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Welcome in West Virginia, inshide or we 43 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:58,120 got Michael j Asty on the line, Managing editor of 44 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,000 West Virginia Sports. 45 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,319 Speaker 2: Now, what's up, Mike, what's going on? 46 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: Guys? You're happy to be back with you. 47 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, a pleasure of blessing to be able to 48 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:07,879 talk ball with you. Let's talk a little bit about 49 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:10,439 the Big Twelve to start us off and kind of 50 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:13,039 the overall view of how West Virginia is spared this 51 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:14,479 year in the Big Twelve. 52 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,319 Speaker 3: Sure, and I do feel that the Big Twelve this 53 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:23,680 year is back to where the conference has been for 54 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:26,960 the most part throughout the last decade. On the college 55 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,560 basketball side of things. Last year, you could argue that 56 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,960 maybe it dipped a little bit, and certainly that's kind 57 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,400 of what it was reflected in the seating of the 58 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:38,159 NCAA Tournament. But this year the Big Twelve was back. 59 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,439 This year, the Big Twelve has top teams and elite 60 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:44,319 teams that could make a run in March. Granted, everybody's 61 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,319 shown that they're vulnerable as well, and we have seen 62 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,599 some deal with serious injuries as of late that certainly 63 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,719 could affect how far they could go in the postseason, 64 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:56,719 even though they're likely going to be there. Where West 65 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Virginia has spared in comparison to the US Iowa States 66 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,039 Arizona's and Arizona and Neuston looked like they could win 67 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:07,159 the national title and Euston could get back there. And 68 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,360 Iowa State's been good in Texas Tech prior to their 69 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,360 injury to top and they're far from those programs. We've 70 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,319 seen that even when they were winning, and even when 71 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:19,360 West Virginia was at its best this year, they would 72 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,840 run into those schools and those schools would beat them 73 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:25,960 by twenty plus points. However, as you guys know, West 74 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:31,039 Virginia's dealt with a three year period that's been very 75 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:35,199 dramatic and not really normally what the program has been 76 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,919 for the better part of the past or really forty years. 77 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:42,000 So to go off of losing a head coach in 78 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,800 drama controversy last year after a ten win torn around 79 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,719 on a degrees, they went from nine wins under Josh 80 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:53,120 Eiler two years ago to nineteen under Debrees, they got snubbed. 81 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,719 I still feel they should have got in last year 82 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:58,240 they had six quat one wins and North Frona had 83 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,280 one and North Rona got instead of them, so they 84 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:05,159 got snubbed. The coach left. The fans to this day 85 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:07,840 believe that Tucker Divres and Darren DeVries are running a 86 00:04:07,879 --> 00:04:11,080 conspiracy all season one, so they got over that. They 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,560 bring in a new coach, a whole on transfer roster, 88 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,120 and they turn it around to be on the bubble 89 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,439 most of the year. They beat Kansas Kansas less than normal, 90 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,399 but they're still a great team. They do have quality wins. 91 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:26,360 They have four quad one wins. They beat their rival 92 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:28,639 and pitt in non conference, even though Pitch knocked in 93 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,680 that good this year at all, but they missed the 94 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,519 opportunities not only a non conference but even in conference 95 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,399 play and recently, which is what be why he was 96 00:04:37,439 --> 00:04:41,079 going to care about. They've been rough and kind of 97 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,160 at their worst. Once they peaked and it felt like 98 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:46,800 they were going to probably get in the tournament. Maybe 99 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,920 a week ago it was leaning that they probably were 100 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:51,199 going to get in, which would have been incredible after 101 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,279 the last several years. Their last appearance is Salan twenty 102 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:58,000 three and Huggins last year. They've lost three straights and 103 00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:00,399 yeah they're on the road, TCU on the road, Oklahoma 104 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:03,959 State on the road. Recently. They're solid teams, but West 105 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,639 Virginia's played so poorly and lost these games that it 106 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,759 almost feels like those teams are now going to get 107 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:11,720 in the tournament at least PCU and West Virginia is not. 108 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,519 And their comeback over Cincinnati, their comeback over UCF now 109 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:20,000 seem for not And it's just a very inconsistent team, 110 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:23,480 especially on the offensive side the ball, And right now 111 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:26,120 it feels like their season probably is done as far 112 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,279 as the NCAA tournament, But who knows if they can 113 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:31,519 go on a run and went out and then run 114 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,199 through the Big Twelve. Is still a tournament in the 115 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,680 Big Twelve that anybody can beat anybody, even though there's 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,720 definite disparity between the top teams and kind of where 117 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:41,240 West Virginia is. 118 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,319 Speaker 1: Is there any silver lining maybe in these last five games? 119 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,279 I know they've lost four to the last five, But 120 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,160 have they been competitive? Have they showed promise? Have they 121 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,800 just not been able to execute down the stretch? Anything 122 00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:56,560 that could maybe get them moving in the right direction 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,160 from a silver lining standpoint, Well. 124 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,639 Speaker 3: I think for a silver lining standpoint in general, this 125 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,319 year and as I've said, even after all of these games, 126 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:08,959 I sound like a broken record. Probably it's hard to 127 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,000 call this year, as I mentioned, quote unquote bad because 128 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,120 you're dealing with what happened in the last three years. 129 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:18,040 It's not ross Hodge's fault, but Darren Dere's left after 130 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,240 a one year turnaround and they got snubbed. It's not 131 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:22,560 his fault that Josh Aileen was in over his head 132 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:25,839 and they had literally the worst season in program history arguably. 133 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,800 And it's not his fault that a Hall of Fame, 134 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:31,120 legendary coach ended his career in scandal and kind of 135 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,199 ruined the trajectory of the transfer class and where they 136 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,240 were that year. That's not ross Hodge's fault. He has 137 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:40,120 him on the bubble. That's he had a real truncated 138 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:44,160 recruiting class. It's a full on transfer roster. These players 139 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:46,639 have underachieved in a way, even though they've won some games, 140 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,079 and I do think he's a solid coach. But with 141 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,600 all of that said, they've been competitive and they've come 142 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,680 back in games, especially recently, but they get down so 143 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:01,240 much early in these games, especially recently. The issue that 144 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:03,560 I think some bring up in terms of the prospects 145 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,879 of Ross Hogy in the future, and it's not like 146 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,040 he's going getting fired, but just their thoughts of him, 147 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:12,600 it almost feels like they're getting worse that the season 148 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,040 goes on. At least recently. They were getting better for 149 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:18,160 a while, as I said, but recently these last four 150 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,959 or five six games, even the ones they won way 151 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:25,519 back in that slump, they just start out sluggish. Defensively. 152 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,120 They've been a top ten defensive ranked team most of 153 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,560 the year in the country until recently, and then the 154 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,959 game against Oklahoma State maybe the worst defensive effort of 155 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,759 the season. They got down big and then they gave 156 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:40,279 up eighty plus points. That is, whether it's Huggins, de 157 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:43,480 Frees or Hodger who be lying way back westaging, the 158 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:47,000 team do not give up that many points, and that happened, 159 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,480 and it just looks like, I don't know. I mean, 160 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,000 they got on the bubble Lenardi was saying they were 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,240 going to get in, and then after that the team 162 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:57,040 kind of has played lackaday'sical like they think they're done. 163 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,000 So you got to put that on coaching a little bit. 164 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,600 But even though again I do like Ross Hodge, but 165 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,439 they're competitive. They're never out of a game. Wouldn't be 166 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:08,360 shocked if, say, they would upset BYU, because BYU, as 167 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,399 you mentioned, the lead in has been hot and cold 168 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:14,120 at times too. But if that happens, fans are going 169 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 to say, that's great, but where was this effort against 170 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 the teams that are behind you. That's why they're probably 171 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,360 not going to get in. They have four quad one wins, 172 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:25,519 but the losses SECI recently aren't great. 173 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, two and. 174 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,199 Speaker 1: Four quad two games that may be the most devastating 175 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:33,360 your foreign seven and quad one opportunities. It's not bad 176 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:36,960 and competitive in some of these losses. It's not like 177 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,559 you're getting You're not getting blown out in these games. 178 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:42,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, the only games are getting 179 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,200 blown out in on the resume are against what I 180 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,200 mentioned earlier. They years to be the guy with Stacey Arizonas, 181 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:51,679 but against these teams they were fighting with ought to 182 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:55,360 be on the bubble. They're close and honestly, guys, that's 183 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:57,519 why again, I don't think the year can be said 184 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,639 to be bad because it's year one with the transfer 185 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,440 ross after drama. But if they would miss the tournament, 186 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:07,120 regardless of circumstances, it's a would if, meaning they should 187 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,799 probably have a resume that got them in. I me 188 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:11,840 even if they you know, four quad one wins four 189 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:13,759 and seven, even if that's what it is, and you 190 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:17,840 moved the quad two record to you know, four and 191 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,960 four or five victories instead of two, you're in the dance. 192 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,679 They were. They were on the right side of the 193 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,879 bubble a week ago for most recketologists, and they right 194 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:31,360 now according to Leonardi this morning, and obviously he was 195 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:33,639 wrong last year, so it's not like he's the gospel, 196 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,840 but just going off him this morning, he bumped West 197 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:40,399 Virginia out of the bubble to the group that's basically 198 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,039 below the bubble, not even next four out but below that, 199 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,919 and put Cincinnati in West Virginia beat Sincantti twice. They're 200 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,960 messing up their own season as of late. I feel 201 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,519 like if they would have won two out of these 202 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,279 last three instead of lose these three in a row, 203 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,480 or maybe even one out of these three because they 204 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,720 were on the road but played really well these games, 205 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,559 maybe they would still crawl in there for some but 206 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,600 not if they just keep on stacking losses in these 207 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:10,600 games that are very similar with programs right now, that's 208 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,240 kind of the bigger issue. No one's holding against them 209 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,799 losing to the top teams, but the Kansas win is 210 00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:21,080 not enough to compound everything else that's been going on recently. 211 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,639 Speaker 1: If they have a three game winning streak right to 212 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:27,559 end the season, does that put them back in the 213 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:29,759 NCAA tournament you think, I mean that would be two 214 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:32,639 big wins BYU and UCF. 215 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say maybe. I guess is why I'll 216 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:39,519 answer that, because obviously BYU would be in there, that 217 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,360 would be the bigger win. To me. They've already beat 218 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,679 UCF on the road, so the road win, according to 219 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,000 the metrics, is a bigger deal than beating a similar 220 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:51,840 team at home. Honestly, the game against UCF is a 221 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,679 literal must win unless your season's over and you're already 222 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,759 out of it by that point. But if you lose 223 00:10:56,799 --> 00:11:00,159 the UCF your toast, you could maybe get over for 224 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,240 the BYU lost because they've been ranked a lot of 225 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,240 the year. Granted you've already lost too many games in general, 226 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,279 but not UCF. So I would say they probably have 227 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,240 to win out to have a shot at getting in, 228 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:12,519 and probably still have to win a couple of games 229 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,120 in the big COLT tournament to know that they're secure 230 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:18,919 to get in, and they certainly if they're going to split, 231 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:21,919 they can't have the U. They can't have the UCF 232 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,080 game be the loss. They're better off losing the b YU, 233 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,879 if that makes any sense, just because they already have 234 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:28,240 the UCF win on the road. 235 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,519 Speaker 1: Well, b YU is only a I think only going 236 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:34,440 to be a slight favorite in this game because they 237 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:40,120 had such a devastating, just piss poor effort versus UCF 238 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,159 all or excuse me, yeah, versus this team last night. 239 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,000 And it's just kind of crazy to see b YU 240 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:49,000 kind of have this jekul and hide. Does that give 241 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,399 maybe some move to this coaching staff and this team 242 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,840 to get back on the right track. Hey, this is 243 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:57,879 a wounded this is a wounded animal. Right, let's take 244 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:00,519 advantage of it right now. ESPN Analytics only given BAU 245 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:02,840 sixty one point chance of victory right now. 246 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's crazy. I'm sure for you guys to 247 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,039 think I'm watching West Virginia Like last night when your 248 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,399 producer texted me about being on I almost said, well, 249 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,279 if you're watching this game or are you sure? I 250 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:16,039 don't know, just as a joke, like this is a 251 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,000 horrible effort that we're watching here. But you're probably thinking, well, 252 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,279 it's West Virginia team looks down and out. They're gonna 253 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,159 get stepped on and have the season over, and yet 254 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,159 people think they why just gonna lose to them, Like 255 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:29,360 what's going on? So yeah, I mean anything can happen again, 256 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:31,840 I wouldn't be shocked. We've seen West Virginia get over 257 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:34,879 a down period and then have a big win. But 258 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:38,279 everything you're saying about BYU, I also can say of 259 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,840 a West Virginia and they've also been really rough recently. 260 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:46,000 Their losses have have kind of possibly ended their year, 261 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,080 and all the likely they ended their year. So you 262 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,039 have to also wonder what their mentality is, and you 263 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,039 would seek or they'd play hard. I think Gross Hodge 264 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,080 is a good coach. But right when we thought they 265 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,039 were gonna get in and they've kind of done this, 266 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:00,559 So I guess both these are teams kind of have 267 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:03,000 to feel that they're bound to play better, They're bound 268 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:05,039 to have a big win, They're kind of due for 269 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,840 a big night. West Virginia, certainly, I'm sure feels that way. Again, 270 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,679 these these are definitely must win games for you now 271 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,159 for sure, But we will see what they do. I mean, 272 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,240 they have a problem at times rebounding wise, they have 273 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,919 a problem sometimes with long scoring droughts. These things happen, 274 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,200 and if they start slow in the game again, I 275 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,840 think B was to use the type of team that's 276 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:30,639 not going to give up a twenty point to what 277 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:32,919 twenty point lead, Like West Virginia has been able to 278 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:35,559 come back, but they are never out of a game. 279 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:37,679 So I will tell it will BYU fans out there 280 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:40,799 if B. If you see the score early where BYU 281 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:43,919 is up sixteen to four, and you're thinking to yourself, Okay, 282 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,879 you know good, God gonna get a victory. Let me 283 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:49,600 go to dinner, No big deal, we're good, and then 284 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:51,039 you turn it on an hour and a half later 285 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,519 and you're thinking, well, man, BYU is up two or 286 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:56,480 they're down one, like what's going on. That's every West 287 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:00,039 Virginia game the past two weeks, so that's certainly he 288 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,480 could be what happens. And recently West Virginia still ended 289 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,759 up losing at the end because the final possessions have 290 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,559 been so bad. But they never say die in these games. 291 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,799 It does feel like that, especially offensively, they just don't 292 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,440 have enough. They're not consistent enough offensively. So if EYU 293 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,279 can score what they have been when they're really good, 294 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:23,960 they should be able to get to w granted again, 295 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,639 West Virginia certainly could pull it off and maybe the 296 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:27,480 crowd or help them out. 297 00:14:27,919 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: What West Virginia does it perk Kin Pomp's the top 298 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,879 twenty five team defensively, I mean it's they can't be 299 00:14:32,919 --> 00:14:37,600 an elite team defensively. So let's give us a little 300 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,679 scattering report on the personnel. What makes them so good 301 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:43,440 defensively and when they have been efficient offensively? 302 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:45,279 Speaker 2: Who stands out to you personnel wise? 303 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so do the ladder first offensively when they've been 304 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:53,080 at their best. Honor Huff is kind of a little 305 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,679 Allen Iverson out there where he just can take control everything. 306 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,080 He's a smaller guard, but he's not afraid of anything. 307 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:02,480 He's really to watch. He's really easy to root for, 308 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:05,720 and he's had some really really hot nights and has 309 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,200 become even more of a leader this season. Progressed and 310 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,320 in addition to him, which is when the offense is 311 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,440 really clicking, that they have more than just him because 312 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,600 he's undersized and the teams can double double cover him. 313 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:19,159 Trasan Eagle staff who he was supposed to actually be 314 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,919 the guy. I mean, he had top games last year. 315 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,120 He had a fifty point game last year he scored 316 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:28,159 forty as Alabama. Last year he comes to West Virginia 317 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,480 and he's been a roller coaster ride. Guys. He literally 318 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:33,480 had a game this year where he scored one point. 319 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,399 That's how much of a roller coaster ride it is. 320 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:37,840 A guy scores forty last year goes to one this 321 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,919 year like that was the beginning of the season. When 322 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,679 he's hot them and when he's hitting three pointers, if 323 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:47,039 Huff is doing the same, Jasper Floyd, Brendan Lowrie and 324 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,639 to other guys to watch for. They really control the 325 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,279 rock more kind of inside jump shooters. But when they're 326 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,759 hitting outside the specially Eagle Staff, they are deadly and 327 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:58,600 that is how they come back in games. I would 328 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:02,039 argue that when they get down, they tend to take 329 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:05,159 really bad shots and think their's Steph Curry out there. 330 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Eagle Staff does his lot, and then he misses one, two, three, four, 331 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:11,480 and then it's just over and then that's how they 332 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:14,039 end up losing. They don't do enough in that regard, 333 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:17,360 and then defensively they really buy into what Ross Hodge 334 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:20,320 is selling. This is not an incredibly big team. DJ 335 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,879 Thomas as there as a young player. Ob Oha Harlan 336 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,240 obi Oha. When they're clicking defensively, he's at his best. 337 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,039 He is controlling the boards, he's getting rebounds. He's a 338 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:33,960 physical specimen and he's a beast. There are times he 339 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,799 kind of takes the night off and on most feels 340 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:40,519 so when he is peaked, they're great defensively. They have 341 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:42,759 shown the ability with or without him at his best, 342 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,840 that they can be a top twenty defensive team in 343 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,600 the country for sure. Granted they're coming off of such 344 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,960 a bad effort, but they clamp down. And we even 345 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,159 saw at the end of the Oklahoma State game. This 346 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,480 will be interesting if you see this against BYU whether 347 00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:59,240 the earlier, certainly if they're down, lad he's never pressed Virginia. 348 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,679 The Huggins press Virginia teams three out of four years. 349 00:17:01,679 --> 00:17:05,000 In the sweet sixteen, Jevon Carter and that group, well, 350 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,640 they basically did it. I mean they put a stranglehold 351 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,559 press on Oklahoma State towards the end of that game 352 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,200 and regulation, then in overtime and they go for the 353 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,920 steal a lot like they play that they want the steals. 354 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:22,599 But there have been times recently where the effort defensively 355 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,559 has not been there. As much. You know, I guess 356 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,079 I'll leave you with this. Wow, all of that is 357 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,680 the potential of the team. Ross Hodge literally said, the 358 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,559 reason why they lost to Oklahoma State is because of 359 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:41,000 defensive intensity. So the worst effort is what they just 360 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:43,640 put forward. He did not even just they lost the 361 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,039 game and defensively they were rough for the first time 362 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,400 all year. And he usually is a player's friendly coach 363 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,119 that defends his team to no end. He basically called 364 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,799 the players out and called their effort out. So we'll 365 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:58,240 see how they respond. And Chance More is another player 366 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:01,640 to name. But if he knows notice a medical mistake game. 367 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,279 Look at the film. There was a moment late under 368 00:18:04,319 --> 00:18:07,359 the boards, Ross Hawk is yelling at him like what 369 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,480 are you doing? Get your head in the game. He 370 00:18:09,599 --> 00:18:11,599 just stood there when there was a riven opportunity and 371 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,799 didn't run, didn't do anything. He just looked around me. 372 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,720 I don't know what to do. And we're not in 373 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:18,640 November with the new staff. This is or at the 374 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,640 end of February. I mean, I don't care who you are. 375 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,960 You got today. You should know what you're doing. So 376 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,759 it can be great, it can be bad. You'd imagine, 377 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:28,960 which maybe that's a negative for BYU that they got 378 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,519 to if these players have anything to them and they 379 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:34,200 played big level games. I mean, Lauren's been on a 380 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,680 Final fourteen. Like, if a coach says their effort is 381 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,960 why they lost, you would imagine they got to answer that. 382 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:42,799 They I would imagine they're gonna be competitive in that 383 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:45,240 game whether they win or not. I would think they 384 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:45,960 got to answer that. 385 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 386 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting as you're talking about this the b 387 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:53,480 way you're coaching step Kevin Young in particular, has called 388 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:58,519 out the effort of his team multiple times now this season, 389 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,480 and I wonder if it is a products sometimes you're 390 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:03,759 I'm hearing it from you, I'm hearing it from others 391 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:09,200 in this mercenary like approach you're into, You're out transfer 392 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,640 portal and the era, the pay per play era is 393 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,799 it is it hard to keep teams players motivated? Uh, 394 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:21,160 game in and game out like because there's not there's 395 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,920 not a cohesive culture, you know, buy in to the school, 396 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,519 to the coach, to the roots that you're building there. 397 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: It's just like I'm getting paid to be here. 398 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'll play well, Like I just wanted 399 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,680 to improve my my draft stock I want to maybe 400 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:43,319 leverage this into the next stop it when you have 401 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:48,039 undulation of effort and it's hard to to to build, 402 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,920 you know, consistent culture day in and day out, repetition 403 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:54,240 and high intensity of every game. 404 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: You see these drop offs? Are you seeing that? 405 00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: Are you seeing that visibly maybe around the country and 406 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,039 they're West Virginia as well. 407 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: I think it's definitely fair to wonder. It's hard to 408 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,599 get in these kids in really psychoanalyze, but it's a 409 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,880 fair thing to wonder. And we've kind of even asked 410 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,319 ross Hodge's thoughts on this, and he also kind of 411 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,960 said that he even answered why a lot of coaches 412 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,559 are calling teams out, because that was even literally asked. 413 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:21,319 We asked him why a lot of coaches are calling 414 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:24,839 players out and why a lot of coaches are if 415 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,599 you recall having freak out viral sessions after these losses, 416 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,920 I mean literally, West Miller, after living to West Virginia, 417 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,279 has freaked out twice this season in which he went viral, 418 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,599 and ross Hodge basically said he does believe the pressure 419 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,920 of the era, the fact that even if you are 420 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,720 a team that thinks they can a national title, you 421 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:44,640 know that in two months, you have to rebuild the 422 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:48,680 entire roster like that. Pressure is insane on coaches. The 423 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,200 Big twelve is a war every single night, and he 424 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,880 does believe it's getting to people, and it's like mentally, 425 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,119 like that is that is becoming a mental issue. So 426 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,000 I'm not a therapist, but it certainly does look like 427 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:05,720 that could be a possibility here, and you would imagine 428 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,000 the players that want to play hard for themselves. But 429 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,440 even if I mean, you have to think of it 430 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,119 that way. It's crazy to say, but you know, when 431 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,240 you see a team that's about to get in and 432 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:18,480 they have a three game losing streak and they have 433 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,119 such a skid that is worse than all their metrics, 434 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,519 and it's fair than in this air to ask, well, 435 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,680 were you guys thinking that, Okay, now we're maybe going 436 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:29,240 to get in, but we're not going to probably go 437 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,559 to the final four? So you would rather just end 438 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:33,960 your season and get in the portal or go on 439 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,519 to the next level, or if you're a senior, leave 440 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:39,279 school and move on. I mean, would you prefer to 441 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:41,880 do that then have one game in the nca term 442 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,359 And even though the program wants to be there and 443 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,759 it sounds crazy to ask, but a team that wants 444 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,240 to do everything imaginable to get that one game, even 445 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,920 if that's all they get, it's hard to think this 446 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,920 is the effort to last four games. It's just I mean, 447 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,000 this isn't enough to beat anybody, let alone the victive. 448 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,079 So I think it's very fair to ask. And that 449 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,839 is definitely the situation is not changing though, like this 450 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,119 is it? So this is what they're going to have 451 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,799 to be dealing with. But yeah, the Mountaineers have seven seniors. 452 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,119 A lot of players are going to be leaving. I mean, 453 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,000 there's a lot of conversation now with West Virginia of 454 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:19,480 if they don't get in the NACA Tournament, should they 455 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:22,960 accept or decline the Colored Basketball Crown or even the 456 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,160 NIT And because the big twelve tie in is, you know, 457 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,680 it will likely be the Colored Basketball Crown. And there 458 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,799 are people that are on both sides that are saying, well, 459 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,119 this is an historic program. Final fours. There are thirty 460 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,119 one appearances. You know, Huggins, Jerry West, you can't go 461 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,319 ahead and be in this minor tournament. It's beneath you. 462 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,039 It's been beneath programs worse than you. Historically in recent years, 463 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:44,240 and yeah there's an nil payment, but it's not all 464 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:47,000 that much with the travel that would be involved there. 465 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,480 There are others that are bringing up well in the past, 466 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:51,960 West Virginia's got in these things and then you know, 467 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,240 twenty years ago they weren't an NT and three years 468 00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:55,880 later they're in the Final four. Why can't they do 469 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,400 it again? Because best is not the era. Nine of these 470 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,440 players are going to be round. They don't care probably 471 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,599 what the program does in three years. The coach maybe will, 472 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,440 maybe he won't. The system could be totally different. If 473 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,680 it's a new coach, that's a whole new culture than 474 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,200 in there. You just don't know. So I mean, an 475 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:15,200 nil payment for the program is what you get out 476 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,799 of winning the basketball crown. You don't get money if 477 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:20,400 your eagle staff and your eligibility is over. What would 478 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,720 his motivation to be even in there? Maybe this effort 479 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,759 would happen in there. There's no guarantee they win that, 480 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,960 so it is fair I think to ask what the 481 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,960 motivation or effort of care is of these players when 482 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,119 you get to the end of the year and they 483 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,720 know they're leaving like that is that is just a 484 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:37,079 hard thing to coach. 485 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:39,839 Speaker 1: I would imagine, Yeah, I don't know how you can 486 00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:42,599 coach up kids hard. He yeah, or you have to 487 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:44,880 be very strategic about who you're gonna coach up hard. 488 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,079 Speaker 2: So, uh, they're not. 489 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 3: Seeing anyone like Peterson in Kansas. No one's checking out 490 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,599 of games. That's not happening. 491 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: That's a good Yeah, that's that's actually a good sign. 492 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: Let's say if that's the baseline individual players like being capable. 493 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: Of checking themselves out of game. 494 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: I wish you know that I would have had that 495 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:10,079 type of power in my life anyway, anything, well, in 496 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,519 anything right, just being hey, I'm checking out today, Guys, 497 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:15,680 I ain't showing up, but send me to check, send 498 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,200 me the check. 499 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,559 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm just gonna half in my head. I'm 500 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,640 checked out. I'm done. 501 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: Can you imagine like just just D n P and 502 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:28,160 everybody like, like just D M P and your your wife. Hey, honey, 503 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,079 the kids are a little ROADI i'ma check myself out 504 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:30,160 of this. 505 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,079 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. We're gonna have a beer. We have 506 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,000 a root beer over here. 507 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:36,519 Speaker 3: Look at the film of chance More At the end 508 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,359 of the Ogloma State game, he might as well have 509 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,400 checked out. 510 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: All right, Mike, we gotta let you go. I hope 511 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,720 it's a good one. 512 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if the line's dropped yet, but three 513 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,319 thirty pm, February twenty eight it's at West Virginia, Morgantown, 514 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,960 West Virginia. H I can't wait to see what happens 515 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,240 in this game, and hopefully it's a competitive entertaining one. 516 00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:58,480 The best way to support to you what you do, 517 00:24:58,519 --> 00:24:59,680 how you do it for all of our listeners. 518 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,599 Speaker 3: Sure you can find me all over social at Mike 519 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:05,640 Osti eleven, West Virginia. Sports Now is the site there. 520 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,880 I also do some aster writing with Yard Barker and 521 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,039 have a podcast Mike Drop that's on Serious XM. So 522 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,319 go ahead and find that wherever you get your podcast. 523 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,680 But I appreciate the time, guys, and yeah, I hope 524 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,240 to be talking to you again sometime soon, maybe basketball, football, whatever. 525 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: Give me a call much love, Mike. We appreciate you 526 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,680 anythingks wropping on today. Brother, Yep, someone needs to do 527 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,720 some sort of like you know, TikTok Instagram, you know, 528 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:37,720 sequence of like guys, just DNPN like activities, you know, 529 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,920 like I'm not Ronnie would be like I ain't cooking 530 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,119 on the grill to night tapping out, I'm done. You 531 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,240 know I'm taking care of Jersey night Babe tapping out, 532 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,839 I'm done. Oh man, I need that. 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