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Speaker 3: Number one predictor of a low score for someone who
Speaker 3: is shooting like right around one hundred and five or left.
Speaker 3: So maybe not at beginner, but someone's been playing a
Speaker 3: little bit. So if you could shoot a hundred and
Speaker 3: five or better, there's one statistical predictor of a lower
Speaker 3: than average score for that round of golf. Almost everybody
Speaker 3: gets it wrong. What do you think it is?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: Fairways close, because.
Speaker 3: The answer involves that this is a secondary effect.
Speaker 6: So then i'd go greens in regulation.
Speaker 3: Correct, greens and regulation. That's the number one stat It
Speaker 3: presents a problem though, because to hit a green in
Speaker 3: regulation or to hit a high percentage the tour pros
Speaker 3: today average around thirteen out of eighteen, much lower than
Speaker 3: most people think. When they're playing well, they might be
Speaker 3: sixteen or seventeen, but I mean the averages around thirteen,
Speaker 3: thirteen and a half something like that. The problem with
Speaker 3: that stat for average golfers is to achieve it you
Speaker 3: have to have a good golf slink. Most average golfers
Speaker 3: don't spend the money that's required finding a quality teacher,
Speaker 3: or if they do spend the money, they don't spend
Speaker 3: the time practicing it long enough to form a fundamentally
Speaker 3: sung golf swing. But for those people who do, that
Speaker 3: opens up a whole doorway to much improved scoring.
Speaker 1: Power of six practice strategies with Jim Waldron.
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Speaker 6: Green, Welcome back to Golf Smarter, Jim Fred.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and uh yeah, we'll have some audio files,
Speaker 3: some video. You know. It's good. The old website was
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Speaker 1: Well, you know you said the economy. You know, you
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Speaker 1: redoing their website in two thousands, right, Oh, I'm doing.
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Speaker 6: You can contribute writing.
Speaker 1: I mean hopefully you're going to be one of our
Speaker 1: contributing editors here.
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Speaker 1: And then I also Green Creative. I'm redoing that one
Speaker 1: as well. But anyway, let's talk about golf please, because
Speaker 1: you've got a fascinating topic that I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: pursue and that you you termed as practice strategies correct.
Speaker 3: Tell me more, something, something that isn't talked about a
Speaker 3: lot in golf instruction circles, to the detriment of average
Speaker 3: golfers especially, is how do you practice effectively? How do
Speaker 3: you take you know, because most instructions about what you
Speaker 3: should be doing with your club or your body or,
Speaker 3: in the case of mental game, your mind. Okay, so,
Speaker 3: but but you know, we also know most practice, or
Speaker 3: most instruction rather is geared toward, hopefully, if it's good instruction,
Speaker 3: if it's quality instruction, it's geared toward on the physical
Speaker 3: side of the game, toward forming new and dominant habit patterns,
Speaker 3: physical movement patterns that they are so habitual that they're automatic,
Speaker 3: They manifest automatic, and you don't have to think about it. Right,
Speaker 3: That should be the goal of anytime you try to
Speaker 3: make a physical change. As much as possible, you want
Speaker 3: to make that change be a dominant habit pattern i e.
Speaker 3: Something you don't have to think about, and that means
Speaker 3: you have to practice. And you know, one of the
Speaker 3: hard things about golf is is you know, there's so
Speaker 3: many different types of shots you need to learn to
Speaker 3: score well and to improve your game. And you know,
Speaker 3: I've always been an advocate of being very clear about
Speaker 3: laying out a practice point for every student, whether there
Speaker 3: are a lesson students or off school student. But it's
Speaker 3: a complicated topic, and it's only been until the last
Speaker 3: I don't know year or so I felt I've kind
Speaker 3: of got a really good handle on it because there's
Speaker 3: more than one way to do it. There's, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, half a dozen or so major ways
Speaker 3: you can practice. And so there's some rules for effective practice,
Speaker 3: and there's some sort of categories of effective practice. I
Speaker 3: thought we could talk about today.
Speaker 1: Awesome, So I'm just kidding. I know that we've talked
Speaker 1: about this before. But does muscle memory fall into that?
Speaker 1: And do you buy into muscle memories? Some people think
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous and some people think it's the only way
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 3: You know, Hogan was actually in the golf world. He
Speaker 3: coined the term in an interview back I think in
Speaker 3: the sixties with I think it was a Golf Digest,
Speaker 3: and then in his last interview with Golf Digest, which
Speaker 3: I think was in nineteen eighty seven, he said something
Speaker 3: like I wish I'd never coined the term in an
Speaker 3: interview because what people took it to mean was let's
Speaker 3: talk to our body parts and try to get them
Speaker 3: to be behave better, which, of course is that stuff
Speaker 3: that superstitious nonsense that I've been critical of on your
Speaker 3: show on all the previous However, many times I've been
Speaker 3: on guests, I think I think it was my seventh
Speaker 3: pair and something like that. So that so that comton
Speaker 3: sort of the colloquial definition of it is wrong. You know,
Speaker 3: muscles don't have memory, and so talking to body parts
Speaker 3: is worse than useless. In fact, in the future, we're
Speaker 3: going to do a show on the yips.
Speaker 6: Right absolutely, and that may we'll get.
Speaker 3: The yips they talk to body parts, that's the pre
Speaker 3: gip stage. So that sense muscle memory is a myth.
Speaker 3: What it really is is that the scientific term is
Speaker 3: motor memory, and there's different kypes. There's three different kinds.
Speaker 3: There's working memory, which lasts just a few seconds, there's
Speaker 3: short term memory, which lasts you know, hours or a
Speaker 3: few days, and there's what's called long term motor memory,
Speaker 3: which basically is a dominant habit, which is as long
Speaker 3: as the back part of your brain where that motor
Speaker 3: memory program exists and the cerebellum is stays stays healthy,
Speaker 3: have that habit pattern to the day you die. And
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of what we want to have, this
Speaker 3: long term motor memory right right right, So you couldn't
Speaker 3: do it wrong if.
Speaker 1: You tried, well, you know, when you that's just you know,
Speaker 1: so many people just go out and they don't take lessons.
Speaker 1: They just start swinging, and then this is what they
Speaker 1: get ingrained. And then if you get to the point
Speaker 1: where I am now of trying to take lessons and
Speaker 1: relearn everything, trying to eliminate all the bad habits and
Speaker 1: and you know, mishits because of your bad habits, it's
Speaker 1: it makes it difficult to make that long term memory
Speaker 1: work when you're you're fighting inside your head.
Speaker 3: People people often golf, average golfers especially, they have sort
Speaker 3: of like all the spinning the wheels sort of syndrome.
Speaker 3: You mean, they they take a lesson or two or three,
Speaker 3: or a golf school, or they read a book and
Speaker 3: they try it and it kind of works for a while,
Speaker 3: and then after a couple of weeks it doesn't work,
Speaker 3: and they move on to the next tip. You know,
Speaker 3: that just doesn't work, and that literally is like the
Speaker 3: hamster on the wheel and condemned to eternity spinning on
Speaker 3: the wheel. So what you need is an intelligent, strategic
Speaker 3: approach to how you a sort of a portion your time,
Speaker 3: especially if you're not retired, just still working for a living.
Speaker 3: You've only got so much time in a given week
Speaker 3: you can devote the practice. And my whole thing has
Speaker 3: been the last couple of years is trying to come
Speaker 3: up with a way you can sort of cover all
Speaker 3: the basis of improving or at least maintaining your current
Speaker 3: skill level in certain the key areas. And this is
Speaker 3: where the money you know, the Moneyball book and movie
Speaker 3: we talked about earlier approach kind of kicked in a
Speaker 3: few years ago for me, which is, you know, not
Speaker 3: all goll shots are created equal. Some are more important
Speaker 3: in terms of influence on your score, much more important
Speaker 3: than others. And so you know, a truly intelligent, an
Speaker 3: effective practice plan would would recognize that as being a
Speaker 3: true fact. So you aren't wasting your time practicing skills
Speaker 3: so that they are not going to result in significant
Speaker 3: score improvement.
Speaker 1: That begs the question, is there a least important shot
Speaker 1: in regards to your score.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a good question. I've actually put it
Speaker 3: in those terms before. I know, if I had to
Speaker 3: pick one, especially for average golfer, there's probably more than one.
Speaker 3: There are people right now. In fact, there are some
Speaker 3: PGA tour pros or hiring. There's three guys I know of.
Speaker 3: I don't recall any of these three guys names. Unfortunately
Speaker 3: it's out in my head. Otherwise I would give him
Speaker 3: credit that are doing some pretty ground baking research. One
Speaker 3: guy I know has been He used to write a
Speaker 3: column for Golf Digest. He's been doing it for over
Speaker 3: forty years. I would probably guess the least important skill
Speaker 3: to practice it's gonna be the least productive is pots
Speaker 3: between fifteen and roughly thirty feet, because as you're the
Speaker 3: odds you're going to make a putt between fifteen and
Speaker 3: thirty feet, even if you're a tour pro is very
Speaker 3: very much. I'm low on the probability scale, and if
Speaker 3: you're decent, not great. As long as you're decent at putting,
Speaker 3: you're not going to three put that often. If you're
Speaker 3: decent already, from between fifteen and thirty feet it's almost
Speaker 3: certainly going to be most of the time it's going
Speaker 3: to be a two putt. So you're not going to
Speaker 3: gain a stroke in that skill area. You're not you're
Speaker 3: probably not going to lose any strokes, right, So that's
Speaker 3: just off the top of my head. But from the yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so here's here's what it is I'm going
Speaker 3: to start. I call this the power of six. There
Speaker 3: are six you can call it, you could say shot
Speaker 3: categories or golf shot skill categories that are extremely important
Speaker 3: for all skill levels, from tour pros down to beginners.
Speaker 3: Well maybe not beginners because one of these is driver,
Speaker 3: and beginner shouldn't be hitting driver because they don't have
Speaker 3: the skill. But let's let's say if you can break
Speaker 3: ninety five and you have at least ninety mile an
Speaker 3: hour clubhead speed with your driver, because if you're lower
Speaker 3: than ninety, you're better off hitting a three wood. You'll
Speaker 3: actually go further hand straighter than the driver. But even
Speaker 3: if you are using a three woods, it's one of
Speaker 3: the six categories of highly important shots in terms of
Speaker 3: influence on your score. Is your driver or again, the
Speaker 3: people who have slower swinging speeds of their three wood,
Speaker 3: and that's something that you know, great players historically have
Speaker 3: all said, I mean, Nicholas said it, Tiger has said
Speaker 3: the driver's the most important scoring weapon in the bag,
Speaker 3: Ben Hogan said it, Sam Steve has said it. Byron
Speaker 3: Nelson said it, Ken Van Turrey said it. And it
Speaker 3: kind of makes sense when you think about it, because
Speaker 3: most holes are part four's or part fives. You're going
Speaker 3: to use that to begin the hole, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because I was thinking that the driver
Speaker 1: may be the least important, but because so we're talking
Speaker 1: about the T shot.
Speaker 6: Are we talking about hitting it with your driver?
Speaker 3: Now we're talking to T shot. And let me go
Speaker 3: back and back a little bit. One of the three
Speaker 3: men I mentioned who's done research, and let's call them
Speaker 3: the golf statisticians, and I think the other two are
Speaker 3: either agreeing with this or close to agreeing with it.
Speaker 3: He said, the number one predictor of a low score
Speaker 3: for someone who is I think he said, shooting like
Speaker 3: right around one hundred and five or less. So maybe
Speaker 3: not a beginner, but someone's been playing a little bit.
Speaker 3: Who you know those if you can shoot one hundred
Speaker 3: and five or better, there's one predictor one statistical predictor
Speaker 3: of a lower than average score for that round of golf.
Speaker 3: Almost everybody gets it wrong. What do you think it is?
Speaker 6: Fair ways?
Speaker 3: No close, because the answer involves that is a secondary effect.
Speaker 6: So then go greens in regulation.
Speaker 3: Correct greens and regulation. That's the number one stature. It
Speaker 3: presents a problem though, because to hit a green in regulation,
Speaker 3: or to hit a high number a high percentage. The
Speaker 3: tour pros today average around thirteen out of eighteen, much
Speaker 3: lower than most people think. When they're playing well, it
Speaker 3: might be sixteen or seventeen, but I mean the average
Speaker 3: is around thirteen, thirteen and a half something like that.
Speaker 3: The problem with that stat for average golfers is to
Speaker 3: achieve it, you have to have a good golf swing.
Speaker 3: You have to have a fundamentally song golf swing. Most
Speaker 3: average golfers don't take the time. They don't spend the
Speaker 3: money that's required on finding a quality teacher to teach
Speaker 3: them the fundamentals, or if they do spend the money,
Speaker 3: they don't spend the time practicing it long enough to
Speaker 3: form a fundamentally sung golf swing. But for those people
Speaker 3: who do, that opens up a whole doorway to much
Speaker 3: much improved scoring greens and regulation because greens and regulation
Speaker 3: secondarily implies hitting the fairway and hitting it pretty long
Speaker 3: off the t box with your driver, with your three
Speaker 3: wood and in the fairway. So the second category is
Speaker 3: fairways like you mentioned, but not just hitting the fairy
Speaker 3: but hitting it long off the tee is also a
Speaker 3: big advantage to scoring, meaning would you rather have an
Speaker 3: eight iron in as your second shot club as opposed
Speaker 3: to a four iron?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Which is the whole idea behind T and forward
Speaker 1: is to give exactly right, yeah, is to give everyone
Speaker 1: the chance to hit it with an eight iron in, yeah,
Speaker 1: as opposed to hitting it from you know, your three
Speaker 1: wood trying to get it in you know, because you're
Speaker 1: playing from t's that you shouldn't be playing from.
Speaker 3: Absolutely so anyhow, so that's the first one of the
Speaker 3: power of six. If you want to improve your score,
Speaker 3: you need to learn to hit your t ball club,
Speaker 3: whether it's a driver, three wood, five or whatever your
Speaker 3: skill level can handle further than you do. Now. I'm
Speaker 3: talking twenty thirty forty yards further an average. And I
Speaker 3: always tell people that if you're a male and you're
Speaker 3: between the ages of fourteen, and fifty five, you want
Speaker 3: to eventually get to the point and you're healthy, obviously
Speaker 3: it have to be healthy to do this, where your
Speaker 3: average distance should be at least two hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: yards carry enrolled, and you want to shoot toward more
Speaker 3: like toward two sixty with the equipment, because if you're
Speaker 3: if you're currently hitting at two thirty off the tee,
Speaker 3: and through a combination of working on your on your
Speaker 3: swing and maybe getting fit for a new and better driver,
Speaker 3: if you can get it, if you can make your
Speaker 3: distance go up thirty yards from two thirty to two sixty,
Speaker 3: you'll be hitting at least two probably three clubs shorter
Speaker 3: into the hole into the green, which greatly improves your
Speaker 3: odds of hitting the green in regulation because it's again
Speaker 3: it's an eight iron set of a five iron for example, right,
Speaker 3: So it's pretty important that driver is I believe, of
Speaker 3: the of all the clubs in the bag. Once you
Speaker 3: can break around ninety five. Once, once you're decent enough
Speaker 3: terms of your physical skills to be hitting a driver
Speaker 3: to begin with, it's it's more important than your putter.
Speaker 3: It's more important than your ledge.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know, you're just crushing me right now,
Speaker 1: because I keep I keep telling people it's not about
Speaker 1: how far, it's about how us and I just how
Speaker 1: accurate you mean?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean not how far you hit it,
Speaker 6: how close you get it to.
Speaker 3: The pin, right, it's yeah, and that's true. But but
Speaker 3: again it's it's it's as you know, it's easier to
Speaker 3: get it closer to the pin if you hit it
Speaker 3: in the far way and then out there and down
Speaker 3: there a long way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I just see people practicing with
Speaker 1: their driver only you know, you go to their driving range.
Speaker 3: No, no, you don't. That's that I think that's the.
Speaker 6: Most important thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think it's the most important thing,
Speaker 1: and here you are telling me it's now the most
Speaker 1: important thing, lowering.
Speaker 3: It's it's the most important thing again, if you have
Speaker 3: the ability to hit it right, if you're if your
Speaker 3: swing is is decent enough to where you can actually
Speaker 3: get around ninety five miles or for sure ninety ninety
Speaker 3: minimum or higher.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's got the caveat there, good, good recovery coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's true you because some people don't have
Speaker 3: the ability to hit it, so they shouldn't be hitting
Speaker 3: it to begin with, but then you know you had
Speaker 3: them a three wood, so whatever, whatever, whatever, Whether it's
Speaker 3: a five wood for the really high handicappers, a three
Speaker 3: wood for the sort of the moderately high handicapped players
Speaker 3: out there, and a driver for the intermediate advanced players, whatever,
Speaker 3: whichever those three clubs it is, you have to hit
Speaker 3: that club with a fairly high degree of consistency in
Speaker 3: terms of solidness of contact, reasonable clubhead speed. So the
Speaker 3: ball and you know, being on playing with the square
Speaker 3: club base, so the ball goes a fairly long way
Speaker 3: and in the fairway or at the worst the crookedness
Speaker 3: is going to be is in the first cut of rough.
Speaker 3: You can still score well from the first cut cut
Speaker 3: a rough, right, you can't score well if you're hitting
Speaker 3: it into the trees, into the fairway, bunkers, into the
Speaker 3: water or obe. That's why it's not just long, it's
Speaker 3: long and straight, right, And.
Speaker 6: That's when we get to golf smarter.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: Whatever, And it's the other thing I always say to people,
Speaker 1: you never follow a bad shot with a stupid shot.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Yeah, you never want to have two
Speaker 3: bad shots in a row.
Speaker 1: No, especially when you don't have to right check their
Speaker 1: go and stop it. Yeah, doc gebber your ego a way,
Speaker 1: you can't get there. You are not tiger Woods.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Anyhow, So that's one of the
Speaker 3: six important, you know, in terms of shots that influencer score.
Speaker 3: Then the second one is and I think from my
Speaker 3: research from my angle, I'm not so sure these other
Speaker 3: three the golf the golf wizards would agree with this,
Speaker 3: but it's pretty obvious to me that the one area
Speaker 3: that's the second area of and probably in order and
Speaker 3: it would would be second most important, would be super
Speaker 3: short pots from two to six feet. If you miss
Speaker 3: a pot from two to six feet, you're going to
Speaker 3: be pissed off, and rightfully so, because you just wasted
Speaker 3: a stroke.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 3: I mean, let's it's a very fast downhill breaking pott,
Speaker 3: particularly left the right baking putt for a right handed
Speaker 3: which are kind of hard to make. Uh, if it's
Speaker 3: you know, if it's not that kind of pot, it's
Speaker 3: more of a normal slope and had a lot of
Speaker 3: break and you miss it, you just wasted a stroke.
Speaker 3: So you know, there's things you can do to improve
Speaker 3: your odds of making those short putts, which we'll talk
Speaker 3: about in another episode because I know we're doing one
Speaker 3: on putting. But basically, if you're not practicing your short putts,
Speaker 3: you're probably scoring three, four or five six strokes higher
Speaker 3: than you need to. The tour pro spend hours and
Speaker 3: hours and hours. They spend very little time practicing medium
Speaker 3: length pots and at fifteen to thirty five foot range.
Speaker 3: They spend a lot of time on super short putts,
Speaker 3: a fair amount of time from eight to fifteen feet,
Speaker 3: which is often their birdie range, right, But the super
Speaker 3: short putts are to make par occasionally to make birdie
Speaker 3: if you hit it really close on a par four,
Speaker 3: or maybe on your third shot on you're a fourth
Speaker 3: shot on a par five, or maybe it's like a
Speaker 3: second putt on a par five, right, so you're making Basically,
Speaker 3: you're making par, and if you're an average golfer, you're saving.
Speaker 3: You're making bogie with that putt in the two to
Speaker 3: six foot range. So if you miss it, now it's
Speaker 3: a double.
Speaker 1: Hey, can we make a new rule here? Can we
Speaker 1: make a new rule about the super short putts? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, six feet, yeah, But when you're when you're
Speaker 1: playing with your buddies and you've got a two foot
Speaker 1: three foot or left and they say it's good, pick
Speaker 1: it up, right?
Speaker 3: Can we just say I bet?
Speaker 6: Well, I bet, because they want to beat you.
Speaker 3: It's got to be eighteen inches or less for me.
Speaker 6: No, I've had Yeah, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: But I want to say that if someone tells you
Speaker 1: it's good and you go over to knock it in
Speaker 1: the hole because you want to hear the happy sound,
Speaker 1: but you miss, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: You don't get to pick it up and go, well, no,
Speaker 6: that was good. You said it was good.
Speaker 1: No, if you miss, you know, I'm sorry, it doesn't
Speaker 1: count as a give me on that one. Knock it off?
Speaker 1: Uh uh yep, So just pick it up so help
Speaker 1: the pace the play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an important I mean, that's obviously an important
Speaker 3: people average golf. For people who shoot like say eighty
Speaker 3: five to one hundred, they're not good super short putters.
Speaker 3: They need they need to take some instruction on how
Speaker 3: to make those short putts, and they need to practice
Speaker 3: it right a regular basis and a lot. You know,
Speaker 3: you can practice that at home and if you have
Speaker 3: a normal kind of if you don't have like nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy five shag carpeting in your house. You can probably
Speaker 3: just do it at night on your on your living
Speaker 3: and carpet right now.
Speaker 1: Oh twenty five bucks, and you can get one of
Speaker 1: those little practice putting things that has the ball return
Speaker 1: on it. And I just I have one in my
Speaker 1: office and when I'm on the phone or waiting for
Speaker 1: something to render, while I'm producing video or something, I'm
Speaker 1: just practicing my putting all day long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Okay, here's the third category.
Speaker 1: But before you get to that third category, and I
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Speaker 3: Number three, which one of the golf stats. Guys calls
Speaker 3: uh and Richie, I just don't remember your last name.
Speaker 3: I apologize. His first name is Richie. He's actually working
Speaker 3: with some tour pros now. He calls it the danger zone.
Speaker 3: And I've been teaching this for god for fifteen years now,
Speaker 3: that there's one type of shot, but again pally for
Speaker 3: average golfers all it also applies to tour pros. That
Speaker 3: is almost always, if you're if you're shooting, if your
Speaker 3: if your average handicap is between maybe six and you know, twenty,
Speaker 3: especially for those guys, this this this range is going
Speaker 3: to cause you, is going to cost you some strokes.
Speaker 3: That's one hundred and seventy five to roughly two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifteen yard range. Maybe if you're a longer hitter
Speaker 3: average player, maybe one eighty five to two twenty five.
Speaker 3: So that's that's your three four five irons or or
Speaker 3: your hybrid equivalent maybe two three and four hybrid, your
Speaker 3: five would that's those are the clubs that cost people
Speaker 3: almost always, almost every round of golf, you know, certainly
Speaker 3: a few strokes per round. And the reason why is
Speaker 3: people again, people don't have the you know, enough fundamentals
Speaker 3: they're not fundamentally sound enough in their ball striking skill
Speaker 3: to hit those longer clubs both the required distance. Let's
Speaker 3: say it's let's say it's a two hundred yard shot
Speaker 3: for me, that would be a three iron, or it
Speaker 3: would be my twenty two degree hybrid. You know, that's
Speaker 3: a long part three. It's it's your second shot on
Speaker 3: a long part four. If you're an average golfer, it
Speaker 3: could be your second shot on a short part five
Speaker 3: if you're if you're decent, if you're a good average golfer,
Speaker 3: a low handicapper. But oftentimes on these long par threes
Speaker 3: or long approaches on par four's, you hit it way
Speaker 3: short in the bunker, or way short in the water
Speaker 3: in front of the green, or you miss it wildly
Speaker 3: to the left or right in the bushes, the rough
Speaker 3: or the trees right you. So now you're scrambling to
Speaker 3: try to get up and down for par and because
Speaker 3: because it's you know, because it went in a really
Speaker 3: bad place, your odds are getting up and down, even
Speaker 3: if you're a tour pro are pretty much zero. So
Speaker 3: but you know, people don't. Probably how many times you
Speaker 3: see people practicing with their five, with their four or
Speaker 3: five iron on the driving range, they just don't, you know.
Speaker 3: And the reason they don't is they don't hit it well.
Speaker 3: And because they don't hit it well in the short term,
Speaker 3: it hurts their confidence. So they go to their eight iron,
Speaker 3: their six iron, their seven iron, you know. And I
Speaker 3: always tell my students, look, you know, even if you're
Speaker 3: not working on a major swing, change, just take the
Speaker 3: swing you have warts and all. If you work with
Speaker 3: the with the hybrids in the four or five iron
Speaker 3: and even five would and learn to hit those clubs
Speaker 3: to at least say twenty five percent better than you're
Speaker 3: hitting now, that's gonna have a huge impact on your
Speaker 3: score because you're going to feel more confident when you play.
Speaker 3: When you when you have that club in your hand
Speaker 3: and you're standing over a two hundred yard par three
Speaker 3: t shot and there's water in front of the green right,
Speaker 3: maybe bunkers behind the green and o b left and
Speaker 3: a lot of trees and high grass on the right.
Speaker 3: Basically you have to hit the green to make par right.
Speaker 3: You got no bailout the area. You're not gonna you're
Speaker 3: probably not gonna put a really bad swing on it,
Speaker 3: at least not most of the time because you feel
Speaker 3: confident because you've seen yourself hit that shot two hundred
Speaker 3: yards relatively straight, say six or seven out of ten
Speaker 3: ten balls on the driving range, right, because you put
Speaker 3: the practice time in. So yeah, Richie calls that the
Speaker 3: danger zone. That's that's an area even for tour pros
Speaker 3: where they either miss the green badly or they or
Speaker 3: they hit the green and trickle over the back edge,
Speaker 3: or you know, end up in a bunker. Then they
Speaker 3: don't they fail with it up and down. So that's
Speaker 3: an area that the average golfers just don't practice and
Speaker 3: they should be m.
Speaker 6: Hmm, excellent, excellent advice.
Speaker 1: And and don't just and don't just swing the club
Speaker 1: to swing the club, pick a target, I mean you should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And put alignment sticks down on the ground
Speaker 3: so you know you're aiming where you think you are.
Speaker 3: You'll never see a pro practice that was without an
Speaker 3: alignment stick on the ground. They always they always use them.
Speaker 3: Any else. That's pretty important. Number four of the power
Speaker 3: of six is the mental game, particularly what I call
Speaker 3: the art of shot making, which is what happens from
Speaker 3: the beginning of your preshot routine when you're standing behind
Speaker 3: the ball and you've picked your club. That's when the
Speaker 3: creative you know, sort of the art of shot making
Speaker 3: starts right and it and it lasts all the way
Speaker 3: through your golf swing until you arrive at at the
Speaker 3: finish of your swing. And the part that's really important
Speaker 3: is how your mind I'm talking conscious mind here, not subconscious,
Speaker 3: how your conscious mind is working from right before you
Speaker 3: trigger your takeaway, throughout the entire back swing, through the
Speaker 3: entire forwards wing you're finished. Because it's within the swing
Speaker 3: motion itself that you can sabotaze yourself by causing some
Speaker 3: form of a mistake like a flinch or a yip,
Speaker 3: or a deceleration or an over acceleration or hit impulse
Speaker 3: or scooping impulse or steering impulse right just because those
Speaker 3: If your mind is not working properly, it's not focusing
Speaker 3: where it should be focusing, something bads can happen, for sure,
Speaker 3: to disrupt your body motion, which disrupts your club motion,
Speaker 3: which disrupts your impact, which creates a bad shot that
Speaker 3: you're trying to avoid in the first place. So that
Speaker 3: basically means you have to have a consistent preshot routine.
Speaker 3: Number one. Number two, you have to learn how to
Speaker 3: focus your mind. Most people have what we call wandering minds, right,
Speaker 3: and there's that just basically means pick one thing could
Speaker 3: be the target. For example, could be your grip pressure,
Speaker 3: could be rhythm, could be tempo. There's a number of
Speaker 3: things that could be theoretically.
Speaker 1: Oh man, would Alpha Brain love it if I were
Speaker 1: to come in and do a plug for their product
Speaker 1: right about now? And that's not that I just didn't
Speaker 1: do that. They'll be happy with it. I just mentioned
Speaker 1: to help your mental game or forget Alpha Brain. But
Speaker 1: you know, metal game has been the crux of my program,
Speaker 1: my content from the very beginning. I've always felt that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that. I just think that if you have that
Speaker 1: kind of a game, if you understand it, you don't
Speaker 1: beat yourself up, you don't become your worst enemy. As
Speaker 1: doctor Joe Parent would say, then you're gonna lower your scores.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question. And the key is to have
Speaker 3: only one focal point per swing. And there are a
Speaker 3: couple exceptions to that, but for my students, they have
Speaker 3: to be about five. Handicaps are better where they had
Speaker 3: one on the back swing and they switch to a
Speaker 3: second one and the forward swing but that's again only
Speaker 3: for advanced players everybody else, if you're about a six
Speaker 3: handicap or higher, you should have one one focus for
Speaker 3: your mind that your mind is engaged with from about
Speaker 3: one second before you start your back swing and it
Speaker 3: stays with that one thing all the way to your finish.
Speaker 3: You know, it sounds easy right when we talk about it,
Speaker 3: but for most people and when they first practice this,
Speaker 3: it's very very difficult. That could be a whole episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again for those who have not tried to
Speaker 1: get alpha brain, really, I know for me, it's just
Speaker 1: it helps quiet all that extra noise in your head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you gotta have. You can't. You can't have
Speaker 3: a noisy mind to play good golf.
Speaker 1: Right, right, And we've had Matt every I don't know who,
Speaker 1: if you know who Matt every is, well, he's he's
Speaker 1: all over alpha brain. And we've had him on the
Speaker 1: show a number of times now talking about it, and
Speaker 1: he says that it's it.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 1: The year that he started taking Alpha brain, he went
Speaker 1: from a five hundred thousand dollars year of winnings to two.
Speaker 6: Million dollars one Yeah, yeah, very impressive.
Speaker 1: Now, listen, before we get to number five and number
Speaker 1: six the classic t's. We've hit our thirty minute mark,
Speaker 1: so can we stick around and do part two on
Speaker 1: members only episode for next week?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, love, all right.
Speaker 6: So we'll do five and six and then let's talk
Speaker 6: about the It's not going to.
Speaker 3: Take long to present the inflammation on on five and six.
Speaker 3: But what I really really gets interesting is how you
Speaker 3: can design your own practice program. So you're covering all
Speaker 3: six of these.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jim, stick around and we're going to do
Speaker 1: Golf Smarter for members only coming up soon. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for green to do that.
Speaker 5: You bet.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 1: It's time once again for the score Zone Short Game
Speaker 1: Academy on the Golf Smarter Podcast with our special guest
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Speaker 6: Terry, how are you?
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: in from tac Teoyama of San Jose, California, and he's
Speaker 1: done his research. He says, he hears a lot about
Speaker 1: the VSOL grind and many of your customers comment on
Speaker 1: the need to learn.
Speaker 6: How to use this grind.
Speaker 1: So his question is what is so unique about the
Speaker 1: grind and how does it benefit different shots? In other words,
Speaker 1: he says, what needs to be learned from your v
Speaker 1: SOLE grind?
Speaker 4: Well talk, I think first appreciate you of sending in
Speaker 4: your question.
Speaker 5: Glad you've been doing your homework.
Speaker 4: We get a lot of questions about the VSOL and
Speaker 4: some of that I don't know where you're reading about
Speaker 4: the customers commenting.
Speaker 5: On the need to learn.
Speaker 4: But this soul reacts in the turf differently than any
Speaker 4: other wedge on the market. And when I say you
Speaker 4: need to learn how to use it, what really mean
Speaker 4: is you need to understand or experience this new field.
Speaker 4: This club rejects out of the turf differently. And let
Speaker 4: me try to explain.
Speaker 5: Conventional wedge design.
Speaker 4: Has The manufacturers offer a wide range of bounces and
Speaker 4: low bounces and high bounces and tour grinds and all
Speaker 4: of this thing. And my experiences is what we hear
Speaker 4: day after day, week after week is people are very confused.
Speaker 5: What we do know is that a higher bounce.
Speaker 4: Angle do help get the ball out I get the
Speaker 4: club out of softer turf and fluffy your lies. Conversely,
Speaker 4: a low bounce angle is more effective when the ball
Speaker 4: is sitting tied on a close crop fairway or our
Speaker 4: firmer turf for hardpan or wet sand. So the industry
Speaker 4: has offered us these multiple options for years, but we
Speaker 4: have to make a choice in the store for the
Speaker 4: grind that we want to take to the course. And
Speaker 4: yet we don't know what our next lie is going
Speaker 4: to look like. And I felt like, well, then that
Speaker 4: doesn't make optional various grinds a very good solution, because
Speaker 4: I can't carry all of them. It was on a
Speaker 4: trip to Scotland a number of years ago, back in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety to be exact, that I encountered the firm
Speaker 4: turf of the UK and I had a sandwich and
Speaker 4: found it to be a very ineffective tool around the
Speaker 4: greens at Saint Andrews because the first day we were there,
Speaker 4: because the ground is so firm, and this big soul
Speaker 4: sand wedge was bouncing into the middle of the ball
Speaker 4: and not performing well. I went down the street to
Speaker 4: mister Octorlney's golf shop and asked if I could use
Speaker 4: his grinder. I just had this idea, and I ground
Speaker 4: the back part of the soul down to where it
Speaker 4: had much less bounce, but I left that steep bounce
Speaker 4: angle in the front and then even exended that a
Speaker 4: little bit and ground.
Speaker 5: Out a little of the leading edge. Really ugly up
Speaker 5: my wedge quite a bit.
Speaker 4: But what I found is I had created a club
Speaker 4: that would kind of glide along the turf rather than
Speaker 4: bounce off of it when the lie was tight. But
Speaker 4: yet when I would get into one of these softlies
Speaker 4: or get into a bunker, this club still had almost
Speaker 4: all the effectiveness that I had had before I ground
Speaker 4: away on it. So that got me back to the
Speaker 4: workshop and grinding when I got back, and that's where.
Speaker 5: The v soule was born.
Speaker 4: You don't really have to learn how to use it
Speaker 4: differently other than you hit some shots with it and
Speaker 4: watch what the ball does because of this soul and
Speaker 4: feel how this soul interacts with the turf, which then
Speaker 4: helps you understand what you can do with it to
Speaker 4: hit the kind of shots you want to hit, and
Speaker 4: to experiment and broaden your repertoire, so to speak. I
Speaker 4: hope that kind of explains that, But it's not some
Speaker 4: radically different thing that requires an owner's manual. But it
Speaker 4: does give you more opportunities to try different things. And
Speaker 4: you can hood down a wedge, for example, a little
Speaker 4: bit and still hit really good shots off a tight turf,
Speaker 4: And even if it's a little soft, if you hood
Speaker 4: down a conventional low bounce wedge, you're going to hoot
Speaker 4: all the bounce out of it, and you're going to
Speaker 4: turn it into just a ditch digger.
Speaker 5: By the same.
Speaker 4: Token, if you get into a tight line, you lay
Speaker 4: it open a little bit. With a conventional wedge, you're
Speaker 4: accenting that high bounce and really making it a dangerous
Speaker 4: tool for that tight lie. And this vesole doesn't elevate
Speaker 4: your leading edge as much, so it won't skip up
Speaker 4: into the ball. Don't be afraid of the vesol because
Speaker 4: you think you have to learn something new. Be drawn
Speaker 4: to the vesole because it lets you learn something new
Speaker 4: and different ways to hit different shots. And two of
Speaker 4: my favorite lines that customers gave us. One was the
Speaker 4: V soul It never met a lie it didn't like,
Speaker 4: and we didn't come up with that. Our customers came
Speaker 4: up with that and said it was okay if we
Speaker 4: started using it. And the other one is I had
Speaker 4: a customer say it forgives my mistakes, but it doesn't
Speaker 4: get in the way of what I know how to do.
Speaker 4: So it's a versatile soul. The V stands for the shape,
Speaker 4: the V stands for versatility, and we were trying to
Speaker 4: create a soul and we did which really didn't There
Speaker 4: isn't a lie out there that this soul doesn't like,
Speaker 4: and we invite you to try them. We have trial program.
Speaker 4: You know, we'll put a club in your hands and
Speaker 4: let you see for yourself what it's capable of doing.
Speaker 1: I hate to open a can of worms on this one, Terry.
Speaker 1: But with all the different lies that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: how do we practice those? Tell me, you know, going
Speaker 1: a practice session with these wedges, because you know, people
Speaker 1: are expecting to go out with their news score golf
Speaker 1: wedges and be able to pull these off, but they
Speaker 1: don't get the feel for the club. So what would
Speaker 1: you recommend being practice sessions with these clubs and different
Speaker 1: lies and how to take advantage of that.
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a couple of ways to it. It
Speaker 4: depends on where you play your golf. I'm very fortunate
Speaker 4: along to private club, but we don't have very big crowds.
Speaker 4: And one of my favorite exercises is in the late
Speaker 4: evening to throw my bag on my shoulder and take
Speaker 4: about an hour to play three holes and around each green.
Speaker 4: I just take a couple of wedges and three or
Speaker 4: four balls and I just work my way around that green,
Speaker 4: chipping and pitching from different lives, bunkers up hillside hill
Speaker 4: bear fluffy, because that's a real course condition.
Speaker 5: If you it's really worth a green.
Speaker 4: Fee to go out in the very twilight and don't
Speaker 4: worry about getting nine holes in and shooting a score.
Speaker 4: Worry about getting your two hours on the golf course
Speaker 4: that you paid for and practice. There's no substitute for
Speaker 4: practicing your short game on the golf course, because those
Speaker 4: are real conditions that you're going to encounter. But another
Speaker 4: option is to take your wedges and go over to
Speaker 4: a school yard or somewhere that isn't manicured like a
Speaker 4: golf course, and you can find areas where the kids
Speaker 4: have been running around that's pack tighter and the heck,
Speaker 4: you can find areas that are fluffy over by the
Speaker 4: fencer where the kids don't play, and you can find
Speaker 4: all different kinds of turf and just hit shots off
Speaker 4: of that little soft shots and watch how the club
Speaker 4: reacts to the turf, watch how the ball reacts to
Speaker 4: the club. You don't have to practice your short game
Speaker 4: necessarily on the golf course, but what you're trying. There's
Speaker 4: two elements of practicing your short game scoring shots. One
Speaker 4: element is practicing your technique, which you can do on
Speaker 4: the driving range, just chipping balls around on the driving range,
Speaker 4: practicing your tempo, practicing ball contact. And then the other
Speaker 4: part of practicing is practicing in real situations. Where as
Speaker 4: I described earlier, you go out on the golf course
Speaker 4: with if you're lucky enough to live on a golf course,
Speaker 4: just go round on the green that's close to your house,
Speaker 4: but late in the evening, or take your bag. Like
Speaker 4: I said, play tree holes, but don't worry about score.
Speaker 4: You're you're practicing this session and it's worth that twilight
Speaker 4: nine whole green feet to get that golf course to
Speaker 4: yourself for a couple hours, and you know, go play
Speaker 4: that hole and chip around on a green, and you know,
Speaker 4: if it's not all that crowded an evening. And I understand,
Speaker 4: I'm fortunate that I play in this kind of facility.
Speaker 4: But where there's a will, there's a way dog And Fred,
Speaker 4: it was my question, you don't get a free wad.
Speaker 4: You already got a hold bagage yell.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because it made me think about if
Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to work at a range that it's
Speaker 1: a grass range. I know that I never do this,
Speaker 1: but I should practicing and hitting out of all those divots.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm always looking for the nicest, fluffiest piece
Speaker 1: of grass to hit from, but maybe I should just
Speaker 1: be dropping balls in divots and all the crap that's
Speaker 1: sitting around the well.
Speaker 4: Go down to one end of the range or the
Speaker 4: other where you can practice off the mode T line
Speaker 4: and you can throw some balls over in that unmode
Speaker 4: rough area. And typically you can find a place over
Speaker 4: there where maybe the guy drives the mower back and
Speaker 4: forth from the maintenance barn that's mowed down pretty tight
Speaker 4: and kind of pack tight from being trafficked on. And
Speaker 4: most people aren't going to care if you go hit
Speaker 4: a few balls from there and you're not really hitting
Speaker 4: full shots all the time. Is you know these where
Speaker 4: the club reacts to the ball and the turf is
Speaker 4: most critical at the slower club edd speeds.
Speaker 6: And the other thing that.
Speaker 1: I think would be of great value is when you're
Speaker 1: out doing that, don't just practice your swing.
Speaker 6: Pick a target.
Speaker 1: Focus on the target, right, especially when you're talking about
Speaker 1: short game, is not just swing swing, swing, but see
Speaker 1: how consistently you can get to the target that you
Speaker 1: want to get to, and then pick various targets.
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 4: You know, you go to the practice range to practice
Speaker 4: your swing and your mechanics and your technique. When you're
Speaker 4: on the golf course doing this kind of practice, you're
Speaker 4: practicing your visualization skills, your ability to picture a shot,
Speaker 4: your ability to make the ball do what you wanted
Speaker 4: it to do. Don't practice blindly. Practice with a mission
Speaker 4: and practice with a vision and practice every shot have
Speaker 4: a goal for that, you know, and picture the trajectory.
Speaker 4: And you know, doctor David Cook is so big on
Speaker 4: visualization and his book Golf Sacred Journey Seven Days in
Speaker 4: Utopia is a fabulous story and for all of us
Speaker 4: for life, business and golf. But his one of his
Speaker 4: big lines is the game is played in front of
Speaker 4: the ball. Everything that's getting ready to happen is where
Speaker 4: the game is played, not that which just happened.
Speaker 6: Very interesting, Well this is this again.
Speaker 1: What I love about this partnership that Golf Smarter and
Speaker 1: score Golf has is that we're not just throwing out
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Speaker 1: wedges because they're really great. No, these are scoring clubs
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Speaker 1: just really appreciate the time that you've put into this.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Well, that's my pleasure. I enjoy talking to golfers, whether
Speaker 4: it's direct one on one or or one on a
Speaker 4: bunch as we do here, and we always have an
Speaker 4: opportunity for somebody to get interaction with us. And my
Speaker 4: world revolves around helping people play better. I think the
Speaker 4: game the better you play, the more fun it is.
Speaker 4: And I never met a golfer said well, I'm as
Speaker 4: good as.
Speaker 5: I want to be.
Speaker 3: I've never met that guy yet.
Speaker 1: And I've only met one guy ever who says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a good golfer.
Speaker 4: You know right, Yeah, No, I'm not very good. I'm
Speaker 4: as shoot about eighty, well really good. You're about the
Speaker 4: top wolves and the golfers in the world.
Speaker 5: End.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then what about those guys in the turt
Speaker 1: And yeah it was okay. I had a couple of
Speaker 1: good putts today, but I only shot you know, a
Speaker 1: sixty eight.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like, come on, leave me alone.
Speaker 4: But I mean, no, you never and John Madden in
Speaker 4: one of the best lines, you never get golf, I mean,
Speaker 4: no matter how good you play, you always can see God.
Speaker 4: But I have that three poot on twelve, or man
Speaker 4: if I wouldn't have missed that fairway on nine, or
Speaker 4: there's always something and that's what makes golf so wonderful.
Speaker 1: And the years that I spent I actually, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've told you this, but I spent three
Speaker 1: years as John Madden's engineer. And we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about it because neither of us were playing golf at
Speaker 1: the time. And he says, you know, if I have
Speaker 1: my choice of starting a new sport and I had
Speaker 1: to choose between golf and tennis, I'd much rather start
Speaker 1: with tennis. And I'm like why, and he says, because
Speaker 1: when you're a bad golfer, you're out there all day long.
Speaker 6: When you're a bad tennis player, you're done in twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: Well there you go.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He was awesome, As are you, Terry Taylor. Thanks again,
Speaker 1: Speak with you again
Speaker 5: Soon, Okay, noise fun