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<v Speaker 1>The promoted sides are falling to bits hauls. John cart

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<v Speaker 1>Right has got the shits he was given his P

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<v Speaker 1>forty five. North Wales don't look like they'll survive. The

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<v Speaker 1>NRL are on an offensive of charm. Will Huddersfield's big

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<v Speaker 1>loss do them any harm? Welcome to the eighteenth episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Poetry Sorry. Super League three sixty, a podcast primarily

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<v Speaker 1>about the top tier of British rugby league. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Lee Addison.

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<v Speaker 2>And my name is John Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also the host of the Rugby League Coach podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a coach in Australia, John Coacher a journalist in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK. But please read the description or listen to

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<v Speaker 1>old pods. Trying to make this intro shorter because we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot to get through today thanks to Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League dot Com who are running this podcast too. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can also listen to it on the Ashes Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League Rugby League Coach podcast platforms, as well as a

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League Coach YouTube channel. If you subscribe to those,

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<v Speaker 1>you won't miss a thing. John the Table. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>really do it in full yet because we're recording this

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<v Speaker 1>before Wigan played Castleford. We're doing that because Manchester City

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<v Speaker 1>are playing Arsenal and I refuse, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>put this on the record, I refuse to be bullied

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<v Speaker 1>by you into doing early mornings throughout the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the Super League season. So we'll have to get our

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<v Speaker 1>nostra damas hats on for the Wigan and Cast game.

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<v Speaker 1>But Wigan would basically need a win of approximately fifty

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<v Speaker 1>points to go above Leads at the top of the table.

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<v Speaker 1>If they've won at all, they'll be above wakefielding second,

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<v Speaker 1>and Wiki would drop to third, Saint Helens to fourth

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<v Speaker 1>because although sides are on twelve points after eight matches,

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<v Speaker 1>Warrington would drop to fifth on ten points. What won't

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<v Speaker 1>charge regardless of the result is basically the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the ladder from sixth down. A win from Cast by

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<v Speaker 1>anything less than twenty five points over Wigan we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>them go to eleventh. But otherwise the ladder from sixth

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<v Speaker 1>down right now, assuming Cast don't win, it's cataland sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>and only a big defeat for Wigan can change that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>are seven with eight points, Bradford, Hall, le f C

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<v Speaker 1>and Lee in that order on six points. Huddersfield then

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<v Speaker 1>York to lose and casts hold up everybody else at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the ladder on four points mate, my

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<v Speaker 1>laugh and the Rugby League tweet of the week was

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<v Speaker 1>directed at you. Adam on X under the name Bollos

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<v Speaker 1>one six eight four to two zero, with his seven

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<v Speaker 1>followers and lots of Rugby Union tweets, said to you,

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<v Speaker 1>he made friends with you this week. He said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the chances this British git hasn't been to

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<v Speaker 1>the dentist in ten years? Unquote your tweet of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a bit boring this week, John, with your tweets,

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't as you weren't as feisty as you know

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<v Speaker 1>where they are. I think you put it all into

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<v Speaker 1>your article. That's why ye saw this pattern with Toronto,

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<v Speaker 1>then Featherstone and Salford down North Wales and money oled

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<v Speaker 1>people were gaslighted and you were sharing your article for

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<v Speaker 1>the eepaper. So I guess that's a perfect segue into

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<v Speaker 1>us talking about what the hell is happening in North Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's a pretty horrendous situation. Effectively, this

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<v Speaker 2>company a Chaser, which is a father and son operation

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby and I run Watkins took over the club in

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<v Speaker 2>December twenty twenty four. Now I've been told that they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually given the club for free, so they took over.

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<v Speaker 2>They run a well there's a good question whether their

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<v Speaker 2>company is actually gone bus now, but they used to

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<v Speaker 2>run a rugby union. Kit and Seven's coaching and development

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<v Speaker 2>company they ran, so they took over the club over

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. They actually won the League One title

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<v Speaker 2>last year, but there are allegations of players who were

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<v Speaker 2>owed money at the end of the year and it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of spiraled this year and literally since I published

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<v Speaker 2>my story, which was you know, a lot of allegations

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<v Speaker 2>of people owed money by these two, there's been more

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<v Speaker 2>people from the North Wales side come forward and say

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<v Speaker 2>they're owned money, whether they bought kit or they worked

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<v Speaker 2>for the club and weren't paid the wages at their

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<v Speaker 2>own It's a bit of a I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>one of their exemployees described it to me, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a Ponzi scheme because they're taking money for

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<v Speaker 2>all different areas and then maybe either funneling into one

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<v Speaker 2>other or into their back pockets. Obviously allegedly. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>be clear, we don't want to get sued but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you read my article and some of the follow

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<v Speaker 2>ups on Patreon as well, it's it's just a terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>terrible situation. A lot of people have been ripped off,

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable people, families, people had money to Players at North

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<v Speaker 2>Wales have been treated horrendously. I've spoken to some of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Story that did well, not the story I did with

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<v Speaker 2>Brad England, but Brad England and forward he played last weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get paid. I got an injury to his eye.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not shy, you can have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>that image. He's eyes all green, and then that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good question. I don't know. I have reached out to

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<v Speaker 2>him and I haven't heard back, but yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't work this week and you know he's self employed.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just kind of horrendous from the player welfare

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<v Speaker 2>side as well as everything else. And the RFL has

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly refused to comment one me this. They've not really

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<v Speaker 2>taken any action, you know. People my sources say they've

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<v Speaker 2>not had any support from the RFL. So it's just

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<v Speaker 2>another car crash. Another another rugby league club car crash.

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<v Speaker 2>To add to Salford Toronto, Featherston Halifax the Super League Crusaders.

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<v Speaker 2>What fourteen years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we just go on London Scholars have gone. Has

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<v Speaker 1>things stand today? Do the North Wales Crusaders still exist?

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<v Speaker 2>They still exist as it stands. What Sunday morning? They

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to play this weekend in an eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five Cup game against Midlands that was canceled. Now the

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<v Speaker 2>players have still not been paid. I don't think they've

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<v Speaker 2>trained last week. I think they've refused to train. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they will. I mean it's possible they will

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<v Speaker 2>get paid, but I don't think they will get paid.

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<v Speaker 2>As I understand that players can leave if you've not

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<v Speaker 2>been paid a monthly age twenty days after that point

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<v Speaker 2>when you're supposed to be paying, you're a free agent,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can leave. So players have told me that

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<v Speaker 2>they've asked to leave. They've then been threatened by allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>by the club, but they will be effectively free agents

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<v Speaker 2>in what are we another eight days? I think roughly.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think it's very unlikely that the club

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<v Speaker 2>will play another game, and I think they will go

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<v Speaker 2>bust maybe this week. There are what I've been told,

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<v Speaker 2>there are two different groups who want to take over

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<v Speaker 2>the clubs, and one who's connected to the former owners,

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<v Speaker 2>another one who's connected to some Rexer based businessmen. But

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<v Speaker 2>my understanding is that EDG Chaser, so Bobby Watkins Whatkins

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<v Speaker 2>are holding out for money from those groups to take

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<v Speaker 2>over the club, but believe to be a one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds. So yeah, it's it's a terrible situation, not

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<v Speaker 2>only and also just the way that these two have operated.

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<v Speaker 2>So they put out statements on Facebook or on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>but they close all the comments so none of the

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<v Speaker 2>fans can comment. The players aren't really told anything. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a that's what I say about people being gas lit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just gas lighting of fans, of players, of staff.

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<v Speaker 2>And the governing body is nowhere near to help either.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been it's quite surprising how many fans Rugby League,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm general or god League fans like, what are the

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<v Speaker 2>RFL is supposed to do? It's not their problem. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if the owner of RFL doesn't actually govern the sport,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah exactly. Then let me let me put this clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not blaming the RFL for the you know, fraud

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<v Speaker 2>and rip off of these people, but they approve these owners,

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<v Speaker 2>like they had to test whether these owners were were

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<v Speaker 2>right to bring in to take over the club. They

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<v Speaker 2>approve them, and they also could take action when these

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<v Speaker 2>allegations of payment come forward. You could you could punish

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<v Speaker 2>the club, You could deduct points, you could say well

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<v Speaker 2>you know you have to do this, or we'll kick

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<v Speaker 2>you out of competition. There are things that the government

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<v Speaker 2>body could do which they don't do. They just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wash their hands and look away, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you know about the England coach situation? John?

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<v Speaker 2>To be completely honest, I've not really followed that that

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<v Speaker 2>closely because of the North Wales story and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>tee up in an interview with Andrew Abdough which I had

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday. But yeah, I think of the candidates, I

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<v Speaker 2>think probably Brad Arthur is the slight favorate that seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be the noises. I think it'd be probably unusual

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<v Speaker 2>for Steve mcnamurray to get the job, considering he's had

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<v Speaker 2>it before.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you go I've also just been appointed to all

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<v Speaker 1>left say you'd think you'd want to focus on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll talk, we'll talk about that. I think Brian

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<v Speaker 2>McDermott would be a strong Canada. I only think the

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Sinfield things interesting because I don't think Kevin Sinfield

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<v Speaker 2>and Brian McDermott were particularly close in that Leeds era.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ever watched the I'm trying to remember, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's as good as it gets, the documentary on

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<v Speaker 2>the Leeds Rhinos Golden Run. You can clear there were

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<v Speaker 2>you could see there was clear divisions between you know

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<v Speaker 2>the likes of say Rob Burrow and some of the players.

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<v Speaker 2>With Brian McDermott, I think obviously he's a very line

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<v Speaker 2>coach and he got massive success. You know, no one

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<v Speaker 2>won has one more in Brian McDermott. But whether that

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<v Speaker 2>would work with the England team, I don't know. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>the the RFL wants to take that supposed risk, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. And then obviously, yeah, what the other ones

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<v Speaker 2>were Burgess, poor ROLI obviously poor Roley of very experienced

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<v Speaker 2>coach Sam Burgers not But you could argue I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to an former international this week, you know, saying about

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<v Speaker 2>international game, it's just about keeping you know this more

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<v Speaker 2>league as you've been involved in national things. Just keeping

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<v Speaker 2>players happy, isn't it. It's not like it's more of

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<v Speaker 2>a motivational than a tactical sort of coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve McNamara, men, I'll talk about that now because nice segue.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a new one off segment of Introduced. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>Lee's Tweet of the Week because I don't tweet as

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<v Speaker 1>much as you, and the judge of this is me.

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<v Speaker 2>So the.

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<v Speaker 1>Treatment of John cart Right is an absolute disgrace. The

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<v Speaker 1>way they've handled it is also an absolute disgraced. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I tweeted this on Wednesday. I think or players,

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<v Speaker 1>players and fans not happy interim coach, hardly crash hot record.

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<v Speaker 1>JC was right to call them out. They are a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>All the best to Steve mack in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>not his mess, Jesus Christ all that. Well, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>there was something I saw on LinkedIn which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>go on off and I think it's a wank fest.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw a lady and I just forgot to

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<v Speaker 1>take a record of a name, and she said, from

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<v Speaker 1>my research across NRO organizations, what looks like under performance

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<v Speaker 1>is often shaped long before game day. Unstable environments, unclear accountability,

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<v Speaker 1>constant evaluation, and a lack of backing and support create

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<v Speaker 1>conditions where failure is not just possible, it's likely. We

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<v Speaker 1>keep changing the person without changing the conditions. Until organizations

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<v Speaker 1>take responsibility for the environments they create and protect the

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<v Speaker 1>people within them, we'll keep seeing the same cycle play out,

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<v Speaker 1>Seabolt got punted at Manly with Hull. I know there's

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<v Speaker 1>claim and some counterclaims now on the sewer that is X,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's some undeniable farks wrapped up in some of

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<v Speaker 1>my opinions. Basically, in that tweet I did, I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the treatment of John Cartwright. It's never easy to

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<v Speaker 1>sack a coach, John, full stop. There's no good way,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no bad way. Look, John Cartwright was blindsided by this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's on the record of saying he felt portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>and disrespected, and I don't think that's any way to

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<v Speaker 1>awful and it shows that communication is very much likely

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<v Speaker 1>not what he should be in that organization. This kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff doesn't happen in good and strong organizations. Strong

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<v Speaker 1>order organizations have integrity, strength of relationship, and they have honesty.

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<v Speaker 1>From top to bottom. John Cartwright has had eight rounds, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and based on your rumors that you that you heard

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago, he may have had four or

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<v Speaker 1>five rounds before this year, before the decision was started

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<v Speaker 1>to starting to emerge that they were going to go

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<v Speaker 1>after Steve McNamara, and he was only appointed after it

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<v Speaker 1>was only appointed ahead of last season, right. So he

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<v Speaker 1>got them to seven three points off the playoffs last year,

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<v Speaker 1>a thirteen and thirteen record, thirteen wins, thirteen losses, one draw,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the best hole of done under one coach.

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<v Speaker 1>And I emphasized one coach because they've had different scenarios,

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<v Speaker 1>but when they've had one coach, that's the best they've

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<v Speaker 1>done since twenty twenty one. So Cartwright had a very

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<v Speaker 1>promising first year. The year before he arrived, they finished

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<v Speaker 1>eleventh and a twelfteen competition and had won seven games

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<v Speaker 1>and drew one and lost nineteen. In twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>they finished tenth with ten wins and seventeen losses, so

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<v Speaker 1>hardly a sensational on field performance. Over the last few years.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that I've just described was under Tony Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd been there since the start of twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>he had eighteen months in charge and he is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest coaches in Super League history in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of title wins, which will bring me to Steve McNamara

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment. We first let's go back to April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four and that was when Richie Mihler arrived as

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, mate, he's the big cheese under him.

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<v Speaker 1>They appointed John Cartwright. That was one month after he

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<v Speaker 1>became director of Rugby, so within one month of Mile

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<v Speaker 1>had been in that chair, he got rid of Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and appointed John Cartwright. That was in May of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>so very similar to now. Basically now that should send

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<v Speaker 1>warning signs to Steve McNamara. Now, John Cartright had a

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<v Speaker 1>very good coaching CV including Origin as an assistant, successful

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<v Speaker 1>Origin campaigns. He's been a Premiership winner as an assistant,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's also the best coaching Titan short history. So

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<v Speaker 1>they went with a plan for John Cartwright and like that,

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<v Speaker 1>lady said, who's the name was? Academic? I mentioned earlier

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<v Speaker 1>when do they become accountable for what they do? So

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<v Speaker 1>they had a multi year contracts for John Cartwright, and

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<v Speaker 1>now they've scrapped it, and they scrapped it after eight

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<v Speaker 1>rounds of the second season. As we record this year,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in Night after three wins, and one of them

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<v Speaker 1>was over lead to were many people's favorites for the title,

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<v Speaker 1>and other over Bradford when Bradford was still in there

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<v Speaker 1>their face where they still had some adrenaline running around

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<v Speaker 1>the first few. Yeah, yeah, it was actually yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>the cataline and the catalans as well, which isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>bad victory in context when this room is about John

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<v Speaker 1>Cartwright started. They lost by one point to York. Did

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<v Speaker 1>Willie Peters get sacked from hok Arthur losing one by

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<v Speaker 1>one point to York?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, Well I'm on a minute, right, you've said

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different situation, right, but look how much John

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<v Speaker 1>Cartwright improved them last year. If you're a teacher and

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<v Speaker 1>you get a kid who's a knee in math, let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you get them into a D as a

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<v Speaker 1>new teacher, that's just as good as a teaching performance.

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<v Speaker 1>If you get a kid from a B to an A, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I don't think it's as different as it

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<v Speaker 1>looks in terms of it looks very different in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of silverware. But it's improvement, isn't it. And who got

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<v Speaker 1>hammered at Wigan this year? But that's hardly a rare

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<v Speaker 1>thing for some clubs. Right, A close loss against Wakefield

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<v Speaker 1>who are trending really well, and they lost in a

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<v Speaker 1>close game to Lee Away in the Cup. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>both those games Wakefield and Lee were after the rumors

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<v Speaker 1>had started Steve McNamara as a hometown boy, I get that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think that's that. I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 1>ten overseas players in most Super League scites this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Who gives a flying flamingo where the coach is from? Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's he going to do? Talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>streets of Hull.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just interjet just briefly, and I'll let you

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<v Speaker 2>get back to you. Right. I think the point, my

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<v Speaker 2>point is, my understanding is it's not to do with results.

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<v Speaker 2>They've not got rid of John cart right because of results.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a difference of opinion. It's a clash

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<v Speaker 2>of personalities between the the CEO and the head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Or exact the same with Tony Smith was that the

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<v Speaker 1>same with Tony Smith, one of the greatest certainly coached

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<v Speaker 1>in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to remember exactly the Tony Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hopefully speaking to Tony Smith soon actually before he

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<v Speaker 2>leaves the country. But look the John cart Right situation. Yet,

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<v Speaker 2>it's nothing to do with results. I think he's been

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<v Speaker 2>he's done a good job. He did a good job

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<v Speaker 2>last year. I think he's doing a reasonable job this year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not gone to play. But you've got to put

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<v Speaker 2>the context of where the club was under Adam Pearson

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been basically since that Double Challenge cut run.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been very poor for a long, long period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>So the coaches are pointing now. So bear in mind

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<v Speaker 1>under this regime they had one of the best coaches

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<v Speaker 1>in Super Leak history. They've then had a coach who

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<v Speaker 1>has been in some very high performing environments in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>and is the best coaching Gold Coast Titans history, which

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<v Speaker 1>I would say is a very similar thing to being

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<v Speaker 1>the best coach in Catalan's history in Super League basically

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of time. So in fact, the hired Steve McNamara,

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<v Speaker 1>who was very poor as Bradford coach. Quite frankly, he

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<v Speaker 1>coached them today. Good coach is a good coach. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna let me finish. He was poor as a

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<v Speaker 1>Bradford coach. He coached him to the worst running Super

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<v Speaker 1>leak history in two thousand and six. If you look

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<v Speaker 1>at his time at Bradford, it was it coincided with

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<v Speaker 1>them starting to slip. I'm not saying it's all on him,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, but he wasn't very good as England coach.

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<v Speaker 1>He had what we were now with hindsight considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the most excited and talented sides we've

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<v Speaker 1>had in the last twenty years. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that was the result of the world class performance plan

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<v Speaker 1>of the late nineteen nineties and the two thousands, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the talent that came through with then

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<v Speaker 1>adults in that side, a lot of the players that

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<v Speaker 1>came through the system. These were kids that had beaten

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<v Speaker 1>Australia at school boy level for the first time in history,

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<v Speaker 1>and they come through the system and they were at

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<v Speaker 1>the World Cup and Steve McNamara couldn't even get them

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<v Speaker 1>to a final of the World Cup. Sean Wayne got

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely hammered for that for not getting them to a

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<v Speaker 1>semi final on home soil. His reputation has been restored

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat a cattalands, but he's currently one good job out

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<v Speaker 1>of three if you ask me. He's one of Cup

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<v Speaker 1>and he's legally Leaders Shield and got to two Grand Finals.

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<v Speaker 1>They were also the first team not to score a

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<v Speaker 1>try in the history of the Grand Final in twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Then knock on Steve McNamara is that he has talented

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<v Speaker 1>players under him and he structures them too much and

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of his downfalls as a coach. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>not me. That's not me. I want to be as

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<v Speaker 1>respectful as I can to Steve McNamara. Tony Smith had

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<v Speaker 1>won nine different trophies as a CLI coach at three

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<v Speaker 1>different clubs, and he couldn't control and couldn't fix her

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<v Speaker 1>left c Now, the work he did at Warrington, Warrington

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<v Speaker 1>and Hull have so many similarities in that they sort

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<v Speaker 1>of think they should be a lot better and they've

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<v Speaker 1>not one x amount for so long. And he got

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<v Speaker 1>the Warrington Wolves to three Cup wins and two League

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<v Speaker 1>Leaders Shield. And if he couldn't do it, what in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of results suggests Steve McNamara can do it just

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<v Speaker 1>because here's a whole lad.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Richie Miler finished playing in twenty twenty four. Next thing,

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<v Speaker 1>he is a CEO and a director of rugby and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm questioning his ability because he's overseeing an organization that

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<v Speaker 1>has got no long term strategy at all from a

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<v Speaker 1>football perspective. So what if the personalities clashed? John? So

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<v Speaker 1>what it's about the results on the field? Why did

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<v Speaker 1>he appoint John Cartwright did? Why did he point John

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<v Speaker 1>not the right guy now? And how come he was?

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<v Speaker 1>How come he was blindsided by it? The players are

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<v Speaker 1>unhappy about it. Apparently it's an absolute shambles, mate. How

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<v Speaker 1>about treating some people respect? And and and and I and

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<v Speaker 1>I and I stand by the fact that I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's shambally treatment and and you know, there's enough football teams,

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<v Speaker 1>there's enough rugby league teams that have been very successful

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<v Speaker 1>and players didn't get on and coaches and player you've

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<v Speaker 1>just you've just spoken about how successful leads were under

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I agree with a lot what you said. I

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<v Speaker 2>think your questions are valid there because Richard Richard Marler,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he'd run a business was essentially look,

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<v Speaker 2>let's not being around the bush. He's there because he's

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<v Speaker 2>the partner of the chairman's daughter. That's why he's quite

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<v Speaker 2>a position, you know. And I think, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen before and Adam Pearson when you know, they got

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<v Speaker 2>rid of Motor Tony and they've had numerous new res

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<v Speaker 2>issues the club. He's got new ownership now, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of questions about Richie Marlin when

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<v Speaker 2>he got the position, which I think were valid. They

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<v Speaker 2>did have a good season last year. I think some

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<v Speaker 2>of the recruitment was look at, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of older players with injury issues, so it was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of short term recruitment. And I think that's come back

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<v Speaker 2>to bid them this year because they've had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of injuries. A lot of those older players have been injured.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think the treatment of John Cartwright has

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<v Speaker 2>has been poor. It's shocked a lot of people. It's

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<v Speaker 2>surprised a lot of people, and I think the club

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<v Speaker 2>is managed poorly from the media side, because if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get out, if you want to get out

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<v Speaker 2>and get your opinion across. Then if you're the chairman

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<v Speaker 2>or the CEO, you do them. Do you speak to media,

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<v Speaker 2>you go on BBC Radio or you go on Sky

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And then what they've tried to do is

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<v Speaker 2>they leaked the Steve McNamara appointment to the local paper,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of I guess difuse the situation which John

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<v Speaker 2>cartright mentioned in his press which was hilarious. He's great

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<v Speaker 2>bit of cloud journalism there. And then also yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>come out and you explain. They also had the Nathan

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<v Speaker 2>Cleary stuff which conveniently came out at that time, which

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Gary Schofield sent over to Benny Alias, which was

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<v Speaker 2>on L three sixty. Now my understanding is they actually

420
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<v Speaker 2>have well they've had talks to Nathan Cleary and it

421
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<v Speaker 2>was actually around the ashes last year when it was over,

422
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<v Speaker 2>and they have the money to sign him. I don't

423
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<v Speaker 2>think anything will happen there. I don't think Nathan Kleue.

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<v Speaker 1>Will join us.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a good story just to kind of like, okay,

426
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<v Speaker 2>look over here. It's a distraction tactic, isn't it. And

427
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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of high FC fans are upset

428
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<v Speaker 2>with how John cart writes tread I don't know John

429
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<v Speaker 2>very well. I've interviewed him a few times, but I

430
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<v Speaker 2>remember him as a player. He was a very tough,

431
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<v Speaker 2>hard player, great player for Penrith, New South Wales. And

432
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<v Speaker 2>I think he's a kind of a knock about straight shooter,

433
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<v Speaker 2>you know, as he guy, isn't he of a certain

434
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<v Speaker 2>age and he tells it how it is and you

435
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<v Speaker 2>know the scenes that's on Thursday night on Skire I

436
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.799
<v Speaker 2>thought Sky Jenner Brooks, they did an amazing job. He

437
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<v Speaker 2>was you know, he was breaking up, he was almost

438
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<v Speaker 2>in tears. So, yeah, it has been it's been poorly

439
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>handled by half and it has been a shambles. I

440
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<v Speaker 2>agree with you.

441
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<v Speaker 1>But if I was a whole fan, if I was

442
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<v Speaker 1>a whole fan, I'd look at the treatment of Tony Smith.

443
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<v Speaker 1>Mahler had been the whatever he is, director of Rugby

444
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<v Speaker 1>CE or Grand Pooba, whatever he is, He's been there

445
00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:46.319
<v Speaker 1>five minutes, got rid of Tony Smith. Now I'm pretty

446
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<v Speaker 1>convinced out of all the minds that have been in

447
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<v Speaker 1>the coaching box in Super League in the last thirty years,

448
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<v Speaker 1>Tony Smith's mind would be one of the top five

449
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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to getting a him out of trouble

450
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<v Speaker 1>to get into the top echelons the rugby League. Now

451
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.480
<v Speaker 1>people forget the good job he did at Huddersfield and

452
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<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield Sheffield when they were had all sorts of peripheral

453
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<v Speaker 1>crap going on and he held that together and that

454
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<v Speaker 1>was what formed his reputation in England and that's how

455
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<v Speaker 1>he ended up staying in England. And then people say, well,

456
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<v Speaker 1>the coach Leeds and anybody could coach lead. That's not

457
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<v Speaker 1>true at all. But the big job he did was

458
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<v Speaker 1>at Warrington, So he's one of the successful Super League

459
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<v Speaker 1>minds of our time. That's a fact. And he was

460
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<v Speaker 1>gone within a month. Now, if you look at the

461
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<v Speaker 1>history of Tony Smith's coaching, with the exception of the

462
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<v Speaker 1>England job, I think he's been a success wherever he's gone,

463
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<v Speaker 1>including ok Are. He was popular at ok Are. He

464
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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of the groundwork that Willie built on.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, you're you're getting with all of Seeley that they

466
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<v Speaker 2>am effectively sacked a coach and that was a pretty

467
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<v Speaker 2>a different owner, but effectively sacked a coach on Aeronore.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Lee Radford.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, so they've got a history of not

470
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<v Speaker 2>dealing with these things well, and I think that's you.

471
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<v Speaker 1>Know, so that that organization obviously stinks. Now good luck

472
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:24.559
<v Speaker 1>to Steve McNamara in that. But the fans need to Sorry,

473
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 1>the fans don't need to do anything, but the fans

474
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<v Speaker 1>should ask questions of their ownership and their leadership, because

475
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<v Speaker 1>how can a coach and not be the right person?

476
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even if he's not the right person after

477
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<v Speaker 1>eight rounds, it's about four rounds that you started saying

478
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<v Speaker 1>that the noises were coming. So it's similar to manly

479
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<v Speaker 1>with Seabolt. Why give him three rounds? And I think

480
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>that was because they like to chuck that on the

481
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>last CEO, Tony Mestroff. Well, it's the same CEO here

482
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>at home, mate, So why you know, why didn't they

483
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<v Speaker 1>say in the off season, we're probably going to keep

484
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<v Speaker 1>this for two years, John, this is your last you know, honestly,

485
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.079
<v Speaker 1>there's so many things.

486
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<v Speaker 2>I think, what did Jack Gibson.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Say, Lee winning starts in the front office.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, And as you said, if you look at the

489
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<v Speaker 2>top organizations, they're winning the ones that had sustained success

490
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>in any sport, generally, the front office, the people behind

491
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<v Speaker 2>the first team, behind the coach behind the players, the

492
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:30.759
<v Speaker 2>support the front office is strong, and yeah, I think

493
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<v Speaker 2>that really sums it all up.

494
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>And they've got Andy last now who nearly took Cast

495
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<v Speaker 1>into oblivion.

496
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<v Speaker 2>So would love to m.

497
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<v Speaker 1>Johnny's jab English ignorance of Australian sporting market and they

498
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.599
<v Speaker 1>think it's not competitive, Yeah.

499
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>There seems to be. I mean that Paul Kadok had

500
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<v Speaker 2>this column in forty twenty magazine in the April issue.

501
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something

502
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<v Speaker 2>like the NROL only has a strong position in Australia

503
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 2>because there's no Premier League and no football tradition. So effectively,

504
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the NRL is only, you know, doing so well because

505
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>there's no competition in the market. Now let me just

506
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 2>say I've spoken a few people on Twitter this week

507
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:21.279
<v Speaker 2>about this. So I lived in Australia for about twenty

508
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.799
<v Speaker 2>seven years roughly maybe a little bit longer. And I've

509
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>lived in England for sixteen two years in London and

510
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:32.440
<v Speaker 2>then coming up thirteen to fourteen in South Yorkshire. So

511
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<v Speaker 2>I think I understand both markets pretty well also, having

512
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<v Speaker 2>played sport in both markets and reported on sport in

513
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 2>both markets. They are different markets. But I would say

514
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 2>they're both sports mad markets. Like the UK, people love sport.

515
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Australia people love sport, and there isn't there isn't a

516
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<v Speaker 2>dominant code perhaps and n actually I mean if you

517
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<v Speaker 2>were going to say one, you would say cricket. Cricket

518
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>is the sport. And you noticed lye because like me,

519
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>you've lived in both countries. Frontal cricket is the sport,

520
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>whether you're in Northern Territory, Tasmania, Perth, Brisbane, whatever. Cricket

521
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>and it's a summer sport is the sport. That's probably

522
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 2>the national sport. You know, the two. The old saying goes,

523
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've heard this. The two most important positions

524
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>in Australian society are the.

525
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister, Minister, Australian cricket captain. Yes exactly to Australian now,

526
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>aren't to you?

527
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Are you are? Yeah? But if you're in if you're

528
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>in Sydney and Brisbane or Brisbane, then rugby league is

529
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.519
<v Speaker 2>the dominant code. Now if you're in Perth or Adelaide

530
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 2>or Melbourne, as he rules, is the dominant.

531
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<v Speaker 1>They don't even know who Yeah, I know, I know.

532
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Camera monster is the concept that there's no football soccer tradition,

533
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean soccer. We'll caught soccer in this age because

534
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>if we caught football, people may get confused. But soccer

535
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 1>in Australia is massive. Now that doesn't mean it doesn't

536
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<v Speaker 1>translate to huge crowds in the A League, although it

537
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>has at times.

538
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>But there's more than a million. I think it's the.

539
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Highest a million participation.

540
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>And you go anywhere in Australia and I'm sure you

541
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.119
<v Speaker 2>have lee because you're a mad Man City fan. But

542
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 2>you see Man City shirts, you see Arsenals Man new shirts.

543
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Liverpool came out to play. I think it was Melbourne victory.

544
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Whenever it was, I got eighty thousand the MCG. You

545
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 2>know soccer US games when their big games get huge crowds,

546
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 2>flee for World Cup games get huge crowds, and Matilda's

547
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>get huge crowds. Now jumping aside to that. And rugby

548
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.759
<v Speaker 2>union in Australia is struggling, but it wasn't that long

549
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>ago when they will getting and the World Cup will

550
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 2>be in Australia. The Rugby Union World Cup, sure, I

551
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>say next year and it will get huge crowds. The

552
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Lions got huge crowds, huge crowds. You know, rugby union

553
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 2>is strong in certain places. It's not doing well, but

554
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 2>not that long ago it was getting you know, eighty thousand.

555
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Super Rugby in the early two thousands was absolutely flying

556
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 2>and doing much better than the NRL was and the

557
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 2>A League. What ten eleven, twelve years ago, we're getting

558
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.079
<v Speaker 2>seventy thousand people for Sydney Derby. So and that's that's

559
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>not including the resurgence of the NBL more recently. It

560
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>gets good crowds. That's not including how big netball is,

561
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>which you know netball is massive in Australia. There's just yeah,

562
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 2>it's just kind of the ignorance is a point. My

563
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking is that what people like to do, or some

564
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>people like to do in England, as they say, well,

565
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 2>rugby league or Super League isn't that strong because football

566
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>is so big. That's an absolute nonsense. Football soccer in

567
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>England will always be the number one sport.

568
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>By far, and rugby is actually rugby is actually second

569
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.319
<v Speaker 1>or third favorite sport in the country. It's just that

570
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.839
<v Speaker 1>most people have switched to rugby union now because of

571
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 1>the profile. Most rugby fans is more rugby.

572
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I don't think even rugby and you

573
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 2>need to probably break it down by market, so you

574
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>can look at London, you can look at Manchester, you

575
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 2>can look at Liverpool, whatever, but I don't even think

576
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 2>rugby in a lot of those markets is even number two.

577
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've got boxing, has had a darts is

578
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, is massive in terms of not only just participation,

579
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 2>but media coverage, TV ratings. Cricket you know, is nowhere

580
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 2>near as big as it is in Australia, but it's

581
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 2>still got a solid section. There's just there's a lot

582
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.119
<v Speaker 2>of rugby league is so far down the pecking order

583
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 2>in most big cities in England, most population centers. It's

584
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>not funny and rugby league doesn't need to be competing

585
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 2>with football. It just needs to be number two or

586
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 2>even number three. You know, in London rugby league would

587
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 2>be so far down like most people wouldn't even know

588
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.000
<v Speaker 2>it exists. The same in Liverpool, the same in Manchester,

589
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the same in Newcastle, the same in Birmingham, the same

590
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 2>in Bristol. I can keep going on, you know, if

591
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>we're going to go to the rest of the UK, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff,

592
00:32:58.119 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

593
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Australia is the only country in the world that has

594
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<v Speaker 1>four football winter codes. That I mean that that is

595
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:09.720
<v Speaker 1>a very short way of saying what you've just said

596
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:11.559
<v Speaker 1>for the last five minutes. I mean, there's there's the

597
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 1>there's the there's the there's the competition right there. And

598
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>one of those football called AFL is destroying rugby league

599
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>in so many places. This week I've spoken to somebody

600
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<v Speaker 1>in a council in New South Wales who is saying

601
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<v Speaker 1>that that council in New South Wales, which is in

602
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>died in the world rugby league territory, when it gets

603
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 1>funding applications from rugby league clubs, ignores them when they

604
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 1>get funding applications from AFL clubs. Yeah right, that's in

605
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.039
<v Speaker 1>the mid in a in a Died in the Wall area.

606
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 1>I live in Brisbane, in Logan, where Cameron Smith is from,

607
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and players of that ILK with so many I mean

608
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Logan is like Penri's for for producing rugby league players.

609
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<v Speaker 1>Two of the schools, including Mabel Park which is one

610
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<v Speaker 1>of the rugby league schools I worked at and made

611
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>big in rugby league AFL give them five figures, put

612
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>in posts for them, swamp them with resources, and then

613
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 1>there's another school fifteen minutes drive away. They're doing exactly

614
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.639
<v Speaker 1>the same thing in rugby league territory. That's what rugby

615
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>league competing against. Now, don't get me wrong, I can

616
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>really critique what the NRL aren't doing in terms of

617
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>development and reality is they've lifted the TV viewing figures.

618
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 1>They've lifted the crowd in this market that I'm talking about,

619
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 1>and the run of the reasons we're talking about this

620
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<v Speaker 1>John is obviously Andrew Abdoll visited this week, but one

621
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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons your JAB has come to the fore

622
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<v Speaker 1>is Paul Caddick, the Leeds chairman, basically said there's no

623
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 1>competition like the Premier League. The Premier League is a

624
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>massive sport in this country. It's a it's a silent killer.

625
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 1>It's the absolute silent killer. I think there was twenty

626
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen figures and they won't have changed that much. They're

627
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 1>like the rugby league. Like to tell you it has

628
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.159
<v Speaker 1>twice as many people play soccer in this country has

629
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>played rugby league all around the world. Yeah, so that's

630
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>what we're competing with in Australia.

631
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

632
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean there's a difference between participation and watching absolutely. Yeah,

633
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.559
<v Speaker 1>I can promise you now, this city in Arsenal game

634
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.559
<v Speaker 1>tonight will get close to two billion people watching around

635
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the world, and.

636
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 2>There'll be there'll be thousands of people in Australia who'll

637
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:39.159
<v Speaker 2>stay out late to watch it. Yeah, as they do

638
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 2>the FA Cup Final, as they do fee for World Cups.

639
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, you look at Federation Square in Melbourne and

640
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you'll get you know, thirty thousand people, you know, at

641
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>three am in the morning to watch the soccer Roos

642
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:54.199
<v Speaker 2>play Argentina or Italy or whoever. That Look, it's just

643
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>it's another excuse for people in England to say, oh,

644
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're not doing that. But it's just an

645
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>excuse of how bad the sport is run and how

646
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.519
<v Speaker 2>it needs change to improve. I think personally it's partly

647
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a scare campaign really to ward off

648
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the NRL, you know, and they don't understand and you

649
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>can't remember how many years you've lived in Australia, but

650
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the NRL is flying in a straight moment, yeah, but

651
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't flying in the two thousands and even in

652
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the early teens. And part of that is because of

653
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the Super League War and part of that is because

654
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 2>you had that, you had that battle for control and

655
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.119
<v Speaker 2>that competition between the News Limited and the ARL. Now

656
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>that changed in twenty twelve when the Australian regul League

657
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Commission was formed and they followed that that you know

658
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 2>you I'm sure you know, but maybe many of our

659
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 2>listeners don't. That commission. The idea of that commission or

660
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>the concept of it was taken from the AFL. They

661
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>had the vfl Oral Football League. Then they went okay,

662
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.079
<v Speaker 2>we need to go national, we need to expect and

663
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 2>we need to change our governance. We did that and

664
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>they've been a big success, the AFL because they get

665
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 2>the most fans in and they make the most money

666
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 2>of any sport in Australia. Now the NRL has adopted

667
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that model and it has been very successful. And what

668
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 2>they're also helped by they've taken over touch football as

669
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.199
<v Speaker 2>you know and oz tag which has boosted their participation numbers.

670
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.199
<v Speaker 2>And then they've managed they've got media, big media companies

671
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:28.199
<v Speaker 2>constantly reporting on the game. They've got PayTV, they've got News,

672
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:31.159
<v Speaker 2>they've got Fairfax, they've got commercial radio, they've got the

673
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 2>ABC and they all you know, it's a it's a

674
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>perfect storm, isn't it when you when you look at

675
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the coverage of the game, which boosts interests, publicity,

676
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.079
<v Speaker 2>boost the tenancies and it just rerods Now Rugby League,

677
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 2>the Super League doesn't have that, but it doesn't help

678
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 2>itself by a lot of the things that it doesn't do.

679
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 1>We've got some questions that probably come in. Now is

680
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a good stage to bring them in. Olie W. Lark

681
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>rolled on Facebook. Gold rule means RFL of casting vaute

682
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>in any NRL partnership question mark.

683
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the exact voting breakdown not one hundred percent sure,

684
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 2>But what I understand is that there obviously there are

685
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 2>a number of you know, super leagues run its members

686
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 2>are the fourteen super League clubs. I think the RFL

687
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>has a vote as well. The RFL council is completely

688
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 2>different because you've got Super League clubs, you've got the

689
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.199
<v Speaker 2>championship clubs, and you've got seven representatives from the community

690
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 2>game Bala, Armed Forces, et cetera. And then you've also

691
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 2>got URL Commercial which also as a board, so you'd

692
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 2>have to get that. They will have to get approval

693
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 2>from all those. You don't need majority approval from everyone,

694
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 2>so it will just yeah, I'm not sure whether it

695
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.079
<v Speaker 2>has to be a seventy five percent or it has

696
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 2>to be fifty one percent, but you don't need everyone

697
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>to agree. But we are quite a ways, I think

698
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 2>from a deal speaking to Andrew Abdu Abdo, because day

699
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.679
<v Speaker 2>after obviously have to get approval from the r seaside,

700
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>they have to come up with a business plan and

701
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>official terms and everything. So we are quite a ways

702
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>from that. And the the structure in the British game

703
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.559
<v Speaker 2>is very convoluted because of all those things that I mentioned.

704
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 2>There's not just one body that they have to deal with,

705
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 2>it's several bodies, a lot of moving parts. I think

706
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Andrew abto part of his trip was to understand that

707
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 2>it was a bit of a fact finding mission his

708
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>time in the UK.

709
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I quite like the name you've given him, Abdu. You've

710
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:32.519
<v Speaker 1>done that a couple of times now. King Richard King said,

711
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 1>do you think the only clubs who may veto this

712
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>amalgamation will be from those clubs who may be at

713
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 1>risk of either relegation or forced mergers, so cass Lee, Bradford, Wakey, etc.

714
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>That's a really, really good question. I honestly don't know

715
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the answer. Look, I think Castleford, if we look, we

716
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.599
<v Speaker 2>could maybe point a bit of a hint to who

717
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 2>voted against Nigel Woods appointment and that was obviously again HULLFC,

718
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Car York. I think those clubs would be in favor

719
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:10.599
<v Speaker 2>of NRL takeover. I think Warrenton would be. I think

720
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:15.440
<v Speaker 2>whole Power probably would be. I think potentially you're looking

721
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.480
<v Speaker 2>at maybe the likes of Leeds, Saint Helen's Lee, maybe

722
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Wakefield against it. Now that's more judging by the support

723
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.480
<v Speaker 2>of Nijordan, also by some of the comments that the

724
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 2>owners of Lee, s Helens and Leads have made and

725
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Wakefield actually so no, I don't think it's all about

726
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the danger of relegation. I think from what the French

727
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>clubs have said publicly to Loose and Catalans are in

728
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.679
<v Speaker 2>favor of NRL involvement.

729
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Abdou keeps using the term partnership and I use

730
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that a lot in his interviews rather than takeover. Rugbilly

731
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and Fan Club mentioned mergers, but also asked about a

732
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:59.519
<v Speaker 1>super potential winter rugby league and another one, you're vick Stone,

733
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>how about the reintroduction of full test tours? And I've

734
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>put them two together because winter rugby league and Test

735
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 1>tours went hand in hand thirty years ago, so the

736
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Winner stuff.

737
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Look, I think this was first broach by maybe Maddie

738
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>John's or one of the NRL pundits a while ago.

739
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't it be great if superle went back to Winner

740
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.679
<v Speaker 2>so we'd have the old Kangaroo tours. I don't think

741
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>there's any credence to that whatsoever. I've spoken Andrew at

742
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask him specifically, but all the people I

743
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 2>speak to I don't think that's even a remote thing

744
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>of actually happening. One of the reasons Sky gave whatever

745
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 2>it was the eighty six million quid in ninet n

746
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.800
<v Speaker 2>onely six was because of moving to summer so it

747
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 2>had a separate sport that it could broadcast a product

748
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:51.039
<v Speaker 2>away from football. I don't think it would be I

749
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 2>don't think broadcaster in broadcasters in the UK would want it.

750
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't think going up against football directly in season

751
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 2>and rugby union would That would be a colossal mistake.

752
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>You don't think it would be a cossal mistake.

753
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, I do think it would be

754
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>a colossal mistake. I don't think the clubs in the

755
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 2>UK were before. I don't think it will happen.

756
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's I actually think, and I've had this

757
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.159
<v Speaker 1>conversation with you before. I think it's it's not the

758
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 1>winter that it would have been thirty years ago, so

759
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 1>the technology around field is better. I think there's opportunities

760
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>for a full weekend of activities that you can watch. So,

761
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>for example, if you are a whole Left C fan,

762
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.519
<v Speaker 1>watch whole LEFC on a Friday, Watchhold Tigers or whatever

763
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.519
<v Speaker 1>they call on a Saturday kind of thing. And I

764
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 1>think I think it's not quite the same question as

765
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>it was thirty years ago. So I don't think we

766
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>should close that book. I think I think there needs

767
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to be a real assessment of it, not by the

768
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Super League three sixty panel. I'm talking about the game.

769
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I think they should have a real working, working work

770
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>group on it and see what they come up with,

771
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think it's as daft as people are

772
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 1>making out. I really don't. And I think to have

773
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>twelve months of the year rugby league would certainly boost

774
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the TV viewing figures, which is exactly what the NROL want.

775
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>So all I'll say is watch this space, Johnny.

776
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>It won't happen. Ly, it won't happen. Why I've just

777
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 2>said for numerous reasons why it won't happen. It would

778
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 2>affect crowds, it would affect viewings. Why would it, Because

779
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd be going directly up against football and.

780
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Rugby you wouldn't do you'd play different times. You can

781
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 1>play at different times, but.

782
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to play How many AFL, how many

783
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:41.199
<v Speaker 2>clubs are there in.

784
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>How many people are going to stay at home watching

785
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Nottingham Forest and Spurs if we're going to Saint Helen's

786
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>or how many people and we're going to Saint Helen's

787
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 1>are going to stop up at home to watch not

788
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 1>to goom Forest and Spurs on a Friday night.

789
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, the argument, the argument at the moment is that

790
00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:59.400
<v Speaker 2>they are doing that on Friday nights, and they are

791
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 2>doing that on Saturdays and Sundays.

792
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.760
<v Speaker 1>And here's another question. How much of the year right

793
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>now doesn't have football on? How much of the Super

794
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.039
<v Speaker 1>League season doesn't have football on?

795
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So mid May June, July, no.

796
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 1>No, no, when does the Champions League final happen? It

797
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 1>may end of and then there's a World Cup And

798
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 1>there was free for World Cup last year and I

799
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>think there's a different football market now too.

800
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you can argue. I think you can

801
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>argue that the football season has extended, and it's quest.

802
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think for a number of reasons, and

803
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 2>the main one is the broadcast reason. But I don't

804
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.039
<v Speaker 2>think there would be an appetite from fans to go

805
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 2>and see games in terrible conditions in snowy fields. The

806
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 2>quality of play would also get worse because you're not

807
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:48.159
<v Speaker 2>playing when.

808
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 1>The the NRL have not once mentioned fans turning up

809
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a game on the in games on there, they're talking

810
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 1>about TV.

811
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 2>The other thing, lee is the stadiums. A lot of

812
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>clubs share stadiums and then they wouldn't have access to

813
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:03.039
<v Speaker 2>the stadium, so that would.

814
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Be another thing one day a week, one day. I

815
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>don't think it would Wigan of Coy habited their stadium

816
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>for the last twenty five years undred quid. No problem

817
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>with you. That's not my point of John. You're not

818
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 1>listening to me, and you don't and and this is

819
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:23.159
<v Speaker 1>you know you're getting You're taking what I said completely

820
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 1>out of context. I said, it's not it's not something

821
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.199
<v Speaker 1>that should just be discarded. You you made a statement,

822
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 1>it will not happen. That's up to you. That's fine,

823
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 1>good luck to you. I'm not willing to go into that.

824
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is it shouldn't be something discarded. I said,

825
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>there should be a working group looking at it. This

826
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>isn't nineteen ninety six anymore, John, It's not nineteen ninety five.

827
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Facilities are better, fields are better, technology, a field is better.

828
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 1>People have changed, so many things have changed. So I

829
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>just I just think it should be it should be

830
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>looked at.

831
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Have you been a cast? Have you been onsome?

832
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.039
<v Speaker 1>I've been to Wigan, I been to St Helen's new ground.

833
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>There's so many mate. And then now the other thing

834
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 1>about oddsal that's another thing. They were drafted into Super

835
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 1>League this year and that's another conversation, isn't it right?

836
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 1>So so and I tell you what doesn't happen there.

837
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 1>There's no football there, so that wouldn't be a problem either, right.

838
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Ben Blackwell said, should one of the conditions of an

839
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 1>NRL partnership be that Super League clubs drop the insistence

840
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>of the French clubs paying for opposition travel? Yet absolutely

841
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it should shouldn't it? Should London be given a year

842
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.719
<v Speaker 1>to recruit appropriately before they joint super League. I think

843
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:36.239
<v Speaker 1>they've got a year now. Quite frankly, that's where I

844
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 1>sit on that. What do you reckon?

845
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>There's some rumors at the moment that the Broncos a

846
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 2>pushing for a vote for super League to be extended

847
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 2>to fifteen teams next year. Now I don't think. I think.

848
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I believe Landing is a variuable market for the sport globally,

849
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and I like what the known as are doing, but

850
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think super League should be expanded to another

851
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 2>team to fifteen. I think if London kind of come

852
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.719
<v Speaker 2>in and I said this, if it should be under

853
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 2>the IMG criterion, you drop whoever's the fourteenth place team,

854
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 2>whether it be Huddersfield or whoever. Personally, I think it's

855
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>absolutely nonsense. Than any team, and I include York, Bradford

856
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 2>to lose, any team who's promoted, you know, in September

857
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 2>October and only has that time to get ready for

858
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 2>super League. I think, you know, we look at the results, well, Bradford,

859
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 2>York to lose have all lost what five or six

860
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.000
<v Speaker 2>games in a row. Now, yeah, that's only going to

861
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>get worse. I don't think any of those clubs were

862
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 2>given enough time to get ready for the step up,

863
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and I also the other compaigning factor. And I'm a

864
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 2>little bit sick and tired of mentioning this. But York

865
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.199
<v Speaker 2>and to lose only have half the money until you

866
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.079
<v Speaker 2>also have to pay another million euro for travel, So

867
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.320
<v Speaker 2>obviously they're not going to have them the same amount

868
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>of money to spend on players, so they are going

869
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>to struggle.

870
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>They've been sent into a boxing match with one arm

871
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 1>tied behind the back. Dick head Hill, the name caller

872
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.159
<v Speaker 1>on X, I think I've got a feeling he's trying

873
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to take off somebody's name there. He said, do you

874
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>think Nigel Wood will use the two hundred and fifty

875
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 1>million NROL investment into doing god Slope? Gavin Quinn also asked,

876
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 1>but I think the answered this last week. Mate. Any

877
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.599
<v Speaker 1>more Super League players on the radar of NRO clubs.

878
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>We went through that last week, didn't we? Hoy said

879
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 1>late hit on the runner penalties? When ref's going to

880
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 1>start penalizing diving when it's a brush or a gentle touch.

881
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>And then somebody else said something about video replays. It

882
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.079
<v Speaker 1>was a lost loiner who said, why are vid refs

883
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>constantly getting decisions wrong. There is no excuse when they

884
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>have slow more replays from multiple angles. My answer to

885
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 1>that is referees will always be a bit shit mate.

886
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:02.719
<v Speaker 1>What's your answer?

887
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I was watching back the Warrington Catlands game

888
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 2>this morning and there's two tries like obvious forward passes

889
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 2>and like, I'm not taking away anything in the Catlands

890
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 2>win because I think Catlands played really well and Warrington

891
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.280
<v Speaker 2>started I think they were ten yell Up started well

892
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and just went to pot But we've just got to

893
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 2>get like basic board passes, you know, like we've got

894
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.360
<v Speaker 2>to get those right. Like I know we're not going

895
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 2>to get everyone right, but you know, the real blatant

896
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.480
<v Speaker 2>ones like I watched the first time. You're like, well

897
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.320
<v Speaker 2>that's a forward pass, Like it's not, you know, it's

898
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 2>a flat pass, it's forward like get them right? Like yeah,

899
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the referees department, much like most

900
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:48.280
<v Speaker 2>of the RFL, is under resourced and could do with

901
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the cash injection, maybe by an Australasian competition with a

902
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of money, you know, Yeah, we need to try

903
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and lift standards. I think, yes, they are human and

904
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to get everything right, but I'm sure

905
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 2>we can improve standards.

906
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Lead to top. We'll talk about the games in the

907
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 1>last round lead to top, and we're both worried about

908
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the promoted clubs. We'll go through that as we go

909
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.440
<v Speaker 1>through whole FC fourteen we tries from moy Borough and

910
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>three goals from Hardacre. Zach Hardacre must be about fifty

911
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.559
<v Speaker 1>two now, Sat Helen's twenty four tries from Davis Stevens,

912
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Felt Robertson and goals sales scored for how many of

913
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 1>those Saint Ellen's players are on long Saint Heleans went

914
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.159
<v Speaker 1>top of super League for a bit after a second

915
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 1>half comeback. Did you end up seeing that game, John.

916
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I did? I thought, said Ellen's, you know, with all

917
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 2>their injuries ues, they are doing really well. I thought,

918
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I thought Hall of c had a real dig and

919
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 2>you know the kind of emotion around the whole John Carter,

920
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I think kind of showed and you know they put

921
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>up a good fight. But yes, and Ellen's, you know,

922
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 2>when they get all their players back and it will

923
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.239
<v Speaker 2>be really interesting how they managed that, who plays where

924
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 2>and how far they can go. But yeah, they're doing well.

925
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Poor I was doing a.

926
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Good job there I'm going to clump the promoted team's

927
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 1>results together and not in the order that were played.

928
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 1>York six tries from Vata and a goal by Harrison,

929
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.800
<v Speaker 1>tries try by Vaa, Lee scored eighteen, O'Brien, Charlie and

930
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Alec Wayinki scored tries and the goals were by Cook,

931
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.880
<v Speaker 1>who scored three. That was Lee's first away victory of

932
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the Super League season. Funnily enough to lose didn't score

933
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.400
<v Speaker 1>against ok Are, who scored forty six. Minchella Martin Hadley

934
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Burgers scored to Litton Hiccku Whitbread scored the tries. Goals

935
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 1>were by Lewis and Well won by Lewis and Martin

936
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>scored six. That's their fourth win on the trot. For

937
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>who k are this one worried me too? Wakefield fifty two,

938
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.119
<v Speaker 1>brad for twelve, Wakefields tries, Johnston four tries. That's a

939
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 1>job of Mica Sivo. What's all this? Scott Rourke perhaps

940
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 1>scored three and Nicotimo. Goals were six from Simfield and

941
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Bradford's twelve points came from Fulton and Peposhi scoring the

942
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 1>tries and two kicks of goal For Acting three poor

943
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 1>results really I think for I mean, York clearly had

944
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a crack, but that's possibly a game that had won

945
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.039
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago or been a lot closer. So

946
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 1>it's not looking good for our promoted sides. And I

947
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 1>think we aren't being wise. After the event, John, we

948
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.599
<v Speaker 1>both before it even happened, said that this would start

949
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to happen, and it started to look like it's a

950
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>merging Lee.

951
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I wrote a big piece July last year

952
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 2>that the current of foding was a mistake, that the

953
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>player depth was not there. Yeah, and that extending the

954
00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 2>quota will only lead to more kind of average reserve

955
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.079
<v Speaker 2>grade and tip team players coming to Super League. And yeah,

956
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say I told you so, but

957
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 2>you can read between the lines. You know, if you're

958
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.119
<v Speaker 2>going to expand the competition, and you could look at

959
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, the NFL, the NBA, NRL, AFL, whatever

960
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.519
<v Speaker 2>you do it, you know with several years of planning,

961
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 2>with resource, with investment. You don't do it on the

962
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 2>back of a whim and just throw it out there

963
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and hope for the best. And I do feel for

964
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.679
<v Speaker 2>the all fans to lose fans, the Bradford fans and

965
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I think they've all you know, they started the season

966
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 2>well and all had to dig. And you know, Bradford

967
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 2>have had some amazing crowds and I think you or

968
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.800
<v Speaker 2>can to lose, have got potential as markets, but you know,

969
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 2>your very limited budget, no real reserves academy behind them,

970
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and they are like a long term project and they're

971
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 2>missing the half back and missing their full back and

972
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:58.679
<v Speaker 2>they're struggling and to lose again. They had that season

973
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.400
<v Speaker 2>in Super League a while ago, you know, like Catlin's

974
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:02.840
<v Speaker 2>were given in two thousand and six, they should have

975
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.039
<v Speaker 2>been given a three year run to try and grow

976
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.039
<v Speaker 2>as an organization, and Bradford the same. You know, they've

977
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of players who were you know, either

978
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.719
<v Speaker 2>rejects from other clubs or in the championship, and it's

979
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>going to take them some time to build into a

980
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Super League organization. So it isn't a big surprise. Look,

981
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 2>we'll see how they go at the end of the season,

982
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 2>but it'll be standing if they're not. Those three teams

983
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:33.079
<v Speaker 2>are not, you know, somewhere between ninth and fourteenth.

984
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Lipstick on a pig, Yeah, lipstick on a pig, that's

985
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.280
<v Speaker 1>what That's what they've done with this and I loved

986
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:46.199
<v Speaker 1>I love seeing Bradford York and the other team to

987
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 1>lose in in Super League. It's caught my eye in

988
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:54.679
<v Speaker 1>the first few rounds and that's because they were brand new,

989
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean they should have come in this

990
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.280
<v Speaker 1>year and not all three of them at the same time.

991
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 1>What sounds like the game of the round was Catalan's

992
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.239
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight Warrington twenty two. Catalan scored two tries for

993
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.519
<v Speaker 1>making son Darrlatour scored one. Lewis Dodd scored three. I'm

994
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 1>really happy for Lewis Dodd after what he went through itself,

995
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:18.519
<v Speaker 1>that he seems to have found a home there.

996
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:23.199
<v Speaker 2>What did he go through? What did he what was

997
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Speaker 2>so bad about what I'm going to at say Astley,

998
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't really.

999
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Get it right. Bennett didn't know who he was when

1000
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he turned out.

1001
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't know doesn't know most of his signings. He's

1002
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 2>about four thousand years old. But yeah, okay, I'm pretty

1003
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:42.880
<v Speaker 2>sure he does and he Adam Elliott. Adam Elliott said

1004
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.360
<v Speaker 2>that an interview or saw last week in the first

1005
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.639
<v Speaker 2>day he wrote that he was like, who are you so?

1006
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's that's two out of forty five years

1007
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>worth of coaching from Wayne Bennett, good good statistics, and

1008
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:05.119
<v Speaker 1>he was pillar in the Australian press and his performances

1009
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.519
<v Speaker 1>ripped the shreds and then soon the talk was coming

1010
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:09.119
<v Speaker 1>did they get the wrong DoD and all this? He

1011
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.199
<v Speaker 1>just you know what you go through sometimes as an

1012
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Australian in England being a journalist and the stuff you

1013
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 1>get on social media. Well, imagine being in English half

1014
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 1>back in Sydney and not being and being on big

1015
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.760
<v Speaker 1>money and not performing. Can you imagine what comes your way? So, yeah,

1016
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I think it was. I think it was a tough,

1017
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 1>tough year for him. So I'm really glad that this

1018
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:36.280
<v Speaker 1>There was, no doubt a tough year for him. But

1019
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.679
<v Speaker 1>I think the fact is they spent too much money

1020
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Speaker 1>for what he was worth and he didn't perform when

1021
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.800
<v Speaker 1>he was given the opportunity. And you know, I'd backwind

1022
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Bennet's judgment of who is and who isn't a player

1023
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:52.119
<v Speaker 1>for his team because you know, his record of success

1024
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:52.840
<v Speaker 1>is pretty strong.

1025
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Now he did. He did get a lot of negative

1026
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.480
<v Speaker 2>media coverage, but that's the NRL. That's cutthroat, isn't it,

1027
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not? Yeah, you know, it's not like Super League.

1028
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, players have poor performances all the time. We

1029
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.880
<v Speaker 2>don't get anything in the NRL and it's sasidnety, it's

1030
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the oldest clubs in the in

1031
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 2>the Australian League. There was this pressure on and he

1032
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't perform, and that's it. I think. I think there's

1033
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people in the UK who were kind

1034
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, he didn't get a fair crack of

1035
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the whip. I think he got a fair crack of

1036
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the whip and he wasn't up to it. But in

1037
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 2>saying that, I do agree with you. It's good to

1038
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.119
<v Speaker 2>see him doing well at Catalans and he's having a

1039
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>very good season. He played very well against Warrington and yeah,

1040
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 2>he's he's he's having a great campaign out there. He's

1041
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>really enjoying it.

1042
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 1>I'll continue with the description of the try scorers tries

1043
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.599
<v Speaker 1>for Catalans. I'll go through it again, making some too.

1044
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Darryl Atur, some fella who was just talked about the

1045
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.400
<v Speaker 1>moment a goal. Dodge scored, three Lipovitch scored and the

1046
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:02.440
<v Speaker 1>goals were by Esparole BChE what a name five Warrington

1047
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:07.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty Warrington twenty two. Jakes Ewlis, Williams, Josh to Ewlis

1048
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and Wood scored the try. Stage scored three first hat

1049
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 1>trick of the career for Lewis Dodds South's finest and

1050
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>they game from behind to dash Warrington Wolves. I guess

1051
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:27.599
<v Speaker 1>what does that mean for Warrington? I mean, that wasn't

1052
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.599
<v Speaker 1>a game that they would have hoped to have. That's

1053
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 1>not a game they would have thought they were going

1054
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to lose.

1055
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Basically, Yeah, I think with the bookies they would have

1056
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.760
<v Speaker 2>been big favorites. You know, Catlain's in disarrayed, coach walks out,

1057
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the general manager Alex Chain is also gone. You're like, well,

1058
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:48.400
<v Speaker 2>w TF what's going on? Catlaen's and Warrington, you know,

1059
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:52.280
<v Speaker 2>one lossful season, big favorites. It's a really strange game

1060
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 2>because Warrington went ten ahead, they were looking good and

1061
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:59.440
<v Speaker 2>then many Ashton gets SimBin for you know, tackling Tommy

1062
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Macons the ball. Catlanz scored twice. Cruise Leaming was really

1063
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 2>influential and it was kind of you score high school.

1064
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.039
<v Speaker 2>But Warrington just fell to pieces at the end. As

1065
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, there was those two forward passes were a

1066
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:18.800
<v Speaker 2>bit touchy, but yeah, Warrington is there's a bit of

1067
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:21.760
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a shock that that score line, you know,

1068
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.599
<v Speaker 2>concede that many points. And yeah, I think if you're

1069
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Warrington you're kind of like, where where's that come from?

1070
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're in trauma because Steve McNamara is leaving.

1071
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know about that. But look for Catalans,

1072
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.000
<v Speaker 2>that's a great that's a great win. I mean Ryan Sheridan,

1073
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 2>the assistant coaches in charge of there is obviously speculation

1074
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 2>about Mark Aston, a former Sheffield coach, getting the job.

1075
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I did ask Catlans and I didn't respond. And I

1076
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>did ask Mark Asten. I didn't respond. So reading too

1077
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 2>that whatever.

1078
00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:59.519
<v Speaker 1>You want send me in French you might get an answer.

1079
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 2>But kat Lens, you just don't know that team who's

1080
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:05.880
<v Speaker 2>going to turn out week to week. You know, one

1081
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 2>week they're shot and the next week they're great. I mean,

1082
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:11.039
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a it's a weird one NRL.

1083
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I think the big news is the Storm five on

1084
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 1>a bounce, Dragons five hundred on the bounce losses. But

1085
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the Dogs, who you don't criticize them, you know they've

1086
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:26.519
<v Speaker 1>won five games in the last fourteen and the Revolution,

1087
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.679
<v Speaker 1>the revolution under the greatest coach since Jesus was born,

1088
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Soreldo and the greatest half back, the greatest player

1089
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Go school has ever seen. The Revolution five wins in fourteen.

1090
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that comment about Galvin the best teenagers saying is

1091
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 2>absolute nonsense. But just to segue, what about your mate Flano,

1092
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, surely I don't know his mental health and

1093
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I do. I do get what you were saying the.

1094
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Other Oh yeah, I mean that that's yeah, that's to me,

1095
01:00:58.679 --> 01:00:59.519
<v Speaker 1>that's a you know.

1096
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.239
<v Speaker 2>But we were talking, we were talking about Halef's earlier

1097
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.599
<v Speaker 2>and about the front office and everything, and I do

1098
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I do think that's Saint Georgia la Ware. That's a

1099
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:13.760
<v Speaker 2>club that recruitment wise has had major issues. But also

1100
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the whole Carl Flan against Shane flanagain thing, like they

1101
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:20.519
<v Speaker 2>just they need to they do need to change their

1102
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 2>coach there. Cal Flan again is not a starting an

1103
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.159
<v Speaker 2>our halfback for me, probably never has been. I was

1104
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:30.760
<v Speaker 2>watching that game yesterday and Matt Dufty just goes around

1105
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:32.840
<v Speaker 2>him like he wasn't there, you know, like you did

1106
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:34.880
<v Speaker 2>non existent, like a tackle like I would have made.

1107
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's just not good enough for that at that level.

1108
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they need I mean, changing the coach doesn't

1109
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.960
<v Speaker 2>always prove out to be the winning decision. But you

1110
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.639
<v Speaker 2>look at what's happened at Manly and I think the

1111
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Manly roster is a lot lot better than the Saint

1112
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Georgia the Water roster. But I do think they need

1113
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a not only a change of head coach, but they

1114
01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:59.519
<v Speaker 2>need a lot of changes off the field. And I

1115
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.119
<v Speaker 2>know they brought Daniel Anderson in the last year and

1116
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.199
<v Speaker 2>he's obviously you know, they're making the group. They're trying

1117
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 2>to get Scott drink water. They got Keon from Sydney

1118
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:12.679
<v Speaker 2>coming in and it won't be an overnight rebuild, but

1119
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.920
<v Speaker 2>they need to make some changes there. Yeah.

1120
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Well if if if Saint George do the same as Manly,

1121
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 1>then Mark Allen was he retired from Saint George last

1122
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.199
<v Speaker 1>year the wing is that his name Mark Allen or

1123
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Corey Allen?

1124
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, I thinks about Corey Allen.

1125
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:31.440
<v Speaker 1>But Corey Allen his dad's Mark and always dad.

1126
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Corey Allen is a Dragon's.

1127
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Legend, but he retired last year, so.

1128
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Young maybe Dean young or maybe been well apparently he's not.

1129
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:44.119
<v Speaker 1>They don't they do not want to get him because

1130
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 1>they're keen to avoid the nepotism issue exactly.

1131
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's his dad's very influential class.

1132
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:56.960
<v Speaker 1>The The all I'll say is in England, when we

1133
01:02:57.079 --> 01:02:59.320
<v Speaker 1>used to look at oh they can do mergers in

1134
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.800
<v Speaker 1>austral earlier, why can't we do mergers. This is why

1135
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:06.840
<v Speaker 1>we don't do mergers in England because in Saint George

1136
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and the illawar a crowd don't get on after twenty

1137
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.320
<v Speaker 1>five years and never did get on. The West Magpies

1138
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:17.599
<v Speaker 1>and the and the Balmain Tigers are always on the

1139
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.559
<v Speaker 1>the edge of oblivion in terms of their relationships. So

1140
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's taken a legend such as Benji Marshall to

1141
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:28.599
<v Speaker 1>come through as a West Tigers, not not as a

1142
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Balmain Tiger, not as a West Magpie. He's taken somebody

1143
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.280
<v Speaker 1>like him to bring the joint together a little bit

1144
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:36.039
<v Speaker 1>and so he can say to people this is what

1145
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:39.519
<v Speaker 1>we are as West Tigers, not as Bowmain, not as

1146
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:42.760
<v Speaker 1>West Magpies. It's taken somebody. It's taken twenty five years

1147
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:46.199
<v Speaker 1>for somebody like that to yea to emerge.

1148
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't think mergers in the UK would work. I

1149
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 2>think yeah, you look at the ones in Australia and

1150
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I know the Eagles was a massive failure, so Georgia, lawara,

1151
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:00.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it's still got merit And looked at one

1152
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 2>a comp in twenty ten. West Tiger's won a comp

1153
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:05.079
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and five and they've had a lot

1154
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:07.960
<v Speaker 2>of issues. But I think long term the West Tiger's one,

1155
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, will work. But yeah, we're talking decades, aren't we,

1156
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Like there'll be generations. Yeah, you might need to wait

1157
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.599
<v Speaker 2>fifty years to a generation of fans dies out, you know,

1158
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:23.360
<v Speaker 2>to come from and be success. But there's lots of

1159
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I know. I remember I used to work with a

1160
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Magpies fan who he was a Rugula league journalist and

1161
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.519
<v Speaker 2>he pretty much went off the game because his club

1162
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:35.559
<v Speaker 2>effectively died and enjoyed with Balmain. And I think there's

1163
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.840
<v Speaker 2>those North Sydney fans aren't there. They've probably gone off

1164
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.039
<v Speaker 2>and they maybe come back now with Perth. So yeah, there's.

1165
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:42.320
<v Speaker 1>No I know one.

1166
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't think there's any guarantee that that

1167
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:47.639
<v Speaker 2>mergers oh we.

1168
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Need to do, oh we need to do is merge

1169
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Man United and Liverpool. Lair bullshit moves them together, right,

1170
01:04:53.239 --> 01:05:00.159
<v Speaker 1>fixtures next week on Thursday. I think it is say

1171
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.039
<v Speaker 1>the twenty third Lee Leopards at home to Huddersfield Giants.

1172
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's had a silver boar up poor on Friday,

1173
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.880
<v Speaker 2>couldn't catch a cold. I think probably after that win,

1174
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.480
<v Speaker 2>they're getting a few bodies back back at home. I

1175
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:20.679
<v Speaker 2>think the league grind that one out.

1176
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:23.960
<v Speaker 1>One of the promoted sides is going to win a

1177
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.559
<v Speaker 1>game next week, because you're are playing to lose on Thursday.

1178
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a that's a real fifty to fifty game.

1179
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:36.039
<v Speaker 2>It'srugging two games on Thursday. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly.

1180
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.239
<v Speaker 2>It was mentioned to me that maybe that was to

1181
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.519
<v Speaker 2>do with York City and their playoff Ronald or whatever

1182
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.639
<v Speaker 2>it is in football, But I'm not sure exactly why

1183
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:46.320
<v Speaker 2>there are two games.

1184
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 1>We normally discussed this off air, but we're going to

1185
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:51.440
<v Speaker 1>do one of those two for after the hooter.

1186
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, potentially I might be at the Leeds Catalans game

1187
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:57.159
<v Speaker 2>on Friday night.

1188
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.280
<v Speaker 1>But it'd be better. It's actually it's actually easy for me.

1189
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 1>If you're at the if you if you're at home.

1190
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.719
<v Speaker 2>We need to we need to get away from putting

1191
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:08.679
<v Speaker 2>out in super games against each other on TV. It's

1192
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 2>just nonsense.

1193
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Stop winging Friday Castle twenty No, not cast for twenty.

1194
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.920
<v Speaker 1>That's the time Castleford versus whole f C.

1195
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:21.639
<v Speaker 2>What was that.

1196
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.039
<v Speaker 1>For those? For those listening, John just gave me the

1197
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:29.239
<v Speaker 1>V That's how English you are. Now, that's how English

1198
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.119
<v Speaker 1>you are, because everybody knows why you're putting two fingers?

1199
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:35.960
<v Speaker 1>What two of what? You know? Why we do that?

1200
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Don't you use because we used to cut the fingers

1201
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.440
<v Speaker 1>off of the French, the French that we caught because

1202
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of the bow and arrow. Yes, and it meant a

1203
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:47.639
<v Speaker 1>few have still got my two fingers.

1204
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Concentrate on two teams in great form.

1205
01:06:52.360 --> 01:07:00.480
<v Speaker 1>They're playing they're playing the Andy Last Cup. Yes, sponsored

1206
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:01.159
<v Speaker 1>by Greg's.

1207
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.320
<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to win today and I think, yeah,

1208
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:06.840
<v Speaker 2>it'll be that'll be a really tough game. Maybe maybe

1209
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:09.039
<v Speaker 2>hello cease. It's like the favorites and.

1210
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.159
<v Speaker 1>That leads hosting catalans or as you call them, because

1211
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 1>you're a Yorkshireman now catalans.

1212
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the the mighty rhinos here. They're attacks

1213
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:24.559
<v Speaker 2>on firing and catalans usually follow up one good performance

1214
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:27.599
<v Speaker 2>with the poor one, usually away from home. So yeah,

1215
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:28.719
<v Speaker 2>I'll have my money.

1216
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:32.360
<v Speaker 1>On the Rhinos, Warrington and Wiggans. A big game that night, Sugar.

1217
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:34.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a massive Yeah, that's a massive game.

1218
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah really rather than just going to good ones near

1219
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:41.199
<v Speaker 1>your house, be a proper journal.

1220
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah mate, Well if you want to send me over

1221
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.599
<v Speaker 2>one hundred quid for my time and my petrol, Yeah

1222
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.519
<v Speaker 2>that worked for free, my friend. Well, I'm literally working

1223
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:54.039
<v Speaker 2>for free on this podcast. But yeah, just do it.

1224
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Do it off TV like half of them do. Bradford

1225
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:02.719
<v Speaker 1>play Whole k R on Saturday afternoon. That's an interesting time.

1226
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:09.920
<v Speaker 1>It is going up against soccer, I think formally enough,

1227
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd worry well Bradford City get more fence than the Bulls.

1228
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.680
<v Speaker 1>And Saint Helens are going up against Wakefield in the

1229
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:17.479
<v Speaker 1>five thirty I.

1230
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Think a big wholek win.

1231
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:21.279
<v Speaker 1>That could be a against soccer a lot of you know,

1232
01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:26.399
<v Speaker 1>so the whole k are will win that small field though.

1233
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:32.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've mentioned that six six episodes.

1234
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's and Waki that's a big game too. Are

1235
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:39.319
<v Speaker 1>you going to that one?

1236
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a that's a really interesting game. I mean Wakefield,

1237
01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:47.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're looking really good. So Helens have picked

1238
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:50.800
<v Speaker 2>up some some great results. So yeah, that maight be

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<v Speaker 2>the that in the Wigan game. I think of the

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<v Speaker 2>pixel the round by.

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<v Speaker 1>Far and in a sacrilege moment. There isn't a rugby

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<v Speaker 1>league game in the top tier or Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that happens more often. You think Sunday particularly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've had to shut the blinds because that's

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<v Speaker 2>how sunny, the lovely Yorkshire sun and spring it out.

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<v Speaker 2>You think Sunday AVOs, much like in Australia, would be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, perfect time. We could have a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I don't know if one o'clock is too early,

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<v Speaker 2>but at one o'clock and then and then at four

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock or a three point thirty. Yeah, it'd be perfect go.

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<v Speaker 1>Up against soccer too. What have you got in your week, John?

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<v Speaker 2>I should have my interview with Andrew Abdo out tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>in the paper and the Eye Paper had about six

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen nineteen minutes with him on the phone, obviously not

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<v Speaker 2>covered in all in that story, but some interesting comments

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<v Speaker 2>that he made about the prospect of well he talks

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<v Speaker 2>to be Super League.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was about the Eye Paper. So is it

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<v Speaker 1>something that's popular more popular up north or up south

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<v Speaker 1>or and how does it travel now compared to all

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<v Speaker 1>the other what were the broadsheet newspapers?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's I guess that the change

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<v Speaker 2>in tabloid and broadsheet is basically tabloid essentially not only

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<v Speaker 2>means a style of journalism, but also the format. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's in a tabloid format that you could consider it

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<v Speaker 2>a broadsheet in terms of its journalistic quality. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's a national newspaper. It's sort of the forerunner

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<v Speaker 2>of the Independent, or sorry, not the fore runner, the follower,

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<v Speaker 2>the success.

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<v Speaker 1>It's company and everything is it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of the Daily Mail company. I believe they

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<v Speaker 2>got book but yeah, I mean it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a growing readership. It's it's one of the nationals. That's

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<v Speaker 2>it's doing well. Obviously you've got in England you've got

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<v Speaker 2>massive amount of national newspapers. You've got you know, your left,

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<v Speaker 2>your right wing, your Mirrors, your suns, your Times, your

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Telegraph, your Guardian, and then you've got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>still some Sunday papers like the Observer. So yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a real broad market. But the Eyepaper I think is

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<v Speaker 2>great for particularly for sports journalism. They've They've given me

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of space in rugby league and you know

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<v Speaker 2>the chance to work on some massive stories and some

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<v Speaker 2>big stories. You know, back page the other day with

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<v Speaker 2>the North Wales story, which you know generally rugby league

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make the back pages in national newspapers in England ever.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, action outside Greg's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe that was probably back page of The

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<v Speaker 2>Mirror and the The Sun. I do remember last year

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Mail had on the back page the

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<v Speaker 2>claim by the former Salford Chief Operating Officer Claire Bradbury

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<v Speaker 2>about the comment that she should have sex with the

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<v Speaker 2>RFL to to sort over the Yeah, deep, so what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, on the subject of newspapers personal opinion, the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily Mail is an absolute piece of ship and that's no.

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<v Speaker 1>That's no reference to their right leanings, whether the right

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<v Speaker 1>left or whatever. That's not my point. It's just the

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<v Speaker 1>I just hate it with a passion. I consume a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the English newspapers and yeah, that's just trash

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<v Speaker 1>trash central. Yeah, sort of saw that out there. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get me admin at Rugby League Coach dot Comma

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<v Speaker 1>tey you Rugby League Coach dot comment to you at

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League coach on Socials, Johnny.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get me on X Johnny D. Davidson can

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<v Speaker 2>get me on Facebook at John Davidson Journalist on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>And your new Instagram page. If you didn't interrupt me,

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<v Speaker 1>you interrupt me all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Quiet the adults are talking, trying at Rugby League Hub

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<v Speaker 2>dot coming on Instagram and you work out, Johnny D.

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<v Speaker 2>Davidson r L. Come for terrible videos, poor insights and

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<v Speaker 2>other things from the world of rugby.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll probably be after the hooter Thursday night, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>when John sorts his shit out. See you later,