WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:13.640 On Welcome to the CEO pre show and ban discussion 2 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:19.839 for episode four fifty nine, four fifty nine or fifty nine. Yeah, 3 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:21.879 we're we're doing a double here today. We're gonna do 4 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:24.800 the ceoprecio. We're gonna get warmed up and loose, but 5 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:26.679 we're also gonna talk about some of the stuff that 6 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:28.679 people have been asking us about for the better part 7 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:29.640 of the last two days. 8 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:33.600 Now, I am so loose, loose, yeah, and sweaty. 9 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:36.920 Hey, it's hot out and we didn't shower before we came. 10 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:39.280 I haven't had time to shower or shave or do 11 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:42.000 anything since the band announcement happened because all I've been 12 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.399 doing is responding to people on the internet always. That's 13 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.159 how that's what I do in my mind only. 14 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.119 Of course, I got one, I got one, I got one, Uh, 15 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:55.200 I got you got this. So it makes it difficult 16 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:59.079 to shower, So I shower as infrequently as possible. In 17 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.439 true magic the gathering fashion. 18 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:04.359 See, I also shower as infrequently as possible, but that's 19 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:05.560 just because I don't want to. 20 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:06.560 Good. 21 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.959 Okay, so did you hear the news? You probably did? 22 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:11.920 Yeah, I caught wind of it. 23 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:18.840 Cockslide extortionist yep. Uh jeweled butt plug yep, I'm gonna 24 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.799 call it mana cry and cut off that Pete sure 25 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:22.560 mana cry? 26 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:22.920 Yeah? 27 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:27.239 And Sam to Can Sam t Can band? 28 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.040 Did you ever play against Tucan band? 29 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.280 I did not, not me either, not one time, not 30 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:33.040 one time. 31 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:36.040 I can imagine though it being miserable. 32 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:38.159 I feel sad that all those people won't get to 33 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.840 have their tou Can Sam altars, though there is. 34 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:43.680 For sure one guy that has a very nice kid, 35 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:44.439 Sam Alter. 36 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.599 And I'm sorry now that there's at least two, and 37 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:49.680 you know everybody is sorry. 38 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.519 Yeah, there it is well, and you know. 39 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:53.840 It's not like they're not cool pieces of art. 40 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:56.680 Still, yeah, it is very cool and it's a high 41 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:58.719 quality altar and it's fun and you could play it 42 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.599 in Commander Cube or you could play it in regular Cube. 43 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.400 I'm sure that regular cubes have equipments equipped for zero, 44 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:09.280 and that card Nadu when whatever his name is, would 45 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:10.639 still be good in cube. 46 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.319 I'm sure Lightning greaves in shack who are probably not shaku, 47 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.680 you know, is that the one that's the one there? 48 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:18.520 And as if those are the only two equipments in cubes, 49 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:20.280 and as if those are the only two equipments that 50 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:20.840 are good with. 51 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:25.000 Nadu, because come on, oops, let's. 52 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.240 Let's talk about Nadu for a little bit. The lead 53 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.680 designer for made Hole admitted that Nadu was a mistake. 54 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:34.080 They changed it last minute to make it more appealing 55 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.800 for commander, so every card and legend and powerful, interesting 56 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.439 throwback or thing could find a home, right, do. 57 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:46.039 You think maybe he was like, do you think Nadu 58 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.520 was a racist? And they banned those other three cards 59 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.080 that everybody talked about those ones, and everybody just forgot 60 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.479 that Nadu was there just talking nothing but politics and 61 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:57.599 religion all the time, And so they banned the other 62 00:02:57.639 --> 00:02:59.639 three cards so people would take their eyes off the 63 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.680 nad so they would they just unleash. 64 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.639 Because that's human. Nadho's already banned in other formats. Oh 65 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.479 and you know what, like I've never played against it, 66 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.159 but I have played with and against decks that play 67 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:18.080 like Nadu does. Take a look at Zadahedron Grinder, for example, 68 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:22.719 non deterministic. I might not actually win this game if 69 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:24.560 I don't drawn off cards, or if I whiff, or 70 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:27.159 if I run out of mana drops or rituals or 71 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.840 if I don't draw into like a dedicated win con 72 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.719 and like you've played against my Zata deck where people 73 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.759 have to like tick down or tick up two different 74 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.199 D twenties to tell me how much colorless man I 75 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:41.120 have and how much red man I have floating as 76 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.360 I go through the turn. And then I try to 77 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.719 like infinitely speed run a dungeon to try and take 78 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.479 advantage of one room. So every six times I. 79 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.120 Dungeon, you want everybody. 80 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.120 I get like somebody for one damage and that makes 81 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:55.800 me one man and I draw one card. 82 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:58.400 It's like, eh, now, who's the least exciting card on 83 00:03:58.400 --> 00:03:58.840 this list? 84 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.240 But let's you can see why. You can see why, 85 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.479 and the the I. 86 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:07.520 Would say, the second least exciting card on your dockside extortion. 87 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:09.240 Okay, let's move on to that one. Let's save the 88 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:10.759 cherry on top with the last two. 89 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:14.560 I'm gonna say and hot take. Maybe probably not, I 90 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:19.079 don't care. The Dark Side was banned it. I played 91 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.319 it in eight decks, okay, And here's why I played 92 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:21.839 it in eight decks. 93 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:22.680 I played the most part. 94 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:24.439 I played it in eight because I had eight yep 95 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:26.959 I opened them and had them and stuff. 96 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.079 I was actively searching for them because I play a 97 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.040 lot of Red and Dockside Extortionist is a great way 98 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.800 to play, in my case, your five or seven or 99 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:39.839 nine or eleven drop Commander, because. 100 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:40.279 They keep dying. 101 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:42.600 It's a good way to bring yourself back into the game. 102 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.560 So I just used that as like a really easy 103 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.439 catch up thing. And so when he got banned, I'm 104 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:50.560 kind of like, this fucking sucks. 105 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:55.079 But but but you didn't read the rest of the article, 106 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.079 and you just saw the Dockside was banned, and you 107 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:58.959 were like, Okay, I can see that. I can see 108 00:04:58.959 --> 00:04:59.680 that coming, right, I. 109 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.199 Get And they've been talking about it for a long time, right, Yeah, 110 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:03.079 Well there's a surprise. 111 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.519 There's been definite conversations for a long time when you 112 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:10.120 talk or or listen to any CEDH content or just 113 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.920 the general goings on of the Magic verse. This card 114 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.879 is so good and it's the backbone of Red in 115 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.480 nearly any tuned or powerful or CEDH style deck, so 116 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:26.399 much so that it like it's combos outside of Red, Like, yeah, 117 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:27.240 everybody knows. 118 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:28.959 The deck that I'm the most sad about losing it 119 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:32.560 in Brutoclad. Yeah, I think that brutoclad might be my 120 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.439 tightest list that I have because you. 121 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.399 Make treasures and then the treasures turn into seven seven dwarfs. 122 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:39.920 Yeah, it's so it's it's so good, right, my my 123 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.959 blue red crater hoof Behemoth, like it's so good. The 124 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.160 other decks like it sucks to lose it. And we'll 125 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.240 talk about value later on, like the money part of it. 126 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:52.959 Yeah, if even like it's worth mentioning, Yeah, it is 127 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.279 worth you know what I have to remember For me, 128 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:57.600 I suppose I should have said that at the top. 129 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:03.519 For me, the monetary change or difference postban and pre 130 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.560 ban doesn't matter to me. And we'll get into that 131 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.199 when we talk about that. But I think it goes 132 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.079 to it's important for us to say that for you 133 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.879 it does matter. For me, it does not matter. And 134 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.800 for that reason, I am a lot less passionate and 135 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.920 more app to just kind of carry on. And we've 136 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.439 got the article in front of us, like the Band 137 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.480 and Restricted update from September twenty third, for me to 138 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.839 just read it and take it at face value that 139 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.399 this is the reasons, and to read what the RC 140 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.279 put out the Commander Rules Committee on MTG Commander dot 141 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:40.040 net and on Twitter, you know all the people and 142 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.720 most of which I know, to read it and take 143 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:45.480 it at face value and say, okay, well those are 144 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.720 the reasons and move on. Take doc side out of 145 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:50.759 my deck. I had it at anamar where I did 146 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.480 dirty rotten, broken shit with it, like bounce it infinitely 147 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.519 and just make it mana and dump it into a 148 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:59.360 walk in Ballista, right. And I played it in my 149 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.319 Cascade Friends deck just because I had a second one. Yeah, 150 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:04.399 and I just wanted to like, oh, it's my Cascade 151 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:06.360 two drop that'll maybe make me five mana that I 152 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:07.720 can play another Cascades spell with. 153 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:08.240 There you go. 154 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:12.560 Yeah. So we both probably did dirty rotten things within yeah. 155 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.680 And we both also did regular stuff. 156 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:17.160 With regular casual magic stuff. 157 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.040 No, people have a hard time, oh docs ie, that's 158 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.360 like one hundred dollars cards. 159 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:21.839 Like, oh my god it No. 160 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:23.439 I got it in a pre con. I got it 161 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:25.399 in the Sabine precon because I wanted to play Pramic 162 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:26.480 con petitioners. 163 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.079 So it's one of those I don't know. 164 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.519 The dock side one didn't hit as hard as crypt 165 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:37.160 and Lotus for me, And those are the ones, I 166 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.360 think a are the ones that people. 167 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.120 Are actually mad about. 168 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:47.079 Yes, and there's for a bunch of different reasons, and 169 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:49.439 the nuances within those reasons, right. 170 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:53.879 It's the top down face value. What makes me The 171 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.920 thing that upsets me the most is these were things 172 00:07:55.920 --> 00:08:00.639 that were like tenth anniversary presents for people that I know, you. 173 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:01.120 Know what I mean. 174 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.079 People waited in line instead of they flew to a city, 175 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.319 then spent eight hours waiting in line, then picked up 176 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.439 this card that they traded basically their entire trade binder 177 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.720 for to get this card. That is now it's not 178 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.920 worthless yet, but the freefall as of today when we're recording, 179 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:24.600 hasn't stopped right, like it could go all the way 180 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.600 down to no dollars, like it could be legitimate bookmark coaster. 181 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.080 Interesting oddity that you'll show your kids one day and. 182 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.519 Say this is what it did, and oh, Grandpa, that's 183 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.480 such gets you back to the home. Grandpa, that's a 184 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:38.200 crazy card. 185 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.919 What did you do with that? I forgot brand fucking nothing. 186 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.840 I do that with Brando. Now, okay, grandpa Brando, let's 187 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.519 get you back to the home. Did you remember your 188 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:47.360 medicine today? 189 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:48.320 I sure did. 190 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.320 That's why I'm not lit up and on fire right 191 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.759 now from being pissed off. But the thing with these 192 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.879 ones is these two cards Man of Crypt and Jeweled Lotus, 193 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:02.919 for years since they've existed, have done exactly what they 194 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.639 were printed to do and exactly what people said they 195 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:10.799 were going to do in exactly the kind of decks 196 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.559 that people said they were going to do them in. 197 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:20.240 And it took them years, with no upfront conversation with anyone, 198 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.200 to just wipe them out. 199 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:24.879 And that's not a. 200 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.080 Financial thing, even though these are things. 201 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:29.080 That people trade up into. 202 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.200 They trade all their five dollars arres that they open 203 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:32.919 in a box, they trade all these things, they save 204 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:34.600 up some money, they go out and they buy this 205 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.600 card that they need to finish off a deck. And 206 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:40.440 these are things that go in every deck. 207 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:46.320 That Okay, hold on, hold on, you're lost for words. 208 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.279 From minute, let me interject with two things and then 209 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:51.799 i'll give you the platform back. Two things. The first 210 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:56.759 one is they go. You said that, they go in 211 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.720 every deck. You just said that, And I'm not trying 212 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.720 to try. I'm just I'm working out the nuance here 213 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:05.279 because there's a lot to be mad about and there's 214 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.080 a lot to understand at the same time, and through understanding, 215 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:12.120 we can kind of knock all the sharp corners off. 216 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.639 How we feel about this. Hopefully that's my goal today. Okay, 217 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:17.879 and I know you don't like knock in sharp corners off. 218 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:18.720 I'm a sea urchin. 219 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:22.639 Yeah, okay, So they go in every deck. But you 220 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.159 also said they go in the decks that you think 221 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.799 that they go in. Yeah, and it's like, okay, is 222 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.679 that like the high end competitive decks or is it 223 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.679 every deck? Because they go in. 224 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.039 Both, they can go in every deck. Yes, Typically you'll 225 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:40.320 only see them played in the because commanders of social 226 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:44.440 format and the social at least in my experience, the 227 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.440 social mechanics that have been set up by the community 228 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.399 will typically play them in higher power decks or in 229 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.039 ones where again, where I played them was my commander 230 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.200 costs a thousand and it dies. 231 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.840 A million dollars was going to be my next question, 232 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:57.759 and this will let me. 233 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.559 Power them out. I played them in coma. I played 234 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:01.480 it in right like I play them in things that 235 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.200 cost seven and nine To get them into play ult 236 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.399 cost five sometime. Okay, yeah, but O three also costs 237 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:10.519 nine because it dies. 238 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:11.879 Yeah, because it's a three to three. 239 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:15.879 So yes, and the Rules Committee had stated that the 240 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.480 explosive turns off the start, like the ability to with 241 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.240 these cards in your opening hand consistently untap on turn 242 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.919 two with five MANA, combined with the increase since Strixhaven 243 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.679 of the mid game card being very high power and 244 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.840 accelerating past the beginning part of the game, has changed 245 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:40.120 how these cards changed, Where these cards are being used 246 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:45.159 to their greatest effect, and when when you look at 247 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:51.360 that kind of development in the landscape of Commander mixed 248 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:56.120 with Jeweled Lotus being reprinted in Commander Masters and Manicript 249 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:03.000 being reprinted several times, it's not like they're less expensive, 250 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.039 but more people have them because they open them in 251 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.519 booster packs, and when they open them in booster packs, 252 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.600 they're happy. They're happy, and they don't just put them 253 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.440 in their CEDH deck. Right. You had them in non 254 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:19.559 CDH decks, so did I. And when you say things 255 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.480 like they're only relegated to CDH so they don't matter, 256 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.080 but everybody plays them in casual anyways, because and I've 257 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.440 heard this rhetoric, rule zero's dead. It's bullshit. It doesn't 258 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:34.399 solve anything. Then we get the situation that we're in now, 259 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:40.039 where everybody's Lots of people are running manacrypts and jeweled 260 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:44.279 lotuses in their very casual decks because they have them, 261 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:47.360 because they open them. Yeah, and it's an issue now 262 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:49.840 and they're not trying to make it an issue, and 263 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:53.320 they're not trying to pubstomp or roll over on people 264 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:55.879 playing casual And I'm playing CDCH so I can win prizes. 265 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:00.720 We're not in Calgary yet. Yeah, but it's just become 266 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.799 part of the landscape of the format. Right, It's like 267 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.559 they've just become a weed in casual commander's side because 268 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.279 the rules Committee and and and whether you like them 269 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.320 or not, that's not this conversation. But the rules Committee 270 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:18.120 stated that they want to cultivate longer games because they 271 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.960 feel that that's better for the format. 272 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.639 Let me hit you with this. I don't care what 273 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.480 they think. Okay, it's not their job to think. It's 274 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.159 not their job to cultivate the kind of format that 275 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:32.519 they think people should have. 276 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:34.320 I'm a believer. 277 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.679 And if you're going to say this is a social format, 278 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:37.440 yeah this is. 279 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.159 I'm gonna give you an example. Kill Is this annoying? 280 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:43.919 Is this irritating? 281 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:45.639 Oh, it's like a jeweled lotus do you want me 282 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:46.879 to stop? Yeah, I should be banned. 283 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.120 He should. How do you get me to stop doing this? 284 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:50.960 I banned you, lotus. 285 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.480 Would you ask me politely to stop, please stop doing that? 286 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:55.679 Look at that I stopped. 287 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:59.799 Or would you call the police and try and have 288 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:05.840 arrested for doing that? Because that's what's happened here, okay, 289 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.960 finish People in their playgroups or in their stores see 290 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.480 people playing these cards and all the games are over 291 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.279 too fast. Oh I can't keep up. 292 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:13.639 Oh I don't. 293 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.360 I don't have access to these cards. Fairpoint, fair points all. 294 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.799 But they complained to a governing bodies. The governing body 295 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.200 banned it because some people complain that some games are 296 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:28.120 ending too quickly. And I think that that's a pardon 297 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.279 my language, a bullshit reason to ban a card. I 298 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:36.240 really do, especially when they are higher end quasi staples 299 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.240 that could be solved with massive reprinting on the company side. 300 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.960 And we're not there yet, We're gonna We're not quite 301 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:43.399 there yet. 302 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:47.879 I'm gonna tease it. All of this lands squarely on Wizards. 303 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:53.799 Are some are some players complaining very vocally to at 304 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.600 the grassroots part of this situation, Yes, is the RC 305 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:02.720 making a vast sweet being banned that hurt stores and 306 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:06.039 players and collectors. Are they a part of this conversation 307 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:09.080 where people are so angry? Absolutely they are. Do they 308 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.840 deserve some heat as a committee? 309 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:12.440 Yes? 310 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.879 Individually, No, because they're still humans and they're good people 311 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:17.440 trying to do what's right for everybody. 312 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:22.320 I like that part, and especially like I'll pile onto 313 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.960 that even though there's so many things I have to say, 314 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:27.440 and you're saying so much that I'm forgetting my points. 315 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:30.639 Good knowing, like actually. 316 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.919 Meeting and being friends with multiple members of the Rules 317 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:37.279 Committee and the Commander Advisory Group or the KEG CG. 318 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.480 If you see that anywhere, it's another group of kind 319 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:45.279 of RC underlings that also help manage the format and 320 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:50.960 intake and broadcast information two and four. The RC knowing 321 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.360 those two groups of people don't come after them and 322 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:57.720 don't say things about what you think their position or 323 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:00.039 what should happen to them, that is bad. And I 324 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.919 don't think that anybody in CCO nation does that, and 325 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.399 I certainly haven't seen anybody in our community hell do that. 326 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:06.960 No, I've seen a lot of it in the last 327 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:07.399 few days. 328 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.720 But man alive, man I just lay. 329 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:10.399 Off them as people. 330 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.200 You can hate the decision that they made as a group, 331 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.840 but you can't really hate them because it's not any 332 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.440 individual human that did this. The people that you can 333 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.799 shit on is Wizards of the Coast because this is 334 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.480 their fault one hundred percent. And I'm going to tell 335 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.799 you why I think shit is if you look at 336 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.039 and this is the big heated argument right now, possibly 337 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.159 because you know my fun isn't your fun or whatever 338 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:37.559 is solring? Where everybody's why don't they ban solring too? 339 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:44.639 It's and the thing is, the reason that they shouldn't 340 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.000 ban solring isn't because it's iconic to the format. 341 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.519 It's not everybody has access to it. 342 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.519 I think that if everybody, if you opened a manacrypt 343 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.879 and a jeweled Lotus in every single Commander pre con 344 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:58.879 and everybody had access to them, I would be willing 345 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.399 to bet that we wouldn't be sitting here right now. 346 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.599 I think you're probably right because can I take that 347 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.200 a step further, just just for five seconds, give me 348 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:13.119 also give me free instant speed removal that says destroy 349 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:17.680 target jeweled Lotus and destroy target manacrypt, or like a 350 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:20.759 one drop in chant artifact that says maniccrypt deals double 351 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.720 damage to you. Sure, and I enchant you with it. Sure, 352 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.480 give me, give me those cards and solve that problem 353 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.400 when every single pre con has a jeweled Lotus and 354 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.759 a Maniccrypt in it, and fuck nay, stop printing soul 355 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.119 rings in pre cons for four or five years. Only 356 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:36.119 print maniccrypts. 357 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.720 Yeah, or just do in my head, like if I 358 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:40.599 had a magic wand and I could wave it around, 359 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.160 every Commander deck would come built exactly as it is 360 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:47.880 right now instead of coming with that bullshit Commander or 361 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.200 super pack preview thing has two cards. 362 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.720 In it or the thick the thick daddy Commander. 363 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:55.359 Fuck all that. You get a white bordered. 364 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.240 What's it called manacrypt Yeah, and a white border jewel 365 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.599 lotus yeah, with a little like generic set symbol on it. 366 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.200 And then everybody has access to the card and they're 367 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.799 not in the deck. But if you want to tune 368 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:09.319 your deck up to play a little bit higher, you 369 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.039 can take those. You can cut a couple of things, 370 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.079 stick them into your pre con or do whatever. 371 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:15.720 Now, the customizable pre con we talked about like on 372 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:16.599 last week's. 373 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.720 Show, exactly, then everybody has one, and I feel like 374 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.359 that would I'm not saying that this is just a 375 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.240 bunch of butot hurt people that didn't want to buy 376 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.720 expensive cards and wanted to ruin the fun of the 377 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.240 people that either opened them or took the plunge and 378 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:31.759 got them, because that's not what this is. This is 379 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:35.799 just a it's an amalgamation of shit that just built 380 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:38.759 up and came out. I think in a really poorly 381 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:39.480 thought about. 382 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:43.319 It is also that because nobody was complaining about sol 383 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:47.640 Ring needing a ban until this happened, Until this happened, 384 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.799 and they said, well, wait a second, you said sol 385 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.839 Ring is the same as manicre band sol Ring too. Right, Well, 386 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.000 if that's the if that's your fucking argument, banned Dark 387 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.400 Ritual and ban Jessica's Will and ban Piratic Ritual and 388 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.240 by like, ban all those cards too ancient tune right 389 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:05.559 ancient tomb I had that one listed the party tree. Yeah. 390 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:08.759 Now, And if it's about making people feel bad that 391 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:11.359 they lost games, maybe they should ban Creater hoof Behemoth 392 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:12.559 and cyclonic Riff. 393 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:17.359 And okay and hyperbolic, easy to be inflammatory. Okay, I 394 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:19.400 want to go way back, but we're not doing any 395 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:21.200 of that stuff. I want to go way back and 396 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:26.240 ask you if if policing fun and banning cards and 397 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.880 making the format fun for people isn't the RC's job, 398 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.960 what is their job, Or if that's an impossible question 399 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.640 for us to answer because we're not them and we 400 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:42.960 don't have a strong enough understanding of that, what should 401 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:44.839