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Speaker 3: I've got a very special episode today, doubly unusual because
I have two guests, and I've had a guest back
on just a few days after their first appearance. But
the war in Iran continues to rage, and they're really
no two better men to discuss it than Darryl Cooper
and fearis Darryl. Thanks so much for coming on man,
of course, yeah, no problem. I like coming on and
fear us again. Great to see him.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. It's great to be with you,
and it's great to be with Daryl.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that I've noticed relatively early
into this war is that even as Fox News and
the White House they're cheerleaders, have been saying this war
is going great. This is another Venezuela style success. The
revealed preference from what we were seeing within the political
class told a different story. You see people scrambling to
blame others, not to take credit, which, if nothing else,
knowing nothing about international affairs, clues me in that this
perhaps isn't going particularly well. Similarly, yesterday, the President has
been throwing blame around, basically saying that I was counseled
to do this by these guys. It's their fault, not me. Again,
another indication that this is not going well. So, Daryl,
I'll throw it to you. How have you seen the
narrative of al of on this and even with limited information,
what can we tell about Operation Epic Fury.
Speaker 6: Well, to your point, one of the first things I noticed.
I think maybe it was two days into the operation,
maybe the Monday after it started, the demo or it
wasn't the Democrats, it was the Gang of Eight, the
heads of the committees in Congress. They got a secret briefing,
a closed door briefing, and they came out, Republics and Democrats.
They as you said, they did not come out looking
to get out ahead of a quick and easy victory
and making sure they were positioned, you know, so that
to take credit for that. They came out, even the
Republicans sort of distancing themselves a little bit, just because
they clearly weren't sure like where this was headed. You know,
there's just we can get into this as we go.
I don't want to rattle on for ten minutes in
my first answer, but you know, the people who have
who have been involved with military operations on some level before,
you know, it's it's well known that there are real
limitations to what we can accomplish through an air campaign alone.
Things are look, things are a little different now, uh,
you know, with with drone technology and HD cameras and
you know, AI and everything. I mean, things you need
fewer people to do the same things. But you still
run into a lot of the same bottlenecks. You know,
you run, you take out your first target deck, and
then you go to your secondary targets, which aren't as
important and aren't quite as sure. And you get past
that point the air and the air guys start asking,
we need more targets, give us targets, and he starts saying, well,
how about this, And then you call that a great success.
You blew that thing up, but you're not really sure
if anything was in there, Otherwise you would have blown
it up on the first day, you know. And so
it starts to the return on investment, and the gap
between what you think you're doing and what you're actually
accomplishing kind of grows as air wars tend to go on.
And we saw that very much in the nineties in Serbia,
which by the way, this is little Serbia. You know,
it took seventy eight days of heavy bombing, you know,
to beat them into submission. And that was only really,
it only really happened because we own the Russian government
back then. We were able to get Boris Yelton to
pull the plug on them. You know, if Russia and
China are covertly now or in the future, decide to
keep to to.
Speaker 4: To help it run out.
Speaker 6: And I think Russia would probably be more likely to
do that than the than the Chinese, just because the
Chinese would probably like this to be over. But like,
you know, if that happens, then you know, there's a
there's no talent how long this could go on, depending
on on what the objectives really are and and and
it all close with this. I think one of the
one of the things that's become very clear is that
from the very beginning, and and a huge cause of
this becoming the problem that it has become is it
we just we have very different objectives here than the Israelis,
do you know the Israelis at this point, I don't
see how they can allow this to end with Iran
as a functional state, you know, with this just deem
and control. I mean, I feel like at this point,
if you were to put a constitutional US style democracy
in Iran, they would elect a government that was overtly
hostile to Israel, you know, And so I don't see
how they can permit that. On the other hand, you know,
because of how we've handled this, we've sort of put
Iran in a position where you know, they're looking at
this and saying, Okay, so we've taken a huge amount
of damage. We're going to come out of this severely weakened.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 6: We've done a lot of damage also. But America and
Israel and their ally, they have a huge industrial base.
They can rebuild, they can retool and get back at
it in you know, eight or nine months. Again, we cannot.
And so we've put them in a position where their
best move is to push all their chips in right now, like,
let's fight right now, all the way, fight it out,
because it's just from a you know, from a logical standpoint,
that's their best move. And so kind of backed ourselves
and them into a corner, and you know, we can
blow up target after target. The bottom line is Iran
has many different ways to continue to disrupt oil and
natural gas production and just commerce in general in the
Gulf almost indefinitely if we're not going to put ground
troops in. I mean almost indefinitely. Like theoretically maybe we
could just eventually bomb everything, but I mean we're talking,
you know, talking. There have been rumors lately that they've
been laying sea mines. We were like, oh, we blew
up ten of their little boats out of the hundreds
or thousands that they have. It's like, dude, they have
they have sea mines they can put in place with
rockets with a sixty five mile nautical mile range, you know,
and we don't know how many of those they have,
but they have them. And so it's like there's a
they have a lot of options here, and that seems
to be something we really did not plan for at all.
You know, where you can lop off like the top
tier conventional military capability, fine, but they can still lock
things down basically indefinitely until we can't take anymore, until
we get enough pressure worldwide and in the region to
make a stop.
Speaker 3: So I'm curious to get one your response and after
that I have seen going around social media, although I
do not know if this has been confirmed. Iranian terms
for peace those list out. I believe it's ten or
twelve demands, some of which are fairly unrealistic, but others
are what you'd expect, you know, a draw down of
US forces from the Mid East, but also effectively a
commitment that the US can only wage war against Iran
with congressional oversight. So one I'll give you a chance
first to respond to the same question I asked Darryl,
and two, I'm curious, what do you think that the
Iranian regime is trying to get what would be an
acceptable off ramp for them, given the fact that, as
Daryl said, they have fairly limited options and are incentivized
to escalate.
Speaker 2: I think that just confirming the point that this isn't
going well. You see the withdrawal of Thads from South Korea,
which if you saw the build up before that, that
means that they didn't expect to need these interceptors. And
you saw Trump calling Putin a couple of days ago
and the Russians describing the call as frank and businesslike,
meaning confrontational and rude. And if Trump is calling Putin,
that means that that's the only way to get any
kind of mediation to end the conflict. Because the Iranians
are saying that there was an attempt at an Omani
and at a Turkish and European and cut that immediation
and they said no to all of them. And the
statements coming out of Iranian officials are saying, we don't
want to fight, we don't want to end this confirming
what Daryl said, which is that their best incentive is
to make this as expected so as possible now, so
that there wouldn't be another American attack, and any kind
of regime that emerges in Iraan, assuming that it's not
a complete puppet regime, which is highly unrealistic, is going
to say we need to double down on the ballistic
missiles because they're effective and they scare people, and we
need to double down on nuclear because these guys can
come and attack us at any time. So what you've
convinced the Iranians of is that it was stupid not
to follow the North Korean strategy and build a nuclear weapon.
And the other thing that you've convinced them of is
that previously the Iranians didn't want to just buy wholesale
air defense systems from the Chinese and from the Russians
and deploy these all over their country because they didn't
want to be beholden to either of them. Now it's
become obvious to them that they need to massively upgrade
their air defense capability as quickly as possible, and the
only people who can provide them with that are going
to be either the Chinese or the Russians. Now there's
some Chinese Russian competition over Iran, always has been, and
so it looks like it's Russia. And if the whole
purpose of the Great Game was to keep the Russians
away from India and away from the Gulf, well, congratulations.
India is now siding more with Russia, more openly and
saying to the United States, you can't just sanction us
because of where we buy oil from. And Iran looks
like if it survives this, which is probable, what they're
going to do is to draw even closer to the Russians.
There are constraints on Iran because it's fighting like an
insurgency when it is in fact the nation state. So
it's fighting like hasbal or the Hothi, who could survive
immense American Israeli Saudi bombardment for prolonged periods of time.
But it is a nation state. It needs these assets
and it needs them rebuilt. Who's going to rebuild them?
The only people who can build things ridiculously quickly are
the Chinese. So if the regime isn't toppled, congratulations, You've
delivered a win to China and Russia. And what are
they going to do. They're going to emphasize nuclear even
more and ballistic missiles even more, this time with proper
air defense. The only very conspiracist argument that I hear
that could sort of support this war is, yeah, if
you do enough damage to the global economy and the
United States has energy security, then the US becomes stronger.
But I not even convinced by that. China can just
build more pipelines into Russia, develop more of Central Asia's energy,
develop more coal and more nuclear and solve that problem
for themselves. They don't. I mean, if you are the
world's manufacturing superpower, a temporary energy shortage doesn't cripple you.
So there's no argument for this. And they've destroyed diplomacy.
How can the Uranians negotiate with the US when first
you had the twenty twenty five round where there were
talk scheduled for two days after the Israelis started bombing,
which they can't do without American authorization. Like Rubia's point
that the Israelis were going to do it anyway, this
is a proxy. You finance them and you arm them.
You could say no to them. This time, the Omanis
are saying, and they were the main mediator that essentially
there was an agreemental nuclear but for Israel the problem
became the ballistic missiles. And for Israel the problem is
always the next thing. They are never satisfied, they could,
they never have enough. So this just seems you know,
you've climbed up this mountain and good luck getting back down.
Speaker 3: Well, and on that point one of the things, and
I say this is someone who doesn't really know anything
about missiles or international politics, but it seems to me
to be a logical kind of decision tree. If, as
has been reported, the reason that the US is engaging
in this war is because we were worried that Israel
would go ahead without us and resort to nuclear weapons. Well, seemingly,
if we are in a situation where we do not
have the ability to end it when we want, could
grow past what we are comfortable with. And as far
as I understand, there are very serious targets in Israel
that have not been hit by the Iranians. There's potential
for escalation. Well, at a certain point, don't we get
to exactly the same place if we have a nation
that has got an itchy trigger finger, has got themselves
into a fight where they can't disengage when they want to.
Seemingly our intervention sort of indeterminate.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: In either case, Israel would have got themselves into this
situation where they're starting to look at their I will say,
alleged nuclear weapons. Daryl, do you have thoughts on that point?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think Look, I had heard from
somebody very close to the situation before Rubio or any
of the red before the war started.
Speaker 3: That the.
Speaker 6: Question of the Israelis insisting that they were going to
go first, regardless of what we did, and the possibility
of them going nuclear was part of the thinking for
sure in the administration, at least among some people. You know,
it may have gotten obviously there's people in there who
just Israeli spies basically. But for the people who aren't,
you know, this did help push them in the direction
of thinking that they really didn't have a choice and
that the best thing to do was to help them
finish this quickly, just given the options. But you know,
I mean, it's almost impossible for me to believe. I mean,
if any of the three of us, anybody I talked
to about this, like if I if you tell them
that on day one you kill the supreme leader. You
kill his daughter, you kill us like nephew is granddaughter,
that that country is all of a sudden going to
fall apart, and like, you know, we it's almost as
if we bought into our own propaganda over the years,
the way that you know, Russia and Ukraine aren't in
a conflict. No Putin invaded Ukraine. You know, Kadafi is
killing his own people. Saddam has invaded Kuwait. We always
do that, like to create a hate figure in the
media for our war propaganda that people can focus on it.
Sometimes it's pretty true, you know. Saddam like that was
like a pretty tight little Sunni click in charge of
a big Shiat country. Sort of sort of true Gaddafi.
Maybe Iran is not like that. Iran is a functional state,
you know, and they've responded the way we would respond
if you took out the president, the Secretary of Defense,
and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Speaker 4: You know, we have we have things in place for that,
and the people.
Speaker 6: In the country are not going to suddenly turn on
their government when that happens, you know, regardless of what
kind of problems they had before that. I mean, you know,
I think if you know, if Biden was still president
and somebody launched a sneak attack on us and took
out him and his whole cabinet, Republicans would rally behind the.
Speaker 4: War effort like we all probably would have, you know.
Speaker 6: And so I mean, that just seems so common sense
to me that it's almost impossible for me to believe
that people in the know really thought that that's what
was going to happen. And maybe it made What it
may be is that the Israelis knew perfectly well that
that wasn't what was going to happen, you know, but
they knew they also knew that all they have to
get us to do is dip our toe in and
now we're in, Because I mean, it's similar to like,
why can't we tell Israel no? It's like, yeah, theoretically
we can, but they know that if they were to
go first, the political pressure that would come down, which look,
this is Trump's second term, he could say no to
that too, but just realistically, the political pressure that would
come down, we would get in, you know, and they
just know that they know how they know how powerful
they are in our political system. I was talking to
somebody the other day about it. Like, you know, just
just think about how effective we have seen Israel be
at infiltrating the top echelons of like the IRGC, you know,
all these countries whose entire goal of their intelligence agencies
and their whole everything is make sure the massade doesn't
infiltrate us. And they're like getting up into the upper
What do you think they got in our country where
it's basically illegal to point it out even when it's obvious.
I mean, it's just you know, they know, they know
the power that they've got here. And you know, for
for us, like sitting from the outside, it's very easy
to say, oh, we could just tell Israel no. But
again they they're at the they're at the control panel,
you know, in the United States, and they know it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: And on that point, uh, I have, I have several
bad habits. And as I was joking before you went live, uh,
keeping up to date with what American Zionists are saying
is one of them. But when you have a figure
like Lindsay Graham, you know, literally casting the debate as
between you know, the pro Israel side and as he said,
you know, isolationists and anti semis right Okay, sure one
of those slurs is slightly softer than the other. But
you know that's a man who literally said, you know,
my job is to go back to South Carolina and
tell them to go die in the Middle East. You're
effectively committing treason live on television. Now, obviously, look, I
understand the rules are very different there, you know, for
that lobby and for you know, uh, Queen Lindsay.
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Speaker 3: But still right, the political pressure has been insane, particularly
on on the right. You've seen the President, particularly going
after you know, Tucker Carlson who is a voice very
strongly against this war. And obviously there has been a
fracture on the Israel issue in the American right, but
the pressure has really never been higher. You've seen a
band wave on social media, you know, going after you know,
specific accounts, and clearly there is a lot of political
and social capital behind this war in a way that
even Operation Midnight Hammer did not see. So fears I'll
give you a chance to respond to that, right, I'm
curious what your thoughts are on the political dimension. And
then also I realized that this is maybe slightly more
in your wheelhouse. How is this being covered in your press?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: I know that there's been some jostling between you know,
you PM and our president over this war, but I'm
also curious to get that element as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm from Lebanon, I'm not British, but here
it's really become very quickly a problem because the Reform Party,
which is set to become the next ruling party, initially
came out in support of the war. And how dare
you not back Israel? And if you look at the
details of what has happened to the Reform Party, its
main foreign policy advisor is a gentleman called Alan Mendoza.
He is a full on neo kon against the Afghanistan withdrawal,
pro the Iraq War. He was supporting regime tage in
Pakistan to make it into a democracy, completely Israel first guy.
And he's now Reforms next potential Foreign Secretary and obviously
he's backing the war. Robert Jenrick, he's supposed to become
the next chancellor and he's tied into pornographer billionaires, who
are you know, just discussing people at the end of
the day. And he's been somewhat confused about this because
of the size of the backlash to the extent that Reform,
which is effectively the opposition party because the Conservatives are dead,
has had to backtrack and try to take a Britain
first position because of this sheer opposition among the public,
especially the right to getting sucked into another war in
them at least just because the Americans and the Israelis
said so. On the Arab media, which I follow quite closely,
they've essentially been accusing Israel of trying to rope them
into the war. And if you look at the statements
that are coming out of the Israelis, the accusations that
the UAE engaged in air strikes, Lindsey Graham saying to
the Saudis, you have to join the fight. That's been
received very badly in the Middle Least. They're very critical
obviously of Iran attacking them, and they're quite upset by it.
But then you get sent Com releasing images of them
firing prison missiles at Iran out of the Gulf, essentially
proving to the Iranians and to anybody who had doubt
that the Gulf is being used to support the war
effort and thereby justifying Iranian attacks. So just on these
information fronts, it's really going quite badly. It's really going
quite badly for the United States and for its relationship
with the Gulf. And what the Iranians are saying is
that we will stop when you expel the American bases,
out the US ambassador, and kick out the Israelis. And
the reason the Iranians are hammering Dubai so much is
because essentially the UAE and Israel are in a full
on alliance and they're cooperating in places like Libya, Sudan, Ethiopia,
et cetera. And the consequences of Israeli extremism and the
madness of Mike Huckabee saying that, yeah, these Raelis can
have all of them. At least essentially, this is brought
together Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt on the same side,
which is a huge Sunni alliance. And this is backstopped
by Pakistani nuclear guarantees which have been extended to Saudi
Arabia officially. But if I was Turkey right now, what
am I going to do? I'm going to buy a
nuclear weapon off of the Pakistanis. So nobody seems to
have thought about the second order consequences of this war,
and if they have, they've thought about it in terms
of bringing about armageddon and believing that that's a good thing.
And I fundamentally mistrust anybody who firmly believes that he
is saved, Like, we can't guarantee that we're saved. We
can fulfill our part of the convenant with God, but
we can't guarantee that we're actually saved. But you have
these Christian Zionists who genuinely believe that when Armageddon comes,
they're going to be saved, even though they help bring
it on. Okay, that's insane, and having people with these
kinds of beliefs in charge. It's the same as Islamic state.
Islamic State thought that if this battle took place in
Davic in northern Syria, then the Saiah and Muhammad would
return and it would be the proper end of the world. Well,
that's the same exact mindset that's animating the Christian Zionists,
and this kind of extremism shouldn't be tolerated religiously. It
shouldn't be tolerated.
Speaker 3: One thing, And then I want to go back to
the point about Christian Zionism, because that's absolutely essential in
this conversation. Is you've mentioned, of course, that the air
press is understandably upset that you know that their actions
have been exposed, presumably inviting more attacks. But I'm curious
what has been the reaction towards the fact that these
military bases, these air bases across the Arab world effectively
seem to be a millstone around the neck of these nations,
and supposedly right these air defenses seemed to these assets
seemed to be moved out of those countries to protect
Israel after Israel provoked an attack on those very nations.
If I'm not an Arab, as you can probably tell fears,
but I would be very upset in that situation. I
assume that I'm not the only one noticing it.
Speaker 2: No, And if you take this in a historic context,
the Saudis were vehemently opposed to the American invasion of Iraq,
and they said this was going to strengthen Iran. Then
under Bush, they were convinced that they need to confront
Iran more forcefully, and they backed the Israelis in the
two thousand and six war in Lebanon, and that proved
to be a disaster for them. Then under Obama, they
participated in much tighter sanctions against Iran. To then find
out that he was making a deal with the Uranians,
so their relationship they had with Iran got poisoned. Then
the Americans made a deal, they accepted that and tried
to move on, but then Trump pulls out of the
deal and recreates the same conflicts with Syria. They'd reached
their reconciliation with ACAD and they'd figured out a way
to sort of share Syria with the Iranians, which is
what the Obama administration had been telling them. Kerry was
on record speaking to Air foreign ministers and saying to them,
you've got to learn how to share the region with Idon.
Obama said the same thing and is an Atlantic interview.
They did that in Syria. So what does the US
do It backs Turkey into overthrowing acad just because these
Radis decided to cut the supply line Trusbula. That was
the only reason to get rid of Asseid that at
that time. So if you were sitting in these Gulf capitals,
every single time an American president comes along, he promises
you one thing and then he humiliates you. And then
you saw Trump going to the Middle East and basically
collecting three and a half trillion dollars from them in
what is more or less protection money, and he's trumpeted
it as a huge success that is going to invigorate
investments in the United States. Well, now you've wrecked their
countries and they need their capital back, and you've proven
that you can't protect them. And it's not the first
time you do this. Because in twenty eleven, the Americans
had abandoned Mubarak in Egypt, who was a stalwart ally
of the Gulf and of the United States, and throughout
the Arab Spring was largely aided by the United States.
It wouldn't have happened without the support of the United States.
And now these guys are reaching the conclusion that the
big players, the big suddeny players in the Middle East,
need to cooperate with one another just to contain these
Raelis and the Americans. And so this is backfiring spectacularly.
But if you're Kuwait, if you're Bahrain, if you're Katat,
even if you're the UAE, you know that if this
region was left to the will of Iran and Saudi
they're going to carve it up between them, and countries
like kata will no longer exist as independent states or
Kuwait or Bahrain or even perhaps the UAE. So these
smaller countries are absolutely stuck. That's why the UAE supports
Israel so much, because they believe it guarantees their independence.
But if you're Saudi Arabia, you've figured out, actually, the
people we need to deal with are other suddenly powers
like Turkey and Egypt and Pakistan, and together we can
constrain these Raemis and the Americans and stop them from
creating messes on our borders. In places like Szu, the Libya, Yeah, Man,
et cetera.
Speaker 4: I was gonna just expand a little bit on that,
you know.
Speaker 6: Like I was surprised at how quickly the Israelis had
forced Egypt and Turkey to repair a lot of their relations,
because I mean, like that's a that's.
Speaker 2: A huge deal.
Speaker 6: I mean, they were they were displeased with one another
after the Arab Spring, right to put it lightly, I mean,
and you know, I can't read the Arab press, but
I've got a few people that I talked to in
uh in Saudi and in the UAE, ordinary people, and
I mean they they all tell me independently that the
people there are unanimously behind their government's decision to stay
out of this thing. They understand they're trying, that they're
being manipulated, that they're you know, people are trying to
suck them into this war, and they don't want it.
As far as I mean, you know, you can you
can the diplomatic damage it's being done for the United States,
which I think maybe with this administration and maybe just
with you know, the security state in general, they seem
to think this doesn't matter. They seem to think we're
so militarily powerful that and so just that we've got
so much you know, coercive power at our disposal that
if we lose diplomatic points, it just doesn't seem to
you know, matter to them. But you know, you have
this going on in the Middle East where all the
Arab countries have got to be looking and understanding now
if they didn't before, if they had any delusions before,
that these bases that are that we have in their
countries are not there to protect them. It's not that
even that we can't protect them, they're not there to
protect them. Those bases exist to kill Muslims and defend Israel.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 4: That's what they're there for.
Speaker 6: And which Muslims are getting killed by those bases whatever
might change from like year to year, but they're there
to make sure Israel can kill Muslims with impunity and
we can help them, and that they can't retaliate against Israel.
Speaker 4: That's what they're there for.
Speaker 6: And I think if they didn't know that before, they
got to know it now. And when you know you
mentioned the FAD batteries being pulled out of South Korea,
I mean you got to understand this is not a
like even this is a This is a huge diplomatic run.
I mean when we put those things, when we convince
South Koreata, let us put those things in there. They
lost tens of billions of dollars in Chinese business. They
Chinese were shutting down like huge swaths of brick and
mortar stores, they had their canceled, a ton of com
It was a huge economic hit to South Koreada. Let
us put those things in and then the drop of
a hat, we just pull them right out. And another
thing that uh, you know that that has been maybe
picked up on a little bit. But you know, my
background's in air defense and ballistic missile defense, and I
noticed that watching a lot of the videos. In the
first couple of days of the war, you know, you'd
see missiles coming in talking about Israel because they petered out.
The interception petered out relatively quickly. In the Gulf States,
it's a little bit harder to track. But in Israel,
you'd see these missiles coming in and you'd see two
or three missiles going up to intercept it. And then
as you know, you got about a week into it,
all the videos that started leaking out, you start to
see a couple of missiles coming in in like twenty
missiles going up to intercept it. And right away that
told me, I mean, because these things are expensive. Defense
is a lot more expensive than offense when it comes
to this kind of stuff. And that told me right
there that our intercept rate is not going well. And
that's some for somebody who has been in BMD for
twenty years, that's not particularly surprising. It's it's not an
easy thing to shoot down a ballistic missile. And so
you know, I mentioned that to one of my guys
who's in the military I see side of things, and
you know, at first he was like, well, it's just
not true. We're still shooting down, you know, ninety five
percent of the missiles. I said, no, no, no, I
get that, but you're shooting three or four times as
many interceptors up to do it. And that's not good.
I mean, that's the kind of thing that our enemies
are writing down in their notebooks, but also our allies
and potential business partners are looking at and starting to
understand that these hyper expensive missile shields that we're selling
to people are not quite all they're cracked up to be.
And you know, when you factor into that just the
cost disparity of shooting down thirty five thousand dollars drones
with you know, four million dollar missiles. I mean, we
can afford it. Yeah, sure, but that doesn't mean it's meaningless,
you know, certainly not over the long term, and certainly
not for other countries that we think we want to convince,
you know, to to to you know, seed concessions to
us to get that protection from us, because they understand
a little bit better that you know that it's not.
Speaker 4: Quite all that we sell it on. So yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you on that. I I agree completely.
I mean, it seems that some of the that they're
have been deployed some cheaper interceptor technologies for drones. On
the ballistic side, it's a massive problem. And from the
Iranian perspective, they're able to penetrate that even when defended.
They're able to penetrate the missile shield even when it's defended.
These radios are reporting, they're claiming, but there's considerably less
damage in these eleven days then there has been than
there had been in the twelve day war. That's also
because the Gulf is the one that's getting properly hammered.
And then if you're Saudi Arabia, what you're panicked about
is a balistic missile hitting up Cake, the main oil
processing facility in the eastern province. And if you're the UAE,
you're panicked about the same being done to Habshan in
Abu Dhabi. And if these things are knocked out, then
that's it. They're not going to be repaired anytime soon.
Because when the Hothy hit them in twenty nineteen, and
of Cake, they hit the spheroids with drones. They hit
these spheres that are supposed to I think, remove sulfur
from the oil. They hit them with drones. They didn't
go at them with ballistic missiles. So what the Gulf
States are learning, just to confirm your point, is that
their most precious assets can't be defended by partnering with
the United States. The stuff that actually matters can't be defended.
And if the United States's plan, and these guys are
by definition conspiratorial, is to simply replace golf energy with
American and Canadian and Venezuelan energy that brings profits into
American corporates, they're terrified of this. They're absolutely terrified of this,
and they're not being given reason to stay in this alliance. Arguably,
they haven't been given a reason to stay in this
alliance since the Iraq invasion. Previously, Saddam was a threat
for a while before that muscle was a threat, so
the alliance was justified. Now there aren't really that many
strong arguments for it, and the only real argument for
it is existing dependency. That replacing their military equipment and
doctrines and training with new sources is going to take
them ten fifteen years, and that makes them vulnerable. But
that's just not as compelling as it used to be.
And politically it isn't selling like we're stuck with you
because we're stuck with you. Okay, that doesn't really work.
Speaker 3: Especially when there's a potential gun to your head. Right
even in stasis, that's not a particularly good argument. But
when the relationship is starting to sour, the core promise
of we will provide security and also we will buy
your oil, that hold is diminishing, and then all of
a sudden, the realization is that wait a minute, that
security guarantee is a distant second priority to the security
of a certain Middle Eastern democracy, as some have said,
Sorry Daryl, I interrupted.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say one more thing sort of
to add on to that. You know, I saw a
story today. I can't remember the outlet it came from,
but it was a mainstream I think it was Jerusalem
Post maybe, and it said the number of damage claims
that Israelis had submitted to the Israeli government for missile
damage and drone damage, and it was over almost ten
thousand damage claims that have been put in and you know,
a couple thousand buildings, sum of vehicles. Obviously a lot
of that's missile shrapnel and stuff that's going through the
roof of somebody's car. But that's just a tiny little
country with a small population. That's pretty significant. And that's
not including any of the military and intelligence and government
buildings and installations.
Speaker 4: That have been hit. Which, from what I understand from
a buddy who's up on the border in Lebanon or
on the Israeli side of Lebanon right now, is.
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of the military, the government and military intelligence installations that
have been hit. And I find it very interesting that
the Iranians. I think they're doing something very smart, you know,
and maybe this is just due to lack of capacity,
who knows, Like it's really hard to say from the outside,
but like when you look at what they're doing, as
Firis said, you know, they're keeping Israel in the game,
making sure that they don't sleep at night because they've
got to get up a few times to run to
the missile shelter and all that. But what they're really
doing is just wiping out the US presence in the
Arab countries. I mean, I can tell you from first
hand sources, we are getting hammered on these bases. Like
I was talking to a guy who's in Bahrain. I've
been to Bahrain. I don't know twenty times. I've been there,
just like I probably spent a collective six seven eight
months there. I know the base like the back of
my hand. I know, Monamon, just that I know the place,
very small place.
Speaker 6: And he was just describing to me, like some of
the damage that had been done, not like getting into
you know, classified information with me over over the phone
or anything, but just kind of talking about like this
this side of the base, you know, where this building,
kind of where the McDonald's is or whatever, past that
two blocks, that kind of thing. And you know, Iran's
strategy seems to be taking into account the fact that
it's obvious to everybody now if it wasn't before, that
in a one on one fight, Israel stands no chance
against Duan. I mean that is not even that's not
even in question to anybody anymore. So they're sort of,
it seems like they're looking at it as we need
to get the US out of here, and then if
Israel wants to fight, we can fight. But like if
the US is not here, if we can get the
Gulf countries, we can destroy these bases badly enough that
A it's going to take a long time to rebuild
that capacity. And let me tell you, like some of
these things that like the FBS one thirty two radar
that they took out, that's a long range early detection
warning system that used to allow Israelis to have you know,
a thirty minute heads up when they got the air
raid siren because we knew when they were launching them.
The thing is, I mean, without even any of the
extra frills that we put on to the one that's
probably in the Middle East truck an eight hundred million
to a billion dollars with a six seven year lead
time when we order a new unit. I mean, these
things are not easily replaced. You don't just pull them
off the shelf. And the THAD units aren't quite to
that level, but those radars are super expensive and they
have really long lead times too. We don't just churn
those things out. And so if they can put us
in a position where a it's going to take a
really long time and be really expensive to rebuild these
bases and be and this is really the key to it.
We are facing resistance from the Arab regimes that are
hosting these things. I mean, that's that's a that's a
huge win for Iran right there. You know, they're able
to show the rest of the world that if you
guys don't stop Israel and America from doing this again,
we can hold all of you hostage at the straight
of horror moves and by locking down the energy production
in the whole region.
Speaker 4: So we can do that. You know, we've got it.
Speaker 6: It's not just like I mean, it's really like a
rock in our place, because like, on one hand, you
have Russia, who were sort of you know, hostile or
rivals kind of whatever our relationship is with Russia right now,
not friendly. Let's say, who just does nothing but benefit
from this. I mean, like I saw a meme the
other day that they're going to start putting gold plating
and diamond crusting on their on their Iskander rockets to
launch into Ukraine just to make just because they're afraid
of all the money coming in creating inflation in Russia.
And so I mean, this is just everything about this
is good for them. But then in you know, we
can say, oh, it hurts China whatever it does. But China,
as you said, they have relationships with Russia. They have
existing pipelines that can be built out relatively quickly. It's
our allies in the region, Japan, South Korea. You know,
these countries are uh, this is this is horrible for them.
And when you add in the fact that we didn't
even let them know this was coming. I mean, we
didn't call them on the phone and say, hey, fill
up your strategic petroleum reserves. Wink wink, we can do
any of that. Like, I mean, just imagine how they're
feeling about this. Who are completely unconnected from the situation.
You know, they have nothing to do with it, Like
your South Korea in America and Israel just decided to
wake up one day and for no real proximate reason
decide to just destroy your economy without telling you, without
giving you a heads up, and then, by the way,
to pull out your air defenses that we strong armed
you into putting there in the first place, and you
took an economic hit there. I mean, like people, I
saw somebody the other day saying this is a big
you know, this is a big military opportunity for China,
for North Korea. You know, because we're tied up, we're pulling.
I mean, I don't I don't think China thinks that way.
I think they're smarter than that, and they recognize this
is a massive diplomatic opportunity. You know, they can go
to South Korea, they can go to Taiwani, can go
to these countries and be like, look, if we want
to attack you, this would be the time.
Speaker 4: Right now would be the time. Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 6: This is like the America presence in your countries is
a Cold War relic that doesn't have any relevance. Asians
should be Asian and like, we should be here with
better relationships. You don't need them here compromising your sovereignty
for something that they're just gonna pull out at the
drop of a hat and do something like It was
a huge diplomatic opportunity for China. And so just from
a pure imperial grand strategy standpoint, I mean, this entire thing,
even if it ends today, is a complete and total disaster.
Speaker 2: And just also on the political side of things, You'll
remember Daryl George Bush campaigned on having a more restraint
foreign policy because he was critical of Bill Clinton going
into Serbia. He goes into Afghanistan and into Iraq. Obama
campaign no more stupid wars, he ends up with Libya
and Syria, and then Trump comes in no morem adlesial entanglements,
and next thing you know, he's stuck in eat On
And it is all because of the same ideas and
lobby It's all the same cast of character as the
neo conservative Israel First cast of characters who have not
for a second shown a single sign of repentance or remorse.
And so just thinking about the domestic situation and a
place like Britain, the fact that people were in such
an uproar, especially on the right, against any idea, against
any suggestion that Britain should back this war, and in
the United States, the division that you're seeing between Israel
first and America first over entanglements in the Middle East.
This is convincing people that you can't have a democracy
anymore because you never had one, and it's always been
fake and you've always gotten dragged into these wars no
matter what you were promised by the candidate when he
was a candidate. And this goes to prove the point
that to be pooted as made a bunch of times,
which is that American presidents come and go, we negotiate,
They promise things. They are not deal capable. And if
you're China, you're seeing the same thing. It doesn't matter
if it's Obama or Biden or Trump, it's going to
be a hostile adversarial relationship. Now mind you. Maybe it
should be adversarial with China, maybe it should be adsal
with Russia. These are big empires. They naturally compete fair enough.
But what's coming out of this is that you're discrediting
your domestic political system completely, and you're discrediting the idea
that voting is a solution, which is a very dangerous
situation to put yourself in. I'm from Lebanon. You don't
want to end up with the non political solutions. It's
bad by definition. And you're discrediting the idea that your
adversaries can engage with you within diplomacy because Trump will
lure in Hama and let the Israelis bomb them and cutter,
or he will have scheduled negotiations with the Iranians and
then go on the attack. And then when the Iran
deal was made under Obama, what did Congress do? Congress
passed the exact same sanctions that it had been imposed
on Iran. Ostensibly for the nuclear program, but changed the
wording so that they would be about the ballistic missile
program and the IRGC's activities. So basically, Congress crippled the
president to make sure that he could not keep his word.
And all you see out of Congress is this mad
warmongering all the time. When push comes to shove, they
won't allow a vote on authorizing the use of force
against Iran because they all actually want the war but
are too cowardly to say so. So you're just removing
politics as a solution, and politics is only an alternative
for violence. Politics exists because the alternative to solving this
politically is killing each other.
Speaker 4: What would elevenes know about that?
Speaker 3: Come on, well on that point, faris I've been very
interested in the public response to this war because if
you go to a certain segment of right wing media,
you will see, you know, ninety seven percent of MAGA
Republicans is behind this. You know, this is a popular war,
And that did not match up with my anecdotal evidence.
What I was seeing is that effectively, everyone other than
sort of your prototypical Sean Hannity viewer right glued to
Murdoch Media. Twenty four to seven.
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Speaker 3: E was hostile and confused.
Speaker 4: Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3: This doesn't make any sense. This seemingly was done at
the behest of a foreign nation. And to offer another anecdote,
I was out of town the last weekend and my
friends had organized a party to watch a UFC. Then
I wasn't able to make it. Catching up with the
guys afterwards, and the host, who is not on the
Internet but in our same sphere of politics, to put
it that way, was telling me that he was incredibly
shocked at how the other people there, who were just
normal everyday Americans with jobs and children, were incredibly incredibly
hostile to the nation of Israel. We're joking about it. Right,
the sort of things that ten years ago you would
have had to go to, you know, poll to find
had become inadmittedly a conservative area, but still jokes, common currency,
things that weren't seen as shocking. And so based off
of that and a few other things, I start calling
my contacts, right, people who would know, whether pollsters, guys
in the military, and effectively, what I've gotten from that
is that everyone is upset and angry and thinks that
this is a debacle. The best polling I can find
says it's about seventy five to ninety five depending on
who you ask, right, there's long tails on that data
are in some way against this war. The one anecdote
that contradicts that is one guy who said, you know,
I went to a Young Republicans event and they thought
it was great. Okay, that's the young Republicans. I've heard
it from older people, especially the kind of boomers and
up who you would expect it from. But to that
point on the delegitimization of the political system, this is
not an event in isolation. This is coming after a
Operation Midnight Hammer, this is coming after the Epstein files,
and is coming off of a historic win for Donald
Trump in twenty twenty four that Let's be honest, was
basically a protest vote. It was Joe Biden is ruining everything.
Speaker 4: This is horrible.
Speaker 3: This guy's going to smash it up and make it
go away. And when domestically many of the promises have
not been made. Okay, sure, maybe abolishing the income tax
was a pipe dream, but even down to something as
basic as the Save Act right this election integrity, which
was core to the promise of President Trump's twenty twenty
four campaign, he is still saying it is one of
the I believe the five pillars of Donald trum to
get this passed. And when many of these same people Thune, you,
Graham others are basically saying, oh, there, this just can't
be done. We can't do this thing we promised you.
Oh Israel, you need another missile battery right away, sir.
It builds an immense amount of resentment, let alone the
resentment that came out of the Epstein files or the
last time we did this. And so fundamentally, I don't
understand how the regime relegitimizes itself because I'm sure buying TikTok.
Speaker 2: On CBS is going to solve all of this, and
the free desperate free Think of how desperate it is
for them to think that the only way out of
this is to acquire the existing media organs and just
try to discipline them. That's a sign of desperation. Look
at how the ADL tried to blackmail Elon Musk when
he first bought Twitter to make sure that certain criticisms
wouldn't be allowed. Look at how Elon Musk had to
go to Gaza with Benjamin Natanielle to grovel so that
he could maybe get the ADL slightly off his back.
Look at the escalation and accusations of anti Semitism. If
you notice that there is an oligarchy that doesn't like
you and that is loyal to a different country, that
is always seen as anti Semitic. But when Malaysians complain
about the Chinese businessman who owned too much of the
country and run too much of the country, they're not
doing it just because they hate the Chinese. They're doing
it because they don't like the oligarchy. Because generally nobody does.
And the fundamental problem is that the nature of the
political system is deeply dishonorable. The nature of the political
system is prostitute, like the politicians have to hoe themselves
in front of the board, in front of the voters,
but they actually get the money from the donors. And
there is always going to be a conflict between the
donors and the voters, just because there is always going
to be some class conflict. It's just natural, given human tendencies,
given human greed, given our affliction with original sin. So
the solution to that is to ensure that the wealthy
have honor. The only way that this works is that
if the wealthy are part of an nobility where there
are certain expectations from them, including military service, including courage,
including responsibility towards the people that work their lands, including
the whole compact that you would have had in a
previous era. But now you live in a pure financialized
economy where capital is global and can just go anywhere
whenever it wants to. Well, this is antithetical to having
an honorable system. And what is the one thing that
restores valor and restores honor its military conflict. Unfortunately, especially grueling,
difficult military conflict, because that's what makes man shine. That's
the tragedy of war that it actually one of its
side effects is that it forces us to be better.
That's why the Iranian regime has this longevity because the
people who are running the regime were people who were
fighting in the Iran Iraq War, which was by far
one of the most brutal conflicts ever fought in the
Middle East.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 2: You have this weird situation where marshall prowess is defined
by pressing buttons, not by sacrific and where there is
a disconnect between the elite and actual people, and there
is no sense of honor among the elite, and so
you end up with people like you know, recent British
Prime Minister Rishisunac, who will one day be the Prime
Minister of Britain. The next day he'll be an advisor
at Goldyn Sachs. And it just destroys the political fabric
of a country to tolerate this. And it isn't obvious
to me what the correctives are, but to the extent
that there are peaceful correctives. Voting that is being co
opted because no matter who you vote for, you get
John McCain.
Speaker 3: So, Daryl, I realized we are fast approaching time. I'll
give you a chance to respond and then we should
wrap up.
Speaker 6: I think that's one of the you know, it probably
started in World War One with massed artillery, but you know,
once standoff weapons became a standard means of war, let
alone drone.
Speaker 4: Warfare and air warfare, it really did strip all the.
Speaker 6: All the honor to the extent that there that there
was honor you know, out of war. And it's you know,
that's not something that just affects like the military elite class.
That's something that affects your whole society. You know, because
you see this this you know, one of the one
of the darkest and most subversive things that prolonged war
does is yeah, there's people who die, Yes, there's things
that get destroyed and lives that are disrupted, but even
in the country that is winning the war or that
wins the wars, you know, the big bad victor country,
it's just it degrades your culture and your soul individually,
like over time, you know, where you see people now
like look, and this is not to say we had
like a spotless wreckc obviously before two thousand and three,
but when when the Abu Grab pictures got released in
the United States, that was a problem, Like that was
a real problem. I was talking to Jocko about it,
and I was like, you know, what was the mood
among like your community, like when you were when you
were over there when those things came out, and they
were like this is not good, Like this is definitely
not I don't think we would flinch at that today.
Speaker 4: I mean we would and on this show whatever.
Speaker 6: But I think as a as a society, I don't
think we would have anywhere close to the same reaction
to it because we've just been sort of inured to it.
And you really see this, you know, you saw it
in the Balkans. You really see it with the Israelis
and the Palestinians, where they've just you know, both sides
will say, oh, they teach their kids to hate the
other side.
Speaker 4: Whatever. It's like, yeah, that's what happens when the other
side and you have been killing each other for eighty years, Like,
this is what it does to you.
Speaker 6: It reduces your whole society into a bunch of a
bunch of barbarians. And you know, the unfortunate thing for
the United States is that.
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Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: And again, I mean, you look at the Vietnam War,
you look the way we handled the Korean War, you know,
with the strategic bombing. We have plenty of problems you know,
of our own, going back throughout our history, but there
was still like a culture where we felt the need
to hide that from ourselves. We felt the need to
sort of you know, we would never be caught dead
celebrating it. We would deny it, we would cover it up.
We would lie to even our cell the military commanders
would sort of lie to themselves about the justification and
just You had to find psychological routes to make that
work for you. And unfortunately, like we've outsourced our collective
morality to a large degree to you know, this Middle
Eastern country that has been locked into a blood feud
for eighty years, you know, and which should have you know,
they have a morality when it comes to this kind
of stuff that it should be completely foreign to us,
you know, in our on our protected sholders, but unfortunately
we've we've assimilated to it.
Speaker 2: Do you want to mention the defense of the rapes
of Palestinian prisoners that was done by various Israeli politicians,
or the way that people would have in twenty fourteen
watch parties to enjoy Gaza burning and getting bumbed, or
the attacks on eight convoys to make sure that there
was no food coming into the civilian to the civilian
areas of Gaza. I mean, it's really a morality. Look,
I'm from Lebanon. I'm accustomed to rather nasty morality and
a degree of cruelty. Fortunately I didn't grow up during
the Civil War, but all of my friends did. But
it's just different. Israeli cruelty is just different. I remember
that in the nineteen ninety three and in the nineteen
ninety six wars, and I think until recently it was
up on the IDF website. They were saying, yeah, our
purpose in those wars was to expel enough civilians to
put pressure on the Lebanese government to force it to
collapse or stop packing Hasbada, as if the decision was
in the hands of the Lebanese government but the Syrians,
which was itself a fallacy, but the fact that you'd
sort of say that that we're going to bombard their
civilians and turn them into refugees and that's how we're
going to achieve it, as opposed to we're going to
find the enemy and kill them. So the way that
Israel operates on a moral level is just completely different.
And the aversion to casualties that they have. You don't
want to be a Russian general in World War two
with the lives of your men, of course, but you're
going to war, you're going to suffer casualties. Otherwise, don't
go to war. And I think that that complete aversion
to casualties really harms them and really messes up their psychology,
and they use it to justify ever greater cruelty because
better ten thousand of their civilians die than one of
our soldiers, which is mad, which is absolutely mad, but
they also get to let people about being the most
moral army in the world. And like, I'm a convert
to Christianity, I don't get it. I don't understand everybody's morality.
I'm still confused, but I just don't buy that, like
just on that. I don't accept these claims, and I
don't accept this logic. And seeing it normalized and seeing
politicians who claim to be conservative pick it up, it's
just deeply, deeply off putting. I mean, where do you say, no.
Speaker 3: Well, you see the exact same thing, Fearius in this
submarine kill of a you know, an unarmed Iranian warship,
which look, you know, I've said that I don't know
about a lot of things, and I'll be honest, I
don't know anything about Nabel matters. But as far as
I understand, this was an unarmed ship. This was known
to us to be unarmed, was supposed to be in
a military exercise that, until recent events, we were going
to participate in. And so the fact that you have
this thing blown up, and you know the Secretary of
Wars is posting it basically beating his chest. You know,
this is the first submarine kill since World War Two.
You're sort of turning it into a spectacle. Like to me,
it reminds me of exactly what turned me, I say,
against Ukraine. I still don't have any love for the Russians,
but it was the way that their activists were promoting,
you know, the last moments of some poor Russian conscript.
I don't like watching people die, but there's an image
that's sort of forever burned in my head of you know,
the quad copter view, you know, dropping a hand grenade
and the guy is crossing himself and the person posting it,
you know, is basically going on this sort of Fedora
tipping rant about oh you idiot, you thought God could say,
and to anyone else, this is the most monstrous thing imaginable.
I understand technology advances, not always in pleasant ways, but
the fact that that, you know, man's last moments where
he's making peace with his creator has been turned into
effectively like I forgive my French, but like masturbation fodder
for some trone in Brussels, you know, to get off on. Basically,
it's monstrous. And I say this again as someone who
is not to the extreme of the sort of anti
war movement that some are I understand, you know, war
is an unpleasant thing. It happens, it's something humans do.
But this level of just moral outrage is something I
am seeing more and more in the American populace. Not
only do we live in a controlled system, not only
are all options for peaceful redress of our grievances blocked off,
but your money, your children, you know, convinced by Lindsay Graham,
apparently are doing these things in support of the most
monstrous people in the world, seemingly the same people connected
to one Jeffrey Epstein, right, if we're talking about the
relative weights of one soul versus another. He seemed to
have a lot of opinions on that. But it's it's
beyond morally goaling. So unfortunately we do have to wrap up.
I know, Darryl, you have other obligations. I'll give you
a chance to conclude, and then after that, well where
can people find you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't have much to add to what you
just said, but I think it is the most important
point to take home is that, you know, America, Americans
did not use to be like this, and we we've
allowed ourselves to accept the normalization of things that we
shouldn't have, and we've done it very often in the
in the name of religion, which is just it's the
worst thing in the world. Like, I don't blame some
somebody who, uh, you know, they're they're exposure to Christianity.
Is Mike Huckabee and John Hagy deciding that Christianity is
ridiculous and they would never walk into a church. I
can't blame them, you know, I would like to invite
them to my church, but I can't blame them. And
that's really sad and something we should be overtly hostile to.
Speaker 4: And you just hope that you know, you mentioned the.
Speaker 6: Naval attack, the submarine attack man. It wasn't even just
that hag Seth was beating his chest. Donald Trump was
given a talk the other day and he said, you know,
I asked him, why don't we just capture it.
Speaker 4: It's a good ship, it's a new ship. He said, Oh,
it's more fun to blow it up. Okay.
Speaker 6: You know, those are the kind of jokes that, like,
you know, that's the kind of gallows humor type jokes
like guys make in the barracks. Right, It's like when
the American sniper guy came out, you know, they were
sort of publicizing some of the things that he had
said here and there and stuff. It's like, these are
the kind of things that like soldiers in wars like
say to each other gallows humor style find But for
the president to go out there and talk like that,
to have a guy like Randy Fine. Randy Fine partisan
politics aside would have gotten run out of Congress just
a couple decades ago by both parties. Nobody would have
tolerated the way that guy behaves. Now it's just normal.
It's just normal, and we should all regret that because
you know, like I'm a history guy, and it matters
to me. Maybe it's silly, I don't I don't care.
Speaker 4: It matters to me.
Speaker 6: Like the people five hundred years from now, assuming we
in the Israelis don't blow this place up, are going
to pick up a history book and they're going to
read about the United States of America. And what they
should be reading is we put a man on the moon.
We you know, did all of these things. What they're
going to be reading is that we turned into a
tyranny like everybody else, you know, in the in the
population became a degraded mob that's cheering on bloodshed like
all of the other empires throughout history, and it's that's
very upsetting to me. You can find me at a
I have a substack subscribed up Martyrmade dot com and
the podcast the History podcast. The new episode of which
I think will be out in about two weeks is
the Martyr Made podcast, and you can find that wherever
you gage podcasts well.
Speaker 3: And if you're interested in listening to you know, a
man who's been described as a dangerous demagogue, I highly
recommend the most recent episode of your show with Scott
Horton provoked, episode thirty seven, although he was unable to
make it. It's just by virtue of its structure, more
detailed and specific than what we just did. You're looking
for kind of hard facts, hard information on it. I
highly recommend that covered a lot of the same ground.
So check that out if you're interested. Fears, I know
you were just on but uh, where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me at chiasmodado X and I
have a substack Modadgiopolitics, and I also present at the
Lotus Eaters. I want to second everything that Darryl said,
and just emphasize that this is a deeply degraded elite
that we're stuck underneath, and that it does sort of
depend on us finding a way to better ourselves and
to be more Christian for there to be a way out,
because if we individually hadn't been dis corrupted, there is
no way that people like that would have taken control.
Speaker 3: Well, certainly I will link to all the Fearis's work.
You should listen to more of him. He did a
great show not too long ago with Pete Kenonez and
Darryl our mutual friend Rod Dodson going over this war.
Highly recommend it, very informative. As far as my stuff,
the Jay Burton Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, this is what
I do now. I'm a full timer. If you want
to support me, you can do so on Patreon, Substack,
and gum Road. Get the episodes early and ad free.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, I appreciate it, and everyone at home, keep your
head up. I can't last forever.
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