Speaker 1: Welcome to my world, bitch.
Speaker 2: Wow God good.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Happy Halloween listeners, and welcome to the one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy first episode of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast.
Speaker 3: So Spookily Paranormal.
Speaker 1: My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
Speaker 1: with me as.
Speaker 3: Always is or Scott Specter.
Speaker 1: Producer Extraordinary and podcast co host Oscar the Cinnamony Crisp.
Speaker 1: This is in the air.
Speaker 3: It is Halloween time. I mean it's October first for.
Speaker 1: Me, it's it starts like September twenty five.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I'd not. It's done been starting. I've
Speaker 3: already been watching horror movies. Not that I need an excuse,
Speaker 3: but I've been watching more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you never need an excuse for horror, but
Speaker 1: you can just add more horror. Right tis the season? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of getting ready here, starting to
Speaker 1: break out all the Halloween decorations and ordering more. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be making some custom decorations.
Speaker 3: When usually put up decorations.
Speaker 1: We're probably gonna start this weekend. I want to get
Speaker 1: my big twelve foot skeleton up this weekend.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Nico's excited for it to help me put
Speaker 1: that thing up. So yeah, love it, love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I asked him what he wants to be this year.
Speaker 3: He had no idea.
Speaker 1: He's making something in the garage, like what his own
Speaker 1: kind of Halloween and tell me that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, punk, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what it's gonna turn out to be. But
Speaker 1: it all started from he found like a folded up
Speaker 1: hanger wire hanger in our shed and he just kind
Speaker 1: of looked at it and suddenly now it's this whole
Speaker 1: mask kind of thing with a working jaw, like these
Speaker 1: big ear kind of things coming out of it, and
Speaker 1: he's made like claw hands all out of like cardboard.
Speaker 1: You know, it's good, it's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Put him down for engineering school.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting. I'll show you when you when you
Speaker 1: go to leave, I'll show you the gage.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're gonna I'm trying to make a fence,
Speaker 1: like a cemetery fence, like a real one this year.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we're excited. And Halloween's on a Friday
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 3: It is a big deal.
Speaker 1: Man, that is a big deal.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun. Hopefully it's not too debilitatingly cold.
Speaker 3: Fuck that's the only thing. Otherwise it's perfect time like
Speaker 3: it Friday, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously we're gonna have a big party here. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're invited. Of course. You said you have a costume.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what it is.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell you. I'm gonna show you.
Speaker 1: I know quite a few people who are coming are
Speaker 1: going to be dressing up, so that means my fans
Speaker 1: has to find the costume.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you have to this year, I
Speaker 3: have to do something. Yes, what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: I have no I have no a jelly bean.
Speaker 3: I have no idea a jelly bean. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: that's what I supposed to. Now stop stop, I don't
Speaker 3: know what's your jelly bean flavor.
Speaker 1: Oh well, it's got to be like jelly belly and
Speaker 1: like the popcorn flavor ones bubble gum flavor.
Speaker 3: I would say, bubble gum is probably up there for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got that.
Speaker 1: So now we've got to order all our full sized
Speaker 1: candy bars.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So, I know you're not like type directly in my area.
Speaker 3: But for some reason, and I thought it was just
Speaker 3: me on this jay. So I take walks almost every
Speaker 3: night to get physically better. It's an excuse to just
Speaker 3: do not do something else. And I also I unplug
Speaker 3: it too, like I'm almostly trying to do that, trying
Speaker 3: to not be in my phone or you know, listening
Speaker 3: to something all the time. So anyway, I would take
Speaker 3: a walk, usually at least a mile up to three
Speaker 3: or two or three miles. I walk around, and I've
Speaker 3: been noticing more spiders.
Speaker 1: Oh, just the name. I get goosebumps like this.
Speaker 3: This past month September has been spidery. Oh. I noticed,
Speaker 3: for example, I would walk by, there's a few blocks
Speaker 3: away from my house. I would walk by that night,
Speaker 3: of course, like midnight, one am, and I saw there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of trees everywhere, and there was a there
Speaker 3: was a tree there with a branch sticking out with
Speaker 3: the leave sticking out, and there was this noticeable web
Speaker 3: that was that the spider was so industrious it attached
Speaker 3: itself to from the tree to a parked car.
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
Speaker 3: And the spider was like this big in the middle
Speaker 3: chilling it already finished.
Speaker 1: The size was about three inches what you showed right there,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's about.
Speaker 3: Three inches that's your Is that three inches? About three inches? Okay? Whatever?
Speaker 3: It was a big one and it was chilling there.
Speaker 1: Sell the car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know what owner did or anything.
Speaker 3: But like next day or two, a few days later,
Speaker 3: when I walked by the same area, obviously I didn't
Speaker 3: notice that. I wasn't making I didn't know what kind
Speaker 3: of car was, so I but I didn't see that
Speaker 3: same So the car mustn't moved and the spider web
Speaker 3: got destroyed. Right, But I saw that same I assume
Speaker 3: it's the same spider industriously building a new one underneath
Speaker 3: the like the branch and the cook of the tree
Speaker 3: where the leaves start. I'm like, Okay, that's better. But
Speaker 3: like I'm like, so, that's not the only time I've
Speaker 3: seen tons of other sp I kept filling webs on
Speaker 3: my face all the time, like I was a walk by.
Speaker 3: I kept double checking. At one point I had my
Speaker 3: sidewalk blocked off from a giant web a different area,
Speaker 3: entirely different spider. I had to walk around. I had
Speaker 3: to go into the street walk around to bypass it
Speaker 3: because I'm not going to touch that.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't a Halloween decoration. No, no, it's a spider.
Speaker 1: It's They're all spiders. And I noticed one in my
Speaker 1: car like two weeks ago, and must have been like
Speaker 1: a baby one because I saw a little web in
Speaker 1: my car. I'm like, oh, no, where are you? I'm like,
Speaker 1: where are you living? No spider.
Speaker 3: I do like spiders. I was fine with it, so
Speaker 3: I didn't I haven't seen him yet. But my point
Speaker 3: is that there every way, I thought it was just me.
Speaker 3: But on TikTok I saw a few people complain about
Speaker 3: it in Chicago. They're like, hey, is there more spiders
Speaker 3: out there right now? Because I'm seeing them a lot
Speaker 3: that night. And I'm like, maybe it's like a phenomenon.
Speaker 3: What's going on? So I tried looking it up. I
Speaker 3: couldn't find anything concrete on it, like any scientific you know,
Speaker 3: any study or anything. But apparently people are noticing it.
Speaker 3: It's not just me, and we might there's a there's
Speaker 3: slightly more amount of spiders than we're used to.
Speaker 1: I guess, Wow, that's glad I'm not around you. That's horrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, I've seen I'm seeing around in
Speaker 3: my house here and there. Occasionally I don't go because
Speaker 3: they they eat too flies, and so I'm good with that,
Speaker 3: but like otherwise, yeah, this lily has been more and
Speaker 3: I'm there was one on my front porch that was
Speaker 3: chilling out for a long time. It was like, it's
Speaker 3: hard to explain, but it's like a little patio leaning
Speaker 3: to the stairs down to the outside and between the
Speaker 3: front door and the sidewalk there was like there's like
Speaker 3: a railing. Then most of us never go to because
Speaker 3: it's out of the way, it's by a window. We
Speaker 3: don't touch the window. So this spider had his field
Speaker 3: day there building a whole little lattice thing. But it's
Speaker 3: gone now. Maybe one of my and my uncle or
Speaker 3: somebody took it down. But it was chilling there. I
Speaker 3: was like, that was the first. That was the first
Speaker 3: notice I saw of a spider, and then there every
Speaker 3: were now, so that's.
Speaker 1: That's quite Halloween.
Speaker 3: It's a Halloween story, Oh, I thought, So the.
Speaker 1: Spiders are coming out. Well, it's been warm, so maybe
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. It's unseasonably warm. It should be
Speaker 1: pretty cold now, so maybe something to do with the weather.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's terrible.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I would sell the car, sell the house. I'm out.
Speaker 1: I'm out. I hate spiders.
Speaker 3: I know you do you know that, yes, so.
Speaker 1: You have what else Halloween? What do you remember from Halloween?
Speaker 1: Like like growing up? What was what was it like
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 3: I mean it was pretty basic. My parents they didn't
Speaker 3: give a shit about Halloween that much. They also I've
Speaker 3: also known them, I mean I've known them for my
Speaker 3: whole life, of course, but they've had different stages, let's
Speaker 3: just say, of giving a fuck about Halloween, like my
Speaker 3: earli early years, like childhood, childhood, you know, from taller
Speaker 3: to childhoodish they they didn't care, but they had fun
Speaker 3: with it. So like you know, at those events, I
Speaker 3: was a kid, sure, I'll go, I would. I would
Speaker 3: dress up maybe here and there who were definitely took
Speaker 3: a treat. That's when we lived on Austin and Nagel,
Speaker 3: I want to say, Or maybe it was when we
Speaker 3: lived on DayMen before it became like damen it is
Speaker 3: now anyway, and we did that and then they got
Speaker 3: triviligious around my second or second kid, my brothers and
Speaker 3: my youngest brother's birth there or on that time, they
Speaker 3: got way more into it, so they got way less
Speaker 3: thanto Halloween as a as a thing at all. And
Speaker 3: now they're like, oh mean doctors are all their kids
Speaker 3: are older and the ship. But to them it's always
Speaker 3: been like a kid candy thing and they don't give
Speaker 3: a shit. So like my point is that it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I don't remember how I don't have a lot of
Speaker 3: great memories as a kid. Yeah, like no, not much
Speaker 3: at all. I don't remember anything spooky or anything decoration.
Speaker 3: I never I have a totally paper at a house.
Speaker 3: I never. I remember. Sometimes I remember I have some
Speaker 3: memories of trick or treating, but like nothing crazy. I never,
Speaker 3: you know, ate so much candy that I threw off
Speaker 3: or anything nothing like that. Yeah, yeah, nothing that you've seen.
Speaker 3: But you I mean you were, you were you were
Speaker 3: trick or treating way before the the the scare from
Speaker 3: the eighties, right, yeah, yeah you were like this is
Speaker 3: like you were in your original Halloween town, I think.
Speaker 1: But I mean that was definitely obviously a thing grown up.
Speaker 1: Was Yeah, poison candy, razor blades and needles in the candy,
Speaker 1: razor blades in the apples and you know, shit like that.
Speaker 1: You're always crazy?
Speaker 3: How false that all was? All that was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know if it was entirely false.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was an epidemic like they made
Speaker 1: it seem. But I think there were definitely needles, razor blades, yeah,
Speaker 1: kids candy for sure.
Speaker 3: No, it's so because I read a thing about this,
Speaker 3: not like a book, but like I think journalist, like
Speaker 3: some articles or something about it. How because I was like,
Speaker 3: they hype that up in the nineties. They maybe they
Speaker 3: hyped it up in eighties too, I don't remember that,
Speaker 3: but they hyped it up in the nineties right in
Speaker 3: the news for that and still in the two thousands.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they still do it today.
Speaker 1: But still check our kids candy to this day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I know it's for me. I started in
Speaker 3: the nineties all that stuff on TV. And from what
Speaker 3: I read about this, this thing I read this article
Speaker 3: about the time, is that there was only two cases
Speaker 3: of actually razor blades or poison and candy, and they
Speaker 3: were both relatives that wanted to kill that specific kid.
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't for anybody to eat, it was meant
Speaker 3: that was targeted. Wow, So like and that was it.
Speaker 3: There was only recorded cases and the country, of course
Speaker 3: I don't mean in the world, but yeah, that's from
Speaker 3: the nineties, and it was like some crazy like low
Speaker 3: stat You thought it would be like more than that,
Speaker 3: but no, it's not at all. Yeah, or at least
Speaker 3: it wasn't. Maybe it is now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were terrified that. I'm still afraid of it. Well,
Speaker 1: now you gotta worry about drugs like slipping fentanyl laced
Speaker 1: fucking No.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't give it away like that. Yeah, they would
Speaker 3: charge you for it if you would think. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: you gotta hook them on, but they got to know
Speaker 3: who the cellar like, doesn't it's not a good business, trgy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, to just give fentanyl away like that.
Speaker 1: It's fentanyl skittles or gummy bears or some shit.
Speaker 3: I mean sure, it's already a drug. Doesn't need any help, true,
Speaker 3: it does not need help.
Speaker 1: You know. What we don't see anymore is like I
Speaker 1: remember remember the Halloween parades the schools.
Speaker 3: Would do like my school COVID killed all that, bro No, even.
Speaker 1: Before oh was it was it there?
Speaker 3: Before that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You would you would first of all dress up, go
Speaker 1: to school dressed up.
Speaker 3: I remember doing that. Oh yes, I remember that. Grammar school.
Speaker 1: Or you go home for like lunch and dress up
Speaker 1: and then come back and it would be a little party.
Speaker 1: Then you're the whole school would like parade around the
Speaker 1: neighborhood and you're thinking it would stand out and like,
Speaker 1: you know, cheer for you and stuff, and you go
Speaker 1: walk into the neighborhood. It was awesome. Fucking see anything
Speaker 1: like that these days, man, ever with the kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so for seventeen years, I haven't seen it, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I wonder when that actually stopped. But it
Speaker 1: was cool.
Speaker 3: I know that COVID did kill a lot of the
Speaker 3: you know, classic trick or treating house to house thing.
Speaker 3: I know it killed that for sure. COVID around here,
Speaker 3: like it was dying off already and then it killed
Speaker 3: it most places, I mean, like certainly in Chicago. Like
Speaker 3: I don't see it. I'm not saying that no one
Speaker 3: does it that people it's coming back a little bit.
Speaker 3: Every year is a little bit more, but I debite
Speaker 3: don't see as much. I remember last year barely seeing
Speaker 3: any but the year before that, I'm we're seeing a
Speaker 3: lot more. So I don't know, maybe it's different times,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it was just like anoicing decrease a lot
Speaker 3: from COVID. So I don't know if that killed like
Speaker 3: like maybe there was some sum par rates and that
Speaker 3: just killed all of them out. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would be curious if listeners if they still have
Speaker 1: parades in their neighborhoods. I don't think it's the thing
Speaker 1: any Maybe it's.
Speaker 3: Not a small town thing nowadays. It's not like a
Speaker 3: small community thing like that's it like a block party
Speaker 3: and that's it. And only some places do it, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I do with a little big party and do
Speaker 1: it yourself. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the only way you see it alive. That's sad,
Speaker 3: it's all, oh yeah, it's sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the trigger treating, of course, I remember
Speaker 1: making pumpkin seeds, like that's a huge thing.
Speaker 3: That you make pumpkins seas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, So that's a tradition I got from my mom,
Speaker 1: you know, and I still do it with my kids.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: You get your your jack O'Lantern, you carve it up right,
Speaker 1: you scoop all the guts out, you wash away that
Speaker 1: orange snot yeah, and you know then you get all
Speaker 1: the pumpkin seeds out and we put them out. They're
Speaker 1: still kind of wet on an old tin train that
Speaker 1: we have for pumpkin seed making. You butter them and
Speaker 1: you salt them and you throw them in the oven
Speaker 1: for a while. Man, They're the best thing in the world. Really,
Speaker 1: Pumpkin sea homemade pumpkin seeds. Oh yeah, Okay, Now I
Speaker 1: got the kids into it and they do it and
Speaker 1: it's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Ever since I've got ever since I got my pets,
Speaker 3: I do buy a pumpkin every year and they because
Speaker 3: they love punkins, they love punkin seeds, they love pumpkin. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they eat that. Shut up. It's like they're one
Speaker 3: annual treats. So that's cool.
Speaker 1: What about costumes, Is there any costume grown up that
Speaker 1: you specifically remember?
Speaker 3: No, all my, all, my the costumes I remember, or
Speaker 3: the costumes I put effort in. We're all as adults
Speaker 3: like I've been. I've been doing it as adult pretty
Speaker 3: much annually every year, even if it isn't like with you,
Speaker 3: but at other events maybe that I go to throughout
Speaker 3: the month, I'll do that. Like I have three costumes
Speaker 3: for this year. Oh shit, one of the reserved for
Speaker 3: for you on Halloween. Wow.
Speaker 1: But like yeah, yeah, don't don't tell me what this party.
Speaker 3: So like I I go, I don't go all out either,
Speaker 3: but like I do, put effort into something different all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: I remember one year came up. You had to park
Speaker 1: quite a ways down and you were walking down the
Speaker 1: street and I think that was a year you were
Speaker 1: like a plague doctor.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I still have that.
Speaker 1: Nico was like, who is that? What is that walking
Speaker 1: down the street. It's Uncle Osgar.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was a cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't put too much thought into costumes as
Speaker 1: an adult, but I do remember. I remember my mom
Speaker 1: dressing me up as Raggedy Andy. There was raggedy and
Speaker 1: Raggedy Andy. Yeah, back in the day, in the eighties,
Speaker 1: I was Raggedy Andy. I remember that. I remember Cookie
Speaker 1: Monster being Cookie Monster. And I remember Rambo. I was
Speaker 1: Rambo one year, so dating myself of course. But other
Speaker 1: than that, then you had like the plastic.
Speaker 3: Well your first blood or second blood.
Speaker 1: Probably first blood. You had those plastic ass stiff kind
Speaker 1: of costumes. Those.
Speaker 3: I remember one of that knife and then the gun belts.
Speaker 1: Bowie knife, the knife with a compass in it and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that, and I remember it was what during
Speaker 1: one of those those school parades. One of my friends
Speaker 1: who passed away now but his mom dressed him up
Speaker 1: as a cannibal, so he was painted black head to toe.
Speaker 1: You can't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: You can fucking do whatever the hell you want. People
Speaker 3: think it's cool.
Speaker 1: This kid had an afro white.
Speaker 3: I see, I think you meant like the cannibal idea
Speaker 3: you're talking about. He was a black face.
Speaker 1: He was completely that.
Speaker 3: You can't do it. No, I mistaken, I missssed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's say you can't do that anymore. But I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it. I'll never forget it. It was kind
Speaker 1: of fun.
Speaker 3: I think the last time society allowed that to happen
Speaker 3: was Robert Downey Junior in that one movie that I
Speaker 3: haven't seen.
Speaker 1: Yet, Oh a tropic thunder topic. And then getting older,
Speaker 1: like that's kind of what I remember, and of course
Speaker 1: trick or treating and things. But then when you get older,
Speaker 1: that's when we became devious. That's when we would start
Speaker 1: stocking up on eggs, like, you know, two months before Halloween,
Speaker 1: so they would be rotten. Where you'd buy as much
Speaker 1: shaving cream as you could, okay, and we'd melt. You
Speaker 1: would you would stick a needle into the nozzle of
Speaker 1: your shaving cream and you would light. You would melt
Speaker 1: the nozzle around the needle. Then once it dries, once
Speaker 1: it cools, you'd pull the needle out so you have
Speaker 1: this little pinpoint hole for your shaving cream. And it
Speaker 1: would shoot like twenty yards, you know, So then it
Speaker 1: was fucking war dude. Then you had even older kids
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood who would attack us, younger kids with
Speaker 1: nair so like you know, it would like eat your hair,
Speaker 1: yea in your head and ship. Oh yeah, then it
Speaker 1: turned then.
Speaker 3: That happened to me. I would kill you all.
Speaker 1: Well, because your hair is like six feet long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Antonio Bendettas from dust till Don is what you look like.
Speaker 3: Tony Benas wasn't from dustle Don. You're thinking of the
Speaker 3: vampire movie?
Speaker 1: It was not indust still done. What am I thinking of?
Speaker 3: Intern with the vampire?
Speaker 1: Literally interviewed with the vampire?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with that he I mean, it's a different
Speaker 3: it's a vampire movie from the nineties, So you're not
Speaker 3: that far off and you're fine. I'm not that I'm
Speaker 3: not mad about it, but hopefully as long as you're
Speaker 3: not mistaken turning by theirs with like cheech Marin, who's
Speaker 3: the only other Hispanic twister. No, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 3: It's not the only spanning but mainly THEO. That's funny. No,
Speaker 3: I was thinking of dressing up. I can. I could
Speaker 3: pull because I have the hair. It's done, its hair
Speaker 3: is done. I don't have to. All I do is
Speaker 3: have a really nice, really nice clothing. Though. I need
Speaker 3: that bad ass red cape.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I could just get that bad ass red cape.
Speaker 3: I'm almost home, almost home.
Speaker 1: Let's work on it.
Speaker 3: I should work on that. Yeah, I don't have that
Speaker 3: this year, but maybe next year i'd be nice.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess we got to get on with
Speaker 1: the episode.
Speaker 3: But oh, yes, that's right, Halloween.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yes, it's in the air. We hope
Speaker 1: you like this episode. Oscars Driving today, I.
Speaker 3: Am driving driving. I just got my license renewed. UI.
Speaker 3: They couldn't, they couldn't. It couldn't stop me for it
Speaker 3: too long on that d UI. That judge was drunk
Speaker 3: himself on stance, so I was able to get away.
Speaker 3: So I'm driving this time.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of drinking, we have one hundred and eleven
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Speaker 1: Blue Run High Ride Whiskey all right, that's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna be drinking or rye as I get to sit
Speaker 1: back and just broke my broke.
Speaker 3: The goods you got for picking.
Speaker 1: So I could sit back and sit Well, you tell
Speaker 1: this story and you take us a Halloween adventure.
Speaker 3: Yes, m there you go.
Speaker 1: Cheers my friend. Happy Halloween season.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's take a break, shall we.
Speaker 1: Let's do it, listeners, welcome back to the show. Well,
Speaker 1: the lights are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit,
Speaker 1: and the cinnamony crispness is in the air.
Speaker 3: I've said it again.
Speaker 1: Let's start this show, Oscar. What do you have for us?
Speaker 3: This lovely? Oh my god, I am driving the bus today.
Speaker 3: It's the hearse man, the hearse You're driving these right?
Speaker 3: You know they're bringing Sorry, it's reminding me. I don't
Speaker 3: know why reminded me. But they're re releasing a trick
Speaker 3: or treat in theaters this this mom trigger treat Sam. Yeah,
Speaker 3: love it that. I think that movie came came back
Speaker 3: stronger in people because some costumes for sale and stores.
Speaker 1: Really I've seen like action figures and things cool.
Speaker 3: I love how the movie just had a life of
Speaker 3: its own after way after its release.
Speaker 1: It's a big deal to be re released. I mean
Speaker 1: that shows you if.
Speaker 3: You ask young kids, not young kids, but like everyone's
Speaker 3: younger than us. Young people younger, they know that movie.
Speaker 3: They know Sam, Yeah, they know. And in that spirit,
Speaker 3: that's what I have for you guys today. Have you,
Speaker 3: guys ever seen the movie Trick or Treat? It is
Speaker 3: Halloween season, that horror movie. Great fucking movie recommended. It's
Speaker 3: it's about one night in Halloween in a small town,
Speaker 3: but it's four or five different stories told in the
Speaker 3: same night on Halloween, and there are all like different
Speaker 3: variety of stories of different horror types. Ones about a vampire,
Speaker 3: once about a serial killer, once about a witch. You know,
Speaker 3: good mixed bag of different things, all fun, all on
Speaker 3: the same level of funness. That's what that's about. That's
Speaker 3: kind of how what I did, what I'm doing this
Speaker 3: this this month.
Speaker 1: So we're not just getting a single story.
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna no, right, why not? I like this, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: kind of like Tales from the Crypt That's what I
Speaker 3: was thinking, Like the old uh you know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: like the episodic things, but also like not just a show.
Speaker 3: But there was those movies right there, there was like
Speaker 3: multiple stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll have like three real short stories or.
Speaker 3: Something in there. Yeah. I recently we watched Demon Night.
Speaker 1: Oh with Billy's say.
Speaker 3: Yes you know what.
Speaker 1: I was a big Tales from the Dark Side fan.
Speaker 3: Also very good. I haven't seen that in forever though.
Speaker 3: The music, just the intro music to that, I don't show.
Speaker 3: It's been so long. It's been since the nineties. That's
Speaker 3: so long ago.
Speaker 1: If I said, Oscar put in that clip here of
Speaker 1: Tales from the Dark Side intro, would it appear now.
Speaker 3: Man lives in.
Speaker 4: The sunlit world of what he believes to be reality,
Speaker 4: but there is unseen by most an underworld, a place
Speaker 4: that is just as real, but not as brightly lit,
Speaker 4: a dark side.
Speaker 3: Only only time will tell or probably not. Okay, we'll see.
Speaker 1: It would send me flying under the covers as a
Speaker 1: kid when that sound played at like eleven o'clock or
Speaker 1: whatever it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now it is ballly fell my intro. What it
Speaker 3: is this pro I'm going to give you the fair anyway,
Speaker 3: here's a story. Here's what I wrote. All right, So
Speaker 3: this week I have something a little stranger than the
Speaker 3: usual thing we do here I like to explain my
Speaker 3: thinking about how I approach today's show in the hopes
Speaker 3: it'll prepare you listener as well as you jay about
Speaker 3: where I'm coming from now in drips and drafts. Legally,
Speaker 3: I've been writing about a Japanese serial killer, but have
Speaker 3: had little luck in finding a good way to tell it.
Speaker 3: So I had to eschew that. Knowing this is an
Speaker 3: October show, I did manage to put undue pressure on
Speaker 3: myself to come up with something unique and hopefully as good.
Speaker 3: My research began in trying to find the evolution of
Speaker 3: supernatural beliefs, many of which are rooted in religion, but
Speaker 3: a lot or not. Actually from an article published in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three on human nature, a scientific study looked
Speaker 3: into one hundred and fourteen geographically and culturally diverse societies
Speaker 3: to help explain how supernatural beliefs bloom. It led to
Speaker 3: some interesting conclusion, but decided to hold off that hold
Speaker 3: on to that topic for a later time because that
Speaker 3: subject requires more reading and way more understanding that I
Speaker 3: was ready for you for this month, so but it's
Speaker 3: a good idea still I like it right, So instead
Speaker 3: I will be as I said earlier, just a minute
Speaker 3: ago that I will be presenting four mysteries of different
Speaker 3: shapes and sizes for you today. Everyone here knows that
Speaker 3: I enjoy finding stories from around the world, as we're
Speaker 3: often in good hands with Jay tackling horrendous shed here
Speaker 3: at home. Most of the topics will be from different
Speaker 3: countries except one one is homegrown, and I hope there
Speaker 3: will be something for everybody. Low KEI. My favorite thing
Speaker 3: about this type of research is that I can return
Speaker 3: to it later on. A little thing about myself as
Speaker 3: a secondary researcher out of chew host is that I
Speaker 3: have a list, a long list, surprisingly long list of
Speaker 3: potential topics for future shows. A grand majority of those
Speaker 3: topics are actually not very good topics. They're busts or
Speaker 3: they're worse or I said either they're busts because they
Speaker 3: like they're too short, or too easily verifiable, maybe like
Speaker 3: to like to hoaxy maybe or something like that, or
Speaker 3: like too stringy to make a whole meal out of,
Speaker 3: like it's not long enough to be a show. But
Speaker 3: for this top you know, for this kind of story,
Speaker 3: it is. So I imagine I'm your crypt keeper today
Speaker 3: and I will be presenting four tales of mystery just
Speaker 3: in time for Halloween. Please tell us your favorite. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the first story is called I sort of title
Speaker 3: them all, but whatever, La mancha negra, which is Spanish.
Speaker 3: So for this story we will be traveling to Caracas, Venezuela.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how to categorize this story, but the
Speaker 3: supposed cost of over eighteen hundred deaths, many accidents and
Speaker 3: anxiety came not from a cryptid serial killer or ghost,
Speaker 3: but from a substance. One day in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 3: construction workers fixing a patch of the highway between Carakas,
Speaker 3: which is the capital city and its airport, noticed a
Speaker 3: black smudge around forty six meters in length. The smudge
Speaker 3: was soon named La mancha negra, which translated English means
Speaker 3: the black stain, And that was named by Karakan citizens.
Speaker 3: And this is a weird substance, to say the least.
Speaker 3: Another name people use was the black goo. Goo is fun.
Speaker 3: Who is a fun word? So I'll be interchangeably using
Speaker 3: the black stain black goo means the same thing.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know. I'm biting my tongue
Speaker 1: so hard. Why so many things I want to say
Speaker 1: about what and make fun of those two words, the
Speaker 1: black oop, the black stain, and the black woop, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's there an adult. Well, the fact that
Speaker 3: you mentioned that you have something, it makes you less
Speaker 3: adulty a little bit. But I'm glad you're holding off.
Speaker 3: Hold off, loll off on the diarrhea talk. I assume
Speaker 3: it's diarrhea. Was it to Centeria? I don't know what
Speaker 3: you're doing anyway. The scope and breath of this Black
Speaker 3: Stain lasted four years, enough for me to find the
Speaker 3: book published in two thousand and six by a reporter
Speaker 3: named Anna Elena Asputia, And the title is very long
Speaker 3: and in Spanish, so I'll just translate it for you.
Speaker 3: The book is roughly titled The Black Stain The Splendor
Speaker 3: is Debacle of the Caracas Giatra Chronicles, Reports and Testimonials
Speaker 3: of the Highway. Wow, it's a long title. It's very wordy.
Speaker 3: I didn't have access to the entire book, but I
Speaker 3: managed to read a nice chunk for the show. The
Speaker 3: construction crew I mentioned earlier was patching up a thirty
Speaker 3: year old asphalt when discovering the strange goo. A forty
Speaker 3: six meters stain on a highway, even on an important
Speaker 3: road like the one that leads to the airport, wouldn't
Speaker 3: be all that bad, except that pretty soon after they
Speaker 3: discovered it, the black stains spread for eight miles, specifically
Speaker 3: from Simon Boulevard International Airport to the city of Krakas,
Speaker 3: which I said earlier as the capital of Venezuela. The
Speaker 3: black staying was pretty consistent, managing to appear solely on
Speaker 3: roads on nothing else. The tenacity of this unknown substance
Speaker 3: made no sense, and was reported to rise and spread
Speaker 3: when the weather was hot and rainy, and then contract
Speaker 3: when the weather was cold. If that makes sense to you,
Speaker 3: stay away from me.
Speaker 1: It's none.
Speaker 3: It does not make good. Its good because I want
Speaker 3: to be friends with you. This black gu led to
Speaker 3: many vehicular accidents and several deaths, though unconfirmed. One of
Speaker 3: the dark but predictably human things about this story is
Speaker 3: how politics enter into it, and unconfirmed casualties and monetary
Speaker 3: involvement are the prime reasons. But I'm getting ahead of myself.
Speaker 3: So what is the substance and how bad did it get?
Speaker 3: Defining the black stain became a troublesome thing when researching
Speaker 3: because it's hard to say for sure what the substance
Speaker 3: is made out of or made of. Quote. Among the
Speaker 3: most mystifying aspects of La Mancha Negra are its unique properties.
Speaker 3: At times, its consistency has been compared to sticky substances
Speaker 3: like tar or chewing gum. On the other hand, it
Speaker 3: also reportedly slippery, making the roads surface akin to driving
Speaker 3: on ice. Indeed, news reports told of numerous accidents caused
Speaker 3: by this black coup as motorists struggled to maintain control
Speaker 3: of their vehicles, especially in areas where it was reported
Speaker 3: up to one inch thick. Right, super gross, you I
Speaker 3: mentionine eating that thing. There was no way. Kids didn't
Speaker 3: dare other kids to eat that. Right, they must have
Speaker 3: done that. There's no way that didn't happen. I'm six
Speaker 3: years old and I get double dog there. I think
Speaker 3: I will eat it. All right, That was pretty easily
Speaker 3: fooled as a kid. Anyway, moving on, there are theories,
Speaker 3: right quite impressure more, there are theories as to what
Speaker 3: the black stain is made of. One theory is that
Speaker 3: raw sewage mixed with the unnatural composition of a road
Speaker 3: led to the substance. Specifically, the sewage chemically deteriorating and
Speaker 3: mixing with the asphalt that can potentially make it slimy
Speaker 3: and unique to roads only and staying away from grass
Speaker 3: or other buildings because it did it stayed away from
Speaker 3: those of those things. This theory isn't high end the
Speaker 3: list due to the fact that it doesn't explain the
Speaker 3: weather dependent behavior of the black stain. Natural oil see
Speaker 3: pitch from underground reservoirs is another reason. People have theorized
Speaker 3: that seismic activity could account for the strange phenomenon and
Speaker 3: location of a black stain, but it fails to explain
Speaker 3: how how it could rise, as heavy oils tends to
Speaker 3: seep down, not up. So the most popular theory, especially
Speaker 3: with the Venezuelan kids on TikTok that I saw, is
Speaker 3: that it's pollution, a mixture of industrial waste, car emissions,
Speaker 3: oil residues that mixes with the rain water and why
Speaker 3: it rises through the cracks. Solid theory, but it fails
Speaker 3: to explain why the stain is localized to an eight
Speaker 3: mile area like it should be everywhere a right or
Speaker 3: more places. Okay, my favorite, it's my favorite theory. My
Speaker 3: favorite is that the black stain is alive We've all
Speaker 3: heard the expression life finds a way, and we've all
Speaker 3: seen how resilient nature can be as we see weeds
Speaker 3: and what not sprout from huge cement laggers on the street. Right,
Speaker 3: what if the substance is microbial, microbial about in nature
Speaker 3: or fungal in some way A fungus can help explain
Speaker 3: its need to ex band and how it can materialize
Speaker 3: in the dark underbelly of a road. The problem here
Speaker 3: is that scientists supposedly have found nothing living in what
Speaker 3: they studied of the black stain, like under a microscope.
Speaker 3: But I like to think that the deeper you go
Speaker 3: into the ground, the more likely you'll find the live fungal,
Speaker 3: whatever the origin of the gu but that has not
Speaker 3: been proven yet. That's one theory. That's my favorite one.
Speaker 3: There are more theories, but I'm saving them for later.
Speaker 3: The black stain began as a nuisance but turned deadly
Speaker 3: at times with how slippery and thick the substance could get.
Speaker 3: Another weird trait of the gu god a loosying ghu,
Speaker 3: is that it enjoyed pooling itself in tunnels where you
Speaker 3: can't see shit by the way, and it would also
Speaker 3: pull itself on uphills in the uphill portions of the road,
Speaker 3: like it made no sense, like it would enjoy itself
Speaker 3: in tunnels and uphill areas more presumably.
Speaker 1: Dark dank tunnels in the yes.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, taxi drivers would charge more for rides to
Speaker 3: and from the airport and often not take a ride
Speaker 3: if it was raining or if it was particularly hot
Speaker 3: or cold that day, because they didn't want to die.
Speaker 3: You know, since roadside maintenance and innovations is rarely our
Speaker 3: priority for any country, it certainly wasn't for Venezuela, which
Speaker 3: means everything took longer and therefore more money before the
Speaker 3: government took the black stains seriously. And here is where
Speaker 3: politics enter the story. That book I mentioned earlier with
Speaker 3: the long title clued me into the thinking of the
Speaker 3: people living in Venezuela in the eighties and nineties. They
Speaker 3: really didn't trust the government to either listen to them
Speaker 3: or fix the problem. The nuisance of the black stain
Speaker 3: was just that for the most part, and while they
Speaker 3: blamed their Ministry of Transportation and Communications for being lazy,
Speaker 3: they also blamed the presidencies. One of the theories I
Speaker 3: haven't said is that people believed it was a political
Speaker 3: hoax to unseat President Jaime Lucinchi, who was in office
Speaker 3: from eighty four to eighty nine nineteen eighty four nineteen
Speaker 3: eight nine. Carlos andres Pes took office in eighty nine
Speaker 3: and saw major riots, a deep economic crisis, and two
Speaker 3: coup attempts before he was finally impeached for corruption in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three. Specifically, Pedes had misappropriated two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty million bolivadies for his own interest. While his predecessor
Speaker 3: could be blamed for being lazy, it was pez that
Speaker 3: was blamed in a conspiratorial way of causing the black
Speaker 3: stain to begin with. I mean he certainly used it
Speaker 3: in public a few times in office, like as a
Speaker 3: scapegoa to maybe spend money to ciphon off money for himself.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm gonna solve this problem with a black dude.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm gonna spend I'm gonna, like, you know, no
Speaker 3: writ matter how much it costs, because it's not not
Speaker 3: going to pay for it, right kind of thing. His
Speaker 3: presidency is the reason why much of the data surrounding
Speaker 3: the black Stain is unconfirmed. In nineteen ninety one, it
Speaker 3: was reported that the black stain caused over one thoy
Speaker 3: eight hundred debts and countless car accidents since nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: six when it began. If you think onellogically, it makes
Speaker 3: no sense for the people living in and around Krakas
Speaker 3: to have such a high death toll. People saw the
Speaker 3: black stain La Mancha Negra as a bothersome aspect of
Speaker 3: their lives. There were signs on the road leading to
Speaker 3: the Simon Bolivar International Airport to watch out for the
Speaker 3: black stain and people need to avoid, and they took
Speaker 3: care of it. The likelihood of eighteen hundred debts is
Speaker 3: very low in my opinion, or at least or maybe
Speaker 3: people were just that fucking stupid, but I don't think so.
Speaker 3: It was publicly stated by the Perez administration that millions
Speaker 3: of believe it as was spent in trying to ascertain
Speaker 3: the chemical properties of the black stain, as well as
Speaker 3: contracting businesses to help get rid of it. Spending the
Speaker 3: money is true, but where that money was siphoned onto
Speaker 3: is another thing altogether, And hindsight is twenty twenty, especially
Speaker 3: when dealing with corrupt leaders, so it's probably an exaggerated number.
Speaker 3: This probably isn't nowhere near that many kills. But everyone
Speaker 3: was aware at the black stain. People just got used
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a part of our life now.
Speaker 3: It is. It is. Yeah, So let's get into some
Speaker 3: of the attempts they used to try to get rid
Speaker 3: of it, right, The Ministry of Transportation and Communications try
Speaker 3: to pressure wash the black stain away layer by layer,
Speaker 3: but failed to keep it at bay. Deturgent scrubbing and
Speaker 3: resurfacing pavements sectionally with asphalt also proved to be futile,
Speaker 3: so they.
Speaker 1: Would lay asphalt on top of it and Boomer would
Speaker 1: come through again.
Speaker 3: Yep. Wow. What ended up kind of working is the
Speaker 3: use of pulverized limestone, which was hoped to be absorbed
Speaker 3: by the black stain and improve traction on the road
Speaker 3: at the same time. This solved the issue, but at
Speaker 3: a cost. The limestone created a visual impairment for drivers,
Speaker 3: and it made the air hard to breathe because it's dusty.
Speaker 1: Oh got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pularized limestone goes up, you know, like saying I
Speaker 3: guess or yeah whatever, yeah, where was I fuck?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Regardless, once the dust settled, the goo was gone until
Speaker 3: it was surfaced in nineteen ninety six. From here on out,
Speaker 3: the name of the game became clean up, if not containment.
Speaker 3: Other countries were consulted. This is after Perez was impeached.
Speaker 3: By the way, other countries were consulted, and special cleaning
Speaker 3: equipment from Germany proved to solve the issue. I tried
Speaker 3: and couldn't find what equipment was used, but I guess
Speaker 3: it was specialized. Maybe the Black Stain returned into two
Speaker 3: thousand and one and all manner of conspiracy theories along
Speaker 3: with it. This is where the Black Stain became kind
Speaker 3: of famous, because the Internet was around two and I
Speaker 3: think it started circling the wagons in our neck of
Speaker 3: the woods and our supernatural talks stuff. This is when
Speaker 3: it started coming out more. It's clear that this is
Speaker 3: an ongoing dilemma for Venezuela, but a manageable one. They treated.
Speaker 3: They just treated like that's like cancer and remission or something.
Speaker 3: But even that's too that even that's too extreme really
Speaker 3: of an example, but something like that. People no longer
Speaker 3: believe that Perez is the reason the Black Stain exists,
Speaker 3: but that he only used it when he saw fit.
Speaker 3: Others believe that like crop circles in the US and Britain.
Speaker 3: It is a perpetual hoax that changes hands from generation
Speaker 3: to generation as political forever rise and fall. That's like
Speaker 3: one of their theories too. Here's the most logical reason
Speaker 3: for the black stain. Not sure if you're aware, but
Speaker 3: Venezuela has the largest natural crude oil deposits in the world. Specifically,
Speaker 3: they have a territory called the Orderinoco Belt like Goorinoco Flow,
Speaker 3: which has the grand majority of set oil, and it
Speaker 3: neatly lies underneath the area that the black stain originates from.
Speaker 3: Combine that fact with the high probability that the Krakas
Speaker 3: Giara Highway was simply made poorly a long time ago,
Speaker 3: probably too many aggregates in the asphalt and the older
Speaker 3: cheap oil using cars, and you've got a specific stain
Speaker 3: that makes up La Mancha Negata. Remember, gas is cheap
Speaker 3: there and overall has been cheap in Venezuela because they
Speaker 3: don't need to import it. But it does logically suggest
Speaker 3: the heavier use of vehicles and older models that rely
Speaker 3: on less environmental friendly substances to run them, and that
Speaker 3: may explain why it's so heavy polluted there in that
Speaker 3: way and creating the black stain. What do you think.
Speaker 5: That's Uh so, so if it's just naturally occurring crude
Speaker 5: oil that they know exists already, how are they not
Speaker 5: able to chemically decipher that?
Speaker 3: Right? Like, so it's just nothing's been confirmed about it,
Speaker 3: Like if they know the answer by now, they just
Speaker 3: haven't said it. I haven't found any official reporting on
Speaker 3: it yet. Wow. So either that or they don't care
Speaker 3: to tell people. And maybe they know, but just too
Speaker 3: much oil. I mean, obviously they need it for their country,
Speaker 3: so they just, like said, they just deal with it.
Speaker 1: It just reminds me of the Blob or something. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool, right, and uh, we're saying eighteen hundred deaths.
Speaker 3: Probably the fact that it's black too, I feel it
Speaker 3: lends a lot to the oil thing to sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that you know, it took forever for
Speaker 1: someone to give a shit out. Yeah, first give a shit.
Speaker 3: Till mid nineties before they really actually sent people down
Speaker 3: there to clean it, like for real, Like yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's wild. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, it's a real thing though.
Speaker 1: Interesting and it's had books written on it, so obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean it's pre interested in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to kind of go through the the
Speaker 3: shitty articles are just hypothesizing saying that it's alien shit.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people are talking about aliens
Speaker 3: in this one, like that the black who is alien
Speaker 3: in nature, rising it from the ground or something. It's not, obviously,
Speaker 3: I don't think so anyway. But that's the that's when
Speaker 3: you get real crazy, right Yeah, okay, yeah, interesting, the
Speaker 3: real thing. Venezuela Black Stain. Yeah, I went on I
Speaker 3: went on their TikTok because I have a VPN, so
Speaker 3: I just changed to Venezuela and I went on their
Speaker 3: TikTok and I saw some of their stories. What were
Speaker 3: they saying, Oh, basically, one of what I'm saying is
Speaker 3: like that people think it's like corruption based on government
Speaker 3: and they really don't like that administration at all. One
Speaker 3: of them do. So they were saying that, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: my dad will talk to me about this story about
Speaker 3: the whole black stain thing, you know whatever. It was
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of loosely of the this
Speaker 1: whole viral thing that's going on right now TikTok Instagram
Speaker 1: YouTube of that kid. I want to say it was
Speaker 1: like Columbia. I could be wrong with South America with
Speaker 1: the meteorite that crashed in his yard or somewhere near
Speaker 1: his home. You haven't seen this, no, dude, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Meteorite long and short. He's chronicling this whole thing that
Speaker 1: he's experiencing. Meteorite crashes somewhere down in South America. I
Speaker 1: want to say it's Columbia. He retrieves the meteorite. Suddenly
Speaker 1: the meteorite starts sprouting this organism. Oh and this organ
Speaker 1: is organism is growing and people actually believe it, like
Speaker 1: they're saying it's one hundred percent real, right, like annihilation, yeah,
Speaker 1: or like venom, right, like they just oh yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks like venom.
Speaker 3: It moves, it grows, it mutates.
Speaker 1: It's it's wild. It's black, right, it's the goo. It's
Speaker 1: like a black goo kind of fungus sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 1: And now he finally let it loose and now it's
Speaker 1: swimming in some water somewhere and this thing and it
Speaker 1: it moves it like snaps and pops.
Speaker 3: It's the weirdest thing, okay.
Speaker 1: And it's a spiky, spiny, stringy, very wild, very weird.
Speaker 1: But people swear it's real, that this is an outer
Speaker 1: space organism.
Speaker 3: No, I'd have to see it for myself and that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, just google it, you'll find it instantly. It's
Speaker 1: everywhere right now.
Speaker 3: I know how I could believe that in this day
Speaker 3: and age.
Speaker 1: That's what I think you would think, Like maybe not NASA,
Speaker 1: but some other you know, alphabet agency would kick down
Speaker 1: that door. Yeah, and steal this thing if it was real,
Speaker 1: but maybe not, who knows, But that's kind of what
Speaker 1: it loosely reminded me of some I get it extra track.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this thing and never gave any indication it's alive though.
Speaker 3: It would just seep out. That's it. It was just
Speaker 3: pool and bought and book people's days. That's really it.
Speaker 3: It's an annoyance. It really becomes annoyance. Yeah, if you
Speaker 3: ask them the Venezuelan's, I mean, they would say it's
Speaker 3: just something they have to do with. Okay, Yeah, so
Speaker 3: there's that next story, Next story story too, story two.
Speaker 3: Somebody just show the last one is longer?
Speaker 1: Do these progress?
Speaker 3: Do they get? Like? No, I just mixed the match them.
Speaker 3: I was thinking of doing that. I was having them
Speaker 3: in a certain order, but I went from the bookends
Speaker 3: are the longer stories and the middle ones or the
Speaker 3: shorter ones. That's really the only thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: The next one's called we know what, I'll just uh yeah.
Speaker 3: The title is the Wedge of Ayod.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: The Wedge of Ayud?
Speaker 1: The Wedge of Ayud?
Speaker 3: Never heard of that? Okay. The next story is a
Speaker 3: weird little story. This isn't about a disappearance or phenomenon,
Speaker 3: but a mysterious object. Have you ever heard of an
Speaker 3: out of place artifact or upa for short? I have, yes, Yes,
Speaker 3: this is what's That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about one of those.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like these these are fun.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you've got you heard it? I figured you
Speaker 3: what but you no?
Speaker 1: No, it's and for listeners who old I yes, please,
Speaker 1: who don't know, they'll find like a machined right, something
Speaker 1: that's been machined in that the bolt, right we use
Speaker 1: every single day, embedded in rock that's like.
Speaker 3: That's older than that, older than the industrial age that
Speaker 3: it came from, right, yes, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Or you know something that looks like in Adidas shoe.
Speaker 1: I saw one time that's embedded in this ancient sediment.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, like a tomb of some king has like you know,
Speaker 3: Nike Air Jordans or something like that, right exactly, it's
Speaker 3: like that out of place. Well, here's the wicked definition
Speaker 3: that I like to use, and upa as an artifact
Speaker 3: of historical archaeological or paleontology palaeontological interest to someone that
Speaker 3: is claimed to have found in an unusual context, which
Speaker 3: someone claims to challenge conventional historical chronology by its presence
Speaker 3: in that context. Basically what Jay said. Basically, things that
Speaker 3: shouldn't exist when they're discovered. Say if you were to
Speaker 3: discover an underground cave system that has been naturally sealed
Speaker 3: for hundreds or thousands of years, and then you find
Speaker 3: an American penny in there. This didn't happen. It's just
Speaker 3: an example. But it's easy to jump to time travel
Speaker 3: or some other crazy supernatural cause when it probably means
Speaker 3: that the cave system must have been disturbed at some
Speaker 3: point that you haven't found most likely, right, like like
Speaker 3: the what's the what's the driving now? The simplest solutions
Speaker 3: usually the right one. Where was that some OKM racer
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of that. Okay, it's like
Speaker 3: a racer anyway. So my first thought for this section
Speaker 3: is to highlight three different objects of varying degrees of
Speaker 3: believable believability, throwing a hoax perhaps, but decided to focus
Speaker 3: on only one upas may be a future story and
Speaker 3: by like a future show all by themselves. Right, there
Speaker 3: are a lot of them at The object in question
Speaker 3: is called the wedge of Ayod. I think I'm pronouncing
Speaker 3: that right, I really obi. Ayoud is the name of
Speaker 3: a city located in Alba Alba County in Transylvania's Region
Speaker 3: in the country of Romania Bromini. In nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 3: a construction crew excavating a site near the Muirs River
Speaker 3: discovered two mastodon bones dating back to at least eleven
Speaker 3: thousand years old, as well as the wedge of Iyod
Speaker 3: under thirty five feet of sand. The wedge is a
Speaker 3: piece of metal found within the bones. The reason people
Speaker 3: got excited over this metal is that it was aluminum.
Speaker 3: This aluminum alloy wedge weighed about five pounds and was
Speaker 3: heavily rusted because oxidized aluminum didn't exist until the eighteen twenties,
Speaker 3: and this wedge was found within remains of the Masadon bones.
Speaker 3: People believe that either aliens or time traveler left it behind.
Speaker 3: The metal urgent test on the wedge demonstrating the following
Speaker 3: elemental results eighty nine percent aluminum, six point two percent copper,
Speaker 3: two point eighty four percent silicon, one point eight one
Speaker 3: percent zinc zero point four to one lead zero point
Speaker 3: three three eight ten, a little bit of ziconium and
Speaker 3: traces of cadmium, nickel, cobalte and bismuth. None of these
Speaker 3: elements are feign to Earth. It's all natural here, okay,
Speaker 3: so not a Moralian, it's my point quote. According to postings,
Speaker 3: the wedge was donated to the History to the Sorry
Speaker 3: to the Museum of the History of Transylvania. The story
Speaker 3: was later broken. In nineteen ninety five, r Ufo R four,
Speaker 3: a Romanian UFO magazine, published a piece after Florian Georgiita
Speaker 3: rediscovered the wedge. It was tested at the Archaeological Institute
Speaker 3: of kluj Nepocha. I'm butchering these names and the Swiss lab.
Speaker 3: Georgia further asked a series of professionals to examine the
Speaker 3: artifact and claims that an aeronautical engineer identified the wedge
Speaker 3: as a piece of landing gear on a vetal type
Speaker 3: of craft. VETO stands for vertical takeoff and landing. This
Speaker 3: last part is where people took the alien theory hard right.
Speaker 3: What is strange about Florian Georgia is how did he
Speaker 3: stumble across the wedge are hired? Like, did he one
Speaker 3: day decide to invade the Museum of the History of
Speaker 3: Transylvania in the hopes of finding something cool, or did
Speaker 3: someone tell him about it about the artifact twenty years
Speaker 3: later after they discovered it. From what little I could find,
Speaker 3: the artifact was stored in the closet somewhere until Florian
Speaker 3: found it. It wasn't displayed, not even close. It was
Speaker 3: never displayed, which could say something a little more about
Speaker 3: the Florian guy, but we'll talk about that later. Furthermore,
Speaker 3: none of my research helped explain why people simply sat
Speaker 3: on this for so long. It's possible that popularity for
Speaker 3: the mass at on bones and the wedge of Ayod
Speaker 3: was minimized so that the construction crew work in the
Speaker 3: area could continue working without interruption or massive red tape
Speaker 3: like bureaucratic red tape. But I have no definitive answer
Speaker 3: as to why they sat on it for twenty years.
Speaker 3: Here's where I'm gonna brush your bubble though. The wedge
Speaker 3: of Ayod to me, sits in the middle tiger of
Speaker 3: an UPA, which stands for out of place artifact, believable
Speaker 3: enough to run with it, but also with scientific logic
Speaker 3: to dispel it. Here's the case that the wedge of
Speaker 3: Ayod is nothing special to behold. Since heavy machinery was
Speaker 3: used to excavate the site back in nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 3: most people say that the wedge is simply an excavator
Speaker 3: bucket tooth that broke off at the site and was
Speaker 3: later mistaken as an artifact. The metal piece has been
Speaker 3: defined due to its composition as a series two thousand
Speaker 3: aluminum alloy, which was common in aerospace, military vehicles, rocket fins,
Speaker 3: and other heavy machinery like excavators. Because there is a
Speaker 3: twenty year gap between discovery and testing, the simple act
Speaker 3: of finding the same machine could just not be done.
Speaker 3: There is no way to there's no way of confirmation,
Speaker 3: but logic that dictates that the wedge is a misplaced item,
Speaker 3: not an artifact. That is me bursting your bubble right
Speaker 3: now on this.
Speaker 1: One, especially when you said the bucket tooth.
Speaker 3: Now I can see it perfectly, perfectly, perfectly. I love
Speaker 3: this type of French mystery because it closely ties science
Speaker 3: and it's supernatural, like more than usual all hoaxes aside,
Speaker 3: and there are plenty of hoaxes out there. It speaks
Speaker 3: about how we uncover and see history, and you realize
Speaker 3: that the more advancement we make in science, the less
Speaker 3: supernatural these objects become. And that's a good thing. Oopa's
Speaker 3: also highlight humans his ability to be pretty fucking stupid
Speaker 3: about what and how we find objects. However, what is
Speaker 3: a supernatural and not something that science has yet advanced
Speaker 3: enough to understand? Yeah, and that's that story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are sorts are fun. I remember seeing one
Speaker 1: that was a gear, something that was perfectly a perfect
Speaker 1: gear that again was embedded in some rock that was, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of years old, how the fuck? Like?
Speaker 3: Right, that's the strength and some of the lejed mysteries,
Speaker 3: some of le Jed you don't know why or how,
Speaker 3: And those are the standouts, right, the clean of the crop,
Speaker 3: and some are clearly hoaxes, like they're trying to gen
Speaker 3: up something and this and then this one's like an accident,
Speaker 3: a real accident, but like a provable accident, right, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know what you were talking about today,
Speaker 1: so I don't have any information to find on it,
Speaker 1: specific information. But there's like the Greek computer or.
Speaker 3: Something like like a long name with a T.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They pulled it up from like underwater and it's.
Speaker 3: That was there a real yeah. Right about this is
Speaker 3: that it's like a computer from again a long time ago,
Speaker 3: A long time ago. Yeah, like ancient Greece time, the
Speaker 3: time of like Rome and all that ship. You know,
Speaker 3: it's Greise made when Greece uh had a name.
Speaker 1: For themselves, right yeah, exactly. Uh So stuff like that
Speaker 1: just bizarre, just really bizarre stuff.
Speaker 3: I should I should find that name because I remember
Speaker 3: that was that was one of my lists a long
Speaker 3: time ago. I lost that one out as I forgot
Speaker 3: about that machine. And it's a good story.
Speaker 1: They like restored this thing. Yeah, it looks like it's
Speaker 1: brass or something. Yeah, it's this beautiful machine. You know
Speaker 1: that that should not exist, right, right, that's a great
Speaker 1: episode topic, actually, right, we should do that. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: what I'll do. I'll start working on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah that can be fun.
Speaker 1: But yeah, good good. I like that opus.
Speaker 3: I like to say that ands and oopus. I think
Speaker 3: that's why I put that next. This next one doesn't
Speaker 3: have a cool fun name though. For the next one.
Speaker 3: Third story?
Speaker 1: Do you want more whiskey?
Speaker 3: No? Good step offering me right anyway? Next story, I'm
Speaker 3: calling the Red Rains of Kerala. Have you heard of
Speaker 3: this one? The red rains? The rains of Castimir?
Speaker 1: You s what I do there?
Speaker 3: No? You said the wrong thing. Yeah, I saw that
Speaker 3: games Games of s No, I know what was it called? Again?
Speaker 3: Red rains of Kerala, Kerala, if you want to be
Speaker 3: white about it, Kerala, Kerala. I have not heard of
Speaker 3: this all right? So this next story is weather based
Speaker 3: and kind of a freak of nature. On occasion, blood coat,
Speaker 3: blood colored rain would fall onto the people living in
Speaker 3: the state of Kerala, which is on the Malabar coast
Speaker 3: of India. The documented times that red rain, blood red
Speaker 3: rain befell Kerala goes back as early as eighteen ninety
Speaker 3: six July of nineteen fifty seven September of two thousand
Speaker 3: and one, which is funny and June of twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: Other areas of India has had a same phenomenon in
Speaker 3: December of twenty twelve, but Kerala is the main focus here.
Speaker 3: When it rained in nineteen fifty seven, it led to
Speaker 3: several superstitions and cries that people of all shapes and sizes,
Speaker 3: including cults, had a few movies as well. They made
Speaker 3: movies about this. I should note that red wasn't the
Speaker 3: only reported color. People saw yellow, green, and black brought
Speaker 3: it just as much confusion than the biblical red. But
Speaker 3: red is the main color of rain.
Speaker 1: So imagine, Yeah, you walk outside your house, bro, yes
Speaker 1: you see red or fucking black?
Speaker 3: You walk into your car, nice white shirt and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Like a corporate nightmare. I would have right, like stain
Speaker 1: in my shirt before a presentation for that. Yeah, black rain,
Speaker 1: black white, colored fresh.
Speaker 3: I think this blood rain, like what the hell is
Speaker 3: being murdered above me? That a plane crash and all
Speaker 3: the bodies. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see how people would think this is
Speaker 1: the end. Colts would kick into high gear. This is
Speaker 1: the end, man, Yes, that's some weird sh and the
Speaker 1: fact that it's localized to this part of India is
Speaker 1: pretty yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a state, it's not like a city.
Speaker 3: But still okay, you know. But so now, when the
Speaker 3: rain came in two thousand and one, the Indian government
Speaker 3: came and brought scientists to study the fucker and you know,
Speaker 3: try to explain the red menace like you were drinking
Speaker 3: something when something you fucking get What did I do?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 3: Oh god, no, you're fine. So they buy and scientists
Speaker 3: explain stuff, right because they're like enough of this, we
Speaker 3: you know, figure it out. And you know, also it's unpredictable.
Speaker 3: We don't know when it's gonna coming back, right, So anyway,
Speaker 3: quote according to locals, a loud thunderclap and flash of light,
Speaker 3: followed by groves of trees shedding, shriveled ray, burnt leaves,
Speaker 3: burnt in quotes preceded the first colored rains. Reports had
Speaker 3: been given of shriveled leaves and the disappearance in sudden
Speaker 3: formation of wells around the same time in the area.
Speaker 3: Red particles in suspension and the rain water caused the
Speaker 3: coloration of the rain, and the red rain appeared at
Speaker 3: times as strongly colored as blood is written weird because
Speaker 3: it's translated. It typically fell over a small area, no
Speaker 3: more than a few square kilometers in size, sometimes so
Speaker 3: localized that normal rain could be falling just a few
Speaker 3: meters away from the red rain. Huh. Red rainfalls typically
Speaker 3: lasted less than twenty minutes. That's a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's pretty a long time. Yeah, you would think it'd
Speaker 3: be a few minutes, but no twenty minutes. But it's
Speaker 3: not long either, but it's like not short. Yeah, I agree. Wow.
Speaker 3: So apparently each each millimeter of rain yielded around nine
Speaker 3: million red particles, as well as other but not as prominent.
Speaker 3: The Center for Earth Science Studies in Kerala studied the
Speaker 3: pH levels and found it at a seven, which is neutral,
Speaker 3: but large amounts of copper, chromium, titanium, manganese, and nickel
Speaker 3: were present as well. This led to the first real
Speaker 3: theory about the red rain that exploding meteors either causing
Speaker 3: or as a result, blend in with the rainfall like
Speaker 3: as it crashes to atmosphere, creating the devilish effect. As
Speaker 3: cool as that sounds, this theory was soon dismissed when
Speaker 3: additional rainfall did not corroborate meteoric activity in the atmosphere,
Speaker 3: so not quite there yet. Rainfall of this nature is weird,
Speaker 3: but weird and rare but not that surprising. Actually, a
Speaker 3: milky white rainfall hit Idaho in twenty fifteen, chunks of
Speaker 3: meat rained on Kentucky in eighteen seventy six, meat meat,
Speaker 3: and a school of fish rain on the UK in
Speaker 3: two thousand in the year two thousand, or just some
Speaker 3: of the examples. So this does happen. It's weird, but
Speaker 3: it happens. This kind of thinking led to the next theory.
Speaker 3: Scientists thought that maybe the dusts from Arabian deserts was
Speaker 3: the culprit, as it happened once in nineteen oh three
Speaker 3: in England from the Sahara Desert. Like that's all I mean,
Speaker 3: that's the winds are crazy. It can blow something from
Speaker 3: that far away onto England, you know. Thus was discovered
Speaker 3: in the red rainfall, but not nearly enough to justify
Speaker 3: the theory. And it couldn't account as to why the
Speaker 3: phenomena stayed local when it should have spread further, so
Speaker 3: it didn't account for it. But that's one of their
Speaker 3: theories I worked on. There are other theories that I
Speaker 3: won't get into because there's some of them really stupid here.
Speaker 3: But I'll give you what I think is the strongest
Speaker 3: and happens to match India's official report. I was trying
Speaker 3: to avoid using scientific terminologies, but here it goes quote. Then,
Speaker 3: in November of two thousand and one, commissioned by the
Speaker 3: Government of India's Department of Science and Technology, the CEESS
Speaker 3: and TVGRI released a report which concluded that algel alkal
Speaker 3: algel spores colored Kerala's rains successfully grown in medium into lichen.
Speaker 1: How do you spell it?
Speaker 3: Lychin lichen? Lichen? Lichen? Is it lichen? I think so? Okay? Lichen?
Speaker 3: The successfully grown in medium into lichen associated algae of
Speaker 3: the genus Trentifolia Trentipolia my bad. Although red or orange,
Speaker 3: Trentipolia constitutes a chlorofied green algae which can grow abundantly
Speaker 3: on tree bark or damp soil and rocks, also constituting
Speaker 3: the photosynthetic symbiont on many lichens, including some of those
Speaker 3: abundant on trees in the Channanga cherry area. That's an
Speaker 3: Indian area. I'm sorry. The report suggested that heavy rains
Speaker 3: in Kerala in the weeks preceding the red rains could
Speaker 3: have caused the widespread growth of lichans or lichens, which
Speaker 3: had given rise to a large quantity of spores in
Speaker 3: the atmosphere. It found no definite mechanism for the apparent
Speaker 3: extraordinary dispersal of the suspect spores, nor for the uptake
Speaker 3: of the suspect spores into clouds unquote, so unverifiable. But
Speaker 3: that's what they think is happening, is that their spores,
Speaker 3: so like weeks before red rain will gather all the
Speaker 3: previous weather account that makes up all this green and
Speaker 3: strange algae formans, you know, lichens come on trees and rocks.
Speaker 3: Like it says like after enough of it builds up,
Speaker 3: the next rain would like cause all the sportes to
Speaker 3: flutter everywhere, causing the red coloration. Like a lot of
Speaker 3: combination of things like that would in the sky far high,
Speaker 3: I guess, so to fall down as rain. I don't
Speaker 3: know how. Yeah, that's why it's hard to from it.
Speaker 3: But that's like, yeah, it's hard to yes, and then
Speaker 3: black like or just a different colors. Yeah, so apparently
Speaker 3: yellow came right after as the rank as it followed
Speaker 3: like the color wheel a little bit like it would
Speaker 3: be red and the next color would be predictably yellow,
Speaker 3: you know, and then and then usually green or black
Speaker 3: or something after that. But like so like there is
Speaker 3: a weird journey of it. But yes, that's roughly the
Speaker 3: order weird.
Speaker 1: Was there any did it mention anything about animals, you know,
Speaker 1: drinking that rain and getting sick?
Speaker 3: No, that was never mentioned. I also didn't find anyone
Speaker 3: saying like, oh, this never happened either, like they tested animals. No,
Speaker 3: but I figure it would have been in the results
Speaker 3: if that happened, I guess. So now it reminds me
Speaker 3: of the Last of Us, which is funny because for
Speaker 3: you know, like oh right, you know, and and it
Speaker 3: started in India too, I think, or in Indonesia end
Speaker 3: the show, like the disease started there. So that's doubly
Speaker 3: fucked up one that's paragraph her. So the theory is
Speaker 3: not a home run, but it does neatly explain why
Speaker 3: the red rain is localized to the Kerala region, since
Speaker 3: the rains cannot be definitively explained and they haven't stopped
Speaker 3: comes back every ten years or so, not predictably, just
Speaker 3: thirby once in a while people into the supernatural and
Speaker 3: euphologists have enjoyed themselves with theories. Sure, the biggest theory
Speaker 3: involvement involving extraterrestrial activity was that the red particles were
Speaker 3: biological cells microbes that were from another world assisted by
Speaker 3: meteorological activity. That's basically the extent of that theory. But
Speaker 3: I honestly don't believe it. When red rainfall hit India
Speaker 3: on two different occasions in twenty twelve, coupled with the
Speaker 3: Mayan apocalypse, many people attributed the phenomenon with the end
Speaker 3: of the world. But obviously that didn't happen. But yeah,
Speaker 3: people were imagine you believe that and you're there in
Speaker 3: twenty twelve. That's crazy, right, That is because people really
Speaker 3: did believe it. People are crazy. People did go for it.
Speaker 1: Well, they thought the world was going to end a
Speaker 1: few days ago.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's true too, and that's why I heard about that.
Speaker 3: That's so bizarre, how bizarre, how bizarre.
Speaker 1: Indeed, in chromium, I mean chromium, but certain types of
Speaker 1: chromium are highly poisonous.
Speaker 3: Yes, so that's I think, such as what matters or
Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, because some is healthy for you
Speaker 3: different I saw that Aaron Brockovic movie. That's how I'm
Speaker 3: basing this off.
Speaker 1: Oh, is that what it was?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hinkley poison their water with tire hex of alian
Speaker 3: chromium in their wells and that's how people get cancer
Speaker 3: and stuff. But in the movie, it's just a movie,
Speaker 3: so I don't really know. There's like different levels of chromium.
Speaker 3: And the doctor explaining it too, Aaron Brockovic's character in
Speaker 3: the movie said that some levels is perfect and normal,
Speaker 3: healthy in that and good for you, and some are
Speaker 3: originally bad, right, So it really depends on what kind
Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, and it was used to like for machinery,
Speaker 3: the poison chromea like the bad coromium. Yeah, it is
Speaker 3: used to like lubricate machinery. As it's running.
Speaker 1: Reminds me a little bit of War of the World's
Speaker 1: remember the red Yes, that's good, that horrible rain that
Speaker 1: would fall and then afterwards the red Yes.
Speaker 3: Technically, I mean, don't be surprised that they got that
Speaker 3: idea from real world settings like the red rainfalls of Kerala. Yeah,
Speaker 3: possibly that could be a thing. Red rains, I remember,
Speaker 3: I remember, so, I remember stumbling. This is not my
Speaker 3: first time of hearing of this kind of thing. Happening,
Speaker 3: and not the red rainfall, I mean like weird shed raining.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So on two occasions in cinema or media, I've seen this.
Speaker 3: One is Magnolia remember the frogs? Oh yeah, Now that's
Speaker 3: actually based on a real historical thing. Oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 3: I looked up once, but it wasn't the ex dream.
Speaker 3: It happened in Europe somewhere I don't remember. It was
Speaker 3: a long time ago, like hundreds of years ago, but
Speaker 3: it rained frogs. I think that's where he got the idea.
Speaker 3: The other one wasn't Fargo the show season one? Have
Speaker 3: you ever seen that? Uh? And one of the one
Speaker 3: of the big act parts, like someone's in a car
Speaker 3: is a blind snowstorm and a whole school of fish
Speaker 3: rains down on them. It's not like causing a accident,
Speaker 3: changing the whole story of the show. And we all
Speaker 3: thought I was super thought. I was like, what the
Speaker 3: hell kind of fucking was mocking out bullshit? Right? And
Speaker 3: then I looked up, but that really happened. I mentioned
Speaker 3: that as that happened in Britain. That totally happens. That
Speaker 3: totally can't happen, and it happens from like a different seed,
Speaker 3: not even close by. It can happen from anywhere and
Speaker 3: it's got just hit hit the right amount of wind
Speaker 3: and rain and that's it.
Speaker 1: I've been on the water before and I've seen water spouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what's to say those water spouts don't siphon off
Speaker 1: whatever creatures are floating near the surface.
Speaker 3: Stead of washing the spider out, it washes it in.
Speaker 3: For the last one, yeah, read all right, different kind
Speaker 3: This is a different kind of story. This one's called
Speaker 3: the Solder Family. Solder family. My last story is a
Speaker 3: homegrown story. And I'm going to begin by quoting an
Speaker 3: article published on Christmas Day in twenty twelve. Quote for
Speaker 3: nearly four decades, anyone driving down Route sixteen near Fayetteville,
Speaker 3: West Virginia, could see a billboard bearing the grainy images
Speaker 3: of five children, all dark haired and solemn eyed. The
Speaker 3: Solder siblings names and ages fourteen year old Maurice, twelve
Speaker 3: year old Martha, nine year old Lewis, eight year old Jenny,
Speaker 3: and five year old Betty were stenciled beneath the photos,
Speaker 3: along with speculation about what happened to them, what was
Speaker 3: their fate kidnapped, murdered, or are they still alive? Unquote.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of a Solder family? I have not,
Speaker 3: you have not. This is surprising. I really thought this
Speaker 3: is the one that you might know. No, no, this
Speaker 3: one I don't. Okay, And you said Fayetteville, West Virginia, Yes, no,
Speaker 3: East Virginia, Okay, No, don't know. Have you been there? No? Okay.
Speaker 3: The Solder family story is one of mystery, confusion, frustration,
Speaker 3: and tragedy. One of the best things about this story,
Speaker 3: if such a thing could be allowed, is that there
Speaker 3: are ample sources to mind information. This story was well
Speaker 3: told over the years and in several angles. The story
Speaker 3: hinges on one event that befell the Solder family on
Speaker 3: Christmas Day nineteen forty five. But first, let's set the table.
Speaker 3: As mentioned earlier, this story took place in Fayetteville, West Virginia,
Speaker 3: which isn't quite smack dab in the middle of the state,
Speaker 3: but it's in the thick section, you know, the thick
Speaker 3: you know, like suction, not far from Charleston, about an
Speaker 3: hour or so away. Okay. The house wasn't alone out there,
Speaker 3: but it didn't have immediate neighbors like most homes do today,
Speaker 3: which means less witnesses, but also fewer casualties. I'll get
Speaker 3: to what I mean later. The Solder family was big.
Speaker 3: You know the expression, they don't make them like they
Speaker 3: used to. Well, they certainly don't make families like they
Speaker 3: used to. The mother and father were named Jenny's Cipriani
Speaker 3: and George Solder, and they had ten children. God, yes,
Speaker 3: imagine that. Imagine that. Just set back Jay for a minute. This,
Speaker 3: have a minute of silence, and you imagine multiplying your
Speaker 3: kids times five.
Speaker 1: I want to take a hostage with two. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The mother and father were named all right, said that.
Speaker 3: I remember both of them were Italian and George yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: of course Soder is not as actual last time. He
Speaker 3: changed it when he came over. I did have that
Speaker 3: information earlier, but I didn't put it in the story
Speaker 3: or no way. Both were Italian, and George immigrated with
Speaker 3: his brother to the United States when he was thirteen
Speaker 3: in nineteen oh eight. Oh wow. Jenny and George got
Speaker 3: married in nineteen twenty two and began making their small army.
Speaker 3: I'm going to note here that at the time, maybe
Speaker 3: still Fayetteville. Fayettville had a large Italian population and was
Speaker 3: the primary reason the couple moved there. You know, interesting
Speaker 3: community that you find among your own people, that kind
Speaker 3: of thing. From nineteen twenty three till nineteen forty two,
Speaker 3: the Satters had their ten children, and here's the order
Speaker 3: from oldest to youngest, John, Joe, Marion, George Junior, Maurice, Martha, Louis, Jenny, Betty,
Speaker 3: and Sylvia. Fucking hell, are you serious, dude. At the
Speaker 3: time of the tragic event, the oldest John was twenty
Speaker 3: three and the youngest Sylvia was three at the time
Speaker 3: of the end.
Speaker 1: It's a generation difference, yes.
Speaker 3: Tis totally. Now I'm talking about the children because the
Speaker 3: mystery involves them. At the time of the incident, Joe
Speaker 3: wasn't at home and had gone to serve in the
Speaker 3: military a few years earlier. World War Two ended just
Speaker 3: a few months prior to this tragedy. By the way,
Speaker 3: it ended in September right on there, and this is
Speaker 3: Christmas Day we're talking nineteen forty five, so yeah, he
Speaker 3: was off to Wark. Anyway, the event came in the
Speaker 3: form of a house fire, a fire that consumed the
Speaker 3: entire home. Here's the rough timeline of what occurred on
Speaker 3: the evening of the twenty fourth of December, into the
Speaker 3: earliest hours of the twenty fifth Christmas Day, Marian came home.
Speaker 3: The oldest daughter, Marian came home and working from working
Speaker 3: at a local store, and brought a few toys for
Speaker 3: her younger siblings. At around ten thirty pm, Jenny the
Speaker 3: mother took her youngest Sylvia upstairs with her to bed.
Speaker 3: By this time, George Senior and his two older boys,
Speaker 3: John and George Junior had gone to bed, already tired
Speaker 3: from work. I'll interject here to say that the Satters
Speaker 3: didn't quite have a farm, but they tended to a
Speaker 3: little bit of livestock and the acre surrounding the house.
Speaker 3: Just before heading off to bed, Jenny reminded two of
Speaker 3: her other boys, Maurice and Louis, to tend to the
Speaker 3: cows and chickens before they went to sleep. The younger
Speaker 3: children were allowed to stay up past their bedtime with
Speaker 3: their new toys Maurice, Louis, Martha, Betty and Jenny before
Speaker 3: heading up to the attic where they usually slept. Marian
Speaker 3: fell asleep on the couch, presumably while watching over her siblings.
Speaker 3: Earlier quote. About midnight, a phone call forced Jenny awake.
Speaker 3: When she answered, a woman asked for an unknown name.
Speaker 3: Jenny would later recall that the woman had a weird
Speaker 3: laugh and others were also laughing and clinking their glasses
Speaker 3: in the background. Jenny told the woman that she had
Speaker 3: the wrong number and didn't think much about it. At
Speaker 3: the time. The house was all quiet. Marian was asleep
Speaker 3: on the couch, and Jenny noticed that the doors were
Speaker 3: unlocked and the curtains were still open. Typically, the children
Speaker 3: take care to secure the house before they turned in
Speaker 3: for bed, but for some reason not on this night.
Speaker 3: Jenny locked up and closed the shades, assuming that the
Speaker 3: rest of the children had gone to sleep in the attic.
Speaker 3: She then retreated to bed. About half hour passed, Jenny
Speaker 3: awoke when, as she later described, something hit the roof
Speaker 3: like a rubber ball. It rolled and hit the ground
Speaker 3: with a thump. However, she didn't pay much attention to
Speaker 3: it and went back to sleep. Another half hour passes,
Speaker 3: and this time she awoke to the smell of smoke.
Speaker 3: George Jenny, which is the baby Marian, John, and George
Speaker 3: Junior got out. Unfortunately, the staircase to the attic had
Speaker 3: begun to fill up with fire. Oddly, when the satters
Speaker 3: yelled up to the attic, they heard no response from
Speaker 3: the younger children. As Jenny explained, and this is her
Speaker 3: quoting now, I ran to the bottom of the stairs
Speaker 3: where the children were supposed to be sleeping. I yelled
Speaker 3: and yelled, and two boys, John and George Junior, came
Speaker 3: stumbling down. Their hair was singed by the flames unquote
Speaker 3: on both ends. So when Jenny got up earlier and
Speaker 3: noticed the curtains open and front door unlocked, the lights
Speaker 3: were on as well, which later helped half of the
Speaker 3: other family to escape they needed the lights were so dark.
Speaker 3: Once the Stawters saw that getting through the fire upstairs
Speaker 3: was going to be impossible from the inside, they tried
Speaker 3: telephoning the fire department, but the phone wasn't working. George
Speaker 3: tried several things to rescue his children before the foundation fell.
Speaker 3: He first went to get his ladder, which was always
Speaker 3: propped up against the house, but found it strangely missing.
Speaker 3: He and his eldest had the idea of using one
Speaker 3: of their two trucks to park it to the house
Speaker 3: and climb up to the house, but fire found that
Speaker 3: both vehicles would not start, and where they worked the
Speaker 3: day before. George attempted to use the water he had
Speaker 3: from a barrel he had outside, but it was frozen solid.
Speaker 3: This is winter, after all. It seemed that he wasn't
Speaker 3: meant to save his children from the horrible flames. Marion
Speaker 3: ran to a neighbour's home to call the fire department,
Speaker 3: but got no response. Another neighbor further away saw the
Speaker 3: blaze and called from a local tavern, and after getting
Speaker 3: no response as well, drove into town and tracked down
Speaker 3: Fire Chief F. J. Morris, who then had to call
Speaker 3: everyone else individually to assist in the emergency. Basically, Fayetteville
Speaker 3: and the nineteen forties in general, were simply not prepared
Speaker 3: for any kind of rapid response. Betty, Jenny, Lewis, Martha,
Speaker 3: and Maurice that I make it, did not make it
Speaker 3: out of the house as the fire engulfed. The fire
Speaker 3: department reached the sader for resident around eight am, and
Speaker 3: by then the house was smoldering and in ashes. It
Speaker 3: took roughly forty five minutes for the fire to consume
Speaker 3: the house from the starting point. The remaining family members
Speaker 3: could do nothing but stand and watch the flames and
Speaker 3: hope to see one of their children try climbing out
Speaker 3: of a window, but none never did. After a cursory
Speaker 3: investigation of the ashes, both firefighters and George Sowter himself
Speaker 3: could not find the remains of the supposed dead children.
Speaker 3: Here is the mystery of the tale. Many people, including
Speaker 3: and especially the Solters, believe that their children are missing,
Speaker 3: that their missing children are just that missing, not dead.
Speaker 3: The details of the suddenly non functioning trucks, odd phone calls,
Speaker 3: and missing ladder started to look suspicious. I'll be honest,
Speaker 3: the mystery stays mysterious due to the point where most
Speaker 3: people now believe that they must have died in the fire.
Speaker 3: It's been that long, but a few outlets over the
Speaker 3: years have kept the story alive, as well as the Solders,
Speaker 3: and I'll get into those details right now. So the
Speaker 3: official cause of the fire was faulty wiring, despite the
Speaker 3: fact that George had the whole house rewired a few
Speaker 3: weeks earlier when installing a new stove. The Solders were
Speaker 3: a respected family in the community. In George's trucking business
Speaker 3: led to a lot of unfamiliar faces. In late fall
Speaker 3: of nineteen forty five, they were visited by a traveling
Speaker 3: life insurance salesman and were warned that the house will
Speaker 3: go up and smoke. The warning felt more of a threat,
Speaker 3: especially since George was famously anti Mussolini in a time
Speaker 3: when communities were divided by the war. Yeah, he was
Speaker 3: famously like you would anti dictators right. A man solictening
Speaker 3: for employment also warned Joy about the house when noticing
Speaker 3: the wiring. There were strange and unconfirmed reports of people
Speaker 3: seeing a man in his car watching over the house
Speaker 3: weeks before the fire. Here's another one. A maybe different
Speaker 3: man was seen skulking around the house a day before
Speaker 3: the fire. So this is from the Sunday Gazette mail
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty eight. Quote. During the fire, a man
Speaker 3: was seen stealing a block and chain from the sawter's garage.
Speaker 3: When later charged with crime, he also with the crime.
Speaker 3: He also admitted to cutting the sawder's electric line. He
Speaker 3: also never went to trial. Missus Sower said he probably
Speaker 3: snipped a telephone line by mistake, and said we never
Speaker 3: could have gone out of there alive if the lights
Speaker 3: had been cut unquote, so the lights stayed to live.
Speaker 3: This guy tried to cut the line thinking it was
Speaker 3: a power line. He cut the telep phone line instead.
Speaker 3: And this guy's again you never want to try. You
Speaker 3: just admitted to the theft. But that's all he was
Speaker 3: charged for. Was theft, not murder, nothing like that. He
Speaker 3: was trying to kill the whole family, correct, No, no one,
Speaker 3: I mean people if I thought that at first, but
Speaker 3: it was just no. He was just theft, that's all
Speaker 3: he was charged for. I don't even know the guy's name.
Speaker 3: Couldn't even get that anyway. Unquote Uh, that unnamed man
Speaker 3: was only convicted of theft, as I just said. As
Speaker 3: fire investigators later recanted the statement, saying that the cause
Speaker 3: of the fire was faulty wiring, so they took that away,
Speaker 3: the fact that the lights were stile on when the
Speaker 3: fire rage says that it's not the wiring. There is
Speaker 3: nothing concrete about what started the fire, however, the likeliest
Speaker 3: cause is that it was retribution against the solders for
Speaker 3: the politically hot views against the Italian dictator, and that
Speaker 3: the noise on the roof Jenny Hurd was an in
Speaker 3: sandiary device. Oh but no way to prove that, like
Speaker 3: a nake palm bomb. Yeah yeah, and the house I
Speaker 3: didn't mentioned as in the story, but the house was
Speaker 3: made basically out entirely out of wood ninety percent. Way yeah,
Speaker 3: but no bodies, right, So the Sawdas were grief stricken,
Speaker 3: but continue their search for the missing children. Jenny and
Speaker 3: George were convinced wholeheartedly that their children were still alive.
Speaker 3: A few months before the incident, a fire consumed the
Speaker 3: home and the seven people living in it like a
Speaker 3: different family. Their bones were discovered, no problems. Yeah that's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so quote. Jenny couldn't understand how five children could perish
Speaker 3: in a fire and leave no bones, no flesh, nothing.
Speaker 3: She conducted a private experiment burning animal bones, chicken bones,
Speaker 3: beef joints, pork chopped bones to see if the fire
Speaker 3: consumed them. Each time she was left with a heap
Speaker 3: of charred bones. She knew that remains of various household
Speaker 3: appliances had been fired in the burnt out basement, still identifiable,
Speaker 3: and employee at a crematorium informed her that bones remain
Speaker 3: after bodies. Bones as I remained after bodies are burned
Speaker 3: for two hours at two thousand degrees. The family's house
Speaker 3: was reportedly destroyed in just forty five minutes. So yeah,
Speaker 3: this and other reasons kept the family going, kept the
Speaker 3: hopes up. Witness reporting came in in waves over the years.
Speaker 3: One woman reported seeing the children in her diner the
Speaker 3: morning after in Charleston, which is about an hour away.
Speaker 3: A week later, the police received this statement from a
Speaker 3: Charleston hotel patron. The children were accompanied by two women
Speaker 3: and two men, all of Italian extraction. I do not
Speaker 3: remember the exact date date, however, the entire party did
Speaker 3: register at the hotel and stayed in a large room
Speaker 3: with several beds. They registered about midnight. I tried to
Speaker 3: talk to the children in a friendly manner, but the
Speaker 3: men appeared hostile and refused to allow me to talk
Speaker 3: to these children. One of the men looked at me
Speaker 3: at in a hostile manner. He turned around and began
Speaker 3: talking rapidly in Italian. Immediately, the whole party stopped talking
Speaker 3: to me. I sensed that I was being frozen out,
Speaker 3: and so I said nothing more. They left early in
Speaker 3: the next morning. That was her statement that billboard I
Speaker 3: mentioned at the top of the story kept the tragedy
Speaker 3: of live for decades and led to much false hope.
Speaker 3: A conversation overheard in a Texan bar a possible relative
Speaker 3: in Florida, a convent in Saint Louis, and others. In
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight, the Sauders received a photo postmark from
Speaker 3: Kentucky of a man that looked remarkably like Lewis, who
Speaker 3: was nine years old when he disappeared. Sending a private
Speaker 3: investigator yielded no result whatsoever. The investigator didn't come back.
Speaker 3: Spribalism and nefarious. I could keep I could keep detailing
Speaker 3: thread after a thread of leeds, but the ends will
Speaker 3: remain untied. The Solters vowed to continue the search until
Speaker 3: their deaths, which they did. George died in sixty nine
Speaker 3: and Jenny in eighty nine. And eighty nine was the
Speaker 3: final year. Was the year that the billboard was finally
Speaker 3: taken down. Wow, So when all the way up to
Speaker 3: late nineties eighty nine, well, yes, and Sylvia, who turned
Speaker 3: out to be the last remaining you know, the youngest,
Speaker 3: became the last remaining Solder family member. She stayed around
Speaker 3: that area too, in that house.
Speaker 1: I think she's still around.
Speaker 3: All She did a memorial and you know, and she
Speaker 3: did a memorial thing, something memorialized any right down she's
Speaker 3: remembering it. She did a memorial in two thousand and
Speaker 3: ten or something. Oh well, yeah, something like that in
Speaker 3: her seventies, wow about her missing sibling and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But like that was it. Italians could hold a grudge.
Speaker 3: There's some grudging people. And this is people people easily forget.
Speaker 3: And you know, we're coming back on those times right now,
Speaker 3: but people easily forget about World War Two is that
Speaker 3: it wasn't so black and white. We a lot of
Speaker 3: people had different opinions of what we were doing over there.
Speaker 3: Of course, people loved those dictators as much as they
Speaker 3: hated them. They if they weren't loved, they wouldn't be dictators,
Speaker 3: right yeah, or they didn't have defense, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: So like I can see an Italian community be torn
Speaker 3: apart by this Mussolini guy. But for sure, for example, I.
Speaker 1: Just I think, okay, crematorium versus like a house fire,
Speaker 1: right like, right when you cremate a body, that's.
Speaker 3: Gotta be burning.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know what the temperas are,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's gotta be burning hotter than a house fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But you know, since it's been so long that
Speaker 3: people just assumed there was the fire and they just
Speaker 3: missed it.
Speaker 1: Just zero evidence.
Speaker 3: There is a lot more people. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: details to this case. I mean, we could really make
Speaker 3: a whole thing out of it, but they really need
Speaker 3: nowhere And I just I gave you the best topic there.
Speaker 3: But so I felt like it's about one incident, it's
Speaker 3: not about multiple murderers or you know, it's not. I
Speaker 3: feel like it will be boring for the staytail the
Speaker 3: whole thing. But they had a fire marsh go through
Speaker 3: it and they're like they were trying to explain it away,
Speaker 3: but that they felt more like they just wanted to
Speaker 3: stop working it more than it is, Like yeah, but
Speaker 3: then why would they want to take five of the kids.
Speaker 1: For what purpose?
Speaker 3: Well, this is all just off the side of my head,
Speaker 3: but because a lot of people go crazy, SHD so
Speaker 3: him and he put this in there because it's just
Speaker 3: so far fetched. But I'll put it in there and
Speaker 3: I'll take you now. Is that George the father and
Speaker 3: his second oldest who went to war, the only one
Speaker 3: that wasn't at home that night they had a row
Speaker 3: about Mussolini, really enough of a row where like like
Speaker 3: they were they were not they were you know, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't trying to say like they were separate. They were
Speaker 3: just not to get not family anymore like that, like
Speaker 3: that big of a row about it. That's what I
Speaker 3: felt like. And the kid went off to finding World
Speaker 3: War two. I don't know the situation with the kid,
Speaker 3: as far as I know he lived. He people were
Speaker 3: saying that he came back because the war had ended
Speaker 3: a few months prior. He made himself in time to
Speaker 3: come back and took as many of his siblings as
Speaker 3: he could, like away from his father who had the
Speaker 3: wrong politically. A lot of people were saying that, But
Speaker 3: it's so far fetched.
Speaker 1: You know, I've never believed that strongly in anything.
Speaker 3: Dude, I know people really go for it. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: have friends also that are really strongly believers and things.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you have that kind of energy.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, exactly, and especially today.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but like I don't know how they have
Speaker 3: such But that's a different story. And the other times
Speaker 3: that they were like all these people that were seen
Speaker 3: around the house could attribute to like a kidnapping, you know,
Speaker 3: a grandeur extent canap as many as possible, or and
Speaker 3: or the kids were trying to get away. Maybe they
Speaker 3: heard something outside and that's what the doors were open
Speaker 3: when Jenny woke up at night saw everything opened. Maybe
Speaker 3: the kids were already gone, so when the fire started,
Speaker 3: the attic was already empty. Oh you know, that's why
Speaker 3: that's part of the timeline.
Speaker 1: That's the that's.
Speaker 3: The best timeline, right, that's why the timeline works that way.
Speaker 1: Well, depending what happened to the kids, then I guess.
Speaker 1: But yeah, surviving.
Speaker 3: And the initial and there was a few little discrepancies, like,
Speaker 3: for example, George Sotter said initially when the when the
Speaker 3: fire department first arrived at the scene, that he had
Speaker 3: tried to go upstairs physically to the attic to get
Speaker 3: his children, but it was like the fires, you know,
Speaker 3: burned them too much and he just couldn't do up.
Speaker 3: And then later said that he just yelled up to
Speaker 3: them because the fires were already raging, and didn't mention
Speaker 3: that he went up. He was just confused in the moment.
Speaker 3: Small decrept you know. It's little things like that interesting.
Speaker 1: And so the mystery is still indoors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, and everyone's sad basically, so.
Speaker 1: Just people like us keeping it alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, So those are the four stories. I
Speaker 3: was struggling between three longer ones or maybe adding a fifth.
Speaker 3: The Black Stain could have been extended to feature more
Speaker 3: eyewitnesses reporting and a lackluster but relevant news article of
Speaker 3: the black goo in other countries, though unconfirmed, unconfirmed. That's
Speaker 3: the problem. Unconfirmed. That's why I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I like that it wouldn't have I don't
Speaker 3: think it would have popped as much if I if
Speaker 3: I added those in there. The Solders has so much information,
Speaker 3: but since there's so miniscule and procedural, and the fact
Speaker 3: that they lead nowhere, it stayed my hand from writing more. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I could see a Netflix miniseries or a David Fincher
Speaker 3: movie about it in the future more than a bigger story.
Speaker 3: The Red Rains of Kerala has a lot of scientific information,
Speaker 3: but felt they would get boring, and The Wedge of
Speaker 3: biod barely has anything at all. Really, the fifth story
Speaker 3: that didn't make the cut became so interesting that I
Speaker 3: decided to make it a feature in the future, like
Speaker 3: a bigger deal.
Speaker 1: Do you want to give us a hint?
Speaker 3: Nope, fuck you. What I thought was a story about
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, here's the clue. I did write a clue
Speaker 3: in here, what I thought was a story about serial
Speaker 3: killer sisters with old and unverifiable information turned out to
Speaker 3: be much bigger than anticipated. So I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 1: For a later time serial killing sisters.
Speaker 3: I like it very good.
Speaker 1: I like the I like the you know, I kind.
Speaker 3: Of dig the short story format, right, I kind of
Speaker 3: like that. I think you can cut you away faster, cut
Speaker 3: to the main things faster, without feeling like they need
Speaker 3: to explain too much, as long as there's a somewhat
Speaker 3: decent flow of what you want to show, like establish
Speaker 3: the mystery, how what where? You know? Yeah, maybe some
Speaker 3: of these because I've had some of these in my
Speaker 3: in my notes apped for a long time, but I
Speaker 3: know they went nowhere because it's it's too short.
Speaker 1: Right, and we're I mean, what do we do? We
Speaker 1: do two hour episodes with twenty something paid scripts and
Speaker 1: months of research.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's good man. I kind of dig it.
Speaker 1: I might I might try to put something together like
Speaker 1: that one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh we can team up in the same episode
Speaker 3: two whatever that you do? Well, that's too much, but
Speaker 3: you know whatever, three and three two? I like it, well,
Speaker 3: very good, Thank you.
Speaker 1: That was fun. Good for Halloween. You know, I forgot
Speaker 1: to mention I'm gonna maybe I'll talk about this in November.
Speaker 1: But myself, my wife, and our cousins Korlando and Bonquequi,
Speaker 1: Jenny and Corey, we're going to a lecture in October,
Speaker 1: a serial killer lecture by doctor Scott Bond, and he
Speaker 1: interviewed and writes about all these famous serial killers, for example,
Speaker 1: Rex Hureman and serial Killer. So I should have some
Speaker 1: good notes from that lecture, and maybe I'll talk about
Speaker 1: that in the November's episode.
Speaker 3: Please I want to know more about that for October.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited about that. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Should we jump on our broomsticks and fly on out
Speaker 1: of here?
Speaker 3: Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 1: Happy Halloween listeners.
Speaker 3: Why didn't it be you know that costumes for all
Speaker 3: fucking shapes?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know, like companies know how fat America is, and
Speaker 3: we're not that fat. I mean, I know we're overweight,
Speaker 3: but we're not that overweight, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're I think Americans.
Speaker 3: What do you want to xl at most?
Speaker 1: No too, you too?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't know that. Oh yeah, I really
Speaker 3: bad at noticing these things.
Speaker 1: Good. That's maybe that means I'm not following a part
Speaker 1: as much as I thought.
Speaker 3: Like, I would never describe it that game. Hey, I
Speaker 3: hear you. I hear you talking about Jay. Can you
Speaker 3: describe him for us? I want to buy true XL fat.
Speaker 3: At least I don't say that.
Speaker 1: It's I carry it out.
Speaker 3: I always say he's a short Italian here, Yeah, my
Speaker 3: short Italian with some gray.
Speaker 1: And over the last like maybe two months, I started
Speaker 1: putting it back on. I'm really upset myself. I was
Speaker 1: doing so well.
Speaker 3: Putting what back on. Wait, it's a constant battle, dude,
Speaker 3: it is a constant battle.
Speaker 1: I was working out and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I stopped. Like I don't know why I stopped.
Speaker 3: Dude, that same problem I fucking have. I fucking have
Speaker 3: too man Like I try to get in a rhythm,
Speaker 3: I just start getting into the rhythm. I don't know
Speaker 3: for what reason my body decides to forget. I know
Speaker 3: what working out is, and like, oh it's been two days,
Speaker 3: Like what I skip two days?
Speaker 1: I don't know what I know. I'm the same way
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: It's some sort of self defense thing that makes me
Speaker 3: want to be lazy. It's so it's so dumb. Humans
Speaker 3: are dumb. We're dumb. Yeah, I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, oh, I know, And don't worry. If
Speaker 1: we finish early, I'll probably go get taco bell and
Speaker 1: watch TV before I fall asleep.
Speaker 3: And then you would think the body would want to.
Speaker 1: Naturally be healthy. Your body would your body.
Speaker 3: Our bodies got used to not doing it. That that's
Speaker 3: the default position I was working out against the type.
Speaker 3: Isn't that horrible? It's fucking horrible.
Speaker 1: I know. I got to get back into it, especially
Speaker 1: now because I already have a travel on the books.
Speaker 1: I have to be in Cleveland middle of the month.
Speaker 1: I leave on Katie's birthday, which I feel horrible, so
Speaker 1: it's more closer to the end of the month. But
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm worried, like nothing's gonna fit. I
Speaker 1: have to go get new clothes. And I was just
Speaker 1: doing so well all my clothes fit. Now a lot
Speaker 1: of my clothes don't fit again. It's just constant fucking
Speaker 1: back and forth. Many I think Tealia is leaving. I
Speaker 1: think she's going by her friend.
Speaker 3: What's his name? Her is her Oscar Ashley Joe Jamie.
Speaker 1: Her name is Josie.
Speaker 3: You were close to Josie. Those are also androdging his names. Yes,
Speaker 3: they could be a boy or a girl.
Speaker 1: I like, we like Josie.
Speaker 3: She's I was trying to scare you. He failed.
Speaker 1: Life of Chuck do we talk of phenomenal? I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote a movie. Yeah, I know, I wrote a movie,
Speaker 1: like one of the best dance scenes I think I've
Speaker 1: ever seen.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would say that my biggest my biggest grite
Speaker 3: A couple of grapes. But one of them is that
Speaker 3: not enough of Chuck and that age, Like we get
Speaker 3: so little of him as a child, no as an adult.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 3: Really just got the dance sequences and just a few
Speaker 3: flashes of him being terminal, and that's really et.
Speaker 1: So no middle aged Chuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the actor Tom Middlson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you don't really see Chuck until it's
Speaker 1: already going downhill.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah right, and again very little. We don't see
Speaker 3: the wife either that much, which I figured you would
Speaker 3: think it might be important part of his life. Yeah, true,
Speaker 3: mm hmm. But yeah, but I really like I gave
Speaker 3: it four stars. It was great. I loved it. I
Speaker 3: was like, yes, so Life from and Shad Good. It's good.
Speaker 3: I love the opening. I love the first chapter because
Speaker 3: it's like a cool like almost like a sci fi mystery,
Speaker 3: like what's what's happening? What's going on? That's great. I
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't know the story, so it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I saw it in theaters. It was great. It was
Speaker 3: the only one in that theater. Really, it happens a lot. Wow,
Speaker 3: that happens a lot.
Speaker 1: Is that a Stephen King thing or no?
Speaker 3: It's probably like awareness of that movie. It was maybe
Speaker 3: like the advertisement budget of that thing was maybe like nothing,
Speaker 3: you know, compared to like Weapons of the Long Walk
Speaker 3: they had trailers for in all streaming sites like one that,
Speaker 3: like those movies trailers everywhere. Ye, awareness is that's why
Speaker 3: I advertising Cosa likes one hundred million in something.
Speaker 1: They're they're making a new another one of the short stories.
Speaker 1: I think it's from the same book that Life of
Speaker 1: Chuck was in, called Rats. That'll be cool.
Speaker 3: Oh. I love the ghost song.
Speaker 1: Yes, Rats.
Speaker 3: That reminds me there's another King moll be coming out
Speaker 3: this year. The Running Man. Isn't that his? No? Wait
Speaker 3: is it his?
Speaker 1: I think it is?
Speaker 3: It is right? The Running Man is this year. I
Speaker 3: think it is. And that's made by the guy Edgar Wright.
Speaker 1: So, hey, Siri, fucking suck.
Speaker 3: I hate I never use it.
Speaker 1: Alexis so much better. Hey, Siri, did Stephen King write
Speaker 1: The Running Man? The Running Man was written by Stephen E.
Speaker 3: Desuza. Stephen Desuza, Okay, so I'm not Stephen King.
Speaker 1: Who is? Stephen Desusa is an American screenwriter, producer.
Speaker 3: And direc So it's an original screenplayer. I guess original.
Speaker 1: Siri, who wrote The Running Who wrote the book The
Speaker 1: Running Man? Hello?
Speaker 3: I could have found this out by now right.
Speaker 1: I thought, for a moment I thought Stephen King was
Speaker 1: involved in Yeah, by American writer Stephen King. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: under Richard Bachman in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying Stephen King wrote the original screenplay,
Speaker 3: but he wrote the story.
Speaker 1: That the story, okay, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: That's coming out this year as well. And that's also
Speaker 3: another big temple blockbuster hit or release. No shit, is
Speaker 3: you gonna watch that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I never read the book so well with Yeah, have
Speaker 3: you seen The r All the movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, No, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't really, Yeah, I thought you would have.
Speaker 1: I don't think I did. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: seen Superman. You're right, Yeah, that's all that.
Speaker 3: No, it's good, is it good?
Speaker 1: I'm kind of over the whole superhero thing. No, I
Speaker 1: get it, like even the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3: Like in that case, don't watch it, don't even don't
Speaker 3: even worry about it. But it is like my favorite Superman.
Speaker 1: And see that's what a lot of people are saying.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a good.
Speaker 3: It's just my favorite Superman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've heard Fantastic four is actually really good.
Speaker 3: My favorite. Well it is my favorite. I mean the
Speaker 3: bar is lower because all Fantastic Four movies suck, unlike
Speaker 3: Superman Superman movies. So yes, it is the best Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3: But the floor is really low, so it was easy
Speaker 3: to beat the riot. You know, it's me, but it's
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 1: Though. I didn't see Pedro Pascal, but if.
Speaker 3: It was one or the other, I would recommend.
Speaker 1: Superman Superman over there. Yes, okay, I heard the end
Speaker 1: credit scene is a big doozy and uh fantastic Fantastic No, No, okay,
Speaker 1: not that I remember. Now, I haven't seen anything. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: It's maybe I just forgot. Maybe it's better than I
Speaker 3: think it was.
Speaker 1: Is this the one that silver surfers in?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yes, that I forgot her name?
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah that girl from Ozark. Yeah, and from
Speaker 3: weapons and from weapons, that's right.
Speaker 1: Was she a good silver serf? Well, I'm sure she
Speaker 1: should talk, right, the silver serf does talk?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she talks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was it cool? It is cool?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's cool. I mean you still have
Speaker 3: to it's an alien in silver with a surfer with
Speaker 3: a surfboard. I mean, yeah, so that's ridiculous already, but like, yes,
Speaker 3: it's great, it's cool.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I mean, she serves lava at some point. It's kind
Speaker 3: of fun. Oh wow? How was Galactus awesome? I read
Speaker 3: the Douglactis. Some people had like weird problems with him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, he was bad ass and gigantic and
Speaker 3: scary and kind of he's a planet here and you
Speaker 3: actually see him eat a planet, which I never assimulate before. Cool.
Speaker 3: I think from start to finish. It's not like he's
Speaker 3: preparing a meal, but like you see the how he
Speaker 3: destroys planets, it's kind of cool. I figured, like I
Speaker 3: got my, got my and yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 1: Isn't somewhere in like d C history the Silver Surfer
Speaker 1: was female at one point. Well, it's his takes on
Speaker 1: different forms.
Speaker 3: Well, I think they cast it at a female for
Speaker 3: this story, for the emotional plot thora that involving invisible
Speaker 3: woman in the movie, because she's pregnant in the movie.
Speaker 3: So there's like a I won't pull it just because
Speaker 3: of that. I think that's why they made it, made
Speaker 3: her a woman. But also they could do any They
Speaker 3: can gender band anything because of the different universe. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, you know, or they never even thought about it,
Speaker 3: because who cares, right, It's like making that character from
Speaker 3: thor black when he's supposed to be white. Who cares right?
Speaker 1: I don't even know which one.
Speaker 3: Yeah you just Elba played a character played the guard. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that guy, and back then in two thousand and ten,
Speaker 3: eleven whatever, people got up in arms about that because
Speaker 3: he's like, you're supposed to be white. I'm like, who
Speaker 3: gives a shit?
Speaker 1: Like yeah no, But I thought it was like some
Speaker 1: canon in DC Lord that there was either the Silver
Speaker 1: Surfer takes on different forms or it was actually a
Speaker 1: woman at one point in the comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess in this case, they're saying that Service
Speaker 3: Server was always a woman in this sense, like she
Speaker 3: doesn't transform to different genders. I mean, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I see. Yeah, I thought they were going more back
Speaker 1: to like source material because of the way that the
Speaker 1: thing looks.
Speaker 3: No, as far as I know, in the in the
Speaker 3: comic book, Surface Server was always male. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: as far as I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then yeah, that's cool. Yeah. And then how about
Speaker 1: Alien Earth?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you saw Finite Yeah, yeah, I loved it
Speaker 3: so much. You can show dude. I'm so glad you
Speaker 3: liked this still, because I was worried you might hate
Speaker 3: it because like it ends on a big cliffhanger. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean obvious, but I think it's always like it's
Speaker 3: always better to end the show wanting more, of course,
Speaker 3: but like also you and the show not by saying
Speaker 3: what the hell is gonna happen? Is like, Okay, we're here,
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen next?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I like that feeling more. I feel like I felt
Speaker 3: that way they caught They caught everyone, put him all
Speaker 3: in a cage.
Speaker 1: Yeah cool, But still the technacal monster is out there
Speaker 1: walking around.
Speaker 3: He's got to give you on the eye. And the
Speaker 3: other one too. The other one too, the one that
Speaker 3: venus fly trap that killed that one girl just ate
Speaker 3: her uphole, So that thing is still out there. That's
Speaker 3: two of them.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah, because they contained.
Speaker 3: But we know that that the the Wendy and her
Speaker 3: gang are safe from most of the creatures. Only only
Speaker 3: the flies, right, Only the flights for sure eat metal
Speaker 3: and I don't know how they survived, but yeah, only
Speaker 3: they are danger to them. So far, we don't know
Speaker 3: what the Eye can do yet. Remember in the very
Speaker 3: first episode, it tried to go and kill absorb itself
Speaker 3: into one of the androids. Yeah, I did to that
Speaker 3: little girl, the cycle one, the psychle what's her name,
Speaker 3: nibs Nis. Yeah, right, that's that's why she got so
Speaker 3: scarred up and she got PTSD and started going crazy
Speaker 3: because the I went after her when they were first
Speaker 3: in the ship when they crashed into the city. So
Speaker 3: that implies that either the Eye doesn't know that it
Speaker 3: can't assimilate to an android or it knows they can
Speaker 3: in it in right, So that's possibly two creatures. I
Speaker 3: can attack androids, but most of them are meat eaters
Speaker 3: and would just ignore.
Speaker 1: Them, right, now we're watching one called Task with.
Speaker 3: I've seen Task. I'm caught up. I saw that.
Speaker 1: It's fun, is it?
Speaker 3: It's a fun Yeah, it's a fun. We're like, it's
Speaker 3: a fun dad show. It's a dad show, dead show.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, what's his name, the main guy.
Speaker 3: It's a Ruffalouffalo. Yeah, Ruffalo is just like from a
Speaker 3: sad dad cop. He's a sad dad cop said that
Speaker 3: who was a priest, who was a priest. On top
Speaker 3: of it, it doesn't even get more dead than no, no,
Speaker 3: because not you know, that's a really rare combination.
Speaker 1: You know, he's from here, right, like Ruffalo is from
Speaker 1: like down the street?
Speaker 3: Oh, or like you, oh, here in this state in Kenosha. Oh okay.
Speaker 3: I was like, he's not from the here that I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's from Kenosha.
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying that. My here is Chicago. Oh I
Speaker 3: don't know, funk about cans fuck your town. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You still see his family name on buildings and stuff
Speaker 1: they have, like Ruffalo's pizza and ship like that. That's
Speaker 1: his family.
Speaker 3: Oh oh did they have that established beforehand before, like
Speaker 3: they've they've been big or people are using his name
Speaker 3: to like spout, you know, more important. They've been like
Speaker 3: a staple in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Have you generation?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good food good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have like a hair studio, and do they
Speaker 3: have something called the ruffalo Buffalo sauce or something that
Speaker 3: would be good? Come on, how do you not.
Speaker 1: That would be good? I am gonna pat I'm gonna
Speaker 1: market that shrip or likefalo, you.
Speaker 3: Know those ruffle ships like Ruffalo ruffles, like chips, there's something.
Speaker 1: Come on, have you started drinking a ready?
Speaker 3: Come about to? Oh my god, good times. I also
Speaker 3: saw him last night that football horror movie Oh with
Speaker 3: the with the Marlon Wayans.
Speaker 1: It looks fucking brutal.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's definitely. I mean it's brutal and like
Speaker 3: in a very male heavy like like that. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't know it really. No, I didn't
Speaker 3: like it that much. But it's cool stuff though in it,
Speaker 3: Like there's some cool shit in it. But I feel
Speaker 3: like the movie should be like either forty minutes cut
Speaker 3: or like just about something else entirely.
Speaker 1: It's something cool visuals man, but like, no, the movie
Speaker 1: is chaotic.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even know what it is. Really. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: didn't social commentary. Well, the way I described it to
Speaker 3: my brother or no, somebody, it was, it's like black
Speaker 3: Swan for men. He's in the movie black Swan. Interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Now black Swan's better, I think because it does have
Speaker 3: a point and knows where it's going. But like, but
Speaker 3: like imagine black Swan but for men in the sense
Speaker 3: like all the precious involved in this very particular kind
Speaker 3: of sports, which is ballerina and there's football, and like
Speaker 3: how male dominated it is. How you know, it has
Speaker 3: all that stuff in it that's kind of fun and interesting,
Speaker 3: But the movie goes crazy Bonker's places in the third
Speaker 3: act that I'm like, why, like why why? But maybe
Speaker 3: you'll love it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, be about something else.
Speaker 3: I can see people loving it. It just wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: Well, I like I like Marlon Wayane's Oh.
Speaker 3: No, he's great in it. No, he's he's good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a good actor in it for sure. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna say. I also saw fourteen o eight for the
Speaker 3: first time. Oh wow, Yeah, I hadn't seen that movie before.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like John Cusack So he's a weird actor.
Speaker 3: He can he can do anything. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: we're starting with those rom coms. And then he'll do
Speaker 3: being John Makovich and be like a weird sleeve ball.
Speaker 3: Oh right, and then he'll do like the Raven. He'll
Speaker 3: play Edgar Allen wagon Alan Paul looking for a serial killer.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you doing? John? And then you'll
Speaker 3: be a serial killer and girls point like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're seeing girls.
Speaker 3: Point horset point blank. He's like an assassin, not a
Speaker 3: serial kill. He's an assassin cool, like a hired head man.
Speaker 1: What about the one where he was like, was it
Speaker 1: wasn't him? Who was like twenty different people? Yes?
Speaker 3: Uh that identity?
Speaker 1: I did it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like that.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 3: Also, that's not another horror movie that.
Speaker 1: He was in the nineties Q sack Man.
Speaker 3: And I'm just saying, you take decades of him. He's
Speaker 3: completely different, roles, completely different.
Speaker 1: What was the big one?
Speaker 3: One Crazy Summer from like early eighties? Oh that one,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh you gotta know that.
Speaker 1: One Crazy Summer's girl classic.
Speaker 3: Now I saw a bunch of eighties but not not
Speaker 3: all of them. Wasn't he in never mind? Something bad? Influence? No,
Speaker 3: was he No, I wasn't. Maybe that was James Pader.
Speaker 3: I was confusing with James Peter in eighties.
Speaker 1: But it was huge.
Speaker 3: How wonder how old he is right now? I mean
Speaker 3: he's like, he's like a little older than you.
Speaker 1: I'd say sixties.
Speaker 3: Okay, I gonna ask Siria again.
Speaker 1: Hey, Siri, how old is John Cusack? Fifty nine?
Speaker 3: Okay, see, nothing's close on your age, so not not
Speaker 3: close to my age, pretty close. So when went aha,
Speaker 3: I'm like, uh huh, like gets annoyed that you're calling her.
Speaker 3: That was funny.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of her.