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to hear about Larry marketing. I thought Zach Low and
Tim McMahon ESPN had a very interesting discussion on the
Low Post this past week, So I'm gonna it's on
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and talk about lowry marketing and the Utah Jazz, the future,
the whole nine. Okay, here we go. This entire clip
of theirs is like nine minutes long. I don't know
if I'll watch the whole thing. We want to get
the gist of it, and I don't want to keep
you here for an absolute hour, although maybe I will.
We never know what happens around these parts. So let's
let's get to some Zach low and Tim McMahon talk.
Speaker 2: What like, what do we think is actually going to
happen here?
Speaker 1: And so I'm just gonna stop it right there, as
I always do at the beginning, zachlow and Tim McMahon.
I think it called a friend of the podcast, Tim
micc mamahn because he either follows Hardwood Knocks or me.
I can't remember. I should look at that. Don't know
why he would have followed either, but that's really cool.
If there were two people that I could get like
a drink with in the industry as insiders, they would
be or a bunch of people, they would certainly be
on the list. And in a way they kind of
remind me of me and Grant. Although zach Lowe is
way smarter than I am. He brings that forrenetic over exuberant.
Did I just pop Molly and decide to record a
podcast and talk about the NBA energy like He's always
just so into it and he can talk a mile
a minute just like I do. And then Tim McMahon
is we all know that Grant has the same level
of inside information, of course, but laid back, very funny,
can say some clever lines at points, but it's someone
that when I think, you listen to and it's just
a nice balance to that for neetic energy. And so
this is basically me reacting to Grant and myself and
Grant's on vacation. So that's pretty apropos right now as
I miss him so much that I need that dynamic.
But that's just a nice little comp But I would
say these are two guys I enjoy listening to, and
I know a lot of people don't like listening to
national voices. These are two of the ones that I
admire their insight, I admire the inside information they get,
but they also just seem like people I'd want to
go out and have them. I don't drink, so go
out and pop an edible with or have a meal with.
So just in case you need to needed to hear
that Utah Jazz fans and or slash general basketball fans.
Speaker 3: When yeah, So, my best educated guess is that Lowry
Marketen will not be traded this summer, that he will
sign the extension after August sixth.
Speaker 1: We have talked about this exact scenario on the POD.
I think Grant might have even predicted it when we
were doing our one big question for each team. And
so for anyone who doesn't know already, lowry marketing can
be renegotiated and extended, and the way it would essentially work,
the numbers could be different. But the Jazz have the
caps to give him his max salary for next season,
and that would cost about twenty four million other cap space.
His max salary is a little over forty two. He's
already making a little over eighteen, so about twenty four
million bucks. They then have the option of extending him
off that number, so he could get the boat of
I believe it's four years and two hundred and seven
point eight million dollars. Whatever the number is, it's over
two hundred million. So you would then lock him down.
You would still have him for next season plus four
additional seasons, and that is the max. He could then
end up guaranteeing himself like five years total, and let's
say like two hundred and forty seven forty eight million,
and if you include the initial eighteen he's making, it's
like an additional two hundred and thirty million dollars over
that five year span. So that is an option he
could explore. We talked about him not agreeing to hit
the renegotiate and extend button on August sixth, because that's
the last that's the day he's eligible and the last
day that he can sign it and also be traded
in season at the deadline. That that one that one day,
and I understand it from his perspective. Tim McMahon gets
into it a little bit here, though, so let's let
him talk about it before I go into any more detail.
He is not going.
Speaker 3: To sign an extension on August sixth and live with
being in constant trade rumors up until February sixth. He
is not going to put himself in a position where
he's going to have to deal with that, you know,
as a married father with a young family that is
happy in Utah. Like Lowry's made it clear, he likes
being in Utah. You know, he wants to be part
of the future there the Jazz front office.
Speaker 1: And that is what we had talked about. Not being
married and having kids, not way up root yourself, but
the whole issue of not wanting to relocate mid season
if you have the leverage to dictate when you sign
the extension. You could sign it the day after ensure
that I'm just going to be here all year. We
could figure this thing out next summer or later down
the road. And it also, of course matters if he
really likes living in Utah, likes being a focal point
of their offense. This could be on some level, maybe
it is posturing and not in the sense that he
doesn't want to play for the jazz or the organization
or be in the city, but maybe he doesn't want
to be part of a longer term, gradual rebuild. And
if he's thinking, oh, they'll either accelerate their timeline, or
he's just posturing to hey, I want to get this
massive raise immediately rather than wait until next summer.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously you always take things with a grain
of salt, but the Jazz front office will hardy. They've
made it clear they love having lowry marketing, like you know,
kind of the messaging you hear out of Utah's, Hey,
Larry Markin's not on the trade block, like we'll take calls,
will listen like I do.
Speaker 1: Think that's an important element of all this where I
probably would, if I had to guess, think that Tim
McMahon is overstating the degree to which lowry marketing is
not available. But this isn't like the Jazz calling around
the league howking lowry marketing and getting ready to take
what would be the best offer. It wasn't like that
with the Nets mchel Bridges. It was they probably lined
up that trade with Houston and then they would have
maybe they would have called around and see what they
could have gotten from chel Bridges. But there was probably
a bunch of standing offers, top shelf offers. And so
while we've only seen kind of the Warriors and the
Spurs mentioned most publicly when it comes to marketing, there
are other offers that I'm sure are on the table
and you talk and circle back to them, or teams
will circle back to them, or maybe they call them
to see if they're up their offer. But I don't
view this right now as the Jazz trying to auction
Larry marketing off where they view it as, hey, we
have to move them, because if we felt that way,
they just never would renegotiate and extended so that they
keep the flexibility of moving him.
Speaker 3: Got to do your due diligence. But he's not quote
unquote being shopped he's not going to It's not like, hey,
whoever makes the best bid for Larry Marketing gets him.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: You mentioned like the Warriors, Lowry Marketing at the right
price for the Warriors would be unbelievable. The right price
for the Warriors ain't getting Larry Marketed.
Speaker 1: And that, from what we've seen reported and just what
we all know, kind of seems in line where it's
the jack want. It seems Pods and all the available picks,
probably plus Moody whatever salary. I don't know if they're
hot for Kaminga or they're insisting he'd be included on that,
but it seems like if the Warriors were gonna get
Larry Marketing, they'd have to be POD's, Moody and all
the picks at the bare minimum. And well, I think
that's a fair line for them to just draw based
on Marketing's immediate value and the Warriors maybe desperation. Even
though Draymond Green says he put the kebash on any deal,
I don't know if he's trying to gain the Warriors
leverage or if he's just trying to make a team
like he's he's in the young guys' corner in case
this doesn't go down. Maybe it's a little bit of both.
But if you're the Warriors, yeah, you want to maximize
Steph's present Draymond's present. But are they good enough to
be the two best players on a title team or
Steph good enough to be the best player on a
title team when his second best player is Draymond Green
or Larry Marketing? That's in question. And then to then
give up all that stuff to where you're basically punting
on the future, let's say, except for Jonathan Kaminga, you
understand both sides of why there might be a stalemate.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, uh, you know you like your house, right, Zach.
Speaker 2: It's all right when a home only what they don't
tell you about owning a home in the movies, I
guess they do in movies like the money Pit is
just like it is a something is always going wrong.
Speaker 1: And a fucking men as someone who is a homeowner,
and it's just always something are in the dead of July,
our Central Air went out and so we're gonna have
to replace that. That's nice, little who doesn't just want
to drop fourteen grand in the bucket? And I know
Central air is a luxury. I want to make that clear.
I know I'm still super lucky, but it's always something
with a house that's not really related to Larry Market.
Although he probably has whatever he's renting or purchased in Utah,
he is probably don't want some stuff.
Speaker 2: And you might be shocked to know. To McMahon, our
listeners are surely going to be shocked to know I
can't fix anything.
Speaker 1: I have no handyman on that same thing. I don't
you know, I'd like I used to like the blame
growing up in a house without a father to teach
me this stuff, and my my mother was not super handy.
But at this point it's just I could learned. There
are people that tried to teach me. I almost the
stuff that the tool that's called a saws on when
I was younger and took down a halfpipe for my
then girlfriend's father and now my father in law and
it was her brother's I almost chopped my neck off
basically with that thing. And it was you work so
much and then you know time to learn. But I
am completely inept. I need assistance. Basically, when changing a
light bulb is like the extent of my independence when
it comes to being handy. Luckily, my wife is super handy,
and we'll build all the furniture and stuff. There's nothing
to do with Larry marketing, but I enjoyed this little
aside from Zach and Tim, but any kind.
Speaker 3: But your house isn't on the market. No, if somebody
knocks on your door and makes you a ridiculous deal
for a whole lot more than you bought the house for,
would you potentially sell it? Sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, I just got to buy another one or move somewhere.
Speaker 1: That's this is actually about Larry marketing. Don't worry everybody.
That's a really good analogy and it probably stands. I mean,
look at what Utah did with Donovan Mitchell Rigobert. Feels
like they kind of followed the same approach and rego
Beart specifically where it was Minnesota bowls them over with
an offer, and that's what they and that's why they
end up moving him, and that's the impetus for them
tearing it down, and then it reset the market for
Donovin Mitchell made it easier to move him or at
least command this king's ransom for him. And I'm sure
what was the same with Michel Bridges. Is I don't
know how married the nets were to let's pair him
with another star. But if you knew that Nick's offer
was on the table, and then it's okay. That makes
the idea of tearing it down more palatable if we
can get back some of our own picks, which then
you eventually negotiate with Houston to do. And that does
it feels like that situation all over again with Utah Again,
maybe Danny Ainge saw what mckel bridges got. He was
in on mcal Bridges. Maybe he inflated the asking price
for the Knicks and then was gonna use that as
the baseline for Larry marketIn, who has no years left
on his deal. Makes it a little tougher, But that
seems like this is the Jazz being opportunistic. But there
is a more wholesale question that we will get to
in more detail in a second is do the Jazz
actually need to try t Lowry given the direction that
they're headed.
Speaker 2: Were re orient in my life, which is a huge
giant pagin in the ass.
Speaker 3: My point is Lowry Markin is not on the market.
That doesn't mean that he won't get moved, but there's
not been anything in all the conversations the Jazz have had,
and obviously you know the Warriors have been out there
a lot of reporting on that. The Spurs or preliminary
talks the Kings.
Speaker 1: I would just like to say, and I would still
kind of like Lowry and the Kings, but I don't
know what that does defensively to you. And don't please
Kings fans. Don't get in my mentions talking about the
Marta Rosens defensive rating in Chicago last year. That is
not a team stat. He got to play a bunch
with Alex Caruso, Iobisu and MoU Patrick Williams. I think
the Marta Rosen is an upgrade from Harrison Barnes. But
the amount of Kings fans that thought Grant and I
were saying the world was over their defense was going
to suck because of the departure of Harrison Barnes. We're
concerned about the defense. We also called in that same
discussion Keegan Murray one of the most underrated defenders in
the NBA, and we acknowledged Kean Ellis's value, and we've
dearon Fox's improvement on that side of flour. But regardless,
I think san Antonio is actually by far my favorite
fit for Lowry market, and him with CP three and
Wemby and Devin Vessel is just a fucking cheat code.
And look the Spurs. They got picks, and they got
some nice distant picks or semi distant picks. They got
the Hawks in twenty five and twenty seven, plus that
swap in twenty six, and they also have Minnesota's two
thousand and thirty one first round pick, and they also
have that Kings two thousand and thirty swap floating around
in there. They also have another don't they have like
a duel or is it Minnesota's two thousand and thirty
first round pick? I can't remember on that one. But
they have these like assets for days. So yeah, they
have Minnesota's twenty thirty one first and then they get
to swap with Sacramento in twenty thirty one. They have
swap rights with Dallas or Minnesota in twenty thirty. Plus
let's not forget they have swap rights on Boston twenty
twenty eight first rounder. The Spurs have the juice to
get it done, and I would love to see them
get it done. Not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: Before they went through the rows and direction. A lot
of teams have called and checked in. There has been
nothing even remotely tempting from the Jazz perspective to this point.
Siation and extension getting the massive raise to whear Be
forty plus mil this year into an extension moving forward
and it'll be signed. After all, his seventh basically given
him a one year no trade clause.
Speaker 1: Now, for people wondering might be wondering why the Jazz
just when say well, we're not going to renegotiate and
extend you if you go that route, it would be
because they knuke his trade value effectively because they keep
him on that expiring contract and they're in a situation
where teams either say, well, now you need to move
him because it clearly isn't an amicable decision. And so
he's going to get to unrestricted free agency and yeah,
you have the Carrod of the fifth year, can offer
bigger raises, but he'll just leave and there will be
a team that off from a ton of money, and
so that cost the Jazz a ton of leverage. It
would be different if he was going into restricted free
agency or something, and they would have the easy matching rights,
like absolute control over him. But if you're gonna say no,
we kept this cap space, We're not going to renegotiate
and extend you out of spite because you wouldn't sign
it on the one day that would leave you trade
eligible in the season that ends poorly. And so Larry
Marketing does have the leverage. I want to make that clear.
I don't know if it ends up being the full
boat where we're looking at. Oh gets the max salary
next year plus a max four years out on that,
but he does have the leverage to go this route,
and honestly, if he likes it in Utah just doesn't
want to be it'd be different if they could tell well,
you're gonna go here in February, like we know we're
going to trade you the Warriors. But you can't. That's
not a thing. That's not something that works. And so
if I were him, I would approach it the same way.
Speaker 2: My best intel talking to people and you just never know, right,
but like all you can do is hear everything and
do your best. Is it is that there will not
be a trade this season, that he'll be on the
Jazz this season. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: I like it when Hardwood Knox is in lockstep with
two smart people who also have a bunch of inside information.
Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage wise that is, but if
you ask me what I think is going to happen
with Lowry markinin whether he signs it to Sick the seventh,
the eighth to fifteenth, I think he. I think the
most likely scenario is he's on the Jazz. And yet
I keep coming back to why, why does that nagget me?
Is not a standalone thing that on its own makes
a ton of sense.
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't make a ton of sense from the
perspective of the Jazz. To me, are clearly going through
some level of, if not an existential crisis and existential
enlightenment of just realizing, Okay, we're probably not going to
accelerate the rebuild enough to get to a point where
it makes sense to keep Lowry long term. You're capped
on what you could do with him as the best
player on your team. And we don't believe Walker Kessler
is already being shopped. And we have Kante George, we
have Taylor Hendrix, we have Cody Williams, we have some
other young guys. We've got Jordan Clarkson, We've got Consects,
and we've got John Collins. You kind of just trapped
between a bunch of different timelines and are destined with
Lowry market and playing a bunch of minutes to maybe
be better than expected, hover at or near five hundred,
and then kind of have to pull back in the
middle of the season when you've already lost valuable tanking
or rebuilding time. And so it's that weird just gray.
It's not even a gray area. It's just this ambiguous
area that they've now been floating in. I don't want
to say aimlessly, because they do have a lot of
assets when you look at picks. I like some of
their young players, but it is a weird spot that
they have. I don't know that they put themselves in it,
but it's certainly it's certainly something that they need to
consider moving forward. And like, I don't think that having
Larry market in on this team is going to allow
you to rebuild to the fullest extent, just because he
will invariably add wins to your ledger. Even if you
stripped I guess you could strip it down to the
studs around him, But do you just have takers for
Colin Sexton and Jordan Clarkson. And that's that's the awkward
spot that they're in. And the reason is as need
to tank.
Speaker 2: Well, there's two reasons. Number one, they just they need
to do something, and they can't do the same thing
that they've been doing the last two years. Or they're
five hundred and scrappy and feisty and Will Hardy's coaching
his ass off and oh my god, blah blah blah,
and then the front office pulls the rug.
Speaker 1: I forgot Zachlo said all this, So I apologize for
stepping on the toes of everything he said, sentiments we've
conveyed somewhat on this podcast already though, So whatever.
Speaker 2: Out for him under a halfway through and you end
up picking ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever they've ended up picking.
That's what's gonna happen if they just bring back Lowry
market in and do nothing else.
Speaker 1: Right, And the problem there is, even if you say
that you're going to shut him down or just use
him like in a moderate capacity, if you've already paid him,
I guess that might fly with him, but this is
still going to be a you know a star with
an ego and that wants to play, and if you
are planning on trading him, you're doing nothing for his
trade value though, whether you've paid him or not, and
by playing him less or shutting him down at the
end of the season maybe potentially deflating his numbers or
teams might game it. As oh Liary market was on.
This team had another really good efficient scoring season and
the Jazz won twenty one games or something by design,
But what does that say about his impact on winning?
That wouldn't be a fair stance. But you do risk
compromising Lowry Marketing's trade value if you keep him and
wean fully in to the rebuild.
Speaker 2: I just don't think that they want to do that.
I don't care what the posturing is publicly. I don't
care what you're saying I think is true of like
you've got to blow us away with this McHale Bridges
level offer to get Lowie market In. I just I
know Danny Ainge, I know how he operates. I think
he wants to be in this draft and or the
next draft at a high level. And I just don't
think they can do that with just Lowry Marketing and
I also don't think they can compete realistically for anything
better than like maybe a low end playoff spot if
they just bring back lowry market in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like even that's ambitious, because if you
look at the landscape of the Western Conference right now,
it's I mean, what is the team that's not planning
on making some type of a push for a play
in spot. It is as of right now, it's Portland,
And I guess you might throw Utah in that, and
there might be a level of, oh, Houston's not too
committed to doing it because they have a bunch of
youngsters they're still evaluating and they're trying to figure that out.
But when you look at the West, the only team
that is already taking itself out of the play in
discussion is Portland and perhaps Utah. And so you have
to sit there as the Jazz and ask yourself, well,
how many teams with our marketing are we guaranteed to
be better? Then the answer is one. And I think
they actually go on to answer that later in this clip.
We will skip over that part, but like, it's one,
And if you really wanted to like push it, you
could just say maybe too and bet on. Okay, the
uncertainty with the Clippers, the uncertainty with New Orleans is
center rotation. Again, I'm reaching here in a bunch of
spots and like, maybe we'll be better than San Antonio,
who might not be super interested in winning either. So
like you could certainly consider that, but at maximum I
would say, to guarantee, you could say, yeah, they'll be
They'll finish thirteenth in the West. At at I would say,
I don't want to say that's their ceiling, but that's
the only thing that you could be prepared to guarantee.
And look you go by last year, if you have
the third worst record in the Western Conference, that amounts
to the seventh best lottery odds if it follows that
type of you know pattern. But you're adding weird things
into the fold because look at what the worst teams
in the Eastward. Look at who the worst teams in
the Eastward Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, and Toronto before you get
to Memphis was the third worst team in the West
because of injuries last year. You have to add Chicago
and Brooklyn to that mix. And the only team I
might take out that could be interested in winning, I
think it would be Toronto Charlotte. I really do think
could be better than expected if they're healthy, but I
do think they'll trade or you know, shut down play
to get their way out of that. And so if
you're the Jazz, it's important to be organically bad as
possible right out of the gate, because if you want
to be in the running for if you want to
be in the pooper for Cooper, it's not going to
be something that you can just do playing your veterans
for half the year and then pulling back. Yeah, you
could get lucky in the lottery, but if you're trying
to maximize your odds, that's not going to be the
way to do it, not even close.
Speaker 2: Which is why I think it's interesting that they were
reportedly in on McHale Bridges before mkal Bridges got traded
to the Knicks. And I've been told in the last
couple of days that like they were even more aggressively
in for McHale Bridges. And this is just according to
a couple sources who knows, but that that was maybe reported,
which makes me wonder just kind of what's going on here, because.
Speaker 1: Just and that's interesting because there was the initial reporting
and this is like Lowe is one of the first
people I've heard say I think the first person I've
heard say this. A lot of people thought it was
just performative, they're interested in mckal bridges. It was oh,
if the nets are going to move them and we
could give up a few picks for it, or where
a lot of people thought they're driving up the price
mchel bridges. So that then that resets the market for
Larry market And even though if you're trading him as
an expiring contract, he's just not going to have as
much value as mckel bridges. Here's the thing. You can
make the case that Larry marketing is more valuable in
a vacuum than mckel bridges on offense. I think that's
certainly the case right now. But when you look at
not only him needing a new deal, but the fact
that he is not going to take a discount insid
deal with Bridges, part of the stuff that was caked
in for the Knixes, Jallen Brunson might just sign this
extension to play with his friends, which he did, and
maybe mckel bridges he can sign one hundred and five
percent extension, or we can extend him for one hundred
and forty percent off next year's number once this season
is over. Those are both numbers on top of the
Jaylen Brnson number that would be considered below what he
would get on the open market. You're not going to
get that by all appearances with Lowry. I want to
make it clear, nor should you. If you're marketing, get
your money like this is your chance to cash in
on You've been on this below market deal. Now you
graduated into borderline all stardom. And that's part of the
calculus here, which is why you're still should get a
boat load for marketing. But if you are holding out
hope for the mchal Bridges level offer, you're more likely
to get it if you extend, renegotiate and extend him
and then you're reevaluating next summer. But that only again,
it complicates your your position in the Western Conference relative
to what we want to rebuild, and we want to
have super high lottery odds.
Speaker 2: Bringing back Lowry marketing and not doing anything else. It
doesn't seem to make It doesn't pass the smell test
to me. And I don't know what the other alternative
is though.
Speaker 1: And that's I think that's kind of like where we
can leave the clip even because this is the this
is the question, this is just the the whole point
of this exercise. Do the Jazz need to trade lowry
market in and if you're going to maximize your lottery odds?
The answer is yes. And that's a compliment to Larry
market In. It's it's a compliment to Will Hardy, it's
a compliment to a lot of the supporting cast members
on Utah. You could, yeah, you could strip it down elsewhere.
But what's the market for Sexton and Clarkson Collins? I
want to there's probably not a super robust market for
Collins if at all, like you're not gonna get I
would think any positive value you probably get a little
something for Jordan Clarkson. His deal is relatively reasonable and
teams can count on him as some secondary facilitator and
someone who's comfortable generating his own shot. And Sexton, I
think you'd probably get the equivalent of two first round
picks four, that would be my guess. But the market's
now kind of dried up. That's also a weird situation
that you're in is you're looking at teams that are
mostly set there might still be teams that are willing
to trade for these guys. Don't get me wrong, but
there's probably a lot of teams. Let's use the Magic
as an example. Who could be a team for Jordan
Clarkson or Sexton? More likely Sexton. They're probably like, what
we've gone about our business? We got KCP. Let's see
if we can level up on offense, you know, internally
before we go down that path. And that's you know,
so by waiting this long, you've damaged the trade options
for other players on your roster. And so here's where
I'm at. Do you need to trade Larry Marketing right now?
I almost feel like the answer is yes, if you
want to maximize your rebuild. And if you're not going
to trade him, I do you wonder do you seriously
look at I don't know who else is available, but
making kind of a small consolidation trade or a medium
size to say, hey, well then we're just gonna double
down around Lowry Marketing. That's a less palatable path to me.
If I had like the outcomes here would be okay, well,
then let's strip down everything else and that's what we're
gonna do. Or Lowry market is gonna play twenty five
minutes a game or just thirty minutes a game. We're
cutting him off after that, and the game will be
lost in other minutes because we'll keep Colin Sexon and
Jordan Clarkson more easily in check, and we're gonna give
a ton of minutes to all the youngsters. You're gonna
see a lot of Taylor Hendrix, You're gonna see a
lot of Cody Williams, Bryce Sensaba, You're gonna see a
lot of Kiante George just running the point here. Again,
the Jazz with Lowry could still be pretty bad relative
to the rest of the West, but you're in a
position where you need to out tank a lot of
the other teams in the East, and you're not going
to do that by holding on to him midseason. And
if I'm the Jazz, I'm not trading him for the
sake of trading him. That's what makes this situation so tough.
It's almost like they should have moved him. Last summer
would have been the optimal time. What he had the
multiple years left on his deal, they probably could have
commanded close to McHale Bridges type Paul if not the
you know, Ditto like that exact type Paul, and maybe
they still get it. I mean, if you're gonna get
it's the I don't want to call it settling. But
if the Warriors are gonna give you two or three
first and then Pods and Moody, or if it's two
first Pods and Moody and swaps, that's something I'm considering
subout COMINGO for Pods if you really like Cominga better,
and you could look at it that way, But like,
I don't know that you're gonna get. Let's say the
Warriors can go up to three first round picks, and
the way they get to three is they trade the
unprotected part of that pick that's going to Washington. Three first,
two swaps, whatever swaps they have, plus Moody plus Pod.
I'm not doing that if I'm Golden State, especially if
it's Pods and Cominga. But I'm not doing I'm not
close enough to title contention to do Pods, Moody, three
first and multiple swaps. It's just Larry Market is not
putting me over the top. That's not an insult to
Larry Market, and it's not even an insult. It's just
the reality of the Warrior situation. Now if the Spurs,
but if you're getting Pods two firsts and and Moody
or Pods a first, multiple swaps and Moody, like, that's
probably the bare minimum for me as Danny Ainge, maybe
I'm too high on pods. If the Spurs are putting.
I know there's reports that the Jazz don't want Kelden Johnson.
If you want to you know, do matching salary, there's
way like Keldon Johnson's on a pretty good deal and
fills a position of need at the three, especially with
Larry marketing outgoing. It's sort of that combo forward. So no,
he's not even close to the same type of player
slatry market and I want to make that absolutely positively clear,
but I didn't. I found that weird. It's you take
Kelden Johnson. If the Spurs are saying, well, we'll give
you Kelden Johnson instead of two other first, it's a
different discussion. But between Keldon Johnson and if they're gonna
give you like I don't know, like, let's say three
if you can get I'll frame it this way, if
you can get the equivalent of three first, and then
either multiple swaps or Jeremy Sohan like that feels like
a fair price for Larry Marketing. And you could sit
here and say, well, no, then we don't want to
trade him. That's fine. But if you're utah, what are
you doing? Why are you not more aggressive in making
upgrades to be immediately good? And if the plan is
to still be bad with Larry Marketing, I think you're
here's what you're gonna do. You're inevitably gonna half asset
and not be bad enough, or you're bad enough, and
Larry Marketing's trade value after paying him is tanked in
the process, And so that's the predicament the Jazz are in.
And I want to make it clear, I'm not advocating
for them to trade Larry Marketing just for the sake
of trading them. If the baseline minimums of let's say
three first and Jeremy Sohan or multiple swaps isn't out there,
I get it, Like I'm probably I would probably even
trade him for less than that, But I'm trying to
be sympathetic to what like the way that the Jazz
are looking at this. If you're even close to meeting
multiple first round picks, multiple first, good first round picks,
some swaps, and multiple like if you're checking, like if
we're talking two prospects, three first round picks, and two swaps,
so you're looking at a total of seven things that
you're prioritizing, and maybe even up into eight. If you're
checking like four, five, six of those boxes, it's worth considering.
It depends on the prospect, It depends on the picks,
the protections, how far they go out, who they're coming from. Like,
that's when you really need to start thinking. And if
you're if you're not gonna do it, there's and he's not,
Like the the ideal outcome for them, I would argue
is he signs it on August sixth. It doesn't seem
like he's gonna do that. So maybe that's what the
Jazz are kind of holding out hope for, is that
he will go that route, and then if he doesn't,
well then they're just not gonna renegotiate and extent him.
They'll move him anyway because these other offers will still
be there. That is almost like the is that the
smartest or wisest outcome here would be Okay, we're gonna
see if we can call his bluff and he'll sign
it on August sixth, or maybe for all we know,
he's already agreed to sign it August sixth, sixth, and
they're gonna re you know, say, okay, we'll know what
the offers are at the trade deadline, or if he
doesn't sign it, all right, we waited, we tried, and
we're gonna trade him now and anyway like that, the
best offers from Golden State or San Antonio, we're gonna
take that, and that that's what's gonna happen. I guess
the other way to look at it, though, is even
if he eligible to be traded this season after renegotiating,
extending those moves, like you're are the Spurs gonna be
as hot for lowry marketing in February as they are
in August? And diddle for the Warriors because those are
two teams that could be worse than expected. We're all
high on the Spurs, we all know what Steph can
still do, but like, those are two teams that aren't
guaranteed spots in the play in race right now. And
so if you're the Warriors, why are you mortgaging more
of your future just to not and it's even harder
for them to do it than the Spurs, because the
Spurs can look at it as a future investment next
to Wemby and Devin Vessel. The Warriors can't do that
because any marketing trade is gonna cost them at least
two of Pods, Moody and Kamena. I would say cost
of these Pods and Moody and then Picks and stuff.
So that's like one of Pods and Kaminga or Moody
I was saying, And by all reporting, it seems like
it's Pods, which makes sense for the Jazz, even though
they might have be a little guard heavy right now.
I think Pods is more likely to pan out like
his medium outcome, where his cominga seems not boom or
bust but incredibly good. Might hit like on a star
end outcome. But you're about to pay him, so that
gets a little wonky. So and again, how does he
fit next to Do you like Taylor Hendrix? Do you
like Cody Williams? Do you still like Walker Kessler? What
is the dynamic there? I would just if I'm Utah
prioritizing Pods because of the cost control, and I think
he's going to be more offensively versatile to where it's
all right, maybe this is someone who look he shot
like forty three percent on step back three, so maybe
he can generate his own looks. But if not, he'll
be good connective tissue, some secondary playmaking. That's why I
prioritize him. This is way off track there, though, but
that's that's what I'm doing. If I'm Utah's is kind
of or how I'm looking at it is, are these
teams going to be as hot for him in February?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I guess what you could say is, well, other teams.
There'll be teams that are better than expected that will
be hot for him, and I'd like, I can't even
name one, but like, let's just like, what if the
Grizzlies are just gang busters. We all know that they
can potentially be gang busters, and they're willing to put
a crap ton of first round picks future first round
picks on the table. Okay, yeah, maybe, but like what,
like there are so few of those teams to where
it's you know, would Houston be in on Larry marketing?
Doesn't make a ton of sense for them if they're
better than expected? Maybe Toronto, but you're not looking at
any blue chip prospects here unless you because they're not
giving up Scottie Barnes probably not giving up a manual quickly.
Would you even want him on his new deal? But
like Jacoby Walter, Grady Dick future first like that's not
you know, that's not really a ton And so yeah,
there might be other teams that sneak in there with
assets that are wanting to give up a bunch. Is
it Indiana with Jars Walker and Bennet mcmathrin and future
first round picks and maybe Ben Sheppard some combination of those,
and it's all right, defense be damned, I guess. I mean,
Halle Siakam and marketing would be a heck of an
offense if Andrew Nemhart is with Andrew Nemhart still there,
Like yeah, you could get to a point where there
might just be surprise suitors who are wanting to give
up a bunch. But more likely, I mean, when you're
looking at the landscape, a lot of the teams that
are already going to be good strapped on assets. And
so yeah, okay, maybe Miami is going to get in
the fold. But unless you just view HIMAI Hawks as
worth a lot more than what Golden State is offering
right now, because Miami is gonna give you even fewer
first round picks at their max. Again, maybe Golden State's
only offering one first round pick or something. Who knows,
so that you're gonna be strapped to get future assets
out of them a little bit more. Okay, sees of
course floating around not the team we mentioned. They don't
seem like a squad like just historically that they're gonna
mega shake up middle of the season and they just
got Isaiah Hartenstein to add to their front court with
chet market is a better fit. You can also play
him at the he's a he's an easier fit. Like
Hartenstein's an easy fit too. You can't play him at
the three. That seems like a classic. Well, we want
more information of what this looks like in the playoffs
before we go after Lowry. Maybe not. Maybe there's a
level of urgency there just because they were the number
one seed in the West and they're able to come
out of the West right now. So and unless you're
like hi on, okay, maybe we'll get the more of
the Lakers picks twenty nine thirty one swaps Dalton Connect
and do we like Rui Hachimora, do we like Austin Reeves?
Sure there might be alternatives teams that would be willing
to give you, you know, are they are you kind
of looking at this from the Philly perspective of, oh,
they'll step ladder their way to Lowry Marketen's eighteen million,
and like you would know because with Philly even okay,
they have up the five first round picks they could
give you, and there's gonna be no prospects in there. No,
I should say, no super high end prospects they could
give you if they if you want, excuse me, in
addition to the first round picks they can give you
Jared McCain, Sure they can go that out. But here's
what gets interesting. Philly's taken out of the equation if
you reegotiate and extend him because they're not going to
have the salary matching to get to a forty plus
million dollar number they can get to the A team
they can step ladder their way there for sure. So
if that's what they're gaming it, I think the big
clue would be if he doesn't sign a renegotiating extent
and they keep him in the next season. It's oh,
they got something lined up when the trade restrictions lift.
I'd view that as the least likely scenario. It feels
like I agree with Tim McMahon and Zach Low that
they will end up he will end up signing the
renegotiation exten after August sixth. If he signs it on that,
it still gets super interesting. But I still think you're
leaving a lot to chance. If you're going to move
Larry market In, it either to me, I'll frame it
this way. It needs to be now, or it needs
to be next summer, like that would be when you're
going to maximize your value. What do you think? Where
do you think Larry Marketing starts next season? Where you
think he finishes next season? Do you think he'll side
the renegotiation and extend I want to see Jazz fans,
all NBA fans with trades in the comments. So much
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