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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: There when he was killed. No, sir, I was not

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at his house when that man was murdered. Sir I, kid,

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this is the kind of shit that gets people in drulled.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know, hello and welcome this Sword

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and Scale Episode three, twenty eight Let's Go. Forty three

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year old Brad McGarry and thirty year old David Kinney

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were friends for years. They met while working at a

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local coal mine in the small town of Ohio called

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bel Air. Sounds nice, right. Don't get ahead of yourself, though,

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This is Ohio. Belair sits along the Ohio River and

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borders West Virginia. Another stunning location filled with PhDs. It's

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a place built on hard work, traditional values and coal. Yeah, coal,

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the thing that's probably powering your iPhone for generations. The

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mines and the coal in it shaped everything in bel Air.

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Those minds offered steady work for anyone willing to face

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the challenges of being underground all day long. It's dangerous work,

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probably worth every penny and then some. But by twenty seventeen,

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these jobs were disappearing, mines were shutting down, and operations

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were scaled back. Work became harder to find and harder

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to keep. For men like Brad McGarry and David Kinney,

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getting and keeping a job in the mines made them

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feel lucky. This is Detective Ryan Aller of Belmont County.

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Speaker 3: Blair is one of our bigger municipalities in Belmont County.

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I wouldn't say it's a high crime rate, but compared

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to other parts of the county, there's a good bit

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of drug activity down there. There's bit homicides in Blair before,

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but it's been quite some time, so a case like

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this is very shocking to our community.

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Speaker 1: Brad McGary wasn't just a friend to David. He was

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a family friend, sharing holidays, family dinners and afternoons at

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each other's homes. To David's kids, Brad was known as

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Uncle Brad because they loved and trusted him. Brad was single,

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so he appreciated the opportunity to feel part of a

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full blown family, and both David and his wife Sherry

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were happy to have Uncle Brad. Cherry felt almost like

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she had two responsible men in her life. She was

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a young, single mom. When she and David met, David

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was young too, but in no time they married and

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he became a father to her three kids. By twenty seventeen,

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they'd been together for ten years, and Brad had been

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part of the family picture for about six years. On

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May seventh, twenty seventeen, David Sherry and their thirteen year

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old daughter drove half an hour from their town of

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Brilliant to Brad's bel Air home, a nineteen fifties ranch

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sitting almost at the end of a residential, dead end street.

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They were stopping by to give Brad a weed trimmer.

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It was a small gift to repay for some things

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he'd done for them. Brad was like that, he was

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really helpful, good friend. Those are hard to come by.

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So they pull into the driveway, the gravel crunching under

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the truck's tires. It's a typical quiet Sunday afternoon. Cherry

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shifts in her seat and takes her seat belt off

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while David exits the truck. As they're doing this, they

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immediately notice that the kitchen door is open, just slightly.

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But it's not normal. It's not like Brad to just

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leave it open like that. David scrunches his face, squinting

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towards the house. But their thirteen year old daughter is

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excited to see uncle Brad, so she darts from the truck.

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Stay here, said automatically, but the girl's already halfway to

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the porch, where she waits but peers inside. Meanwhile, David

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starts calling Brad because he's afraid something is off. Brad's

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phone rings unanswered. Cherry watches David try again, holding his

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phone up and listening to empty ringing on the other end.

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She follows her daughter up the steps, and her adrenaline

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is pumping. The door swings inward with a soft creak

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under her hand. Inside she sees chaos, yanked open drawers

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and gaping cabinets. Papers and belongings were scattered like someone

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at ransacked the place in a hurry. At that point,

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Sherry is scared and reaches for David's arm. Go get

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your gun, she whispers. David doesn't argue. He turns back

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towards a truck moving fast but controlled. Cherry stands frozen

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in the doorway, one arm thrown out to hold her

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daughter back. Her daughter looks at her in sheer terror.

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What's happening?

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Speaker 2: Mom?

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Speaker 1: David comes back with his firearm at his side. His

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face is tight and pale. She's not used to seeing

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her tall, rugged husband in this state. He tells her

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to stay there, he's going inside the check. Sherry doesn't move,

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gripping her daughter's shoulders. She wants to run out, but

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she can't make herself move. She's frozen like a rabbit

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in headlights. David's footsteps creak on the basement stairs. A

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second passes, then another, then suddenly she hears his panicked

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voice from the basement call mine.

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Speaker 4: When one he shouts, they hear.

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Speaker 5: What's the road? What's the county?

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Speaker 4: Nine?

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Speaker 5: One one? Where is your emergency?

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Speaker 4: We want an emergency.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what's this? Stay there? Where are you at?

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We we's Blaire?

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Speaker 4: I don't even know the road right next to persy

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to come all the way back and up the hill.

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Speaker 5: Okay, what's going on? I don't even know. You don't

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know what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Whercies?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, what work ma'am, ma'am? Or what's vlaire?

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Speaker 4: We came into my husband's friend and his back door

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was cracked open. He wasn't into the face, so we

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came in the house, he's in his basement.

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Speaker 1: The dispatcher tries to make sense of what's unfolding on

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Wagner Avenue, but Sherry is struggling to process it herself.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, calm down. Did you say he's dead? Okay, okay, ma'am.

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Does it look like something happened to him? Does it

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look like you fowl? He's all over on the.

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Speaker 4: Floors, one everywhere?

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Speaker 5: Okay. What is your name? My name is Sarry Kenny,

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Sherry Kenney.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's facts.

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Speaker 5: Okay, husband looked.

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Speaker 4: In Okay, now it's still play from the kitchen.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Sherry, I need you, I need you to catify

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me an address.

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Speaker 4: Can you do that?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Cool?

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Speaker 4: Even though it's like that's the Pervis market? Well, what's

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an address on a house?

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Speaker 1: The questions keep coming from the operator, but the whole

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scene is disorienting for Sherry. She's still trying to make

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sense of the chaos around her when the most critical

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question of all waits in the background. Is he dead?

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Speaker 5: Oh? I thought he's just playing there. Okay, listen to me. Okay,

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does the back door look like it was four? So

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there's his kitchen door? Does it look like it was

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just was it cracked open? It wasn't force open.

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Speaker 7: I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Go in here, okay, it was just cracked. I don't

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know if it was fourth entry. Mary, Oh, I'm Mary, Sherry.

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Speaker 4: Any breathing?

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Speaker 5: Is he breathing?

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's breathing.

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Speaker 1: It was looking like they were too late and Brad

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was indeed dead. But how did this happen? Did he

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fall down the stairs or was there a struggle?

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Speaker 4: What is his name?

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Speaker 5: Brad McGary? Brad McGary?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Nora McGary.

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Speaker 5: Okay is that your husband? My lessons? Freaking out?

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Speaker 8: Yea sister?

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right? Oh yes, oh my god?

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Speaker 4: Run wound in the back of his head.

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Speaker 5: He has a gunshot wound. Okay, scary sharing grow up, Sherry, Oh, Sherry,

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I need you to calm down. Is there a gun

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near him? Okay? Ask your husband if he saw a

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gun lying on the floor. No, do see one. You

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don't see a gun. No, I don't see a gun. Okay,

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all right. I need you guys listen. I need you

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and your husband to back out of the residence and

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wait outside for the officers.

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Speaker 2: Do you hear me?

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Speaker 9: All right?

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Speaker 5: Okay, stay outside. You both of them need to go

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wait outside, we're outside. Okay.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of unanswered questions. Apparently Brad knew

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they were going to stop by, and David's spoke with

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him on that very day, but then he didn't answer

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his phone, so the Kinneys were already on alert. Brad

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was good at communicating, and it just wasn't like him

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to ignore calls.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I know you're upset, and I know this. This

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is a horrible, horrible thing. Okay, I need to try

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to calm down for me. Okay, Now, when was the

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last time you guys spoke with him? When was the

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last time you guys spoke with him? It was the

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last time he talked to him, DJ.

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Speaker 4: She talked him earlier.

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Speaker 5: She went to a wedding over the weekend. He was

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wanted lead up from his mom. He talked to him,

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didn't care. That was today, Yeah, I was very weird

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today and he told him that we would be coming

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down and he.

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Speaker 4: Could just cook down whenever.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, do you remember what time earlier today

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you spoke with him? What time was that he talked

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Do you remember it's on your instead of you on

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his cell phone?

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Speaker 10: Okay, all I.

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Speaker 5: Know is we uh, well, that's my husband and he

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has his kids.

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Speaker 4: Still curious of you, do you have your gun just

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because Brad wasn't answered his phone and isn't Kay was

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yelling and.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't saying anything. Then he went to his truck.

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Speaker 4: He got his not is just the case, you know,

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because he was scared of himself, as it's not like Brad.

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Speaker 5: Want to answer his tone. Okay, and then oh gosh,

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do your husband still have his gun out her first

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on his side?

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Speaker 4: He has still carry just you know, carries a reflection

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for her being a meaning that he wasn't answer and

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the door was cracked open. We you know he got

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it because he was scared of himself.

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Speaker 1: Remember, kids, if you're ever at a crime scene and

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you have a gun on you, let the nine one

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one operator no, for the safety of everyone.

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Speaker 5: Okay, the officer is out there. Okay, yeah, make sure

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you tell the officer that your husband has a gun

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on his side. Okay, just sorry, Okay, so we'll let

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you know he hasn't a gun he'll carry but all right, thanks, okay,

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my walk with the officer. Okay.

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Speaker 1: As first responders secured the scene, The question wasn't how

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Brad McGarry died, it was who would want him dead.

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In May of twenty seventeen, Brad McGarry, a resident in

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the quiet town of Balero, Ohio, was found dead in

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the basement of his home, faced down, surrounded by blood,

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with what appeared to be a gunshot wound to his head.

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Speaker 3: Money's Ryan Aller, the chief of Investigations of the Belmont

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County Sheriff's Office. I've been with the Sheriff's Office since

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nineteen ninety six. I've been a detective since two.

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Speaker 2: Thousand and five.

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Speaker 3: You know, Brad was Brad was a coal miner. He

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had a couple other careers. He seemed to be be

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happy with that job. He was very well liked by

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his friends and family. They say that he had a

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very outgoing personality, kind of lit up in a room

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he walked into, loved being the center of attention. Nobody

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I talked to, Not a single soul had a sim

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little bad thing to say about him, which I can't

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always say about the victims that we have. One of

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the things any good detective will do is they try

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to get to know their victims, even if they're deceased,

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and that's that's one of the most important things to do.

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Try to get inside the head of your victim, try.

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Speaker 2: To know them.

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Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes you don't really like your victims.

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Know they're not the best people in the world. But

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you know, I think I would have liked Brad.

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Speaker 1: It was his friend David Kinney and his wife Sherry

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who made the discovery. As detectives started to dig deeper,

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they uncovered parts of Brad's life that no one had

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talked about and people who might have wanted him gone.

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One of the first leads that came in was from

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a local cab driver. He told police that a woman

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he knew named Courtney had asked him for a ride

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to Wagner Avenue. Her plan, she said, was to rob

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a man she claimed had contacted her through a Craigslist

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modeling ad. According to this guy, the man was going

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to give her five hundred dollars for nude pictures of her,

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but the deal changed when he added that he'd like

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to see the pictures of her three year old child

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as well. Courtney saved his number in her phone under

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the name Baby Raper. She told the cab driver the

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man was sick and that he deserved whatever was coming.

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It was the kind of lead investigators just couldn't ignore.

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But when they interviewed her further, Courtney said she didn't

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go through with it. The cab driver said he refused

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a drive her because he'd been drinking that night. She

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said she deleted the messages, but she gave the police

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the man's phone number, and when they traced the number,

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it led them right back to bel Air, close enough

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that police had to wonder was Bradan Gary living a

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life no one knew about, was he indeed the baby

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raper on her phone? Or were they just chasing the

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wrong lead entirely. Detectives started digging and discovered that Brad

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would probably be the last person who would ask for

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naked pictures. Courtney's story fell apart. Two phone numbers didn't match,

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she gave the wrong street, and she was just kind

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of a sketchy witness all around. With that lead fading fast,

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detectives turned to the people who knew Brad best, starting

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with Brad and Sherry. When was the last time they

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saw Brad? Well, it was just a day before a Saturday.

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Speaker 2: What did you guys do any good at there?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 11: Brad made pizza who we all had some pizza, went

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down in the basement, was talking about the two spare

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rooms in the back.

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Speaker 2: He was playing on.

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Speaker 11: We tore all the drywall the one room, filed a

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bunch of stuff up there there, and we were talking

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about how to dry locket and you know, start getting

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stuff done. Because he had a company, he wanted to

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come in to put rug down and stuff. And I'm

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out down there and he asked about that. Come upstairs,

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played with the dogs.

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Speaker 2: You know, my son and I just we just hung

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me out, the normal thing you can do at your

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buddy's house. You should hang out there a lot. He

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goes with me. What's he doing while you're there?

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Speaker 11: He usually just hangs out with us. Okay, I got

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a house full of girls. He's the only boys, so

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a lot of times it's Adad can.

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Speaker 2: I go U.

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Speaker 1: That was Saturday, May sixth. They hung out and then

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Brad took off for a wedding that evening. When it

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was over, he stayed with his family overnight and he

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called David just to check in.

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Speaker 11: He called me when he got back to his mom's

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house and we just he asked about the wedding, and

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then he called me the next day.

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Speaker 2: Did he stay in his mom's house, yes, yes, or

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his grandmom's or his grandmother's house. I'm not sure which

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house he stayed at. Now we're a Sunday right, Yes.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday, the day of Brad's murder, Brad was excited

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to get home. The Kennies had told him they'd be

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bringing him a gift.

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Speaker 2: So that was out running around.

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Speaker 11: Me and my wife did our normal Sunday thing throughout

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the day and had lunch. He texted me again, hey

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or hello. I texted hey, he said, don't creat my surprise.

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I said, we'll be bringing it out.

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Speaker 2: When was that probably? Well, he texted me.

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Speaker 11: I would say it was probably on some one something,

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and I didn't get right back to him right away.

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I think by the time I actually got back and

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texted him back, it was like three o'clock wherever three

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or something like that. I told him we'll be bringing

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it out. I told him, you know, stalk by drive

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by earlier. I wents home, call me whenever you get home,

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and we'll come out.

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Speaker 2: Where were eating away fat Sunday afternoon Chinese rest, get

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some lunch after young out at the house. What change

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your instrument. You guys close the Studentville. Yeah, I'll try

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to get the geography. Yes, like I said, fifteen minutes

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a well, but just doing once we're like fifteen minutes

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out to Studentville.

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Speaker 1: She and David had breakfast with the kids, then ran

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a quick errand to stop and pick up hair dye

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at Sally's Beauty in Steubenville. Stupen am, I saying that right,

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who cares? It's Ohio. Anyway. They came home and shortly

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after David said he had to go help a friend

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whose car had broken down, and he wanted to stop

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by Rural King, a farm supply store, just to look around.

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Then David brought up the weed trimmer.

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Speaker 2: And then I talked to a friend of mine.

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Speaker 11: And then I went and I went and was gonna

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go a Rural King, look at some trailers, get a truck.

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Speaker 2: I did a little bit of running. Did you go there? Yeah? Did,

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as did my run. And I wanted to do see

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you drove from your home and brilliant to Rule King.

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Guess there's your wife with you? No, sir, okay. And

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this was probably about one maybe nott quarter till two okay,

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and left see back home by you went back to Brilliant.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I was back home. I think it was like three.

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I was back home about three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: When David got back home, his wife was dyeing her hair.

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They decided to drive back over to Brad's, thinking he'd

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be home from the wedding by then. His daughter wanted

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to go with them because Brad's dog had a litter

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of puppies if she hadn't seen, and Cherry wanted Brad

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to see her new hair color. Why you ask, would

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a male family friend be interested in her hair?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's easy. You see, despite the fact that he

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now worked in a mine, he had a job before that,

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he was a hairdresser. And yes, Brad was gay. Since

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the Kinneys knew this and the detective was asking about

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Brad's relationships, David had this to say, I can't.

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Speaker 2: Tell you of one person I know that Brad would

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call on a basis to who said.

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Speaker 4: Uh uh.

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Speaker 12: Uh, Richard, Richie, like a fuck buddy or a boyfriend.

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Speaker 10: I think it was more along the lines of just

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a fucking buddy, okay, and that's who he was with recently.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's with him recently. I just

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know that they would. Brad would call him what he

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wanted him to come over? Were you over there when

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he came over? I think I was there once when

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he came by.

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Speaker 6: It what he looked like, uh, medium, highs athletic note,

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some tattoos.

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Speaker 1: And then there was a young guy named Scotty. Friends

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and family described Scotty as Brad's X, someone he was

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involved with not long before the murder. According to them,

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it didn't end well. Scotty had a drug problem and

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legal issues and Brad didn't need that in his life.

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Scotty wasn't happy when they broke up and even made

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some veiled threats. It looked like detectives might have found

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their suspect, but when they tracked Scotty down, he was

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already in jail, locked up for a probation violation, and

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that's where he was for the whole weekend of murder.

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Whatever happened to Brad, it wasn't Scottie. The more detectives

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questioned David, the more they found out about Brad and

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his relationships. Investigators had already spoken with Brad's friends and family,

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and they all hinted at yet another romantic involvement. Someone

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Brad talked incessantly about during the weekend of the wedding,

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But David didn't seem to be aware of this person,

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or at least he didn't let on that he knew.

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Speaker 2: How long have you known Brad?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My eight years?

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Speaker 5: My daughter was.

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Speaker 2: Two when we first met. Where'd you mean, Brad? Coal

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mining classes? We carpooled. Would you say you were his

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best friend? Yes? Or you got real close with our families,

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got real close. We did days and gatherings and everything together.

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Your wife too. You can't remember for like what Christmas

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until Christmas? Thanksgiving? He certainly did the same with him.

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What's your kids going, uncle, Brad?

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Speaker 1: This was a breaking point for David. His kids called

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Brad uncle. He was part of the family, and he

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was David's best friend. The numbness was wearing off for

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David now, and the realization was setting in that Brad

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was gone forever.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it okay, I've just been trying to okay, all right,

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take some deep breath.

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Speaker 1: The detective and obviously people cry before, but it seemed

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like David had been holding a whole lot of tears

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back for some reason. He was a big lumberjack looking

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guy at least six feet tall, but in the police station,

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he was reduced to the sobs of a child over

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the loss of his best friend.

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Speaker 2: Guys are pretty close for you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir?

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Speaker 6: What uh?

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Speaker 2: How close?

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Speaker 4: Who are you?

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Speaker 2: And Brad? Very close? How close? Who are you? Guys?

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We're very close. I'm very best friend.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever lost a best friend? I'm sure it's

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really hard, but being best friends with someone and being

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really close to them are two kind of very different things.

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Speaker 2: David, you should be here's your stuff on your fence?

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Little questionable? Yes, kind of sounds like you and Brad

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were boyfriend boyfriend? Oh no, sir, remember boyfriend and boyfriend.

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It was kind of shocked us. You guys have sex together.

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Speaker 11: There's a few times in the past where you know,

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he's attempted a lot, and we've kind of moved around

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a little bit in the past.

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Speaker 1: But was it okay? David was married with kids, a wife,

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and a life built around routine and appearances. Brad was

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his best friend. According to detectives, that part didn't matter.

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This wasn't about judgment, It was about honesty.

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Speaker 2: He being one of the ball.

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Speaker 13: This is.

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Speaker 2: Between us. Yes, there's some stuff on your thing. Anybody

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know about you guys?

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Speaker 11: Uh, my wife doesn't that food around for I mean

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that was When was the last time he gets food around?

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Speaker 2: It's been a while, it hasn't been recently. I know

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what's on your phone? The guy the video he took

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the guys have his SAgs? Is that Brad you or video?

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I'm the the machinery uses.

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Speaker 11: Sir, I understand he brings all to the devices instead

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of the suck a whole food out there stuff he deleted.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I understand. So texting messages too, Yes, sir,

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I understand.

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Speaker 1: The text messages paint a picture of a whole lot

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more than friendship. Put it that way, it was a

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very deep, deep friendship, if you catch my drift. They

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were fucking basically. Not only did David try to minimize

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the activities and their relationship, but he also denied that

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these activities were sex.

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Speaker 2: When's the last time you had sex with him? We

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never had sex. We would just cool around, movie to

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there's like sung each other, hul jerk and jerky. What

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I mean, I didn't you know? I didn't. I never

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had a bad look job. It's are you ashamed about?

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Are you ashamed about?

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Speaker 6: It, But what.

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Speaker 2: Does it do? What does it know? Was was bradon

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love what you? David? I couldn't tell you that he

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was in love with you.

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Speaker 11: I mean we did the whole all right, but love me,

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I love you too, kind of thing like you could

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ask my son when we left Saturday.

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Speaker 1: So they told each other casually, love you, Bud. I

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don't know, but maybe that's what bros do in twenty seventeen.

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I'm really not sure. I'm really too old for that.

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But all the other stuff I'll tell you right now,

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that's not something bros too. Pretty sure, pretty sure about

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that one. The next question the detective asked was even

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more personal and would be an essential part of the investigation.

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Speaker 2: He said, us can him in his trash can?

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Speaker 8: That's going to laugh, Hey said, I don't feel in

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your DNA's going to be on that condom all this?

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Speaker 2: So sure, yes, sir, never so.

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Speaker 1: Brad and David may have been fooling around, to put

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it lightly, but DNA analysis confirmed he was telling the truth.

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The contents of the condoms were someone else's, maybe Richie,

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00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,640
a guy Brad would call sometimes for company, And it

474
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,119
wasn't like Brad was slotting around in fact, he didn't

475
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,039
want another boyfriend. He wanted David, but David asked him

476
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,880
to find boyfriends from time to time, almost like decoys,

477
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,799
to keep people from knowing about the two of them.

478
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,960
So the police would check into this Richie lead and

479
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:29,160
anyone else who might have been there recently. But for now,

480
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,039
the detectives would squeeze as much as they could out

481
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:33,519
of David.

482
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: How many times, for how long it was oftome home?

483
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,440
For a long time. It was just kind of like

484
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:43,400
a do you hear tell you had feelings for you?

485
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 11: It was a while back he came out and you

486
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:50,880
know it was me and my wife births, Me and

487
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,160
my wife he come out to.

488
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: At one point in time, I did have feelings where

489
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,039
they said, I understand that you're marrying your kids. And

490
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:00,839
my wife was part of that whole Does she does

491
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,640
she know? You guys ever did anything together? What was

492
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,920
the last time you guys didn't do anything together? Oh,

493
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:13,640
it's been a little while.

494
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,319
Speaker 1: When asked to clarify, it turns out that a little

495
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:21,240
means a few weeks, if you believe them, that is.

496
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:26,480
And when asked the burning question, David said that one

497
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,640
thing was off limits at least that's what he said.

498
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,799
Then again, he lied a lot to his wife and kid,

499
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:37,279
to everyone.

500
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: Actually never had any that the one thing that was

501
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:46,759
kind of big. He tried to get me an eye,

502
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:52,759
totally want to. He tried to, yesked to do him

503
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,400
in the butt. He just asked me to.

504
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 9: To have sex.

505
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: You that point. No, never, sir, okay, Well, so you

506
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,400
sure it's not your DNA on that cold sir? I

507
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,599
mean you didn't realize that it is or it isn't.

508
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: The detective was good at making David relax, probably not

509
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:19,160
as good as Brad was, but I digress. He needed

510
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,039
all the information to get to the bottom of what

511
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,680
was becoming a mystery. No detail was untouchable, as personal

512
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,880
and as explicit as it might be. But there was

513
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,680
one thing that David was particularly concerned about his wife

514
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:38,920
finding out. And this was odd because all of Brad's

515
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,240
friends seemed to think she already knew about her husband's

516
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:43,119
affair with him.

517
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,359
Speaker 8: But I don't know who one have told you that

518
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,759
she knows four different people unrelated, No, sir, I told

519
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,079
damn no, sir, will do this, sir.

520
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,039
Speaker 2: Brad lost all that weight because he wanted to keep

521
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,240
you no, sir, my wife has no idea about business,

522
00:33:58,759 --> 00:33:59,480
the gentle labor.

523
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:05,079
Speaker 11: No, sir, he's even told me before, like I understand,

524
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,880
you're not going to leave your wife and kids.

525
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: This interview made soap operas seem boring. So Brad is

526
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,400
in love with David and David is married to a

527
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,360
woman with kids. David and Brad are best friends, though,

528
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,599
and David appreciates the friendship as well as the favors

529
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,079
Brad does for him. Cookouts, holidays and barbecues, a little

530
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:33,559
smoke and a lot of heat. But the interrogation room

531
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,880
was a pressure cooker and the detective was about to

532
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,559
crank it up to eleven. David was brought in as

533
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,880
a witness, but he was starting to look like something else.

534
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: You got this wall.

535
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:49,079
Speaker 10: Oh that's not my hand on that guy's ass having

536
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,360
sex a thing? But look, is there some other ado

537
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,880
with your tattoo? No, sir, he showed me that picture. Yeah,

538
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,719
I wish you would I picture of it.

539
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: He's coming. I'll show you. It's you. Oh my god,

540
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,320
you know that's good. It's but it's you. I mean

541
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,360
he's took a making the ship. Oh, no, sir, but

542
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,559
I've never taken any pictures. I mean he's having sex

543
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,320
with something. If I have pictures on my phone, me

544
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,360
fucking my wife.

545
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,079
Speaker 1: David was telling the truth about that. The picture of

546
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,960
the detective was describing happened to be a picture of

547
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:29,000
David having sex with his wife. Not a man easy

548
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:36,679
to mistake, I guess, depending on the ankle yikes. So far,

549
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,039
David hadn't confessed. The killer may have been someone else,

550
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,760
but David still had some explaining to do, and it

551
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,400
was complicated when he had so much more to hide.

552
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: See he drew buys.

553
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 11: How she didn't stop, Sir, I drove by his house

554
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,800
and he was not on my player and it's in

555
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,639
my phone.

556
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: Sir, listen, drew while he wasn't who how long were

557
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,519
you there? I wasn't there that long? How long I could?

558
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: I don't know.

559
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: This is oh my, you're telling me just drew by?

560
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,000
Did you stop? I drew by the house. I pulled

561
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,599
it off. He was not who. We're talking seconds, minutes,

562
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,519
a couple of minutes, that's it. I was. I even

563
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,079
sat there on my phone. I sat there on my phone.

564
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: David said this occurred after he went to Rural King.

565
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:33,679
He stopped by Brad's waited around for a few minutes

566
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,920
and then went home.

567
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 7: You guys really too, David Kevin, Yeah, I was really

568
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:52,880
think seriously.

569
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:56,639
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you that. Tell you, David,

570
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:59,679
look at me. I'm tell you. I know I know

571
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:04,840
something to do with What else could it be?

572
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, I understand it.

573
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: It's once. I've known the man eight years right now,

574
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,800
they're GPS, GPS in your whole day, eight years? How

575
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,599
long you were at that house? Entertain right now it's

576
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,719
your chance to get in front of this. Yes, sir,

577
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,239
you're not the type of guy that would do something

578
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:26,480
like it.

579
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:27,519
Speaker 4: No, sir, I would not.

580
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:29,679
Speaker 2: Your There's got to be something to it.

581
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: I got to be a reason.

582
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 5: Oh my god, this would not do this.

583
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: You're a father, yes, sir, you're a husband. Yes, sir,

584
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,639
you could get in front of this. Tell me what

585
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,760
happened for I gotta put it together. Oh my god,

586
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,320
we got it all. It's on the phone. I know, sir,

587
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:52,800
we're there, we know exactly when he was killed. Yes, sir,

588
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,440
I know you were there when he was killed. No, sir,

589
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,599
I wasn't at his house when that man was murdered. Sir,

590
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,199
I can't. This is the kind of gets people in trouble.

591
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,719
Oh my god, I know had to get with it, sir,

592
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,559
What do you want me?

593
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you anyway.

594
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:09,519
Speaker 5: I don't know what happened.

595
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,599
Speaker 11: Oh my god, there's nothing I'm.

596
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,079
Speaker 5: Not telling you.

597
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: I didn't want to kill bred. I didn't kill bad

598
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,480
Oh my god. No, school.

599
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about the rest of you, fellow CIS

600
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,519
males out there, but listening to mister Mackie here wail uncontrollably,

601
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:39,880
is a little uncomfortable. Either David was hiding something huge

602
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,280
or he was the killer. By the way, what are

603
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,559
the awards soap operas give out the daytime Emmys? David

604
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,440
gets a daytime emmy. Remember how a minute ago he said,

605
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,400
I'll tell you everything. He was just about to do that.

606
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,079
Speaker 2: But what I saw her, what I read, what I've

607
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:03,440
been trained to read. What I saw, what I believe.

608
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 8: There's somebody panicked and opened all the drawers in the

609
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,679
house to make it look like something, and it was

610
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,679
like shit, shit, shitchit.

611
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: What do I do, sir?

612
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 8: But it only you look me straight eye you, and

613
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,840
I won't tell you if you had anything to do

614
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:18,519
with Brad's death.

615
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: We will bring you.

616
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: To you, I know.

617
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 8: So listen to me now, and listen to me cood

618
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,039
like you never listen to anybody in your whole life.

619
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: You understand. Yes, I probably won't get a little grief

620
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,599
over this, but I I got a theory. I think

621
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:37,760
it might have been an accident.

622
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:42,119
Speaker 1: David is unraveling, but even now he denies that he

623
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,320
killed Brad. Instead, he starts to talk about that day,

624
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,760
and now it sounds like maybe there's more to this

625
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,000
than anyone realized.

626
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,559
Speaker 2: Brad called me. He wanted me to meet up with

627
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,320
him at his house before you and the wife and

628
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,199
kids came out. Great. So I went to his house

629
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,800
and I sat there and I waited on him, and

630
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:10,159
I waited on and he shows up. He had another

631
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,440
guy with him. I don't know who he was. I

632
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,880
don't know his name. I swear it on everything right now.

633
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,480
What happened?

634
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,559
Speaker 11: He was to get out of the car I been

635
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,840
walking over bratsipt Brood, unload the back of his BMW,

636
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,760
And what happened.

637
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: This is the hor report, isn't it.

638
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 6: David?

639
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 5: Let go?

640
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: I can't look at me. Let it go. Let it

641
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,280
off that chest. You'll feel better. I guarantee you God.

642
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 5: You heard a good shot you.

643
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,039
Speaker 2: And what happened? I wanted one call.

644
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 13: Like I came running out of the garage, Okay, did

645
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,639
you get the Brad's BMW okay?

646
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: And then I left, Oh, okay, okay, it's okay. He

647
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:22,400
knew what I look like. He my vehicle was there.

648
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 5: I did not know what to do.

649
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,599
Speaker 1: At one point after Detective alar here's about the third person.

650
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,039
He turns, starts the camera and makes a what the

651
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:32,480
fuck kind of face.

652
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,679
Speaker 3: So one of the first stories he gave me was, oh,

653
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000
well I was there and this mysterious person was with

654
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,519
Brad and I heard a gun shot, so I left,

655
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,440
and I'm like, okay, well, David has said, so you

656
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:52,800
hear gunshot your dear friends inside, you think something's going on,

657
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,920
so you leave, you go home, you get your wife

658
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,320
and kid and come back.

659
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: And he's like, uh, well, this is what happened.

660
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:05,679
Speaker 3: So then he's like, well, I was in the basement

661
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,440
and this guy who got out of Brad's car and

662
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,519
you know, uh, he just went crazy and he shot

663
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,360
Brad and he put a gun to my head and

664
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,840
told me if I said anything, I'm next. I'm like Okay,

665
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,639
so you go home, you leave there this mysterious one

666
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,599
arm man and he didn't really have one arm in

667
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:31,079
the story. That's a that's a reference to the fugitive.

668
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,039
I said, so, he says, say so, so this guy

669
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,360
kills Brad, tells him he's going to kill.

670
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 4: You, and you leave.

671
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,039
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I said, so you go home and

672
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,480
get your family and come back to find Brad's body. Why.

673
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: It was still possible that David had just been a bystander,

674
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:54,599
but with every new detail that was less and less likely.

675
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,599
Speaker 5: So Wi God, I kept saying, I need to hola copster,

676
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,639
you need to call you need to cola comps.

677
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: I didn't know what happened.

678
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 14: Okay you're telling me now, oh I go.

679
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: Do you know why this guy shot? Sir? What Brad saying?

680
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: It was time to call David out on his bullshit?

681
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,199
Speaker 4: Listen this on.

682
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Now we got a what our manage shows up?

683
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 7: To My God, the evidenced this guy wasn't there.

684
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: There was where did he go? Did he fly else?

685
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,760
What else would I have got to shove?

686
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: No, Sir, I swear to God, Sir, I swear to God.

687
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,039
Speaker 2: Glafi because you gotta get struck a light.

688
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 7: Oh my god, this is all that I'm from there

689
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:56,159
on me now because you did it, Sir, I did.

690
00:43:56,159 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: Not killed my friend, David. Listen, I like I told

691
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,159
John's all with you there for a while, Sir, I

692
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,880
did not kill my best friend. You cannsult me.

693
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 5: I did not.

694
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:13,079
Speaker 2: I'm killing him, Sir. I don't know what your wife, no, sir? Sure, yes, sir,

695
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,159
I'm gonna goad to go ask her. No, sir, that's fine.

696
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: The detective was using every tactic he had, and still

697
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,480
David insisted that he wasn't Brad's killer.

698
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,639
Speaker 2: I mean, list love with each other, you guys having

699
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:33,599
a beer at a bar? What the fuck? What the fuck?

700
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: Indeed, I mean you can do whatever you want, and

701
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,960
I hope you uh have the right to do whatever

702
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,199
you want and all of the rights that everyone else has,

703
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:48,519
of course, but uh still you right Next, he points

704
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:52,320
out that the chief of police lives on Brad Street

705
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,320
and happens to have cameras everywhere. He tells Brad that

706
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,719
if he pulls out that footage, he's pretty sure he'll

707
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,760
see you. BMW pull into the driveway and Brad will

708
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,920
be in it. But the seat next to him will

709
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,719
be empty. He had just given David numerous opportunities to

710
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,920
be truthful, his life actually depended on it, but David

711
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,880
just wouldn't be straight with him. Pun intended.

712
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,039
Speaker 2: I'm not talking because I like to hear me talk.

713
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,960
I mean, this is a serious, God your shit. You

714
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:28,760
got to see that, the things you.

715
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 10: Keep telling me, and listen, I'm at the point out

716
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,400
I don't think that you're telling me this.

717
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,559
Speaker 2: Stuff because you care about what I think. I'm gonna

718
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,559
tell you something I still don't hook. You're not an ask.

719
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,039
I'm thinking you can't admit it to yourself what happened because.

720
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,159
Speaker 8: You immediately made up this grand of your story right away,

721
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:55,360
and you believed it. You believed it, You made yourself

722
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,159
believe it because you can't live with yourself about what happened.

723
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: It seems your best friend, he loved him. He was

724
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:03,840
more than your friend. He was your heart. Wasn't he

725
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,039
and Brad loved each other?

726
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 8: But you love you was in my heart. You love

727
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,679
this man, and there's no shame in it. You understand,

728
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,159
there ain't no shame in loving somebody, no matter what

729
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,039
color they are. They got a dig or three bussies

730
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:19,880
he doesn't matter.

731
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:22,199
Speaker 2: You love them, You love them.

732
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: Those are some pearls of wisdom right there. Finally, it

733
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,320
seemed like David was ready to confront himself and tell

734
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,360
the detectives what actually happened.

735
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:39,199
Speaker 2: Tell me what happened. He's probably me and Brad. We

736
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,800
were really close. I love him, not like I do

737
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:45,360
my wife.

738
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,039
Speaker 9: You know what I mean.

739
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: But I know I love him. What I want you

740
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,880
to know for I didn't shoot him. To New show,

741
00:46:55,199 --> 00:47:00,920
I did not shoot him. Tell me what happened. Somebody

742
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,840
did shoot Tell me what happened.

743
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: David tells them that while he's at Brad's, a man

744
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,519
he doesn't know comes into the place and starts an argument,

745
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:14,400
and Brad accuses him of taking money. It turns violent.

746
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 2: Because I said, I'm gonna run this full shit down.

747
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,639
You can say no more. Tell me, sir, what's like?

748
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,280
Shoot him? I can't bring myself to shoot anybody.

749
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 11: Okay, there's a big fucking argument between whose dick is

750
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,599
bigger and the money?

751
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,199
Speaker 2: Okay with is this guy real? Yes, sir, Yes, sir,

752
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,320
that guy is real. He and Brad have argued about

753
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,800
it before.

754
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,639
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he means that he and Brad argued about

755
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,079
this guy before. I wonder what they argued about. Not sure.

756
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:54,400
In any case, it was another false lead. The detective

757
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,440
was again sure that footage would show only two people

758
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:02,039
on three pot fifty eight Wagner Avenue that day, Brad

759
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,159
and David. This was a personal issue between the two

760
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,920
of them, and Detective Alaar had a theory it involved

761
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000
stolen money, which was one of the few truths in

762
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:15,000
David's story.

763
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,039
Speaker 2: This is a fucking TV movie of the ship stuff here. Listen,

764
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:26,079
I'm worry. Here's what I think happened. Anything did this

765
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:30,280
guy here that you're coming up with and creating. Okay,

766
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:34,679
I'm thinking this is your putting all your guilt into

767
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,360
this guy because you can't live with yourself of what happened.

768
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 8: Brad's met at this guy, and you're met at this

769
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,000
guy for stealing Brad's money. Brad eccues to you stealing

770
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:46,639
this money if you neither didn't, it's irrelevant what Brad.

771
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: Excues to you taking your money. You were so upset

772
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,920
that demanding love thought you excuse to you and he's dead.

773
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:59,519
Speaker 8: You totally don't all your guilt and your accountability into

774
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:00,000
this dude.

775
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,039
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist. Okay, that's some crazy ship man. I

776
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,840
never seen anybody so upset or similar cells that they

777
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,880
went to this extreme.

778
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: This was yet another lie, and there was still one

779
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,000
lie left, this one David hadn't said out loud, not

780
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:56,880
yet anyway. Two men in Ohio. David is straight, allegedly

781
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:01,960
married and has children, and his best friend Brad is gay.

782
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,719
Somewhere along the way, their friendship crosses a line into

783
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,119
a sexual affair. All of Brad's friends know this Dj,

784
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:14,400
this man Brad is in love with. But is David

785
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:19,360
in love with Brad? This may never be known. He

786
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,360
claims he loves him, but not like he loves his wife.

787
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,440
They all say David's wife is onto the whole thing,

788
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:30,519
but David insists she knows nothing other than David confessing

789
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:33,360
to her that Brad has told him how he feels

790
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,320
about him. But hey, honey, no worries. He tells her,

791
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,119
I'm not going anywhere and there's nothing going on between us.

792
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,840
Winky face, winky face. Now Brad is dead and it's

793
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,599
looking very much like David is the killer. At the

794
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,440
very least, he was present during the time of the murder,

795
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,119
so he's either guilty of being an accomplice since he

796
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:01,039
waited to call police, or he's just all the way around.

797
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,320
In any case, he knew Brad was lying face down

798
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,280
in a pool of blood, dead of gunshot wounds to

799
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,119
his head in his basement. And what does David do.

800
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,199
He takes his wife and younger daughter to the house,

801
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,280
pretending he doesn't know any of this. He subjects his

802
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,960
young daughter to the trauma of seeing dead uncle Brad.

803
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:26,559
But after all the stories and all the lies, Detective

804
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:30,599
of Laar was closing in and David was about to

805
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,079
reveal the final version of his truth.

806
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,159
Speaker 14: He took your own daughter past the body the man

807
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,400
he knew he was dead. And maybe I don't know

808
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,000
if your waves evolved with her or not yet. Okay,

809
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,599
we're gonna find out. We're gonna find this out very shortly.

810
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,679
Do you understand to what You're gonna look in the

811
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,079
eye and tell you. Listen, if I had to tell

812
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,960
her about you and Brad or on iron, she already knows.

813
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,519
That's what I kept being told today.

814
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: And listen, people that I'm talking to, nine team's talking.

815
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 12: To they don't know each other. Yes, okay, it's like

816
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,079
Brad's friend from when he was a hairdresser, and he

817
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:16,599
worked at a gyms lawn. That doesn't know Brad's cousin

818
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,360
who came in from Florida.

819
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: Who talk to Brad about all the problems he's having

820
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,599
with you at the wedding.

821
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:31,559
Speaker 14: Okay, and wait for it, Brad abruptly leaves his dinner

822
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,199
with his family, saying he's going to meet Guess.

823
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,599
Speaker 2: Who who's he going to meet.

824
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 8: He's not going to pick up another dude to bring

825
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,960
to your house, he says, he's going to meet with

826
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:44,519
you because he wants.

827
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,079
Speaker 2: To have sex with you.

828
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:48,679
Speaker 1: You heard Detective of Law ask if David's wife, Sherry

829
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:53,119
was involved. That brings in a whole new layer of suspicion,

830
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,280
though she was never brought in as a suspect. There

831
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,840
could only be one reason she would know about this

832
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,760
and go along with her husband having a gay affair.

833
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,119
The reason is the same reason people have been doing

834
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:09,840
shady things for millennia. Do I have to spell it out?

835
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:11,159
Speaker 2: Yeah?

836
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's money. It's money, the root of all evil.

837
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:19,119
You know all that. Apparently Brad paid for all kinds

838
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:22,039
of things for the Kenney family, not just for David.

839
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:27,119
He provided elaborate birthday parties for the kids, bought them

840
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,440
household gifts, took them out to eat a lot and

841
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:31,840
get this.

842
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 3: So one of the things you found out was that,

843
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:41,519
you know, Brad was essentially a part of David's family.

844
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,119
The kids called him Uncle Brad. He paid for a

845
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:51,840
lot of things for the Kennis vacations, birthday parties, things

846
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,760
of that nature. Both Sherry and David told us that

847
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,920
they were getting ready to go on a cruise together,

848
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,280
all of them together, which you think, you know, you're

849
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,360
going on a cruise with your wife and your your lover.

850
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,840
At the same time, that made us kind of wonder

851
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,760
about Sherry, you know, did she know this was going on?

852
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,519
Speaker 1: So, while Sherry's involvement is unconfirmed this day, that gun

853
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,000
is smoking. Speaking of guns, it definitely did not go

854
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,119
down the way Brad described. That was his last lie,

855
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,119
trying to say that Brad was waving it at him

856
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,599
and he felt threatened, so he took the gun from him.

857
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:36,400
But then what the threat is gone? Right, no more

858
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,440
gun pointing at him? So why shoot him? Not once

859
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:40,920
but twice?

860
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 13: Was like our situation him, I love my wife and

861
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,519
kids to death. You love Brad too, I did I mean,

862
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,880
we're tight, man, real tight. Sometimes you think about the

863
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,920
being a white friend. Okay, I told him numerous times.

864
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,039
Then I'm not gonna leave my wife. May come to.

865
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:15,599
Speaker 2: The conclusion that he understood. Okay, but uh, I told him.

866
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:20,559
I said, it seems we're gonna have to start to stop.

867
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:21,920
No doubt.

868
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,599
Speaker 1: It was hard, as David put it, but self defense

869
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,760
was out of the question. He tried to allege that

870
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,800
Brad was slapping him around before pointing the gun in

871
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,840
his direction. Keep in mind that Brad was about a

872
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,840
foot shorter than David, and not only was David a

873
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,320
big guy, a bear, you might say, it was also

874
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,400
rugged and muscular. Unlike Brad. All he had to do

875
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,280
was walk out of the house.

876
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 11: He told me, he said, if you end all of

877
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,119
this now, then I'm done with you forever.

878
00:55:58,599 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: He said, that's it.

879
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 11: I said, you know, we can't just drop each other

880
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:07,760
like his. You're my best friend, your best friend. This

881
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,159
one said, leave your wife. He said, this is being

882
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:14,239
going on for too long. Lead your wife.

883
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: I told him. I said, I'm done. I'm not doing

884
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:18,800
this more.

885
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 6: I'm done.

886
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: David claimed that Brad was guilt tripping him and accusing

887
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,360
him of playing with his emotions that he couldn't believe

888
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,360
he wouldn't leave his wife. David claimed he never said

889
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,679
anything different than that, and Brad always knew. Maybe parts

890
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,000
of this version were true. Maybe David was the man

891
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:42,480
arguing with Brad. Brad wanted him to leave his wife,

892
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:46,280
but David refused, and rather than split up and risk

893
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,519
their relationship being out it, he shot him in the head.

894
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,760
It's also possible that David was milking Brad for everything

895
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,039
he had, including stealing money from him. Someone had stolen money,

896
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:03,960
but the culprit was never proven, and maybe Brad finally

897
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,000
called him out on his thievery.

898
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,159
Speaker 2: Why you shoot him? He's coming at me with his gun?

899
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 6: Man?

900
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: What ill thought?

901
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,519
Speaker 2: You said? You took his gun from him? I did

902
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:19,320
so he had another gun. Call you take his gun

903
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,800
from him? Soon, he said, he shot him. Just then

904
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:25,360
tell me why he shot him. I felt threatened.

905
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you, he claimed, I'm not

906
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,000
gonna lie to you. Not only did David sit there

907
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:36,039
for hours and hours, telling one lie after another, but

908
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,760
his whole life was a lie. His whole marriage was

909
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,280
tainted with lies. If he felt threatened, it was because

910
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,840
he was scared he couldn't have his way, scared his

911
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,360
wife would leave him, or scared of admitting that maybe

912
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,480
he was actually gay.

913
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: Gasp.

914
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:56,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know it or not, but

915
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:00,719
it's twenty twenty five. Nobody gives a shit. Do whatever

916
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,679
you want. If you just don't lie to your family

917
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,119
and make them live a whole lie that they don't

918
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:10,840
even know about, you know, be a decent human being.

919
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,880
Detective of Lar promised David he'd let him know if

920
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,880
he had to tell his wife about the affair, assuming

921
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:24,280
she didn't already know. Well, that time had come. It

922
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,639
was time to tell his wife, my dall's going on.

923
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 9: I need to know that you have in my back

924
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:36,320
and then everything I'm going to use the truth from here, okay.

925
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,639
Speaker 2: And I love you and the kids, and don't I

926
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,920
want you to be there for me, okay.

927
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,599
Speaker 5: I had another gun.

928
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,519
Speaker 2: At the house. He had a twenty two there, and

929
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:53,559
you're I went to Brad's house to meet up with

930
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:54,400
the matter the wedding.

931
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,719
Speaker 9: He was flighting with me because he had some money

932
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,960
come up with this, and and I didn't taken Brad.

933
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,199
Speaker 2: I never stole money, nobody. He always gave me money

934
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,400
you have done to be fuck listening. Just listen to me.

935
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 9: I went to the house and I told him, I said,

936
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,440
listen from here now and it's just friends, you me,

937
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,360
and it can't be anything more else cause Brad his.

938
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: You know how Grandpa was with me. Okay, he looked,

939
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:22,440
he flipped out.

940
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:23,559
Speaker 9: Listen to me.

941
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: Please just let me talk, Cherry, will you please let

942
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,039
me talk? He flipped out on me and he granted

943
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:33,559
the twenty two diarring chirt and he before you even

944
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,320
did that, he saw me around a little bit. I

945
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,960
tried to him, this was it. Okay, Thick, you were

946
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:44,599
kid it listen, you.

947
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 9: Mat me with that gun. Okay, he can't back me

948
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,559
with that gun because I oh, he wanted me to

949
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,159
leave you guys, I told him. Then when he come

950
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:59,880
back me with that gun, no, no.

951
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:03,639
Speaker 2: Sherry, I was fine. Scared. I didn't know what to do.

952
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: I was scared.

953
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do.

954
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:13,559
Speaker 1: She knew. She knew. You can tell she may have

955
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:17,840
been lying to herself and everyone around her, but she

956
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:24,119
knew deep down. David was scared, but he wasn't scared

957
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:28,159
of Brad. He was scared of everything, but Brad. He

958
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,119
continued to lie repeatedly to his wife for the next

959
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,960
half an hour, only admitting what she probably already knew

960
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,599
that he and Brad had fooled around. But it had

961
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:43,320
been a while, he said, since they had. The only

962
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,920
real question she had for David was how long had

963
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,280
it been. She desperately wanted to know the last time

964
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,079
they had sex together, probably because she did know about

965
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:58,480
the affair, and David had likely made promises of stopping

966
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:04,239
before but didn't. But Sherry finally gave in and told

967
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,199
him she'd be there for him and to stay strong.

968
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,079
They embraced each other for a long hug, They kissed

969
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,840
several times. They told each other they loved each other,

970
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:17,679
and David went to jail.

971
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,159
Speaker 3: You know, I've had harder trials, but it was a

972
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:23,559
rough trial. We thought we had. You know, still think

973
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:25,639
we had a really good case, but you never know.

974
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,880
They never know what a jury's going to do. But

975
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,159
at the end of the day, you know, you present

976
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:34,960
a good case, you get a good result. And this

977
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:37,519
was a good case. I mean, everybody played by the rules,

978
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,679
colored in the lines. There was nothing out there that

979
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,559
we were worried about. I think David thought that his

980
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:48,079
self defense story would win the day, but it was

981
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:52,079
just so ridiculous that no one bought it. I know

982
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:57,559
one thing that that was talked about or prosecutor deciding

983
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:02,679
to charge David with aggravated We believed that's what it was.

984
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,320
But could we prove prior calculation and design? Can we

985
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:09,960
prove that he went there with the attention to kill?

986
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:14,039
There was a lot of evidence support that, but that

987
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:17,239
was definitely a hot topic issue with the trial and

988
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,400
defence counsel, who did an excellent job, really tried to

989
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,880
keep that from happening. But you know, the evidence won

990
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,360
the day and he was convicted on everything we cheme went.

991
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: Finally we get to the truth of what actually happened.

992
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,559
Here it is Brad was shot twice in the back

993
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:41,000
of the head. The first bullet entered near the crown

994
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,039
at a downward angle, as if he were turning or crouching.

995
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:49,079
He would have left after this one. The second one

996
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:53,400
hit lower, driving forward into a skull. He never saw

997
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,440
it coming. Brad was found face down in the basement,

998
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:01,599
lying in his blood near his hot up. There were

999
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,559
bruises on his face. His phone was still in his pocket.

1000
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,119
Nothing in the house had been stolen, but the drawers

1001
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:12,199
were open, like someone had tried to make it look

1002
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,639
that way. David Kenny would claim it was self defense

1003
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:18,960
and that Brad had confronted him, things had gotten heated

1004
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:23,760
and he pulled the trigger out of fear, but the

1005
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,199
evidence suggested a very different story. There were zero signs

1006
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:31,800
of a struggle, no defensive wounds, just two bullets to

1007
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,599
the back of the head, and David had brought the

1008
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:39,639
gun with him that day. To anyone's best guess, Brad

1009
01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:41,199
didn't even own a darringer.

1010
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: So mean, the only other thing about the scene that

1011
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:50,159
we had was that basement was very cluttered, and we

1012
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,239
knew at the time we were dealing with a small caliber,

1013
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:59,599
but we didn't know how small. But typically laws of averages,

1014
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,679
when you're dealing with a small caliber is probably going

1015
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:06,159
to be a twenty two. So we're looking for showcasings

1016
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:12,480
and I think for the next week we searched that basement.

1017
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:17,239
At one point we actually took everything out of that basement,

1018
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:24,960
every thing, every box, everything, period and look for showcasings.

1019
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:30,000
Never found any. So typically that'll tell us that you're

1020
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:34,519
probably dealing with a revolver or someone found the showcasings

1021
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:39,400
and picked him up. One of David's many stories was

1022
01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:44,559
that he took Brad's derringer off of AIM, which is

1023
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:48,679
a revolver or a contained weapon depending on the model

1024
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,800
and where the casings stay in the weapon after they're fired,

1025
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,800
and that's what he shot him with. But I, you know,

1026
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:03,599
I just don't know. I know, I believe that that

1027
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,199
David took a weapon there to kill Brad. You know,

1028
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:08,760
it was his plan to kill him. I mean, I

1029
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,880
think that the evidence supports that most definitely. So we

1030
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,519
don't know what kind of gun it was, just it

1031
01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:18,159
was a twenty two, not for sure to detectives.

1032
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:22,119
Speaker 1: It wasn't panic, it was fear. It was a plan.

1033
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:25,719
David claimed he chucked the gun in a certain location

1034
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,159
along the highway, but it was never found. We asked

1035
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:32,400
Detective of Lar for his take on David's character.

1036
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,159
Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of monster in everybody,

1037
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,800
and some are worse than others. And you know, like

1038
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:44,760
I said before, I understand, you know, I know I've

1039
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,199
been There's been several times in my life where if

1040
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,480
things blew a different way, I might have been capable

1041
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:52,880
of murder. I think everybody if they're honest with theirselves,

1042
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,079
they can they can agree with that. And you know,

1043
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,719
it's the fact that you got to you gotta tame

1044
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:03,480
your own monster, you know, and you get to that point,

1045
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,280
you know, you can either be a decent human being

1046
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,280
and you let the monster win. And in this case,

1047
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,480
you know, David Kenny, you let the monster win.

1048
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,199
Speaker 1: David Kinney, the Flaming Queen, was convicted of aggravated murder

1049
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,519
and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole,

1050
01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:26,880
plus three years for the firearm. His wife was cleared

1051
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,079
of any involvement with the murder. For a time, it

1052
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:33,880
appears she stayed by his side. They were still married

1053
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,239
for several years after his conviction, but by twenty twenty

1054
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,599
four her life had taken a different turn. Public posts

1055
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:47,199
suggested she eventually remarried, quietly moving on from the man

1056
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,679
at the center of one of Ohio's most intimate betrayals.

1057
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,760
There's no public word on how her children have coped,

1058
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,519
either by the loss of their dad or uncle Brad,

1059
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:03,280
but one can only hope they've had support and counseling

1060
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:08,519
needed to navigate away from something so ugly. This wasn't

1061
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:12,039
just a story about murder. It was a story about betrayal.

1062
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:16,719
It was about trust fractured across every layer of small

1063
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:21,920
town life. It was about the damage that a secret

1064
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:28,760
can do to a family when it's fed, protected, and

1065
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:58,239
finally exposed. That does it for another one. Go check

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01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,840
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