1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,039 Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos. I am Dana Valley coming 2 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,399 at you with our bonus clip of the week. Not 3 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:23,320 sure I'll be doing this every week on the offseason, 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,199 but the goal is to whenever I can, if there's 5 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:26,879 something I want to react to, to post it as 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,839 a just a bonus clip, very ultra mini episode in 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,320 addition to the three full length episodes that we give 8 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:34,320 you per week at the moment, and I'm gonna tell 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,920 you why you're gonna subscribe, not just because we put 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,679 out a bunch of content, but it's Saturday night. Instead 11 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:42,000 of being out gallivanting with the youths, I'm here recording 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,240 this content for you because I know that you need 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,719 to hear about Larry marketing. I thought Zach Low and 14 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,240 Tim McMahon ESPN had a very interesting discussion on the 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,479 Low Post this past week, So I'm gonna it's on 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,159 the video. We'll throw it up on YouTube. But also 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,320 if you're hearing it on audio, I think it'll translate. Well, 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,280 We're just gonna react to it. So that's why you're 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,079 gonna subscribe, Like comment on YouTube, help the Agolove's back, 20 00:01:01,399 --> 00:01:04,079 and get on Spotify, Apple. The whole nine, subscribe, tell 21 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:06,040 people about us. 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I don't 32 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,159 know why YouTube inflated, like I don't know, five to 33 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:37,040 ten dollars an item. But let's get off and running 34 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:39,879 and talk about lowry marketing and the Utah Jazz, the future, 35 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:42,799 the whole nine. Okay, here we go. This entire clip 36 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:44,640 of theirs is like nine minutes long. I don't know 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,319 if I'll watch the whole thing. We want to get 38 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:47,519 the gist of it, and I don't want to keep 39 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:49,879 you here for an absolute hour, although maybe I will. 40 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:52,120 We never know what happens around these parts. So let's 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,879 let's get to some Zach low and Tim McMahon talk. 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,239 Speaker 2: What like, what do we think is actually going to 43 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:57,799 happen here? 44 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,159 Speaker 1: And so I'm just gonna stop it right there, as 45 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,319 I always do at the beginning, zachlow and Tim McMahon. 46 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:05,040 I think it called a friend of the podcast, Tim 47 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:07,400 micc mamahn because he either follows Hardwood Knocks or me. 48 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,800 I can't remember. I should look at that. Don't know 49 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,479 why he would have followed either, but that's really cool. 50 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,120 If there were two people that I could get like 51 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:17,759 a drink with in the industry as insiders, they would 52 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,520 be or a bunch of people, they would certainly be 53 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,240 on the list. And in a way they kind of 54 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,360 remind me of me and Grant. Although zach Lowe is 55 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,560 way smarter than I am. He brings that forrenetic over exuberant. 56 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:31,639 Did I just pop Molly and decide to record a 57 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,639 podcast and talk about the NBA energy like He's always 58 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,639 just so into it and he can talk a mile 59 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,919 a minute just like I do. And then Tim McMahon 60 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,520 is we all know that Grant has the same level 61 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,319 of inside information, of course, but laid back, very funny, 62 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,520 can say some clever lines at points, but it's someone 63 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,719 that when I think, you listen to and it's just 64 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:52,159 a nice balance to that for neetic energy. And so 65 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:55,800 this is basically me reacting to Grant and myself and 66 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,520 Grant's on vacation. So that's pretty apropos right now as 67 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,120 I miss him so much that I need that dynamic. 68 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:03,000 But that's just a nice little comp But I would 69 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,680 say these are two guys I enjoy listening to, and 70 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,560 I know a lot of people don't like listening to 71 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,240 national voices. These are two of the ones that I 72 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,759 admire their insight, I admire the inside information they get, 73 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:16,039 but they also just seem like people I'd want to 74 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:17,879 go out and have them. I don't drink, so go 75 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,479 out and pop an edible with or have a meal with. 76 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:22,879 So just in case you need to needed to hear 77 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,560 that Utah Jazz fans and or slash general basketball fans. 78 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: When yeah, So, my best educated guess is that Lowry 79 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:38,719 Marketen will not be traded this summer, that he will 80 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:42,919 sign the extension after August sixth. 81 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,919 Speaker 1: We have talked about this exact scenario on the POD. 82 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,120 I think Grant might have even predicted it when we 83 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,639 were doing our one big question for each team. And 84 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,759 so for anyone who doesn't know already, lowry marketing can 85 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,439 be renegotiated and extended, and the way it would essentially work, 86 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:59,599 the numbers could be different. But the Jazz have the 87 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:02,879 caps to give him his max salary for next season, 88 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,719 and that would cost about twenty four million other cap space. 89 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,840 His max salary is a little over forty two. He's 90 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,960 already making a little over eighteen, so about twenty four 91 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,759 million bucks. They then have the option of extending him 92 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:16,160 off that number, so he could get the boat of 93 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:18,120 I believe it's four years and two hundred and seven 94 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,199 point eight million dollars. Whatever the number is, it's over 95 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,839 two hundred million. So you would then lock him down. 96 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:25,000 You would still have him for next season plus four 97 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:27,240 additional seasons, and that is the max. He could then 98 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,680 end up guaranteeing himself like five years total, and let's 99 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,759 say like two hundred and forty seven forty eight million, 100 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,680 and if you include the initial eighteen he's making, it's 101 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,720 like an additional two hundred and thirty million dollars over 102 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,920 that five year span. So that is an option he 103 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:47,360 could explore. We talked about him not agreeing to hit 104 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:50,959 the renegotiate and extend button on August sixth, because that's 105 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,839 the last that's the day he's eligible and the last 106 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,639 day that he can sign it and also be traded 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,720 in season at the deadline. That that one that one day, 108 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,680 and I understand it from his perspective. Tim McMahon gets 109 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,120 into it a little bit here, though, so let's let 110 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,480 him talk about it before I go into any more detail. 111 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:07,920 He is not going. 112 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: To sign an extension on August sixth and live with 113 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,600 being in constant trade rumors up until February sixth. He 114 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,079 is not going to put himself in a position where 115 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,399 he's going to have to deal with that, you know, 116 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:24,720 as a married father with a young family that is 117 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:27,439 happy in Utah. Like Lowry's made it clear, he likes 118 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,959 being in Utah. You know, he wants to be part 119 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,439 of the future there the Jazz front office. 120 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: And that is what we had talked about. Not being 121 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:39,199 married and having kids, not way up root yourself, but 122 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,920 the whole issue of not wanting to relocate mid season 123 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:45,279 if you have the leverage to dictate when you sign 124 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,439 the extension. You could sign it the day after ensure 125 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,319 that I'm just going to be here all year. We 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,279 could figure this thing out next summer or later down 127 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,839 the road. And it also, of course matters if he 128 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,360 really likes living in Utah, likes being a focal point 129 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,399 of their offense. This could be on some level, maybe 130 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:02,279 it is posturing and not in the sense that he 131 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,839 doesn't want to play for the jazz or the organization 132 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,680 or be in the city, but maybe he doesn't want 133 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,079 to be part of a longer term, gradual rebuild. And 134 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:13,519 if he's thinking, oh, they'll either accelerate their timeline, or 135 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,240 he's just posturing to hey, I want to get this 136 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,839 massive raise immediately rather than wait until next summer. 137 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:23,199 Speaker 3: You know, obviously you always take things with a grain 138 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,120 of salt, but the Jazz front office will hardy. They've 139 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,199 made it clear they love having lowry marketing, like you know, 140 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:34,160 kind of the messaging you hear out of Utah's, Hey, 141 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,519 Larry Markin's not on the trade block, like we'll take calls, 142 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,079 will listen like I do. 143 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,639 Speaker 1: Think that's an important element of all this where I 144 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:46,759 probably would, if I had to guess, think that Tim 145 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,199 McMahon is overstating the degree to which lowry marketing is 146 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,000 not available. But this isn't like the Jazz calling around 147 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,040 the league howking lowry marketing and getting ready to take 148 00:06:57,399 --> 00:06:59,519 what would be the best offer. It wasn't like that 149 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,879 with the Nets mchel Bridges. It was they probably lined 150 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,279 up that trade with Houston and then they would have 151 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:05,959 maybe they would have called around and see what they 152 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:07,759 could have gotten from chel Bridges. But there was probably 153 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:10,839 a bunch of standing offers, top shelf offers. And so 154 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:13,519 while we've only seen kind of the Warriors and the 155 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,519 Spurs mentioned most publicly when it comes to marketing, there 156 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:18,759 are other offers that I'm sure are on the table 157 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,480 and you talk and circle back to them, or teams 158 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:22,480 will circle back to them, or maybe they call them 159 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,120 to see if they're up their offer. But I don't 160 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,040 view this right now as the Jazz trying to auction 161 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:29,680 Larry marketing off where they view it as, hey, we 162 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:31,439 have to move them, because if we felt that way, 163 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,120 they just never would renegotiate and extended so that they 164 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:35,800 keep the flexibility of moving him. 165 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: Got to do your due diligence. But he's not quote 166 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:42,199 unquote being shopped he's not going to It's not like, hey, 167 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:44,720 whoever makes the best bid for Larry Marketing gets him. 168 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: There you go. 169 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: You mentioned like the Warriors, Lowry Marketing at the right 170 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,199 price for the Warriors would be unbelievable. The right price 171 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,360 for the Warriors ain't getting Larry Marketed. 172 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: And that, from what we've seen reported and just what 173 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,680 we all know, kind of seems in line where it's 174 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,279 the jack want. It seems Pods and all the available picks, 175 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:06,240 probably plus Moody whatever salary. I don't know if they're 176 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:09,160 hot for Kaminga or they're insisting he'd be included on that, 177 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,439 but it seems like if the Warriors were gonna get 178 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,959 Larry Marketing, they'd have to be POD's, Moody and all 179 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,439 the picks at the bare minimum. And well, I think 180 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:18,959 that's a fair line for them to just draw based 181 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,560 on Marketing's immediate value and the Warriors maybe desperation. Even 182 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,920 though Draymond Green says he put the kebash on any deal, 183 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,360 I don't know if he's trying to gain the Warriors 184 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,959 leverage or if he's just trying to make a team 185 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,080 like he's he's in the young guys' corner in case 186 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,519 this doesn't go down. Maybe it's a little bit of both. 187 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,200 But if you're the Warriors, yeah, you want to maximize 188 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,000 Steph's present Draymond's present. But are they good enough to 189 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:42,840 be the two best players on a title team or 190 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,399 Steph good enough to be the best player on a 191 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:47,600 title team when his second best player is Draymond Green 192 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,440 or Larry Marketing? That's in question. And then to then 193 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,399 give up all that stuff to where you're basically punting 194 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,639 on the future, let's say, except for Jonathan Kaminga, you 195 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:59,840 understand both sides of why there might be a stalemate. 196 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,159 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, uh, you know you like your house, right, Zach. 197 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:07,399 Speaker 2: It's all right when a home only what they don't 198 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:09,000 tell you about owning a home in the movies, I 199 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:11,120 guess they do in movies like the money Pit is 200 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:14,480 just like it is a something is always going wrong. 201 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: And a fucking men as someone who is a homeowner, 202 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:22,519 and it's just always something are in the dead of July, 203 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,840 our Central Air went out and so we're gonna have 204 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,000 to replace that. That's nice, little who doesn't just want 205 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,080 to drop fourteen grand in the bucket? And I know 206 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,879 Central air is a luxury. I want to make that clear. 207 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:34,600 I know I'm still super lucky, but it's always something 208 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:37,559 with a house that's not really related to Larry Market. 209 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,120 Although he probably has whatever he's renting or purchased in Utah, 210 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,720 he is probably don't want some stuff. 211 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: And you might be shocked to know. To McMahon, our 212 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:45,519 listeners are surely going to be shocked to know I 213 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,480 can't fix anything. 214 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: I have no handyman on that same thing. I don't 215 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,039 you know, I'd like I used to like the blame 216 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:55,879 growing up in a house without a father to teach 217 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:58,480 me this stuff, and my my mother was not super handy. 218 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,799 But at this point it's just I could learned. There 219 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:02,960 are people that tried to teach me. I almost the 220 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,120 stuff that the tool that's called a saws on when 221 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:06,960 I was younger and took down a halfpipe for my 222 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,639 then girlfriend's father and now my father in law and 223 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,200 it was her brother's I almost chopped my neck off 224 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,120 basically with that thing. And it was you work so 225 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,759 much and then you know time to learn. But I 226 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:19,679 am completely inept. I need assistance. Basically, when changing a 227 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:22,279 light bulb is like the extent of my independence when 228 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:25,279 it comes to being handy. Luckily, my wife is super handy, 229 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:27,320 and we'll build all the furniture and stuff. There's nothing 230 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,879 to do with Larry marketing, but I enjoyed this little 231 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:32,399 aside from Zach and Tim, but any kind. 232 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: But your house isn't on the market. No, if somebody 233 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:37,919 knocks on your door and makes you a ridiculous deal 234 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,879 for a whole lot more than you bought the house for, 235 00:10:42,039 --> 00:10:44,360 would you potentially sell it? Sure? 236 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I just got to buy another one or move somewhere. 237 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,919 Speaker 1: That's this is actually about Larry marketing. Don't worry everybody. 238 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,399 That's a really good analogy and it probably stands. I mean, 239 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:57,759 look at what Utah did with Donovan Mitchell Rigobert. Feels 240 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:00,279 like they kind of followed the same approach and rego 241 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Beart specifically where it was Minnesota bowls them over with 242 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:05,679 an offer, and that's what they and that's why they 243 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:07,559 end up moving him, and that's the impetus for them 244 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:09,879 tearing it down, and then it reset the market for 245 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,039 Donovin Mitchell made it easier to move him or at 246 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,879 least command this king's ransom for him. And I'm sure 247 00:11:15,879 --> 00:11:18,320 what was the same with Michel Bridges. Is I don't 248 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,919 know how married the nets were to let's pair him 249 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,399 with another star. But if you knew that Nick's offer 250 00:11:23,799 --> 00:11:25,960 was on the table, and then it's okay. That makes 251 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,080 the idea of tearing it down more palatable if we 252 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,320 can get back some of our own picks, which then 253 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,960 you eventually negotiate with Houston to do. And that does 254 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,559 it feels like that situation all over again with Utah Again, 255 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,279 maybe Danny Ainge saw what mckel bridges got. He was 256 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:43,320 in on mcal Bridges. Maybe he inflated the asking price 257 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,799 for the Knicks and then was gonna use that as 258 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,200 the baseline for Larry marketIn, who has no years left 259 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,039 on his deal. Makes it a little tougher, But that 260 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,840 seems like this is the Jazz being opportunistic. But there 261 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,600 is a more wholesale question that we will get to 262 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,960 in more detail in a second is do the Jazz 263 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,000 actually need to try t Lowry given the direction that 264 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:02,960 they're headed. 265 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,279 Speaker 2: Were re orient in my life, which is a huge 266 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,320 giant pagin in the ass. 267 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: My point is Lowry Markin is not on the market. 268 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:11,440 That doesn't mean that he won't get moved, but there's 269 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,639 not been anything in all the conversations the Jazz have had, 270 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,399 and obviously you know the Warriors have been out there 271 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,799 a lot of reporting on that. The Spurs or preliminary 272 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:23,200 talks the Kings. 273 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,399 Speaker 1: I would just like to say, and I would still 274 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:27,559 kind of like Lowry and the Kings, but I don't 275 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,480 know what that does defensively to you. And don't please 276 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,600 Kings fans. Don't get in my mentions talking about the 277 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,399 Marta Rosens defensive rating in Chicago last year. That is 278 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,840 not a team stat. He got to play a bunch 279 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,720 with Alex Caruso, Iobisu and MoU Patrick Williams. I think 280 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,639 the Marta Rosen is an upgrade from Harrison Barnes. But 281 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:46,000 the amount of Kings fans that thought Grant and I 282 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,120 were saying the world was over their defense was going 283 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:50,639 to suck because of the departure of Harrison Barnes. We're 284 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,960 concerned about the defense. We also called in that same 285 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,759 discussion Keegan Murray one of the most underrated defenders in 286 00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:59,759 the NBA, and we acknowledged Kean Ellis's value, and we've 287 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,519 dearon Fox's improvement on that side of flour. But regardless, 288 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,960 I think san Antonio is actually by far my favorite 289 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,320 fit for Lowry market, and him with CP three and 290 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,200 Wemby and Devin Vessel is just a fucking cheat code. 291 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 And look the Spurs. They got picks, and they got 292 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,759 some nice distant picks or semi distant picks. They got 293 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:18,600 the Hawks in twenty five and twenty seven, plus that 294 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,679 swap in twenty six, and they also have Minnesota's two 295 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,679 thousand and thirty one first round pick, and they also 296 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,279 have that Kings two thousand and thirty swap floating around 297 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,799 in there. They also have another don't they have like 298 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,279 a duel or is it Minnesota's two thousand and thirty 299 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,600 first round pick? I can't remember on that one. But 300 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:39,320 they have these like assets for days. So yeah, they 301 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,559 have Minnesota's twenty thirty one first and then they get 302 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,000 to swap with Sacramento in twenty thirty one. They have 303 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,039 swap rights with Dallas or Minnesota in twenty thirty. Plus 304 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,480 let's not forget they have swap rights on Boston twenty 305 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,639 twenty eight first rounder. The Spurs have the juice to 306 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,200 get it done, and I would love to see them 307 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,480 get it done. Not gonna lie. 308 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: Before they went through the rows and direction. A lot 309 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,720 of teams have called and checked in. There has been 310 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,639 nothing even remotely tempting from the Jazz perspective to this point. 311 00:14:06,759 --> 00:14:10,000 Siation and extension getting the massive raise to whear Be 312 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,720 forty plus mil this year into an extension moving forward 313 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,639 and it'll be signed. After all, his seventh basically given 314 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,399 him a one year no trade clause. 315 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,519 Speaker 1: Now, for people wondering might be wondering why the Jazz 316 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:26,279 just when say well, we're not going to renegotiate and 317 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,600 extend you if you go that route, it would be 318 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,559 because they knuke his trade value effectively because they keep 319 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:34,519 him on that expiring contract and they're in a situation 320 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:38,039 where teams either say, well, now you need to move 321 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,039 him because it clearly isn't an amicable decision. And so 322 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,360 he's going to get to unrestricted free agency and yeah, 323 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:46,200 you have the Carrod of the fifth year, can offer 324 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,720 bigger raises, but he'll just leave and there will be 325 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,600 a team that off from a ton of money, and 326 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,679 so that cost the Jazz a ton of leverage. It 327 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,559 would be different if he was going into restricted free 328 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,440 agency or something, and they would have the easy matching rights, 329 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,399 like absolute control over him. But if you're gonna say no, 330 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,559 we kept this cap space, We're not going to renegotiate 331 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:05,240 and extend you out of spite because you wouldn't sign 332 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:06,679 it on the one day that would leave you trade 333 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:09,240 eligible in the season that ends poorly. And so Larry 334 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,960 Marketing does have the leverage. I want to make that clear. 335 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:13,639 I don't know if it ends up being the full 336 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:15,639 boat where we're looking at. Oh gets the max salary 337 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:18,159 next year plus a max four years out on that, 338 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:21,240 but he does have the leverage to go this route, 339 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:23,360 and honestly, if he likes it in Utah just doesn't 340 00:15:23,399 --> 00:15:26,039 want to be it'd be different if they could tell well, 341 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,320 you're gonna go here in February, like we know we're 342 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,519 going to trade you the Warriors. But you can't. That's 343 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:32,559 not a thing. That's not something that works. And so 344 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:35,440 if I were him, I would approach it the same way. 345 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:40,639 Speaker 2: My best intel talking to people and you just never know, right, 346 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:42,840 but like all you can do is hear everything and 347 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,559 do your best. Is it is that there will not 348 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,200 be a trade this season, that he'll be on the 349 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:48,840 Jazz this season. I don't know if that's true. 350 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: I like it when Hardwood Knox is in lockstep with 351 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:54,200 two smart people who also have a bunch of inside information. 352 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage wise that is, but if 353 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,600 you ask me what I think is going to happen 354 00:15:57,639 --> 00:16:00,559 with Lowry markinin whether he signs it to Sick the seventh, 355 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:02,879 the eighth to fifteenth, I think he. I think the 356 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:06,519 most likely scenario is he's on the Jazz. And yet 357 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:11,159 I keep coming back to why, why does that nagget me? 358 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,559 Is not a standalone thing that on its own makes 359 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,720 a ton of sense. 360 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Because it doesn't make a ton of sense from the 361 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:27,120 perspective of the Jazz. To me, are clearly going through 362 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,960 some level of, if not an existential crisis and existential 363 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:34,399 enlightenment of just realizing, Okay, we're probably not going to 364 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,399 accelerate the rebuild enough to get to a point where 365 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,840 it makes sense to keep Lowry long term. You're capped 366 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,120 on what you could do with him as the best 367 00:16:43,159 --> 00:16:45,360 player on your team. And we don't believe Walker Kessler 368 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,559 is already being shopped. And we have Kante George, we 369 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:50,399 have Taylor Hendrix, we have Cody Williams, we have some 370 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,279 other young guys. We've got Jordan Clarkson, We've got Consects, 371 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,559 and we've got John Collins. You kind of just trapped 372 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,799 between a bunch of different timelines and are destined with 373 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,279 Lowry market and playing a bunch of minutes to maybe 374 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:05,759 be better than expected, hover at or near five hundred, 375 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:07,240 and then kind of have to pull back in the 376 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,559 middle of the season when you've already lost valuable tanking 377 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:16,200 or rebuilding time. And so it's that weird just gray. 378 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:18,559 It's not even a gray area. It's just this ambiguous 379 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,920 area that they've now been floating in. I don't want 380 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,599 to say aimlessly, because they do have a lot of 381 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:25,519 assets when you look at picks. I like some of 382 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:28,839 their young players, but it is a weird spot that 383 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,079 they have. I don't know that they put themselves in it, 384 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,480 but it's certainly it's certainly something that they need to 385 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:39,759 consider moving forward. And like, I don't think that having 386 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:41,839 Larry market in on this team is going to allow 387 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:43,839 you to rebuild to the fullest extent, just because he 388 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,960 will invariably add wins to your ledger. Even if you 389 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,599 stripped I guess you could strip it down to the 390 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:50,920 studs around him, But do you just have takers for 391 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,119 Colin Sexton and Jordan Clarkson. And that's that's the awkward 392 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,160 spot that they're in. And the reason is as need 393 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:58,519 to tank. 394 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's two reasons. Number one, they just they need 395 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,480 to do something, and they can't do the same thing 396 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:06,279 that they've been doing the last two years. Or they're 397 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:08,759 five hundred and scrappy and feisty and Will Hardy's coaching 398 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:10,519 his ass off and oh my god, blah blah blah, 399 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:11,960 and then the front office pulls the rug. 400 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,559 Speaker 1: I forgot Zachlo said all this, So I apologize for 401 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,000 stepping on the toes of everything he said, sentiments we've 402 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,039 conveyed somewhat on this podcast already though, So whatever. 403 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: Out for him under a halfway through and you end 404 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:24,200 up picking ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever they've ended up picking. 405 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:28,720 That's what's gonna happen if they just bring back Lowry 406 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:30,880 market in and do nothing else. 407 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: Right, And the problem there is, even if you say 408 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,920 that you're going to shut him down or just use 409 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:41,920 him like in a moderate capacity, if you've already paid him, 410 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,359 I guess that might fly with him, but this is 411 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,359 still going to be a you know a star with 412 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,279 an ego and that wants to play, and if you 413 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,759 are planning on trading him, you're doing nothing for his 414 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:53,000 trade value though, whether you've paid him or not, and 415 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:54,960 by playing him less or shutting him down at the 416 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:57,720 end of the season maybe potentially deflating his numbers or 417 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:00,279 teams might game it. As oh Liary market was on. 418 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:02,720 This team had another really good efficient scoring season and 419 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:05,559 the Jazz won twenty one games or something by design, 420 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,880 But what does that say about his impact on winning? 421 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,000 That wouldn't be a fair stance. But you do risk 422 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:13,640 compromising Lowry Marketing's trade value if you keep him and 423 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,079 wean fully in to the rebuild. 424 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:18,519 Speaker 2: I just don't think that they want to do that. 425 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:21,240 I don't care what the posturing is publicly. I don't 426 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:24,079 care what you're saying I think is true of like 427 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,480 you've got to blow us away with this McHale Bridges 428 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:29,960 level offer to get Lowie market In. I just I 429 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,119 know Danny Ainge, I know how he operates. I think 430 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,640 he wants to be in this draft and or the 431 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,200 next draft at a high level. And I just don't 432 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,720 think they can do that with just Lowry Marketing and 433 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:44,839 I also don't think they can compete realistically for anything 434 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,799 better than like maybe a low end playoff spot if 435 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:49,640 they just bring back lowry market in. 436 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like even that's ambitious, because if you 437 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,519 look at the landscape of the Western Conference right now, 438 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,559 it's I mean, what is the team that's not planning 439 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:05,200 on making some type of a push for a play 440 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,599 in spot. It is as of right now, it's Portland, 441 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:11,799 And I guess you might throw Utah in that, and 442 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:13,960 there might be a level of, oh, Houston's not too 443 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,400 committed to doing it because they have a bunch of 444 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,119 youngsters they're still evaluating and they're trying to figure that out. 445 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,880 But when you look at the West, the only team 446 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,799 that is already taking itself out of the play in 447 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:29,640 discussion is Portland and perhaps Utah. And so you have 448 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,160 to sit there as the Jazz and ask yourself, well, 449 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,079 how many teams with our marketing are we guaranteed to 450 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,079 be better? Then the answer is one. And I think 451 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,240 they actually go on to answer that later in this clip. 452 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:43,319 We will skip over that part, but like, it's one, 453 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:46,359 And if you really wanted to like push it, you 454 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,359 could just say maybe too and bet on. Okay, the 455 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,720 uncertainty with the Clippers, the uncertainty with New Orleans is 456 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,920 center rotation. Again, I'm reaching here in a bunch of 457 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,319 spots and like, maybe we'll be better than San Antonio, 458 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,119 who might not be super interested in winning either. So 459 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,279 like you could certainly consider that, but at maximum I 460 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,720 would say, to guarantee, you could say, yeah, they'll be 461 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:13,519 They'll finish thirteenth in the West. At at I would say, 462 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:15,519 I don't want to say that's their ceiling, but that's 463 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:18,160 the only thing that you could be prepared to guarantee. 464 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,400 And look you go by last year, if you have 465 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,599 the third worst record in the Western Conference, that amounts 466 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:28,920 to the seventh best lottery odds if it follows that 467 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:32,480 type of you know pattern. But you're adding weird things 468 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,160 into the fold because look at what the worst teams 469 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,799 in the Eastward. Look at who the worst teams in 470 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:40,559 the Eastward Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, and Toronto before you get 471 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:42,160 to Memphis was the third worst team in the West 472 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,720 because of injuries last year. You have to add Chicago 473 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,119 and Brooklyn to that mix. And the only team I 474 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,720 might take out that could be interested in winning, I 475 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,839 think it would be Toronto Charlotte. I really do think 476 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,759 could be better than expected if they're healthy, but I 477 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,200 do think they'll trade or you know, shut down play 478 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,400 to get their way out of that. And so if 479 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,640 you're the Jazz, it's important to be organically bad as 480 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,759 possible right out of the gate, because if you want 481 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:10,880 to be in the running for if you want to 482 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,240 be in the pooper for Cooper, it's not going to 483 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,839 be something that you can just do playing your veterans 484 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:17,799 for half the year and then pulling back. Yeah, you 485 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:19,559 could get lucky in the lottery, but if you're trying 486 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:22,079 to maximize your odds, that's not going to be the 487 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,039 way to do it, not even close. 488 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: Which is why I think it's interesting that they were 489 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,319 reportedly in on McHale Bridges before mkal Bridges got traded 490 00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:32,640 to the Knicks. And I've been told in the last 491 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,000 couple of days that like they were even more aggressively 492 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,519 in for McHale Bridges. And this is just according to 493 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,440 a couple sources who knows, but that that was maybe reported, 494 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,599 which makes me wonder just kind of what's going on here, because. 495 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: Just and that's interesting because there was the initial reporting 496 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:51,200 and this is like Lowe is one of the first 497 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,079 people I've heard say I think the first person I've 498 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:54,480 heard say this. A lot of people thought it was 499 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:57,160 just performative, they're interested in mckal bridges. It was oh, 500 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,480 if the nets are going to move them and we 501 00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:00,160 could give up a few picks for it, or where 502 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,079 a lot of people thought they're driving up the price 503 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,039 mchel bridges. So that then that resets the market for 504 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,759 Larry market And even though if you're trading him as 505 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:09,640 an expiring contract, he's just not going to have as 506 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,319 much value as mckel bridges. Here's the thing. You can 507 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,640 make the case that Larry marketing is more valuable in 508 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,480 a vacuum than mckel bridges on offense. I think that's 509 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:21,400 certainly the case right now. But when you look at 510 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,759 not only him needing a new deal, but the fact 511 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:27,000 that he is not going to take a discount insid 512 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,200 deal with Bridges, part of the stuff that was caked 513 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,519 in for the Knixes, Jallen Brunson might just sign this 514 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:33,559 extension to play with his friends, which he did, and 515 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:35,799 maybe mckel bridges he can sign one hundred and five 516 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:38,000 percent extension, or we can extend him for one hundred 517 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,680 and forty percent off next year's number once this season 518 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,839 is over. Those are both numbers on top of the 519 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,119 Jaylen Brnson number that would be considered below what he 520 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,920 would get on the open market. You're not going to 521 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,920 get that by all appearances with Lowry. I want to 522 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,640 make it clear, nor should you. If you're marketing, get 523 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,359 your money like this is your chance to cash in 524 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,200 on You've been on this below market deal. Now you 525 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:01,079 graduated into borderline all stardom. And that's part of the 526 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,519 calculus here, which is why you're still should get a 527 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,160 boat load for marketing. But if you are holding out 528 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,720 hope for the mchal Bridges level offer, you're more likely 529 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,759 to get it if you extend, renegotiate and extend him 530 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,880 and then you're reevaluating next summer. But that only again, 531 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,559 it complicates your your position in the Western Conference relative 532 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,480 to what we want to rebuild, and we want to 533 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:22,920 have super high lottery odds. 534 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: Bringing back Lowry marketing and not doing anything else. It 535 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,680 doesn't seem to make It doesn't pass the smell test 536 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,200 to me. And I don't know what the other alternative 537 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,799 is though. 538 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,599 Speaker 1: And that's I think that's kind of like where we 539 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,319 can leave the clip even because this is the this 540 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,319 is the question, this is just the the whole point 541 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,279 of this exercise. Do the Jazz need to trade lowry 542 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,720 market in and if you're going to maximize your lottery odds? 543 00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,119 The answer is yes. And that's a compliment to Larry 544 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,359 market In. It's it's a compliment to Will Hardy, it's 545 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,359 a compliment to a lot of the supporting cast members 546 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,079 on Utah. You could, yeah, you could strip it down elsewhere. 547 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720 But what's the market for Sexton and Clarkson Collins? I 548 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,240 want to there's probably not a super robust market for 549 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:04,039 Collins if at all, like you're not gonna get I 550 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,079 would think any positive value you probably get a little 551 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,759 something for Jordan Clarkson. His deal is relatively reasonable and 552 00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,480 teams can count on him as some secondary facilitator and 553 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,200 someone who's comfortable generating his own shot. And Sexton, I 554 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,440 think you'd probably get the equivalent of two first round 555 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,680 picks four, that would be my guess. But the market's 556 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,680 now kind of dried up. That's also a weird situation 557 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:24,319 that you're in is you're looking at teams that are 558 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:26,359 mostly set there might still be teams that are willing 559 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,200 to trade for these guys. Don't get me wrong, but 560 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,400 there's probably a lot of teams. Let's use the Magic 561 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,000 as an example. Who could be a team for Jordan 562 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,759 Clarkson or Sexton? More likely Sexton. They're probably like, what 563 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,000 we've gone about our business? We got KCP. Let's see 564 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,319 if we can level up on offense, you know, internally 565 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,680 before we go down that path. And that's you know, 566 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,680 so by waiting this long, you've damaged the trade options 567 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,279 for other players on your roster. And so here's where 568 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:54,519 I'm at. Do you need to trade Larry Marketing right now? 569 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,000 I almost feel like the answer is yes, if you 570 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,119 want to maximize your rebuild. And if you're not going 571 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,279 to trade him, I do you wonder do you seriously 572 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,000 look at I don't know who else is available, but 573 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,000 making kind of a small consolidation trade or a medium 574 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:08,960 size to say, hey, well then we're just gonna double 575 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,079 down around Lowry Marketing. That's a less palatable path to me. 576 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,960 If I had like the outcomes here would be okay, well, 577 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,200 then let's strip down everything else and that's what we're 578 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,079 gonna do. Or Lowry market is gonna play twenty five 579 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,039 minutes a game or just thirty minutes a game. We're 580 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,480 cutting him off after that, and the game will be 581 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:26,160 lost in other minutes because we'll keep Colin Sexon and 582 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,920 Jordan Clarkson more easily in check, and we're gonna give 583 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,759 a ton of minutes to all the youngsters. You're gonna 584 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:32,799 see a lot of Taylor Hendrix, You're gonna see a 585 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,960 lot of Cody Williams, Bryce Sensaba, You're gonna see a 586 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,680 lot of Kiante George just running the point here. Again, 587 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960 the Jazz with Lowry could still be pretty bad relative 588 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,319 to the rest of the West, but you're in a 589 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,799 position where you need to out tank a lot of 590 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,200 the other teams in the East, and you're not going 591 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,519 to do that by holding on to him midseason. And 592 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,119 if I'm the Jazz, I'm not trading him for the 593 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,039 sake of trading him. That's what makes this situation so tough. 594 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,559 It's almost like they should have moved him. Last summer 595 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,160 would have been the optimal time. What he had the 596 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,480 multiple years left on his deal, they probably could have 597 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:05,279 commanded close to McHale Bridges type Paul if not the 598 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,599 you know, Ditto like that exact type Paul, and maybe 599 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:10,640 they still get it. I mean, if you're gonna get 600 00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:12,640 it's the I don't want to call it settling. But 601 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,160 if the Warriors are gonna give you two or three 602 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,319 first and then Pods and Moody, or if it's two 603 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,599 first Pods and Moody and swaps, that's something I'm considering 604 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,119 subout COMINGO for Pods if you really like Cominga better, 605 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,240 and you could look at it that way, But like, 606 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,119 I don't know that you're gonna get. Let's say the 607 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,039 Warriors can go up to three first round picks, and 608 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:31,720 the way they get to three is they trade the 609 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,519 unprotected part of that pick that's going to Washington. Three first, 610 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:40,319 two swaps, whatever swaps they have, plus Moody plus Pod. 611 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,400 I'm not doing that if I'm Golden State, especially if 612 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,039 it's Pods and Cominga. But I'm not doing I'm not 613 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,240 close enough to title contention to do Pods, Moody, three 614 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,160 first and multiple swaps. It's just Larry Market is not 615 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,839 putting me over the top. That's not an insult to 616 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,680 Larry Market, and it's not even an insult. It's just 617 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,119 the reality of the Warrior situation. Now if the Spurs, 618 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,799 but if you're getting Pods two firsts and and Moody 619 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,960 or Pods a first, multiple swaps and Moody, like, that's 620 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,640 probably the bare minimum for me as Danny Ainge, maybe 621 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,920 I'm too high on pods. If the Spurs are putting. 622 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,400 I know there's reports that the Jazz don't want Kelden Johnson. 623 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,839 If you want to you know, do matching salary, there's 624 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,359 way like Keldon Johnson's on a pretty good deal and 625 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,559 fills a position of need at the three, especially with 626 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,519 Larry marketing outgoing. It's sort of that combo forward. So no, 627 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,240 he's not even close to the same type of player 628 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,640 slatry market and I want to make that absolutely positively clear, 629 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,680 but I didn't. I found that weird. It's you take 630 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,880 Kelden Johnson. If the Spurs are saying, well, we'll give 631 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,240 you Kelden Johnson instead of two other first, it's a 632 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200 different discussion. But between Keldon Johnson and if they're gonna 633 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,599 give you like I don't know, like, let's say three 634 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:47,319 if you can get I'll frame it this way, if 635 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:49,799 you can get the equivalent of three first, and then 636 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,640 either multiple swaps or Jeremy Sohan like that feels like 637 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,440 a fair price for Larry Marketing. And you could sit 638 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,160 here and say, well, no, then we don't want to 639 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,440 trade him. That's fine. But if you're utah, what are 640 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,519 you doing? Why are you not more aggressive in making 641 00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,240 upgrades to be immediately good? And if the plan is 642 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,599 to still be bad with Larry Marketing, I think you're 643 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,279 here's what you're gonna do. You're inevitably gonna half asset 644 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000 and not be bad enough, or you're bad enough, and 645 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,680 Larry Marketing's trade value after paying him is tanked in 646 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920 the process, And so that's the predicament the Jazz are in. 647 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,599 And I want to make it clear, I'm not advocating 648 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,079 for them to trade Larry Marketing just for the sake 649 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,519 of trading them. If the baseline minimums of let's say 650 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,039 three first and Jeremy Sohan or multiple swaps isn't out there, 651 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,160 I get it, Like I'm probably I would probably even 652 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,599 trade him for less than that, But I'm trying to 653 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,960 be sympathetic to what like the way that the Jazz 654 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,039 are looking at this. If you're even close to meeting 655 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:43,480 multiple first round picks, multiple first, good first round picks, 656 00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,440 some swaps, and multiple like if you're checking, like if 657 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,039 we're talking two prospects, three first round picks, and two swaps, 658 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,160 so you're looking at a total of seven things that 659 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,880 you're prioritizing, and maybe even up into eight. If you're 660 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,480 checking like four, five, six of those boxes, it's worth considering. 661 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:04,960 It depends on the prospect, It depends on the picks, 662 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,839 the protections, how far they go out, who they're coming from. Like, 663 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,759 that's when you really need to start thinking. And if 664 00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,319 you're if you're not gonna do it, there's and he's not, 665 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,799 Like the the ideal outcome for them, I would argue 666 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,559 is he signs it on August sixth. It doesn't seem 667 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,519 like he's gonna do that. So maybe that's what the 668 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,440 Jazz are kind of holding out hope for, is that 669 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,640 he will go that route, and then if he doesn't, 670 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,799 well then they're just not gonna renegotiate and extent him. 671 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,200 They'll move him anyway because these other offers will still 672 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,240 be there. That is almost like the is that the 673 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,160 smartest or wisest outcome here would be Okay, we're gonna 674 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,920 see if we can call his bluff and he'll sign 675 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,759 it on August sixth, or maybe for all we know, 676 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:42,519 he's already agreed to sign it August sixth, sixth, and 677 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,680 they're gonna re you know, say, okay, we'll know what 678 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,680 the offers are at the trade deadline, or if he 679 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,440 doesn't sign it, all right, we waited, we tried, and 680 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,640 we're gonna trade him now and anyway like that, the 681 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,839 best offers from Golden State or San Antonio, we're gonna 682 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,200 take that, and that that's what's gonna happen. I guess 683 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,720 the other way to look at it, though, is even 684 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:04,039 if he eligible to be traded this season after renegotiating, 685 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,559 extending those moves, like you're are the Spurs gonna be 686 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,799 as hot for lowry marketing in February as they are 687 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,400 in August? And diddle for the Warriors because those are 688 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,000 two teams that could be worse than expected. We're all 689 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,240 high on the Spurs, we all know what Steph can 690 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,519 still do, but like, those are two teams that aren't 691 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:24,039 guaranteed spots in the play in race right now. And 692 00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,920 so if you're the Warriors, why are you mortgaging more 693 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000 of your future just to not and it's even harder 694 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,400 for them to do it than the Spurs, because the 695 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,519 Spurs can look at it as a future investment next 696 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,359 to Wemby and Devin Vessel. The Warriors can't do that 697 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,119 because any marketing trade is gonna cost them at least 698 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:41,839 two of Pods, Moody and Kamena. I would say cost 699 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,480 of these Pods and Moody and then Picks and stuff. 700 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,599 So that's like one of Pods and Kaminga or Moody 701 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,359 I was saying, And by all reporting, it seems like 702 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,880 it's Pods, which makes sense for the Jazz, even though 703 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,680 they might have be a little guard heavy right now. 704 00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,119 I think Pods is more likely to pan out like 705 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,359 his medium outcome, where his cominga seems not boom or 706 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,519 bust but incredibly good. Might hit like on a star 707 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,880 end outcome. But you're about to pay him, so that 708 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,839 gets a little wonky. So and again, how does he 709 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,200 fit next to Do you like Taylor Hendrix? Do you 710 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,480 like Cody Williams? Do you still like Walker Kessler? What 711 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,000 is the dynamic there? I would just if I'm Utah 712 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,400 prioritizing Pods because of the cost control, and I think 713 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,920 he's going to be more offensively versatile to where it's 714 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,640 all right, maybe this is someone who look he shot 715 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,640 like forty three percent on step back three, so maybe 716 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,559 he can generate his own looks. But if not, he'll 717 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,680 be good connective tissue, some secondary playmaking. That's why I 718 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,279 prioritize him. This is way off track there, though, but 719 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,359 that's that's what I'm doing. If I'm Utah's is kind 720 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,119 of or how I'm looking at it is, are these 721 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,440 teams going to be as hot for him in February? 722 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 3: Now? 723 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,279 Speaker 1: I guess what you could say is, well, other teams. 724 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:44,759 There'll be teams that are better than expected that will 725 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:46,640 be hot for him, and I'd like, I can't even 726 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,160 name one, but like, let's just like, what if the 727 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,839 Grizzlies are just gang busters. We all know that they 728 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:52,960 can potentially be gang busters, and they're willing to put 729 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,240 a crap ton of first round picks future first round 730 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,000 picks on the table. Okay, yeah, maybe, but like what, 731 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,839 like there are so few of those teams to where 732 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:02,960 it's you know, would Houston be in on Larry marketing? 733 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,079 Doesn't make a ton of sense for them if they're 734 00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,920 better than expected? Maybe Toronto, but you're not looking at 735 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,319 any blue chip prospects here unless you because they're not 736 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,279 giving up Scottie Barnes probably not giving up a manual quickly. 737 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,240 Would you even want him on his new deal? But 738 00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,119 like Jacoby Walter, Grady Dick future first like that's not 739 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,559 you know, that's not really a ton And so yeah, 740 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,440 there might be other teams that sneak in there with 741 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,720 assets that are wanting to give up a bunch. Is 742 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:30,079 it Indiana with Jars Walker and Bennet mcmathrin and future 743 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,839 first round picks and maybe Ben Sheppard some combination of those, 744 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,480 and it's all right, defense be damned, I guess. I mean, 745 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,799 Halle Siakam and marketing would be a heck of an 746 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,240 offense if Andrew Nemhart is with Andrew Nemhart still there, 747 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,400 Like yeah, you could get to a point where there 748 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,160 might just be surprise suitors who are wanting to give 749 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,960 up a bunch. But more likely, I mean, when you're 750 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,039 looking at the landscape, a lot of the teams that 751 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,720 are already going to be good strapped on assets. And 752 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,200 so yeah, okay, maybe Miami is going to get in 753 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,000 the fold. But unless you just view HIMAI Hawks as 754 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,440 worth a lot more than what Golden State is offering 755 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,680 right now, because Miami is gonna give you even fewer 756 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,079 first round picks at their max. Again, maybe Golden State's 757 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,000 only offering one first round pick or something. Who knows, 758 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,320 so that you're gonna be strapped to get future assets 759 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,519 out of them a little bit more. Okay, sees of 760 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,239 course floating around not the team we mentioned. They don't 761 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,239 seem like a squad like just historically that they're gonna 762 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,880 mega shake up middle of the season and they just 763 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,400 got Isaiah Hartenstein to add to their front court with 764 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,519 chet market is a better fit. You can also play 765 00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:29,880 him at the he's a he's an easier fit. Like 766 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,239 Hartenstein's an easy fit too. You can't play him at 767 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,480 the three. That seems like a classic. Well, we want 768 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,400 more information of what this looks like in the playoffs 769 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,519 before we go after Lowry. Maybe not. Maybe there's a 770 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,320 level of urgency there just because they were the number 771 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,960 one seed in the West and they're able to come 772 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,719 out of the West right now. So and unless you're 773 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,679 like hi on, okay, maybe we'll get the more of 774 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,440 the Lakers picks twenty nine thirty one swaps Dalton Connect 775 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,519 and do we like Rui Hachimora, do we like Austin Reeves? 776 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,559 Sure there might be alternatives teams that would be willing 777 00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,360 to give you, you know, are they are you kind 778 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,360 of looking at this from the Philly perspective of, oh, 779 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,199 they'll step ladder their way to Lowry Marketen's eighteen million, 780 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,679 and like you would know because with Philly even okay, 781 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:10,400 they have up the five first round picks they could 782 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,639 give you, and there's gonna be no prospects in there. No, 783 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,280 I should say, no super high end prospects they could 784 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,920 give you if they if you want, excuse me, in 785 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,480 addition to the first round picks they can give you 786 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,960 Jared McCain, Sure they can go that out. But here's 787 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,960 what gets interesting. Philly's taken out of the equation if 788 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,199 you reegotiate and extend him because they're not going to 789 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,719 have the salary matching to get to a forty plus 790 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,440 million dollar number they can get to the A team 791 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,239 they can step ladder their way there for sure. So 792 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:39,519 if that's what they're gaming it, I think the big 793 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:43,760 clue would be if he doesn't sign a renegotiating extent 794 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,239 and they keep him in the next season. It's oh, 795 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,119 they got something lined up when the trade restrictions lift. 796 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,840 I'd view that as the least likely scenario. It feels 797 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,320 like I agree with Tim McMahon and Zach Low that 798 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,639 they will end up he will end up signing the 799 00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:00,280 renegotiation exten after August sixth. If he signs it on that, 800 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,400 it still gets super interesting. But I still think you're 801 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,360 leaving a lot to chance. If you're going to move 802 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,039 Larry market In, it either to me, I'll frame it 803 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,239 this way. It needs to be now, or it needs 804 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,840 to be next summer, like that would be when you're 805 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,760 going to maximize your value. What do you think? Where 806 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,079 do you think Larry Marketing starts next season? Where you 807 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,079 think he finishes next season? Do you think he'll side 808 00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:21,000 the renegotiation and extend I want to see Jazz fans, 809 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,320 all NBA fans with trades in the comments. So much 810 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,119 for just a mini clip. This thing ends up being 811 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:28,079 over thirty minutes. Please remember to subscribe if you have 812 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,039 not already. Tell your friends, enemies, acquaintances, random people on 813 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,480 the street about us. 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