Speaker 1: It's hard even believed that all those circumstances that was
evolved and you have three big foots and you have
three different three people on each side all the way
from that point and then and then the point where
my sister and her boyfriend decided to go crawling out
in the grass and then left move there, visualizing just
two other figures sitting there. I just can't believe the
hell that even happened. I didn't even see them, and
they got themselves in that position in the first place,
those two of the big posts that are sitting there.
But then the two other brothers, they suggested that we
just we should go to the police department, Me and
my brother. We were so soft spoken ourselves anyways, and
we and like I said, we don't like any confrontational
type of situation. We don't like going to the police.
Especially you can go to the police department and you know,
tell them that we just saw three big foots playing
in the playground. You know it is this, It ain't
gonna happen for us.
Speaker 2: Gurtis, thanks for joining me on Bigfoot Crossroads. Yes, take
us back to nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me start out with I got an
identical twin brother, so without him being involved. And there's
other there's also two other individuals that were that witnessed
the uh these creatures at the same time that I did.
And there's actually three there's three big poots all together.
Oh wow, So I assume that there there's a there's
like a family of three, but without them or actually
the two built. The other two individual were just kids
that we had met and just and and we have
since I haven't really kept in touching them anyways. But
so basically its just me and my brother that can
verify with each other of what we saw. But anyways,
so back in eighty three US we were living in
in the town of gua Rika, California, and that town
is it's slow cared about ten miles from the Oregon border.
And it's also since right at the east side, right
at the bottom of the mountain, but it's right there
at the the Klamath National Forest. Okay, it's in northern
California and it's right there along the side of the
Interstate five. If you know anything about California, there's an
interstate fight that the five that go that runs all
way from Mexico all wro up to Canada. Yeah, and
it goes right, it goes right straight up to the
center of all the you know California, Oregon and uh
and the Washington right up right to Canada. Uh So,
anybody's back in w Rica. Like I said, you've got
the mountains right there, this's the that whole mountain range
right there just fro way Rica. If you're going west,
it's just it's just nothing but forested on just thick,
thick forests. And there's no there's like small communities that
spread out this whole on this Hordle Mountain Range, but
there's no towns of any kind that I can remember
that way. That's all just big, thick forests. And there's
like just the national force itself right there at Klamatha
National Forest. That's like one point seven million acres right there.
But that whole mountain range, there's other it connects with
other uh you know, national forests and everything. You got
the Marble Mountains, and you also got the you got
the Trinity National Forest, and you also have the it's
there was Six Rivers National Forest, which is also that's
where the that what you call Bluff Creek, which is
where the where the Gimblin film. The film site was
made right there, Bluff Creek. If everybody knows what that
one is the Patterson.
Speaker 2: Getting them from, Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's and that's not And as as the
crow flies from way Rica, it's only about seventy miles
you know, if you're looking right straight over the hill
from where where why Rika is at. So we're on
the same mountain range and basically sisk County. I just
I just lived them doing. There's some research that that
whole Siske County in way Rika area, it's it's got
the most signings in California, probably because of the whole
first of the you know, the whole first and everything. Yeah,
and then over you know, if you're looking right over
the coast towards the coast, there's also the redwoods, so
that's pretty thick over there too. It's pretty nice. But
now back in ry Rika, in nineteen eighty three, my
brother and my twin brother and I were we were
fifteen years old, and uh first of all, we we
moved around a lot. We have our dad was a
cook and the uh so to our whole childhood, we
were moving constantly. We moved from town to town. We uh,
you know, we're talking about least once or twice a
year we moved. We didn't stay one screw at more
more than a year at at the very most. And
then we also moved sometimes, you know, two to two
or three times a year. That's how much. That's how
much traveling we've done and litting all over California and Oregon.
So now, like I said, in eighty three, we came
to we came from Oregon to come back into California
and our aunt was living in wy Arika. Well, we
already knew wherehy Rica was too. We've always been there.
We'd stop in to get gassing, but we'd never you know,
anytime we're traveling back and forth to Oregon and California,
would always stop there to get gas every time we
were doing our travel. But our aunt happened to just
end up living there as soon as there maybe about
a year so before we actually arrived. And so this
is the first time we actually got to go to
Wayrika and stay there. But our parents dropped us, me
and my brother and along with our two member siblings
dropped us off with our aunts. So my mom and
dad and travel around California to try to find a
place to live, even though they did come back to
Wyrika anyways a couple months later, and we ended up
living in Wyreka.
Speaker 2: But at this time you were just staying with your aunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's still with my aunt now they ain't. Part
of the town of Wareka is basically right there along
the along the freeway of the I five, where all
the stores and restaurants and everything else, you know, and
the population of the whole town is like thirty five
hundred people at the time. And then where my aunt
was living was in It was in an apartment complex
and that was about that was about two rocks west
of the of the main part of town there, and
it's just a small residential neighborhood. But the apartment complexes
is right next door to a grade school and the
grade school is a there was a one grade one,
two five, So it's got mostly just small kids there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course this.
Speaker 1: Was the summertime anyways. And I only mentioned the school
because this is actually is the place where we actually
had our encounter. So that's why I got to described
what the school and everything around where we were at
and everything. Now where the apartment complex and the screw
in between each other. There's no there's no fence at all.
There's no fence that separates the two properties. And but
the front of our of the apartment suite was facing
the opposite direction where the schools at, which is the
north side of the schools on the north side of
the apartment complex. So for us to get into the
school yard, we just have to go around the backside
or the side of the apartment complex to go just
walk right through the field to get into the to
the school. And on the west, on the whole western
side of that of the school property was a big
eight foot eight to ten for chaining fence that went
all the way up and down north and south in
that whole perimeter, and that's where the soccer slash baseball
field was located. Now, then on the very north on
that north corner basically of the of the school grounds,
the north west corners where the baseball diamonds at. And
then right on connected to the eight point fence was
a man gate, so you can walk through that. But
on the other side of that fence, we were looking
towards the mountains. Now your head looking towards the West.
There's just a big empty, a big piece of property
that's owned by the city and it's just it's undeveloped
and that covered you know, quite a few acres. But
it went from a screw There was about you know,
threw up one hundred yards just looking but just dry
grass and a lot of weeds, you know, tall weeds
like three or through three foot weeds, and then all
the whole perimeters this had a whole bunch of rowing
uh dirt. Now it's basically it's very unstable area. And
there's also got a lot of strawberry and everything three
thick show in some spots.
Speaker 2: So the city wasn't keeping it up or anything.
Speaker 1: No, not that particular part of the property. There's a yeah,
so I don't know, but they did recently. It's actually
I've been there about five years ago myself, and that
I can see that that that whole community is it's
all it's all housing, it's all community. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you if if you know,
if it's changed a lot since then.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I tried to go back and tried to
you know, look at the area that I I seem
my big putting everything and that's totally different. So anyways, yeah,
so then there be all on that field, like I said,
about four four hundred yards. It's just a there was
a just a little residential neighborhood one street up there
that just that's right next to the bottom of the
of the sleep of the steep slope that goes up
to the towards the mountains into the mountains. So that's
that's so basically from the apartments to the mountains is
probably a couple of blocks away from us as all
it was, but it's pretty easy travel come to there. See.
Now we first got to the town, we met a
couple of brothers, me and my me and my brother,
we didn't know anybody. We just go down to the
park in town there and and we ended up meeting
a couple of brothers there and uh there's there were
the same age as we were, so they were the
ones we were hanging out with and we only knew
them for a couple of days. But when when this
incident happened. We also have my younger sister who ended
up having a like a little thing with the with
the with the kid that was about two years older
than me and my brother, my sister was only thirteen
and this this guy, this kid was like seventeen. So anyways,
they're they're kind of a short term I had a
short term thing going on. But they're both also with
us in this in this particular encounter. Now we moved
forward to the day, the day that this happened, and
it was in the middle of It was in the
middle of summer, and so it was very hot. It
was actually we had like a drought going on at
the time, and uh, the tempters definitely was. It was
I remember days that were about one hundred and ten
degrees and uh, you know, so anywhere from one hundred
one hundred to one hundred tenets. So it was very
warm out and even were heay, we tried, we stayed
in most of the time because it's still hot out,
you know. So I mean, now these uh, the two
brothers came to our aarper complex where we were where
we were staying with my aunt. We already ate dinner,
was already getting dumb, it was already getting dark. Anyways,
the sun was already going over and we were already
expecting we're already expecting the two brothers to show up. Anyways,
So they showed up after dinner and already getting dark out,
and it was very bright with stars and everything, so
it's pretty bright in that aspect. And then so we
were outside talking with the brothers and everything, and then
so one of the brothers decided that to they wanted
to play a game. They wanted to play a game
of what we call duns, but it's mostly like a
hide and go seek. We had a team, we had
one and the other team of three, which was my team.
And uh so, yeah, so me and my bro were
not usually that even at this particular time in our life,
we weren't we like playing those kind of games, but
we decided to do it because the two brothers just
were pretty consistent on wanting to do something. So that's
what we decided to do. So now we had my
sister and her and her boyfriend join in with us,
and like I said, now me and my twin brother
we were the team captains because they nobody wanted us
to be on the same team together, you know. So
so anyways, so now I ended up having my sister
and uh and her boyfriend on my team, and then
uh my brother had the other the other two brothers
on his team. So so now we got three on
our team. So basically, uh, I won a coin toss
to where we got to go hide first. So it
was up to my brother's team to be searching for us.
And and when I say guns, oh, we just had
fake you know, we just use our fingers, you know,
to shoot, you know, we're got that's basically where that's
specially where since we're gonna be just a back like
we're gonna shoot each other. But we didn't have any
we didn't really have a really good plan. We just
it was more like a hide and go seek type
of game, you know. So it's kind of a little
bit different than what what I thought we were going
to do. But anyway, so now my brother had to
count down. My brother's team had to count down from
one hundred, so that way that would give us my
team enough time to you know, get some distance away.
So the only the old kind of rules of that
came up with is that we wanted that we couldn't
go and we had to stay within the screw property
or over on the other side of that fence with
where that where the city properties at uh on the
other side of the screw, So that was the only
real rules we have. We didn't have anything else set up,
you know, we're just we just had the other team
that'll be looking for us. So now my brother's team
started to counting down and then we just went at
my team, We just went around the other outside where
the screw was at, and just ran around the other
uh uh over to the other side, and we ran
all up to where the northwest corner of the screw was,
and that's where the baseball diamond was at. So there's
a little there was a little four foot fencerack there
that once along got north the perimeter of the screw property,
but always had to jump over that real quick. And
so my team just went and laid down right behind
the baseball diamond. And like I said, there's the man
gate right behind us also right there on on that
chain League fence. So now at this point I didn't
know exactly where my brother's team was at. You know,
we're hiding. And the light said, and the stoke it
was bright enough. The lights were from the stars was
pretty bright gave them. So we can actually see the
field pretty eastly, you know, but any anything that's walking around,
if you just see like a shadowy figures because it
was it wasn't that line out. But we can also
see from the baseball dim and we could see the
apartment complex that had lights from there, and behind the
school where the kids school on the playgrounds that had
had some lighting there. And we also see we can
also see the street lights on the other side of
both the apartments and the and the school there. So
there was a little bit of light. It wasn't like
the good enough that we could see details or everything.
But now my brother's team is actually located right basically
on the school grounds, but right next to the next
to the apartment complex, whis basically diagonal from where we
were at. We're you know, estimating what maybe one hundred
and fifty feet maybe or something like that, you know,
just as an estimate. So now what these when these
creatures showed up, it was it took a while because
we were sitting there. My team was laying down behind
that baseball battling for I would say at least a
four or five minutes, you know, because we were waiting
for the other team because they're supposed to be looking
for us. And I'm not sure why my brother decided
to just to hold off. They were just kicking back,
I guess. But they're also laid down in the grass
as well. So basically, like I said, about five minutes
goes by. But now my brother's team, they were the
first rooms that got to see these bigfoots come into
the pictures because those bigfoots were right through on the
side of the school, right right in between the school
and that complex, the armor complex. There's no lighting right
there in that to their section because it's right on
the side of the school, so it's kind of dark
right there. Yeah, but there's a but there's a street
right there, there's a little there's like an access for
right next for the for the school workers right next
to the school, especially in between the school and the
and the apartment complex. But that's what the bigfoots were
came walking out of. They came walking and and they
started and they were heading towards that, towards the field
and towards that changing fence. And as they were walking,
they were they were walking about ten or fifteen feet
apart apart from each other, and they're, like I said,
there's three of them. So now they're walking in front
of my brother. They're looking at my brother and his
team are looking at these figures walking in front of them,
and none of my brother or his team, they didn't
want to say nothing. They just sat there and watched
these creutures just walking front of them. They're probably about
fifty feet in front of U with my brother and
we're laying down. They let them walk by, and they
kind of went to a little bit of a shock
and everything, and they couldn't they really couldn't believe what
they were looking at. But they didn't say anything because
they didn't want to. They didn't want to draw attention
to it, watching these creatures walk in front of them
like that. It wasn't until the big puts got all
the way down and got within a you know, ten
or fifteen feet from the the fence when they actually
looked at each other and started they definitely they started
whispering each other. The one of the brothers said, Hey,
that's that's bigfoot, you know, And that's it. That's all
it was, And they all knew, they all agreed for
sure that that's exactly what they're looking at. It was
a big It was big. There's three of them, and
uh and their estimated size of these were you know,
just you know, some were over They're definitely over six
feet because the two brothers were like six feet tall themselves,
and they they they permiss and that they these big
foots were even taller than they or so, so that's
my understanding there. But we also came to a conclusion
later on that there were probably the juveniles bigfoot, you know,
after after analyzing all the stuff that we were thinking
about after after the fact. But meanwhile, when they did,
when my brother's team watched these bigfoots up, yet two
of the acts were that fence. Like I said, this
fence is at least eight feet I for some reason
think it's like almost ten feet tall. But because I've
climbed that fence before myself, and I'm I was five
seven myself, it just seems like eight foot would need
that big of a deal. But I remember having to
crawl up that defence before. It seems like it's about
ten feet tall, but it's it's it's anywhere from eight
to ten. So that's that's a lot better to just
to think that that way, I guess. So basically, when
these bigfoots got to the fence, the biggest went out
of the out of the through biofoots that were there.
He all he did he or she, I can't wait
tell you what's what it would. But all it did
is is grab the top. It just grabbed hold of
the top of the fence and just yanked it soap
up and just threw it soap on the other side
of the just on the other side to that to
the property of the city.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, the other two, the other two bigots, they decided
they just walked right back down the fence line back
towards the apartment complex, uh opery line there, and then
the fence just stops right there at the property line anyways,
and all you have to, oh, you have to just
walk right around the fence and then you back then
you're in that undeveloped piece of property there. And that's
basically that's basically what my brother had seen. Now in
my situation, I will go back to where I was at.
I was we were behind here. I actually remember I
started to fall asleep of it. I just I dozed
off anyways, But when those big foots came into the
started across some where my brother was at, my sister
nudged me, uh and kind of woke me up and
the other the boyfriend, he was right there too. He
actually said, hey, there's the other team. You know that's
coming up. So basically I wiped my eyes off and everything.
And then and definitely, I guess we definitely see the
silhouettes walking across. The few of them. Like I said,
we were probably at least at least one hundred feet
away from him, So we took we didn't, you know,
we need to see any details or anything out of them.
And at this point in time, we're just you know,
as far as I'm concerned, there's my brother's team, right,
I mean, like you got three days that's walking. But
in my own I'm not thinking Bigfoot Denson's not on
my rank on whatsoever. So you know, why would I
be thinking about it Bigley, you know. And so like
I said, and the detail wasn't there's not enough details
we need even consider that fact. So we watched the
rock and walking across the into the baseball field. Basiclyek
come right straight towards the fence, but not really paying attention.
I was like staring at him or anything like that.
But you know, but we were definitely I could definitely
visualize them walking across and so now my uh my
sister's boyfriend decided he wanted to get up and just
start blasting away, you know, with our gun fingers, you know.
And I said, no, no, I don't want to do
that because we're too far away. So I suggested that
we just go ahead and just just get ourselves on
the other side of the fence, even not not knowing
if they're if that's what they were planing rob doing anyways,
We didn't know if those figures are gonna jump over
the fst but at least we would be on the
other side of the fence, and if those those figures
came walking down towards that they stayed on the on
the on the screw grounds, we would still be right
to on the other side of the fence and we'd
start blasting away if they came up to us. But
it turns out that they are on the other side anyways,
which we didn't know. And like I said, my brother
told me that that these bigfoot that one bigfoot jump
over the tainleing fence. Now we were crawling through that fence.
That proves the same time the throws that those bigfoots
got to the fence anyways, and I'm holding onto the fence,
and I don't hear nothing. I don't hear the fence rattle,
because normally if you're on a if you're going to
crawl on a tainleing fence, you're gonna hear something. You're
gonna hear a rattle. You got thurible and all that stuff.
So so I guarantee that whatever, if that's what they did,
they that one jumped over the fence. I just did
it in one fast loop, just went up there and
I just grabbed a hold and just just flung itself
over the other side without making a noise, you know.
And then they probably had that type of the probably
that agile anyways, where they can do that kind of stuff.
They probably used to doing that. So, like I said,
we crawled, you know, we crawled through the other side,
through the through that manngate. We just crawled through there.
And then we started heading down off along that ends
line basically towards the center of the of the field there,
but on the over on the property side, the property
of the city, and uh, and we kind of do
it kind of slops. We didn't want to make any noise.
We didn't, you know, because eventually they're going to either
come to us and we're gonna have an element of
surprise no matter what. But we didn't want we didn't
really want to draw too much attention to it at
that particular time.
Speaker 2: Um hm.
Speaker 1: So we get down there. Finally we get down They
took a few minutes or whatever, but we get to
about center of the field, of the of the fence line,
and that's where we decided to stay. We decided to
sit right there because that's about the about the same
place where we see these big foots come up to
the fence or in this in my case, I thought
it was the other team. So we just put our
backs against the fence and just started looking towards the mountains,
you know, in that direction, basically the same direction going
towards that that the residential neighbor neighborhood they said, about
four hundred yards away, and right down below us, we're
up on a little bit the fence line was a
little bit of the slope, so it was down about
maybe two or three feet before the you're on that
other piece of property, and there's a lot of ruts
on the ground and stuff. There's very uneeded property. Then
right to the just a little bit to our them
to the luck to us, there's a pretty big thick
piece of brush, you know, so something could hide behind there,
of course, but that was one of the areas that
we didn't want to go past, and we just wanted
to kind of because because we can still see down
the fence line. The fence line is still pretty clear.
We could still crawl down that way if we wanted,
but we had that brush right there, so that was
kind of helping us with a little bit of shelter
for ourselves. Now we sat there now at this point,
my sister and embokmen and they were kind of getting
boarded the game, and they are already kind of there
were certain some signs that they were they're more into
each other basically, right, so they're kind of giggling up,
and I was kind of get a little bit agitated
at this point in time, and I kept telling to
be quiet because I didn't want them to I want
our team to get discovered, you know. So we were
sitting there for a couple of minutes, but then finally
my sister and then the boyfriend decided they just they
wanted to go crawling out with the grass. And they,
you know, and I was more than happy. I just said, okay,
just go ahead and go, you know, just getting getting
a bat of getting away from me was what I
wanted them to do, because they're just giggling stuff anyways,
not really loud, but just giggling enough where it's gonna
give us away, you know. So when they started crawling
through the grass, and it's like it was about three
foot leads and grass and anything, I wasn't really paying
attention to my sister and the boyfriend. I didn't I
didn't know exactly which way they were headed or anything.
They just oh, I noticed that I lost sight of
them once they crawled into the grass. And they are
still giggling stuff. So it's just enough cracking hear them
pretty good, you know, still a little noise, and I
really wanted them to be that. I kept trying to
tell him be quiet a little bit, you know, moved
like a kind of a louder whisper, I guess. Anyway,
So I just sat there and this whole time all
I was doing is just just scoping, just scanning my
head back and forth all the way from looking down
the fence line and then going all the way and
and just scanning all the way back down from where
we came from and scanning all that property. Anyways, So
after a few minutes after it was probably about two
minutes later after my sister and now they're still in
the grass, suwheer. But as I was coming around and
from the looking north basically and then coming around to
look back down the fence line again, now I see
two figures the twenty feet away from me that were
that were squattered on one of those dirt and those
grassy dirt mounds that I was telling about. It's only
maybe a flot or too high, you know, But at
this point, I I career, I just in my mind,
it was just it was my sister. It was my
sister and her boyfriend. So I could see the silhouettes,
you know, looking you know, just looking straight at me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. At this point there there wasn't a lot of light,
but I could see there's lights coming from the neighborhood,
like I said, quite a few yards away, and there's
and of course the starlights and everything. So I could
definitely see that there's two figures there. Plus they were
right next like I. So it was twenty few array
but they were right next to that brush, on the
thick brush I was telling you about, So maybe that
was a place where they just came out of. But
I didn't see them arrive at all. So that's why
it all came to It wasn't even surprised at that
time because I could it was as far as I
was concerned, that was my sister and her boyfriend. Even
though later I could definitely look at my I can
look back and I can remember that these these true
uh uh figures were just sitting there, just staring straight
at me. Didn't make any move, wasn't moving at all,
even though like I I just kept scanning back and
thirta anyways, and every once in a while, about every
couple fifteen twenty seconds out, I'd be looking at those
two and I raised my hand up and trying to
tell those two figures that stop, you know, the stop
giggling and stuff, you know, stop making noise. So basically
I was having an interaction with these two figures, even
though it wasn't a communication part of it. But they
recognized me, even though I didn't know exactly what I
was looking at at the time, but it was still
considered a an interaction. I guess it's it because they
knew where I was. My sister and them, they were
definitely crawled up. They were definitely close enough so that
when they were when my sister and her Bertha were
still giggling and stuff, it was still a close note
rocket that the sound was just to me, it was, uh,
was was close enough to those two figures that that's
that I still thought that that's what they were. That
was my sister Eric worker. So they weren't. They were
only a matter of whatever feet feet, you know, so
many feet away. They're They're definitely even closer than when
I was. I mean I was twenty feet.
Speaker 2: Away, So they were between you and two figures. But
you didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or the more I don't care. Yeah, my sister
and they were actually more to the a little bit
more to the right where I'm looking straight and those
two figures were a little bit just right off at
an angle, just slightly to the left of me and
my sister and them because they were sitting on the
right of me anyways, and they just went straight out
and uh, and as far as I was concerned, they
were just went straight straight out, you know, because I
wasn't paying attention to exactly which stretch and they started
the head but that was my estimated figures that they
just went straight out and they were probably within by
the time they got well out into the thick rushing
or the thick weeds, and that they they were probably
within ten feet on those two figures themselves. Wow, look
out them even knowing it, because they didn't know it,
because they all they could do all my surial just
hear me just trying to whisper back to them to
be quiet, you know, even though it wasn't doing anything good.
So meanwhile, now it goes on for another about another
two or three minutes. I'm still just just just scanning
my head around back and forth. And then all of
a sudden, and I'm doing my turn back up looking
starting to look towards the south on that long fense line,
and now I see it. I see something come running
out behind the bush from that thick brush that was
and they it man, Actually it was about another five
feet behind the other two that were sitting on that now,
and that thing, I mean, it was coming pretty fast.
That thing was so fast as he start. I mean
I look back at it I know it was pretty fast,
but at the time it was happening, it was it
was it was everything was happening so fast. But it's
not that I got scared when came because I wasn't.
Like I said, I wasn't even looking for bait for anything,
so I wasn't scared of anything. At this time. I
just thought it was my brother's team. I thought it
was one person from the other team, and I couldn't
which what I thought it was all these news the
other team, still thinking that those other two that were
sitting on the mound was my sister and workman. But
either ways, those two figures didn't even didn't even budge anyways.
Even that one came running around in the behind the
other two, those two figures just stayed right exactly where
they were now. So that made that that creature that
they went around those other two, that was at least
twenty five to thirty feet from where I was at.
And uh, like I said, I everything happened so fast,
so I'm thinking, Okay, it's the other team, and even
before I can before I can even get on my feet,
that creature was already went completely around those two and
was already almost was stopped by the time I got
on my feet to start yelling and start saying that
it was the other team. About the same time I
got up and started yelling the other team that that
big pot. That's when you know the bit was stopped,
like we're talking ten feet from me, because I already
went past those other two. And that was that was
actually just stopped with the ten maybe twelve at the most,
but it stopped right there. And then I was just
sitting there. It just stood there and looked at me,
and it, uh, it tilted his head from where I
was at it till to the left side, but it
was it was it was on its right side, tilt
his head like it was like it was trying that
communicate or probably it was. It was almost like it
was curious of me. There's nothing regressive about about what
it but about what he was doing or it was doing.
But all the all I know is it just it
tilts his head to one side, and it was it
was slightly bent in the knees, and and it was
kind of and the and the head like the back
was arcs a little bit facing forward as well. But
the thing I could definitely see out of the whole
this whole creature was the I can see the hair
going all the way from the head and it was
going right all the way down the shoulders, and I
can see part of the arms, and the arms were
going down into the shadows where I couldn't see the
full length of the arms. I could see the individual
hairs all coming all the way down to around its
shoulders and uh, and it was either gonna be it
was definitely short haired type of things. I see the
individual hairs, but it wasn't like long hair. I didn't
see any long hairs coming from the like the arms
or anything. But I could see the actual individual hairs
on the shoulders. And the one thing I did notice
it was definitely it was quite a bit wider than me,
so I knew it was quite a bit bigger, but
still at this time and this and this was going
on this for about three seconds. When I decided to
start blasting away, I just started, Uh. I started just
going bang bang bang bang bang. After after I yelled out,
there was the other team and I just yelled out
the top of my lump. So basically I was I
wasn't even at this time, I was just it was
just the other team to me, just that one, just
the one.
Speaker 2: Different dn't registered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just hadn't rested my mind. Just even though I
could definitely see there's something was definitely wrong, I was
still set on just my my drum was going because
I wanted to I just wanted to shoot the other team.
So now I'm just banging my fingers away, banging away.
And then now at that point, the other two that
were sitting on the on that dirt mound, they stood up,
and then I knew, I knew that there's something wrong.
I was okay, something was definitely not right yet because
they anyways, but they all those two got up, and
then you all just turned around, all three of them.
They just started leaping away from me, back going a
heading towards the hills and towards that little residential neighborhood
ways away, and I can see they're just leaping. They
were leaping through the room, through the tall grass. So
at this time, now now I go into kind of
a shock because the only thing that was coming out
of my mouth at that point, I just started yelling
out deer. I just started yelling deer for whatever, you know,
just because I can only think of the reason I
was doing because of the way they're leaping, leaking through
the grass, knowing that these were definitely not deer because
they are on two legs for sure, just there. They
are definitely human form. And but at the same time,
I definitely didn't I didn't. I didn't think of them
as being human either, you know, so it was definitely
gonna be between a human and whatever whatever it was.
At this time in my mind, I just I just
couldn't register what was going on. I was confused, and
I'm just yelling deer now. I was yelling that so
loud too. It's like my brother can hear me from
the other from way back in the apartment complex, because
like I said, my brother. And then they got scared anyways,
and they retreated back into the apartment complex. But when
they heard me rowing, I think they're pretty they're afraid
of what was happening to me. They they probably were
trade Later on, of course, they said they were afraid
that maybe that those bigfoots were attacking me or whatever.
So they came running across the field from the apartment complex,
and uh, well, yeah, let's go, let's keep moving. Before
brows at anyway, So I can still see these figures there,
like you said, they're they're already they're leaping away from me.
And then of course I stopped shooting eventually then, but
I can still see them. They'll be looking at him.
They actually slowed down, they just came become more like
a like a faster walk. But they're just with you know,
with wide strides, I guess it'd say. And I can
see them looking back at me. They're they just turned
their upper torsos. They're just they're just looked back at me,
you know, these big figures. And uh so I was
still confused. I was just like I could do what
I was looking at. I didn't want to believe in
bit because I just I just didn't. I just didn't
want to think of them because I didn't I didn't
know anything about me but except stories and stuff. But meanwhile,
my sister and her boyfriend finally were standing next to me,
which I didn't even notice until later, and they can
still they can see these stubish as well, but they
are still three far away. They were probably about fifty
or sixty yards away, no matter what, maybe you know,
one hundred pet or whatever. But but we could see them.
We were watching him, and uh so my sister and
her boyfriend. They definitely could not identify them as being
bigfoot at all because as far as as far as
what we can look at at where we were standing,
they were just upright bipedal whatever pedal, uh pussons or whatever.
But anyways, so meanwhile, I can hear my brother come
running across the field walk. I'm right there. I'm at
the fence, and I'm still confused. I'm still I'm still
in shock. I guess you'd see. So I turn around,
I'm holding on to the fence, and I can see
my brother's team running up to the fence line. And
I didn't hear him yelling something, but they didn't nothing.
I couldn't hear anything until he got to me. I
was probably with about ten feet from them getting to
the fence, and they're running pretty fast. But all I
can hear is my brother just just yell out that
that they staw a big and once they said that,
that's when everything totally changed in my whole life up
to this point. And I mean, it's hardly even explained
about how how scared a person can be. I mean
because I've been scared. I've seen I've had baron counters
myself when my in my old in my adulthood, I've
had five different uh cross encounter basically with bears, black
bears in California. So I do a lot of hiking.
But but after this incident, I've never felt anything as
scared as I've ever been before that incident and more
after us It's one of those experiences I've never It's
one thing I've never ever watered fear that pain, same
fear ever ever in my life, you know. But I
was so scared, I went do a deep shock and
uh almost probably my heart was getting ready to just
just pounce out of my chest. Just the fact that
my brother said that they saw a big the name
be put right there. That was it. It's just I
lost almost everything and somehow I ended up on My
brother told me that that I just almost pretty much
just jumped over the fence. I mean as fast as
I could. I just grabbed a hold, I just used
my hands just and pretty much just a couple of
strides up the thing and grabbed and just jump and
just jump through real the side. And then and I left,
I left my sister uh and her boyfriend right there,
and I don't even know how how they got over,
but you on your only memory I had after that,
uh once he said, big put case, I weren't Tony blank.
I didn't even know what I was doing. All I
know is that I see I remember being about halfway
down the field of the of the of the soccer field,
and I think I got to the other side and
I just, uh, I just fell to my knees. Finally,
I fell on my knees because I can see my
hands and everything, and I remember rubbing my rubbing my eyes.
I had tears just coming out of my eyes like
crazy because I was That's how scared I was. I was.
It was the worst thing. I was the worst thing
I ever had. But when you look back, I know
for a fact that they weren't. There's nothing aggressive about
it that these creatures. It's just that I had this
thought of a big foot being just a folklore monster
or whatever. You know. It was just something that I
so basically, my my fear only came out of what
what I thought happened, you know, not what what what
is gonna happen later. I mean, I was just told
to fear what I what I thought could have could
have actually really happened, that they really wanted to do something, Jimmy,
you know, yeah, So like I said, I was it
was just it was the most scared thing that the
ever had my whole life. And it's and I and
I never had anything that scary. Matter of fact, every
time I've had any kind of bulb any encountered any
kind of Like I said, the bears are the only
the only thing that I've ever came close to that
could have resembled any kind of fear. But with with
the blackbirds in California after that incident, everything it just
pales compared to compared to that feenie I had. So
to me, looking at a bear, it was like was
like nothing to me. You know, It's just I just
felt I felt at ease because at least I know
what a bear is, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did you lose that feeling of fear as
you got older or did it stay with.
Speaker 1: You as far as that whole situation. I actually I've
actually come to the terms of goal that that whole situation,
that fear lasted for for at least weeks. Upon that
I didn't even want to go outside at night at
all for quite a while. But when time goes by,
you know, a couple months goes by. We end up
living in Wayrika anyways, and we went to high school there,
and we actually stayed in that town for about five
or six years. You know, we lived around the areas
we still moved from, like Trainer Park to train the
Park and all as stuff, you know, in the apartment
complexes and everything else. But we still lived in the area.
And there's those little community towns within, uh you know,
five ten miles away that we actually moved out, like
farm Farm Country area too, but still way Rika was
our main hub and went to high school there for
a couple of years. Yes, So, like I said, the
the fear actually kind of up because we met up
with other friends up after that. After that time though,
we we had a couple of other friends that we
actually were hiking up in the mountains with ourselves. We
can hike up from right apartment complex we were at,
there's a cyber event on the south side, goes right
up to the cemetery and it's only a couple of
blocks away and it goes right into up to just
before you go into the mountains. All you had group.
All you gotta do is walk through the cemetery and
you just jump over a little fence right there and
you can and there's a there's a pathway that just
goes right up to up to the top of the
to the grade, and it's about it comes up to
about a two hundred ft elevation game by the time
you get to the top of the ridge up there.
But then you can just walk towards the north on
the top of that mountain up there, and then can
there's an overlook you can overlook and you can see
the whole town and we can see the I can
see the where you can see the apartment complex, and
you see the school and everything right where we were at.
You know, it looks like a bunch of little ants
and stuff looking at it from where we're at. But
you can also see the freeway, you can see the
I five, and you can see the rest of the
town right right next to it. And you can also
see Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta's only about thirty miles to
the southeast of town up on the ridge that you
can see that pretty good. And it's kind of flat
up there anyways, everything east of town, and everything is
kind of a flat more flat. There's no mountains you
can see except for that, except for that Mount Shasta,
and so you know, beam up there. We were up
there about a couple of years after, you know, after
this happened. So and I felt comfortable being up in
the mountains anyways, because we do a lot of hiking
and camping anyways. But but standing up on that ridge,
you can, I can know, I just me and my
brother would just imagine how the what the bigfoot we're
looking at? Yeah, you know, And and of course they
they must have been doing this kind of stuff for years,
maybe not going into town all the time whatever. Be like,
I still haven't planning saying that they'd go down on
the outskirts of town like that. But but it definitely
happened to us, you know, for whatever reason. And like
I said, I believe that these were probe juveniles and
they're probably curious, and of course they know what the
screw is. So I'm sure they've been up there on
that top of the ridge looking down on the They
know that there's kids that play in that playground all
the time. M hm, So they knew the path, so
they probably wanted that same exact path where to get
to get over at least towards that side of the screw.
I don't know where they are hanging out anywhere past
that screw or not going into town, because right there,
about a block or two arrays right there, there's an
alley behind those there's like a bunch of stores and
restaurants and stuff. There's an alley where they got these
big bends, big trash bands where they throw away own
food and stuff. Like don't like, there's a doughnut shop there.
They throw food away, you know, like they old doughts
or whatever. They got a pizza place over there. So
and this is just pure theory that you know that
they might have just went down there to be looking
to the trash cans or whatever. But that's just my
my own personal theory.
Speaker 2: Uh. I would I would say that's a pretty solid theory. Actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing was, like I said, it was,
there was a drought going off. So that's the reason
why that even even I brought that up, because even
while we were even while we were there, even afterwards,
we we already we we even knew, we already knew
reports of uh of other wildlife coming down into town
that that normally room come down in town. Like there's
a lot of deer would come down for sure. Uh,
coyones were known to come down and uh uh and
what over else you know up there, you know, but
mostly dear stuff that you normally wouldn't see come down
in town like that. But so yeah, so we'd heard
a report about like that, So I kind of fear
the manu those those even if those creatures coming down,
they're probably trying to figure out a way to eat also,
you know, find something, you know, so that especially when
I'm not with that, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, so where I live in Oklahoma, stories of
bigfoot coming into towns, you know, areas like you're talking
about that's just like kind of on the edge of
town where it dumps out into the wilderness or whatever,
and them coming in and raiding dumpsters, hanging around schools,
being seen by kids at school playing baseball like you're
right there on the baseball. I mean, everything that you're
talking about, even down to the cemetery, are like common
things that people tell stories about in com are even bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's uh to and even to this day,
I even me and my well freak, well, me and
my brother. We once this happened, we talked, We talked
about it probably within that year, but then we just
stopped talking about it all together. After that, you know,
we just decided, okay, that was it. And then over
the years we never really talked about it. But you know,
we always, uh we were pretty sy about telling people
was we were shy kids. We were always moving around,
so we didn't have any friends. We just had to
make friends every time we moved, so so we ended
up being kind of shy until we moved around so
much and go different schools.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask you, like, did you, you know,
being kids and all, did you talk to other kids
about it later on?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, no, after this incident. Uh even we were
back back at that time when I was going through
my uh my, my episode, when I was in the
middle of that field at night, you know, eight or
nine or not. That night, we sat around, we just
sat around in a circle. Eventually after I because I
was in shock for so, I was in shock so
bad that I couldn't even lunch and I couldn't even
I couldn't even really speak of anything for about a
half an hour to forty five minutes later, So we
decided to sit around and I'm of course, I'm facing
in the circle. I'm looking, I'm facing towards the fence
because I'm just that's because I'm only had the most
traumatic traumatic out of all of us. I had the
worst aout all of us. So so we started talking
about instantly, we compared stories with each other. Of course
I was the last one to finally get to say something,
because you know, I was able to finally say something.
But then we came to the conclusion that what that.
The two brothers, the two other brothers, they suggested that
we just we should go to the police department. Right, yeah, well,
me and my brother already this is already, this is
already probably an hour into already, what are what happened?
So the situation was already done with. And besides that,
me and my brother, we were so soft spoken ourselves anyways,
and we and like I said, we don't like any
confrontational type of situation. We don't like going to the
police for just bandom stuff like that. Especially you've been
to go to the police department and you know, telling
them that we just saw three big foots playing in
the playground. You know it's this It ain't gonna happen
for us because we had Me and my brother has
enough sense that first of all, we just got to
that town within just days, within three days to a week,
whatever it was, it was pretty it was a pretty
quick evolution that happened. But for us to show up
in the town where nobody knows us and then here
we are telling, telling, talking about a big foot story.
We you know, me and my brother just don't want
to have that type of a tension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not starting out great.
Speaker 1: Well at all. So and me and my brother eve
at fifteen, we had a lot of common sense, and
we purpose talked to the other brothers too. It wasn't
that it wasn't that hard to talk to them, just say, hey,
it's it's not worth it. You're just gonna all you're
gonna do is a bye, all of this to be ridiculed, basically.
So that's and that's basically what happened. We just all decided, okay,
yeah we're not We're not gonna say anything. That's it.
And then with those two brothers, what's funny about them
is that we like said when we need were for
a few days at that point in time, and we
also went to school with them in high school. But
after that night we once we once they were a
home and we went back to our into the apartment
and stuff. We never hooked back up with these guys again.
We just we seen them. We weren't we weren't animals.
We were actually we were still a friendly to him
and stuff, but we didn't we didn't become like best
friends with them at all. Yeah, and we never talked
to him about the situation. Resist for whatever reason, we
just once we separated, the bigfoot kind of thing just stopped.
We just didn't talk about it. We didn't definitely talk
about it while we were in school and and anybody else,
except when we didn't go back to the apartment complex
that night. We tried to tell my aunt about what
was going on. Her and her boyfriend decided they were
just laughing at us, basically, you know, just joking. I
wouldn't say flat out laughing, but there they knew that.
They just thought it was just the fact that we
just showed up and that we're just seeing things or whatever,
you know, that's all the So they were definitely a
they they definitely didn't leave our story at that particular time.
So yeah, so and when, like I said, matter of fact,
we didn't even I didn't even tell anybody about our story.
Like over twenty something years later, basically, uh, me and
my brother both started working on the the ships we
started working we were merchant mariners for twenty five years
and anyways, we were working on the ships, and that's
when I first my brother did it was even less
pocket than myself. You know, I was the most boisterous
out of all, out of me and him, I was
I'm the one always like to talk little bit, but
even though I'm still I'm still very reserved and that
very shy, but I'm just a little bit more vocal
than my brother. Basically is where I get that point.
But I ended up telling her I was working on
a boat with it, and I had a captain who
I told the story to you, and he was the
first person. And I was about I was probably about thirty,
I want to say, I was probably about five or
thirty six, I think when I when I told him
that story years later, yeah, you know, and then the
only sad thing about the only bad thing about that
was that my captain. You know, he's one of those
guys that just he loves stories and he likes to
joke around. He likes to talk a lot. I mean,
he he we were talking in personally that subject he
came up because he lived he lives that in Tahoe,
and he was telling me about a lot of his
bearer encounters and all that stuff. And then, for whatever reason,
I decided to feel comfortable and to say, well, I
got a story to tell you about Bigfoot. And he
was and he seemed to be very imbaressed about it,
right yeah, And I'm telling him the exact same story
that I'm telling you. And at the end of that story,
he was pretty excited about it, and he and he
and he related to me that he that he beat me.
But later on I found out that he was even
though if he believed me in art even to this day,
I don't know if he believed it, but he knew,
he knew how much of an honest person I was.
So I just can't believe that he'd even think that
I wasn't telling him the truth, you know, I just
I worked with him for about fifteen years, but basically
he would always he would be telling the story, the
same story, or he would tell a story every time
a new person would come in, like a new maid
or new deckhand would come in, and I was always
there for I was there for a long time myself.
He would always have them go ask me to tell
them about the Bigfoot story. I didn't like that because
I already I already felt very self conscious about telling
that story, because it's even to this day, it's embarrassing
to tell the story, and just just to normal people,
you know, I don't like telling It's just it's an
embarrassing subject just because you know they're going to look
at you kind of kind of weird, you know. So yeah,
So basically, so I had to tell my story quite
a few different times, or at least a few different times.
So I kept telling my cap I don't want to
I don't want him to be kept keep telling people,
you know that I've got, you know, this brutus story,
because it's just I don't want to have to deal
with all that stuff, you know. So that's basically it.
But but then now we jump up all the until
just uh, basically this just this last January, that's the
only time. That's the first time i'd actually became more.
I actually started telling everybody on Facebook all because I
joined all these groups. I didn't realize that that Facebook
had all these uh bigfoot groups, uh pages. So I
started looking into all that stuff, and then I started
I joined about a half or not to happen, I
actually it doesn't. I pick out twelve different I didn't
want to just join every one of them. I just
joined like the twelve of the most rate, top rated ones.
I could see they had the most followers, you know,
and uh, so I just started joining all of them.
Then I then I decided to do a word a
word processing where I just wrote out my whole story
so that way I would have to repeat the same thing,
so I can just go and cut and paste that
into the posts. You know, it's it, So I just
so I just do it one time. All I do
is just cut and paste my saying story to all
the all those twenty four groups that I did. And
not all of those posts accepted my my stories because
they some of those posts they don't allow certain types
of stuff, I guess, but the majority of them, majority
of my of those groups that I did actually posted
my stove. So and only like a day after that posting,
which is like basically why on January January first, is right?
It was the first time I posted, and that was
the very first day when I got my first person
that came that that contacted me about a podcast want
me to be on their podcast station. At this point,
I didn't I did not even I didn't even know
what a podcast was. I didn't know what a podcast
station was. I didn't know anything about a podcast. The
only thing I don't even talking about what I didn't
even know what the nerve. I didn't even know the
term podcast. But I knew Joe like Joe Rogan, which
I watched here, but I didn't know that was a podcast,
which I didn't know that. I just know I've watched
like Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: I mean, you jumped right into the deep end.
Speaker 1: Everything happened. So it was it was crazy because I
got Linda eastbourn Is is the first person that that
got to hold me. And I don't know if you
know her or not, but she's she's a researcher herself,
but she goes by her name that but she's a podcaster,
so it doesn't have like a regular title for her
pod cast, it's just her name. Yeah, so she got
she contact moved. I'm going okay. I had to ask
her what it pot would have meant? But what was it?
What was a podcast? Right? So so so I didn't
know what it was. And then she told, yes, she's
she told me where she was, what she's all about,
and see, uh, you know, she broadcasts her stuff on
the YouTube and everything. Because even YouTube I didn't realize
had all those podcasts on it, you know. And I
and since then, of course, I've been I've just been
I've been infatuated with with YouTube. That's my main channel,
and I've been watching and tools tons of bigfoot uh
you know, documentary type stuff and podcasts like I said,
like and like you said earlier, it was I just
jumped myself into not realizing what was going to follow
after that, because I ended up doing You're my eighth
my eighth podcast so forth this point, you know, in
seven months since January, and then of course one of
those podcasts, I uh, I actually had to me and
my brother traveled to a to a It wasn't that far.
Why it's a couple hours away from us. Well, Santa Cruz.
There's a radio station and apparently that's ah they do
the nighttime program and it's a It's Natural podcast. So
we actually went there and this time listened to my
first time that my brother was actually on with me.
So now we both were there. So at least the
nice one with my brother is that that he can
actually he was my witness as well, so he was
able to balidate exactly everything I was saying. But but
of course his his you know, his take on what
he saw was was at a different vantage point from
where I was at, which which actually which actually gives
a lot more credibility to the whole story. Anyways, you know,
because because of course it's me and my brother. Listen,
me and my brother was on that fence line right
next to each other, and we see the same thing,
and basically we're just boasts telling the same exact story.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that's all that.
Speaker 1: But now that my brother rays involved and you know,
to be able to you know, validate my my story too,
and he will tell his part of the story. It
all ties into both of our stories. Basically, it all
is the same. It's the same. It was the same encounter,
even though my encounter was the one that was the
more frightening part of it.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I was going to ask you, with
you being the more talkative one, how he felt about
you coming forward and sharing the encounter. Has he been
supportive and everything?
Speaker 1: Well, he was definitely supportive of He's kind of embarrassing
because after I got on and did all these podcasts
and stuff, because we will do door dashing together right together.
He does his door dash and I do my door dash.
And we lived in a section and town where we
had like a it's a small it's a small community area.
We've got all these we got like pizza places, we
got all these different places that and then everybody's gotten
the nose pretty good. You know, we got our people,
the store owners, I mean actually actually become pretty uh
people recognize us and and they know our names. You're
pretty good. So you know, and now that I know
these people by name when I go when I started
doing my podcast and stuff, now I'm starting to brag
to everybody about my podcast. You know, I've been on podcasts,
I've been doing this and then uh, you know, going
to the Santa Cruz. I've also told them about me
going to Seattle to be on a you know, on
this uh uh, this show that's gonna be broadcast here
and whatever. Next year sometime we'll do the documentary. But
now we're almost kind of becoming like a like a
like a local celebrity type of situation. You know, as
I go to this restaurant, to a family restaurant with
an owner, he comes. I walk in there, and he
when I first told him about us, you know about
these podcasts of he you know, he got really into it.
And then now when I was going in there, at first,
he was getting me to guys and to go to
all these customers. He'd be walking into the customers to
shake their hands and stuff. This is the guy that
I told you about that was that uh that saw Bigfoot,
you know, I mean it was embarrassing. I was still embarrassed.
I didn't want that. I didn't want that type of attention,
especially because a big put because then then a crowd
of people in a restaurant, and I don't like crowds anyways.
And and and now now we're gonna go back to
talking about my brother. My brother was even it's definitely
not hip with being a center of attention whatsoever. And
he's he was embarrassed. But but the cat was already
out of the bag, you know, and and there's nothing
I can do about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, but but now he's become more more into because
now people are starting to they I tell him about
all these different podcasts that have been on, and I
talk about a little bit more, but not in groups.
I don't like cocking in groups, and I get embarrassed
and I know there's too many people around, and you know,
so I don't want that kind of attention. I don't
want to be known as a celebrity either. I don't
want that type of atmosphere. I just want to just
I just want to, you know, be just a normal person.
Speaker 2: You know, well, you are a normal person. You're just
part of a very uh select few that have witnessed
bigfoot and uh, you're you're becoming the bigfoot guy of
your community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I seem started to back my mind, you know,
I'm mis thinking. Okay, I hope that people aren't looking
at you. It's like I'm a you know, you know,
a crazy person, I guess, but but yeah, but people
know this, you know that they don't know as personally
as far as our own what we do in our
lives or anything. But they do know. It's because we
go into the restaurants and stuff to get the gor
dash food and oasta. But you know, so don't They
don't really notice our personal level as far as are
where we live and all that stuff. But but they
knew our personalities and they know that who we are
as me and my brother together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the through respect this one that was you know,
and your brother went with you, I assume for the
television show deal, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that was that was the God God
sends for me too, because you know, because it's one
thing if you got one person that has experienced the
uh uh, you know, an encounter or whatever, because that's
and all that comes out to me is your own story.
I mean, you don't have anything to back. You don't
have any kind of collaborations of any kind. You know,
you don't have validation, you don't have anybody to help
the firm what you got. So so they particularly like that.
The producers really really predictably, they loved our story because
of the fact that we were of course twins. For
one thing, because when they're asking me questions about about
my about the very first thing through rule. But we're
both actually and we both had our own interviews separately,
so that's gonna be all tied into the to the
episode because they're going to be doing a lot of editing.
But so mine came up first, and all they wanted
we would do for the first half an hour or
even an hour, is to ask me what I felt
about my brother, you know, tell me about Ray. Tell
me about Ray. And I would start talking about Ray,
and then I'll start kind of drifting off a little
bit more and drift on me and started sort of
talking about something else that made it to the big book, right,
and then they're they're really moved back in and then
they say, oh, yeah, so tell me about Ray. They
did this about two or there different times, and you know,
and and then I said, but Outdoor grew last to
me that you know, they're very friendly, but they definitely
calmed me down. The way they were talking to me.
We're just talking like just normal people, you know. Just
I felt I felt very comfortable with me, and the
lady that was the the one doing the talking for
me with me asked me the questions and stuff. This
is funny. I just got to kind of laughing and said, okay,
so we're talking about my brother, you know. But I
didn't realize that they were just trying to gather as
much information different things so they can start blending stuff together.
And then of course it started, and then I started
doing the it's nicely. They just asked me questions about
different parts of my story and stuff, and I pretty
much told the whole story of the summer. It was
like stop every once in a while, like let's say
the airplane by, we'd have to stop so we're on
a break and or continue my story. But then they
then they'd go down and then we want to talk
about my childhood. We kind of booked around a lot
to the story, but eventually I did tell the whole story.
It's just that they're gonna be blending everything together. We're
all flows in the one and that includes my cot
so that includes my brother, you know. So and there's
definitely a lot of that. They definitely brought more of
a personality out of both me and my brother, because
there's usually things that I usually say is more of
a joking manner that I'd usually saved trends and stuff,
you know, And I was not loose where I can.
Actually I had a lot of pretty good comic type
of the atmosphere going on the times, if my stories
and stuff, you know, my analogy of what was going on.
And then when they got my brother, even be though
they got my brother, so my brother was coming up
next after after my I I even warned him, I said, okay,
this is it. My brother only has my My brother
only has like media maybe a five minute discussion at
the most, because first of all, he doesn't like to
talk anyways. And my brother, as far as he was concerned,
all he wanted to do is just just basically just say, hey,
I seen three bigfoots coming from my right hand side
and the last time I seen him on my left
hand side. And that was it. That's what my brother
just wanted to say, kind of like in that in
that aspect of it all, you know, I said that
you're probably you know my my interview with these with
the production was a about two hours or so now
that and I had to wonder them and I told
because I you know, my crew was laid out the
line about my brother being a lot more reserved and
shy than I am, even though we're both shy. I
was was always saying I had like one or two
friends at the most at any given time, and we
both had that. We both shared the same friends, you know,
so we we didn't like big groups. So uh yes,
So then so I already wanted him. I say, you're
probably you're probably the best of you didn't probably get
out of and then maybe half an hour if you
pull it out of him. But then I was totally
surprised because once once in my interview ended, Uh, they
had to, they needed to take a break. Anyway, as
they came out, they told Ray, we're gonna get back
to you by another twenty minutes. So allowed me enough
time to talk to my brother and just say, hey,
that's because my brother's already nervous. He didn't he really
didn't even want to be there. Okay, so here's the
He's like I said, he wanted to get in and
out of there as quickly as possible, and he was
already mad because it took so long. And now that
I'm done, here's really now that I'm relieved that the
whole thing was over for myself. Now he knew that
he had to come up and start talking that he didn't,
and he was very reserved. But I told him I
had to relax him and tell him, hey, it's not
what you think. These people. These people are actually very
it's just like you're talking to and they're just gonna
be I told him that they're just gonna be bouncing around,
They're gonna just be asking me questions, so you didn't
have to worry about just just going and start talking
like I do. Like like a story. I just told you,
I went through the whole my whole story, and the
whole process of the story without being interrupted, of course.
But but with that production team, they just boust around
and they just asked me questions and stuff. Yeah, and
that's and I called my brother down and by the
time he got out, his took almost as long as
his interview took as long as my interview did. And
I don't know exactly what how much information they get
out of because his part of the story was only
a matter of just just to you know, like I said,
only a couple of minutes, you know. So I was
very surprised that they got, is it, whatever information they got,
they really did. They wanted to find out a whole
bunch of our family without bringing as well, which I
came round to that also, so my brother had to
tie into you know, whatever he can remember of our
childhood and anything after the fact and won't get through
a living and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So I kind of have an advantage as a podcast
host whenever I talk to guests and stuff and correspond
with them a little bit, and you know, sometimes you know,
it goes even further after the podcast, you know, I
become friends with them and talk to them on a
regular basis, and you get to know the people, and
the people that have these experiences, have stories, they have backgrounds,
they're normal people, you know, and a lot of times
people just hear the Bigfoot story and that's it, and
then they make their judgments going off the story without
actually knowing the person. So hopefully this TV show will
paint a picture of who you and your brother are
as people you know, and where you came from and everything.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I believe so. Like I said, even with
all this sorts of the thing I've done, and I've
only done any of the major resource, uh the research
I've done, It's just been the last seven months and
I didn't even know where that the Patterson Gimman film
site was even at I know where the area is
at because I've been up there lots of times. I've
been through uh Willow Creek, I've been on a motorcycle
ride and stuff, and but I didn't realize that that's
where the that Giveman firm set was located. And and
being that close, and then I also guarantee you that
even with all this other stuff going on, I can
almost guarantee you that there's probably I mean, who knows
one hundred thousands more people that that that that have
stories but just choose not to tell the story because
of they might be people like Moon that don't want
to be ridly cuted, you know, yeah, you know, and
most and most of those people are the people that
live in the outskirts of town. Basically, they're not they're
not gonna didn't people are not gonna see a big
foot walking down the main drag or anything. So they're
not living near and close to the mountain ranges or whatever,
you know, somewhere where the big Brits can hide, you know,
based on farm land and stuff. You know, you hear
a lot about that too. But most of those people
are pretty logical people. I mean, they're just they seen
something for sure, you know. And and those people do
that a little of them and are planted in certain
areas that see these bigfoot they see they seen the
same group of bigfoots all the time. This is you know.
I always thought that when you see a bigfoot that
that was probably given me the last time you see it.
It's just a one time deal, you know, which is
what happened to me. I didn't realize that those people
that are living along the edges of the of the
of the wilderness, that that that frequently frequently see these
same creatures, you know, like the same family of creatures,
you know, sewing up on their properties and stuff, and
they have multiple sidings and encounters.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean interactions or what I call interactions
where you've got certain situations where somebody lives somewhere just
in the right spot, and bigfoot comes on their property
or crosses through their property every now and then, and
they realize that the bigfoot aren't a threat, just like
you did. And the bigfoot more importantly realizes that person
isn't a threat. Uh yeah. There's sightings and encounters that
go on for years and years, sometimes multiple generations in
one family.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just it's crazy. Even and even like
I said, I even found out of course that that
that that that that community or the county that I
live in has has the most amount of UH reports
of bigfoot out of the whole state of California, well
basically whole Mountain Range basically has the most amount of
the reporting of bigfoots. And some are pretty recent big plusses.
One's running in the Marble Mountains, which is actually the
closer than the Passer. I don't know if you've seen
that one with a boy Scout. The boy Scouts seen
the Bigfoot. They're just not very long ago.
Speaker 2: It's all yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Have you
seen there's a video out there that's pretty popular, or
at least it used to be years ago of uh.
I believe it's in Russia. They're they're speaking a language
that sounds Russian or Eastern European of some kind, and
they just show a bigfoot or what's supposed to be
a bigfoot, but it's jumping like you were talking about.
It's like leaping from right to left through the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that particularly, I can't I can't recall if I've
seen that one. Or not, because I've been watching so
many of many ways. Yeah, but I've definitely seen ones
like you're explaining. I've definitely seen something.
Speaker 2: I'll send you a copy of it because I want to.
I want to hear your opinion on it. Okay, yeah, yeah, definitely,
because you are the first person that I've ever talked
to that described them leaping.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I realized that either, you know, it's just
it was just weird. Yeah, of course I attributed that
to the fact that they're just leaping over the taller
grass and stuff anyway, so it's stuck out be a
normal thing that maybe other people might have seen too.
I just I didn't really think about what other people,
you know, other stories about how they.
Speaker 2: Well everybody has different encounters, you know, so that that's fine.
I mean, it's just interesting. I definitely want to get
your opinion on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course, and some people get have that
that real bad smell of a big putting everything, which
I didn't encounter, you know, and the different things like
there's no eye shine, no, no no croaking. It was
just to me, I look at it. It's definitely a
a flesh of blood creature is what I looked at
it as you know, as normal as you and I
is what I experienced. I mean, I'm not saying that,
and I'm not down play anybody else's experience, even when
it comes to UFOs and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if I could give you a bit of advice,
as somebody that's been around for a really long time
in the Bigfoot community or whatever you want to call it,
don't get caught up in all that stuff. You know,
you know what your encounter was, and that's the information
that you have to add to the puzzle. And people
can take it as they want, you know, if they
want to argue that that's not how it really happened
and you're wrong about this, and you know, like it's
easy to get caught up in all that. And I
sincerely hope that doesn't happen with you, or.
Speaker 1: It doesn't at all, because even on my Facebook, I
would I talk to people on a dipper groups or anything,
and and you're always getting people that are just trying
to debate me, you know, I always I just pretty
much shut them down right away. I just say first
I just say, first of all, I'm not really I'm
already well past the debating stage of my situation because
I'm already a nowherre anyways. And first of all, and
I'm not looking for somebody else to validate what I
know exists myself. I've already got all that stuff. And
I'm not even I'm not even trying to condense anybody.
I'm just trying to I just tell my story as
it goes. And I also tell them that really the
uh uh, the debunking really falls upon those you know
that are trying to find the truth themselves or even
you know, you know. That's basically where I look at it.
It's their responsibility to try to find the truth. It's
not my responsibility. I like I said at the same time,
with you tell me that when you tell a me,
you know, and it's just just just give them my story.
And that's all I can do, you know, That's all
I either way. But this is the first time my
story has been is actually public. It's it's public now,
it's public knowledge, it's recorded because I did the bf
R O just last week. I submitted my whole claim.
I did the whole word processing thing and and ould
story and everything, and that's that's still under review. And
all this stuff that's gonna take probably months before it
gets posted on the bfr BFRO website. And then you know,
they and and and it goes from county and it
will go all the way down to all the counties
in California. For where is what state? I pushed on anyways?
But so yeah, so what my story is just another
record as far as we're ore, you know, and and
it gives it's just another place where they could put
a little period on on a map showing that there's
a siding you know, whost all the hundreds of thousands
of other uh sighting side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the grand scheme of things, yes, but for
you it's something much more. It's much more than a pinpoint.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for me for sure, I, like I said, Yeah,
besides that, like I said, he'd just given my report
and every thing. But at least that's adding to it.
But I also I've got grandkids too, you know. And
I when I did, you know, even before I even
started talking to you right now, you know, I didn't
mention that I actually the first thing I did was
write a book. I wrote a book of my story
and I published it every since then, I actually dropped
it after a couple of months because I wasn't making
any money off of the news. But I did. I
wrote a book and it published, and I got copies
where I just I said, I gave a I autographed
it for my grandkids, you know, and I had a
couple from my my sons and stuff. So if everything
else I ever told my sons, even if they don't
believe me or not, I want my grandkids and I
want them to know at least know who I am,
at least what basically that I did, you know, certain
things I did when I was growing up. Whether they
think it's true or not, it doesn't matter. But either ways,
if they do come up with the truth anytime during
their lifetime, if they do discover Bigfoot, at least they
know that that that you know, they said their grandfather,
which be me, They're gonna they're gonna say, hey, yeah,
my my grandfather was was was one of the Bigfoot knowers.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, you know, But any ways, it's a good story.
Even if you don't even if you don't believe that story,
it's it's still a good story. It's hard to even
believed that all those circumstances that was evolved in this
situation that I can't believe it either. You have three
big poots and you have three different three people on
each side of the teams all the way from that
point and then and then the point where my sister
and her boyfriend decided to go crawling out in the
grass and then left move there, visualizing just two other
figures sitting there. I just can't believe how that even happened.
I didn't even see them come up, and they got
themselves in that position, the bridge place, those two of
the big person are sitting there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Whenever I was a researcher and used to go out
in the field looking for these things, we used to
talk about how nothing is perfect, and sometimes these things
make mistakes, sometimes they slip up. And I believe that
that night they slipped up there. There was no anticipation
of six kids hiding out in the dark. There was
you know, they didn't know that y'all were out there
playing guns or whatever and hiding along that fence line,
and they just slipped up.
Speaker 1: Well, And the thinking was that they're probably on that
same path, they probably been through that same path where
they're headed, what they were walking through that through many
if they did many other times or whatever, The fact is,
we trapped them. Yeah, matter of fact, now you just
mentioned that, this is the first time I ever thought
about that. I didn't think that we actually trapped them
in between. We were we're basically out each trapped them.
We were on each side of their their pathways.
Speaker 2: I mean, which other direction could they go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they couldn't. Yeah, I think, of course, I didn't
think about the aspect of us actually trapping them where
they were at, because because my team went around the
other side of the school anyways on the street and
went and kme got way, so that if there's those
big foods were probably right there hiding right there on
the side of the of the of the school.
Speaker 2: Anyways where there aren't any lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's no lights right there. So when we
ran past them, probably in front of that screw and
went around the other side, getting over to the fart
of the side of the through, we were actually in
trapping them, being being my other team being on the
other side over at the apartments right in between, and
they had to walk in between us.
Speaker 2: If they knew you were there, before they saw you,
or before you saw them. Rather, they probably thought, give
them some time, they'll leave out of the area or whatever.
It's nighttime. Kids aren't here at nighttime, and they thought
you had left the area because you guys hunkered down
and hid and got quiet, you know.
Speaker 1: And even at the point when they when they when
they were looking at me, when I was right there
at the fence line, right there, they probably they even
probably knew that I wasn't like a food grown man either,
you know. Oh for sure, probably had since that we
were just we're not like like kid's kids, you know,
these young kids, but they probably had a feeling that
we weren't not that we definitely weren't no a threat
because we're pretty They were pretty quiet anyways, for one pain,
But I guarantee you that those two that were sitting
there definitely knew where I was at, especially with me
whispering back at him trying to tell them to be quiet,
you know.
Speaker 2: But then you also have the the variable of your
sister and her boyfriend hiding off in the grass, giggling
and cutting up with one another, and they may not
have seen them, They may not have had their location.
They might have been younger than the other ones. The
other ones might have the one that ran up on
you might have been the one in charge though, I
mean they could have been too juveniles with an adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where that's what kind of like where look
at two? Is that that that was? I know that
was definitely the more the aggressor of the of the three,
even though it was so many aggression, It's just is
the one that was more in charge? It looked like
to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to unpack with your encounter, a lot.
Speaker 1: Blinya, even even to this day, although all through the
years I've written my own journalist anyway, So that's why
I remember everybody's names and stuff. I remember the two
brothers names. I remember my sister's boyfriend's name. But now
my brother he can't remember any of their names. Because
this this this situation didn't dramatize. It seemed like it
did me, And so I kept a lot of this
information that I moved because I was always thinking about
it throughout the years. And I've written journals myself without
showing you. I didn't sew anybody, even my brother. I
just swooth I might need showing this and That's why
that's what I used to actually helped write my book
as well as I just went through my journals and
stuff and then and and remembering, and then we were
reading that stuff, You're just remembering every detail you know
that's going on. And so that's where I'm at with
that too. You know, it's it's just a crazy deal.
Speaker 2: And if you have had your own encounter with Bigfoot
and you'd like to share your story on the podcast,
email me at Bigfoot Crossroad at gmail dot com. Check
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