1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:26,399 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: Well, well, well, welcome to another edition of as the 3 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,200 Best with Doctor Jeff and I am your host, doctor 4 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,119 Jeff Weerber, here with you for the next thirty minutes 5 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,479 here on pet Life Radio. And just wanted to of 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,719 course thank our sponsors. You know, last week we were 7 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:46,840 not live because actually I was in Orlando at the 8 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,079 Global Pet Expo. I was actually there with our producer 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,679 and the boss man at pet Life Radio, Mark Winter, 10 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:54,159 along with Megan Blake. 11 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: We had a great. 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: Time and a lot of fun stuff, a lot of 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,320 things going on at the big trade show. 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,159 Speaker 3: This is the biggest trade show. 15 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: And it's so weird from a veterinarian perspective, being at 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,640 the two big veterinary shows January and February, the North 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,040 American Vet Conference in Orlando, and then February the Western 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,719 Veterinary Conference in Vegas, and now back to Orlando for 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,000 the big Global Pet Expo. But it was a really 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,400 good show, a lot of energy. The good news is 21 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:21,319 the pet industry is alive and well. The place was packed, 22 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:24,959 a lot of big vendors, everybody there showing off their wares, 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:25,959 their new products. 24 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: It was really a great show. 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: I was there with our sponsor show sponsor, Prosens pro 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,239 Sense Pet Products. 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And to find 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,120 pro Sense products just you can go to our local 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,159 Walmart retailer target. A lot of the big retailers are 41 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:21,240 carrying pro Sense and those are phenomenal products for you. 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,639 You know, you'll learn a lot when you go to 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,639 these shows. And one of the things that we learn 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:30,520 a lot are the inconsistencies inaccuracies as far as Internet 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,840 and these stories on the Internet. I had a client 46 00:02:33,879 --> 00:02:39,039 come in to get some medication, a fleet preventive, a 47 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:42,400 parasite preventative, and a heartwarm preventative. 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,039 Speaker 3: And there's a. 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,759 Speaker 2: Couple of products out there that are will do all 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,719 of them. And I recommended one of them, and it 51 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:51,520 happened to be a product by Elenko Lily culture. 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,879 Speaker 3: I affects this I just you know, I did. 53 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 2: I don't like the mess of the spot on, so 54 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,560 I've been using that on my dogs, and so she 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,919 buys it on my recommendation, and then she comes in 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,680 next day, which was this morning, to tell me that 57 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,479 this product, Doctor Werber, did you know that this product 58 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:07,599 has killed over seven hundred dogs? 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: I'm going, oh, really, you know, it's amazing. 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,439 Speaker 2: You realize let's for a second, just for one split second, 61 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:19,120 if in fact a product was responsible for seven hundred 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,479 dog deaths, don't you think you would have heard about 63 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:25,520 it without searching it down. Don't you think Elanko Lily, 64 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,759 which is a huge product. I mean, Alanko Lily is 65 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,000 the veterinary division of Lily Eli Lilly in company. We're 66 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:36,120 talking one of the most major pharmacyal companies in the country. 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,479 It is, It's up there with the big players, don't 68 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,080 you think with seven hundred animals being killed by a product, 69 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,319 that this product would already be off the shelves and 70 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:47,240 they'd be researching and finding out what happened. 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,199 Speaker 3: I said, it is nonsense. 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,159 Speaker 2: There was a story, oh, a couple of months ago, 73 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,680 maybe even longer, maybe six months ago, and a woman 74 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,240 calls her local news station, I believe Atlanta, to complain 75 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,520 that this medication that she put her dogs on killed 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,719 her dogs, and the story was going to go live 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,159 on the news. And so what happened was the company 78 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:15,120 decided to pay for two independent veterinary schools to do 79 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,800 a complete autopsy what we call a neee cropsy on 80 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,959 these dogs. And they didn't give them much history at all. 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,720 All they said is here these two dogs. They're deceased 82 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:28,240 fairly sudden death. Could you do your magic and see 83 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,480 what you got. Two independent veterinary pathology departments at two 84 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:36,680 major US veterinary schools came up with the exact same diagnosis. 85 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,480 Pretty interesting, huh and not surprising. I'm kind of being facetious. 86 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:44,360 And what was the exact same diagnosis? These dogs had 87 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,199 any disease called and they were siblings, they were related 88 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:51,519 cardio myopathy. So this is not caused by a medication. 89 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:55,120 This is a heart condition that these dogs are usually 90 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:58,360 born with, especially in this breed, and it had nothing 91 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:02,000 to do with the medication that what's interesting is the 92 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,639 newscaster or the reporter who was taking on this story, 93 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:10,000 who was doing his quote unquote investigative reporting, he knew 94 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:15,920 he got the results from these two independent, very very 95 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:21,079 impressive major veterinary school departments of pathology indicating that these 96 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,879 deaths were not related to anything but an underlying cardiac defect. 97 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,199 And guess what, wouldn't you know it? News is news. 98 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:33,480 They love these sensational life stories. They ran the story anyway. 99 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,279 So I told this client, there is no way my 100 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:40,480 dogs personally have been on this product for several years 101 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:44,879 without incidents. I've scripted it out to hundreds and one 102 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:48,399 hundreds of dogs, and other than maybe a little vomiting 103 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,560 with the first dose, I had zero, zero problems. So 104 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,399 I always caution you that the internet is a great 105 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:01,439 source of information, as they often say, it's even a 106 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:07,639 greater source of misinformation, and therefore just proceed with caution. 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,000 When you think something you know, look into it and 108 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,800 you know it's like there's a website. I think it's 109 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,600 called Snopes that when you hear these crazy facts and 110 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,079 you say to yourself, that sounds too weird, there's a 111 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,959 website you can go on to and a lot of 112 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:22,759 these things are fiction. 113 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: It's not fact. They become viral on the internet. Before 114 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,000 you know it, you're hearing all. 115 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,879 Speaker 2: This stuff about a product or about a service, something 116 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:31,959 that is totally out of whack, and when you go 117 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,319 on to verify the facts, you find out fogus, nonsense, 118 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:40,000 not true. So just kind of be careful and talk 119 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,399 to your veterinarians. I mean, we are not Let's put 120 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:46,279 it this way. Veterinarians are not going to prescribe a 121 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:50,639 medication for your pet that they know is dangerous because 122 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:52,399 who do you think it's going to look bad for 123 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:54,560 at the end of the day. Of course, it's gonna 124 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,920 look bad for your veterinarian. So clearly, when you hear 125 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:01,959 these stories, it's not because they're true, but typically they 126 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,199 are overblown for the media. They are nonsense. Somebody had 127 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,800 a bug up there behind and wanted to create problems. 128 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,600 And the truth is there is no governing body when 129 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,000 it comes to what you could say online. You could 130 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,959 say anything you want. It doesn't have to be remotely true. 131 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:21,199 It could have been one incident somewhere, who knows where, 132 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,639 and all of a sudden, these numbers are coming up, 133 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:28,480 seven hundred dog debts. So anyway, my take home message 134 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,399 is you want to be careful. Anyway, I'm here for you. 135 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,560 I'd like to love to hear from you any questions 136 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,519 you might have. I mean, I know there's got to 137 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,720 be some burning, burning questions about your pets, health, about 138 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,480 your pets, diet, about your pets, exercise. 139 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:42,959 Speaker 3: You know. 140 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: Again, one of the hotter topics out there, of course, 141 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,639 as always, is the fact that obesity is such a 142 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,040 huge problem. I know, we've talked recently about pet insurance. 143 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,199 We've got to do something about that as well, because 144 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,959 you know, again, thinking about how many dogs and cats 145 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,600 are in this country, we're looking at something like one 146 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,160 hundred and seventeen million just dogs and cats. That doesn't 147 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,600 include the pocket pets, that doesn't include the horses. I mean, 148 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:12,720 we're talking a lot of animals out there, and yet 149 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,240 less than one percent of you pet owners, pet parents, 150 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,439 call yourselves whatever you'd like, are ensuring your pets. But 151 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:23,040 trust me, it is the pet owner who is the 152 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,319 first to complain about the cost of care. 153 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:28,519 Speaker 3: And I know it's expensive. Everything's expensive. It's expensive to 154 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:29,040 have a hospital. 155 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: It's expensive to to have twenty some OD employees and 156 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,759 keep them here, you know, keep somebody here all night 157 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:35,879 and run in fusion pumps all night. I mean, certainly 158 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,639 to get quality care. You know, it's often I say, 159 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:43,200 when you go to a hospital that is a AHA certified, 160 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,360 that's the American Animal Hospital Association certified. There are many, 161 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:51,240 many guidelines that we need to follow as far as 162 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,919 equipment protocols, facility, et cetera. So when someone says, well, god, doc, 163 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,840 that's so expensive, I said, yeah, I know it is, 164 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:00,320 but this is for you. I say, let me ask 165 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,279 you a question. I said, if you got sick, would 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,799 you want to go down to the free clinic downtown 167 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:08,679 right with all the indigens and the homeless, or would 168 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,320 you want to go to a full hospital like here 169 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,840 in town, a UCLA hospital, a major university hospital, a 170 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:18,919 Cedar Sinai Children's Hospital Los Angeles, which is world famous. Right, 171 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,759 where would you go? Where would you want to take 172 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:23,320 your kid? And I think the answer is pretty obvious. 173 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:25,559 And then the client will come back and say, yeah, 174 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,080 but we have insurance, and I said, well, for your pets, 175 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,000 you can have insurance. In fact, I don't even like 176 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:33,919 calling it pet insurance. I like calling it medical insurance 177 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,360 for your pets, because in actuality, that's what it is. 178 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:40,320 It is just like the insurance that you have, but 179 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:42,879 it's for your pets. So I think that you know, 180 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:44,879 if you want the best of both worlds, meaning you 181 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:47,399 of course want the as I call it, the Rolls 182 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:50,919 Royce of care, you want the quality facility, you want 183 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,320 the attention, you want all the good bells and whistles 184 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,759 and the most advanced diagnostic equipment. So in order to 185 00:09:56,799 --> 00:09:58,960 have it and to be able to afford it, look 186 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,240 in to help insurance for your pets. I think it's 187 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,919 very very important. So anyway, when we come back, I'm looking. 188 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,320 I'm waiting for my first call. Everyone here very easy, 189 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:12,200 you know, you can just get us a number simple 190 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,240 simple at eight seven seven three eight five eight eight 191 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,159 eight two once again eight seven seven three eight five 192 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,200 eight eight eight two. You can also send us a 193 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,480 quick email to doctor Jeff. That's Dr Jeff at petlife 194 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:26,679 radio dot com, or just you know, go into pet 195 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,440 Life Radio and you can join in a conversation or 196 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,759 catch us on the web on Petlifradio dot com. 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I hope you'll stop by until then, Let's 231 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:22,919 always remember to be. 232 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:30,639 Speaker 1: Humane every week on demand only on Petlifradio dot com. 233 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:34,039 Speaker 3: Let's talk past you, Let's come pet Talk about. 234 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 8: Life Radio, Hetline Radio, pet Life Radio dot com. 235 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to ask if edwakkgain here on pet 236 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,879 Like Radio and if I heard miss Mark, Mark went 237 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,960 to our producer correctly. 238 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: We have a caller who's on the line. 239 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: Hi, Hi, missus Michelle calling from Canada. 240 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: Hello Michelle, how are you? 241 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,759 Speaker 4: I'm well? Thank you? 242 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: What Province in Canada. Are you from Alberta? 243 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 4: I'm calling from Edmond Hill. 244 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:25,159 Speaker 3: Very nice for you. Is it really cold out there? 245 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,639 Speaker 4: It's not so cold. We've had a really mild winter, 246 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:31,120 but it did snow today. But yeah, it's still nice 247 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,279 out there for March. 248 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,639 Speaker 2: We can hear that Canadian out so uh yeah, I 249 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,080 would pick you out in the crowd anyway. 250 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,039 Speaker 3: So what's doing? What's going up? And you have dog cat? 251 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:41,600 What do you got? 252 00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 4: I have a miniature Jackson that I rescued approximately two 253 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:46,639 years ago. 254 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: Good for you? 255 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,279 Speaker 4: And she is a miniature Jackson, Dolly. 256 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 3: Okay, And I'm sure she's adorable. What color? 257 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 4: She's brown with little black pops. 258 00:13:57,399 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: Ah, very cute. So how is Dolly do for you? 259 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,039 Speaker 4: She is fine, but she had when I rescued her. 260 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,279 Whoever had her before me never cared for her teeth 261 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,440 and they're very like she is extremely bad brass. 262 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: Okay. 263 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 4: Did have a consultation with our veterinarian who gave me 264 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:22,559 an estimate of twenty three to twenty four hundred dollars 265 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:26,639 Canadian And then when I had a consult with a 266 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,480 veterinarian that was I was told to go visit that 267 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:33,000 was more out in the country, he like an estimate 268 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,559 of four hundred dollars, right, and so I really don't 269 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,320 understand why there's such a huge discrepancy, all right. 270 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: So let me just go through a few things, Tom 271 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:44,519 explain a little bit, and just so we can at 272 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:47,440 least compare apples to apples. First of all, let's eliminate 273 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,840 the medical stuff for one second and just talk about 274 00:14:49,879 --> 00:14:52,960 the business side. I would imagine that the country doc 275 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:56,600 does not have as an elaborative facility and may not 276 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,080 have recommended or required certain things that that the city 277 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:01,919 doc did. 278 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: All right. For example, when I have a dog like this, 279 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:07,000 how old is she? By the way, Dolly, she's eleven. 280 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,519 Speaker 4: She'll be twelve in July. 281 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: All right, So you have an eleven year old dog 282 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:13,559 with horrendous teeth. That tells me that there's a very 283 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:19,039 strong possibility that this dog is going to need extractions. Okay, yes, 284 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,639 And so now we have to back up. An eleven 285 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,679 year old dog that needs extractions means the dog needs 286 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,440 to be fully anesthetized, all right, because you do not 287 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:31,279 want to remove teeth without anesthesia. So then in order 288 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,279 to do anesesia on eleven or twelve year old dog. 289 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,679 Unless you've had blood work done in the last day, 290 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:38,600 six or eight months. Your veterinarian in the city probably 291 00:15:38,679 --> 00:15:41,639 wants to do a full blood panel, and I again, 292 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,080 that would be the safest thing you. No anithesiologist would 293 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,519 knock out a ninety year old person all right, or 294 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:49,279 even a seventy year old person, or even a sixty 295 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,960 year old person without having lab work. So more likely 296 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,200 than not, this doctor wants to do some blood work 297 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,440 prior to the procedure, and that would be highly advised, unless, 298 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,799 of course, you've been going in for your annual physicals 299 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:03,559 and you had one recently. Then I would say, oh good, 300 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:04,879 I can just take a look at that blood work, 301 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,919 just to make sure we are safe for anthesia. So 302 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,240 that might be one discrepancy where one required it or 303 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:13,600 recommended it and the other one didn't. I would imagine 304 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,919 for twenty three hundred bucks a full blood panel is 305 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:16,519 in that quote. 306 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:18,519 Speaker 3: I'd be surprised if it isn't. Next case. 307 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: So, now we have our quote for anesesia, and we're 308 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,320 going to anesthetize, we know we're going to clean the teeth, 309 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,360 and we know we're going to extract. Do we want 310 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:28,519 to extract teeth without knowing what the bone looks like 311 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:31,000 or not. Would your dentist do that, or would your 312 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,360 dentist to some dental X rays? And my hunch is 313 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:39,440 again that the Alberta City veterinarian in Edmonton definitely has 314 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,600 in that twenty three hundred dollars quote X rays dental films, 315 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:46,519 and maybe the country doc far away probably doesn't have 316 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:49,840 dental X ray capabilities, So they might be doing what 317 00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:52,639 we used to do, and honestly many of us still do, 318 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:54,840 and that is you still have to go with your 319 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:57,559 gut feel, how lucid tooth is, how much gum rey 320 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:00,320 session there is, what is the tooth itself look like 321 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,120 to make our determination whether or not we want to 322 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:05,839 pull this tooth. But the point is, when you're in 323 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,599 there pulling bad teeth and a dog who has bad teeth, 324 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,680 you can't always tell what the bone situation is like 325 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,799 by looking at the portion of the tooth that is 326 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,079 outside of the gum called the crown. So therefore you 327 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,440 may need and I'm not saying we do, but the 328 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,039 idea of taking an X ray on an older dog's 329 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,440 mouth that you know already is going to need some 330 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,799 extractions based on how bad the teeth are and how 331 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:30,839 loose they are in the mouth. Might you want to 332 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,720 just make sure that there are a are none others 333 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:36,240 that need to come out, or b you might have 334 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,039 a tooth that looks kind of bad on the outside, 335 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:39,640 maybe you should have pulled, maybe you shouldn't. And you 336 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,359 take the dental X ray and you find, oh my god, 337 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,920 these roots are gorgeous and everything's in the bone and 338 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,039 everything is in complete. 339 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,759 Speaker 3: Then all you need is a thorough cleaning. 340 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: So again, that might make the difference there between dental 341 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,359 films or not doing dental films. As far as the 342 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,519 cleaning and polished procedure, I would imagine they're kind of 343 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:59,359 the same roughly. I would imagine the general anesthesia probably 344 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,759 would be less exp from the veterinarian out in the country. 345 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:03,720 And I think you know that part of that is, 346 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:05,519 you know, is a procedure any different from the vet 347 00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:08,440 out there. Probably not, it's the same. I think the 348 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:12,079 difference might be just the cost of the equipment of 349 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,920 and the equipment used, and the er the operating room 350 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,240 that's going to be used, et cetera. In the city 351 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:21,000 veterinarian is probably going to be a little bit more sophisticated, 352 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,559 and therefore that is reflected in the higher price. So 353 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:27,119 I think if you separate everything out, if you actually 354 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,039 compare the estimates of both and see do they both 355 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:34,000 include blood work? Do they both include dental films? Right, 356 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:38,079 general anesthesia and then the cleaning and polish and whatever extractions, 357 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,359 And then you can, now that you kind of know 358 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:42,920 what you're looking at, you can make a better decision, 359 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,160 more informed decision as to well, got you know the 360 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,680 guy out there, Yes he does want to do blood work, 361 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:50,480 Yes he does have a nice hospital. Yes he does 362 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:53,160 plan on taking dental films, and he's just much less 363 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,680 expensive because he's out in the country. Then man take 364 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,680 that extra hour drive or whatever it is, and go 365 00:18:57,759 --> 00:18:58,480 out to the country. 366 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,039 Speaker 3: But if his quote. 367 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: Did not include blood work plus full general anesthesia, plus 368 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,440 dental films, plus the cleaning and polish, plus the extractions, 369 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:10,240 plus medication both pain and antibotics, because you know it's 370 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:11,799 painful when you don't get on them, mouse, you want 371 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:14,440 to make sure that the quotes included post operative pain 372 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,759 meds and post operat of antibotics. So hopefully now you 373 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:22,720 can look at that, revisit both invoices both estimates and say, hmm, 374 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,039 no wonder why this guy was only four hundred because 375 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,160 he's not including all that stuff. No wonder why this 376 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,960 guy is twenty two hundred because he's including all plus some. 377 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,279 Speaker 3: So have you been? 378 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been if you had the 379 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,240 estimates in front of you while I was talking to 380 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,160 see if I'm in the. 381 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 4: Ballpark with all know they were just received in person, 382 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,039 but I think I am. My gut says to go 383 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,720 with our city veterinarian. And he also specializes in dentistry, 384 00:19:46,079 --> 00:19:47,119 and that's another animise. 385 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's probably another reason why he's much more expensive, 386 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,680 because I mean, I'll tell you you're more than welcome 387 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,559 to come out to Los Angeles. I'd be happy to 388 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:56,400 take care of her. But you know, we do the 389 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,960 more sophisticated because we know we do take danial films. 390 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,400 We want to make sure the bloods are ok because 391 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,599 we certainly don't want to onessitize eleven, a twelve year 392 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:05,079 old dog without making sure that everything is fine. But 393 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,200 it will be even more expensive by a vet dentist 394 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:11,039 than it would be just by your general practice veterinarian 395 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,720 who also is sort of up to date and has 396 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,079 a lot of this equipment in their hospital. That also 397 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:19,359 explains why that very large amount, because he's a ver 398 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,279 idental specialist. 399 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,039 Speaker 4: Okay. He also said that because she was originally a 400 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:26,400 breeder dog and then was given away when she is 401 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,359 deemed to be of no value, that she has never 402 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,839 been fixed. And that's absolutely she's at an east risk 403 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,519 for like brass cancer and uterine and so your thoughts 404 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:39,000 so much. 405 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: If that's including the price, he's one hundred percent right. However, 406 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,960 I will just warn you that the uterine cancer, the 407 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,440 ovarian cancer one hundred percent, yes, for vental okay, but 408 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:54,319 mamary cancer at this age. The current trend, the belief 409 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,759 is that in order to gain the benefit of memory 410 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,839 cancer risk reduct these female dogs need to be spayed 411 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:06,079 before their second heat, and that's assuming they don't have 412 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:08,680 a litter on their first. So your risk reduction, your 413 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:12,160 risk reduction for mamory cancer. Now, trust me, still do 414 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,279 it because there are many other advantages. But as far 415 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:17,440 as I don't want you thinking that Heaven forbid to 416 00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:19,480 end up with memory cans for years down the road, 417 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,000 you're gonna say so because we spade her that she's 418 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,400 not gonna get memory cancer. No that unfortunately, we can't 419 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,079 do anything about that risk by spaying her so late. 420 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:29,599 But I mean, you know, it's so funny because here 421 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:32,200 and I don't know whether it's well it's in the 422 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,359 big city, LA or the States or obviously veteran Aaron's 423 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,200 that believe in it like I do. But I don't 424 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,119 think I even have an eleven year old patient in 425 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,039 my entire database, and I'm talking substantial database that is 426 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,240 not fixed. So I would have been on you to 427 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:49,640 get her fixed years ago as soon as you first 428 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,119 adopted her. In fact, you know, it's interesting, did you 429 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,960 adopt her literally from the street or from a rescue agency? 430 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,519 Speaker 4: Pretty much from the street. She happened to be in 431 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:02,079 the care of a neighbor. Oh, just given randomly away 432 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,240 to this individual, and then I, yeah, so I and 433 00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:06,680 then I just immediately took her. 434 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, you're a princess. But I will tell you that 435 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,759 in LA, any rescue group, any shelter, or anyone, they 436 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:16,119 can't even rescue them out and you know, adopt them 437 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,799 out to new homes if they're not fixed. So that's 438 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,400 why it's so bizarre for me to even hear of 439 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,680 a dog this age that is not fixed yet. I mean, 440 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,799 it is like an essential And even if she were 441 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,960 breeding dog at some point, which he may have been 442 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,039 by the time they hit seven or eight, they're not 443 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:31,000 going to breed him anymore. 444 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:32,519 Speaker 3: You get them fixed at that point. 445 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:36,519 Speaker 2: So yeah, So if she's not been fixed and she 446 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,799 hasn't had lab work, I hate to spend your money, 447 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,039 but I would think that you might be better off 448 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,640 at the at the City Vent. 449 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: Okay, this has been so helpful. Thank you so much. 450 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,480 I really appreciate it. 451 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,599 Speaker 2: You're very well and I don't hang up without talking 452 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:51,920 to Mark and studio because we're going to send Dolly 453 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:52,960 out a gift. 454 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:54,759 Speaker 4: Oh lovely, thank you. 455 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:58,079 Speaker 2: All right, all right, very good and best of luck 456 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,279 with Dolly. And I'm sure be fineing. Why don't you 457 00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:04,039 after it's all done, would you give us a call 458 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,599 back here and revisit with us and let us know 459 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,160 how it all went. 460 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,799 Speaker 4: I will thank you. 461 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, by Michelle, good bye. Now that was painless. 462 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: You see everybody all this great information and it's free 463 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,000 and hopefully we got Michelle on the right track. So anyway, 464 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,680 it is that time. It is that time to sign off, 465 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,160 and that was. 466 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 3: A great call. 467 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: I hope all of you out there listening heard this information, 468 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,000 because this is very very important when you go someplace, 469 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:29,640 if you're going to get a second opinion, if you 470 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,079 are going to talk to a friend, it is so 471 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,160 important to compare apples to apples. 472 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,279 Speaker 3: Here were two quotes. 473 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,559 Speaker 2: One was four times or so or maybe six times 474 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,960 the other, and yet they were not even in the 475 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,640 same ballpark as far as what was going to be done. 476 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,759 So you really wanted to compare apples to apples and 477 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,480 get information. Don't just say, oh god, he's so cheaper 478 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,359 there from going that way. Find out where your money 479 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,319 is going, what it's going to be spent on. Get 480 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,440 a little education. Ask yourself, would you want to go 481 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,559 into a procedure like that and to take actieth or 482 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:07,880 not without knowing if they need to come out? Would 483 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,680 you want a full out of seizu or general incitation 484 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:11,920 without knowing that your pet is healthy enough to a 485 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,039 stand full an of sezure? So these are the very 486 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,400 critical issues. Note that the one doctor picked up that 487 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,400 she has not been spayed and recommended one hundred percent. 488 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: That is so necessary. 489 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: So we will be here next week. I want you 490 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,039 to tune in, I want you to be a caller 491 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,039 so you too can get a free pro Sense product 492 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,039 and or a free cong product. And once again, thanks 493 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:36,559 for joining me here on pet Life Radio. Want to 494 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:40,440 thank pro Sense, Pet Health Network and Walmart and Kong 495 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:44,000 for helping me be here and of course pet Life Radio. 496 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,599 And we will see you next week. Have a great 497 00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:47,720 weekend and a great week 498 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk pets every week on demand only on pet 499 00:24:52,559 --> 00:25:04,000 life radio dot com.