Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is
Speaker 1: not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2: There when he was killed. No, sir, I was not
Speaker 2: at his house when that man was murdered. Sir I, kid,
Speaker 2: this is the kind of shit that gets people in drulled.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know, hello and welcome this Sword
Speaker 1: and Scale Episode three, twenty eight Let's Go. Forty three
Speaker 1: year old Brad McGarry and thirty year old David Kinney
Speaker 1: were friends for years. They met while working at a
Speaker 1: local coal mine in the small town of Ohio called
Speaker 1: bel Air. Sounds nice, right. Don't get ahead of yourself, though,
Speaker 1: This is Ohio. Belair sits along the Ohio River and
Speaker 1: borders West Virginia. Another stunning location filled with PhDs. It's
Speaker 1: a place built on hard work, traditional values and coal. Yeah, coal,
Speaker 1: the thing that's probably powering your iPhone for generations. The
Speaker 1: mines and the coal in it shaped everything in bel Air.
Speaker 1: Those minds offered steady work for anyone willing to face
Speaker 1: the challenges of being underground all day long. It's dangerous work,
Speaker 1: probably worth every penny and then some. But by twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: these jobs were disappearing, mines were shutting down, and operations
Speaker 1: were scaled back. Work became harder to find and harder
Speaker 1: to keep. For men like Brad McGarry and David Kinney,
Speaker 1: getting and keeping a job in the mines made them
Speaker 1: feel lucky. This is Detective Ryan Aller of Belmont County.
Speaker 3: Blair is one of our bigger municipalities in Belmont County.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's a high crime rate, but compared
Speaker 3: to other parts of the county, there's a good bit
Speaker 3: of drug activity down there. There's bit homicides in Blair before,
Speaker 3: but it's been quite some time, so a case like
Speaker 3: this is very shocking to our community.
Speaker 1: Brad McGary wasn't just a friend to David. He was
Speaker 1: a family friend, sharing holidays, family dinners and afternoons at
Speaker 1: each other's homes. To David's kids, Brad was known as
Speaker 1: Uncle Brad because they loved and trusted him. Brad was single,
Speaker 1: so he appreciated the opportunity to feel part of a
Speaker 1: full blown family, and both David and his wife Sherry
Speaker 1: were happy to have Uncle Brad. Cherry felt almost like
Speaker 1: she had two responsible men in her life. She was
Speaker 1: a young, single mom. When she and David met, David
Speaker 1: was young too, but in no time they married and
Speaker 1: he became a father to her three kids. By twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: they'd been together for ten years, and Brad had been
Speaker 1: part of the family picture for about six years. On
Speaker 1: May seventh, twenty seventeen, David Sherry and their thirteen year
Speaker 1: old daughter drove half an hour from their town of
Speaker 1: Brilliant to Brad's bel Air home, a nineteen fifties ranch
Speaker 1: sitting almost at the end of a residential, dead end street.
Speaker 1: They were stopping by to give Brad a weed trimmer.
Speaker 1: It was a small gift to repay for some things
Speaker 1: he'd done for them. Brad was like that, he was
Speaker 1: really helpful, good friend. Those are hard to come by.
Speaker 1: So they pull into the driveway, the gravel crunching under
Speaker 1: the truck's tires. It's a typical quiet Sunday afternoon. Cherry
Speaker 1: shifts in her seat and takes her seat belt off
Speaker 1: while David exits the truck. As they're doing this, they
Speaker 1: immediately notice that the kitchen door is open, just slightly.
Speaker 1: But it's not normal. It's not like Brad to just
Speaker 1: leave it open like that. David scrunches his face, squinting
Speaker 1: towards the house. But their thirteen year old daughter is
Speaker 1: excited to see uncle Brad, so she darts from the truck.
Speaker 1: Stay here, said automatically, but the girl's already halfway to
Speaker 1: the porch, where she waits but peers inside. Meanwhile, David
Speaker 1: starts calling Brad because he's afraid something is off. Brad's
Speaker 1: phone rings unanswered. Cherry watches David try again, holding his
Speaker 1: phone up and listening to empty ringing on the other end.
Speaker 1: She follows her daughter up the steps, and her adrenaline
Speaker 1: is pumping. The door swings inward with a soft creak
Speaker 1: under her hand. Inside she sees chaos, yanked open drawers
Speaker 1: and gaping cabinets. Papers and belongings were scattered like someone
Speaker 1: at ransacked the place in a hurry. At that point,
Speaker 1: Sherry is scared and reaches for David's arm. Go get
Speaker 1: your gun, she whispers. David doesn't argue. He turns back
Speaker 1: towards a truck moving fast but controlled. Cherry stands frozen
Speaker 1: in the doorway, one arm thrown out to hold her
Speaker 1: daughter back. Her daughter looks at her in sheer terror.
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 2: Mom?
Speaker 1: David comes back with his firearm at his side. His
Speaker 1: face is tight and pale. She's not used to seeing
Speaker 1: her tall, rugged husband in this state. He tells her
Speaker 1: to stay there, he's going inside the check. Sherry doesn't move,
Speaker 1: gripping her daughter's shoulders. She wants to run out, but
Speaker 1: she can't make herself move. She's frozen like a rabbit
Speaker 1: in headlights. David's footsteps creak on the basement stairs. A
Speaker 1: second passes, then another, then suddenly she hears his panicked
Speaker 1: voice from the basement call mine.
Speaker 4: When one he shouts, they hear.
Speaker 5: What's the road? What's the county?
Speaker 4: Nine?
Speaker 5: One one? Where is your emergency?
Speaker 4: We want an emergency.
Speaker 5: I don't know what's this? Stay there? Where are you at?
Speaker 5: We we's Blaire?
Speaker 4: I don't even know the road right next to persy
Speaker 4: to come all the way back and up the hill.
Speaker 5: Okay, what's going on? I don't even know. You don't
Speaker 5: know what's going on?
Speaker 4: Whercies?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what work ma'am, ma'am? Or what's vlaire?
Speaker 4: We came into my husband's friend and his back door
Speaker 4: was cracked open. He wasn't into the face, so we
Speaker 4: came in the house, he's in his basement.
Speaker 1: The dispatcher tries to make sense of what's unfolding on
Speaker 1: Wagner Avenue, but Sherry is struggling to process it herself.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, calm down. Did you say he's dead? Okay, okay, ma'am.
Speaker 5: Does it look like something happened to him? Does it
Speaker 5: look like you fowl? He's all over on the.
Speaker 4: Floors, one everywhere?
Speaker 5: Okay. What is your name? My name is Sarry Kenny,
Speaker 5: Sherry Kenney.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's facts.
Speaker 5: Okay, husband looked.
Speaker 4: In Okay, now it's still play from the kitchen.
Speaker 5: Okay, Sherry, I need you, I need you to catify
Speaker 5: me an address.
Speaker 4: Can you do that?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Cool?
Speaker 4: Even though it's like that's the Pervis market? Well, what's
Speaker 4: an address on a house?
Speaker 1: The questions keep coming from the operator, but the whole
Speaker 1: scene is disorienting for Sherry. She's still trying to make
Speaker 1: sense of the chaos around her when the most critical
Speaker 1: question of all waits in the background. Is he dead?
Speaker 5: Oh? I thought he's just playing there. Okay, listen to me. Okay,
Speaker 5: does the back door look like it was four? So
Speaker 5: there's his kitchen door? Does it look like it was
Speaker 5: just was it cracked open? It wasn't force open.
Speaker 7: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5: Go in here, okay, it was just cracked. I don't
Speaker 5: know if it was fourth entry. Mary, Oh, I'm Mary, Sherry.
Speaker 4: Any breathing?
Speaker 5: Is he breathing?
Speaker 4: I don't think he's breathing.
Speaker 1: It was looking like they were too late and Brad
Speaker 1: was indeed dead. But how did this happen? Did he
Speaker 1: fall down the stairs or was there a struggle?
Speaker 4: What is his name?
Speaker 5: Brad McGary? Brad McGary?
Speaker 4: Oh, Nora McGary.
Speaker 5: Okay is that your husband? My lessons? Freaking out?
Speaker 8: Yea sister?
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right? Oh yes, oh my god?
Speaker 4: Run wound in the back of his head.
Speaker 5: He has a gunshot wound. Okay, scary sharing grow up, Sherry, Oh, Sherry,
Speaker 5: I need you to calm down. Is there a gun
Speaker 5: near him? Okay? Ask your husband if he saw a
Speaker 5: gun lying on the floor. No, do see one. You
Speaker 5: don't see a gun. No, I don't see a gun. Okay,
Speaker 5: all right. I need you guys listen. I need you
Speaker 5: and your husband to back out of the residence and
Speaker 5: wait outside for the officers.
Speaker 2: Do you hear me?
Speaker 9: All right?
Speaker 5: Okay, stay outside. You both of them need to go
Speaker 5: wait outside, we're outside. Okay.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of unanswered questions. Apparently Brad knew
Speaker 1: they were going to stop by, and David's spoke with
Speaker 1: him on that very day, but then he didn't answer
Speaker 1: his phone, so the Kinneys were already on alert. Brad
Speaker 1: was good at communicating, and it just wasn't like him
Speaker 1: to ignore calls.
Speaker 5: Okay, I know you're upset, and I know this. This
Speaker 5: is a horrible, horrible thing. Okay, I need to try
Speaker 5: to calm down for me. Okay, Now, when was the
Speaker 5: last time you guys spoke with him? When was the
Speaker 5: last time you guys spoke with him? It was the
Speaker 5: last time he talked to him, DJ.
Speaker 4: She talked him earlier.
Speaker 5: She went to a wedding over the weekend. He was
Speaker 5: wanted lead up from his mom. He talked to him,
Speaker 5: didn't care. That was today, Yeah, I was very weird
Speaker 5: today and he told him that we would be coming
Speaker 5: down and he.
Speaker 4: Could just cook down whenever.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, do you remember what time earlier today
Speaker 5: you spoke with him? What time was that he talked
Speaker 5: Do you remember it's on your instead of you on
Speaker 5: his cell phone?
Speaker 10: Okay, all I.
Speaker 5: Know is we uh, well, that's my husband and he
Speaker 5: has his kids.
Speaker 4: Still curious of you, do you have your gun just
Speaker 4: because Brad wasn't answered his phone and isn't Kay was
Speaker 4: yelling and.
Speaker 5: He wasn't saying anything. Then he went to his truck.
Speaker 4: He got his not is just the case, you know,
Speaker 4: because he was scared of himself, as it's not like Brad.
Speaker 5: Want to answer his tone. Okay, and then oh gosh,
Speaker 5: do your husband still have his gun out her first
Speaker 5: on his side?
Speaker 4: He has still carry just you know, carries a reflection
Speaker 4: for her being a meaning that he wasn't answer and
Speaker 4: the door was cracked open. We you know he got
Speaker 4: it because he was scared of himself.
Speaker 1: Remember, kids, if you're ever at a crime scene and
Speaker 1: you have a gun on you, let the nine one
Speaker 1: one operator no, for the safety of everyone.
Speaker 5: Okay, the officer is out there. Okay, yeah, make sure
Speaker 5: you tell the officer that your husband has a gun
Speaker 5: on his side. Okay, just sorry, Okay, so we'll let
Speaker 5: you know he hasn't a gun he'll carry but all right, thanks, okay,
Speaker 5: my walk with the officer. Okay.
Speaker 1: As first responders secured the scene, The question wasn't how
Speaker 1: Brad McGarry died, it was who would want him dead.
Speaker 1: In May of twenty seventeen, Brad McGarry, a resident in
Speaker 1: the quiet town of Balero, Ohio, was found dead in
Speaker 1: the basement of his home, faced down, surrounded by blood,
Speaker 1: with what appeared to be a gunshot wound to his head.
Speaker 3: Money's Ryan Aller, the chief of Investigations of the Belmont
Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Office. I've been with the Sheriff's Office since
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six. I've been a detective since two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and five.
Speaker 3: You know, Brad was Brad was a coal miner. He
Speaker 3: had a couple other careers. He seemed to be be
Speaker 3: happy with that job. He was very well liked by
Speaker 3: his friends and family. They say that he had a
Speaker 3: very outgoing personality, kind of lit up in a room
Speaker 3: he walked into, loved being the center of attention. Nobody
Speaker 3: I talked to, Not a single soul had a sim
Speaker 3: little bad thing to say about him, which I can't
Speaker 3: always say about the victims that we have. One of
Speaker 3: the things any good detective will do is they try
Speaker 3: to get to know their victims, even if they're deceased,
Speaker 3: and that's that's one of the most important things to do.
Speaker 3: Try to get inside the head of your victim, try.
Speaker 2: To know them.
Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes you don't really like your victims.
Speaker 3: Know they're not the best people in the world. But
Speaker 3: you know, I think I would have liked Brad.
Speaker 1: It was his friend David Kinney and his wife Sherry
Speaker 1: who made the discovery. As detectives started to dig deeper,
Speaker 1: they uncovered parts of Brad's life that no one had
Speaker 1: talked about and people who might have wanted him gone.
Speaker 1: One of the first leads that came in was from
Speaker 1: a local cab driver. He told police that a woman
Speaker 1: he knew named Courtney had asked him for a ride
Speaker 1: to Wagner Avenue. Her plan, she said, was to rob
Speaker 1: a man she claimed had contacted her through a Craigslist
Speaker 1: modeling ad. According to this guy, the man was going
Speaker 1: to give her five hundred dollars for nude pictures of her,
Speaker 1: but the deal changed when he added that he'd like
Speaker 1: to see the pictures of her three year old child
Speaker 1: as well. Courtney saved his number in her phone under
Speaker 1: the name Baby Raper. She told the cab driver the
Speaker 1: man was sick and that he deserved whatever was coming.
Speaker 1: It was the kind of lead investigators just couldn't ignore.
Speaker 1: But when they interviewed her further, Courtney said she didn't
Speaker 1: go through with it. The cab driver said he refused
Speaker 1: a drive her because he'd been drinking that night. She
Speaker 1: said she deleted the messages, but she gave the police
Speaker 1: the man's phone number, and when they traced the number,
Speaker 1: it led them right back to bel Air, close enough
Speaker 1: that police had to wonder was Bradan Gary living a
Speaker 1: life no one knew about, was he indeed the baby
Speaker 1: raper on her phone? Or were they just chasing the
Speaker 1: wrong lead entirely. Detectives started digging and discovered that Brad
Speaker 1: would probably be the last person who would ask for
Speaker 1: naked pictures. Courtney's story fell apart. Two phone numbers didn't match,
Speaker 1: she gave the wrong street, and she was just kind
Speaker 1: of a sketchy witness all around. With that lead fading fast,
Speaker 1: detectives turned to the people who knew Brad best, starting
Speaker 1: with Brad and Sherry. When was the last time they
Speaker 1: saw Brad? Well, it was just a day before a Saturday.
Speaker 2: What did you guys do any good at there?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 11: Brad made pizza who we all had some pizza, went
Speaker 11: down in the basement, was talking about the two spare
Speaker 11: rooms in the back.
Speaker 2: He was playing on.
Speaker 11: We tore all the drywall the one room, filed a
Speaker 11: bunch of stuff up there there, and we were talking
Speaker 11: about how to dry locket and you know, start getting
Speaker 11: stuff done. Because he had a company, he wanted to
Speaker 11: come in to put rug down and stuff. And I'm
Speaker 11: out down there and he asked about that. Come upstairs,
Speaker 11: played with the dogs.
Speaker 2: You know, my son and I just we just hung
Speaker 2: me out, the normal thing you can do at your
Speaker 2: buddy's house. You should hang out there a lot. He
Speaker 2: goes with me. What's he doing while you're there?
Speaker 11: He usually just hangs out with us. Okay, I got
Speaker 11: a house full of girls. He's the only boys, so
Speaker 11: a lot of times it's Adad can.
Speaker 2: I go U.
Speaker 1: That was Saturday, May sixth. They hung out and then
Speaker 1: Brad took off for a wedding that evening. When it
Speaker 1: was over, he stayed with his family overnight and he
Speaker 1: called David just to check in.
Speaker 11: He called me when he got back to his mom's
Speaker 11: house and we just he asked about the wedding, and
Speaker 11: then he called me the next day.
Speaker 2: Did he stay in his mom's house, yes, yes, or
Speaker 2: his grandmom's or his grandmother's house. I'm not sure which
Speaker 2: house he stayed at. Now we're a Sunday right, Yes.
Speaker 1: On Sunday, the day of Brad's murder, Brad was excited
Speaker 1: to get home. The Kennies had told him they'd be
Speaker 1: bringing him a gift.
Speaker 2: So that was out running around.
Speaker 11: Me and my wife did our normal Sunday thing throughout
Speaker 11: the day and had lunch. He texted me again, hey
Speaker 11: or hello. I texted hey, he said, don't creat my surprise.
Speaker 11: I said, we'll be bringing it out.
Speaker 2: When was that probably? Well, he texted me.
Speaker 11: I would say it was probably on some one something,
Speaker 11: and I didn't get right back to him right away.
Speaker 11: I think by the time I actually got back and
Speaker 11: texted him back, it was like three o'clock wherever three
Speaker 11: or something like that. I told him we'll be bringing
Speaker 11: it out. I told him, you know, stalk by drive
Speaker 11: by earlier. I wents home, call me whenever you get home,
Speaker 11: and we'll come out.
Speaker 2: Where were eating away fat Sunday afternoon Chinese rest, get
Speaker 2: some lunch after young out at the house. What change
Speaker 2: your instrument. You guys close the Studentville. Yeah, I'll try
Speaker 2: to get the geography. Yes, like I said, fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: a well, but just doing once we're like fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: out to Studentville.
Speaker 1: She and David had breakfast with the kids, then ran
Speaker 1: a quick errand to stop and pick up hair dye
Speaker 1: at Sally's Beauty in Steubenville. Stupen am, I saying that right,
Speaker 1: who cares? It's Ohio. Anyway. They came home and shortly
Speaker 1: after David said he had to go help a friend
Speaker 1: whose car had broken down, and he wanted to stop
Speaker 1: by Rural King, a farm supply store, just to look around.
Speaker 1: Then David brought up the weed trimmer.
Speaker 2: And then I talked to a friend of mine.
Speaker 11: And then I went and I went and was gonna
Speaker 11: go a Rural King, look at some trailers, get a truck.
Speaker 2: I did a little bit of running. Did you go there? Yeah? Did,
Speaker 2: as did my run. And I wanted to do see
Speaker 2: you drove from your home and brilliant to Rule King.
Speaker 2: Guess there's your wife with you? No, sir, okay. And
Speaker 2: this was probably about one maybe nott quarter till two okay,
Speaker 2: and left see back home by you went back to Brilliant.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was back home. I think it was like three.
Speaker 11: I was back home about three o'clock.
Speaker 1: When David got back home, his wife was dyeing her hair.
Speaker 1: They decided to drive back over to Brad's, thinking he'd
Speaker 1: be home from the wedding by then. His daughter wanted
Speaker 1: to go with them because Brad's dog had a litter
Speaker 1: of puppies if she hadn't seen, and Cherry wanted Brad
Speaker 1: to see her new hair color. Why you ask, would
Speaker 1: a male family friend be interested in her hair?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Well, that's easy. You see, despite the fact that he
Speaker 1: now worked in a mine, he had a job before that,
Speaker 1: he was a hairdresser. And yes, Brad was gay. Since
Speaker 1: the Kinneys knew this and the detective was asking about
Speaker 1: Brad's relationships, David had this to say, I can't.
Speaker 2: Tell you of one person I know that Brad would
Speaker 2: call on a basis to who said.
Speaker 4: Uh uh.
Speaker 12: Uh, Richard, Richie, like a fuck buddy or a boyfriend.
Speaker 10: I think it was more along the lines of just
Speaker 10: a fucking buddy, okay, and that's who he was with recently.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's with him recently. I just
Speaker 2: know that they would. Brad would call him what he
Speaker 2: wanted him to come over? Were you over there when
Speaker 2: he came over? I think I was there once when
Speaker 2: he came by.
Speaker 6: It what he looked like, uh, medium, highs athletic note,
Speaker 6: some tattoos.
Speaker 1: And then there was a young guy named Scotty. Friends
Speaker 1: and family described Scotty as Brad's X, someone he was
Speaker 1: involved with not long before the murder. According to them,
Speaker 1: it didn't end well. Scotty had a drug problem and
Speaker 1: legal issues and Brad didn't need that in his life.
Speaker 1: Scotty wasn't happy when they broke up and even made
Speaker 1: some veiled threats. It looked like detectives might have found
Speaker 1: their suspect, but when they tracked Scotty down, he was
Speaker 1: already in jail, locked up for a probation violation, and
Speaker 1: that's where he was for the whole weekend of murder.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to Brad, it wasn't Scottie. The more detectives
Speaker 1: questioned David, the more they found out about Brad and
Speaker 1: his relationships. Investigators had already spoken with Brad's friends and family,
Speaker 1: and they all hinted at yet another romantic involvement. Someone
Speaker 1: Brad talked incessantly about during the weekend of the wedding,
Speaker 1: But David didn't seem to be aware of this person,
Speaker 1: or at least he didn't let on that he knew.
Speaker 2: How long have you known Brad?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 2: My eight years?
Speaker 5: My daughter was.
Speaker 2: Two when we first met. Where'd you mean, Brad? Coal
Speaker 2: mining classes? We carpooled. Would you say you were his
Speaker 2: best friend? Yes? Or you got real close with our families,
Speaker 2: got real close. We did days and gatherings and everything together.
Speaker 2: Your wife too. You can't remember for like what Christmas
Speaker 2: until Christmas? Thanksgiving? He certainly did the same with him.
Speaker 2: What's your kids going, uncle, Brad?
Speaker 1: This was a breaking point for David. His kids called
Speaker 1: Brad uncle. He was part of the family, and he
Speaker 1: was David's best friend. The numbness was wearing off for
Speaker 1: David now, and the realization was setting in that Brad
Speaker 1: was gone forever.
Speaker 2: Whatever it okay, I've just been trying to okay, all right,
Speaker 2: take some deep breath.
Speaker 1: The detective and obviously people cry before, but it seemed
Speaker 1: like David had been holding a whole lot of tears
Speaker 1: back for some reason. He was a big lumberjack looking
Speaker 1: guy at least six feet tall, but in the police station,
Speaker 1: he was reduced to the sobs of a child over
Speaker 1: the loss of his best friend.
Speaker 2: Guys are pretty close for you.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir?
Speaker 6: What uh?
Speaker 2: How close?
Speaker 4: Who are you?
Speaker 2: And Brad? Very close? How close? Who are you? Guys?
Speaker 2: We're very close. I'm very best friend.
Speaker 1: Have you ever lost a best friend? I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: really hard, but being best friends with someone and being
Speaker 1: really close to them are two kind of very different things.
Speaker 2: David, you should be here's your stuff on your fence?
Speaker 2: Little questionable? Yes, kind of sounds like you and Brad
Speaker 2: were boyfriend boyfriend? Oh no, sir, remember boyfriend and boyfriend.
Speaker 2: It was kind of shocked us. You guys have sex together.
Speaker 11: There's a few times in the past where you know,
Speaker 11: he's attempted a lot, and we've kind of moved around
Speaker 11: a little bit in the past.
Speaker 1: But was it okay? David was married with kids, a wife,
Speaker 1: and a life built around routine and appearances. Brad was
Speaker 1: his best friend. According to detectives, that part didn't matter.
Speaker 1: This wasn't about judgment, It was about honesty.
Speaker 2: He being one of the ball.
Speaker 13: This is.
Speaker 2: Between us. Yes, there's some stuff on your thing. Anybody
Speaker 2: know about you guys?
Speaker 11: Uh, my wife doesn't that food around for I mean
Speaker 11: that was When was the last time he gets food around?
Speaker 2: It's been a while, it hasn't been recently. I know
Speaker 2: what's on your phone? The guy the video he took
Speaker 2: the guys have his SAgs? Is that Brad you or video?
Speaker 2: I'm the the machinery uses.
Speaker 11: Sir, I understand he brings all to the devices instead
Speaker 11: of the suck a whole food out there stuff he deleted.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I understand. So texting messages too, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 1: The text messages paint a picture of a whole lot
Speaker 1: more than friendship. Put it that way, it was a
Speaker 1: very deep, deep friendship, if you catch my drift. They
Speaker 1: were fucking basically. Not only did David try to minimize
Speaker 1: the activities and their relationship, but he also denied that
Speaker 1: these activities were sex.
Speaker 2: When's the last time you had sex with him? We
Speaker 2: never had sex. We would just cool around, movie to
Speaker 2: there's like sung each other, hul jerk and jerky. What
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't you know? I didn't. I never
Speaker 2: had a bad look job. It's are you ashamed about?
Speaker 2: Are you ashamed about?
Speaker 6: It, But what.
Speaker 2: Does it do? What does it know? Was was bradon
Speaker 2: love what you? David? I couldn't tell you that he
Speaker 2: was in love with you.
Speaker 11: I mean we did the whole all right, but love me,
Speaker 11: I love you too, kind of thing like you could
Speaker 11: ask my son when we left Saturday.
Speaker 1: So they told each other casually, love you, Bud. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but maybe that's what bros do in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: I'm really not sure. I'm really too old for that.
Speaker 1: But all the other stuff I'll tell you right now,
Speaker 1: that's not something bros too. Pretty sure, pretty sure about
Speaker 1: that one. The next question the detective asked was even
Speaker 1: more personal and would be an essential part of the investigation.
Speaker 2: He said, us can him in his trash can?
Speaker 8: That's going to laugh, Hey said, I don't feel in
Speaker 8: your DNA's going to be on that condom all this?
Speaker 2: So sure, yes, sir, never so.
Speaker 1: Brad and David may have been fooling around, to put
Speaker 1: it lightly, but DNA analysis confirmed he was telling the truth.
Speaker 1: The contents of the condoms were someone else's, maybe Richie,
Speaker 1: a guy Brad would call sometimes for company, And it
Speaker 1: wasn't like Brad was slotting around in fact, he didn't
Speaker 1: want another boyfriend. He wanted David, but David asked him
Speaker 1: to find boyfriends from time to time, almost like decoys,
Speaker 1: to keep people from knowing about the two of them.
Speaker 1: So the police would check into this Richie lead and
Speaker 1: anyone else who might have been there recently. But for now,
Speaker 1: the detectives would squeeze as much as they could out
Speaker 1: of David.
Speaker 2: How many times, for how long it was oftome home?
Speaker 2: For a long time. It was just kind of like
Speaker 2: a do you hear tell you had feelings for you?
Speaker 11: It was a while back he came out and you
Speaker 11: know it was me and my wife births, Me and
Speaker 11: my wife he come out to.
Speaker 2: At one point in time, I did have feelings where
Speaker 2: they said, I understand that you're marrying your kids. And
Speaker 2: my wife was part of that whole Does she does
Speaker 2: she know? You guys ever did anything together? What was
Speaker 2: the last time you guys didn't do anything together? Oh,
Speaker 2: it's been a little while.
Speaker 1: When asked to clarify, it turns out that a little
Speaker 1: means a few weeks, if you believe them, that is.
Speaker 1: And when asked the burning question, David said that one
Speaker 1: thing was off limits at least that's what he said.
Speaker 1: Then again, he lied a lot to his wife and kid,
Speaker 1: to everyone.
Speaker 2: Actually never had any that the one thing that was
Speaker 2: kind of big. He tried to get me an eye,
Speaker 2: totally want to. He tried to, yesked to do him
Speaker 2: in the butt. He just asked me to.
Speaker 9: To have sex.
Speaker 2: You that point. No, never, sir, okay, Well, so you
Speaker 2: sure it's not your DNA on that cold sir? I
Speaker 2: mean you didn't realize that it is or it isn't.
Speaker 1: The detective was good at making David relax, probably not
Speaker 1: as good as Brad was, but I digress. He needed
Speaker 1: all the information to get to the bottom of what
Speaker 1: was becoming a mystery. No detail was untouchable, as personal
Speaker 1: and as explicit as it might be. But there was
Speaker 1: one thing that David was particularly concerned about his wife
Speaker 1: finding out. And this was odd because all of Brad's
Speaker 1: friends seemed to think she already knew about her husband's
Speaker 1: affair with him.
Speaker 8: But I don't know who one have told you that
Speaker 8: she knows four different people unrelated, No, sir, I told
Speaker 8: damn no, sir, will do this, sir.
Speaker 2: Brad lost all that weight because he wanted to keep
Speaker 2: you no, sir, my wife has no idea about business,
Speaker 2: the gentle labor.
Speaker 11: No, sir, he's even told me before, like I understand,
Speaker 11: you're not going to leave your wife and kids.
Speaker 1: This interview made soap operas seem boring. So Brad is
Speaker 1: in love with David and David is married to a
Speaker 1: woman with kids. David and Brad are best friends, though,
Speaker 1: and David appreciates the friendship as well as the favors
Speaker 1: Brad does for him. Cookouts, holidays and barbecues, a little
Speaker 1: smoke and a lot of heat. But the interrogation room
Speaker 1: was a pressure cooker and the detective was about to
Speaker 1: crank it up to eleven. David was brought in as
Speaker 1: a witness, but he was starting to look like something else.
Speaker 2: You got this wall.
Speaker 10: Oh that's not my hand on that guy's ass having
Speaker 10: sex a thing? But look, is there some other ado
Speaker 10: with your tattoo? No, sir, he showed me that picture. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I wish you would I picture of it.
Speaker 2: He's coming. I'll show you. It's you. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you know that's good. It's but it's you. I mean
Speaker 2: he's took a making the ship. Oh, no, sir, but
Speaker 2: I've never taken any pictures. I mean he's having sex
Speaker 2: with something. If I have pictures on my phone, me
Speaker 2: fucking my wife.
Speaker 1: David was telling the truth about that. The picture of
Speaker 1: the detective was describing happened to be a picture of
Speaker 1: David having sex with his wife. Not a man easy
Speaker 1: to mistake, I guess, depending on the ankle yikes. So far,
Speaker 1: David hadn't confessed. The killer may have been someone else,
Speaker 1: but David still had some explaining to do, and it
Speaker 1: was complicated when he had so much more to hide.
Speaker 2: See he drew buys.
Speaker 11: How she didn't stop, Sir, I drove by his house
Speaker 11: and he was not on my player and it's in
Speaker 11: my phone.
Speaker 2: Sir, listen, drew while he wasn't who how long were
Speaker 2: you there? I wasn't there that long? How long I could?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is oh my, you're telling me just drew by?
Speaker 2: Did you stop? I drew by the house. I pulled
Speaker 2: it off. He was not who. We're talking seconds, minutes,
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, that's it. I was. I even
Speaker 2: sat there on my phone. I sat there on my phone.
Speaker 1: David said this occurred after he went to Rural King.
Speaker 1: He stopped by Brad's waited around for a few minutes
Speaker 1: and then went home.
Speaker 7: You guys really too, David Kevin, Yeah, I was really
Speaker 7: think seriously.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you that. Tell you, David,
Speaker 2: look at me. I'm tell you. I know I know
Speaker 2: something to do with What else could it be?
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, I understand it.
Speaker 2: It's once. I've known the man eight years right now,
Speaker 2: they're GPS, GPS in your whole day, eight years? How
Speaker 2: long you were at that house? Entertain right now it's
Speaker 2: your chance to get in front of this. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: you're not the type of guy that would do something
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 4: No, sir, I would not.
Speaker 2: Your There's got to be something to it.
Speaker 4: I got to be a reason.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, this would not do this.
Speaker 2: You're a father, yes, sir, you're a husband. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: you could get in front of this. Tell me what
Speaker 2: happened for I gotta put it together. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: we got it all. It's on the phone. I know, sir,
Speaker 2: we're there, we know exactly when he was killed. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: I know you were there when he was killed. No, sir,
Speaker 2: I wasn't at his house when that man was murdered. Sir,
Speaker 2: I can't. This is the kind of gets people in trouble.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know had to get with it, sir,
Speaker 2: What do you want me?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you anyway.
Speaker 5: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 11: Oh my god, there's nothing I'm.
Speaker 5: Not telling you.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to kill bred. I didn't kill bad
Speaker 2: Oh my god. No, school.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the rest of you, fellow CIS
Speaker 1: males out there, but listening to mister Mackie here wail uncontrollably,
Speaker 1: is a little uncomfortable. Either David was hiding something huge
Speaker 1: or he was the killer. By the way, what are
Speaker 1: the awards soap operas give out the daytime Emmys? David
Speaker 1: gets a daytime emmy. Remember how a minute ago he said,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything. He was just about to do that.
Speaker 2: But what I saw her, what I read, what I've
Speaker 2: been trained to read. What I saw, what I believe.
Speaker 8: There's somebody panicked and opened all the drawers in the
Speaker 8: house to make it look like something, and it was
Speaker 8: like shit, shit, shitchit.
Speaker 2: What do I do, sir?
Speaker 8: But it only you look me straight eye you, and
Speaker 8: I won't tell you if you had anything to do
Speaker 8: with Brad's death.
Speaker 2: We will bring you.
Speaker 4: To you, I know.
Speaker 8: So listen to me now, and listen to me cood
Speaker 8: like you never listen to anybody in your whole life.
Speaker 2: You understand. Yes, I probably won't get a little grief
Speaker 2: over this, but I I got a theory. I think
Speaker 2: it might have been an accident.
Speaker 1: David is unraveling, but even now he denies that he
Speaker 1: killed Brad. Instead, he starts to talk about that day,
Speaker 1: and now it sounds like maybe there's more to this
Speaker 1: than anyone realized.
Speaker 2: Brad called me. He wanted me to meet up with
Speaker 2: him at his house before you and the wife and
Speaker 2: kids came out. Great. So I went to his house
Speaker 2: and I sat there and I waited on him, and
Speaker 2: I waited on and he shows up. He had another
Speaker 2: guy with him. I don't know who he was. I
Speaker 2: don't know his name. I swear it on everything right now.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 11: He was to get out of the car I been
Speaker 11: walking over bratsipt Brood, unload the back of his BMW,
Speaker 11: And what happened.
Speaker 2: This is the hor report, isn't it.
Speaker 6: David?
Speaker 5: Let go?
Speaker 2: I can't look at me. Let it go. Let it
Speaker 2: off that chest. You'll feel better. I guarantee you God.
Speaker 5: You heard a good shot you.
Speaker 2: And what happened? I wanted one call.
Speaker 13: Like I came running out of the garage, Okay, did
Speaker 13: you get the Brad's BMW okay?
Speaker 2: And then I left, Oh, okay, okay, it's okay. He
Speaker 2: knew what I look like. He my vehicle was there.
Speaker 5: I did not know what to do.
Speaker 1: At one point after Detective alar here's about the third person.
Speaker 1: He turns, starts the camera and makes a what the
Speaker 1: fuck kind of face.
Speaker 3: So one of the first stories he gave me was, oh,
Speaker 3: well I was there and this mysterious person was with
Speaker 3: Brad and I heard a gun shot, so I left,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, well, David has said, so you
Speaker 3: hear gunshot your dear friends inside, you think something's going on,
Speaker 3: so you leave, you go home, you get your wife
Speaker 3: and kid and come back.
Speaker 2: And he's like, uh, well, this is what happened.
Speaker 3: So then he's like, well, I was in the basement
Speaker 3: and this guy who got out of Brad's car and
Speaker 3: you know, uh, he just went crazy and he shot
Speaker 3: Brad and he put a gun to my head and
Speaker 3: told me if I said anything, I'm next. I'm like Okay,
Speaker 3: so you go home, you leave there this mysterious one
Speaker 3: arm man and he didn't really have one arm in
Speaker 3: the story. That's a that's a reference to the fugitive.
Speaker 3: I said, so, he says, say so, so this guy
Speaker 3: kills Brad, tells him he's going to kill.
Speaker 4: You, and you leave.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I said, so you go home and
Speaker 3: get your family and come back to find Brad's body. Why.
Speaker 1: It was still possible that David had just been a bystander,
Speaker 1: but with every new detail that was less and less likely.
Speaker 5: So Wi God, I kept saying, I need to hola copster,
Speaker 5: you need to call you need to cola comps.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what happened.
Speaker 14: Okay you're telling me now, oh I go.
Speaker 2: Do you know why this guy shot? Sir? What Brad saying?
Speaker 1: It was time to call David out on his bullshit?
Speaker 4: Listen this on.
Speaker 2: Now we got a what our manage shows up?
Speaker 7: To My God, the evidenced this guy wasn't there.
Speaker 2: There was where did he go? Did he fly else?
Speaker 2: What else would I have got to shove?
Speaker 1: No, Sir, I swear to God, Sir, I swear to God.
Speaker 2: Glafi because you gotta get struck a light.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, this is all that I'm from there
Speaker 7: on me now because you did it, Sir, I did.
Speaker 2: Not killed my friend, David. Listen, I like I told
Speaker 2: John's all with you there for a while, Sir, I
Speaker 2: did not kill my best friend. You cannsult me.
Speaker 5: I did not.
Speaker 2: I'm killing him, Sir. I don't know what your wife, no, sir? Sure, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna goad to go ask her. No, sir, that's fine.
Speaker 1: The detective was using every tactic he had, and still
Speaker 1: David insisted that he wasn't Brad's killer.
Speaker 2: I mean, list love with each other, you guys having
Speaker 2: a beer at a bar? What the fuck? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Indeed, I mean you can do whatever you want, and
Speaker 1: I hope you uh have the right to do whatever
Speaker 1: you want and all of the rights that everyone else has,
Speaker 1: of course, but uh still you right Next, he points
Speaker 1: out that the chief of police lives on Brad Street
Speaker 1: and happens to have cameras everywhere. He tells Brad that
Speaker 1: if he pulls out that footage, he's pretty sure he'll
Speaker 1: see you. BMW pull into the driveway and Brad will
Speaker 1: be in it. But the seat next to him will
Speaker 1: be empty. He had just given David numerous opportunities to
Speaker 1: be truthful, his life actually depended on it, but David
Speaker 1: just wouldn't be straight with him. Pun intended.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking because I like to hear me talk.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a serious, God your shit. You
Speaker 2: got to see that, the things you.
Speaker 10: Keep telling me, and listen, I'm at the point out
Speaker 10: I don't think that you're telling me this.
Speaker 2: Stuff because you care about what I think. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you something I still don't hook. You're not an ask.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking you can't admit it to yourself what happened because.
Speaker 8: You immediately made up this grand of your story right away,
Speaker 8: and you believed it. You believed it, You made yourself
Speaker 8: believe it because you can't live with yourself about what happened.
Speaker 2: It seems your best friend, he loved him. He was
Speaker 2: more than your friend. He was your heart. Wasn't he
Speaker 2: and Brad loved each other?
Speaker 8: But you love you was in my heart. You love
Speaker 8: this man, and there's no shame in it. You understand,
Speaker 8: there ain't no shame in loving somebody, no matter what
Speaker 8: color they are. They got a dig or three bussies
Speaker 8: he doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: You love them, You love them.
Speaker 1: Those are some pearls of wisdom right there. Finally, it
Speaker 1: seemed like David was ready to confront himself and tell
Speaker 1: the detectives what actually happened.
Speaker 2: Tell me what happened. He's probably me and Brad. We
Speaker 2: were really close. I love him, not like I do
Speaker 2: my wife.
Speaker 9: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I know I love him. What I want you
Speaker 2: to know for I didn't shoot him. To New show,
Speaker 2: I did not shoot him. Tell me what happened. Somebody
Speaker 2: did shoot Tell me what happened.
Speaker 1: David tells them that while he's at Brad's, a man
Speaker 1: he doesn't know comes into the place and starts an argument,
Speaker 1: and Brad accuses him of taking money. It turns violent.
Speaker 2: Because I said, I'm gonna run this full shit down.
Speaker 2: You can say no more. Tell me, sir, what's like?
Speaker 2: Shoot him? I can't bring myself to shoot anybody.
Speaker 11: Okay, there's a big fucking argument between whose dick is
Speaker 11: bigger and the money?
Speaker 2: Okay with is this guy real? Yes, sir, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: that guy is real. He and Brad have argued about
Speaker 2: it before.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he means that he and Brad argued about
Speaker 1: this guy before. I wonder what they argued about. Not sure.
Speaker 1: In any case, it was another false lead. The detective
Speaker 1: was again sure that footage would show only two people
Speaker 1: on three pot fifty eight Wagner Avenue that day, Brad
Speaker 1: and David. This was a personal issue between the two
Speaker 1: of them, and Detective Alaar had a theory it involved
Speaker 1: stolen money, which was one of the few truths in
Speaker 1: David's story.
Speaker 2: This is a fucking TV movie of the ship stuff here. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm worry. Here's what I think happened. Anything did this
Speaker 2: guy here that you're coming up with and creating. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking this is your putting all your guilt into
Speaker 2: this guy because you can't live with yourself of what happened.
Speaker 8: Brad's met at this guy, and you're met at this
Speaker 8: guy for stealing Brad's money. Brad eccues to you stealing
Speaker 8: this money if you neither didn't, it's irrelevant what Brad.
Speaker 2: Excues to you taking your money. You were so upset
Speaker 2: that demanding love thought you excuse to you and he's dead.
Speaker 8: You totally don't all your guilt and your accountability into
Speaker 8: this dude.
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist. Okay, that's some crazy ship man. I
Speaker 2: never seen anybody so upset or similar cells that they
Speaker 2: went to this extreme.
Speaker 1: This was yet another lie, and there was still one
Speaker 1: lie left, this one David hadn't said out loud, not
Speaker 1: yet anyway. Two men in Ohio. David is straight, allegedly
Speaker 1: married and has children, and his best friend Brad is gay.
Speaker 1: Somewhere along the way, their friendship crosses a line into
Speaker 1: a sexual affair. All of Brad's friends know this Dj,
Speaker 1: this man Brad is in love with. But is David
Speaker 1: in love with Brad? This may never be known. He
Speaker 1: claims he loves him, but not like he loves his wife.
Speaker 1: They all say David's wife is onto the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but David insists she knows nothing other than David confessing
Speaker 1: to her that Brad has told him how he feels
Speaker 1: about him. But hey, honey, no worries. He tells her,
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere and there's nothing going on between us.
Speaker 1: Winky face, winky face. Now Brad is dead and it's
Speaker 1: looking very much like David is the killer. At the
Speaker 1: very least, he was present during the time of the murder,
Speaker 1: so he's either guilty of being an accomplice since he
Speaker 1: waited to call police, or he's just all the way around.
Speaker 1: In any case, he knew Brad was lying face down
Speaker 1: in a pool of blood, dead of gunshot wounds to
Speaker 1: his head in his basement. And what does David do.
Speaker 1: He takes his wife and younger daughter to the house,
Speaker 1: pretending he doesn't know any of this. He subjects his
Speaker 1: young daughter to the trauma of seeing dead uncle Brad.
Speaker 1: But after all the stories and all the lies, Detective
Speaker 1: of Laar was closing in and David was about to
Speaker 1: reveal the final version of his truth.
Speaker 14: He took your own daughter past the body the man
Speaker 14: he knew he was dead. And maybe I don't know
Speaker 14: if your waves evolved with her or not yet. Okay,
Speaker 14: we're gonna find out. We're gonna find this out very shortly.
Speaker 14: Do you understand to what You're gonna look in the
Speaker 14: eye and tell you. Listen, if I had to tell
Speaker 14: her about you and Brad or on iron, she already knows.
Speaker 14: That's what I kept being told today.
Speaker 2: And listen, people that I'm talking to, nine team's talking.
Speaker 12: To they don't know each other. Yes, okay, it's like
Speaker 12: Brad's friend from when he was a hairdresser, and he
Speaker 12: worked at a gyms lawn. That doesn't know Brad's cousin
Speaker 12: who came in from Florida.
Speaker 2: Who talk to Brad about all the problems he's having
Speaker 2: with you at the wedding.
Speaker 14: Okay, and wait for it, Brad abruptly leaves his dinner
Speaker 14: with his family, saying he's going to meet Guess.
Speaker 2: Who who's he going to meet.
Speaker 8: He's not going to pick up another dude to bring
Speaker 8: to your house, he says, he's going to meet with
Speaker 8: you because he wants.
Speaker 2: To have sex with you.
Speaker 1: You heard Detective of Law ask if David's wife, Sherry
Speaker 1: was involved. That brings in a whole new layer of suspicion,
Speaker 1: though she was never brought in as a suspect. There
Speaker 1: could only be one reason she would know about this
Speaker 1: and go along with her husband having a gay affair.
Speaker 1: The reason is the same reason people have been doing
Speaker 1: shady things for millennia. Do I have to spell it out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's money. It's money, the root of all evil.
Speaker 1: You know all that. Apparently Brad paid for all kinds
Speaker 1: of things for the Kenney family, not just for David.
Speaker 1: He provided elaborate birthday parties for the kids, bought them
Speaker 1: household gifts, took them out to eat a lot and
Speaker 1: get this.
Speaker 3: So one of the things you found out was that,
Speaker 3: you know, Brad was essentially a part of David's family.
Speaker 3: The kids called him Uncle Brad. He paid for a
Speaker 3: lot of things for the Kennis vacations, birthday parties, things
Speaker 3: of that nature. Both Sherry and David told us that
Speaker 3: they were getting ready to go on a cruise together,
Speaker 3: all of them together, which you think, you know, you're
Speaker 3: going on a cruise with your wife and your your lover.
Speaker 3: At the same time, that made us kind of wonder
Speaker 3: about Sherry, you know, did she know this was going on?
Speaker 1: So, while Sherry's involvement is unconfirmed this day, that gun
Speaker 1: is smoking. Speaking of guns, it definitely did not go
Speaker 1: down the way Brad described. That was his last lie,
Speaker 1: trying to say that Brad was waving it at him
Speaker 1: and he felt threatened, so he took the gun from him.
Speaker 1: But then what the threat is gone? Right, no more
Speaker 1: gun pointing at him? So why shoot him? Not once
Speaker 1: but twice?
Speaker 13: Was like our situation him, I love my wife and
Speaker 13: kids to death. You love Brad too, I did I mean,
Speaker 13: we're tight, man, real tight. Sometimes you think about the
Speaker 13: being a white friend. Okay, I told him numerous times.
Speaker 13: Then I'm not gonna leave my wife. May come to.
Speaker 2: The conclusion that he understood. Okay, but uh, I told him.
Speaker 2: I said, it seems we're gonna have to start to stop.
Speaker 2: No doubt.
Speaker 1: It was hard, as David put it, but self defense
Speaker 1: was out of the question. He tried to allege that
Speaker 1: Brad was slapping him around before pointing the gun in
Speaker 1: his direction. Keep in mind that Brad was about a
Speaker 1: foot shorter than David, and not only was David a
Speaker 1: big guy, a bear, you might say, it was also
Speaker 1: rugged and muscular. Unlike Brad. All he had to do
Speaker 1: was walk out of the house.
Speaker 11: He told me, he said, if you end all of
Speaker 11: this now, then I'm done with you forever.
Speaker 2: He said, that's it.
Speaker 11: I said, you know, we can't just drop each other
Speaker 11: like his. You're my best friend, your best friend. This
Speaker 11: one said, leave your wife. He said, this is being
Speaker 11: going on for too long. Lead your wife.
Speaker 2: I told him. I said, I'm done. I'm not doing
Speaker 2: this more.
Speaker 6: I'm done.
Speaker 1: David claimed that Brad was guilt tripping him and accusing
Speaker 1: him of playing with his emotions that he couldn't believe
Speaker 1: he wouldn't leave his wife. David claimed he never said
Speaker 1: anything different than that, and Brad always knew. Maybe parts
Speaker 1: of this version were true. Maybe David was the man
Speaker 1: arguing with Brad. Brad wanted him to leave his wife,
Speaker 1: but David refused, and rather than split up and risk
Speaker 1: their relationship being out it, he shot him in the head.
Speaker 1: It's also possible that David was milking Brad for everything
Speaker 1: he had, including stealing money from him. Someone had stolen money,
Speaker 1: but the culprit was never proven, and maybe Brad finally
Speaker 1: called him out on his thievery.
Speaker 2: Why you shoot him? He's coming at me with his gun?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: What ill thought?
Speaker 2: You said? You took his gun from him? I did
Speaker 2: so he had another gun. Call you take his gun
Speaker 2: from him? Soon, he said, he shot him. Just then
Speaker 2: tell me why he shot him. I felt threatened.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you, he claimed, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. Not only did David sit there
Speaker 1: for hours and hours, telling one lie after another, but
Speaker 1: his whole life was a lie. His whole marriage was
Speaker 1: tainted with lies. If he felt threatened, it was because
Speaker 1: he was scared he couldn't have his way, scared his
Speaker 1: wife would leave him, or scared of admitting that maybe
Speaker 1: he was actually gay.
Speaker 2: Gasp.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know it or not, but
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty five. Nobody gives a shit. Do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. If you just don't lie to your family
Speaker 1: and make them live a whole lie that they don't
Speaker 1: even know about, you know, be a decent human being.
Speaker 1: Detective of Lar promised David he'd let him know if
Speaker 1: he had to tell his wife about the affair, assuming
Speaker 1: she didn't already know. Well, that time had come. It
Speaker 1: was time to tell his wife, my dall's going on.
Speaker 9: I need to know that you have in my back
Speaker 9: and then everything I'm going to use the truth from here, okay.
Speaker 2: And I love you and the kids, and don't I
Speaker 2: want you to be there for me, okay.
Speaker 5: I had another gun.
Speaker 2: At the house. He had a twenty two there, and
Speaker 2: you're I went to Brad's house to meet up with
Speaker 2: the matter the wedding.
Speaker 9: He was flighting with me because he had some money
Speaker 9: come up with this, and and I didn't taken Brad.
Speaker 2: I never stole money, nobody. He always gave me money
Speaker 2: you have done to be fuck listening. Just listen to me.
Speaker 9: I went to the house and I told him, I said,
Speaker 9: listen from here now and it's just friends, you me,
Speaker 9: and it can't be anything more else cause Brad his.
Speaker 2: You know how Grandpa was with me. Okay, he looked,
Speaker 2: he flipped out.
Speaker 9: Listen to me.
Speaker 2: Please just let me talk, Cherry, will you please let
Speaker 2: me talk? He flipped out on me and he granted
Speaker 2: the twenty two diarring chirt and he before you even
Speaker 2: did that, he saw me around a little bit. I
Speaker 2: tried to him, this was it. Okay, Thick, you were
Speaker 2: kid it listen, you.
Speaker 9: Mat me with that gun. Okay, he can't back me
Speaker 9: with that gun because I oh, he wanted me to
Speaker 9: leave you guys, I told him. Then when he come
Speaker 9: back me with that gun, no, no.
Speaker 2: Sherry, I was fine. Scared. I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I was scared.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: She knew. She knew. You can tell she may have
Speaker 1: been lying to herself and everyone around her, but she
Speaker 1: knew deep down. David was scared, but he wasn't scared
Speaker 1: of Brad. He was scared of everything, but Brad. He
Speaker 1: continued to lie repeatedly to his wife for the next
Speaker 1: half an hour, only admitting what she probably already knew
Speaker 1: that he and Brad had fooled around. But it had
Speaker 1: been a while, he said, since they had. The only
Speaker 1: real question she had for David was how long had
Speaker 1: it been. She desperately wanted to know the last time
Speaker 1: they had sex together, probably because she did know about
Speaker 1: the affair, and David had likely made promises of stopping
Speaker 1: before but didn't. But Sherry finally gave in and told
Speaker 1: him she'd be there for him and to stay strong.
Speaker 1: They embraced each other for a long hug, They kissed
Speaker 1: several times. They told each other they loved each other,
Speaker 1: and David went to jail.
Speaker 3: You know, I've had harder trials, but it was a
Speaker 3: rough trial. We thought we had. You know, still think
Speaker 3: we had a really good case, but you never know.
Speaker 3: They never know what a jury's going to do. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, you present
Speaker 3: a good case, you get a good result. And this
Speaker 3: was a good case. I mean, everybody played by the rules,
Speaker 3: colored in the lines. There was nothing out there that
Speaker 3: we were worried about. I think David thought that his
Speaker 3: self defense story would win the day, but it was
Speaker 3: just so ridiculous that no one bought it. I know
Speaker 3: one thing that that was talked about or prosecutor deciding
Speaker 3: to charge David with aggravated We believed that's what it was.
Speaker 3: But could we prove prior calculation and design? Can we
Speaker 3: prove that he went there with the attention to kill?
Speaker 3: There was a lot of evidence support that, but that
Speaker 3: was definitely a hot topic issue with the trial and
Speaker 3: defence counsel, who did an excellent job, really tried to
Speaker 3: keep that from happening. But you know, the evidence won
Speaker 3: the day and he was convicted on everything we cheme went.
Speaker 1: Finally we get to the truth of what actually happened.
Speaker 1: Here it is Brad was shot twice in the back
Speaker 1: of the head. The first bullet entered near the crown
Speaker 1: at a downward angle, as if he were turning or crouching.
Speaker 1: He would have left after this one. The second one
Speaker 1: hit lower, driving forward into a skull. He never saw
Speaker 1: it coming. Brad was found face down in the basement,
Speaker 1: lying in his blood near his hot up. There were
Speaker 1: bruises on his face. His phone was still in his pocket.
Speaker 1: Nothing in the house had been stolen, but the drawers
Speaker 1: were open, like someone had tried to make it look
Speaker 1: that way. David Kenny would claim it was self defense
Speaker 1: and that Brad had confronted him, things had gotten heated
Speaker 1: and he pulled the trigger out of fear, but the
Speaker 1: evidence suggested a very different story. There were zero signs
Speaker 1: of a struggle, no defensive wounds, just two bullets to
Speaker 1: the back of the head, and David had brought the
Speaker 1: gun with him that day. To anyone's best guess, Brad
Speaker 1: didn't even own a darringer.
Speaker 3: So mean, the only other thing about the scene that
Speaker 3: we had was that basement was very cluttered, and we
Speaker 3: knew at the time we were dealing with a small caliber,
Speaker 3: but we didn't know how small. But typically laws of averages,
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with a small caliber is probably going
Speaker 3: to be a twenty two. So we're looking for showcasings
Speaker 3: and I think for the next week we searched that basement.
Speaker 3: At one point we actually took everything out of that basement,
Speaker 3: every thing, every box, everything, period and look for showcasings.
Speaker 3: Never found any. So typically that'll tell us that you're
Speaker 3: probably dealing with a revolver or someone found the showcasings
Speaker 3: and picked him up. One of David's many stories was
Speaker 3: that he took Brad's derringer off of AIM, which is
Speaker 3: a revolver or a contained weapon depending on the model
Speaker 3: and where the casings stay in the weapon after they're fired,
Speaker 3: and that's what he shot him with. But I, you know,
Speaker 3: I just don't know. I know, I believe that that
Speaker 3: David took a weapon there to kill Brad. You know,
Speaker 3: it was his plan to kill him. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think that the evidence supports that most definitely. So we
Speaker 3: don't know what kind of gun it was, just it
Speaker 3: was a twenty two, not for sure to detectives.
Speaker 1: It wasn't panic, it was fear. It was a plan.
Speaker 1: David claimed he chucked the gun in a certain location
Speaker 1: along the highway, but it was never found. We asked
Speaker 1: Detective of Lar for his take on David's character.
Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of monster in everybody,
Speaker 3: and some are worse than others. And you know, like
Speaker 3: I said before, I understand, you know, I know I've
Speaker 3: been There's been several times in my life where if
Speaker 3: things blew a different way, I might have been capable
Speaker 3: of murder. I think everybody if they're honest with theirselves,
Speaker 3: they can they can agree with that. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's the fact that you got to you gotta tame
Speaker 3: your own monster, you know, and you get to that point,
Speaker 3: you know, you can either be a decent human being
Speaker 3: and you let the monster win. And in this case,
Speaker 3: you know, David Kenny, you let the monster win.
Speaker 1: David Kinney, the Flaming Queen, was convicted of aggravated murder
Speaker 1: and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole,
Speaker 1: plus three years for the firearm. His wife was cleared
Speaker 1: of any involvement with the murder. For a time, it
Speaker 1: appears she stayed by his side. They were still married
Speaker 1: for several years after his conviction, but by twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four her life had taken a different turn. Public posts
Speaker 1: suggested she eventually remarried, quietly moving on from the man
Speaker 1: at the center of one of Ohio's most intimate betrayals.
Speaker 1: There's no public word on how her children have coped,
Speaker 1: either by the loss of their dad or uncle Brad,
Speaker 1: but one can only hope they've had support and counseling
Speaker 1: needed to navigate away from something so ugly. This wasn't
Speaker 1: just a story about murder. It was a story about betrayal.
Speaker 1: It was about trust fractured across every layer of small
Speaker 1: town life. It was about the damage that a secret
Speaker 1: can do to a family when it's fed, protected, and
Speaker 1: finally exposed. That does it for another one. Go check
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