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Speaker 1: It's hard even believed that all those circumstances that was

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evolved and you have three big foots and you have

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three different three people on each side all the way

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from that point and then and then the point where

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my sister and her boyfriend decided to go crawling out

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in the grass and then left move there, visualizing just

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two other figures sitting there. I just can't believe the

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hell that even happened. I didn't even see them, and

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they got themselves in that position in the first place,

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those two of the big posts that are sitting there.

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But then the two other brothers, they suggested that we

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just we should go to the police department, Me and

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my brother. We were so soft spoken ourselves anyways, and

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we and like I said, we don't like any confrontational

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type of situation. We don't like going to the police.

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Especially you can go to the police department and you know,

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tell them that we just saw three big foots playing

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in the playground. You know it is this, It ain't

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gonna happen for us.

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Speaker 2: Gurtis, thanks for joining me on Bigfoot Crossroads. Yes, take

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us back to nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me start out with I got an

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identical twin brother, so without him being involved. And there's

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other there's also two other individuals that were that witnessed

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the uh these creatures at the same time that I did.

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And there's actually three there's three big poots all together.

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Oh wow, So I assume that there there's a there's

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like a family of three, but without them or actually

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the two built. The other two individual were just kids

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that we had met and just and and we have

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since I haven't really kept in touching them anyways. But

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so basically its just me and my brother that can

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verify with each other of what we saw. But anyways,

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so back in eighty three US we were living in

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in the town of gua Rika, California, and that town

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is it's slow cared about ten miles from the Oregon border.

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And it's also since right at the east side, right

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at the bottom of the mountain, but it's right there

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at the the Klamath National Forest. Okay, it's in northern

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California and it's right there along the side of the

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Interstate five. If you know anything about California, there's an

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interstate fight that the five that go that runs all

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way from Mexico all wro up to Canada. Yeah, and

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it goes right, it goes right straight up to the

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center of all the you know California, Oregon and uh

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and the Washington right up right to Canada. Uh So,

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anybody's back in w Rica. Like I said, you've got

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the mountains right there, this's the that whole mountain range

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right there just fro way Rica. If you're going west,

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it's just it's just nothing but forested on just thick,

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thick forests. And there's no there's like small communities that

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spread out this whole on this Hordle Mountain Range, but

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there's no towns of any kind that I can remember

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that way. That's all just big, thick forests. And there's

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like just the national force itself right there at Klamatha

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National Forest. That's like one point seven million acres right there.

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But that whole mountain range, there's other it connects with

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other uh you know, national forests and everything. You got

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the Marble Mountains, and you also got the you got

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the Trinity National Forest, and you also have the it's

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there was Six Rivers National Forest, which is also that's

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where the that what you call Bluff Creek, which is

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where the where the Gimblin film. The film site was

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made right there, Bluff Creek. If everybody knows what that

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one is the Patterson.

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Speaker 2: Getting them from, Oh for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's and that's not And as as the

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crow flies from way Rica, it's only about seventy miles

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you know, if you're looking right straight over the hill

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from where where why Rika is at. So we're on

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the same mountain range and basically sisk County. I just

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I just lived them doing. There's some research that that

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whole Siske County in way Rika area, it's it's got

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the most signings in California, probably because of the whole

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first of the you know, the whole first and everything. Yeah,

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and then over you know, if you're looking right over

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the coast towards the coast, there's also the redwoods, so

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that's pretty thick over there too. It's pretty nice. But

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now back in ry Rika, in nineteen eighty three, my

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brother and my twin brother and I were we were

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fifteen years old, and uh first of all, we we

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moved around a lot. We have our dad was a

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cook and the uh so to our whole childhood, we

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were moving constantly. We moved from town to town. We uh,

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you know, we're talking about least once or twice a

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year we moved. We didn't stay one screw at more

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more than a year at at the very most. And

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then we also moved sometimes, you know, two to two

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or three times a year. That's how much. That's how

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much traveling we've done and litting all over California and Oregon.

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to we came from Oregon to come back into California

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and our aunt was living in wy Arika. Well, we

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already knew wherehy Rica was too. We've always been there.

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We'd stop in to get gassing, but we'd never you know,

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anytime we're traveling back and forth to Oregon and California,

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would always stop there to get gas every time we

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were doing our travel. But our aunt happened to just

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end up living there as soon as there maybe about

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a year so before we actually arrived. And so this

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is the first time we actually got to go to

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Wayrika and stay there. But our parents dropped us, me

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and my brother and along with our two member siblings

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dropped us off with our aunts. So my mom and

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dad and travel around California to try to find a

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place to live, even though they did come back to

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Wyrika anyways a couple months later, and we ended up

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living in Wyreka.

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Speaker 2: But at this time you were just staying with your aunt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where's still with my aunt now they ain't. Part

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of the town of Wareka is basically right there along

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the along the freeway of the I five, where all

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the stores and restaurants and everything else, you know, and

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the population of the whole town is like thirty five

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hundred people at the time. And then where my aunt

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was living was in It was in an apartment complex

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and that was about that was about two rocks west

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of the of the main part of town there, and

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it's just a small residential neighborhood. But the apartment complexes

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is right next door to a grade school and the

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grade school is a there was a one grade one,

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two five, So it's got mostly just small kids there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course this.

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Speaker 1: Was the summertime anyways. And I only mentioned the school

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because this is actually is the place where we actually

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had our encounter. So that's why I got to described

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what the school and everything around where we were at

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and everything. Now where the apartment complex and the screw

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in between each other. There's no there's no fence at all.

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the front of our of the apartment suite was facing

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the opposite direction where the schools at, which is the

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north side of the schools on the north side of

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the apartment complex. So for us to get into the

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school yard, we just have to go around the backside

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or the side of the apartment complex to go just

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walk right through the field to get into the to

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the school. And on the west, on the whole western

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side of that of the school property was a big

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eight foot eight to ten for chaining fence that went

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all the way up and down north and south in

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that whole perimeter, and that's where the soccer slash baseball

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field was located. Now, then on the very north on

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that north corner basically of the of the school grounds,

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the north west corners where the baseball diamonds at. And

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then right on connected to the eight point fence was

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a man gate, so you can walk through that. But

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towards the mountains. Now your head looking towards the West.

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that's owned by the city and it's just it's undeveloped

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and that covered you know, quite a few acres. But

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it went from a screw There was about you know,

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threw up one hundred yards just looking but just dry

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grass and a lot of weeds, you know, tall weeds

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like three or through three foot weeds, and then all

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the whole perimeters this had a whole bunch of rowing

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uh dirt. Now it's basically it's very unstable area. And

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there's also got a lot of strawberry and everything three

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thick show in some spots.

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Speaker 2: So the city wasn't keeping it up or anything.

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Speaker 1: No, not that particular part of the property. There's a yeah,

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so I don't know, but they did recently. It's actually

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I can see that that that whole community is it's

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all it's all housing, it's all community. Now.

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if it's changed a lot since then.

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you know, look at the area that I I seem

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my big putting everything and that's totally different. So anyways, yeah,

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so then there be all on that field, like I said,

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about four four hundred yards. It's just a there was

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a just a little residential neighborhood one street up there

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that just that's right next to the bottom of the

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of the sleep of the steep slope that goes up

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to the towards the mountains into the mountains. So that's

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it was, but it's pretty easy travel come to there. See.

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couple of brothers, me and my me and my brother,

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we didn't know anybody. We just go down to the

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park in town there and and we ended up meeting

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a couple of brothers there and uh there's there were

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the same age as we were, so they were the

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ones we were hanging out with and we only knew

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them for a couple of days. But when when this

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incident happened. We also have my younger sister who ended

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up having a like a little thing with the with

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the with the kid that was about two years older

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than me and my brother, my sister was only thirteen

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and this this guy, this kid was like seventeen. So anyways,

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they're they're kind of a short term I had a

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short term thing going on. But they're both also with

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us in this in this particular encounter. Now we moved

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forward to the day, the day that this happened, and

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middle of summer, and so it was very hot. It

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was actually we had like a drought going on at

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the time, and uh, the tempters definitely was. It was

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degrees and uh, you know, so anywhere from one hundred

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one hundred to one hundred tenets. So it was very

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warm out and even were heay, we tried, we stayed

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in most of the time because it's still hot out,

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you know. So I mean, now these uh, the two

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brothers came to our aarper complex where we were where

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we were staying with my aunt. We already ate dinner,

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was already getting dumb, it was already getting dark. Anyways,

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the sun was already going over and we were already

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expecting we're already expecting the two brothers to show up. Anyways,

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and it was very bright with stars and everything, so

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it's pretty bright in that aspect. And then so we

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were outside talking with the brothers and everything, and then

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so one of the brothers decided that to they wanted

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to play a game. They wanted to play a game

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of what we call duns, but it's mostly like a

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hide and go seek. We had a team, we had

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one and the other team of three, which was my team.

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not usually that even at this particular time in our life,

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we weren't we like playing those kind of games, but

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we decided to do it because the two brothers just

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were pretty consistent on wanting to do something. So that's

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what we decided to do. So now we had my

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sister and her and her boyfriend join in with us,

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and like I said, now me and my twin brother

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we were the team captains because they nobody wanted us

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to be on the same team together, you know. So

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on his team. So so now we got three on

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our team. So basically, uh, I won a coin toss

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to where we got to go hide first. So it

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was up to my brother's team to be searching for us.

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fake you know, we just use our fingers, you know,

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to shoot, you know, we're got that's basically where that's

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specially where since we're gonna be just a back like

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we're gonna shoot each other. But we didn't have any

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we didn't really have a really good plan. We just

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it was more like a hide and go seek type

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of game, you know. So it's kind of a little

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bit different than what what I thought we were going

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to do. But anyway, so now my brother had to

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count down. My brother's team had to count down from

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one hundred, so that way that would give us my

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team enough time to you know, get some distance away.

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So the only the old kind of rules of that

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came up with is that we wanted that we couldn't

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go and we had to stay within the screw property

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or over on the other side of that fence with

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where that where the city properties at uh on the

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other side of the screw, So that was the only

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real rules we have. We didn't have anything else set up,

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you know, we're just we just had the other team

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that'll be looking for us. So now my brother's team

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started to counting down and then we just went at

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my team, We just went around the other outside where

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the screw was at, and just ran around the other

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uh uh over to the other side, and we ran

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all up to where the northwest corner of the screw was,

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and that's where the baseball diamond was at. So there's

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a little there was a little four foot fencerack there

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that once along got north the perimeter of the screw property,

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but always had to jump over that real quick. And

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so my team just went and laid down right behind

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the baseball diamond. And like I said, there's the man

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gate right behind us also right there on on that

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chain League fence. So now at this point I didn't

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know exactly where my brother's team was at. You know,

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we're hiding. And the light said, and the stoke it

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was bright enough. The lights were from the stars was

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pretty bright gave them. So we can actually see the

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field pretty eastly, you know, but any anything that's walking around,

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if you just see like a shadowy figures because it

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was it wasn't that line out. But we can also

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see from the baseball dim and we could see the

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apartment complex that had lights from there, and behind the

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school where the kids school on the playgrounds that had

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had some lighting there. And we also see we can

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also see the street lights on the other side of

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both the apartments and the and the school there. So

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there was a little bit of light. It wasn't like

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the good enough that we could see details or everything.

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But now my brother's team is actually located right basically

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on the school grounds, but right next to the next

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to the apartment complex, whis basically diagonal from where we

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were at. We're you know, estimating what maybe one hundred

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and fifty feet maybe or something like that, you know,

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just as an estimate. So now what these when these

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creatures showed up, it was it took a while because

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we were sitting there. My team was laying down behind

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that baseball battling for I would say at least a

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four or five minutes, you know, because we were waiting

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for the other team because they're supposed to be looking

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for us. And I'm not sure why my brother decided

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to just to hold off. They were just kicking back,

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I guess. But they're also laid down in the grass

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as well. So basically, like I said, about five minutes

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goes by. But now my brother's team, they were the

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first rooms that got to see these bigfoots come into

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the pictures because those bigfoots were right through on the

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side of the school, right right in between the school

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and that complex, the armor complex. There's no lighting right

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there in that to their section because it's right on

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the side of the school, so it's kind of dark

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right there. Yeah, but there's a but there's a street

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right there, there's a little there's like an access for

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right next for the for the school workers right next

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to the school, especially in between the school and the

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and the apartment complex. But that's what the bigfoots were

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came walking out of. They came walking and and they

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started and they were heading towards that, towards the field

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and towards that changing fence. And as they were walking,

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they were they were walking about ten or fifteen feet

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apart apart from each other, and they're, like I said,

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there's three of them. So now they're walking in front

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of my brother. They're looking at my brother and his

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team are looking at these figures walking in front of them,

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and none of my brother or his team, they didn't

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want to say nothing. They just sat there and watched

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these creutures just walking front of them. They're probably about

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fifty feet in front of U with my brother and

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we're laying down. They let them walk by, and they

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kind of went to a little bit of a shock

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and everything, and they couldn't they really couldn't believe what

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they were looking at. But they didn't say anything because

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they didn't want to. They didn't want to draw attention

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to it, watching these creatures walk in front of them

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like that. It wasn't until the big puts got all

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the way down and got within a you know, ten

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or fifteen feet from the the fence when they actually

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looked at each other and started they definitely they started

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whispering each other. The one of the brothers said, Hey,

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that's that's bigfoot, you know, And that's it. That's all

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it was, And they all knew, they all agreed for

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sure that that's exactly what they're looking at. It was

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a big It was big. There's three of them, and

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uh and their estimated size of these were you know,

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just you know, some were over They're definitely over six

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feet because the two brothers were like six feet tall themselves,

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and they they they permiss and that they these big

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foots were even taller than they or so, so that's

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my understanding there. But we also came to a conclusion

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later on that there were probably the juveniles bigfoot, you know,

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after after analyzing all the stuff that we were thinking

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about after after the fact. But meanwhile, when they did,

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when my brother's team watched these bigfoots up, yet two

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of the acts were that fence. Like I said, this

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fence is at least eight feet I for some reason

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think it's like almost ten feet tall. But because I've

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climbed that fence before myself, and I'm I was five

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seven myself, it just seems like eight foot would need

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that big of a deal. But I remember having to

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crawl up that defence before. It seems like it's about

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ten feet tall, but it's it's it's anywhere from eight

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to ten. So that's that's a lot better to just

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to think that that way, I guess. So basically, when

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these bigfoots got to the fence, the biggest went out

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of the out of the through biofoots that were there.

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He all he did he or she, I can't wait

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tell you what's what it would. But all it did

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is is grab the top. It just grabbed hold of

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the top of the fence and just yanked it soap

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up and just threw it soap on the other side

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of the just on the other side to that to

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the property of the city.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, the other two, the other two bigots, they decided

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they just walked right back down the fence line back

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towards the apartment complex, uh opery line there, and then

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the fence just stops right there at the property line anyways,

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and all you have to, oh, you have to just

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walk right around the fence and then you back then

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you're in that undeveloped piece of property there. And that's

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basically that's basically what my brother had seen. Now in

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my situation, I will go back to where I was at.

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I was we were behind here. I actually remember I

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started to fall asleep of it. I just I dozed

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off anyways, But when those big foots came into the

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started across some where my brother was at, my sister

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nudged me, uh and kind of woke me up and

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the other the boyfriend, he was right there too. He

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actually said, hey, there's the other team. You know that's

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coming up. So basically I wiped my eyes off and everything.

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And then and definitely, I guess we definitely see the

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silhouettes walking across. The few of them. Like I said,

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we were probably at least at least one hundred feet

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away from him, So we took we didn't, you know,

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we need to see any details or anything out of them.

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And at this point in time, we're just you know,

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as far as I'm concerned, there's my brother's team, right,

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I mean, like you got three days that's walking. But

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in my own I'm not thinking Bigfoot Denson's not on

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my rank on whatsoever. So you know, why would I

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be thinking about it Bigley, you know. And so like

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I said, and the detail wasn't there's not enough details

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we need even consider that fact. So we watched the

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rock and walking across the into the baseball field. Basiclyek

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come right straight towards the fence, but not really paying attention.

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I was like staring at him or anything like that.

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But you know, but we were definitely I could definitely

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visualize them walking across and so now my uh my

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sister's boyfriend decided he wanted to get up and just

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start blasting away, you know, with our gun fingers, you know.

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And I said, no, no, I don't want to do

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that because we're too far away. So I suggested that

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we just go ahead and just just get ourselves on

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the other side of the fence, even not not knowing

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if they're if that's what they were planing rob doing anyways,

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We didn't know if those figures are gonna jump over

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the fst but at least we would be on the

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other side of the fence, and if those those figures

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came walking down towards that they stayed on the on

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the on the screw grounds, we would still be right

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to on the other side of the fence and we'd

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start blasting away if they came up to us. But

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it turns out that they are on the other side anyways,

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which we didn't know. And like I said, my brother

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told me that that these bigfoot that one bigfoot jump

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over the tainleing fence. Now we were crawling through that fence.

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That proves the same time the throws that those bigfoots

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got to the fence anyways, and I'm holding onto the fence,

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and I don't hear nothing. I don't hear the fence rattle,

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because normally if you're on a if you're going to

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crawl on a tainleing fence, you're gonna hear something. You're

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gonna hear a rattle. You got thurible and all that stuff.

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So so I guarantee that whatever, if that's what they did,

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they that one jumped over the fence. I just did

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it in one fast loop, just went up there and

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I just grabbed a hold and just just flung itself

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over the other side without making a noise, you know.

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And then they probably had that type of the probably

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that agile anyways, where they can do that kind of stuff.

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They probably used to doing that. So, like I said,

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we crawled, you know, we crawled through the other side,

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through the through that manngate. We just crawled through there.

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And then we started heading down off along that ends

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line basically towards the center of the of the field there,

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but on the over on the property side, the property

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of the city, and uh, and we kind of do

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it kind of slops. We didn't want to make any noise.

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We didn't, you know, because eventually they're going to either

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come to us and we're gonna have an element of

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surprise no matter what. But we didn't want we didn't

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really want to draw too much attention to it at

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that particular time.

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Speaker 2: Um hm.

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Speaker 1: So we get down there. Finally we get down They

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took a few minutes or whatever, but we get to

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about center of the field, of the of the fence line,

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and that's where we decided to stay. We decided to

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sit right there because that's about the about the same

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place where we see these big foots come up to

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the fence or in this in my case, I thought

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it was the other team. So we just put our

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backs against the fence and just started looking towards the mountains,

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you know, in that direction, basically the same direction going

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towards that that the residential neighbor neighborhood they said, about

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four hundred yards away, and right down below us, we're

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up on a little bit the fence line was a

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little bit of the slope, so it was down about

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maybe two or three feet before the you're on that

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other piece of property, and there's a lot of ruts

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on the ground and stuff. There's very uneeded property. Then

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right to the just a little bit to our them

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to the luck to us, there's a pretty big thick

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piece of brush, you know, so something could hide behind there,

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of course, but that was one of the areas that

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we didn't want to go past, and we just wanted

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to kind of because because we can still see down

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the fence line. The fence line is still pretty clear.

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We could still crawl down that way if we wanted,

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but we had that brush right there, so that was

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00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:42,400
kind of helping us with a little bit of shelter

480
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:49,160
for ourselves. Now we sat there now at this point,

481
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,559
my sister and embokmen and they were kind of getting

482
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:53,680
boarded the game, and they are already kind of there

483
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,200
were certain some signs that they were they're more into

484
00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:00,200
each other basically, right, so they're kind of giggling up,

485
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,680
and I was kind of get a little bit agitated

486
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,480
at this point in time, and I kept telling to

487
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,680
be quiet because I didn't want them to I want

488
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,160
our team to get discovered, you know. So we were

489
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,079
sitting there for a couple of minutes, but then finally

490
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,359
my sister and then the boyfriend decided they just they

491
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,079
wanted to go crawling out with the grass. And they,

492
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,119
you know, and I was more than happy. I just said, okay,

493
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,400
just go ahead and go, you know, just getting getting

494
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,680
a bat of getting away from me was what I

495
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:28,680
wanted them to do, because they're just giggling stuff anyways,

496
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,640
not really loud, but just giggling enough where it's gonna

497
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,480
give us away, you know. So when they started crawling

498
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,200
through the grass, and it's like it was about three

499
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,480
foot leads and grass and anything, I wasn't really paying

500
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,480
attention to my sister and the boyfriend. I didn't I

501
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:48,559
didn't know exactly which way they were headed or anything.

502
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,680
They just oh, I noticed that I lost sight of

503
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:53,519
them once they crawled into the grass. And they are

504
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,799
still giggling stuff. So it's just enough cracking hear them

505
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,200
pretty good, you know, still a little noise, and I

506
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,160
really wanted them to be that. I kept trying to

507
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,279
tell him be quiet a little bit, you know, moved

508
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:09,039
like a kind of a louder whisper, I guess. Anyway,

509
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,000
So I just sat there and this whole time all

510
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:16,279
I was doing is just just scoping, just scanning my

511
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,160
head back and forth all the way from looking down

512
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,000
the fence line and then going all the way and

513
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,440
and just scanning all the way back down from where

514
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,440
we came from and scanning all that property. Anyways, So

515
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:32,720
after a few minutes after it was probably about two

516
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:35,119
minutes later after my sister and now they're still in

517
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,079
the grass, suwheer. But as I was coming around and

518
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,960
from the looking north basically and then coming around to

519
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,960
look back down the fence line again, now I see

520
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,039
two figures the twenty feet away from me that were

521
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,400
that were squattered on one of those dirt and those

522
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,839
grassy dirt mounds that I was telling about. It's only

523
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,799
maybe a flot or too high, you know, But at

524
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,759
this point, I I career, I just in my mind,

525
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,400
it was just it was my sister. It was my

526
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400
sister and her boyfriend. So I could see the silhouettes,

527
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,279
you know, looking you know, just looking straight at me.

528
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:09,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

529
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. At this point there there wasn't a lot of light,

530
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,400
but I could see there's lights coming from the neighborhood,

531
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,680
like I said, quite a few yards away, and there's

532
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:22,559
and of course the starlights and everything. So I could

533
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,160
definitely see that there's two figures there. Plus they were

534
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,640
right next like I. So it was twenty few array

535
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:29,920
but they were right next to that brush, on the

536
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,559
thick brush I was telling you about, So maybe that

537
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,519
was a place where they just came out of. But

538
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,000
I didn't see them arrive at all. So that's why

539
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,000
it all came to It wasn't even surprised at that

540
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,400
time because I could it was as far as I

541
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,519
was concerned, that was my sister and her boyfriend. Even

542
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,799
though later I could definitely look at my I can

543
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,480
look back and I can remember that these these true

544
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,720
uh uh figures were just sitting there, just staring straight

545
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,440
at me. Didn't make any move, wasn't moving at all,

546
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,319
even though like I I just kept scanning back and

547
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,799
thirta anyways, and every once in a while, about every

548
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,599
couple fifteen twenty seconds out, I'd be looking at those

549
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440
two and I raised my hand up and trying to

550
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,039
tell those two figures that stop, you know, the stop

551
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:19,279
giggling and stuff, you know, stop making noise. So basically

552
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,319
I was having an interaction with these two figures, even

553
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:25,519
though it wasn't a communication part of it. But they

554
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400
recognized me, even though I didn't know exactly what I

555
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,880
was looking at at the time, but it was still

556
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,480
considered a an interaction. I guess it's it because they

557
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,119
knew where I was. My sister and them, they were

558
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,799
definitely crawled up. They were definitely close enough so that

559
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,279
when they were when my sister and her Bertha were

560
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,960
still giggling and stuff, it was still a close note

561
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,680
rocket that the sound was just to me, it was, uh,

562
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,960
was was close enough to those two figures that that's

563
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,839
that I still thought that that's what they were. That

564
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640
was my sister Eric worker. So they weren't. They were

565
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,559
only a matter of whatever feet feet, you know, so

566
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,559
many feet away. They're They're definitely even closer than when

567
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:06,279
I was. I mean I was twenty feet.

568
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: Away, So they were between you and two figures. But

569
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:10,200
you didn't realize that.

570
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, or the more I don't care. Yeah, my sister

571
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,319
and they were actually more to the a little bit

572
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,799
more to the right where I'm looking straight and those

573
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,559
two figures were a little bit just right off at

574
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,559
an angle, just slightly to the left of me and

575
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,279
my sister and them because they were sitting on the

576
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,400
right of me anyways, and they just went straight out

577
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,519
and uh, and as far as I was concerned, they

578
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,839
were just went straight straight out, you know, because I

579
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,079
wasn't paying attention to exactly which stretch and they started

580
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,160
the head but that was my estimated figures that they

581
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,240
just went straight out and they were probably within by

582
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,920
the time they got well out into the thick rushing

583
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,759
or the thick weeds, and that they they were probably

584
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,559
within ten feet on those two figures themselves. Wow, look

585
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:58,799
out them even knowing it, because they didn't know it,

586
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,359
because they all they could do all my surial just

587
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:05,799
hear me just trying to whisper back to them to

588
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,559
be quiet, you know, even though it wasn't doing anything good.

589
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,720
So meanwhile, now it goes on for another about another

590
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,319
two or three minutes. I'm still just just just scanning

591
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,599
my head around back and forth. And then all of

592
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,319
a sudden, and I'm doing my turn back up looking

593
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,440
starting to look towards the south on that long fense line,

594
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,240
and now I see it. I see something come running

595
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:37,720
out behind the bush from that thick brush that was

596
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,440
and they it man, Actually it was about another five

597
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,559
feet behind the other two that were sitting on that now,

598
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,079
and that thing, I mean, it was coming pretty fast.

599
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,079
That thing was so fast as he start. I mean

600
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:54,160
I look back at it I know it was pretty fast,

601
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,039
but at the time it was happening, it was it

602
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,599
was it was everything was happening so fast. But it's

603
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,359
not that I got scared when came because I wasn't.

604
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:05,759
Like I said, I wasn't even looking for bait for anything,

605
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,119
so I wasn't scared of anything. At this time. I

606
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,000
just thought it was my brother's team. I thought it

607
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,519
was one person from the other team, and I couldn't

608
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:15,720
which what I thought it was all these news the

609
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,880
other team, still thinking that those other two that were

610
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,480
sitting on the mound was my sister and workman. But

611
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,799
either ways, those two figures didn't even didn't even budge anyways.

612
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,799
Even that one came running around in the behind the

613
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,960
other two, those two figures just stayed right exactly where

614
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,480
they were now. So that made that that creature that

615
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,759
they went around those other two, that was at least

616
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,920
twenty five to thirty feet from where I was at.

617
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,440
And uh, like I said, I everything happened so fast,

618
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,960
so I'm thinking, Okay, it's the other team, and even

619
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,720
before I can before I can even get on my feet,

620
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,519
that creature was already went completely around those two and

621
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
was already almost was stopped by the time I got

622
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,519
on my feet to start yelling and start saying that

623
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,599
it was the other team. About the same time I

624
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,000
got up and started yelling the other team that that

625
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,679
big pot. That's when you know the bit was stopped,

626
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,679
like we're talking ten feet from me, because I already

627
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,320
went past those other two. And that was that was

628
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,159
actually just stopped with the ten maybe twelve at the most,

629
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,159
but it stopped right there. And then I was just

630
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,760
sitting there. It just stood there and looked at me,

631
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,519
and it, uh, it tilted his head from where I

632
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,519
was at it till to the left side, but it

633
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:41,039
was it was it was on its right side, tilt

634
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,280
his head like it was like it was trying that

635
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,800
communicate or probably it was. It was almost like it

636
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,440
was curious of me. There's nothing regressive about about what

637
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,159
it but about what he was doing or it was doing.

638
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440
But all the all I know is it just it

639
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:58,280
tilts his head to one side, and it was it

640
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,119
was slightly bent in the knees, and and it was

641
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,599
kind of and the and the head like the back

642
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,000
was arcs a little bit facing forward as well. But

643
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,440
the thing I could definitely see out of the whole

644
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,320
this whole creature was the I can see the hair

645
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,880
going all the way from the head and it was

646
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,119
going right all the way down the shoulders, and I

647
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:20,400
can see part of the arms, and the arms were

648
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,599
going down into the shadows where I couldn't see the

649
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,320
full length of the arms. I could see the individual

650
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,360
hairs all coming all the way down to around its

651
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,679
shoulders and uh, and it was either gonna be it

652
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,000
was definitely short haired type of things. I see the

653
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:41,159
individual hairs, but it wasn't like long hair. I didn't

654
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,239
see any long hairs coming from the like the arms

655
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,840
or anything. But I could see the actual individual hairs

656
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,719
on the shoulders. And the one thing I did notice

657
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440
it was definitely it was quite a bit wider than me,

658
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,480
so I knew it was quite a bit bigger, but

659
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,840
still at this time and this and this was going

660
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,519
on this for about three seconds. When I decided to

661
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:05,800
start blasting away, I just started, Uh. I started just

662
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,719
going bang bang bang bang bang. After after I yelled out,

663
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,280
there was the other team and I just yelled out

664
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,960
the top of my lump. So basically I was I

665
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,239
wasn't even at this time, I was just it was

666
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,440
just the other team to me, just that one, just

667
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:19,079
the one.

668
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: Different dn't registered.

669
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, just hadn't rested my mind. Just even though I

670
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,880
could definitely see there's something was definitely wrong, I was

671
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,480
still set on just my my drum was going because

672
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,159
I wanted to I just wanted to shoot the other team.

673
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,480
So now I'm just banging my fingers away, banging away.

674
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,440
And then now at that point, the other two that

675
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,239
were sitting on the on that dirt mound, they stood up,

676
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,239
and then I knew, I knew that there's something wrong.

677
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,440
I was okay, something was definitely not right yet because

678
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,960
they anyways, but they all those two got up, and

679
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,119
then you all just turned around, all three of them.

680
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,159
They just started leaping away from me, back going a

681
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,639
heading towards the hills and towards that little residential neighborhood

682
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,880
ways away, and I can see they're just leaping. They

683
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,639
were leaping through the room, through the tall grass. So

684
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,719
at this time, now now I go into kind of

685
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,760
a shock because the only thing that was coming out

686
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,760
of my mouth at that point, I just started yelling

687
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,840
out deer. I just started yelling deer for whatever, you know,

688
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:25,920
just because I can only think of the reason I

689
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:28,960
was doing because of the way they're leaping, leaking through

690
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,880
the grass, knowing that these were definitely not deer because

691
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,000
they are on two legs for sure, just there. They

692
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:40,000
are definitely human form. And but at the same time,

693
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,480
I definitely didn't I didn't. I didn't think of them

694
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,559
as being human either, you know, so it was definitely

695
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,360
gonna be between a human and whatever whatever it was.

696
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,480
At this time in my mind, I just I just

697
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,599
couldn't register what was going on. I was confused, and

698
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,360
I'm just yelling deer now. I was yelling that so

699
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:01,440
loud too. It's like my brother can hear me from

700
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
the other from way back in the apartment complex, because

701
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,840
like I said, my brother. And then they got scared anyways,

702
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,800
and they retreated back into the apartment complex. But when

703
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,000
they heard me rowing, I think they're pretty they're afraid

704
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:16,920
of what was happening to me. They they probably were

705
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,320
trade Later on, of course, they said they were afraid

706
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,039
that maybe that those bigfoots were attacking me or whatever.

707
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:26,320
So they came running across the field from the apartment complex,

708
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:31,000
and uh, well, yeah, let's go, let's keep moving. Before

709
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,800
brows at anyway, So I can still see these figures there,

710
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,599
like you said, they're they're already they're leaping away from me.

711
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:41,320
And then of course I stopped shooting eventually then, but

712
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,679
I can still see them. They'll be looking at him.

713
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,760
They actually slowed down, they just came become more like

714
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,079
a like a faster walk. But they're just with you know,

715
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,079
with wide strides, I guess it'd say. And I can

716
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,760
see them looking back at me. They're they just turned

717
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,920
their upper torsos. They're just they're just looked back at me,

718
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:05,400
you know, these big figures. And uh so I was

719
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,159
still confused. I was just like I could do what

720
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,000
I was looking at. I didn't want to believe in

721
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:12,039
bit because I just I just didn't. I just didn't

722
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:13,760
want to think of them because I didn't I didn't

723
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,039
know anything about me but except stories and stuff. But meanwhile,

724
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,920
my sister and her boyfriend finally were standing next to me,

725
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,159
which I didn't even notice until later, and they can

726
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,760
still they can see these stubish as well, but they

727
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,639
are still three far away. They were probably about fifty

728
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,960
or sixty yards away, no matter what, maybe you know,

729
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:34,400
one hundred pet or whatever. But but we could see them.

730
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,199
We were watching him, and uh so my sister and

731
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,559
her boyfriend. They definitely could not identify them as being

732
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,079
bigfoot at all because as far as as far as

733
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,320
what we can look at at where we were standing,

734
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:55,599
they were just upright bipedal whatever pedal, uh pussons or whatever.

735
00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:00,320
But anyways, so meanwhile, I can hear my brother come

736
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,159
running across the field walk. I'm right there. I'm at

737
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,800
the fence, and I'm still confused. I'm still I'm still

738
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,599
in shock. I guess you'd see. So I turn around,

739
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,599
I'm holding on to the fence, and I can see

740
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:17,280
my brother's team running up to the fence line. And

741
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,119
I didn't hear him yelling something, but they didn't nothing.

742
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,239
I couldn't hear anything until he got to me. I

743
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,800
was probably with about ten feet from them getting to

744
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,760
the fence, and they're running pretty fast. But all I

745
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,719
can hear is my brother just just yell out that

746
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,400
that they staw a big and once they said that,

747
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,159
that's when everything totally changed in my whole life up

748
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:43,960
to this point. And I mean, it's hardly even explained

749
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,880
about how how scared a person can be. I mean

750
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,280
because I've been scared. I've seen I've had baron counters

751
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,360
myself when my in my old in my adulthood, I've

752
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,320
had five different uh cross encounter basically with bears, black

753
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,760
bears in California. So I do a lot of hiking.

754
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:07,840
But but after this incident, I've never felt anything as

755
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,599
scared as I've ever been before that incident and more

756
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,440
after us It's one of those experiences I've never It's

757
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,480
one thing I've never ever watered fear that pain, same

758
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:24,079
fear ever ever in my life, you know. But I

759
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:27,599
was so scared, I went do a deep shock and

760
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,440
uh almost probably my heart was getting ready to just

761
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,400
just pounce out of my chest. Just the fact that

762
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,480
my brother said that they saw a big the name

763
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:38,280
be put right there. That was it. It's just I

764
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,559
lost almost everything and somehow I ended up on My

765
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:44,719
brother told me that that I just almost pretty much

766
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,960
just jumped over the fence. I mean as fast as

767
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,199
I could. I just grabbed a hold, I just used

768
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,800
my hands just and pretty much just a couple of

769
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,800
strides up the thing and grabbed and just jump and

770
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,840
just jump through real the side. And then and I left,

771
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,239
I left my sister uh and her boyfriend right there,

772
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:04,440
and I don't even know how how they got over,

773
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,239
but you on your only memory I had after that,

774
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,480
uh once he said, big put case, I weren't Tony blank.

775
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,559
I didn't even know what I was doing. All I

776
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,920
know is that I see I remember being about halfway

777
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,360
down the field of the of the of the soccer field,

778
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,159
and I think I got to the other side and

779
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,159
I just, uh, I just fell to my knees. Finally,

780
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,280
I fell on my knees because I can see my

781
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,800
hands and everything, and I remember rubbing my rubbing my eyes.

782
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,519
I had tears just coming out of my eyes like

783
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,400
crazy because I was That's how scared I was. I was.

784
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,119
It was the worst thing. I was the worst thing

785
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,920
I ever had. But when you look back, I know

786
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,599
for a fact that they weren't. There's nothing aggressive about

787
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:49,360
it that these creatures. It's just that I had this

788
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,239
thought of a big foot being just a folklore monster

789
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,679
or whatever. You know. It was just something that I

790
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,480
so basically, my my fear only came out of what

791
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:05,840
what I thought happened, you know, not what what what

792
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,480
is gonna happen later. I mean, I was just told

793
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,559
to fear what I what I thought could have could

794
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,280
have actually really happened, that they really wanted to do something, Jimmy,

795
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,960
you know, yeah, So like I said, I was it

796
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,000
was just it was the most scared thing that the

797
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,079
ever had my whole life. And it's and I and

798
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,679
I never had anything that scary. Matter of fact, every

799
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,280
time I've had any kind of bulb any encountered any

800
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,239
kind of Like I said, the bears are the only

801
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,320
the only thing that I've ever came close to that

802
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,559
could have resembled any kind of fear. But with with

803
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,039
the blackbirds in California after that incident, everything it just

804
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:44,119
pales compared to compared to that feenie I had. So

805
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,800
to me, looking at a bear, it was like was

806
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:49,880
like nothing to me. You know, It's just I just

807
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,920
felt I felt at ease because at least I know

808
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,119
what a bear is, you know.

809
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did you lose that feeling of fear as

810
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,960
you got older or did it stay with.

811
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:03,519
Speaker 1: You as far as that whole situation. I actually I've

812
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,159
actually come to the terms of goal that that whole situation,

813
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,840
that fear lasted for for at least weeks. Upon that

814
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,199
I didn't even want to go outside at night at

815
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,400
all for quite a while. But when time goes by,

816
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,039
you know, a couple months goes by. We end up

817
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,280
living in Wayrika anyways, and we went to high school there,

818
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,039
and we actually stayed in that town for about five

819
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:30,039
or six years. You know, we lived around the areas

820
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,639
we still moved from, like Trainer Park to train the

821
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,599
Park and all as stuff, you know, in the apartment

822
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:38,039
complexes and everything else. But we still lived in the area.

823
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,960
And there's those little community towns within, uh you know,

824
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,760
five ten miles away that we actually moved out, like

825
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,159
farm Farm Country area too, but still way Rika was

826
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:53,559
our main hub and went to high school there for

827
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:57,239
a couple of years. Yes, So, like I said, the

828
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,119
the fear actually kind of up because we met up

829
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:05,039
with other friends up after that. After that time though,

830
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:06,719
we we had a couple of other friends that we

831
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,840
actually were hiking up in the mountains with ourselves. We

832
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,519
can hike up from right apartment complex we were at,

833
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,920
there's a cyber event on the south side, goes right

834
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:18,639
up to the cemetery and it's only a couple of

835
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:22,039
blocks away and it goes right into up to just

836
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:25,159
before you go into the mountains. All you had group.

837
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,599
All you gotta do is walk through the cemetery and

838
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,880
you just jump over a little fence right there and

839
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,719
you can and there's a there's a pathway that just

840
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,199
goes right up to up to the top of the

841
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,760
to the grade, and it's about it comes up to

842
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,360
about a two hundred ft elevation game by the time

843
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,880
you get to the top of the ridge up there.

844
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,639
But then you can just walk towards the north on

845
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,239
the top of that mountain up there, and then can

846
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,559
there's an overlook you can overlook and you can see

847
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,440
the whole town and we can see the I can

848
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,719
see the where you can see the apartment complex, and

849
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,400
you see the school and everything right where we were at.

850
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,199
You know, it looks like a bunch of little ants

851
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,199
and stuff looking at it from where we're at. But

852
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:06,360
you can also see the freeway, you can see the

853
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,239
I five, and you can see the rest of the

854
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,800
town right right next to it. And you can also

855
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,760
see Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta's only about thirty miles to

856
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,159
the southeast of town up on the ridge that you

857
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,840
can see that pretty good. And it's kind of flat

858
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,400
up there anyways, everything east of town, and everything is

859
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,639
kind of a flat more flat. There's no mountains you

860
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,079
can see except for that, except for that Mount Shasta,

861
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,880
and so you know, beam up there. We were up

862
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,639
there about a couple of years after, you know, after

863
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,480
this happened. So and I felt comfortable being up in

864
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,000
the mountains anyways, because we do a lot of hiking

865
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:50,280
and camping anyways. But but standing up on that ridge,

866
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,920
you can, I can know, I just me and my

867
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,000
brother would just imagine how the what the bigfoot we're

868
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,840
looking at? Yeah, you know, And and of course they

869
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,159
they must have been doing this kind of stuff for years,

870
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,239
maybe not going into town all the time whatever. Be like,

871
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,440
I still haven't planning saying that they'd go down on

872
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,199
the outskirts of town like that. But but it definitely

873
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:17,400
happened to us, you know, for whatever reason. And like

874
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,719
I said, I believe that these were probe juveniles and

875
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,119
they're probably curious, and of course they know what the

876
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,039
screw is. So I'm sure they've been up there on

877
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,679
that top of the ridge looking down on the They

878
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,639
know that there's kids that play in that playground all

879
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,440
the time. M hm, So they knew the path, so

880
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,960
they probably wanted that same exact path where to get

881
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,840
to get over at least towards that side of the screw.

882
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,360
I don't know where they are hanging out anywhere past

883
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,440
that screw or not going into town, because right there,

884
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,159
about a block or two arrays right there, there's an

885
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,159
alley behind those there's like a bunch of stores and

886
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,800
restaurants and stuff. There's an alley where they got these

887
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,840
big bends, big trash bands where they throw away own

888
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,559
food and stuff. Like don't like, there's a doughnut shop there.

889
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,960
They throw food away, you know, like they old doughts

890
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,480
or whatever. They got a pizza place over there. So

891
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,440
and this is just pure theory that you know that

892
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:19,400
they might have just went down there to be looking

893
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,519
to the trash cans or whatever. But that's just my

894
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,760
my own personal theory.

895
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:29,039
Speaker 2: Uh. I would I would say that's a pretty solid theory. Actually.

896
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing was, like I said, it was,

897
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,760
there was a drought going off. So that's the reason

898
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,159
why that even even I brought that up, because even

899
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:40,599
while we were even while we were there, even afterwards,

900
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,239
we we already we we even knew, we already knew

901
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,239
reports of uh of other wildlife coming down into town

902
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,920
that that normally room come down in town. Like there's

903
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,960
a lot of deer would come down for sure. Uh,

904
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:59,760
coyones were known to come down and uh uh and

905
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,440
what over else you know up there, you know, but

906
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,920
mostly dear stuff that you normally wouldn't see come down

907
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,320
in town like that. But so yeah, so we'd heard

908
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,960
a report about like that, So I kind of fear

909
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,599
the manu those those even if those creatures coming down,

910
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,119
they're probably trying to figure out a way to eat also,

911
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,559
you know, find something, you know, so that especially when

912
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:21,519
I'm not with that, you know.

913
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: I mean, so where I live in Oklahoma, stories of

914
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:33,000
bigfoot coming into towns, you know, areas like you're talking

915
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:34,800
about that's just like kind of on the edge of

916
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,679
town where it dumps out into the wilderness or whatever,

917
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,159
and them coming in and raiding dumpsters, hanging around schools,

918
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,800
being seen by kids at school playing baseball like you're

919
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,199
right there on the baseball. I mean, everything that you're

920
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,960
talking about, even down to the cemetery, are like common

921
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:00,760
things that people tell stories about in com are even bigfoot.

922
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's uh to and even to this day,

923
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,119
I even me and my well freak, well, me and

924
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,639
my brother. We once this happened, we talked, We talked

925
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:16,760
about it probably within that year, but then we just

926
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,960
stopped talking about it all together. After that, you know,

927
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,320
we just decided, okay, that was it. And then over

928
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,239
the years we never really talked about it. But you know,

929
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,639
we always, uh we were pretty sy about telling people

930
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,920
was we were shy kids. We were always moving around,

931
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,880
so we didn't have any friends. We just had to

932
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,880
make friends every time we moved, so so we ended

933
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,760
up being kind of shy until we moved around so

934
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,320
much and go different schools.

935
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask you, like, did you, you know,

936
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,679
being kids and all, did you talk to other kids

937
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:47,440
about it later on?

938
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, no, after this incident. Uh even we were

939
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,079
back back at that time when I was going through

940
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,079
my uh my, my episode, when I was in the

941
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,440
middle of that field at night, you know, eight or

942
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,599
nine or not. That night, we sat around, we just

943
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:08,519
sat around in a circle. Eventually after I because I

944
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,360
was in shock for so, I was in shock so

945
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,159
bad that I couldn't even lunch and I couldn't even

946
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,840
I couldn't even really speak of anything for about a

947
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,039
half an hour to forty five minutes later, So we

948
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,280
decided to sit around and I'm of course, I'm facing

949
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,920
in the circle. I'm looking, I'm facing towards the fence

950
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,760
because I'm just that's because I'm only had the most

951
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,119
traumatic traumatic out of all of us. I had the

952
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,039
worst aout all of us. So so we started talking

953
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:39,079
about instantly, we compared stories with each other. Of course

954
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:41,000
I was the last one to finally get to say something,

955
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,840
because you know, I was able to finally say something.

956
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:46,880
But then we came to the conclusion that what that.

957
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:51,039
The two brothers, the two other brothers, they suggested that

958
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:54,639
we just we should go to the police department. Right, yeah, well,

959
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,239
me and my brother already this is already, this is

960
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,599
already probably an hour into already, what are what happened?

961
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,440
So the situation was already done with. And besides that,

962
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,760
me and my brother, we were so soft spoken ourselves anyways,

963
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,880
and we and like I said, we don't like any

964
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,519
confrontational type of situation. We don't like going to the

965
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:21,159
police for just bandom stuff like that. Especially you've been

966
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,400
to go to the police department and you know, telling

967
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,719
them that we just saw three big foots playing in

968
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,199
the playground. You know it's this It ain't gonna happen

969
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,159
for us because we had Me and my brother has

970
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,000
enough sense that first of all, we just got to

971
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:39,000
that town within just days, within three days to a week,

972
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,000
whatever it was, it was pretty it was a pretty

973
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,679
quick evolution that happened. But for us to show up

974
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:47,559
in the town where nobody knows us and then here

975
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,599
we are telling, telling, talking about a big foot story.

976
00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:54,079
We you know, me and my brother just don't want

977
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,159
to have that type of a tension.

978
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, not starting out great.

979
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,159
Speaker 1: Well at all. So and me and my brother eve

980
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,360
at fifteen, we had a lot of common sense, and

981
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,239
we purpose talked to the other brothers too. It wasn't

982
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,719
that it wasn't that hard to talk to them, just say, hey,

983
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,159
it's it's not worth it. You're just gonna all you're

984
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:14,719
gonna do is a bye, all of this to be ridiculed, basically.

985
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,760
So that's and that's basically what happened. We just all decided, okay,

986
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,679
yeah we're not We're not gonna say anything. That's it.

987
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,719
And then with those two brothers, what's funny about them

988
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,840
is that we like said when we need were for

989
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,679
a few days at that point in time, and we

990
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,119
also went to school with them in high school. But

991
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,679
after that night we once we once they were a

992
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,119
home and we went back to our into the apartment

993
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:39,159
and stuff. We never hooked back up with these guys again.

994
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,920
We just we seen them. We weren't we weren't animals.

995
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,400
We were actually we were still a friendly to him

996
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,559
and stuff, but we didn't we didn't become like best

997
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,639
friends with them at all. Yeah, and we never talked

998
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:51,400
to him about the situation. Resist for whatever reason, we

999
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,719
just once we separated, the bigfoot kind of thing just stopped.

1000
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,719
We just didn't talk about it. We didn't definitely talk

1001
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,960
about it while we were in school and and anybody else,

1002
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,480
except when we didn't go back to the apartment complex

1003
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,400
that night. We tried to tell my aunt about what

1004
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,960
was going on. Her and her boyfriend decided they were

1005
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:12,880
just laughing at us, basically, you know, just joking. I

1006
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,760
wouldn't say flat out laughing, but there they knew that.

1007
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,800
They just thought it was just the fact that we

1008
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,800
just showed up and that we're just seeing things or whatever,

1009
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,239
you know, that's all the So they were definitely a

1010
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:26,719
they they definitely didn't leave our story at that particular time.

1011
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,760
So yeah, so and when, like I said, matter of fact,

1012
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,440
we didn't even I didn't even tell anybody about our story.

1013
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,599
Like over twenty something years later, basically, uh, me and

1014
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,239
my brother both started working on the the ships we

1015
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,159
started working we were merchant mariners for twenty five years

1016
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:48,679
and anyways, we were working on the ships, and that's

1017
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,480
when I first my brother did it was even less

1018
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,159
pocket than myself. You know, I was the most boisterous

1019
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,280
out of all, out of me and him, I was

1020
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,440
I'm the one always like to talk little bit, but

1021
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,239
even though I'm still I'm still very reserved and that

1022
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,360
very shy, but I'm just a little bit more vocal

1023
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,840
than my brother. Basically is where I get that point.

1024
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,400
But I ended up telling her I was working on

1025
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,760
a boat with it, and I had a captain who

1026
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,840
I told the story to you, and he was the

1027
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,760
first person. And I was about I was probably about thirty,

1028
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,960
I want to say, I was probably about five or

1029
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:27,559
thirty six, I think when I when I told him

1030
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:33,440
that story years later, yeah, you know, and then the

1031
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:35,519
only sad thing about the only bad thing about that

1032
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,039
was that my captain. You know, he's one of those

1033
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,400
guys that just he loves stories and he likes to

1034
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,239
joke around. He likes to talk a lot. I mean,

1035
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,599
he he we were talking in personally that subject he

1036
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:49,840
came up because he lived he lives that in Tahoe,

1037
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,840
and he was telling me about a lot of his

1038
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,880
bearer encounters and all that stuff. And then, for whatever reason,

1039
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,280
I decided to feel comfortable and to say, well, I

1040
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,440
got a story to tell you about Bigfoot. And he

1041
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:03,440
was and he seemed to be very imbaressed about it,

1042
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,760
right yeah, And I'm telling him the exact same story

1043
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,360
that I'm telling you. And at the end of that story,

1044
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,559
he was pretty excited about it, and he and he

1045
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,239
and he related to me that he that he beat me.

1046
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,760
But later on I found out that he was even

1047
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,199
though if he believed me in art even to this day,

1048
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:22,559
I don't know if he believed it, but he knew,

1049
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,760
he knew how much of an honest person I was.

1050
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:27,039
So I just can't believe that he'd even think that

1051
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,400
I wasn't telling him the truth, you know, I just

1052
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:33,400
I worked with him for about fifteen years, but basically

1053
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,360
he would always he would be telling the story, the

1054
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,800
same story, or he would tell a story every time

1055
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,280
a new person would come in, like a new maid

1056
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,920
or new deckhand would come in, and I was always

1057
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,679
there for I was there for a long time myself.

1058
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,400
He would always have them go ask me to tell

1059
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:55,360
them about the Bigfoot story. I didn't like that because

1060
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:58,719
I already I already felt very self conscious about telling

1061
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,400
that story, because it's even to this day, it's embarrassing

1062
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:04,559
to tell the story, and just just to normal people,

1063
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,559
you know, I don't like telling It's just it's an

1064
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:11,239
embarrassing subject just because you know they're going to look

1065
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,760
at you kind of kind of weird, you know. So yeah,

1066
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,440
So basically, so I had to tell my story quite

1067
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,960
a few different times, or at least a few different times.

1068
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:22,159
So I kept telling my cap I don't want to

1069
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,119
I don't want him to be kept keep telling people,

1070
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,559
you know that I've got, you know, this brutus story,

1071
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:28,639
because it's just I don't want to have to deal

1072
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,960
with all that stuff, you know. So that's basically it.

1073
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,880
But but then now we jump up all the until

1074
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:38,880
just uh, basically this just this last January, that's the

1075
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,960
only time. That's the first time i'd actually became more.

1076
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,280
I actually started telling everybody on Facebook all because I

1077
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,800
joined all these groups. I didn't realize that that Facebook

1078
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:56,599
had all these uh bigfoot groups, uh pages. So I

1079
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:58,480
started looking into all that stuff, and then I started

1080
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:00,440
I joined about a half or not to happen, I

1081
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:04,159
actually it doesn't. I pick out twelve different I didn't

1082
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:05,920
want to just join every one of them. I just

1083
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:09,599
joined like the twelve of the most rate, top rated ones.

1084
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:11,920
I could see they had the most followers, you know,

1085
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:15,599
and uh, so I just started joining all of them.

1086
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:18,760
Then I then I decided to do a word a

1087
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,239
word processing where I just wrote out my whole story

1088
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,440
so that way I would have to repeat the same thing,

1089
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:26,239
so I can just go and cut and paste that

1090
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,760
into the posts. You know, it's it, So I just

1091
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:31,320
so I just do it one time. All I do

1092
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,679
is just cut and paste my saying story to all

1093
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:40,199
the all those twenty four groups that I did. And

1094
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,039
not all of those posts accepted my my stories because

1095
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,119
they some of those posts they don't allow certain types

1096
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:51,039
of stuff, I guess, but the majority of them, majority

1097
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:54,880
of my of those groups that I did actually posted

1098
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,440
my stove. So and only like a day after that posting,

1099
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,239
which is like basically why on January January first, is right?

1100
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:06,039
It was the first time I posted, and that was

1101
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,039
the very first day when I got my first person

1102
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:11,239
that came that that contacted me about a podcast want

1103
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,199
me to be on their podcast station. At this point,

1104
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,079
I didn't I did not even I didn't even know

1105
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:19,119
what a podcast was. I didn't know what a podcast

1106
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:21,800
station was. I didn't know anything about a podcast. The

1107
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,920
only thing I don't even talking about what I didn't

1108
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,239
even know what the nerve. I didn't even know the

1109
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,400
term podcast. But I knew Joe like Joe Rogan, which

1110
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,039
I watched here, but I didn't know that was a podcast,

1111
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,199
which I didn't know that. I just know I've watched

1112
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:35,280
like Joe Rogan.

1113
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you jumped right into the deep end.

1114
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: Everything happened. So it was it was crazy because I

1115
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:48,159
got Linda eastbourn Is is the first person that that

1116
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,679
got to hold me. And I don't know if you

1117
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:52,639
know her or not, but she's she's a researcher herself,

1118
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,360
but she goes by her name that but she's a podcaster,

1119
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,360
so it doesn't have like a regular title for her

1120
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:03,960
pod cast, it's just her name. Yeah, so she got

1121
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,000
she contact moved. I'm going okay. I had to ask

1122
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:08,840
her what it pot would have meant? But what was it?

1123
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,880
What was a podcast? Right? So so so I didn't

1124
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,440
know what it was. And then she told, yes, she's

1125
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:16,320
she told me where she was, what she's all about,

1126
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,599
and see, uh, you know, she broadcasts her stuff on

1127
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,360
the YouTube and everything. Because even YouTube I didn't realize

1128
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,800
had all those podcasts on it, you know. And I

1129
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,119
and since then, of course, I've been I've just been

1130
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,519
I've been infatuated with with YouTube. That's my main channel,

1131
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,559
and I've been watching and tools tons of bigfoot uh

1132
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:45,280
you know, documentary type stuff and podcasts like I said,

1133
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,599
like and like you said earlier, it was I just

1134
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:51,920
jumped myself into not realizing what was going to follow

1135
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,639
after that, because I ended up doing You're my eighth

1136
01:00:55,239 --> 01:01:00,119
my eighth podcast so forth this point, you know, in

1137
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,199
seven months since January, and then of course one of

1138
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:05,760
those podcasts, I uh, I actually had to me and

1139
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,840
my brother traveled to a to a It wasn't that far.

1140
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,800
Why it's a couple hours away from us. Well, Santa Cruz.

1141
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:19,280
There's a radio station and apparently that's ah they do

1142
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,119
the nighttime program and it's a It's Natural podcast. So

1143
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,360
we actually went there and this time listened to my

1144
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,360
first time that my brother was actually on with me.

1145
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,360
So now we both were there. So at least the

1146
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,800
nice one with my brother is that that he can

1147
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,239
actually he was my witness as well, so he was

1148
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,519
able to balidate exactly everything I was saying. But but

1149
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:47,000
of course his his you know, his take on what

1150
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:50,079
he saw was was at a different vantage point from

1151
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:53,119
where I was at, which which actually which actually gives

1152
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:56,679
a lot more credibility to the whole story. Anyways, you know,

1153
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,960
because because of course it's me and my brother. Listen,

1154
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:02,159
me and my brother was on that fence line right

1155
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,960
next to each other, and we see the same thing,

1156
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,360
and basically we're just boasts telling the same exact story.

1157
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:10,159
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that's all that.

1158
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: But now that my brother rays involved and you know,

1159
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:19,559
to be able to you know, validate my my story too,

1160
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:22,239
and he will tell his part of the story. It

1161
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,599
all ties into both of our stories. Basically, it all

1162
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,559
is the same. It's the same. It was the same encounter,

1163
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,119
even though my encounter was the one that was the

1164
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:33,320
more frightening part of it.

1165
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,119
Speaker 2: You know, well, I was going to ask you, with

1166
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,639
you being the more talkative one, how he felt about

1167
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:41,679
you coming forward and sharing the encounter. Has he been

1168
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:43,760
supportive and everything?

1169
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: Well, he was definitely supportive of He's kind of embarrassing

1170
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:50,239
because after I got on and did all these podcasts

1171
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:54,199
and stuff, because we will do door dashing together right together.

1172
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:56,800
He does his door dash and I do my door dash.

1173
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:58,800
And we lived in a section and town where we

1174
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,800
had like a it's a small it's a small community area.

1175
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,519
We've got all these we got like pizza places, we

1176
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:07,159
got all these different places that and then everybody's gotten

1177
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:09,360
the nose pretty good. You know, we got our people,

1178
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:13,400
the store owners, I mean actually actually become pretty uh

1179
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:17,599
people recognize us and and they know our names. You're

1180
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:21,400
pretty good. So you know, and now that I know

1181
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,559
these people by name when I go when I started

1182
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:26,840
doing my podcast and stuff, now I'm starting to brag

1183
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:31,039
to everybody about my podcast. You know, I've been on podcasts,

1184
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,320
I've been doing this and then uh, you know, going

1185
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,880
to the Santa Cruz. I've also told them about me

1186
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,159
going to Seattle to be on a you know, on

1187
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,400
this uh uh, this show that's gonna be broadcast here

1188
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,599
and whatever. Next year sometime we'll do the documentary. But

1189
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:50,239
now we're almost kind of becoming like a like a

1190
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,320
like a local celebrity type of situation. You know, as

1191
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,519
I go to this restaurant, to a family restaurant with

1192
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:01,320
an owner, he comes. I walk in there, and he

1193
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,400
when I first told him about us, you know about

1194
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,079
these podcasts of he you know, he got really into it.

1195
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:08,760
And then now when I was going in there, at first,

1196
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,840
he was getting me to guys and to go to

1197
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,079
all these customers. He'd be walking into the customers to

1198
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,559
shake their hands and stuff. This is the guy that

1199
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:17,280
I told you about that was that uh that saw Bigfoot,

1200
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,960
you know, I mean it was embarrassing. I was still embarrassed.

1201
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,079
I didn't want that. I didn't want that type of attention,

1202
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,000
especially because a big put because then then a crowd

1203
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,280
of people in a restaurant, and I don't like crowds anyways.

1204
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:32,079
And and and now now we're gonna go back to

1205
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:36,000
talking about my brother. My brother was even it's definitely

1206
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:40,119
not hip with being a center of attention whatsoever. And

1207
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,320
he's he was embarrassed. But but the cat was already

1208
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,360
out of the bag, you know, and and there's nothing

1209
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,000
I can do about it.

1210
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1211
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: So, but but now he's become more more into because

1212
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,920
now people are starting to they I tell him about

1213
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,679
all these different podcasts that have been on, and I

1214
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,559
talk about a little bit more, but not in groups.

1215
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,000
I don't like cocking in groups, and I get embarrassed

1216
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,239
and I know there's too many people around, and you know,

1217
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,920
so I don't want that kind of attention. I don't

1218
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,760
want to be known as a celebrity either. I don't

1219
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,119
want that type of atmosphere. I just want to just

1220
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,400
I just want to, you know, be just a normal person.

1221
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,679
Speaker 2: You know, well, you are a normal person. You're just

1222
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,480
part of a very uh select few that have witnessed

1223
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,360
bigfoot and uh, you're you're becoming the bigfoot guy of

1224
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:29,119
your community.

1225
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I seem started to back my mind, you know,

1226
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,840
I'm mis thinking. Okay, I hope that people aren't looking

1227
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,280
at you. It's like I'm a you know, you know,

1228
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:40,719
a crazy person, I guess, but but yeah, but people

1229
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,760
know this, you know that they don't know as personally

1230
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,519
as far as our own what we do in our

1231
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:46,519
lives or anything. But they do know. It's because we

1232
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:49,639
go into the restaurants and stuff to get the gor

1233
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:52,519
dash food and oasta. But you know, so don't They

1234
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,960
don't really notice our personal level as far as are

1235
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:57,679
where we live and all that stuff. But but they

1236
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,480
knew our personalities and they know that who we are

1237
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:02,320
as me and my brother together.

1238
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, the through respect this one that was you know,

1239
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,000
and your brother went with you, I assume for the

1240
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:11,440
television show deal, right.

1241
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that was that was the God God

1242
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:20,199
sends for me too, because you know, because it's one

1243
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,320
thing if you got one person that has experienced the

1244
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:27,880
uh uh, you know, an encounter or whatever, because that's

1245
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,280
and all that comes out to me is your own story.

1246
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,280
I mean, you don't have anything to back. You don't

1247
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,960
have any kind of collaborations of any kind. You know,

1248
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,159
you don't have validation, you don't have anybody to help

1249
01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:40,760
the firm what you got. So so they particularly like that.

1250
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,400
The producers really really predictably, they loved our story because

1251
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,199
of the fact that we were of course twins. For

1252
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,960
one thing, because when they're asking me questions about about

1253
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,880
my about the very first thing through rule. But we're

1254
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,199
both actually and we both had our own interviews separately,

1255
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,639
so that's gonna be all tied into the to the

1256
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,039
episode because they're going to be doing a lot of editing.

1257
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:04,440
But so mine came up first, and all they wanted

1258
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,840
we would do for the first half an hour or

1259
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,360
even an hour, is to ask me what I felt

1260
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,519
about my brother, you know, tell me about Ray. Tell

1261
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,480
me about Ray. And I would start talking about Ray,

1262
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:17,920
and then I'll start kind of drifting off a little

1263
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,880
bit more and drift on me and started sort of

1264
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,039
talking about something else that made it to the big book, right,

1265
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,760
and then they're they're really moved back in and then

1266
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,000
they say, oh, yeah, so tell me about Ray. They

1267
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,280
did this about two or there different times, and you know,

1268
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,960
and and then I said, but Outdoor grew last to

1269
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:38,159
me that you know, they're very friendly, but they definitely

1270
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:39,679
calmed me down. The way they were talking to me.

1271
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:41,760
We're just talking like just normal people, you know. Just

1272
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:45,039
I felt I felt very comfortable with me, and the

1273
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:47,639
lady that was the the one doing the talking for

1274
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,639
me with me asked me the questions and stuff. This

1275
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:53,880
is funny. I just got to kind of laughing and said, okay,

1276
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,679
so we're talking about my brother, you know. But I

1277
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,079
didn't realize that they were just trying to gather as

1278
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:02,159
much information different things so they can start blending stuff together.

1279
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:05,079
And then of course it started, and then I started

1280
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:08,400
doing the it's nicely. They just asked me questions about

1281
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:11,480
different parts of my story and stuff, and I pretty

1282
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,159
much told the whole story of the summer. It was

1283
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:16,319
like stop every once in a while, like let's say

1284
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:18,399
the airplane by, we'd have to stop so we're on

1285
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,600
a break and or continue my story. But then they

1286
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,640
then they'd go down and then we want to talk

1287
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,039
about my childhood. We kind of booked around a lot

1288
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,600
to the story, but eventually I did tell the whole story.

1289
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:33,640
It's just that they're gonna be blending everything together. We're

1290
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,880
all flows in the one and that includes my cot

1291
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,239
so that includes my brother, you know. So and there's

1292
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,920
definitely a lot of that. They definitely brought more of

1293
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,520
a personality out of both me and my brother, because

1294
01:08:46,119 --> 01:08:48,840
there's usually things that I usually say is more of

1295
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,920
a joking manner that I'd usually saved trends and stuff,

1296
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,720
you know, And I was not loose where I can.

1297
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,119
Actually I had a lot of pretty good comic type

1298
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,239
of the atmosphere going on the times, if my stories

1299
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,000
and stuff, you know, my analogy of what was going on.

1300
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,000
And then when they got my brother, even be though

1301
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:07,520
they got my brother, so my brother was coming up

1302
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,520
next after after my I I even warned him, I said, okay,

1303
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,000
this is it. My brother only has my My brother

1304
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:20,720
only has like media maybe a five minute discussion at

1305
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,079
the most, because first of all, he doesn't like to

1306
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:27,199
talk anyways. And my brother, as far as he was concerned,

1307
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,960
all he wanted to do is just just basically just say, hey,

1308
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,800
I seen three bigfoots coming from my right hand side

1309
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,920
and the last time I seen him on my left

1310
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,319
hand side. And that was it. That's what my brother

1311
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,000
just wanted to say, kind of like in that in

1312
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:43,079
that aspect of it all, you know, I said that

1313
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:46,239
you're probably you know my my interview with these with

1314
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:50,359
the production was a about two hours or so now

1315
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,279
that and I had to wonder them and I told

1316
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:54,199
because I you know, my crew was laid out the

1317
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,680
line about my brother being a lot more reserved and

1318
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,520
shy than I am, even though we're both shy. I

1319
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,079
was was always saying I had like one or two

1320
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:05,079
friends at the most at any given time, and we

1321
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,199
both had that. We both shared the same friends, you know,

1322
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:12,199
so we we didn't like big groups. So uh yes,

1323
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:13,920
So then so I already wanted him. I say, you're

1324
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,720
probably you're probably the best of you didn't probably get

1325
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,279
out of and then maybe half an hour if you

1326
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:19,920
pull it out of him. But then I was totally

1327
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,279
surprised because once once in my interview ended, Uh, they

1328
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:25,920
had to, they needed to take a break. Anyway, as

1329
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,760
they came out, they told Ray, we're gonna get back

1330
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,840
to you by another twenty minutes. So allowed me enough

1331
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,600
time to talk to my brother and just say, hey,

1332
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,439
that's because my brother's already nervous. He didn't he really

1333
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,279
didn't even want to be there. Okay, so here's the

1334
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,720
He's like I said, he wanted to get in and

1335
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,439
out of there as quickly as possible, and he was

1336
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,439
already mad because it took so long. And now that

1337
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,760
I'm done, here's really now that I'm relieved that the

1338
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,119
whole thing was over for myself. Now he knew that

1339
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:52,279
he had to come up and start talking that he didn't,

1340
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,479
and he was very reserved. But I told him I

1341
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,880
had to relax him and tell him, hey, it's not

1342
01:10:58,039 --> 01:11:00,760
what you think. These people. These people are actually very

1343
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:04,359
it's just like you're talking to and they're just gonna

1344
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:06,319
be I told him that they're just gonna be bouncing around,

1345
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:09,079
They're gonna just be asking me questions, so you didn't

1346
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:11,479
have to worry about just just going and start talking

1347
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,920
like I do. Like like a story. I just told you,

1348
01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:16,920
I went through the whole my whole story, and the

1349
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,199
whole process of the story without being interrupted, of course.

1350
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:23,560
But but with that production team, they just boust around

1351
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,279
and they just asked me questions and stuff. Yeah, and

1352
01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:28,840
that's and I called my brother down and by the

1353
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,319
time he got out, his took almost as long as

1354
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,960
his interview took as long as my interview did. And

1355
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:38,039
I don't know exactly what how much information they get

1356
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:40,800
out of because his part of the story was only

1357
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,520
a matter of just just to you know, like I said,

1358
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,000
only a couple of minutes, you know. So I was

1359
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:49,000
very surprised that they got, is it, whatever information they got,

1360
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,239
they really did. They wanted to find out a whole

1361
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:54,760
bunch of our family without bringing as well, which I

1362
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:58,000
came round to that also, so my brother had to

1363
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,680
tie into you know, whatever he can remember of our

1364
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,479
childhood and anything after the fact and won't get through

1365
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:06,640
a living and all that stuff.

1366
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: So I kind of have an advantage as a podcast

1367
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,800
host whenever I talk to guests and stuff and correspond

1368
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,600
with them a little bit, and you know, sometimes you know,

1369
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:21,800
it goes even further after the podcast, you know, I

1370
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,119
become friends with them and talk to them on a

1371
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:27,479
regular basis, and you get to know the people, and

1372
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:34,680
the people that have these experiences, have stories, they have backgrounds,

1373
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,359
they're normal people, you know, and a lot of times

1374
01:12:39,159 --> 01:12:42,000
people just hear the Bigfoot story and that's it, and

1375
01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:45,199
then they make their judgments going off the story without

1376
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:49,359
actually knowing the person. So hopefully this TV show will

1377
01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:51,479
paint a picture of who you and your brother are

1378
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,159
as people you know, and where you came from and everything.

1379
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I believe so. Like I said, even with

1380
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,159
all this sorts of the thing I've done, and I've

1381
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:04,800
only done any of the major resource, uh the research

1382
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,840
I've done, It's just been the last seven months and

1383
01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:10,920
I didn't even know where that the Patterson Gimman film

1384
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:15,359
site was even at I know where the area is

1385
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:17,560
at because I've been up there lots of times. I've

1386
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,039
been through uh Willow Creek, I've been on a motorcycle

1387
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:22,720
ride and stuff, and but I didn't realize that that's

1388
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,720
where the that Giveman firm set was located. And and

1389
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:31,680
being that close, and then I also guarantee you that

1390
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,079
even with all this other stuff going on, I can

1391
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:38,640
almost guarantee you that there's probably I mean, who knows

1392
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,680
one hundred thousands more people that that that that have

1393
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,520
stories but just choose not to tell the story because

1394
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,960
of they might be people like Moon that don't want

1395
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,800
to be ridly cuted, you know, yeah, you know, and

1396
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,079
most and most of those people are the people that

1397
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:55,680
live in the outskirts of town. Basically, they're not they're

1398
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,960
not gonna didn't people are not gonna see a big

1399
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,439
foot walking down the main drag or anything. So they're

1400
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,359
not living near and close to the mountain ranges or whatever,

1401
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,600
you know, somewhere where the big Brits can hide, you know,

1402
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,640
based on farm land and stuff. You know, you hear

1403
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,319
a lot about that too. But most of those people

1404
01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:15,680
are pretty logical people. I mean, they're just they seen

1405
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,239
something for sure, you know. And and those people do

1406
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:20,840
that a little of them and are planted in certain

1407
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,159
areas that see these bigfoot they see they seen the

1408
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:27,079
same group of bigfoots all the time. This is you know.

1409
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:29,399
I always thought that when you see a bigfoot that

1410
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,119
that was probably given me the last time you see it.

1411
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:33,039
It's just a one time deal, you know, which is

1412
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:35,720
what happened to me. I didn't realize that those people

1413
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,000
that are living along the edges of the of the

1414
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,600
of the wilderness, that that that frequently frequently see these

1415
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,760
same creatures, you know, like the same family of creatures,

1416
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,520
you know, sewing up on their properties and stuff, and

1417
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,079
they have multiple sidings and encounters.

1418
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean interactions or what I call interactions

1419
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:59,920
where you've got certain situations where somebody lives somewhere just

1420
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,479
in the right spot, and bigfoot comes on their property

1421
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,359
or crosses through their property every now and then, and

1422
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,239
they realize that the bigfoot aren't a threat, just like

1423
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:14,199
you did. And the bigfoot more importantly realizes that person

1424
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:18,960
isn't a threat. Uh yeah. There's sightings and encounters that

1425
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:22,880
go on for years and years, sometimes multiple generations in

1426
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:23,520
one family.

1427
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just it's crazy. Even and even like

1428
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,520
I said, I even found out of course that that

1429
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,159
that that that that community or the county that I

1430
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:42,239
live in has has the most amount of UH reports

1431
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:46,840
of bigfoot out of the whole state of California, well

1432
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,359
basically whole Mountain Range basically has the most amount of

1433
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:55,119
the reporting of bigfoots. And some are pretty recent big plusses.

1434
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,399
One's running in the Marble Mountains, which is actually the

1435
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,359
closer than the Passer. I don't know if you've seen

1436
01:16:01,399 --> 01:16:05,439
that one with a boy Scout. The boy Scouts seen

1437
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,640
the Bigfoot. They're just not very long ago.

1438
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,520
Speaker 2: It's all yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Have you

1439
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:17,159
seen there's a video out there that's pretty popular, or

1440
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:20,680
at least it used to be years ago of uh.

1441
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:26,159
I believe it's in Russia. They're they're speaking a language

1442
01:16:26,199 --> 01:16:31,079
that sounds Russian or Eastern European of some kind, and

1443
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:36,239
they just show a bigfoot or what's supposed to be

1444
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:40,319
a bigfoot, but it's jumping like you were talking about.

1445
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,439
It's like leaping from right to left through the woods.

1446
01:16:44,119 --> 01:16:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that particularly, I can't I can't recall if I've

1447
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:49,800
seen that one. Or not, because I've been watching so

1448
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:54,640
many of many ways. Yeah, but I've definitely seen ones

1449
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,720
like you're explaining. I've definitely seen something.

1450
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,359
Speaker 2: I'll send you a copy of it because I want to.

1451
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:05,119
I want to hear your opinion on it. Okay, yeah, yeah, definitely,

1452
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,960
because you are the first person that I've ever talked

1453
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,439
to that described them leaping.

1454
01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I realized that either, you know, it's just

1455
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,680
it was just weird. Yeah, of course I attributed that

1456
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,119
to the fact that they're just leaping over the taller

1457
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:23,199
grass and stuff anyway, so it's stuck out be a

1458
01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:25,800
normal thing that maybe other people might have seen too.

1459
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,880
I just I didn't really think about what other people,

1460
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,520
you know, other stories about how they.

1461
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:35,399
Speaker 2: Well everybody has different encounters, you know, so that that's fine.

1462
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:40,079
I mean, it's just interesting. I definitely want to get

1463
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:40,800
your opinion on it.

1464
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course, and some people get have that

1465
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,560
that real bad smell of a big putting everything, which

1466
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,640
I didn't encounter, you know, and the different things like

1467
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:58,680
there's no eye shine, no, no no croaking. It was

1468
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,279
just to me, I look at it. It's definitely a

1469
01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:06,520
a flesh of blood creature is what I looked at

1470
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,000
it as you know, as normal as you and I

1471
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:12,079
is what I experienced. I mean, I'm not saying that,

1472
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,199
and I'm not down play anybody else's experience, even when

1473
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:17,960
it comes to UFOs and all that stuff.

1474
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: Honestly, if I could give you a bit of advice,

1475
01:18:22,039 --> 01:18:25,600
as somebody that's been around for a really long time

1476
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,000
in the Bigfoot community or whatever you want to call it,

1477
01:18:28,359 --> 01:18:30,600
don't get caught up in all that stuff. You know,

1478
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,279
you know what your encounter was, and that's the information

1479
01:18:35,399 --> 01:18:38,439
that you have to add to the puzzle. And people

1480
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,119
can take it as they want, you know, if they

1481
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:46,079
want to argue that that's not how it really happened

1482
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:49,520
and you're wrong about this, and you know, like it's

1483
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,840
easy to get caught up in all that. And I

1484
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960
sincerely hope that doesn't happen with you, or.

1485
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: It doesn't at all, because even on my Facebook, I

1486
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,720
would I talk to people on a dipper groups or anything,

1487
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,279
and and you're always getting people that are just trying

1488
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:05,960
to debate me, you know, I always I just pretty

1489
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,880
much shut them down right away. I just say first

1490
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,199
I just say, first of all, I'm not really I'm

1491
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:17,000
already well past the debating stage of my situation because

1492
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,439
I'm already a nowherre anyways. And first of all, and

1493
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,800
I'm not looking for somebody else to validate what I

1494
01:19:24,199 --> 01:19:27,840
know exists myself. I've already got all that stuff. And

1495
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,319
I'm not even I'm not even trying to condense anybody.

1496
01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:32,359
I'm just trying to I just tell my story as

1497
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:35,760
it goes. And I also tell them that really the

1498
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,560
uh uh, the debunking really falls upon those you know

1499
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,800
that are trying to find the truth themselves or even

1500
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:47,760
you know, you know. That's basically where I look at it.

1501
01:19:48,359 --> 01:19:50,600
It's their responsibility to try to find the truth. It's

1502
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,399
not my responsibility. I like I said at the same time,

1503
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,760
with you tell me that when you tell a me,

1504
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,920
you know, and it's just just just give them my story.

1505
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,359
And that's all I can do, you know, That's all

1506
01:19:59,399 --> 01:20:01,880
I either way. But this is the first time my

1507
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:05,399
story has been is actually public. It's it's public now,

1508
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,520
it's public knowledge, it's recorded because I did the bf

1509
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,399
R O just last week. I submitted my whole claim.

1510
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,760
I did the whole word processing thing and and ould

1511
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,079
story and everything, and that's that's still under review. And

1512
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:21,079
all this stuff that's gonna take probably months before it

1513
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:27,399
gets posted on the bfr BFRO website. And then you know,

1514
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,640
they and and and it goes from county and it

1515
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,000
will go all the way down to all the counties

1516
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:35,680
in California. For where is what state? I pushed on anyways?

1517
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,760
But so yeah, so what my story is just another

1518
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:43,600
record as far as we're ore, you know, and and

1519
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,039
it gives it's just another place where they could put

1520
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:49,399
a little period on on a map showing that there's

1521
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,039
a siding you know, whost all the hundreds of thousands

1522
01:20:53,079 --> 01:20:55,000
of other uh sighting side.

1523
01:20:55,279 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the grand scheme of things, yes, but for

1524
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,960
you it's something much more. It's much more than a pinpoint.

1525
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:08,079
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for me for sure, I, like I said, Yeah,

1526
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:10,319
besides that, like I said, he'd just given my report

1527
01:21:10,359 --> 01:21:12,000
and every thing. But at least that's adding to it.

1528
01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:14,479
But I also I've got grandkids too, you know. And

1529
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,600
I when I did, you know, even before I even

1530
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,960
started talking to you right now, you know, I didn't

1531
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,920
mention that I actually the first thing I did was

1532
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,119
write a book. I wrote a book of my story

1533
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,159
and I published it every since then, I actually dropped

1534
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:31,239
it after a couple of months because I wasn't making

1535
01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:34,520
any money off of the news. But I did. I

1536
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,039
wrote a book and it published, and I got copies

1537
01:21:37,079 --> 01:21:40,000
where I just I said, I gave a I autographed

1538
01:21:40,039 --> 01:21:41,920
it for my grandkids, you know, and I had a

1539
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,880
couple from my my sons and stuff. So if everything

1540
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,960
else I ever told my sons, even if they don't

1541
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,800
believe me or not, I want my grandkids and I

1542
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,680
want them to know at least know who I am,

1543
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,640
at least what basically that I did, you know, certain

1544
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,199
things I did when I was growing up. Whether they

1545
01:21:57,239 --> 01:21:59,840
think it's true or not, it doesn't matter. But either ways,

1546
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,760
if they do come up with the truth anytime during

1547
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,520
their lifetime, if they do discover Bigfoot, at least they

1548
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,800
know that that that you know, they said their grandfather,

1549
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,560
which be me, They're gonna they're gonna say, hey, yeah,

1550
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:17,800
my my grandfather was was was one of the Bigfoot knowers.

1551
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1552
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: That's awesome, you know, But any ways, it's a good story.

1553
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,239
Even if you don't even if you don't believe that story,

1554
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:28,000
it's it's still a good story. It's hard to even

1555
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:32,199
believed that all those circumstances that was evolved in this

1556
01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:35,279
situation that I can't believe it either. You have three

1557
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:37,800
big poots and you have three different three people on

1558
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,399
each side of the teams all the way from that

1559
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,359
point and then and then the point where my sister

1560
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,560
and her boyfriend decided to go crawling out in the

1561
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,479
grass and then left move there, visualizing just two other

1562
01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:56,479
figures sitting there. I just can't believe how that even happened.

1563
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,960
I didn't even see them come up, and they got

1564
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:01,520
themselves in that position, the bridge place, those two of

1565
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,079
the big person are sitting there. You know what I'm saying.

1566
01:23:04,399 --> 01:23:07,159
Speaker 2: Whenever I was a researcher and used to go out

1567
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:09,960
in the field looking for these things, we used to

1568
01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:17,560
talk about how nothing is perfect, and sometimes these things

1569
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:23,119
make mistakes, sometimes they slip up. And I believe that

1570
01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:28,640
that night they slipped up there. There was no anticipation

1571
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,479
of six kids hiding out in the dark. There was

1572
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,680
you know, they didn't know that y'all were out there

1573
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:38,680
playing guns or whatever and hiding along that fence line,

1574
01:23:39,359 --> 01:23:40,520
and they just slipped up.

1575
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: Well, And the thinking was that they're probably on that

1576
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,880
same path, they probably been through that same path where

1577
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,199
they're headed, what they were walking through that through many

1578
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,319
if they did many other times or whatever, The fact is,

1579
01:23:52,359 --> 01:23:55,640
we trapped them. Yeah, matter of fact, now you just

1580
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,479
mentioned that, this is the first time I ever thought

1581
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,640
about that. I didn't think that we actually trapped them

1582
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:03,000
in between. We were we're basically out each trapped them.

1583
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:05,800
We were on each side of their their pathways.

1584
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,079
Speaker 2: I mean, which other direction could they go?

1585
01:24:10,319 --> 01:24:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, they couldn't. Yeah, I think, of course, I didn't

1586
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,439
think about the aspect of us actually trapping them where

1587
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,159
they were at, because because my team went around the

1588
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:21,479
other side of the school anyways on the street and

1589
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,000
went and kme got way, so that if there's those

1590
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:26,079
big foods were probably right there hiding right there on

1591
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,600
the side of the of the of the school.

1592
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:30,119
Speaker 2: Anyways where there aren't any lights.

1593
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:33,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's no lights right there. So when we

1594
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:35,520
ran past them, probably in front of that screw and

1595
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,760
went around the other side, getting over to the fart

1596
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,720
of the side of the through, we were actually in

1597
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,199
trapping them, being being my other team being on the

1598
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,840
other side over at the apartments right in between, and

1599
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,600
they had to walk in between us.

1600
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:53,079
Speaker 2: If they knew you were there, before they saw you,

1601
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:59,279
or before you saw them. Rather, they probably thought, give

1602
01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:02,439
them some time, they'll leave out of the area or whatever.

1603
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:07,479
It's nighttime. Kids aren't here at nighttime, and they thought

1604
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,720
you had left the area because you guys hunkered down

1605
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,479
and hid and got quiet, you know.

1606
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: And even at the point when they when they when

1607
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,399
they were looking at me, when I was right there

1608
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,359
at the fence line, right there, they probably they even

1609
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:22,840
probably knew that I wasn't like a food grown man either,

1610
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,039
you know. Oh for sure, probably had since that we

1611
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:29,560
were just we're not like like kid's kids, you know,

1612
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,439
these young kids, but they probably had a feeling that

1613
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,119
we weren't not that we definitely weren't no a threat

1614
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,479
because we're pretty They were pretty quiet anyways, for one pain,

1615
01:25:39,079 --> 01:25:41,720
But I guarantee you that those two that were sitting

1616
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,640
there definitely knew where I was at, especially with me

1617
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,039
whispering back at him trying to tell them to be quiet,

1618
01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:48,279
you know.

1619
01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:53,279
Speaker 2: But then you also have the the variable of your

1620
01:25:53,399 --> 01:25:58,399
sister and her boyfriend hiding off in the grass, giggling

1621
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,119
and cutting up with one another, and they may not

1622
01:26:02,359 --> 01:26:05,079
have seen them, They may not have had their location.

1623
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,840
They might have been younger than the other ones. The

1624
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,399
other ones might have the one that ran up on

1625
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,520
you might have been the one in charge though, I

1626
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,720
mean they could have been too juveniles with an adult.

1627
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where that's what kind of like where look

1628
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,520
at two? Is that that that was? I know that

1629
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,439
was definitely the more the aggressor of the of the three,

1630
01:26:25,079 --> 01:26:28,119
even though it was so many aggression, It's just is

1631
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:29,960
the one that was more in charge? It looked like

1632
01:26:30,039 --> 01:26:30,199
to me.

1633
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:37,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to unpack with your encounter, a lot.

1634
01:26:38,359 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Blinya, even even to this day, although all through the

1635
01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:46,640
years I've written my own journalist anyway, So that's why

1636
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,359
I remember everybody's names and stuff. I remember the two

1637
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,920
brothers names. I remember my sister's boyfriend's name. But now

1638
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,119
my brother he can't remember any of their names. Because

1639
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,479
this this this situation didn't dramatize. It seemed like it

1640
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,960
did me, And so I kept a lot of this

1641
01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:07,600
information that I moved because I was always thinking about

1642
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,560
it throughout the years. And I've written journals myself without

1643
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,319
showing you. I didn't sew anybody, even my brother. I

1644
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:15,560
just swooth I might need showing this and That's why

1645
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,640
that's what I used to actually helped write my book

1646
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:19,880
as well as I just went through my journals and

1647
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,880
stuff and then and and remembering, and then we were

1648
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,239
reading that stuff, You're just remembering every detail you know

1649
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:30,359
that's going on. And so that's where I'm at with

1650
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,720
that too. You know, it's it's just a crazy deal.

1651
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 2: And if you have had your own encounter with Bigfoot

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and you'd like to share your story on the podcast,

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email me at Bigfoot Crossroad at gmail dot com. Check

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out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find

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links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need

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all in one place. And until next time, remember there's

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something in the woods.

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