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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, I hope

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you're having a great night, and of course, thank you

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so much for joining us for another livestream episode of

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the show. I really appreciate it. I had originally planned

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to bring Carrie back on this week for a Q

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and A show, but poor Carrie is really catching it. Unfortunately, adamily,

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remember passed away, so now she had to travel out

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of state to tend to that to deal with that. Unfortunately,

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of course she's going to be in our prayers. We

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want nothing but the best for her. But when I

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found out that she wasn't going to be able to

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record the show this week, and understandably so, I reached

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out to you a good man I know named Brian

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Terrell with Red Dirt Cryptids. He's been on the show

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before on episodes four sixty and four ninety two. I

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asked him about coming on to do a live stream

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tonight and luckily he agreed, so without any further ado,

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let's bring him in here. Now, Brian, thanks so much

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for coming back. We really appreciate you doing this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I always enjoy Kevin and hanging out with you

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for a while.

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Speaker 2: Well it's fun, haven't you. It always is, Brian. For

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anyone who missed those two shows, episodes four sixty and

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four ninety two, please tell them about yourself and also

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tell them about Red Dirt Cryptids.

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Speaker 1: Well, I for a long time, you know, I had

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no idea what I'd seen. I just kind of called

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it the wolf Dog, and it wasn't until somewhere around

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twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I kept hearing, you know, people

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talking about this dog man thing on podcasts, and I

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really didn't know, you know, what they were talking about.

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I thought they were talking about some kind of centaur

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type creature was half man, half dog or something. But

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when I finally got to see a picture of it,

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it just it hit me like a ton of bricks.

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I realized that I'd seen one of those years ago,

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you know, ten years prior. And then it really when

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I really started doing my research and dig it into them,

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I realized I had seen two of them, but one

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was very much different than the other. But so I

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started red Dirk cryptied investigations originally just for the people

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of northwest Oklahoma who had crypted encounters you know, bigfoot,

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dog man, you know, anything else that they happened to

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have seen. You know. I started out just for them,

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but it quickly spread and next thing you know, I

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was talking to people from all over the state, and

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eventually I ended up working parts of southern Kansas from

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time to time as well. You know, we we do

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a lot, me and my team. I've got several guys

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that go out with me, Jeff Hatfield, Coleman Natchley, Eric Schrader,

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and occasionally we have Scottie Rottimaker from Kansas with us too.

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But we're always, you know, keeping our ear to the

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ground and looking for case files, and we try to

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go out and do field work, try to find ends

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of these creatures. But we also interview eyewitnesses and talk

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to them, and you know, probably a lot like you, Vic,

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I spent a lot of time on the phone talking

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to people who have had the majeebers scared out of them,

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you know. But the one thing that I think that

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is I actually document all of these case files that

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I get a chance to and I write them all

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down and I put them on a public I wouldn't

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call it a website, it's a it's actually an app

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that I give people the link to for free. You

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everybody out there has access to all of my case files,

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and as far as I'm concerned, they're they're not really

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my case files. They belong to the people, So throw

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them out there. They're there for people that need them.

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And every you know, every couple of months, I sit

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down and add more case files to them as they

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come in. And you know, it seems like here in Oklahoma,

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they just they just keep coming in. You just kind

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of got to know where to look. I've started learning

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how to search social media and find, you know, people

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that have had these encounters, and you know, I'm not shy.

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I hit them up on you know, Facebook, Messenger, and

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I reach out to them. Sometimes people just call me

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directly because they they know they'll start, you know, googling Oklahoma,

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you know, Wearwolf or something, and I guess I pop

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up somehow. But and I get a lot of case

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files from you, Vig. So I appreciate that because your

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work has really aided my work. You know, that's an understatement.

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A lot of case files I have you listed as

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the investigator. So, but that's kind of me in a nutshell,

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simple guy trying to find some answers. I don't have

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all the answers, but I guess nobody really does.

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Speaker 2: You're right, none of us do. And of course I'm

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glad to send eye witnesses your way. You're one of

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the good ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it. You have sent a few to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to do it. I really am. Brian. A

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lot of people who have never been to Oklahoma. I

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don't know about the unique topography your state has. Please

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expand on that for us.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oklahoma has got to be one of the

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weirdest states in the Union. We've got deserts, we've got maces,

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got rivers, swamps, bayous. We've got farm land like you

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would not believe, which I believe is a great contributor

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to our population. You know, it's just you go from

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one corner of the state to the other, and the

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extremes of the type of you know, mountainous terrain and

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stuff that we have is just it's insane. And then

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when you throw you know, our panhandle in you know,

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no man's land, then you got another, you know, completely

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different type of topography there too. It's it's diverse. We've

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even got salt flats here and deserts. It's it's really

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strange when you really sit down and look at it.

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You know, we've got nice, clear, beautiful creeks and rivers

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over in parts of eastern Oklahoma, and over in western Oklahoma,

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you know, we got muddy rivers, and I mean it's

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like everything is different whenever you travel around. It's like

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very few, even the animals, you know, Like I'll get

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down to southwestern Oklahoma and I'll hear birds that I'm like,

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you know. So it's very different, very unique and diverse,

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so very very strange.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's not lost on a lot of people who

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are in the crypto community that these guys in Sasquatch

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they like to travel in creeks because the creeks will

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hide their presence. Creeks have cut into the ground, and

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they're lower than the surrounding earth normally, so even in

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broad daylight, they can travel those creeks and not be seen.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma offers that on steroids. A lot of people when

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they first travel to your state, they look across an

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expanse and they think it's just flat ground, nothing but

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flat ground out there. But if you go out there

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and take a closer look, what are they going to find?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, all those rivers. We've got a ton of

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rivers and we've got a ton of likes. I read

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somewhere a long time ago that Oklahoma has more miles

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of shoreline than Florida does. It's just something that, you know,

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one of those things that everybody in Oklahoma kind of knows.

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growing up. We've got a ton of water and it

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flows and it's all over. I live in Garfield County

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and I think it may actually be the only county

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that doesn't have a major river flowing through it. I mean,

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we've got a lot of creeks and stuff, but we

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don't have any major rivers. But yeah, it's it's literally everywhere,

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and you know, it all flows from you know, the

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northwestern part, and it just kind of cuts down at

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a forty five degree ankle a lot of times, and

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it all kind of ends up dumping into the Mississippi.

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South Canadian River, Cimarron River, the Arkansas River. I mean,

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there's so many of them. I don't even know, you

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know how many rivers there are. There's just none of them.

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it's vegetation, old forest growth. You know, there's a ton

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of cover for them. And when you get up into

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northwestern Oklahoma, you know, we've got all the farm lands

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and everybody kind of pictures that as being you know,

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but it ain't that Great American Desert anymore. It's very

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heavily wooded and there's a lot of cover for them.

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But on top of having cover, they also have access

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to the large deer population here, which is a great

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food source. And of course now we've got these hogs

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in the last fifteen twenty years, which is I guess

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an unlimited supply of bacon. So you can't argue with that.

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Speaker 2: Now, you can't all that cover the food supply, all

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the moving water when wor could a dog me and want? Unfortunately, yeah,

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not good. Plus the hogs of course, not good at all.

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All right, Brian flunderstand you've got some case files that

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you're willing to share with us tonight. Please do that now.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I once I got in here and

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started looking at you know, some of my case files

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have to you ask me. You know, there's a lot,

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and you know, I really started sitting down and looking

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at him after we talked, and so I actually did

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punch some numbers. You know. I've got one is that

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I've got like three hundred and ninety two case files

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in the Red Dirt Crypto database. There two hundred and

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forty of those, of course are sasquatch. The lions share

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is sasquatch, but seventy eight of those is dog man.

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are dog men, and seventy four of them are others

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like unknown, like it couldn't be identified whether it was

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either or you know, and so's that's nineteen percent of

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them right there, so the number of dog man reports

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could go up dramatically from twenty percent. The weird thing

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that I got to notice, and I could see at

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first glance, was that almost all of the seventy eight

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dog man encounters except for two or Class A signings,

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I think that's kind of unusual. I guess you don't

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get reported as sasquatch. You know, you see something big

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and harry moveing through the woods. I think those those

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class ps are I mean, it kind of makes you

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wonder how many of those class piece that Squatch reports

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are actually dog man reports. So it's kind of some

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food for thought. The first one that I got here

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is from the fall of two thy ten, and I

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actually went out and did an interview with this young man.

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I call him a young man. He was I think

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sixteen years old in twenty ten. He wished to remain anonymous,

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and of course we always respect that, but you know,

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he works in the family business, and you know, his

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dad is a respected businessman in the community, so he

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obviously had concerns like a lot of people do. But

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when he was sixteen years old. He was sitting in

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his bedroom and it was a nice day and he

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had his window open, and he lived in. His bedroom

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and he was up there and he was just kind

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of sitting there and something told him that something was wrong.

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was kind of looking around and he immediately looked out

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the window and he the way he kind of described

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it to me was is that he knew that something

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was out there before he even saw it. And he

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said he really couldn't explain how he knew it, but

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he just knew it. And sure enough, pretty soon this

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creature came out and into the light and started walking

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up his driveway. Now he lives out in the country,

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and it was a pretty nice looking house and the

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driveway was there and it was kind of a long driveway. Well,

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this thing comes into the light from the house and

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it's sniffing around and it's acting like it's looking for something.

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wolf walking around on all fours. And his pickup truck

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not parked on the driveway, but it was parked on

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some gravel just off the driveway. And he said he

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was just like Mesmerie watching the thing, and it walked

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up and it started sniffing his truck, like sniffing the

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tires like a dog would, you know, dogs will do

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that kind of stuff. And basically he said that it

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was really really black and he couldn't see a whole

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lot once it got closer to the house. But he

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said that all of a sudden, he something alerted this dog,

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and it stood up on its hind legs, you know,

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and he knew that this thing was big, you know,

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before he could tell that it was. He said that

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the back of this thing was even with the edge

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of the bed of his pickup truck, you know, which

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depending on the making, model or whatever. You know, that's

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that's probably coming up to your belly button at least,

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you know, if you're a six foot tall guy. But

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he said it was a halftime pickup truck. I can't

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remember off the top of my head, but he said

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it was a four wheel drive or not. But you know,

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but you know, you're talking just a few inches whatever

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this thing was, was pretty substantially big. He said. When

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it stood up, its head was a lot taller than

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the cab of the truck. And of course this kind

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of freaked him out, but he said at that point,

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he said, it kind of looked around back and forth,

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and then it took off and it ran off. He

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never saw it yet, and I think he said he

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said something about it to his parents, but he wasn't

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really sure what he said. Like a lot of people,

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you know, they see this and they don't really know,

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you know, what was that that I saw, Like, I

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didn't know what it was that I saw whenever I

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first saw it. I didn't know it had a name.

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I didn't know there was a breeding population of these things.

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So that was I'm sure it was. It was very

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traumatic for him, and to this day he's still, you know,

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real skittish about talking about it with the you know,

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the wrong people around, you know, because he's worried that

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it's going to affect his livelihood, you know, like a

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lot of people. So that happened in the fall of

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twenty ten, and that was in northeastern Oklahoma, and I

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went out and interviewed this guy. I think it was

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like about a year ago now. So, and there is

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a there is a YouTube video where we actually interview

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the guy, but he's always off camera. So and the

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guy was very sincere, very honest. You know, the guy

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was just I don't know, he just felt like it

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was his duty to let other people know, you know,

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what he'd seen, because you know, I think it bugged

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him enough that he thought that people needed to be warned,

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if you know what I mean. My next one that

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I plucked out happened in twenty thirteen in north central Oklahoma.

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This lady reached out to me. She wanted to be

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anonymous too. She's a Native American woman, and she was

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very close. I'm very close to the intersection of Highway

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four twelve and I thirty five, which is west of Enid,

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north of Paris, east of Enid, north of Perry, you know,

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kind of north of still Water area. But she was

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driving home at about one o'clock in the morning, and

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she said that she saw this thing coming at her

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car as she was driving down four twelve highway, and

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she said she saw it coming, and she said she

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tried to veer out of the way or something, but

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she didn't have time, and believe it or not, this

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thing ran her car and it hit the She was

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driving a four door and it hit the door right

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behind her door, put a big dent in it. I

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asked her if she had pictures of it, and she

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said she did on her old phone, but her old

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phone took a you know, you know what they do,

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and she said she didn't have that photo anymore. But

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the thing actually part of it actually went underneath her

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rear driver's side tire, and she said that she went

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up and over the thing. Of course, she was at

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highway speeds, and she said that she almost lost control

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of her vehicle and it scared her. She thought she

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was going to wreck, and she said she was all

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over the road and she's thinking this thing is going

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to get her, you know. But then at the light,

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very last minute, she got the car under the under

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control and then she just kept going. And of course,

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being Native American, you know, she was obviously disturbed. She

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kind of knew what these things were. She went and

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talked to some people about it, but she kind of

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got the opinion that it was some type of bad

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spirit that was, you know, wanting to punish her in

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some way. And so she didn't talk about it for

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a long time until she started learning too about you know,

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this is a sub type of cryptid that's out there,

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and this woman was like really traumatized by this. She

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went home. She at first she didn't think it was

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a flesh and blood creature. She was under the impression

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that it was some kind of spiritual or paranormal you know,

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demon sent to punish her for It's kind of funny.

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She was coming home from the casino and she thought

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that she was being punished for going to the casino,

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which is kind of funny in its own way. But

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I'll tell you what wasn't funny was listening to her

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tell the story. I mean, this woman was literally, you know, terrified,

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and she was and when she told the story, you know,

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she was just reliving it, and it was it was

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just to me, it was just captivating. I mean, I

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would have loved to have had an audio recorder running

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while she was telling the story. I mean, she was

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literally about on the edge of her seat, you know,

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when she was practically in tears. And this had happened,

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you know, this had happened ten years prior, and it

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was still really impactful. And you know, and creating all

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this emotion in her, you know. And I mean I

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really kind of felt bad for the lady and I

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you know, I tried to talk to her like we

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always do. I mean, there's you know, sadly, you know,

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there ain't nobody that you can reach out to when

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you see one of these creatures. You know, you can't

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call your priest, you know, you can't you know, talk

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to your buddies about it. You're probably gonna you know,

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sometimes even talking to your spouse about it is a

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terrible idea. You know. The only people that you can

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really confide as people that you find out have actually

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had the same encounter, you know. So but anyway, my

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heart kind of goes out to that lady. I'll never

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forget her in her story, but that was to me,

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that was just I've got so many questions with this report,

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like why did it hit her car? What was it

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trying to do? What was the purpose? Did it try

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to get run over? I mean, I have no idea.

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And there's literally nothing out there either in that one

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particular location, there's no rivers or anything out there. There's

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a little airport right there, but now there's a casino

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right there at the intersection of four to twelve and

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I thirty five. But back then it wasn't anything there,

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you know, so I don't really know what was going

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on there. That report leaves you with, you know, more

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questions than you had before, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeahless that normally goes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like every case file opens up five more questions.

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You know. Let's see, my next one is case about

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three fifty two. Let me see I set these things aside.

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Oh gosh, yes, this was a This was a very

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interesting one. I had this young man reach out to me,

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and at the time he reached out to me, I

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think he was seventeen years old. And all I'll say

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is is that he he lives in southwestern Oklahoma, and

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he helps his grandparents run a cattle ranch and they've

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had a series of very peculiar events, including you know,

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cattle mutilations and stuff, of which he sent me pictures of.

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And it's very strange too, because it was like some

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of these casts that were killed, it's like they weren't

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even eaten upon. They were just it was almost like

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they were just killed for sport or something, which is

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you know, odd behavior. To begin with. But he had

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two visual encounters that were pretty scary, pretty scary. The

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first encounter that he had was he was he wrote

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a four wheeler from the farmhouse and he did this

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during the daytime, got up early in the morning, and

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he said, one winter it was really really cold, and

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this was in twenty twenty two, so it wasn't even

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that long ago. It was November twenty twenty two. He

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wrote his four wheeler out to go check and make

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sure that the water trought have one of those big

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twelve foot water troughs with the solar pump, and you know,

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basically he had to go make sure that everything was

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still working and that the cows could get water. And

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so he goes over there and he goes through a

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cattle guard and he opens up the gate and he

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goes in and rides over there, and sure enough, the

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pump is actually working. He said, they've been having trouble

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with the pump. And he noticed whenever he went through

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there was a corral of sorts right there by the

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gate where he went in, and he noticed what he

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thought was a black cow laying down with its back

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facing him in the on the outside of the crowd

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on the other side of it, but he didn't think

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much of it just looked like a black cow, and

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so he just kind of, you know, and he was

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in a hurry. You know, he's you know, seventeen sixteen

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years old the time, and you know, he had better

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things to do than to fool around. So he went

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over there and checked it, and he came back and

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he when he came back, he shut the gate behind him,

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and he noticed that that cow was gone. And so

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he pulled out of the cattleguard and turned to his right,

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and he was going to go that way. But when

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he turned out on the road, and that's when he

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saw it, the thing apparently changed positions. It was now

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in the middle of the road and it was standing

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in the middle of the road, and it was facing

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him like at a three quarters angle. He said, he

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stopped and he was very shocked. You know, he didn't

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know what he was looking at. He said, the thing

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was very large. But he said, the thing him and

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this thing just kind of had like a standoff, you know,

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staring at each other. And he said, really not sure

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how long it was on, but eventually the thing kind

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of did like a like a half lunch at him,

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you know, like like it was trying to instigate something,

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you know. And he said when that happened, it like

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snapped him out of it. And he was like, you know,

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I got to get the hell out of here. So

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he floored it and kind of spun the thing around

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and he took off going the other way and went

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the long way around. But he said that he thought

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the thing was going to get him, but it never

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got him. And I guess several months later, maybe a

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year later, I'd have to check the file. He said

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that he was pulling out of the gate again, same place,

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and he looked up on the hill and he said

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he saw the thing standing up there, and he looked

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at it and they made eye contact, and then all

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of a sudden, it just took off like a rocket, okay,

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and it starts coming down this hill. It's charging him,

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and he's freaked out, you know, and he's like, oh crap,

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you know. So he takes off and he he's just

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gunning it. And apparently he'd been having some problems with

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the brakes on his four wheeler, and but he was

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going so fast an accelerated rate because of his adrenaline

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and everything that he took a curve too fast and

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without his brakes he wasn't able to slow down. He

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actually ended up wrecking his like I say wrecking. He

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went off into the ditch and got stuck right and

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he was just he thought to himself, He's like, this

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is it. This thing's going to kill me. And he said,

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whenever he ran off into the ditch, he got up

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and he looked in there to see what it was doing,

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see if it was, you know, about to pound thought

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him whatever. He said, the thing just stopped, looked confused,

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looked left and right, and ended up just kind of

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casually walking off, like you know, this isn't any fun anymore,

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you know. So he he was. He was very convincing,

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very convincing, nice young man, I think, you know. I

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follow him on we're friends on Facebook, and he's fixing

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to go to college.

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Speaker 3: I think, and he shows cattle. It seems like a

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very nice, well rounded young man. And he seemed like

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he had nothing but sincerity in him, you know. And

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he also mentioned that he had from time to time

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sasquatch on his property out there too, but.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have any fear of them. It's like they

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were no big deal. So but again, you know, when

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you sit down and you listen to the story, right

474
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and you hear him say it, You're like, well, why

475
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,759
didn't that dog man attack him? You know, why did

476
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,519
it had him? You know, why did it stop? Why

477
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:22,079
didn't it catch him the first time? You know, what

478
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,799
was it doing in the corral? Was it in there sleeping?

479
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:32,960
You know? Again I do not, but you know, it's

480
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,119
like most of your stories, VIC, I mean, they usually

481
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,799
end up with you know, no harm coming to the eyewitness,

482
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:46,160
you know, with every opportunity to do it, to catch him.

483
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,640
So I don't know, this stuff is so fascinating. That

484
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:55,160
was Southwestern Oklahoma twenty twenty two.

485
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:05,119
Speaker 2: So so goodness, that's the pattern instead of them following through.

486
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have any case files, and what do we know?

487
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:11,039
It wouldn't It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it.

488
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,440
And keep in mind something that I think people need

489
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,400
to realize. These are just the case files that people

490
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,799
have come forward on. I mean, there's there's got to

491
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:26,200
be a lot more that people just aren't talking about.

492
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,319
I mean, to me, it's just really really fascinating. We

493
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,599
really have no idea how many, what the population is,

494
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,359
or anything, because you know, it's such a it's still

495
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,079
to this day, even though we've come a long way,

496
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,200
it's still a taboo subject. So, especially in Oklahoma, we're

497
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:54,640
very conservative. I guess you'd say, now, you and I

498
00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:02,599
have talked before about you know, how there's no real

499
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,639
paranormal side of most of these case files. How you know,

500
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:15,920
there's no no indication really that these dog man creatures

501
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:22,159
are supernatural, paranormal or whatever. I actually forgot about this

502
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,440
case file until I started going through them, and I

503
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:31,320
took this one back in August of twenty twenty four,

504
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,599
So it's been since the last time I sat out

505
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,400
and talked to you. But I had a lady reach

506
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,039
out to me, and this situation actually happened in Edmund, Oklahoma,

507
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:47,559
which is suburban. Edmund is a really big town just

508
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,639
on the north side of Oklahoma City. It's actually, I

509
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,000
guess you could say it's a suburb of Oklahoma City,

510
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,840
but Edmund is its own town and its own right,

511
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:02,440
you know. But there were two witnesses back in two

512
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,719
thousand and nine that saw a dog man a werewolf

513
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,840
type creature emerge from a flash of green light and

514
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:19,159
this was at Coltrane in Simpson, Yeah, prior, and that

515
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,920
was in the summer of two thousand and nine. Two

516
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,760
people saw it. They were married at the time, but

517
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,119
she said that they were actually divorced now. But she

518
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,480
said that this thing was like twenty to thirty feet

519
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:39,840
away from him and it just flash of light green.

520
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:44,559
The thing was standing there. She says. You didn't see

521
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:48,039
it step out of a portal or anything. She just

522
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:51,239
said that there was a flash of light. They turned

523
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,800
and looked and the thing was standing right there where

524
00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:02,039
the light was. Is that a portal? I don't know.

525
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,400
I don't know. But anyway, this, uh, there was two

526
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,199
people that actually saw this, and they may not like

527
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,960
each other anymore, but they both back each other up

528
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,239
on what they saw that night, which I think is

529
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,519
kind of funny. A weird note about this is they

530
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:26,239
said that this where wolf was standing up right, but

531
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,360
they said that it had blue healer colored fur, you

532
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,480
know that gray color. I don't know. Do you get

533
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,920
a whole lot of reports of them with blue healer

534
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,519
type fur.

535
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: No, I can't think of any that have come in.

536
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of makes you wonder. What I mean,

537
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,880
is this is this a typical dog man. They said

538
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,639
it had spiky hair on the back of its neck

539
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,039
and red eyes. You know, which you know this that

540
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,480
kind of stuff is it is fairly common to get reported.

541
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,679
But you know, I just think it's very very odd

542
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,760
that you know, we would get something like that. I mean,

543
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:14,679
I don't know, but to the best of my knowledge,

544
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,840
this report right here, and it's a case pout three

545
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,559
seventy eight. We're a wolf and Edmund, Oklahoma. That is

546
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,719
the closest thing that I've ever had for a case

547
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,920
file where something could have involved a portal. So I

548
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,159
don't know. Again, here we have more questions, more questions.

549
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,559
Speaker 2: That's how it normally goes. Just when you think you

550
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,840
know enough about dog men to know to have a

551
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,440
clue where the guardrails are, another report comes in that

552
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,920
just blows you right over the guardrail that you're closest to.

553
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,519
Speaker 1: Yes, give me more guardrail because this is it's getting

554
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:02,760
out of control. I do have another report from Edmund

555
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,920
to Oklahoma. This one actually happened in January of twenty

556
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,360
twenty four. This wasn't very long ago, but this one

557
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,360
didn't involve any portals or anything. But it is fairly

558
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:26,679
close to the same area. And this one's pretty weird

559
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,559
too in its own right. I'll just read the eyewitness

560
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,880
report to you because it was very, very brief. This

561
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,639
one reached out to me a messenger wanted to remain anonymous,

562
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,880
which is kind of funny. Most people that have dog

563
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,679
man encounters, it seems like they want to remain anonymous

564
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,239
to it. I would say, to a higher percentage than

565
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,079
sasquatch or Bigfoot believers. But I think it has something

566
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:57,440
to do with the fact that bigfoot is becoming more

567
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,760
acceptable polite society, I guess. But I'll just read this

568
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,159
out to you to hear. The young woman who was

569
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:11,599
a bakery worker twenty two years old in Edmund, Oklahoma,

570
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,320
had a strange encounter on the eleventh of January twenty

571
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,840
twenty four, at three o'clock in the morning. She was

572
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,559
driving to work bank reyworker makes sense, she saw a

573
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:28,119
strange looking dog on top of the water tower. It

574
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:32,840
was near Eyres and Blackwelder and there is a tall,

575
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,960
possibly four story high water tower. She said, at first

576
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,559
it was on four legs, and then it stood up

577
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:46,320
and she noticed it had a caneine head. She said,

578
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,480
there's a stop sign right there at the location. She

579
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,840
described the creature as being roughly six foot tall. It

580
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,119
had a really long snout, and it looked shaggy in nature,

581
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,480
but slender. The eyewitness drove a but lost sight of

582
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,719
the creature. She looked back several times again. This is

583
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:12,239
one of those same stories that we get a lot.

584
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,199
She didn't know what she saw. She described this thing

585
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,960
as a as a were wolf, you know, but she

586
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,519
felt like it was her duty, like somebody needed to know,

587
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,320
you know, which is I think it's pretty common. I

588
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,440
think a lot of people feel a need to tell

589
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:37,039
somebody what they saw. But then after they they do that,

590
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,480
then they just they just want to fade away and

591
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:44,079
go back to their normal lives. I don't know. But

592
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:47,119
what on earth would it have been doing on top

593
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:52,159
of a small water tower, I mean, was it, I

594
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:56,440
don't know, keeping an eye on everything or something, or

595
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,159
even better, how did it get up there?

596
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: You know?

597
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:08,039
Speaker 1: I don't know. So another one that came in recently.

598
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,719
This one actually happened on July twenty ninth of twenty

599
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,079
twenty three, And this one actually came to me through

600
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:23,679
another a fellow bigfoot researcher. His name is Brian Hulin.

601
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,159
He's with the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. He was in contact

602
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:34,440
with a young woman who had encountered a possible white

603
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,760
dog man right off of the right, off the side

604
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,920
of the road in I forty, and it was actually

605
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,719
really close to the Arkansas line, and she was actually

606
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,519
on her way to Arkansas. And I'll just this very

607
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,480
short report because it was a roadside encounter, of course,

608
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,480
but this woman wanted to remain anonymous. The anonymous young

609
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,920
woman who was driving down I forty extremely close to

610
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,679
the Arkansas state line on July twenty ninth, twenty twenty three,

611
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,800
had a roadside encounter with a creature whose description could

612
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,800
possibly meet a white dog man. This encounter happened in

613
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,159
broad daylight. Multiple cars appeared to her as having seen it.

614
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,760
She said the creature appeared to be eating something on

615
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,480
the ground off the side of the highway, possibly roadkill.

616
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,599
The eyewitness speculated that it was roadkill, but didn't see

617
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:38,480
it for sure to conferment. It was on all fours

618
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,719
and it looked up from its meal and looked at

619
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,960
the eyewitness. The eyewitness said that it was possibly twenty

620
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,920
to thirty yards away. She gave the following description that

621
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,360
it had white fur all over and it was extremely large,

622
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,000
and she said its head looked like a polar back.

623
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:06,760
Now that struck me as odd. We don't have We

624
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,920
have very few bears in Oklahoma. We do have small

625
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,199
black bears, but our black bears are about the size

626
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:19,440
of a large dog. So I can't help but wonder

627
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,840
if it was, you know, a canine look. But because

628
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,760
of the whiteness of the thing, spur that she interpreted

629
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,880
it as a polar bear. Kind of hard to say anyway.

630
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:36,760
She said that it looked like a polar bear's head,

631
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,280
except it had a very thick coat of hair around

632
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,880
the back half of its neck. She said that the

633
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,719
back half of the creature looked a lot like a

634
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,519
dog with its the shape of its legs. The eyewitness

635
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,440
reached out to my friend Brian, who relayed the report

636
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:00,480
to us. I thought that was kind of entering. I

637
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,079
thought it was worth documenting because we don't get a

638
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,719
whole lot of white dog man reports, and I am

639
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,360
assuming that that's what we're that's what we're probably looking

640
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,320
at here. Do you get very many white dog man

641
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,199
reports at all?

642
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:18,559
Speaker 2: Not many, but they do come in.

643
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of hard to say. I mean, I

644
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,880
didn't get to question the lady directly, but the guy

645
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,039
that relayed all the information to me, of course, he's

646
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,880
a bigfoot investigator, so he knew what kind of questions

647
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,119
to ask, so I feel and he was very confident

648
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,719
in this young you know, in her sincerity. So it's

649
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,760
kind of funny. She said she didn't know what she

650
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,719
had seen, and she just knew that her friend had

651
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,639
dealt with Bigfoot, so she felt like she needed to

652
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,519
reach out to him. You know. The funny part about

653
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,679
this report is if that young woman would not have

654
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,519
been friends with Brian Hulan, we probably never heard about this.

655
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,840
I mean, it probably never would have saw the light

656
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,960
of day. But now it's documented where other people can

657
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:22,599
get their hands on it. So the next one I

658
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,920
got is a case file two seventy nine. This one

659
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:32,119
happened in July of twenty twenty two. Now this one

660
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:39,400
actually may have have been in Texas, but it did

661
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,119
happen at Lake Texoma. It happened at Mill Creek, which

662
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,159
is actually on the south side of Texoma. And for

663
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,320
those of you that don't know, Lake Texoma is part

664
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,800
of the border between Oklahoma and Texas, and this lady

665
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,880
that reached out to me. She said that there was

666
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,880
three people in the car, but only two of them

667
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,159
saw it. It was her and her nephew. They both saw

668
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:11,719
the thing. And this Mill Creek area is kind of

669
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,800
like one of those typical lake communities where they have

670
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,679
a boat ramp and you know, there's there's trailer houses,

671
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,840
lake houses out there, and I think there's a restaurant

672
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:29,039
out there and stuff, and and this thing was basically

673
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,639
lurking around this this little lake type community at night,

674
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,039
and her and her nephew both saw the thing. And

675
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,400
then when they went back the next day and they

676
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,519
were looking at it in the daylight, they realized that

677
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,400
even though the thing looked huge, it was actually standing

678
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,800
in the bar ditch, which made it actually shorter than

679
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,159
it was in real life. So it was actually taller

680
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,679
than they realized when they when they were actually looking

681
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,360
at it, which I thought was kind of weird. But

682
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:08,639
she gave a really decent description, and I just think

683
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,079
that the whole thing was very interesting. There's not a

684
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:15,440
whole lot of food sources out there other than the lake.

685
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,079
I mean, I did consider that, and there is a

686
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,039
restaurant there, and I thought crossed my mind that maybe

687
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,400
this this creature was dumpster diving in the area at night,

688
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,960
just kind of passing through, hitting a few dumpsters or

689
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,400
maybe even trash cans. You know. It did happen in July,

690
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:41,119
so that's prime time for link activities. So hard to say,

691
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:48,400
but that one maybe in Texas, but we'll still claim it. Right. Oh,

692
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,119
let's see here. Oh this one, this one's so funny.

693
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,440
So this is case Foul three twenty one. And this

694
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,840
one here was actually came out because I just happened

695
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,519
to run into a guy. And so I was out

696
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:11,199
at one of my research areas in northwestern Oklahoma, and

697
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,960
I was out there by myself, which I'm probably not

698
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,400
supposed to do. And I was at this one area

699
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:21,480
and I was looking for prints in the marshes and stuff.

700
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,119
And this guy pulls up in a pickup truck and

701
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,440
starts getting out some fishing poles and stuff. So I

702
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,639
kind of walked over there and I was kind of

703
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,960
visiting with him, you know, because that's usually where you

704
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,360
get your best lead, is from the local boat, the

705
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,760
local boys, you know. And you know, I started out

706
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,920
with you know, regular pleasantries and stuff, and eventually, you know,

707
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:53,440
I slipped in the question, it's so, have you ever

708
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,360
heard of anything weird or seen anything weird out here?

709
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,639
You know? And he's like, well, what do you mean.

710
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:06,280
I don't know, like big foot or anything like that.

711
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,599
And he goes, nope, and he said, I've never seen

712
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:13,599
a bigfoot out here, but I have seen a choop

713
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,960
of combra. And I was like, what, you know, because

714
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,559
I don't have anything that I would consider to be

715
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,960
a cheop of combra report in Oklahoma. So I was

716
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,039
just at first, I was just like, oh, this is awesome.

717
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:34,760
This is awesome. So I asked I like, you know,

718
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,760
I mean, I was giddy, you know, and I was like, well,

719
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,840
tell me about it. What happened? I was like, well,

720
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,840
where did you see this? He goes, oh, We're on

721
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,360
the road over here, and I was I mean, he

722
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,119
was literally talking like two and a half miles down

723
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:50,800
the road, you know. And apparently, according to him, he

724
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,920
was riding his pickup truck and him and his daughter

725
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,599
were going to go fishing and probably at the same place.

726
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:01,159
Apparently he lived right down there. But he said that

727
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,320
this cheop cabra crossed the road in front of them

728
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,559
and scared his daughter. And I guess his daughter was

729
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,639
like six years old or sometimes. I'd have to read

730
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:15,920
the case file. He was telling me all about it,

731
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,239
but he said that it and I asked him to

732
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,719
describe it, you know, and you try to do, you know,

733
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,880
get down to some details and stuff. And it's very

734
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,599
hard to try to get people to accurately describe stuff

735
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:40,880
sometimes because as an investigator, you don't want to plant

736
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,719
ideas in their head. You want us to know what

737
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,000
they really saw. And if you start saying stuff like

738
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:51,280
did it have great, big, huge years, they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

739
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,039
you know, and you know, did it have you know,

740
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,199
fangs that stuck out everywhere?

741
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

742
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, you as an investigater, you need to

743
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:06,760
be very careful not to lead the eyewitness or else

744
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:14,239
you could taint or contaminate your own you know, case file,

745
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,400
you know, your own story. And so I was trying

746
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,559
to be real, real vague, but I was like, well

747
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,760
tell me, tell me what you saw. And basically what

748
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,519
he was describing was a juvenile dog man. And I

749
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:34,639
thought that that was so so funny that he interpreted

750
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:41,320
a juvenile dog man as a chupicabra and kind of

751
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,679
made me reflect and because what he was called a

752
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,800
chupacabra was basically, you know, a black wolf type dog

753
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,039
with thin hair. You know, a lot of them don't

754
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,920
have the bushy hair some of them did, you know,

755
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,559
they're it's like he fight like chiuahwah hair or something.

756
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,559
I guess. I'm sure you get reports of that too.

757
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: Right, Sometimes they do, but not all that.

758
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Often, okay, But he said that, you know, this one

759
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,719
didn't have a whole lot of hair on its body,

760
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,320
but around its neck and everything, and on top of

761
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,519
its head it had a lot of bushy hair. And

762
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:25,360
he actually described it like a lion's mane. But he

763
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,679
said it was only like three or four foot tall,

764
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,039
and it was in the middle of the road. But

765
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,280
it scared his daughter so bad she didn't want to

766
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:36,239
go fishing that day. So but he to this day.

767
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,920
It makes you wonder and reflect on chewpacabras as a whole.

768
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,360
You know, we don't have a whole lot of chupacaba

769
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,840
reports here in Oklahoma, but you know, when you get

770
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,320
further south and you get down into Mexico, it makes

771
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,119
you wonder, are they reporting juvenile dog men? Is that

772
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,239
what they're seeing? I mean it kind of makes you reflect.

773
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,880
I mean, you know, unlike Bigfoot. You know, if you

774
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,119
see a dog man from three or four hundred yards away,

775
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,719
are you going to recognize that as a dog man

776
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,280
or are you just going to call it a dog?

777
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,719
You know, It's kind of the further out you get,

778
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,960
the harder it is to judge, you know, how big

779
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,199
you know a creature is the only way that you

780
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,400
would know for sure is if you saw this dog man,

781
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:33,199
you know, walking upright, you know. So I think that

782
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,079
a lot of people probably see these creatures, especially at

783
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:41,719
a distance, and they don't really realize that it's it's

784
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,000
a cryptid at all. They just think it's a domestic

785
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:48,039
caneine or something. But you know, you think about it.

786
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,960
Even their prints. I mean, the young ones could leave

787
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,639
their prints everywhere and people wouldn't be able to tell

788
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:58,639
the difference, you know, I mean, who knows how many

789
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,360
times we've walked across the dog men prints and they

790
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,360
just appear to be regular canine prints, you know. I mean,

791
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,519
they're really not going to get your attention unless they're

792
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,159
over five inches in diameter, right, I mean they'd have

793
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,679
to be bigger than that. Well, what percent of the

794
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,239
dog man population is actually the really really big ones,

795
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,239
you know, the ones that you hear about are mainly

796
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,719
not that big. You know, they're seven foot range? When

797
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,360
what would you say the average height for some of

798
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,519
the reports you've taken off the top, I mean, just

799
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:41,599
off the top of your head.

800
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:47,039
Speaker 2: I'd say the average height is around seven feet. Eight

801
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,920
footers come in fairly often, but definitely not like the

802
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,239
seven footers, So I'd say the average is normally right

803
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,000
around seven.

804
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting to. I mean,

805
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,480
get a whole lot of you know, these ten footers

806
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,960
and stuff you know that you that you know they

807
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:13,840
you tell hear tail about, but I don't know. And

808
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,119
I guess you've got to ask yourself if you've got

809
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,559
one that stands up and it's seven foot tall and

810
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:24,079
it's coming in at three point fifty three hundred and

811
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:27,719
fifty pounds, I mean, what size diameter a footprint is? That?

812
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,079
Is that beast gonna leave? I mean, we really don't know.

813
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:39,480
Nobody does, and well, I mean I'm not gonna say nobody.

814
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:44,239
There's there's probably people out there that have that that expertise,

815
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,559
but I'm definitely not one of them. And I think

816
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:52,159
the general consensus is is, you know, we just don't know, so,

817
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,119
but there have been reports. I took a report a

818
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:02,800
couple of years ago from a guy from south of Tacumsa, Oklahoma,

819
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,199
who his neighbor had taken a picture of a nine

820
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,880
inch dog track, and I was like, well, you know,

821
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:14,920
is there any way you could get that for me?

822
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:16,880
And he was like, well, i'll go ask, I'll go,

823
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,400
I'll see if I could get him to send it

824
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,440
to me. And you know, of course, I'm like on

825
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:24,519
the edge of my seat, you know, a nine inch

826
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,119
canine track, you know, and and he masters me while

827
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,800
he said he doesn't have it anymore, which is usually

828
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:40,760
how things go. I mean, I see that as a tragedy,

829
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,960
you know that somebody would lose a photo or you know,

830
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,960
that kind of evidence. But at the end of the day,

831
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,239
that's the way most people are. Most people take a

832
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,880
picture and they think it's kind of interesting, and those

833
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,519
pictures will just sit on their phone, and you know,

834
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,480
and then they drop their phone in the toilet or

835
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,320
in the lake or something like that, and that's gone

836
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,960
forever and they really don't realize what they got. They

837
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,000
don't know that maybe they should share that with investigators,

838
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,440
and they don't have a clue. They just don't know.

839
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:19,920
And and then by the time you find out, it's

840
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,159
too late, so or maybe we were being snookered the

841
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:27,719
whole time. It's hard to say, yeah, it's possible.

842
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:31,119
Speaker 2: One thing that doesn't help is most of the general

843
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:34,920
public has no idea how big a normal kydid print

844
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,519
can be. They don't realize that they'll see a four

845
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,239
inch print and say, well, that's got to be a

846
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,440
dog me in print because it's so much bigger than

847
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,400
their dog's prints are. But yes, the biggest print that's

848
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,519
ever been found was from at least by on the

849
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,039
wolf side of things, was a print that was five

850
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:56,440
inches wide by six inches long. Unlike dogs, wolves have

851
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:00,760
prints that are elongated. But you have found a nine

852
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,360
inch or that kind of cuts down on the possibilities,

853
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:04,960
doesn't it.

854
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and and there you go again. I

855
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:14,639
mean it's you know, people don't notice, you know, I

856
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:20,519
would argue that your average Joe might actually overlook a

857
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,920
six inch canine print, you know, just think, oh, that's

858
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:30,360
a really big dog, you know, I I don't know.

859
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,280
I mean it, I just don't. To me, it's just

860
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,719
unfathomable that somebody could look at a at a at

861
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:40,440
a print like that and not realize that you're looking

862
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,639
at something extremely special. But you know, a lot of

863
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,719
people they just don't put two and two together, you know,

864
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,679
or maybe they think that somebody is just messing with

865
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:52,599
them or something. I mean, it's it's kind of hard

866
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,320
to say what they're thinking. When when dog Man is

867
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,400
not even on your radar, then how would you know,

868
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,519
you know, you just you just don't. You don't know

869
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:05,519
till it's too late and you get rid of it.

870
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:09,719
But yeah, a five inch dog or canine print is

871
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,480
a very huge wolf. But anything over than that, anything

872
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:19,679
under than that could be domestic too. I run across, uh,

873
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:24,199
you know, four inch dog prints all the time, and

874
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:31,119
sometimes I wonder about them. I found four inch canine

875
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,599
prints that have like you can kind of tell that,

876
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,559
you know, you know, how some of the dog man

877
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,199
prints are going around on the internet. How they have

878
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,880
like elongated foot portion at the back of them, I

879
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,760
don't know. I've often speculated that maybe you know that

880
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,159
part of it only shows up on the dog man

881
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:57,320
when they're walking by pevally. At least, it's kind of

882
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,119
my theory. I think that, you know, it's possible that

883
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:05,400
when they're walking quadrupedaly that it just looks like a

884
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:10,320
regular canine print when they walk. But I could be wrong,

885
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:16,719
and I would absolutely love for anybody to enlighten me

886
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:25,760
with some evidence to the contrary. So anyway I can

887
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:33,679
keep going, I can keep doing. I have a twenty

888
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:42,960
twenty three encounter from an area close to law in Oklahoma.

889
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:49,079
This is I'm trying to remember. I had this guy

890
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:52,480
reached out to me and hit me up on Facebook Messenger,

891
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:56,280
and he was a truck driver and he wanted to

892
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:01,840
remain anonymous like most people. And this guy has basically

893
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,159
was running into him, seeing him in broad daylight out

894
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:08,920
in fields when he was coming and going from this

895
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,360
place of employment. He said he could see him running

896
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,920
across the running across the fields at high rates of speed,

897
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,679
and he was shocked at how fast these things were.

898
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,599
And he said that they were they were black, and

899
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,360
and he said that there was just nothing out there.

900
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:31,480
There was mesquite trees, and you know, and they've got

901
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:35,760
little maces and buttes and and and all kinds of

902
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,599
different stuff, and he he did mention that he was

903
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:43,599
working at a landfill, which I thought was interesting because

904
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:49,199
I've always I've always found the landfills to be a

905
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,280
possible hot spot, you know, because it is a huge

906
01:01:53,360 --> 01:02:00,199
food resource for animals. I've noticed that if you go

907
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:04,880
out and you look around landfills and the surrounding areas,

908
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,119
there's a lot of animal traffic like coyotes and stuff

909
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,880
coming through, and they're usually coming back and forth from

910
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,440
the landfill area. As a matter of fact that I've

911
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,719
had some people give me, you know, sasquatch reports from

912
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:27,159
landfills too, So I think that both sasquatch and dog

913
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:31,920
man could probably get a lot of nutrition from a landfill,

914
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,840
and possibly even as long as there's a clean water source,

915
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,159
they it might not have to actually leave the area.

916
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:41,039
They could probably stay there a year round and just

917
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:43,920
go in in the middle in the middle of the night.

918
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,039
I would love to find somebody that you know, actually

919
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:53,880
worked at a at a landfill that was frequented by

920
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,920
these things, and maybe if they had like security cameras

921
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,360
and stuff. I would be willing to bet you that

922
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,840
we've got video footage of these things on film going

923
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,639
into some of these landfills, but just nobody knows to look.

924
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,079
You know. It's like most security footage. Nobody ever looks

925
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,960
at it unless something comes up missing or stolen or damaged.

926
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:20,559
And unless that happens, nobody's going to look at it.

927
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:24,400
Who's to say how many different bigfoots and even dog

928
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,880
Man that we have on film and we have no

929
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,159
idea that it's there because nobody takes the time to

930
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:34,599
review it. Oh wow. But I did think that this

931
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,360
was kind of unusual. He said that he would see

932
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:43,280
him running quadrupedally and bipedally both, so two different times

933
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:49,079
he saw. It's kind of an interesting story. Now, the

934
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:51,960
next one that I'm going to talk about is the

935
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,239
one of the picture that I sent you, okay, and

936
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,159
because I was curious if you had ever seen that picture,

937
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:03,079
because that I have seen that picture. I've seen it

938
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:10,280
on the internet before, and every time i've seen it,

939
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,599
it has been one of those situations where people don't

940
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:18,000
know where the picture came from. And the story that

941
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:24,039
I got was that sometime after two thousand and three,

942
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:27,079
and I am currently this is one of my case

943
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:31,400
files that I'm currently looking for more information on it's

944
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,599
case file number two eighty eight. It's called Treasure Hunter

945
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:38,840
gets followed by dog Man in the Witchitam Mountains. And

946
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,800
the way I understand it is this guy. And for

947
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,119
those of you that don't know, the Witchita Mountains have

948
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,880
long rumored to have, you know, statues of gold and

949
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,760
stuff from clear back in the day with the Spanish

950
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,440
and stuff. And then there's like there's stories of cowboy

951
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:03,440
loot and hidden over there in the Wichita Mountains. And

952
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,960
you know, if you've ever been out there, you know

953
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:10,679
that you know, you could stash a body somewhere, and

954
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,880
the rocks over there, nobody hauld ever find it. I mean,

955
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,119
it's just it's like a big maze out there. But

956
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:21,559
there's been all these rumors about treasure and everything else,

957
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,159
and so there's people that go out there and they

958
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:26,800
kind of wander around they look for treasure. Well, this

959
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,800
guy was one of them, and he was out there,

960
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:32,559
and he was way in the back, and I'm not

961
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:35,920
exactly sure, but I kind of got the impression that

962
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:41,199
he was well I guess I probably shouldn't say exactly

963
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:46,719
what location he was out, but anyway, he was he

964
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,880
was looking for treasure and he was looking through some

965
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,840
rock formations and stuff for some some caves or some mines,

966
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,840
let's just put it that way. And he suddenly noticed

967
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,360
that something was following him, that there was some kind

968
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,679
of creature in the brush and it was making little

969
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:11,400
noises and it wasn't being very discreet, breaking branches and

970
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,639
stuff like that. Well, this guy didn't know anything about

971
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,480
dog Man. He had no idea, but he had watched

972
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,760
Finding Bigfoot, right, and so he basically had an idea

973
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,719
that you know that you know this this could be

974
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,159
a sasquatch or something. So he gets on the phone

975
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,880
as he's hiking out, and he says, he calls this

976
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,039
guy because he knows this guy that's a bigfoot person.

977
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:44,119
I don't know who this person was. I wish I did,

978
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,159
but he calls this person on the phone and the

979
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:51,199
guy goes, well, yeah, it kind of sounds like bigfoot behavior.

980
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:54,480
He goes, well, why don't you hang up the phone

981
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:59,159
and take a picture, you know, start filming, And so

982
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:02,599
the guys like that's a good idea. So he hangs

983
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:06,719
up the phone with his friend and he basically starts

984
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:11,119
taking pictures of this thing that's behind him. And that

985
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,199
picture that I sent you was the only one that

986
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:18,119
actually showed anything. And as you can see from the picture,

987
01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:26,159
you know, it's got very call prominent anubis looking can

988
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:29,400
nine ears and you can kind of see it's kind

989
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,400
of got sloping shoulders. You know, I don't know, it

990
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:40,119
just oozes anubis to me. I don't know about you. Now.

991
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,679
It's not the best picture. You can't see any eyes

992
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,239
or any face definition, but you can definitely get the

993
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:52,440
opinion that it is something canine from distance. And supposedly

994
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:56,800
this guy got out in his truck and you know,

995
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,559
was driving away, and I guess he sent that picture

996
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,119
to his bigfoot Betty, and his bigfoot Betty was like,

997
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,559
that's that's beyond my pay grade. He said, I think

998
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:11,119
what you got there is a dog man, you know.

999
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,239
And of course, you know, the bigfoot guy didn't know

1000
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,960
what to do with it, and it just kind of

1001
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:21,239
fizzled from there. I would love to talk to this guy.

1002
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:25,279
If you want to see the picture, it's well, I mean,

1003
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,840
you know, if you want to post it in the

1004
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,640
notes or something, you're more than welcome to. But if not,

1005
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,680
you can go to my case files and you can

1006
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,279
find two eighty eight and the photo is actually listed

1007
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:45,000
there on the case file, so.

1008
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 2: Sure to interrupt you there, Brian, But if you can

1009
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,359
send me a link to that to take people directly

1010
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,479
to that case file on your site, then i'll post

1011
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,680
that in the description for tonight's show.

1012
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:58,399
Speaker 1: Okay, well, and I'll warn you that some people, it'll

1013
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,720
just depending on what what kind of device you're using,

1014
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,239
it'll just let you see them all and you don't

1015
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:08,079
have to do anything. Some people actually have to go

1016
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:12,720
in and create an account with It's called Airtable. It's

1017
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:17,199
kind of like it's spreadsheet type thing, kind of like Excel,

1018
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:22,520
but this one's free, and you know, I'm a teacher,

1019
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,079
so it's in my pay range. But yeah, we store

1020
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,439
everything in there, so you might actually have to create

1021
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,119
an account, give them your email address and create a

1022
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,359
password or whatever. It's super easy. But once you do that,

1023
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,760
it'll let you in and stuff. There is a link

1024
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:50,000
to all my case files on my Facebook page under

1025
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,359
the featured section. But yeah, i'll send you I'll try

1026
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:56,199
to send you a link to that so you can

1027
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,039
to that specific case file, so that you know, anybody

1028
01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:05,000
that's specifically curious. It is an interesting photo, although it's

1029
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:07,840
it's like most cryptid photos. It leaves a lot to

1030
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,239
be desired of it.

1031
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:14,279
Speaker 2: It does, but it's a photo. They got a photo

1032
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:14,840
of something.

1033
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't what he wasn't what he thought

1034
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,880
he had, So anyway, that kind of cracks me out,

1035
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,760
But yes, I would love to have more information on that.

1036
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:34,399
So case found number three fifty eight another white dog man.

1037
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,680
I had a young lady reach out to me. Her

1038
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,880
name is Amanda, and when she was young down in

1039
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:50,560
Seminole County, which is kind of south central Oklahoma, back

1040
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:55,119
in the winter of nineteen ninety eight, her and her

1041
01:10:55,239 --> 01:11:04,319
friend and their mothers had a counter and basically the

1042
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:10,880
girls were inside a house and they basically the mother

1043
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:15,319
saw this what she described as a white or a

1044
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:20,319
light gray colored werewolf standing outside their house looking through

1045
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:23,920
the window. And there was multiple people in the house

1046
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,399
that saw it. I think both adult women saw it,

1047
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,680
and the two girls both saw it. And the weirdest

1048
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,840
part about it is is they think it had been

1049
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:40,319
in the area for a while because the two girls

1050
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:43,840
had actually had an encounter wish something that they couldn't

1051
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,760
see earlier that day out in the woods. I guess

1052
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,920
they were out playing in the woods so but anyway,

1053
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,239
that's the case Fye number three point fifty eight, and

1054
01:11:57,239 --> 01:12:00,800
I guess this thing was standing up by and it

1055
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,359
was looking at them, you know, and of course I'm

1056
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,439
sure that there was at that point there was pandemonium

1057
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:12,760
that came out in there. And of course you know,

1058
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,520
that was in nineteen ninety nine, and you know, poor man,

1059
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,680
that she was fifteen years old at the time, but

1060
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:25,800
she remembers it very very well. And I can't help

1061
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,239
but wonder if she did she ever want to go

1062
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:31,199
spend the night with that girl. And I don't know,

1063
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:36,239
but she she was very genuine, very real, kind of

1064
01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:43,000
a country girl, down to earth, very what's the word sincere,

1065
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:48,560
but you know, I would say uncomplicated. You know, she

1066
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,560
just seemed like a normal, good old country girl. And again,

1067
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,880
this is another one of those situations where it's like

1068
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,640
people are like, you know, I need to reach out

1069
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,640
and tell this guy and so he can document this stuff,

1070
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,079
because somebody's got to know about this stuff, you know,

1071
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:10,079
somebody's got to find out somebody or somebody needs to

1072
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:12,319
do something. I don't know that I'm going to be

1073
01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:16,239
able to do anything about this, but maybe eventually if

1074
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:18,960
we get enough case files and we get enough data,

1075
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:22,439
you know, we might be able to do something crazy

1076
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,960
like patternum or or predictum or something like that. I mean,

1077
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:32,359
there's just there's so many, you know, and there's there's

1078
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:37,000
so many that are recently, you know. I remember wasn't

1079
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,520
too terribly long ago. And you know, you put me

1080
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,760
in touch with that that young man that was a

1081
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,920
medical lab assistant who got chased down the highway by

1082
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,960
that dog man in Oklahoma. You remember that.

1083
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,399
Speaker 2: I don't remember that now.

1084
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh it was. It was one of yours. Uh, his

1085
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:02,800
name was Matt. He was from Cushing, and it was

1086
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,119
episode four seventy three. I've got it right here in

1087
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:11,359
my notes. But I actually reached out to you, and

1088
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:15,279
you put me in contact with him because he had

1089
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,960
no interest in being anonymous, and so I spent some

1090
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,119
time talking to him on the phone, and he was

1091
01:14:22,319 --> 01:14:25,840
very sincere. You know. The funny thing was he struck

1092
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,279
me as the type of guy who he'd never had

1093
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:34,359
a clue that dog men were a thing until this

1094
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,319
happened to him, you know. And I was shocked at

1095
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:40,520
how little he knew about dog men. I mean, he

1096
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,920
wasn't well versed in it. He didn't know, but you know,

1097
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,319
some of the things that he was describing really aligned

1098
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:54,960
with what it was, and he was just very I

1099
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,920
don't know, he was curious. He was like, what was that? What?

1100
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,800
You know, he just I don't know, it was very

1101
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,960
He struck me as a very sincere young man, you know,

1102
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,920
and I was impressed with this story, and you know,

1103
01:15:11,279 --> 01:15:14,039
of course it kind of it kind of messed with

1104
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:16,760
my head a little bit because I used to drive

1105
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,479
that same road back when I was going to college.

1106
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,920
So just I mean, it's just there's so many of

1107
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,239
them recently, you know.

1108
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really does bring it close to home when

1109
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:35,199
you find out that here you're driving a road where

1110
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:41,079
an actual encounter happened. It does make the hackles stand up. Brian,

1111
01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:43,359
I'll tell you what, We're an hour and fifteen in,

1112
01:15:44,279 --> 01:15:46,000
so time.

1113
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: It fines.

1114
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,079
Speaker 2: I hate that go. I hate the idea of bringing

1115
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:55,840
this to an end. You're doing such an amazing job.

1116
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,520
Would you be open to coming back because the people

1117
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,319
in the chat they can't get enough of you. I'm

1118
01:16:01,359 --> 01:16:03,199
sure the listeners can't get enough of you.

1119
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously don't know me.

1120
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,079
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just blown away by the job you've been doing.

1121
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:14,960
I really am. I'm behind. If I was to sit down,

1122
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,640
if I had time to sit down all weekend, I

1123
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,119
could probably plug in twenty more case files. Of course,

1124
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:23,520
not all of them are dog Man, you know, but

1125
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,760
there's there's a.

1126
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm just one. I'm just one guy. That's that's trying

1127
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:33,399
to trying to put the information out there. I mean

1128
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:39,880
it's everywhere. It's it's you know, just go to show

1129
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,079
these local Just go to your local uh you know cryptid,

1130
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,640
you know, Facebook pages and just type in go to

1131
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,680
the search bar and type in dog man. I mean

1132
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,840
it'll pull up every time somebody says dog man in

1133
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,600
that Facebook page for the last five years. It blow

1134
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:04,479
your mind. They're everywhere. I literally do not have enough time.

1135
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,520
You know, I wish I had money. I would hire staff.

1136
01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:13,159
I mean it's literally at that point. It's a good thing.

1137
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:14,880
I'm a teacher and I have a lot of debt,

1138
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,920
a lot of time off. So anyway, yeah, I'd be

1139
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,800
more happy to come back. I can tell I've got

1140
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,159
a lot more case I mean, I've got you know,

1141
01:17:25,279 --> 01:17:30,640
seventy eight case files. You know that's that's just dog men.

1142
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:34,319
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, that's a lot. But then again, you've

1143
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:36,920
been doing this for a while and people know about you,

1144
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,560
so no wonder you have seventy eight.

1145
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sad part is I'm always thinking about all

1146
01:17:44,039 --> 01:17:45,760
the ones that I'm not getting are the ones that

1147
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:50,079
I missed, And you know, I think everybody's story needs

1148
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:55,279
to be heard. I mean, we've got some of the

1149
01:17:55,319 --> 01:18:02,520
oldest dog man reports around. There was reports in the

1150
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:08,119
sixteen hundreds by common Cero's that came to western Oklahoma

1151
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,159
and they were reporting seeing what they called lobosomes out there.

1152
01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:16,079
They were writing about them in their journals. You know,

1153
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,720
I don't know, you know how I do?

1154
01:18:22,199 --> 01:18:25,560
Speaker 2: I know all too well. Well, i'd be remiss, Brian

1155
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,560
if I didn't ask you to promote your documentaries, promote

1156
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,760
your YouTube channel, and also to please promote Red Cryptid

1157
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,479
Investigations again before we go, so please take your time.

1158
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,079
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, we have a YouTube channel, and

1159
01:18:42,199 --> 01:18:44,800
the YouTube channel kind of started out as just a

1160
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,720
place for me to document my evidence that I was

1161
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,159
that I was you know, gathering and stuff videos and

1162
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:57,439
stuff like that, and it just kind of started morphing

1163
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,720
into something and people started subscrib in, and you know,

1164
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,920
so now it's kind of like the Adventures of the

1165
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,479
Red Dirt Cryptid investigations. We do interviews and sometimes we

1166
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:15,640
take you along for expeditions. We're currently working on a

1167
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:21,560
documentary and this one is actually a Sasquatch documentary that

1168
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:26,560
we're going to be done filming by the time summer

1169
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,720
rolls around. We've got one more place that we're going

1170
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,359
to go and then we're gonna we're gonna shut it

1171
01:19:33,399 --> 01:19:37,640
down and we're just gonna put that put that documentary out.

1172
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,800
This fall, we're going to start working on a dog

1173
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:47,000
man documentary and we're looking forward to that so we

1174
01:19:47,039 --> 01:19:50,760
can definitely if you guys have any information, you know,

1175
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,680
or dog man evidence or something, we would love to

1176
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,880
take a look at it and you can help us

1177
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,439
out with that because, as you guys know, finding man

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evidence is very very hard. It's easy to stumble on

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bigfoot evidence, but dog man evidence is a lot more elusive,

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you know. But that's us. We're our primary place. I mean,

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we're everywhere. We're on TikTok and Instagram and x and

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stuff like that, but YouTube is still kind of our home.

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So if you need to reach out to me, you

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can always go hit me up on Facebook, Messenger, and

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send me a send me a message, or you can

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hit us up on the email at Red Dirt Cryptids

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at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Well that makes it really easy, Brian. Like I told

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you before several times, you're one of the good ones,

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and of course I wish nothing but the best for you.

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Please remember with that in mind, if I can ever

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help you in the future, let me know I'll be

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there for you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: It goes two ways, it really does. Thanks again so

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much for your time. Like I said, and hope you

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have a great night.

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Speaker 1: You too, have a good bugs.

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Speaker 2: Count on it. Thank you. Well, that's another one in

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the books. Everyone, thanks again so much for tuning in.

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I really do appreciate it. If you've had a dogman

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encounter that you need help dealing with, or if you'd

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like to come on the show and share it with

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everyone listening, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit

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a report. If you do that, then I'll contact you

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and schedule a phone consultation with you. If you've happened

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to have a sasquatch sighting and we'll like to come

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on one of my two Bigfoot podcasts. All you would

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need to do is to go to my Bigfoot sighting

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dot com and submit a guest request, And if you

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do that then I'll be in touch. But having said that,

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thanks again so much everyone for listening in. Have a

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great night. I really appreciate its

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