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Speaker 1: Yeah, very well, welcome, It's Andy. We've got Max tonight
Speaker 1: and we're going to discuss Peter Harsh. We're going to
Speaker 1: discuss Norman Scarf and how courts treat people or don't
Speaker 1: treat people, depends on which side of the fen are at.
Speaker 1: As you know, Norman died recently. He was a war
Speaker 1: veteran and Peter Harsh show he's still in Austria and
Speaker 1: he's still in prison. Do they deserve what they get?
Speaker 1: Are they innocent? Well, that's what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: You know, is it the court's fault? Done better? Are
Speaker 1: we really well? I think we are a little bit.
Speaker 1: Are we really played with problems from government and courts
Speaker 1: or anything? We are? But anyway, Max, you've been researching
Speaker 1: stuff when you're younger person, and I am so welcome
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Andy. It's a pleasure talking to
Speaker 3: you about this. And you know, because I've been researching
Speaker 3: this for like the past couple of months, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's be good. It'll open a lot of doors for
Speaker 3: me on the topic.
Speaker 1: I'm it could be a few little segments and I'll
Speaker 1: get it on YouTube, Twitter and social media and if
Speaker 1: you've got any links, we can promote people to have
Speaker 1: a look at your links.
Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, I'll be okay with that. So you
Speaker 3: mentioned briefly then on the Norman Scarf's death, and that's
Speaker 3: something I was really interested in because i'vetted down a
Speaker 3: couple of things just to ask you. I just would
Speaker 3: like you to shed some light because there's a little
Speaker 3: bit of confusion of when Norman Scarf actually passed away
Speaker 3: because there's two dates here. It's that the first date
Speaker 3: is twenty sixteen December when he passed away in Leeds,
Speaker 3: eighty eight years old, and the other one is fourth
Speaker 3: twenty twenty fourth, ninety nine years old in Ireland. I
Speaker 3: was just curious if you could confirm that which one.
Speaker 1: I can only confirm what I've remember at the time,
Speaker 1: and that was Christmas twenty four because it's relevant to
Speaker 1: me because I was going for an operation for cancer
Speaker 1: that month and I thought, you know, some people are
Speaker 1: getting another chance. That's me and the poor Norman. But
Speaker 1: he's had his time. You know, I think it was
Speaker 1: the fourth of December twenty four and I think the
Speaker 1: reason I believe that date more because I've seen a
Speaker 1: third date. Actually, I think I believe that date more
Speaker 1: because I know he was in County go Away. If
Speaker 1: I know exactly where he was, plus the Veterans for
Speaker 1: Peace Island, they probably wouldn't be lying about it. But
Speaker 1: it would never have come back to the UK because
Speaker 1: in his mind, if he did, he would get banged
Speaker 1: up in jail again for something trivialism, yeah.
Speaker 3: Something, Yeah, yeah, I see that because that was.
Speaker 1: Norman. He would hide your hide your kiddies, teddy bears.
Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't it wouldn't you know, be aggressive,
Speaker 1: or it'd moan about counsel and not end in the
Speaker 1: bins on time, you know, or the parking attendant. He
Speaker 1: wasn't really a violent crazy guy that somebody do outlets
Speaker 1: of pain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed, completely agreed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he's been in jail for silly misdemeanors.
Speaker 1: He's he's probably been into psychiatric units. But so as Peter.
Speaker 1: And good thing about Peter is I saw his arrest
Speaker 1: and I followed his story ever since.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, thank you for that. I never
Speaker 3: got to meet Norman personally, but there's a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff online. I'd just like to ask, like when when
Speaker 3: was the last time you met Norman.
Speaker 1: I personally have never met him, but I've been on
Speaker 1: line with him several times and phone calls, you know,
Speaker 1: like ls on end.
Speaker 4: I've never personally met him, Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Well I'm draw the fact that I never met him.
Speaker 3: He is honestly my hero. You know. It's like and
Speaker 3: he didn't deserve all the stuff they got, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like all these core cases, it's unrealistic,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's and.
Speaker 1: How them to fit together is that when Peter was
Speaker 1: I suppose he must have been on the run at
Speaker 1: the time, only because of the way the corruption is.
Speaker 1: It was on the run and Norman looked after him.
Speaker 1: But we can say that now because Norman's not here.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well, very kind, very kind of him. On
Speaker 3: the connection of Peter, last time I noticed anything any
Speaker 3: information about him was he got released from a mental
Speaker 3: institution in Austria about five or six months ago. I
Speaker 3: was just wondering if you could confirm that like, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I definitely wouldn't have said so unless you can
Speaker 1: send me the information.
Speaker 3: Oh no, not you particularly, This is this is what
Speaker 3: I've researched.
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got anything to show me from somewhere,
Speaker 1: that'd be interesting because I talked to his supporters on
Speaker 1: a daily basis and he's definitely still in Aston prison
Speaker 1: in in Links I think it is in Austria really,
Speaker 1: so he's on the mental health ward for being mad
Speaker 1: because he talks too much truth like Norman did. But
Speaker 1: I don't think he was released now because he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even allowed to go to his mum's funeral
Speaker 1: two to three years ago, so I know he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been released.
Speaker 3: How horrible, horrible. It's just I personally want to get
Speaker 3: in contact with Peter, So yeah, thanks for clearing that up.
Speaker 1: I can definitely, I can definitely email you his prison number, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And I can put you in touch with a couple
Speaker 1: of trusted people who if you wanted to send Peter
Speaker 1: a message with your details on, they would give it
Speaker 1: to him and then he would write to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that would be greatly appreciated. What you need, Yeah,
Speaker 3: will they all send over the information. So now I
Speaker 3: just want to talk about how I feel as a
Speaker 3: free talker, you know, you know, like one of the
Speaker 3: last descendants of Freeman, you know, as a young person myself.
Speaker 3: You know, when I like follow up with all of
Speaker 3: this in the past of Norman, Scarf and Peter and you,
Speaker 3: I feel like I am like one of the last
Speaker 3: Freemen that's currently going, you know, and it's like so
Speaker 3: rare to come across like people like you and I.
Speaker 3: So I just want to tell you a little bit
Speaker 3: about myself and like how like I perceive music and
Speaker 3: art across Manchester and I like I'm Sulford based in Manchester,
Speaker 3: if you know. And yeah, and I feel like my
Speaker 3: music and my art, which expresses the message that I give,
Speaker 3: it's currently like being like silenced by like the state
Speaker 3: and like these people that just like, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: been silenced you surprisingly, yes, yes, I mean.
Speaker 1: Because people use music and are to express if they're
Speaker 1: not feeling good, to feel better, or if they want
Speaker 1: to express something without writing it, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: like Norman would shout it from the rooftops, but you
Speaker 1: do it in a in a musical way.
Speaker 3: I would sing it from the rooftops. That's what. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you must like then you m in a way yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like just like meaningful, you know. But I'm
Speaker 3: like I do as much like I think it's banks.
Speaker 3: Maybe not now because he has like a lot of
Speaker 3: money he can put into things like that. But I
Speaker 3: try and always get my message across, Like, but it's
Speaker 3: obvious that I'm being silenced by the by the state,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's just it's just not good. It's
Speaker 3: not what I want at all, you know. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to break free from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell it's a bit more because that sounds interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I am personally, I just want to like
Speaker 3: organize like a protest, like peaceful protests against war and
Speaker 3: like a lot of personal things that I've come across,
Speaker 3: like in modern day society, like technology and like the
Speaker 3: addiction towards it, and then just like constant war which
Speaker 3: is going on. I despise it. I despise it.
Speaker 1: And yeah it's I mean, I'm not religious, but apparently
Speaker 1: it's what the Bible sort of predicted in many sort
Speaker 1: of religions and it's kind of oh on these what
Speaker 1: they call them, these people who can predict things that
Speaker 1: they predicted it as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is.
Speaker 1: Very spooky sometimes, but you know, sometimes it isn't because
Speaker 1: if it's coming true, then what's wrong about that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, something that comes to mind instantly is Babavanga.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of her?
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking. I can't remember the name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she predicted years ago. She passed away a
Speaker 3: long time ago. My mother always tells me about her,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, she predicted war in Europe last year,
Speaker 3: and it's exactly what's happened, you know, it's like across
Speaker 3: the world and yeah, and she's.
Speaker 1: Even predicted the migrant crisis in their countries.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, agreed, we'll call it.
Speaker 1: A crisis because it's out of control now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, well, what I want to do personally,
Speaker 3: I want to organize the world's largest protest. I want
Speaker 3: to get loads of people with the similar thought, you know,
Speaker 3: especially the youth, to come together and protest war and
Speaker 3: all the negativity across the world. In the UK, especially
Speaker 3: like where I'm raised, to go against this pain. Everyone
Speaker 3: against pain. You know, the war of the past. You know,
Speaker 3: it's the past. It's people from the past bringing it
Speaker 3: into our lives and we personally don't want to live
Speaker 3: with that pain and suffering as everyone did. I understand
Speaker 3: that it's a natural thing for humans to fight, but
Speaker 3: there is bigger problems in the world, you know. It's
Speaker 3: like and I don't want to be brought onto this.
Speaker 3: You know, as a young person myself, you know, neither
Speaker 3: would you. Neither would anyone. You know. It's all to
Speaker 3: do with money and capitalism, which I despise greatly.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be and I got there somehow. I
Speaker 1: got there a little bit. I didn't get there a
Speaker 1: big bit. I wanted to be like a Tommy Robinson.
Speaker 1: It's May sixteenth gathering, you know, uniting the Kingdom in London.
Speaker 1: That would be good. I never get down there because
Speaker 1: I live up in the Orkney Islands, but I always
Speaker 1: wanted to do that. So I started off. I children
Speaker 1: got taken into the care system. It was unfair. So
Speaker 1: that's why I don't like the judges ither and social workers.
Speaker 1: So I decided to block the M twenty five motorway. Okay,
Speaker 1: they didn't like it. The day before we're going to
Speaker 1: do it. It's only about thirty of us. They decided
Speaker 1: we can't suck that. That's free speech. So they decided
Speaker 1: and it was quite funny they helped us block it.
Speaker 1: You need sort of unique ideas that are going to
Speaker 1: involve every community for every problem, and then you're on
Speaker 1: a winner them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well that's exactly what I want to achieve.
Speaker 3: So thank you for like almost inspiring me, because I
Speaker 3: look up to the like the truth seekers, you know,
Speaker 3: like which we all are.
Speaker 1: You know, I think your niche might be on in
Speaker 1: student students because they love a little protest, They love art,
Speaker 1: they love music, and they love getting a message out.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, young people under thirty, especially
Speaker 1: the students.
Speaker 3: Why not older people? Oh yeah, I tend to speak
Speaker 3: to older people that are very wise, you know, they
Speaker 3: like almost teach me in a way. You know, it's
Speaker 3: very interesting. So I think personally students are very strong, guess,
Speaker 3: but also like the people of the past as well,
Speaker 3: like older people. Like it's like, means a lot to everyone,
Speaker 3: so everyone should take a part into it.
Speaker 1: You know Norman really because he was one of them
Speaker 1: guys that you know, there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: a different side to him, right enough. You know it's
Speaker 1: in the media, but one to one. He would treat
Speaker 1: you like his own son and give you a wisdom advice.
Speaker 1: You know he's not one of these. It would, you know,
Speaker 1: shout and scream or that judge is that fing this?
Speaker 1: And he would say why that judge was whatever he was,
Speaker 1: and he would write emails. I mean in that respect
Speaker 1: the reason it'd be a little bit like what's his name,
Speaker 1: it'd been Alex Bellfield. It keeps writing emails to people
Speaker 1: about problems. Yes, let that be our Norman. But Peter,
Speaker 1: it's got to be the most miscarriage of justice I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of it apart from now Lucy, let me
Speaker 1: Peter whether we you know, because he has got what
Speaker 1: you call it now criminal record for apparently having images
Speaker 1: of children. He claims he was set up because he
Speaker 1: was going to spill the beans on Jimmy Savell connections
Speaker 1: with Yorkshire councils. And you know, most people believe that
Speaker 1: there are some things in his story that you think, really,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a bit for our face, but in general,
Speaker 1: you know, it was definitely not nuts. I definitely don't
Speaker 1: think he was gay or a Peterphile. You could probably
Speaker 1: say he's a mix of Norman Scarf and Alex Bellfield
Speaker 1: who just like to get that message out very very much.
Speaker 1: And he did email about people and upset people. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was also set up by someone
Speaker 3: because they kept a list of everything in his house.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's just a shame this happens to people,
Speaker 3: especially someone like which isn't crazy.
Speaker 1: You know. Imagine you're having I don't know the number now,
Speaker 1: let's say several hundred books and within thirty minutes it
Speaker 1: may be less, maybe a little bit more. But they
Speaker 1: found images or discs in these books. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're going to have that sort of filth in your books,
Speaker 1: you're not going to leave it so they can find
Speaker 1: it quickly, are you? You're going to bury it somewhere,
Speaker 1: probably where you don't live, you know, underground somewhere, and
Speaker 1: it's in you know, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, yeah, it's a tricky one, really, isn't it.
Speaker 3: And it's a shame that he's been walked up now,
Speaker 3: you know, because we can't actually get the truth. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like that's why I'm thankful for you to put
Speaker 3: me in contact with him, because I would love I
Speaker 3: would love to send him a letter and get away.
Speaker 1: We appreciate. Yeah, we do it by email the prisoner.
Speaker 1: But there's a lady that writes to him every week
Speaker 1: or fortnite, sends him stuff. She makes well know you
Speaker 1: and if you tell her your situation and how he
Speaker 1: inspired you, how Norman did, because they know Norman as well,
Speaker 1: this particular contact. So yeah, yeah, to do all that,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure she'll have a write a letter. I mean,
Speaker 1: you send her the letter and she'll print it and
Speaker 1: post it or you you just get the prison number
Speaker 1: off of her, yeah, and the address and yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now I just want to talk about a bloke
Speaker 3: named Keith Dunsnap kerry On.
Speaker 1: I don't know him now.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was. He was someone that I met a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and he met me and he
Speaker 3: invited me to a location where it was. It took
Speaker 3: a very very heavy tow on my life personally. It's
Speaker 3: even hard for me to talk about it right now.
Speaker 3: But he recruited me for the common purpose cause if
Speaker 3: you're familiar with that, yeah, I love.
Speaker 1: On purpose here.
Speaker 3: It's horrible, horrible business, horrible just thinking about it, you know.
Speaker 3: And they took me to enclosed location in Manchester, and
Speaker 3: I almost regret going there simply because it was just
Speaker 3: horrible to see what I witnessed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people like me and Norman would kind of know
Speaker 1: it exists, but never really know anybody that's got close
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, well I did, you see, And it was
Speaker 3: very eventful. I almost dream about it like often, you know.
Speaker 3: And I didn't even spend long there, but I uncovered
Speaker 3: a lot. For example, I've got written it down in notes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a location in Manchester. It was very very
Speaker 3: hidden that they had white covering over the building, not
Speaker 3: a postchool, no address, very very hidden, like I said,
Speaker 3: and this building when I arrived, as I instructed to
Speaker 3: by Ben Wax, it was very very very eventful, you see,
Speaker 3: because I uncovered something almost like a cult meeting. It
Speaker 3: was scary for me. You know. I got there and
Speaker 3: people's identity were hidden, and it was just crazy to
Speaker 3: see this what how do you call it? Purpose? Common
Speaker 3: purpose had so much like deepness to it.
Speaker 1: You know, I was gonna say, it sounds crazy because
Speaker 1: even Freemasons they don't hide their faces, do they.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, well yeah, it's very very.
Speaker 1: Was it'sn't common purpose a little bit like freemasony, but
Speaker 1: in a worser sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. And there's also like a lot of
Speaker 3: connections with cams as well. I personally hate cams. I
Speaker 3: was tried tried to recruit me when I was twenty
Speaker 3: one where it was only for children and it was scary.
Speaker 3: You see, there was a lot going on in that
Speaker 3: building when Ben Wax took me there. It almost like
Speaker 3: scarred my braininess. So like I'm sweating even talking about
Speaker 3: it right now.
Speaker 1: Say it's traumatic, isn't it?
Speaker 3: When you Yeah, like I said, like I still dream
Speaker 3: about it as well, like the imagery in my had
Speaker 3: and it's like I never even want to go back
Speaker 3: to even that area. There was like teenage boys being
Speaker 3: made to buy apples through bubble wrap, and it was
Speaker 3: it seemed very very odd. It's almost seems like I'm
Speaker 3: making it up, but it was. It was very, very
Speaker 3: very odd.
Speaker 1: I must say, if anybody that doesn't know what that means,
Speaker 1: it's it's supposed to be an organization dedicated to developing
Speaker 1: leaders who can cross cultural institutionals, social boundaries, fostering collaboration
Speaker 1: to tackle complex real world problems. Well, I can see
Speaker 1: you the way why somebody young would want to get
Speaker 1: into that. The words don't sound good, don't they. But
Speaker 1: eating that apple, well, yeah, I bet you. I wanted
Speaker 1: to run there and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. I did, and I did not spend
Speaker 3: longer there at all, not at all. They were actually
Speaker 3: exposed for taking children from cams to do these things.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's an illusion of corruption. I hate it all
Speaker 3: wow mm hmm, And it definitely needs to be took down.
Speaker 3: I personally, like will try my hardest to take it down.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like how the how they fund fund the wars
Speaker 3: from the Council of the States that we live in.
Speaker 3: It's the idea of it is horrible completely.
Speaker 1: You've obviously heard of the UK column. Yes, yeah, try
Speaker 1: and get in touch with Brian Brian Gerrish because you
Speaker 1: know they're they're they're exposing well there was when I
Speaker 1: was chatting to him twenty years ago. They love exposing
Speaker 1: common purpose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what needs to happen again. Definitely, most
Speaker 3: definitely I have a strong, strong hatred towards them. There's
Speaker 3: no other option to keep them around. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like why why would we I feel like, you know, like,
Speaker 3: especially with the protests and everything like that. I feel
Speaker 3: like if we get enough power, we could we could
Speaker 3: happily expose them, take them down, and you know, it
Speaker 3: will lead a brighter future for the youth. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about my children, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm only young and I'm twenty two years old, so
Speaker 3: it's it's going to be leading the way.
Speaker 1: But I think we've got a bigger problem though with
Speaker 1: the wars. I mean you've got the pal Welldnians marching,
Speaker 1: You've got the British white people marching, You've got the
Speaker 1: Muslims marching. I mean our country is really, really in a.
Speaker 3: Bad state shambles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tommy Robertson's thinks obviously, if we get rid of
Speaker 1: the boat people and sort out the cultural problem, we
Speaker 1: should be all right. But I think it's going to
Speaker 1: take a lot more than more than that to sort
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely like tangled up in the government and corruption.
Speaker 3: You know, like if someone solid with the mindset like
Speaker 3: I was, like a truth seeker mindset that people that
Speaker 3: want the truth to be relived, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: to be shown on towards everyone. Like maybe if someone
Speaker 3: like that is in power, it may sort majority of
Speaker 3: the problems out.
Speaker 1: You know, we put Low, but we can only do
Speaker 1: so much. I thought it was Nigel Farage, but now
Speaker 1: he's gonna make disabled people suffer and basically going to
Speaker 1: get everybody off of benefits kick them all into jobs
Speaker 1: that there isn't And yeah, I mean he's got a
Speaker 1: good gob. I mean I'd have him any day over
Speaker 1: Conservative Labor or lib Dems and Greens. But we need
Speaker 1: to go. You know, it's a sad because him and
Speaker 1: Rupert Low would have been brilliant together, but they fell
Speaker 1: out over one of their egos.
Speaker 3: Well, two strong egos put together, you know, and it
Speaker 3: was like a recipe for disaster. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the politics of it because you know it's
Speaker 1: it's a judges, it's a social workers. You now got
Speaker 1: teachers raping kids.
Speaker 3: I mean, bloody, I see that in the news so often.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just so scary. It's yeah, I agreed. Agree,
Speaker 3: it's like everything's down downhill, you know, Like I don't
Speaker 3: see much much progression with especially the UK right now.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe like across Europe they have some sort
Speaker 3: of progression, especially like with technology from Sweden, like they're
Speaker 3: going back to like reading books and everything like that.
Speaker 3: It's very very like a positive for what they're doing,
Speaker 3: but the UK is not.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just sending you a link for later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I'll look into that.
Speaker 1: Because when I was a bit younger. I'm sixty hour,
Speaker 1: but I started off in ninety two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, twenty years ago. Used to come
Speaker 1: up with bulliant ideas and then the problem was getting
Speaker 1: people to attend these events. You know what was the problem.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to get in get shown in public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, now I can understand that, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's just like it's a massive hurdle to get over
Speaker 3: because how do you get these people to do such
Speaker 3: sort and like through me personally, I feel like art
Speaker 3: and music is the way, you know, especially like through
Speaker 3: industry as well. Like if you if you blow up,
Speaker 3: you know, like people will listen to you more often,
Speaker 3: you know, and that's where it strives from. You know,
Speaker 3: you need to build from a cult following to a
Speaker 3: larger following and there could be easily achieved through the Internet.
Speaker 3: And it's what I hope to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the people, the people definitely listen. We need
Speaker 1: the people in power to listen as well. But then
Speaker 1: if the people are listening and they they send it
Speaker 1: to you know, their MPs and the people that they know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you never know it better than standing on
Speaker 1: the street corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And like even in the UK, there's like a lot
Speaker 3: of stabbings, like racially aggravated stabbings in the UK.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3: All of it is just like compiling together, and you
Speaker 3: know it like it only really benefits the news because
Speaker 3: they're getting content out of this, and it's also inspiring
Speaker 3: other people, Like I don't know whether you've seen in
Speaker 3: the news. Also how the terrorist threats in the UK
Speaker 3: are like tow all high you see that. It's a
Speaker 3: shame because yeah.
Speaker 1: It's because of the Iran war that Trump started that,
Speaker 1: you know, and I kind of believe you needed to
Speaker 1: start it, because what would you do you have a
Speaker 1: black somebody's eyes, that's what he's done with a van,
Speaker 1: or you then murder you. So I mean it's one
Speaker 1: of them, isn't it. And Star Mobil should he have
Speaker 1: supported him, probably should have supported him in principle, even
Speaker 1: if he didn't, you know, necessarily send too many things
Speaker 1: to help. You know, it's because of that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of more problems happening. I think. Ye now Trum
Speaker 1: wants to leave the United Nations, which was always strong together.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well it's very very deep. Personally, I do
Speaker 3: not like Starma at all. I feel like he's just
Speaker 3: a liar. Yeah, definitely. It's like he just gives an
Speaker 3: illusion of power. You know, I said it from the beginning.
Speaker 3: I remember he got voted in. I said I don't
Speaker 3: like him. I don't like him when my friends said why,
Speaker 3: and it's like I can just tell the words that
Speaker 3: he uses. It's all just written down, you know, like
Speaker 3: from someone else, and he just has to say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hated Maggie Factor when I was younger, but when
Speaker 1: I got older, you know, she may have been a
Speaker 1: bit of a tough woman, which was tough for a reason,
Speaker 1: and and and you know it worked. Whatever she said worked.
Speaker 1: I don't like the Conservatives, but she was all right
Speaker 1: mm hmm. But labor, now, there's not been one good
Speaker 1: labor or.
Speaker 3: At all. I would I would love to get myself
Speaker 3: involved in that particular, like like the government and the parliament.
Speaker 3: I feel like my word will be like very like
Speaker 3: heard speak about the right things at the right time,
Speaker 3: you know. I saw. I want to do it now,
Speaker 3: but I feel like I'm too young, you know. And
Speaker 3: that's why I'm talking to you, and I want I
Speaker 3: want to get heard, and I want to talk to Peter.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about Norman as well, because they're
Speaker 3: the people that mean things to me that make me
Speaker 3: want to do.
Speaker 1: Peter knows Norman's history inside out, back to front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably say well the tap that Asandia, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: she knows. And there's more contacts if needed. I just
Speaker 1: got as their permission, but I'm sure this first contact
Speaker 1: will be okay, we're writing to Peter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for that. I appreciated
Speaker 3: everything that Norman did. I'm also like I'm into fashion
Speaker 3: and everything like that, so like even the clothes that
Speaker 3: you wore, you know, I try and recreate and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just really really interesting for me.
Speaker 1: Tell us, you know, whoever you write to on an
Speaker 1: email all about that, because you know, that's genuine interest
Speaker 1: in somebody. I just want to. I just wanted how
Speaker 1: it was when I was younger, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: when we're talking in the eighties, but the courts were
Speaker 1: telling the truth. We did have a crazy iron woman
Speaker 1: leading but hey ho, you know, looking back, she was
Speaker 1: better than anything. Since you know, you go on the
Speaker 1: street and see children playing in the parks, you'd see
Speaker 1: your Muslim friends running with the white kids, you know,
Speaker 1: having a joke. That is what we you know, miss
Speaker 1: and what we need. You know, since these small boats
Speaker 1: came in, it's now a religious racial war within the
Speaker 1: UK because all these Jews are getting attacked. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's their fault what's going on, but
Speaker 1: they're getting the blame of it or threatened. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know traditionally, when I was younger, I was told
Speaker 1: not to like associate with Jews. But then you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go near a criminal, you know, if I
Speaker 1: didn't like if it was a criminal. So what's what
Speaker 1: I say is I wouldn't associate with them. Let them
Speaker 1: do what they want, and I just why wan, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to bother about harming them or even having
Speaker 1: a negative thought about them. They want to live in
Speaker 1: as their problem. I've got to live here as my problem. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like a it's like a spiritual war between like
Speaker 3: good and evil that we're in right now. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like it is not like it on was.
Speaker 1: See when this well, I mean and there is a
Speaker 1: word for it, but when the the mess hits the fan, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, some head's going to roll over this. Lucy,
Speaker 1: let me the bargle. As soon as I saw her face,
Speaker 1: that was it. She never done that, And and then
Speaker 1: you hear it over and over again in the media
Speaker 1: and you think, are you going to doubt yourself? No,
Speaker 1: she definitely didn't do that, because you're going to got
Speaker 1: a look at I think you can tell if someone's
Speaker 1: a criminal by looking at their photos. This is where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, I will completely agree. It's actually just
Speaker 3: inspired me to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was not cold. She was definitely traumatized. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see that in her eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But before that, when she was a normal person and
Speaker 1: she was going to the pub with her colleagues, she
Speaker 1: looked like a normal person of that age. You can
Speaker 1: actually tell if someone's a mad person. Because my friend
Speaker 1: is an author in Cannonda, also knows Peter and he
Speaker 1: knows normal used to know Norman. His name is. I've
Speaker 1: just done a show with him. Author Timothy Spearman, and
Speaker 1: he wrote a piece because he's been a next teacher
Speaker 1: called Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? And it
Speaker 1: basically shows how to spark a psychopath.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I have read a couple of books on
Speaker 3: that or articles online. Maybe not books, but things on that.
Speaker 3: I've had to spot a psychopath. And yeah, it's crazy
Speaker 3: that people think that Peter is psychopath when he is
Speaker 3: completely not. But Keith Not told me that Lucy let
Speaker 3: be love kids, she just hated all evil. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: But going back to the good and the evil, like
Speaker 3: it's all it's all very spiritual in the world. You know,
Speaker 3: I feel like I think it works imperfectly, like with
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties movement of like psychedelics, like and like
Speaker 3: peace and love. You know, it's like it's all just
Speaker 3: between good and evil and the world is currently corrupted
Speaker 3: horribly and like growing up in it is, like I
Speaker 3: hate it so much, So you know, what what can
Speaker 3: we do about it?
Speaker 1: You know, well, we've got two minutes left on this segment.
Speaker 1: That might be a what you call it? That might
Speaker 1: be a question for the next show if you want,
Speaker 1: I mean, just email me, give me some ideas. I'll
Speaker 1: do some research and what can we do about it? Easy?
Speaker 1: Raise awareness, I can do a Norman. You can do
Speaker 1: it well your music, and you are brilliant with websit.
Speaker 1: That's why I intend to do I'm brilliant. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not brilliant with websites, but I make websites. I can
Speaker 1: promote them brilliantly. I've just self taught myself out to
Speaker 1: do that. I can't write very well, but I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I always think though, if you're going to go to war,
Speaker 1: even if it is war peace, you need good battle
Speaker 1: people in the battlefront. So I can be the person
Speaker 1: who brings people together. You can be the person who
Speaker 1: cheers them up through art and music. We'll get somebody
Speaker 1: else to do something else, and yeah, together we must.
Speaker 1: You know it's needed, you know.
Speaker 3: I just I wish everyone could wish me good luck,
Speaker 3: you know, in this fight between good and evil, because
Speaker 3: I really want to have my impact in the world
Speaker 3: just before we end it here. But yeah, I just
Speaker 3: wish everyone helped me. Look, wish me looked towards the
Speaker 3: future of changing the world and the UK that we
Speaker 3: live in right now.
Speaker 1: And Max, I'd love your comments at the bottom and
Speaker 1: he'll probably read and reply to every one of them.
Speaker 1: I put this on the YouTube channel and thank you.
Speaker 1: Let's see how it goes. And if you want to
Speaker 1: come back another time will free you know, just let
Speaker 1: us know and we'll do episode one and until you're
Speaker 1: bored with it.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, but it might take me a while,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: Really is