Speaker 1: It's hard even believed that all those circumstances that was
Speaker 1: evolved and you have three big foots and you have
Speaker 1: three different three people on each side all the way
Speaker 1: from that point and then and then the point where
Speaker 1: my sister and her boyfriend decided to go crawling out
Speaker 1: in the grass and then left move there, visualizing just
Speaker 1: two other figures sitting there. I just can't believe the
Speaker 1: hell that even happened. I didn't even see them, and
Speaker 1: they got themselves in that position in the first place,
Speaker 1: those two of the big posts that are sitting there.
Speaker 1: But then the two other brothers, they suggested that we
Speaker 1: just we should go to the police department, Me and
Speaker 1: my brother. We were so soft spoken ourselves anyways, and
Speaker 1: we and like I said, we don't like any confrontational
Speaker 1: type of situation. We don't like going to the police.
Speaker 1: Especially you can go to the police department and you know,
Speaker 1: tell them that we just saw three big foots playing
Speaker 1: in the playground. You know it is this, It ain't
Speaker 1: gonna happen for us.
Speaker 2: Gurtis, thanks for joining me on Bigfoot Crossroads. Yes, take
Speaker 2: us back to nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me start out with I got an
Speaker 1: identical twin brother, so without him being involved. And there's
Speaker 1: other there's also two other individuals that were that witnessed
Speaker 1: the uh these creatures at the same time that I did.
Speaker 1: And there's actually three there's three big poots all together.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So I assume that there there's a there's
Speaker 1: like a family of three, but without them or actually
Speaker 1: the two built. The other two individual were just kids
Speaker 1: that we had met and just and and we have
Speaker 1: since I haven't really kept in touching them anyways. But
Speaker 1: so basically its just me and my brother that can
Speaker 1: verify with each other of what we saw. But anyways,
Speaker 1: so back in eighty three US we were living in
Speaker 1: in the town of gua Rika, California, and that town
Speaker 1: is it's slow cared about ten miles from the Oregon border.
Speaker 1: And it's also since right at the east side, right
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the mountain, but it's right there
Speaker 1: at the the Klamath National Forest. Okay, it's in northern
Speaker 1: California and it's right there along the side of the
Speaker 1: Interstate five. If you know anything about California, there's an
Speaker 1: interstate fight that the five that go that runs all
Speaker 1: way from Mexico all wro up to Canada. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it goes right, it goes right straight up to the
Speaker 1: center of all the you know California, Oregon and uh
Speaker 1: and the Washington right up right to Canada. Uh So,
Speaker 1: anybody's back in w Rica. Like I said, you've got
Speaker 1: the mountains right there, this's the that whole mountain range
Speaker 1: right there just fro way Rica. If you're going west,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just nothing but forested on just thick,
Speaker 1: thick forests. And there's no there's like small communities that
Speaker 1: spread out this whole on this Hordle Mountain Range, but
Speaker 1: there's no towns of any kind that I can remember
Speaker 1: that way. That's all just big, thick forests. And there's
Speaker 1: like just the national force itself right there at Klamatha
Speaker 1: National Forest. That's like one point seven million acres right there.
Speaker 1: But that whole mountain range, there's other it connects with
Speaker 1: other uh you know, national forests and everything. You got
Speaker 1: the Marble Mountains, and you also got the you got
Speaker 1: the Trinity National Forest, and you also have the it's
Speaker 1: there was Six Rivers National Forest, which is also that's
Speaker 1: where the that what you call Bluff Creek, which is
Speaker 1: where the where the Gimblin film. The film site was
Speaker 1: made right there, Bluff Creek. If everybody knows what that
Speaker 1: one is the Patterson.
Speaker 2: Getting them from, Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's and that's not And as as the
Speaker 1: crow flies from way Rica, it's only about seventy miles
Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking right straight over the hill
Speaker 1: from where where why Rika is at. So we're on
Speaker 1: the same mountain range and basically sisk County. I just
Speaker 1: I just lived them doing. There's some research that that
Speaker 1: whole Siske County in way Rika area, it's it's got
Speaker 1: the most signings in California, probably because of the whole
Speaker 1: first of the you know, the whole first and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then over you know, if you're looking right over
Speaker 1: the coast towards the coast, there's also the redwoods, so
Speaker 1: that's pretty thick over there too. It's pretty nice. But
Speaker 1: now back in ry Rika, in nineteen eighty three, my
Speaker 1: brother and my twin brother and I were we were
Speaker 1: fifteen years old, and uh first of all, we we
Speaker 1: moved around a lot. We have our dad was a
Speaker 1: cook and the uh so to our whole childhood, we
Speaker 1: were moving constantly. We moved from town to town. We uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about least once or twice a
Speaker 1: year we moved. We didn't stay one screw at more
Speaker 1: more than a year at at the very most. And
Speaker 1: then we also moved sometimes, you know, two to two
Speaker 1: or three times a year. That's how much. That's how
Speaker 1: much traveling we've done and litting all over California and Oregon.
Speaker 1: So now, like I said, in eighty three, we came
Speaker 1: to we came from Oregon to come back into California
Speaker 1: and our aunt was living in wy Arika. Well, we
Speaker 1: already knew wherehy Rica was too. We've always been there.
Speaker 1: We'd stop in to get gassing, but we'd never you know,
Speaker 1: anytime we're traveling back and forth to Oregon and California,
Speaker 1: would always stop there to get gas every time we
Speaker 1: were doing our travel. But our aunt happened to just
Speaker 1: end up living there as soon as there maybe about
Speaker 1: a year so before we actually arrived. And so this
Speaker 1: is the first time we actually got to go to
Speaker 1: Wayrika and stay there. But our parents dropped us, me
Speaker 1: and my brother and along with our two member siblings
Speaker 1: dropped us off with our aunts. So my mom and
Speaker 1: dad and travel around California to try to find a
Speaker 1: place to live, even though they did come back to
Speaker 1: Wyrika anyways a couple months later, and we ended up
Speaker 1: living in Wyreka.
Speaker 2: But at this time you were just staying with your aunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's still with my aunt now they ain't. Part
Speaker 1: of the town of Wareka is basically right there along
Speaker 1: the along the freeway of the I five, where all
Speaker 1: the stores and restaurants and everything else, you know, and
Speaker 1: the population of the whole town is like thirty five
Speaker 1: hundred people at the time. And then where my aunt
Speaker 1: was living was in It was in an apartment complex
Speaker 1: and that was about that was about two rocks west
Speaker 1: of the of the main part of town there, and
Speaker 1: it's just a small residential neighborhood. But the apartment complexes
Speaker 1: is right next door to a grade school and the
Speaker 1: grade school is a there was a one grade one,
Speaker 1: two five, So it's got mostly just small kids there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course this.
Speaker 1: Was the summertime anyways. And I only mentioned the school
Speaker 1: because this is actually is the place where we actually
Speaker 1: had our encounter. So that's why I got to described
Speaker 1: what the school and everything around where we were at
Speaker 1: and everything. Now where the apartment complex and the screw
Speaker 1: in between each other. There's no there's no fence at all.
Speaker 1: There's no fence that separates the two properties. And but
Speaker 1: the front of our of the apartment suite was facing
Speaker 1: the opposite direction where the schools at, which is the
Speaker 1: north side of the schools on the north side of
Speaker 1: the apartment complex. So for us to get into the
Speaker 1: school yard, we just have to go around the backside
Speaker 1: or the side of the apartment complex to go just
Speaker 1: walk right through the field to get into the to
Speaker 1: the school. And on the west, on the whole western
Speaker 1: side of that of the school property was a big
Speaker 1: eight foot eight to ten for chaining fence that went
Speaker 1: all the way up and down north and south in
Speaker 1: that whole perimeter, and that's where the soccer slash baseball
Speaker 1: field was located. Now, then on the very north on
Speaker 1: that north corner basically of the of the school grounds,
Speaker 1: the north west corners where the baseball diamonds at. And
Speaker 1: then right on connected to the eight point fence was
Speaker 1: a man gate, so you can walk through that. But
Speaker 1: on the other side of that fence, we were looking
Speaker 1: towards the mountains. Now your head looking towards the West.
Speaker 1: There's just a big empty, a big piece of property
Speaker 1: that's owned by the city and it's just it's undeveloped
Speaker 1: and that covered you know, quite a few acres. But
Speaker 1: it went from a screw There was about you know,
Speaker 1: threw up one hundred yards just looking but just dry
Speaker 1: grass and a lot of weeds, you know, tall weeds
Speaker 1: like three or through three foot weeds, and then all
Speaker 1: the whole perimeters this had a whole bunch of rowing
Speaker 1: uh dirt. Now it's basically it's very unstable area. And
Speaker 1: there's also got a lot of strawberry and everything three
Speaker 1: thick show in some spots.
Speaker 2: So the city wasn't keeping it up or anything.
Speaker 1: No, not that particular part of the property. There's a yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, but they did recently. It's actually
Speaker 1: I've been there about five years ago myself, and that
Speaker 1: I can see that that that whole community is it's
Speaker 1: all it's all housing, it's all community. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you if if you know,
Speaker 2: if it's changed a lot since then.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I tried to go back and tried to
Speaker 1: you know, look at the area that I I seem
Speaker 1: my big putting everything and that's totally different. So anyways, yeah,
Speaker 1: so then there be all on that field, like I said,
Speaker 1: about four four hundred yards. It's just a there was
Speaker 1: a just a little residential neighborhood one street up there
Speaker 1: that just that's right next to the bottom of the
Speaker 1: of the sleep of the steep slope that goes up
Speaker 1: to the towards the mountains into the mountains. So that's
Speaker 1: that's so basically from the apartments to the mountains is
Speaker 1: probably a couple of blocks away from us as all
Speaker 1: it was, but it's pretty easy travel come to there. See.
Speaker 1: Now we first got to the town, we met a
Speaker 1: couple of brothers, me and my me and my brother,
Speaker 1: we didn't know anybody. We just go down to the
Speaker 1: park in town there and and we ended up meeting
Speaker 1: a couple of brothers there and uh there's there were
Speaker 1: the same age as we were, so they were the
Speaker 1: ones we were hanging out with and we only knew
Speaker 1: them for a couple of days. But when when this
Speaker 1: incident happened. We also have my younger sister who ended
Speaker 1: up having a like a little thing with the with
Speaker 1: the with the kid that was about two years older
Speaker 1: than me and my brother, my sister was only thirteen
Speaker 1: and this this guy, this kid was like seventeen. So anyways,
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of a short term I had a
Speaker 1: short term thing going on. But they're both also with
Speaker 1: us in this in this particular encounter. Now we moved
Speaker 1: forward to the day, the day that this happened, and
Speaker 1: it was in the middle of It was in the
Speaker 1: middle of summer, and so it was very hot. It
Speaker 1: was actually we had like a drought going on at
Speaker 1: the time, and uh, the tempters definitely was. It was
Speaker 1: I remember days that were about one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: degrees and uh, you know, so anywhere from one hundred
Speaker 1: one hundred to one hundred tenets. So it was very
Speaker 1: warm out and even were heay, we tried, we stayed
Speaker 1: in most of the time because it's still hot out,
Speaker 1: you know. So I mean, now these uh, the two
Speaker 1: brothers came to our aarper complex where we were where
Speaker 1: we were staying with my aunt. We already ate dinner,
Speaker 1: was already getting dumb, it was already getting dark. Anyways,
Speaker 1: the sun was already going over and we were already
Speaker 1: expecting we're already expecting the two brothers to show up. Anyways,
Speaker 1: So they showed up after dinner and already getting dark out,
Speaker 1: and it was very bright with stars and everything, so
Speaker 1: it's pretty bright in that aspect. And then so we
Speaker 1: were outside talking with the brothers and everything, and then
Speaker 1: so one of the brothers decided that to they wanted
Speaker 1: to play a game. They wanted to play a game
Speaker 1: of what we call duns, but it's mostly like a
Speaker 1: hide and go seek. We had a team, we had
Speaker 1: one and the other team of three, which was my team.
Speaker 1: And uh so, yeah, so me and my bro were
Speaker 1: not usually that even at this particular time in our life,
Speaker 1: we weren't we like playing those kind of games, but
Speaker 1: we decided to do it because the two brothers just
Speaker 1: were pretty consistent on wanting to do something. So that's
Speaker 1: what we decided to do. So now we had my
Speaker 1: sister and her and her boyfriend join in with us,
Speaker 1: and like I said, now me and my twin brother
Speaker 1: we were the team captains because they nobody wanted us
Speaker 1: to be on the same team together, you know. So
Speaker 1: so anyways, so now I ended up having my sister
Speaker 1: and uh and her boyfriend on my team, and then
Speaker 1: uh my brother had the other the other two brothers
Speaker 1: on his team. So so now we got three on
Speaker 1: our team. So basically, uh, I won a coin toss
Speaker 1: to where we got to go hide first. So it
Speaker 1: was up to my brother's team to be searching for us.
Speaker 1: And and when I say guns, oh, we just had
Speaker 1: fake you know, we just use our fingers, you know,
Speaker 1: to shoot, you know, we're got that's basically where that's
Speaker 1: specially where since we're gonna be just a back like
Speaker 1: we're gonna shoot each other. But we didn't have any
Speaker 1: we didn't really have a really good plan. We just
Speaker 1: it was more like a hide and go seek type
Speaker 1: of game, you know. So it's kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit different than what what I thought we were going
Speaker 1: to do. But anyway, so now my brother had to
Speaker 1: count down. My brother's team had to count down from
Speaker 1: one hundred, so that way that would give us my
Speaker 1: team enough time to you know, get some distance away.
Speaker 1: So the only the old kind of rules of that
Speaker 1: came up with is that we wanted that we couldn't
Speaker 1: go and we had to stay within the screw property
Speaker 1: or over on the other side of that fence with
Speaker 1: where that where the city properties at uh on the
Speaker 1: other side of the screw, So that was the only
Speaker 1: real rules we have. We didn't have anything else set up,
Speaker 1: you know, we're just we just had the other team
Speaker 1: that'll be looking for us. So now my brother's team
Speaker 1: started to counting down and then we just went at
Speaker 1: my team, We just went around the other outside where
Speaker 1: the screw was at, and just ran around the other
Speaker 1: uh uh over to the other side, and we ran
Speaker 1: all up to where the northwest corner of the screw was,
Speaker 1: and that's where the baseball diamond was at. So there's
Speaker 1: a little there was a little four foot fencerack there
Speaker 1: that once along got north the perimeter of the screw property,
Speaker 1: but always had to jump over that real quick. And
Speaker 1: so my team just went and laid down right behind
Speaker 1: the baseball diamond. And like I said, there's the man
Speaker 1: gate right behind us also right there on on that
Speaker 1: chain League fence. So now at this point I didn't
Speaker 1: know exactly where my brother's team was at. You know,
Speaker 1: we're hiding. And the light said, and the stoke it
Speaker 1: was bright enough. The lights were from the stars was
Speaker 1: pretty bright gave them. So we can actually see the
Speaker 1: field pretty eastly, you know, but any anything that's walking around,
Speaker 1: if you just see like a shadowy figures because it
Speaker 1: was it wasn't that line out. But we can also
Speaker 1: see from the baseball dim and we could see the
Speaker 1: apartment complex that had lights from there, and behind the
Speaker 1: school where the kids school on the playgrounds that had
Speaker 1: had some lighting there. And we also see we can
Speaker 1: also see the street lights on the other side of
Speaker 1: both the apartments and the and the school there. So
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of light. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: the good enough that we could see details or everything.
Speaker 1: But now my brother's team is actually located right basically
Speaker 1: on the school grounds, but right next to the next
Speaker 1: to the apartment complex, whis basically diagonal from where we
Speaker 1: were at. We're you know, estimating what maybe one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty feet maybe or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: just as an estimate. So now what these when these
Speaker 1: creatures showed up, it was it took a while because
Speaker 1: we were sitting there. My team was laying down behind
Speaker 1: that baseball battling for I would say at least a
Speaker 1: four or five minutes, you know, because we were waiting
Speaker 1: for the other team because they're supposed to be looking
Speaker 1: for us. And I'm not sure why my brother decided
Speaker 1: to just to hold off. They were just kicking back,
Speaker 1: I guess. But they're also laid down in the grass
Speaker 1: as well. So basically, like I said, about five minutes
Speaker 1: goes by. But now my brother's team, they were the
Speaker 1: first rooms that got to see these bigfoots come into
Speaker 1: the pictures because those bigfoots were right through on the
Speaker 1: side of the school, right right in between the school
Speaker 1: and that complex, the armor complex. There's no lighting right
Speaker 1: there in that to their section because it's right on
Speaker 1: the side of the school, so it's kind of dark
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, but there's a but there's a street
Speaker 1: right there, there's a little there's like an access for
Speaker 1: right next for the for the school workers right next
Speaker 1: to the school, especially in between the school and the
Speaker 1: and the apartment complex. But that's what the bigfoots were
Speaker 1: came walking out of. They came walking and and they
Speaker 1: started and they were heading towards that, towards the field
Speaker 1: and towards that changing fence. And as they were walking,
Speaker 1: they were they were walking about ten or fifteen feet
Speaker 1: apart apart from each other, and they're, like I said,
Speaker 1: there's three of them. So now they're walking in front
Speaker 1: of my brother. They're looking at my brother and his
Speaker 1: team are looking at these figures walking in front of them,
Speaker 1: and none of my brother or his team, they didn't
Speaker 1: want to say nothing. They just sat there and watched
Speaker 1: these creutures just walking front of them. They're probably about
Speaker 1: fifty feet in front of U with my brother and
Speaker 1: we're laying down. They let them walk by, and they
Speaker 1: kind of went to a little bit of a shock
Speaker 1: and everything, and they couldn't they really couldn't believe what
Speaker 1: they were looking at. But they didn't say anything because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to. They didn't want to draw attention
Speaker 1: to it, watching these creatures walk in front of them
Speaker 1: like that. It wasn't until the big puts got all
Speaker 1: the way down and got within a you know, ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen feet from the the fence when they actually
Speaker 1: looked at each other and started they definitely they started
Speaker 1: whispering each other. The one of the brothers said, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's that's bigfoot, you know, And that's it. That's all
Speaker 1: it was, And they all knew, they all agreed for
Speaker 1: sure that that's exactly what they're looking at. It was
Speaker 1: a big It was big. There's three of them, and
Speaker 1: uh and their estimated size of these were you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, some were over They're definitely over six
Speaker 1: feet because the two brothers were like six feet tall themselves,
Speaker 1: and they they they permiss and that they these big
Speaker 1: foots were even taller than they or so, so that's
Speaker 1: my understanding there. But we also came to a conclusion
Speaker 1: later on that there were probably the juveniles bigfoot, you know,
Speaker 1: after after analyzing all the stuff that we were thinking
Speaker 1: about after after the fact. But meanwhile, when they did,
Speaker 1: when my brother's team watched these bigfoots up, yet two
Speaker 1: of the acts were that fence. Like I said, this
Speaker 1: fence is at least eight feet I for some reason
Speaker 1: think it's like almost ten feet tall. But because I've
Speaker 1: climbed that fence before myself, and I'm I was five
Speaker 1: seven myself, it just seems like eight foot would need
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. But I remember having to
Speaker 1: crawl up that defence before. It seems like it's about
Speaker 1: ten feet tall, but it's it's it's anywhere from eight
Speaker 1: to ten. So that's that's a lot better to just
Speaker 1: to think that that way, I guess. So basically, when
Speaker 1: these bigfoots got to the fence, the biggest went out
Speaker 1: of the out of the through biofoots that were there.
Speaker 1: He all he did he or she, I can't wait
Speaker 1: tell you what's what it would. But all it did
Speaker 1: is is grab the top. It just grabbed hold of
Speaker 1: the top of the fence and just yanked it soap
Speaker 1: up and just threw it soap on the other side
Speaker 1: of the just on the other side to that to
Speaker 1: the property of the city.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, the other two, the other two bigots, they decided
Speaker 1: they just walked right back down the fence line back
Speaker 1: towards the apartment complex, uh opery line there, and then
Speaker 1: the fence just stops right there at the property line anyways,
Speaker 1: and all you have to, oh, you have to just
Speaker 1: walk right around the fence and then you back then
Speaker 1: you're in that undeveloped piece of property there. And that's
Speaker 1: basically that's basically what my brother had seen. Now in
Speaker 1: my situation, I will go back to where I was at.
Speaker 1: I was we were behind here. I actually remember I
Speaker 1: started to fall asleep of it. I just I dozed
Speaker 1: off anyways, But when those big foots came into the
Speaker 1: started across some where my brother was at, my sister
Speaker 1: nudged me, uh and kind of woke me up and
Speaker 1: the other the boyfriend, he was right there too. He
Speaker 1: actually said, hey, there's the other team. You know that's
Speaker 1: coming up. So basically I wiped my eyes off and everything.
Speaker 1: And then and definitely, I guess we definitely see the
Speaker 1: silhouettes walking across. The few of them. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we were probably at least at least one hundred feet
Speaker 1: away from him, So we took we didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: we need to see any details or anything out of them.
Speaker 1: And at this point in time, we're just you know,
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, there's my brother's team, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you got three days that's walking. But
Speaker 1: in my own I'm not thinking Bigfoot Denson's not on
Speaker 1: my rank on whatsoever. So you know, why would I
Speaker 1: be thinking about it Bigley, you know. And so like
Speaker 1: I said, and the detail wasn't there's not enough details
Speaker 1: we need even consider that fact. So we watched the
Speaker 1: rock and walking across the into the baseball field. Basiclyek
Speaker 1: come right straight towards the fence, but not really paying attention.
Speaker 1: I was like staring at him or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, but we were definitely I could definitely
Speaker 1: visualize them walking across and so now my uh my
Speaker 1: sister's boyfriend decided he wanted to get up and just
Speaker 1: start blasting away, you know, with our gun fingers, you know.
Speaker 1: And I said, no, no, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: that because we're too far away. So I suggested that
Speaker 1: we just go ahead and just just get ourselves on
Speaker 1: the other side of the fence, even not not knowing
Speaker 1: if they're if that's what they were planing rob doing anyways,
Speaker 1: We didn't know if those figures are gonna jump over
Speaker 1: the fst but at least we would be on the
Speaker 1: other side of the fence, and if those those figures
Speaker 1: came walking down towards that they stayed on the on
Speaker 1: the on the screw grounds, we would still be right
Speaker 1: to on the other side of the fence and we'd
Speaker 1: start blasting away if they came up to us. But
Speaker 1: it turns out that they are on the other side anyways,
Speaker 1: which we didn't know. And like I said, my brother
Speaker 1: told me that that these bigfoot that one bigfoot jump
Speaker 1: over the tainleing fence. Now we were crawling through that fence.
Speaker 1: That proves the same time the throws that those bigfoots
Speaker 1: got to the fence anyways, and I'm holding onto the fence,
Speaker 1: and I don't hear nothing. I don't hear the fence rattle,
Speaker 1: because normally if you're on a if you're going to
Speaker 1: crawl on a tainleing fence, you're gonna hear something. You're
Speaker 1: gonna hear a rattle. You got thurible and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So so I guarantee that whatever, if that's what they did,
Speaker 1: they that one jumped over the fence. I just did
Speaker 1: it in one fast loop, just went up there and
Speaker 1: I just grabbed a hold and just just flung itself
Speaker 1: over the other side without making a noise, you know.
Speaker 1: And then they probably had that type of the probably
Speaker 1: that agile anyways, where they can do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: They probably used to doing that. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: we crawled, you know, we crawled through the other side,
Speaker 1: through the through that manngate. We just crawled through there.
Speaker 1: And then we started heading down off along that ends
Speaker 1: line basically towards the center of the of the field there,
Speaker 1: but on the over on the property side, the property
Speaker 1: of the city, and uh, and we kind of do
Speaker 1: it kind of slops. We didn't want to make any noise.
Speaker 1: We didn't, you know, because eventually they're going to either
Speaker 1: come to us and we're gonna have an element of
Speaker 1: surprise no matter what. But we didn't want we didn't
Speaker 1: really want to draw too much attention to it at
Speaker 1: that particular time.
Speaker 2: Um hm.
Speaker 1: So we get down there. Finally we get down They
Speaker 1: took a few minutes or whatever, but we get to
Speaker 1: about center of the field, of the of the fence line,
Speaker 1: and that's where we decided to stay. We decided to
Speaker 1: sit right there because that's about the about the same
Speaker 1: place where we see these big foots come up to
Speaker 1: the fence or in this in my case, I thought
Speaker 1: it was the other team. So we just put our
Speaker 1: backs against the fence and just started looking towards the mountains,
Speaker 1: you know, in that direction, basically the same direction going
Speaker 1: towards that that the residential neighbor neighborhood they said, about
Speaker 1: four hundred yards away, and right down below us, we're
Speaker 1: up on a little bit the fence line was a
Speaker 1: little bit of the slope, so it was down about
Speaker 1: maybe two or three feet before the you're on that
Speaker 1: other piece of property, and there's a lot of ruts
Speaker 1: on the ground and stuff. There's very uneeded property. Then
Speaker 1: right to the just a little bit to our them
Speaker 1: to the luck to us, there's a pretty big thick
Speaker 1: piece of brush, you know, so something could hide behind there,
Speaker 1: of course, but that was one of the areas that
Speaker 1: we didn't want to go past, and we just wanted
Speaker 1: to kind of because because we can still see down
Speaker 1: the fence line. The fence line is still pretty clear.
Speaker 1: We could still crawl down that way if we wanted,
Speaker 1: but we had that brush right there, so that was
Speaker 1: kind of helping us with a little bit of shelter
Speaker 1: for ourselves. Now we sat there now at this point,
Speaker 1: my sister and embokmen and they were kind of getting
Speaker 1: boarded the game, and they are already kind of there
Speaker 1: were certain some signs that they were they're more into
Speaker 1: each other basically, right, so they're kind of giggling up,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of get a little bit agitated
Speaker 1: at this point in time, and I kept telling to
Speaker 1: be quiet because I didn't want them to I want
Speaker 1: our team to get discovered, you know. So we were
Speaker 1: sitting there for a couple of minutes, but then finally
Speaker 1: my sister and then the boyfriend decided they just they
Speaker 1: wanted to go crawling out with the grass. And they,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was more than happy. I just said, okay,
Speaker 1: just go ahead and go, you know, just getting getting
Speaker 1: a bat of getting away from me was what I
Speaker 1: wanted them to do, because they're just giggling stuff anyways,
Speaker 1: not really loud, but just giggling enough where it's gonna
Speaker 1: give us away, you know. So when they started crawling
Speaker 1: through the grass, and it's like it was about three
Speaker 1: foot leads and grass and anything, I wasn't really paying
Speaker 1: attention to my sister and the boyfriend. I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't know exactly which way they were headed or anything.
Speaker 1: They just oh, I noticed that I lost sight of
Speaker 1: them once they crawled into the grass. And they are
Speaker 1: still giggling stuff. So it's just enough cracking hear them
Speaker 1: pretty good, you know, still a little noise, and I
Speaker 1: really wanted them to be that. I kept trying to
Speaker 1: tell him be quiet a little bit, you know, moved
Speaker 1: like a kind of a louder whisper, I guess. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I just sat there and this whole time all
Speaker 1: I was doing is just just scoping, just scanning my
Speaker 1: head back and forth all the way from looking down
Speaker 1: the fence line and then going all the way and
Speaker 1: and just scanning all the way back down from where
Speaker 1: we came from and scanning all that property. Anyways, So
Speaker 1: after a few minutes after it was probably about two
Speaker 1: minutes later after my sister and now they're still in
Speaker 1: the grass, suwheer. But as I was coming around and
Speaker 1: from the looking north basically and then coming around to
Speaker 1: look back down the fence line again, now I see
Speaker 1: two figures the twenty feet away from me that were
Speaker 1: that were squattered on one of those dirt and those
Speaker 1: grassy dirt mounds that I was telling about. It's only
Speaker 1: maybe a flot or too high, you know, But at
Speaker 1: this point, I I career, I just in my mind,
Speaker 1: it was just it was my sister. It was my
Speaker 1: sister and her boyfriend. So I could see the silhouettes,
Speaker 1: you know, looking you know, just looking straight at me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. At this point there there wasn't a lot of light,
Speaker 1: but I could see there's lights coming from the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: like I said, quite a few yards away, and there's
Speaker 1: and of course the starlights and everything. So I could
Speaker 1: definitely see that there's two figures there. Plus they were
Speaker 1: right next like I. So it was twenty few array
Speaker 1: but they were right next to that brush, on the
Speaker 1: thick brush I was telling you about, So maybe that
Speaker 1: was a place where they just came out of. But
Speaker 1: I didn't see them arrive at all. So that's why
Speaker 1: it all came to It wasn't even surprised at that
Speaker 1: time because I could it was as far as I
Speaker 1: was concerned, that was my sister and her boyfriend. Even
Speaker 1: though later I could definitely look at my I can
Speaker 1: look back and I can remember that these these true
Speaker 1: uh uh figures were just sitting there, just staring straight
Speaker 1: at me. Didn't make any move, wasn't moving at all,
Speaker 1: even though like I I just kept scanning back and
Speaker 1: thirta anyways, and every once in a while, about every
Speaker 1: couple fifteen twenty seconds out, I'd be looking at those
Speaker 1: two and I raised my hand up and trying to
Speaker 1: tell those two figures that stop, you know, the stop
Speaker 1: giggling and stuff, you know, stop making noise. So basically
Speaker 1: I was having an interaction with these two figures, even
Speaker 1: though it wasn't a communication part of it. But they
Speaker 1: recognized me, even though I didn't know exactly what I
Speaker 1: was looking at at the time, but it was still
Speaker 1: considered a an interaction. I guess it's it because they
Speaker 1: knew where I was. My sister and them, they were
Speaker 1: definitely crawled up. They were definitely close enough so that
Speaker 1: when they were when my sister and her Bertha were
Speaker 1: still giggling and stuff, it was still a close note
Speaker 1: rocket that the sound was just to me, it was, uh,
Speaker 1: was was close enough to those two figures that that's
Speaker 1: that I still thought that that's what they were. That
Speaker 1: was my sister Eric worker. So they weren't. They were
Speaker 1: only a matter of whatever feet feet, you know, so
Speaker 1: many feet away. They're They're definitely even closer than when
Speaker 1: I was. I mean I was twenty feet.
Speaker 2: Away, So they were between you and two figures. But
Speaker 2: you didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or the more I don't care. Yeah, my sister
Speaker 1: and they were actually more to the a little bit
Speaker 1: more to the right where I'm looking straight and those
Speaker 1: two figures were a little bit just right off at
Speaker 1: an angle, just slightly to the left of me and
Speaker 1: my sister and them because they were sitting on the
Speaker 1: right of me anyways, and they just went straight out
Speaker 1: and uh, and as far as I was concerned, they
Speaker 1: were just went straight straight out, you know, because I
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention to exactly which stretch and they started
Speaker 1: the head but that was my estimated figures that they
Speaker 1: just went straight out and they were probably within by
Speaker 1: the time they got well out into the thick rushing
Speaker 1: or the thick weeds, and that they they were probably
Speaker 1: within ten feet on those two figures themselves. Wow, look
Speaker 1: out them even knowing it, because they didn't know it,
Speaker 1: because they all they could do all my surial just
Speaker 1: hear me just trying to whisper back to them to
Speaker 1: be quiet, you know, even though it wasn't doing anything good.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, now it goes on for another about another
Speaker 1: two or three minutes. I'm still just just just scanning
Speaker 1: my head around back and forth. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, and I'm doing my turn back up looking
Speaker 1: starting to look towards the south on that long fense line,
Speaker 1: and now I see it. I see something come running
Speaker 1: out behind the bush from that thick brush that was
Speaker 1: and they it man, Actually it was about another five
Speaker 1: feet behind the other two that were sitting on that now,
Speaker 1: and that thing, I mean, it was coming pretty fast.
Speaker 1: That thing was so fast as he start. I mean
Speaker 1: I look back at it I know it was pretty fast,
Speaker 1: but at the time it was happening, it was it
Speaker 1: was it was everything was happening so fast. But it's
Speaker 1: not that I got scared when came because I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I wasn't even looking for bait for anything,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't scared of anything. At this time. I
Speaker 1: just thought it was my brother's team. I thought it
Speaker 1: was one person from the other team, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: which what I thought it was all these news the
Speaker 1: other team, still thinking that those other two that were
Speaker 1: sitting on the mound was my sister and workman. But
Speaker 1: either ways, those two figures didn't even didn't even budge anyways.
Speaker 1: Even that one came running around in the behind the
Speaker 1: other two, those two figures just stayed right exactly where
Speaker 1: they were now. So that made that that creature that
Speaker 1: they went around those other two, that was at least
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty feet from where I was at.
Speaker 1: And uh, like I said, I everything happened so fast,
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, Okay, it's the other team, and even
Speaker 1: before I can before I can even get on my feet,
Speaker 1: that creature was already went completely around those two and
Speaker 1: was already almost was stopped by the time I got
Speaker 1: on my feet to start yelling and start saying that
Speaker 1: it was the other team. About the same time I
Speaker 1: got up and started yelling the other team that that
Speaker 1: big pot. That's when you know the bit was stopped,
Speaker 1: like we're talking ten feet from me, because I already
Speaker 1: went past those other two. And that was that was
Speaker 1: actually just stopped with the ten maybe twelve at the most,
Speaker 1: but it stopped right there. And then I was just
Speaker 1: sitting there. It just stood there and looked at me,
Speaker 1: and it, uh, it tilted his head from where I
Speaker 1: was at it till to the left side, but it
Speaker 1: was it was it was on its right side, tilt
Speaker 1: his head like it was like it was trying that
Speaker 1: communicate or probably it was. It was almost like it
Speaker 1: was curious of me. There's nothing regressive about about what
Speaker 1: it but about what he was doing or it was doing.
Speaker 1: But all the all I know is it just it
Speaker 1: tilts his head to one side, and it was it
Speaker 1: was slightly bent in the knees, and and it was
Speaker 1: kind of and the and the head like the back
Speaker 1: was arcs a little bit facing forward as well. But
Speaker 1: the thing I could definitely see out of the whole
Speaker 1: this whole creature was the I can see the hair
Speaker 1: going all the way from the head and it was
Speaker 1: going right all the way down the shoulders, and I
Speaker 1: can see part of the arms, and the arms were
Speaker 1: going down into the shadows where I couldn't see the
Speaker 1: full length of the arms. I could see the individual
Speaker 1: hairs all coming all the way down to around its
Speaker 1: shoulders and uh, and it was either gonna be it
Speaker 1: was definitely short haired type of things. I see the
Speaker 1: individual hairs, but it wasn't like long hair. I didn't
Speaker 1: see any long hairs coming from the like the arms
Speaker 1: or anything. But I could see the actual individual hairs
Speaker 1: on the shoulders. And the one thing I did notice
Speaker 1: it was definitely it was quite a bit wider than me,
Speaker 1: so I knew it was quite a bit bigger, but
Speaker 1: still at this time and this and this was going
Speaker 1: on this for about three seconds. When I decided to
Speaker 1: start blasting away, I just started, Uh. I started just
Speaker 1: going bang bang bang bang bang. After after I yelled out,
Speaker 1: there was the other team and I just yelled out
Speaker 1: the top of my lump. So basically I was I
Speaker 1: wasn't even at this time, I was just it was
Speaker 1: just the other team to me, just that one, just
Speaker 1: the one.
Speaker 2: Different dn't registered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just hadn't rested my mind. Just even though I
Speaker 1: could definitely see there's something was definitely wrong, I was
Speaker 1: still set on just my my drum was going because
Speaker 1: I wanted to I just wanted to shoot the other team.
Speaker 1: So now I'm just banging my fingers away, banging away.
Speaker 1: And then now at that point, the other two that
Speaker 1: were sitting on the on that dirt mound, they stood up,
Speaker 1: and then I knew, I knew that there's something wrong.
Speaker 1: I was okay, something was definitely not right yet because
Speaker 1: they anyways, but they all those two got up, and
Speaker 1: then you all just turned around, all three of them.
Speaker 1: They just started leaping away from me, back going a
Speaker 1: heading towards the hills and towards that little residential neighborhood
Speaker 1: ways away, and I can see they're just leaping. They
Speaker 1: were leaping through the room, through the tall grass. So
Speaker 1: at this time, now now I go into kind of
Speaker 1: a shock because the only thing that was coming out
Speaker 1: of my mouth at that point, I just started yelling
Speaker 1: out deer. I just started yelling deer for whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I can only think of the reason I
Speaker 1: was doing because of the way they're leaping, leaking through
Speaker 1: the grass, knowing that these were definitely not deer because
Speaker 1: they are on two legs for sure, just there. They
Speaker 1: are definitely human form. And but at the same time,
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't I didn't. I didn't think of them
Speaker 1: as being human either, you know, so it was definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be between a human and whatever whatever it was.
Speaker 1: At this time in my mind, I just I just
Speaker 1: couldn't register what was going on. I was confused, and
Speaker 1: I'm just yelling deer now. I was yelling that so
Speaker 1: loud too. It's like my brother can hear me from
Speaker 1: the other from way back in the apartment complex, because
Speaker 1: like I said, my brother. And then they got scared anyways,
Speaker 1: and they retreated back into the apartment complex. But when
Speaker 1: they heard me rowing, I think they're pretty they're afraid
Speaker 1: of what was happening to me. They they probably were
Speaker 1: trade Later on, of course, they said they were afraid
Speaker 1: that maybe that those bigfoots were attacking me or whatever.
Speaker 1: So they came running across the field from the apartment complex,
Speaker 1: and uh, well, yeah, let's go, let's keep moving. Before
Speaker 1: brows at anyway, So I can still see these figures there,
Speaker 1: like you said, they're they're already they're leaping away from me.
Speaker 1: And then of course I stopped shooting eventually then, but
Speaker 1: I can still see them. They'll be looking at him.
Speaker 1: They actually slowed down, they just came become more like
Speaker 1: a like a faster walk. But they're just with you know,
Speaker 1: with wide strides, I guess it'd say. And I can
Speaker 1: see them looking back at me. They're they just turned
Speaker 1: their upper torsos. They're just they're just looked back at me,
Speaker 1: you know, these big figures. And uh so I was
Speaker 1: still confused. I was just like I could do what
Speaker 1: I was looking at. I didn't want to believe in
Speaker 1: bit because I just I just didn't. I just didn't
Speaker 1: want to think of them because I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about me but except stories and stuff. But meanwhile,
Speaker 1: my sister and her boyfriend finally were standing next to me,
Speaker 1: which I didn't even notice until later, and they can
Speaker 1: still they can see these stubish as well, but they
Speaker 1: are still three far away. They were probably about fifty
Speaker 1: or sixty yards away, no matter what, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred pet or whatever. But but we could see them.
Speaker 1: We were watching him, and uh so my sister and
Speaker 1: her boyfriend. They definitely could not identify them as being
Speaker 1: bigfoot at all because as far as as far as
Speaker 1: what we can look at at where we were standing,
Speaker 1: they were just upright bipedal whatever pedal, uh pussons or whatever.
Speaker 1: But anyways, so meanwhile, I can hear my brother come
Speaker 1: running across the field walk. I'm right there. I'm at
Speaker 1: the fence, and I'm still confused. I'm still I'm still
Speaker 1: in shock. I guess you'd see. So I turn around,
Speaker 1: I'm holding on to the fence, and I can see
Speaker 1: my brother's team running up to the fence line. And
Speaker 1: I didn't hear him yelling something, but they didn't nothing.
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear anything until he got to me. I
Speaker 1: was probably with about ten feet from them getting to
Speaker 1: the fence, and they're running pretty fast. But all I
Speaker 1: can hear is my brother just just yell out that
Speaker 1: that they staw a big and once they said that,
Speaker 1: that's when everything totally changed in my whole life up
Speaker 1: to this point. And I mean, it's hardly even explained
Speaker 1: about how how scared a person can be. I mean
Speaker 1: because I've been scared. I've seen I've had baron counters
Speaker 1: myself when my in my old in my adulthood, I've
Speaker 1: had five different uh cross encounter basically with bears, black
Speaker 1: bears in California. So I do a lot of hiking.
Speaker 1: But but after this incident, I've never felt anything as
Speaker 1: scared as I've ever been before that incident and more
Speaker 1: after us It's one of those experiences I've never It's
Speaker 1: one thing I've never ever watered fear that pain, same
Speaker 1: fear ever ever in my life, you know. But I
Speaker 1: was so scared, I went do a deep shock and
Speaker 1: uh almost probably my heart was getting ready to just
Speaker 1: just pounce out of my chest. Just the fact that
Speaker 1: my brother said that they saw a big the name
Speaker 1: be put right there. That was it. It's just I
Speaker 1: lost almost everything and somehow I ended up on My
Speaker 1: brother told me that that I just almost pretty much
Speaker 1: just jumped over the fence. I mean as fast as
Speaker 1: I could. I just grabbed a hold, I just used
Speaker 1: my hands just and pretty much just a couple of
Speaker 1: strides up the thing and grabbed and just jump and
Speaker 1: just jump through real the side. And then and I left,
Speaker 1: I left my sister uh and her boyfriend right there,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know how how they got over,
Speaker 1: but you on your only memory I had after that,
Speaker 1: uh once he said, big put case, I weren't Tony blank.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what I was doing. All I
Speaker 1: know is that I see I remember being about halfway
Speaker 1: down the field of the of the of the soccer field,
Speaker 1: and I think I got to the other side and
Speaker 1: I just, uh, I just fell to my knees. Finally,
Speaker 1: I fell on my knees because I can see my
Speaker 1: hands and everything, and I remember rubbing my rubbing my eyes.
Speaker 1: I had tears just coming out of my eyes like
Speaker 1: crazy because I was That's how scared I was. I was.
Speaker 1: It was the worst thing. I was the worst thing
Speaker 1: I ever had. But when you look back, I know
Speaker 1: for a fact that they weren't. There's nothing aggressive about
Speaker 1: it that these creatures. It's just that I had this
Speaker 1: thought of a big foot being just a folklore monster
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. It was just something that I
Speaker 1: so basically, my my fear only came out of what
Speaker 1: what I thought happened, you know, not what what what
Speaker 1: is gonna happen later. I mean, I was just told
Speaker 1: to fear what I what I thought could have could
Speaker 1: have actually really happened, that they really wanted to do something, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, So like I said, I was it
Speaker 1: was just it was the most scared thing that the
Speaker 1: ever had my whole life. And it's and I and
Speaker 1: I never had anything that scary. Matter of fact, every
Speaker 1: time I've had any kind of bulb any encountered any
Speaker 1: kind of Like I said, the bears are the only
Speaker 1: the only thing that I've ever came close to that
Speaker 1: could have resembled any kind of fear. But with with
Speaker 1: the blackbirds in California after that incident, everything it just
Speaker 1: pales compared to compared to that feenie I had. So
Speaker 1: to me, looking at a bear, it was like was
Speaker 1: like nothing to me. You know, It's just I just
Speaker 1: felt I felt at ease because at least I know
Speaker 1: what a bear is, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did you lose that feeling of fear as
Speaker 2: you got older or did it stay with.
Speaker 1: You as far as that whole situation. I actually I've
Speaker 1: actually come to the terms of goal that that whole situation,
Speaker 1: that fear lasted for for at least weeks. Upon that
Speaker 1: I didn't even want to go outside at night at
Speaker 1: all for quite a while. But when time goes by,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple months goes by. We end up
Speaker 1: living in Wayrika anyways, and we went to high school there,
Speaker 1: and we actually stayed in that town for about five
Speaker 1: or six years. You know, we lived around the areas
Speaker 1: we still moved from, like Trainer Park to train the
Speaker 1: Park and all as stuff, you know, in the apartment
Speaker 1: complexes and everything else. But we still lived in the area.
Speaker 1: And there's those little community towns within, uh you know,
Speaker 1: five ten miles away that we actually moved out, like
Speaker 1: farm Farm Country area too, but still way Rika was
Speaker 1: our main hub and went to high school there for
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yes, So, like I said, the
Speaker 1: the fear actually kind of up because we met up
Speaker 1: with other friends up after that. After that time though,
Speaker 1: we we had a couple of other friends that we
Speaker 1: actually were hiking up in the mountains with ourselves. We
Speaker 1: can hike up from right apartment complex we were at,
Speaker 1: there's a cyber event on the south side, goes right
Speaker 1: up to the cemetery and it's only a couple of
Speaker 1: blocks away and it goes right into up to just
Speaker 1: before you go into the mountains. All you had group.
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is walk through the cemetery and
Speaker 1: you just jump over a little fence right there and
Speaker 1: you can and there's a there's a pathway that just
Speaker 1: goes right up to up to the top of the
Speaker 1: to the grade, and it's about it comes up to
Speaker 1: about a two hundred ft elevation game by the time
Speaker 1: you get to the top of the ridge up there.
Speaker 1: But then you can just walk towards the north on
Speaker 1: the top of that mountain up there, and then can
Speaker 1: there's an overlook you can overlook and you can see
Speaker 1: the whole town and we can see the I can
Speaker 1: see the where you can see the apartment complex, and
Speaker 1: you see the school and everything right where we were at.
Speaker 1: You know, it looks like a bunch of little ants
Speaker 1: and stuff looking at it from where we're at. But
Speaker 1: you can also see the freeway, you can see the
Speaker 1: I five, and you can see the rest of the
Speaker 1: town right right next to it. And you can also
Speaker 1: see Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta's only about thirty miles to
Speaker 1: the southeast of town up on the ridge that you
Speaker 1: can see that pretty good. And it's kind of flat
Speaker 1: up there anyways, everything east of town, and everything is
Speaker 1: kind of a flat more flat. There's no mountains you
Speaker 1: can see except for that, except for that Mount Shasta,
Speaker 1: and so you know, beam up there. We were up
Speaker 1: there about a couple of years after, you know, after
Speaker 1: this happened. So and I felt comfortable being up in
Speaker 1: the mountains anyways, because we do a lot of hiking
Speaker 1: and camping anyways. But but standing up on that ridge,
Speaker 1: you can, I can know, I just me and my
Speaker 1: brother would just imagine how the what the bigfoot we're
Speaker 1: looking at? Yeah, you know, And and of course they
Speaker 1: they must have been doing this kind of stuff for years,
Speaker 1: maybe not going into town all the time whatever. Be like,
Speaker 1: I still haven't planning saying that they'd go down on
Speaker 1: the outskirts of town like that. But but it definitely
Speaker 1: happened to us, you know, for whatever reason. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I believe that these were probe juveniles and
Speaker 1: they're probably curious, and of course they know what the
Speaker 1: screw is. So I'm sure they've been up there on
Speaker 1: that top of the ridge looking down on the They
Speaker 1: know that there's kids that play in that playground all
Speaker 1: the time. M hm, So they knew the path, so
Speaker 1: they probably wanted that same exact path where to get
Speaker 1: to get over at least towards that side of the screw.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they are hanging out anywhere past
Speaker 1: that screw or not going into town, because right there,
Speaker 1: about a block or two arrays right there, there's an
Speaker 1: alley behind those there's like a bunch of stores and
Speaker 1: restaurants and stuff. There's an alley where they got these
Speaker 1: big bends, big trash bands where they throw away own
Speaker 1: food and stuff. Like don't like, there's a doughnut shop there.
Speaker 1: They throw food away, you know, like they old doughts
Speaker 1: or whatever. They got a pizza place over there. So
Speaker 1: and this is just pure theory that you know that
Speaker 1: they might have just went down there to be looking
Speaker 1: to the trash cans or whatever. But that's just my
Speaker 1: my own personal theory.
Speaker 2: Uh. I would I would say that's a pretty solid theory. Actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing was, like I said, it was,
Speaker 1: there was a drought going off. So that's the reason
Speaker 1: why that even even I brought that up, because even
Speaker 1: while we were even while we were there, even afterwards,
Speaker 1: we we already we we even knew, we already knew
Speaker 1: reports of uh of other wildlife coming down into town
Speaker 1: that that normally room come down in town. Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of deer would come down for sure. Uh,
Speaker 1: coyones were known to come down and uh uh and
Speaker 1: what over else you know up there, you know, but
Speaker 1: mostly dear stuff that you normally wouldn't see come down
Speaker 1: in town like that. But so yeah, so we'd heard
Speaker 1: a report about like that, So I kind of fear
Speaker 1: the manu those those even if those creatures coming down,
Speaker 1: they're probably trying to figure out a way to eat also,
Speaker 1: you know, find something, you know, so that especially when
Speaker 1: I'm not with that, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, so where I live in Oklahoma, stories of
Speaker 2: bigfoot coming into towns, you know, areas like you're talking
Speaker 2: about that's just like kind of on the edge of
Speaker 2: town where it dumps out into the wilderness or whatever,
Speaker 2: and them coming in and raiding dumpsters, hanging around schools,
Speaker 2: being seen by kids at school playing baseball like you're
Speaker 2: right there on the baseball. I mean, everything that you're
Speaker 2: talking about, even down to the cemetery, are like common
Speaker 2: things that people tell stories about in com are even bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's uh to and even to this day,
Speaker 1: I even me and my well freak, well, me and
Speaker 1: my brother. We once this happened, we talked, We talked
Speaker 1: about it probably within that year, but then we just
Speaker 1: stopped talking about it all together. After that, you know,
Speaker 1: we just decided, okay, that was it. And then over
Speaker 1: the years we never really talked about it. But you know,
Speaker 1: we always, uh we were pretty sy about telling people
Speaker 1: was we were shy kids. We were always moving around,
Speaker 1: so we didn't have any friends. We just had to
Speaker 1: make friends every time we moved, so so we ended
Speaker 1: up being kind of shy until we moved around so
Speaker 1: much and go different schools.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask you, like, did you, you know,
Speaker 2: being kids and all, did you talk to other kids
Speaker 2: about it later on?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, no, after this incident. Uh even we were
Speaker 1: back back at that time when I was going through
Speaker 1: my uh my, my episode, when I was in the
Speaker 1: middle of that field at night, you know, eight or
Speaker 1: nine or not. That night, we sat around, we just
Speaker 1: sat around in a circle. Eventually after I because I
Speaker 1: was in shock for so, I was in shock so
Speaker 1: bad that I couldn't even lunch and I couldn't even
Speaker 1: I couldn't even really speak of anything for about a
Speaker 1: half an hour to forty five minutes later, So we
Speaker 1: decided to sit around and I'm of course, I'm facing
Speaker 1: in the circle. I'm looking, I'm facing towards the fence
Speaker 1: because I'm just that's because I'm only had the most
Speaker 1: traumatic traumatic out of all of us. I had the
Speaker 1: worst aout all of us. So so we started talking
Speaker 1: about instantly, we compared stories with each other. Of course
Speaker 1: I was the last one to finally get to say something,
Speaker 1: because you know, I was able to finally say something.
Speaker 1: But then we came to the conclusion that what that.
Speaker 1: The two brothers, the two other brothers, they suggested that
Speaker 1: we just we should go to the police department. Right, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: me and my brother already this is already, this is
Speaker 1: already probably an hour into already, what are what happened?
Speaker 1: So the situation was already done with. And besides that,
Speaker 1: me and my brother, we were so soft spoken ourselves anyways,
Speaker 1: and we and like I said, we don't like any
Speaker 1: confrontational type of situation. We don't like going to the
Speaker 1: police for just bandom stuff like that. Especially you've been
Speaker 1: to go to the police department and you know, telling
Speaker 1: them that we just saw three big foots playing in
Speaker 1: the playground. You know it's this It ain't gonna happen
Speaker 1: for us because we had Me and my brother has
Speaker 1: enough sense that first of all, we just got to
Speaker 1: that town within just days, within three days to a week,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, it was pretty it was a pretty
Speaker 1: quick evolution that happened. But for us to show up
Speaker 1: in the town where nobody knows us and then here
Speaker 1: we are telling, telling, talking about a big foot story.
Speaker 1: We you know, me and my brother just don't want
Speaker 1: to have that type of a tension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not starting out great.
Speaker 1: Well at all. So and me and my brother eve
Speaker 1: at fifteen, we had a lot of common sense, and
Speaker 1: we purpose talked to the other brothers too. It wasn't
Speaker 1: that it wasn't that hard to talk to them, just say, hey,
Speaker 1: it's it's not worth it. You're just gonna all you're
Speaker 1: gonna do is a bye, all of this to be ridiculed, basically.
Speaker 1: So that's and that's basically what happened. We just all decided, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah we're not We're not gonna say anything. That's it.
Speaker 1: And then with those two brothers, what's funny about them
Speaker 1: is that we like said when we need were for
Speaker 1: a few days at that point in time, and we
Speaker 1: also went to school with them in high school. But
Speaker 1: after that night we once we once they were a
Speaker 1: home and we went back to our into the apartment
Speaker 1: and stuff. We never hooked back up with these guys again.
Speaker 1: We just we seen them. We weren't we weren't animals.
Speaker 1: We were actually we were still a friendly to him
Speaker 1: and stuff, but we didn't we didn't become like best
Speaker 1: friends with them at all. Yeah, and we never talked
Speaker 1: to him about the situation. Resist for whatever reason, we
Speaker 1: just once we separated, the bigfoot kind of thing just stopped.
Speaker 1: We just didn't talk about it. We didn't definitely talk
Speaker 1: about it while we were in school and and anybody else,
Speaker 1: except when we didn't go back to the apartment complex
Speaker 1: that night. We tried to tell my aunt about what
Speaker 1: was going on. Her and her boyfriend decided they were
Speaker 1: just laughing at us, basically, you know, just joking. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say flat out laughing, but there they knew that.
Speaker 1: They just thought it was just the fact that we
Speaker 1: just showed up and that we're just seeing things or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, that's all the So they were definitely a
Speaker 1: they they definitely didn't leave our story at that particular time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so and when, like I said, matter of fact,
Speaker 1: we didn't even I didn't even tell anybody about our story.
Speaker 1: Like over twenty something years later, basically, uh, me and
Speaker 1: my brother both started working on the the ships we
Speaker 1: started working we were merchant mariners for twenty five years
Speaker 1: and anyways, we were working on the ships, and that's
Speaker 1: when I first my brother did it was even less
Speaker 1: pocket than myself. You know, I was the most boisterous
Speaker 1: out of all, out of me and him, I was
Speaker 1: I'm the one always like to talk little bit, but
Speaker 1: even though I'm still I'm still very reserved and that
Speaker 1: very shy, but I'm just a little bit more vocal
Speaker 1: than my brother. Basically is where I get that point.
Speaker 1: But I ended up telling her I was working on
Speaker 1: a boat with it, and I had a captain who
Speaker 1: I told the story to you, and he was the
Speaker 1: first person. And I was about I was probably about thirty,
Speaker 1: I want to say, I was probably about five or
Speaker 1: thirty six, I think when I when I told him
Speaker 1: that story years later, yeah, you know, and then the
Speaker 1: only sad thing about the only bad thing about that
Speaker 1: was that my captain. You know, he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that just he loves stories and he likes to
Speaker 1: joke around. He likes to talk a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he we were talking in personally that subject he
Speaker 1: came up because he lived he lives that in Tahoe,
Speaker 1: and he was telling me about a lot of his
Speaker 1: bearer encounters and all that stuff. And then, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: I decided to feel comfortable and to say, well, I
Speaker 1: got a story to tell you about Bigfoot. And he
Speaker 1: was and he seemed to be very imbaressed about it,
Speaker 1: right yeah, And I'm telling him the exact same story
Speaker 1: that I'm telling you. And at the end of that story,
Speaker 1: he was pretty excited about it, and he and he
Speaker 1: and he related to me that he that he beat me.
Speaker 1: But later on I found out that he was even
Speaker 1: though if he believed me in art even to this day,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he believed it, but he knew,
Speaker 1: he knew how much of an honest person I was.
Speaker 1: So I just can't believe that he'd even think that
Speaker 1: I wasn't telling him the truth, you know, I just
Speaker 1: I worked with him for about fifteen years, but basically
Speaker 1: he would always he would be telling the story, the
Speaker 1: same story, or he would tell a story every time
Speaker 1: a new person would come in, like a new maid
Speaker 1: or new deckhand would come in, and I was always
Speaker 1: there for I was there for a long time myself.
Speaker 1: He would always have them go ask me to tell
Speaker 1: them about the Bigfoot story. I didn't like that because
Speaker 1: I already I already felt very self conscious about telling
Speaker 1: that story, because it's even to this day, it's embarrassing
Speaker 1: to tell the story, and just just to normal people,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like telling It's just it's an
Speaker 1: embarrassing subject just because you know they're going to look
Speaker 1: at you kind of kind of weird, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So basically, so I had to tell my story quite
Speaker 1: a few different times, or at least a few different times.
Speaker 1: So I kept telling my cap I don't want to
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be kept keep telling people,
Speaker 1: you know that I've got, you know, this brutus story,
Speaker 1: because it's just I don't want to have to deal
Speaker 1: with all that stuff, you know. So that's basically it.
Speaker 1: But but then now we jump up all the until
Speaker 1: just uh, basically this just this last January, that's the
Speaker 1: only time. That's the first time i'd actually became more.
Speaker 1: I actually started telling everybody on Facebook all because I
Speaker 1: joined all these groups. I didn't realize that that Facebook
Speaker 1: had all these uh bigfoot groups, uh pages. So I
Speaker 1: started looking into all that stuff, and then I started
Speaker 1: I joined about a half or not to happen, I
Speaker 1: actually it doesn't. I pick out twelve different I didn't
Speaker 1: want to just join every one of them. I just
Speaker 1: joined like the twelve of the most rate, top rated ones.
Speaker 1: I could see they had the most followers, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, so I just started joining all of them.
Speaker 1: Then I then I decided to do a word a
Speaker 1: word processing where I just wrote out my whole story
Speaker 1: so that way I would have to repeat the same thing,
Speaker 1: so I can just go and cut and paste that
Speaker 1: into the posts. You know, it's it, So I just
Speaker 1: so I just do it one time. All I do
Speaker 1: is just cut and paste my saying story to all
Speaker 1: the all those twenty four groups that I did. And
Speaker 1: not all of those posts accepted my my stories because
Speaker 1: they some of those posts they don't allow certain types
Speaker 1: of stuff, I guess, but the majority of them, majority
Speaker 1: of my of those groups that I did actually posted
Speaker 1: my stove. So and only like a day after that posting,
Speaker 1: which is like basically why on January January first, is right?
Speaker 1: It was the first time I posted, and that was
Speaker 1: the very first day when I got my first person
Speaker 1: that came that that contacted me about a podcast want
Speaker 1: me to be on their podcast station. At this point,
Speaker 1: I didn't I did not even I didn't even know
Speaker 1: what a podcast was. I didn't know what a podcast
Speaker 1: station was. I didn't know anything about a podcast. The
Speaker 1: only thing I don't even talking about what I didn't
Speaker 1: even know what the nerve. I didn't even know the
Speaker 1: term podcast. But I knew Joe like Joe Rogan, which
Speaker 1: I watched here, but I didn't know that was a podcast,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know that. I just know I've watched
Speaker 1: like Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: I mean, you jumped right into the deep end.
Speaker 1: Everything happened. So it was it was crazy because I
Speaker 1: got Linda eastbourn Is is the first person that that
Speaker 1: got to hold me. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know her or not, but she's she's a researcher herself,
Speaker 1: but she goes by her name that but she's a podcaster,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't have like a regular title for her
Speaker 1: pod cast, it's just her name. Yeah, so she got
Speaker 1: she contact moved. I'm going okay. I had to ask
Speaker 1: her what it pot would have meant? But what was it?
Speaker 1: What was a podcast? Right? So so so I didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was. And then she told, yes, she's
Speaker 1: she told me where she was, what she's all about,
Speaker 1: and see, uh, you know, she broadcasts her stuff on
Speaker 1: the YouTube and everything. Because even YouTube I didn't realize
Speaker 1: had all those podcasts on it, you know. And I
Speaker 1: and since then, of course, I've been I've just been
Speaker 1: I've been infatuated with with YouTube. That's my main channel,
Speaker 1: and I've been watching and tools tons of bigfoot uh
Speaker 1: you know, documentary type stuff and podcasts like I said,
Speaker 1: like and like you said earlier, it was I just
Speaker 1: jumped myself into not realizing what was going to follow
Speaker 1: after that, because I ended up doing You're my eighth
Speaker 1: my eighth podcast so forth this point, you know, in
Speaker 1: seven months since January, and then of course one of
Speaker 1: those podcasts, I uh, I actually had to me and
Speaker 1: my brother traveled to a to a It wasn't that far.
Speaker 1: Why it's a couple hours away from us. Well, Santa Cruz.
Speaker 1: There's a radio station and apparently that's ah they do
Speaker 1: the nighttime program and it's a It's Natural podcast. So
Speaker 1: we actually went there and this time listened to my
Speaker 1: first time that my brother was actually on with me.
Speaker 1: So now we both were there. So at least the
Speaker 1: nice one with my brother is that that he can
Speaker 1: actually he was my witness as well, so he was
Speaker 1: able to balidate exactly everything I was saying. But but
Speaker 1: of course his his you know, his take on what
Speaker 1: he saw was was at a different vantage point from
Speaker 1: where I was at, which which actually which actually gives
Speaker 1: a lot more credibility to the whole story. Anyways, you know,
Speaker 1: because because of course it's me and my brother. Listen,
Speaker 1: me and my brother was on that fence line right
Speaker 1: next to each other, and we see the same thing,
Speaker 1: and basically we're just boasts telling the same exact story.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that's all that.
Speaker 1: But now that my brother rays involved and you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to you know, validate my my story too,
Speaker 1: and he will tell his part of the story. It
Speaker 1: all ties into both of our stories. Basically, it all
Speaker 1: is the same. It's the same. It was the same encounter,
Speaker 1: even though my encounter was the one that was the
Speaker 1: more frightening part of it.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I was going to ask you, with
Speaker 2: you being the more talkative one, how he felt about
Speaker 2: you coming forward and sharing the encounter. Has he been
Speaker 2: supportive and everything?
Speaker 1: Well, he was definitely supportive of He's kind of embarrassing
Speaker 1: because after I got on and did all these podcasts
Speaker 1: and stuff, because we will do door dashing together right together.
Speaker 1: He does his door dash and I do my door dash.
Speaker 1: And we lived in a section and town where we
Speaker 1: had like a it's a small it's a small community area.
Speaker 1: We've got all these we got like pizza places, we
Speaker 1: got all these different places that and then everybody's gotten
Speaker 1: the nose pretty good. You know, we got our people,
Speaker 1: the store owners, I mean actually actually become pretty uh
Speaker 1: people recognize us and and they know our names. You're
Speaker 1: pretty good. So you know, and now that I know
Speaker 1: these people by name when I go when I started
Speaker 1: doing my podcast and stuff, now I'm starting to brag
Speaker 1: to everybody about my podcast. You know, I've been on podcasts,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this and then uh, you know, going
Speaker 1: to the Santa Cruz. I've also told them about me
Speaker 1: going to Seattle to be on a you know, on
Speaker 1: this uh uh, this show that's gonna be broadcast here
Speaker 1: and whatever. Next year sometime we'll do the documentary. But
Speaker 1: now we're almost kind of becoming like a like a
Speaker 1: like a local celebrity type of situation. You know, as
Speaker 1: I go to this restaurant, to a family restaurant with
Speaker 1: an owner, he comes. I walk in there, and he
Speaker 1: when I first told him about us, you know about
Speaker 1: these podcasts of he you know, he got really into it.
Speaker 1: And then now when I was going in there, at first,
Speaker 1: he was getting me to guys and to go to
Speaker 1: all these customers. He'd be walking into the customers to
Speaker 1: shake their hands and stuff. This is the guy that
Speaker 1: I told you about that was that uh that saw Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was embarrassing. I was still embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I didn't want that. I didn't want that type of attention,
Speaker 1: especially because a big put because then then a crowd
Speaker 1: of people in a restaurant, and I don't like crowds anyways.
Speaker 1: And and and now now we're gonna go back to
Speaker 1: talking about my brother. My brother was even it's definitely
Speaker 1: not hip with being a center of attention whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: he's he was embarrassed. But but the cat was already
Speaker 1: out of the bag, you know, and and there's nothing
Speaker 1: I can do about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, but but now he's become more more into because
Speaker 1: now people are starting to they I tell him about
Speaker 1: all these different podcasts that have been on, and I
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit more, but not in groups.
Speaker 1: I don't like cocking in groups, and I get embarrassed
Speaker 1: and I know there's too many people around, and you know,
Speaker 1: so I don't want that kind of attention. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be known as a celebrity either. I don't
Speaker 1: want that type of atmosphere. I just want to just
Speaker 1: I just want to, you know, be just a normal person.
Speaker 2: You know, well, you are a normal person. You're just
Speaker 2: part of a very uh select few that have witnessed
Speaker 2: bigfoot and uh, you're you're becoming the bigfoot guy of
Speaker 2: your community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I seem started to back my mind, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm mis thinking. Okay, I hope that people aren't looking
Speaker 1: at you. It's like I'm a you know, you know,
Speaker 1: a crazy person, I guess, but but yeah, but people
Speaker 1: know this, you know that they don't know as personally
Speaker 1: as far as our own what we do in our
Speaker 1: lives or anything. But they do know. It's because we
Speaker 1: go into the restaurants and stuff to get the gor
Speaker 1: dash food and oasta. But you know, so don't They
Speaker 1: don't really notice our personal level as far as are
Speaker 1: where we live and all that stuff. But but they
Speaker 1: knew our personalities and they know that who we are
Speaker 1: as me and my brother together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the through respect this one that was you know,
Speaker 2: and your brother went with you, I assume for the
Speaker 2: television show deal, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that was that was the God God
Speaker 1: sends for me too, because you know, because it's one
Speaker 1: thing if you got one person that has experienced the
Speaker 1: uh uh, you know, an encounter or whatever, because that's
Speaker 1: and all that comes out to me is your own story.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have anything to back. You don't
Speaker 1: have any kind of collaborations of any kind. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have validation, you don't have anybody to help
Speaker 1: the firm what you got. So so they particularly like that.
Speaker 1: The producers really really predictably, they loved our story because
Speaker 1: of the fact that we were of course twins. For
Speaker 1: one thing, because when they're asking me questions about about
Speaker 1: my about the very first thing through rule. But we're
Speaker 1: both actually and we both had our own interviews separately,
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be all tied into the to the
Speaker 1: episode because they're going to be doing a lot of editing.
Speaker 1: But so mine came up first, and all they wanted
Speaker 1: we would do for the first half an hour or
Speaker 1: even an hour, is to ask me what I felt
Speaker 1: about my brother, you know, tell me about Ray. Tell
Speaker 1: me about Ray. And I would start talking about Ray,
Speaker 1: and then I'll start kind of drifting off a little
Speaker 1: bit more and drift on me and started sort of
Speaker 1: talking about something else that made it to the big book, right,
Speaker 1: and then they're they're really moved back in and then
Speaker 1: they say, oh, yeah, so tell me about Ray. They
Speaker 1: did this about two or there different times, and you know,
Speaker 1: and and then I said, but Outdoor grew last to
Speaker 1: me that you know, they're very friendly, but they definitely
Speaker 1: calmed me down. The way they were talking to me.
Speaker 1: We're just talking like just normal people, you know. Just
Speaker 1: I felt I felt very comfortable with me, and the
Speaker 1: lady that was the the one doing the talking for
Speaker 1: me with me asked me the questions and stuff. This
Speaker 1: is funny. I just got to kind of laughing and said, okay,
Speaker 1: so we're talking about my brother, you know. But I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that they were just trying to gather as
Speaker 1: much information different things so they can start blending stuff together.
Speaker 1: And then of course it started, and then I started
Speaker 1: doing the it's nicely. They just asked me questions about
Speaker 1: different parts of my story and stuff, and I pretty
Speaker 1: much told the whole story of the summer. It was
Speaker 1: like stop every once in a while, like let's say
Speaker 1: the airplane by, we'd have to stop so we're on
Speaker 1: a break and or continue my story. But then they
Speaker 1: then they'd go down and then we want to talk
Speaker 1: about my childhood. We kind of booked around a lot
Speaker 1: to the story, but eventually I did tell the whole story.
Speaker 1: It's just that they're gonna be blending everything together. We're
Speaker 1: all flows in the one and that includes my cot
Speaker 1: so that includes my brother, you know. So and there's
Speaker 1: definitely a lot of that. They definitely brought more of
Speaker 1: a personality out of both me and my brother, because
Speaker 1: there's usually things that I usually say is more of
Speaker 1: a joking manner that I'd usually saved trends and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, And I was not loose where I can.
Speaker 1: Actually I had a lot of pretty good comic type
Speaker 1: of the atmosphere going on the times, if my stories
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, my analogy of what was going on.
Speaker 1: And then when they got my brother, even be though
Speaker 1: they got my brother, so my brother was coming up
Speaker 1: next after after my I I even warned him, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: this is it. My brother only has my My brother
Speaker 1: only has like media maybe a five minute discussion at
Speaker 1: the most, because first of all, he doesn't like to
Speaker 1: talk anyways. And my brother, as far as he was concerned,
Speaker 1: all he wanted to do is just just basically just say, hey,
Speaker 1: I seen three bigfoots coming from my right hand side
Speaker 1: and the last time I seen him on my left
Speaker 1: hand side. And that was it. That's what my brother
Speaker 1: just wanted to say, kind of like in that in
Speaker 1: that aspect of it all, you know, I said that
Speaker 1: you're probably you know my my interview with these with
Speaker 1: the production was a about two hours or so now
Speaker 1: that and I had to wonder them and I told
Speaker 1: because I you know, my crew was laid out the
Speaker 1: line about my brother being a lot more reserved and
Speaker 1: shy than I am, even though we're both shy. I
Speaker 1: was was always saying I had like one or two
Speaker 1: friends at the most at any given time, and we
Speaker 1: both had that. We both shared the same friends, you know,
Speaker 1: so we we didn't like big groups. So uh yes,
Speaker 1: So then so I already wanted him. I say, you're
Speaker 1: probably you're probably the best of you didn't probably get
Speaker 1: out of and then maybe half an hour if you
Speaker 1: pull it out of him. But then I was totally
Speaker 1: surprised because once once in my interview ended, Uh, they
Speaker 1: had to, they needed to take a break. Anyway, as
Speaker 1: they came out, they told Ray, we're gonna get back
Speaker 1: to you by another twenty minutes. So allowed me enough
Speaker 1: time to talk to my brother and just say, hey,
Speaker 1: that's because my brother's already nervous. He didn't he really
Speaker 1: didn't even want to be there. Okay, so here's the
Speaker 1: He's like I said, he wanted to get in and
Speaker 1: out of there as quickly as possible, and he was
Speaker 1: already mad because it took so long. And now that
Speaker 1: I'm done, here's really now that I'm relieved that the
Speaker 1: whole thing was over for myself. Now he knew that
Speaker 1: he had to come up and start talking that he didn't,
Speaker 1: and he was very reserved. But I told him I
Speaker 1: had to relax him and tell him, hey, it's not
Speaker 1: what you think. These people. These people are actually very
Speaker 1: it's just like you're talking to and they're just gonna
Speaker 1: be I told him that they're just gonna be bouncing around,
Speaker 1: They're gonna just be asking me questions, so you didn't
Speaker 1: have to worry about just just going and start talking
Speaker 1: like I do. Like like a story. I just told you,
Speaker 1: I went through the whole my whole story, and the
Speaker 1: whole process of the story without being interrupted, of course.
Speaker 1: But but with that production team, they just boust around
Speaker 1: and they just asked me questions and stuff. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's and I called my brother down and by the
Speaker 1: time he got out, his took almost as long as
Speaker 1: his interview took as long as my interview did. And
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what how much information they get
Speaker 1: out of because his part of the story was only
Speaker 1: a matter of just just to you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: only a couple of minutes, you know. So I was
Speaker 1: very surprised that they got, is it, whatever information they got,
Speaker 1: they really did. They wanted to find out a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of our family without bringing as well, which I
Speaker 1: came round to that also, so my brother had to
Speaker 1: tie into you know, whatever he can remember of our
Speaker 1: childhood and anything after the fact and won't get through
Speaker 1: a living and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So I kind of have an advantage as a podcast
Speaker 2: host whenever I talk to guests and stuff and correspond
Speaker 2: with them a little bit, and you know, sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: it goes even further after the podcast, you know, I
Speaker 2: become friends with them and talk to them on a
Speaker 2: regular basis, and you get to know the people, and
Speaker 2: the people that have these experiences, have stories, they have backgrounds,
Speaker 2: they're normal people, you know, and a lot of times
Speaker 2: people just hear the Bigfoot story and that's it, and
Speaker 2: then they make their judgments going off the story without
Speaker 2: actually knowing the person. So hopefully this TV show will
Speaker 2: paint a picture of who you and your brother are
Speaker 2: as people you know, and where you came from and everything.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I believe so. Like I said, even with
Speaker 1: all this sorts of the thing I've done, and I've
Speaker 1: only done any of the major resource, uh the research
Speaker 1: I've done, It's just been the last seven months and
Speaker 1: I didn't even know where that the Patterson Gimman film
Speaker 1: site was even at I know where the area is
Speaker 1: at because I've been up there lots of times. I've
Speaker 1: been through uh Willow Creek, I've been on a motorcycle
Speaker 1: ride and stuff, and but I didn't realize that that's
Speaker 1: where the that Giveman firm set was located. And and
Speaker 1: being that close, and then I also guarantee you that
Speaker 1: even with all this other stuff going on, I can
Speaker 1: almost guarantee you that there's probably I mean, who knows
Speaker 1: one hundred thousands more people that that that that have
Speaker 1: stories but just choose not to tell the story because
Speaker 1: of they might be people like Moon that don't want
Speaker 1: to be ridly cuted, you know, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: most and most of those people are the people that
Speaker 1: live in the outskirts of town. Basically, they're not they're
Speaker 1: not gonna didn't people are not gonna see a big
Speaker 1: foot walking down the main drag or anything. So they're
Speaker 1: not living near and close to the mountain ranges or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere where the big Brits can hide, you know,
Speaker 1: based on farm land and stuff. You know, you hear
Speaker 1: a lot about that too. But most of those people
Speaker 1: are pretty logical people. I mean, they're just they seen
Speaker 1: something for sure, you know. And and those people do
Speaker 1: that a little of them and are planted in certain
Speaker 1: areas that see these bigfoot they see they seen the
Speaker 1: same group of bigfoots all the time. This is you know.
Speaker 1: I always thought that when you see a bigfoot that
Speaker 1: that was probably given me the last time you see it.
Speaker 1: It's just a one time deal, you know, which is
Speaker 1: what happened to me. I didn't realize that those people
Speaker 1: that are living along the edges of the of the
Speaker 1: of the wilderness, that that that frequently frequently see these
Speaker 1: same creatures, you know, like the same family of creatures,
Speaker 1: you know, sewing up on their properties and stuff, and
Speaker 1: they have multiple sidings and encounters.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean interactions or what I call interactions
Speaker 2: where you've got certain situations where somebody lives somewhere just
Speaker 2: in the right spot, and bigfoot comes on their property
Speaker 2: or crosses through their property every now and then, and
Speaker 2: they realize that the bigfoot aren't a threat, just like
Speaker 2: you did. And the bigfoot more importantly realizes that person
Speaker 2: isn't a threat. Uh yeah. There's sightings and encounters that
Speaker 2: go on for years and years, sometimes multiple generations in
Speaker 2: one family.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just it's crazy. Even and even like
Speaker 1: I said, I even found out of course that that
Speaker 1: that that that that community or the county that I
Speaker 1: live in has has the most amount of UH reports
Speaker 1: of bigfoot out of the whole state of California, well
Speaker 1: basically whole Mountain Range basically has the most amount of
Speaker 1: the reporting of bigfoots. And some are pretty recent big plusses.
Speaker 1: One's running in the Marble Mountains, which is actually the
Speaker 1: closer than the Passer. I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 1: that one with a boy Scout. The boy Scouts seen
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot. They're just not very long ago.
Speaker 2: It's all yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Have you
Speaker 2: seen there's a video out there that's pretty popular, or
Speaker 2: at least it used to be years ago of uh.
Speaker 2: I believe it's in Russia. They're they're speaking a language
Speaker 2: that sounds Russian or Eastern European of some kind, and
Speaker 2: they just show a bigfoot or what's supposed to be
Speaker 2: a bigfoot, but it's jumping like you were talking about.
Speaker 2: It's like leaping from right to left through the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that particularly, I can't I can't recall if I've
Speaker 1: seen that one. Or not, because I've been watching so
Speaker 1: many of many ways. Yeah, but I've definitely seen ones
Speaker 1: like you're explaining. I've definitely seen something.
Speaker 2: I'll send you a copy of it because I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to hear your opinion on it. Okay, yeah, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: because you are the first person that I've ever talked
Speaker 2: to that described them leaping.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I realized that either, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it was just weird. Yeah, of course I attributed that
Speaker 1: to the fact that they're just leaping over the taller
Speaker 1: grass and stuff anyway, so it's stuck out be a
Speaker 1: normal thing that maybe other people might have seen too.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't really think about what other people,
Speaker 1: you know, other stories about how they.
Speaker 2: Well everybody has different encounters, you know, so that that's fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just interesting. I definitely want to get
Speaker 2: your opinion on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course, and some people get have that
Speaker 1: that real bad smell of a big putting everything, which
Speaker 1: I didn't encounter, you know, and the different things like
Speaker 1: there's no eye shine, no, no no croaking. It was
Speaker 1: just to me, I look at it. It's definitely a
Speaker 1: a flesh of blood creature is what I looked at
Speaker 1: it as you know, as normal as you and I
Speaker 1: is what I experienced. I mean, I'm not saying that,
Speaker 1: and I'm not down play anybody else's experience, even when
Speaker 1: it comes to UFOs and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if I could give you a bit of advice,
Speaker 2: as somebody that's been around for a really long time
Speaker 2: in the Bigfoot community or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: don't get caught up in all that stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: you know what your encounter was, and that's the information
Speaker 2: that you have to add to the puzzle. And people
Speaker 2: can take it as they want, you know, if they
Speaker 2: want to argue that that's not how it really happened
Speaker 2: and you're wrong about this, and you know, like it's
Speaker 2: easy to get caught up in all that. And I
Speaker 2: sincerely hope that doesn't happen with you, or.
Speaker 1: It doesn't at all, because even on my Facebook, I
Speaker 1: would I talk to people on a dipper groups or anything,
Speaker 1: and and you're always getting people that are just trying
Speaker 1: to debate me, you know, I always I just pretty
Speaker 1: much shut them down right away. I just say first
Speaker 1: I just say, first of all, I'm not really I'm
Speaker 1: already well past the debating stage of my situation because
Speaker 1: I'm already a nowherre anyways. And first of all, and
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for somebody else to validate what I
Speaker 1: know exists myself. I've already got all that stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not even trying to condense anybody.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to I just tell my story as
Speaker 1: it goes. And I also tell them that really the
Speaker 1: uh uh, the debunking really falls upon those you know
Speaker 1: that are trying to find the truth themselves or even
Speaker 1: you know, you know. That's basically where I look at it.
Speaker 1: It's their responsibility to try to find the truth. It's
Speaker 1: not my responsibility. I like I said at the same time,
Speaker 1: with you tell me that when you tell a me,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just just just give them my story.
Speaker 1: And that's all I can do, you know, That's all
Speaker 1: I either way. But this is the first time my
Speaker 1: story has been is actually public. It's it's public now,
Speaker 1: it's public knowledge, it's recorded because I did the bf
Speaker 1: R O just last week. I submitted my whole claim.
Speaker 1: I did the whole word processing thing and and ould
Speaker 1: story and everything, and that's that's still under review. And
Speaker 1: all this stuff that's gonna take probably months before it
Speaker 1: gets posted on the bfr BFRO website. And then you know,
Speaker 1: they and and and it goes from county and it
Speaker 1: will go all the way down to all the counties
Speaker 1: in California. For where is what state? I pushed on anyways?
Speaker 1: But so yeah, so what my story is just another
Speaker 1: record as far as we're ore, you know, and and
Speaker 1: it gives it's just another place where they could put
Speaker 1: a little period on on a map showing that there's
Speaker 1: a siding you know, whost all the hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of other uh sighting side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the grand scheme of things, yes, but for
Speaker 2: you it's something much more. It's much more than a pinpoint.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for me for sure, I, like I said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: besides that, like I said, he'd just given my report
Speaker 1: and every thing. But at least that's adding to it.
Speaker 1: But I also I've got grandkids too, you know. And
Speaker 1: I when I did, you know, even before I even
Speaker 1: started talking to you right now, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: mention that I actually the first thing I did was
Speaker 1: write a book. I wrote a book of my story
Speaker 1: and I published it every since then, I actually dropped
Speaker 1: it after a couple of months because I wasn't making
Speaker 1: any money off of the news. But I did. I
Speaker 1: wrote a book and it published, and I got copies
Speaker 1: where I just I said, I gave a I autographed
Speaker 1: it for my grandkids, you know, and I had a
Speaker 1: couple from my my sons and stuff. So if everything
Speaker 1: else I ever told my sons, even if they don't
Speaker 1: believe me or not, I want my grandkids and I
Speaker 1: want them to know at least know who I am,
Speaker 1: at least what basically that I did, you know, certain
Speaker 1: things I did when I was growing up. Whether they
Speaker 1: think it's true or not, it doesn't matter. But either ways,
Speaker 1: if they do come up with the truth anytime during
Speaker 1: their lifetime, if they do discover Bigfoot, at least they
Speaker 1: know that that that you know, they said their grandfather,
Speaker 1: which be me, They're gonna they're gonna say, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: my my grandfather was was was one of the Bigfoot knowers.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, you know, But any ways, it's a good story.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't even if you don't believe that story,
Speaker 1: it's it's still a good story. It's hard to even
Speaker 1: believed that all those circumstances that was evolved in this
Speaker 1: situation that I can't believe it either. You have three
Speaker 1: big poots and you have three different three people on
Speaker 1: each side of the teams all the way from that
Speaker 1: point and then and then the point where my sister
Speaker 1: and her boyfriend decided to go crawling out in the
Speaker 1: grass and then left move there, visualizing just two other
Speaker 1: figures sitting there. I just can't believe how that even happened.
Speaker 1: I didn't even see them come up, and they got
Speaker 1: themselves in that position, the bridge place, those two of
Speaker 1: the big person are sitting there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Whenever I was a researcher and used to go out
Speaker 2: in the field looking for these things, we used to
Speaker 2: talk about how nothing is perfect, and sometimes these things
Speaker 2: make mistakes, sometimes they slip up. And I believe that
Speaker 2: that night they slipped up there. There was no anticipation
Speaker 2: of six kids hiding out in the dark. There was
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't know that y'all were out there
Speaker 2: playing guns or whatever and hiding along that fence line,
Speaker 2: and they just slipped up.
Speaker 1: Well, And the thinking was that they're probably on that
Speaker 1: same path, they probably been through that same path where
Speaker 1: they're headed, what they were walking through that through many
Speaker 1: if they did many other times or whatever, The fact is,
Speaker 1: we trapped them. Yeah, matter of fact, now you just
Speaker 1: mentioned that, this is the first time I ever thought
Speaker 1: about that. I didn't think that we actually trapped them
Speaker 1: in between. We were we're basically out each trapped them.
Speaker 1: We were on each side of their their pathways.
Speaker 2: I mean, which other direction could they go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they couldn't. Yeah, I think, of course, I didn't
Speaker 1: think about the aspect of us actually trapping them where
Speaker 1: they were at, because because my team went around the
Speaker 1: other side of the school anyways on the street and
Speaker 1: went and kme got way, so that if there's those
Speaker 1: big foods were probably right there hiding right there on
Speaker 1: the side of the of the of the school.
Speaker 2: Anyways where there aren't any lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's no lights right there. So when we
Speaker 1: ran past them, probably in front of that screw and
Speaker 1: went around the other side, getting over to the fart
Speaker 1: of the side of the through, we were actually in
Speaker 1: trapping them, being being my other team being on the
Speaker 1: other side over at the apartments right in between, and
Speaker 1: they had to walk in between us.
Speaker 2: If they knew you were there, before they saw you,
Speaker 2: or before you saw them. Rather, they probably thought, give
Speaker 2: them some time, they'll leave out of the area or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's nighttime. Kids aren't here at nighttime, and they thought
Speaker 2: you had left the area because you guys hunkered down
Speaker 2: and hid and got quiet, you know.
Speaker 1: And even at the point when they when they when
Speaker 1: they were looking at me, when I was right there
Speaker 1: at the fence line, right there, they probably they even
Speaker 1: probably knew that I wasn't like a food grown man either,
Speaker 1: you know. Oh for sure, probably had since that we
Speaker 1: were just we're not like like kid's kids, you know,
Speaker 1: these young kids, but they probably had a feeling that
Speaker 1: we weren't not that we definitely weren't no a threat
Speaker 1: because we're pretty They were pretty quiet anyways, for one pain,
Speaker 1: But I guarantee you that those two that were sitting
Speaker 1: there definitely knew where I was at, especially with me
Speaker 1: whispering back at him trying to tell them to be quiet,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But then you also have the the variable of your
Speaker 2: sister and her boyfriend hiding off in the grass, giggling
Speaker 2: and cutting up with one another, and they may not
Speaker 2: have seen them, They may not have had their location.
Speaker 2: They might have been younger than the other ones. The
Speaker 2: other ones might have the one that ran up on
Speaker 2: you might have been the one in charge though, I
Speaker 2: mean they could have been too juveniles with an adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where that's what kind of like where look
Speaker 1: at two? Is that that that was? I know that
Speaker 1: was definitely the more the aggressor of the of the three,
Speaker 1: even though it was so many aggression, It's just is
Speaker 1: the one that was more in charge? It looked like
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to unpack with your encounter, a lot.
Speaker 1: Blinya, even even to this day, although all through the
Speaker 1: years I've written my own journalist anyway, So that's why
Speaker 1: I remember everybody's names and stuff. I remember the two
Speaker 1: brothers names. I remember my sister's boyfriend's name. But now
Speaker 1: my brother he can't remember any of their names. Because
Speaker 1: this this this situation didn't dramatize. It seemed like it
Speaker 1: did me, And so I kept a lot of this
Speaker 1: information that I moved because I was always thinking about
Speaker 1: it throughout the years. And I've written journals myself without
Speaker 1: showing you. I didn't sew anybody, even my brother. I
Speaker 1: just swooth I might need showing this and That's why
Speaker 1: that's what I used to actually helped write my book
Speaker 1: as well as I just went through my journals and
Speaker 1: stuff and then and and remembering, and then we were
Speaker 1: reading that stuff, You're just remembering every detail you know
Speaker 1: that's going on. And so that's where I'm at with
Speaker 1: that too. You know, it's it's just a crazy deal.
Speaker 2: And if you have had your own encounter with Bigfoot
Speaker 2: and you'd like to share your story on the podcast,
Speaker 2: email me at Bigfoot Crossroad at gmail dot com. Check
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Speaker 2: all in one place. And until next time, remember there's
Speaker 2: something in the woods.
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