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Speaker 2: Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Brett Ford. Brett,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time. Brett,
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I currently live in Ontario. My wife's family
Speaker 1: is all from Cornerbrook, Newfoundland. And yeah, I'm a business owner,
Speaker 1: I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a spiritual coach, so I do
Speaker 1: quite a few things. I've got three kids, and yeah,
Speaker 1: this adventure where my experience came in was last summer,
Speaker 1: in the summer twenty twenty five, and we were on
Speaker 1: a family trip. So that's yeah, that's where we'll start
Speaker 1: our off today.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the fact that you were on a family
Speaker 2: trip when you had that dog meaning encounter and it
Speaker 2: wasn't just some run to the mill place. It was
Speaker 2: in Newfoundland. Did that wind up ruining your vacation.
Speaker 1: For us? No, it was actually Again, I know many
Speaker 1: people's experiences have been quite different. But for us, it
Speaker 1: was my son and I that saw these dogmen. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we were just driving, so I wasn't out and I
Speaker 1: didn't necessariyly feel you know, it's kind of something from
Speaker 1: my perspective, I was able just to kind of work
Speaker 1: through and it certainly didn't ruin our trip. No, not
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank goodness. We're in Newfoundland. If you can tell
Speaker 2: us did that encounter happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm actually on the on a map right now,
Speaker 1: just so again I can try to describe it as
Speaker 1: best I can. So we came in via the port there.
Speaker 1: It's about six seven hour ferry ride, and we came
Speaker 1: in about Port of Baskus, So that's where one of
Speaker 1: the there's about two ferries. One goes to the west
Speaker 1: side of the island and one goes to the east.
Speaker 1: I think there may be more, but those are the
Speaker 1: two main ones. So because my wife's family's in Cornerbrook,
Speaker 1: you know, it's about a three hour drive from Port
Speaker 1: of Baskus, So we got in and the night night
Speaker 1: ship and yeah, we started driving up through Port of
Speaker 1: Bass through Saint Andrew South Branch all the way up.
Speaker 1: I believe it's the trans Canada Highway and or the
Speaker 1: Newfoundland part of it anyways, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: would say it happened before Stephenville. There's an exit for
Speaker 1: Stephenville that before you go to Glance and up to Cornerbrook. There,
Speaker 1: I would say it probably happened somewhere. Again, it was
Speaker 1: late at night, so between one and two am, I
Speaker 1: want to say, we were heading this way, so it
Speaker 1: kind of happened. Yeah, between North Branch and Stephenville is
Speaker 1: kind of the area that we saw the encounter.
Speaker 2: So dog men are in a lot of different places,
Speaker 2: but Newfoundland that's not exactly on the top of the
Speaker 2: list of places i'd expect and eyewitness to see one.
Speaker 2: But like I said, they are all over so you
Speaker 2: really never know where you're going to see one. Before
Speaker 2: we go any further. Bred said that, I'm sure there
Speaker 2: are a lot of people listening who have no knowledge
Speaker 2: whatsoever of what Newfoundland's all about. Please give us an
Speaker 2: education on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Newfoundland is I believe the largest island. It's
Speaker 1: off the east coast up past Canada. So if you
Speaker 1: if you are from the US, you know you've got
Speaker 1: Maine and then it's New Brunswick and then kind of
Speaker 1: Nova Scotia and then Newfoundland. Now it is Newfoundland and Labrador.
Speaker 1: It is one province, so we call them provinces and
Speaker 1: not states. But yeah, so it's all one base. So
Speaker 1: it's basically just a large island. We have again another
Speaker 1: large island on the opposite side, Vancouver Island. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because like I didn't expect it, you know, and
Speaker 1: about one hundred years ago, I think there may have
Speaker 1: been wolves on the island, but there are no wolves
Speaker 1: on the island. There's you know, there's caribou, there's moose,
Speaker 1: there's black bear. I think there may be links. I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure, but there's certainly no wolves that that
Speaker 1: I'm aware of, And you know, it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's just a beautiful area. There's certainly
Speaker 1: differences on the island, like the west side island tends
Speaker 1: to have more snow in the wintertime and the east
Speaker 1: side is a little bit more calm but very foggy.
Speaker 1: So there is really only one main road across the island,
Speaker 1: and it takes about six hours from corner Brook to
Speaker 1: Saint John's I think, so it's about nine ten hours
Speaker 1: across the whole island. If you're driving, you're you lined
Speaker 1: up through Gander and some other places. But it really
Speaker 1: is just a beautiful part of Canada. You know, there's
Speaker 1: rock faces, there's many lakes everywhere. There's it's it's surrounded
Speaker 1: by the ocean, so there you know, the ocean on
Speaker 1: all sides of it. You know, there's lots of fishing there,
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the main industries, fishing and
Speaker 1: forestry and some of the other things. Lots of people there.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been like the typical job market there, so lots
Speaker 1: of people end up traveling for work. They might go
Speaker 1: up to Alberta or wherever to get stuff. But it's
Speaker 1: certainly a place that is slowly developing. The two main
Speaker 1: areas I want to say are Corner Brook and Saint John's.
Speaker 1: You know, usually people end up living in one or
Speaker 1: the other, at least when you think of the island.
Speaker 1: Those are the two main places there across the island.
Speaker 1: What's actually interesting about Newfoundland is it was where certainly
Speaker 1: a bunch of Native people there. My wife's Native, I'm Native.
Speaker 1: We're both different, different clans and different tribes there. But
Speaker 1: the Vikings actually landed there and they mixed with the
Speaker 1: local people. So that was one of the first points
Speaker 1: that people ever came from with the Vikings land it
Speaker 1: on the island, and yeah, ended up mixing with people,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of history there too. Also, the
Speaker 1: furthest point in uh in North America is on in
Speaker 1: on the island near Saint John's there. I believe it's
Speaker 1: called It's near There's it's the easternmost point of Canada,
Speaker 1: so it's Cape Spear and there's a really cool historic
Speaker 1: site there and and had some World War two military
Speaker 1: bases and things, and I know that also, I believe
Speaker 1: America has some some military operations there as well as
Speaker 1: Canada of course. So it's you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: very beautiful. There's lots of big pine trees, it's the
Speaker 1: land is ancient, it's rocky, it's it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's when you think of being out in the wilderness,
Speaker 1: that's like, that's probably one of the most ideal places
Speaker 1: to think of, whether it's that or Alaska. That's the
Speaker 1: one of the eastern sides of the island. It's it's
Speaker 1: very humbling because there's lots of souls that have been
Speaker 1: lost in the sea out there. There's lots of again
Speaker 1: ancient it's ancient land, right, It's it's lots of lots
Speaker 1: of people have been there through through life, and it's
Speaker 1: just certainly a cool place you ever get a chance
Speaker 1: to visit. Everybody's so kind and just wonderful, wonderful group
Speaker 1: of people. So, yeah, great place to be.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of biased. You described it as being a
Speaker 2: beautiful part of Canada. I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 2: any part of Canada that I don't think is beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly, certainly very you know, the whole country
Speaker 1: is beautiful. I mean, even America is beautiful. There's so
Speaker 1: there's so many different places across Canada and the US
Speaker 1: that well, and across the world, Like there's it's hilarious
Speaker 1: because there's little pockets, you know. It's like you can
Speaker 1: drive you know, anywhere from five five to ten hours
Speaker 1: and you're in a totally different place. Right, So it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool to see at least, you know, if you
Speaker 1: love the water and you love you know, the forest
Speaker 1: and you love being out in nature, that's a great
Speaker 1: place to be, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it'd be a great place to visit,
Speaker 2: So maybe someday I can make it there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: How much of you and your wife talked about the
Speaker 2: dog meme that you and your son saw, I.
Speaker 1: Would say just a little bit, Like my wife is
Speaker 1: very practical, and again I think going between it all
Speaker 1: like she knows who I am, she married me, she
Speaker 1: loves me. But I think that when we're dealing with
Speaker 1: cryptids or any sort of entity that really isn't human
Speaker 1: and certainly not you know, classic animal, you kind of
Speaker 1: it's not that you you have to allow yourself to
Speaker 1: have a belief because if you don't have usually and
Speaker 1: I'll say this, because sometimes this stuff will pop up
Speaker 1: and you don't have a belief and then it's like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's not what I was expecting. Whether you know, but
Speaker 1: certainly if you're open to experiences, they can they're more
Speaker 1: likely to happen. And sometimes that happens with you just subconsciously.
Speaker 1: You might be open to something and it happens. So
Speaker 1: I would say, we told her about the event, but
Speaker 1: you know, she kind of she didn't. It was nothing,
Speaker 1: no sweat off her back because it didn't affect her
Speaker 1: in a negative way. And you know, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: until after the experience that I was able to like
Speaker 1: think through it and let my son kind of talk
Speaker 1: through it and you know, just be open and about
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And again, I'm much more open
Speaker 1: and receptive to everything from ghosts to cryptids. So it's
Speaker 1: it's not it's not far outside of my lane for
Speaker 1: what I do. So I would say that again, we
Speaker 1: just had had a brief talk. And you know, as
Speaker 1: long as as long as I'm not to going too
Speaker 1: far off the deep end in terms of allowing myself
Speaker 1: to live in that all the time, then it's easier
Speaker 1: to manage. I think a lot of times. And you know,
Speaker 1: saying this with with all the love I can, I
Speaker 1: think that many of us could certainly get trapped in
Speaker 1: a in a place where that becomes our only focus.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously this is something that you do,
Speaker 1: and it's wonderful to have this because it is needed
Speaker 1: because people don't know where to take their experiences, whether
Speaker 1: and even the military, you know, whether it was aliens
Speaker 1: or not. You know, pilots have these experiences and they
Speaker 1: don't know where to take that stuff. And so it's
Speaker 1: so important that we have these channels, but we'd also
Speaker 1: don't want to get lost in it, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't want to let it. You know, if you've had
Speaker 1: a negative experience, or if you've had a neutral experience,
Speaker 1: even it's it's it's okay to go and process it
Speaker 1: and it certainly will change you, but you still have
Speaker 1: to like live in the world, you know, and it's hard.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's important to have groups because when
Speaker 1: you can talk about things that with people that understand it,
Speaker 1: you can allow yourself to heal through your you know,
Speaker 1: potentially negative experience and also then process it and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I still also have a job to go to on Monday, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think it's important to just kind of
Speaker 1: have a balance and be able to look at things
Speaker 1: both logically and with emotion and with like an open
Speaker 1: mind and just kind of allow it all to be
Speaker 1: what it is. And like, I truly believe that each
Speaker 1: experience has something to teach us. And again, whether it's
Speaker 1: been a negative experience for some or a positive for others,
Speaker 1: or or a neutral experience. I don't think these dogmen
Speaker 1: are here for no reason. I think everything kind of
Speaker 1: has a place, and if they if you've been uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to say just fortunate, because again,
Speaker 1: some people have negative experiences, but if you've been, if
Speaker 1: you've had an experience, it just changes you. I think
Speaker 1: I think that most people would say that they've you know,
Speaker 1: when you see something for the first time. Again, I
Speaker 1: had a I had a ghost experience, and it was
Speaker 1: the very first time I actually physically saw one, and
Speaker 1: and and it just kind of is like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's more than meets the eye. It's like the crows
Speaker 1: that are beautiful birds in different different wavelengths and different spectrums, right,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're open to that stuff, there's there's
Speaker 1: just more to the world. And but you also have
Speaker 1: to you know, you have you have a very practical life.
Speaker 1: So I like to kind of take the supernatural as
Speaker 1: well as the practical and kind of find that nice
Speaker 1: sweet middle ground where you can honor the experiences and
Speaker 1: also live your life, because again, you can get lost
Speaker 1: in one of the other you know, you can get
Speaker 1: lost in a practical experience where you have no magic
Speaker 1: in your life, no, you know, and you're just being
Speaker 1: a drone on autopilot and just like, what's your life?
Speaker 1: Meant for, or you can go the opposite way and
Speaker 1: just live in imagination land and live in a place
Speaker 1: where you don't feel ever connected to anybody around you
Speaker 1: because you're just so gone. And so that's why I
Speaker 1: think integration is so important with any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, again, my wife's a little bit different, but yeah,
Speaker 1: my son and I were able to talk through it
Speaker 1: and it was worked out well for us.
Speaker 2: So, you saw a ghost, you saw a dog man.
Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest reasons why you're still
Speaker 2: so well adjusted after having those experiences is the fact
Speaker 2: that you're so open minded. I think that's great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people like you when you have an experience, it's like
Speaker 2: seeing a dog mean or seeing a ghost. When you
Speaker 2: have a mindset, when you have a paradigm like what
Speaker 2: you do, that just helps so much. It really does.
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Speaker 2: give us server less detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so again we were driving through you know, Port
Speaker 1: of Masks up through towards Stephenville and eventually Cornerbrook there
Speaker 1: and it was late at night. Again, when you get
Speaker 1: into Port of Bass is really kind of there's a
Speaker 1: there's an eerie sense there, right, because it's it's it's
Speaker 1: the first point on the on the island. It's it's
Speaker 1: the entry points. So the way start crashing against the rocks.
Speaker 1: It's all pitch black. So when we get off, it's
Speaker 1: like you don't know where to go at first, and
Speaker 1: so you're just kind of following the car in front
Speaker 1: of you because you're you're on a boat with a
Speaker 1: big you know, a bunch of cars. So it's nighttime.
Speaker 1: It's not like being in a big city. There's not
Speaker 1: lights everywhere, so you're really beholden to to you know,
Speaker 1: just nature and the cars in front of you. And
Speaker 1: so you kind of get on this one lane road
Speaker 1: and you're going there's this again Portbasses little town. So
Speaker 1: there's you know, some homes and there's gas station, but
Speaker 1: you have to fill up on gas because you might
Speaker 1: go an hour or two without seeing a gas station, right,
Speaker 1: so we you know, we made sure to get gas.
Speaker 1: And I'd say it's probably eleven o'clock at night at
Speaker 1: this point, twelve o'clock at night, and and so we
Speaker 1: just start following the car in front of us, and yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going. It's it's pitch black. So if you can imagine,
Speaker 1: it's basically a two lane highway, but then there's a
Speaker 1: so every once in a while there's a passing lane
Speaker 1: that comes up and it kind of alternates, so on
Speaker 1: your side, when you're driving on the right side of
Speaker 1: the road, an extra lane will come in so then
Speaker 1: you can pass. Because there's big trucks, this is really
Speaker 1: the only lane for most of the trucks to get
Speaker 1: to bring stuff the goods around the entire island. So
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's transport trucks and whatnot, and they're hustling.
Speaker 1: They need to get to where they're going. But it's
Speaker 1: it's nighttime, so you know, once in a while you
Speaker 1: can pass somebody, or sometimes even the trucks are going
Speaker 1: so fast that you might let them pass you. So
Speaker 1: we're driving and you know, the lanes are alternating, and
Speaker 1: it's just late at night and we're just going and
Speaker 1: and we're fortunate, you know. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: it sound stereotypical, but it was kind of like a
Speaker 1: really bright night out for us. There was I don't
Speaker 1: think it was a full moon, you know, for you know,
Speaker 1: you know, a classic werewolf story or anything, but certainly
Speaker 1: the moon was bright enough that it was giving some
Speaker 1: good light off. And so when you're driving here, you
Speaker 1: have to think of all these big, beautiful trees. You
Speaker 1: have to think of all these big, gorgeous evergreen trees.
Speaker 1: And so when you have the two lane and it's
Speaker 1: three lanes a lot of the way because of that
Speaker 1: alternating lane, and so as you're going it kind of
Speaker 1: opens up. Sometimes it's a little bit narrower and the
Speaker 1: trees are right by the highway, and other times it
Speaker 1: kind of opens up and there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a ravine on the edges of the side, and then
Speaker 1: there's kind of a tree line there. And again, because
Speaker 1: it was a bright night when we were out in
Speaker 1: those kind of more open areas, so there'll be trees,
Speaker 1: there'll be a bunch of trees, and then they'll be
Speaker 1: kind of open planes and then there'll be like little
Speaker 1: lakes and little things all around. And there was lots
Speaker 1: of reds and yellows and greens kind of colors all
Speaker 1: aroun around. You know.
Speaker 3: It was a.
Speaker 1: Summertime and we were going We were driving in our
Speaker 1: little Ford Explorer here. It's a wonderful car. I actually
Speaker 1: like it a lot. But we're going down and my
Speaker 1: you know, we've got all the luggage in the back.
Speaker 1: We've got luggage on the top, and my one son
Speaker 1: is in the very back, and my daughter's in the
Speaker 1: in her car seat on the side, and my other son,
Speaker 1: who's who's twelve at the time, he's sitting in the
Speaker 1: right hand seat behind the passenger where my wife was sitting.
Speaker 1: I'm driving, and my wife and my daughter and my
Speaker 1: other son were asleep, so they're all kind of just sleeping.
Speaker 1: You know. We got a couple hours to get there.
Speaker 1: So my other son, my son that saw the dog
Speaker 1: man with me, was was awake, and so he's just
Speaker 1: looking out the thing, you know, he's looking out the
Speaker 1: window and we're driving and we're going down. I'd say
Speaker 1: we we had already kind of we had been jostling
Speaker 1: with some trucks for a little bit a time, and
Speaker 1: then I was finally like, all right, these guys really
Speaker 1: are hustling. They need to get where they're going, so
Speaker 1: I let them pass on this lane highway. And so
Speaker 1: it's just us now. We're you know, once in a while,
Speaker 1: you know, every probably ten minutes or so, you might
Speaker 1: see a car come in the opposite direction. But we're
Speaker 1: kind of alone out here. We're driving outside of the
Speaker 1: cars that got off the boat that decided to take
Speaker 1: one of the motels. You know, we're one of the
Speaker 1: only cars on the roads outside of the big trucks.
Speaker 1: So we're going and again, it's it's about one in
Speaker 1: the morning at this point, and my son says, hey, Dad,
Speaker 1: do you see that? And I was like no, and
Speaker 1: so but then I look in the rear view mirror. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I look over to my right. My wife's still sleeping,
Speaker 1: so I see her, and I see in the rear
Speaker 1: view mirror, I see this creature. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: a little bit of experience, like I know what a
Speaker 1: bear looks like, I know what a black bear looks like,
Speaker 1: I know what animals look like. Spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time in woods in different places, and I see this
Speaker 1: creature and I was like, okay, this is you know,
Speaker 1: slightly bigger than a black bear. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: on all fours. And now again I'm seeing this in
Speaker 1: the rear view mirror. My son got a really good
Speaker 1: look here, and I've seen this in the rearview. He's like,
Speaker 1: what is that?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: You know, and it's like it starts to stand up,
Speaker 1: and it stands up from it was kind of on
Speaker 1: all fours and then it slowly kind of stood up
Speaker 1: and and it's you know, it's it's on the side.
Speaker 1: We're going about i'd say eighty kilometers an hour maybe
Speaker 1: actually I guess we're probably doing almost one hundred, so
Speaker 1: that's about eighty you know, what is that? I think
Speaker 1: about eighty miles an hour. Anyways, we're going pretty fast,
Speaker 1: but then you know, it's not not too fast, you know,
Speaker 1: for the for the highway, but it stands up. So
Speaker 1: as it's standing up, I'm like, oh my god, Like,
Speaker 1: that is definitely not a bear. It's kind of slender,
Speaker 1: so definitely, you know, it's it's kind of it's like again,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like almost looking at a wolf and
Speaker 1: a bear. Mixed and a person mixed because it's it's
Speaker 1: it's like it's slender on the bottom and it kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it looks very muscular. I don't
Speaker 1: know if any of you have seen the Harry Potter
Speaker 1: where Wolf it kind of it kind of had a
Speaker 1: little bit of that body, but then there was more
Speaker 1: hair to it. It was just this one was more slender.
Speaker 1: We ended up seeing too, but I'll go into that later.
Speaker 1: And so it stands up and it's it's kind of up.
Speaker 1: It has like a you know, a certainly a face.
Speaker 1: Now I'm watching this happen. I swear to god it
Speaker 1: was slow motion because I'm watching as we just passed it,
Speaker 1: and it's in my rear view mirror, and it like,
Speaker 1: you know, objects in mirror a closer than they appear, certainly,
Speaker 1: And it stands up and it's it's black, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's black. It's you know, there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of gray to it, but it's mostly black. It's it's
Speaker 1: got the you know, it looks athletic. It's it's like
Speaker 1: an athletic dog. I don't know what to say. It
Speaker 1: was like a dog man, right, And so it stands
Speaker 1: up and it looks and it's looking at our car.
Speaker 1: It certainly saw us. And you know, my son's got
Speaker 1: his head to the door or the window and he's
Speaker 1: like twisted his head around and he's looking at this
Speaker 1: thing and he's like, oh my god, like what is
Speaker 1: this right? And it kind of had the glowing eyes.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, like okay, it's the eyes
Speaker 1: aren't actually glowing, of course, but it had like yellowish
Speaker 1: white kind of eyes and it was just there and
Speaker 1: it's it's looking at us. It definitely, you know, is
Speaker 1: making a itself known that it was there. Obviously, it
Speaker 1: didn't start chasing us or anything. It was just it
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, like I'm wanting you to see
Speaker 1: me again. It was It was weird because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, at first thought, I'm thinking a black bear,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, why is this thing standing up? And
Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, this certainly isn't a black bear.
Speaker 1: It's it's in the ravine, right, so it's down kind
Speaker 1: of we're on a two lane right now, and so
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of space between it and the
Speaker 1: tree line and it's kind of down and it had
Speaker 1: just kind of walked down and then it stands up
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, okay, that's again, that's not a person,
Speaker 1: that's not a bear. That's something I haven't seen where,
Speaker 1: you know, the Explore mirrors aren't like too small at all.
Speaker 1: Like I saw it pretty well in the mirror, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's weird. And my son's getting a
Speaker 1: real nice look at this thing, and he's like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's a were wolf right, And obviously not quite but
Speaker 1: today it's like, oh, Dad, is that a were wolf?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? And I'm like I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to make of it in that moment. So we're
Speaker 1: we're still driving here, okay, me and my son now
Speaker 1: begin to talk about what we just saw. We're past
Speaker 1: it by now. It wasn't like a terrifying experience. It
Speaker 1: was something I was just kind of in shock. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, if a whale comes up out
Speaker 1: of the water and you see a whale, you'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh wow. But you know, if like a spaceship comes
Speaker 1: out of the water, you'd be like, oh wow, like
Speaker 1: what am I seeing here? So it's kind of that
Speaker 1: feeling like something different, something outside of the normal. I
Speaker 1: could see it really well, even in the rear view,
Speaker 1: because it was so you know, again, if it's like
Speaker 1: a three quarter moon or something. It certainly it was
Speaker 1: the the moon was out enough and that we were
Speaker 1: able to see this thing well enough that I wouldn't say, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't have passed it off as something else. Now,
Speaker 1: what made me truly believe wasn't again this was It
Speaker 1: was the next experience that I'll go into after. But
Speaker 1: so me and my son are talking about it, you know,
Speaker 1: we're like, what what just happened? He's like, Dad, did
Speaker 1: you see that? I was like, yeah, like holy cow.
Speaker 1: Now we kind of wake my wife up a little
Speaker 1: bit and like, mom, did you see that? It's like no, what?
Speaker 1: Like what? What was just like an animal, you know,
Speaker 1: like a dog man thing? It was like werewolf. It
Speaker 1: was like no, like and anyway, she went back to sleep,
Speaker 1: so she wasn't really shoot. You know, everyone's tired. It
Speaker 1: was a long trip from our house. It's about twenty
Speaker 1: two hours, so you know, we we had had we
Speaker 1: had already gone, we had slept overnight somewhere, so we're
Speaker 1: about ten hours into the next day journey at this
Speaker 1: stage or you know, closer to twelve probably hours. So
Speaker 1: she's tired. Certainly I was tired too, but I was
Speaker 1: hopped up on energy drinks. You know, I got to
Speaker 1: drive my family safely, so I'm not I'm not letting myself.
Speaker 1: I've had enough experience through delivery driving that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to uh not be awake, right I had.
Speaker 1: I even at points I cracked the window and I
Speaker 1: was put my hand out and I, you know, I
Speaker 1: just keep myself awake because you know, I got to
Speaker 1: get my family there safely. So know, now we're reved up.
Speaker 1: Me and my son are like, holy cow. So we
Speaker 1: start talking back and forth. We're like, you know, what
Speaker 1: did you see? You know, wow, that was crazy. He's
Speaker 1: like like, Dad, I just you know, we just saw
Speaker 1: this and and it was a kind of a cool
Speaker 1: experience because again we had never experienced anything like that before.
Speaker 1: And you and I were able to talk about it
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, again it was it was like it
Speaker 1: was very athletic. It was black hair, it had kind
Speaker 1: of glowing like eyes. I call them glowing because they're
Speaker 1: just bright. You know. It was like it was hard
Speaker 1: to mistake, very wolf like snout. There were Again, there's
Speaker 1: parts of it. You know, if I think of a
Speaker 1: you know, a van helsing where wolf, it wasn't like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like huge bulky upper. It was you know,
Speaker 1: I had a bigger upper, but it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was it was it was very slender, but you know, muscular.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's tribes in different countries in the
Speaker 1: world that you know, run a long way. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you know, if I compare a bodybuilder to one
Speaker 1: of those people from the tribes, it would be more
Speaker 1: like the person from the tribe because they're just super
Speaker 1: athletic people, right, very slender, able to go long distances.
Speaker 1: This kind of body was built for that, certainly able
Speaker 1: to maneuver long distances. So we keep going here, right,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about this, and i'd say twenty minutes pass,
Speaker 1: we're starting to calm down again. My son's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll talk about this again tomorrow, and so he,
Speaker 1: you know, starts to kind of drift off again. It's
Speaker 1: it's about one point thirty at this point in the
Speaker 1: in the night, or I guess in the early early morning.
Speaker 1: And so why I keep driving. You know, the kids
Speaker 1: are all asleep, and next thing you know, in the
Speaker 1: we're in a very similar place, but it's you know,
Speaker 1: quite a ways up the road now again even closer
Speaker 1: to the Stephenville and we're on the TransCanada Highway. So
Speaker 1: we're going i'd say it's about three lanes. At this point.
Speaker 1: Some trucks had passed us again some you know, there
Speaker 1: was kind of one on me for quite a while there,
Speaker 1: and it was so it was i would say it
Speaker 1: was the truck itself had just kind of gone gone
Speaker 1: far off ahead, maybe about four hundred meters ahead of me,
Speaker 1: and so it was way up there, but you know,
Speaker 1: it was going and so then again I'm kind of
Speaker 1: here alone. We're about to go around a bend kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So there's lots of like kind of twists
Speaker 1: and turns, but a lot of you know, there's some hills,
Speaker 1: we're going up and down different places, but in this
Speaker 1: part we were coming to kind of a left handed
Speaker 1: turn and again on the side, we were fortunate at
Speaker 1: this point. I'm kind of glad in some ways because
Speaker 1: if it was right on the tree line, you know,
Speaker 1: ten meters from my car, be you know, feeling a
Speaker 1: little bit different, but it was again on the right
Speaker 1: side of the vehicle and I'm looking out ahead, and
Speaker 1: on the right side there's again a kind of a clearing.
Speaker 1: There's no there's not really a ravine this time, but
Speaker 1: there is a small hill, just a small little hill
Speaker 1: that's like a rounded hill, so it's not like a
Speaker 1: flat like drop off. It's just like a small little
Speaker 1: like incline. And then there was also on the right
Speaker 1: hand side, there was before that hill there was kind
Speaker 1: of just an open area, so the hill kind of
Speaker 1: went around, and then there's a bunch of trees kind
Speaker 1: of you know, on that hill. And then on the
Speaker 1: right side there's an open field and then some like
Speaker 1: a little pond like it's just a couple of little
Speaker 1: like pond type things. And then there's like space here.
Speaker 1: So this is where there's kind of open space. And
Speaker 1: again there's kind of some little there's a little we
Speaker 1: call them mountains, but there are nothing like the rockies,
Speaker 1: but they're certain like there's some big ones of course,
Speaker 1: so you know, you're kind of going through, which is
Speaker 1: also another beautiful part of Newfoundland. Uh you're going through,
Speaker 1: and so in the in the distance there's more trees,
Speaker 1: of course, but you know, right on this little mound,
Speaker 1: as it's going up to the tree line, don't I
Speaker 1: look out the front window, of the front right window,
Speaker 1: and I see another dog man. And this was the
Speaker 1: first time. And my son's asleep at this point. I
Speaker 1: wake him up right after, but my a, as I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here, I see this dog man, and at this
Speaker 1: point I know, I'm like, this is a thing. This
Speaker 1: is definitely what we saw earlier. It's not the same one.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually got a little bit of white
Speaker 1: on it. And it is black again, but it's got
Speaker 1: some white. It's not gray and black like the other one.
Speaker 1: It's more, it's more it's it's a different one. And
Speaker 1: another reason why I knew it was a different one
Speaker 1: is because it was standing. It's funny because it was
Speaker 1: almost like there's a scene in Underworld where I think
Speaker 1: in the fourth one, if any of you watch Underwall,
Speaker 1: you must like like wear wolf movies, But there's a
Speaker 1: scene in that where the wolves. It wasn't the one
Speaker 1: with Kate Beck and Sales one right after it's like
Speaker 1: the prequel and they kind of slink back into the
Speaker 1: forest like they they move back even in the first one,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a shot of after Selene gets the
Speaker 1: guy Victor, the wolves kind of slink back into the shadows. Well,
Speaker 1: this is kind of how it felt. It was like
Speaker 1: right on the shadow line. It's standing right beside these trees,
Speaker 1: right between them. It's very at this point, it's very
Speaker 1: much making itself known to me. And it is different
Speaker 1: than the other one. It looks more or it has
Speaker 1: more of an energy of one of like the leaders,
Speaker 1: if you will, of seemingly a clan of these things.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's bulkier up top. It's not as slender
Speaker 1: as the other one. Uh. If if I was to
Speaker 1: describe them, the other one would be more like a scout,
Speaker 1: and this one's kind of like more of like a
Speaker 1: you know. It definitely had the energy of like I'm
Speaker 1: in charge and I'm making myself known to you. So
Speaker 1: it's there and it's sitting or sorry, it's not sitting,
Speaker 1: it's standing up, and and I'm looking at this thing
Speaker 1: and we kind of lock eyes right again. It had
Speaker 1: This one had actually as funny, this one had less
Speaker 1: yellow eyes than the other one. It had more white
Speaker 1: white eyes almost. It was weird because it's almost like
Speaker 1: there's I don't know how to describe this, because there's
Speaker 1: almost like a humanness to it. But again, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it was definitely a dog man, but it was it
Speaker 1: was very much like its eyes were able to speak
Speaker 1: to me, if that makes any sense. It was able
Speaker 1: to like communicate to me through it through its gaze.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny. Right now, I have a
Speaker 1: poster in my room, I mean, my my basement office
Speaker 1: right now, and we have a I have a beautiful
Speaker 1: wolf and it's just it's in this like stare and
Speaker 1: it's just kind of staring at me and that and
Speaker 1: it's funny because I never thought of this. This is
Speaker 1: exactly how that that a dog man looked at me.
Speaker 1: And on the poster says in wildness is the preservation
Speaker 1: of the world. And in this moment, when I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this dog man, I'm getting this sense.
Speaker 3: Of I, you know, we're aware of you, we're here,
Speaker 3: we're looking at you, and and uh uh yeah, so
Speaker 3: it was there.
Speaker 1: It's it's bigger, it's bulkier up top, it's more got
Speaker 1: kind of more of that almost like a bodybuilder look.
Speaker 1: But again, it's very it's still slender. It's like it's
Speaker 1: still very athletic. It's nothing like you know, it's not
Speaker 1: like a huge, bulking beast like you know, like Eddie
Speaker 1: Hall or anything like that. It's it's just it's a
Speaker 1: little bit bulk. You're up top certainly again has that
Speaker 1: very commanding presence, and it's looking at me and it's
Speaker 1: got it. You know. I don't know how to describe it,
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's not got its hand us on
Speaker 1: a hips or anything. It's not one of those funny memes.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just there looking at me. But
Speaker 1: it's looking at me intensely, right, It's it's looking at
Speaker 1: me with just a feeling of I'm witnessing you, I'm
Speaker 1: watching you, I'm we're aware of you. And I had
Speaker 1: never experienced anything like this. Again, I had just probably
Speaker 1: i'd say about six months prior to this experience, I
Speaker 1: had experienced my first ghost experience, and so this was
Speaker 1: kind of like that happening again in a way, because
Speaker 1: it was very much like, Okay, this is something I
Speaker 1: have to get used to. These are real things that
Speaker 1: are out here. Again. I didn't even think dog men
Speaker 1: at the time. Like I was. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously in that in that moment, I wasn't thinking dogmen.
Speaker 1: But then immediately after I'm like, oh, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a that was a dog man. That's what that was.
Speaker 1: But what was interesting is because I had never I
Speaker 1: you know, I had after this experience, I looked up
Speaker 1: and I looked and I said, you know, are there
Speaker 1: really dog men in this uh in this area? And
Speaker 1: and I didn't think there was. For the longest time,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think there really are dog
Speaker 1: men in Newfoundland. But I guess, like anything, you know,
Speaker 1: if if there's packs of them, they they move around.
Speaker 1: Certainly it's an island that's locked off from regular land,
Speaker 1: so there there has to be some sort of I
Speaker 1: don't think they're not the type of like we're going
Speaker 1: to stow away on a ship and get here. This
Speaker 1: is very much like I I do believe that cryptids
Speaker 1: have access to other uh you know, kind of dimensions
Speaker 1: if you will, or you know, able to kind of
Speaker 1: go in and between that, because there'd be no reason,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't think they were always
Speaker 1: on the island. If you will, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: they're there it's kind of more of a newer thing,
Speaker 1: or maybe you know, maybe there has been. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the actually reasons why I'm on this show
Speaker 1: right now, is because I had looked up, you know,
Speaker 1: and I found a gentleman that was on the island
Speaker 1: that had you know, Seen three and he was on
Speaker 1: your show. And so that's that's why I even contacted you,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like, Okay, somebody else had this
Speaker 1: experience on the island. Uh, this must be a thing.
Speaker 1: They must be here, whether they were here before or
Speaker 1: you know, the whole time, or if you know, it's
Speaker 1: more of a newer occurrence. It certainly they're there now
Speaker 1: looking at this thing and seeing it. It's pretty you know,
Speaker 1: it was pretty tall, certainly bigger than me. I'm about
Speaker 1: five eleven and a half, you know who call six feet.
Speaker 1: I guess it seemed it seemed like it was bigger
Speaker 1: than me. If I was outside and not in a
Speaker 1: car driving at you know, sixty seventy miles an hour,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that I would have felt a little bit
Speaker 1: more intimidated, especially at you know, one p thirty two am.
Speaker 1: But in this moment, I didn't feel that sense of intimidation.
Speaker 1: I felt like more of like a reverence almost for
Speaker 1: these creatures. Again, I know a lot of people have
Speaker 1: had a lot of different stories, but this is just
Speaker 1: the way I felt in that moment. Because for me,
Speaker 1: with some of the work I do, I'm a spiritual
Speaker 1: life coach. On the side, I'm also a just an entrepreneur, right,
Speaker 1: so do I do? Lots of I have businesses, practical
Speaker 1: businesses too, So again I have to kind of be
Speaker 1: able to merge both the worlds. But in this I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like a sense I'd like to have one
Speaker 1: or two. I'd like to have two confirmations of something
Speaker 1: and so if they are connected to that somehow. This
Speaker 1: was certainly the second confirmation for me that I needed
Speaker 1: to be like, Wow, Okay, this is something, what is
Speaker 1: this about? What is this moment for? And again, if
Speaker 1: I was outside at you know, two in the morning,
Speaker 1: I certainly probably would have been a little scared. My
Speaker 1: son probably would have been a little scared. You know,
Speaker 1: when there's a being that you know could mess you up,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's sasquatch or anything. You know, even
Speaker 1: if even if you're just around somebody that has a
Speaker 1: sword or something you know you're going to feel a
Speaker 1: sense of intimidation because you don't know somebody's or anything's intentions.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel a sense of like fear from the intentions. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm very good at reading people either, even if they're
Speaker 1: in the room with me. I you know, I like
Speaker 1: people or I don't, just based on their energy. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but most of the times I'm pretty spot on.
Speaker 1: And so this wasn't that at all, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: feel that, but it was definitely like this is our
Speaker 1: land situations. It would almost be like if you were
Speaker 1: to be you know, Christopher Columbus coming across or one
Speaker 1: of the vikings coming around you see a bunch of
Speaker 1: natives standing on the side with weapons and they're like
Speaker 1: they don't know, and you don't know. That's kind of
Speaker 1: how it felt. In a way. It's like we're just
Speaker 1: in each other's world, in each other's lane, and we're
Speaker 1: knowledging each other, and so it's like, Okay, what is this?
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of how it felt. But again,
Speaker 1: if I was outside with the thing, I may have
Speaker 1: felt a lot more intimidated from the experience. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd say again, the moon's going again, it felt like
Speaker 1: time was slow. I was able to really pick up
Speaker 1: on the features, kind of like the claw like hands.
Speaker 1: It's funny because the feet are very much more like
Speaker 1: like kind of like it's up on its back legs.
Speaker 1: It's very much like a dog dog legs. And then
Speaker 1: you go up the body. Now I didn't notice any
Speaker 1: tail or anything like that. Maybe I wasn't looking, but
Speaker 1: I didn't notice like massive, you know, like a tail
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But as we're going up its features,
Speaker 1: it's very athletic, you know. I did see some you know,
Speaker 1: just slenderness in there, and then the upper body was
Speaker 1: very bulky. But then hand the hands interesting because they're
Speaker 1: not you know, they're not human hands, and they're they're
Speaker 1: they're like dog feet, but they're they're like more I
Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it. I guess it's more
Speaker 1: like they're they're almost it's almost like they're able to
Speaker 1: use them in a way that you know, if if
Speaker 1: a dog was standing up on a hind legs, it
Speaker 1: can't use its feet right, the feet just kind of
Speaker 1: flop down and it's other unusable. For for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: this dog man or then the other one even too,
Speaker 1: seemed like it had some ability to maybe utilize its
Speaker 1: hands in other ways. And that's I guess why they're uh,
Speaker 1: what's what's the word not bipedal, because that's too when
Speaker 1: they're able to go on stand up on their back
Speaker 1: legs and walk, or on all fours and walk, So
Speaker 1: there certainly has to be some ability there to do both. Uh.
Speaker 1: But they were definitely connected to each other. Again, from
Speaker 1: my experience, when I have anything happening in pairs like that,
Speaker 1: it was like a confirmation for me that they were
Speaker 1: trying to show themselves, you know, because if it had
Speaker 1: just been the first experience and just for you know,
Speaker 1: primarily for my son, and like when I seen it
Speaker 1: in the rear view, it's like, okay, that's something I
Speaker 1: kind of you know, turn my head a little bit
Speaker 1: and I see it. It's like, okay, that's something, you know,
Speaker 1: I might be able to chalk that up to this
Speaker 1: is just a random event. But in this experience, it
Speaker 1: was a very much a confirmation for me that there
Speaker 1: were two and that they were trying to reveal themselves
Speaker 1: to me. And then after that I didn't wake my
Speaker 1: wife up at this point, it's again very late but
Speaker 1: I woke my son up, like I saw another one.
Speaker 1: I saw another one, buddy. He's like, no way, no way, Dad,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. He's like, what did it look like? And
Speaker 1: so I'm telling him, and then you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: just wrapped up at this point because it was it
Speaker 1: was kind of a cool experience, especially if you're not
Speaker 1: afraid of it. In that moment. You know, I'm walking outside.
Speaker 1: It has no way to jump on me and eat
Speaker 1: me or anything like that. But yeah, so I'm just
Speaker 1: telling him, and then we kind of got to We
Speaker 1: kept driving, and I then start to tune in from
Speaker 1: a spiritual perspective on the whole thing, and yeah, so
Speaker 1: we get there and that was kind of the main
Speaker 1: encounterpoints for me. But again, it felt like time was slow,
Speaker 1: so I was able to like process it much quicker,
Speaker 1: if you will. And it felt like I was able
Speaker 1: to look at him for you know, forty seconds maybe
Speaker 1: almost like it felt like I was able to watch
Speaker 1: him for almost a minute. And I'm sure that it
Speaker 1: was only like a quick five, you know, ten seconds
Speaker 1: that I saw because as we approached, he's standing there
Speaker 1: making himself known because he moves out of the tree
Speaker 1: line and then he kind of moves back into the
Speaker 1: tree line as we're passing. So it was very much
Speaker 1: just a very cool and unique encounter and that was
Speaker 1: confirmation for me. And that was just me that saw
Speaker 1: that one. So I knew at that point like what
Speaker 1: we had seen earlier was certainly accurate and true, because again,
Speaker 1: I don't like to just believe my eyes all the
Speaker 1: time or believe my feelings all the time. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need confirmation, and that was definitely in it. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was our experience from that perspective.
Speaker 2: Isn't life exciting?
Speaker 1: Oh so very much?
Speaker 2: When you have experiences like what you did, it definitely
Speaker 2: does ref things up. You said they looked like a
Speaker 2: cross between a bear and a wolf. Did their heads
Speaker 2: look more beer alike or wolf like?
Speaker 1: For me? Like, they looked definitely more wolf like. I
Speaker 1: think the bear reference where it's like a cross between
Speaker 1: a bear, a wolf, and a man is more like
Speaker 1: they had kind of like almost you know how sometimes
Speaker 1: wolf for isn't like as thick this this fur on,
Speaker 1: especially the second one, seemed a lot thicker and the
Speaker 1: body like if it again, I know what a black
Speaker 1: bear looks like. I know it's late at night, but
Speaker 1: I'm already revved up at this point. I'm totally in
Speaker 1: the zone, just like feeling high on life and enjoying,
Speaker 1: you know, the drive, and being safe because I here's
Speaker 1: the other thing. When you're driving at night, especially in Newfoundland,
Speaker 1: especially in Newfouland, there are moose that will come out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and run in front of your car, and
Speaker 1: your whole family's dead, and we don't want that. So
Speaker 1: I'm very much on high alert, not in a bad sense,
Speaker 1: just I'm focused, right, I'm there. So I was able
Speaker 1: to look and this, Yeah, it just had a bulk.
Speaker 1: You're more of a black bear like upper body, I'd say,
Speaker 1: and then like kind of like a wolf like lower body.
Speaker 1: Again the pause were more wolf like. It would just
Speaker 1: I think where the bear cross comes in is just
Speaker 1: more of that. It certainly had more fur on this
Speaker 1: one on the top and just more of that thickness
Speaker 1: to it. So it just again it was a little
Speaker 1: bit different, but very much in the same kind of mindset,
Speaker 1: but very much a wolf like, you know, canine type head.
Speaker 2: There are places in Kentucky where the locals call the
Speaker 2: dog men beer rellas because they kind of look like
Speaker 2: a cross between a gorilla and a bear. Well, there
Speaker 2: are other places where people call them beer wolves because
Speaker 2: of the look that they have, where they look somewhat
Speaker 2: like a bear and they look somewhat like a wolf.
Speaker 2: So I think it's ironic that they're in Newfoundland. The
Speaker 2: two that you saw had that look that they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, that's how I would describe them. Certainly. Again,
Speaker 1: the one was a little bit more slender, but they
Speaker 1: just it's funny because it's when you're when you're thinking
Speaker 1: about I've seen a lot of were wolf movies and
Speaker 1: a lot of things over time, and it wasn't like
Speaker 1: a classic were wolf. Again, you have Underworld were wolves,
Speaker 1: you have Van Helsing were wolves, you have one of
Speaker 1: my favorites, dog Soldier wear wolves, and you know ginger snaps.
Speaker 1: You have all these different types of creatures and this
Speaker 1: kind of looked like a cross between some of them,
Speaker 1: and yeah, like bear like and also but then sorry,
Speaker 1: they also the the Harry Potter were wolf. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd say it's kind of a cross between that and
Speaker 1: a classic like were wolves. So yeah, very much like
Speaker 1: there was some bear features there too that you could
Speaker 1: argue that were there but again, these are dog mens,
Speaker 1: so it's a I think maybe like anything, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's and maybe this is something for the listeners
Speaker 1: and something for other people that have had these experiences.
Speaker 1: You know, how deer can be different in every different regions.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's kind of that going on as well, Like
Speaker 1: there might be different kind of dogmen in different regions.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's the case with a lot of cryptids,
Speaker 1: like they just you know, there's different types of orcas,
Speaker 1: there's different types of everything, So I'm sure that that
Speaker 1: might be a thing.
Speaker 2: All that definitely does hold true with dog men. To
Speaker 2: seeing the first one leave your son more excited or fearful.
Speaker 1: For my son, I think he like he takes after
Speaker 1: his dad, So I think it was like, WHOA, what
Speaker 1: did I just see? It was, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: because we're in a car going pretty quickly, and he
Speaker 1: was he was able to get a really good look,
Speaker 1: but it was like just something out of the ordinary, right,
Speaker 1: and so he was just more in shock and awe.
Speaker 1: Definitely not fearful, because this is again part of things
Speaker 1: that I'm into. Anyway. I never had these experiences before,
Speaker 1: but I had been over the last three years, really
Speaker 1: diving into the more spiritual side of things. This was
Speaker 1: for him and something where he wasn't afraid at all,
Speaker 1: and neither was I. But again, that may be different.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, if you're out in the woods
Speaker 1: by yourself and you feel like something is watching you,
Speaker 1: If you feel like it felt like something was watching me,
Speaker 1: and that's what made me look up in the first place,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I'm about to have another one of
Speaker 1: these experiences. And yeah, lo and behold you look up
Speaker 1: and I see this thing in the near the tree
Speaker 1: line for the second time. So my son, my son,
Speaker 1: definitely it wasn't a place of fear, but very much
Speaker 1: would have been different. I'm sure if we were outside
Speaker 1: with a thing.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure it would have too. Yeah. That changes everything,
Speaker 2: and it goes with us saying I'm so glad he's
Speaker 2: handling all this so well. Speaking of him, was he
Speaker 2: frustrated about not seeing the second one?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, he was. He was pointed, excuse me, he
Speaker 1: was very much disappointed in not seeing the second one
Speaker 1: like I had. It was. Yeah, I think that he would.
Speaker 1: He would have liked to see it. He's always trying
Speaker 1: to to have those experiences. You know, not that we
Speaker 1: were ever looking to have a dog man experience, but
Speaker 1: he likes the stuff as well, and I'm sure he
Speaker 1: would have liked to see the second one, especially after
Speaker 1: I described it to him.
Speaker 2: I figured it would be that way, but I thought
Speaker 2: i'd ask you to be thorough about that. Do you
Speaker 2: think you could have stopped the Explorer and had time
Speaker 2: to wake him up so we could have seen that
Speaker 2: second one instead of passing by?
Speaker 1: I think because it was so late at night. So well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going through my mind, right because as
Speaker 1: we're driving, you know, I've got to get to to
Speaker 1: you know, get us safely, and we've got probably another
Speaker 1: two hours to our destination at this point, because we
Speaker 1: weren't just going to Cornerbrook. We were going out to
Speaker 1: the to the cabin, which was but another fifty minutes out.
Speaker 1: So I it was already super super late. We already
Speaker 1: had such a long day. And again from a perspective
Speaker 1: of I didn't feel the need to stop, you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I should slam out my brakes. Holy cow,
Speaker 1: what is this? Because I felt like I was got
Speaker 1: a sense of the thing just through, just through like
Speaker 1: an intuition. If you will. And so it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: didn't feel like this is a moment to stop. And
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy because you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like you just saw a dog man. You know, for
Speaker 1: anybody else listening, I'm so sorry that I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's I've got my four year
Speaker 1: old daughter, you know, my seven year old son. Everyone's sleeping,
Speaker 1: my wife's sleeping. Uh. You know, it's kind of dangerous
Speaker 1: to stop. Also on the highway at night with all
Speaker 1: these big transports kind of coming through. There's moose everywhere,
Speaker 1: and you know, it didn't feel like the responsible dad
Speaker 1: thing to do, because let's say, you know, I got
Speaker 1: even thinking. You know, it's like if this is what
Speaker 1: I think it is, if this truly is a dog man,
Speaker 1: and and now I'm going to stop. It's not very
Speaker 1: far from the road, right, and they can move quick,
Speaker 1: you know, they they're not slow by any means. And
Speaker 1: so if I'm looking at this thing again, it's I'm
Speaker 1: coming up on I see out the right hand side
Speaker 1: of my front window. So as I'm driving closer, I'm
Speaker 1: going you know, again, about one hundred kilometers an hour,
Speaker 1: maybe ninety I definitely slowed down. I one hundred percent
Speaker 1: slowed down now that I'm thinking about it, But I didn't.
Speaker 1: There was no chance I was going to be stopping
Speaker 1: to to to see this thing, because again, if there
Speaker 1: is some sort of threat to it, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to put my family in that sort of danger. Right
Speaker 1: And and even though I like to think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I was having an intuition with it and it was
Speaker 1: there for for me and that, you know, my family,
Speaker 1: then it's I just I'm not gonna I'm just not
Speaker 1: going to do that. If it was just me in
Speaker 1: the car, or even me and my wife, yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably would have. Honestly, It's like I'd love to go
Speaker 1: h tornado watching, you know, to you know, be one
Speaker 1: of those people and just see that. I like to
Speaker 1: have those cool new experiences. I love that stuff, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put my kids in harm's way
Speaker 1: by any means. So that wasn't even thought honestly for me.
Speaker 2: Well, it's totally understandable. When you have all the considerations
Speaker 2: that you were dealing with, I can totally understand why
Speaker 2: you didn't stop. You said that the second one wasn't
Speaker 2: all that far from the road. How close would you
Speaker 2: say it was to the road at the closest point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the close point it stays so okay. So again,
Speaker 1: as we're going up, there's kind of a clearing and
Speaker 1: then the little like little kind of a hill, like
Speaker 1: a small hill. I'd say, if you're to stand next
Speaker 1: to this little hill, is a nice rounded hill. It
Speaker 1: would be about I don't know, six feet tall. It's
Speaker 1: not a huge hill, you know, maybe maybe eight feet tall.
Speaker 1: Not even a huge hill. It's like something you easily
Speaker 1: run up, right, It's it's it's like, you know, something
Speaker 1: you'd take your four year old on on a sled
Speaker 1: and you did go up and down a million times, right,
Speaker 1: it's not it's nothing crazy. And then on on the
Speaker 1: on the side with it was by the trees. So
Speaker 1: right there, right at the top of the hill is
Speaker 1: the little the trees. You know, it's kind of the
Speaker 1: trees kind of followed around and the hills kind of
Speaker 1: you know, like a little i want to say, like
Speaker 1: a half circle and then kind of goes back off
Speaker 1: into like the back trees and stuff. So as you're
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like in an if you're to put
Speaker 1: your hand your left hand on this like to your
Speaker 1: right side, and you put your thumb out in a
Speaker 1: ninety degree angle. That's kind of what it looked like, right,
Speaker 1: And as you put your hand on an angle, there's
Speaker 1: like a little hill up and then there's trees once
Speaker 1: you get to your finger point. And if you're to
Speaker 1: draw a line with your index finger from your other
Speaker 1: index finger and you follow the pattern in your hand
Speaker 1: and your and follow it down through to your thumb,
Speaker 1: that would be like the incline and then the way
Speaker 1: the trees kind of went on the top of the hill.
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of if you're again follow with
Speaker 1: your finger, it's probably at your first knuckle where the wolf,
Speaker 1: you know, the dog man was standing. And so I'm
Speaker 1: driving up to it. I see it at the right window. Again,
Speaker 1: it felt for me like it was more a minute.
Speaker 1: I'm probably driving. I slowed down a little bit, so
Speaker 1: I'm probably going about eighty kilometers an hour. Was that
Speaker 1: sixty miles an hour? Maybe fifty miles an hour, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, So we're going I would say, what are
Speaker 1: we dealing with? Feet here? I'd say it was about
Speaker 1: twenty meters away, so maybe about what's meters to feet. No,
Speaker 1: it's probably even close. Now, it's definitely even closer than that.
Speaker 1: It was pretty close. It was pretty close to the road. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you could if you're to put two cars between it,
Speaker 1: I'd say about maybe five five cars, not long ways,
Speaker 1: short ways. If you're to just park cars from the
Speaker 1: road all the way to the tree line, it's probably
Speaker 1: like five or six cars lengths. So what you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I know everybody's dealing with different measurements here,
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to just give a visual. Yeah, probably
Speaker 1: about five or six car lengths to the little hill
Speaker 1: and then the hill, this tiny, tiny little hill up
Speaker 1: and then there there it is right there. So as
Speaker 1: we're as I'm going here, it's it's pretty close to
Speaker 1: the road and we lock eyes. I'm in on this
Speaker 1: thing and I'm driving by, and it was so cool
Speaker 1: because as I start to drive by, I'll never forget it,
Speaker 1: like on the in the passenger window. I wish you
Speaker 1: know again, it's one of those moments I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can, I truly have a belief you can't
Speaker 1: sometimes actually pick these things up on camera like they're there,
Speaker 1: if there are dimensional beings or if they're you know,
Speaker 1: able to go between like sasquatch and all these other
Speaker 1: creatures that you know, are able to you know, become
Speaker 1: invisible if you will, or phase in and out of
Speaker 1: dimensional living. I don't think that you can pick them
Speaker 1: up on camera. I think that's why a lot of
Speaker 1: people have troubles getting them. It would be like you
Speaker 1: were taking a picture out the window of like a
Speaker 1: dog man, right and right in my face there and
Speaker 1: you know, my wife. It's hilarious because in my head, ye,
Speaker 1: there a picture. Uh. You know, my wife's got brown hair.
Speaker 1: So she's she's rested against the you know, her head
Speaker 1: against the side of the car, you know, closer to
Speaker 1: the dog man. Uh. And she's got her legs kind
Speaker 1: of up. Not always the safest position to drive in,
Speaker 1: of course, because you know, you could hurt your legs
Speaker 1: or you know, break your legs. But anyways, looking out
Speaker 1: the window, so I'm seeing her laid down on their
Speaker 1: head in like a pillow. And then out the side
Speaker 1: window and again this is all happening in slow motion.
Speaker 1: I see the dog man and it's like it's looking
Speaker 1: at me and we had locked eyes before it even
Speaker 1: got to this window. But it was like, ow, it's
Speaker 1: a it's an image I will never forget. It's like
Speaker 1: a dog man up my wife's head, and then the
Speaker 1: little hill and then the trees in the back and
Speaker 1: the dog man just standing right there, and yeah, pretty honestly,
Speaker 1: pretty amazing experience for me. Again, I never thought i'd
Speaker 1: see something like this, so it was very very cool.
Speaker 2: Well, you know it is you never expect to see
Speaker 2: a dog me in until you do. And if your
Speaker 2: wife would have only known was right outside her window.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I think she would have been a little
Speaker 1: u Yeah, I think it's probably a good thing she
Speaker 1: didn't see. That's she may have had a lot different
Speaker 1: feeling about it than I did.
Speaker 2: No, I bet she probably would have. Did it. Ever,
Speaker 2: seem like anyone else on the highway might have seen
Speaker 2: that second dog me in two?
Speaker 1: No, only because again the truck had gone past. And
Speaker 1: like you know, if somebody see something, especially a truck
Speaker 1: driver at night, you know, they see those they're prone
Speaker 1: to seeing, you know, their imagination and plays tricks on
Speaker 1: them at nighttime especially, you know, and sometimes it's not
Speaker 1: even their imagination. Many times they actually do see many
Speaker 1: many things. I'm sure many of you truck drivers can relate,
Speaker 1: but it's it's very important that they all so tune
Speaker 1: that stuff out because they have to get where they
Speaker 1: need to go safely. So I don't think this, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think the truck and saw in front of
Speaker 1: me saw saw this at all. Again, it was kind
Speaker 1: of our It was already around the bend when I
Speaker 1: even got close to it, So I don't I can't
Speaker 1: imagine anybody else saw this. It would have been cool, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, but but no, it was just it was
Speaker 1: just me. And so that's why, you know, it's hard
Speaker 1: to take, you know, one person's word for it. And
Speaker 1: that's why again, a show like this where you know,
Speaker 1: we've all had these experiences, you know, and we've you know,
Speaker 1: slightly different experiences here and there, but you know, we
Speaker 1: can all vouch to say, you know, I saw something
Speaker 1: that stood out, you know, stood out and it was
Speaker 1: completely different.
Speaker 2: Well, Brett, you might be the only person who saw
Speaker 2: that second dog Man, but I believe you, I really do.
Speaker 2: Now you told us about the bright moon that was
Speaker 2: out that night, and it's a given that a lot
Speaker 2: of people listening to to night show are convinced that
Speaker 2: what you saw were to wear wolves not dog men.
Speaker 2: What's your take on that. Do you think they were
Speaker 2: dog men or do you think they were were wolves?
Speaker 2: And if they were were wolves, is that a good
Speaker 2: thing or a bad.
Speaker 1: Thing for me?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Like, listen, I love were wolves, I really do. I
Speaker 1: love them like they're they're I'm very connected with the
Speaker 1: wolf in general. Actually I'm Mohawk Native. It's funny. I'm white,
Speaker 1: but I'm Mohawk Native. I've got my status card and
Speaker 1: I'm from the wolf clan, so I'm very connected with
Speaker 1: the wolf. But if I was to think about these
Speaker 1: they they definitely felt more dog man uh and very
Speaker 1: much like they It's funny because I think were wolves
Speaker 1: have a sort of a different energy or reading. If
Speaker 1: if everything is made of energy, right, and and there's
Speaker 1: different energy readings for different creatures. This one definitely I've
Speaker 1: spent time with wolf energy, and it was sort of
Speaker 1: it was it was not wolf energy, it was more
Speaker 1: it was definitely more dog man energy. If that makes
Speaker 1: even any sense to anybody, I hope it does. But
Speaker 1: it very much felt like dog men. I don't think
Speaker 1: it would have been a problem for me if it
Speaker 1: was where wolf energy definitely different were wolves. It definitely
Speaker 1: would have been a different scenario in terms of probably
Speaker 1: what they were after or what they wanted. I I just, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would not have started searching for dog man encounters
Speaker 1: in Newfoundland if I didn't think this was a dogmen.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's just there's just different creatures
Speaker 1: and there's there's different things, and I just I just
Speaker 1: believe this was a dog man. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to describe outside of that.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 2: were dog men. It was clear that they wanted you
Speaker 2: to see them. But what benefit do you think there
Speaker 2: was for you to see.
Speaker 3: Them that night?
Speaker 1: I guess this is where I'll have to kind of
Speaker 1: get into a little bit of my background, just so
Speaker 1: people have a little bit of context that that's.
Speaker 2: Okay sure by all means.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I run a senior's moving business. We work
Speaker 1: with a lot of seniors. We do, you know, I help,
Speaker 1: you know, I hire caring people to help ensure you know,
Speaker 1: grandma gets where she is needs to go safely. We
Speaker 1: move people into seniors' homes. If you don't know what
Speaker 1: that is, it's a place where elderly people go and
Speaker 1: live with other elderly people and get care and so
Speaker 1: you know, we help people downsize. That's my day to day, okay.
Speaker 1: But I also am a spiritual life coach. So I
Speaker 1: grew up in the in the Pentecostal Christian world, and
Speaker 1: it never fully resonated with me. I asked a lot
Speaker 1: of questions I from from my perspective, I it was
Speaker 1: it was God or whatever you want to call it
Speaker 1: has been so much more and so I felt like
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff limited to for for me personally, again,
Speaker 1: I'm very much open to every religion. I think that
Speaker 1: any sort of extremes for anything can can become a
Speaker 1: bad thing. As you know, too much of anything becomes
Speaker 1: a bad thing. But I think that for me from
Speaker 1: a spiritual perspective, I kind of fell out of that
Speaker 1: for several years and then I had something in my
Speaker 1: business where my life sort of changed. And I won't
Speaker 1: go into detail, but my life changed outside of control.
Speaker 1: And I'm all about taking responsibility for our actions. And
Speaker 1: sometimes things just happen in life and you have to
Speaker 1: decide how you're going to react to them, how it's
Speaker 1: going to change you, how it's going to affect you,
Speaker 1: and I decided to change. You know, I had to
Speaker 1: make some very tough decisions in my business to change
Speaker 1: my business to be able to keep paying for my life. Again,
Speaker 1: things outside of my control happened and it forced me
Speaker 1: to really have to reevaluate my life. And during that time,
Speaker 1: during what many people call the dark knight of the soul,
Speaker 1: I had to spend some time. And in that time
Speaker 1: of going through all this, I was alone as much
Speaker 1: as my wife was there. You know, I'm dealing with
Speaker 1: a lot of this heavy, heavy stuff alone and that's
Speaker 1: where spirit really came back for me, and I found
Speaker 1: this interest in, you know, getting connected with mediumship and
Speaker 1: starting to understand some of the questions I had a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Again, some of you might not be
Speaker 1: into that, and that's totally okay. Some of you might
Speaker 1: see it as evil or any of the stuff. I
Speaker 1: truly believe that everything is of God and everything is
Speaker 1: of you know, Creator and Source and any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: And for me, it was always about helping people. Is
Speaker 1: always about like growing and learning in that moment. And
Speaker 1: because of that work, because of the spiritual work that
Speaker 1: I do, I create apps for people. I create apps
Speaker 1: to help people work through shadow work because a lot
Speaker 1: of what we create from a scientific perspective even is
Speaker 1: we create the reality we want. So when we're talking internally,
Speaker 1: we're talking about, Okay, how is my internal reality? So
Speaker 1: my belief system shaping the external environment. So if all
Speaker 1: things exist, if all outcomes exist, if all possibilities exist,
Speaker 1: those types of things, what you are believing, what you're thinking,
Speaker 1: if you don't believe you can do it, you will
Speaker 1: never achieve it because you don't have a belief in
Speaker 1: you can. And you hear all the high power athletes
Speaker 1: and people talking about how you know, God was there
Speaker 1: the whole step of the way. You know, how they
Speaker 1: believed in themselves, how they were going to get there,
Speaker 1: and that's how we're right. And so you have to
Speaker 1: have that belief. And so for me, going through this experience,
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of healing things. I worked on myself.
Speaker 1: I was able to kind of come up and say,
Speaker 1: how do I want to consciously create the life. And
Speaker 1: so that's why I began teaching people. I did readings,
Speaker 1: I did I connected with people's loved ones, and I
Speaker 1: was able to just really bring a sense of comfort
Speaker 1: to people without lying to people. You know, with anything.
Speaker 1: I've worked in the moving industry. There are scammers everywhere.
Speaker 1: They're absolutely out there. So it's about bringing integrity to it.
Speaker 1: It's about understanding that you know, of course they're going
Speaker 1: to be fake psychics. Of course they're going to be
Speaker 1: fake mediums. Of course there's people just trying to that's
Speaker 1: with anything. You're going to have that with anything, and
Speaker 1: it's about a tuning to yourself, an alignment and making
Speaker 1: sure that Okay, this person is you know, is authentic,
Speaker 1: and even if the information isn't true, it's like they're
Speaker 1: doing it with their best intentions and with my readings,
Speaker 1: with my things. Even again that's not what I do
Speaker 1: full time, but with I just I'm here to help
Speaker 1: people and I'm here to help them consciously pick the
Speaker 1: life they want. So I developed a whole system for
Speaker 1: people to do that. Anyways, going back to this, I
Speaker 1: needed to explain that because with this, I have been
Speaker 1: doing a lot of traumatic healing. So I've been doing
Speaker 1: a lot of work around ancestry healing because again I
Speaker 1: have some Native, my wife has some Native, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of options here in
Speaker 1: the world where you know, we're leaning far right or
Speaker 1: we're leaning far left. And again, I think any extremes
Speaker 1: is where we get into trouble because we end up
Speaker 1: so focused on these things. And I think that if
Speaker 1: we can find some common ground with things, we can
Speaker 1: certainly get to where we want to be. But part
Speaker 1: of that is healing. Part of that is acknowledging all
Speaker 1: of this horrible stuff that's happened in all of our
Speaker 1: different pasts, through different cultures, of different backgrounds, through all
Speaker 1: of the pain of history, if you will, through all
Speaker 1: the people, you know, all the we're all standing on
Speaker 1: the shoulders of giants now for the world that we
Speaker 1: live in. And it's our responsibility to make a better world.
Speaker 1: And so why say all that is because doing this work,
Speaker 1: connecting with different energies and different you know, ghosts even
Speaker 1: and different you know, different creatures. I've noticed that the
Speaker 1: more I'm doing it, the more these experiences are happening.
Speaker 1: I've had some alien experiences and things like that. Actually
Speaker 1: because of this experience, I actually had and you know,
Speaker 1: a UFO experience in this same trip, and it was
Speaker 1: all connected because I felt like going down when we
Speaker 1: were planning this trip, we're planning to fly and last minute,
Speaker 1: our flights were canceled. Okay, So like it was again,
Speaker 1: I'm very much in synchronicities and things happening, and I
Speaker 1: tried so hard to go with the flow. So our
Speaker 1: plight was canceled. Well, wouldn't you say, Okay, we can
Speaker 1: either do two things here. We can say, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're going to go later and we're only gonna have
Speaker 1: way less time, or we can just get in the
Speaker 1: car and go. And so we decided, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're just going to get in the car and go.
Speaker 1: And so out of that and guess what, we were
Speaker 1: able to get book a faery ticket. Well, we didn't
Speaker 1: think we'd book a fairy ticket because those things have
Speaker 1: to take a long time to do. We ended up
Speaker 1: literally eight hours later. We're packing our bags and we're
Speaker 1: getting in the car now and we're driving down and
Speaker 1: this again a twenty two hour drive, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: hour drive whatever it is. We're driving from Ontario all
Speaker 1: the way up through Quebec and down through New Brunswick
Speaker 1: and Nova Scotia and get a mount A ferry and
Speaker 1: going across the ocean to Newfoundland here. And through that
Speaker 1: process there was some I believe that your energy wherever
Speaker 1: you are, we all have energy, and your energy effect
Speaker 1: x people in person. Your energy affects land, your energy
Speaker 1: affects everything around you. And the more you practice it,
Speaker 1: like in meditation or anything, you're going to experience those
Speaker 1: things happening more and more and more. The more you
Speaker 1: connect with this stuff, again, you have to be open
Speaker 1: because spirit isn't there to play games. It doesn't care
Speaker 1: if you believe in it or not. It doesn't care
Speaker 1: about any of that stuff. You get to choose the
Speaker 1: life that you want. All our purposes is to live
Speaker 1: our most authentic life and follow the things that make
Speaker 1: us feel happiness, feel joy, because our joy is what
Speaker 1: actually is telling us that's what we need to be doing.
Speaker 1: So if you get a lot of joy from painting,
Speaker 1: that's what you should be doing. So as we're going
Speaker 1: on this trip, and even if it's in a limited
Speaker 1: capacity and it's not what you do every single day
Speaker 1: because you have to pay bills, like we have to
Speaker 1: integrate all of that. But going through this experience, I
Speaker 1: felt like part of this was, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have to drive through the land, and by driving through
Speaker 1: the land, my energy of the of the healing work
Speaker 1: that I've been doing has been pushing and pushing and
Speaker 1: pushing and affecting the land, and so part of what
Speaker 1: I feel like the dog men were there for. When
Speaker 1: I saw those dogmen, I knew at that moment, especially
Speaker 1: the second interaction, that was confirmation for me that the
Speaker 1: work I was doing. And it sounds so silly, it
Speaker 1: sounds minuscule. I felt that I was supposed to do
Speaker 1: a little session when I was in Newfoundland and try
Speaker 1: to heal some of that past trauma of what my
Speaker 1: wife's ancestors had gone through, my wife's from the island
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of traumatic things, and part of doing that is working
Speaker 1: with the land. So I was I felt the intuition,
Speaker 1: and I was told from spirit, gather seashells from the water,
Speaker 1: from the water's edge, gather some rocks, bring it to
Speaker 1: the land, and then make a little shrine. So I did,
Speaker 1: and then I was also post it. And then I
Speaker 1: pick up some water and I sprinkled it all around
Speaker 1: the land. And then I was able to also then
Speaker 1: take stuff from the land and give it back to
Speaker 1: the water. And I know it sounds, it sounds silly.
Speaker 1: It might sound silly maybe, you know, I'm sure lots
Speaker 1: of people are open, But for whatever reason, it felt
Speaker 1: like the dog Man experience for me during that trip
Speaker 1: was meant to clarify and remind me this is part
Speaker 1: of why you're here. And we had a wonderful trip.
Speaker 1: My wife and I ended up going and my kids
Speaker 1: ended up going to this little island. It's very very
Speaker 1: tiny off obviously off the big island. And she didn't
Speaker 1: know this, but her family actually lived on this little island,
Speaker 1: you know, eighty hundred years ago, and she had no idea.
Speaker 1: And we ended up making it a nukshook there and
Speaker 1: just playing with the clay and she's able to like
Speaker 1: be where her ancestors were and it was so cool.
Speaker 1: And and again then we saw whales on the trip.
Speaker 1: One of the evenings, a UFO flew over and kind
Speaker 1: of hovered there for a little bit before and I
Speaker 1: was out on the beach by myself, because I've been
Speaker 1: doing this stuff more and I've been more open to it,
Speaker 1: and I've been more attuned, and so it's like when
Speaker 1: you're in that space, it's like, okay, if if if
Speaker 1: you know a creature that's connect you know, you have
Speaker 1: to remember all these cryptids, whether you know there's going
Speaker 1: to be positive ones, there's going to be negative ones.
Speaker 1: Many of them are guardians. Many of them are very
Speaker 1: connected with with everything. They're like an animal, you know
Speaker 1: how an animal like. Obviously it's it's uh, kill and
Speaker 1: be killed obviously too, but in the in the in
Speaker 1: the context of connection with the land and environment, a
Speaker 1: bird isn't thinking about, oh, what do I have to
Speaker 1: do with my life? It just does and so do
Speaker 1: all these cryptids. So do all of the things. And
Speaker 1: that's how they're in harmony with their you know, they're
Speaker 1: not taking more than they need. They're just living their lives.
Speaker 1: And so as people, we've taken more than we need.
Speaker 1: And it's not saying that, you know, growth and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Is it possible, And it's not to say
Speaker 1: that we can't you know, be one with nature if
Speaker 1: you will, but you know, we have to consciously choose
Speaker 1: those things. So when they when they connect with somebody
Speaker 1: who's open to helping, because again, part of healing is
Speaker 1: energy healing, and it's not just shadow work, it's not
Speaker 1: just this, it's like it's healing, you know, trom you know,
Speaker 1: and why would why would taking shells from the beach
Speaker 1: and sprinkling water. Why does that do? It's because it's
Speaker 1: a conscious choice. When you consciously choose to use your
Speaker 1: energy in a positive way, that changes it changes the
Speaker 1: stagna energy. If you walk into a room with somebody
Speaker 1: and they're negative and they're in a mood, as soon
Speaker 1: as you walk into the room, you're going to feel
Speaker 1: that way, and vice versa. When you walk into a
Speaker 1: room with somebody positive, you get a feeling of uplifting.
Speaker 1: So I think that the cryptids and all of it
Speaker 1: were these experience is. Again, I know that you've had
Speaker 1: a personal difference on this one, but I think these
Speaker 1: it feels like at least we're starting to learn more
Speaker 1: about these interactions. And I don't think they're all negative.
Speaker 1: I think that many of them are neutral. I think
Speaker 1: that if you're having an experience, you may be more
Speaker 1: open to it and you may be much more connected
Speaker 1: than you think. And I don't necessarily think, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm sure again there's been people that have been harmed
Speaker 1: by these things, and you know that's a very very
Speaker 1: very small percentage of people. But I think that there's
Speaker 1: it's a wake up call when you see something like this,
Speaker 1: if you're feeling fear. I again, many times, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying cryptids are are high vibrational, but there certainly feel
Speaker 1: much much more in tune with that. But with aliens,
Speaker 1: it's like when you're around somebody that's uplifting and you've
Speaker 1: got a lot to work on. If you see somebody
Speaker 1: again in the room with you and they're they're wealthy,
Speaker 1: they're happy, they're all these things, you might get angry.
Speaker 1: You might have a sense of anger because you're jealous
Speaker 1: because of all these things, and so that's something within
Speaker 1: you that you have to work on. So when you're
Speaker 1: around aliens or around any of the stuff, a lot
Speaker 1: of times they bring up things within us that make
Speaker 1: you know, the fears and resentments and angers, and so
Speaker 1: that stuff comes to the surface. Because like a magnet,
Speaker 1: if you're vibrating really hard and you're not on the
Speaker 1: same wavelength as that vibration, it's going to cause disruption.
Speaker 1: And so that's what happens in our systems when we
Speaker 1: haven't done that work. And so again, when they find,
Speaker 1: you know, when they're connected with somebody or something that's
Speaker 1: more open to it, they are a lot more likely
Speaker 1: to have a positive outcome and say, you know, we
Speaker 1: want you to do this, or you're you know this
Speaker 1: will help you know, this is an intentional because we
Speaker 1: are very much connected to reality in the sense of
Speaker 1: so when I'm sitting there and I'm consciously choosing, I'm
Speaker 1: a physical being unlike cryptids. Cryptids I swear and this
Speaker 1: is just maybe my interpretation, but they can phase in
Speaker 1: and out of physical reality. And that's just what I've noticed,
Speaker 1: whether it's sasquatch or dog man or any of these things.
Speaker 1: And some of them might have bad intentions, of course,
Speaker 1: like I'm not. You know, everything exists, you know, just
Speaker 1: like there's good and bad people, like all of that
Speaker 1: stuff is absolutely true. But when a physical being connects
Speaker 1: in it is much more powerful to the whole because
Speaker 1: they're not as connected to the other side. So when
Speaker 1: you have a physical being taking physical actions and from
Speaker 1: a spiritual perspective, I think that that really helps. And
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry that was a long winded thing. You
Speaker 1: can you know, you don't have to, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be what it is. But I truly
Speaker 1: believe that that for me was confirmation that hey, I'm
Speaker 1: here whether you know, just to bring joy, you know,
Speaker 1: and we had a heck of a trip. It was
Speaker 1: a wonderful trip. We you know, we had a great
Speaker 1: time with family and we just brought happiness back to
Speaker 1: the land, like kids bring happiness to the world. So
Speaker 1: I just think kids are are very important, and it
Speaker 1: was a very good experience and we just had a
Speaker 1: lot of happiness on the trip.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, you can look back on it and
Speaker 2: see it is a good pair of experiences instead of
Speaker 2: being haunted by them. And it sounds like your son
Speaker 2: took that experience and scried as well when he saw
Speaker 2: that first dog man. So as long as you can
Speaker 2: say that, that's definitely a good thing. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what, Brad. It's about time for us to get
Speaker 2: out of here. But before we do, do you have
Speaker 2: any clothes and comments you want to put out there
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that this, you know, help you know, was entertaining,
Speaker 1: but also you know, really connects with you and uh,
Speaker 1: with anybody listening. I hope that, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they're not all bad. And I think that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good in the world. And I think that
Speaker 1: it's important that you know, sometimes even if an experience
Speaker 1: might feel negative, that we really look at it and see,
Speaker 1: you know, what is it there for? And uh and
Speaker 1: and again I had a it was a really cool
Speaker 1: experience for me and my family, and I was I
Speaker 1: was glad to have it, and uh, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's super cool. And if this interest you, just keep
Speaker 1: keep following it, you know. It's it's so fun to
Speaker 1: think about the stuff and talk about the stuff, and
Speaker 1: we need to be open about it. So again, thanks
Speaker 1: so much Vick for having me on.
Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome. Glad to give you a platform. Man,
Speaker 2: it's a given. I love the way you think, and
Speaker 2: I hope you never change. I really do. But having
Speaker 2: said that, thanks again so much for your time, band.
Speaker 2: I really do appreciate it. Then, have a great night.