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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to.

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom Talk Radio with your host Andy Pech live from

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. Emailers Freedom Talk Radio twenty thirteen at gmail

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very well, welcome, It's Andy. We've got Max tonight

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to discuss Peter Harsh. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss Norman Scarf and how courts treat people or don't

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<v Speaker 1>treat people, depends on which side of the fen are at.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, Norman died recently. He was a war

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<v Speaker 1>veteran and Peter Harsh show he's still in Austria and

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<v Speaker 1>he's still in prison. Do they deserve what they get?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they innocent? Well, that's what we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, is it the court's fault? Done better? Are

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<v Speaker 1>we really well? I think we are a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we really played with problems from government and courts

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<v Speaker 1>or anything? We are? But anyway, Max, you've been researching

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<v Speaker 1>stuff when you're younger person, and I am so welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thank you, Andy. It's a pleasure talking to

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<v Speaker 3>you about this. And you know, because I've been researching

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<v Speaker 3>this for like the past couple of months, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's be good. It'll open a lot of doors for

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<v Speaker 3>me on the topic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm it could be a few little segments and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get it on YouTube, Twitter and social media and if

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<v Speaker 1>you've got any links, we can promote people to have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at your links.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, yeah, I'll be okay with that. So you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned briefly then on the Norman Scarf's death, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>something I was really interested in because i'vetted down a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of things just to ask you. I just would

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<v Speaker 3>like you to shed some light because there's a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of confusion of when Norman Scarf actually passed away

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<v Speaker 3>because there's two dates here. It's that the first date

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<v Speaker 3>is twenty sixteen December when he passed away in Leeds,

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<v Speaker 3>eighty eight years old, and the other one is fourth

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty fourth, ninety nine years old in Ireland. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just curious if you could confirm that which one.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only confirm what I've remember at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was Christmas twenty four because it's relevant to

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<v Speaker 1>me because I was going for an operation for cancer

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<v Speaker 1>that month and I thought, you know, some people are

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<v Speaker 1>getting another chance. That's me and the poor Norman. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's had his time. You know, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth of December twenty four and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I believe that date more because I've seen a

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<v Speaker 1>third date. Actually, I think I believe that date more

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<v Speaker 1>because I know he was in County go Away. If

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly where he was, plus the Veterans for

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Island, they probably wouldn't be lying about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it would never have come back to the UK because

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<v Speaker 1>in his mind, if he did, he would get banged

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<v Speaker 1>up in jail again for something trivialism, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Something, Yeah, yeah, I see that because that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Norman. He would hide your hide your kiddies, teddy bears.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he wouldn't it wouldn't you know, be aggressive,

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<v Speaker 1>or it'd moan about counsel and not end in the

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<v Speaker 1>bins on time, you know, or the parking attendant. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really a violent crazy guy that somebody do outlets

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<v Speaker 1>of pain.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, agreed, completely agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know he's been in jail for silly misdemeanors.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's probably been into psychiatric units. But so as Peter.

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<v Speaker 1>And good thing about Peter is I saw his arrest

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<v Speaker 1>and I followed his story ever since.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, thank you for that. I never

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<v Speaker 3>got to meet Norman personally, but there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff online. I'd just like to ask, like when when

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<v Speaker 3>was the last time you met Norman.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally have never met him, but I've been on

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<v Speaker 1>line with him several times and phone calls, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like ls on end.

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<v Speaker 4>I've never personally met him, Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Well I'm draw the fact that I never met him.

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<v Speaker 3>He is honestly my hero. You know. It's like and

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't deserve all the stuff they got, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean, Like all these core cases, it's unrealistic,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's and.

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<v Speaker 1>How them to fit together is that when Peter was

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose he must have been on the run at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, only because of the way the corruption is.

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<v Speaker 1>It was on the run and Norman looked after him.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can say that now because Norman's not here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, well, very kind, very kind of him. On

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<v Speaker 3>the connection of Peter, last time I noticed anything any

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<v Speaker 3>information about him was he got released from a mental

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<v Speaker 3>institution in Austria about five or six months ago. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just wondering if you could confirm that like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I definitely wouldn't have said so unless you can

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<v Speaker 1>send me the information.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, not you particularly, This is this is what

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<v Speaker 3>I've researched.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you've got anything to show me from somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be interesting because I talked to his supporters on

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<v Speaker 1>a daily basis and he's definitely still in Aston prison

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<v Speaker 1>in in Links I think it is in Austria really,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's on the mental health ward for being mad

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<v Speaker 1>because he talks too much truth like Norman did. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was released now because he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't even allowed to go to his mum's funeral

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<v Speaker 1>two to three years ago, so I know he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been released.

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<v Speaker 3>How horrible, horrible. It's just I personally want to get

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<v Speaker 3>in contact with Peter, So yeah, thanks for clearing that up.

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<v Speaker 1>I can definitely, I can definitely email you his prison number, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can put you in touch with a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of trusted people who if you wanted to send Peter

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<v Speaker 1>a message with your details on, they would give it

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<v Speaker 1>to him and then he would write to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, that would be greatly appreciated. What you need, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>will they all send over the information. So now I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to talk about how I feel as a

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<v Speaker 3>free talker, you know, you know, like one of the

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<v Speaker 3>last descendants of Freeman, you know, as a young person myself.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I like follow up with all of

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<v Speaker 3>this in the past of Norman, Scarf and Peter and you,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I am like one of the last

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<v Speaker 3>Freemen that's currently going, you know, and it's like so

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<v Speaker 3>rare to come across like people like you and I.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just want to tell you a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>about myself and like how like I perceive music and

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<v Speaker 3>art across Manchester and I like I'm Sulford based in Manchester,

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<v Speaker 3>if you know. And yeah, and I feel like my

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<v Speaker 3>music and my art, which expresses the message that I give,

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<v Speaker 3>it's currently like being like silenced by like the state

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<v Speaker 3>and like these people that just like, yeah, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>been silenced you surprisingly, yes, yes, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Because people use music and are to express if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not feeling good, to feel better, or if they want

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<v Speaker 1>to express something without writing it, you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like Norman would shout it from the rooftops, but you

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<v Speaker 1>do it in a in a musical way.

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<v Speaker 3>I would sing it from the rooftops. That's what. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you must like then you m in a way yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like just like meaningful, you know. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like I do as much like I think it's banks.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe not now because he has like a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>money he can put into things like that. But I

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<v Speaker 3>try and always get my message across, Like, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>obvious that I'm being silenced by the by the state,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's just it's just not good. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not what I want at all, you know. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to break free from that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tell it's a bit more because that sounds interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I am personally, I just want to like

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<v Speaker 3>organize like a protest, like peaceful protests against war and

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of personal things that I've come across,

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<v Speaker 3>like in modern day society, like technology and like the

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<v Speaker 3>addiction towards it, and then just like constant war which

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<v Speaker 3>is going on. I despise it. I despise it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah it's I mean, I'm not religious, but apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it's what the Bible sort of predicted in many sort

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<v Speaker 1>of religions and it's kind of oh on these what

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<v Speaker 1>they call them, these people who can predict things that

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<v Speaker 1>they predicted it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>Very spooky sometimes, but you know, sometimes it isn't because

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<v Speaker 1>if it's coming true, then what's wrong about that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, literally, something that comes to mind instantly is Babavanga.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard of her?

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I was thinking. I can't remember the name.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, she predicted years ago. She passed away a

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<v Speaker 3>long time ago. My mother always tells me about her,

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<v Speaker 3>but like, yeah, she predicted war in Europe last year,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's exactly what's happened, you know, it's like across

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<v Speaker 3>the world and yeah, and she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Even predicted the migrant crisis in their countries.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, agreed, we'll call it.

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<v Speaker 1>A crisis because it's out of control now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, Well, well, what I want to do personally,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to organize the world's largest protest. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to get loads of people with the similar thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>especially the youth, to come together and protest war and

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<v Speaker 3>all the negativity across the world. In the UK, especially

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<v Speaker 3>like where I'm raised, to go against this pain. Everyone

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<v Speaker 3>against pain. You know, the war of the past. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the past. It's people from the past bringing it

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<v Speaker 3>into our lives and we personally don't want to live

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<v Speaker 3>with that pain and suffering as everyone did. I understand

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<v Speaker 3>that it's a natural thing for humans to fight, but

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<v Speaker 3>there is bigger problems in the world, you know. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like and I don't want to be brought onto this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, as a young person myself, you know, neither

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<v Speaker 3>would you. Neither would anyone. You know. It's all to

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<v Speaker 3>do with money and capitalism, which I despise greatly.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be and I got there somehow. I

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<v Speaker 1>got there a little bit. I didn't get there a

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<v Speaker 1>big bit. I wanted to be like a Tommy Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>It's May sixteenth gathering, you know, uniting the Kingdom in London.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be good. I never get down there because

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<v Speaker 1>I live up in the Orkney Islands, but I always

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do that. So I started off. I children

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<v Speaker 1>got taken into the care system. It was unfair. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I don't like the judges ither and social workers.

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<v Speaker 1>So I decided to block the M twenty five motorway. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't like it. The day before we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. It's only about thirty of us. They decided

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<v Speaker 1>we can't suck that. That's free speech. So they decided

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<v Speaker 1>and it was quite funny they helped us block it.

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<v Speaker 1>You need sort of unique ideas that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>involve every community for every problem, and then you're on

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<v Speaker 1>a winner them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, well that's exactly what I want to achieve.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you for like almost inspiring me, because I

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<v Speaker 3>look up to the like the truth seekers, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like which we all are.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think your niche might be on in

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<v Speaker 1>student students because they love a little protest, They love art,

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<v Speaker 1>they love music, and they love getting a message out.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, you know, young people under thirty, especially

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<v Speaker 3>to older people that are very wise, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>You know Norman really because he was one of them

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<v Speaker 1>a different side to him, right enough. You know it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the media, but one to one. He would treat

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<v Speaker 1>You know he's not one of these. It would, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>shout and scream or that judge is that fing this?

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<v Speaker 1>And he would say why that judge was whatever he was,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would write emails. I mean in that respect

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<v Speaker 1>it'd been Alex Bellfield. It keeps writing emails to people

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<v Speaker 1>about problems. Yes, let that be our Norman. But Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be the most miscarriage of justice I've

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<v Speaker 1>you call it now criminal record for apparently having images

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<v Speaker 1>of children. He claims he was set up because he

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<v Speaker 1>with Yorkshire councils. And you know, most people believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there are some things in his story that you think, really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's a bit for our face, but in general,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was definitely not nuts. I definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he was gay or a Peterphile. You could probably

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<v Speaker 1>say he's a mix of Norman Scarf and Alex Bellfield

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<v Speaker 1>who just like to get that message out very very much.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did email about people and upset people. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he was also set up by someone

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<v Speaker 3>because they kept a list of everything in his house.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it's just a shame this happens to people,

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<v Speaker 3>especially someone like which isn't crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Imagine you're having I don't know the number now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say several hundred books and within thirty minutes it

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<v Speaker 1>may be less, maybe a little bit more. But they

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<v Speaker 1>found images or discs in these books. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have that sort of filth in your books,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to leave it so they can find

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<v Speaker 1>it quickly, are you? You're going to bury it somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>probably where you don't live, you know, underground somewhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's in you know, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, well, yeah, it's a tricky one, really, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a shame that he's been walked up now,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because we can't actually get the truth. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like that's why I'm thankful for you to put

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<v Speaker 3>me in contact with him, because I would love I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to send him a letter and get away.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate. Yeah, we do it by email the prisoner.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a lady that writes to him every week

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<v Speaker 1>or fortnite, sends him stuff. She makes well know you

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<v Speaker 1>and if you tell her your situation and how he

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<v Speaker 1>inspired you, how Norman did, because they know Norman as well,

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<v Speaker 1>this particular contact. So yeah, yeah, to do all that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure she'll have a write a letter. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you send her the letter and she'll print it and

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<v Speaker 1>post it or you you just get the prison number

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<v Speaker 1>off of her, yeah, and the address and yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Now I just want to talk about a bloke

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know him now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah he was. He was someone that I met a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago, and he met me and he

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<v Speaker 3>invited me to a location where it was. It took

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<v Speaker 3>a very very heavy tow on my life personally. It's

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<v Speaker 3>even hard for me to talk about it right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But he recruited me for the common purpose cause if

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<v Speaker 3>you're familiar with that, yeah, I love.

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<v Speaker 1>On purpose here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's horrible, horrible business, horrible just thinking about it, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And they took me to enclosed location in Manchester, and

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<v Speaker 3>I almost regret going there simply because it was just

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<v Speaker 3>horrible to see what I witnessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people like me and Norman would kind of know

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<v Speaker 1>it exists, but never really know anybody that's got close

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, well I did, you see, And it was

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<v Speaker 3>very eventful. I almost dream about it like often, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't even spend long there, but I uncovered

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. For example, I've got written it down in notes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a location in Manchester. It was very very

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<v Speaker 3>hidden that they had white covering over the building, not

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<v Speaker 3>a postchool, no address, very very hidden, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>and this building when I arrived, as I instructed to

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<v Speaker 3>by Ben Wax, it was very very very eventful, you see,

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<v Speaker 3>because I uncovered something almost like a cult meeting. It

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<v Speaker 3>was scary for me. You know. I got there and

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<v Speaker 3>people's identity were hidden, and it was just crazy to

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<v Speaker 3>see this what how do you call it? Purpose? Common

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<v Speaker 3>purpose had so much like deepness to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was gonna say, it sounds crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>even Freemasons they don't hide their faces, do they.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, well yeah, it's very very.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it'sn't common purpose a little bit like freemasony, but

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<v Speaker 1>in a worser sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is. And there's also like a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>connections with cams as well. I personally hate cams. I

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<v Speaker 3>was tried tried to recruit me when I was twenty

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<v Speaker 3>one where it was only for children and it was scary.

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<v Speaker 3>You see, there was a lot going on in that

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<v Speaker 3>building when Ben Wax took me there. It almost like

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<v Speaker 3>scarred my braininess. So like I'm sweating even talking about

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<v Speaker 3>it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Say it's traumatic, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>When you Yeah, like I said, like I still dream

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<v Speaker 3>about it as well, like the imagery in my had

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like I never even want to go back

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<v Speaker 3>to even that area. There was like teenage boys being

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<v Speaker 3>made to buy apples through bubble wrap, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>it seemed very very odd. It's almost seems like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>making it up, but it was. It was very, very

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<v Speaker 3>very odd.

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<v Speaker 1>I must say, if anybody that doesn't know what that means,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's supposed to be an organization dedicated to developing

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<v Speaker 1>leaders who can cross cultural institutionals, social boundaries, fostering collaboration

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle complex real world problems. Well, I can see

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<v Speaker 1>you the way why somebody young would want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that. The words don't sound good, don't they. But

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<v Speaker 1>eating that apple, well, yeah, I bet you. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to run there and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I did. I did, and I did not spend

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<v Speaker 3>longer there at all, not at all. They were actually

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<v Speaker 3>exposed for taking children from cams to do these things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's an illusion of corruption. I hate it all

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<v Speaker 3>wow mm hmm, And it definitely needs to be took down.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally, like will try my hardest to take it down.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like how the how they fund fund the wars

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<v Speaker 3>from the Council of the States that we live in.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the idea of it is horrible completely.

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<v Speaker 1>You've obviously heard of the UK column. Yes, yeah, try

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<v Speaker 1>and get in touch with Brian Brian Gerrish because you

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<v Speaker 1>know they're they're they're exposing well there was when I

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<v Speaker 1>was chatting to him twenty years ago. They love exposing

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<v Speaker 1>common purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that's what needs to happen again. Definitely, most

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<v Speaker 3>definitely I have a strong, strong hatred towards them. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no other option to keep them around. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like why why would we I feel like, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 3>especially with the protests and everything like that. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like if we get enough power, we could we could

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<v Speaker 3>happily expose them, take them down, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>will lead a brighter future for the youth. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about my children, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm only young and I'm twenty two years old, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's going to be leading the way.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think we've got a bigger problem though with

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<v Speaker 1>the wars. I mean you've got the pal Welldnians marching,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the British white people marching, You've got the

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<v Speaker 1>Muslims marching. I mean our country is really, really in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad state shambles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tommy Robertson's thinks obviously, if we get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>the boat people and sort out the cultural problem, we

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<v Speaker 1>should be all right. But I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a lot more than more than that to sort

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<v Speaker 1>it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's definitely like tangled up in the government and corruption.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like if someone solid with the mindset like

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<v Speaker 3>I was, like a truth seeker mindset that people that

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<v Speaker 3>want the truth to be relived, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>to be shown on towards everyone. Like maybe if someone

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<v Speaker 3>like that is in power, it may sort majority of

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we put Low, but we can only do

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I thought it was Nigel Farage, but now

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna make disabled people suffer and basically going to

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<v Speaker 1>get everybody off of benefits kick them all into jobs

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<v Speaker 1>that there isn't And yeah, I mean he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>good gob. I mean I'd have him any day over

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<v Speaker 1>Conservative Labor or lib Dems and Greens. But we need

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<v Speaker 1>to go. You know, it's a sad because him and

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<v Speaker 1>Rupert Low would have been brilliant together, but they fell

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<v Speaker 1>out over one of their egos.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, two strong egos put together, you know, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was like a recipe for disaster. That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the politics of it because you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a judges, it's a social workers. You now got

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<v Speaker 1>teachers raping kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, bloody, I see that in the news so often.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's just so scary. It's yeah, I agreed. Agree,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like everything's down downhill, you know, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>see much much progression with especially the UK right now.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, maybe like across Europe they have some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of progression, especially like with technology from Sweden, like they're

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<v Speaker 3>going back to like reading books and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very very like a positive for what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 3>but the UK is not.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm just sending you a link for later.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you. I'll look into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when I was a bit younger. I'm sixty hour,

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<v Speaker 1>but I started off in ninety two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, twenty years ago. Used to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with bulliant ideas and then the problem was getting

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<v Speaker 1>people to attend these events. You know what was the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to get in get shown in public.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, now I can understand that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like it's a massive hurdle to get over

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<v Speaker 3>because how do you get these people to do such

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<v Speaker 3>sort and like through me personally, I feel like art

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<v Speaker 3>and music is the way, you know, especially like through

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<v Speaker 3>industry as well. Like if you if you blow up,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to build from a cult following to a

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<v Speaker 3>larger following and there could be easily achieved through the Internet.

422
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<v Speaker 3>And it's what I hope to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the people, the people definitely listen. We need

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<v Speaker 1>the people in power to listen as well. But then

425
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<v Speaker 1>if the people are listening and they they send it

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, their MPs and the people that they know,

427
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you never know it better than standing on

428
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<v Speaker 1>the street corner.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

431
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<v Speaker 3>And like even in the UK, there's like a lot

432
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<v Speaker 3>of stabbings, like racially aggravated stabbings in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>All of it is just like compiling together, and you

435
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<v Speaker 3>know it like it only really benefits the news because

436
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.480
<v Speaker 3>they're getting content out of this, and it's also inspiring

437
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.119
<v Speaker 3>other people, Like I don't know whether you've seen in

438
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<v Speaker 3>the news. Also how the terrorist threats in the UK

439
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.400
<v Speaker 3>are like tow all high you see that. It's a

440
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<v Speaker 3>shame because yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because of the Iran war that Trump started that,

442
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I kind of believe you needed to

443
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<v Speaker 1>start it, because what would you do you have a

444
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>black somebody's eyes, that's what he's done with a van,

445
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 1>or you then murder you. So I mean it's one

446
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<v Speaker 1>of them, isn't it. And Star Mobil should he have

447
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<v Speaker 1>supported him, probably should have supported him in principle, even

448
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<v Speaker 1>if he didn't, you know, necessarily send too many things

449
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<v Speaker 1>to help. You know, it's because of that there's a

450
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<v Speaker 1>lot of more problems happening. I think. Ye now Trum

451
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<v Speaker 1>wants to leave the United Nations, which was always strong together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, well it's very very deep. Personally, I do

453
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<v Speaker 3>not like Starma at all. I feel like he's just

454
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<v Speaker 3>a liar. Yeah, definitely. It's like he just gives an

455
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<v Speaker 3>illusion of power. You know, I said it from the beginning.

456
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<v Speaker 3>I remember he got voted in. I said I don't

457
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<v Speaker 3>like him. I don't like him when my friends said why,

458
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<v Speaker 3>and it's like I can just tell the words that

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<v Speaker 3>he uses. It's all just written down, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>from someone else, and he just has to say that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hated Maggie Factor when I was younger, but when

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<v Speaker 1>I got older, you know, she may have been a

463
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<v Speaker 1>bit of a tough woman, which was tough for a reason,

464
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<v Speaker 1>and and and you know it worked. Whatever she said worked.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the Conservatives, but she was all right

466
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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. But labor, now, there's not been one good

467
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<v Speaker 1>labor or.

468
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<v Speaker 3>At all. I would I would love to get myself

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<v Speaker 3>involved in that particular, like like the government and the parliament.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like my word will be like very like

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<v Speaker 3>heard speak about the right things at the right time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I saw. I want to do it now,

473
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<v Speaker 3>but I feel like I'm too young, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I'm talking to you, and I want I

475
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<v Speaker 3>want to get heard, and I want to talk to Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about Norman as well, because they're

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<v Speaker 3>the people that mean things to me that make me

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<v Speaker 3>want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter knows Norman's history inside out, back to front. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>probably say well the tap that Asandia, thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>she knows. And there's more contacts if needed. I just

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<v Speaker 1>got as their permission, but I'm sure this first contact

483
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>will be okay, we're writing to Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, thank you so much for that. I appreciated

485
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<v Speaker 3>everything that Norman did. I'm also like I'm into fashion

486
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 3>and everything like that, so like even the clothes that

487
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 3>you wore, you know, I try and recreate and like, yeah,

488
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<v Speaker 3>it's just really really interesting for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us, you know, whoever you write to on an

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<v Speaker 1>email all about that, because you know, that's genuine interest

491
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<v Speaker 1>in somebody. I just want to. I just wanted how

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<v Speaker 1>it was when I was younger, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking in the eighties, but the courts were

494
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<v Speaker 1>telling the truth. We did have a crazy iron woman

495
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<v Speaker 1>leading but hey ho, you know, looking back, she was

496
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<v Speaker 1>better than anything. Since you know, you go on the

497
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<v Speaker 1>street and see children playing in the parks, you'd see

498
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 1>your Muslim friends running with the white kids, you know,

499
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>having a joke. That is what we you know, miss

500
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<v Speaker 1>and what we need. You know, since these small boats

501
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 1>came in, it's now a religious racial war within the

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<v Speaker 1>UK because all these Jews are getting attacked. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's their fault what's going on, but

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00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>they're getting the blame of it or threatened. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know traditionally, when I was younger, I was told

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<v Speaker 1>not to like associate with Jews. But then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't go near a criminal, you know, if I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like if it was a criminal. So what's what

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<v Speaker 1>I say is I wouldn't associate with them. Let them

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<v Speaker 1>do what they want, and I just why wan, I'm

511
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<v Speaker 1>not going to bother about harming them or even having

512
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<v Speaker 1>a negative thought about them. They want to live in

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<v Speaker 1>as their problem. I've got to live here as my problem. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a it's like a spiritual war between like

515
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<v Speaker 3>good and evil that we're in right now. You know,

516
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<v Speaker 3>it's like it is not like it on was.

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<v Speaker 1>See when this well, I mean and there is a

518
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<v Speaker 1>word for it, but when the the mess hits the fan, Uh,

519
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, some head's going to roll over this. Lucy,

520
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 1>let me the bargle. As soon as I saw her face,

521
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that was it. She never done that, And and then

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<v Speaker 1>you hear it over and over again in the media

523
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and you think, are you going to doubt yourself? No,

524
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>she definitely didn't do that, because you're going to got

525
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 1>a look at I think you can tell if someone's

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal by looking at their photos. This is where.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, definitely, I will completely agree. It's actually just

528
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<v Speaker 3>inspired me to do that.

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00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was not cold. She was definitely traumatized. Yeah,

530
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you can see that in her eyes.

531
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

532
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<v Speaker 1>But before that, when she was a normal person and

533
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<v Speaker 1>she was going to the pub with her colleagues, she

534
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 1>looked like a normal person of that age. You can

535
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<v Speaker 1>actually tell if someone's a mad person. Because my friend

536
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 1>is an author in Cannonda, also knows Peter and he

537
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<v Speaker 1>knows normal used to know Norman. His name is. I've

538
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<v Speaker 1>just done a show with him. Author Timothy Spearman, and

539
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<v Speaker 1>he wrote a piece because he's been a next teacher

540
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<v Speaker 1>called Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? And it

541
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>basically shows how to spark a psychopath.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I have read a couple of books on

543
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 3>that or articles online. Maybe not books, but things on that.

544
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 3>I've had to spot a psychopath. And yeah, it's crazy

545
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 3>that people think that Peter is psychopath when he is

546
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:23.039
<v Speaker 3>completely not. But Keith Not told me that Lucy let

547
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 3>be love kids, she just hated all evil. Yeah, it's crazy.

548
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 3>But going back to the good and the evil, like

549
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 3>it's all it's all very spiritual in the world. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I think it works imperfectly, like with

551
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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen sixties movement of like psychedelics, like and like

552
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 3>peace and love. You know, it's like it's all just

553
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.559
<v Speaker 3>between good and evil and the world is currently corrupted

554
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.920
<v Speaker 3>horribly and like growing up in it is, like I

555
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.079
<v Speaker 3>hate it so much, So you know, what what can

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<v Speaker 3>we do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, we've got two minutes left on this segment.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be a what you call it? That might

559
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<v Speaker 1>be a question for the next show if you want,

560
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just email me, give me some ideas. I'll

561
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 1>do some research and what can we do about it? Easy?

562
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<v Speaker 1>Raise awareness, I can do a Norman. You can do

563
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<v Speaker 1>it well your music, and you are brilliant with websit.

564
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<v Speaker 1>That's why I intend to do I'm brilliant. Well, I'm

565
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.199
<v Speaker 1>not brilliant with websites, but I make websites. I can

566
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.599
<v Speaker 1>promote them brilliantly. I've just self taught myself out to

567
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 1>do that. I can't write very well, but I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think though, if you're going to go to war,

570
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<v Speaker 1>even if it is war peace, you need good battle

571
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.239
<v Speaker 1>people in the battlefront. So I can be the person

572
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 1>who brings people together. You can be the person who

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<v Speaker 1>cheers them up through art and music. We'll get somebody

574
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.159
<v Speaker 1>else to do something else, and yeah, together we must.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's needed, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I wish everyone could wish me good luck,

577
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, in this fight between good and evil, because

578
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.760
<v Speaker 3>I really want to have my impact in the world

579
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 3>just before we end it here. But yeah, I just

580
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 3>wish everyone helped me. Look, wish me looked towards the

581
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 3>future of changing the world and the UK that we

582
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 3>live in right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And Max, I'd love your comments at the bottom and

584
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>he'll probably read and reply to every one of them.

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00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I put this on the YouTube channel and thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see how it goes. And if you want to

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00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 1>come back another time will free you know, just let

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00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>us know and we'll do episode one and until you're

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<v Speaker 1>bored with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you, but it might take me a while,

591
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.039
<v Speaker 3>but there's a lot to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Really is
