WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:06.759 You're listening to Something rather than the creator and hosts 2 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:12.199 Ken Valente, editor and producer Peterer Bower. 3 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:20.199 Hey, everyone, this is Ken Vaalante with the Something rather 4 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:25.120 Than Nothing podcast, and I am very excited to have 5 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:30.839 the creative talent behind spine Wound, which is a play 6 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:32.960 that's going to be at the West End Theater in 7 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:37.359 New York City. Incredible, New York City, August twenty second, 8 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.719 twenty third, twenty twenty six. And the chat today about 9 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:49.600 this work. We have Julia Ordway, Carter Williams and creator 10 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:54.479 and primary talent behind the production, Ryce Bilela. I wanted 11 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:57.320 to welcome each one of you onto the show. Welcome 12 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:58.600 to Something rather Than Nothing. 13 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:01.079 Thank you for having me. 14 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:06.040 Yeah, it's great to have a group by going into 15 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.400 recordings and we used to chat with one person and 16 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.560 then I love the I love like a group and 17 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:13.799 talking about a group, particularly when you're in the midst 18 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:17.319 of like making something. And I appreciate your time as 19 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:19.799 you're pulling this together and let's talk about it with 20 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:21.480 the energy of Okay. 21 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.040 Swine wom what's going on with. 22 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.760 This this this this this play. I know there's a zine. 23 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:29.760 We'll talk about that later. But the plays coming up. 24 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.959 I mentioned the day what is swine Wom? I saw gothic? 25 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:36.200 You had me I was sold rate there. Tell us 26 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:37.680 what's going on with its production. 27 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:45.599 Yes, swine Wom is a Southern Gothic horror story. It's 28 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:51.680 a full length play and we did it previously December 29 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:55.319 twenty twenty five at the Red Pavilion, which is like 30 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.599 a cabaret kind of club in Brooklyn. And yeah, now 31 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.319 we're taking it to Manhattan at the West End Theater 32 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.879 UH next week, which is very exciting and terrifying at. 33 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:08.360 The same time. 34 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:10.520 It's nice. 35 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.719 It's nice to catch you, you know, as you as 36 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:18.479 you're pulling this together in a big production. And and 37 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:22.960 of course the voice you heard was Reese Pillow and 38 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:26.639 just wanted to bounce over to Julia and say hello, 39 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:31.240 and if you could just like mention like your work 40 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:34.639 and relation to the swine Mooom production. 41 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:42.120 Yeah, I play Shiloh. She is she's going through a lot. 42 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:47.360 Carter plays my brother. Then there's some other characters who 43 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:52.199 come in and out. She's a heavy role of big 44 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.400 lift of acting. But it's fun in a story that 45 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.479 I think we all agree that needs to be told 46 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:02.000 and We're telling it in a really intense way and 47 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:05.719 it's fun, but audiences need to be ready for what 48 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:07.280 we're about to do on stage. 49 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:14.000 Yeah, I like, I love that leading there's something I drop. 50 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:17.120 I've been lucky enough to drop into Broadway and off 51 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.560 Broadway productions just through the show and relationships that I have, 52 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.360 and it's been really nice to be able to connect 53 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:29.080 with like like the energy of like of what's going on. 54 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:31.000 Right now? 55 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:35.319 Could you pull listen to the context of and I'm 56 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:37.199 gonna bounce back to Resa and pull you in Carter 57 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:42.319 in a minute. But about where this idea comes from? 58 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.280 And just how do you get it to the stage. 59 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:47.599 You're in New York City. That's impressive, right, Like you 60 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:51.800 got it on stage, like idea to how this thing is. 61 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:55.039 Going to happen. August twenty second, twenty third. Can you 62 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:56.280 take us through that a little bit? 63 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:58.560 Yeah. 64 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:02.280 Swine Moom began as a one act play that I 65 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:06.759 wrote my senior year at NYU and then produced the 66 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.719 summer after I graduated, so around like July twenty twenty five, 67 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.840 and then I had been working on the full length 68 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.879 version for a while. 69 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:20.680 After writing the original. 70 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:23.800 One act I just felt really passionately about the story 71 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.480 and it really it really resonated with me, Like I 72 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.240 felt very strongly that there was a world to be 73 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.480 explored here and to elaborate on, and to bring in 74 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:37.959 other characters and just get really into the lore. You know. 75 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:39.519 I like to do some I like to do some 76 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:41.279 lore buildings of world building. 77 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.519 Oh yeah, so yeah. 78 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:45.279 I wrote it last summer. 79 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.519 We did it in December, and yeah, we just wanted 80 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:52.120 to do it on a bigger scale for more than 81 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.319 one night only, which is what our last run was. 82 00:04:55.040 --> 00:05:01.720 And yeah, really just remount the production as best we 83 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.680 could and bring in more people. 84 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.279 Yeah, excited for you. Carter. 85 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.160 You play Shiloh's a great name of the name Shallow, 86 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.319 Shallow's brother. You tell us a little bit about, you know, 87 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.439 how you come to be in this role, a little 88 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.720 bit of your your your background in in particular about 89 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.240 the role, like what it was like in happening in 90 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:24.800 that space. 91 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:26.319 Yeah, for sure. 92 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:32.000 Yeah. I played Ellis, which is Shiloh's brother, and he's, uh, 93 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.439 he's a lot you know, he's he's doing a lot 94 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:38.959 of things that are questionable behavior. You could say a 95 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.839 lot of things he's doing to others, which is you know, 96 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:45.839 not something that I like to do in the world, 97 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.079 but you know, it's it's a character, and you know, 98 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.680 you you got to do that sometimes to get the 99 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:51.600 story forward. 100 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.920 But the way I got into it through Reese. 101 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.120 Me and Reese we worked together at m y U 102 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.079 first on one of our other shows called Dinner with 103 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:04.720 the head Mistress, and then we continued to collaborate through there, 104 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.480 and then she wrote the one act version of. 105 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:10.079 This show, which was called Putting Grass. And there's a 106 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:10.759 cat right. 107 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.040 Here and so cat friendly. Hold up, so cat friendly? 108 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.879 This show is completely cat friendly. I got I got 109 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:20.199 three of them running around. I always interrupt the show, 110 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:25.879 win it's over. Yeah, it's all good, it's all good. Well, 111 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:26.959 going back to your character. 112 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.040 And so then when we did it the first time, 113 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.240 I don't think there was names for the characters, but 114 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:34.800 essence of. 115 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:38.959 The characters were still very much there, and it was very. 116 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.560 Exciting to like jump into people that are really not 117 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.439 like they They are from the South, they have different 118 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.360 accents than us, and they're just very different than the 119 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.120 way Julie and I are in real life, I would say, 120 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.160 which is exciting to always play that. And then also, yeah, 121 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:59.639 Reese always writes exciting work. 122 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:03.279 That I love to join in. So it's a good collaboration. 123 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:06.560 No, I love that. 124 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:08.680 One of the things I want to you know, I 125 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.759 started mentioned NYU, and sometimes I like just ask a 126 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.720 question about, like what the experience was like there, Like 127 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:17.600 when I'm talking to folks from a city or a 128 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.519 music scene, or like you from that kind of academic, 129 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:26.199 very like prestigious academic background. What was it like your 130 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.839 experience in anybody could speak to this as far as 131 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.680 coming right out of that, you know, the learning what 132 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:37.399 you were able to have it art space within NYU, 133 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.399 because it's got to be so formative, at least in 134 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:40.120 my head for you. 135 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:43.680 I think that. 136 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.519 Spending four years, you've got the school and the city 137 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:51.959 kind of behind you, and so that the second that 138 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.519 you leave, you kind of already know you've been on 139 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.920 the streets, you've explored, and so it is scary to 140 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.680 not have the back to be able to fall back 141 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:06.079 on school. But I mean we've all collaborated and met 142 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:09.319 through NYU, and so to take that out of that 143 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:11.839 school setting and then be able to do the same 144 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.360 work but on just like a much different scale is 145 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.160 the most exciting thing to be able to do and 146 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.120 in the city that we've kind of grown up in 147 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.079 our college years. To just be able to keep doing 148 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.000 that is a blessing. 149 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.839 Yeah, well that makes a lot of That makes a 150 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:33.440 lot of sense to me. I always I have this. 151 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.159 I come to art in a very different way. I 152 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.360 didn't go to art school or anything like. I developed 153 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.440 things on my own. I studied like the theory of art, 154 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.600 and I started painting later in life and started like 155 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:50.279 deliberately creating things. So I have a fascination with like 156 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:54.919 doing like art, not to say art school or creating 157 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.320 through that time. So I always ask And one of 158 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:02.879 my favorite mangas is Blue Period, which is just a 159 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:07.639 detailed experience of going through Japanese art school, and there's 160 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.519 like fifteen volumes. So it's like, that's kind of why 161 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.879 I asked the question too, because I'm always fascinated like 162 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.320 at different points of how we develop things, Like I 163 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.399 started painting at forty five, what if whatever I wanted 164 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:21.279 to do is earlier. It's just something you think about 165 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.320 as a philosopher. Maybe that's why I have I have 166 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:25.759 the show. 167 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:27.159 The zine. 168 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.840 The zine related to Swinemom. I love zine, so a 169 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:37.960 personal curiosity. Reese tell us about the zine and uh 170 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:39.440 where to get it. 171 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:45.960 Honestly, yes, the zine was perhaps overly ambitious and foolish 172 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:53.159 fundraising endeavor, but uh, however, I'm very happy with the result. 173 00:09:53.919 --> 00:10:00.600 It was a logistically stressful experience, and so, like I 174 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.919 said earlier, it's a write of passage to be a 175 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.320 creative in New York and to make a zine. 176 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.679 But yeah, so it was an idea that I had 177 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.919 for the fundraiser. I wanted to bring together a lot 178 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:20.120 of creatives because I am a very like substack pilled person, 179 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.279 Like I love my substack, I love the poet like 180 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:27.480 I love poetry, I love short stories, and I wanted 181 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:28.720 to connect. 182 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:29.960 People and bring people together. 183 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.200 To yeah, like write about the theme of like Americana 184 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:40.159 and religion and the devil and things like that, and 185 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:45.960 just contribute to this little publication and yeah, see their 186 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:47.919 work in print, which a lot of people don't get 187 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:52.600 to do too much. So it was really exciting and 188 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.480 there was a lot of great work. And it's available 189 00:10:57.039 --> 00:11:01.039 as an add on for tickets, so anyone who wants 190 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:02.759 to pick up a copy of the show can add 191 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.399 it to their ticket, and it is also available through 192 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.120 an order form in the bio on the Swine Woman Instagram. 193 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:15.000 Yeah. I I like some of the zines that I have. 194 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.480 Maybe I've gone through them recently and it's a few 195 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.519 years ago, and it's a distinct event that like or 196 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.799 distinct performance or something, you know. And there's something about 197 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:27.320 tactile being able to like, you know, put your fingers 198 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.840 on that, and I think that's such a you know, 199 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.679 with the experience of the play and its uniqueness in 200 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:35.919 each performance of how it's done. Like there's a tactile 201 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.279 piece that really makes sense to me. And Carter, you 202 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.519 seem to be stoked about the zine. Tell us about like, 203 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.639 like I'm excited, Like I get excited, so I recognize 204 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:45.720 when somebody decaid it's like, tell us about your connection 205 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:46.279 to the zine. 206 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:47.559 Man, You're gonna love this, right. 207 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.919 I mean I bought one, you know, supporting these one 208 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:54.759 purchase at a time, you know. 209 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.600 But yeah, no, I just think it's great. 210 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.600 Like like as you said, like it it's like almost 211 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.960 like what are those capsules, you know, like time capsules? 212 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.159 Yeah, yeah, of like what. 213 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.720 This show is, what we're trying to tell And yeah, 214 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.679 it's just a lot of the people work in it. 215 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:18.919 I also know, so uh yeah, I just really appreciated 216 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.279 it and I was like nice, and I just I like, I. 217 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.519 Like the word zine too. It's fun to say, I know. 218 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.519 It is the the podcast. Well, when the podcast we're 219 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:32.720 not good on the production schedule for zine, there is 220 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.360 one issue of a zine and I'll email it to you, and. 221 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:36.960 It's it's, it's, it's, it's. 222 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:38.519 It's kind of several that I could name. 223 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:44.039 It's like and it's the zine we made is nice. 224 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.279 But there's one in the seven plus years of the 225 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.240 podcast history, and so issue too should be coming out soon. 226 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:53.600 But love love the zene IDEA know there was a 227 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:56.600 lot of effort in process and going through it, and 228 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:00.799 hopefully as you continue to make scenes time it's a 229 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.799 little bit easier. Okay, I'm gonna jump over because like 230 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.120 the show is conceptual and we have to show some 231 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:09.440 of our chops, like conceptually and thinking about art and 232 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.639 such like. At least I love to I love to 233 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.480 have those conversations. So I'm just gonna like launch in. 234 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.200 I'm gonna ask you, Carter, right, like you're interested in art, 235 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:21.799 you're an artists, like you know, you create. 236 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.759 What is art? Like what's what's the big deal here? 237 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:33.320 So for me, I guess art would be like my 238 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:39.200 interpretation of the thing we're trying to explore, you know, 239 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.200 And for me that usually is like the acting side 240 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.120 of it because I am an actor. 241 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:46.679 That's kind of how I approach it at first. 242 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.519 Is even when I'm reading stuff, I kind of start 243 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.879 thinking of like, Okay, how is this gonna look on stage? 244 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.360 That's also kind of a director's mind, but like. 245 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.559 How is this gonna look? How would this character sound 246 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:01.679 while talk? All those things? 247 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.200 And then I also just like to really like play, 248 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.720 have fun, find the joy in it. So for me, 249 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.600 like are I always try to make it really happy 250 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:17.159 and joyful and fun when you can, even when you're 251 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.879 dealing with heavy stuff, like just try to you know, 252 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.159 take it with what it is and take it seriously, 253 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.559 but also you know, keep it fun because you know 254 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:28.240 the world is tough enough. 255 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:30.360 You know, you got to keep everything light. 256 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.559 I don't know if that's no, no, like then particularly no. 257 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.440 I mean, like a couple episodes ago, I was talking 258 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:40.279 to an author, Rachel Verney, and she put out a 259 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:43.759 book prioritized play, and it was all like all this 260 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:46.080 like driven in on some of the things you were saying. 261 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.159 It's like, yeah, there's all this other stuff around this, 262 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.720 but like, go play with the legos, go get the 263 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.320 crayons out, like in that experimental piece of it. So 264 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.440 like I love the. 265 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:58.159 Spirit of it. 266 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.840 Okay, I'm bouncing over to you, Julia, what the heck 267 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:02.759 is art? 268 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.200 I've got to agree with Carter and what he says. 269 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.559 I think art is all subjective, and so I hate 270 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.639 when people use the term good or bad because how 271 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:17.799 do you classify that when everyone is looking at something 272 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:22.080 completely different. I think that I got into art like 273 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.480 playing in the mud at like four years old, and 274 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:26.799 to me, that's still the same art that I create. 275 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:28.759 With recent Carter. 276 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:33.399 In the room, I think people find their niche and 277 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.879 they find their specifics of what and for me as well, 278 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.519 what Carter said like it is acting, but I think 279 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.799 with acting it also comes with seeing how directors are 280 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.519 in the room and seeing how writing changes, and I 281 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.639 think that's all inspiring and contributes to who I am 282 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.039 as an actor. So I don't think you can just 283 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:57.120 be an actor. I think there's everything and any creative 284 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:00.120 thing you've ever done in your life is going to 285 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.080 infiltrate on your training or your artistry. 286 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:09.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah lovely. I love talking with y'all. 287 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:15.200 I really do. Race Uh well, what's art amazing? 288 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.240 Definitely, like with Julia said this show. In the case 289 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.720 of this show, it's very akin to playing in the mud. 290 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:30.039 But I mean art is art is everything. Like art 291 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:30.840 is it's. 292 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:37.000 Storytelling and it is like connection and and humanity and 293 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:38.759 a and a business like it's everything. 294 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:40.600 I don't know. 295 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.720 Maybe it's like the producer mindset that's like it's a business, 296 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:50.279 but uh yeah, I think storytelling through different mediums, like 297 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.600 you know, you can you can paint a canvas like 298 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.159 entirely read with like one black splatter and it's modern 299 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:03.159 art and like that could be like a metaphor for like. 300 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:02.720 Like climate change. 301 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.599 Like I don't know, it's like it depends on the 302 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.240 first it could be anything. 303 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:15.480 Yeah, no, I uh love the chat and I think 304 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.960 I think there's so many questions to try to explore 305 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.240 of like when we've refer to ourselves as an artist 306 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.880 or like that we're making art that we've like reflect 307 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:29.519 on like what you know what that actually means? I 308 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:34.279 wanted to I wanted to ask uh, to ask you 309 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.640 some very specific details, BEFO. We're going to further and 310 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.559 not dropping in and at the end about New York 311 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:48.279 City is its own uh geography and place, But could 312 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:51.480 you give like the listeners, particularly a good amount of 313 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.240 the folks who listen in the New York City area, 314 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.880 the very specific details about the performances of swine will 315 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:01.279 coming up. 316 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.759 Yeah, we open on the twenty second. 317 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.160 We have a seven thirty pm show at the West End. 318 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:14.759 Theater, which is also called the Wet in the Upper 319 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:19.599 west Side, And we also have a matinee Sunday the 320 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.759 twenty third at two thirty pm, and then another evening 321 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.400 show at seven thirty pm. 322 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:35.759 Wonderful, wonderful, Reese, I'm going there. Let's pretend I'm walking 323 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:40.119 in to the first performance. I'm seeing certain things. I'm 324 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.599 seeing the stage. What am I feeling? Like you here 325 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:47.279 Southern Gothic, but like, what's you know, without telling everything, 326 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.240 like what am I feeling all of a sudden when 327 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.000 I'm stepping into your space? 328 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:59.319 I have been describing the experience of Swinewoom to be 329 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:05.359 your feelings during the show, like you will maybe be 330 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.920 a little disgusted, a little thrilled, you know, maybe a 331 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:16.079 little disturbed, but also having the time of your life. 332 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:22.240 Like it will shock you and gross you out, but 333 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.119 it will also be the most fun you have at 334 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:26.759 a theater this summer. 335 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:29.559 Well that's the type of ticket I buy. 336 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:36.519 We're recording here overund the on the West Coast and Salem, Oregon. 337 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:44.400 Originally from Rhode Island, and so I do love the city. 338 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.039 I am a Red Sox. Fans want to get into 339 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.680 the baseball stuff, the Yankees and stuff. I just like, Hey, 340 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:54.839 I love New York City. It's not talk baseball at all, 341 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:59.039 but it's great to hear about this, uh, this upcoming, 342 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:03.880 this upcoming performance. I wanted to ask I'll start with you, Reese, 343 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:06.119 and I asked both of you too, as far as 344 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.000 a point that came up. I'm thinking literature, and I'm 345 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:12.400 thinking influence, the things that influence like you're thinking and 346 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:15.720 you had mentioned poetry, Reese, and I was just wondering 347 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.279 some of the like the creators not necessarily behind what 348 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.599 leads to swine wom but like creators that have that 349 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:26.680 like impact on you that you're excited, like talk about poets, playwrights, writers. 350 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:34.720 Absolutely, yeah, I am I really resonate and am a 351 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:38.559 fan of the New French extremity movement and film. It's 352 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:44.359 one of the biggest influences on About About It definitely 353 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:47.400 one of the biggest influences on my work for stage 354 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:48.079 and screen. 355 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:53.640 I really I find body horror. 356 00:20:53.480 --> 00:21:01.119 And sensory visceral horror to be really affect and something 357 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:02.519 that I'm passionate about. 358 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:03.960 And that I think is important. 359 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.559 I really admire Julia de Corno, the filmmaker who made 360 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:12.480 Titan and Raw and most recently Alpha. 361 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:14.720 I really admire Gasparnoa. 362 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.079 I would like to be the girl version of Gasparnoa 363 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.559 if I can, if I can get it, get to 364 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:20.079 that level. 365 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.519 But yeah, I think a lot of like. 366 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.599 Extreme horror and things of that nature are really where 367 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:33.759 I find the most like truth and resonance. So that 368 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.079 is what I look up to and what I'm passionate about. 369 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:42.160 Yeah, there's just on the show. It covers a lot 370 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:43.960 of territory and things that I've done. But like I 371 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.119 talk a lot of culturally, Like my partner and I 372 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.039 go out dancing at a goth club like every other weekend, 373 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:55.319 and there's a lot of goth culture in Portland. But horror. 374 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:00.160 I've had, you know, some scream queens on the on 375 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.480 the show. But one author I was really thinking of 376 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:05.920 when you were talking about is el Nash and her 377 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.839 and she did a book called The deliver Me seen 378 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.880 as like a literary girl that kind of like sexiness 379 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.880 and appeal around that piece and she is that but 380 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:21.559 extreme body horror and like the set in like West Virginia, 381 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:24.839 like woman who works at a like a slaughterhouse like 382 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:30.759 these like really yeah, yeah, el Nash, deliver Me? But yeah, thanks, 383 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.680 Like sometimes like as creators, like I'd love to hear 384 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:38.079 like the things that kind of electrify us, like from 385 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.000 from from writing, Julia, what about that for you that 386 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.440 let you off? Like playwrights, writers like poets that like 387 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:45.319 that get you going. 388 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.680 I think for me, I fell in love with Elizabeth 389 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.359 Barrett Browning as a poet. I thought the way that 390 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:58.240 she wrote was just beautiful, but also she has a 391 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:01.200 way that she's writing about really intense things, similar to 392 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:05.279 how our show is as well, where there's so much 393 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.759 underneath what the words are said and then she comes 394 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:09.480 out and she just says it, and I think that's 395 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:13.559 what we do. So she was inspiring to me. For 396 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:17.759 years she has been and I think female poets to 397 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:21.559 me have the most beautiful minds. I think female writers too, 398 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:26.160 and so working with Reese's that's the inspiration Reese's as well. 399 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:31.920 Yeah, I love the poetry connection, Carter. What gets you going? 400 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:32.759 Reading wise? 401 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.920