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talk about the fact that within this recording I talk

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about the historic nasty a keresye within the church and

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how church fathers fought against it in the arguments they made.

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And I don't want anyone to think that because I

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brought up Protestant churches that don't believe in transubstantiation, that

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I'm saying that anyone denies that who doesn't believe in

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Speaker 1: Okay, It's really important to me not to cause divisions,

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Believe it's playful because it is. I'm only mean when

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because listening back, I think it could be taken in

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a bad way. So know that my intentions are almost

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always to educate and not to insult. Thank you, enjoy

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I don't know if that's the word for this. I

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want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanana show, to

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returning guests, and it was a second episode we've all

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done together. So Filos, what's happening.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing very well.

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Speaker 4: Pete Stormy always a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, we picked, ah, we picked a topic.

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even even longer, I don't even remember, because Stormy couldn't

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talk for a while. And then Filos was busy and

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YadA YadA and yeah, and then today we sitting around

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this morning and find out that, yeah, another demon jumps

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out and does demon shit.

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Speaker 2: So anybody want to jump in on that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So today, dear listener, a trans man, a demon

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possess man, shot up a Catholic school, particularly the mass.

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as it is right now, it's two dead and fourteen injured,

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so thank god, it could have been way way worse,

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considering how this fucking mutant was armed. But I've been

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poking around what little is available that hasn't been scrubbed.

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media channels whatever, but not like the unusual ones. So

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apparently there is this thing called the Skibbity farms, which

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up for even Kiwi farms, which is you know, it's

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because they probably didn't know about it, and also the

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the journal entroys and some of what was written on

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the firearm. So some bright anons got the idea of

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the shooter had an account there. So on the account

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in Kiwi Farms or sorry not Kiwi Farms, skibbty Farms.

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for nine to a order of nine angels, and that's

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proper Satanism. Shit. So yeah, that's where I'm ass so

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just as they look at this news story, is there's

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no material cause for this. There's not even in a

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broad sense, some kind of psychological disordering. This is not

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an individual that has, you know, some kind of diagnosis

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how these school shooters are on SSRIs, like it's SSRIs

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that are doing it, which is naive. But if anyone

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types into their search box of choice as serotonin reuptake

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inhibitors and look at what that family of drugs is

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disassociative state that's a person undergoing severe sexual abuse would do.

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all happen to be on SSRIs. It's not the SSRIs

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that are doing it, it's the disassociative state. A disassociative

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lots of deep meditation. Right, You're disassociating your conscious mind

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from your physical body, which opens the door for possession.

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these fucking animals have in their system are exactly the

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type of drugs. And if you think about how many

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people in our country are on SSR, right, it should

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give you pause. But yeah, certain types of hallucinogenic drugs

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deep meditative states. It's also what happens in an out

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of body experience. So yeah, all these things are the

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up unto a certain point in history. Yeah, you know,

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is meant to cause dissociation. And it's interesting that you

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mentioned that SSR eyes can do that because, I mean,

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it still happens and there are still widespread.

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Speaker 1: Like Freud finding out that so many of his clients

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were having sex with their children, it was it was

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easier for people to get away with it, you know,

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a long time ago. Now elites get away with it,

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and it's easier. It's not easier, but elites are the

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having a population that you can't that you're having trouble

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to cause them to have disassociation order, than SSRIs are

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a really easy way to.

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now that you can't.

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weren't effective. Like everybody remembers that, you know Tom Cruise

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jumping up and down in Oprah's couch, but forgets what

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he was jumping up and down about. Tom Cruise came

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out vocally against SSRIs, said they don't treat depression. They're dangerous,

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they're dangerous, and they don't treat depression. And everyone thought

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he was a fucking crazy person, because he is a

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crazy person, frankly right. But ten years later he would

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be vindicated because through a series of lawsuits, it came

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out that the pharmaceutic companies knew that SSRIs were fifty

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percent as effective in treating depression as thirty minutes of

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exercise a day or one hour outside. I'm not joking.

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Walking outside for an hour or thirty minutes of vigorous

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exercise was two times more effective at treating depression in

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both male and females. And they knew that at the

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time that they started shoving Prozac and zoloft, Paxel and

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all the others down the throats of millions of Americans

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who were dumb enough to tell their doctor, not their psychologists,

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not their psychiatrists. I can't remember. I always forget the

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differences between the two, right, But regular general practitioners were

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able to prescribe these SSRIs. So you just go tell

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your GP you had a bad day, and that motherfucker

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is going to try and put you on SSRIs because

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a pharmaceutical rep gives his family free vacations when he does.

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about three weeks that was dumb enough to tell that

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their doctor that they are feeling down, and he prescribed

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me zolofts. And luckily enough for me, I had a

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physical reaction, because I don't think I would have been

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the mental reaction. All right, So there's suicidal thoughts and

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ideations that are a leading side effct, but also so

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is swelling of the tongue and lips, which, thank god

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me to continue taking it. But my second night on

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when they're like reading a book in like the character's

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voice or whatever, that we all do. We know that that,

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we know that, we are conscious that there is no

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differentiation between that and our inner monologue. Right. We know

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it's us. Basically, we can see ourselves in the mirror,

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even though we're doing a funny voice reading a Harry

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Potter book to our kids or whatever. It passes the

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mirror test. A voice that is not your inner voice

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start speaking in your head, you notice right away. And

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kill yourself. And I was like, I think I was

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sixteen or seventeen, so old enough to have like a

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rifle that m making a shotgun in my room. Pick

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up your gun, kill yourself, kill yourself. And it terrified me,

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I never took them again. I told my mom, like, hey,

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this was making my lips and throat swell up. I

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can't take this anymore. I told my doctor and He's like, well,

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let's try a different one. I was like, no, I

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don't want to try them anymore. And by that point

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a bad enough experience where I didn't want to And Pete,

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do you know the only other time that I ever

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heard that voice was remember when I told you what

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happened to me after Nashville and while you sent me

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to the monastery for good bread? Yeah, same voice.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you get sent to that someone tells you, hey,

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that you know, there's this monastery you can go to,

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the morning after the Tennessee event very staticky. I couldn't think,

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a sudden, like right in the middle of it, like

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this whatever crazy thought would come bursting in and basically

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derail me. And I'm lying in bed and this goes

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on for thirty minutes. I'm getting really frustrated because I

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and start simple. I'm just saying that Lord's prayer. I've

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of a sudden I didn't. I would get three or

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four lines in and then pow, crazy thought person, and

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now I don't remember the words. Where was I? And

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almost an hour. All right. So I'm now lying in

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bed for almost two hours, and at this point I'm

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freaking out thinking that like that, I have a fucking stroke,

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like in my sleep. And I sit there and I'm like,

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all ight, I'm gonna do this word by word. And

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I got all the way to the second to last

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word and then pal just a horrible image in my

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head of some of a car crash. It was like

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people hanging out the like the window of a rolled

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over car, all mangled up and just completely fucked me up.

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All right, And I'm like, I visit I audibly said fuck,

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And then I hear in my head the same voice,

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the same voice that as I heard when I was

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a kid, laughing hysterically, just laughing. It's a point where

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it was like booming in my ears almost. He was

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having such a good time, and I shot up in

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bed and I was like, you motherfucker. I wasn't even thinking.

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I screamed at so loud. I woke up. The person's

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in the room with me and they're like, what's wrong,

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what's going on? I was like nothing, nothing, And I

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call Pete. Fifteen minutes later. I was like, Hey, there's

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supposed to be a cathedral in this freaking city, but

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it's closed, you know, on a Wednesday, which is stupid,

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Like I need to go to a church immediately. And

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then Pete, in a very calm voice for waking him

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up at six o'clock in the morning, or at seven

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o'clock in the morning, whatever it was, he goes, do

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you like bread? Answer is yes? And I drove four

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hours to a monastery and anyways, not being able to

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think the whole way long story short, by the time

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the church bells rang at that monastery, I could think again.

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I had immediate recall, just like I was perfectly normal,

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and it felt like somebody took one hundred pounds backpack

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off of me, So it doesn't always have to be

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like the movies. Oppression is not possession. These are different things, right.

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You don't have to see a possessed person. You don't

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have to be possessed for these things to to try

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and hurt you, carve out a piece of flesh. To them,

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it's all about having agency. They live in a world

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where they can see the world of things, the world

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of matter, and they have no ability to act on it. Right,

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So they're all thought and no ability to execute, no agency.

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They can think whatever they want to think. They can

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labor a thousand years, and none of it will ever

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have an effect in the material world. They can affect

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causality and chance this way or that way, but that's different.

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They cannot exert any agency in the real world where

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we are. So to them, the height of all forbidden

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pleasures is to extract that agency through us, some of

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its possession. Picking you up and driving you around like

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a moped, yes, but shoving you this way or that,

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being able to impede you in very important ways at

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very specific times. This also allows them agency. So you

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may have an experience with one of these things that

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is just in your head and if you're not cognizant

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of that, you'll think you're going crazy and then you'll

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end up on SSRI. But all I, all I needed

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was a quick splash of holy water and an hour

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of prayer. So like, being able to differentiate these things

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is important. Sorry, that was a really long monologue. There.

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Speaker 3: There's two things that come to mind here.

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Speaker 4: Also, they have amazing jelly by the way.

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Speaker 3: The first thing that comes to mind is, I don't

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know the science behind this, but how many studies have

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actually been done comparing the realistic ingestion of either multiple

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SSRIs but also combined with alcohol or other mood all

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terrain drugs. I mean, it's very often pharmaceutical drugs are

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tested with the control and with this single drug. But

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as anyone knows, no one pretty much no one, just

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as one SSRI. There's a vast majority of the young

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population under forty. I couldn't give you the exact statistic,

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but it's over fifty percent of people under forty years

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old or on some form of SSRIs.

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Speaker 4: It's more than that. Bro. The one thing about dating,

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like you know, being a zoomer girl magnet, is you

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get to learn a little bit a girl I saw recently,

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twenty six years old, her and every girl she knows,

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so like all of the girls she was friends with

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in high school in college, every single one is on

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not just ssriys but an additional mood stabilizer or antipsychotic,

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every single one. I don't think it's the same with boys,

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but with women, I would say it's like eighty percent

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with young women. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a word for it other than terrifying.

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I mean, I have immense gratitude that I was never

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on any kind of SSRI grown up, and I think

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as I approach my older age duringing thirty and I've

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started working out a ton, I really do agree with

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your prior statement that physical exercise and getting out in

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nature it has a meditative effect. There's a reason why

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Nietzsche would walk for eight hours at a whack, and

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that many monastics they're hiking all over Mount Athos, and

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the physical labor that's involved in a monastery. You're not

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sitting in a library only reading. You have an immense

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number of duties that are defined to you by an

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habbit and you have to carry out over time. And

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so it's not just sedentary prayer, even in Orthodoxy, you're

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standing the entire time, you're doing prostrations. There's a mindfulness

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to the nature of how you can combat this. I

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think it's I mean, there's so many different factors that

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I'm honestly surprised this sort of violent activity doesn't happen

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more often. Where people will take tons of pails and

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they'll drink a lot and smoke a lot of weed.

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They'll depress their central nervous system, and then they'll take

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a bunch of serotonin altering drugs and they won't move.

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And so your mind is just this connective machine. It's

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more powerful than the most powerful computer, and you're just

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kind of setting it loose and agitating it, and it's

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really just terrifying.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I drew out from kind of

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your story was the power of church bells. And I'm

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going to sound a little skitzo. This whole stream is

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going to be skitzo for those wondering. I was thinking

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about it when I was reading into the invention of

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church bells, because there's a lot of divine math behind

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music and harmonic frequencies between sounds.

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Speaker 4: Wire bells at the door of every monastery, every church

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every Catholic church, I'm assuming maybe the same with Orthodoxy

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every convent. They're little door, little bells, usually three or

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four of them. They're right by the door. You ring

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them as you come in. They're called sanctuary bells, and

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they'll usually have an image in you know, whatever metal

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it's made out of, usually brass, and the frame and

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structure will be you know, sometimes iron or brass, and

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in the iron or brass, there'll usually be a depiction

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of an angel standing atop a demon or a serpent

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with a spear. Right, So, yeah, they hate bells. There's

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a there's a there's an al chemical like hermetic maxim

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about the about sound. Right when it comes to truth,

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there's a lot of like, there's a lot of overlap

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between the two in many ways. I know that will

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upset a lot of people between between religious dogma, particularly

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Christian dogma, and hermetic axioms or hermetic proofs. When I

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say proofs, I mean her Meticism isn't a spiritual belief system.

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It's not a religion. It's more a philosophical toolkit for

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understand the world around you. So some of it overlaps

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quite nicely. I'm not supposed to say that, but they

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always say that you can hear the sound of the soul,

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can hear the sound of truth by its ring. And

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this is where we get the saying something rings true

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from because truth has a specific they believe that the

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truth has a specific sound to it. Right, And there's

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some inscriptions on these bells. I think I should read

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you in the meantime, why I pull them up? Go ahead, filo, Well.

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Speaker 3: I guess you know. When looking at the history of

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technology in the Middle Ages and late Antiquity, we find

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most of the earliest inventions were things like water mills,

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or they were machines that were designed with a very

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limited mechanical advantage of like one to one or one

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to two pulley systems, things like that. But sometimes the

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most advanced mechanisms behind things were also they're related to religion.

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For example, I'm thinking of the I'm going to script

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the name the Greek mechanism that was found on that

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shipwreck that would chart out the constellations mechanically through systems

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of gears, the anchi strata mechanism, I believe. But then

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also thinking about the the nature of bells and music,

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the earliest music was obviously entirely vocal, and it was polyphony.

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It was focused on the harmony between different voices to

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generate certain sounds what is pleasurable to the ear most.

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All classic composers Bach and Mozart and Handle, they all

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wrote church music. They all wrote liturgical music that was

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designed to be played at holy days, and kings would

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have their own court musicians to compose things. The Vatican

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would have secret music that they would play at certain

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certain occasions. And so the importance of sound and not

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just like a sort of random whatever instrument to jam

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or whatever that people would listen to. It was very

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seldom in the ancient world that you would hear any

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kind of music. And that kind of that brings me

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to one of my kind of I have a bunch

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of presuppositions laid out for this stream. One of them

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is that I think Christianity is for the most part

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centered upon unity the sacraments or the One Flesh, or

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the brotherhood between Christians. It's also the unity of music.

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The holistic part of it. Secularism is division. It's dissonance,

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it's noise overlapping noise. It's people playing music on their

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speakers on hikes. It's every you go to a gas

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station and there's a TV on the pump that will

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play an advertisement. I can't help but connect it with

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the sort of overwhelming desire from very bad people that

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want to entirely capture your attention and to steer you

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away from any kind of spiritual or religious pursuit.

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Speaker 4: I think, give me an intention.

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Speaker 3: Intention.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, So God is the Way, the blank and

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the light, the truth, the truth. So this is what

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many take to mean. I'm trying to find the inscription,

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but it's basically like something in his truth, you will

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find sanctuary something like that. On these sanctus spells, there

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is something that has to do with how to your

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point about music harmonies and I guess you could call

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it disharmony or cacophony A right, Chris Langen, who I

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urge everyone if they haven't checked out, already checked out.

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Langan is a Christian. I think he's the weirdest type

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of Christian I've ever encountered. Langan is a is a physicist.

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He's also the world's most highest like you man that

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has tested I think he's two something or other, right,

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and he has this theory right it's a unified theory.

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So both you unifies quantum mechanics and classical Einsteinian mechanics, right,

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And this is like the unified theory is like the

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holy grail of science. It really is. It's called the

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CTMU theory. And basically it's the only theory of only

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unified theory or really any physical theory at a systems level.

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Like you know, classical mechanics or quantum mechanics are both

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system level theories, all right. They don't just explain a

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specific action. They are generalized, right, so they explain everything

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everywhere in that domain. And to unify these two things

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is basically the thing that the greatest minds in theoretical

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physics have dedicated their whole lives too, at least in the

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past one hundred years. And I've read all of the

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ones worthwhile string theory is not worthwhile and for anyone

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that cares that's listening, and Langan is the only one

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that I think has even come close, and I think

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he's actually cracked it. But basically, in the reason I

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bring this up is because there's something called the the

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Schrodinger's principle in quantum mechanics or also also called the

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observer principle, right, and that is you've all heard Schrodinger's

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cat right, that's what's called the quantum uncertainty principle. Right.

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But a quantum particle is actually a really interesting thing

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because it does certain things when you're looking at it,

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and then it does other things when you're not looking

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at it. And I mean that quite literally. And even

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if you're looking through a camera through like if you

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are observing it or trying to measure it in any way, right,

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if conscious intention is pointed at it, it behaves differently. Right.

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So if it's velocity is measurable, right, the second you

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measure its velocity, right, so you are plant, you are

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seeing it, you are observing it. You are now unable

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to measure it's vector, what direction it's going. And if

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you try and measure its vector, you are no longer

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able to determine its velocity. It fundamentally changes its ability

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to be perceived on whether someone is trying to perceive it.

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And if you read Schrodinger, I was lucky enough to

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get a hold of some of Einstein and Schrodinger's correspondents

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as a younger man with that was able to be

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much more frivolous with my income. And these guys talk

474
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,360
about it not from a scientific level but from a

475
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,320
actual consciousness level, right, Because if you set a machine

476
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,920
to observe it, none of these problems manifest. It's only

477
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,480
when a person, a conscious being, tries to measure it.

478
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,199
And there'll be a million videos about Neil deGrasse Tyson

479
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,599
debunking my take on it. But unlike Neil de grass Tyson,

480
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,119
I possess fucking Schrodinger's actual words to Einstein, so he

481
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:10,119
can get fucked. Sorry, I need to work on my swearing.

482
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:14,760
I've been told i'd do it gratuitously, so it is

483
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,199
something I'm going to try and work on. Right. So,

484
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,639
even from the beginning of quantum mechanics, we knew that

485
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,800
consciousness was fundamental to how things operated. We didn't know

486
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,880
why it was or what exactly it does. But it's

487
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,519
built into the framework of our reality, right. It fundamentally

488
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:38,719
is part of the house we live in. Whether it's

489
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,960
the roof, whether it's the windows, the doors, we don't know.

490
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,559
And if we pull it out, whether the house falls

491
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,079
down or not, we don't know. But it's a part

492
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,840
we do know that, and it's integral. We do know that.

493
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,639
So Langan was the only person to basically unify the

494
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:04,079
two fields of physics and show where basically it's a

495
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:13,079
unified physical theory in which consciousness is fundamental. Right, And

496
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:20,559
as he works through this theory, it becomes undeniable that

497
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:27,880
there is a much larger consciousness, a single, a singular, unified,

498
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,079
global consciousness. And I mean global. I don't mean like

499
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,239
on our planet. I mean everywhere, in all places, at

500
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,480
all times. Whether it's a hundred million light years in

501
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:48,519
one direction, that consciousness is there. Whether it's one hundred

502
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:53,679
million light years in another direction, consciousness is there, whether

503
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,079
it's one hundred million years in the past, and either

504
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,119
those spots, consciousness is still there. There is this single consciousness,

505
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:08,079
separate and apart from us, that is everywhere. And in

506
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:12,079
his words, I've stolen this, and I may have quoted

507
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:25,599
it without citation, but he says, oh, and this consciousness

508
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,039
is what structures the rules. Right. If you say gravity

509
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,039
accelerates a body in space at X amount of miles

510
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:42,880
per hour, if the body is xcize, whatever that number

511
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:49,239
is is the same everywhere, right, that body will fall

512
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,360
at the same speed in alpha centurai as it will

513
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,800
in your backyard, right. The number doesn't move right, So

514
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:05,199
there is finite rules that exist everywhere. Those rules never change,

515
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:12,880
the values of these forces never change. And in CTMU theory,

516
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,559
he basically proves out how it is this unified, global,

517
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:25,840
discrete consciousness that, as it is existing, its existence takes

518
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:32,039
all of these rules, these values and fixes them in place. Right, So,

519
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,559
if I were to change the speed at which that

520
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,840
mass falls via gravity by let's say I don't know

521
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,159
ten percent or one percent, well, that scaled up to

522
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:50,039
the whole universe would have increased gravity enough to collapse

523
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,159
the whole universe in on itself. Actually, if I change

524
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,679
the value of gravity point zero zero zero one in

525
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:06,119
one direction, the universe collapses in on itself immediately after

526
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,760
it's created. If I change it the other direction, there's

527
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,840
not enough gravity for sub atomic particles to come together

528
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:18,639
and form atoms, molecules, whatever, mass doesn't exist. So it

529
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,199
is these values being set exactly where they are on

530
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:29,599
a pinpoint that allows any of this to even take place. Us, dogs, cats,

531
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:35,320
your house, the planet, all of it. And it's this

532
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,559
singular consciousness that binds these things and fixes these things

533
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:43,480
in place, so they can exist, which defines a logos

534
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,280
a truth. It is this singular consciousness that sets this truth.

535
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,960
These values are affixed through it. And he says, God's

536
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:04,679
logos is our geometry, his truth. Right, his conscious mind

537
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:10,719
is what affixes everything in our universe, or it sets

538
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,440
the values, determines what dimensions there are, what we can go.

539
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,320
The reason why we exist in three dimensions is because

540
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:23,519
God's truth. The reason we don't exist in nine is

541
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:29,000
the same. So God's logos is fundamentally the binding agent

542
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,360
that holds all reality together. And that's why I say

543
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,320
he's like the most interesting type of Christian I come across,

544
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:44,679
because the man has come to God from first principles.

545
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,119
So when we say that Christ is the Truth, the Way,

546
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,519
and the Light, we have a lot more evidence to

547
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:58,840
back that up than pretty much anybody else does. And

548
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:07,639
you can explain certain mechanisms, and he basically defines mathematically

549
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,000
the mechanisms in which evil exists in right, it is

550
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:16,320
a secondary consciousness. And I'll let everybody go check out

551
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,639
his work and he'll be happy. Or hit him up

552
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:22,119
on Twitter. He'll be happy to tell you all about it.

553
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,840
Considering the fucking raw deal that academia was given him,

554
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:35,880
has given him, thanks Eric Weinstein. And he describes evil

555
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:45,880
as incoherence and chaos with malice, right, So chaos incoherence

556
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:56,800
has malice. Right. So when we say, like the left

557
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:05,639
has entropy, the left is entropy, it is decoherence, but

558
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,519
there is a malice behind it, a singular malice. Anyways,

559
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,719
So when we talk about harmonies Philo and you talk

560
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,599
about the geometries of ballastings like that, I think we

561
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,440
may be getting way far afield here, and I think

562
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,960
that's un largely responsible for that.

563
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,679
Speaker 2: Some like a guess, yeah, go on.

564
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: Some some may ask at this point, like half dreams, well,

565
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,079
what what opens what opens the door for for possession?

566
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:54,360
Now in Catholicism, according to the Exorcists who've written, it's

567
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:01,440
very simple. It's dabbling in the occult. And even William

568
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,599
Peter Bladdie and the Exorcist, William Peter Bladdy very very

569
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:10,639
interesting man, was in the psych warfare division of the

570
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,280
Army and come out comes out of that and decides

571
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,760
to write a trilogy telling the world that demons exist

572
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,199
and they possess people. But if everybody remembers, if they've

573
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,639
seen the movie, if you haven't stop what you're doing

574
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,920
and go watch Go watch the Exorsist. In nineteen seventy three,

575
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,760
Linda Linda Blair's character Reagan had found a weisure board

576
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:45,320
and she started playing with it. And it's it's as

577
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,159
simple as that. Now you can get into definitions of well,

578
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:50,760
you know, I don't play with wision boards, I don't

579
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,400
do this, I don't do that. But what do you

580
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:58,880
practice that is? Or what are you reading or what

581
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,599
are you listening to? What are you doing that is occultish?

582
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,119
That does open up the door, you know. So I

583
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,199
just wanted to throw that out there because one thing

584
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,079
I learned from, you know, going to a Baptist church

585
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:21,320
for for years and then going to a Protestant seminary,

586
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,199
a Conservative Protestant seminary, is they will tell you spiritual

587
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,880
warfare exists and to be you know, to be worry

588
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,360
of it. But they don't have the doctrine that Apostolic

589
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:39,079
churches do. The centuries and centuries and centuries that the

590
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,920
Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. If you ask somebody

591
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,320
about the you know, the spirit, the spirits in the

592
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:54,880
in the realms, and they don't have the kind of

593
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,320
training and the kind of research that has been done

594
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,679
for centuries. You I going to know exactly what it is.

595
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,880
It's like, sure, yeah, okay, but how do I how

596
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,679
do I avoid it?

597
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: What do I do? How do I recognize it?

598
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: If I did feel like myself or somebody close to

599
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,119
me was suffering, how would I deal with it?

600
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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean I understand people's.

601
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: Attachment to their lineage, their confessional heritage, whatever, But reading

602
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:42,360
a Catholic or an Orthodox book on spiritual warfare and possession,

603
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,360
you're going I think the problem is is I think

604
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,679
a lot of people who read that, even Protestants, don't

605
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:57,159
believe it, even though these are people who are experiencing it.

606
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:03,199
You know, Sean Ryan just said Dan Schneider, who's a

607
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:11,920
PhD and former former military he's a trained exorcist assistant.

608
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,480
And I think it was four hours. I think they

609
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,840
did four hours with Sean Ryan. I mean, just start there,

610
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,519
you know, go find that episode and then dive in.

611
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:30,639
Not telling you you have to leave your church, but

612
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,079
I'm telling you if you really want to, if you

613
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,039
really want to understand what this is, and you believe

614
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:41,920
that these entities exist, but you don't have in your

615
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:50,119
confessional heritage, a coherent understanding or a systematic explanation for it.

616
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,719
Go search that out.

617
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're all Christians, come borrow our tools.

618
00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I am there there. There are

619
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,800
things about the about going to Protestant churches that I

620
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,960
like very much, and I don't feel that it's a

621
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:13,360
it's a threat, a threat to who I am, where

622
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,719
I came from, what my family practiced.

623
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:21,079
Speaker 4: So you're on on your point, Pete, real quick about

624
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:25,800
how prod see see this type of stuff. I agree

625
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,039
with you. I think a lot of them don't even

626
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:31,360
believe this exists. They believe that they are in like

627
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,320
a one v one fight and all that matters is

628
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:45,360
them their conduct and whether that gets them into paradise

629
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,920
or not. Right, So there's only two actors in the system, right,

630
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,480
the world that they exist in created by God and

631
00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:00,719
them and their actions, and that's it. They don't quite

632
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:09,920
see it as a larger playing field with other, you know, agents,

633
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,840
and that opens up oneself not to possession. I know

634
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,320
very very very very good Christians that are prods that have,

635
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,039
I have no doubt in my mind, will be in paradise.

636
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:37,039
But you could be like the best fighter guy in

637
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:43,559
the world. But that doesn't mean you're able to actually

638
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:52,360
fight in like a war where there are pieces moving around, right,

639
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,360
there are other types of things besides other really good

640
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:02,639
fighter guys. Like it is a almost a symphony of

641
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,960
terrible there's a whole bunch of people, like there's too

642
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,239
many pieces on the game board to see it as

643
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,760
just all that matters is me and my relationship with God.

644
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,199
And I think that's something that prod's fall into a

645
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:23,480
lot where a lot of the older churches they find

646
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,519
they flat out say, like this is we mankind exists

647
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,599
in a state of spiritual warfare. Right, there's a million

648
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:41,719
enemies of God, a million spirits as there are animals, flora,

649
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,400
and fauna on the earth, and they're right, they literally

650
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,679
are just roaming around. And to Pete's point about saying

651
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,880
like he be occult is one way that this happens.

652
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:04,639
Remember that quantum particle, right, it knows where your intention is,

653
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:09,599
and whether your intention is on it or not on

654
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,960
it is going to determine how it acts. This is

655
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:17,360
much the same, right, porn is as much of a

656
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:23,559
doorway as occultism, because what are you focusing your intention on? Oh,

657
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:27,679
by the way porn. I mean, there's dozens and dozens

658
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:33,119
and dozens of studies about how porn. Watching porn creates

659
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:38,760
a disassociative state. Right, One imagines themselves outside of their

660
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,039
body and in the position of the person that they

661
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:48,559
are watching in pornography, right, so they are imagining themselves,

662
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:52,119
not themselves, but that person to which they are watching.

663
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:57,920
You know, that creates a disassociative state. And what is

664
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:06,800
your intention on? Where you focus your intention matters? Right,

665
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,400
Like these are this I mean, God didn't tell you

666
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,000
what the rules were for his own benefit. Go ahead, filove.

667
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think what I'd like to do a lot

668
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,199
of these notes that I've outlined are a lot of

669
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:27,679
these definitional and history primary sources for Christianity and Judaism.

670
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about enemy action.

671
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess I'll leave it up to you

672
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,960
to My plan is to start with the Christian definition

673
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,599
of basically the human understanding of God or in a

674
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,440
way to make sense of it, and then to go

675
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:50,199
into like the Jewish corruption of it, because I think

676
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,360
that helps ground the discussion in a little bit more

677
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,840
of you know.

678
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: Well, we've been discussing for like forty five minutes, so

679
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:58,280
we're not grounded by now.

680
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:04,679
Speaker 3: Sure, I guess Saint Gregory of Nissa. He makes an

681
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,679
argument on why you shouldn't consider Jewish or Pagan theology seriously.

682
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,280
And when you look at a lot of modern religion

683
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,159
or the way that people approach religion, they don't really

684
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:20,360
know what they're praying to. They don't really know how

685
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:25,039
the divine works. And I think that just to like

686
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,679
get this out there, I think that the people's do.

687
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,079
In my mind, as an Orthodox Christian, there's one way

688
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:36,239
out of this mess, and that's prayer to Christ. And

689
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:41,880
that's being a Trinitarian Nicene Christian. Psalm thirty three six

690
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,159
by the word of the Lord, where the heavens established

691
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,760
and all their power by the spirit of His mouth.

692
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,719
And one interesting thing that I've done is I've looked

693
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,199
at that, and I've looked at the Hebrew translation, and

694
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:56,639
I've looked at the Greek septuagen translation of this. And

695
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:01,000
if you take this to be literal, that word and

696
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:06,519
breath in the human sense or these powerless things, what

697
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,719
it means if you're taking everything from a human centric perspective,

698
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:14,639
if you're approaching religion from a purely materialist angle. These

699
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:18,280
concepts of word and breath just have no power. Our

700
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:23,079
words and our breath are inoperative and ineffective without subsistence.

701
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:28,960
The capital W word in Christianity and the capital B

702
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,559
breath are divine. A word has essential being, and a spirit,

703
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:39,119
the Holy Spirit, has subsistence. This is the first major

704
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:42,280
example he picks out of how to define the Trinity,

705
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,960
the Godhead. And so you have to look at these

706
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,159
objections to what God is. Jew and Greek. They might

707
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,960
not necessarily even contest the existence of God's Word and spirit.

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The Greek might say, due to Platonism, that they'll rely

709
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on their on eight ideas, and the jew will quote

710
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:06,159
a bunch of scripture at you. But what the two

711
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:09,280
of them do is they equally reject the plan by

712
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which God's Word becomes man. And they'll say that. And

713
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I've found this over and over and over again, because

714
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,159
I looked at a ton of Jewish post exilic writings

715
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:25,559
like the mid Rush and the Mishnah. They just plainly

716
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:28,480
look at attributes of God and say that they aren't God.

717
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,280
They isolate it to something different. And I think I

718
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,280
could inform this more of the background with the Hellenism.

719
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,119
But I can get into that when I talk about Judaism.

720
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,519
I wanted to like run Christian mysticism by you, Stormy,

721
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,679
just to you know.

722
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Speaker 4: Well, real quick, what did the Jews seem to be

723
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:58,519
well aware that words spoken right, so words with breath

724
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:03,840
have spirit? Would that be correct?

725
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

726
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,519
Speaker 4: They care very much about what words are spoken out loud.

727
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, the shimap, the whole section on Judaism, Yeah, absolutely.

728
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Speaker 4: I think we should get into that a little bit

729
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because I don't think that the dear listener, like they've

730
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heard us on the timeline and you know whatever say

731
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,360
like this is evil. You know, there are aspects of

732
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Judaism is evil, but I bet you they've like nobody's

733
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:42,480
actually come out outside of what they've done and their actions,

734
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:49,559
you know, against Christianity and against Christ himself. I don't

735
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think there's a lot that people know about the just

736
01:00:54,679 --> 01:01:01,639
day to day practicings of that religion are evil and

737
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:07,440
what is happening, you know, is not what you think

738
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:09,920
is happening, and in fact is not even what most

739
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,920
Jews think is happening, but something else is happening entirely.

740
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Would you agree in my assessment that Judaism as it's practice,

741
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not like the Reformed, which is basically just nonsense made

742
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:32,440
up by rabbis to keep the ethnic solidarity going. All right,

743
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,119
but the actual practice, spiritual practice is more akin to

744
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:38,719
black magic than it is anything else.

745
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Speaker 3: Yes, and I can prove that with sources.

746
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Speaker 4: Go on.

747
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 3: Okay, So again for the listener who may not have

748
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,039
caught me, I've been on Beach Show before. Before I

749
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,519
was an Orthodox Christian, I was a Jew. So between

750
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that and living over in Israel and reading and speaking Hebrew, like,

751
01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:59,679
I've verified all this. This is not me pulling it

752
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:03,119
out of my ass or something I found on the

753
01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:08,320
Hubbad website. Let's see, where's a good part to start

754
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:15,519
out with this? Uh, let's just start with the prayers, right,

755
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:19,480
So most people have no idea how Jewish prayer service works.

756
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:25,119
What happens in Christianity when you go to a church.

757
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,880
Christ is the bridegroom and the church is the bride.

758
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That's John three twenty nine, that's Mark two nineteen, and

759
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:36,719
that's Ephesians five twenty two. And if you would throw

760
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:38,400
out the Dennis Preger definition of.

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Speaker 4: Judaeo Christianity, you yes, please.

762
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: You know that has to go immediately out the window.

763
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Jews do not believe in that there. It's more than

764
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just having a Christ shaped whole in here.

765
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Speaker 4: Let me just let me just run through what they

766
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actually believe. Yeah, right, So pre larionic and larionic Kabbalistic Judaism,

767
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:04,519
this is where Shabbad shit like this comes from. I

768
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:06,519
remember you asked me once like what these Shabbad guys

769
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are actually up up to? Right, So here we go.

770
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It's three. It has three ideological nodes that can be

771
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:31,159
shown why Gentiles can either be simultaneously authors, hostage or

772
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:38,960
collaborators in tikun from tikan Olam without collapsing the status

773
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of Israel as the chosen people. So in pre larionic

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there are two tier structures. Right, One the Jews do

775
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:56,800
not have the spark themselves. Another version of it, so

776
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lurionic the spark. Oh yeah, this is the other thing

777
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:07,960
is God, the Creator was broken up into a million

778
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billion pieces and spread and hidden all over the place

779
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in little sparks. I'm not joking at all. Right, all

780
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:24,159
humanity carries these sparks and they're scattered by another spirit

781
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:32,639
shiverrat Klem right, and chosenness is not a racial essence.

782
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,440
This is pre louronic but a contractual agency. The Jewish

783
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,440
soul is equipped with a teacum license. I guess you

784
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,480
could call it a divine power of attorney to extract

785
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and elevate its assigned fragments. Right, So they're on sparks,

786
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:56,519
scavenger hunts. Gentiles possess the sparks, but not the some sparks,

787
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but not the license right to start putting them together

788
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or extracting them from other places that they may be hidden. Hence,

789
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a gentile can be an author of teakan healing only

790
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when acting through or after a Jewish activation, so to speak,

791
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:25,039
I'm para, I'm using some metaphor, right, But then there

792
01:05:25,239 --> 01:05:33,639
is the lurionic right, so Jewish, so this would be shabbad. Right,

793
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:41,280
So Jewish rabbis are a medium, a spark location map. Right.

794
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:47,559
The jew himself is a Messianic code that identifies which

795
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:56,079
sparks are inside which non Jewish hosts. All right, Jew's

796
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:03,920
use of the gentile objecting, singing, borrowing, whatever transmutes his

797
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:11,480
latent hidden spark in deliberated God energy. I can go on,

798
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:14,480
but this is actually what they believe. If you actually

799
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,440
want to know what ju Judaism is actually about. This

800
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,559
is what it's about. I can. I can send you

801
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:25,840
the breakdown between lurionic and pre lurionic Cabbalism. But you

802
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,119
remember you asked me one time if I like what

803
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,679
those Shabbad guys are actually like on about, like what

804
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:32,760
they're up to. This is what they're up to.

805
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:38,559
Speaker 3: And I also found, like how far back now not.

806
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:41,519
Speaker 4: Very Christian, lots of jodeo, but I can't do the

807
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:43,800
Christian in this spark hunt Well.

808
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Speaker 3: I remember, like I explained a lot of the medieval

809
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,360
history to Pete, which I know pretty well. I know,

810
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,719
I knew very well back to like fifteen hundred or so,

811
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:56,679
But I before this reach was thing for this stream,

812
01:06:56,679 --> 01:06:59,800
I didn't really take a look at the origins of

813
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,280
a lot of the other more ancient elements. I mean,

814
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because the mindset in Judaism, like the formal doctrine that

815
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:10,440
rabbis tell Jews in the religion is it's an unbroken

816
01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:16,400
chain of law passed down genetically from Moses on the

817
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,840
mountain God giving him the Torah, the law and the

818
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,920
yeah exactly and this existing unchanged unerring with the exact

819
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,199
doctrines through all time to the present and for all

820
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time into the future. But there's some elements that disprove this.

821
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Speaker 4: So and he would think that he would know that

822
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,320
that's a bold faced lie.

823
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're if you're like a cultural Jew

824
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:43,320
that doesn't speak Heber, you wouldn't even it wouldn't even

825
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,000
cross your map.

826
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Speaker 4: You wouldn't yet. So the rabbi is literally giving you

827
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:50,000
a sales pitch full of not true shit to get

828
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:50,760
you to do a thing.

829
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to elucidate, like how far back this goes?

830
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Because you mentioned like the pre Larriac Kabbala in the

831
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:06,320
second century BC. You have to understand the interpretado greca

832
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of Judaism and the encounter between Judaism and Hellenism, because

833
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,960
Judaism is not this religion that's operating within isolation, just

834
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,079
among itself. The entire history of Judaism is Judaism and

835
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:22,600
other groups encountering each other. And it's completely false to

836
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,840
say that Jewish theology was unaffected by these other groups.

837
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So I'll just I'll list a whole bunch of examples

838
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:31,079
as quickly as I can and stop me. At any

839
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:35,560
point in the second century before Christ, Posidonius portrays the

840
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,359
Jews not as theologians, but is a collective group of philosophers.

841
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:44,319
Hectadaeus of abderrah right in the fourth century BC that

842
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:47,439
there was already an extant priests caste in the time

843
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:52,720
of the early Ptolemies that was practicing Egyptian magic. Theophostras

844
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,079
states that the Jews worship Heaven itself as the highest

845
01:08:56,119 --> 01:09:02,479
God instead of a universal God, a true monotheism. Monotheism

846
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:08,039
is a modern concept Indica of Megasthenes, who was the

847
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:11,920
ambassador of the Celucid Empire to India between three four

848
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,720
and two ninety two BC, He stated that the ancient

849
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,359
Indian Brahman culture reflects the same theological understanding of nature

850
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,680
and reality as the Syrian Jews. Clearchus of Soli, who

851
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,319
is a pupil to Aristotle, describes the total hellenization of

852
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,239
language and the soul of even the wisest and most

853
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,359
upper elements of the priests class of Jews. Both Clearchus

854
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,039
and Posidonius, one hundred and fifty years apart, in writing,

855
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,479
described the Jews as practicing amniromancy, which is the study

856
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,840
of dreams. Celsus, who writes in the second half of

857
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,079
the second century AD describes the Jewish God as interchangeable

858
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,479
as discussed between Jews themselves with the Greek, Scythian, and

859
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,159
Egyptian gods. That is to say that Zeus and Zeus, Saba, Papaeus,

860
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:02,439
or Ammun can all be used interchangeably with the Jewish

861
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:09,000
conception of Hashem. Additionally, Jewish syncretism with other cultures existed

862
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,760
in the Greek speaking diaspora prior to christ. The Jewish

863
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:19,279
pagan cults of Sambathion and Thyatira, the Sabatistes in Secilia,

864
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,439
the Sambatheki in the Egyptian Nowcratics, and the Hypsistarians in

865
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,000
the Bosphorus of Age of Minor are all Judeo Hellenized

866
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:34,279
cults that are operating within a priest caste and over time.

867
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,760
Prior to the establishment historically of the Pharisees, there was

868
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,800
a crisis within Judaism between about one to seventy five

869
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,800
BC and the mid one sixties, which is where the

870
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,359
more radical reformers, i e. Certain elements of the priest

871
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:52,239
caste attempted to abolish the entire Torah. So in reaction

872
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:55,399
to this, the historical reason that Judaism in the life

873
01:10:55,399 --> 01:11:00,239
of Christ when it exists then as the Pharisees control Judea,

874
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,560
is that it is extremely rigid and dogmatic, and that

875
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,760
is a lot of the historical basis for why they

876
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,880
decry Christ and defame him and ultimately put him to death.

877
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,239
And you also have to consider that, especially in the

878
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:23,800
postexilic context, God has both a Holy One male gendered

879
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,680
form and a Sharina presence for the female form within

880
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:33,880
the same universal concept of God. So there's a whole

881
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:38,000
bunch of other different items that go with this. Uh,

882
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:39,840
but I was wondering if you had anything to say

883
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:40,399
on that before.

884
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,079
Speaker 4: I kind of assume this is why when the Orthodox

885
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:46,159
guys are praying against the wall it looks like they're

886
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:50,439
rocking back and forth. They're not rocking back and forth.

887
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:56,560
They're actually humping because in the type of prayer that

888
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:02,800
they're doing, they are to be like the creator God,

889
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:09,520
not the spirit or force, right, not the basically having

890
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:15,760
intercourse with the female deity. So they are quite literally,

891
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:22,399
well they're literally trying to fuck the wall. Figuratively, they

892
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:30,880
are basically re enacting copulation between the male and female deities.

893
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:35,720
This they're not rocking back and forth they are humping. Yep.

894
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: The basis for this, I mean to prove the stormy's right.

895
01:12:39,399 --> 01:12:42,279
So a lot of things about Judaism are some sort

896
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:45,720
of inversion of Christianity. So in Christianity, Christ is the

897
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,000
bridegroom in the Church is his bride. Right, those passages

898
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:52,359
I mentioned earlier, well, the opposite of that in there's

899
01:12:52,399 --> 01:12:54,479
a prayer and Judaism at the end, at the start

900
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,079
of Shabbat called the cad and the Shabbat bride. The

901
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:03,560
kala is the divine feminine, the Shahina, which is ritually

902
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,439
enacted brought into the synagogue to join the Jewish people

903
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,319
who are the groom. This is spoken, This is a

904
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:13,279
standard prayer. It's all Jews in every synagogue on shabbatam

905
01:13:13,279 --> 01:13:17,000
the planet, every single one. And this is even especially.

906
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:20,119
This is not a biblical prayer. You can't find this

907
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:23,239
anywhere in the Torah. It's from the Midrash written in

908
01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:28,039
the second cent century a d. Which I mean, I

909
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:33,000
mean it's it's further elaborated upon a Cristicism, right, and

910
01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:37,680
it's it's further influenced by Rabbi Schimuel Idols, who lived

911
01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:41,600
from the fift mid fifteen hundreds to the early sixteen hundreds.

912
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:44,840
It's the same evidence for this is given in the

913
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:51,600
ridi Agadelt, which is a kabbala, kabala's text. And I

914
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,479
have more like more items from the Jewish prayer service

915
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,000
to bring up where people don't necessarily know.

916
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,159
Speaker 4: So here's something that knowledge people may know. Is the

917
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:09,039
Kabbala was originally Greek. You know, there's that study of uh,

918
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:13,159
there's much to do is made in Judaism about goa

919
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:22,199
mantria yep, and basically number of magic that originally comes

920
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,920
from Pythagoreanism. Right. So the Kabbala spelt with a Q

921
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:34,039
not a K, is a Greek book of well, it's

922
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:40,720
a series of books that is both magical text as

923
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:45,359
in like we'll call it like magical backstory for said texts,

924
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:50,960
and then magical text is in like operational texts. Right,

925
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:59,840
So that is what the Greek Kabbala is the Jewish Kabbala.

926
01:15:01,279 --> 01:15:03,840
It is a hybrid. And this has proven out here.

927
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,800
Let me let me see if I can find this

928
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:18,840
ours notoria, ours notoria. No where is it too many books?

929
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:19,560
Too many books?

930
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:22,159
Speaker 2: Ah?

931
01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:32,199
Speaker 4: Here we go. This is the This is the other

932
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:38,199
bit that they don't tell you about in Judaism. This

933
01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:47,600
is on doctor Stephen Skinner's translation of a very very

934
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:56,640
nasty bit of magical text called the the Keys of Solomon.

935
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,720
The names are interchangeable. What matters is the ritual, right,

936
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:09,439
So Keys of Solomon is just the Jewish name for

937
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,560
it that it's mostly remembered by. But I mean this,

938
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:21,079
this was called the Seven Seals in Greek. No Solomon attached,

939
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and a similar thing with a certain Egyptian deity. Anyways,

940
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:33,680
here we go, right, sources of the Solomonic magical tradition.

941
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:42,680
Topic has no, no no, where we go yes, So

942
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,640
for the benefit of those readers have not read this one,

943
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:53,119
this were three The Greco Egyptian magical Papyri right is

944
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:57,960
found to be the original source. Right, so it's called

945
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:04,479
the PGM for short. Right. Oh, the primary Egyptian nomina

946
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:10,399
magica were dropped the bulk of those taken by Jews

947
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:16,560
in Alexandria. The methods such as threatening one spiritual creature

948
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:23,039
with another using phylactery or lament, or a floor circle

949
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:28,840
for protection. There are very few methods that were introduced

950
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:34,520
into the Kapala itself that did not first originate three

951
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:42,760
hundred years earlier in Egypt. So most of the ritual

952
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,800
magic in Judaism, which is a lot of it, comes

953
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:54,279
from the Greco Egyptian magical papyri, and particularly a much

954
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,920
nastier version of it. Leave it to Jews to kind

955
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,680
of crank things up to eleven right, called the Seven

956
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,399
Keys of Solomon, which I don't urge anyone to look

957
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:10,960
into ever. But yeah, so they basically, like you're talking about,

958
01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:13,399
they go around the world. It's like they're going around

959
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,079
the world picking up like the naughtiest magic of each

960
01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:21,880
and every place and rolling it all together. So it's

961
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:28,279
not like they're polytheistic, which they are. It's like they're, well,

962
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,760
what's the word for, like not many gods, but all

963
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,920
of them? Like, yeah, we have tons of gods, which

964
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:40,920
gods everyone we run into. Yeah, pantheistic would technically work,

965
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:45,439
but yeah, anyone can check out Steven Skinner's work on

966
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:52,079
the origins of the Kabbalah, right, so he basically carved

967
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:55,000
out which came from the Greek Ah. So I couldn't

968
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:59,680
find you, but yeah, so we talked about which came

969
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,279
from the Greek and which came from the Egyptian and

970
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:08,479
basically how it was how and what it was turned

971
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:13,239
into in the Jewish texts, but most of the texts

972
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:16,640
of the Kabbalah, which is many books. I think the

973
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,560
so Har has more books, but this represents almost all

974
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,920
of like let's say Shabbad right Shabbat, which is the

975
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:30,840
largest growing sect of Judaism. Members like Lex Wexner, who

976
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,600
is the guy that brought Shabad to the US. Other

977
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:42,159
illustrious members like Igor Kolamoyski of Ukraine who in partnership

978
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:46,279
with Lex Wexner, set up all the Shabbat schools around

979
01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:54,960
the country, and it's got such notable members as Ben

980
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:02,640
Shapiro and Jared Kushner are all shabbat Niks. These guys

981
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:11,319
are cobbylists. So these guys, Mark Levin also a Shabbotnik.

982
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:19,520
Their whole understanding of faith, religion, Judaism, whatever, right, what

983
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,239
they practice in their day to day it's quite literally

984
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:31,880
Greco Egyptian dark magic. And it's not a joke.

985
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 3: I could just pull stuff fred out of the mission

986
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:42,319
of Torah for okay, So I mean people really under

987
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:43,600
I mean people just don't know.

988
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 4: Like this was the part. This was the original point

989
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,520
of the stream. By the way, guys, we just weren't

990
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,560
we weren't. We weren't planning on a demon possessed transvestite

991
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,680
shooting up a bunch of kids. Go ahead.

992
01:20:58,279 --> 01:21:01,079
Speaker 3: So one of the core prayers, and this is something

993
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:04,119
that was new to me, was that a vast majority

994
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:08,640
of prayers that are you know, inside Judaism, that you're

995
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,760
saying on a daily or weekly basis. You know, they

996
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,960
might be out of the Book of Deuteronomy or Exodus,

997
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:17,239
or they might be out of the Psalms. That's standard

998
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:19,960
for the course, but a lot of what actually exists

999
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,399
in the core of daily practice is a post exilic.

1000
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,880
So the perfect example for this is the ami Da.

1001
01:21:28,079 --> 01:21:32,720
And inside the Amida is also known as the Shimona Esray,

1002
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:36,760
and it was codified by Rabbi Gamaliel the second Navne

1003
01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:41,119
after the destruction of the Second Temple. So this is

1004
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:45,239
what's called, as many other prayers are similarly called the

1005
01:21:45,279 --> 01:21:49,600
Mitzvad de Raabanan the commandments that are of rabbinic origin

1006
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,359
rather than divine. Now why should you care about this, Well,

1007
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:58,880
just speaking strictly metaphysically, if you are a religious person,

1008
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,199
if you are a Christian everything comes from God and

1009
01:22:04,319 --> 01:22:09,439
is illuminated through for example, the Church fathers. In Judaism,

1010
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,840
a lot of these commandments are coming directly from rabbis.

1011
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,159
And what is Christ say, I mean, put not your

1012
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:21,000
trust in princes, in sons of men whom there is

1013
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:24,159
no salvation. It's a very very explicit reason for that.

1014
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,520
But what is inside this Amidah prayer, Well, there's eighteen sections.

1015
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,079
One of them is called the Aminim. It is the

1016
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:39,279
curse on heretics, and it's repeated in the rabbinic liturgy

1017
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,000
in Hebrew. And this is said everywhere across all synagogues

1018
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,640
everywhere in the world, even reform ones. This is a

1019
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:51,159
curse on Jews that apostasize to Christianity like me, and

1020
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:56,000
Christians themselves, as well as the governance of the Christian world.

1021
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:59,760
So in every synagogue that is prayed now they'll say

1022
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,279
that the meaning of it is like diluted and that

1023
01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:04,520
it doesn't mean the same thing. But if you look

1024
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,159
at the text of it, it's still occurs. The prayer

1025
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:10,680
itself dates to the Jerusalem Talmud, and that predates the

1026
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,960
Babylonian Talmud by about a century. The texts themselves are

1027
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:20,039
written in Aramaic rather than some kind of more ancient

1028
01:23:20,079 --> 01:23:23,159
Hebrew form. But I also want to talk about a

1029
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:26,800
little bit more about this Hellenistic corruption, because I think

1030
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,319
that Greco Egyptian corruption of Judaism is what gives it

1031
01:23:32,359 --> 01:23:34,319
a lot of the magical attributes. It's kind of a

1032
01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:38,920
framework for it, and how this is all incorporated. The

1033
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,920
most famous the actual theology of Judaism, a lot of

1034
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,880
it stems from my Monodes. That's Moshav been Maman. He

1035
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,000
wrote both the Guide for the Perplexed as well as

1036
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:54,439
the Mishnatorah. Right, so he's the one that wrote a

1037
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,399
lot of these texts that modern Judaism derives its core

1038
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,640
ideas from. And anytime I reference the Missionnatorah, it comes

1039
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,600
from this guy. He lived in about the year eleven hundred.

1040
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:09,640
So you have to think that this is well after

1041
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:12,560
the Church fathers have written. So this is something that

1042
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,039
very few people know, which is that Jewish metaphysics and

1043
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:21,359
theology does not predate Christianity. It's a myth. It's after

1044
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,800
the Church fathers are writing. Now that sounds insane, but

1045
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,199
I'll prove it. So when Moshabmiman writes the Guide for

1046
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:34,319
the Perplex. Its primary goal is to incorporate Aristotelianism into Judaism.

1047
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,039
And this is already several hundred years after Christianity grappled

1048
01:24:38,039 --> 01:24:41,159
with Hellenism. It goes through Arianism, it goes through Dunatism,

1049
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,800
it goes through Astorianism. The Church fathers are defining the

1050
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,560
doctrine of the Trinity in order to refute a lot

1051
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,840
of the Hellenistic influence that's going on in the world

1052
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:57,119
around them and to clarify what Christianity is. But my

1053
01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:01,520
Monodes is already running into items of theology, the basics

1054
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,199
that are already refuted by Christianity that have not really

1055
01:25:06,279 --> 01:25:09,399
actually been considered by Judaism. A lot of Judaism's theology

1056
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:13,560
is reactionary. What's an example of this. My Monodies defines

1057
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,520
God in purely negative terms, that is, God is defined

1058
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,319
by what he is not. This is a core element

1059
01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:25,159
of Neoplatonism, and it's known to Orthodox Christians as apaphatic theology.

1060
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,479
So how do you define positive theology?

1061
01:25:31,079 --> 01:25:31,279
Speaker 2: Right?

1062
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:34,159
Speaker 3: What is catiphatic theology? It's opposite. Well, every time that

1063
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:37,600
Judaism employs it, it borrows a lot of its understanding

1064
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:42,359
from Church Fathers in Christianity. The cataphatic theology in Judaism

1065
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,439
stems from Judah Halevi, Baya Iban Pakuda, and Shumon ben

1066
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,439
Semach Delan. These people all postdate the Church Fathers by

1067
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:56,319
about a thousand years. Now, what's filling the majority of

1068
01:25:56,399 --> 01:26:00,000
theology between the life of Christ in about one thousand

1069
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:05,760
and CE. If it's not this epiphatic or cataphatic theology,

1070
01:26:06,319 --> 01:26:10,760
what is it? Well, it's something called Mercava mysticism. What's

1071
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,720
the name of the tank in Israel? What do they

1072
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:19,399
call the rams tank? It's called the merc exactly, So

1073
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,880
Mercava mysticism. It primarily takes a hold of Judaism between

1074
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,000
one hundred BCE to one thousand CE, and it very

1075
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:29,840
I mean, if you look at what this actually is,

1076
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,279
a lot of it fits the Greco Egyptian mythology. But

1077
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,600
what's an example of this, Well, there's multiple animals that

1078
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,880
will be driving a chariot that are half beast and

1079
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,720
half angel. We'll have a lion and a ram, but

1080
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,640
it'll be half man and it will be pulling God.

1081
01:26:45,119 --> 01:26:48,039
These sort of crazy things. And when my Monodesa is

1082
01:26:48,039 --> 01:26:50,239
writing the Missionaturrah. What does he say of this? What

1083
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:53,920
is these milkava? He says of it that it should

1084
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:58,119
never be expounded upon, even to a single individual, unless

1085
01:26:58,119 --> 01:27:00,880
he is wise and capable of understanding. And this is

1086
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,159
where I want to bounce some I guess I would

1087
01:27:03,159 --> 01:27:06,479
even call it perhaps gnosticism. But when I say this,

1088
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,279
and these are direct quotes from the Hebrew translated into English,

1089
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:15,479
this will make you laugh stormy. From my monodies, the

1090
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,720
pinnacle of knowing him referring to God is to reach

1091
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,239
the stage where you admit and believe that you are

1092
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:25,960
completely ignorant of the truth of His glorious essence. You

1093
01:27:26,039 --> 01:27:30,880
do not know God. You are completely ignorant of God.

1094
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:35,319
It's almost like a Buddhist understanding, where you destroy the self.

1095
01:27:36,279 --> 01:27:39,680
Further another example from the Missionnatarah. God is the know

1096
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,279
where the subject of knowledge, and He is the knowledge itself.

1097
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:49,479
All is one. There are four types of physical matter, fire, wind, water,

1098
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:53,520
and earth. All four bodies of these do not possess

1099
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,880
a soul, nor are they conscious or knowing. They are

1100
01:27:57,039 --> 01:28:00,840
like dead bodies. That's a direct translation from the Hebrew.

1101
01:28:01,359 --> 01:28:05,079
And further to this, the Jewish astronomy and astrology is

1102
01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:13,119
uniquely distinct from both Hellenism and Christianity. What are some others?

1103
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,239
Speaker 4: So basically you have like the creator God that got

1104
01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:21,600
turned into a bunch of sparks, right, but they still

1105
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,479
believe that another god rules the earth, right, a lesser

1106
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:35,640
and also often not nice one. Right, This is straight

1107
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:41,399
up narsissism. It's not kind of like gnoscissism. It's not

1108
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:46,319
a little bit gnostic. It is narcissism.

1109
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 2: Right.

1110
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 4: The world is run by an evil monster deity and

1111
01:28:54,319 --> 01:28:57,640
the real God, the guy that created everything, bits of

1112
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,119
his spirit is broken up in to many many, many

1113
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:04,600
many pieces and spread about everywhere in all of us.

1114
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:09,079
And the physical body is that you in habit is

1115
01:29:09,079 --> 01:29:12,560
not real. And all that is real is your consciousness

1116
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:17,079
and this spark. And basically it is an escape to

1117
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:22,000
try and get out from underneath this evil you know,

1118
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,439
temp agency god that runs earth. So you could go

1119
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:32,840
be a just a consciousness and reunite all the sparks.

1120
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,720
It's gnosticism, it is I there is no difference. This

1121
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:46,279
is the same picture, right, And I guess which is

1122
01:29:46,319 --> 01:29:49,560
funny because you said it's around like what fourteen fifteen hundred,

1123
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,680
This gets like reinterpreted in turbocharge.

1124
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:56,199
Speaker 3: No, this gets reinterpreted around the year one thousand oh pete.

1125
01:29:56,199 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 4: When was a gnostic heresy.

1126
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:03,199
Speaker 1: Oh those second century, a second and third century. I

1127
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:05,159
mean that was immediate, That was almost immediate.

1128
01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the way I kind of see it is that,

1129
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,760
I mean almost from the jump, Christianity is having to

1130
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:20,760
intellectually combat the nature of all these different nostakereses and

1131
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:25,199
cults and religions. It's up against the Roman Empire, and

1132
01:30:25,279 --> 01:30:28,960
so it intellectually devises all these different elements to kind

1133
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,439
of distinguish itself. I mean, the early Church history is

1134
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,760
just that it is, you know, whereas Christianity is making

1135
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,520
itself unique from the cultures around it, it is choosing

1136
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:46,199
a unique metaphor not really choosing God through Christ, a

1137
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:50,000
unique metaphysics occurs. The Jews, on the other hand, are

1138
01:30:50,039 --> 01:30:54,000
just they're they're syncretists. They're combining all these different elements

1139
01:30:54,359 --> 01:30:56,600
from every other culture that they're running into.

1140
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 4: But for what purpose.

1141
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:02,039
Speaker 3: Or that's where we can bring up some real examples

1142
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,560
from before.

1143
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,199
Speaker 2: We move on from narcissism.

1144
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to I just wanted to throw this

1145
01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:13,880
out there for people who and I'm somebody who went

1146
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,600
to a church where they gave you a piece of

1147
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,680
cracker and a little cup of juice. The way the

1148
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:26,319
Gnostic heresy was commonly argued in the late first century,

1149
01:31:26,319 --> 01:31:28,800
I mean this can this was late first century and

1150
01:31:29,359 --> 01:31:34,680
kept going for a couple of centuries was transubstantiation. If

1151
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,800
you deny that Jesus came in the flesh, then you

1152
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:43,840
deny that the bread becomes the flesh. That's exactly how.

1153
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:48,640
That's exactly the main argument that was made by people

1154
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:54,800
like st Ignacious of Antioch. So I just want to

1155
01:31:55,039 --> 01:31:56,880
just want to throw that out there for people who

1156
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:58,039
were like, hey.

1157
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 4: You're quite literally denying the flesh. Yeah, you'r means you're

1158
01:32:02,039 --> 01:32:03,920
denying the son. If you're denying the son, you deny

1159
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:04,279
the Father.

1160
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

1161
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 3: And I can actually also prove that as well. So

1162
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:15,079
I guess I guess I'm going to start with. So

1163
01:32:15,159 --> 01:32:20,880
I read Saint Christistom's discourses against Judaizing Christians, and the

1164
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:25,439
ADL recently put out something saying that Saint Chrisistom shouldn't

1165
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,239
be read and should be like removed from any kind

1166
01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:33,000
of yet. Yeah, I mean it's like, oh cool, Like

1167
01:32:33,039 --> 01:32:35,920
thanks for the reading list. But I own a copy

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of this and I decided for myself what to read him.

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My priest even told me, he's like, Eah, at the time,

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I was a catechumen, and he said to me, like,

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01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,359
you might just want to don't take it personally what

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01:32:46,399 --> 01:32:49,720
they're saying here. But uh so I read these and

1173
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:54,840
at the time for context, Saint Christistom is in the

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01:32:54,880 --> 01:33:00,319
third century near East, and he's in the Great Church

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01:33:00,399 --> 01:33:05,439
of the City. And at the time, Christianity and jew

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01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,920
Judaism are for lack of a better term, coexisting, but

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01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:13,039
it's not seamless. Judaism at this time was still proselytizing.

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01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,800
And that sounds kind of crazy. How is that possible?

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01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,479
The Jews that we know today are not proselytizing to

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01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:22,920
the goime. Well, what people would do in this syncretic

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01:33:23,079 --> 01:33:26,880
world where Christianity is small and fledgling, if they're not Christian,

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01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,079
what are they doing? Well, they're trying to kind of

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01:33:29,079 --> 01:33:32,279
hedge their bets with a divine So what people will

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01:33:32,319 --> 01:33:35,760
do is in the three hundreds, they need like a

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01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,399
boon for something, they need luck, they have event that

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01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,800
they're trying to get good fortune on. They would try

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01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,720
to cover their bases. They'd go to the church, and

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01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,680
they'd go to the synagogue, and they would try to

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01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,920
get the blessing from all the local religions, because that's

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01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,600
just if you don't understand theology and you want as

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01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,920
much luck as possible, why wouldn't you. And for Saint Christistom,

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01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,319
that is a gigantic sin, and for any Christian a

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01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:04,319
gigantic sin. You don't confess multiple religions, you confess Christ period.

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01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,720
But Saint Chris system says a lot of things about

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01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:11,520
the Jews. He says in one of his homilies, when

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01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,239
so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they

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01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:16,960
thrust them aside, and were at great pains to reject them.

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01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,680
The mourning Sun of justice, that's sun of justice arose

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01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,159
for them, but they thrust aside its rays and still

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01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:27,800
sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness, drew

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01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,239
the light to ourselves and were freed from the gloom

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01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:32,960
of their error. They were branches of that holy root,

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01:34:33,319 --> 01:34:36,199
but those branches were broken from their childhood. They were

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01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:40,239
the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold.

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01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,520
And this will make your the hair stand up on

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01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,159
your next stormy. So the godlessness of the Jews and

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01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:50,319
the Pagans is on a par but the Jews practice

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01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:53,840
a deceit which is more dangerous. In their synagogue stands

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01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,399
an invisible altar of deceit, on which they sacrificed not

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01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:02,039
sheep and calves, but the souls of men. And there's

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01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:07,119
a separate item on the eve of Pasca in honor

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01:35:07,159 --> 01:35:11,920
around the year three hundred, he explicitly points out. And

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01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:18,000
people might not know this, the Jewish Passover and the

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01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:23,880
Christian Pasca Easter in English occurs on a very close date,

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01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,359
and even at that time, chronologically it occurred at the

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01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,279
very similar date. So of course s Chrisystem who's trying

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01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:33,319
to keep a separation between the Jews and Christians, has

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01:35:33,359 --> 01:35:37,199
to differentiate between Passover of the Jewish kind and the

1219
01:35:37,239 --> 01:35:40,920
Pasca Easter of the Christian kind. And he says in

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01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,119
his third discourse, do you not see that their passover

1221
01:35:44,279 --> 01:35:47,479
is the type? Well, our Pasca is the truth. Look

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01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,800
at the tremendous difference between them. The Passover of the

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01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:55,079
Jews prevented bodily death, whereas the Pasca quelled God's anger

1224
01:35:55,119 --> 01:35:58,439
against the whole world. The Passover of Old freed the

1225
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:02,439
Jews from Egypt. Osca of Christ has set us free

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01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,199
form idolatry. The Passover drowned to the Pharaoh, but the

1227
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:10,840
Pasca drowned the devil. After the Passover came Palestine. But

1228
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,880
after the Pasca will come Heaven. So there's a lot

1229
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:19,159
of metaphysical significance and the differences between that holiday. So

1230
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:22,079
this is just another point that there is not like

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01:36:22,119 --> 01:36:24,520
a slight deviation between these religions.

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01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:30,279
Speaker 4: No, I mean, what does Paul say to the Galatians, right,

1233
01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:34,399
literally Paul's letter to the Galatians. Galatians, this is like

1234
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,600
early Christianity, what isn't But I can't remember if it

1235
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,439
was in Greece or Rome the Galatians were, but basically

1236
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:48,640
in hostile territory, early early early Church. And he's talking

1237
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:57,880
about the Judaizing heresy. He speaks literally about circumcision, right,

1238
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:03,399
because the Jews see the young Christians and go, oh, yeah,

1239
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:07,039
you're christ Yeah he was. He was one of our guys.

1240
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:11,920
But you see, you're doing the the Christian stuff all right,

1241
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,039
but you're missing all the super secret stuff, right, all

1242
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:20,920
the secret you know Hebrew stuff. So you got to

1243
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,720
cut the tip of your cocks off like us, and

1244
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:28,239
that's how you really really do the Christian stuff. You

1245
01:37:28,319 --> 01:37:31,800
got to be like Christ. Right, Yeah, well he was

1246
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,199
one of us. He had the secret cocksnip.

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01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 3: The funny thing is that didn't they were done in

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01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:41,319
the year. That didn't they didn't just stay in the

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01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:43,840
ear like fifty eighty. The crazy part was.

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01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 4: What is that? Paul basically says to them, Right, if

1251
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,720
you think you're going to go through the Killers of

1252
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,880
Christ to learn how to be a Christian, right, or

1253
01:37:53,039 --> 01:37:55,720
you know, basically through the king the Killers of Christ

1254
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,239
to get to the Kingdom, maybe it is best that

1255
01:37:58,279 --> 01:38:03,239
your cocks were cut off, Like so, I mean that,

1256
01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:08,760
And this is coming from somebody who formerly was a Jew,

1257
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,960
and he's telling Christians like you need to have nothing

1258
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:16,479
to do with this, right, If you look at the

1259
01:38:17,399 --> 01:38:19,079
like it's right there in scripture. You don't even need

1260
01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:20,039
to know ancient history.

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01:38:21,159 --> 01:38:23,520
Speaker 3: I don't have the passages from the Talmud pulled up.

1262
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,119
And if you just google a lot of our guy,

1263
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:26,560
if you look up a lot of our guys on Twitter,

1264
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,600
you'll see the Talmudic passages of how they view Christ

1265
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,000
and treat Christ. But I didn't just want to go

1266
01:38:32,079 --> 01:38:33,800
with that, because that'd be a little bit of a softball.

1267
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:36,760
I wanted to look later on. So I wanted to

1268
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:42,800
look after this my money in philosophy. I wanted to

1269
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,720
look after the year one thousand for how the Jews

1270
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,520
would grapple with Christianity, because I think if you look

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01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,479
at the more ancient texts, it does appear to just

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01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:56,000
be gnosticism. And I wanted to understand, outside of a

1273
01:38:56,119 --> 01:38:59,920
very strict Romanic understanding, how did the actual average you

1274
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,800
wish person refute Christianity. Well, the best source for a

1275
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:09,439
medieval Jewish attempt at refuting Christianity is the Nisahnvitis. It's

1276
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:14,840
written I can't find the author attribution, but essentially what

1277
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:20,279
happened was during and prior to the Inquisition, a lot

1278
01:39:20,279 --> 01:39:24,159
of Jews were genuinely converting to Christianity. Obviously not all

1279
01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:25,840
of them. There were a lot of issues with this.

1280
01:39:26,279 --> 01:39:32,000
That's why the Inquisition happened. A big item is that

1281
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:35,760
these Jewish converts to Christianity, the genuine ones, they would

1282
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:41,560
inform the Christian priests and bishops about what the Jewish

1283
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:46,439
arguments were against Christ. So this actually improved the Christian

1284
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:51,960
ability to dispute Judaism. And so this text is actually

1285
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:59,239
the Jewish refutation against these improved specific arguments. And there's

1286
01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:02,880
a lot of quot It's basically this text goes through

1287
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,720
the entire Old and New Testament and tries to call

1288
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,199
out all the different trinitarian references to Christ and tries

1289
01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:11,159
to disprove a bunch of things in the New Testament.

1290
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,680
And so what I'm going to say is, I mean,

1291
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,680
it's technically heresy, but it's a you know, I say

1292
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,079
this as a source. This is not my own words.

1293
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,439
So much of the argumentation, so like, why don't Jews

1294
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:27,479
accept Christ? Well, in the modern world, people will tell

1295
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:32,279
you that Christ it could be like a really bad,

1296
01:40:32,359 --> 01:40:35,319
blasphemous thing that I'm just not going to say. But

1297
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:38,920
like the mildest form of criticism of Christ and Judaism

1298
01:40:39,399 --> 01:40:43,159
is that he was like a misunderstood rabbi. Basically that

1299
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:45,560
his followers just didn't really know what was going on,

1300
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:50,600
and that Christ was actually preaching Judaism and that his

1301
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:55,560
followers misunderstood him. That's like the absolute most charitable Jewish

1302
01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:00,199
interpretation of Christ's life and activities. But there's a bunch

1303
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:04,439
of other crazy stuff. Much of the argument of the

1304
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:09,279
Jewish attempt at refuting Christianity is the refusal to accept

1305
01:41:09,319 --> 01:41:12,720
the completeness of the Trinity. It just doesn't I really

1306
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:16,920
see that. Judaism in the medieval texts does not understand

1307
01:41:17,039 --> 01:41:20,800
the thorough completeness and unity of the Trinity. Like there's

1308
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,399
one passage in the text Vieira I Love. It equates

1309
01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:28,840
the father son relationship between God the Father and Christ.

1310
01:41:29,279 --> 01:41:32,640
They equate that relationship to a human relationship. They don't

1311
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,279
understand why Christ is what would he would say? What

1312
01:41:36,319 --> 01:41:41,479
he would say? In vayashev Yakov they claim that Jesus

1313
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,039
was hanged, so at multiple points in this text they

1314
01:41:45,039 --> 01:41:47,479
don't actually admit that Christ was crucified. They claim that

1315
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:53,239
Christ was hanged in the Eleshimot. They claim that Jesus

1316
01:41:53,359 --> 01:41:56,520
knew magic from Egypt and that he had spent two

1317
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,279
years there, And they follow this up this will you

1318
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:03,000
like this one stormy? The rabbis say that ten measures

1319
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:07,680
of magic came down into the world from Egypt. Egypt

1320
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:12,520
took Egypt took nine of these for itself, and the

1321
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:16,319
rest of the world took one. I just thought that

1322
01:42:16,359 --> 01:42:20,000
was a very eerie statement. The formal refutation of the So,

1323
01:42:20,279 --> 01:42:24,720
the Christians argue that the Shemah prayer is actually an

1324
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,840
argument for the trinity. If you look at the English

1325
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,079
text of it. I'm not going to say it because

1326
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:34,760
it's heresy. There is a trinity in this, it's Deuteronomy

1327
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:39,399
sixty four. Their refutation of this is that Deuteronomy six'

1328
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,600
five Says lord Your, god which is only two. Names and,

1329
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,960
therefore because the line after it has two names and

1330
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,000
the first line has, three that The shamah isn't actually a.

1331
01:42:49,039 --> 01:42:52,399
Trinity you. Know it's these kind of semantic bs word,

1332
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:56,520
games and the argumentation against christ just it just continues

1333
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:59,359
to get worse and. Worse AND i, say these so

1334
01:42:59,399 --> 01:43:01,680
people all just like a better understanding of how Weak

1335
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:08,239
jewish counter arguments To christianity. Are, strangely while criticizing, Baptism so,

1336
01:43:08,359 --> 01:43:12,680
Basically jews say in this, text what sort of sin

1337
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:17,600
and impurity is removed by. Baptism that's crazy even from

1338
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,600
A jewish, perspective Because jews have The, mikphah which is

1339
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:24,520
a ritual bath of water that they go into Before

1340
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:29,239
yom kapor before. Repentance so this is like a DELIBERATE i,

1341
01:43:29,239 --> 01:43:35,239
mean they're just pretending not to. Misunderstand, yep another. Thing so,

1342
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,239
yeah go, AHEAD.

1343
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:42,399
Speaker 4: I was going to pivot to demon worship In.

1344
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:46,079
Speaker 3: Judaism i'll wrap it up in just a like another

1345
01:43:46,119 --> 01:43:50,399
minute or. Two i'll just finish this. Out they So

1346
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,239
christ fasts for forty days and then they ask a

1347
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:55,760
stupid question what kind Of god needs human food and?

1348
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,520
Drink so this isn't this doesn't even rise to the

1349
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,079
level of like A nestorian where they can comprehend like

1350
01:44:02,119 --> 01:44:06,880
a separation between the divine and human components Of. God

1351
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:09,920
it's it's just a it's a blatant understanding to like

1352
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,079
a they're deliberately choosing not to understand that there's any

1353
01:44:13,159 --> 01:44:17,760
kind of divinity in. Here it's like a kindergartener's argument against, it, right.

1354
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:19,399
Speaker 4: You.

1355
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:23,119
Speaker 3: Know another, element even in the, language they can't differentiate

1356
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:26,560
between familial siblings and siblings In. Christ so they look

1357
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,600
At isaiah and they see that there are brothers and

1358
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,079
sisters In, christ and they, say, well you, Know christ

1359
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:35,239
doesn't have any. Siblings and then they also there's like

1360
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,479
a chapter in the LIKE i think it's fifty two

1361
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,479
or fifty three Where christ has, children yeah, them and

1362
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,920
then they they, say oh, Well And Rabbi Tobias, singer

1363
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,399
even in the twenty first, century makes this, argument, Well

1364
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,840
christ didn't have, children so how can you know that

1365
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:53,600
that prophecy is? False, well they're not literal. Children and

1366
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:57,880
even in The hebrew relations between familial sylbey like you

1367
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:02,119
can have a abstract sibl ling like a brotherhood or a,

1368
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:05,159
sisterhood and you also can have like a godson or a.

1369
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:09,319
Godchild you can have a non literal child or sibling In.

1370
01:45:09,399 --> 01:45:14,600
Judaism so, further like every single one Of christ's miracles

1371
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,720
in The New, testament they just minimize all of. Them

1372
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,279
they say some really sacrilegious stuff about the mark account

1373
01:45:21,319 --> 01:45:26,319
Of jesus' body and, blood and they say they basically

1374
01:45:26,399 --> 01:45:29,239
just they. Don't they choose not to understand it when

1375
01:45:29,239 --> 01:45:32,640
they say that there's The jesus When christ encounter is

1376
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,399
The samaritan woman at the, Well samarrian woman at the.

1377
01:45:35,399 --> 01:45:37,279
Well the argument, is why Does god need to drink?

1378
01:45:37,319 --> 01:45:41,079
Water you, know it's just these stupid, arguments over and

1379
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:41,800
over and over.

1380
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 4: Again, WELL i wouldn't expect anything.

1381
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 2: Different it's, that specifically is Another gnostic.

1382
01:45:49,359 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 4: Argument exactly, right denying of the flesh. Yep The tablet

1383
01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:01,079
Magazine's august, fourteenth twenty twelve Story talmud and its many

1384
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:05,680
demons marriage everyone to read. It chief among those, demons

1385
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:11,439
most interestingly Is, joseph the founder Of, israel according to The,

1386
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:15,720
tumut is a. Demon this is from My jewish. Learning

1387
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:20,039
joseph The demon actually appears elsewhere in The Babylonian, talmud

1388
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:25,560
In Trassate, pissechum where we encounter two of his. Teachings

1389
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,399
but we also have evidence Of joseph from a nontomatic

1390
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:31,720
source of the same time, period a clay bowl ascribed

1391
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:39,000
In aramaic with incantations against danger and dangerous. Demons they

1392
01:46:39,039 --> 01:46:44,960
differentiate on this one. Bowl the scribes list a number

1393
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:50,000
of powerful rabbis who historically fought against the threat of dangerous,

1394
01:46:50,079 --> 01:46:53,399
demons and one of those listed is none other Than

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01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:57,800
Rabbi joseph The. Demon joseph The demon is a rabbinic

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01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:02,119
informant and teacher of the, rabbis or perhaps even a rabbi.

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01:47:02,199 --> 01:47:06,920
Himself in their discussion of the laws Of sabant and

1398
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,680
the limits of. It then these rabbis are so confident

1399
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:15,199
in the amazing power and welcome of The rabbinic community

1400
01:47:15,239 --> 01:47:18,279
that they assume that everyone in the, world human and

1401
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,680
spirit would want to be a part of. It now

1402
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:25,720
that's a big tent exclamation. Point, well let's go to

1403
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:32,279
also My jewish learning study on demons dibbicks, dybbuks the

1404
01:47:32,399 --> 01:47:40,319
thing That Lex, wexner child rapists And israeli intelligence asset

1405
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:45,000
and also owner Of Victoria's secret says in his nineteen

1406
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:49,279
eighty five interview With The York The New yorker lives

1407
01:47:49,319 --> 01:47:51,239
in his head and was put in his head when

1408
01:47:51,239 --> 01:47:53,920
he was very young by a. Rabbi and it's the

1409
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:58,640
dibbik that tells him to do, things and will suddenly

1410
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:01,159
wake him up at night and urge him in certain

1411
01:48:01,239 --> 01:48:03,319
directions this way or the. Other and it leads to

1412
01:48:03,399 --> 01:48:10,399
him making good business decisions and besting his. Rivals and

1413
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:17,560
he probably has to feed at. Children but here we.

1414
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:24,119
Go as compared with other Ancient Near eastern texts in

1415
01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:27,800
which demons play a central, role The bible is nearly

1416
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:33,560
silent about the experience of sorry existence of supernatural, beings

1417
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:38,000
but not the. Talmut The talmut has a, rich sometimes vague.

1418
01:48:38,039 --> 01:48:46,960
Demonology houses of, STUDY i guess. It synagogues are described

1419
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:54,399
as being full of, demons and when sexual energy is

1420
01:48:54,560 --> 01:49:02,720
not properly, channeled overflowing with. Demons great rabbis are able

1421
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,520
to perceive the demons sitting on the right and left

1422
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:09,680
hand of every. Person they are able to harness the

1423
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:15,119
divine creative energies of these demons to create animals which

1424
01:49:15,159 --> 01:49:19,439
can be consumed for, food and in The talmudic, words

1425
01:49:20,039 --> 01:49:24,239
in The tumatic, world spirits are. Everywhere they haunt dark, places,

1426
01:49:24,399 --> 01:49:29,600
homes even the crumbs left on the dinner. Table for.

1427
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:36,520
Example consider the omnipresence and the omnivolence of demons described

1428
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:42,039
in The. Talmud it has been Taught Abba benjamin, says

1429
01:49:43,079 --> 01:49:45,640
if the eye had the power to see, them no

1430
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:49,960
creature could endure the. Demons they are more numerous than we,

1431
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:54,319
are and they surround us like the ridge around the.

1432
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:59,000
Field everyone among us has thousands to his left and

1433
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:07,800
ten thousands to. Right the crushing crowd, Lectures i'm, sorry

1434
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:11,119
the crushing crowd of the cola lectures come from. Them

1435
01:50:12,119 --> 01:50:16,720
fatigue in the knees comes from. Them rarely does The

1436
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:20,159
tumuti literature go into detail about how exactly demons and

1437
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:24,880
magical creatures come into, being or whether they are really independent. Beings,

1438
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:31,000
Right but there's reason to think that the texts of

1439
01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:34,760
The brigod are not referring to metaphorical, demons as it

1440
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,399
would go on to, say if one wants to discover,

1441
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:42,560
them let him take sifted ash and sprinkle it around his,

1442
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:46,479
bed and in the morning he will see something like

1443
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:54,520
the footprints of a. Rooster unlike The, Talmud kabbalistic demonology

1444
01:50:54,720 --> 01:51:01,039
is more. Detailed some demons are formed whenever in improperly

1445
01:51:01,159 --> 01:51:03,319
spills his seed in Sin.

1446
01:51:07,239 --> 01:51:15,039
Speaker 3: Poorno Also onanism story Of on from The, bible, yep

1447
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,319
the Same Aba, Binyamin sorry you've already read, this he

1448
01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:25,279
says in a bell kot. Shishuh in Another, barieta it

1449
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:28,239
was taught That amin, says if the eye was given

1450
01:51:28,279 --> 01:51:30,960
permission to, see no creature would be able to withstand

1451
01:51:31,079 --> 01:51:33,960
the abundance and ubiquity of the demons and continue to

1452
01:51:34,039 --> 01:51:34,880
live unaffected by.

1453
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:41,159
Speaker 4: Them, boy is that the fucking? Truth you?

1454
01:51:41,239 --> 01:51:43,119
Speaker 3: Know AND i mean, okay like real.

1455
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:53,560
Speaker 4: Quick hold, on go. Ahead other demons are as in

1456
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:58,279
The christian, myth rebellious, angels, or in the case Of

1457
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:04,800
lilith who Appear prime who appears throughout The, talmud primordial

1458
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:10,680
humans who were disobeyed in The divine. Plan all, right hold,

1459
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:14,239
on where are my? Photos here we, GO i have

1460
01:52:14,399 --> 01:52:20,439
another lovely bit Of talmud to read. You where are

1461
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:29,399
you Miss? Lilith uh oh the search real quick ha,

1462
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:34,159
Ha but oh, yeah here's another. One but you might

1463
01:52:34,199 --> 01:52:43,039
find interesting a lovely. Passage we're talking about demons And

1464
01:52:43,359 --> 01:52:51,199
satan in. Particular he says nice things about him where

1465
01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:54,680
it talks about How satan. Came and here we go

1466
01:52:55,560 --> 01:53:03,319
The Bava batra sixteen A I samuel won six kenna

1467
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:06,399
upset With hannah in order to motivate her to. Pray

1468
01:53:08,119 --> 01:53:14,239
Rev Afabar yakov taught this in The, papillana And satan

1469
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:19,239
came to kiss his feet the rabbi in gratitude for

1470
01:53:19,359 --> 01:53:31,279
speaking so positively about. Him that's, odd but, yes there

1471
01:53:31,359 --> 01:53:35,920
is something to seeing. Them once a man sees, them

1472
01:53:36,399 --> 01:53:44,000
he is what did the passage? Say oh, ah it

1473
01:53:44,399 --> 01:53:48,840
Was sarah that one at.

1474
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:53,520
Speaker 3: Home it was like he would basically be overwhelmed by

1475
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:53,760
all of.

1476
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 4: Them, NO i THINK i said something. Else could you read?

1477
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:02,399
It you find? IT i can mind. It it, was uh,

1478
01:54:03,159 --> 01:54:04,479
yeah here we.

1479
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:10,600
Speaker 3: Go m oh, yeah here we are if the if

1480
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:13,319
the eye was given permission to, see no creature would

1481
01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:16,199
be able to withstand the abundance and ubiquity of the

1482
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:18,239
demons and continue to live unaffected by.

1483
01:54:18,319 --> 01:54:22,560
Speaker 4: Them, yeah the living unaffected by them is the fucking.

1484
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:25,239
Truth uh.

1485
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:32,119
Speaker 3: Yeah like. That the word for demons is literally harmful,

1486
01:54:32,199 --> 01:54:36,239
beings anything that causes to, kay pain and. Deplete SO

1487
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:37,560
i guess there's.

1488
01:54:37,399 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 4: A Few Chris lang, again chaos thing is with evil.

1489
01:54:42,359 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 3: Incoherence like these are kind of stupid, counterpoints BUT i

1490
01:54:47,039 --> 01:54:49,880
want to bring them up because somebody, WILL i, think

1491
01:54:50,039 --> 01:54:51,800
naturally think of.

1492
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:55,239
Speaker 4: Them, yea there's eid somewhere like.

1493
01:54:55,399 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 3: One one such thing is, well The jews knew about

1494
01:55:00,039 --> 01:55:03,439
all these things because they have such an ancient religion

1495
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:09,079
and they're just documenting encounters with. Demons you, know they

1496
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:12,479
have access to the spiritual, realm but they're putting this

1497
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:17,399
information out there to advise people not to do. It the,

1498
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,560
argument like the Former jew in me would make the,

1499
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:24,760
argument you, know most of The talmud is trying to

1500
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:35,880
get people to stay away from. Demons is that? True,

1501
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:39,680
No BUT i MEAN i, GUESS i guess that's just

1502
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:44,560
what would come into mind because like the preventative measures.

1503
01:55:44,279 --> 01:55:46,479
Speaker 4: For, THIS i find it's not.

1504
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 3: True well it's it's not true Because, okay like just,

1505
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,720
objectively all the different rabbis and all the different eras

1506
01:55:55,800 --> 01:56:02,439
are Encountering, Hellenism they're synchronizing syncretism.

1507
01:56:02,199 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 4: And Greco egyptian, magic.

1508
01:56:04,039 --> 01:56:07,159
Speaker 3: Right they're incorporating all of these different elements into the.

1509
01:56:07,239 --> 01:56:10,319
Religion there's not like a strict delineation like going back

1510
01:56:10,359 --> 01:56:13,039
to earlier Like christianity is actively looking at this stuff

1511
01:56:13,079 --> 01:56:16,319
and saying we're not going to do. This we're looking

1512
01:56:16,359 --> 01:56:18,079
at all this evil this around us we have that

1513
01:56:18,199 --> 01:56:20,720
has to stay, out has to stay. Out and, yes

1514
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:24,720
there are Like Christian gnostic sects or, whatever but it's

1515
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,279
not the main thrust Of. Christianity it is the, main

1516
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:28,640
right the reason.

1517
01:56:28,479 --> 01:56:30,319
Speaker 4: Did you just said do you SAY i just saw the? Chat,

1518
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:37,560
wait dibbucks mean soul? Possessors, yeah oh that's. Gnarls. Yeah

1519
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:42,359
So Lex wexner has a soul possessor in. There that's.

1520
01:56:42,479 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah and there's ACTUALLY i mean, PEOPLE.

1521
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 4: I guess that's what it costs to be a.

1522
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 3: Millionaire if you look at stories this, gosh so if

1523
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:56,720
you look At jewish, stories if you look At jewish

1524
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,520
stories Of Eastern, europe, like it's not like once in

1525
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,319
a blue moon you'll find a. Dybook it's it's that

1526
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:06,520
you're you're stepping. Them you're stepping on them on the

1527
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,239
way the, trash, Right you're like in the kitchen and

1528
01:57:09,239 --> 01:57:09,880
they're all around.

1529
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 2: You.

1530
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:15,159
Speaker 3: There this is this very very present form of. THINGS i,

1531
01:57:15,239 --> 01:57:21,119
mean it's uh, Okay like there's this. Article it's also

1532
01:57:21,159 --> 01:57:23,800
from My jewish. Learning you, Know i'm learning a lot.

1533
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:28,239
Tonight so, Okay i'll just read this to.

1534
01:57:28,319 --> 01:57:28,359
Speaker 4: You.

1535
01:57:29,479 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 3: Uh in a in a gibbook instance or, possession one

1536
01:57:34,039 --> 01:57:37,720
soul sticks to. Another perhaps the departed soul sinister in

1537
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:41,319
the living person. Innocent, conversely, departed the departed soul may

1538
01:57:41,319 --> 01:57:43,720
have been saintly but wronged by the. Living in this,

1539
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,399
case the possession by a d book is essentially punishment

1540
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,880
or revenge for an improper act Or, apparently possession may

1541
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:56,439
also happen at. Random there's like people wrote plays about.

1542
01:57:56,479 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 4: This.

1543
01:57:56,920 --> 01:58:02,199
Speaker 3: Uh here in The Lurianic, kabbala there's also sometimes the

1544
01:58:02,279 --> 01:58:04,640
soul of a departed righteous person may impregnate the soul

1545
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:07,600
of a living. Person this is called an. Ibor it's

1546
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:12,880
usually a, positive not a. Negative sometimes a righteous soul

1547
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,359
undergoes it so it can complete a task or perform a.

1548
01:58:15,439 --> 01:58:19,039
Mitzvah sometimes it does so for the benefit of the host. Soul,

1549
01:58:20,319 --> 01:58:22,439
really it is no different from possion than a, dyebuk

1550
01:58:22,479 --> 01:58:25,760
but practically speaking their polar. Opposites in all of these,

1551
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:29,359
cases the ordinary processes of life energy are being diverted

1552
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:33,239
for other positive or negative, reasons and life, energy above

1553
01:58:33,279 --> 01:58:37,560
all is powerful when put to proper. Ends the transmission

1554
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:39,880
of life energy by any means of sex or supernatural

1555
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:42,600
activity is the god the act of maintaining the cosmic.

1556
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:46,279
Flow but anything that powerful can also create great. Evil

1557
01:58:48,199 --> 01:58:50,600
then it goes into the story of The, golam and you,

1558
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:53,399
know it's a whole nother FREAKING i, mean most people

1559
01:58:53,439 --> 01:58:55,439
know The golam Of, prague but that's Another.

1560
01:58:58,279 --> 01:59:02,399
Speaker 4: It's, like, yeah another one of these demons Besides lilith

1561
01:59:02,439 --> 01:59:04,199
WHO i can get into it at a later, date not.

1562
01:59:04,319 --> 01:59:09,800
Tonight is end Or. WITCH i don't know if you've

1563
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:15,319
ever heard of. It, no it's a very evil old woman.

1564
01:59:18,319 --> 01:59:21,640
HERE i just saw it because there's a specific listener

1565
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:27,199
THAT i think will be listening to this that really

1566
01:59:27,279 --> 01:59:31,560
doesn't like, evil old, women, DEMONS.

1567
01:59:32,399 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 3: I, mean does?

1568
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 4: Anyone hopefully, No, No SO i HOPE i can find

1569
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:37,920
something for.

1570
01:59:38,039 --> 01:59:43,239
Speaker 3: Him AND i have another like another like gay. Counterpoint

1571
01:59:43,439 --> 01:59:45,279
BUT i just this is stuff that WHEN i hear

1572
01:59:45,319 --> 01:59:46,760
you talk on other podcasts.

1573
01:59:46,399 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 4: Occurring in the Heat witch Of endor occurring in The

1574
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:54,640
Hebrew bible was consulted By saul to summon the spirit

1575
01:59:54,720 --> 02:00:00,119
of the Prophet. Samuel she's a. Necromancer saul wished to

1576
02:00:00,199 --> 02:00:06,680
receive advice on defeating The philistines in, battle after prior

1577
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:12,520
attempts to Consult god through sacrifices and sacred lots and

1578
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:16,840
other means had. Failed, however what was summoned whether the

1579
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:19,079
actual ghost Of samuel or a spirit in person and

1580
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:23,239
him the latter delivered a prophecy of doom Against saul

1581
02:00:23,319 --> 02:00:31,760
and his, armies who were defeated per the. Prophecy so, apparently,

1582
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:35,079
wait why does this, person why does this? Person in

1583
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:40,359
My jewish, learning tell me why this person has this

1584
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:48,199
evil which has a repeat presence In judaism the. Eborb

1585
02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:55,520
there are other, possessions possibilities that may happen as. WELL

1586
02:00:55,600 --> 02:01:00,720
a soul may visit a person during, sleep bringing messages

1587
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:02,920
from beyond our prophecies about the, future or it may

1588
02:01:03,039 --> 02:01:08,560
haunt a, place as in popular. Stories sometimes the soul

1589
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:12,159
of a departed righteous person may impregnate the soul of

1590
02:01:12,199 --> 02:01:16,840
a living. Person the process is the process is described

1591
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:20,039
By lurianic. Kabbala that's the gnarly one with all the

1592
02:01:20,079 --> 02:01:25,960
black magics's, well they're both gross and heretical and should be.

1593
02:01:26,039 --> 02:01:29,880
Burned but The lurianic kabala is what gave us our

1594
02:01:30,039 --> 02:01:30,840
Lovely shabbat.

1595
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 3: Friends, YEAH i just want to say a few more

1596
02:01:34,039 --> 02:01:36,920
words about, that because if people there might be a

1597
02:01:37,119 --> 02:01:39,680
people that are listening to this thinking, like, well, okay

1598
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:42,840
you're looking at some like doctrine and this is medieval

1599
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:47,560
history or. Whatever WHEN i lived In, ISRAEL i actually

1600
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:51,159
met one of these rabbis and what he did was really.

1601
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:54,800
Interesting one of my friends at the time was complaining

1602
02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:58,239
about evil spirits in the. House you, know just couldn't sleep,

1603
02:01:58,319 --> 02:02:00,279
right nothing was going. Right his life was a. Mess

1604
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:02,800
and what the rabbi did was the rabbi came into

1605
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:06,640
the house and you, know he made the friends sit

1606
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:08,920
on like a very specific, chair and then he went

1607
02:02:09,079 --> 02:02:12,800
around the entire house rearranging all of the objects within the,

1608
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,520
House like all the furniture had to be moved to different,

1609
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:18,279
places and all the little things that were stacked everywhere

1610
02:02:18,319 --> 02:02:20,399
had to all be like laid out a very certain,

1611
02:02:20,439 --> 02:02:23,920
way and there was you, know there's number the count is.

1612
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:28,439
Involved and also like there's certain things that are said like,

1613
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:32,840
incantations and this is not regarded there as some Like

1614
02:02:33,800 --> 02:02:37,920
Wu Wu madonna crystal magic, crap like this is very

1615
02:02:38,119 --> 02:02:40,479
serious stuff to The.

1616
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:45,840
Speaker 4: Krabadniks and also that probably sounds a lot like fung,

1617
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:52,359
shui who In western culture is exactly What farler just

1618
02:02:52,439 --> 02:02:57,880
described down the crystal bitches Like madonna. Whatever In, china

1619
02:02:58,439 --> 02:03:01,399
funng shwe is is a type of, magic a very

1620
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:05,439
very very serious magic that involves the summoning and removing

1621
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:12,800
of spirits and. Demons so, yeah there is another. Reference

1622
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:20,000
we were talking about mysticisms and demonologies of The east

1623
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:22,880
finding their way Into. JUDAISM i think that is a

1624
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:25,439
lovely place for one to. LOOK i bet you could

1625
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,479
mine a lot of information out of, there because what

1626
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:33,159
you just described is identical to The chinese magic of fung,

1627
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:37,680
shui which unfortunately it's just been the word has just

1628
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:41,079
been shot out by crystal bitches and burning man. Faggots

1629
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:43,960
but that is not how The chinese see. It it

1630
02:03:44,079 --> 02:03:46,960
is very serious. Business and you.

1631
02:03:47,039 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 3: Might also have a natural follow up, question, listener which

1632
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,760
is how do These jewish And chinese cultures meet in

1633
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:55,560
the ancient. World, well the answer is The Silk. Road

1634
02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:00,079
like those sources are brought up, earlier From hecateus to

1635
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:05,039
theo Frustrate us And indica Of. Magasthenes all of these

1636
02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:09,399
different Ancient greek, rulers they knew About, india they did

1637
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:11,960
trade With, india they knew of these. Cultures they were

1638
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:15,319
writing with primary. Sources The greek, world in its trade

1639
02:04:15,399 --> 02:04:18,279
routes stretched all the way To. India and this is

1640
02:04:18,439 --> 02:04:22,279
not a one way. Street i've been to an art,

1641
02:04:22,359 --> 02:04:24,600
museum An asian art. MUSEUM i won't say which, city

1642
02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:30,640
but there is A hellenized statue Of christ that they

1643
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:34,039
actually found In india about two hundred years after the

1644
02:04:34,119 --> 02:04:36,359
life Of. Christ and you might also, ask, well how

1645
02:04:36,399 --> 02:04:38,479
the heck do how can you prove That jews got To?

1646
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:40,000
India there is.

1647
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:47,119
Speaker 4: Pottery, well because The indians are so Fucking. Jewish, sorry.

1648
02:04:49,640 --> 02:04:53,239
Speaker 3: Well there's like are you, know let's see. HERE i

1649
02:04:53,279 --> 02:04:55,359
won't be able to you, KNOW i won't waste time googling.

1650
02:04:55,399 --> 02:04:58,159
It but there's this little Handmade chinese statue from about

1651
02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:02,720
the year six high one HUNDRED. Bc and it's a

1652
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:05,319
statue of A jewish merchant with a giant patch pack of.

1653
02:05:05,359 --> 02:05:08,039
Goods and they found it right smack dab in the

1654
02:05:08,039 --> 02:05:11,520
middle Of. China and So jews were going To china

1655
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:15,640
at this. Time and, actually if you look into What

1656
02:05:16,439 --> 02:05:19,359
jews consider lost, tribes this is like some other whack,

1657
02:05:19,439 --> 02:05:23,319
lore but there's, supposedly just as there are lost tribes

1658
02:05:23,319 --> 02:05:27,079
Of jews In, ethiopia there are lost tribes Of judaism

1659
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:31,560
Within india as well as Within. China these are Supposedly

1660
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:36,560
jewish sects of people that have continued their tradition since

1661
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:38,880
The jewish merchants went there along The Silk.

1662
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:39,960
Speaker 4: Road AND.

1663
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,159
Speaker 3: I think it's very apparent that a lot of these

1664
02:05:44,199 --> 02:05:50,359
primary Source hellenistic, writers they're not just bouncing theology between

1665
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:55,479
like a binary Of christianity And hellenism or pagan. ITEMS i,

1666
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:58,000
MEAN i think that narrows the field to what it actually.

1667
02:05:58,199 --> 02:06:02,680
WAS i think it's quite apparent that there are Further

1668
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:07,000
eastern ideas that are circulating among people. PEOPLE i, mean

1669
02:06:07,039 --> 02:06:10,319
if you look at a, map The babylonian world was

1670
02:06:11,359 --> 02:06:15,119
further east than people can imagine in their. MINDS i,

1671
02:06:15,199 --> 02:06:18,119
mean this was this broad. World and also that the

1672
02:06:18,199 --> 02:06:21,520
climate was, different that it existed in a time where

1673
02:06:22,079 --> 02:06:24,119
The Middle east was not as dry as it was.

1674
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:27,960
Today it was much more, wet which, means you, know

1675
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:30,960
it's a lot easier to pass across these different. Areas

1676
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:36,079
the geography was quite. Different SO i Guess i'm just

1677
02:06:36,159 --> 02:06:39,800
kind of. Going BUT i, MEAN i think it's very

1678
02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:44,880
important that people get an understanding of like why this

1679
02:06:45,079 --> 02:06:48,079
is like a. Problem because another counter, argument AND i

1680
02:06:48,119 --> 02:06:50,159
don't even want to dignify it by calling it a counter.

1681
02:06:50,279 --> 02:06:53,560
Argument people will just say, like, yeah so what you,

1682
02:06:53,600 --> 02:06:54,760
KNOW i can go to the bookstore AND i can

1683
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:58,119
get to row, cards AND i can get all this other,

1684
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:02,239
stuff LIKE i can do a, SEANCE i can get you,

1685
02:07:02,279 --> 02:07:06,880
KNOW i can TYPE ai, STUFF i can. WHATEVER i.

1686
02:07:07,039 --> 02:07:10,560
THINK i, mean my personal opinion here is as an Orthodox,

1687
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:13,920
christian you don't do any of. It there's no crystal,

1688
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:18,199
stuff there's no touro. Stuff anything that you do it

1689
02:07:18,319 --> 02:07:21,079
is Explicitly christian or you don't touch. It and it's

1690
02:07:21,159 --> 02:07:25,600
not because of some, superstition and it's certainly not because

1691
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:28,880
of any kind of ignorance of the evil of. THIS

1692
02:07:29,079 --> 02:07:32,960
i think this is actually an overfamiliarization of the evils of.

1693
02:07:33,039 --> 02:07:36,000
Magic if you look at The Church, fathers they're, very

1694
02:07:36,199 --> 02:07:39,720
very explicit in warning people about this, stuff and all

1695
02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:42,880
of THIS i think has like the same metaphysical origin

1696
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,039
point of. BEING i don't know if this is the

1697
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:47,000
right term for, it, stormy but it's like a portal to.

1698
02:07:47,159 --> 02:07:49,720
Evil i've seen a lot of articles to make it

1699
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:51,399
a little bit more relevant to the modern day. Now

1700
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:53,760
i've seen a lot of articles of people that will

1701
02:07:53,800 --> 02:07:58,039
start thinking their profits because they type stuff TO ai

1702
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:02,319
and they'll kill them elves and there'll be all kinds

1703
02:08:02,359 --> 02:08:08,079
of crazy things that will. Happen AND i think you

1704
02:08:08,159 --> 02:08:10,720
know one point that you've set on your podcast With,

1705
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:13,239
astrol which is, EXCELLENT i recommend people listen to. It

1706
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:17,239
AND i Don't. Astro if you're listening to, THIS i

1707
02:08:17,399 --> 02:08:20,680
understand why you wouldn't trust, me LIKE i think you

1708
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,600
almost no one ever really meets A jewish Sincere jewish

1709
02:08:23,600 --> 02:08:26,279
convert To, christianity SO i don't hold him against. HIM

1710
02:08:28,039 --> 02:08:32,079
i think when you look at the nature of this,

1711
02:08:32,199 --> 02:08:36,079
magic you don't have to do magic deliberately with evil in.

1712
02:08:36,199 --> 02:08:38,840
Mind it's the mechanism when you open yourself up to this,

1713
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:43,319
stuff evil throw flows through it to. You you don't channel.

1714
02:08:43,439 --> 02:08:45,479
IT i, mean this is another part that the rabbis

1715
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:48,680
talk about over and over and over. Again the reason you,

1716
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:50,880
know you're setting up all these wards against all these

1717
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:54,920
different demonic influences Within, judaism and some of it's. Crazy

1718
02:08:55,359 --> 02:08:57,720
some of it's, like don't take a piss between a

1719
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:01,000
palm tree and the wall of your house if it's

1720
02:09:01,039 --> 02:09:04,560
two cubits, wide because you'll let the demons. In that's how.

1721
02:09:04,640 --> 02:09:10,279
Legalistic a lot of the the quote stuff gets and

1722
02:09:10,399 --> 02:09:13,159
looking within the miss now like a vast majority of

1723
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:14,840
it is mundane, law but a lot of it is

1724
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:18,319
these just rules protecting people over and over and over

1725
02:09:18,399 --> 02:09:22,399
and over. Again and they don't just do that just

1726
02:09:22,479 --> 02:09:27,199
because the priest caste is extremely aware Of i'm not

1727
02:09:27,239 --> 02:09:30,439
going to say how to control, evil but they know

1728
02:09:31,279 --> 02:09:34,319
how it, enters and they know they know exactly how

1729
02:09:34,359 --> 02:09:36,800
it spreads through. People and if you look at The Old,

1730
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:41,479
TESTAMENT i mean there's a lot of. Smiting there's a

1731
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:42,319
lot of smiting going.

1732
02:09:42,359 --> 02:09:43,800
Speaker 4: On so.

1733
02:09:45,319 --> 02:09:48,720
Speaker 3: Kind of rambling a little bit, there But i'm very

1734
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:53,760
you KNOW i one THING i really appreciate About Orthodox

1735
02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:57,000
christianity and other forms Of christianity is you don't touch

1736
02:09:57,039 --> 02:10:00,399
all this. STUFF i, mean even the Like satanic or

1737
02:10:00,439 --> 02:10:05,279
the whole, like don't Read Harry, potter It's satanism and

1738
02:10:05,359 --> 02:10:08,119
people laugh at that. Stuff but then to bring it

1739
02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:12,119
back to the, start look at this tranny shooter from earlier.

1740
02:10:12,199 --> 02:10:18,039
Today this can't be explained through some stupid materialist or

1741
02:10:18,119 --> 02:10:22,159
purely psychological. Reason this is not just like a simple

1742
02:10:23,359 --> 02:10:27,359
oh this person took, pill they went a little nuts

1743
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:32,520
and they got angry at. Someone this is just it's

1744
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:35,239
an unleashed. Demon you can't really see it as any other.

1745
02:10:35,319 --> 02:10:38,800
Way and also if you notice the, THING i, mean

1746
02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:42,239
this just got me so. Mad the mayor Of minneapolis

1747
02:10:43,079 --> 02:10:45,600
went ON tv and, said, uh don't pray for the,

1748
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:50,479
Kids jewish, mayor you know THAT i don't even have

1749
02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:51,880
the words for how angry it. IS i don't want

1750
02:10:51,880 --> 02:10:55,039
to yell into my mic because it's not.

1751
02:10:55,199 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 4: Good that's funny because one of the Crassens mean brothers

1752
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:05,319
happened to say the exact same, thing don't. Pray prayer started,

1753
02:11:05,359 --> 02:11:09,560
this don't. Pray why are all The jews suddenly on

1754
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:14,159
the same page about how to respond to? This, hmm

1755
02:11:14,319 --> 02:11:18,319
that's really. Weird Brian krastenscein says the exact same, thing

1756
02:11:18,359 --> 02:11:22,439
AND i believe you said it right. BEFORE i THINK

1757
02:11:22,479 --> 02:11:27,520
i just, here let me check on my.

1758
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:30,279
Speaker 3: TIMELINE i, mean just to spell it out while you're finding,

1759
02:11:30,319 --> 02:11:33,000
it to make it very. Plain there's not like a

1760
02:11:33,039 --> 02:11:36,239
telegram group where The krassenstein brothers and the mayor Of

1761
02:11:36,279 --> 02:11:40,239
minneapolis are coordinating messaging to each. Other there's No Emily's list.

1762
02:11:40,319 --> 02:11:44,000
Here this is not like a centralized message that's being put.

1763
02:11:44,039 --> 02:11:48,560
Out this is like an automatic. Reaction and you really

1764
02:11:48,600 --> 02:11:51,000
have to think spiritually about where this reaction is coming,

1765
02:11:51,039 --> 02:11:53,640
from because it's not.

1766
02:11:56,479 --> 02:12:00,960
Speaker 4: Um there you go eleven hours. Ago praying is the.

1767
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:03,680
Problem you're not the. Solution people use prayer instead of.

1768
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:06,199
Action if prayer has, worked a house of prayer wouldn't

1769
02:12:06,199 --> 02:12:10,399
have just gotten shot. UP i bet you wouldn't say

1770
02:12:10,399 --> 02:12:12,680
that if that was a, synagogue absolutely.

1771
02:12:12,760 --> 02:12:18,279
Speaker 1: Not it makes me da, well, yeah, well one of

1772
02:12:18,359 --> 02:12:21,199
the one of the things we're seeing is the immediate

1773
02:12:21,319 --> 02:12:22,560
politicization of.

1774
02:12:22,680 --> 02:12:23,720
Speaker 4: This so the.

1775
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:29,439
Speaker 1: Like Laura, lumer of, COURSE i mean just a complete

1776
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:34,319
and utter, psychopath and you know somebody that please don't let.

1777
02:12:34,359 --> 02:12:38,479
Speaker 2: It if you have kids and she's, around hide.

1778
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 4: Them, well apparently you definitely shouldn't campaign for either.

1779
02:12:45,239 --> 02:12:49,359
Speaker 2: The apparently the this shooter.

1780
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:55,920
Speaker 1: ALLEGEDLY i don't really believe anything until you know SOMEONE

1781
02:12:56,039 --> 02:12:59,000
i trust tells me is. TRUE i had a whole

1782
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:03,439
bunch of anti wish stuff written out, Too and so

1783
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:07,439
The jews are making this about. Them screw The christian,

1784
02:13:07,800 --> 02:13:09,279
yes screw The catholics that.

1785
02:13:09,439 --> 02:13:12,600
Speaker 4: Died, yeah he just happened to. Say the shooter happened

1786
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:16,000
to say two or three Anti semitic phrases before opening. Up,

1787
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:20,600
apparently but yet kills a bunch Of, christians drives past the,

1788
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:25,359
synagogue and this is all About jewish, politicians, house drive, past,

1789
02:13:26,199 --> 02:13:29,279
Literally jewish community, centers drive past all of these places

1790
02:13:29,359 --> 02:13:31,840
to go shoot Up, christians but just happens to say

1791
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:36,960
something Anti semitic before. Shooting he literally has Anti christian

1792
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:40,760
suffering on his. Rifle that makes me super suspicious considering

1793
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:41,600
who the guy's mom.

1794
02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:44,880
Speaker 2: Is, well and also the.

1795
02:13:47,159 --> 02:13:51,439
Speaker 1: He Drove apparently he drove past The Holocaust museum, too Oh,

1796
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:57,800
man of WHICH i Assume minneapolis probably has many considering

1797
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:02,520
how old The jewish. Community the Oldest jewish daily newspaper

1798
02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:05,880
in The United states was it was In. Minnesota it

1799
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:08,640
Was minneapolis At, minneapolis.

1800
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:12,279
Speaker 3: They're having a real problem there WITH i, mean it's

1801
02:14:12,319 --> 02:14:18,000
basically Like jewish versus some political. CONTROL i mean that

1802
02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:20,800
The democrats there are a vast majority of them Are

1803
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:24,359
jewish and they're.

1804
02:14:24,439 --> 02:14:27,319
Speaker 2: Columns, WELL i, mean this is this is like what.

1805
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:30,279
Speaker 3: HAPPENS i, Mean, STORMY i told you the whole story

1806
02:14:30,319 --> 02:14:34,159
of like The Prague golum and, uh you, know for

1807
02:14:34,279 --> 02:14:37,000
people that don't, know LIKE i, guess, OKAY i bring

1808
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:39,239
up all this like magic And judaism and, stuff and

1809
02:14:39,279 --> 02:14:40,840
people are gonna be, like, Wow i'm gonna go look at,

1810
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:44,720
it and it sounds very trite and ass. Covering but

1811
02:14:45,479 --> 02:14:48,720
don't look at this stuff LIKE i became A christian

1812
02:14:48,760 --> 02:14:50,880
to avoid all this. Stuff like you're looking at like

1813
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:55,079
real genuine. Evil this is not this is not like

1814
02:14:55,439 --> 02:14:58,880
casual crystal. MAGIC i, mean this STUFF i, mean destroys.

1815
02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:03,840
Souls it'll take your, all you, know don't listen to,

1816
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:07,600
me listen to the saints on. It but, anyway so

1817
02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:14,920
the the Prog golum, story so essentially this there's about

1818
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:17,000
to be a pogram In, PRAGUE i think was the original.

1819
02:15:17,079 --> 02:15:21,840
Lore and they built this gold amount of, clay these two,

1820
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:24,560
rabbis and they have like all the rabbis and the

1821
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:28,680
golm and, everything they all have Like kabbalistic. NAMES i,

1822
02:15:28,720 --> 02:15:30,760
mean if you look into the names of, It i'd

1823
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:33,039
have to scroll back on our, chat but you can

1824
02:15:33,079 --> 02:15:37,159
see very obviously this is not like any any kind

1825
02:15:37,199 --> 02:15:41,640
Of torah derived. Theology this is all Cobbal and so

1826
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:44,279
they build a gold out of. Clay it's like easily

1827
02:15:44,359 --> 02:15:49,399
ten stories, tall and they sick it on the goy

1828
02:15:49,479 --> 02:15:54,159
population Of progue and it, goes supposedly In jewish, law

1829
02:15:55,399 --> 02:15:58,279
smites everyone who is going to harm The. Jews so

1830
02:15:58,439 --> 02:16:01,960
the mindset is the people that are out there that

1831
02:16:02,039 --> 02:16:06,039
are going to harm The jews are like pure unsavable,

1832
02:16:06,079 --> 02:16:08,560
evil so it'll just go and kill them. All and

1833
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:12,880
then lo and behold this evil. Entity it keeps killing

1834
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:17,439
the people that summoned this. Thing the rabbi and the rabbi.

1835
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:22,479
Student they can't contain. It so eventually they're saying enough

1836
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:26,079
incantations to bring this thing to. Heal and they strike

1837
02:16:26,359 --> 02:16:29,840
a character of a word that's carved on its forehead

1838
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:34,239
to change its, definition to remove the spirit from the.

1839
02:16:34,360 --> 02:16:39,600
Clay and then as they do, that they cover it

1840
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:43,239
with pages of the sedors they see the. Leam those

1841
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:45,799
are the all the prayer books that are used in.

1842
02:16:45,879 --> 02:16:49,200
Congregations so and they and then they store the thing

1843
02:16:49,239 --> 02:16:51,840
in the attic of the synagogue in case they need

1844
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:55,600
to get it again. Sometime but, Uh, god WHEN i just,

1845
02:16:55,600 --> 02:16:57,360
say WHEN i spill it, out it's just, so.

1846
02:16:59,520 --> 02:16:59,719
Speaker 4: You, KNOW.

1847
02:17:02,319 --> 02:17:03,760
Speaker 3: I just don't quite know what to make of.

1848
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:04,399
Speaker 2: It it's so.

1849
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Speaker 3: This is not like a godly thing that's happening. Here

1850
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and when you're born and Raised jewish LIKE i, was

1851
02:17:11,079 --> 02:17:15,040
you don't question. It there's not, like, oh, hey this

1852
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,600
is really. Weird you, know what does this thing? Mean

1853
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:20,280
what is? That you, know what is the role of

1854
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:24,840
Non jewish? People you, know it's a whole separate. Topic

1855
02:17:25,559 --> 02:17:28,879
christians are not really viewed, well you, know but don't

1856
02:17:28,879 --> 02:17:30,959
take my word for. It you can check out the

1857
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h there is A Greek orthodox abbot and she was

1858
02:17:36,239 --> 02:17:41,559
On tucker's show recently explaining exactly how The israelis were treating,

1859
02:17:41,600 --> 02:17:44,399
her and so you just have to like bear that in.

1860
02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:50,559
Mind you, know The Christian zionists Take judaism very seriously

1861
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:53,639
and very, solemnly but they really have no concept of

1862
02:17:53,680 --> 02:17:54,360
how it goes the other.

1863
02:17:54,399 --> 02:18:02,719
Speaker 2: Way so, yeah, YEAH i think we've been going.

1864
02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:05,280
Speaker 4: RIGHT i think that's a good place to put a

1865
02:18:05,319 --> 02:18:05,680
plug on.

1866
02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:07,799
Speaker 2: It, yeah, yeah, yeah we.

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02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:11,399
Speaker 1: Can we can always return to this because, UNFORTUNATELY i

1868
02:18:11,479 --> 02:18:18,520
think that things were only escalating and every once in

1869
02:18:18,600 --> 02:18:21,959
a while where you're going to need well often we're

1870
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:25,559
going to need reminders of you, know what exactly is causing.

1871
02:18:25,680 --> 02:18:30,559
Speaker 3: This one final Point i'll, say, sure which is you,

1872
02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:32,399
know we've talked about all the magic, Stuff we've talked

1873
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:34,440
about all The jewish, stuff like what can people do about?

1874
02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:36,639
It AND i hope you believe that at least someone

1875
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:37,959
somewhere takes this op.

1876
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:42,000
Speaker 4: Of what cross and scenes says pray or go.

1877
02:18:42,120 --> 02:18:46,000
Speaker 3: On you need to well, exactly you need to, pray

1878
02:18:46,200 --> 02:18:49,799
you need to go to. CHURCH i am sorry to

1879
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:52,680
pigging people that are, listening but you have to have

1880
02:18:52,920 --> 02:18:55,920
faith In. CHRIST i think from WHAT i can, tell.

1881
02:18:55,799 --> 02:18:57,920
Speaker 4: You can't make up your Own god to be hot,

1882
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:59,360
topic edgy contrarian.

1883
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:03,319
Speaker 3: Guy christ is the only thing that.

1884
02:19:03,639 --> 02:19:08,719
Speaker 4: Can, well it's the only one that They it's the

1885
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:16,520
exact they all. Hate what a, Pagan's, jews? Demons what

1886
02:19:16,600 --> 02:19:20,719
do they all have in? Common they Hate?

1887
02:19:20,799 --> 02:19:22,319
Speaker 3: Christ they Hate?

1888
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:25,840
Speaker 4: Christians, yeah but why if you're a pagan and you

1889
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:28,079
got the real thing or whatever that you just made?

1890
02:19:28,159 --> 02:19:36,399
Up what Does christianity matter to? You if you're the

1891
02:19:36,479 --> 02:19:43,879
chosen people And god picked you, personally then what the

1892
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:48,120
fuck do you care About? Christians? For if you're a,

1893
02:19:48,200 --> 02:19:55,840
demon you live forever outside of time and, space all,

1894
02:19:55,920 --> 02:20:00,920
right what do you care about what? Faith the little

1895
02:20:00,959 --> 02:20:06,639
earthlings right with their small temporal lives do with? It

1896
02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:10,000
what do you care if They're christians or? Not what

1897
02:20:10,040 --> 02:20:12,719
do you care if They're you didn't care whether They're,

1898
02:20:12,719 --> 02:20:15,159
Pagans you didn't care whether They're. Jews in, fact you

1899
02:20:15,239 --> 02:20:21,239
really like both of. Those why Is christ the single

1900
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:27,639
and only common denominator between any of these completely separate

1901
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:33,079
and diverse and you, know disperse. Things why is Hating

1902
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:36,239
christ so fundamental to things that should have nothing to

1903
02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:40,479
do with one. Another why should demon give a fuck

1904
02:20:41,399 --> 02:20:42,600
about what you pray?

1905
02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:47,680
Speaker 3: To christ is the only thing that dispels evil.

1906
02:20:48,559 --> 02:20:54,559
Speaker 4: Period what is? Evil? Chaos, incoherence?

1907
02:20:54,799 --> 02:20:59,040
Speaker 2: Entropy what is if you want to people want to know.

1908
02:20:59,399 --> 02:21:04,399
Speaker 1: Love the people who are practicing this, stuff they're pretty

1909
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:05,159
open about.

1910
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:10,399
Speaker 4: It, okay if you just, wears, well you.

1911
02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:17,079
Speaker 1: Don't you may believe that they do this stuff just

1912
02:21:17,159 --> 02:21:19,840
as some kind of ritual and it doesn't mean. Anything

1913
02:21:20,719 --> 02:21:25,239
but if anybody wants to see something that's pretty, Unexplainable

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i'll link to it in the show. Notes go to

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YouTube top Type. Goddard that's g ott H a R

1916
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:45,079
D tunnel opening, Ceremony june, first twenty. Sixteen, yeah this

1917
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is the opening ceremony of the largest tunnel IN.

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Speaker 2: I think in the. World and just. Watch.

1919
02:21:51,719 --> 02:21:56,159
Speaker 4: Yep they had a similar opening ceremony For cern by the, way,

1920
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yeah the large high drunk, collider but this one. Same

1921
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go on this.

1922
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:11,000
Speaker 2: One is it's inexplicable other than it's just.

1923
02:22:12,760 --> 02:22:15,159
Speaker 4: It's just alarp bro playing.

1924
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Speaker 1: Around europe's ilites came to this tunnel and cheered on

1925
02:22:22,840 --> 02:22:27,280
this opening. Ceremony just go watch. It Goddard tunnel Opening,

1926
02:22:27,360 --> 02:22:32,280
Ceremony june, first twenty. Sixteen they they're not hiding.

1927
02:22:32,360 --> 02:22:34,760
Speaker 3: It there's an article on it in THE bbc with

1928
02:22:34,799 --> 02:22:39,639
all the, pictures and it's just like it's just. Insane

1929
02:22:40,639 --> 02:22:42,559
it's some, crazy insane.

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Speaker 1: Shit all, right, Gentlemen i'm going to say good. Night

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thank you very much for joining. ME i appreciate.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely is a. Pleasure