Speaker 1: You're listening to Something rather than the creator and hosts
Speaker 1: Ken Valente, editor and producer Peterer Bower.
Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, this is Ken Vaalante with the Something rather
Speaker 2: Than Nothing podcast, and I am very excited to have
Speaker 2: the creative talent behind spine Wound, which is a play
Speaker 2: that's going to be at the West End Theater in
Speaker 2: New York City. Incredible, New York City, August twenty second,
Speaker 2: twenty third, twenty twenty six. And the chat today about
Speaker 2: this work. We have Julia Ordway, Carter Williams and creator
Speaker 2: and primary talent behind the production, Ryce Bilela. I wanted
Speaker 2: to welcome each one of you onto the show. Welcome
Speaker 2: to Something rather Than Nothing.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to have a group by going into
Speaker 2: recordings and we used to chat with one person and
Speaker 2: then I love the I love like a group and
Speaker 2: talking about a group, particularly when you're in the midst
Speaker 2: of like making something. And I appreciate your time as
Speaker 2: you're pulling this together and let's talk about it with
Speaker 2: the energy of Okay.
Speaker 4: Swine wom what's going on with.
Speaker 2: This this this this this play. I know there's a zine.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later. But the plays coming up.
Speaker 2: I mentioned the day what is swine Wom? I saw gothic?
Speaker 2: You had me I was sold rate there. Tell us
Speaker 2: what's going on with its production.
Speaker 5: Yes, swine Wom is a Southern Gothic horror story. It's
Speaker 5: a full length play and we did it previously December
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five at the Red Pavilion, which is like
Speaker 5: a cabaret kind of club in Brooklyn. And yeah, now
Speaker 5: we're taking it to Manhattan at the West End Theater
Speaker 5: UH next week, which is very exciting and terrifying at.
Speaker 3: The same time.
Speaker 4: It's nice.
Speaker 2: It's nice to catch you, you know, as you as
Speaker 2: you're pulling this together in a big production. And and
Speaker 2: of course the voice you heard was Reese Pillow and
Speaker 2: just wanted to bounce over to Julia and say hello,
Speaker 2: and if you could just like mention like your work
Speaker 2: and relation to the swine Mooom production.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I play Shiloh. She is she's going through a lot.
Speaker 6: Carter plays my brother. Then there's some other characters who
Speaker 6: come in and out. She's a heavy role of big
Speaker 6: lift of acting. But it's fun in a story that
Speaker 6: I think we all agree that needs to be told
Speaker 6: and We're telling it in a really intense way and
Speaker 6: it's fun, but audiences need to be ready for what
Speaker 6: we're about to do on stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, I love that leading there's something I drop.
Speaker 2: I've been lucky enough to drop into Broadway and off
Speaker 2: Broadway productions just through the show and relationships that I have,
Speaker 2: and it's been really nice to be able to connect
Speaker 2: with like like the energy of like of what's going on.
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 2: Could you pull listen to the context of and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna bounce back to Resa and pull you in Carter
Speaker 2: in a minute. But about where this idea comes from?
Speaker 2: And just how do you get it to the stage.
Speaker 2: You're in New York City. That's impressive, right, Like you
Speaker 2: got it on stage, like idea to how this thing is.
Speaker 4: Going to happen. August twenty second, twenty third. Can you
Speaker 4: take us through that a little bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Swine Moom began as a one act play that I
Speaker 5: wrote my senior year at NYU and then produced the
Speaker 5: summer after I graduated, so around like July twenty twenty five,
Speaker 5: and then I had been working on the full length
Speaker 5: version for a while.
Speaker 3: After writing the original.
Speaker 5: One act I just felt really passionately about the story
Speaker 5: and it really it really resonated with me, Like I
Speaker 5: felt very strongly that there was a world to be
Speaker 5: explored here and to elaborate on, and to bring in
Speaker 5: other characters and just get really into the lore. You know.
Speaker 5: I like to do some I like to do some
Speaker 5: lore buildings of world building.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3: I wrote it last summer.
Speaker 5: We did it in December, and yeah, we just wanted
Speaker 5: to do it on a bigger scale for more than
Speaker 5: one night only, which is what our last run was.
Speaker 5: And yeah, really just remount the production as best we
Speaker 5: could and bring in more people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, excited for you. Carter.
Speaker 2: You play Shiloh's a great name of the name Shallow,
Speaker 2: Shallow's brother. You tell us a little bit about, you know,
Speaker 2: how you come to be in this role, a little
Speaker 2: bit of your your your background in in particular about
Speaker 2: the role, like what it was like in happening in
Speaker 2: that space.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I played Ellis, which is Shiloh's brother, and he's, uh,
Speaker 8: he's a lot you know, he's he's doing a lot
Speaker 8: of things that are questionable behavior. You could say a
Speaker 8: lot of things he's doing to others, which is you know,
Speaker 8: not something that I like to do in the world,
Speaker 8: but you know, it's it's a character, and you know,
Speaker 8: you you got to do that sometimes to get the
Speaker 8: story forward.
Speaker 7: But the way I got into it through Reese.
Speaker 8: Me and Reese we worked together at m y U
Speaker 8: first on one of our other shows called Dinner with
Speaker 8: the head Mistress, and then we continued to collaborate through there,
Speaker 8: and then she wrote the one act version of.
Speaker 7: This show, which was called Putting Grass. And there's a
Speaker 7: cat right.
Speaker 2: Here and so cat friendly. Hold up, so cat friendly?
Speaker 2: This show is completely cat friendly. I got I got
Speaker 2: three of them running around. I always interrupt the show,
Speaker 2: win it's over. Yeah, it's all good, it's all good. Well,
Speaker 2: going back to your character.
Speaker 8: And so then when we did it the first time,
Speaker 8: I don't think there was names for the characters, but
Speaker 8: essence of.
Speaker 7: The characters were still very much there, and it was very.
Speaker 8: Exciting to like jump into people that are really not
Speaker 8: like they They are from the South, they have different
Speaker 8: accents than us, and they're just very different than the
Speaker 8: way Julie and I are in real life, I would say,
Speaker 8: which is exciting to always play that. And then also, yeah,
Speaker 8: Reese always writes exciting work.
Speaker 7: That I love to join in. So it's a good collaboration.
Speaker 4: No, I love that.
Speaker 2: One of the things I want to you know, I
Speaker 2: started mentioned NYU, and sometimes I like just ask a
Speaker 2: question about, like what the experience was like there, Like
Speaker 2: when I'm talking to folks from a city or a
Speaker 2: music scene, or like you from that kind of academic,
Speaker 2: very like prestigious academic background. What was it like your
Speaker 2: experience in anybody could speak to this as far as
Speaker 2: coming right out of that, you know, the learning what
Speaker 2: you were able to have it art space within NYU,
Speaker 2: because it's got to be so formative, at least in
Speaker 2: my head for you.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 6: Spending four years, you've got the school and the city
Speaker 6: kind of behind you, and so that the second that
Speaker 6: you leave, you kind of already know you've been on
Speaker 6: the streets, you've explored, and so it is scary to
Speaker 6: not have the back to be able to fall back
Speaker 6: on school. But I mean we've all collaborated and met
Speaker 6: through NYU, and so to take that out of that
Speaker 6: school setting and then be able to do the same
Speaker 6: work but on just like a much different scale is
Speaker 6: the most exciting thing to be able to do and
Speaker 6: in the city that we've kind of grown up in
Speaker 6: our college years. To just be able to keep doing
Speaker 6: that is a blessing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that makes a lot of That makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense to me. I always I have this.
Speaker 2: I come to art in a very different way. I
Speaker 2: didn't go to art school or anything like. I developed
Speaker 2: things on my own. I studied like the theory of art,
Speaker 2: and I started painting later in life and started like
Speaker 2: deliberately creating things. So I have a fascination with like
Speaker 2: doing like art, not to say art school or creating
Speaker 2: through that time. So I always ask And one of
Speaker 2: my favorite mangas is Blue Period, which is just a
Speaker 2: detailed experience of going through Japanese art school, and there's
Speaker 2: like fifteen volumes. So it's like, that's kind of why
Speaker 2: I asked the question too, because I'm always fascinated like
Speaker 2: at different points of how we develop things, Like I
Speaker 2: started painting at forty five, what if whatever I wanted
Speaker 2: to do is earlier. It's just something you think about
Speaker 2: as a philosopher. Maybe that's why I have I have
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 4: The zine.
Speaker 2: The zine related to Swinemom. I love zine, so a
Speaker 2: personal curiosity. Reese tell us about the zine and uh
Speaker 2: where to get it.
Speaker 5: Honestly, yes, the zine was perhaps overly ambitious and foolish
Speaker 5: fundraising endeavor, but uh, however, I'm very happy with the result.
Speaker 9: It was a logistically stressful experience, and so, like I
Speaker 9: said earlier, it's a write of passage to be a
Speaker 9: creative in New York and to make a zine.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so it was an idea that I had
Speaker 5: for the fundraiser. I wanted to bring together a lot
Speaker 5: of creatives because I am a very like substack pilled person,
Speaker 5: Like I love my substack, I love the poet like
Speaker 5: I love poetry, I love short stories, and I wanted
Speaker 5: to connect.
Speaker 3: People and bring people together.
Speaker 5: To yeah, like write about the theme of like Americana
Speaker 5: and religion and the devil and things like that, and
Speaker 5: just contribute to this little publication and yeah, see their
Speaker 5: work in print, which a lot of people don't get
Speaker 5: to do too much. So it was really exciting and
Speaker 5: there was a lot of great work. And it's available
Speaker 5: as an add on for tickets, so anyone who wants
Speaker 5: to pick up a copy of the show can add
Speaker 5: it to their ticket, and it is also available through
Speaker 5: an order form in the bio on the Swine Woman Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I like some of the zines that I have.
Speaker 2: Maybe I've gone through them recently and it's a few
Speaker 2: years ago, and it's a distinct event that like or
Speaker 2: distinct performance or something, you know. And there's something about
Speaker 2: tactile being able to like, you know, put your fingers
Speaker 2: on that, and I think that's such a you know,
Speaker 2: with the experience of the play and its uniqueness in
Speaker 2: each performance of how it's done. Like there's a tactile
Speaker 2: piece that really makes sense to me. And Carter, you
Speaker 2: seem to be stoked about the zine. Tell us about like,
Speaker 2: like I'm excited, Like I get excited, so I recognize
Speaker 2: when somebody decaid it's like, tell us about your connection
Speaker 2: to the zine.
Speaker 4: Man, You're gonna love this, right.
Speaker 8: I mean I bought one, you know, supporting these one
Speaker 8: purchase at a time, you know.
Speaker 7: But yeah, no, I just think it's great.
Speaker 8: Like like as you said, like it it's like almost
Speaker 8: like what are those capsules, you know, like time capsules?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, of like what.
Speaker 8: This show is, what we're trying to tell And yeah,
Speaker 8: it's just a lot of the people work in it.
Speaker 8: I also know, so uh yeah, I just really appreciated
Speaker 8: it and I was like nice, and I just I like, I.
Speaker 7: Like the word zine too. It's fun to say, I know.
Speaker 2: It is the the podcast. Well, when the podcast we're
Speaker 2: not good on the production schedule for zine, there is
Speaker 2: one issue of a zine and I'll email it to you, and.
Speaker 4: It's it's, it's, it's, it's.
Speaker 3: It's kind of several that I could name.
Speaker 2: It's like and it's the zine we made is nice.
Speaker 2: But there's one in the seven plus years of the
Speaker 2: podcast history, and so issue too should be coming out soon.
Speaker 2: But love love the zene IDEA know there was a
Speaker 2: lot of effort in process and going through it, and
Speaker 2: hopefully as you continue to make scenes time it's a
Speaker 2: little bit easier. Okay, I'm gonna jump over because like
Speaker 2: the show is conceptual and we have to show some
Speaker 2: of our chops, like conceptually and thinking about art and
Speaker 2: such like. At least I love to I love to
Speaker 2: have those conversations. So I'm just gonna like launch in.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you, Carter, right, like you're interested in art,
Speaker 2: you're an artists, like you know, you create.
Speaker 4: What is art? Like what's what's the big deal here?
Speaker 8: So for me, I guess art would be like my
Speaker 8: interpretation of the thing we're trying to explore, you know,
Speaker 8: And for me that usually is like the acting side
Speaker 8: of it because I am an actor.
Speaker 7: That's kind of how I approach it at first.
Speaker 8: Is even when I'm reading stuff, I kind of start
Speaker 8: thinking of like, Okay, how is this gonna look on stage?
Speaker 8: That's also kind of a director's mind, but like.
Speaker 7: How is this gonna look? How would this character sound
Speaker 7: while talk? All those things?
Speaker 8: And then I also just like to really like play,
Speaker 8: have fun, find the joy in it. So for me,
Speaker 8: like are I always try to make it really happy
Speaker 8: and joyful and fun when you can, even when you're
Speaker 8: dealing with heavy stuff, like just try to you know,
Speaker 8: take it with what it is and take it seriously,
Speaker 8: but also you know, keep it fun because you know
Speaker 8: the world is tough enough.
Speaker 7: You know, you got to keep everything light.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's no, no, like then particularly no.
Speaker 2: I mean, like a couple episodes ago, I was talking
Speaker 2: to an author, Rachel Verney, and she put out a
Speaker 2: book prioritized play, and it was all like all this
Speaker 2: like driven in on some of the things you were saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, there's all this other stuff around this,
Speaker 2: but like, go play with the legos, go get the
Speaker 2: crayons out, like in that experimental piece of it. So
Speaker 2: like I love the.
Speaker 4: Spirit of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm bouncing over to you, Julia, what the heck
Speaker 2: is art?
Speaker 6: I've got to agree with Carter and what he says.
Speaker 6: I think art is all subjective, and so I hate
Speaker 6: when people use the term good or bad because how
Speaker 6: do you classify that when everyone is looking at something
Speaker 6: completely different. I think that I got into art like
Speaker 6: playing in the mud at like four years old, and
Speaker 6: to me, that's still the same art that I create.
Speaker 3: With recent Carter.
Speaker 6: In the room, I think people find their niche and
Speaker 6: they find their specifics of what and for me as well,
Speaker 6: what Carter said like it is acting, but I think
Speaker 6: with acting it also comes with seeing how directors are
Speaker 6: in the room and seeing how writing changes, and I
Speaker 6: think that's all inspiring and contributes to who I am
Speaker 6: as an actor. So I don't think you can just
Speaker 6: be an actor. I think there's everything and any creative
Speaker 6: thing you've ever done in your life is going to
Speaker 6: infiltrate on your training or your artistry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah lovely. I love talking with y'all.
Speaker 4: I really do. Race Uh well, what's art amazing?
Speaker 5: Definitely, like with Julia said this show. In the case
Speaker 5: of this show, it's very akin to playing in the mud.
Speaker 3: But I mean art is art is everything. Like art
Speaker 3: is it's.
Speaker 5: Storytelling and it is like connection and and humanity and
Speaker 5: a and a business like it's everything.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's like the producer mindset that's like it's a business,
Speaker 5: but uh yeah, I think storytelling through different mediums, like
Speaker 5: you know, you can you can paint a canvas like
Speaker 5: entirely read with like one black splatter and it's modern
Speaker 5: art and like that could be like a metaphor for like.
Speaker 3: Like climate change.
Speaker 5: Like I don't know, it's like it depends on the
Speaker 5: first it could be anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I uh love the chat and I think
Speaker 2: I think there's so many questions to try to explore
Speaker 2: of like when we've refer to ourselves as an artist
Speaker 2: or like that we're making art that we've like reflect
Speaker 2: on like what you know what that actually means? I
Speaker 2: wanted to I wanted to ask uh, to ask you
Speaker 2: some very specific details, BEFO. We're going to further and
Speaker 2: not dropping in and at the end about New York
Speaker 2: City is its own uh geography and place, But could
Speaker 2: you give like the listeners, particularly a good amount of
Speaker 2: the folks who listen in the New York City area,
Speaker 2: the very specific details about the performances of swine will
Speaker 2: coming up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we open on the twenty second.
Speaker 3: We have a seven thirty pm show at the West End.
Speaker 5: Theater, which is also called the Wet in the Upper
Speaker 5: west Side, And we also have a matinee Sunday the
Speaker 5: twenty third at two thirty pm, and then another evening
Speaker 5: show at seven thirty pm.
Speaker 2: Wonderful, wonderful, Reese, I'm going there. Let's pretend I'm walking
Speaker 2: in to the first performance. I'm seeing certain things. I'm
Speaker 2: seeing the stage. What am I feeling? Like you here
Speaker 2: Southern Gothic, but like, what's you know, without telling everything,
Speaker 2: like what am I feeling all of a sudden when
Speaker 2: I'm stepping into your space?
Speaker 5: I have been describing the experience of Swinewoom to be
Speaker 5: your feelings during the show, like you will maybe be
Speaker 5: a little disgusted, a little thrilled, you know, maybe a
Speaker 5: little disturbed, but also having the time of your life.
Speaker 5: Like it will shock you and gross you out, but
Speaker 5: it will also be the most fun you have at
Speaker 5: a theater this summer.
Speaker 4: Well that's the type of ticket I buy.
Speaker 2: We're recording here overund the on the West Coast and Salem, Oregon.
Speaker 2: Originally from Rhode Island, and so I do love the city.
Speaker 2: I am a Red Sox. Fans want to get into
Speaker 2: the baseball stuff, the Yankees and stuff. I just like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I love New York City. It's not talk baseball at all,
Speaker 2: but it's great to hear about this, uh, this upcoming,
Speaker 2: this upcoming performance. I wanted to ask I'll start with you, Reese,
Speaker 2: and I asked both of you too, as far as
Speaker 2: a point that came up. I'm thinking literature, and I'm
Speaker 2: thinking influence, the things that influence like you're thinking and
Speaker 2: you had mentioned poetry, Reese, and I was just wondering
Speaker 2: some of the like the creators not necessarily behind what
Speaker 2: leads to swine wom but like creators that have that
Speaker 2: like impact on you that you're excited, like talk about poets, playwrights, writers.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, I am I really resonate and am a
Speaker 5: fan of the New French extremity movement and film. It's
Speaker 5: one of the biggest influences on About About It definitely
Speaker 5: one of the biggest influences on my work for stage
Speaker 5: and screen.
Speaker 3: I really I find body horror.
Speaker 5: And sensory visceral horror to be really affect and something
Speaker 5: that I'm passionate about.
Speaker 3: And that I think is important.
Speaker 5: I really admire Julia de Corno, the filmmaker who made
Speaker 5: Titan and Raw and most recently Alpha.
Speaker 3: I really admire Gasparnoa.
Speaker 5: I would like to be the girl version of Gasparnoa
Speaker 5: if I can, if I can get it, get to
Speaker 5: that level.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think a lot of like.
Speaker 5: Extreme horror and things of that nature are really where
Speaker 5: I find the most like truth and resonance. So that
Speaker 5: is what I look up to and what I'm passionate about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just on the show. It covers a lot
Speaker 2: of territory and things that I've done. But like I
Speaker 2: talk a lot of culturally, Like my partner and I
Speaker 2: go out dancing at a goth club like every other weekend,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of goth culture in Portland. But horror.
Speaker 2: I've had, you know, some scream queens on the on
Speaker 2: the show. But one author I was really thinking of
Speaker 2: when you were talking about is el Nash and her
Speaker 2: and she did a book called The deliver Me seen
Speaker 2: as like a literary girl that kind of like sexiness
Speaker 2: and appeal around that piece and she is that but
Speaker 2: extreme body horror and like the set in like West Virginia,
Speaker 2: like woman who works at a like a slaughterhouse like
Speaker 2: these like really yeah, yeah, el Nash, deliver Me? But yeah, thanks,
Speaker 2: Like sometimes like as creators, like I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: like the things that kind of electrify us, like from
Speaker 2: from from writing, Julia, what about that for you that
Speaker 2: let you off? Like playwrights, writers like poets that like
Speaker 2: that get you going.
Speaker 6: I think for me, I fell in love with Elizabeth
Speaker 6: Barrett Browning as a poet. I thought the way that
Speaker 6: she wrote was just beautiful, but also she has a
Speaker 6: way that she's writing about really intense things, similar to
Speaker 6: how our show is as well, where there's so much
Speaker 6: underneath what the words are said and then she comes
Speaker 6: out and she just says it, and I think that's
Speaker 6: what we do. So she was inspiring to me. For
Speaker 6: years she has been and I think female poets to
Speaker 6: me have the most beautiful minds. I think female writers too,
Speaker 6: and so working with Reese's that's the inspiration Reese's as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the poetry connection, Carter. What gets you going?
Speaker 2: Reading wise?
Speaker 8: I feel like I do a lot of like watching
Speaker 8: and viewing more than reading. For me, like a lot
Speaker 8: of Like I feel like last year, like my top
Speaker 8: movies were like ham Knet and one battle after another
Speaker 8: I loved. And then also like there was a movie
Speaker 8: a few years ago close that I always go back to.
Speaker 8: It was like a Belgium film I saw I was
Speaker 8: starting a broad in London a few years ago, but
Speaker 8: it's about these like two boys. I don't I forget
Speaker 8: who wrote it and directed it, but it was really good.
Speaker 7: But then like I.
Speaker 8: Don't know, I watch a lot of like pop culture
Speaker 8: pop movies, so like I don't know, like there's no
Speaker 8: I don't know any of these fancy names a lot
Speaker 8: you know that Reese is saying all these things, you know,
Speaker 8: but like for me, I just think it's so inspiring
Speaker 8: seeing like anyone who has success in like what they do,
Speaker 8: like it's just really awesome, Like for me like performance performance, right,
Speaker 8: the performance hit it and you're going and like making
Speaker 8: it happen, Like that's the goal and that's the dream.
Speaker 7: And like however I can help people to do that
Speaker 7: as well is kind of my m So that's what
Speaker 7: I want to be able to do.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely absolutely, uh lovely incredible. I got to tell
Speaker 2: you U when I so some of the materials and
Speaker 2: advanced materials have for swine Woom just loved it, like
Speaker 2: I said, for my own personal like uh, and and
Speaker 2: the promise of scandal is attractive, the promise of you know,
Speaker 2: like the subversive because like if there's something that Gothic
Speaker 2: is about, for me is like just subversive, whether it's
Speaker 2: creeping and slow or it's just it twists things up,
Speaker 2: and I really love that space. I'm gonna throw out
Speaker 2: the big question the show because I always ask the
Speaker 2: big question of the show, which sometimes is thought to
Speaker 2: be nonsensical. But I'm going to open up to like
Speaker 2: each one of you, uh, and at least one person
Speaker 2: take a like a stab at why is there something
Speaker 2: rather than nothing?
Speaker 3: Carter? I think you had to take this one away.
Speaker 4: Car gets it.
Speaker 7: Why is there something rather than nothing?
Speaker 2: To me?
Speaker 8: My My immediate thought is, like, you know, similar to
Speaker 8: like why I'm why am you know? You got to
Speaker 8: try because if you don't try, there's nothing. You know,
Speaker 8: at least there's something. You're putting something forward, and if
Speaker 8: you don't do that, it's just nothing. And what's life
Speaker 8: if there's nothing?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Like, no, I know there's something, Like that's the nub
Speaker 2: of the question that comes up a lot, And that's
Speaker 2: the nub of it, like in the doing and the
Speaker 2: creating that there's something I'm not saying that's the answer, right,
Speaker 2: like nobody knows for sure and maybe it's not, but no,
Speaker 2: I like, that's that's why I kick it around you
Speaker 2: you all want, I gotta tell you one funny part.
Speaker 4: About that question.
Speaker 2: So it's like an annoying question because philosophers, like, there's
Speaker 2: an annoying part of philosophers. That's why they killed Socrates
Speaker 2: and like, so, uh, the piece about like asking that
Speaker 2: quest said, only once have I let a guest. So
Speaker 2: back when I was younger, there was this show American Gladiators,
Speaker 2: and if you look back at the video footages that
Speaker 2: came out in the nineties, and I fucking loved the show,
Speaker 2: and it was like, you know, dangerous battle with each
Speaker 2: other and shoust and everything like that. And there was
Speaker 2: a strong woman and her name was Ice on the show. Well, anyways,
Speaker 2: I remember this from my younger days, and I got
Speaker 2: Ice on the podcast and now I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: intimidated because Ice could pick me up and snap me
Speaker 2: in half. And so I'm talking her. I said, Ice,
Speaker 2: here's the thing, your only guess I've ever offered this to.
Speaker 2: You can answer the question something wi is there something
Speaker 2: rather than nothing? Or you can tell me to fuck off.
Speaker 2: And she told me to fuck off. So I don't
Speaker 2: give that option to everybody, but because it was Ice,
Speaker 2: I let her out.
Speaker 4: Thanks for kicking that one around.
Speaker 2: Any anything I think throwing something else about swine Women,
Speaker 2: I'm excited for it. If there's any way in the
Speaker 2: universe I can make it out to the city that
Speaker 2: I love out there in New York City, I'll try
Speaker 2: to make it. But anything else on swine wom before
Speaker 2: we close it out.
Speaker 6: I think that going back to what Reese was talking
Speaker 6: about with how you'll feel when you walk in, I
Speaker 6: think this show will make you uncomfortable. And my favorite
Speaker 6: thing is when art does that it's supposed to make
Speaker 6: you uncomfortable. And so I think that if anyone comes
Speaker 6: see it and they walk away and they feel like
Speaker 6: physically don't feel good, I think that we did our
Speaker 6: job to show them that you need to feel uncomfortable
Speaker 6: for anything to change.
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, she got it. We're going out. We're going
Speaker 4: to go out on that. We're gonna go out, We're gonna.
Speaker 2: It has been like really great to connect it with
Speaker 2: each one of you. And like I said, in a
Speaker 2: period where you're busy and you know, nervous and ready
Speaker 2: to put like this this big thing on, best of
Speaker 2: luck to you. I'm really excited. And and folks, as
Speaker 2: you're listening to this episode, particularly those uh in that
Speaker 2: New York City area, check out swine moom and and
Speaker 2: and and support uh you know, live theater so important
Speaker 2: uh nowadays, and so everybody, swine Wim thanks for the
Speaker 2: creative tast here.
Speaker 4: And like I said, best of luck to swine awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us, for having us.
Speaker 4: Thank you absolutely my pleasure.
Speaker 1: M It's something rather than nothing.