Speaker 1: Caroline Corey.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Thanks so much for having me, I should say
welcome back. Yes, yeah, this is the third time, and
there was once. It was a long time ago when
we first talked, and I can't even remember what year.
I want to say, like twenty fourteen or thirteen, something
like that.
Speaker 1: Way back. Yeah, I know, you do a long thing.
You do a lot of.
Speaker 2: Things, so I'm sure it's hard to remember everything. But
the last time we talked to you, who had just
completed the movie that was out there Tearing the Sky,
which at first I thought it was Tearing the Sky.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I feel a lot of people say that because either
one could sound like would work. But so just to
follow up on that, that was a great movie. By
the way, I was jealous. You've got to interview William Shatner.
I mean, amazing, man. I'm not so happy with some
of the things he said about UFOs, you know, here
and there, but for the most part, I really I
am a big fan. But still, Kevin Kanouth, I remember
you were still trying to resolve.
Speaker 1: What that thing was, and just the question.
Speaker 2: You know, the movie's done, it's long, you know, a
few years back and all.
Speaker 1: That has that ever been resolved what that was.
Speaker 3: No, but that's a good thing.
Speaker 4: It means that these scientists have done everything possible to
debunk it because actually that's their job. Their job is
to figure out what that thing is by making sure
it is not a like, you know, a reflection on
the camera or some sort of particles you know from
some sort of solar you know, ejection or something like that,
or even a malfunction of the device, you know. So
that's what they do. They go through every single possible.
Speaker 1: Thing, which is a good thing.
Speaker 4: Like you said, exactly, I mean that's the point of
the film, because I'm sure they do that. They analyze
footage that's already done. But what we've done in this
film is do it live so there's no cheating, and
also there's multiple angles, and so that was the idea
of trying to go the extra mile to do it
this way, and to this day they still can't figure
out what it is. Yeah, So we had the one
camera that captured that opening and closing, and then we
have the radar that picked up something exactly in that
location as well.
Speaker 2: Someone in the film you had that I've become pretty
good friends with is Dave Mason. Yes, he's such a
great guy, and what a solid guy, and what a
guitar player.
Speaker 1: You ever seen him, Yeah, it's a guitar player. Yeah.
So that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: But you had a lot of really interesting, great people
in there and that that show, and you had that
I think the right people that have an open mind.
You know, science is always supposed to have an open
mind and move on to the next thing. And like
I just saw it in Dean Aliotto's film Last Night,
where you know, Kevin Kanuuth brings this material to be
analyzed that may have come from the Trinity Site and
basically ends up being terrestrial and it's and it was
just handled the perfect way, like while we have the answer,
this is what it is, and not like no fighting
it or anything. It's science. It's all science and that's
what it is. And the film showed it instead of
trying to or cutting it out completely because it wasn't
dramatic enough. But I think it's it's always very important
to see where science lands things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Actually they weren't open minded, oh really, yeah, I mean
they are open minded in the sense of, yes, we're
going to give this a try, but they weren't open
minded in the sense of, oh, we're just going to
believe anything or I mean, they were actually hardcore scientists
on the team. And in fact, for example, you could
not mention the C word as in consciousness as in
CE five. That was sacrilege, Like it was strictly.
Speaker 3: Science data, data data.
Speaker 4: So so in that sense, you know, they weren't like
just easily persuaded that it could be this, it could
be that, which again, that was the point of the film,
like you're saying, you know, you can appreciate that if
we're going to get real answers, like you have to
stick to that sort of science, you know.
Speaker 1: So you just mentioned a word that I'd like to
ask you about.
Speaker 2: That's consciousness, because there's a lot of people that claim
there's a consciousness factor to the encounters. Yes, and I've
actually had two or three people on my shows trying
to explain exactly what they mean. I still don't quite
get it, because I don't really I don't think we
really understand consciousness completely anyway.
Speaker 1: But I mean, how would you say that there's a connection.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this will segue into anything
that you're doing, but how would you consider that? Yes?
Speaker 4: So, actually what was interesting on set when we were
filming A Terrance Guy?
Speaker 3: I had Travis Taylor yes, and sidek oh, my god, Matthew,
Matthew and Kevin gat Guy Yes.
Speaker 4: And so what happened was Travis Taylor if you've seen
it on.
Speaker 3: The wrench, Yeah, skink can walk a wrench.
Speaker 4: He started out completely skeptical, like he was hardcore scientist,
is a don't even mention anything. But he started to
have so many experiences himself and felt things, you know,
from invisible you know, things that would show up, appear, disappear,
that he completely changed his outlook on things. And he
realized in fact, he showed me a book that he
had written even before, like a long time ago, on consciousness.
So here we are on set, you know, and of
course I totally believe in consciousness because I'm an experiencers.
I've had so many experiences that cannot be explained, and
so so I'm believing in this right and we all
one of the days, they were all in the room
and for some reason that conversation started and Chres Taylor
was saying, well, you are conscious, aren't you? So consciousness
exists you know, but that's where it ends. For Kevin
Kanuth and Matthew it was more like, okay, we are
conscious being. That's but you cannot prove anything. You cannot
prove this or that, and they started this whole de it.
I was having a blast, But you're right. At the
end of the day, we don't really have a definition
of what consciousness is. So I, of course I've worked
with many different types of scientists, and to me, this
is how I define consciousness, from Tom Campbell to Dean
Rayden to all those scientists who really talk about it.
For me, consciousness is you can think of it as
an energy. It's a fundamental energy. When you say fundamental
in physics or in science, it means that it's the beginning.
If there's such a thing as beginning or before and after,
it would be the before of anything.
Speaker 3: It's fundamental.
Speaker 4: So imagine this energy that is fundamental at the origin
of everything, and from that energy everything emerges. Einstein said,
matter is actually energy. So from that fundamental energy you
have the physical world. You have matter, you have stars
and planets, and you know, living beings, intelligent life in
different forms. But at the base of everything is that
same substance. That's the reason why uppeer we think we're separate.
We think, oh, well, I'm a person, and here's an animal,
and here's a planet, and here's a star.
Speaker 3: But we all.
Speaker 4: Emerged from the same fabric, that same energy, in different
format and different configurations. So we end up appearing different
and separate. But it's that same original fabric that connects
everything in all of life together. When you look at
it from that perspective, thenpathy makes sense. Remote viewing makes sense,
UFOs make sense because up here we think, oh, how
can I communicate? How can I remote view from this
point to that point? If we're separate, yes, but use
you what I mean. At the root, we are not separate.
That fabric continues to connect us all. So that's kind
of Also, that energy is like a field, so if
that field continues to exist at the source of everything,
then all of the paranormal starts to make sense.
Speaker 2: So do you think in general as a human species
that we just consider, well, we're we're intelligent, and so
you know the ant on the ground doesn't you know,
doesn't have any of this because it's not as intelligent
as us. But you're saying that it's all like it
starts at the same like level. I heard someone on
I watched a YouTube video unconsciousness because I'm trying to
understand yes, and this theorist said that he does believe
that he's going to be able to prove I don't
know how we will that trees have consciousness.
Speaker 4: Well, it's actually already been proven. You can research all
there's plants. All plants are sentient beings. It's proven and
shown that plants communicate. They talk to each other through
the fungal system. So everything is interconnected through this network.
And when you talk like I was funny, I was
just talking about this in my previous lecture earlier this afternoon.
So what is the difference between you you emerge from
this consciousness and your intelligent being and then the dog
or the ants or whatever. So, as I said, they
when you emerge or do you emerge with a new formula, right,
Like you have a certain number of atoms, you know,
put together this way, so then you in this geometric
form and that's how you appear as a dog, or
you appear as this or that. But each time you emerge,
it's creation. Basically, it's purposeful. It's for a reason, it's
not just random stuff. So I feel all the animals
are here to work with the planet itself.
Speaker 3: That's why they're on force.
Speaker 4: So they circulate the energy you know, through their body
and back into the Earth. So they're working with the
pulse and the chemistry of the planet. For example, birds,
they're working with the magnetic field of the planet. So
each aspect of creation, including trees, including plant life, have
specific purpose and specific roles within the overall picture.
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned like this, I believe you mentioned
energy that type of thing. But you know a lot
of people saying there's like a vibration is another aspect
of connectiveness. You know, everything has a vibration to it,
you know, whether it's our atoms or molecules, so whatever
it is, that everything's vibrating, and it's so fascinating when
you think of the world and like a quantum level,
like there should it should be able to put my
finger through this desk, you know, because it's there's so
much space.
Speaker 1: There and all that. I know, I'm getting a little
off topic.
Speaker 2: Here, but but as far as the you know, do
you consider there's vibration as any part of this or
is it a separate thing.
Speaker 4: It's not a separate it's exactly that, like I said.
In fact, I think it's Einstein who said, uh, matter
is just energy that is vibrating at a slower rate.
So it's it's so right now we see the physical
world as physical because we are looking through the spectrum
of how much the eyes can see, right, we can
only see four hundred to seven hundred nanometers, you know,
like that much. So anything that vibrates within that range
is visible, and it looks static, looks material because it's
vibrating within this slower range that it's almost stable, you know,
almost stopped. But in fact, if you look at like
under a microscope, for example, we are vibrating at a
whole different frequency. When you look under a microscope, the
cell is rotating, right, So even on a subatomic level,
on a tiny molecular level, the oxygen is vibrating at
a certain rate, and you're in every cell in your body,
the carbon molecule, the nitrogen molecule, the you know whatever,
So everything is vibrating.
Speaker 3: Everything is byvibrating.
Speaker 4: But then all together it's vibrating with an arrange that
appears material. So that's why there are other things that
are in existence that we can't see because they're vibrating
higher than what we can see.
Speaker 2: I actually, I actually am totally on board with that, Yeah,
because I feel as though we know very little about
what's actually going on around us. I've said that many
times on my show, just by you know, my experience
and thoughts and I you know, I don't talk about
it too often, but I had what would be considered
a poltergeist situation at one time that I could not
explain in a million years. But it just made me
think about what the heck is really going on around us.
It's just on the edge what we can see, you know,
And is it another dimension?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And what would that involve or a little time slip
or whatever, you know. It's so fascinating to think about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, we have so much evidence that
there are invisible things that exists even though we don't
see them. In fact, all the waves sound waves exist,
we don't see them, you know, the waves coming from
the microwaves of our waves, we don't see them. So
animals can see certain things that we can't see. They
can see in the UV range we can't see that.
But yet there's a whole world that exists. So there's
a whole world beyond the human spectrum that continues to
be alive and to exist.
Speaker 3: So the idea, and you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: If you've seen my film Superhuman, Okay, So in that film,
what we've done we wanted to basically prove that it's
the mind. It's the invisible part of you, so to speak,
that is having the effect.
Speaker 3: On your body or on the physical world. Right.
Speaker 4: So we cannot measure the invisible because the devices are
within the visible range, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like, if the device is the visible.
Speaker 4: Range, you cannot measure the invisible range in that way.
But what we can do we can measure the effect
between the invisible and the visible. So if I can
so for example, I take this glass of water, and
it cannot it's it's visible, physical, it's material, right, But
my mind is invisible. You can't see my thoughts, right,
and so can I with my thought look at the
water and change the pH of water? Literally invisible have
an effect, a measurable effect of water because I can
measure the pH before and after.
Speaker 3: Makes sense.
Speaker 4: So we've done multiple experiments like this on DNA, on water,
on moving objects and things like that under laboratory conditions,
meaning you know, you ticket baseline, you leave the water
for a while for days, and you know what I mean,
strict laboratory condition And exactly at the time where I'm
talking to the water or focusing on the water, I'm saying, okay,
pH change pH change, and it starts to.
Speaker 1: Change right in a lab situation.
Speaker 3: In a lab situation. It's in a movie. You should
watch it. Yeah, yeah, we've done that with DNA. DNA.
Speaker 4: We tried to change the electrical conductivity of DNA, which
is very significant. So we've done this experiment multiple times.
And basically with the DNA sample we were trying, we
were focusing on it and trying to raise the electricity,
basically going through the impedance and so and every time
again we measured the baselines, not doing anything, not doing
anything on her and exactly at the time I said
DNA change, boom, it goes up one hundred percent. The
first time I did it with four hundred It's just
like whoa. And then when you stop, it goes back down.
We did that over and over, control groups everything else.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 4: I just measured the effect of something invisible on the
visible that we can do this is proof that there's
something over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to tell a personal story, not to me,
but a really close friend of mine, because it's always
just absolutely baffled.
Speaker 1: Me how this happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, she she was expecting a baby.
Speaker 1: She had the baby.
Speaker 2: The baby came very very early and was like one pound,
and they didn't have any.
Speaker 1: Hope for the baby at all.
Speaker 2: So they called her in because they said, he's going
he's going to go, and the sailine level was just dropping.
The saline it was just going down, and she said,
come in and say goodbye. She grabbed a hold of
the baby's two legs, said she was just like a
little stick from a drumstick, a little tiny little thing.
She grabbed a hold of those two legs and she prayed,
and she said, please raise the saline. Raise you don't
like that whatever the meter started going up.
Speaker 1: The kid is still alive today. See, I mean it
was just to me. I mean I cried when she
told me that story.
Speaker 2: And that's why I said, I don't usually talk about
personal things, but that was like the first bona fide
type miracle i've ever heard of. And this this child,
he's small and everything, but he doesn't have any health issues.
And he made it. And you know, I thought, maybe
it's the power of prayer. I don't know what it is,
but it went up and he lived.
Speaker 4: So this is, by the way, there are many examples
like this, maybe not a baby, like a one pound baby,
but similar things. So what is it that we're measuring.
We're measuring the effect of consciousness. What is prayer is intention? Right,
She's saying please, please, she's prayer. She's putting an intention
of health of whatever. So that intention is coming from
her consciousness.
Speaker 3: Right. It doesn't matter where, you know, like.
Speaker 4: Where who she's asking our kangel, Michael or God or Jesus,
it doesn't matter. It's her consciousness that's projecting that frequency,
that intention of health, of survival, of thriving, right, And
that is true.
Speaker 3: Is affecting that.
Speaker 4: Frequency of her thought is affecting the chemistry of the baby.
Speaker 3: Just like this.
Speaker 4: We just changed the chemistry of the water the pH
you change the chemistry, Does that make sense? It's more
or less hydrogen molecules, same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to send her this video. Yes, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's why this is so important because it's very empowering.
If we can do this to water, if we can
do this, it means we can heal ourselves.
Speaker 2: So I'd like to talk a little bit if I can't,
you know, Unfortunately it has to be a sort of
they need to use this room, so it's going to
be kind of a short interview. But as an experiencer,
if you can talk a little bit about that, like,
I want to know, like what you think it was
and when it began.
Speaker 3: So for me, it started out when I was five.
Speaker 4: I had an experience where I suddenly saw beings in
the room and well, actually it wasn't like a person standing,
It was more of light. And then what happened is
I felt like we were merged, like we just like
I became in the light and they became.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's kind of one of those feelings of becoming one
with something. And all of a sudden I realized we
were talking obviously telepathically, and I remember they were saying
that it was kind of like I'm on this side
of the veil and a body and they were like
the rest of me, like a stream of consciousness, and
I felt like they were my family kind of. And
so so they said that's how you communicate, that's how
you continue communicating with other realms, you know. And so
so that was at five, of course. I mean I
was like, oh, okay, you know, like I didn't.
Speaker 3: You don't have a frame of reference. Yeah, it's like, okay, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 1: What about your did you tell your parents?
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything because I thought it was a
natural thing because it felt amazing. It felt comfortable and
easy and beautiful, like it wasn't scary or anything like that.
It was like a spaceship or it was just like
this organic light something and so and familiar, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: It was familiar, like I know them, I know this,
you know.
Speaker 4: And so so that's why I didn't say anything because
I thought that all children have those experiences. So I
didn't think like I was special. I didn't think, you know, like,
oh this happened to me. So I said nothing.
Speaker 3: It was later that I was like, wait, what was that?
Speaker 4: Especially that these beings continued continue to kind of communicate
every now and then. So that's how I kind of
grew up already with an understanding that there's a whole
world that is invisible, but it's very real and so
so of course I got to college and then I
was like, well, maybe there's something wrong with me here.
Speaker 1: How did you talk about it with friends or anything?
In the introm not.
Speaker 4: Like that, but sometimes I would ask what do you
are you able to see?
Speaker 3: Like? What's you know?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: What's wrong with this person?
Speaker 4: Like because I would like look at someone and I
could see like they have a stomach issue or something,
or a back ache or something just by looking at them,
and so like nobody could. And then I would ask
the person did you have surgery on your shoe?
Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, how did you know?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Things like that.
Speaker 4: So I realized like I was doing something, but I
didn't know what, you know. So then I started to
study like conscient I realized my course in psychology in
college didn't help. It was just like, okay, you're not crazy,
move on. So so I realized, okay, we're talking about consciousness,
we're talking about invisible worlds, we're talking about our normal
or that's what it is. So I spent like twenty
years kind of meditating, you know, training myself to understand
how it works. Who are these beings, How do I communicate?
Like do I communicate with them? Like just with a
you know, like a Palladian? Like what's the difference, am
I saying a flying saucer or you know, a spaceship
or is that my imagine?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Like I would train myself to understand what I was doing,
to make sure I wasn't making stuff up?
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? I wasn't projecting?
Speaker 4: And so it took a long time to train because
then I would have evidence like did I make up
that I just saw somebody in the other room write
something on a piece of paper, you know, But then
I would go and check you see what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of how I train.
Speaker 4: And then I would have like a being show up,
you know, and we would communicate, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I learned about the different types of beings
this way, and of.
Speaker 4: Course UFOs UFOs would show up and then we would communicate,
and I was like, did I make this up? Then
I'd be like, well, if you can hear me, of course,
just communicate, you know, do something. And then they were
like split up in two and then I'd be like,
oh that's cool, Well what else can you do? And
then they would split in four, you know what I mean,
So I would have evidence it's.
Speaker 1: Just like orbs type of thing.
Speaker 4: Or that particular incident that I'm telling you about was
actually three orbs and they were like bouncing off of each.
Speaker 3: Other like this. So I looked at him like, I
was like, are you.
Speaker 4: And then they're like I could hear yes, you know,
I mean I could sense you know that's and then
I'd be like, so how do I know? Then they
could bouncing, and then they split me to four, then
they split me to six, and I remember I was
in Utah at the time, and I said, Okay, that's
pretty cool. And then I said, well, if you can
hear me, then follow me. So I left the house
and I was like in this community and start walking
like maybe half a mile.
Speaker 3: And they were literally like.
Speaker 4: So that's how I would have evidence that there was
some sort of connection going on.
Speaker 2: Now, was there ever a time where other people were
with you and they saw these things too?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So actually that that story that same incident. So then
I was like, okay, that's cool, and here comes the lady.
Speaker 3: I remember it's nighttime, maybe nine pm, so it was
pretty dark.
Speaker 4: It was in a community and here comes this neighbor
and she's walking her dog.
Speaker 3: I was like, perfect, So.
Speaker 4: I said, hey, hi, you know, I said, do you
see these things?
Speaker 3: And then she looks up. She's like, oh, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Probably the like it's like some festival or something downtown.
She was like, way way way, you know, like far
away maybe yeah, search light yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was like, but there's no beams.
Speaker 4: It's like not these things are like, you know, search
lights don't do that.
Speaker 3: I was like. And then she goes about about her
you know, walking her dog.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, but look that don't look
like search lights and she was like no, no, yeah,
like she could not like she saw them, but for her,
like she didn't even want to go there, sure, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that's another thing. Why you know some people look
at this guy.
Speaker 4: One person would see something and the other person would
see it differently. You know, there's no being, there's no
search light. I mean, it just didn't make any sense.
And what search lights split into six and three and
then disappear, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So so it's yeah, that story. I remember. So things
like that.
Speaker 4: So when you have that, you know, many times during
your lifetime. Come on, you know there's something there. You know,
we don't know everything how it works. I'm I'm doing
my best to bring some scientific data, like through the
movies that I do, at least two find that can
be evidence that there is something happening with that connection
from the invisible to the visible, and we just have
to keep studying that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: What's on the agenda for anything upcoming besides doing these
type of lectures.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I am in the middle of finishing Superhuman Too,
which is the sequel of Superhuman that's where we measure
the effects of consciousness. Yeah, so I'm doing that, and
I'm also after that, I'm going to finish the sequel
of a tear in this Guy.
Speaker 2: You are, yes, excellent, Yes, wow, Yeah, that was exciting that.
I loved the fact that you well, you know, you
had such a small period of time to gather something
and there were some things happen.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, and we said, you know, what are the
odds that exactly in those five days? Yeah, you know,
all of this data was going to collect. We were
going to collect and what does that mean? That means?
Speaker 3: So Travis Taylor, I remember we were having this conversation.
Speaker 4: Right after, and he said, the fact that we collected
so much data and these five days tells us two things.
Speaker 3: Either one, it's happening all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's happening all the time. Because most of the
data we collected also was in the flear cameras, which
is the high infrared range, so the high prarid rage
you cannot see in the naked eye.
Speaker 3: This means that this stuff is happening all the time.
Speaker 4: We're just you know, well nobody's walking around with clear cameras,
you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, right, I've often wondered what it would be like,
you know, when I'm in a place where I see
a nice open sky, Like if a camera had or
someone was looking up safe for fifty years straight, what
they would see in that amount of time.
Speaker 1: I know they would see something.
Speaker 2: You know, in that maybe a very short amount of time.
But I'm just saying a random area of just plane
looking up, you know, because I've spent you know, my
encounter that I had, I was in a hot tub,
and then I've had other situations in a hot tub.
I mean, I saw the most amazing fireball. I've talked
to people like Mark D'Antonio about it because it just
was so amazing, and I talked about it once on
my show, described it very well, and someone from Nova
Scotia said they was that in the mid eighties. I said, yes,
their grandparents saw Wow. They described about the same thing.
So but anyway, I'm digressing here, but thank you so much,
and thank you for the work you do, and.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're you know, a lot of times people think.
Speaker 2: Well, these people can go kind of fringe or whatever,
but you know, you take the time and have a
scientific approach to the things. I think that's very admirable
and not just you know, trying to get views or whatever.
Like you're at least, you know, taking that approach.
Speaker 1: So I do appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I'm doing my best. Thanks so much. Appreciate it very much.
Speaker 1: Yes, very good, Take care now.
Speaker 3: Thank you