Speaker 1: My name is Will and I'm Garon, and unlike mulderin Scully.
Speaker 2: We both want to believe.
Speaker 1: So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.
Speaker 3: We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
Speaker 3: metaphysical world.
Speaker 1: We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
Speaker 1: joined a coven of witches.
Speaker 2: And wait, you joined a coven yep.
Speaker 1: All on the interest of finding something, anything, that will
Speaker 1: prove that there's something beyond this physical.
Speaker 3: Three dimensional world we all live in.
Speaker 1: This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. This episode of The Skeptic
Speaker 1: Metaphysicians was recorded live at the Edgar Casey AAR. Our
Speaker 1: guest today has been a consulting astrologer and teacher for
Speaker 1: over forty years. She's a graduate of Noel Till's master's course,
Speaker 1: where she achieved highest honors. She has a thriving international
Speaker 1: practice and it's frequently published in The Mountain Astrologer.
Speaker 4: And if that's not enough, she's often called.
Speaker 1: A lecture here at the AAR and a bunch of
Speaker 1: other venues, including Astrology University and Kepler College.
Speaker 4: Well, we're excited to welcome to the show Kathy Rose. Kathy,
Speaker 4: thanks so much for being with us today.
Speaker 2: Happy to be here and chat with you guys in
Speaker 2: my favorite location at the are.
Speaker 4: It's one of our favorites.
Speaker 3: We love it here too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's just dive right into it.
Speaker 1: For those who are uninitiated astrology, you always think of
Speaker 1: you look, you pick up your newspaper and you look
Speaker 1: at your horoscope, and today is going to be this
Speaker 1: kind of day whatever. But astrology so much more than
Speaker 1: just that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the astrology you get in the newspaper is actually
Speaker 2: the worst kind, and I would highly recommend you run
Speaker 2: the opposite direction.
Speaker 3: How do you do about explain a lot, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because it's often fatalistic. It's often going to tell you
Speaker 2: how your day will be. And the astrology I practice
Speaker 2: is very different from that. I think that we obviously
Speaker 2: we all have a birth chart, but your birth chart
Speaker 2: is an imprint at the time you were born from
Speaker 2: the planetary frequencies. But that imprint is designed to help
Speaker 2: us understand what we are here to develop, what we
Speaker 2: are here to consolidate or heal or release.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm a proponent of reincarnation in past lives, and
Speaker 2: so we bring with us unhealed things from other lifetimes
Speaker 2: or where we need to have resolution, and the birch
Speaker 2: chart shows that. So we're not stuck with what some
Speaker 2: might feel or limiting patterns in the birth chart. We're
Speaker 2: here actually to resolve those and make those grow. So
Speaker 2: and one other thing. I don't think planets do things.
Speaker 2: I think people do things. So if you read something
Speaker 2: like today is going to be a very difficult day
Speaker 2: because of this planetary configuration, I advise people get into
Speaker 2: their Maverick spirit, let it go and take charge and
Speaker 2: create the day you want. Don't the planets are going
Speaker 2: to make your day a certain way. Makes sense?
Speaker 3: Yes, So it's not like a predetermined like if you're
Speaker 3: a cancer, this is how you're going to be here.
Speaker 3: So I like that we have a little bit more
Speaker 3: wiggle room just before I'm going to interrupt you, or
Speaker 3: actually I'm going to stop it from interrupting me.
Speaker 2: One more question about the charts.
Speaker 3: I've heard people say how I'm getting my chart done.
Speaker 3: In my head, I imagine like all these pages of
Speaker 3: all this stuff, what is it just really simply what
Speaker 3: does a birth chart or an astrological chart look like?
Speaker 2: It can be one page, So we take the time,
Speaker 2: date and place of birth. Now the computer calculates the
Speaker 2: positions of the planets. But I have silver hair, you know,
Speaker 2: I started doing this before we have the computer programs
Speaker 2: that would do that, and I would have to do
Speaker 2: all the math myself, which would take hours and hours.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But it's one page. It's a wheel with the planets
Speaker 2: on it that are showing you that imprint from the
Speaker 2: planets at the day of birth. But you know, when
Speaker 2: you do an astrological consultation, I don't do readings. I
Speaker 2: do consultations. And there's a difference. Oh, then I will
Speaker 2: have three pages of information in front of me from
Speaker 2: which I am interpreting and helping the client.
Speaker 4: Such a key distinction.
Speaker 1: You're not a reader, You're a consultant.
Speaker 4: That is absolutely.
Speaker 1: Key because I think in this day and age of
Speaker 1: dime store magicians everywhere, right that the word reading is
Speaker 1: always like, oh, I'm going to get psychic reading with
Speaker 1: strologies really means in this space we feel it's a science. Right,
Speaker 1: So there is like you mentioned, doing maths for hours
Speaker 1: on end, there is a science to this. So consultation
Speaker 1: and bringing it back to what you said earlier, where
Speaker 1: it's a lot more than just your personality profile. It's
Speaker 1: also a way to dive into your challenges and your
Speaker 1: conflicts and what you need to look at to improve
Speaker 1: yourself and having a consultation to help you guide through that.
Speaker 4: That's a huge distinction. So I'm glad that you brought
Speaker 4: that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a huge distinction, because a consultation is
Speaker 2: a conversation, right, we get to interact and it's a
Speaker 2: jam session. Also, I like to say that every consultation
Speaker 2: I do is a jam session because you cannot look
Speaker 2: at a horoscope and know how a person is living
Speaker 2: that chart. And if anybody tells you so, like they
Speaker 2: look at your chart and say you will never have
Speaker 2: children or you are this way, they are doing you
Speaker 2: a big disservice because we don't know how you are
Speaker 2: living those energies. Two people could have the same chart
Speaker 2: and live them on opposite ends of the spectrum, and
Speaker 2: that's a profound thought, right, it get to decide, and
Speaker 2: you know, two people may have the same chart, but
Speaker 2: they're not the same souls. They don't have the same
Speaker 2: soul history, and they have free will as to how
Speaker 2: they express.
Speaker 1: It, and that kind of explains a lot when people say, well,
Speaker 1: we have to say birthdays, How are we completely different?
Speaker 1: So there's a lot more to it than just your planetary.
Speaker 4: Profile, I guess, lack of a better word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but it does seem like there is a
Speaker 3: lot to the planetary profile. And I've heard of like
Speaker 3: your sun sign, and I know there's different types of signs,
Speaker 3: but I am not well versed in astrology at all,
Speaker 3: So what is this? Is there a moon sign, and
Speaker 3: if so, how is that different than the sun sign? Like,
Speaker 3: can you explain that a little bit?
Speaker 2: Yeah? In this is why you want to steer away
Speaker 2: from the sun signed forecasts in the newspaper, because they're
Speaker 2: only taking one little, tiny part. There are ten planets
Speaker 2: that we consider, and we consider the Moon a planet,
Speaker 2: even though it's not a planet. We know that, but
Speaker 2: we call it that. And each one of the planets
Speaker 2: has a specific need profile. So your mercury in your chart,
Speaker 2: for example, the sign in which you find mercury suggests
Speaker 2: how you need to communicate, how you need to think,
Speaker 2: how you need to process information. Venus will show how
Speaker 2: you need to connect with people, how you need to
Speaker 2: be social. So the sign describes those needs Mars shows
Speaker 2: how you need to take action, what motivates you. So
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the need profile of the person. In fact,
Speaker 2: recently I gave a big webinar through Astrology University one
Speaker 2: of the venues where I teach advanced astrology, and the
Speaker 2: topic was mindfully interpreting children's charts. And I do a
Speaker 2: lot of children's charts. But I think it would be
Speaker 2: a horrible thing if you had a consultation from an
Speaker 2: astrologer to help you understand your children, and that astrologer
Speaker 2: told you exactly only the personality of the child, Because
Speaker 2: what you really want is that comparison, what is your
Speaker 2: need profile as a parent, and how is it alike
Speaker 2: or different from the need profile of your child, Because
Speaker 2: what you want to do is a parent, is to
Speaker 2: understand that child so that you can raise them and adjust,
Speaker 2: you know, to what their need profile is. For example,
Speaker 2: if you have a very very macho, assertive father who
Speaker 2: is sports oriented, you know, and and is competitive, and
Speaker 2: maybe that father has a son who is very gentle,
Speaker 2: who isn't competitive, who may not speak up it assertively
Speaker 2: in the same way, maybe artistic, may be spiritual, maybe musical,
Speaker 2: who knows, you know, the father has to understand the
Speaker 2: need profile of the son. And that's just one example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's great because then those types of consultations
Speaker 1: you get a takeaway. It's not just here's what your
Speaker 1: personality is. Well, I already knew that, so it's just confirmation.
Speaker 1: So this way you're able to have a takeaway as
Speaker 1: a parent so that you can now help raise your
Speaker 1: child in the right way.
Speaker 4: That's a we're going to talk sounds like a roadmap
Speaker 4: sort of sort of. I mean, would you say the roadmap.
Speaker 2: It's a life purpose. It helps to understand life purpose. Okay,
Speaker 2: and life purpose is not your life purpose is to
Speaker 2: start a school. Your life purpose is to be a doctor.
Speaker 2: Life purpose is what are you here to heal, resolve,
Speaker 2: or learn, you know, as a soul, So it's more inward.
Speaker 2: If your life purpose is to learn you are indeed
Speaker 2: lovable and you don't need to earn love. You don't
Speaker 2: need to please people in order to feel lovable. That's
Speaker 2: a valid life purpose and that shows up in the chart.
Speaker 2: People who have been told you're only going to get
Speaker 2: love if you act a certain way, You're only going
Speaker 2: to get love if you do me a favor You're
Speaker 2: only going to get approval if you buy me a gift.
Speaker 2: You know, then there can be a very deep life
Speaker 2: purpose issue of learning I'm inherently lovable. I deserve love
Speaker 2: simply because I am breathing, And that could be very
Speaker 2: much part of the life purpose for or a soul
Speaker 2: who has certain signatures to learn that, and that may
Speaker 2: be coming from other lifetimes or early childhood issues where
Speaker 2: love was contingent on or dependent on certain behaviors, you know.
Speaker 2: So we're looking at it differently because I'm a humanistic,
Speaker 2: therapeutic modern astrologer, not a fatalistic, rigid approach, which is
Speaker 2: all around us.
Speaker 3: Actually, oh yeah, so you get you get your chart
Speaker 3: and you have all of these different takeaways on different
Speaker 3: traits that you have. I'm thinking, like, just I cook
Speaker 3: a lot, and so it brings to mind a recipe.
Speaker 3: So you have the recipe, and depending on how you
Speaker 3: interpret the recipe, you know, you might use more sugar
Speaker 3: than that guy. So you can have the same recipe,
Speaker 3: but depending on what you do your work, you can
Speaker 3: have totally different flavors.
Speaker 1: Case in point, she follows a recipe, I follow the
Speaker 1: same recipe and it's a completely different.
Speaker 2: Dishes is a guideline, and that's why one of those
Speaker 2: intuitive cooks where you know, and that's how I approach astrology.
Speaker 2: So rather than following rigid rules, and I'm throwing things
Speaker 2: in and modifying it. And again, would you like for
Speaker 2: someone to tell you your personality? I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I tend to rebel against that and say, I get
Speaker 2: to choose my personality. You can tell me my need profiles,
Speaker 2: you can tell me my you know, the potential life
Speaker 2: purpose issues, but don't lock me in, don't categorize me
Speaker 2: or pigeonhole me. And that's what a lot of astrology
Speaker 2: used unwisely will do. Will pigeonhole you.
Speaker 3: And that makes so much sense because our daughter, I
Speaker 3: don't think she is like her.
Speaker 1: She's Scorpio sun science scorpio.
Speaker 3: Sun sign Scorpio right, So that's you know, from my
Speaker 3: understand I don't, like I said, I'm not well versed
Speaker 3: in astrology, but a very kind of hard personality can
Speaker 3: be vengeful, fiteful, and she's not like that. She's a
Speaker 3: gentle soul, beautiful.
Speaker 4: Now as a lifelong Gemini.
Speaker 1: Though I do like it when people tell me in
Speaker 1: my personality because I haven't figured it out yet, so
Speaker 1: it's always nice to know, uh.
Speaker 4: What it is every day I suppose I take every day.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's go back to address what you said about Scorpio.
Speaker 2: I think it's a shame that what often happens is
Speaker 2: you hear about the shadow side. So if you think
Speaker 2: about the spectrum of expression and that you can tip
Speaker 2: it positively to the highest version of that energy, or
Speaker 2: you can express the shadow and we get a face
Speaker 2: all of those and we do have choice. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: shadow side of Scorpio can be vengeful, can be grudge holding,
Speaker 2: can be intense, can be secretive. But the positive side
Speaker 2: of Scorpio, which is my sign, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: defend it, yes, can be profound and a secret of
Speaker 2: mysteries can be Somebody who needs a mission to accomplish,
Speaker 2: can be somebody who needs to point passionate emotional energy
Speaker 2: in a certain direction. Can be phenomenally loyal. But Scorpio
Speaker 2: needs a mission to accomplish, needs to have focused and
Speaker 2: there are all kinds of other layers that need to
Speaker 2: happen there too.
Speaker 3: I like that. I mean, that's that's just how she is.
Speaker 3: You tell her to do something, you and she'll get
Speaker 3: it done. But if you don't give her that mission,
Speaker 3: she's all over the place.
Speaker 1: But back to Kathy's point, where now knowing that now
Speaker 1: we can help her because then we can always give
Speaker 1: her a mission to accomplish it in order to move
Speaker 1: forward in her life.
Speaker 4: And that's a wonderful tool to have.
Speaker 3: And they'll keep us from getting frustrated when she doesn't
Speaker 3: just automatically do things that we would expect her to do.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, But as a Scorpio, it's a fixed sign.
Speaker 2: So when I teach beginning astrology, which I will be
Speaker 2: doing at the AAR in September, we're going to be
Speaker 2: teaching that beginning Astrology course, I'm going to be talking
Speaker 2: about the fact that the fixed signs, which are Taurus, Leo,
Speaker 2: Scorpio Aquarius, have as part of their life purpose the
Speaker 2: need to learn how to re lease control because fixed signs. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know for your daughter how many planets she
Speaker 2: has in that particular modality. You know, she may have
Speaker 2: a son in Scorpio and then the rest of her
Speaker 2: planets are in a completely different modality. But if you
Speaker 2: have a horoscope that has a lot of planets in
Speaker 2: the fixed modality. One of the life purpose issues is
Speaker 2: to learn the correct use of will, because will can
Speaker 2: be focused in a way where you are trying to
Speaker 2: force things to happen, make things happen, where you're rigidly
Speaker 2: attached to outcomes, where you're afraid if you don't have control,
Speaker 2: and the fixed signs like your Scorpio daughter, part of
Speaker 2: her mission is to learn use the focus, but then
Speaker 2: release and surrender and let it flow. Not be so
Speaker 2: attached that you are forcing or making things happen.
Speaker 1: Right, I think we need to talk offline because I
Speaker 1: think we need a consultation.
Speaker 3: I think we do.
Speaker 4: I mean just that alone. It helps me.
Speaker 1: Anyway, really put a lot of things into perspectives, things
Speaker 1: I've noticed in our daughter and how to move that forward.
Speaker 1: That's it's been incredibly helpful. And I don't even know
Speaker 1: how many planets she has in Scorpio.
Speaker 3: This sounds very complicated.
Speaker 2: It is very comple is but see when I do
Speaker 2: a consultation, I don't use jargon. So you know, if
Speaker 2: you don't know anything about astrology and you get a
Speaker 2: consult or a reading where somebody is saying planet sign
Speaker 2: house aspect, planet sign house aspect, your moon is in Taurres,
Speaker 2: your son is in Scorpio. You have these square to
Speaker 2: this planet, your that planet. You're just going to zone
Speaker 2: out and go, what the heck this?
Speaker 4: I use different thing in different terms, but yes that's correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I don't use jargon in a consultation or
Speaker 2: maybe just a tiny bit, but the need of a Gemini.
Speaker 2: Gemini is much more flexible again depending on the whole chart,
Speaker 2: much more mutable, much more changeable. And Scorpio the fixed sign.
Speaker 2: You have to approach change more carefully. If somebody forces
Speaker 2: change on me before I'm ready, I'm going to push back.
Speaker 2: But a Gemini is like change, Okay, good, Yes, I
Speaker 2: do love change.
Speaker 4: You do.
Speaker 3: So I'm cancer, So how does cancer feel about change?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh I got a face.
Speaker 2: No, I'm trouble cancer in a Gemini. And again this
Speaker 2: is why you can't go only on sun sign. You
Speaker 2: have to look at the end. You have to what
Speaker 2: I'm doing when I'm doing a consultation is I'm synthesizing
Speaker 2: hundreds of bits of data into statements. So you're putting
Speaker 2: it all together magically, which is it's an art form really,
Speaker 2: but cancer cancer is a water sign and it's a
Speaker 2: cardinal modality. So there's a lot of restlessness and movement.
Speaker 2: But cancer needs to nurture, needs to care. Cancer is
Speaker 2: coming from an emotional place like scorpios coming from an
Speaker 2: emotional base. Gemini is coming from an air sign, which
Speaker 2: is intellectual information oriented. Let's talk it through, let's think
Speaker 2: about it, let's gather more information. You know. So cancer
Speaker 2: is oriented to wanting emotional security.
Speaker 4: So yeah, nailed it.
Speaker 3: So you said in your consultations you don't use a
Speaker 3: lot of jargon, but there is a term that I
Speaker 3: have been hearing a lot lately and it inspires fear
Speaker 3: that I don't know why.
Speaker 4: In fact, we're about to here shortly, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, mercury retrograde.
Speaker 3: What does that mean? I have?
Speaker 2: Okay, as soon as we had social media and we
Speaker 2: had free marketing for astrologers. See I started my practice
Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty three, when the only marketing I
Speaker 2: had was word of mouth or collect the addresses, send
Speaker 2: out a newsletter by snail mail. Yeah, but then social
Speaker 2: media came along and tappity tappity tap, You're able to
Speaker 2: post whatever you want post and share it and have
Speaker 2: free marketing. And what happened astrologers sees a marketing moment
Speaker 2: to scare people to create fear, which sells. Mercury retrograde
Speaker 2: is a cycle that happens four times a year for
Speaker 2: three weeks at a time. Okay, so mercury looks like
Speaker 2: it's going backward by degree and sign, it's not really,
Speaker 2: it's the it's how it looks from Earth's perspective. But
Speaker 2: the bottom line, you will read all over the place
Speaker 2: on social media, mercury retrograde means there will be delays,
Speaker 2: there will be problems with technology. You can just expect it.
Speaker 2: And I've been on a campaign for the last twenty
Speaker 2: years to try to correct that. So I have a
Speaker 2: meme I put out that says my advice for mercury retrograde.
Speaker 2: Release your fear of mercury retrograde. It's a very productive cycle.
Speaker 2: It just makes information. It's a little bit more internalized
Speaker 2: during mercury retrograde. It's a time to check your data.
Speaker 2: It's a time to negotiate, organize, get things clear. It
Speaker 2: is nothing to be afraid of unless you believe it.
Speaker 2: So this is where the self fulfilling prophecy comes in.
Speaker 2: If you have been trained to believe mercury retrograde means
Speaker 2: your computer is going to break. If you've been trained
Speaker 2: to believe mercury retrograde means if you're taking a flight,
Speaker 2: your flight will be delayed. It probably will because you
Speaker 2: will get to be right. Because self fulfilling prophecy is
Speaker 2: be mindful what you tell yourself because you get to
Speaker 2: be right. I believe mercury retrograde is wonderful. You do
Speaker 2: have to learn to be flexible during a retrograde mercury.
Speaker 2: If you're traveling during retrograde mercury, I say, pack your flexibility,
Speaker 2: take it along with you on the trip, and just
Speaker 2: flow because things always work out. So I'd like to
Speaker 2: correct that your very reaction what you have been programmed
Speaker 2: to believe on mercury retrograde. But guess what, it's a
Speaker 2: marketing moment. It works.
Speaker 3: Because everybody says that. I mean even me. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's bad. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: You have told your subconscious it's going to be bad,
Speaker 2: and your subconscious goes, Okay, you get to be right about.
Speaker 4: That, right right.
Speaker 1: But not to downplay there are it does have every
Speaker 1: every phase does have some effect on someone. It's just
Speaker 1: how you decide to to react to it. Like, for example,
Speaker 1: for me, I've noticed over time that during Murcury retrograde,
Speaker 1: I have a more difficult time expressing my thoughts in
Speaker 1: a coherent way.
Speaker 4: I turned into a blithering idiot. So during those times.
Speaker 1: During Mercury retrograde, I know, okay, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get into any debates. I'm not going to get into
Speaker 1: any intellectual conversations where I need to show my strengths,
Speaker 1: which is my.
Speaker 4: Mental capacities.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take a break and just allow this
Speaker 1: energies to pass through, and then once Mercury leads a
Speaker 1: retrogate phase, I can go back to my fierce debating
Speaker 1: skills and things like that.
Speaker 4: Right now, is that mental as well? Or is that
Speaker 4: does it actually have an effect?
Speaker 2: Okay, so three things I hope I can remember all
Speaker 2: three that I want to comment about. This number one,
Speaker 2: when we receive a cycle like this, we are receiving
Speaker 2: the frequencies from the planets. So yes, you know, during
Speaker 2: a Mercury retrograde or a specific transit that might be
Speaker 2: happening in your chart, you're actually receiving the frequencies of
Speaker 2: that planet with Mercury's communication, energy and data and all that.
Speaker 2: And as a Gemini, your ruling planet is mercury. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it could be that you react or respond powerfully to
Speaker 2: mercury retrogrades. However, I would issue you a challenge. Okay,
Speaker 2: are you reacting that way because you've been told mercury
Speaker 2: retrograde's coming up and you've experienced it in the past,
Speaker 2: Therefore you believe it will happen again. What if I
Speaker 2: gave you misinformation and I told you mercury retrograde was
Speaker 2: at a different time when it's really not happening. Would
Speaker 2: that happen because you expect it? I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a very real and profound and deep thing to think about, right,
Speaker 2: What if you were never told mercury might do that?
Speaker 2: What if you weren't told the cycle was happening, would
Speaker 2: you still experience it?
Speaker 1: It's interesting because for me it seemed to be a pattern,
Speaker 1: and then when I was told, oh, it's because mercury retrograde,
Speaker 1: I went, aha, Now it could be that I grabbed
Speaker 1: onto it, but maybe it's not.
Speaker 4: I don't got it to your point. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's really effective me because I had
Speaker 3: no idea what it was. All of a sudden, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: something bad was happening that one. But I like what
Speaker 3: you said about it being a time of productivity, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, okay, So maybe you see turmoil in your business,
Speaker 3: like all this stuff is happening and you think, oh,
Speaker 3: marcuar retrograde. But it's showing you the things that need
Speaker 3: to be changed, so you're like, Okay, this is happening.
Speaker 3: This has happening, so I need to make these changes.
Speaker 3: So it's a difficult time, but actually with the result
Speaker 3: of that is going to be something that's going to
Speaker 3: make your business run better exactly.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is if the degrees and sign
Speaker 2: in which mercury is retrograde hits planets in your chart,
Speaker 2: If you have planets at those same degrees and signs,
Speaker 2: then you get extra productivity. This one that's coming up
Speaker 2: in a few days, mercury will begin to retrograde at
Speaker 2: four degrees virgo and retrograde back into LEO, and then
Speaker 2: it'll go direct at twenty one leo. So people with
Speaker 2: planets between twenty one leo and four virgo are going
Speaker 2: to receive this transit directly to their chart and have
Speaker 2: a period of time that can be extra productive with
Speaker 2: extra insights, with extra clarity, unless they believe everything just
Speaker 2: falls apart during mercury retrograde, so I might as well surrender.
Speaker 2: You know. It's this consciousness of blame the planets, and
Speaker 2: I rebel against that with every fiber of my being,
Speaker 2: because if astrology affects my life so that I don't
Speaker 2: get to choose my state of mind, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to engage with it. I get to choose how I respond.
Speaker 2: I get to choose my reaction. If astrology takes away
Speaker 2: that choice, I don't it's not worthy of even engaging
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 3: I like that. That's such a different take on it,
Speaker 3: and that, for some reason reminded me of it. Was
Speaker 3: it was it Nancy Reagan who had an astrologer that
Speaker 3: supposed she wouldn't do anything like she met with this astrologer.
Speaker 2: Every day or every week or something.
Speaker 4: Do that currently?
Speaker 2: Well, that's true, but.
Speaker 3: I think so then in that and her case or
Speaker 3: someone like that's case, would they be just going by
Speaker 3: the sun sign?
Speaker 2: The more predictive, it's very complicated. That's called electional astrology.
Speaker 2: Electional astrologies when you elect a time to do something,
Speaker 2: and it's a very big part of astrology. It's not
Speaker 2: my favorite part of my art form here because there
Speaker 2: are a lot of astrologers who won't leave the house
Speaker 2: unless the planets are in the right position. They won't
Speaker 2: send an email unless the moon is doing something positive.
Speaker 2: And I never do that.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 2: I had to have hip surgery a few months ago
Speaker 2: to fix the first hip replacement. Many people are having
Speaker 2: to have this done. It's called a hip revision. And
Speaker 2: you know, there were a lot of astrologers who said, oh,
Speaker 2: do not have surgery. This year's planets are bad. You
Speaker 2: will have a problem. And I said, no, I won't
Speaker 2: because I'm going to bless my surgery and I'm going
Speaker 2: to have all my friends send good energy for the
Speaker 2: surgery and it has to happen. And I didn't even
Speaker 2: look at the chart for the day I planned surgery.
Speaker 2: And I'm an astrologery, this is my field. I went,
Speaker 2: it's all clear. My intuition tells me it's fine. I'm
Speaker 2: in the flow. It's working perfectly, and the surgery was perfect.
Speaker 2: So there is something to say about honoring your instinct,
Speaker 2: honoring your connection with the divine and if something is
Speaker 2: in the flow, you don't have to look at the planets.
Speaker 2: If you have the green light inside you that says
Speaker 2: go do it. You're in the flow. Please do it.
Speaker 2: Because as soon as you stop to measure, you take
Speaker 2: out that little you know, measuring stick in astrology, you
Speaker 2: calculate all the degrees you know. Then you're living by
Speaker 2: measurement and you step out a flow. Yeah right, wow.
Speaker 3: So that astrology can be used as either a way
Speaker 3: to open your horizons or if it's not used correctly,
Speaker 3: it can be very limiting.
Speaker 2: Yes, So when I do a consultation, what I'm talking
Speaker 2: about is here the life purpose is life purpose issues
Speaker 2: suggested by your natal chart. And then here are the cycles,
Speaker 2: the developmental waves of energy happening now, and we calculate
Speaker 2: those in various ways. One way is transits, which are
Speaker 2: where the planets are now and how they compare to
Speaker 2: your chart. Another is a technical term called solar arcs,
Speaker 2: which is developmental movement of the planets. But the bottom
Speaker 2: line is my job is to educate the client on
Speaker 2: the kinds of energyes, the kinds of frequencies, and the
Speaker 2: timing of those energies in their developmental waves. So that
Speaker 2: they can use it better and make better choices. It's
Speaker 2: very different if you go through a Saturn transit versus
Speaker 2: a Uranus transit. Saturn is heavier, It requires commitment and
Speaker 2: hard work, and you know, not giving up Uranus is
Speaker 2: delightfully adventurous and requires change. So my job is to
Speaker 2: communicate that and to find out what's currently going on
Speaker 2: in the person's life, and then to advance that strategically
Speaker 2: by looking at the planetary patterns.
Speaker 4: Makes sense, It makes perfect sense, Kathy.
Speaker 1: I could literally sit here and talk to you for hours,
Speaker 1: because this is fascinating and it sounds like we're going
Speaker 1: to have a chance because you're coming to the eggrocacyari
Speaker 1: here in September.
Speaker 4: Tell us a little bit about that. What are you
Speaker 4: doing here? When are you doing it? That kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Teaching a beginner's course is always quite challenging because of
Speaker 2: the very thing you said, which is an overwhelming amount
Speaker 2: of information. But early September, there's going to be a
Speaker 2: Friday section, a Friday evening section, and then all day
Speaker 2: Saturday and the half day Sunday, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: teach people how to understand the building blocks in astrology,
Speaker 2: how to look at their own horoscope and start to
Speaker 2: get a sense of how they can apply it. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't teach everything in that timeframe, but people are
Speaker 2: going to walk away understanding the frequencies of the signs,
Speaker 2: the frequencies of the planets, the need profile that goes
Speaker 2: with that, and they're going to be able to apply
Speaker 2: it to their own chart to start getting a basis.
Speaker 2: And it is so much more powerful to learn it
Speaker 2: that way than to do astrology by Google search. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: my moon is in Taurus. What does that mean? And
Speaker 2: then google, well, it's like my daughter's son is Scorpio.
Speaker 2: What does that mean? It means she's vengeful, it means
Speaker 2: she's secretive. Oh that's I can't even begin to tell
Speaker 2: you how frustrated I get with that kind of information
Speaker 2: because it is one dimensional. It's shallow, it's negative, it's limiting,
Speaker 2: it's you know, so I try to teach the whole
Speaker 2: spectrum and this concept of choice and this concept of
Speaker 2: take this frequency, take this energetic imprint you have, live
Speaker 2: it to the highest level and resolve the tension that
Speaker 2: maybe in your chart, and grow and develop and learn.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a great course and you've taught us
Speaker 3: so much in this little amount of time that we've
Speaker 3: had with you today. So if someone can't wait till
Speaker 3: some time, how would be the best way for them
Speaker 3: to reach out and get in touch with you?
Speaker 2: They can contact me by email Rosstrology at yatoo yahoo
Speaker 2: dot com. Although right now my consultation schedule is almost
Speaker 2: full for twenty four and I'm going to be booking
Speaker 2: for twenty five soon. Wow, So to get on it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's a weight period, you know. But I've been
Speaker 2: doing this for forty two years and now finally I'm
Speaker 2: at the place where I've got a big client base internationally.
Speaker 2: I'm literally in a day to day basis. We'll talk
Speaker 2: to people all over the world, I hop, you know,
Speaker 2: through the world, and it's it's so much fun talk
Speaker 2: to Australia one hour, and then the next hour you're
Speaker 2: talking to somebody in Scotland, then after that in Brazil.
Speaker 2: That's wonderfully fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can only imagine.
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Speaker 2: It was very nice to meet you guys. Likewise, likewise,
Speaker 2: thanks a lot for the great conversation.
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