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Speaker 4: A night on the panel, Lee, welcome back to the
Speaker 4: Jay Burton Show. How are you doing man?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well. I appreciate you having me back on Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm glad to have you on you. You started
Speaker 4: a substack, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I haven't launched anything on it. Yeah that right now.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to just get it set up initially.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: I'll probably start adding to it the next few weeks.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, yeah, the uh the substack algorithm is
Speaker 4: is narrowly tailored. Because I think it showed me that
Speaker 4: like sixty seconds after you posted it. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: thank you, substack. This is what I care about. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love it. Was surprised it seems to just be
Speaker 4: rage baiting me. Uh, which incidentally is how we ended
Speaker 4: up with the uh with the topic of this stream. Uh, Lee,
Speaker 4: I only bring you on to discuss the most aeradite,
Speaker 4: uh intelligent subjects, right uh gun autism, uh, the Italians
Speaker 4: and uh you know, I think you and I both
Speaker 4: have an appreciation for just uh you know, the best,
Speaker 4: our best and brightest minds, right you know, twenty per
Speaker 4: century progressives. Uh. I've got a question because I always
Speaker 4: see you interacting with these people. Are where do you
Speaker 4: find them? Because I follow like probably four hundred of
Speaker 4: these accounts on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. They just kind of, uh, come upon, uh,
Speaker 3: come upon my my Twitter feed. From time to time,
Speaker 3: I will seek out something that is juicy enough to
Speaker 3: like quote tweet or something like that. That's probably what
Speaker 3: does it. It's a I'm sure it's a Nikita Boer
Speaker 3: x AI algorithm thing that's just designed to team me up,
Speaker 3: you know, to quote tweet progressive.
Speaker 4: Speaking of that, did you do the the analytics before
Speaker 4: they shut down Rock where it would tell you all
Speaker 4: of your internal tags on.
Speaker 3: X Yeah, you know, it was all like this guy
Speaker 3: like ninety percent, like real, real weather machine stuff, and
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I I saw people kind
Speaker 3: of spurging out about it's not real, like you're an idiot,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like, well, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I understand that there are people who cannot parse data.
Speaker 3: Generically in the age of AI, it becomes you know,
Speaker 3: difficult for like Facebook boomers to not you know, for
Speaker 3: them to realize that like this video of a seven
Speaker 3: hundred pound guy like rescuing a puppy while skydiving or
Speaker 3: something is AI. You know, the entire Twitter experience at
Speaker 3: this point is owned by x AI, and like the
Speaker 3: algorithm and the analytics and all that type of stuff
Speaker 3: is very heavily involved with the use of grock and
Speaker 3: so well, obviously it just kind of looks like a
Speaker 3: random and generic Jason output. It's probably like directionally true
Speaker 3: that some of the some of the algorithm is running
Speaker 3: off of you know, old school like like earlier AI
Speaker 3: ADL you know style guardrails, and so even if it's
Speaker 3: not specifically true, I do think it's probably directionally true
Speaker 3: that many of us are still kind of rate limited
Speaker 3: by the AI.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it was. It was interesting as well to
Speaker 4: see the map of both the tags, right, like what
Speaker 4: you were associated with, yeah, but also what your what
Speaker 4: your crimes were, right, So in my case it's all association.
Speaker 4: You know, It's like I don't actually say anything, so
Speaker 4: there's nothing to be to be garnered there. But you
Speaker 4: look at that and you're like, all right, okay, so
Speaker 4: that's the that's the standard against which you're judged. But anyway,
Speaker 4: we're not just here to complain about social media. We're
Speaker 4: here to read an article actually that I believe my
Speaker 4: wife found first. And this this is a very funny article.
Speaker 4: It's easy to forget that Stubzac despite being a free
Speaker 4: speech site, is primarily made up of the most irritating
Speaker 4: progressives in the world. You just never see them, and
Speaker 4: so I don't really know anything about this guy John
Speaker 4: Fugel Sang, although he seems to be writing quite a
Speaker 4: lot about the separation of Church and state. Right, he
Speaker 4: wrote this book, the Separation of Church and Hate, which
Speaker 4: is you know, brother, come on, yeah. So he starts
Speaker 4: off with two quotes, you know, one one from the
Speaker 4: Gospels and another one from George Washington. Late you could
Speaker 4: could you read the attribution to George Washington.
Speaker 3: That's good, George Washington, Kamma, who owned people?
Speaker 4: But I mean, sure, dude, whatever. The big picture on
Speaker 4: this is that you already know what this guy's saying, right.
Speaker 4: He's going after you know, vaguely defined you know, Christian nationalists,
Speaker 4: whatever that means, throwing in things that don't necessarily make sense.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of the general pastiche of the right.
Speaker 4: But it is pretty funny, right, It's like read at
Speaker 4: Atheism in the Ear of Our Lord twenty twenty six. Addition,
Speaker 4: we're staying on brand because a large portion of this
Speaker 4: is airing his family's dirty laundry perfect where we get
Speaker 4: into both Catholic racial politics, which I don't tend to understand,
Speaker 4: and also making fun of h Italian New Yorkers, which
Speaker 4: you know is pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I'm always down for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. By the way, just to just to tease it, man,
Speaker 4: it's any directions you're you're probably not expecting, right, so
Speaker 4: he starts off. I like to begin and end these
Speaker 4: comments on Christian prejudice by telling you a bit about
Speaker 4: my paternal grandfather. Grandfather was a guy named Leonard sometimes
Speaker 4: went by Lenny, a real old school Brooklyn guy with
Speaker 4: an accent you know you hear nowadays only in old movies.
Speaker 4: He said things like cockroach and pronounced Broadway broad Way.
Speaker 4: He was a house painter who painted the homes of
Speaker 4: several famous people. Later, as my grandmother's health declined, my
Speaker 4: grandparents moved in near to US Long Island and became
Speaker 4: regular parts of our lives. Leonard was kind and warm,
Speaker 4: and he dutally cared for my grandmother. He was also
Speaker 4: a prejudiced, working class white guy from Brooklyn and bigoted
Speaker 4: against many type of people. It was from him that
Speaker 4: I learned uh and I'll let you read this lee
Speaker 4: as a resident met that's good.
Speaker 3: There's three things here. The Blacks cause all the crime.
Speaker 3: They quoting the article here, of course, did Jews kill
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ? And depotter Rickens take all the jobs.
Speaker 4: So we're starting off here through three.
Speaker 3: Like okay, before we go any further at best, we're
Speaker 3: looking at two out of three here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like one of these is I mean, that's pretty insutable.
Speaker 4: It's cut off to you wish one, but like we're ready.
Speaker 4: We ran the data on this, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 4: the Romans idea. So yeah, he keeps going on. Uh boy,
Speaker 4: just kind of thither. But he was also a devout
Speaker 4: Catholic who never missed Mass. But even at my church,
Speaker 4: my grandfather found ways to discriminate. He would receive communion
Speaker 4: wafers only from an actual priest and staunchly refused to
Speaker 4: take bread and wine from any plain clothes eucharistic ministers,
Speaker 4: including my dad if he were in line for communion,
Speaker 4: and Grandpa would see a civilian not a priest, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, the phrasing on that's very odd. Dispensing
Speaker 4: the host of his line, he'd abruptly switch lines to
Speaker 4: make sure he received from the real deal. I only
Speaker 4: take the Holy Eucharist from a Catholic priest, he'd tell me.
Speaker 4: Uh again, which is just like this is his own grandfather.
Speaker 4: I swear in my memory he called it the Holy Uterus. Uh,
Speaker 4: it's just rude to a dead guy who you're related to.
Speaker 4: But I actually don't understand. Uh, the the intricacies of
Speaker 4: that is that some sort of controversy, right, who you
Speaker 4: receive communian from?
Speaker 3: I am I'm not a Catholic, uh like despite no,
Speaker 3: just despite my Mediterranean roots.
Speaker 4: That's going to be awkward. Yeah, podcast, I really based
Speaker 4: this on assuming that you were Catholic and from New York,
Speaker 4: because you said once you were kind of Italian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I am a I am a Protestant, so.
Speaker 4: Much like much like this masterpart, his grandfather just making
Speaker 4: rod racial categorizations. Yeah, that's the fourth one, the blacks
Speaker 4: cause all the crime, all the Catholics are at Italian.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, but I don't understand why this
Speaker 3: guy would take issue with what his grandfather is doing here,
Speaker 3: Like I don't, like, you know, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: do not take communion from a pastor like only But
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem crazy to me for a Catholic guide
Speaker 3: to you know, expect that I don't know.
Speaker 4: It seems like a relatively reasonable thing. It also seems
Speaker 4: unrelated to SBC. Here a photo of Jesus Saves with
Speaker 4: the entire KKKA in front of it. Who you know,
Speaker 4: look like, I don't pretend to be a historian in
Speaker 4: the organization. But they didn't like Catholics. That's sort of
Speaker 4: part of their thing. Yeah, this is sort of a
Speaker 4: broad pastiche of everyone I don't like is exactly the same,
Speaker 4: and they're all retarded, which love Like, is this sort
Speaker 4: of analysis that I'm a big fan of when it's
Speaker 4: me doing it? Yeah, but uh from a failed serious
Speaker 4: XM radio host, it's somewhat hard to take the take
Speaker 4: the criticism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is uh okay. I like the idea
Speaker 3: that white supremacy exists on a spectrum, that's a historical
Speaker 3: that's an interesting, you know, interesting thing to say. I
Speaker 3: guess that. I mean, it's fucking stupid.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so a lot of this is just kind
Speaker 4: of general bloviating. Right, he's not a very good writer,
Speaker 4: for instance, like he's which is a minor thing, but
Speaker 4: like you actually see it here, right, both starting two
Speaker 4: paragraphs in sequence with the same word, and also starting
Speaker 4: things constantly with butt or and the M dash by
Speaker 4: the way video viewers may have picked this out, really
Speaker 4: leads me to believe that he used to a I
Speaker 4: to help him write this, because no human being uses
Speaker 4: that many M dashes.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, and this does seem like kind of dog
Speaker 3: shit writing. When the first thing that you highlighted where
Speaker 3: it said that his grandfather's name was Leonard and he
Speaker 3: also sometimes went by Lenny, it's like, yeah, man, did
Speaker 3: you need to add that on?
Speaker 4: Like this is sort of self explanatory, right, Like you.
Speaker 3: Couldn't notice you couldn't have referred to him as Lenny
Speaker 3: later in the paragraph and.
Speaker 4: Just we could fill it in. Yeah. Yeah, his Christian
Speaker 4: name was Michael, but everyone knew him as Yeah.
Speaker 3: His friends called him like okay, thanks man. This is
Speaker 3: you know, powerful writing, you know.
Speaker 4: So he goes through this kind of you know, uh,
Speaker 4: vague history of quote unquote white supremacy which is attached
Speaker 4: to Christianity. He never actually proves this right. He talks about,
Speaker 4: you know, how how white supremacist violence is tied to
Speaker 4: those who quote serve Christian values. He talks about the
Speaker 4: Sixteenth Street Baptist Church bombing, the Charleston Church massacre, and
Speaker 4: the Unite the Right rally, which, like, I mean, look,
Speaker 4: I don't pretend to be the biggest Dylan Roof fan,
Speaker 4: but like you know, that seems to be a certainly
Speaker 4: a one sided reading, right of his motivations. But there's
Speaker 4: there's other just very stupid poor writing mistakes, like this
Speaker 4: section where he says, but all forms of white supremacy
Speaker 4: m dash the belief in the superiority of white people
Speaker 4: over others.
Speaker 3: Like oh, thanks, yeah, yeah, I was wondering if you
Speaker 3: know where that was going to come in. That's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's very good.
Speaker 4: So and this is a really interest point, right because
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen the memely right that it's not happening.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's happening. It is happening. It's actually a good
Speaker 4: thing for sure, right, because he talks a lot about
Speaker 4: the whole you will not replace us chant, right, the
Speaker 4: you know this thing that they said at Unite the Right,
Speaker 4: but also the big scary uh you know, replacement theory.
Speaker 4: You know, a great replacement if you will keep that
Speaker 4: in mind, because in the conclusion we see that exact
Speaker 4: same meme, right, come back around. So he goes through right,
Speaker 4: the the idea of you know, Africans being descended from him, right,
Speaker 4: and in fact he blames this for slavery. Right. He says,
Speaker 4: this is the whole reason people invented slaves because of
Speaker 4: the Bible. Uh. Lee, I don't assume that you're an
Speaker 4: expert on the subject of slavery, but can you think
Speaker 4: of any society that had slavery and didn't have the Bible? H?
Speaker 3: Well, uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one or two?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it seems uh, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: think it's Sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm.
Speaker 3: The thing of slavery like that for for listeners who
Speaker 3: are not seeing this, that this headline is in like
Speaker 3: a like a bold section heading, it says slavery comma
Speaker 3: with ham.
Speaker 4: Uh sorry, that's so.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just cycling through a rolex of like
Speaker 3: racial puns about food that black people like to eat.
Speaker 4: It rights itself at a certain point, you know, you're like,
Speaker 4: it's like if you're you're playing some sort of net sport, right,
Speaker 4: like a friend of the show car Camp, you know,
Speaker 4: he plays volleyball and it's just a lob right like
Speaker 4: right over there, and so you almost feel bad, right
Speaker 4: for just smashing a line drive or whatever, because it's
Speaker 4: too easy. You know, it's just right, it's it's a layup, right,
Speaker 4: You almost feel low for kind of stooping to that. Right, So,
Speaker 4: for instance, they go through this kind of very reddit point,
Speaker 4: like even in all caps the debunking where to begin.
Speaker 4: So they go through the kind of again very shall
Speaker 4: we say, inconsistent argument here. There's a very interesting point, right,
Speaker 4: because again you'll notice that the terms of who we
Speaker 4: don't like is constantly shifting. Right, we talked about Catholics
Speaker 4: at the beginning, we don't like them. They talked about
Speaker 4: the KKK. Okay, I guess those are the same thing.
Speaker 4: But and look, I don't want to insult any of
Speaker 4: my LDS viewers. There's a whole digression on Mormons, and
Speaker 4: at this point, right, these are like three completely differ
Speaker 4: emploints on the map. But this guy really doesn't like
Speaker 4: his grandpa and kind of just associates anyone he doesn't like,
Speaker 4: right with his grandpa seems to think, Yeah, it's very
Speaker 4: much the whole like Anarco fatherlessness to me, right, I
Speaker 4: don't think this guy's an anarchist, right, But it's the
Speaker 4: you know, leftist politics is just a rejection of first
Speaker 4: God then my dad. Right. So yeah, again going through
Speaker 4: the kind of you know, the history of like the
Speaker 4: LDS stuff, right where Mormons believe that the mark of
Speaker 4: Cain meant Black's skin. I don't pretend to know anything
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's also that's a common mistranslation the like
Speaker 3: I've looked into this, and the Greek like like the
Speaker 3: original Greek often gets curtailed at the end. They're talking
Speaker 3: about the mark of Caine's chicken, meaning if you go
Speaker 3: to a Cane's chick, it gets it gets truncated when
Speaker 3: you translate it to English. But in Greek it's it's
Speaker 3: very obvious.
Speaker 4: The guy who started that gas station chicken restaurant is like, guys,
Speaker 4: I've got a great idea that's been sitting here for
Speaker 4: thousands of years just on the ground. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: I'm not too proud to admit it's sometimes gas station
Speaker 4: fried Chicken's pretty great, like you know what, like sometimes
Speaker 4: it hits the spot. It's it's not it's not high culture. Uh,
Speaker 4: but I would feel a little bit uncomfortable, you know,
Speaker 4: bringing that into a scholarly discussion on why my dad
Speaker 4: or why my grandpa sucks and I'm glad he died.
Speaker 4: You know, I think that it's perhaps best to leave
Speaker 4: that out. But you know what, this man swinging for
Speaker 4: the fences on his retarded Italian Catholic debt grandfather.
Speaker 3: Well, that's really what this is, is that it's just
Speaker 3: it is swinging for the fences. And just like I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't, I don't know who this
Speaker 3: person is. But this is bad writing, and it's a
Speaker 3: retarded premise, and it doesn't really seem to have anything
Speaker 3: to do with anything. This is basically like a cover
Speaker 3: letter for him trying to get hired at some type
Speaker 3: of think tank or something like that. Like this is
Speaker 3: this is basically just him accepting, in so many words, accepting,
Speaker 3: you know, the invite to to Shabbat dinner at the
Speaker 3: Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 4: And really the reason I've been skipping over most of
Speaker 4: this is that, genuinely most of this is just flawed,
Speaker 4: doesn't actually need to be there. It's just kind of a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is all I mean, what what
Speaker 3: are we what do we got here? A core element
Speaker 3: of Christian nationalism?
Speaker 4: Oh, this is the meat of it, right, This is
Speaker 4: this is the meat. This is getting to the it
Speaker 4: is happening, and it's actually a good thing. Right. The
Speaker 4: thing that I told you to stop being worried, to
Speaker 4: stop worrying about is actually awesome. I like it, and
Speaker 4: you should just die. This is basically the conclusion all
Speaker 4: of this other stuff is just him chronicling people he
Speaker 4: doesn't like who have said things that don't align with
Speaker 4: kind of modern progressive sensibilities and painting them all. Whether
Speaker 4: you know eighty five IQ Catholic house painters from Brooklyn
Speaker 4: that the Klan, Dylan Rufe, Jerry Folwell or Mormons as
Speaker 4: the same thing. Right, this is really just just guilt
Speaker 4: by association, right, just kind of tarring and feathering people
Speaker 4: by bringing up the sort of figures that are unpopular
Speaker 4: with the dozens of people who read this. Right and again,
Speaker 4: this term Christian nationalism again, it is sort of an
Speaker 4: empty signifier. Right. It basically just means everyone I don't like,
Speaker 4: so going into this and this I will well read
Speaker 4: a little bit more. Right. A core element of Christian
Speaker 4: nationalism is the myth that America was founded as a
Speaker 4: deeply Christian nation. And yeah, we may have dabbled in
Speaker 4: a little ethnic cleansing, some random occasional slavery, and some
Speaker 4: barely their segregation, but that doesn't matter in our golden
Speaker 4: imagined past. So look like everything after the yeah is
Speaker 4: one very painful millennial writing two. Sorry, America was founded
Speaker 4: as a deeply Christian nation, like the whole, like Christian nationalism,
Speaker 4: religion isn't really might be, but like it was illegal
Speaker 4: to commit blasphemy right like this this is not some
Speaker 4: like myth.
Speaker 3: Right if someone like anytime someone tells you that America
Speaker 3: you know, does not like was not a Christian nation
Speaker 3: or was not founded with like that in mind, or
Speaker 3: that this was not the prevailing sentiment of the era,
Speaker 3: or any anytime someone is saying that, I mean, you
Speaker 3: can pretty much just write off everything that they're saying
Speaker 3: because it's just not true. It's just like okay, like
Speaker 3: you're you're setting this up like you were trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, work a premise here that is you know,
Speaker 3: not historically correct, because like you're trying to launder this.
Speaker 3: You you presume that no matter what you say, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm going to support George Washington. And therefore, if you
Speaker 3: make it sound like George Washington was actually George Floyd.
Speaker 3: I will suddenly start liking George Floyd. This this is
Speaker 3: the same thing that people do. They do this for,
Speaker 3: like the free market. Any anytime you get some like
Speaker 3: homosexual at the Cato Institute telling you that, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: actually Ben Franklin would want this chicken factory that employs
Speaker 3: your entire family to be shut down and reopened under
Speaker 3: Indian management with Haitian migrants. Uh don't don't you believe
Speaker 3: in the free market? Like this is this has been
Speaker 3: Shapiro telling you that, well, maybe you need to move
Speaker 3: out of your hometowns and accept that there's no economic
Speaker 3: opportunity because you're you know, you have been replaced by foreigners.
Speaker 3: Like it's like, okay, man, like just shut up. Like
Speaker 3: what you are doing is lying when you say that
Speaker 3: America was you know, not a Christian nation at its founding,
Speaker 3: and that the the you know, the the founders and
Speaker 3: the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence and right
Speaker 3: you know, the Constitution and all this stuff there. Really
Speaker 3: it was more of a you know, more of a
Speaker 3: loose conglomeration of you know, intellectual dark Web guys who
Speaker 3: just really really liked having libertarian debate. It's like, no,
Speaker 3: you should delete your account if that's like, like, if
Speaker 3: that's what you really think, Like if you think that earnestly,
Speaker 3: you're retarded, and so I don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 3: And if you're expecting me to think that earnestly or
Speaker 3: asking me to come around on that, then you're a
Speaker 3: snake and I don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 4: Well and again, right, you see this sort of facade
Speaker 4: of dialogue, right, this idea that this is some sort
Speaker 4: of genuine conversation. We're bringing some semblance of argument to
Speaker 4: the debate. It's not. He just hates you when he
Speaker 4: wants you to go away. That's really what it comes
Speaker 4: down to, Like all of this other stuff. The reason
Speaker 4: I skipped over it is because it doesn't matter. He's
Speaker 4: just throwing out random fact whips. They're unrelated to the
Speaker 4: actual meat of his article. I guess it is like
Speaker 4: what you used to do in school, right, where like,
Speaker 4: oh shoot, I have to write an eight page paper,
Speaker 4: so let's just like rephrase Wikipedia for six of them,
Speaker 4: you know, and then just like do something at the end,
Speaker 4: and what's the especially interesting And this will come up
Speaker 4: in a little bit is the inability of the left
Speaker 4: wing mind to realize they are in charge or they
Speaker 4: are in the ascendant in every way. Right, they constantly
Speaker 4: have to cast themselves as the victims. Right, even when
Speaker 4: this article phrased in kind of like, you know, disruptive
Speaker 4: or rebellious tone is quite literally something you could have
Speaker 4: written forty years ago and effectively receive no pushback for.
Speaker 4: This is the posturing as brave while repeating the same
Speaker 4: values of literally any institution in the country. Yeah, you know, which,
Speaker 4: honestly might be the thing I find most irritating about progressives. Right,
Speaker 4: They're getting to sort of burn the candle at both ends,
Speaker 4: right of getting pretend to play as a radical while
Speaker 4: having the same politics as vanguard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: So carrying on. I hope I'm not spoiling anything here,
Speaker 4: But most Christians racists don't think their views are problematic, Lee,
Speaker 4: do you feel that your views are problematic? I do not.
Speaker 4: I that this guy's right so well.
Speaker 3: But again, in this in the same way that like, uh,
Speaker 3: in the same way that someone might say, you know,
Speaker 3: my grandfather the name was Leonard, but sometimes he went
Speaker 3: by Lenny, they also say, well, you're not gonna believe this,
Speaker 3: But the people who believe something else think it's okay
Speaker 3: to believe that.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, no, shit, man, yeah exactly if they
Speaker 4: if they thought they were wrong, they'd be on your side, right.
Speaker 3: Of course, right, you know, it's like, yeah, man, you're
Speaker 3: not gonna believe it. But the people who fill trash
Speaker 3: bags with cosmetics and CBS and go walking out in
Speaker 3: the middle of the day wearing a ski mask also
Speaker 3: think it's fine to do that. Like this, Like come on, bro,
Speaker 3: like this isn't like this isn't even making a point
Speaker 3: about anything, like.
Speaker 4: The idea of a deeply morally conflicted just like the shoplifter, right,
Speaker 4: like the guy who's just compelled by some foresigre than
Speaker 4: his own to steal to steal baby formula and sell
Speaker 4: it on the black market, not even prophentanyl or anything, right,
Speaker 4: just anyway, Uh, they'll tell you that white Christians built
Speaker 4: the US on their own and that anyone who uses
Speaker 4: woke race baiting terms like slavery, genocide, or systemic probably
Speaker 4: hates white people and that's why we need prayer in schools.
Speaker 4: I mean, they will tell you that are they wrong
Speaker 4: claims here?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah. That's the other thing is that every everything,
Speaker 3: you know, you see the Liberals go up and they say, well,
Speaker 3: the trouble is like now there are there are so
Speaker 3: many bizarre, like one off ethnicities that are here that
Speaker 3: you have Democrats who will just go up at a
Speaker 3: podium and be like, uh, actually, mean tribe of southeastern
Speaker 3: into China was fundamental in the construction of the United
Speaker 3: States because it's like it's like forty percent of their
Speaker 3: district's voting block. So you have all these like really
Speaker 3: really bizarre star wars like factions, and they all have
Speaker 3: to be told that they were like very fundamental in
Speaker 3: the building of like New York or something.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and clearly like it it's not true, and
Speaker 4: look like the people saying that, no, it's not true.
Speaker 4: But it's become sort of an element of like religious faith,
Speaker 4: right to pair at that point. And look, I don't
Speaker 4: want to sound too tinfoil hat, but I think a
Speaker 4: large part of the desire to erase the nation as
Speaker 4: it was right rather that be you know kind of
Speaker 4: like public monuments or statues or media even right like
Speaker 4: look at new BBC period pieces, is the desire to
Speaker 4: deny that things have ever been different, right, that this
Speaker 4: has always been the eternal state. We've always been this
Speaker 4: like kind of multicultural nation of strangers. And I don't
Speaker 4: think that's that's fully like rationalized. I don't think people
Speaker 4: are waking up in the morning and saying this is
Speaker 4: why we're doing it. But I do think that's a
Speaker 4: part of it, right, because it's plainly not true. And
Speaker 4: when one of the core planks of your religion, your platform,
Speaker 4: is very clearly connected to nothing, that's an uncomfortable position.
Speaker 4: Hence the kind of ironically enough right revisionist history. So
Speaker 4: this is the part that I think is particularly interesting
Speaker 4: because if you remember, right, we were sured earlier that
Speaker 4: this whole idea of replacement is horrible. Right, it's not
Speaker 4: true the next two paragraphs. Then I'll throw a keketule
Speaker 4: for all of our lives and our parents and grandparents.
Speaker 4: White Christians have dominated society an influence in the US.
Speaker 4: In the nineteen seventies and eighties, white Christians, including both
Speaker 4: Protestants and Catholics, made up a majority of the population,
Speaker 4: counting for nearly two thirds of Americans, but by the
Speaker 4: early twenty twenties this figure has dropped to about forty percent.
Speaker 4: White Evangelical Protestants, a significant subgroup, have also experienced decline,
Speaker 4: shrinking to roughly fourteen percent of the population as of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Huh, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: That is interesting because you may remember, like ten minutes
Speaker 4: ago when we assured that that is not the case.
Speaker 4: Not only is that not the case, but do you remember, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, a paragraph ago when it was really
Speaker 4: stupid to think that white Christian people played a major
Speaker 4: role in the country where they were the majority and
Speaker 4: controlled all the power and right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: It's not like it's not like you have to be
Speaker 4: a big, you know, a grand kind of scholarly mind
Speaker 4: to remember what you read in literally the last paragraph. Right, So.
Speaker 3: Those are good points. I do want to go back, though,
Speaker 3: So just to be clear, Lenny can be short for Leonard,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: What, and Lee, I got another one right in addition
Speaker 4: to your your we'll call it the Leonard hypothesis. I'm
Speaker 4: not entirely sure how it matches up with reality, but uh,
Speaker 4: how do you what do you think if you asked
Speaker 4: someone who disagreed with you, if they disagreed with you,
Speaker 4: do you think they would say, yes? Or now.
Speaker 3: Mmm, it's tough to say. I feel like they would
Speaker 3: be inclined to agree with their own stated beliefs, but
Speaker 3: I could be wrong on that. Now.
Speaker 4: Now, the third kind of open ended question I feel
Speaker 4: like we really need to hammer down is, uh, why
Speaker 4: why did the first murderer in history, right, a man
Speaker 4: who killed his own brother out of jealousy for a
Speaker 4: sacrifice to God, start a ghetto chicken place? Yes, well,
Speaker 4: it's just an idea to kill again, but by the
Speaker 4: tens of thousands of dudas, emphysema, and obesity.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's another one. I'm sure is every George connected,
Speaker 4: George Washington, George Floyd, there's just one eternal George, likeeling
Speaker 4: through different bodies.
Speaker 3: Right right, exactly, Yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Eternal George. Today, a large segment of the Republican Party
Speaker 4: base believe whites are the true victims of racism and
Speaker 4: Christians are under attack, which makes a lot of sense
Speaker 4: when you consider that the most popular religion has always
Speaker 4: been Christianity, Whites are still the largest racial group, and
Speaker 4: white Christians still dominate elected office at all levels, as
Speaker 4: well as the judiciary, Corporate America, land ownership, media, control
Speaker 4: and Renaissance fairs. So uh, minus that last one, Lee,
Speaker 4: This sounds like something that our guys could have written
Speaker 4: about an alternative group. Yeah, and that leads me to
Speaker 4: another question. Does Benjamin Netanyaho control the ren fair market? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think you know, I don't want to ruin anyone's
Speaker 3: good good good time next time you go to medieval times.
Speaker 3: But then the games are rigged. This is you know this,
Speaker 3: It's determined in advance who's going to win the jousting.
Speaker 4: And look all I'm saying, man, it's always a turkey leg,
Speaker 4: It's never a ham. No, you're wondering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it makes you think, well, this is also
Speaker 3: I liked that this paragraph is directly after the paragraph, Yes,
Speaker 3: directly after, Like, it is one centimeter further down the
Speaker 3: screen from the paragraph that says that you know, whites
Speaker 3: have experienced a catastrophic decline in influence and population.
Speaker 4: Right after also claiming that they never had that power
Speaker 4: to begin with. Right, So, according to this man, what
Speaker 4: happened is there was a majority population. Uh, they got
Speaker 4: all their stuff from slaves, right because of alternately the
Speaker 4: mark of Cain or one of Noah's sons indeterminate we'll
Speaker 4: figure that out later. They were in charge of the
Speaker 4: country at the same time as they were declining, and
Speaker 4: now when they've declined, they're still over represented, but they
Speaker 4: weren't in power before when they were the majority.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a non interesting position for this.
Speaker 4: Guy to be again, because it's not a real position, Lee.
Speaker 4: He just hates these people and wants them to die.
Speaker 4: All of the other stuff is indeterminate to that end.
Speaker 3: Goal. Well, it's also is not lost on me. This
Speaker 3: guy is clearly much dumber than his grandfather, who actually
Speaker 3: sounded like he had a lot of shit figured out.
Speaker 4: He had at least three solid points. I don't know
Speaker 4: anything else about the rest of him, but he had
Speaker 4: three solid points. Yeah, and it, shall we say, a
Speaker 4: somewhat baffling view onlic Catholic doctrine. I was really just
Speaker 4: I thought, by virtue of being Italian, you'd be able
Speaker 4: to clear that up. You know what. We'll table that
Speaker 4: for a later discussion and say he might have had
Speaker 4: up to four things, right, we got at least three.
Speaker 4: The creeping panic of expecting no longer to be the
Speaker 4: majority has led some of our friends and neighbors to
Speaker 4: see Christian nationalism is the only way to get a
Speaker 4: lost nation back on track. It's all about power and domination.
Speaker 4: The movement is growing. It doesn't have to be huge
Speaker 4: to be dangerous. Quite a few of these racists are
Speaker 4: armed delusional and the process of completely freaking out armed
Speaker 4: delusional and then the process of freaking out would be
Speaker 4: a great T shirt. And Lee, you have a firearms blog.
Speaker 4: Have you considered armed delusional and freaking out as maybe
Speaker 4: a tagline for your blog?
Speaker 3: I should look into that. Eh, that's that'd be good.
Speaker 4: All right. So here's another one, right, because he cites
Speaker 4: this woman a laithe in the Butler Sorry, I was
Speaker 4: not a name. I was expecting to end that way.
Speaker 4: So this is her argument, right, because of racism, evangelical
Speaker 4: decency was lost and evangelical's resentment grew. That makes no
Speaker 4: sense because of racism. Their resentment grew because they were racist.
Speaker 4: If that were the case, why weren't there Christian nationalists when,
Speaker 4: as you said earlier, I didn't read this, but he
Speaker 4: referred to the years after the Civil War as American apartheid. Right,
Speaker 4: So assuming that there's a one to one correlation, as
Speaker 4: miss Butler has informed us, between racism and evangelical resentment.
Speaker 4: You would assume, right, that would be a high water mark,
Speaker 4: right when there.
Speaker 3: Were one would think, yeah, apparently not.
Speaker 4: Also, again, we're playing fast and loose because we were
Speaker 4: criticizing Catholics before, not evangelicals. The KKK existed before the
Speaker 4: term evangelical meant anything, right, and also the LDS, which,
Speaker 4: like we could make a cultural argument that they're kind
Speaker 4: of similar. But like, again, this is just people I
Speaker 4: don't like, So go back and forth. Right, this is
Speaker 4: this woman, this expert, the woman who wrote White Evangelical
Speaker 4: Racism The Politics of Morality in America too many.
Speaker 3: Words, I hate, I hate it. Interrupt you. You didn't
Speaker 3: happen to look up a picture of Anthea Butler before
Speaker 3: we started recording, did he?
Speaker 4: Uh so, what do you think her tagle is on Wikipedia?
Speaker 3: Let's see, by.
Speaker 4: The way, you're right, you're entirely right. You already know
Speaker 4: she looks like WHOOPI Goldberg.
Speaker 3: She does this.
Speaker 4: It's like, that's not even me being rude.
Speaker 3: Actually, really, this is a Sister Act situation.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's the origin for this whole thing. The basis
Speaker 4: of Sister Act. Never saw I'm the dastardly white Christians
Speaker 4: that control the media kept her out of her royalties.
Speaker 4: So now she's just.
Speaker 3: Every every picture that I've seen, and I would encourage
Speaker 3: the listener. Uh and I mean this with all all due.
Speaker 4: Respect, dude, have you seen the white hair?
Speaker 3: All due respects to Curtis Jarvin, but if you picture
Speaker 3: Curtis Jarvin as a black woman.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what it looks like. The jacket.
Speaker 3: This is this is a form of in our ex.
Speaker 4: We never asked what it stood for.
Speaker 3: She's right, she's not a monarchist. She is a moniquist.
Speaker 4: Quite literally. We WI was.
Speaker 3: Like, this looks like someone that the GOP would run
Speaker 3: for governor of in a state like Virginia.
Speaker 4: Say, this is just one some EARLD series with a
Speaker 4: slightly worse air dresser. The outfit's the same, although although look,
Speaker 4: I'll pull this one up. Uh see if I can
Speaker 4: figure out how to use this stupid this is a
Speaker 4: whole like, look, I'm supposed to be an audio podcast primarily,
Speaker 4: but half of these are just me pulling things up
Speaker 4: and you guys not being able to hear. But you're
Speaker 4: really really missing out on this line. If you notice,
Speaker 4: she's even got kind of a a Thomas Turpule seven.
Speaker 4: Look going on in this leather rack. Great hair, It's
Speaker 4: pretty close.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I did not look roughly, but I knew you can tell,
Speaker 4: you can tell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean she definitely looks like as the
Speaker 3: Curse of ham.
Speaker 4: Caine's Chicken the Mark of the Beast. The beast is
Speaker 4: a chicken, I asked her. Is there a way to
Speaker 4: fix the movement, she replied, Evangelicals will have to become
Speaker 4: more accepting of others, willing to let go of racism
Speaker 4: and actually pay attention to the red letter words of Jesus.
Speaker 4: Right now, I don't think there is a way to
Speaker 4: fix the movement unless it has a crushing, decisive defeat
Speaker 4: at its quest to make America theocracy. And that's it.
Speaker 4: That's the whole thing. Right, you need to be destroyed.
Speaker 4: We keep going after this right. But we're this is
Speaker 4: the author's words again, we're presently witnessing the US white
Speaker 4: supremacists finally realizing they're about to become a minority. They're
Speaker 4: not going to go gracefully goes through demographics. So if
Speaker 4: you're a Christian who's afraid of one day becoming a minority,
Speaker 4: this might be a perfect time to be more Christian minorities.
Speaker 4: So again, right, it's not happening. Actually it's a good thing.
Speaker 4: You will be crushed right, like a full supervillain monologue there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what happened to Lenny? I see this?
Speaker 4: It's Lenny comes back, and despite introducing him his Leonard,
Speaker 4: he's never referred to as Leonard for the rest of
Speaker 4: this article, making that detail completely completely superfluous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I see, I mean this is uh wow,
Speaker 3: how long is this article?
Speaker 4: We're almost done? Fulle okay, how many words.
Speaker 3: Can you write about this? I mean this is insane?
Speaker 4: How many words can he write? Very few? How many
Speaker 4: words can claude? And then heavy quotes from African Thomas
Speaker 4: seven seven to seven at least forty two men of
Speaker 4: uh materials or.
Speaker 3: It's Clarence Thomas seven seven.
Speaker 4: We found him. We thought it wasn't at it, but
Speaker 4: it's actually real. Have you seen by the way it's
Speaker 4: been going It's been going around again the word counts
Speaker 4: of Supreme Court justices. Yeah, yeah, it's Katachi Brown's hit
Speaker 4: like twelve k and Clarence Thomas had barely brokendred.
Speaker 3: That's fucking nuts, dude.
Speaker 4: Look, man, you just you just know, George Washington, who
Speaker 4: owned people, would have become king if you knew, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like who who? This is the I'm always amazed when
Speaker 3: whenever people criticize, you know, George Washington or whoever, they're like, well,
Speaker 3: you know he owned people. It's like, okay, yeah, like
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with the concept of slavery, Like, I understand,
Speaker 3: what do you expect me to do with this information?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, why would I fucking hear?
Speaker 3: I haven't had anyone present a compelling reason why I
Speaker 3: should care?
Speaker 4: Well, exactly right, because look like there are many people
Speaker 4: I'm casting back in time further than George Washington who
Speaker 4: did things that in a current context would be considered
Speaker 4: slightly slightly rude. Right. Julius Caesar killed forty percent of
Speaker 4: the population of France, for instance, and sold them all
Speaker 4: into slavery. Uh, you know, which is considered somewhat of
Speaker 4: a diplomatic faux pas in the current moment. We can discuss,
Speaker 4: you know, do the French deserve it a discussion for
Speaker 4: another day, yes, But the lens through which you view
Speaker 4: a man like that is what he did, right, And
Speaker 4: obviously the Gallic wars or you know, a face if that.
Speaker 4: But you're like, oh, yeah, that's the guy who you
Speaker 4: know kicked off the Roman Empire. That's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 4: And you know the other stuff is just sort of
Speaker 4: biographical detail. But look like this is a profoundly broken
Speaker 4: way to view history. You know, it's it's the kind
Speaker 4: of you know, joke about like what was Genghis con
Speaker 4: bean to his mom. It's like, well, okay, yeah, maybe,
Speaker 4: but like that's not why he's a relevant figure to discuss.
Speaker 4: And again, George Washington has never mentioned except for you know,
Speaker 4: a way for him to slide that in right, be like,
Speaker 4: oh that guy, you like, I hate him. He's stupid.
Speaker 4: He's like my dead retarded grandpa.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know he owned people, Like okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, Like even something tells me that
Speaker 3: if George Washington did not own people, you still wouldn't
Speaker 3: like the guy. I just have a hunch that, you know,
Speaker 3: no matter what, there's not really a world where you
Speaker 3: say anything positive about George Washington. And that is because,
Speaker 3: like this lady's entire career, miss Butler, not the author,
Speaker 3: is premised on you know, some type of word salad
Speaker 3: about we was kings. White people are bad. Yakub fucked
Speaker 3: up when he made him and his you know, laboratory
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, whatever it is that it gets believed, right,
Speaker 3: who cares? And this guy? What is this guy's deal
Speaker 3: with the author? What's his I think.
Speaker 4: His whole his whole beat seems to be like he
Speaker 4: was big, like fifteen years ago in the kind of
Speaker 4: like and T George Bush scene. Uh he has a
Speaker 4: radio show.
Speaker 3: What was his name again? It was like it was
Speaker 3: like a fake.
Speaker 4: Name, Fugal Sang.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's check that American actor.
Speaker 4: Dude, he looks like a he looks like a professional magician.
Speaker 3: Yeah he yeah, he does. Yeah, this is uh yeah. Television,
Speaker 3: Oh okay, he was in c s I and uh
Speaker 3: oh really oh yeah it said. He appeared on film, television,
Speaker 3: and stage, including CSI, Providence and Coyote Ugly. Uh so,
Speaker 3: pretty big deal there.
Speaker 4: Oh uh.
Speaker 3: He hosted America's Funniest Home Videos for a couple episodes.
Speaker 4: He also tours alongside Miller as a comedian and used
Speaker 4: as part of the Sexy Liberal comedy Show twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4: The tour was called Sexy Liberal Resistance Dore Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's pretty cool. Dude, that's pretty cool. They got a
Speaker 4: like tongue in cheek, like we're sexy liberals. Dude, cool,
Speaker 4: that's pretty cool we have that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really transgressive. This guy's I can tell he's
Speaker 3: a little bit of a rebel, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, no, he knows a lady with a
Speaker 4: leather jacket.
Speaker 3: Right, might have had too much to think, you know,
Speaker 3: graduated from Reddit University, that kind of thing. I mean this, like,
Speaker 3: what is going on? We really have to find a
Speaker 3: way to eliminating free speech and uh you know, perhaps
Speaker 3: internet access, like it really needs to be curtailed. Like
Speaker 3: I don't need a guy named Fugal saying uh, like
Speaker 3: really am really offering an opinion about anything, let alone
Speaker 3: talking shit about George Washington? Like, like, in what world
Speaker 3: would you listen to the guy who hosts America's Funniest
Speaker 3: Home Videos even pretend that he has some opinion about
Speaker 3: the character of George Washington.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, uh, Tom bergeront like he had the
Speaker 4: like the the son and rad on his chest, like
Speaker 4: every every time they have to edit out the last
Speaker 4: you know, fifteen seconds because he just beat You know,
Speaker 4: we must secure a future, that whole thing at the end,
Speaker 4: Tom Berger on it was actually the inspiration uh for
Speaker 4: American History acts and that one movie where Harry Potter
Speaker 4: says the N word.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 4: Maybe me either, And I really hope that the stay
Speaker 4: of Tom saw that's not so defaming a nearly deceased
Speaker 4: potentially commit potential saying potentially Canadian uh deceased comedian uh
Speaker 4: allegedly but uh no, you points dance right, And honestly,
Speaker 4: I think the funny thing would be like if this
Speaker 4: guy were or in like VC France or whatever, you know,
Speaker 4: he'd have the shiniest boots. He'd beat Goose steppin. Like.
Speaker 4: This guy doesn't think he reacts to power. He reacts
Speaker 4: to what society writ large hands down as like good
Speaker 4: boy points right, and this guy is going for all
Speaker 4: of them. He's a sexy liberal comedian. He's resisting. He
Speaker 4: hates those those Christian nationalists, which include Catholics, semi literate Yankees,
Speaker 4: hating house painters, the KKK and the LDS hates those guys.
Speaker 4: It literally is just that, right, it is that reaction
Speaker 4: to power, what is handed down. There's this idea and
Speaker 4: I think I'm stealing this from more goth or millennial woes.
Speaker 4: I can't remember, but one of them was years ago
Speaker 4: talking about the kind of acceptable targets, right, the people
Speaker 4: that you're allowed to really like dump vitriol on, so like,
Speaker 4: you know, twenty years ago, to be like scientologists. You know,
Speaker 4: South Park can make fun of scientologists forever and no
Speaker 4: one actually gets right, it's an approved target, if you will,
Speaker 4: and like for for lip tards, like any one of
Speaker 4: those groups, or the kind of like loosely constituted group
Speaker 4: of Christian nationalists, is exactly that you can dump the
Speaker 4: most insane vitriol, right, say, I want you replaced, I
Speaker 4: want you to be smashed and demolished, you know whatever
Speaker 4: his words was, And that's a good thing. I think
Speaker 4: that's what it is. Like this, this guy doesn't think
Speaker 4: you know, this clearly is not a well reasoned argument
Speaker 4: where he's like, you know, pulling together data points. It's
Speaker 4: just that a pure slavish devotion to power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you're right. Is this I'm not
Speaker 3: familiar with the preamble, is that his publication. Is he
Speaker 3: like a guest author.
Speaker 4: I think he's a guest I think that the preamble
Speaker 4: is in some way associated with NYT. I'm not entirely
Speaker 4: sure of what decree.
Speaker 3: Okay, So this guy, okay, so he's all he writes
Speaker 3: is this kind of stuff. He like, he mentioned the
Speaker 3: separation of church and hate, taking back the Bible from fundamentalists,
Speaker 3: fascist and flock fleecing frauds. So this is like an
Speaker 3: interesting phenomenon where like the word fundamentalist and to a
Speaker 3: lesser extent extremist ah has it's it's really great because
Speaker 3: liberals use it like like if you see, you know,
Speaker 3: you'll see like a Muslim guy blow himself off at
Speaker 3: like a you know, an orphanage or something, and the
Speaker 3: news will be like, oh, a Muslim extremist, Like no.
Speaker 4: No, that guy's providing a valuable service. So Braxton McCoy
Speaker 4: can sell three hundred books like that.
Speaker 3: That means a order three hundred books, get three hundred books.
Speaker 3: It's the best deal going folks. But but the they
Speaker 3: use the word like, you know, they'll say like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: Islam is actually really peaceful. It's just the it's the fundamentalists.
Speaker 3: It's the extremists that you got to look out for,
Speaker 3: because too liberals the idea of someone just believing something
Speaker 3: is like an extreme position because because like you mentioned,
Speaker 3: this guy, only he reacts to stuff. He just his
Speaker 3: entire presence is a reaction. He doesn't have any actual
Speaker 3: convictions of his own. And this is this is why
Speaker 3: the left is like a funny thing because you could, like,
Speaker 3: how many times have we seen left wing people get
Speaker 3: in trouble for things that they said ten years ago
Speaker 3: that were left wing ten years ago? Right, Like, like
Speaker 3: like you've seen comedians and commentators and things like that.
Speaker 3: You know, like at one point Barack Obama said that
Speaker 3: marriage is between a man and a woman, right, Or
Speaker 3: the Turkish guy from the Young Turks.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I would not trust Barak no particular distinction.
Speaker 3: No, no, not on that one, you know. But like
Speaker 3: the Turkish guy, the fat guy, you know, he got
Speaker 3: in trouble because he had a blog about saying that he,
Speaker 3: you know, if he went on a date with women,
Speaker 3: like he wanted to get laid and stuff.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 3: You know, you get people who have like progressive beliefs,
Speaker 3: they change every two or three years at like the
Speaker 3: fundamental level. Right, like abortion has gone from safe legal
Speaker 3: and rare as a talking point to being like, no,
Speaker 3: you should actually be able to kill the baby, like
Speaker 3: right when it comes out, just just because for whatever
Speaker 3: reason at any point, like like you to be able
Speaker 3: to have the baby and then kill it once it's
Speaker 3: out on the day of its birth, like that has
Speaker 3: become the the actual like progressive talking point, Like that's
Speaker 3: how they define abortion at this point. So their beliefs
Speaker 3: are constantly kind of iterating and iterating and getting a
Speaker 3: little worse and a little worse to the to the
Speaker 3: point now where you know, there's wrong about everything. Uh,
Speaker 3: And so the idea of believing something and then not
Speaker 3: changing that belief or not updating it or iterating it
Speaker 3: or modifying it in some way every few years until
Speaker 3: it eventually just becomes a parody of a parody of
Speaker 3: a parody. This is foreign to them. But like you know, uh,
Speaker 3: like this is this is why they hate religion too,
Speaker 3: because when they say like, oh wow, it's it's really dangerous,
Speaker 3: these these quote fundamentalists, what that means is basically a
Speaker 3: guy who reads the Bible and just go huh well,
Speaker 3: uh yeah, there it is, that's what I believe. That's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the you know, non errant word of God there.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm gonna go with. Uh. They can't
Speaker 3: fathom like actually believing something, the idea of just being like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, this is what the Bible says.
Speaker 3: It's right there. It's pretty pretty straightforward. They completely reject
Speaker 3: that style of thinking. And so the idea, it's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: that's not like an extremist believe. Like if if you
Speaker 3: look at like like progressive churches, you know, you get
Speaker 3: these churches with like like transgender lesbians giving communion to
Speaker 3: like Muslims who are trying to kill them that moment. Uh,
Speaker 3: and it's like yeah, man, I don't know. This is
Speaker 3: to me, this is all pretty clearly covered in like
Speaker 3: the pastoral epistles like it. You know, it says in
Speaker 3: Timothy that you shouldn't have this job. So you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't have like an academic uh
Speaker 3: you know, need to like justify or evolve that position
Speaker 3: or something. It's like it that's just what it says
Speaker 3: in the Bible. Man, I don't know, it's it's just
Speaker 3: right there. It says you should not have this job.
Speaker 3: And so uh, that's what I believe. And you know,
Speaker 3: and in that way, like my beliefs are the same,
Speaker 3: uh you know, by and large, uh probably less evolved
Speaker 3: and less eloquent and you know that type of thing then,
Speaker 3: but but in the same vein like like are largely
Speaker 3: similar to what you would see from like the Council
Speaker 3: of Nicy or something like that. And so it's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I actually don't have to change what I think every
Speaker 3: fucking two years based off of what Jimmy Kimmel says.
Speaker 3: You know, that's, uh, that's no problem. But to them
Speaker 3: that makes someone like me like an extremist, when in reality,
Speaker 3: it's like, what's what's extreme about that? It says it
Speaker 3: in the Bible, and so that's that's just what I
Speaker 3: what I you know, accept I don't know what to
Speaker 3: tell you like what you know. It's the same with
Speaker 3: the Muslim quote extremists. It's like, look, man, like the
Speaker 3: guys who are blowing themselves up at like the Christmas celebration,
Speaker 3: they're you know, like they those are earnestly held beliefs,
Speaker 3: Like you don't put on a suicide vest blow yourself
Speaker 3: up because you don't actually believe this stuff. But I
Speaker 3: don't think that makes you an extremist. I think it
Speaker 3: just makes you someone who actually believes something, and you
Speaker 3: have to. People have to believe things. Like you, you
Speaker 3: would not, you know, charge a machine gun nest you
Speaker 3: would not into something new you there would be no
Speaker 3: cause for optimism if someone did not earnestly believe things.
Speaker 3: And that's why liberals are inherently non productive people. That's
Speaker 3: why you have some guy named Fugel saying oscillating between
Speaker 3: hosting America's funniest home videos and fucking writing articles about
Speaker 3: you know, why George Washington fucking owned people. And Lenny
Speaker 3: is short for Leonard. And here's what a fat black
Speaker 3: lady says. She has a little bit of wordplay for
Speaker 3: you to get, you know, tripped up on if you're
Speaker 3: a fucking retarded gen X or something like, you know,
Speaker 3: none of this stuff bears out, like none of this
Speaker 3: stuff means anything. And these people like they're terrified that
Speaker 3: someone might actually believe something earnestly to the point where
Speaker 3: they would defend it. And to them, that's like, that's
Speaker 3: that's an unfathomable thing. Like this guy's beliefs will change
Speaker 3: if he is told that his beliefs need to change,
Speaker 3: and mind will not yours will not like the guys
Speaker 3: on like our side. It's like, yeah, man, like you
Speaker 3: know this stuff it's not like this is pretty straightforward,
Speaker 3: like these these beliefs that are more timeless. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not using I don't want to use the word
Speaker 3: conservative because that, you know, I don't think it applies,
Speaker 3: you know, in the way that people use it in
Speaker 3: like the contemporary context. But it's like, yeah, man, it's
Speaker 3: actually okay to believe stuff like I don't. Don't you know,
Speaker 3: some fucking homo writing a gay little blog article for
Speaker 3: a New York Times offshoot publication, uh is not actually
Speaker 3: going to get anyone to change their their core beliefs
Speaker 3: or how they view their relationship to their home bland
Speaker 3: or the Bible or God or their church or anything
Speaker 3: like that. And frankly, it's it's a fool's errand to
Speaker 3: write articles like that. This guy doesn't know that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure he probably got paid one hundred bucks by
Speaker 3: the New York Times. And that's a lot of money
Speaker 3: for a guy who you know, was in one episode
Speaker 3: of CSI or hosted several episodes of America's Funniest Home
Speaker 3: Video it's like, you know, I mean this guy, you know,
Speaker 3: I have this pulled up this guy. Most of the
Speaker 3: roles that this guy's been in, he doesn't there's not
Speaker 3: even a name. Like it's really good. Like in twenty
Speaker 3: eleven he was in a show called The Mom's View,
Speaker 3: which I don't know what that is. His role was
Speaker 3: quote feature guest and the notes are unknown episodes. So's
Speaker 3: it's like this guy has public facing work that isn't
Speaker 3: even cataloged. Like what this guy says means less than
Speaker 3: nothing because he's that corny and he doesn't actually believe anything.
Speaker 3: But men who do believe things in the past have
Speaker 3: done things like, uh, create countries, like you know, guys
Speaker 3: like George Washington have shaped history. Guys like Julius Caesar
Speaker 3: have shaped history because they believed things. And this guy
Speaker 3: is just writing a gay blog about why it's bad
Speaker 3: actually to believe things and expecting anyone, you know, to
Speaker 3: fucking care one little bit about what he says because
Speaker 3: he uses the uh kind of pithy millennial like, right,
Speaker 3: George Washington, he hacking owned people. Man, you know a
Speaker 3: little bit of a little bit of light ethnic cleansing.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, uh, yeah, man, there was I
Speaker 3: don't know, the country, the fucking whole continent was overrun
Speaker 3: with savages and so we had to had to put
Speaker 3: him down with guns so that we could build fucking
Speaker 3: a railroad. You want me to be sad about that? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, sorry, Bud, this as a fuck in way it.
Speaker 3: You know, why don't you focus on getting some fucking
Speaker 3: curly fries at Cane's Chicken? I mean, is this shit
Speaker 3: just pisses me off? Dude? This guy looking at this
Speaker 3: guy is pissing me off. I need to I got
Speaker 3: to close that tab because it's it's making me upside.
Speaker 4: Well, well, Lee, you're talking about all these you know,
Speaker 4: these these high minded ideals about you know, belief and
Speaker 4: something that you know carries more weight in your life
Speaker 4: than you know, your immediate social standing. But what if
Speaker 4: I told you that the guy arguing against you, who
Speaker 4: by you know, I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 4: but he would he doesn't think that he's wrong when
Speaker 4: he argues against you. But what if he was a
Speaker 4: self described fifty six year old sexy comedian. Would that
Speaker 4: would that shifted anything for you?
Speaker 3: I would have to reconsider my position if that were
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 4: See that's the that's the thing. I read through this
Speaker 4: and I was like, you know what, I'm not quite
Speaker 4: convinced that. I went to his Wikipedia and found out
Speaker 4: one turns out that's German name. Uh and two turns
Speaker 4: out that, you know, he's a much more serious person
Speaker 4: than i'd initially anticipated.
Speaker 3: Does he have does he have a song? Can you
Speaker 3: can you play YouTube song or something? Is there any
Speaker 3: is there any? Feugel saying, uh, let me.
Speaker 4: Look this up because I will one hundred percent play
Speaker 4: his You can get any it would be good hot clips. Oh,
Speaker 4: he's on the Daily Show. Okay, he was on Morning Joe. Oh,
Speaker 4: this is great. He did he did a skit all right. Uh.
Speaker 4: Now the thing is, I'm actually let me switch account
Speaker 4: so you can't see my full name. I show this.
Speaker 4: Uh oh he uses the red letter media music, which
Speaker 4: is very weird, like royalty free. Be sorry that.
Speaker 3: You've you've you loaded your your name docs YouTube account.
Speaker 3: And you know, it was like j Feugel saying, and
Speaker 3: this guy was your dad.
Speaker 4: That's the irony. Yeah, computers acknowledge this is the first one.
Speaker 4: This is his official YouTube channel. He has more YouTube
Speaker 4: subscribers than me. I hate him already. This is a
Speaker 4: very odd opening image. It's a giant what a giant
Speaker 4: float of Sonic the Hedgehog. So this this is cool.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll come on, come fuck with me.
Speaker 4: I want to talk. Can you hear any of this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, every year around this time, I always
Speaker 3: gotta try real hard to not smack upside the head
Speaker 3: all these hypocrites, snakes and vipers.
Speaker 4: So he comed us workers, yes, illegals. Oh, and then
Speaker 4: he goes straight to a Trump tweet from twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4: This came out two years ago. He's still seating, by
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 3: This guy's gotta be gone. Man, we gotta we gotta
Speaker 3: get this guy.
Speaker 4: This guy here, this is a serious man, dude. I
Speaker 4: mean she's see you don't get it. There's this is
Speaker 4: comedy goal because we have the the the contrast between
Speaker 4: him dresses Jesus with with a beard and everything. But
Speaker 4: he see he's snarky and he's progressive and he has
Speaker 4: he has a Starbucks on it, so he's cool. He's
Speaker 4: different and and look he brings in the ap act
Speaker 4: checking by uh sight huh uh anyway, right, fact checking.
Speaker 4: And look, he's just like he.
Speaker 3: Would end undocumented immigration tomorrow if they wanted by locking
Speaker 3: up the white people who do all the hiring.
Speaker 4: This is okay, did you hear that, lady, Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4: So we've come back to the same central point even
Speaker 4: two years ago in this very cool YouTube video that
Speaker 4: really the the real problem is his bracest grandpa, that
Speaker 4: he really hates this guy, this manpa. I know, it's weird.
Speaker 4: It's like every time I'm you know, of course calling
Speaker 4: his grandpa, uh, you know, retarded Italian, I'm paraphrasing him.
Speaker 4: These are the terms he uses to describe his own
Speaker 4: blood and again, man, like, look, you and I both
Speaker 4: have maybe said things on the internet that could be
Speaker 4: construed as hyperbolic or maybe a little inflammatory, but like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's just just not done.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, this is there is like a special type
Speaker 3: of I don't know, beating that is deserved by libs
Speaker 3: that just go on the internet to like shit talk
Speaker 3: their family.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's such a It's like who are you? Who
Speaker 3: are you even fucking doing this for? Like you you
Speaker 3: could have written this article like his grandfather, as far
Speaker 3: as I can tell, I mean, we didn't read the
Speaker 3: whole article. Maybe he tries to tie it toge there
Speaker 3: at the end or something, But as far as I
Speaker 3: can tell, his grandfather wasn't even really essential to the
Speaker 3: telling of the story. Oh of course, not like he
Speaker 3: just as easily skipped the whole thing and just said,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm this is a blog about whatever my
Speaker 3: concerns about Christian nationalism or something. He didn't even really uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I have to have to get out his
Speaker 3: little style guide and remember to put like, you know,
Speaker 3: a relatable anecdote or something at the at the introduction
Speaker 3: to his story, you know, or something like that. So
Speaker 3: that's just weird.
Speaker 4: But by the way, I'm going through his uh.
Speaker 3: That's when did he become feugal saying if his grandfather
Speaker 3: was Italian? Is this something where like his dad took
Speaker 3: his mom's name or something like that.
Speaker 4: I assume because in the article he describes his his
Speaker 4: dad as an anti racist before there was even a
Speaker 4: word for it, you know, quite positively.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's what happened.
Speaker 4: What Oh, yeah, so this is this is insightful comedy.
Speaker 4: Four years ago he uh, he did a similar skit
Speaker 4: as Jerry Folwell Junior. That's that's cool.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, But.
Speaker 4: He also has one where he dress ups up as
Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro. But yeah, is that it's pretty funny? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: I've not watched this video, but it is a video
Speaker 4: with two point eight hey views. That just says Jimmy
Speaker 4: Carter can stop Trump.
Speaker 3: That didn't age well, no, I wouldn't say is his
Speaker 3: is his Ben Shapiro impression on YouTube? Is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 4: Oh no, he just he just pitches up his voice.
Speaker 4: It's not funny, like there there's meat on that bone
Speaker 4: right there. There's similar to the other comments about uh,
Speaker 4: you know pork orcan's chicken, right, there's an easy joke
Speaker 4: to be made.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's talking about dressing up like Ben Shapiro. You know,
Speaker 3: there's some some legs on that one.
Speaker 4: He was missing the hat, which I know.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. So so he feels pretty freely about dressing
Speaker 3: up like Jesus Christ for a YouTube video, but he
Speaker 3: doesn't quite cross the whaling wall to put on the
Speaker 3: the hat. Some some you know, some lines you just
Speaker 3: don't cross. I guess.
Speaker 4: Here's a book out. He's promoting his book tour. That's
Speaker 4: it's pretty cool. Uh yeah, this guy's a loser man,
Speaker 4: are you Are you allowed to just give self described
Speaker 4: sexy comedians wedgies in public? Because I think that's what
Speaker 4: this world needs.
Speaker 3: Free men, don't ask permission, burden.
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