WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:00.200 You. 2 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:05.879 Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners. 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:10.279 Liking Yeah, I know, the most aggervated noise and in 4 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:11.119 our media. 5 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:19.160 Chuck Shelley, fourth day of March twenty twenty six, allegedly, 6 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:21.559 according to that thing we call a calendar here on 7 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.199 a Wednesday, Wednesday, hump day, middle of the week, whatever 8 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.359 it is you want to call it, I am live 9 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:28.359 at that time. But of course if you're hearing it 10 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:31.879 some other time, I'm lying to you right. No, just 11 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:34.280 this is when we're recording. This is when we're live, 12 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:38.039 and we got a special treat. Why because a little 13 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.560 quicker than usual, Larry Hancock is back with us, And 14 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.159 why because I gotta say something about this, Larry, And 15 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:48.679 I hope you don't mind the little ribbing here. Your 16 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:52.960 timing is impeccable with this stuff. You're either so far 17 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.759 ahead of the curve, okay when it comes to historical 18 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:00.439 events occurring in real time, that people forgot that you 19 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:06.239 got there before they did, or or you exactly summ 20 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.159 things up right before somebody turns around and kicks over 21 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:13.799 the entire dinner table that was set instead of sitting 22 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:18.079 down to have a meal. And it's like, I don't 23 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:20.319 understand it. I try and keep up with you. We're 24 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:24.239 in constant contact. Your analysis is spot on, your you're 25 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.680 up to date and everything. But maybe it's my show. 26 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:28.200 No. 27 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:29.159 Isn't my show? 28 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:29.239 No? 29 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.000 Because you did it with a book too, where it 30 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:32.840 was like I pretty much told you that like two 31 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:37.439 years ago, and here it is that's happened a bunch 32 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:40.840 of times with you where it's either your nostrodamus or 33 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.799 if Larry says it, get ready for it all to 34 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:48.760 go out the window the next day. So I never 35 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:51.680 know how to how to mark that You're You're incredibly 36 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:54.719 interesting with your timing when you and I talk, and 37 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.840 your analysis, like I said, always correct, But timing kills 38 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.280 me with you. It's like either you're so far ahead 39 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:05.400 like I said, that people have forgotten how rightly you 40 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.879 called things, or like I said, it's like once Larry 41 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.879 described something, somebody said, okay, Hancock said it. Let's now 42 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.520 turn the historical page and let's go to the thing. 43 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.560 You know that that really shakes it all up. What 44 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:27.000 are we talking about tonight? Obviously, Iran and you know 45 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.680 the song remains the same to me, but we're gonna 46 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.479 find out what Larry Hancock thinks tonight live on the show, 47 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.919 and I'm gonna let him speak as best the Internet 48 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.840 and everything else will allow, because it needs to be done. 49 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.840 And of course there'll be links into Larry's work, to 50 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.840 Larry's books, to probably some reference articles having to do 51 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.639 with what we're discussing tonight and everything else. And meanwhile, Larry, 52 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:59.199 don't casually discuss World War three tonight, please, Maybe I just, 53 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.199 you know, maybe till the next time we talk, save that, 54 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:05.120 can you? I'm sorry? 55 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.879 I think I think I need to get myself under control. 56 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.560 It's becoming a little depressing. It was bad enough when 57 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.280 I kind of forecast what Putin was going to do 58 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.639 in UK, as you said two years earlier. Maybe I 59 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.800 shouldn't have said that, And now it's like, I think, 60 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.120 maybe I should just stop talking about these things. 61 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:29.439 You know, maybe the latest Pixar movie would be safer. 62 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:34.439 But yeah, I got to get myself under control. 63 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:36.599 It's not good, right. 64 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:40.479 I mean, look, I don't mind somebody who can prognosticate, 65 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:43.919 that's for sure, but I swear it is such a 66 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:47.840 sharp weirdness that it's like Larry already knows everything that's 67 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.319 going to happen, but he decides when to tell you. 68 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:55.240 And the only thing he's got wrong slightly sometimes is 69 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:59.080 he's way ahead of everybody's analysis. That's it. That's the 70 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.919 only thing he tells about the future a little too soon. 71 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:03.039 You know. 72 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.319 It's like telling people in the eighteen hundreds that Donald 73 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:07.280 Trump is going to be president and they don't know 74 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.400 what the hell you're talking about until one hundred and 75 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:15.800 then one hundred and fifty years later, you know. Okay, Sorry, 76 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.240 I had to make that joke though, Larry, because it's 77 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.000 happened several times on this show, where you talk about stuff, 78 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.920 you call it exactly as it's going to go, and 79 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:27.439 then it's almost like they got a script from you 80 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.439 about what to do next. Anyway, Sorry, but oh indeed 81 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.399 we are, you know, talking at the time when the 82 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:40.079 US has bombed Iran and Israel is bombed Iran, and 83 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:45.959 Iran has responded, and the various propaganda chandles have been deployed, 84 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:50.040 including you know, the thing that I pointed out right away. 85 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:55.199 But everybody's like, yeah, yeah, so what the pattern recognition here? 86 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.079 You know, I was a little kid when the hostage 87 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.879 crisis thing happened, when and the Iranians were demanding the 88 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:05.040 return of the Shaw of Iran, and the propaganda in 89 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.040 America was, oh, my goodness, what's going on over there, 90 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.319 And it was almost like they got rid of their 91 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.480 kindly leader and they're crazy over there, so you know, 92 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.600 that's why they took our hostages as well. Don't tell 93 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.879 them about the Savak, Don't tell them about the you know, 94 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:24.439 disappearance of various dissidents. Don't tell them about the fact 95 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.079 that the CIA helped trade them. Don't tell them about 96 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.439 the fact that we have you know, a conducted regime 97 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.920 change in one way or another through our intelligence assets 98 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.600 US meaning you know, America and the British at the 99 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:41.439 very least repeatedly. Don't tell them any of that. Just 100 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:47.720 those people are crazy. And also this is the hornet's nest. 101 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.199 We weren't supposed to kick, you know, for what thirty 102 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:54.480 years I heard this, Like, you know, you don't want 103 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.160 to do Iran. Iraq's different. You don't want to do Iran. 104 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.519 Iran is different. You don't want to do Iran. We 105 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.360 intercede in Syria, we intercede in Iraq. We get involved 106 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.120 with various wars and the other misadventures in the Middle 107 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:09.879 East and almost always, even though they're part of the 108 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:14.040 access of evil. Don't kick the hornets nets that is 109 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:18.480 Iran because we're going to get stun and that changed 110 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:20.920 less than a week ago, Larry, So do you start 111 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:22.519 there or do you want to start somewhere else? 112 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:24.480 Well? 113 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.839 Yeah, I think where I would start is the fact 114 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.120 that we're having a real difficulty in terms of foreign 115 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:37.560 policy calling this a war, and you know clearly it 116 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:41.240 is a war, and the fact that the fellow's in 117 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.560 charge of the House in Congress says, no, it's not 118 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.120 a war, it's a special operation. 119 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.160 Well, special operations. 120 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:52.480 If you want to call Venezuela a special operation, that's okay. 121 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.560 Yeah, you go in, you go out. You have a 122 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:55.879 very specific mission. 123 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.439 Now, maybe other things happen after us, but at least 124 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:00.879 you do what you said you were going to do 125 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:01.959 and you leave. 126 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:04.759 That's a special operation. 127 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:09.560 This when when you start this level of combat and 128 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.720 you say it's going to be weeks, could be months. 129 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.759 We don't know when it's going to end, and essentially 130 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.839 you go after a whole nation. I mean, today we 131 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:26.319 torpedoed an Iranian UH destroyer one thousand miles away. 132 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.000 It's this is this war. 133 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:33.040 So I guess my foundational question that's troubling me is 134 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.279 if we have a case for war, why does the 135 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.839 president not just go to Congress, present the case and 136 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:44.600 let Congress declare it, which, given the vote today on 137 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.040 war powers, I think undoubtedly they would have backed him. 138 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:52.279 So that's one of my fandotional questions, not about Iran, 139 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.720 but about us. You know, why, why can we no 140 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.720 longer you know, take the more high ground and just 141 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:02.600 claire that you know something's going on, we need to 142 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.839 go to war, and we've given that up. 143 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.240 So that's kind of one foundational question. 144 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:12.040 And of course the other foundational question is, as you said, 145 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:17.000 Eisenhower told us not to kick the wast nest in 146 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:21.199 Southeast Asia, and we did that, and we know what happened. 147 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:28.560 Now we've done it again, and clearly we don't have 148 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:32.279 a specific mission, we don't have a specific plan. Clearly 149 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:37.559 Israel does, and we have entangled ourselves in the worst 150 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:42.960 possible way with Israel's agenda because now you have no 151 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.279 agenda from one player and a very specific agenda from 152 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.799 the other, and that means the other agenda is going 153 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.639 to take over the first one, like it or not 154 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.279 because they know exactly what they want to do, and 155 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.440 you'll just be sucked into it, which is what I 156 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.480 see happening. So I guess those are my two starting points, 157 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.399 Chuck is one is just a very simple question is 158 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.480 if if we were at risk, if there was a 159 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:14.279 clear and extreme danger, why not do it the way 160 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:18.360 we're supposed to do it and just declare war and 161 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:19.399 go ahead? 162 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.080 Uh? And the other question is what is our real 163 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.120 what's what's the endgame? What's will? When? Will? What? How 164 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:30.759 do we declare victory? When do we get out? 165 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:32.360 Uh? 166 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.519 Those are the two things that are troubling me at 167 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:34.960 the moment. 168 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.039 Well, right now, Look, I have trouble with your last question, 169 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.840 but the first two are a little easier, okay, And 170 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.480 I will put them to you this way. I think 171 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.240 I do believe these are the answers. Trump doesn't have 172 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:56.080 to therefore he won't. It's really that simple. He figures, 173 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.159 I don't have to do that, so I'm not gonna 174 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:02.120 It doesn't matter if it's legal, illegal, Okay, if it 175 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.840 makes sense, if it is a part of the general 176 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.080 convention of what should occur, what polite society believes, what 177 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.879 the law says. He can do what he wants. So 178 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.639 that's why no declaration of war, even though he would 179 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:21.519 have gotten it. Secondly, I find myself in a very 180 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:25.759 strange place because at this point I want to know 181 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.360 how it is. I wound up agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Green, 182 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.120 who is making statements that sound like things I would say, 183 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.919 I don't know when that happened, Okay, but it happened, 184 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:45.200 and I gotta say this just look. Pattern recognition is 185 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:50.679 very simple sometimes and a guy says I'm going to 186 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:55.080 be the peace president, and in less than two years, 187 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.200 I don't think he's been all that peaceful with his 188 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.159 execution through his Department of War, which he insists on 189 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:08.120 calling it, even though that antiquated name no longer applies 190 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.320 to what is still officially called the Department of Defense. 191 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:17.399 He wants that relabeled, and he wants a peace prize, 192 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.039 you see. And it all comes to an interesting culmination 193 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:25.759 with the communications that are they keep saying unprecedented, you know, 194 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.519 on the different streams and news shows and stuff, but 195 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:34.279 they're lying to everybody about how it's unprecedented. The idea 196 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:37.360 that a president or the commander in chief or even 197 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.600 a general high level would basically say surrender or die. 198 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:47.399 Has happened before, However, it used to take some time 199 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.360 for that sentiment you're going to turn around and join us, 200 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:56.240 or you're going to die. Is not uncommon, it is 201 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.840 not unprecedented, not even in our short American history. Others 202 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:04.639 have done this. However, again, it would have taken a 203 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.759 week or days or something for those words to begin 204 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.200 to resonate in a place as far away as ran 205 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.600 in the time periods where it was done before. Instantaneously, 206 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:21.679 this guy has basically stood out on the street and said, look, 207 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:28.080 I'm out here with your dead security guide. I'm out 208 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.759 here with the owner of the club. You're inside the club. 209 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.679 I have killed him. And if you people want to keep, 210 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.840 you know, rolling, you're gonna do things my way now. 211 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.120 And you're standing on the very street where it's happening. 212 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.080 And that's not usually presidential behavior. But that is a 213 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:49.240 level of behavior I understand. That is the lightweight version 214 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:55.399 of what a street level thug does. And this is 215 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:59.840 who we are now now that I try to remove 216 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:04.639 my sentimentality from all this, but it's impossible because again, okay, 217 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:08.200 I grew up, I was a little kid, and the 218 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:13.240 hostage crisis happened, and the Shaw of Iran was fleeing 219 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.960 from Iran with good reason because they were not going 220 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:22.120 to treat him kindly after they overthrew him themselves. Maybe, 221 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.279 but he was a result of an overthrow previously, because 222 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.600 he was a reinstallation of the monarchy in Iran, if 223 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.919 I understand the history correctly, that was actually headed by 224 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:38.120 his father previously, and after a little while and after 225 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.600 they got through, you know, living through the hell of 226 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.879 the secret police known as the Savakh, which also were 227 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:47.080 trained by our intelligence assets and British intelligence too. Don't 228 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.799 forget their role, you know, in suppressing his own people. 229 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.960 The people threw him out. You end up with, yes, 230 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.919 the dedicated fighters being the people that are swayed by 231 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:04.080 the many types and the ayahtolas, and you have an 232 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:07.679 Islamic republic where indeed they have a constitution, but all 233 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.000 things must be approved by the Islamic Council. As a 234 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.399 result of that, that stands for a while. And now 235 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:21.120 the prince, this prince I don't Riza Reza whatever they 236 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:24.440 call another guy who is again educated in America, just 237 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.720 like the previous Shaw, who is the son of the 238 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.320 guy we used to call the Shaw of Iran is 239 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:35.039 making statements in support of the overthrow mozaedec No that 240 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:41.679 was before the overthrow of the Ayatolin now and seeming like, 241 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:43.440 even though I don't even know if the guy's ever 242 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:47.639 even been to Iran, he is a the prince in exile, 243 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:53.840 and everybody forgets that shaw means king. So it's almost 244 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.039 like they slapped a new label on this. But they're 245 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.840 doing the same thing again, and the pattern if meant 246 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.320 to progress in exactly the same way. I mean, how 247 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:03.879 many turns do we got to take at this with 248 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:09.039 regime change in Iran that is usually stronger than the 249 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.440 other Middle Eastern nations, better organized, better supported by allies. 250 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:18.440 And oh, by the way, that whole farce of Russia 251 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.840 is now you know, they're not going to see spire. 252 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:22.679 They're going to go through a sea spire and part 253 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.159 of Ukraine because they're afraid of nuclear escalations. See how 254 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.799 good They're only afraid of that because they're going to 255 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:32.399 locally wind up shutting down power plants that are gonna 256 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:36.519 melt down if they don't knock it off. So that's 257 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.480 got nothing to do with the Iranian situation. But I've 258 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.240 seen people try to tie it together. It is a 259 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.559 bizarre world where they're pretending like we don't have a 260 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:49.039 history to look at here, Larry, I mean, but this 261 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:50.759 is me trying to look at it and say, do 262 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.519 I see a pattern? Yes? I do? And how many 263 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:55.840 times do you have to walk into the wall before 264 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:00.159 you start looking for another exit, regardless of what the 265 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.720 circumstance was? Why now? I know Israel is why now? 266 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.960 But why now America is really the question? And is 267 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.759 this in America first posture? Of course not? Is this 268 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.639 a good idea? Oh? By the way, wait to see 269 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.639 what it does to your gas prices and the prices 270 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:18.320 of everything else when we're in the middle of an 271 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:23.519 economic crisis. But you know it had to be done, Larry, 272 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:27.159 I mean, am I making a point here? I mean, 273 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.919 I'm so like turned around with the lack of logical 274 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.679 reasoning in the study of history that it's hard for 275 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:39.320 me to even choke these words out of me. So 276 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.399 I'm sorry I went on there for a minute, but 277 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.759 I think you see where my general problem is and 278 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.799 maybe you could help me understand it better. Maybe there's 279 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.440 something I'm missing here, but please help. 280 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.120 Me out there. 281 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:53.840 Two or three points, So let me kind of go 282 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.679 through those backwards. That the first point, I made the 283 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.879 remark that we clearly have no adga okay, And I 284 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:05.440 think that was and it's been kind of glossed over 285 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.240 because the first day the President came out and said, 286 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.240 you know, we're going to do a military action, but 287 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:17.119 we're going to do in a staggered fashion with a 288 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.759 series of off ramps, because this is all about nuclear 289 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:24.799 weapons and it's all about negotiations, and they wouldn't negotiate, 290 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.640 so we're going to apply for us and show them 291 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:30.839 that they should. Okay, at least there's some logic in 292 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.759 that statement, and that's why we're doing it now, because 293 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.519 it's all about nukes. Okay, Sure, it's not about rockets, 294 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.200 it's not about it's about nukes. But in the same 295 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.359 day or by the end of that day, he came 296 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.680 back and said, well, we killed so many of their 297 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:50.319 leaders that there's nobody to negotiate with. 298 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.720 Clearly, there's a problem with that. 299 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:59.920 Clearly whether we kill them all or where the Israelis 300 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.400 kill them all, and that I think that's still a question. 301 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.079 We took out the option of. 302 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.440 A series of off ramps. 303 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:09.640 We took out the option. 304 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.359 Clearly, we didn't have a mission, you know, lined up 305 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.839 tactically to support negotiation, because you don't. 306 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:20.200 You don't kill everybody. 307 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.960 That might negotiate with you and expect, you know, to 308 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:27.200 have that happen. And then within two days the Israelis 309 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.960 had killed everybody else that was in line for succession 310 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:34.440 and trying to pick a successor. So clearly, I think 311 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:39.400 it's from the beginning, whatever the President said, you know, 312 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:45.240 the mission, the goal was not about nukes and negotiations 313 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:50.000 and pressure. It just that doesn't play that if you 314 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.599 say that, But that's not what the reality says. 315 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.799 So the first thing is that we just got to 316 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:02.839 accept that your question is right. Why now, Well, the reason. 317 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:09.599 Was the nuclear you know, the reason given was nuclear negotiations. Now, 318 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.200 as it's a complex situation, so expanding on that, the 319 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.960 logic would be that here's a nation that certainly is 320 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.839 a sponsor of terror, sponsor certainly is especially bad for 321 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.880 you know, the Near East, a sponsor especially bad and 322 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:33.160 neighboring nations, you know, especially threatening in the Gulf and 323 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.279 in the straight of hormones. Lots of bad things that 324 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.799 they've done. Okay, but the one thing that they haven't 325 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:43.839 ever done is to threaten the United States with nuclear 326 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.440 weapons or rockets or anything else. And the rockets that 327 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.440 were busily destroying, now, because that was the next the 328 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:54.839 Secretary of Defense or war whatever came out and said, well, 329 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:56.200 now we're really there. 330 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:57.519 What our mission is. 331 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:02.640 To eliminate their ability to respond outside their borders to 332 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:03.640 project power. 333 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.000 So our real mission has knocked out all the rockets. Okay, 334 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:09.759 well that's none of those could have reached the US. 335 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:13.079 So who who was being threatened by those rockets? 336 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.920 Clearly it was Israel, So that's Israel's mission, not ours. 337 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.440 Backing into this whole thing to answer your question, I 338 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.519 think gets back to why didn't we declare war? And 339 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:28.759 I almost that doesn't trouble me nearly as much about 340 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.359 Iran as it does, because I believe. 341 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:33.319 Your answer was correct. 342 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:35.839 We have reached the point where the President of the 343 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:40.720 United States has decided he doesn't need Congress, he just 344 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:44.880 doesn't need it, and Congress has enabled that. So we 345 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.799 have just at this point in time, we have literally 346 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.079 sunk our constitutional system. 347 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:52.279 That troubles me more than Iran. 348 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.400 I don't like see killing, but I think this is 349 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.359 a tipping point for the United States, where you can 350 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:02.559 get engaged in this kind of military conflict and Congress 351 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:07.319 chooses not even to participate. Congress today could have passed 352 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.119 and they refused to pass the War Powers Act. They could, 353 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.599 as they did in Vietnam, have passed a special Act 354 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.279 enabling him literally saying Okay, we're not just going to 355 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:25.559 downplay you, We're one hundred percent we're going to endorse this. 356 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:26.480 They didn't do that. 357 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.240 They just are not even participating. So back to your 358 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.160 very first point was I agree with you, and I 359 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:38.279 think that's the most dangerous thing going on. Iran's going 360 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:39.440 to get people killed. 361 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:41.640 I am more concerned about. 362 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.559 Our constitution and our nation right at this point in time, 363 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.799 because we're stepping away from our three power checks and 364 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.920 balance system, and that's bad for all parties because that 365 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.359 means you've just you've given up debate, you've given up dialogue, 366 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:58.720 you've given up comprise. 367 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:02.400 So okay, that was so I'm with you on that one. 368 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:07.000 The second point, and I think this is the the 369 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:10.880 other point is talking about the endgame, and as you 370 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:17.200 rightly point out, we have we've gone across the board 371 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.960 on this, even in the past few days At first, 372 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:24.400 uh the president was encouraging revolution in the streets and 373 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:28.720 regime change, backed away from it, encouraged it, again, backed 374 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:29.960 away from it. 375 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.680 Israel is certainly encouraging it. 376 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.119 Although what in the world and Iranian regime would look 377 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:39.279 like that would suit israel Is I can't I can't 378 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:43.279 really fathom at this point. I guess just one that 379 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:47.640 is unarmed, because we see that in Lebanon they really 380 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.920 don't mind a regime, you know, in the territory that 381 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:52.799 doesn't get. 382 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:53.240 In their way. 383 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.680 And I don't I say that objectively. I you know, 384 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:02.480 I have no problems with they're defending themselves. But if 385 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.359 you look at Lebanon and Syria, they're okay as long 386 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.039 as you don't get in their way, right, Okay, So 387 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.880 back back to regime change. 388 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:16.640 We're not only apparently negotiating with. 389 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:22.079 Vlavi, with the former line of succession to the kingship, 390 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:27.680 you know, and we're talking about a whole country that 391 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:32.920 has a large percent of its population dedicated to opposing 392 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.559 his kind of regime. So if you bring him in 393 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.319 and you put his regime in power, you're going to 394 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.799 be in the same place that we were in Afghanistan. 395 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:46.240 We have this tendency to do regime change and then 396 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:47.519 work with expats. 397 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.279 Expatriots have never been in. 398 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.440 Country because they can claim some sort of power base 399 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.200 and then it all goes bad over and over and 400 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:56.720 over again. 401 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:57.319