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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Brian

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Coberger and his father took a longer route home from Pennsylvania,

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and that decision has had some people asking some questions

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about what would motivate them to do something like that,

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And for me, my personal opinion is it had to

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do with the weather. We're talking about driving across country

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from Idaho all the way to Pennsylvania through the Rockies

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in the middle of winter, and there were some storms

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raging at the time. So personally, I would have taken

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the other route, the southern route that we saw Brian

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and his father take as well. Sure, you might add

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on a few hours to your journey, but it's better

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than getting caught in a white out or some icy

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ass highway where you can't even move. So when I

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first heard this story and that they took the longer route,

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I thought right away it had to do with the weather.

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And that's still where I'm at as of now. Let's

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see if this article changes my mind. This is an

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article from Fox News headlined inside Idaho murder suspect Brian

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Coberger's unusually long route home to Pennsylvania. The lengthy drive

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home in December had some questioning whether he was dodging

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more than snow. This article was authored by Michael Ruiz,

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and it's a legitimate question to ask why would you

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take the longer route? And while I believe the answer

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is simple and it has to do with the weather,

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I'm not willing to discount anything until it's ready to

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be discounted. A month after allegedly stabbing for University of

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Idaho students to death, Brian Coberger and his dad set

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off on a cross country odyssey in the vehicle of interest,

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headed home to Pennsylvania from Washington State University. The twenty

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eight year old criminology PhD student avoided the most direct route,

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which a long Interstates ninety and ninety four is a

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thirty eight hour drive according to Google Maps. Was he

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trying to confuse authorities, enjoy a scenic route, or avoid

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bad weather? I mean, I guess it can be any

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of those. Right. You and your dad are out on

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a cross country trip, say to your pops, hey, let's

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take the scenic route and let's look at some of

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the sites. Or he wants to throw the cops off,

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so he comes up with a different excuse, tells his dad, hey,

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there's going to be too much weather on the northern route,

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so we're going to take the southern route, and the

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reason is the weather. Dad. Meanwhile, it has nothing to

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do with the weather, just a likely excuse for Brian

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Kolberger so that he could take the scenic rout to

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ditch the cops. So, of all of those scenarios that

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are presented, those three scenarios, the most unlikely of those

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scenarios is Brian trying to go the scenic route. Why

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in the hell would he want to do that considering

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what's going on and at this point the authorities were

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already looking for the vehicle and him, So taking the

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scenic route that would mean more eyes on you and

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more cars driving by you, and more possibility of you

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getting spotted by law enforcement like what happened in Indiana.

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Coberger and his dad went south down to Loma, Colorado

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near I seventy, then cut east on a route that

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took them past Indianapolis along the way, adding at least

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six hours to a drive that they completed some time

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between December twelfth and December sixteenth. Court documents don't specify

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exactly when Coberger left his apartment in Pullman, Washington, about

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ten miles from the crime scene, but the document show

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his car triggered a license plate reader in Loma on

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December thirteenth. The route takes the father and son duo

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about fifteen hours out of the way. Despite some reporting

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that the FBI lost track of his whereabouts during his

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leg of the journey, authorities have denied it, of course

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they have. What are the authorities gonna come out? The

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FBI is gonna say, yep, you know Howard Bloom over

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there over at Airmail, he really got it. He got

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it right, Folks, we lost Brian Coberger and that was

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our bad. We were busy watching episodes of Yellowstone, so

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you know, we couldn't keep our eye on Brian Coberger.

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Is that what people expect the FBI to say? Why

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would they even admit that Bloom has it? Right now?

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I'm not saying that he does. I can't confirm what

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Bloom over at hot air has to say, hot Mail,

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whatever the hell it's called over there. I have no clue.

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But the FBI sure is quick to come out and

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deny a whole bunch of stuff in this story. It

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would be nice if they'd give us a little bit

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of context every now and then. Instead of all these denials,

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the FBI is aware of reports detailing alleged FBI surveillance

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on Idaho murder subject. Brian Cooberger, an FBI spokesman, told

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Fox News Digital on Thursday, there are anonymous sources providing

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false information to the media. That's pretty ironic and rich

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coming from the FBI, considering how they like to also

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do the same thing and provide information when it suits

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them through anonymous sources. According to that same report, however,

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the Coburgers were allegedly worried about snow to the north

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in their twenty fifteen Hondai, a launtra a small sedan

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nearly a decade old with front wheel drive, And to me,

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that's the likeliest scenario, and that's probably what they were

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thinking about. Who the hell wants to drive across country

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in a little ass Hondai in the middle of December,

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going through the Rockies. I can understand if the weather

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is good, then that's a whole different story. But with

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bad weather, zero chance I'd even try and begin to

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navigate that. And they had reason to be. According to

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storm data just reviewed by Fox Weather, meteorologists were tracking

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a coast to coast storm during the week of December twelfth,

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and it didn't matter which highway a driver picked, they

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would likely run into potential hazardous weather, explained Andrew Wolfick,

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a digital content producer and meteorologist at Fox Weather that

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said the initial hours of the duo's journey would have

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been treacherous had they taken the most direct route with

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white out conditions that covered parts of the northern Plains

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and upper Midwest in over a foot of snow. So

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even if they would have taken the most direct route,

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they would have had those white out conditions driving that

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hooped ass HONDEI Alantra, So they would have lost time

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either way. Why not just go the way with the

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better weather and keep your time that you're going to

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be spending on the road and moving towards your destination.

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The first leg out of Idaho through the higher elevations

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of the Rockies would likely have been tough, with estimates

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topping a foot of new powder per day. Wolfig said.

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Once east of the Rockies, southern routes appeared to be

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more optimal due to exffected blizzard conditions in the northern plains.

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The weather up north was so severe that South Dakota

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authorities even shut down several major highways, including Interstate ninety

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on December thirteenth. He added, So if they would have

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went that way, they would have lost more time probably

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than even going the southern route. So you might as

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well just do the southern route. Suck it up, know

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you're going to have to eat a few hours and

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try and make up for it on the back end.

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Who the hell wants to be stuck in a snowstorm

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in some rinky dink motel in North Dakota South Dakota

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wherever a southern route would put a traveler closer to

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the system's warm zone and further away from the effects

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of wintry impacts. Wilfix said snowfall did not affect Interstate

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eighty or any route south of there. East of the Rockies,

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they would have only been impacted by rain and wind,

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and not nearly as hazardous, he said. The detour south,

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according to criminal profiler and psychotherapist John Kelly, among the

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least suspicious of Coburger's actions following the murders, and I

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agree with that fully. I don't even find this suspicious

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at all, To be honest with you, police alleged Coburger

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returned to the crime scene hours after the slayings, but

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before police had received a nine to one one call.

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Authorities tracked his movements about thirty miles south to Lewiston

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that afternoon. It's the drive that morning that Kelly said

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stands out to him, and I agree again with mister

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Kelly here. I think that directly after leaving the house,

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if Brian Coberger is the guy the government's telling us

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he is, that's when he got rid of all the evidence,

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got rid of the knife, got rid of clothes, got

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rid of Dickey's or vans whatever he was rocking, and

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kept it moving. I highly doubt he kept all of

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that in his possession all the way up until the

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time him and old pod Dukes here were driving across

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the country. He may have disposed of evidence along the way,

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Kelly said, or he may have been in a euphoric state,

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reflecting on the crime and enjoying the mountain scenery. That

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sounds perverse and crazy to us, but to these crazy

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psycho killers, that's the kind of shit that they do.

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For them, They're fulfilling their needs, right, They're fulfilling their

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goals like you or I would fulfill a goal by

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graduating from school, getting promoted at work, something like that.

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For these sick bastards, it's all about enacting these fantasies

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that they've been harboring for all of these years. We

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can't call him a serial killer yet, and maybe never,

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Kelly said, but serial killers tend to put a lot

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of mileage on their cars. They spend a lot of

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time stalking and voyeuristic kinds of situations where they've got

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a drive looking for victims. And that's one thing that

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Ed Kemper was talking about as well. Ed Kemper said

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that one of the most important things for him was

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to have a good car because he was putting a

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lot of miles on it. The son of Sam same thing, Berkeway,

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he would put his kill kit in the car and

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he would drive around for weeks at a time looking

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for the perfect woman to shoot. So Kelly is not

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wrong when he's talking about how they put a lot

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of mileage on their car. Now. I won't say that

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Brian Cooeberger is a serial killer. We don't know that,

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but he certainly has a lot of the attributes of

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some of these sick bastards that we've seen throughout the past.

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Coburger is accused of entering a six bedroom house on

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November thirteenth and killing four young people around four am.

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The victims, all University of Idaho's students, have been identified

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as three housemates, Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, and Xana Kernodle,

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and Kernodle's visiting boyfriend Ethan Chapin. Along the way home,

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the Coburgers passed through Hancock County, just east of Indianapolis.

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A local deputy end the state trooper each stopped the duo,

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resulting in a pair of body cam videos that eventually

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gave the public the first sound of coburger voice. He

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was suspicious. His demeanor is one of suspicion. Susan Constantine,

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a behavioral analyst who specializes in body language and detecting deception,

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told Fox News Digital he is a suspicious person, but

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he was suspicious of the officer. Why was he being

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pulled over the intensity of his glare, The way he

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leaned forward and gripped the steering wheel with one hand

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shows this. She said. You can see that stalker in

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his eyes, that fixation. That's a scary thing. She said

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evil is looking at you straight in the eye. I mean,

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come on, talk about hyperbole. I think Brian Kohberger is

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likely the guy here. But to look at him and say, oh,

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he looks evil or he has a stare that's evil,

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that's a bit silly. Nobody can look at somebody and

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say oh, they're evil because of the way they're looking

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back at them. Now, people can give you the creeps.

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People can be creepy as shit, like Charles Manson. But

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for this lady, who is an actual doctor, to say

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that she was staring at the face of evil, talk

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about hyperbole. Coberger has been charged with felony, burglary and

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four counts of first degree murder. He could face the

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death penalty if convicted. A Leta County judge set his

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preliminary hearing for the week of June twenty sixth, and

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in the meantime he is being held without bail. So

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there is the conversation about Brian Cohberger and his drive

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from his home in Washington all the way back to Pennsylvania.

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And for me, I don't think there's any doubt that

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they changed their route because of the weather and to

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avoid a full on white out. Blizzard. All right, folks,

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that's gonna do it for this one. All of the

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