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Speaker 1: It looks like the markets are primed and ready to

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bounce for maybe three or four weeks. And that big

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and we go into something like twenty twenty two another

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small bear market or larger than that, or is the

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market going to bounce, stabilize and actually want to build

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a launchpad to go even higher. So we really got

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to you one bar at a time. It depends what

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various assets are doing for right now. As you mentioned,

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oil is down, it's looking pretty weak. That's not a

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good economic indicator. Gold is skyrocketing, hitting all time highs,

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telling us the world is nervous and fearful.

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Speaker 3: Ever, And welcome you are listening to and watching the

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Financial Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Hey, you're

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already at March nineteenth. March is ticking away. Market has

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been very dicey lately. Gold amazing, oil down, dollar down,

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interest rates, maybe they're going down too. But we want

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to talk with the technical traders dot com. Chris Hermulein. Chris,

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great to connect with you again. So Trump is in office,

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the stock market is having some indigestion, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: No doubt? Yeah, and thanks for having me back on

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the show. Carry Yeah, the markets are wild for sure.

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We've got Trump throwing landmines out every day. You don't

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know what he's going to say or do. He's making

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it difficult for I think short term traders. But overall,

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I mean the overall trend of the markets I believe

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are still really giant hides in the market, and news

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is usually short term blips and dips on the market.

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And you're right, it has been very volatile. We've seen

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a lot of selling in the equities markets. We're seeing

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quite a bit of damage being done on a technical standpoint,

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a lot of momentum to the downside, a lot of

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heavy selling volume, a lot of fear and stocks though

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they are beat up and they're a little over sold,

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and just based on the charts and some cycle analysis,

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it looks like the markets are primed and ready to

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bounce for maybe three or four weeks, And that big

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market going to bounce, stabilize and actually want to build

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a launch pad to go even higher. So we really

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got to you at one bar at a time. It

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depends what various assets are doing for right now, as

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you mentioned, oil is down, it's looking pretty weak. That's

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not a good economic indicator. Gold is skyrocketing, hitting all

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time highs, telling us the world is nervous and fearful

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and they want to get out of the financial system

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because they don't trust banks, they don't trust the government,

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and they want physical holder money in a physical asset.

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So there's a lot of chaos, kind of the in

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the cards. When you read the taret cards of the charts,

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there's a nervousness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, my portfolio not doing so great,

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but it's been more than an offset by the appreciation

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in gold, you know, thirty thirty gold, you know, what

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can you say about it? And now even silver is

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starting to react it's approaching thirty four bucks. Tell us

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your forecast moving ahead, we can have a pullback on gold,

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or because it's really gone a little bit, it's gone

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too much too soon, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's in a pretty major super cycle

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in a bullish phase. We had a target at three

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fifty was our next measured move target, saying that's where

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then it's going to about thirty two hundred. So we

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triggers and the momentum levels are accurate. And if it

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pauses at this level, that means it wants to go

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so you definitely don't want to picking the top in gold.

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Speaker 3: Gold.

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Speaker 1: The precious metal space has been the sweet spot for

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the last couple of years. It continues to be the

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sweet space, and it's picking up momentum, telling us I

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think we're actually getting closer and closer to it, you

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knowomic kind of crisis and a bear market inequities and

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gold will get pulled down to some extent when that happens,

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but until then, gold really is the low's volatility, the

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highest probability of making more money going forward if you

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don't want to be stepping into the ring with a

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star mass of pops and drops and presidential kind of

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news shaking limbs up.

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Speaker 3: All right, So do you have an opinion on silver?

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breaking out, it's it's moving higher, it's trying to break

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this thirty five range. I do think we could see

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silver potentially squeeze and run up a little bit higher

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all the way to about forty six, forty six or

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forty seven dollars. So percentage wise, there's still a half

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decent move in silver, but the overall chart pattern for it.

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with a strong reversal. And right now the trend is up,

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the corner and the momentum in the precious metal space

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stalls out, I think silver is going to have a

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pretty big haircut. But money's flowing into the space because

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it's nervous. I do prefer gold myself because it's at

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all time eyes, there's no overhead resistance, and it's more

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stable silver Silver can fall very quickly, so it's not

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something you want to I wouldn't want to dump a

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ton of money in because you can wipe out five

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fifteen percent of value in a couple of trading sessions,

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whereas gold. A big down day on gold is like

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one two percent. You need a few of those back

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to back to do some real damage to a portfolio.

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kind of the global barometer of fear. It's the most

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stable way to store your money outside of like you

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know stocks and real estate, and you know silver and

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miners they're all very volatile. You can put large store

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of money into gold and not have to sweat worrying

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about it, you know, losing twenty percent in a week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. But the volatility. With volatility comes much

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more potential for upsized gains, right for sure.

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or investor and where they are in their life cycle, right,

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Like my focus is on and who I mostly I

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a lot of wealth and they don't want to give

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it back. They're not swinging for the fences. They're not

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looking for big volatility effect. They're looking for capital preservation.

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How can they keep making money no matter what happens

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in the market, versus trying to make a whole bunch

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sides of the camp. I'm the side of people who

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love gold, who love currency, who love moving in on

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waves in full asset classes like the stock indexes or

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bonds when they're moving, not people who want to go

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into crypto and trade you know, individual stocks and and

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try to play whatever is in the news. So I

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definitely cater to the low volatility, but consistent returns for

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large amounts of money versus volatile a bunch of small trades,

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swinging for the fences for some you know, a bunch

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of grand slams and stuff. That's that's just not the

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style or focus that I do.

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Speaker 3: All right, So yeah, uh understand what you're saying there.

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slow the economy, it could create inflation. There's all kinds

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of different people saying different things. The dollar has definitely

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tariff news has now been kind of worked into the dollar.

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so the dollar has fallen. It's I think it's worked

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its way through the tariff news and now it's trying

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a long term trend. When you zoom back many, many years.

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is moving up into the right, a series of higher lows,

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series of higher highs, and I think we could see

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during chaos and financial uncertainty.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, so you know interest rates they've been

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heading down. The administration seems to be thrilled about it.

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a recession, couldn't it. Yeah? I think so.

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little bearish. It looks like it's it's in a downtrend

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right now. It's got a little bear flag. It looks

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like it could could want to fall a little bit

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scheme of things, I still think we're going to see

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yields continue to hold up and bonds are going to struggle.

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kind of big topping phase. When you look at the

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long term chart of TLT, which is the long term

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treasury bond, it has a long term bottom. It looks

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like it's trying to form a bottom, but doesn't mean

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they've fully bottomed and they're about to. You know, the

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dollar is not gonna or sorry, bonds are not going

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to just take off and rally, and I don't think

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interest rates are just going to fall out of bed

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and drop. So I do think they are kind of

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a painful play. A lot of people been moving into

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bonds for the last couple of years saying, hey, bonds

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have bottomed, and wild bonds may have bottomed, I'm not

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really expecting them to rally and generate huge returns anytime soon,

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so it's kind of dead money. I like to get

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into something when it is bottomed and it has started

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an up trend, meaning it's going to consistently be going

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higher and right now bonds are still in a bottoming, choppy,

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noisy environment that wastes a lot of time. And as

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or less is time. And that's the one thing that

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it's a waste of time. I move our money to

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an asset class that is generating returns and doesn't have

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any downside risk or very little downside risk. And so

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the bond market, I'm you know, we're on the sidelines.

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think we see them starting a new rally to the upside,

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and then I think there's going to be a great

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opportunity to hold bonds. I think they could become one

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of the best performers potentially the second half of this

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year to do twenty twenty six. So I'm not ruling

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them out. I'm just saying they're kind of a waste

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of time right now, and they're a waste of risk.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So its going to be interesting to see what

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Speaker 1: Well, I think my outlook, I think this is going

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to this year. We're going to see the equities market

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top out. I think we're gonna see the economy have

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a big reset. I think oil is going to break

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down in a very big way. And I think shorting

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actually going to be a very interesting play. There's huge divergence.

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couple of years, and there's this very big to me

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bearish divergence. And I think oil is on the cusp

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of breaking down and falling to potentially fifty five fifty

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dollars a barrel, and energy stocks are going to get hit.

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percent correction in energy stocks and the energy sector. Like ery,

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is kind of like an inverse two X in inverse play.

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the downside. The markets have not topped yet, they're not

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in a down trend, so we're not picking the top,

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but we're we're mentally prepared. We have some trades in

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the wings that we're watching and tracking so we can

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take advantage of falling markets through inverse ETFs or moved

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to the dollar potentially bonds. So I think this year

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is going to be the year that changes a lot

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of people's lives in terms of financial things turned down

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in real estate bottoms I think going to fall out

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there later this year, and people just need to be aware.

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It's about capital preservation more so and being able to

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just etch out some returns versus trying to make money

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and potentially losing thirty to fifty percent of your account.

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So this is gonna be a huge year, life changing

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for anyone in retirement who doesn't take action and doesn't

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protect themselves. The buying old strategy is pretty much a

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taking time bomb for anybody forty five plus at this point,

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because you could waste five to ten years with this

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next downturn before we potentially even hit new hives. And

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that's kind of the whole reason why I've been teaching

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and showing this strategy I called asset revesting, which is

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a book I published last year is really my whole

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vision and mission is like how many people can I

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save in retirement from the next crisis that that's coming

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and being prepared is the first step.

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Speaker 3: So when is it coming here?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 3: I mean we've been waiting for it for a dozen

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's that's the thing with technical analysis

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is I mean, it's not about me saying, hey, it's

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going to happen, you know, on a specific date or year.

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We follow price, and if the prices keeps going up,

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even though I've beenmbarrassed for a couple of years, ever years,

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but we're still long the markets where we're still riding

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the trends up. You have to differentiate between what you

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think feel and what the markets are actually doing. So

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while I prepare, everybody prepare there could be chaos, and no,

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you need a plan. We're not going to like do

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this and until the actual trend changes, and we're going

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to stay long until then. And it doesn't really matter

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when it happens, because we're riding these trends higher, generating

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their returns. And when finally things do turn around, which

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I do think will be this year, then well we've

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already got a game plan. There is no shock in awe.

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It's not going to catch us off guard. Will be

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like perfect. Things are breaking down. You know, we're be

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rotating our capital from one asset class to another. But

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you know, if you're looking for a date, nobody can

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really do it very well. I mean it's you know,

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if you do, it's you kind of is a fluke.

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But it's very difficult to time. You can all make downturns.

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Speaker 3: All right, So when we talk again next March nineteenth,

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in twenty twenty six, where's where do you think Gold's

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going to be twenty twenty six, I would think gold.

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I think gold could be probably back down around I

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would say maybe twenty five hundred dollars an ounce. I

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think it will have bottomed. I think it will be

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moving up or building a base maybe maybe higher than that,

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maybe maybe twenty six twenty seven hundred, And then once

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it starts out of that base, then I think it's

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offered to the five seven.

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Speaker 1: Nine thousand range. Who knows where it's going to go

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depends on the chart pattern it forms. But I'm definitely

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bullish on precious metals long term. But over the next

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year I'm not really that bullish on it. Most of

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the run has already happened, I believe, and now it's

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kind of wait for a pause and reset if you're

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not if you don't own it and you're not in it,

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I wouldn't I wouldn't really be buying it here because

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I think there's going to be a discounted price here

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soon for you know, potentially six eight, nine months to

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pick it up at a better price.

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Speaker 3: That wouldn't be unusual at all, all right, So just

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tell us where we find you, Chris, How you connect,

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How we connect with you on the web. Yeah. Sure.

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Speaker 1: You can see my charts analysis and watch me kind

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of go through the markets on my YouTube channel. Just

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search up the Technical Traders, or you can go to

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my website, the Technical Traders dot com. And I share

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my newsletter, I invest my own capital, and I just

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share exactly what I'm doing, what I'm thinking and seeing

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in the charts, share my portfolio and allocations, send out

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trade alerts anytime I do something. And my book Asset Revesting,

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It's on our website or on Amazon. If you're interested

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in learning about holding only assets going up and having

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five to twelve trades a year using ETFs.

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Speaker 3: Excellent, Hey gut in questions for Chris myself klat Kerrie

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lets dot com is the email address, and you'll find

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a link to Chris's site in the show notes of

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