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Speaker 1: It's not just that the next storm could destroy everything

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a Walma Horror and her family have built. It's not

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just that she supports three generations of her family on

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sixty cent a day. In Rwanda, poverty and climate change

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hit women and children the hardest. And it's not just

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Speaker 2: Remaining, A live man. I like that man letting butterfly,

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flapping his wing, big down in the forest.

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Speaker 3: Man gonna cause a tree fall, letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 4: Man nobody saying nobody else.

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Speaker 2: You know, need no man. You don't like you, and

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you get that.

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Speaker 4: That's the man.

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Speaker 5: Don't like it.

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Speaker 4: Dang on the pane right now, you don't. All right.

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Speaker 3: I've got a very special episode today, doubly unusual because

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I have two guests, and I've had a guest back

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on just a few days after their first appearance. But

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the war in Iran continues to rage, and they're really

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no two better men to discuss it than Darryl Cooper

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and fearis Darryl. Thanks so much for coming on man,

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of course, yeah, no problem. I like coming on and

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fear us again. Great to see him.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. It's great to be with you,

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and it's great to be with Daryl.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things that I've noticed relatively early

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into this war is that even as Fox News and

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the White House they're cheerleaders, have been saying this war

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is going great. This is another Venezuela style success. The

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revealed preference from what we were seeing within the political

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class told a different story. You see people scrambling to

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blame others, not to take credit, which, if nothing else,

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knowing nothing about international affairs, clues me in that this

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perhaps isn't going particularly well. Similarly, yesterday, the President has

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been throwing blame around, basically saying that I was counseled

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to do this by these guys. It's their fault, not me. Again,

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another indication that this is not going well. So, Daryl,

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I'll throw it to you. How have you seen the

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narrative of al of on this and even with limited information,

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what can we tell about Operation Epic Fury.

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Speaker 6: Well, to your point, one of the first things I noticed.

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I think maybe it was two days into the operation,

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maybe the Monday after it started, the demo or it

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wasn't the Democrats, it was the Gang of Eight, the

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heads of the committees in Congress. They got a secret briefing,

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a closed door briefing, and they came out, Republics and Democrats.

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They as you said, they did not come out looking

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to get out ahead of a quick and easy victory

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and making sure they were positioned, you know, so that

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to take credit for that. They came out, even the

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Republicans sort of distancing themselves a little bit, just because

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they clearly weren't sure like where this was headed. You know,

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there's just we can get into this as we go.

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I don't want to rattle on for ten minutes in

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my first answer, but you know, the people who have

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who have been involved with military operations on some level before,

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you know, it's it's well known that there are real

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limitations to what we can accomplish through an air campaign alone.

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Things are look, things are a little different now, uh,

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you know, with with drone technology and HD cameras and

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you know, AI and everything. I mean, things you need

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fewer people to do the same things. But you still

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run into a lot of the same bottlenecks. You know,

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you run, you take out your first target deck, and

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then you go to your secondary targets, which aren't as

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important and aren't quite as sure. And you get past

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that point the air and the air guys start asking,

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we need more targets, give us targets, and he starts saying, well,

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how about this, And then you call that a great success.

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You blew that thing up, but you're not really sure

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if anything was in there, Otherwise you would have blown

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it up on the first day, you know. And so

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it starts to the return on investment, and the gap

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between what you think you're doing and what you're actually

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accomplishing kind of grows as air wars tend to go on.

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which by the way, this is little Serbia. You know,

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it took seventy eight days of heavy bombing, you know,

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to beat them into submission. And that was only really,

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it only really happened because we own the Russian government

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back then. We were able to get Boris Yelton to

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pull the plug on them. You know, if Russia and

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China are covertly now or in the future, decide to

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Speaker 4: To help it run out.

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Speaker 6: And I think Russia would probably be more likely to

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do that than the than the Chinese, just because the

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Chinese would probably like this to be over. But like,

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you know, if that happens, then you know, there's a

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there's no talent how long this could go on, depending

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on on what the objectives really are and and and

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it all close with this. I think one of the

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one of the things that's become very clear is that

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from the very beginning, and and a huge cause of

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this becoming the problem that it has become is it

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we just we have very different objectives here than the Israelis,

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do you know the Israelis at this point, I don't

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see how they can allow this to end with Iran

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as a functional state, you know, with this just deem

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and control. I mean, I feel like at this point,

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if you were to put a constitutional US style democracy

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in Iran, they would elect a government that was overtly

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hostile to Israel, you know, And so I don't see

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how they can permit that. On the other hand, you know,

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because of how we've handled this, we've sort of put

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Iran in a position where you know, they're looking at

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this and saying, Okay, so we've taken a huge amount

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of damage. We're going to come out of this severely weakened.

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Speaker 4: For sure.

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Speaker 6: We've done a lot of damage also. But America and

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Israel and their ally, they have a huge industrial base.

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They can rebuild, they can retool and get back at

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it in you know, eight or nine months. Again, we cannot.

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best move is to push all their chips in right now, like,

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let's fight right now, all the way, fight it out,

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because it's just from a you know, from a logical standpoint,

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that's their best move. And so kind of backed ourselves

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and them into a corner, and you know, we can

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blow up target after target. The bottom line is Iran

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has many different ways to continue to disrupt oil and

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natural gas production and just commerce in general in the

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Gulf almost indefinitely if we're not going to put ground

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troops in. I mean almost indefinitely. Like theoretically maybe we

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could just eventually bomb everything, but I mean we're talking,

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you know, talking. There have been rumors lately that they've

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been laying sea mines. We were like, oh, we blew

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up ten of their little boats out of the hundreds

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or thousands that they have. It's like, dude, they have

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they have sea mines they can put in place with

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rockets with a sixty five mile nautical mile range, you know,

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and we don't know how many of those they have,

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but they have them. And so it's like there's a

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they have a lot of options here, and that seems

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to be something we really did not plan for at all.

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tier conventional military capability, fine, but they can still lock

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things down basically indefinitely until we can't take anymore, until

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we get enough pressure worldwide and in the region to

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Speaker 3: So I'm curious to get one your response and after

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that I have seen going around social media, although I

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do not know if this has been confirmed. Iranian terms

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for peace those list out. I believe it's ten or

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twelve demands, some of which are fairly unrealistic, but others

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are what you'd expect, you know, a draw down of

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US forces from the Mid East, but also effectively a

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commitment that the US can only wage war against Iran

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with congressional oversight. So one I'll give you a chance

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first to respond to the same question I asked Darryl,

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and two, I'm curious, what do you think that the

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Iranian regime is trying to get what would be an

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acceptable off ramp for them, given the fact that, as

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Daryl said, they have fairly limited options and are incentivized

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to escalate.

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Speaker 2: I think that just confirming the point that this isn't

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going well. You see the withdrawal of Thads from South Korea,

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which if you saw the build up before that, that

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means that they didn't expect to need these interceptors. And

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you saw Trump calling Putin a couple of days ago

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and the Russians describing the call as frank and businesslike,

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meaning confrontational and rude. And if Trump is calling Putin,

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that means that that's the only way to get any

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kind of mediation to end the conflict. Because the Iranians

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are saying that there was an attempt at an Omani

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and at a Turkish and European and cut that immediation

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and they said no to all of them. And the

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statements coming out of Iranian officials are saying, we don't

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want to fight, we don't want to end this confirming

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what Daryl said, which is that their best incentive is

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to make this as expected so as possible now, so

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that there wouldn't be another American attack, and any kind

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of regime that emerges in Iraan, assuming that it's not

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a complete puppet regime, which is highly unrealistic, is going

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to say we need to double down on the ballistic

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missiles because they're effective and they scare people, and we

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need to double down on nuclear because these guys can

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come and attack us at any time. So what you've

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convinced the Iranians of is that it was stupid not

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to follow the North Korean strategy and build a nuclear weapon.

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that previously the Iranians didn't want to just buy wholesale

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air defense systems from the Chinese and from the Russians

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and deploy these all over their country because they didn't

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want to be beholden to either of them. Now it's

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become obvious to them that they need to massively upgrade

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their air defense capability as quickly as possible, and the

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only people who can provide them with that are going

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to be either the Chinese or the Russians. Now there's

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some Chinese Russian competition over Iran, always has been, and

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so it looks like it's Russia. And if the whole

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purpose of the Great Game was to keep the Russians

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away from India and away from the Gulf, well, congratulations.

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India is now siding more with Russia, more openly and

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saying to the United States, you can't just sanction us

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because of where we buy oil from. And Iran looks

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like if it survives this, which is probable, what they're

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going to do is to draw even closer to the Russians.

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There are constraints on Iran because it's fighting like an

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insurgency when it is in fact the nation state. So

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it's fighting like hasbal or the Hothi, who could survive

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immense American Israeli Saudi bombardment for prolonged periods of time.

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But it is a nation state. It needs these assets

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and it needs them rebuilt. Who's going to rebuild them?

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The only people who can build things ridiculously quickly are

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the Chinese. So if the regime isn't toppled, congratulations, You've

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delivered a win to China and Russia. And what are

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they going to do. They're going to emphasize nuclear even

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more and ballistic missiles even more, this time with proper

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air defense. The only very conspiracist argument that I hear

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that could sort of support this war is, yeah, if

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you do enough damage to the global economy and the

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United States has energy security, then the US becomes stronger.

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But I not even convinced by that. China can just

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build more pipelines into Russia, develop more of Central Asia's energy,

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develop more coal and more nuclear and solve that problem

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for themselves. They don't. I mean, if you are the

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world's manufacturing superpower, a temporary energy shortage doesn't cripple you.

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So there's no argument for this. And they've destroyed diplomacy.

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How can the Uranians negotiate with the US when first

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you had the twenty twenty five round where there were

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talk scheduled for two days after the Israelis started bombing,

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which they can't do without American authorization. Like Rubia's point

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that the Israelis were going to do it anyway, this

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is a proxy. You finance them and you arm them.

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You could say no to them. This time, the Omanis

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are saying, and they were the main mediator that essentially

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there was an agreemental nuclear but for Israel the problem

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became the ballistic missiles. And for Israel the problem is

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always the next thing. They are never satisfied, they could,

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they never have enough. So this just seems you know,

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you've climbed up this mountain and good luck getting back down.

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Speaker 3: Well, and on that point one of the things, and

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I say this is someone who doesn't really know anything

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about missiles or international politics, but it seems to me

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to be a logical kind of decision tree. If, as

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has been reported, the reason that the US is engaging

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in this war is because we were worried that Israel

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would go ahead without us and resort to nuclear weapons. Well, seemingly,

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if we are in a situation where we do not

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have the ability to end it when we want, could

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grow past what we are comfortable with. And as far

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as I understand, there are very serious targets in Israel

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that have not been hit by the Iranians. There's potential

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for escalation. Well, at a certain point, don't we get

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to exactly the same place if we have a nation

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that has got an itchy trigger finger, has got themselves

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into a fight where they can't disengage when they want to.

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Seemingly our intervention sort of indeterminate.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: In either case, Israel would have got themselves into this

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situation where they're starting to look at their I will say,

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alleged nuclear weapons. Daryl, do you have thoughts on that point?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think Look, I had heard from

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somebody very close to the situation before Rubio or any

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of the red before the war started.

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Speaker 3: That the.

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Speaker 6: Question of the Israelis insisting that they were going to

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go first, regardless of what we did, and the possibility

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of them going nuclear was part of the thinking for

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sure in the administration, at least among some people. You know,

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it may have gotten obviously there's people in there who

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just Israeli spies basically. But for the people who aren't,

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you know, this did help push them in the direction

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of thinking that they really didn't have a choice and

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that the best thing to do was to help them

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finish this quickly, just given the options. But you know,

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I mean, it's almost impossible for me to believe. I mean,

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if any of the three of us, anybody I talked

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to about this, like if I if you tell them

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that on day one you kill the supreme leader. You

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kill his daughter, you kill us like nephew is granddaughter,

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that that country is all of a sudden going to

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fall apart, and like, you know, we it's almost as

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if we bought into our own propaganda over the years,

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the way that you know, Russia and Ukraine aren't in

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a conflict. No Putin invaded Ukraine. You know, Kadafi is

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killing his own people. Saddam has invaded Kuwait. We always

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do that, like to create a hate figure in the

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media for our war propaganda that people can focus on it.

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Sometimes it's pretty true, you know. Saddam like that was

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like a pretty tight little Sunni click in charge of

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a big Shiat country. Sort of sort of true Gaddafi.

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Maybe Iran is not like that. Iran is a functional state,

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you know, and they've responded the way we would respond

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if you took out the president, the Secretary of Defense,

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and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

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Speaker 4: You know, we have we have things in place for that,

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and the people.

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Speaker 6: In the country are not going to suddenly turn on

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their government when that happens, you know, regardless of what

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kind of problems they had before that. I mean, you know,

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I think if you know, if Biden was still president

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and somebody launched a sneak attack on us and took

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out him and his whole cabinet, Republicans would rally behind the.

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Speaker 4: War effort like we all probably would have, you know.

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Speaker 6: And so I mean, that just seems so common sense

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to me that it's almost impossible for me to believe

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that people in the know really thought that that's what

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was going to happen. And maybe it made What it

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may be is that the Israelis knew perfectly well that

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that wasn't what was going to happen, you know, but

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they knew they also knew that all they have to

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get us to do is dip our toe in and

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now we're in, Because I mean, it's similar to like,

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why can't we tell Israel no? It's like, yeah, theoretically

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we can, but they know that if they were to

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go first, the political pressure that would come down, which look,

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this is Trump's second term, he could say no to

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that too, but just realistically, the political pressure that would

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come down, we would get in, you know, and they

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just know that they know how they know how powerful

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they are in our political system. I was talking to

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somebody the other day about it. Like, you know, just

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just think about how effective we have seen Israel be

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at infiltrating the top echelons of like the IRGC, you know,

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all these countries whose entire goal of their intelligence agencies

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and their whole everything is make sure the massade doesn't

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infiltrate us. And they're like getting up into the upper

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What do you think they got in our country where

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it's basically illegal to point it out even when it's obvious.

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I mean, it's just you know, they know, they know

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the power that they've got here. And you know, for

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for us, like sitting from the outside, it's very easy

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to say, oh, we could just tell Israel no. But

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again they they're at the they're at the control panel,

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you know, in the United States, and they know it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: And on that point, uh, I have, I have several

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bad habits. And as I was joking before you went live, uh,

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keeping up to date with what American Zionists are saying

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is one of them. But when you have a figure

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like Lindsay Graham, you know, literally casting the debate as

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between you know, the pro Israel side and as he said,

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you know, isolationists and anti semis right Okay, sure one

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of those slurs is slightly softer than the other. But

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you know that's a man who literally said, you know,

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my job is to go back to South Carolina and

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tell them to go die in the Middle East. You're

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effectively committing treason live on television. Now, obviously, look, I

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understand the rules are very different there, you know, for

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that lobby and for you know, uh, Queen Lindsay.

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Speaker 3: But still right, the political pressure has been insane, particularly

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on on the right. You've seen the President, particularly going

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after you know, Tucker Carlson who is a voice very

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strongly against this war. And obviously there has been a

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fracture on the Israel issue in the American right, but

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the pressure has really never been higher. You've seen a

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band wave on social media, you know, going after you know,

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specific accounts, and clearly there is a lot of political

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and social capital behind this war in a way that

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even Operation Midnight Hammer did not see. So fears I'll

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give you a chance to respond to that, right, I'm

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curious what your thoughts are on the political dimension. And

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then also I realized that this is maybe slightly more

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in your wheelhouse. How is this being covered in your press?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: I know that there's been some jostling between you know,

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you PM and our president over this war, but I'm

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also curious to get that element as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm from Lebanon, I'm not British, but here

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it's really become very quickly a problem because the Reform Party,

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which is set to become the next ruling party, initially

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came out in support of the war. And how dare

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you not back Israel? And if you look at the

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details of what has happened to the Reform Party, its

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main foreign policy advisor is a gentleman called Alan Mendoza.

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He is a full on neo kon against the Afghanistan withdrawal,

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pro the Iraq War. He was supporting regime tage in

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Pakistan to make it into a democracy, completely Israel first guy.

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And he's now Reforms next potential Foreign Secretary and obviously

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he's backing the war. Robert Jenrick, he's supposed to become

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the next chancellor and he's tied into pornographer billionaires, who

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are you know, just discussing people at the end of

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the day. And he's been somewhat confused about this because

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of the size of the backlash to the extent that Reform,

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which is effectively the opposition party because the Conservatives are dead,

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has had to backtrack and try to take a Britain

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first position because of this sheer opposition among the public,

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especially the right to getting sucked into another war in

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them at least just because the Americans and the Israelis

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said so. On the Arab media, which I follow quite closely,

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they've essentially been accusing Israel of trying to rope them

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into the war. And if you look at the statements

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that are coming out of the Israelis, the accusations that

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the UAE engaged in air strikes, Lindsey Graham saying to

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the Saudis, you have to join the fight. That's been

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received very badly in the Middle Least. They're very critical

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obviously of Iran attacking them, and they're quite upset by it.

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But then you get sent Com releasing images of them

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firing prison missiles at Iran out of the Gulf, essentially

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proving to the Iranians and to anybody who had doubt

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that the Gulf is being used to support the war

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effort and thereby justifying Iranian attacks. So just on these

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information fronts, it's really going quite badly. It's really going

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quite badly for the United States and for its relationship

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with the Gulf. And what the Iranians are saying is

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that we will stop when you expel the American bases,

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out the US ambassador, and kick out the Israelis. And

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the reason the Iranians are hammering Dubai so much is

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because essentially the UAE and Israel are in a full

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on alliance and they're cooperating in places like Libya, Sudan, Ethiopia,

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et cetera. And the consequences of Israeli extremism and the

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madness of Mike Huckabee saying that, yeah, these Raelis can

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have all of them. At least essentially, this is brought

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together Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt on the same side,

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which is a huge Sunni alliance. And this is backstopped

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by Pakistani nuclear guarantees which have been extended to Saudi

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Arabia officially. But if I was Turkey right now, what

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am I going to do? I'm going to buy a

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nuclear weapon off of the Pakistanis. So nobody seems to

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have thought about the second order consequences of this war,

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and if they have, they've thought about it in terms

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of bringing about armageddon and believing that that's a good thing.

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And I fundamentally mistrust anybody who firmly believes that he

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is saved, Like, we can't guarantee that we're saved. We

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can fulfill our part of the convenant with God, but

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we can't guarantee that we're actually saved. But you have

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these Christian Zionists who genuinely believe that when Armageddon comes,

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they're going to be saved, even though they help bring

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it on. Okay, that's insane, and having people with these

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kinds of beliefs in charge. It's the same as Islamic state.

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Islamic State thought that if this battle took place in

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Davic in northern Syria, then the Saiah and Muhammad would

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return and it would be the proper end of the world. Well,

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that's the same exact mindset that's animating the Christian Zionists,

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and this kind of extremism shouldn't be tolerated religiously. It

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shouldn't be tolerated.

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Speaker 3: One thing, And then I want to go back to

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the point about Christian Zionism, because that's absolutely essential in

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this conversation. Is you've mentioned, of course, that the air

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press is understandably upset that you know that their actions

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have been exposed, presumably inviting more attacks. But I'm curious

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what has been the reaction towards the fact that these

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military bases, these air bases across the Arab world effectively

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seem to be a millstone around the neck of these nations,

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and supposedly right these air defenses seemed to these assets

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seemed to be moved out of those countries to protect

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Israel after Israel provoked an attack on those very nations.

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If I'm not an Arab, as you can probably tell fears,

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but I would be very upset in that situation. I

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assume that I'm not the only one noticing it.

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Speaker 2: No, And if you take this in a historic context,

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the Saudis were vehemently opposed to the American invasion of Iraq,

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and they said this was going to strengthen Iran. Then

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under Bush, they were convinced that they need to confront

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Iran more forcefully, and they backed the Israelis in the

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two thousand and six war in Lebanon, and that proved

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to be a disaster for them. Then under Obama, they

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participated in much tighter sanctions against Iran. To then find

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out that he was making a deal with the Uranians,

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so their relationship they had with Iran got poisoned. Then

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the Americans made a deal, they accepted that and tried

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to move on, but then Trump pulls out of the

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deal and recreates the same conflicts with Syria. They'd reached

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their reconciliation with ACAD and they'd figured out a way

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to sort of share Syria with the Iranians, which is

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what the Obama administration had been telling them. Kerry was

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on record speaking to Air foreign ministers and saying to them,

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you've got to learn how to share the region with Idon.

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Obama said the same thing and is an Atlantic interview.

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They did that in Syria. So what does the US

477
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do It backs Turkey into overthrowing acad just because these

478
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Radis decided to cut the supply line Trusbula. That was

479
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the only reason to get rid of Asseid that at

480
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that time. So if you were sitting in these Gulf capitals,

481
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every single time an American president comes along, he promises

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you one thing and then he humiliates you. And then

483
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you saw Trump going to the Middle East and basically

484
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collecting three and a half trillion dollars from them in

485
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what is more or less protection money, and he's trumpeted

486
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it as a huge success that is going to invigorate

487
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,880
investments in the United States. Well, now you've wrecked their

488
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,440
countries and they need their capital back, and you've proven

489
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that you can't protect them. And it's not the first

490
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time you do this. Because in twenty eleven, the Americans

491
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had abandoned Mubarak in Egypt, who was a stalwart ally

492
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of the Gulf and of the United States, and throughout

493
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,119
the Arab Spring was largely aided by the United States.

494
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It wouldn't have happened without the support of the United States.

495
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And now these guys are reaching the conclusion that the

496
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big players, the big suddeny players in the Middle East,

497
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need to cooperate with one another just to contain these

498
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:05,359
Raelis and the Americans. And so this is backfiring spectacularly.

499
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But if you're Kuwait, if you're Bahrain, if you're Katat,

500
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even if you're the UAE, you know that if this

501
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:18,039
region was left to the will of Iran and Saudi

502
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,400
they're going to carve it up between them, and countries

503
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200
like kata will no longer exist as independent states or

504
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:30,920
Kuwait or Bahrain or even perhaps the UAE. So these

505
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:36,000
smaller countries are absolutely stuck. That's why the UAE supports

506
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,880
Israel so much, because they believe it guarantees their independence.

507
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But if you're Saudi Arabia, you've figured out, actually, the

508
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,960
people we need to deal with are other suddenly powers

509
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:51,359
like Turkey and Egypt and Pakistan, and together we can

510
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constrain these Raemis and the Americans and stop them from

511
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creating messes on our borders. In places like Szu, the Libya, Yeah, Man,

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et cetera.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna just expand a little bit on that,

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you know.

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Speaker 6: Like I was surprised at how quickly the Israelis had

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forced Egypt and Turkey to repair a lot of their relations,

517
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,160
because I mean, like that's a that's.

518
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: A huge deal.

519
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:27,079
Speaker 6: I mean, they were they were displeased with one another

520
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,720
after the Arab Spring, right to put it lightly, I mean,

521
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,799
and you know, I can't read the Arab press, but

522
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:34,920
I've got a few people that I talked to in

523
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,279
uh in Saudi and in the UAE, ordinary people, and

524
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,000
I mean they they all tell me independently that the

525
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:48,519
people there are unanimously behind their government's decision to stay

526
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,440
out of this thing. They understand they're trying, that they're

527
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,720
being manipulated, that they're you know, people are trying to

528
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,279
suck them into this war, and they don't want it.

529
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As far as I mean, you know, you can you

530
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can the diplomatic damage it's being done for the United States,

531
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which I think maybe with this administration and maybe just

532
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,319
with you know, the security state in general, they seem

533
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,839
to think this doesn't matter. They seem to think we're

534
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,160
so militarily powerful that and so just that we've got

535
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,519
so much you know, coercive power at our disposal that

536
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,920
if we lose diplomatic points, it just doesn't seem to

537
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,559
you know, matter to them. But you know, you have

538
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,720
this going on in the Middle East where all the

539
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,039
Arab countries have got to be looking and understanding now

540
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,039
if they didn't before, if they had any delusions before,

541
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that these bases that are that we have in their

542
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,720
countries are not there to protect them. It's not that

543
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,920
even that we can't protect them, they're not there to

544
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,599
protect them. Those bases exist to kill Muslims and defend Israel.

545
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Speaker 2: Period.

546
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Speaker 4: That's what they're there for.

547
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: And which Muslims are getting killed by those bases whatever

548
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,079
might change from like year to year, but they're there

549
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,799
to make sure Israel can kill Muslims with impunity and

550
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640
we can help them, and that they can't retaliate against Israel.

551
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Speaker 4: That's what they're there for.

552
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Speaker 6: And I think if they didn't know that before, they

553
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,160
got to know it now. And when you know you

554
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,759
mentioned the FAD batteries being pulled out of South Korea,

555
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,360
I mean you got to understand this is not a

556
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,360
like even this is a This is a huge diplomatic run.

557
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,719
I mean when we put those things, when we convince

558
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,159
South Koreata, let us put those things in there. They

559
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,679
lost tens of billions of dollars in Chinese business. They

560
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,079
Chinese were shutting down like huge swaths of brick and

561
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,360
mortar stores, they had their canceled, a ton of com

562
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,840
It was a huge economic hit to South Koreada. Let

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00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,519
us put those things in and then the drop of

564
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:38,599
a hat, we just pull them right out. And another

565
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,639
thing that uh, you know that that has been maybe

566
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,960
picked up on a little bit. But you know, my

567
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,199
background's in air defense and ballistic missile defense, and I

568
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,320
noticed that watching a lot of the videos. In the

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first couple of days of the war, you know, you'd

570
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,960
see missiles coming in talking about Israel because they petered out.

571
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:04,280
The interception petered out relatively quickly. In the Gulf States,

572
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,079
it's a little bit harder to track. But in Israel,

573
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,519
you'd see these missiles coming in and you'd see two

574
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or three missiles going up to intercept it. And then

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as you know, you got about a week into it,

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00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,039
all the videos that started leaking out, you start to

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00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,000
see a couple of missiles coming in in like twenty

578
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,840
missiles going up to intercept it. And right away that

579
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told me, I mean, because these things are expensive. Defense

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00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,199
is a lot more expensive than offense when it comes

581
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,079
to this kind of stuff. And that told me right

582
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:33,360
there that our intercept rate is not going well. And

583
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,639
that's some for somebody who has been in BMD for

584
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,039
twenty years, that's not particularly surprising. It's it's not an

585
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:42,440
easy thing to shoot down a ballistic missile. And so

586
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,960
you know, I mentioned that to one of my guys

587
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,800
who's in the military I see side of things, and

588
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,679
you know, at first he was like, well, it's just

589
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:53,880
not true. We're still shooting down, you know, ninety five

590
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,360
percent of the missiles. I said, no, no, no, I

591
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,760
get that, but you're shooting three or four times as

592
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,360
many interceptors up to do it. And that's not good.

593
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I mean, that's the kind of thing that our enemies

594
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,599
are writing down in their notebooks, but also our allies

595
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,679
and potential business partners are looking at and starting to

596
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,800
understand that these hyper expensive missile shields that we're selling

597
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,960
to people are not quite all they're cracked up to be.

598
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And you know, when you factor into that just the

599
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:24,119
cost disparity of shooting down thirty five thousand dollars drones

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with you know, four million dollar missiles. I mean, we

601
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,039
can afford it. Yeah, sure, but that doesn't mean it's meaningless,

602
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,360
you know, certainly not over the long term, and certainly

603
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,000
not for other countries that we think we want to convince,

604
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,159
you know, to to to you know, seed concessions to

605
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,599
us to get that protection from us, because they understand

606
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:49,880
a little bit better that you know that it's not.

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Speaker 4: Quite all that we sell it on. So yeah, go ahead.

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00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you on that. I I agree completely.

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00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,960
I mean, it seems that some of the that they're

610
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:05,960
have been deployed some cheaper interceptor technologies for drones. On

611
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:10,159
the ballistic side, it's a massive problem. And from the

612
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,719
Iranian perspective, they're able to penetrate that even when defended.

613
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,679
They're able to penetrate the missile shield even when it's defended.

614
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:22,280
These radios are reporting, they're claiming, but there's considerably less

615
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,360
damage in these eleven days then there has been than

616
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,280
there had been in the twelve day war. That's also

617
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because the Gulf is the one that's getting properly hammered.

618
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:39,559
And then if you're Saudi Arabia, what you're panicked about

619
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,599
is a balistic missile hitting up Cake, the main oil

620
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,360
processing facility in the eastern province. And if you're the UAE,

621
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:54,119
you're panicked about the same being done to Habshan in

622
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,800
Abu Dhabi. And if these things are knocked out, then

623
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:01,840
that's it. They're not going to be repaired anytime soon.

624
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Because when the Hothy hit them in twenty nineteen, and

625
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,599
of Cake, they hit the spheroids with drones. They hit

626
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,519
these spheres that are supposed to I think, remove sulfur

627
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:17,639
from the oil. They hit them with drones. They didn't

628
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,480
go at them with ballistic missiles. So what the Gulf

629
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,360
States are learning, just to confirm your point, is that

630
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,840
their most precious assets can't be defended by partnering with

631
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,880
the United States. The stuff that actually matters can't be defended.

632
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And if the United States's plan, and these guys are

633
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:44,079
by definition conspiratorial, is to simply replace golf energy with

634
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:50,719
American and Canadian and Venezuelan energy that brings profits into

635
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,599
American corporates, they're terrified of this. They're absolutely terrified of this,

636
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:05,559
and they're not being given reason to stay in this alliance. Arguably,

637
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,039
they haven't been given a reason to stay in this

638
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:14,880
alliance since the Iraq invasion. Previously, Saddam was a threat

639
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,280
for a while before that muscle was a threat, so

640
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,000
the alliance was justified. Now there aren't really that many

641
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:27,840
strong arguments for it, and the only real argument for

642
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:35,440
it is existing dependency. That replacing their military equipment and

643
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:40,960
doctrines and training with new sources is going to take

644
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,280
them ten fifteen years, and that makes them vulnerable. But

645
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,599
that's just not as compelling as it used to be.

646
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,079
And politically it isn't selling like we're stuck with you

647
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:57,480
because we're stuck with you. Okay, that doesn't really work.

648
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,199
Speaker 3: Especially when there's a potential gun to your head. Right

649
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,639
even in stasis, that's not a particularly good argument. But

650
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:13,079
when the relationship is starting to sour, the core promise

651
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,159
of we will provide security and also we will buy

652
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:20,159
your oil, that hold is diminishing, and then all of

653
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,360
a sudden, the realization is that wait a minute, that

654
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,880
security guarantee is a distant second priority to the security

655
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,559
of a certain Middle Eastern democracy, as some have said,

656
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:34,239
Sorry Daryl, I interrupted.

657
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Speaker 6: I was just gonna say one more thing sort of

658
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to add on to that. You know, I saw a

659
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story today. I can't remember the outlet it came from,

660
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but it was a mainstream I think it was Jerusalem

661
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:50,639
Post maybe, and it said the number of damage claims

662
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,079
that Israelis had submitted to the Israeli government for missile

663
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,440
damage and drone damage, and it was over almost ten

664
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,079
thousand damage claims that have been put in and you know,

665
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,159
a couple thousand buildings, sum of vehicles. Obviously a lot

666
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,000
of that's missile shrapnel and stuff that's going through the

667
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,639
roof of somebody's car. But that's just a tiny little

668
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,679
country with a small population. That's pretty significant. And that's

669
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,480
not including any of the military and intelligence and government

670
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,239
buildings and installations.

671
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Speaker 4: That have been hit. Which, from what I understand from

672
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a buddy who's up on the border in Lebanon or

673
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,000
on the Israeli side of Lebanon right now, is.

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685
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of the military, the government and military intelligence installations that

686
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,719
have been hit. And I find it very interesting that

687
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,639
the Iranians. I think they're doing something very smart, you know,

688
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,280
and maybe this is just due to lack of capacity,

689
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,679
who knows, Like it's really hard to say from the outside,

690
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,039
but like when you look at what they're doing, as

691
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,199
Firis said, you know, they're keeping Israel in the game,

692
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,480
making sure that they don't sleep at night because they've

693
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,719
got to get up a few times to run to

694
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,400
the missile shelter and all that. But what they're really

695
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:31,000
doing is just wiping out the US presence in the

696
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:33,719
Arab countries. I mean, I can tell you from first

697
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,400
hand sources, we are getting hammered on these bases. Like

698
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I was talking to a guy who's in Bahrain. I've

699
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,519
been to Bahrain. I don't know twenty times. I've been there,

700
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:46,840
just like I probably spent a collective six seven eight

701
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,320
months there. I know the base like the back of

702
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,800
my hand. I know, Monamon, just that I know the place,

703
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,599
very small place.

704
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Speaker 6: And he was just describing to me, like some of

705
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the damage that had been done, not like getting into

706
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,360
you know, classified information with me over over the phone

707
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,159
or anything, but just kind of talking about like this

708
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400
this side of the base, you know, where this building,

709
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,079
kind of where the McDonald's is or whatever, past that

710
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,320
two blocks, that kind of thing. And you know, Iran's

711
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,400
strategy seems to be taking into account the fact that

712
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:23,639
it's obvious to everybody now if it wasn't before, that

713
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,880
in a one on one fight, Israel stands no chance

714
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,719
against Duan. I mean that is not even that's not

715
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,159
even in question to anybody anymore. So they're sort of,

716
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,679
it seems like they're looking at it as we need

717
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,239
to get the US out of here, and then if

718
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,440
Israel wants to fight, we can fight. But like if

719
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,239
the US is not here, if we can get the

720
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,079
Gulf countries, we can destroy these bases badly enough that

721
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,400
A it's going to take a long time to rebuild

722
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,440
that capacity. And let me tell you, like some of

723
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,039
these things that like the FBS one thirty two radar

724
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,159
that they took out, that's a long range early detection

725
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,559
warning system that used to allow Israelis to have you know,

726
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,679
a thirty minute heads up when they got the air

727
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,880
raid siren because we knew when they were launching them.

728
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,199
The thing is, I mean, without even any of the

729
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,880
extra frills that we put on to the one that's

730
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,119
probably in the Middle East truck an eight hundred million

731
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,480
to a billion dollars with a six seven year lead

732
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,880
time when we order a new unit. I mean, these

733
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,280
things are not easily replaced. You don't just pull them

734
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,360
off the shelf. And the THAD units aren't quite to

735
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,920
that level, but those radars are super expensive and they

736
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,000
have really long lead times too. We don't just churn

737
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:29,000
those things out. And so if they can put us

738
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:30,920
in a position where a it's going to take a

739
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,679
really long time and be really expensive to rebuild these

740
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,280
bases and be and this is really the key to it.

741
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,119
We are facing resistance from the Arab regimes that are

742
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:46,440
hosting these things. I mean, that's that's a that's a

743
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,840
huge win for Iran right there. You know, they're able

744
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,119
to show the rest of the world that if you

745
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,119
guys don't stop Israel and America from doing this again,

746
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,840
we can hold all of you hostage at the straight

747
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,000
of horror moves and by locking down the energy production

748
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,960
in the whole region.

749
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: So we can do that. You know, we've got it.

750
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:05,639
Speaker 6: It's not just like I mean, it's really like a

751
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,239
rock in our place, because like, on one hand, you

752
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,000
have Russia, who were sort of you know, hostile or

753
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:13,599
rivals kind of whatever our relationship is with Russia right now,

754
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,599
not friendly. Let's say, who just does nothing but benefit

755
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:19,440
from this. I mean, like I saw a meme the

756
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,239
other day that they're going to start putting gold plating

757
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,559
and diamond crusting on their on their Iskander rockets to

758
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:28,320
launch into Ukraine just to make just because they're afraid

759
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,960
of all the money coming in creating inflation in Russia.

760
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,800
And so I mean, this is just everything about this

761
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,480
is good for them. But then in you know, we

762
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:41,079
can say, oh, it hurts China whatever it does. But China,

763
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,280
as you said, they have relationships with Russia. They have

764
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,079
existing pipelines that can be built out relatively quickly. It's

765
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,199
our allies in the region, Japan, South Korea. You know,

766
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:55,360
these countries are uh, this is this is horrible for them.

767
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,480
And when you add in the fact that we didn't

768
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,360
even let them know this was coming. I mean, we

769
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,239
didn't call them on the phone and say, hey, fill

770
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,119
up your strategic petroleum reserves. Wink wink, we can do

771
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,320
any of that. Like, I mean, just imagine how they're

772
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,880
feeling about this. Who are completely unconnected from the situation.

773
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:14,079
You know, they have nothing to do with it, Like

774
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,840
your South Korea in America and Israel just decided to

775
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,400
wake up one day and for no real proximate reason

776
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,360
decide to just destroy your economy without telling you, without

777
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,920
giving you a heads up, and then, by the way,

778
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,039
to pull out your air defenses that we strong armed

779
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,159
you into putting there in the first place, and you

780
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,079
took an economic hit there. I mean, like people, I

781
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:34,880
saw somebody the other day saying this is a big

782
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,480
you know, this is a big military opportunity for China,

783
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,599
for North Korea. You know, because we're tied up, we're pulling.

784
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,800
I mean, I don't I don't think China thinks that way.

785
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,639
I think they're smarter than that, and they recognize this

786
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,480
is a massive diplomatic opportunity. You know, they can go

787
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:52,480
to South Korea, they can go to Taiwani, can go

788
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:53,840
to these countries and be like, look, if we want

789
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,360
to attack you, this would be the time.

790
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 4: Right now would be the time. Yeah, we don't.

791
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,519
Speaker 6: This is like the America presence in your countries is

792
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,159
a Cold War relic that doesn't have any relevance. Asians

793
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:05,920
should be Asian and like, we should be here with

794
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,920
better relationships. You don't need them here compromising your sovereignty

795
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:13,280
for something that they're just gonna pull out at the

796
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,400
drop of a hat and do something like It was

797
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,480
a huge diplomatic opportunity for China. And so just from

798
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:25,800
a pure imperial grand strategy standpoint, I mean, this entire thing,

799
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,880
even if it ends today, is a complete and total disaster.

800
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: And just also on the political side of things, You'll

801
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,440
remember Daryl George Bush campaigned on having a more restraint

802
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,280
foreign policy because he was critical of Bill Clinton going

803
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,280
into Serbia. He goes into Afghanistan and into Iraq. Obama

804
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,639
campaign no more stupid wars, he ends up with Libya

805
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:57,760
and Syria, and then Trump comes in no morem adlesial entanglements,

806
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,440
and next thing you know, he's stuck in eat On

807
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:03,920
And it is all because of the same ideas and

808
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,239
lobby It's all the same cast of character as the

809
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,840
neo conservative Israel First cast of characters who have not

810
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,719
for a second shown a single sign of repentance or remorse.

811
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,880
And so just thinking about the domestic situation and a

812
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,199
place like Britain, the fact that people were in such

813
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,760
an uproar, especially on the right, against any idea, against

814
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,920
any suggestion that Britain should back this war, and in

815
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,159
the United States, the division that you're seeing between Israel

816
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:42,000
first and America first over entanglements in the Middle East.

817
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,199
This is convincing people that you can't have a democracy

818
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,079
anymore because you never had one, and it's always been

819
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:52,360
fake and you've always gotten dragged into these wars no

820
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,280
matter what you were promised by the candidate when he

821
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,320
was a candidate. And this goes to prove the point

822
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,800
that to be pooted as made a bunch of times,

823
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:05,639
which is that American presidents come and go, we negotiate,

824
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,199
They promise things. They are not deal capable. And if

825
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,239
you're China, you're seeing the same thing. It doesn't matter

826
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,679
if it's Obama or Biden or Trump, it's going to

827
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,159
be a hostile adversarial relationship. Now mind you. Maybe it

828
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,400
should be adversarial with China, maybe it should be adsal

829
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,360
with Russia. These are big empires. They naturally compete fair enough.

830
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,119
But what's coming out of this is that you're discrediting

831
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:36,480
your domestic political system completely, and you're discrediting the idea

832
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,840
that voting is a solution, which is a very dangerous

833
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,800
situation to put yourself in. I'm from Lebanon. You don't

834
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,280
want to end up with the non political solutions. It's

835
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,079
bad by definition. And you're discrediting the idea that your

836
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:58,719
adversaries can engage with you within diplomacy because Trump will

837
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,800
lure in Hama and let the Israelis bomb them and cutter,

838
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,239
or he will have scheduled negotiations with the Iranians and

839
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,320
then go on the attack. And then when the Iran

840
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,920
deal was made under Obama, what did Congress do? Congress

841
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,039
passed the exact same sanctions that it had been imposed

842
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:24,239
on Iran. Ostensibly for the nuclear program, but changed the

843
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,199
wording so that they would be about the ballistic missile

844
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:33,719
program and the IRGC's activities. So basically, Congress crippled the

845
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,960
president to make sure that he could not keep his word.

846
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,599
And all you see out of Congress is this mad

847
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,519
warmongering all the time. When push comes to shove, they

848
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,239
won't allow a vote on authorizing the use of force

849
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,079
against Iran because they all actually want the war but

850
00:50:54,159 --> 00:51:00,880
are too cowardly to say so. So you're just removing

851
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,519
politics as a solution, and politics is only an alternative

852
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,719
for violence. Politics exists because the alternative to solving this

853
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,159
politically is killing each other.

854
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,519
Speaker 4: What would elevenes know about that?

855
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: Come on, well on that point, faris I've been very

856
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,639
interested in the public response to this war because if

857
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:32,400
you go to a certain segment of right wing media,

858
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,599
you will see, you know, ninety seven percent of MAGA

859
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:39,960
Republicans is behind this. You know, this is a popular war,

860
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:44,000
And that did not match up with my anecdotal evidence.

861
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,239
What I was seeing is that effectively, everyone other than

862
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,559
sort of your prototypical Sean Hannity viewer right glued to

863
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,559
Murdoch Media. Twenty four to seven.

864
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 7: I couldn't join the defense forces. I couldn't start corner forward.

865
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:01,440
I couldn't be a mechanical engineer. I couldn't play drums speak.

866
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,599
I couldn't be a boxer. I couldn't play at the flower.

867
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,239
I couldn't sing. I couldn't say with them. I couldn't

868
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,400
handle the pressure. I couldn't feel that. I couldn't pass

869
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:19,599
those I couldn't I couldn't Yes, you can join the

870
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,519
Irish Defense Forces. Apply now at military dot I.

871
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,559
Speaker 3: E was hostile and confused.

872
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,199
Speaker 4: Why are we doing this?

873
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,039
Speaker 3: This doesn't make any sense. This seemingly was done at

874
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,400
the behest of a foreign nation. And to offer another anecdote,

875
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,800
I was out of town the last weekend and my

876
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,000
friends had organized a party to watch a UFC. Then

877
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:45,440
I wasn't able to make it. Catching up with the

878
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:48,599
guys afterwards, and the host, who is not on the

879
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:52,440
Internet but in our same sphere of politics, to put

880
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,880
it that way, was telling me that he was incredibly

881
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,119
shocked at how the other people there, who were just

882
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,639
normal everyday Americans with jobs and children, were incredibly incredibly

883
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,119
hostile to the nation of Israel. We're joking about it. Right,

884
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,199
the sort of things that ten years ago you would

885
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:14,880
have had to go to, you know, poll to find

886
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:20,920
had become inadmittedly a conservative area, but still jokes, common currency,

887
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:24,400
things that weren't seen as shocking. And so based off

888
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,360
of that and a few other things, I start calling

889
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,119
my contacts, right, people who would know, whether pollsters, guys

890
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:33,239
in the military, and effectively, what I've gotten from that

891
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,920
is that everyone is upset and angry and thinks that

892
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,760
this is a debacle. The best polling I can find

893
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,920
says it's about seventy five to ninety five depending on

894
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,599
who you ask, right, there's long tails on that data

895
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,039
are in some way against this war. The one anecdote

896
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:56,320
that contradicts that is one guy who said, you know,

897
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,760
I went to a Young Republicans event and they thought

898
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,079
it was great. Okay, that's the young Republicans. I've heard

899
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,920
it from older people, especially the kind of boomers and

900
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,679
up who you would expect it from. But to that

901
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,159
point on the delegitimization of the political system, this is

902
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,519
not an event in isolation. This is coming after a

903
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,920
Operation Midnight Hammer, this is coming after the Epstein files,

904
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:24,079
and is coming off of a historic win for Donald

905
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:27,280
Trump in twenty twenty four that Let's be honest, was

906
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,119
basically a protest vote. It was Joe Biden is ruining everything.

907
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 4: This is horrible.

908
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: This guy's going to smash it up and make it

909
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,559
go away. And when domestically many of the promises have

910
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:45,239
not been made. Okay, sure, maybe abolishing the income tax

911
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,719
was a pipe dream, but even down to something as

912
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,719
basic as the Save Act right this election integrity, which

913
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,039
was core to the promise of President Trump's twenty twenty

914
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:57,599
four campaign, he is still saying it is one of

915
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,519
the I believe the five pillars of Donald trum to

916
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:05,400
get this passed. And when many of these same people Thune, you,

917
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:09,159
Graham others are basically saying, oh, there, this just can't

918
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:11,599
be done. We can't do this thing we promised you.

919
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,639
Oh Israel, you need another missile battery right away, sir.

920
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,920
It builds an immense amount of resentment, let alone the

921
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,719
resentment that came out of the Epstein files or the

922
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,320
last time we did this. And so fundamentally, I don't

923
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:37,239
understand how the regime relegitimizes itself because I'm sure buying TikTok.

924
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: On CBS is going to solve all of this, and

925
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:45,800
the free desperate free Think of how desperate it is

926
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,119
for them to think that the only way out of

927
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:53,920
this is to acquire the existing media organs and just

928
00:55:54,079 --> 00:56:00,239
try to discipline them. That's a sign of desperation. Look

929
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,119
at how the ADL tried to blackmail Elon Musk when

930
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,920
he first bought Twitter to make sure that certain criticisms

931
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,880
wouldn't be allowed. Look at how Elon Musk had to

932
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:17,079
go to Gaza with Benjamin Natanielle to grovel so that

933
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:20,239
he could maybe get the ADL slightly off his back.

934
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,559
Look at the escalation and accusations of anti Semitism. If

935
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,760
you notice that there is an oligarchy that doesn't like

936
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,599
you and that is loyal to a different country, that

937
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,119
is always seen as anti Semitic. But when Malaysians complain

938
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,880
about the Chinese businessman who owned too much of the

939
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,679
country and run too much of the country, they're not

940
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,280
doing it just because they hate the Chinese. They're doing

941
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,400
it because they don't like the oligarchy. Because generally nobody does.

942
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,159
And the fundamental problem is that the nature of the

943
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:59,000
political system is deeply dishonorable. The nature of the political

944
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:04,880
system is prostitute, like the politicians have to hoe themselves

945
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,960
in front of the board, in front of the voters,

946
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:13,000
but they actually get the money from the donors. And

947
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,440
there is always going to be a conflict between the

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donors and the voters, just because there is always going

949
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:25,960
to be some class conflict. It's just natural, given human tendencies,

950
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given human greed, given our affliction with original sin. So

951
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:37,559
the solution to that is to ensure that the wealthy

952
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:41,519
have honor. The only way that this works is that

953
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if the wealthy are part of an nobility where there

954
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are certain expectations from them, including military service, including courage,

955
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:54,800
including responsibility towards the people that work their lands, including

956
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,360
the whole compact that you would have had in a

957
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,920
previous era. But now you live in a pure financialized

958
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,239
economy where capital is global and can just go anywhere

959
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,440
whenever it wants to. Well, this is antithetical to having

960
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,280
an honorable system. And what is the one thing that

961
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:22,440
restores valor and restores honor its military conflict. Unfortunately, especially grueling,

962
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:28,280
difficult military conflict, because that's what makes man shine. That's

963
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,679
the tragedy of war that it actually one of its

964
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,079
side effects is that it forces us to be better.

965
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,039
That's why the Iranian regime has this longevity because the

966
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people who are running the regime were people who were

967
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,960
fighting in the Iran Iraq War, which was by far

968
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:47,280
one of the most brutal conflicts ever fought in the

969
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Middle East.

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Speaker 4: And so.

971
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Speaker 2: You have this weird situation where marshall prowess is defined

972
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:03,119
by pressing buttons, not by sacrific and where there is

973
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:11,920
a disconnect between the elite and actual people, and there

974
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,480
is no sense of honor among the elite, and so

975
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,639
you end up with people like you know, recent British

976
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:22,119
Prime Minister Rishisunac, who will one day be the Prime

977
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:24,599
Minister of Britain. The next day he'll be an advisor

978
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at Goldyn Sachs. And it just destroys the political fabric

979
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,119
of a country to tolerate this. And it isn't obvious

980
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,920
to me what the correctives are, but to the extent

981
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:44,719
that there are peaceful correctives. Voting that is being co

982
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,880
opted because no matter who you vote for, you get

983
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,559
John McCain.

984
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: So, Daryl, I realized we are fast approaching time. I'll

985
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,519
give you a chance to respond and then we should

986
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wrap up.

987
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Speaker 6: I think that's one of the you know, it probably

988
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started in World War One with massed artillery, but you know,

989
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once standoff weapons became a standard means of war, let

990
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alone drone.

991
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:14,719
Speaker 4: Warfare and air warfare, it really did strip all the.

992
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 6: All the honor to the extent that there that there

993
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,840
was honor you know, out of war. And it's you know,

994
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,119
that's not something that just affects like the military elite class.

995
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,960
That's something that affects your whole society. You know, because

996
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,679
you see this this you know, one of the one

997
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:35,400
of the darkest and most subversive things that prolonged war

998
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,880
does is yeah, there's people who die, Yes, there's things

999
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,320
that get destroyed and lives that are disrupted, but even

1000
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in the country that is winning the war or that

1001
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,599
wins the wars, you know, the big bad victor country,

1002
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,920
it's just it degrades your culture and your soul individually,

1003
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,719
like over time, you know, where you see people now

1004
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,960
like look, and this is not to say we had

1005
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,760
like a spotless wreckc obviously before two thousand and three,

1006
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,760
but when when the Abu Grab pictures got released in

1007
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,440
the United States, that was a problem, Like that was

1008
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a real problem. I was talking to Jocko about it,

1009
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,960
and I was like, you know, what was the mood

1010
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,559
among like your community, like when you were when you

1011
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:18,440
were over there when those things came out, and they

1012
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,800
were like this is not good, Like this is definitely

1013
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not I don't think we would flinch at that today.

1014
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 4: I mean we would and on this show whatever.

1015
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Speaker 6: But I think as a as a society, I don't

1016
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:29,280
think we would have anywhere close to the same reaction

1017
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,960
to it because we've just been sort of inured to it.

1018
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,440
And you really see this, you know, you saw it

1019
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:36,920
in the Balkans. You really see it with the Israelis

1020
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,599
and the Palestinians, where they've just you know, both sides

1021
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:42,519
will say, oh, they teach their kids to hate the

1022
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other side.

1023
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,719
Speaker 4: Whatever. It's like, yeah, that's what happens when the other

1024
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,599
side and you have been killing each other for eighty years, Like,

1025
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:50,079
this is what it does to you.

1026
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 6: It reduces your whole society into a bunch of a

1027
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,000
bunch of barbarians. And you know, the unfortunate thing for

1028
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:58,239
the United States is that.

1029
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,559
Speaker 5: Owning the whole was full of surprises, some wonderful, some

1030
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Speaker 2: You know.

1041
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 6: And again, I mean, you look at the Vietnam War,

1042
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,599
you look the way we handled the Korean War, you know,

1043
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:39,159
with the strategic bombing. We have plenty of problems you know,

1044
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,920
of our own, going back throughout our history, but there

1045
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:45,800
was still like a culture where we felt the need

1046
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,239
to hide that from ourselves. We felt the need to

1047
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,440
sort of you know, we would never be caught dead

1048
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,440
celebrating it. We would deny it, we would cover it up.

1049
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:56,679
We would lie to even our cell the military commanders

1050
01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:59,280
would sort of lie to themselves about the justification and

1051
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,039
just You had to find psychological routes to make that

1052
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:07,880
work for you. And unfortunately, like we've outsourced our collective

1053
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,000
morality to a large degree to you know, this Middle

1054
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,599
Eastern country that has been locked into a blood feud

1055
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:19,079
for eighty years, you know, and which should have you know,

1056
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,119
they have a morality when it comes to this kind

1057
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:23,159
of stuff that it should be completely foreign to us,

1058
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,239
you know, in our on our protected sholders, but unfortunately

1059
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,679
we've we've assimilated to it.

1060
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: Do you want to mention the defense of the rapes

1061
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,559
of Palestinian prisoners that was done by various Israeli politicians,

1062
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:42,079
or the way that people would have in twenty fourteen

1063
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:48,119
watch parties to enjoy Gaza burning and getting bumbed, or

1064
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,639
the attacks on eight convoys to make sure that there

1065
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,239
was no food coming into the civilian to the civilian

1066
01:03:54,280 --> 01:04:00,239
areas of Gaza. I mean, it's really a morality. Look,

1067
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,480
I'm from Lebanon. I'm accustomed to rather nasty morality and

1068
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:10,199
a degree of cruelty. Fortunately I didn't grow up during

1069
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:14,920
the Civil War, but all of my friends did. But

1070
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:22,960
it's just different. Israeli cruelty is just different. I remember

1071
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,280
that in the nineteen ninety three and in the nineteen

1072
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,119
ninety six wars, and I think until recently it was

1073
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:31,360
up on the IDF website. They were saying, yeah, our

1074
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,679
purpose in those wars was to expel enough civilians to

1075
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,559
put pressure on the Lebanese government to force it to

1076
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,920
collapse or stop packing Hasbada, as if the decision was

1077
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,000
in the hands of the Lebanese government but the Syrians,

1078
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:50,920
which was itself a fallacy, but the fact that you'd

1079
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,199
sort of say that that we're going to bombard their

1080
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,960
civilians and turn them into refugees and that's how we're

1081
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,480
going to achieve it, as opposed to we're going to

1082
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:04,960
find the enemy and kill them. So the way that

1083
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:09,519
Israel operates on a moral level is just completely different.

1084
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:15,440
And the aversion to casualties that they have. You don't

1085
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,440
want to be a Russian general in World War two

1086
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:23,039
with the lives of your men, of course, but you're

1087
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:26,440
going to war, you're going to suffer casualties. Otherwise, don't

1088
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:31,320
go to war. And I think that that complete aversion

1089
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:36,159
to casualties really harms them and really messes up their psychology,

1090
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:43,840
and they use it to justify ever greater cruelty because

1091
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,519
better ten thousand of their civilians die than one of

1092
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:57,639
our soldiers, which is mad, which is absolutely mad, but

1093
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,400
they also get to let people about being the most

1094
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:06,960
moral army in the world. And like, I'm a convert

1095
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:10,239
to Christianity, I don't get it. I don't understand everybody's morality.

1096
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,800
I'm still confused, but I just don't buy that, like

1097
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,079
just on that. I don't accept these claims, and I

1098
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:25,360
don't accept this logic. And seeing it normalized and seeing

1099
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,800
politicians who claim to be conservative pick it up, it's

1100
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:35,440
just deeply, deeply off putting. I mean, where do you say, no.

1101
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,519
Speaker 3: Well, you see the exact same thing, Fearius in this

1102
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:45,320
submarine kill of a you know, an unarmed Iranian warship,

1103
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,800
which look, you know, I've said that I don't know

1104
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,920
about a lot of things, and I'll be honest, I

1105
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,960
don't know anything about Nabel matters. But as far as

1106
01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:59,400
I understand, this was an unarmed ship. This was known

1107
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,000
to us to be unarmed, was supposed to be in

1108
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:06,159
a military exercise that, until recent events, we were going

1109
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:09,440
to participate in. And so the fact that you have

1110
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,599
this thing blown up, and you know the Secretary of

1111
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:15,719
Wars is posting it basically beating his chest. You know,

1112
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,360
this is the first submarine kill since World War Two.

1113
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:22,159
You're sort of turning it into a spectacle. Like to me,

1114
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:25,800
it reminds me of exactly what turned me, I say,

1115
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,920
against Ukraine. I still don't have any love for the Russians,

1116
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,639
but it was the way that their activists were promoting,

1117
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:39,760
you know, the last moments of some poor Russian conscript.

1118
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,159
I don't like watching people die, but there's an image

1119
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:45,960
that's sort of forever burned in my head of you know,

1120
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:49,679
the quad copter view, you know, dropping a hand grenade

1121
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,719
and the guy is crossing himself and the person posting it,

1122
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,079
you know, is basically going on this sort of Fedora

1123
01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:59,920
tipping rant about oh you idiot, you thought God could say,

1124
01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:05,679
and to anyone else, this is the most monstrous thing imaginable.

1125
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,559
I understand technology advances, not always in pleasant ways, but

1126
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:12,119
the fact that that, you know, man's last moments where

1127
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:14,239
he's making peace with his creator has been turned into

1128
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,560
effectively like I forgive my French, but like masturbation fodder

1129
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,479
for some trone in Brussels, you know, to get off on. Basically,

1130
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,760
it's monstrous. And I say this again as someone who

1131
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,880
is not to the extreme of the sort of anti

1132
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,640
war movement that some are I understand, you know, war

1133
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,560
is an unpleasant thing. It happens, it's something humans do.

1134
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,760
But this level of just moral outrage is something I

1135
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,479
am seeing more and more in the American populace. Not

1136
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,039
only do we live in a controlled system, not only

1137
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:50,960
are all options for peaceful redress of our grievances blocked off,

1138
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:57,960
but your money, your children, you know, convinced by Lindsay Graham,

1139
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,119
apparently are doing these things in support of the most

1140
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:06,039
monstrous people in the world, seemingly the same people connected

1141
01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:09,039
to one Jeffrey Epstein, right, if we're talking about the

1142
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,640
relative weights of one soul versus another. He seemed to

1143
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,840
have a lot of opinions on that. But it's it's

1144
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,079
beyond morally goaling. So unfortunately we do have to wrap up.

1145
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:24,640
I know, Darryl, you have other obligations. I'll give you

1146
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,640
a chance to conclude, and then after that, well where

1147
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:28,399
can people find you?

1148
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't have much to add to what you

1149
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,439
just said, but I think it is the most important

1150
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,560
point to take home is that, you know, America, Americans

1151
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:42,640
did not use to be like this, and we we've

1152
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,520
allowed ourselves to accept the normalization of things that we

1153
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,119
shouldn't have, and we've done it very often in the

1154
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,479
in the name of religion, which is just it's the

1155
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,279
worst thing in the world. Like, I don't blame some

1156
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,640
somebody who, uh, you know, they're they're exposure to Christianity.

1157
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,479
Is Mike Huckabee and John Hagy deciding that Christianity is

1158
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,039
ridiculous and they would never walk into a church. I

1159
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:08,640
can't blame them, you know, I would like to invite

1160
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,039
them to my church, but I can't blame them. And

1161
01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:15,560
that's really sad and something we should be overtly hostile to.

1162
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 4: And you just hope that you know, you mentioned the.

1163
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 6: Naval attack, the submarine attack man. It wasn't even just

1164
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,960
that hag Seth was beating his chest. Donald Trump was

1165
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,640
given a talk the other day and he said, you know,

1166
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,199
I asked him, why don't we just capture it.

1167
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,399
Speaker 4: It's a good ship, it's a new ship. He said, Oh,

1168
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,600
it's more fun to blow it up. Okay.

1169
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 6: You know, those are the kind of jokes that, like,

1170
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:42,039
you know, that's the kind of gallows humor type jokes

1171
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:45,800
like guys make in the barracks. Right, It's like when

1172
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:49,319
the American sniper guy came out, you know, they were

1173
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:51,279
sort of publicizing some of the things that he had

1174
01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:53,279
said here and there and stuff. It's like, these are

1175
01:10:53,319 --> 01:10:55,479
the kind of things that like soldiers in wars like

1176
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,840
say to each other gallows humor style find But for

1177
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,720
the president to go out there and talk like that,

1178
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,560
to have a guy like Randy Fine. Randy Fine partisan

1179
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politics aside would have gotten run out of Congress just

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a couple decades ago by both parties. Nobody would have

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tolerated the way that guy behaves. Now it's just normal.

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It's just normal, and we should all regret that because

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you know, like I'm a history guy, and it matters

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to me. Maybe it's silly, I don't I don't care.

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Speaker 4: It matters to me.

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Speaker 6: Like the people five hundred years from now, assuming we

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in the Israelis don't blow this place up, are going

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to pick up a history book and they're going to

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read about the United States of America. And what they

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should be reading is we put a man on the moon.

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We you know, did all of these things. What they're

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going to be reading is that we turned into a

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tyranny like everybody else, you know, in the in the

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population became a degraded mob that's cheering on bloodshed like

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all of the other empires throughout history, and it's that's

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very upsetting to me. You can find me at a

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I have a substack subscribed up Martyrmade dot com and

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the podcast the History podcast. The new episode of which

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I think will be out in about two weeks is

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the Martyr Made podcast, and you can find that wherever

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you gage podcasts well.

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Speaker 3: And if you're interested in listening to you know, a

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man who's been described as a dangerous demagogue, I highly

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recommend the most recent episode of your show with Scott

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Horton provoked, episode thirty seven, although he was unable to

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make it. It's just by virtue of its structure, more

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detailed and specific than what we just did. You're looking

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for kind of hard facts, hard information on it. I

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highly recommend that covered a lot of the same ground.

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So check that out if you're interested. Fears, I know

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you were just on but uh, where can people find you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me at chiasmodado X and I

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have a substack Modadgiopolitics, and I also present at the

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Lotus Eaters. I want to second everything that Darryl said,

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and just emphasize that this is a deeply degraded elite

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that we're stuck underneath, and that it does sort of

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depend on us finding a way to better ourselves and

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to be more Christian for there to be a way out,

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because if we individually hadn't been dis corrupted, there is

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no way that people like that would have taken control.

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly I will link to all the Fearis's work.

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You should listen to more of him. He did a

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great show not too long ago with Pete Kenonez and

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Darryl our mutual friend Rod Dodson going over this war.

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Highly recommend it, very informative. As far as my stuff,

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the Jay Burton Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, this is what

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I do now. I'm a full timer. If you want

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to support me, you can do so on Patreon, Substack,

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and gum Road. Get the episodes early and ad free.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, I appreciate it, and everyone at home, keep your

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head up. I can't last forever.

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