1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studioway Here at Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,640 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:16,440 me Rick weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, today, Stacey, 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,600 we're going to talk about things we learned in the 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,960 past growing season. The growing season is winding down. It's 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,480 always good to look back and see what we learned 7 00:00:26,679 --> 00:00:30,519 this year. I know I learned a lot and running 8 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:33,159 down that list is a good idea. So we'll do 9 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:36,439 kind of a speed round, so to speak. As a 10 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:39,000 matter of fact, this past year, that's one thing we learned. 11 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,119 We enjoy doing the speed round things, so we'll kind 12 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:44,200 of do a speed round on some of the things 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,640 that we learned. And one of the things that hit 14 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:49,079 me between the eyes this past year is that all 15 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:52,479 of us have learned that drought and heat are wearing. 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,960 They wear on you, and it's a good reason for 17 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:00,920 genetics and cultivars that are drought and heat resistant. With 18 00:01:01,119 --> 00:01:04,280 annuals as an example. I'm looking forward to the super 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,439 Lofus sunglow Onethera, the Texas primrose that's going. 20 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: To be featured next year. 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: It thrives in hot, arid, sunny conditions one hundred degree weather, 22 00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:20,239 you don't have to water the plant as much. Even 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,200 warm humid climates like our Michigan summers here it should 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,519 be able to handle it well. 25 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:29,719 Speaker 2: So these are the types of things that we learn. 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Or for example, one thing that really hit me this 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,680 past year is the fact that we like plants that 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,560 change color throughout the season little lime punch hydranger or 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,599 Gatsby oak leaf hydrangee or spireeas how they look in 30 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:50,400 spring and begin to look in summer. Super Bell's Magic 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:58,920 double grapefruit double Calibricoa, supercalifragilistic xbili dos. But again, plants 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,920 that kind of change their look over the course of 33 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:03,280 the year. 34 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: We're finding people like that. 35 00:02:05,239 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's gardening is inherently dynamic, but it 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,280 is also really fun when you get to see those 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,599 changes unfold in a way that is very noticeable. I mean, 38 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:16,960 of course, you know, at this time of year, I'm 39 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,800 always thinking like, wow, can you remember what this vegetable 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,639 garden looked like the day you planted it? And it 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,960 was just like, you know, flat, and there was like nothing, 42 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,360 And now you know, you've got eight foot tall tomatoes 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,680 and your dodge and your zinias to try to get 44 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:33,719 in there. But yeah, so it worked. You know, obviously 45 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:35,680 we always see that change, but over the course of 46 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:37,639 the season, and these types of plants you see over 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,039 the course of you know, days or weeks. 48 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:40,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 49 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I put a tiny seed of hyacinth being in 50 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,680 the ground. I was just looking at it yesterday. I 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:48,319 measured it. 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: The thing is eight feet tall and fifteen feet across. 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing, unbelievable. So yeah, no, that's one of 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:55,520 your favorites. 55 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: Yes, it is, Stacy. 56 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: This past year we learned there is still a demand 57 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,479 for big plants. We did a show on that and 58 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,599 you pointed out and I thought this was brilliant. Some 59 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,439 plants should be purchased in a larger size to start. 60 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,560 In other words, certain plants you're better off investing in 61 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:15,439 size up front. 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 3: That is definitely one of my biggest learnings from this year. Now, 63 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,199 I have to say, for our listeners who may not 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,280 be aware, if you love free plants, you owe yourself 65 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,680 the favor of working in the industry. You can be 66 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:31,840 an accountant, you can be a lawyer, you can be anything. 67 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:34,919 But if you can get a job in the industry, 68 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,960 whether that's at a garden center or a greenhouse or 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,080 a wholesale grower or whatever, you will get free plants 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,840 as a benefit of the job. And this is a 71 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,599 benefit of the job that I have enjoyed my whole career, 72 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:46,520 and I love it and I'm very grateful for it. 73 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,439 But what it also means is you often get very 74 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:52,759 small plants, not bigger plants, you know, like you're going 75 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:55,599 to go and buy at the garden center. And because 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,240 I do kind of want to be fairly hands off, 77 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:00,879 I've lost a lot of play that's that way, And 78 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:02,479 you know, I've kind of just been like an easy come, 79 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,120 easy go kind of situation. But you know, I love 80 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:08,719 ice plants, and I've been trying to get ice plants 81 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,280 established for so long, and I'd always started with little 82 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,680 one cord plants or sometimes even plugs, if you know, 83 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:16,639 someone was just getting rid of a bunch of them 84 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,360 from from something or another and I couldn't get them established, 85 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,480 and I kept thinking, gosh, I have the perfect conditions. 86 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,360 I don't know, I don't understand what I am doing wrong. 87 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,759 I guess maybe the snow is piling up and staying 88 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,639 wet too long into you know, late winter early spring 89 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,519 is kind of like making up all of these reasons 90 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:35,680 in my head. And then I got one gallons last 91 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:39,360 fall of the new Kaleidoscope Dellas Berma for Improven Winter's Perennials, 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000 and I am a changed woman, I tell you, because 93 00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:49,680 they have almost completely filled in like a lawn, even 94 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:54,199 despite being fall planted. And they are they are gorgeous. 95 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,399 They were absolutely amazing when they were blooming their main 96 00:04:57,439 --> 00:04:59,480 bloom time in late spring early summer. But then they've 97 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,680 continued to flower and I've just really realized what a 98 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:06,720 difference it makes to start with those larger plants. And 99 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:09,279 you know, it really saved me this year because of 100 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,120 course no one had any idea it was going to 101 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,000 be so dry. And you know, when you start like 102 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,439 when plants are dry, plants aren't getting enough water, they shrink, 103 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,839 and so it kind of happens often, like especially perennials, 104 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,319 they just keep getting smaller and smaller. So sometimes it 105 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,360 can happen without you really knowing it. So it really 106 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:30,279 helps to have that bigger plant to help it withstand 107 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,879 the challenges of a hot, dry season to get established. 108 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you need a bigger plant. Sometimes you need 109 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,879 a better cultivar. That's why I believe that Stacy's segment 110 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:44,199 on Plants on Trial is so important. We've all learned 111 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:47,439 so much throughout this past year on the plants that 112 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,439 you've introduced to us. A lot of people I find 113 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,240 in the garden center industry, working in the garden center 114 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,000 industry buy plants like they'd buy a lottery ticket. You 115 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:01,680 know it ain't gonna work, but you go back for more. 116 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,959 Speaker 3: It's all about the optimism. 117 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:03,639 Speaker 2: I see that. 118 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:05,439 Speaker 3: You know I've done that. 119 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want people to be optimistic and to 120 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,720 try new plants, and we have found That's another thing 121 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:15,720 I found this past year is consumers are far more 122 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:20,560 aggressive and trying new plants when they're shopping online than 123 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,120 in a store. So very interesting, and of course we 124 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,000 make lots of new friends over the course of the year. 125 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:31,800 For me, my new friends from this past summer Emerald 126 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:37,000 Isle Alocasia, A sonic bloom. Why do I love that shrub? 127 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: It is a great white deal. It's a reblooming wigela. 128 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,120 Because who wants a whitela that only blooms for a 129 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,759 few weeks? You can have one that booms all summer. 130 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,639 Speaker 2: I love that thing. 131 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: Mystic illusion dais and has the dark foliage Yausa. 132 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:53,959 Speaker 3: That is a plant that when anyone sees it there 133 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,879 like what is that? Where have you been all my life? 134 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: Exactly? 135 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: And it is so beautiful and such a unique color 136 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:03,040 it is. Unfortunately it's a little hard to find. I'm 137 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:04,560 surprised more garden centers to carry it. 138 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,279 Speaker 1: Really true luscious lantana and wicked witch colias. I have 139 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,959 some pictures for our YouTube viewers from my garden two 140 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:16,759 can cannas. Of course I love canas. I'm not going 141 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:19,000 to elaborate on it, but if you want a thriller 142 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,399 for your containers, the two can cannas. They bloom all summer. 143 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:29,120 They're heat tolerant, they love heat and humidity. They're adaptable, 144 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,560 they can take damp conditions, they can take dry conditions, 145 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,519 not real water needy. That's a plant that I just 146 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,720 fell in love with this. 147 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: Passage and those are smaller, so there are more sup Yeah. 148 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: They're not as large as let's say, the President Canada, right. 149 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:44,879 Speaker 3: Right, or what. I'm really glad you mentioned the lantana, 150 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,279 and I absolutely loved the combination that you did in 151 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:49,480 that bright yellow pot I love, love, love that bright 152 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,439 yellow pot, so don't be surprised if I stopped by 153 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:55,519 and if you find it missing. But I also had 154 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,360 and I grow alantana often. I mean I typically grow 155 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:02,439 a couple because I like those hot colors. But this year, 156 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,720 I my lantana got so many hummingbirds. Yeah, and I 157 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:09,839 mean they've always liked it, but I feel like it 158 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,279 was a truly sustaining plant for them this year, and 159 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:14,399 that was absolutely delightful. 160 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. 161 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,639 Speaker 1: One thing I learned is you need to add organic 162 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,560 matter to your landscape, but sometimes you have to add 163 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,759 doesn't matter. In other words, don't. 164 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: Take yourself so seriously, have some fun, take some chance. 165 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was the conditions here? 166 00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:35,039 Speaker 2: Oh? 167 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,799 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, for example, my banana tree, you know, 168 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:40,840 everybody told me it won't work, and it was miraculous, 169 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:41,960 so you know. 170 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a shrug off the haters for sure. 171 00:08:44,519 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 172 00:08:44,919 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: And you know that's the thing about gardening is I 173 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:52,399 really try not to be overly prescriptive, you know, when 174 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,679 you want to encourage people to try things, because that 175 00:08:55,799 --> 00:08:58,440 is how you learn, is by trying. You just have 176 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,120 to be sure you're taking a measured risk. And you 177 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:01,519 know what you're getting into. Because if you know you 178 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,919 spent two hundred dollars on that banana plant, yep, that 179 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,799 would be maybe a different story and you would be 180 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,159 a little bit like more reluctant. But you got to 181 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,360 know all the conditions and then you make a decision 182 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,720 based on the information that you have. 183 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:12,879 Speaker 2: It's all relative. 184 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: This past year, we did a controversial show that you 185 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,000 either loved or did not like. We heard about it. 186 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,240 We did an episode called Plants We Hate, currently forty 187 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,840 nine hundred and eight views. We did that back in March. 188 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,240 For example, someone said to me, because I do not 189 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:36,320 like ivy geraniums, this individual sent me a note saying 190 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,919 I'm planting some this year just to make you cringely. 191 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,080 So I've got the always learning Lima Rick The continued 192 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,720 Adventures of Old Ned. 193 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,519 Speaker 2: You don't know what you don't know. I had a 194 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,759 friend who always told me that you don't know what 195 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:52,360 you don't know. 196 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:57,399 Speaker 1: Old Ned encourages goutweed to grow, feeds his chameleon plants 197 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:01,759 with guano. He carefully pampers them both, accepts compliments on 198 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:02,440 their growth. 199 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: You don't know what you don't know. 200 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,919 Speaker 1: He nurtures his diaper, daililies, his marigolds give me the willies. 201 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,360 Shouldn't I say something? Bite my tongue, keep stomaching what 202 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,039 I know has become my achilles. Should I hack back 203 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,960 his plants with a saber? Or, in my opinion, be labor. 204 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,039 Just let them have fun while I sip on some rum, 205 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:28,200 wave and smile and. 206 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: Be a good neighbor. 207 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:34,919 Speaker 1: Plants on Trial is next here on the Gardening Simplified Ship. 208 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:44,639 Speaker 3: Beautify your home and community with proven Winter's Color Choice Shrubs. 209 00:10:44,759 --> 00:10:47,399 With over three hundred and twenty five unique varieties to 210 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,840 choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for every taste 211 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:53,879 and every space. Just look for the distinctive white container 212 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,639 your local garden center or learn more at proven Winner's 213 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back 214 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,759 to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are talking about 215 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:08,480 everything that we learned in this growing season. Now, normally 216 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,200 this is the kind of show that you would do 217 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:14,000 somewhere around late December early January when people tend to 218 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:17,480 look back on the prior year. But we figured, you know, 219 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,799 if you're looking back on the gardening year, it's probably 220 00:11:19,799 --> 00:11:22,879 better to do it more in the you know, November 221 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,720 timeframe where the gardening season is still somewhat fresh in 222 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:28,720 your mind, because I can tell you by the time 223 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,240 late December rolls around, I will be forgetting a lot 224 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,559 of what I'm thinking actively about now is I still 225 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,679 look around my garden and things are starting to go 226 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:39,840 dormant now. I think that one of the things that 227 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:45,679 I like the most about gardening is that even if 228 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,320 you have the same plants in your garden, even if 229 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,399 you never had any new plants in your garden, which 230 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,639 who does that? Because you know, there's always something cool 231 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,840 to add, or you scoop up a good deal, or 232 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:57,799 someone a friend gives you a plant that they divided. 233 00:11:57,799 --> 00:11:59,320 There's just so many ways. 234 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: There's more for jello and plants. 235 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,279 Speaker 3: Yes, and you know you can always switch something out. 236 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,840 But even if you keep the exact same plants in 237 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,720 your yard, every single season is so different that there's 238 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,679 always something to learn as long as you're out there 239 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,440 observing and engaging with your plants. And as much as 240 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:25,679 I personally bristle at the idea of drought, because I it's, 241 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,720 first of all, it's just stressful. It's stressful on the plants. 242 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,919 It's stressful on the people. Everything gets so dusty, you know, 243 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,000 plants start looking stressed. It's one thing if your garden 244 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,840 looks stress, it's another. I feel like driving down the 245 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:37,879 highway and all the trees look stressed. You start to 246 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:42,039 feel really super stressed then as well. And this has 247 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,320 been just an extremely extremely dry year for pretty much 248 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,679 all of Michigan as well as basically through the entire 249 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:55,039 Upper Midwest. I know Indiana, Ohio are also experiencing similar conditions. 250 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,759 In fact, here in Michigan we are at a near 251 00:12:57,879 --> 00:13:02,039 historic low for our soil moist Sure, hopefully recent rains 252 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,440 are going to do something to help that, but you know, 253 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,360 it's a little rain can't erase you know, one hundred 254 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:11,840 plus year drought. It's not really going to do it. 255 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:15,320 So it's been a real learning opportunity. And even though 256 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,679 that the drought causes difficulty, it also provides opportunity. And 257 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,159 you really, if you look at it right, you can 258 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,759 find that ability to really learn more about your plants 259 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,480 and how you garden. It is an opportunity certainly where 260 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,279 my propensity for close spacing can definitely work in my 261 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:39,679 favor because the plants kind of function as a mulch 262 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,159 for one another and can help to shade that soil 263 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,399 and then things don't grow as much, so they don't 264 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:47,279 look like they're all, you know, trying to compete for 265 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,159 garden space. But it's a learning opportunity for sure. Now 266 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,879 I do work in my garden, even in a non 267 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,240 drought year, to not water anything except my containers, my 268 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,799 ventshiable garden, and anything new were transplanted. I know, it's 269 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,960 a little bit scary. Well, it's not scary to me. 270 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,600 I mean, I don't have a lot anymore, so I 271 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:09,559 don't have to worry about the lawn looking terrible. But 272 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:12,360 I try to choose plants that, yeah, once they're established, 273 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,159 they'll at least survive. Now, I will say I have 274 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,559 some plants that definitely get very stressed if they aren't 275 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,679 getting supplemental water when it is very hot and dry. 276 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,720 But they do live, you know, they do live. They 277 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:25,720 might shut down early, but but I'm not you know, 278 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,360 I don't want to waste a bunch of water. I 279 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:29,399 live in the city, so I have city water, and 280 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,639 so it's expensive. And yes, this year, because I have 281 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:35,879 done so much work in my garden, the water bills 282 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,320 were a little bit alarming, but it's worth it. It's 283 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,240 an investment in the future to water your new stuff 284 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:46,039 and make sure that it that it lasts for the 285 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,440 long term. So I wanted to share for Today's Plants 286 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,159 on Trial my observations on some of the proven winter's 287 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:57,240 color choice shrubs in my garden and how the drought 288 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,639 year has impacted them. Okay, now I do want to 289 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:03,320 say that pretty much everything I'm going to share, I 290 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,000 don't know how much time I will have to get to. 291 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:09,120 Everything is established in my garden. So when I say 292 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,120 that a plant is established, that basically means that it should, 293 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,039 in theory, be able to handle it life on its 294 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:20,440 own without supplemental water. Although what often happens is if 295 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,200 you do have a very dry and hot season like 296 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,919 we did this year, they do start looking stressed. You know, yes, 297 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,799 they will live, but you're kind of like, oh, I 298 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:29,960 can't even I'm just gonna water it because I can't 299 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,519 handle looking at this thing looking that sad. Because it 300 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,480 is normal to presume that there will be some rainfall 301 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:38,000 each year, not like this show. I mean, I think 302 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,600 we've gone whole thirty plus day periods without oh, yeah, 303 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:42,759 a drop of rain this sem. 304 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: When they mope, I just can't handle it. 305 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:51,519 Speaker 3: I just turned my chair in another direction. So anyway, 306 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:53,720 I wanted to share some of the plants. Again. Bear 307 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:56,279 in mind as I'm talking about these, that they are established, 308 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:57,919 which is to say that they've been in the ground 309 00:15:57,919 --> 00:16:00,440 for a good two or three years, and that I 310 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,480 I was giving them water in that first year or 311 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:06,919 two after they were either moved or planted, because you 312 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,200 have to again invest in that good start so that 313 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,240 they can give you that performance going forward. Now, the 314 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,279 first one I'm gonna talk about is Alminho chatalpa. We 315 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:18,080 were actually just talking about this on the show the 316 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,919 other day, but I wanted to bring it up again 317 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,399 in this context. Drought is good for this plant. I 318 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,320 would say drought is really good for this plant, because 319 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,559 mine reached about so it send its third year. It 320 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,440 did reach about ten feet tall, but stayed pretty narrow. 321 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,679 And the plants that were here at the office at 322 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,799 Studio A on rep irrigation, you know, throughout the season, 323 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:45,679 are huge. They're gigantic. They are probably fifteen feet tall 324 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,000 and ten feet wide. So the droughtiness really helped to 325 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,159 keep this plant in check. And keep it smaller. And 326 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,240 I will also say that the plants here are also 327 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:57,320 in full sun as much as mine is at home, 328 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,679 and my planet home has flowered so much more than 329 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,640 the ones here. And I do think that. I mean, 330 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,720 there are some plants that do flower better if they 331 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,279 aren't in a situation where they've got everything they need. 332 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: We did that for years in the garden center industry 333 00:17:14,519 --> 00:17:16,759 when we weren't using growth regulators. 334 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:18,599 Speaker 2: We just hold back on the water. 335 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: Put it under a little stress, you know, impatients. While 336 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,119 the ariana are a great example. Put them under a 337 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,799 little stress and they would bloom more because the plants 338 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,720 thinking I got to produce flowers and seed, I'm gonna 339 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:31,200 die here. 340 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: I need future generation and nay. 341 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: Win win less water for you and more flowers for 342 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,519 everybody else. So alnino drought is actually a good thing. 343 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,759 If you have an alnino and it's getting unruly, it's 344 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:45,599 not flowering enough, cut back the water if that means, 345 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,799 you know, adjusting a sprinkler head or whatever. This is 346 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:51,880 a plant that will absolutely thrive and look and do 347 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,559 its best in droughty conditions. So yay on that, now, boxwood, 348 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,279 I grow a lot of boxwood because I have a 349 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:02,039 lot of deer and it's just to me, it's a 350 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:05,119 no brainer plant. It looks great, it's always it looks 351 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,880 good with any style of home, any style of landscape. 352 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,240 And what I have really learned growing boxwood in the 353 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:15,400 driest year that I have gardened in this property is 354 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,039 that if you have boxwood in full sun, it needs water. Now. 355 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:23,359 My boxwood in shade could easily withstand this drought the 356 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,599 established ones without any problem. But the ones that were 357 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:31,720 in sun, they were looking pretty stress kind of that bronzy, 358 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,400 crispy look. It's not pretty now. The ones that I grow, 359 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,039 I grow sprinter, which is our fast growing boxwood. And 360 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,960 I also planted some new gen Freedom boxwood, which are 361 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,160 new proven winners boxwood for twenty twenty six. Now those 362 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,079 were brand new plants, so I can't speak to them 363 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,039 yet because since they were brand new, I was watering 364 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:53,920 them to help them get established. But certainly on sprinter, 365 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,200 though they can tolerate sun, you want to make sure 366 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,880 they're getting sufficient water if they are in sun. Now. 367 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,880 The real champ this year, while at least tied with 368 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,640 the El Nino Gatsby pink oak leaf hydrangea. Now, there 369 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,279 is no universe where I would ever say to people 370 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,119 hydrangees are drought tolerant, don't worry about it. But if 371 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,599 I was going to say, if a hydrangea seems to 372 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,039 show any signs of drought tolerance, it is at least 373 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:20,160 gets to be pink, if not all oak leaf hydrangeas. 374 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,119 This is the only one that I have. But this, 375 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,559 despite the drought and the heat, this plant acted like 376 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,359 it was just a totally normal season and all of 377 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,000 its needs were met. It flowered perfectly fine. The flowers 378 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:37,400 turned a beautiful pink shortly after blooming, and that pink 379 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,400 persisted a normal amount of time like I would expect 380 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,799 it to, despite the fact that it wasn't getting any 381 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:46,279 supplemental water. And I have probably five of them throughout 382 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:49,319 the garden. Interesting, and right now it's taking on beautiful 383 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,559 fall color like nothing else was wrong with it. And 384 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:55,000 it's just so interesting to see a plant that you 385 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:58,079 associate with really high water needs just being like, no, 386 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,240 I'm good, this is you know, do this. And if 387 00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:03,160 anyone is wondering how I do manage to grow oak 388 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,960 leaf hydrange is when I have so many deer, the 389 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,359 answer is very simple. They have reached a size that 390 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,640 the deer can't reach all of them. So I have 391 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,319 as much Gatsby Pink hydrange as the deer can't reach. 392 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,759 And it is a big plant. So some of the newer, 393 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:19,559 smaller varieties, like our new Gatsby Glowball that reach only 394 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:21,519 about three feet tall and wide, that probably would not 395 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:24,440 work in my yard. But the bigger old, you know, 396 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:27,319 older types like Gatsby Pink that reach you know, eight 397 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,480 plus feet tall, no problem whatsoever. Now Kodiak dur villa 398 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,119 is not a plant that I would consider to be 399 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,519 drought tolerant, at least not for us. And this is 400 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:41,519 also really important. Now I had Kodiak darvilla's, I had 401 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:45,640 Kodiak orange and Kodiak black, and yeah, this season, without 402 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,519 supplement and water, they were not looking their best. Let's say, 403 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,039 and again bear in mind that we have very very dry, 404 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,759 sandy soil here. I think that they could probably withstand 405 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:59,079 drought and dry conditions much better on the east side 406 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:00,599 of the state, or the soil are going to be 407 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,440 more clay and naturally hold on to some moistures or 408 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,960 some moisture. But here the really dry soil and the 409 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:11,720 lack of rain had them not looking their best, so 410 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,799 I replaced those with something that does tolerate that. But 411 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,880 again that's a situation between you know, looking at where 412 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,880 it is native to, like up north in Macina Island, 413 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:26,599 where I've seen it pretty abundantly, you know it can 414 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,920 tolerate the drought in those conditions, but it can't tolerate 415 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,079 drought and already very very dry, well drained soil. So 416 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:36,839 that's just a look at some of my results that 417 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,039 I learned this year. 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Greetings 428 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:23,079 gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show 429 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:26,759 where we're talking about what we learned in our gardens 430 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:28,359 this year. And I just told you how some of 431 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,920 the proven Winner's color Choice shrubs in my garden performed 432 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:38,000 despite the drought and hot, dry, persistent conditions. But if 433 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:39,920 you're dealing with a problem in your garden and you 434 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,960 need some advice, you can always reach out to us 435 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,119 and we will be happy to help. You can just 436 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,720 go to Gardening Simplified on air dot com. There is 437 00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:49,359 a contact form there, or we have a comment on 438 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:52,720 our YouTube version. We read all of those and sometimes 439 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,680 we if it needs an answer, the Nader Animal pass 440 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,720 that on to us. So lots of easy ways to 441 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,920 get in touch with us. And if you don't have 442 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,400 a question, you just have a comment or looking for 443 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,559 some like minded horticulturists to celebrate something with. You can 444 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:10,400 also reach out to us. And a listener, Nancy wrote 445 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,319 to us with a counterpoint to some recent discussion that 446 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:17,319 we have had that I thought I would share with 447 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,599 our listeners. She says, please correct your advice to shred 448 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,240 the leaves. Environmentalists say, do not shred them. Bring it 449 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:28,359 up for pollinators. It's much better to leave your leaves 450 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,920 hole rather than shredding them. Shredding them can kill or 451 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,759 harm overwintering insects, eggs, larva, and cocoons that are hiding 452 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:38,519 within the leaf litter. Leaving them intact provides crucial habitat 453 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,720 and insulation for a variety of pollinators and other beneficial 454 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,400 insects during the winter. So if you shred them, that 455 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:51,119 would kill any of those insect life stages that are present. 456 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,039 Beyond just leaving the leaves that fall from the trees, 457 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,759 many insects do use hollow stems as nesting sites, like 458 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,759 your perennials and that kind of thing. Keeping those in 459 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,000 place up until spring when the temperature is pretty much 460 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:11,079 consistently in the fifties helps to protect cavity nesting bees 461 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,559 like mason bees. Everyone thinks it's about honey bees, but no, 462 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,920 it's about our native bees, like our mason bees, and 463 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,359 there's so so many of them. So I thought that 464 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,440 was an interesting counterpoint, because yes, there is this big 465 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,960 movement you see it, especially going around right now when 466 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,240 leaves are very much an issue, to leave the leaves, 467 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,960 And I think there's kind of two ways to look 468 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,240 at this. You know, you can leave those leaves in 469 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:38,279 place like your bed, your garden beds. Landscape beds should 470 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:41,599 not look like your clean kitchen floor. They should have 471 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:47,079 stuff in them because that is nature's way of protecting 472 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,039 plants and recycling nutrients. So that's really no problem. But 473 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,240 you know, last week, Rick, you were talking about cutting 474 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,400 leaves in the lawn, and that is a bit of 475 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,160 a different situation as well. You know, we've certainly seen here, 476 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,880 like with some of our shrubs, especially Ita, that we 477 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,400 often get moth cocoons on them. So that's not something 478 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,680 that you would want to, you know, thoroughly clean up. 479 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,720 So you know, I think this is kind of a 480 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,119 splitting the difference type of thing. 481 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,279 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I think splitting the difference as far 482 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:23,640 as seasons is concerned. Also, I would say to these 483 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:28,839 environmentalists that I have taken the whole leaves tilled them 484 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,599 into my garden, and I would think that they'd be 485 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:37,759 happy that I'm using natural organic material putting these whole 486 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,599 leaves into my vegetable garden. The following spring, when I 487 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,119 start to dig, they're still intact. 488 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and. 489 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,319 Speaker 1: That's part of the reason that I shred them. Now, 490 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,960 I would agree with the comment here. I don't think 491 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,799 it's a matter of correction. I think it's a matter 492 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,799 of timing. In other words, in fall, when they have 493 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,279 just fallen off. 494 00:25:58,079 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: The lead off the trees. 495 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: If I shred them at that point, use them as malt, 496 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,640 use them in my compost, that's great. If I'm out 497 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,599 there in spring collecting up these leaves and shredding them, 498 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,279 that's a whole other matter. So that's basically my approach 499 00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:14,160 to this whole issue. 500 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 3: Well, and you have a lawn, and if you aren't 501 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,279 taking care of the leaves on your lawn, you're not 502 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,240 going to have a lawn for very long because they 503 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:23,759 can absolutely. 504 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,519 Speaker 1: You know, completely mate down the lawn. And so that's 505 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,119 for folks you know, I have very little grass left. 506 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,880 But for folks who have an extensive lawn, you bet 507 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,240 grinding up those leaves and define pieces. 508 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:37,519 Speaker 2: There's many studies that. 509 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: Have been done on that that have determined that it's 510 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,079 not going to affect your lawn. But if you leave 511 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,400 those whole leaves on the lawn, it is certainly going 512 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,200 to mate down the lawn, create snow, mold problems, all 513 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:48,839 kinds of issues. 514 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: One of the reasons I no longer have a lawn. 515 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,720 But certainly if you can leave the leaves in your beds, 516 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,839 by all means do. It is good for insects, it's 517 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,400 good for plants, and it's less work. So yeah, win win, 518 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:00,799 all right, What do we got? 519 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,799 Speaker 2: Tammy writes to us. 520 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,079 Speaker 1: I live just outside of Omaha, Nebraska, zone five B. 521 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,799 Two years ago I purchased three Chardonnay pearls dutsia. They 522 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,000 are planted in full sun on the south side of 523 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,799 our house. I have never grown dutzia before, or even 524 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,400 seen it in a landscape, but I don't think it 525 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,359 looks very happy. The leaves are brown and crispy at 526 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,039 the edges. Do I need to move it to shade? 527 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,599 Is it not getting enough water? Too much water? I'd 528 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:28,799 love to move it this fall if that's what it needs. 529 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,160 Any advice you could give would be greatly appreciated. 530 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,279 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I enjoy watching your show and 531 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,039 learned so. 532 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,799 Speaker 3: Much so Shardenay pearls dutsia, if you're not familiar with 533 00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:44,200 that particular variety, is a yellow leafed juticia. That's where 534 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,880 the shardonay part comes in, and the pearls from the 535 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,000 flowers because they do start is these really lovely round 536 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,920 buds and then open to these very pretty five pedaled flowers. 537 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,400 Beautiful and dutsia by and large, if you were just 538 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,640 talking about our other varieties like Yuki snowflake or Yuki 539 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,119 cherry blossom are definitely full sun plants. But because Chardonnay 540 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,119 pearls has these yellow leaves, that yellow foliage generally indicates 541 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,279 an absence of chlorophyll, not in absence, a lower amount 542 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,799 of regular green chlorophyll has been displaced by these yellow 543 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,960 pigments chlorophyll. One way that you can think of it 544 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,160 is essentially sunscreen for plants. So without that sunscreen, yellow 545 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,960 leafed plants are generally very much more susceptible to burning 546 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,559 in the sun than their green counterparts. And you know, Tammy, 547 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,799 you say they're in full sun and the south side 548 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,680 of the house that is kind of a perfect storm 549 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:42,359 of hot bright combination reflection from the house as well. 550 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,839 So yeah, I think that if you move them they 551 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,880 will be just fine. If you can move them to 552 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,279 a place where they are shaded during the hottest part 553 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,920 of the day, so in the afternoon, or where they 554 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,319 get that kind of beautiful light filtered shade all day long. 555 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,359 They will be so much happier. You won't get that burning. 556 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000 But if you do like the idea of a Dutzia there, 557 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,440 if that worked overall, you can absolutely replace them with 558 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,160 an all green leafed variety and they would do just 559 00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:11,319 fine in that full sun. So this is kind of 560 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,599 a little bit of nuance there, you know, just to 561 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,279 keep in mind. And water can help a little bit 562 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,920 for plants that are getting too much sun if you 563 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,240 provide supplemental water, which you know is something I just 564 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,319 addressed in Plants on Trial. But really I've found when 565 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,039 it comes to these yellow leafed varieties, they just they're 566 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,319 just going to be more likely to burn simply because 567 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:33,720 they have less green chlorophylls. 568 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: So I agree. 569 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: Karen asked us I purchased Estheti as she Goes Guardina 570 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,519 and had it in a container on my deck all summer. 571 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,119 As I am in Zone seven A, I'm considering over 572 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,839 wintering it in my unheated three seasons room. My question 573 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,599 is how low a temperature can this shrub would stand? 574 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: So interesting question, and if you weren't familiar, Seti as 575 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,240 She Goes Guardinia is a reblooming g Ardinia basically blooms 576 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,680 all summer long, so an excellent choice for people who 577 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,759 aren't satisfied with just that brief spring bloom of a guardina. 578 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,599 We do sell this as hardy down to USDA Zone seven, 579 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,839 which does include you there, Karen, in USDA Zone seven A. 580 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,880 But I wanted to answer this question today as people 581 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,279 think about, you know, what to do with plants with 582 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:27,160 winter coming on. It's not. It's a real shortcoming of 583 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,119 the hardiness zone system that all it does is address 584 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,200 the lowest temperature that an area will typically receive, and 585 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,720 not how long that lasts, because in that way, not 586 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,119 all Zone seven a's are created equal, just as the 587 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,920 same where exactly. So the issue is, so it can 588 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,920 withstand zero degrees fahrenheit, that is what it means to 589 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,200 be in USDA Zone seven A. It can go down 590 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,960 to zero degrees fahrenheit and it will live the question 591 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:57,039 how long will it be zero degrees fahrenheit? And in 592 00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,759 some areas of Zone A you can have very cold 593 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,039 night where that temperature persists for hours. In some areas 594 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,759 of zone seven eight you might just kind of dip 595 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:11,039 into it briefly for a brief time and then it's fine. 596 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,279 So I think that you don't know if it's if 597 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,880 it's small, and if it's very new, go ahead and 598 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,839 put it on your unheeded sunroom, keep watering it. But 599 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,480 I would consider putting it in the landscape starting in spring. 600 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,119 That'll give it a nice long season to grow roots 601 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,559 into its new home. But if you do feel like 602 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:31,759 you are in one of those usdas on seven a's 603 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,119 where you're going towards zero for very very long periods, 604 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,920 and or it's coupled with wind. Since gardenia is a 605 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,079 broad leaf, evergreen and is very likely to suffer from 606 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,079 you know, desiccation from the wind and the sign and 607 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:48,680 all of that, then you just need to consider that 608 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,799 in your sighting. But you know, overall, many many people 609 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,400 wish that they could just grow a gardenia inside in 610 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,440 winter and then put it back out because I mean, 611 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,599 they're so beautiful. The fragrance really is amazing. And they're 612 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,279 working on hardier and hardier guardinas, but they're not quite 613 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,039 there yet. So again, I think you should be okay 614 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,440 to have it outdoors in seven but at this point 615 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,680 in the season, I probably would not just go for 616 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,799 putting it straight away into the ground, just in case 617 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:21,079 you have a rough winter. All right, So thank you 618 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640 all so much for your comments and questions, and we're 619 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,960 going to take a little break. When we come back, 620 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,720 we're talking a little bit more about what we learned 621 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:35,839 this season. Fifty teams, thanks for listening to the Gardening 622 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,440 Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. 623 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:42,400 Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and 624 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,599 tested by experts with your success in mind. Learn more 625 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,319 at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 626 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Okay, some reminders 627 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,480 on things that we've learned this past year. For example, 628 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:59,920 how important branch structure and structures are in the garden, 629 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,319 especially in the wintertime. The importance of repetition in your landscape. 630 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,799 Some repetition to make it a pleasing environment to your eye. Stacy, 631 00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:14,960 you reminded us that it's okay to evict losers from 632 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,200 your garden. 633 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,519 Speaker 3: Or plants you don't like. How ill you losers? I mean, 634 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,680 you know, Okay, I agree. 635 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,279 Speaker 1: If you haven't been there, add chant to clear gardens 636 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,960 to your list of places to visit. Our Lightning round 637 00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:35,960 is fun. How important the season of fall is interest 638 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:40,680 in architectural follies and backdrops. As a matter of fact, 639 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:43,640 I loved the comment from a listener. We talked about 640 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,759 the architectural follies building something in your landscape, and I've 641 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:51,480 been busy doing that and building a pergola. And this 642 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,559 person wrote in she said, wait until I tell the 643 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,559 better half we have to build a folly. He might 644 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,279 shut off our internet after this. I love that the 645 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,079 number of Zone three and four people that we have 646 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,400 listening to the show. We love our Canadian friends. One 647 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:18,119 of the most hated landscape chores is removing sod because 648 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,719 grass grows best where you wish it. 649 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 3: Wouldn't amen to that. I didn't learn that this year, 650 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,360 but it's a hard lesson I've been learning my whole life. 651 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,679 Speaker 1: We need to plan for rejuvenation at the end of summer. 652 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,920 We need to look at a plant's native gardening habitat. 653 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,440 In other words, not the country or region where it 654 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,440 comes from, but the conditions. Take a look at the habitat, 655 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,679 and you know the plant's usual or preferred surroundings, not 656 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,519 where geographically it's native to, but rather it's environment. It's 657 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:56,119 very helpful for you we learn that. I say lilac's funny. 658 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,719 But then we learned it depends on where in the 659 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,039 country you are and how you pronounced lilacs or lilacs 660 00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:06,599 or whatever. It may be the same thing with clematis 661 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,599 or clematis contingent on the region of country of the 662 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:11,599 country that you live in. 663 00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 3: Yes, that's a regional thing. 664 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a regional thing. 665 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: And we also learned that the least favorite paint color 666 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:26,480 is radiant lilac. How about some personal items. I it 667 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:28,840 felt really good to me that people had interest in 668 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,320 my driftwood collection. We learned from Stacy that daylily blooms 669 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,280 look like diapers. 670 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 3: I think that was a couple of years ago. But 671 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:41,280 my opinion persists. Okay, it's an opinion I have held 672 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,239 for a long time. 673 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: So yeah, other personal items, that the one plant named 674 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,920 after me, lime Ricky, has been retired, just like me, 675 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,039 both of us do not like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. 676 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,519 And evidently we're not alone. I am not alone on 677 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:04,400 my love for five gallon buckets. For critics who say we. 678 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 2: Talk too much, uh, it's a talk radio show. 679 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:08,599 Speaker 3: Someone said that. 680 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all. 681 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:14,199 Speaker 3: Right, well we'll give you, you know, silent section where 682 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:15,960 you can just hear the plants blowing in the wind. 683 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,159 Speaker 1: Moment of silence, or we could dance or sing or 684 00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:22,519 something like that. For years when I did live radio, 685 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,079 my live radio name was Phill Dirt. I have a 686 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:32,000 new live radio voice, and my name from now on 687 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,920 is going to be Ray King. 688 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 3: Oh that's nice. 689 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,159 Speaker 2: That's my new radio name, ray King. I just like that. 690 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,599 It's a good one short, it's sweet. Ray King. 691 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 3: So, now, was this your first year with your big 692 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,719 banana in the the landscape there? Yeah, so you ordered 693 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,880 it and planted it this year. 694 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,519 Speaker 2: Yes, and this is sho. 695 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: The massive right, and I've had them before, but this 696 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,280 is the first year for this banana tree. And so 697 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,920 I'll have you follow along with the process where we 698 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:05,920 mulch it heavily this winter when it freezes and it 699 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,519 goes to mush and looks really scary, I'll send some pictures. 700 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,119 Speaker 2: Then we'll mulch it heavily and then hope next spring 701 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:14,800 that it comes up. 702 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be interesting. I mean, I know plenty 703 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,280 of places in New York that overwintered it when it 704 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,000 first started becoming really really popular. You know a couple, well, 705 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:29,239 a couple decades ago. Now, what was your your favorite 706 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,480 annual that you planted this year. 707 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,519 Speaker 2: Oh it's It's Mystic Collusion. 708 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,679 Speaker 3: Okay, And is this your first year you've grown it? Okay? 709 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,039 Such a great plant. Yeah, that black foliage and yellow 710 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:43,920 flowers so so pretty. You know. I feel like this 711 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,679 was my year where I discovered I'm a zenia person. 712 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 2: And you know, I love zenas. I knew you had 713 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:50,880 it xinya. 714 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,159 Speaker 3: You know, there were always one of those things where 715 00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:55,920 I was like, Okay, yeah, zinyas are cool, but like 716 00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:59,159 I don't need them in my life. But I got 717 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,480 a free packet, had an event, and so I was like, 718 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719 you know, put these in the new vegetable garden. And 719 00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:07,639 even my husband, who was very dubious, why do you 720 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:09,440 putting those in the vegetable guard that could be stuff 721 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,000 where we were growing? Let us, I said, trust me, 722 00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:13,800 you are going to be grateful for these by the 723 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,800 end of the season. And he was a little bit 724 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,639 grumbly about him. But by the end of the season, 725 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,159 he and I had both completely changed our tune. I 726 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,000 will never be without zinnias again in my garden because 727 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,320 I have never in my entire life had a plant 728 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:34,159 that had more butterflies and hummingbirds. I mean, I don't 729 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,119 think that's something that people really highlight enough about that plant. 730 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:40,920 People talk, oh, they're a great cut flower, they're easy. 731 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,000 You know, it's kids stuff. Grow up pot a zinias 732 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:48,800 with your kids or whatever. And it was serious business. 733 00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,639 I mean there were days where we would count ten 734 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,119 or more butterflies on the patch, all different types, and 735 00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,400 they were especially important this year. Another thing I learned, 736 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,400 the latest I have ever had hummingbirds. I had them 737 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440 into October fifteenth. Yes, that was the last time I 738 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,320 saw it. And though there certainly could have been some 739 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,519 that were even later that I just was not home 740 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,199 to see. And you know, by the time that rolled 741 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,599 around other plants that I had other annuals and you know, 742 00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:19,119 flowering shrubs and perennials and so forth in my garden, 743 00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:23,719 they were pretty much done except for the zinnias. So 744 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,239 they were such a crucial food source late in the 745 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,119 season for those butterflies and hummingbirds. In fact, they probably 746 00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,440 still are. I haven't taken them out yet, so the 747 00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,760 hummingbirds fortunately seem to have moved on. I was getting 748 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,719 a little worried there for a bit, but the butterflies 749 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,360 and stuff are still around. If it's warm, they start flying. 750 00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:45,079 And they were California giants, was the variety that I grew. 751 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,039 And they were really nice too because they're really tall. 752 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,119 Speaker 2: Oh they're fantas. 753 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,039 Speaker 3: So I'm this is the year that I will never 754 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:53,800 be without zinias again, because well. 755 00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:55,639 Speaker 2: I agree with that. I have the same thing at home. 756 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,360 Sue loves zenya's. 757 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: Because the other thing about them is they just made 758 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,119 great cut flowers to bring inside. 759 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're just so fun. So I'm trying to 760 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,079 save seed from mine, but I'm not able to collect 761 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,199 much seed, even though this is a variety that should 762 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,239 come true from seed. I theorize it is because there's 763 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,320 another thing that loves my zenias that I didn't mention. 764 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,559 That is the goldfinches. Oh yeah, so I think that 765 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,199 the goldfinches are out there eating all of the seed 766 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,880 before I can get it. So I'm trying to save seed, 767 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:26,840 but I may be made to place another order. 768 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: Well, And if you think. 769 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:32,039 Speaker 1: About it, Xenia's are in their glory in August September, 770 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,199 and that's when goldfinches, I believe, are very active. 771 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,559 Speaker 2: That's their mating period and that sort of thing. 772 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:43,599 Speaker 1: So yeah, we learned deer are a very polarizing topic, 773 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,480 just like my puns, and the people who don't have 774 00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:50,559 deer pressure feel guilty for those who deal with it. 775 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,199 We love creative plant names versus botanical or scientific names. 776 00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,840 The Shrubs of the Year show we had Tim Wood 777 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,360 on and it just reiterated the love of the names 778 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,400 of plants and creative names for plants. People love Midnight 779 00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:14,159 Sun with Jela. I think the listener who upgraded us 780 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:19,639 from Limericks to limb l I mb a ricks, thank 781 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,800 you very mulch for that. How many people are plagued 782 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,039 by chameleon plant? 783 00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:24,679 Speaker 2: That hit me? 784 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,199 Speaker 3: Oh yes, we have been hearing from a lot of people. 785 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,559 Hopefully we stopped some people from actually purchasing it, because 786 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,400 you know, I don't think people really know how bad 787 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,039 it's actually going to be. If Heaven forbid you ever 788 00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:40,599 want to get rid of it, because you will not. 789 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,039 Speaker 2: Like my neighbor who puts miracle grow on them. 790 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,119 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Well, hopefully the dry soil does help 791 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,480 to keep it in check a little bit. It does, Oh, 792 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:52,679 despite their best efforts with fertilizer. You know, it's a 793 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,880 perfectly fine plan. I guess if you are willing to 794 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,400 keep it forever and ever and ever. Yep, and your 795 00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,079 neighbors are. 796 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,039 Speaker 2: Too that don't do it. 797 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: Show was popular a reminder it's better to learn from 798 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,920 other people's mistakes than your own. If you're feeling penned 799 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,679 in Plants in front of a fence makes all the 800 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,800 difference in the world. Perning has always and always will 801 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,000 be a hot topic, so many rules, exceptions, timing principles. 802 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:25,000 Lavender is a misunderstood but much loved plant, just like 803 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:30,199 high ranges. The Overachievers Show was fun and a list 804 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:37,280 of overachieving plants and Paisley pup dog hobble even looks 805 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:37,920 good in winter. 806 00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 2: Yes, all of these. 807 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: Are things that we learned over the course of the year, 808 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,079 and so many more. But I'll tell you what one 809 00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:51,840 of the reasons for this show and I've benefited from 810 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,880 it is. You do learn from other people's mistakes, and 811 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,199 it's better to learn from them than make them yourself. 812 00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,639 Speaker 3: Yes, although you know you can't tell anybody anything really 813 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,400 really sticks until you make that mistake yourself. I've always 814 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,239 found personally, I've heard plenty of other people make mistakes, 815 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,000 and then I'm like, oh, I'll see about that, and 816 00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:10,320 then I try it, and sure enough it didn't work. 817 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920 But you learn by doing, and that's what Horter culture 818 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,800 is all about. 819 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,679 Speaker 1: The end of the day, it's great to go out 820 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,760 in the gardening. I love going outdoors. It beats going 821 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,320 out windows, I can tell you that, Stacey. 822 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 3: It's been fun, it sure has. Thanks. 823 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, Adriana, Thanks to you. 824 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:29,199 Remember our show is available on YouTube, so you can 825 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,719 watch all of the things that we're talking about, and 826 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,920 of course thank you for downloading the podcast and listening 827 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,079 to us on the radio. 828 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 2: Have a great week.