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And I don't want anyone to think that because I
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I'm saying that anyone denies that who doesn't believe in
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I don't know if that's the word for this. I
want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanana show, to
returning guests, and it was a second episode we've all
done together. So Filos, what's happening.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing very well.
Speaker 4: Pete Stormy always a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, we picked, ah, we picked a topic.
And this topic was picked like two weeks ago or
even even longer, I don't even remember, because Stormy couldn't
talk for a while. And then Filos was busy and
YadA YadA and yeah, and then today we sitting around
this morning and find out that, yeah, another demon jumps
out and does demon shit.
Speaker 2: So anybody want to jump in on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So today, dear listener, a trans man, a demon
possess man, shot up a Catholic school, particularly the mass.
All of the children were at mass, and I believe,
as it is right now, it's two dead and fourteen injured,
so thank god, it could have been way way worse,
considering how this fucking mutant was armed. But I've been
poking around what little is available that hasn't been scrubbed.
So like they did the usual scrubbing, right, like social
media channels whatever, but not like the unusual ones. So
apparently there is this thing called the Skibbity farms, which
I guess is for the people that are too fucked
up for even Kiwi farms, which is you know, it's
like a forum for freaks, and that was not deleted
because they probably didn't know about it, and also the
person had there was a lot of cyrillic writing in
the journal entroys and some of what was written on
the firearm. So some bright anons got the idea of
checking VK, which is Russian Facebook, and sure as shit,
the shooter had an account there. So on the account
in Kiwi Farms or sorry not Kiwi Farms, skibbty Farms.
I looked at the profile page of this creature, and
I don't know if other people have caught it. I'm
sure some people have by now, but very displayed prominently.
But in the in the lower corner was a symbol
for nine to a order of nine angels, and that's
proper Satanism. Shit. So yeah, that's where I'm ass so
far with it, mhm, would you look into.
Speaker 2: It at all? Filos?
Speaker 3: I saw the pictures floating around on Twitter, the notebooks,
and I talked about this privately with Stormy. Sometimes when
you run into this stuff, you just don't look any further.
I'm very glad I went to confession today. I did
not want to start digging into this one before the stream.
I think there's just I can understand the demon possession
element of it. I'm an orthodox Christian, and I think
I think what I really want to impress upon people
just as they look at this news story, is there's
no material cause for this. There's not even in a
broad sense, some kind of psychological disordering. This is not
an individual that has, you know, some kind of diagnosis
you can fix with a pill. There's something much much
deeper and darker here. I wrote a few presuppositions for
the stream. I think that might be relevant here. But
if there's any other points you want to talk about
with this specific case, there.
Speaker 4: Is drugs that can affect this. And everyone talks about
how these school shooters are on SSRIs, like it's SSRIs
that are doing it, which is naive. But if anyone
types into their search box of choice as serotonin reuptake
inhibitors and look at what that family of drugs is
classified as, they will notice in PETE as soon as
I say this, you're you know, run back your neck's
kind of stand up. They are disassociatives. So what SSRIs
do in various degrees and ways place a person into
varying degrees of a disassociative state, the same type of
disassociative state that's a person undergoing severe sexual abuse would do.
Disassociative states creates what's often called multiple personality disorder or
d ID disassociative identity disorder, d being the important word here.
So we're basically a lot of these shooters that, yeah,
all happen to be on SSRIs. It's not the SSRIs
that are doing it, it's the disassociative state. A disassociative
state is similar to the state that you find in
lots of deep meditation. Right, You're disassociating your conscious mind
from your physical body, which opens the door for possession.
I can I mean, I can touch back on it later.
But there's dozens of different mechanisms in which this happens.
Some people will be familiar with, some people won't be.
But the specific type of drugs that a lot of
these fucking animals have in their system are exactly the
type of drugs. And if you think about how many
people in our country are on SSR, right, it should
give you pause. But yeah, certain types of hallucinogenic drugs
deep meditative states. It's also what happens in an out
of body experience. So yeah, all these things are the
door was flung wide open. I don't know whether it
was before this motherfucker trooned out or after.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that you mentioned disassociation and ssryes because
up unto a certain point in history. Yeah, you know,
we've talked about how sexual trauma at a young age
is meant to cause dissociation. And it's interesting that you
mentioned that SSR eyes can do that because, I mean,
it still happens and there are still widespread.
Speaker 2: Childbrape and but.
Speaker 1: Like Freud finding out that so many of his clients
were having sex with their children, it was it was
easier for people to get away with it, you know,
a long time ago. Now elites get away with it,
and it's easier. It's not easier, but elites are the
ones who can get away with it probably the easiest.
So really, if you have trouble having a culture and
having a population that you can't that you're having trouble
to cause them to have disassociation order, than SSRIs are
a really easy way to.
Speaker 2: Sneak it in so that you don't have you know
now that you can't.
Speaker 4: You know, that's very interesting is the studies behind SSRIs,
so at the time that they were prescribing SSRIs, when
they first rolled them out, they knew that these things
weren't effective. Like everybody remembers that, you know Tom Cruise
jumping up and down in Oprah's couch, but forgets what
he was jumping up and down about. Tom Cruise came
out vocally against SSRIs, said they don't treat depression. They're dangerous,
they're dangerous, and they don't treat depression. And everyone thought
he was a fucking crazy person, because he is a
crazy person, frankly right. But ten years later he would
be vindicated because through a series of lawsuits, it came
out that the pharmaceutic companies knew that SSRIs were fifty
percent as effective in treating depression as thirty minutes of
exercise a day or one hour outside. I'm not joking.
Walking outside for an hour or thirty minutes of vigorous
exercise was two times more effective at treating depression in
both male and females. And they knew that at the
time that they started shoving Prozac and zoloft, Paxel and
all the others down the throats of millions of Americans
who were dumb enough to tell their doctor, not their psychologists,
not their psychiatrists. I can't remember. I always forget the
differences between the two, right, But regular general practitioners were
able to prescribe these SSRIs. So you just go tell
your GP you had a bad day, and that motherfucker
is going to try and put you on SSRIs because
a pharmaceutical rep gives his family free vacations when he does.
The reason I know this is because I was unfortunate
enough to be one of those kids for a period
about three weeks that was dumb enough to tell that
their doctor that they are feeling down, and he prescribed
me zolofts. And luckily enough for me, I had a
physical reaction, because I don't think I would have been
able to explain to an adult in compelling enough terms
the mental reaction. All right, So there's suicidal thoughts and
ideations that are a leading side effct, but also so
is swelling of the tongue and lips, which, thank god
for me, happened to me as well, because if it
wasn't for that, they probably would have tried to urge
me to continue taking it. But my second night on
these drugs. I'm lying in bed and all of a sudden,
I hear and a Everyone has an internal monologue. They
know what their inner voice sounds like. They know even
when they're like reading a book in like the character's
voice or whatever, that we all do. We know that that,
we know that, we are conscious that there is no
differentiation between that and our inner monologue. Right. We know
it's us. Basically, we can see ourselves in the mirror,
even though we're doing a funny voice reading a Harry
Potter book to our kids or whatever. It passes the
mirror test. A voice that is not your inner voice
start speaking in your head, you notice right away. And
this deep booming voice kept shouting, kill yourself, kill yourself,
kill yourself. And I was like, I think I was
sixteen or seventeen, so old enough to have like a
rifle that m making a shotgun in my room. Pick
up your gun, kill yourself, kill yourself. And it terrified me,
and I slept on the floor that night, and then
I never took them again. I told my mom, like, hey,
this was making my lips and throat swell up. I
can't take this anymore. I told my doctor and He's like, well,
let's try a different one. I was like, no, I
don't want to try them anymore. And by that point
in time, my mom was convinced that I had had
a bad enough experience where I didn't want to And Pete,
do you know the only other time that I ever
heard that voice was remember when I told you what
happened to me after Nashville and while you sent me
to the monastery for good bread? Yeah, same voice.
Speaker 1: It's funny you get sent to that someone tells you, hey,
that you know, there's this monastery you can go to,
and it just so happens that that's where you needed
to be at that exact moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for the listeners. I woke up the next
the morning after the Tennessee event very staticky. I couldn't think,
Like I couldn't finish a train of thought all of
a sudden, like right in the middle of it, like
this whatever crazy thought would come bursting in and basically
derail me. And I'm lying in bed and this goes
on for thirty minutes. I'm getting really frustrated because I
feel like a fucking retard, like I can't get control
of my head and I'm really good at that. So
I'm like, all right, I'm going to start to pray
and start simple. I'm just saying that Lord's prayer. I've
said the Lord's Prayer hundreds of thousands of times since
I was like five. I know the words, but all
of a sudden I didn't. I would get three or
four lines in and then pow, crazy thought person, and
now I don't remember the words. Where was I? And
this happened again and again and again and again for
almost an hour. All right. So I'm now lying in
bed for almost two hours, and at this point I'm
freaking out thinking that like that, I have a fucking stroke,
like in my sleep. And I sit there and I'm like,
all ight, I'm gonna do this word by word. And
I got all the way to the second to last
word and then pal just a horrible image in my
head of some of a car crash. It was like
people hanging out the like the window of a rolled
over car, all mangled up and just completely fucked me up.
All right, And I'm like, I visit I audibly said fuck,
And then I hear in my head the same voice,
the same voice that as I heard when I was
a kid, laughing hysterically, just laughing. It's a point where
it was like booming in my ears almost. He was
having such a good time, and I shot up in
bed and I was like, you motherfucker. I wasn't even thinking.
I screamed at so loud. I woke up. The person's
in the room with me and they're like, what's wrong,
what's going on? I was like nothing, nothing, And I
call Pete. Fifteen minutes later. I was like, Hey, there's
supposed to be a cathedral in this freaking city, but
it's closed, you know, on a Wednesday, which is stupid,
Like I need to go to a church immediately. And
then Pete, in a very calm voice for waking him
up at six o'clock in the morning, or at seven
o'clock in the morning, whatever it was, he goes, do
you like bread? Answer is yes? And I drove four
hours to a monastery and anyways, not being able to
think the whole way long story short, by the time
the church bells rang at that monastery, I could think again.
I had immediate recall, just like I was perfectly normal,
and it felt like somebody took one hundred pounds backpack
off of me, So it doesn't always have to be
like the movies. Oppression is not possession. These are different things, right.
You don't have to see a possessed person. You don't
have to be possessed for these things to to try
and hurt you, carve out a piece of flesh. To them,
it's all about having agency. They live in a world
where they can see the world of things, the world
of matter, and they have no ability to act on it. Right,
So they're all thought and no ability to execute, no agency.
They can think whatever they want to think. They can
labor a thousand years, and none of it will ever
have an effect in the material world. They can affect
causality and chance this way or that way, but that's different.
They cannot exert any agency in the real world where
we are. So to them, the height of all forbidden
pleasures is to extract that agency through us, some of
its possession. Picking you up and driving you around like
a moped, yes, but shoving you this way or that,
being able to impede you in very important ways at
very specific times. This also allows them agency. So you
may have an experience with one of these things that
is just in your head and if you're not cognizant
of that, you'll think you're going crazy and then you'll
end up on SSRI. But all I, all I needed
was a quick splash of holy water and an hour
of prayer. So like, being able to differentiate these things
is important. Sorry, that was a really long monologue. There.
Speaker 3: There's two things that come to mind here.
Speaker 4: Also, they have amazing jelly by the way.
Speaker 3: The first thing that comes to mind is, I don't
know the science behind this, but how many studies have
actually been done comparing the realistic ingestion of either multiple
SSRIs but also combined with alcohol or other mood all
terrain drugs. I mean, it's very often pharmaceutical drugs are
tested with the control and with this single drug. But
as anyone knows, no one pretty much no one, just
as one SSRI. There's a vast majority of the young
population under forty. I couldn't give you the exact statistic,
but it's over fifty percent of people under forty years
old or on some form of SSRIs.
Speaker 4: It's more than that. Bro. The one thing about dating,
like you know, being a zoomer girl magnet, is you
get to learn a little bit a girl I saw recently,
twenty six years old, her and every girl she knows,
so like all of the girls she was friends with
in high school in college, every single one is on
not just ssriys but an additional mood stabilizer or antipsychotic,
every single one. I don't think it's the same with boys,
but with women, I would say it's like eighty percent
with young women. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't have a word for it other than terrifying.
I mean, I have immense gratitude that I was never
on any kind of SSRI grown up, and I think
as I approach my older age duringing thirty and I've
started working out a ton, I really do agree with
your prior statement that physical exercise and getting out in
nature it has a meditative effect. There's a reason why
Nietzsche would walk for eight hours at a whack, and
that many monastics they're hiking all over Mount Athos, and
the physical labor that's involved in a monastery. You're not
sitting in a library only reading. You have an immense
number of duties that are defined to you by an
habbit and you have to carry out over time. And
so it's not just sedentary prayer, even in Orthodoxy, you're
standing the entire time, you're doing prostrations. There's a mindfulness
to the nature of how you can combat this. I
think it's I mean, there's so many different factors that
I'm honestly surprised this sort of violent activity doesn't happen
more often. Where people will take tons of pails and
they'll drink a lot and smoke a lot of weed.
They'll depress their central nervous system, and then they'll take
a bunch of serotonin altering drugs and they won't move.
And so your mind is just this connective machine. It's
more powerful than the most powerful computer, and you're just
kind of setting it loose and agitating it, and it's
really just terrifying.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I drew out from kind of
your story was the power of church bells. And I'm
going to sound a little skitzo. This whole stream is
going to be skitzo for those wondering. I was thinking
about it when I was reading into the invention of
church bells, because there's a lot of divine math behind
music and harmonic frequencies between sounds.
Speaker 4: Wire bells at the door of every monastery, every church
every Catholic church, I'm assuming maybe the same with Orthodoxy
every convent. They're little door, little bells, usually three or
four of them. They're right by the door. You ring
them as you come in. They're called sanctuary bells, and
they'll usually have an image in you know, whatever metal
it's made out of, usually brass, and the frame and
structure will be you know, sometimes iron or brass, and
in the iron or brass, there'll usually be a depiction
of an angel standing atop a demon or a serpent
with a spear. Right, So, yeah, they hate bells. There's
a there's a there's an al chemical like hermetic maxim
about the about sound. Right when it comes to truth,
there's a lot of like, there's a lot of overlap
between the two in many ways. I know that will
upset a lot of people between between religious dogma, particularly
Christian dogma, and hermetic axioms or hermetic proofs. When I
say proofs, I mean her Meticism isn't a spiritual belief system.
It's not a religion. It's more a philosophical toolkit for
understand the world around you. So some of it overlaps
quite nicely. I'm not supposed to say that, but they
always say that you can hear the sound of the soul,
can hear the sound of truth by its ring. And
this is where we get the saying something rings true
from because truth has a specific they believe that the
truth has a specific sound to it. Right, And there's
some inscriptions on these bells. I think I should read
you in the meantime, why I pull them up? Go ahead, filo, Well.
Speaker 3: I guess you know. When looking at the history of
technology in the Middle Ages and late Antiquity, we find
most of the earliest inventions were things like water mills,
or they were machines that were designed with a very
limited mechanical advantage of like one to one or one
to two pulley systems, things like that. But sometimes the
most advanced mechanisms behind things were also they're related to religion.
For example, I'm thinking of the I'm going to script
the name the Greek mechanism that was found on that
shipwreck that would chart out the constellations mechanically through systems
of gears, the anchi strata mechanism, I believe. But then
also thinking about the the nature of bells and music,
the earliest music was obviously entirely vocal, and it was polyphony.
It was focused on the harmony between different voices to
generate certain sounds what is pleasurable to the ear most.
All classic composers Bach and Mozart and Handle, they all
wrote church music. They all wrote liturgical music that was
designed to be played at holy days, and kings would
have their own court musicians to compose things. The Vatican
would have secret music that they would play at certain
certain occasions. And so the importance of sound and not
just like a sort of random whatever instrument to jam
or whatever that people would listen to. It was very
seldom in the ancient world that you would hear any
kind of music. And that kind of that brings me
to one of my kind of I have a bunch
of presuppositions laid out for this stream. One of them
is that I think Christianity is for the most part
centered upon unity the sacraments or the One Flesh, or
the brotherhood between Christians. It's also the unity of music.
The holistic part of it. Secularism is division. It's dissonance,
it's noise overlapping noise. It's people playing music on their
speakers on hikes. It's every you go to a gas
station and there's a TV on the pump that will
play an advertisement. I can't help but connect it with
the sort of overwhelming desire from very bad people that
want to entirely capture your attention and to steer you
away from any kind of spiritual or religious pursuit.
Speaker 4: I think, give me an intention.
Speaker 3: Intention.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, So God is the Way, the blank and
the light, the truth, the truth. So this is what
many take to mean. I'm trying to find the inscription,
but it's basically like something in his truth, you will
find sanctuary something like that. On these sanctus spells, there
is something that has to do with how to your
point about music harmonies and I guess you could call
it disharmony or cacophony A right, Chris Langen, who I
urge everyone if they haven't checked out, already checked out.
Langan is a Christian. I think he's the weirdest type
of Christian I've ever encountered. Langan is a is a physicist.
He's also the world's most highest like you man that
has tested I think he's two something or other, right,
and he has this theory right it's a unified theory.
So both you unifies quantum mechanics and classical Einsteinian mechanics, right,
And this is like the unified theory is like the
holy grail of science. It really is. It's called the
CTMU theory. And basically it's the only theory of only
unified theory or really any physical theory at a systems level.
Like you know, classical mechanics or quantum mechanics are both
system level theories, all right. They don't just explain a
specific action. They are generalized, right, so they explain everything
everywhere in that domain. And to unify these two things
is basically the thing that the greatest minds in theoretical
physics have dedicated their whole lives too, at least in the
past one hundred years. And I've read all of the
ones worthwhile string theory is not worthwhile and for anyone
that cares that's listening, and Langan is the only one
that I think has even come close, and I think
he's actually cracked it. But basically, in the reason I
bring this up is because there's something called the the
Schrodinger's principle in quantum mechanics or also also called the
observer principle, right, and that is you've all heard Schrodinger's
cat right, that's what's called the quantum uncertainty principle. Right.
But a quantum particle is actually a really interesting thing
because it does certain things when you're looking at it,
and then it does other things when you're not looking
at it. And I mean that quite literally. And even
if you're looking through a camera through like if you
are observing it or trying to measure it in any way, right,
if conscious intention is pointed at it, it behaves differently. Right.
So if it's velocity is measurable, right, the second you
measure its velocity, right, so you are plant, you are
seeing it, you are observing it. You are now unable
to measure it's vector, what direction it's going. And if
you try and measure its vector, you are no longer
able to determine its velocity. It fundamentally changes its ability
to be perceived on whether someone is trying to perceive it.
And if you read Schrodinger, I was lucky enough to
get a hold of some of Einstein and Schrodinger's correspondents
as a younger man with that was able to be
much more frivolous with my income. And these guys talk
about it not from a scientific level but from a
actual consciousness level, right, Because if you set a machine
to observe it, none of these problems manifest. It's only
when a person, a conscious being, tries to measure it.
And there'll be a million videos about Neil deGrasse Tyson
debunking my take on it. But unlike Neil de grass Tyson,
I possess fucking Schrodinger's actual words to Einstein, so he
can get fucked. Sorry, I need to work on my swearing.
I've been told i'd do it gratuitously, so it is
something I'm going to try and work on. Right. So,
even from the beginning of quantum mechanics, we knew that
consciousness was fundamental to how things operated. We didn't know
why it was or what exactly it does. But it's
built into the framework of our reality, right. It fundamentally
is part of the house we live in. Whether it's
the roof, whether it's the windows, the doors, we don't know.
And if we pull it out, whether the house falls
down or not, we don't know. But it's a part
we do know that, and it's integral. We do know that.
So Langan was the only person to basically unify the
two fields of physics and show where basically it's a
unified physical theory in which consciousness is fundamental. Right, And
as he works through this theory, it becomes undeniable that
there is a much larger consciousness, a single, a singular, unified,
global consciousness. And I mean global. I don't mean like
on our planet. I mean everywhere, in all places, at
all times. Whether it's a hundred million light years in
one direction, that consciousness is there. Whether it's one hundred
million light years in another direction, consciousness is there, whether
it's one hundred million years in the past, and either
those spots, consciousness is still there. There is this single consciousness,
separate and apart from us, that is everywhere. And in
his words, I've stolen this, and I may have quoted
it without citation, but he says, oh, and this consciousness
is what structures the rules. Right. If you say gravity
accelerates a body in space at X amount of miles
per hour, if the body is xcize, whatever that number
is is the same everywhere, right, that body will fall
at the same speed in alpha centurai as it will
in your backyard, right. The number doesn't move right, So
there is finite rules that exist everywhere. Those rules never change,
the values of these forces never change. And in CTMU theory,
he basically proves out how it is this unified, global,
discrete consciousness that, as it is existing, its existence takes
all of these rules, these values and fixes them in place. Right, So,
if I were to change the speed at which that
mass falls via gravity by let's say I don't know
ten percent or one percent, well, that scaled up to
the whole universe would have increased gravity enough to collapse
the whole universe in on itself. Actually, if I change
the value of gravity point zero zero zero one in
one direction, the universe collapses in on itself immediately after
it's created. If I change it the other direction, there's
not enough gravity for sub atomic particles to come together
and form atoms, molecules, whatever, mass doesn't exist. So it
is these values being set exactly where they are on
a pinpoint that allows any of this to even take place. Us, dogs, cats,
your house, the planet, all of it. And it's this
singular consciousness that binds these things and fixes these things
in place, so they can exist, which defines a logos
a truth. It is this singular consciousness that sets this truth.
These values are affixed through it. And he says, God's
logos is our geometry, his truth. Right, his conscious mind
is what affixes everything in our universe, or it sets
the values, determines what dimensions there are, what we can go.
The reason why we exist in three dimensions is because
God's truth. The reason we don't exist in nine is
the same. So God's logos is fundamentally the binding agent
that holds all reality together. And that's why I say
he's like the most interesting type of Christian I come across,
because the man has come to God from first principles.
So when we say that Christ is the Truth, the Way,
and the Light, we have a lot more evidence to
back that up than pretty much anybody else does. And
you can explain certain mechanisms, and he basically defines mathematically
the mechanisms in which evil exists in right, it is
a secondary consciousness. And I'll let everybody go check out
his work and he'll be happy. Or hit him up
on Twitter. He'll be happy to tell you all about it.
Considering the fucking raw deal that academia was given him,
has given him, thanks Eric Weinstein. And he describes evil
as incoherence and chaos with malice, right, So chaos incoherence
has malice. Right. So when we say, like the left
has entropy, the left is entropy, it is decoherence, but
there is a malice behind it, a singular malice. Anyways,
So when we talk about harmonies Philo and you talk
about the geometries of ballastings like that, I think we
may be getting way far afield here, and I think
that's un largely responsible for that.
Speaker 2: Some like a guess, yeah, go on.
Speaker 1: Some some may ask at this point, like half dreams, well,
what what opens what opens the door for for possession?
Now in Catholicism, according to the Exorcists who've written, it's
very simple. It's dabbling in the occult. And even William
Peter Bladdie and the Exorcist, William Peter Bladdy very very
interesting man, was in the psych warfare division of the
Army and come out comes out of that and decides
to write a trilogy telling the world that demons exist
and they possess people. But if everybody remembers, if they've
seen the movie, if you haven't stop what you're doing
and go watch Go watch the Exorsist. In nineteen seventy three,
Linda Linda Blair's character Reagan had found a weisure board
and she started playing with it. And it's it's as
simple as that. Now you can get into definitions of well,
you know, I don't play with wision boards, I don't
do this, I don't do that. But what do you
practice that is? Or what are you reading or what
are you listening to? What are you doing that is occultish?
That does open up the door, you know. So I
just wanted to throw that out there because one thing
I learned from, you know, going to a Baptist church
for for years and then going to a Protestant seminary,
a Conservative Protestant seminary, is they will tell you spiritual
warfare exists and to be you know, to be worry
of it. But they don't have the doctrine that Apostolic
churches do. The centuries and centuries and centuries that the
Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. If you ask somebody
about the you know, the spirit, the spirits in the
in the realms, and they don't have the kind of
training and the kind of research that has been done
for centuries. You I going to know exactly what it is.
It's like, sure, yeah, okay, but how do I how
do I avoid it?
Speaker 2: What do I do? How do I recognize it?
Speaker 1: If I did feel like myself or somebody close to
me was suffering, how would I deal with it?
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean I understand people's.
Speaker 1: Attachment to their lineage, their confessional heritage, whatever, But reading
a Catholic or an Orthodox book on spiritual warfare and possession,
you're going I think the problem is is I think
a lot of people who read that, even Protestants, don't
believe it, even though these are people who are experiencing it.
You know, Sean Ryan just said Dan Schneider, who's a
PhD and former former military he's a trained exorcist assistant.
And I think it was four hours. I think they
did four hours with Sean Ryan. I mean, just start there,
you know, go find that episode and then dive in.
Not telling you you have to leave your church, but
I'm telling you if you really want to, if you
really want to understand what this is, and you believe
that these entities exist, but you don't have in your
confessional heritage, a coherent understanding or a systematic explanation for it.
Go search that out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're all Christians, come borrow our tools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I am there there. There are
things about the about going to Protestant churches that I
like very much, and I don't feel that it's a
it's a threat, a threat to who I am, where
I came from, what my family practiced.
Speaker 4: So you're on on your point, Pete, real quick about
how prod see see this type of stuff. I agree
with you. I think a lot of them don't even
believe this exists. They believe that they are in like
a one v one fight and all that matters is
them their conduct and whether that gets them into paradise
or not. Right, So there's only two actors in the system, right,
the world that they exist in created by God and
them and their actions, and that's it. They don't quite
see it as a larger playing field with other, you know, agents,
and that opens up oneself not to possession. I know
very very very very good Christians that are prods that have,
I have no doubt in my mind, will be in paradise.
But you could be like the best fighter guy in
the world. But that doesn't mean you're able to actually
fight in like a war where there are pieces moving around, right,
there are other types of things besides other really good
fighter guys. Like it is a almost a symphony of
terrible there's a whole bunch of people, like there's too
many pieces on the game board to see it as
just all that matters is me and my relationship with God.
And I think that's something that prod's fall into a
lot where a lot of the older churches they find
they flat out say, like this is we mankind exists
in a state of spiritual warfare. Right, there's a million
enemies of God, a million spirits as there are animals, flora,
and fauna on the earth, and they're right, they literally
are just roaming around. And to Pete's point about saying
like he be occult is one way that this happens.
Remember that quantum particle, right, it knows where your intention is,
and whether your intention is on it or not on
it is going to determine how it acts. This is
much the same, right, porn is as much of a
doorway as occultism, because what are you focusing your intention on? Oh,
by the way porn. I mean, there's dozens and dozens
and dozens of studies about how porn. Watching porn creates
a disassociative state. Right, One imagines themselves outside of their
body and in the position of the person that they
are watching in pornography, right, so they are imagining themselves,
not themselves, but that person to which they are watching.
You know, that creates a disassociative state. And what is
your intention on? Where you focus your intention matters? Right,
Like these are this I mean, God didn't tell you
what the rules were for his own benefit. Go ahead, filove.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what I'd like to do a lot
of these notes that I've outlined are a lot of
these definitional and history primary sources for Christianity and Judaism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about enemy action.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess I'll leave it up to you
to My plan is to start with the Christian definition
of basically the human understanding of God or in a
way to make sense of it, and then to go
into like the Jewish corruption of it, because I think
that helps ground the discussion in a little bit more
of you know.
Speaker 4: Well, we've been discussing for like forty five minutes, so
we're not grounded by now.
Speaker 3: Sure, I guess Saint Gregory of Nissa. He makes an
argument on why you shouldn't consider Jewish or Pagan theology seriously.
And when you look at a lot of modern religion
or the way that people approach religion, they don't really
know what they're praying to. They don't really know how
the divine works. And I think that just to like
get this out there, I think that the people's do.
In my mind, as an Orthodox Christian, there's one way
out of this mess, and that's prayer to Christ. And
that's being a Trinitarian Nicene Christian. Psalm thirty three six
by the word of the Lord, where the heavens established
and all their power by the spirit of His mouth.
And one interesting thing that I've done is I've looked
at that, and I've looked at the Hebrew translation, and
I've looked at the Greek septuagen translation of this. And
if you take this to be literal, that word and
breath in the human sense or these powerless things, what
it means if you're taking everything from a human centric perspective,
if you're approaching religion from a purely materialist angle. These
concepts of word and breath just have no power. Our
words and our breath are inoperative and ineffective without subsistence.
The capital W word in Christianity and the capital B
breath are divine. A word has essential being, and a spirit,
the Holy Spirit, has subsistence. This is the first major
example he picks out of how to define the Trinity,
the Godhead. And so you have to look at these
objections to what God is. Jew and Greek. They might
not necessarily even contest the existence of God's Word and spirit.
The Greek might say, due to Platonism, that they'll rely
on their on eight ideas, and the jew will quote
a bunch of scripture at you. But what the two
of them do is they equally reject the plan by
which God's Word becomes man. And they'll say that. And
I've found this over and over and over again, because
I looked at a ton of Jewish post exilic writings
like the mid Rush and the Mishnah. They just plainly
look at attributes of God and say that they aren't God.
They isolate it to something different. And I think I
could inform this more of the background with the Hellenism.
But I can get into that when I talk about Judaism.
I wanted to like run Christian mysticism by you, Stormy,
just to you know.
Speaker 4: Well, real quick, what did the Jews seem to be
well aware that words spoken right, so words with breath
have spirit? Would that be correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They care very much about what words are spoken out loud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the shimap, the whole section on Judaism, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: I think we should get into that a little bit
because I don't think that the dear listener, like they've
heard us on the timeline and you know whatever say
like this is evil. You know, there are aspects of
Judaism is evil, but I bet you they've like nobody's
actually come out outside of what they've done and their actions,
you know, against Christianity and against Christ himself. I don't
think there's a lot that people know about the just
day to day practicings of that religion are evil and
what is happening, you know, is not what you think
is happening, and in fact is not even what most
Jews think is happening, but something else is happening entirely.
Would you agree in my assessment that Judaism as it's practice,
not like the Reformed, which is basically just nonsense made
up by rabbis to keep the ethnic solidarity going. All right,
but the actual practice, spiritual practice is more akin to
black magic than it is anything else.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I can prove that with sources.
Speaker 4: Go on.
Speaker 3: Okay, So again for the listener who may not have
caught me, I've been on Beach Show before. Before I
was an Orthodox Christian, I was a Jew. So between
that and living over in Israel and reading and speaking Hebrew, like,
I've verified all this. This is not me pulling it
out of my ass or something I found on the
Hubbad website. Let's see, where's a good part to start
out with this? Uh, let's just start with the prayers, right,
So most people have no idea how Jewish prayer service works.
What happens in Christianity when you go to a church.
Christ is the bridegroom and the church is the bride.
That's John three twenty nine, that's Mark two nineteen, and
that's Ephesians five twenty two. And if you would throw
out the Dennis Preger definition of.
Speaker 4: Judaeo Christianity, you yes, please.
Speaker 3: You know that has to go immediately out the window.
Jews do not believe in that there. It's more than
just having a Christ shaped whole in here.
Speaker 4: Let me just let me just run through what they
actually believe. Yeah, right, So pre larionic and larionic Kabbalistic Judaism,
this is where Shabbad shit like this comes from. I
remember you asked me once like what these Shabbad guys
are actually up up to? Right, So here we go.
It's three. It has three ideological nodes that can be
shown why Gentiles can either be simultaneously authors, hostage or
collaborators in tikun from tikan Olam without collapsing the status
of Israel as the chosen people. So in pre larionic
there are two tier structures. Right, One the Jews do
not have the spark themselves. Another version of it, so
lurionic the spark. Oh yeah, this is the other thing
is God, the Creator was broken up into a million
billion pieces and spread and hidden all over the place
in little sparks. I'm not joking at all. Right, all
humanity carries these sparks and they're scattered by another spirit
shiverrat Klem right, and chosenness is not a racial essence.
This is pre louronic but a contractual agency. The Jewish
soul is equipped with a teacum license. I guess you
could call it a divine power of attorney to extract
and elevate its assigned fragments. Right, So they're on sparks,
scavenger hunts. Gentiles possess the sparks, but not the some sparks,
but not the license right to start putting them together
or extracting them from other places that they may be hidden. Hence,
a gentile can be an author of teakan healing only
when acting through or after a Jewish activation, so to speak,
I'm para, I'm using some metaphor, right, But then there
is the lurionic right, so Jewish, so this would be shabbad. Right,
So Jewish rabbis are a medium, a spark location map. Right.
The jew himself is a Messianic code that identifies which
sparks are inside which non Jewish hosts. All right, Jew's
use of the gentile objecting, singing, borrowing, whatever transmutes his
latent hidden spark in deliberated God energy. I can go on,
but this is actually what they believe. If you actually
want to know what ju Judaism is actually about. This
is what it's about. I can. I can send you
the breakdown between lurionic and pre lurionic Cabbalism. But you
remember you asked me one time if I like what
those Shabbad guys are actually like on about, like what
they're up to. This is what they're up to.
Speaker 3: And I also found, like how far back now not.
Speaker 4: Very Christian, lots of jodeo, but I can't do the
Christian in this spark hunt Well.
Speaker 3: I remember, like I explained a lot of the medieval
history to Pete, which I know pretty well. I know,
I knew very well back to like fifteen hundred or so,
But I before this reach was thing for this stream,
I didn't really take a look at the origins of
a lot of the other more ancient elements. I mean,
because the mindset in Judaism, like the formal doctrine that
rabbis tell Jews in the religion is it's an unbroken
chain of law passed down genetically from Moses on the
mountain God giving him the Torah, the law and the
yeah exactly and this existing unchanged unerring with the exact
doctrines through all time to the present and for all
time into the future. But there's some elements that disprove this.
Speaker 4: So and he would think that he would know that
that's a bold faced lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're if you're like a cultural Jew
that doesn't speak Heber, you wouldn't even it wouldn't even
cross your map.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't yet. So the rabbi is literally giving you
a sales pitch full of not true shit to get
you to do a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to elucidate, like how far back this goes?
Because you mentioned like the pre Larriac Kabbala in the
second century BC. You have to understand the interpretado greca
of Judaism and the encounter between Judaism and Hellenism, because
Judaism is not this religion that's operating within isolation, just
among itself. The entire history of Judaism is Judaism and
other groups encountering each other. And it's completely false to
say that Jewish theology was unaffected by these other groups.
So I'll just I'll list a whole bunch of examples
as quickly as I can and stop me. At any
point in the second century before Christ, Posidonius portrays the
Jews not as theologians, but is a collective group of philosophers.
Hectadaeus of abderrah right in the fourth century BC that
there was already an extant priests caste in the time
of the early Ptolemies that was practicing Egyptian magic. Theophostras
states that the Jews worship Heaven itself as the highest
God instead of a universal God, a true monotheism. Monotheism
is a modern concept Indica of Megasthenes, who was the
ambassador of the Celucid Empire to India between three four
and two ninety two BC, He stated that the ancient
Indian Brahman culture reflects the same theological understanding of nature
and reality as the Syrian Jews. Clearchus of Soli, who
is a pupil to Aristotle, describes the total hellenization of
language and the soul of even the wisest and most
upper elements of the priests class of Jews. Both Clearchus
and Posidonius, one hundred and fifty years apart, in writing,
described the Jews as practicing amniromancy, which is the study
of dreams. Celsus, who writes in the second half of
the second century AD describes the Jewish God as interchangeable
as discussed between Jews themselves with the Greek, Scythian, and
Egyptian gods. That is to say that Zeus and Zeus, Saba, Papaeus,
or Ammun can all be used interchangeably with the Jewish
conception of Hashem. Additionally, Jewish syncretism with other cultures existed
in the Greek speaking diaspora prior to christ. The Jewish
pagan cults of Sambathion and Thyatira, the Sabatistes in Secilia,
the Sambatheki in the Egyptian Nowcratics, and the Hypsistarians in
the Bosphorus of Age of Minor are all Judeo Hellenized
cults that are operating within a priest caste and over time.
Prior to the establishment historically of the Pharisees, there was
a crisis within Judaism between about one to seventy five
BC and the mid one sixties, which is where the
more radical reformers, i e. Certain elements of the priest
caste attempted to abolish the entire Torah. So in reaction
to this, the historical reason that Judaism in the life
of Christ when it exists then as the Pharisees control Judea,
is that it is extremely rigid and dogmatic, and that
is a lot of the historical basis for why they
decry Christ and defame him and ultimately put him to death.
And you also have to consider that, especially in the
postexilic context, God has both a Holy One male gendered
form and a Sharina presence for the female form within
the same universal concept of God. So there's a whole
bunch of other different items that go with this. Uh,
but I was wondering if you had anything to say
on that before.
Speaker 4: I kind of assume this is why when the Orthodox
guys are praying against the wall it looks like they're
rocking back and forth. They're not rocking back and forth.
They're actually humping because in the type of prayer that
they're doing, they are to be like the creator God,
not the spirit or force, right, not the basically having
intercourse with the female deity. So they are quite literally,
well they're literally trying to fuck the wall. Figuratively, they
are basically re enacting copulation between the male and female deities.
This they're not rocking back and forth they are humping. Yep.
Speaker 3: The basis for this, I mean to prove the stormy's right.
So a lot of things about Judaism are some sort
of inversion of Christianity. So in Christianity, Christ is the
bridegroom in the Church is his bride. Right, those passages
I mentioned earlier, well, the opposite of that in there's
a prayer and Judaism at the end, at the start
of Shabbat called the cad and the Shabbat bride. The
kala is the divine feminine, the Shahina, which is ritually
enacted brought into the synagogue to join the Jewish people
who are the groom. This is spoken, This is a
standard prayer. It's all Jews in every synagogue on shabbatam
the planet, every single one. And this is even especially.
This is not a biblical prayer. You can't find this
anywhere in the Torah. It's from the Midrash written in
the second cent century a d. Which I mean, I
mean it's it's further elaborated upon a Cristicism, right, and
it's it's further influenced by Rabbi Schimuel Idols, who lived
from the fift mid fifteen hundreds to the early sixteen hundreds.
It's the same evidence for this is given in the
ridi Agadelt, which is a kabbala, kabala's text. And I
have more like more items from the Jewish prayer service
to bring up where people don't necessarily know.
Speaker 4: So here's something that knowledge people may know. Is the
Kabbala was originally Greek. You know, there's that study of uh,
there's much to do is made in Judaism about goa
mantria yep, and basically number of magic that originally comes
from Pythagoreanism. Right. So the Kabbala spelt with a Q
not a K, is a Greek book of well, it's
a series of books that is both magical text as
in like we'll call it like magical backstory for said texts,
and then magical text is in like operational texts. Right,
So that is what the Greek Kabbala is the Jewish Kabbala.
It is a hybrid. And this has proven out here.
Let me let me see if I can find this
ours notoria, ours notoria. No where is it too many books?
Too many books?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 4: Here we go. This is the This is the other
bit that they don't tell you about in Judaism. This
is on doctor Stephen Skinner's translation of a very very
nasty bit of magical text called the the Keys of Solomon.
The names are interchangeable. What matters is the ritual, right,
So Keys of Solomon is just the Jewish name for
it that it's mostly remembered by. But I mean this,
this was called the Seven Seals in Greek. No Solomon attached,
and a similar thing with a certain Egyptian deity. Anyways,
here we go, right, sources of the Solomonic magical tradition.
Topic has no, no no, where we go yes, So
for the benefit of those readers have not read this one,
this were three The Greco Egyptian magical Papyri right is
found to be the original source. Right, so it's called
the PGM for short. Right. Oh, the primary Egyptian nomina
magica were dropped the bulk of those taken by Jews
in Alexandria. The methods such as threatening one spiritual creature
with another using phylactery or lament, or a floor circle
for protection. There are very few methods that were introduced
into the Kapala itself that did not first originate three
hundred years earlier in Egypt. So most of the ritual
magic in Judaism, which is a lot of it, comes
from the Greco Egyptian magical papyri, and particularly a much
nastier version of it. Leave it to Jews to kind
of crank things up to eleven right, called the Seven
Keys of Solomon, which I don't urge anyone to look
into ever. But yeah, so they basically, like you're talking about,
they go around the world. It's like they're going around
the world picking up like the naughtiest magic of each
and every place and rolling it all together. So it's
not like they're polytheistic, which they are. It's like they're, well,
what's the word for, like not many gods, but all
of them? Like, yeah, we have tons of gods, which
gods everyone we run into. Yeah, pantheistic would technically work,
but yeah, anyone can check out Steven Skinner's work on
the origins of the Kabbalah, right, so he basically carved
out which came from the Greek Ah. So I couldn't
find you, but yeah, so we talked about which came
from the Greek and which came from the Egyptian and
basically how it was how and what it was turned
into in the Jewish texts, but most of the texts
of the Kabbalah, which is many books. I think the
so Har has more books, but this represents almost all
of like let's say Shabbad right Shabbat, which is the
largest growing sect of Judaism. Members like Lex Wexner, who
is the guy that brought Shabad to the US. Other
illustrious members like Igor Kolamoyski of Ukraine who in partnership
with Lex Wexner, set up all the Shabbat schools around
the country, and it's got such notable members as Ben
Shapiro and Jared Kushner are all shabbat Niks. These guys
are cobbylists. So these guys, Mark Levin also a Shabbotnik.
Their whole understanding of faith, religion, Judaism, whatever, right, what
they practice in their day to day it's quite literally
Greco Egyptian dark magic. And it's not a joke.
Speaker 3: I could just pull stuff fred out of the mission
of Torah for okay, So I mean people really under
I mean people just don't know.
Speaker 4: Like this was the part. This was the original point
of the stream. By the way, guys, we just weren't
we weren't. We weren't planning on a demon possessed transvestite
shooting up a bunch of kids. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: So one of the core prayers, and this is something
that was new to me, was that a vast majority
of prayers that are you know, inside Judaism, that you're
saying on a daily or weekly basis. You know, they
might be out of the Book of Deuteronomy or Exodus,
or they might be out of the Psalms. That's standard
for the course, but a lot of what actually exists
in the core of daily practice is a post exilic.
So the perfect example for this is the ami Da.
And inside the Amida is also known as the Shimona Esray,
and it was codified by Rabbi Gamaliel the second Navne
after the destruction of the Second Temple. So this is
what's called, as many other prayers are similarly called the
Mitzvad de Raabanan the commandments that are of rabbinic origin
rather than divine. Now why should you care about this, Well,
just speaking strictly metaphysically, if you are a religious person,
if you are a Christian everything comes from God and
is illuminated through for example, the Church fathers. In Judaism,
a lot of these commandments are coming directly from rabbis.
And what is Christ say, I mean, put not your
trust in princes, in sons of men whom there is
no salvation. It's a very very explicit reason for that.
But what is inside this Amidah prayer, Well, there's eighteen sections.
One of them is called the Aminim. It is the
curse on heretics, and it's repeated in the rabbinic liturgy
in Hebrew. And this is said everywhere across all synagogues
everywhere in the world, even reform ones. This is a
curse on Jews that apostasize to Christianity like me, and
Christians themselves, as well as the governance of the Christian world.
So in every synagogue that is prayed now they'll say
that the meaning of it is like diluted and that
it doesn't mean the same thing. But if you look
at the text of it, it's still occurs. The prayer
itself dates to the Jerusalem Talmud, and that predates the
Babylonian Talmud by about a century. The texts themselves are
written in Aramaic rather than some kind of more ancient
Hebrew form. But I also want to talk about a
little bit more about this Hellenistic corruption, because I think
that Greco Egyptian corruption of Judaism is what gives it
a lot of the magical attributes. It's kind of a
framework for it, and how this is all incorporated. The
most famous the actual theology of Judaism, a lot of
it stems from my Monodes. That's Moshav been Maman. He
wrote both the Guide for the Perplexed as well as
the Mishnatorah. Right, so he's the one that wrote a
lot of these texts that modern Judaism derives its core
ideas from. And anytime I reference the Missionnatorah, it comes
from this guy. He lived in about the year eleven hundred.
So you have to think that this is well after
the Church fathers have written. So this is something that
very few people know, which is that Jewish metaphysics and
theology does not predate Christianity. It's a myth. It's after
the Church fathers are writing. Now that sounds insane, but
I'll prove it. So when Moshabmiman writes the Guide for
the Perplex. Its primary goal is to incorporate Aristotelianism into Judaism.
And this is already several hundred years after Christianity grappled
with Hellenism. It goes through Arianism, it goes through Dunatism,
it goes through Astorianism. The Church fathers are defining the
doctrine of the Trinity in order to refute a lot
of the Hellenistic influence that's going on in the world
around them and to clarify what Christianity is. But my
Monodes is already running into items of theology, the basics
that are already refuted by Christianity that have not really
actually been considered by Judaism. A lot of Judaism's theology
is reactionary. What's an example of this. My Monodies defines
God in purely negative terms, that is, God is defined
by what he is not. This is a core element
of Neoplatonism, and it's known to Orthodox Christians as apaphatic theology.
So how do you define positive theology?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What is catiphatic theology? It's opposite. Well, every time that
Judaism employs it, it borrows a lot of its understanding
from Church Fathers in Christianity. The cataphatic theology in Judaism
stems from Judah Halevi, Baya Iban Pakuda, and Shumon ben
Semach Delan. These people all postdate the Church Fathers by
about a thousand years. Now, what's filling the majority of
theology between the life of Christ in about one thousand
and CE. If it's not this epiphatic or cataphatic theology,
what is it? Well, it's something called Mercava mysticism. What's
the name of the tank in Israel? What do they
call the rams tank? It's called the merc exactly, So
Mercava mysticism. It primarily takes a hold of Judaism between
one hundred BCE to one thousand CE, and it very
I mean, if you look at what this actually is,
a lot of it fits the Greco Egyptian mythology. But
what's an example of this, Well, there's multiple animals that
will be driving a chariot that are half beast and
half angel. We'll have a lion and a ram, but
it'll be half man and it will be pulling God.
These sort of crazy things. And when my Monodesa is
writing the Missionaturrah. What does he say of this? What
is these milkava? He says of it that it should
never be expounded upon, even to a single individual, unless
he is wise and capable of understanding. And this is
where I want to bounce some I guess I would
even call it perhaps gnosticism. But when I say this,
and these are direct quotes from the Hebrew translated into English,
this will make you laugh stormy. From my monodies, the
pinnacle of knowing him referring to God is to reach
the stage where you admit and believe that you are
completely ignorant of the truth of His glorious essence. You
do not know God. You are completely ignorant of God.
It's almost like a Buddhist understanding, where you destroy the self.
Further another example from the Missionnatarah. God is the know
where the subject of knowledge, and He is the knowledge itself.
All is one. There are four types of physical matter, fire, wind, water,
and earth. All four bodies of these do not possess
a soul, nor are they conscious or knowing. They are
like dead bodies. That's a direct translation from the Hebrew.
And further to this, the Jewish astronomy and astrology is
uniquely distinct from both Hellenism and Christianity. What are some others?
Speaker 4: So basically you have like the creator God that got
turned into a bunch of sparks, right, but they still
believe that another god rules the earth, right, a lesser
and also often not nice one. Right, This is straight
up narsissism. It's not kind of like gnoscissism. It's not
a little bit gnostic. It is narcissism.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: The world is run by an evil monster deity and
the real God, the guy that created everything, bits of
his spirit is broken up in to many many, many
many pieces and spread about everywhere in all of us.
And the physical body is that you in habit is
not real. And all that is real is your consciousness
and this spark. And basically it is an escape to
try and get out from underneath this evil you know,
temp agency god that runs earth. So you could go
be a just a consciousness and reunite all the sparks.
It's gnosticism, it is I there is no difference. This
is the same picture, right, And I guess which is
funny because you said it's around like what fourteen fifteen hundred,
This gets like reinterpreted in turbocharge.
Speaker 3: No, this gets reinterpreted around the year one thousand oh pete.
Speaker 4: When was a gnostic heresy.
Speaker 1: Oh those second century, a second and third century. I
mean that was immediate, That was almost immediate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the way I kind of see it is that,
I mean almost from the jump, Christianity is having to
intellectually combat the nature of all these different nostakereses and
cults and religions. It's up against the Roman Empire, and
so it intellectually devises all these different elements to kind
of distinguish itself. I mean, the early Church history is
just that it is, you know, whereas Christianity is making
itself unique from the cultures around it, it is choosing
a unique metaphor not really choosing God through Christ, a
unique metaphysics occurs. The Jews, on the other hand, are
just they're they're syncretists. They're combining all these different elements
from every other culture that they're running into.
Speaker 4: But for what purpose.
Speaker 3: Or that's where we can bring up some real examples
from before.
Speaker 2: We move on from narcissism.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to I just wanted to throw this
out there for people who and I'm somebody who went
to a church where they gave you a piece of
cracker and a little cup of juice. The way the
Gnostic heresy was commonly argued in the late first century,
I mean this can this was late first century and
kept going for a couple of centuries was transubstantiation. If
you deny that Jesus came in the flesh, then you
deny that the bread becomes the flesh. That's exactly how.
That's exactly the main argument that was made by people
like st Ignacious of Antioch. So I just want to
just want to throw that out there for people who
were like, hey.
Speaker 4: You're quite literally denying the flesh. Yeah, you'r means you're
denying the son. If you're denying the son, you deny
the Father.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And I can actually also prove that as well. So
I guess I guess I'm going to start with. So
I read Saint Christistom's discourses against Judaizing Christians, and the
ADL recently put out something saying that Saint Chrisistom shouldn't
be read and should be like removed from any kind
of yet. Yeah, I mean it's like, oh cool, Like
thanks for the reading list. But I own a copy
of this and I decided for myself what to read him.
My priest even told me, he's like, Eah, at the time,
I was a catechumen, and he said to me, like,
you might just want to don't take it personally what
they're saying here. But uh so I read these and
at the time for context, Saint Christistom is in the
third century near East, and he's in the Great Church
of the City. And at the time, Christianity and jew
Judaism are for lack of a better term, coexisting, but
it's not seamless. Judaism at this time was still proselytizing.
And that sounds kind of crazy. How is that possible?
The Jews that we know today are not proselytizing to
the goime. Well, what people would do in this syncretic
world where Christianity is small and fledgling, if they're not Christian,
what are they doing? Well, they're trying to kind of
hedge their bets with a divine So what people will
do is in the three hundreds, they need like a
boon for something, they need luck, they have event that
they're trying to get good fortune on. They would try
to cover their bases. They'd go to the church, and
they'd go to the synagogue, and they would try to
get the blessing from all the local religions, because that's
just if you don't understand theology and you want as
much luck as possible, why wouldn't you. And for Saint Christistom,
that is a gigantic sin, and for any Christian a
gigantic sin. You don't confess multiple religions, you confess Christ period.
But Saint Chris system says a lot of things about
the Jews. He says in one of his homilies, when
so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they
thrust them aside, and were at great pains to reject them.
The mourning Sun of justice, that's sun of justice arose
for them, but they thrust aside its rays and still
sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness, drew
the light to ourselves and were freed from the gloom
of their error. They were branches of that holy root,
but those branches were broken from their childhood. They were
the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold.
And this will make your the hair stand up on
your next stormy. So the godlessness of the Jews and
the Pagans is on a par but the Jews practice
a deceit which is more dangerous. In their synagogue stands
an invisible altar of deceit, on which they sacrificed not
sheep and calves, but the souls of men. And there's
a separate item on the eve of Pasca in honor
around the year three hundred, he explicitly points out. And
people might not know this, the Jewish Passover and the
Christian Pasca Easter in English occurs on a very close date,
and even at that time, chronologically it occurred at the
very similar date. So of course s Chrisystem who's trying
to keep a separation between the Jews and Christians, has
to differentiate between Passover of the Jewish kind and the
Pasca Easter of the Christian kind. And he says in
his third discourse, do you not see that their passover
is the type? Well, our Pasca is the truth. Look
at the tremendous difference between them. The Passover of the
Jews prevented bodily death, whereas the Pasca quelled God's anger
against the whole world. The Passover of Old freed the
Jews from Egypt. Osca of Christ has set us free
form idolatry. The Passover drowned to the Pharaoh, but the
Pasca drowned the devil. After the Passover came Palestine. But
after the Pasca will come Heaven. So there's a lot
of metaphysical significance and the differences between that holiday. So
this is just another point that there is not like
a slight deviation between these religions.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, what does Paul say to the Galatians, right,
literally Paul's letter to the Galatians. Galatians, this is like
early Christianity, what isn't But I can't remember if it
was in Greece or Rome the Galatians were, but basically
in hostile territory, early early early Church. And he's talking
about the Judaizing heresy. He speaks literally about circumcision, right,
because the Jews see the young Christians and go, oh, yeah,
you're christ Yeah he was. He was one of our guys.
But you see, you're doing the the Christian stuff all right,
but you're missing all the super secret stuff, right, all
the secret you know Hebrew stuff. So you got to
cut the tip of your cocks off like us, and
that's how you really really do the Christian stuff. You
got to be like Christ. Right, Yeah, well he was
one of us. He had the secret cocksnip.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is that didn't they were done in
the year. That didn't they didn't just stay in the
ear like fifty eighty. The crazy part was.
Speaker 4: What is that? Paul basically says to them, Right, if
you think you're going to go through the Killers of
Christ to learn how to be a Christian, right, or
you know, basically through the king the Killers of Christ
to get to the Kingdom, maybe it is best that
your cocks were cut off, Like so, I mean that,
And this is coming from somebody who formerly was a Jew,
and he's telling Christians like you need to have nothing
to do with this, right, If you look at the
like it's right there in scripture. You don't even need
to know ancient history.
Speaker 3: I don't have the passages from the Talmud pulled up.
And if you just google a lot of our guy,
if you look up a lot of our guys on Twitter,
you'll see the Talmudic passages of how they view Christ
and treat Christ. But I didn't just want to go
with that, because that'd be a little bit of a softball.
I wanted to look later on. So I wanted to
look after this my money in philosophy. I wanted to
look after the year one thousand for how the Jews
would grapple with Christianity, because I think if you look
at the more ancient texts, it does appear to just
be gnosticism. And I wanted to understand, outside of a
very strict Romanic understanding, how did the actual average you
wish person refute Christianity. Well, the best source for a
medieval Jewish attempt at refuting Christianity is the Nisahnvitis. It's
written I can't find the author attribution, but essentially what
happened was during and prior to the Inquisition, a lot
of Jews were genuinely converting to Christianity. Obviously not all
of them. There were a lot of issues with this.
That's why the Inquisition happened. A big item is that
these Jewish converts to Christianity, the genuine ones, they would
inform the Christian priests and bishops about what the Jewish
arguments were against Christ. So this actually improved the Christian
ability to dispute Judaism. And so this text is actually
the Jewish refutation against these improved specific arguments. And there's
a lot of quot It's basically this text goes through
the entire Old and New Testament and tries to call
out all the different trinitarian references to Christ and tries
to disprove a bunch of things in the New Testament.
And so what I'm going to say is, I mean,
it's technically heresy, but it's a you know, I say
this as a source. This is not my own words.
So much of the argumentation, so like, why don't Jews
accept Christ? Well, in the modern world, people will tell
you that Christ it could be like a really bad,
blasphemous thing that I'm just not going to say. But
like the mildest form of criticism of Christ and Judaism
is that he was like a misunderstood rabbi. Basically that
his followers just didn't really know what was going on,
and that Christ was actually preaching Judaism and that his
followers misunderstood him. That's like the absolute most charitable Jewish
interpretation of Christ's life and activities. But there's a bunch
of other crazy stuff. Much of the argument of the
Jewish attempt at refuting Christianity is the refusal to accept
the completeness of the Trinity. It just doesn't I really
see that. Judaism in the medieval texts does not understand
the thorough completeness and unity of the Trinity. Like there's
one passage in the text Vieira I Love. It equates
the father son relationship between God the Father and Christ.
They equate that relationship to a human relationship. They don't
understand why Christ is what would he would say? What
he would say? In vayashev Yakov they claim that Jesus
was hanged, so at multiple points in this text they
don't actually admit that Christ was crucified. They claim that
Christ was hanged in the Eleshimot. They claim that Jesus
knew magic from Egypt and that he had spent two
years there, And they follow this up this will you
like this one stormy? The rabbis say that ten measures
of magic came down into the world from Egypt. Egypt
took Egypt took nine of these for itself, and the
rest of the world took one. I just thought that
was a very eerie statement. The formal refutation of the So,
the Christians argue that the Shemah prayer is actually an
argument for the trinity. If you look at the English
text of it. I'm not going to say it because
it's heresy. There is a trinity in this, it's Deuteronomy
sixty four. Their refutation of this is that Deuteronomy six'
five Says lord Your, god which is only two. Names and,
therefore because the line after it has two names and
the first line has, three that The shamah isn't actually a.
Trinity you. Know it's these kind of semantic bs word,
games and the argumentation against christ just it just continues
to get worse and. Worse AND i, say these so
people all just like a better understanding of how Weak
jewish counter arguments To christianity. Are, strangely while criticizing, Baptism so,
Basically jews say in this, text what sort of sin
and impurity is removed by. Baptism that's crazy even from
A jewish, perspective Because jews have The, mikphah which is
a ritual bath of water that they go into Before
yom kapor before. Repentance so this is like a DELIBERATE i,
mean they're just pretending not to. Misunderstand, yep another. Thing so,
yeah go, AHEAD.
Speaker 4: I was going to pivot to demon worship In.
Speaker 3: Judaism i'll wrap it up in just a like another
minute or. Two i'll just finish this. Out they So
christ fasts for forty days and then they ask a
stupid question what kind Of god needs human food and?
Drink so this isn't this doesn't even rise to the
level of like A nestorian where they can comprehend like
a separation between the divine and human components Of. God
it's it's just a it's a blatant understanding to like
a they're deliberately choosing not to understand that there's any
kind of divinity in. Here it's like a kindergartener's argument against, it, right.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 3: Know another, element even in the, language they can't differentiate
between familial siblings and siblings In. Christ so they look
At isaiah and they see that there are brothers and
sisters In, christ and they, say, well you, Know christ
doesn't have any. Siblings and then they also there's like
a chapter in the LIKE i think it's fifty two
or fifty three Where christ has, children yeah, them and
then they they, say oh, Well And Rabbi Tobias, singer
even in the twenty first, century makes this, argument, Well
christ didn't have, children so how can you know that
that prophecy is? False, well they're not literal. Children and
even in The hebrew relations between familial sylbey like you
can have a abstract sibl ling like a brotherhood or a,
sisterhood and you also can have like a godson or a.
Godchild you can have a non literal child or sibling In.
Judaism so, further like every single one Of christ's miracles
in The New, testament they just minimize all of. Them
they say some really sacrilegious stuff about the mark account
Of jesus' body and, blood and they say they basically
just they. Don't they choose not to understand it when
they say that there's The jesus When christ encounter is
The samaritan woman at the, Well samarrian woman at the.
Well the argument, is why Does god need to drink?
Water you, know it's just these stupid, arguments over and
over and over.
Speaker 4: Again, WELL i wouldn't expect anything.
Speaker 2: Different it's, that specifically is Another gnostic.
Speaker 4: Argument exactly, right denying of the flesh. Yep The tablet
Magazine's august, fourteenth twenty twelve Story talmud and its many
demons marriage everyone to read. It chief among those, demons
most interestingly Is, joseph the founder Of, israel according to The,
tumut is a. Demon this is from My jewish. Learning
joseph The demon actually appears elsewhere in The Babylonian, talmud
In Trassate, pissechum where we encounter two of his. Teachings
but we also have evidence Of joseph from a nontomatic
source of the same time, period a clay bowl ascribed
In aramaic with incantations against danger and dangerous. Demons they
differentiate on this one. Bowl the scribes list a number
of powerful rabbis who historically fought against the threat of dangerous,
demons and one of those listed is none other Than
Rabbi joseph The. Demon joseph The demon is a rabbinic
informant and teacher of the, rabbis or perhaps even a rabbi.
Himself in their discussion of the laws Of sabant and
the limits of. It then these rabbis are so confident
in the amazing power and welcome of The rabbinic community
that they assume that everyone in the, world human and
spirit would want to be a part of. It now
that's a big tent exclamation. Point, well let's go to
also My jewish learning study on demons dibbicks, dybbuks the
thing That Lex, wexner child rapists And israeli intelligence asset
and also owner Of Victoria's secret says in his nineteen
eighty five interview With The York The New yorker lives
in his head and was put in his head when
he was very young by a. Rabbi and it's the
dibbik that tells him to do, things and will suddenly
wake him up at night and urge him in certain
directions this way or the. Other and it leads to
him making good business decisions and besting his. Rivals and
he probably has to feed at. Children but here we.
Go as compared with other Ancient Near eastern texts in
which demons play a central, role The bible is nearly
silent about the experience of sorry existence of supernatural, beings
but not the. Talmut The talmut has a, rich sometimes vague.
Demonology houses of, STUDY i guess. It synagogues are described
as being full of, demons and when sexual energy is
not properly, channeled overflowing with. Demons great rabbis are able
to perceive the demons sitting on the right and left
hand of every. Person they are able to harness the
divine creative energies of these demons to create animals which
can be consumed for, food and in The talmudic, words
in The tumatic, world spirits are. Everywhere they haunt dark, places,
homes even the crumbs left on the dinner. Table for.
Example consider the omnipresence and the omnivolence of demons described
in The. Talmud it has been Taught Abba benjamin, says
if the eye had the power to see, them no
creature could endure the. Demons they are more numerous than we,
are and they surround us like the ridge around the.
Field everyone among us has thousands to his left and
ten thousands to. Right the crushing crowd, Lectures i'm, sorry
the crushing crowd of the cola lectures come from. Them
fatigue in the knees comes from. Them rarely does The
tumuti literature go into detail about how exactly demons and
magical creatures come into, being or whether they are really independent. Beings,
Right but there's reason to think that the texts of
The brigod are not referring to metaphorical, demons as it
would go on to, say if one wants to discover,
them let him take sifted ash and sprinkle it around his,
bed and in the morning he will see something like
the footprints of a. Rooster unlike The, Talmud kabbalistic demonology
is more. Detailed some demons are formed whenever in improperly
spills his seed in Sin.
Speaker 3: Poorno Also onanism story Of on from The, bible, yep
the Same Aba, Binyamin sorry you've already read, this he
says in a bell kot. Shishuh in Another, barieta it
was taught That amin, says if the eye was given
permission to, see no creature would be able to withstand
the abundance and ubiquity of the demons and continue to
live unaffected by.
Speaker 4: Them, boy is that the fucking? Truth you?
Speaker 3: Know AND i mean, okay like real.
Speaker 4: Quick hold, on go. Ahead other demons are as in
The christian, myth rebellious, angels, or in the case Of
lilith who Appear prime who appears throughout The, talmud primordial
humans who were disobeyed in The divine. Plan all, right hold,
on where are my? Photos here we, GO i have
another lovely bit Of talmud to read. You where are
you Miss? Lilith uh oh the search real quick ha,
Ha but oh, yeah here's another. One but you might
find interesting a lovely. Passage we're talking about demons And
satan in. Particular he says nice things about him where
it talks about How satan. Came and here we go
The Bava batra sixteen A I samuel won six kenna
upset With hannah in order to motivate her to. Pray
Rev Afabar yakov taught this in The, papillana And satan
came to kiss his feet the rabbi in gratitude for
speaking so positively about. Him that's, odd but, yes there
is something to seeing. Them once a man sees, them
he is what did the passage? Say oh, ah it
Was sarah that one at.
Speaker 3: Home it was like he would basically be overwhelmed by
all of.
Speaker 4: Them, NO i THINK i said something. Else could you read?
It you find? IT i can mind. It it, was uh,
yeah here we.
Speaker 3: Go m oh, yeah here we are if the if
the eye was given permission to, see no creature would
be able to withstand the abundance and ubiquity of the
demons and continue to live unaffected by.
Speaker 4: Them, yeah the living unaffected by them is the fucking.
Truth uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah like. That the word for demons is literally harmful,
beings anything that causes to, kay pain and. Deplete SO
i guess there's.
Speaker 4: A Few Chris lang, again chaos thing is with evil.
Speaker 3: Incoherence like these are kind of stupid, counterpoints BUT i
want to bring them up because somebody, WILL i, think
naturally think of.
Speaker 4: Them, yea there's eid somewhere like.
Speaker 3: One one such thing is, well The jews knew about
all these things because they have such an ancient religion
and they're just documenting encounters with. Demons you, know they
have access to the spiritual, realm but they're putting this
information out there to advise people not to do. It the,
argument like the Former jew in me would make the,
argument you, know most of The talmud is trying to
get people to stay away from. Demons is that? True,
No BUT i MEAN i, GUESS i guess that's just
what would come into mind because like the preventative measures.
Speaker 4: For, THIS i find it's not.
Speaker 3: True well it's it's not true Because, okay like just,
objectively all the different rabbis and all the different eras
are Encountering, Hellenism they're synchronizing syncretism.
Speaker 4: And Greco egyptian, magic.
Speaker 3: Right they're incorporating all of these different elements into the.
Religion there's not like a strict delineation like going back
to earlier Like christianity is actively looking at this stuff
and saying we're not going to do. This we're looking
at all this evil this around us we have that
has to stay, out has to stay. Out and, yes
there are Like Christian gnostic sects or, whatever but it's
not the main thrust Of. Christianity it is the, main
right the reason.
Speaker 4: Did you just said do you SAY i just saw the? Chat,
wait dibbucks mean soul? Possessors, yeah oh that's. Gnarls. Yeah
So Lex wexner has a soul possessor in. There that's.
Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah and there's ACTUALLY i mean, PEOPLE.
Speaker 4: I guess that's what it costs to be a.
Speaker 3: Millionaire if you look at stories this, gosh so if
you look At jewish, stories if you look At jewish
stories Of Eastern, europe, like it's not like once in
a blue moon you'll find a. Dybook it's it's that
you're you're stepping. Them you're stepping on them on the
way the, trash, Right you're like in the kitchen and
they're all around.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 3: There this is this very very present form of. THINGS i,
mean it's uh, Okay like there's this. Article it's also
from My jewish. Learning you, Know i'm learning a lot.
Tonight so, Okay i'll just read this to.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 3: Uh in a in a gibbook instance or, possession one
soul sticks to. Another perhaps the departed soul sinister in
the living person. Innocent, conversely, departed the departed soul may
have been saintly but wronged by the. Living in this,
case the possession by a d book is essentially punishment
or revenge for an improper act Or, apparently possession may
also happen at. Random there's like people wrote plays about.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 3: Uh here in The Lurianic, kabbala there's also sometimes the
soul of a departed righteous person may impregnate the soul
of a living. Person this is called an. Ibor it's
usually a, positive not a. Negative sometimes a righteous soul
undergoes it so it can complete a task or perform a.
Mitzvah sometimes it does so for the benefit of the host. Soul,
really it is no different from possion than a, dyebuk
but practically speaking their polar. Opposites in all of these,
cases the ordinary processes of life energy are being diverted
for other positive or negative, reasons and life, energy above
all is powerful when put to proper. Ends the transmission
of life energy by any means of sex or supernatural
activity is the god the act of maintaining the cosmic.
Flow but anything that powerful can also create great. Evil
then it goes into the story of The, golam and you,
know it's a whole nother FREAKING i, mean most people
know The golam Of, prague but that's Another.
Speaker 4: It's, like, yeah another one of these demons Besides lilith
WHO i can get into it at a later, date not.
Tonight is end Or. WITCH i don't know if you've
ever heard of. It, no it's a very evil old woman.
HERE i just saw it because there's a specific listener
THAT i think will be listening to this that really
doesn't like, evil old, women, DEMONS.
Speaker 3: I, mean does?
Speaker 4: Anyone hopefully, No, No SO i HOPE i can find
something for.
Speaker 3: Him AND i have another like another like gay. Counterpoint
BUT i just this is stuff that WHEN i hear
you talk on other podcasts.
Speaker 4: Occurring in the Heat witch Of endor occurring in The
Hebrew bible was consulted By saul to summon the spirit
of the Prophet. Samuel she's a. Necromancer saul wished to
receive advice on defeating The philistines in, battle after prior
attempts to Consult god through sacrifices and sacred lots and
other means had. Failed, however what was summoned whether the
actual ghost Of samuel or a spirit in person and
him the latter delivered a prophecy of doom Against saul
and his, armies who were defeated per the. Prophecy so, apparently,
wait why does this, person why does this? Person in
My jewish, learning tell me why this person has this
evil which has a repeat presence In judaism the. Eborb
there are other, possessions possibilities that may happen as. WELL
a soul may visit a person during, sleep bringing messages
from beyond our prophecies about the, future or it may
haunt a, place as in popular. Stories sometimes the soul
of a departed righteous person may impregnate the soul of
a living. Person the process is the process is described
By lurianic. Kabbala that's the gnarly one with all the
black magics's, well they're both gross and heretical and should be.
Burned but The lurianic kabala is what gave us our
Lovely shabbat.
Speaker 3: Friends, YEAH i just want to say a few more
words about, that because if people there might be a
people that are listening to this thinking, like, well, okay
you're looking at some like doctrine and this is medieval
history or. Whatever WHEN i lived In, ISRAEL i actually
met one of these rabbis and what he did was really.
Interesting one of my friends at the time was complaining
about evil spirits in the. House you, know just couldn't sleep,
right nothing was going. Right his life was a. Mess
and what the rabbi did was the rabbi came into
the house and you, know he made the friends sit
on like a very specific, chair and then he went
around the entire house rearranging all of the objects within the,
House like all the furniture had to be moved to different,
places and all the little things that were stacked everywhere
had to all be like laid out a very certain,
way and there was you, know there's number the count is.
Involved and also like there's certain things that are said like,
incantations and this is not regarded there as some Like
Wu Wu madonna crystal magic, crap like this is very
serious stuff to The.
Speaker 4: Krabadniks and also that probably sounds a lot like fung,
shui who In western culture is exactly What farler just
described down the crystal bitches Like madonna. Whatever In, china
funng shwe is is a type of, magic a very
very very serious magic that involves the summoning and removing
of spirits and. Demons so, yeah there is another. Reference
we were talking about mysticisms and demonologies of The east
finding their way Into. JUDAISM i think that is a
lovely place for one to. LOOK i bet you could
mine a lot of information out of, there because what
you just described is identical to The chinese magic of fung,
shui which unfortunately it's just been the word has just
been shot out by crystal bitches and burning man. Faggots
but that is not how The chinese see. It it
is very serious. Business and you.
Speaker 3: Might also have a natural follow up, question, listener which
is how do These jewish And chinese cultures meet in
the ancient. World, well the answer is The Silk. Road
like those sources are brought up, earlier From hecateus to
theo Frustrate us And indica Of. Magasthenes all of these
different Ancient greek, rulers they knew About, india they did
trade With, india they knew of these. Cultures they were
writing with primary. Sources The greek, world in its trade
routes stretched all the way To. India and this is
not a one way. Street i've been to an art,
museum An asian art. MUSEUM i won't say which, city
but there is A hellenized statue Of christ that they
actually found In india about two hundred years after the
life Of. Christ and you might also, ask, well how
the heck do how can you prove That jews got To?
India there is.
Speaker 4: Pottery, well because The indians are so Fucking. Jewish, sorry.
Speaker 3: Well there's like are you, know let's see. HERE i
won't be able to you, KNOW i won't waste time googling.
It but there's this little Handmade chinese statue from about
the year six high one HUNDRED. Bc and it's a
statue of A jewish merchant with a giant patch pack of.
Goods and they found it right smack dab in the
middle Of. China and So jews were going To china
at this. Time and, actually if you look into What
jews consider lost, tribes this is like some other whack,
lore but there's, supposedly just as there are lost tribes
Of jews In, ethiopia there are lost tribes Of judaism
Within india as well as Within. China these are Supposedly
jewish sects of people that have continued their tradition since
The jewish merchants went there along The Silk.
Speaker 4: Road AND.
Speaker 3: I think it's very apparent that a lot of these
primary Source hellenistic, writers they're not just bouncing theology between
like a binary Of christianity And hellenism or pagan. ITEMS i,
MEAN i think that narrows the field to what it actually.
WAS i think it's quite apparent that there are Further
eastern ideas that are circulating among people. PEOPLE i, mean
if you look at a, map The babylonian world was
further east than people can imagine in their. MINDS i,
mean this was this broad. World and also that the
climate was, different that it existed in a time where
The Middle east was not as dry as it was.
Today it was much more, wet which, means you, know
it's a lot easier to pass across these different. Areas
the geography was quite. Different SO i Guess i'm just
kind of. Going BUT i, MEAN i think it's very
important that people get an understanding of like why this
is like a. Problem because another counter, argument AND i
don't even want to dignify it by calling it a counter.
Argument people will just say, like, yeah so what you,
KNOW i can go to the bookstore AND i can
get to row, cards AND i can get all this other,
stuff LIKE i can do a, SEANCE i can get you,
KNOW i can TYPE ai, STUFF i can. WHATEVER i.
THINK i, mean my personal opinion here is as an Orthodox,
christian you don't do any of. It there's no crystal,
stuff there's no touro. Stuff anything that you do it
is Explicitly christian or you don't touch. It and it's
not because of some, superstition and it's certainly not because
of any kind of ignorance of the evil of. THIS
i think this is actually an overfamiliarization of the evils of.
Magic if you look at The Church, fathers they're, very
very explicit in warning people about this, stuff and all
of THIS i think has like the same metaphysical origin
point of. BEING i don't know if this is the
right term for, it, stormy but it's like a portal to.
Evil i've seen a lot of articles to make it
a little bit more relevant to the modern day. Now
i've seen a lot of articles of people that will
start thinking their profits because they type stuff TO ai
and they'll kill them elves and there'll be all kinds
of crazy things that will. Happen AND i think you
know one point that you've set on your podcast With,
astrol which is, EXCELLENT i recommend people listen to. It
AND i Don't. Astro if you're listening to, THIS i
understand why you wouldn't trust, me LIKE i think you
almost no one ever really meets A jewish Sincere jewish
convert To, christianity SO i don't hold him against. HIM
i think when you look at the nature of this,
magic you don't have to do magic deliberately with evil in.
Mind it's the mechanism when you open yourself up to this,
stuff evil throw flows through it to. You you don't channel.
IT i, mean this is another part that the rabbis
talk about over and over and over. Again the reason you,
know you're setting up all these wards against all these
different demonic influences Within, judaism and some of it's. Crazy
some of it's, like don't take a piss between a
palm tree and the wall of your house if it's
two cubits, wide because you'll let the demons. In that's how.
Legalistic a lot of the the quote stuff gets and
looking within the miss now like a vast majority of
it is mundane, law but a lot of it is
these just rules protecting people over and over and over
and over. Again and they don't just do that just
because the priest caste is extremely aware Of i'm not
going to say how to control, evil but they know
how it, enters and they know they know exactly how
it spreads through. People and if you look at The Old,
TESTAMENT i mean there's a lot of. Smiting there's a
lot of smiting going.
Speaker 4: On so.
Speaker 3: Kind of rambling a little bit, there But i'm very
you KNOW i one THING i really appreciate About Orthodox
christianity and other forms Of christianity is you don't touch
all this. STUFF i, mean even the Like satanic or
the whole, like don't Read Harry, potter It's satanism and
people laugh at that. Stuff but then to bring it
back to the, start look at this tranny shooter from earlier.
Today this can't be explained through some stupid materialist or
purely psychological. Reason this is not just like a simple
oh this person took, pill they went a little nuts
and they got angry at. Someone this is just it's
an unleashed. Demon you can't really see it as any other.
Way and also if you notice the, THING i, mean
this just got me so. Mad the mayor Of minneapolis
went ON tv and, said, uh don't pray for the,
Kids jewish, mayor you know THAT i don't even have
the words for how angry it. IS i don't want
to yell into my mic because it's not.
Speaker 4: Good that's funny because one of the Crassens mean brothers
happened to say the exact same, thing don't. Pray prayer started,
this don't. Pray why are all The jews suddenly on
the same page about how to respond to? This, hmm
that's really. Weird Brian krastenscein says the exact same, thing
AND i believe you said it right. BEFORE i THINK
i just, here let me check on my.
Speaker 3: TIMELINE i, mean just to spell it out while you're finding,
it to make it very. Plain there's not like a
telegram group where The krassenstein brothers and the mayor Of
minneapolis are coordinating messaging to each. Other there's No Emily's list.
Here this is not like a centralized message that's being put.
Out this is like an automatic. Reaction and you really
have to think spiritually about where this reaction is coming,
from because it's not.
Speaker 4: Um there you go eleven hours. Ago praying is the.
Problem you're not the. Solution people use prayer instead of.
Action if prayer has, worked a house of prayer wouldn't
have just gotten shot. UP i bet you wouldn't say
that if that was a, synagogue absolutely.
Speaker 1: Not it makes me da, well, yeah, well one of
the one of the things we're seeing is the immediate
politicization of.
Speaker 4: This so the.
Speaker 1: Like Laura, lumer of, COURSE i mean just a complete
and utter, psychopath and you know somebody that please don't let.
Speaker 2: It if you have kids and she's, around hide.
Speaker 4: Them, well apparently you definitely shouldn't campaign for either.
Speaker 2: The apparently the this shooter.
Speaker 1: ALLEGEDLY i don't really believe anything until you know SOMEONE
i trust tells me is. TRUE i had a whole
bunch of anti wish stuff written out, Too and so
The jews are making this about. Them screw The christian,
yes screw The catholics that.
Speaker 4: Died, yeah he just happened to. Say the shooter happened
to say two or three Anti semitic phrases before opening. Up,
apparently but yet kills a bunch Of, christians drives past the,
synagogue and this is all About jewish, politicians, house drive, past,
Literally jewish community, centers drive past all of these places
to go shoot Up, christians but just happens to say
something Anti semitic before. Shooting he literally has Anti christian
suffering on his. Rifle that makes me super suspicious considering
who the guy's mom.
Speaker 2: Is, well and also the.
Speaker 1: He Drove apparently he drove past The Holocaust museum, too Oh,
man of WHICH i Assume minneapolis probably has many considering
how old The jewish. Community the Oldest jewish daily newspaper
in The United states was it was In. Minnesota it
Was minneapolis At, minneapolis.
Speaker 3: They're having a real problem there WITH i, mean it's
basically Like jewish versus some political. CONTROL i mean that
The democrats there are a vast majority of them Are
jewish and they're.
Speaker 2: Columns, WELL i, mean this is this is like what.
Speaker 3: HAPPENS i, Mean, STORMY i told you the whole story
of like The Prague golum and, uh you, know for
people that don't, know LIKE i, guess, OKAY i bring
up all this like magic And judaism and, stuff and
people are gonna be, like, Wow i'm gonna go look at,
it and it sounds very trite and ass. Covering but
don't look at this stuff LIKE i became A christian
to avoid all this. Stuff like you're looking at like
real genuine. Evil this is not this is not like
casual crystal. MAGIC i, mean this STUFF i, mean destroys.
Souls it'll take your, all you, know don't listen to,
me listen to the saints on. It but, anyway so
the the Prog golum, story so essentially this there's about
to be a pogram In, PRAGUE i think was the original.
Lore and they built this gold amount of, clay these two,
rabbis and they have like all the rabbis and the
golm and, everything they all have Like kabbalistic. NAMES i,
mean if you look into the names of, It i'd
have to scroll back on our, chat but you can
see very obviously this is not like any any kind
Of torah derived. Theology this is all Cobbal and so
they build a gold out of. Clay it's like easily
ten stories, tall and they sick it on the goy
population Of progue and it, goes supposedly In jewish, law
smites everyone who is going to harm The. Jews so
the mindset is the people that are out there that
are going to harm The jews are like pure unsavable,
evil so it'll just go and kill them. All and
then lo and behold this evil. Entity it keeps killing
the people that summoned this. Thing the rabbi and the rabbi.
Student they can't contain. It so eventually they're saying enough
incantations to bring this thing to. Heal and they strike
a character of a word that's carved on its forehead
to change its, definition to remove the spirit from the.
Clay and then as they do, that they cover it
with pages of the sedors they see the. Leam those
are the all the prayer books that are used in.
Congregations so and they and then they store the thing
in the attic of the synagogue in case they need
to get it again. Sometime but, Uh, god WHEN i just,
say WHEN i spill it, out it's just, so.
Speaker 4: You, KNOW.
Speaker 3: I just don't quite know what to make of.
Speaker 2: It it's so.
Speaker 3: This is not like a godly thing that's happening. Here
and when you're born and Raised jewish LIKE i, was
you don't question. It there's not, like, oh, hey this
is really. Weird you, know what does this thing? Mean
what is? That you, know what is the role of
Non jewish? People you, know it's a whole separate. Topic
christians are not really viewed, well you, know but don't
take my word for. It you can check out the
h there is A Greek orthodox abbot and she was
On tucker's show recently explaining exactly how The israelis were treating,
her and so you just have to like bear that in.
Mind you, know The Christian zionists Take judaism very seriously
and very, solemnly but they really have no concept of
how it goes the other.
Speaker 2: Way so, yeah, YEAH i think we've been going.
Speaker 4: RIGHT i think that's a good place to put a
plug on.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, yeah, yeah we.
Speaker 1: Can we can always return to this because, UNFORTUNATELY i
think that things were only escalating and every once in
a while where you're going to need well often we're
going to need reminders of you, know what exactly is causing.
Speaker 3: This one final Point i'll, say, sure which is you,
know we've talked about all the magic, Stuff we've talked
about all The jewish, stuff like what can people do about?
It AND i hope you believe that at least someone
somewhere takes this op.
Speaker 4: Of what cross and scenes says pray or go.
Speaker 3: On you need to well, exactly you need to, pray
you need to go to. CHURCH i am sorry to
pigging people that are, listening but you have to have
faith In. CHRIST i think from WHAT i can, tell.
Speaker 4: You can't make up your Own god to be hot,
topic edgy contrarian.
Speaker 3: Guy christ is the only thing that.
Speaker 4: Can, well it's the only one that They it's the
exact they all. Hate what a, Pagan's, jews? Demons what
do they all have in? Common they Hate?
Speaker 3: Christ they Hate?
Speaker 4: Christians, yeah but why if you're a pagan and you
got the real thing or whatever that you just made?
Up what Does christianity matter to? You if you're the
chosen people And god picked you, personally then what the
fuck do you care About? Christians? For if you're a,
demon you live forever outside of time and, space all,
right what do you care about what? Faith the little
earthlings right with their small temporal lives do with? It
what do you care if They're christians or? Not what
do you care if They're you didn't care whether They're,
Pagans you didn't care whether They're. Jews in, fact you
really like both of. Those why Is christ the single
and only common denominator between any of these completely separate
and diverse and you, know disperse. Things why is Hating
christ so fundamental to things that should have nothing to
do with one. Another why should demon give a fuck
about what you pray?
Speaker 3: To christ is the only thing that dispels evil.
Speaker 4: Period what is? Evil? Chaos, incoherence?
Speaker 2: Entropy what is if you want to people want to know.
Speaker 1: Love the people who are practicing this, stuff they're pretty
open about.
Speaker 4: It, okay if you just, wears, well you.
Speaker 1: Don't you may believe that they do this stuff just
as some kind of ritual and it doesn't mean. Anything
but if anybody wants to see something that's pretty, Unexplainable
i'll link to it in the show. Notes go to
YouTube top Type. Goddard that's g ott H a R
D tunnel opening, Ceremony june, first twenty. Sixteen, yeah this
is the opening ceremony of the largest tunnel IN.
Speaker 2: I think in the. World and just. Watch.
Speaker 4: Yep they had a similar opening ceremony For cern by the, way,
yeah the large high drunk, collider but this one. Same
go on this.
Speaker 2: One is it's inexplicable other than it's just.
Speaker 4: It's just alarp bro playing.
Speaker 1: Around europe's ilites came to this tunnel and cheered on
this opening. Ceremony just go watch. It Goddard tunnel Opening,
Ceremony june, first twenty. Sixteen they they're not hiding.
Speaker 3: It there's an article on it in THE bbc with
all the, pictures and it's just like it's just. Insane
it's some, crazy insane.
Speaker 1: Shit all, right, Gentlemen i'm going to say good. Night
thank you very much for joining. ME i appreciate.
Speaker 3: It absolutely is a. Pleasure