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A couple of things I 32 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:00.719 want to talk about real quick before we get into 33 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:05.719 tonight's interview. First of all, this show has grown exponentially 34 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:08.199 since it started, and I couldn't be happier with that. 35 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:10.719 And I want to thank everyone out there listening, everyone 36 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.520 who has rated stuff on iTunes or on the website, 37 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.879 everyone who has written me left comments on YouTube videos 38 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:21.919 and so on and so forth, because I really really 39 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.879 appreciate it. I had no idea this show would take 40 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.280 off the way it did. We we're only about two 41 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:32.639 a little over two years in, and it's just fantastic 42 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.840 to see the feedback and the response from everyone. So 43 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:40.879 thank you so much for listening, and I hope to 44 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:45.039 be able to continue this for a very long time. Secondly, 45 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.599 starting next week, I should have an occasional co host, 46 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.879 an anthropology student named Luke Saint Clair. He has been 47 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:56.719 on the show before briefly with Laura Reynolds and the 48 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.479 ghost Hunters of the Finger Lakes. He didn't talk a lot. 49 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.400 He's probably going to talk a lot as a co host, 50 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.680 but he's going to be here to add a little 51 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.800 bit to the show, hopefully on a fairly regular basis. 52 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:11.439 We'll see how that goes, and that will start as 53 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:13.719 again again next week, and that'll be the interview along 54 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:19.840 with Mike Clelland and Aaron Gullius, part three of our 55 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:23.400 discussion on the history of UFOs, trying to strip it 56 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.639 down and look at it in different ways. And I 57 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.800 believe we're starting with nineteen eighty ish time period next week. 58 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:33.719 All right, So for this week, I have Chad and 59 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:39.599 Alter I'm sorry, Chad and Alta Dillard, and they are 60 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.639 a couple of people who have had some very strange experiences. 61 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:47.159 They approach them very open mindedly, which is something I've 62 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.800 found to be very refreshing. They don't try to define 63 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.000 what happened to them as much as just tell the 64 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:59.759 story of what happened to them. So take it as 65 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:07.759 you will. I find their story rather compelling. It's definitely interesting, 66 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.280 and we will be doing this will be part one 67 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:12.000 of two. We will be doing part two in about 68 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.000 a month because there was just too much going on. 69 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.800 This takes care of the of who they are and 70 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:22.199 their first really major experience, and when we come back 71 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:24.560 in a month with part two, they'll get into some 72 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:26.920 of the even stranger stuff that has happened to them since. 73 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:33.240 So that's that. Here's the interview with Chad and Alta Dillard. 74 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.839 All right, so Chad and Alto, welcome to the show. 75 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.439 Thank you, yeah, thanks for having us. 76 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.120 Now you are currently traveling the country. 77 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:49.279 We are. We're traveling literally throughout for the rest of 78 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.319 the year. We started our venture about a. 79 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:56.560 Month ago, okay, and what do you do on weekends? 80 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:02.160 We do We consider ourselves our of a sort. We 81 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:06.720 create a wearable art. That is, I'm originally from a 82 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:13.040 reservation in Arizona of mixed native blood, and we decided 83 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.480 to take a format of part of my regalia. It's 84 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:21.000 a shawl, an honor shawl, and we create them. We're 85 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.519 the only ones in the country doing it outside of 86 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.959 the native world, and we've opened it up to other cultures. 87 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.560 We use the format of a Native American shawl that 88 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.079 we have started creating them in all kinds of fabrics 89 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.680 and design and what have you. And as I said, 90 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.600 we're the only ones doing it, and a lot of 91 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.839 these shows are very happy to have us because we're unusual. 92 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:48.720 We're called unique rabbit shawls, and I think we are 93 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:50.480 really quite unique. 94 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:56.720 All right, okay, And we'll post no rabbits. 95 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:01.079 Used in the making of our work, No critters, ah, Okay. 96 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:03.800 I'll post links for that stuff for people too if 97 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:06.600 they want to check it out. But we're the main 98 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:08.759 reason we have you on is you've had some very 99 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.920 unusual experiences in your lives. When did all this start? 100 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.839 Well, Chad's kind of guiding for me to start it off. 101 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.480 I'm ten years older than Chad, and I preface that 102 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.759 because I'm born in fifty seven, nineteen fifty seven, as 103 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.480 I said, on a reservation in Arizona. It's made of blood, 104 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:34.360 and I have a pretty mysterious past and a lot 105 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.839 of the questions in my past life I can't get 106 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:41.759 answered because I was raised primarily by a mom who 107 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.399 left the reservation area when I was six months old, 108 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:50.839 and she traveled the country, and there were a lot of, 109 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:54.079 as I said, a lot of mystery in my early childhood. 110 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:59.040 One of those mysteries is that I don't have any 111 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.399 childhood memory until I'm about nine or ten. I have 112 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:07.160 no memory prior to that at all. And my first 113 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:11.680 memory is very acute, And as I've said in the past, 114 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:17.360 it's not like I it seems like one day I 115 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:21.920 just woke up at around nine years old. And in 116 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:26.560 that experience, I'm in a military hospital in Aurora, Colorado, 117 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.759 where we lived at the time, my mom and myself 118 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:34.680 and my stepfather. My stepfather was not in the military. 119 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.920 I don't seem to have a military background in the family. 120 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:44.600 That yet I was in a hospital called Fitzsimmons Hospital, 121 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:49.399 and I was being tested for what was commonly called 122 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:55.199 ESP And that's literally my first memory of sitting in 123 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.399 a hospital room with people around me in long white 124 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:04.720 lap coat testing me for as they called it. ESP. 125 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.480 Oh. So, as far as you know, this stuff has 126 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:08.480 been happening to you all. 127 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:14.120 Your life, I suspect it has been my mom. Just 128 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.839 to add to that kind of quickly, my mom, who 129 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.600 passed in nineteen ninety seven. So I don't have her physically, 130 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.560 you know, to speak to any longer to ask any 131 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:30.279 of these questions. But she would say to the few 132 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.679 people that she trusted, and it was very few throughout 133 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.399 my life, that when I was about six months old, 134 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:40.080 So this would have made it somewhere between fifty seven 135 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:44.399 and fifty eight. She claims that she was driving across 136 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.080 the desert, and I don't know what desert she's speaking about, 137 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.519 because I never questioned her. I never challenged anything she said, 138 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.000 nor did the people she ever told this to, So 139 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.759 a lot of this is just an open ended mystery 140 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:00.720 for me. But she would She claimed that while she 141 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.919 was driving, I was the only passenger in the car 142 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:05.960 with her, and as I said, I was six months old. 143 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:10.120 She says that it was daylight, and that a sometimes 144 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.240 she would use the word ufo. Sometimes she would say 145 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:17.759 a small metallic craft, she claims, came down out of 146 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:21.879 the sky and literally stopped her on the highway from driving. 147 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.639 Now that's about as far as she ever got with 148 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.639 that story. I don't ever remember anybody ever asking her. 149 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.080 It was more, you know, their mouths hanging open with 150 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.639 what strangeness she was saying to them, And it was 151 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.679 something I felt very embarrassed about for whatever reason, I 152 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.279 have no idea that I felt extremely embarrassed when she 153 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:49.399 would bring that up. So I never I didn't want 154 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:53.120 to know, and I never questioned her. But apparently it 155 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:54.879 hadn't been going on all my life. 156 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:58.159 Okay, Now, did this intensify when you met Chad? 157 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:05.000 It absolutely did. Absolutely. I don't remember ever having any 158 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:10.200 interest whatsoever in anything in space. I had no other 159 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.279 than the beauty of the stars. I just literally had 160 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:20.480 no interest in any of this, any of this arena whatsoever. 161 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:25.679 I wasn't even interested in science fiction movies. So it 162 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:28.759 wasn't something that I ever, you know, delved into or 163 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:35.159 what have you. And in nineteen ninety, while living in 164 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.240 Little Rock, Arkansas, this is where my mom had relocated 165 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.879 herself and had created quite a life for herself. She'd 166 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:46.480 gone to college there, and so on nineteen ninety, I 167 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.480 was thirty three years old, never married, nor had I 168 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.000 had children, nor did I have any interest in either. 169 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.600 I wasn't interested in marriage nor having children of my own. 170 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.879 But there's no doubt to me whatsoever that un scene force. 171 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.240 I feel this union that I'm in with Chad was 172 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:12.080 arranged by I always say, by them, them is the 173 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:17.200 unseen force, this hidden hand, if you will, seem to 174 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:21.720 bring Dad and I together in nineteen ninety. And so 175 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:27.320 it absolutely began to amp up when I was arranged 176 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:28.799 with Chad in nineteen ninety. 177 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.559 Now how did they arrange it per se. 178 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:38.840 Well, it was Valentine's Day. And you know, without sounding 179 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.240 as if I never want to come across as if 180 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.440 I don't love Chad or care about Chad deeply, because 181 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.039 I do with all my soul and all my being. 182 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:47.120 But. 183 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:55.399 It's as if these beings that appeared in the form 184 00:11:55.480 --> 00:12:00.440 of humans made sure that Chad and I met on 185 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:05.600 Valentine's Day, nineteen ninety. And you know, there's quite a 186 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.679 bit to that story, but I'll preface it with saying 187 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:14.279 that not only am I convinced that these beings that 188 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:18.240 appeared in human form brought Chad and I together, but 189 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:23.639 within twenty four hours of us meeting, we discovered that 190 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:27.840 Chad's grandfather, who had passed on before I came into 191 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:35.200 the picture, he was fairly responsible for raising Chad throughout 192 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.000 his early life, him and his younger brother. So Chad 193 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.279 very close to this man. But he knew this man 194 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:45.159 is George. The world knew him as George or Papa. 195 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.759 And come to find out this grandfather and I share 196 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:53.279 the same identical name as in his first name that's 197 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:58.039 on his tombstone, it's Alta fame as mine, and that's 198 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:02.080 just too bizarre for words for me. And also his 199 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.399 last name is Duncan, and that happens to be my 200 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.639 mom's name. So, as I've said in the past, here 201 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:14.519 I am mixed Indian from a reservation in Arizona with 202 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:19.159 this strange name Alta. I moved to the South, I 203 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.360 meet Chad and we find out that his grandfather and 204 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:28.080 I share this identical name. So it goes beyond coincidence. 205 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.720 I've never been a coincidence kind of person, and it 206 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.080 goes way beyond all of that. And to this day, 207 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.039 we still can't find out. We've never been able to 208 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.759 find out how his grandfather ended up with this name 209 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:48.240 of Alta. You know, there's there's no there's no legacy 210 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.879 there whatsoever. And that's just a that's as much of 211 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:53.759 a mystery as my childhood. 212 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.440 Huh. Now, what about ched? Did Chad have unusual experiences 213 00:13:58.480 --> 00:13:59.360 growing up as well? 214 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:06.200 Well? I had a few. My dad was a farmer 215 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:11.200 in Arkansas back in the you know, for the sixties seventies. 216 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:18.519 I remember one time we had a sweeping field at 217 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.919 the time out the side our house, and I remember 218 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.240 my dad, my uncle, and my grandfather talking about these 219 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:33.120 three burnt circles. They were perfect circles, probably twelve fifteen 220 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.440 feet in diameter, just kind of boom boom boom, right 221 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.320 in a road. And they were right outside between our 222 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:45.240 house and our little shop that they had for the 223 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:51.440 tractors and all, you know, no explanation. You know, nobody 224 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.639 knew where they came from. Nobody saw anything or anything 225 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:01.240 like that. But that was kind of weird. I remember, now, 226 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.799 I wasn't with my dad at the time. I was 227 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:08.039 been you know, most of the school time year with 228 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.600 my mom and then summertimes with my dad after they 229 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:16.799 split up, and I remember my dad telling me that 230 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.840 they'd come home. My dad and my stepmother came home 231 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:24.320 and the whole house was rearranged, you know, the furniture, 232 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.480 the you know, everything in the cabinet. I mean, you know, 233 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.759 the whole house was just incorated. You know. Wow, you 234 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.639 know now, you know, I wasn't around at that time, 235 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:41.279 but yeah, so you know, little things like that, not 236 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:44.799 as dramatic as outset, but you know I did have 237 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:45.159 a few. 238 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.720 Okay, so after you two met, what started happening then? 239 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.080 Well, so this arrangement, as I said, I've always called 240 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:58.279 us an arranged union. In nineteen ninety we'll move us 241 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.840 forward now to nightteen ninety five. Chad and I have 242 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:10.039 relocated to Louisiana, and we were living in a small 243 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:14.039 community just outside of a university town about an hour 244 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:20.960 or so out of New Orleans called Hamon, Louisiana. And one, 245 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:25.919 please keep in mind again, I've never had any interest 246 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.559 in uphos or anything of that nature, Chad saying the 247 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:31.159 same thing. 248 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.399 Yeah, not really any sci fi or you know, we 249 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:40.600 weren't you know, searching for you know, UFOs or anything 250 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:41.000 like that. 251 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.639 And so one evening, one evening and nineteen ninety five, 252 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:51.399 after we had just moved to this area, Chad had 253 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:54.639 asked me out for dinner after work one night, and 254 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:59.200 so we were driving. It was still light out, so 255 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.000 you know, it was before dark. We were just going 256 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.960 to go out and have dinner and drinks and just 257 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.079 a nice evening out. I'll have Chad pick it up 258 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:10.680 from there. What happened to us. 259 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:13.880 Well, we you know, we were driving. I'm driving out 260 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:18.440 to the passenger seat and right around this kind of 261 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:22.720 bend in the road, and this group of trees was 262 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:28.799 the local Walmart shopping center, the super size Walmart shopping center. 263 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.119 And when we get around this group of trees out 264 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:36.480 to I kind of look up in the in the air, 265 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:43.000 in the sky and on the passenger side of the road, 266 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.440 I would say, below cloud level is this huge, huge 267 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.160 crowd and. 268 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:51.960 Like a floating city. 269 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:57.839 Yeah, I mean huge battleship side, you know, mothership side. 270 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:04.319 You know, it was very flat on the bottom, kind 271 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:09.519 of an obelisk shape. You know, it was our rectangle, 272 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.920 but not not as wide in the front as it 273 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:13.759 was in the back. 274 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:16.319 I think he's meaning to say, like more like a 275 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.720 trios police that's something of. 276 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:25.440 That means it's you know, it's totally black, totally real 277 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:30.000 dark sound sound, moving very. 278 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.599 Slow, almost like not moving at all. 279 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.720 Two or three lights in the front, three or four 280 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:40.400 in the back. You know, she looks back at me. 281 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:44.160 I look at her and is this to say? You know, okay, 282 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.480 And you know, without saying a word to each other, 283 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.680 you know, we were like okay, you know, focus back 284 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.160 on the road. You know, if we don't see it, 285 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.319 it won't see us, and you know, we'll just keep 286 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.799 one going. We went on dinner that night. We I 287 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:03.160 don't remember speaking about it, never spoke about it. 288 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:03.480 You know. 289 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.920 The next morning, I do remember either something in the news, 290 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.920 local newspaper or radio or something like that. 291 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.480 So what you're saying is others had seen it and reported. 292 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:22.720 It right during during the experience, you know, I didn't 293 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.359 see anybody running off the road or stopping their cars 294 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.599 or panicking or anything like that. But you know, apparently 295 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:35.880 there was sightings of this, of this craft. 296 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.039 You know, and people have really questioned us over our 297 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:45.799 reaction that there's no book of rules in this we've discovered. 298 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:51.119 And in all honesty, I went into complete shock. That's 299 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.640 the only explanation I have, because my head jerked away 300 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.839 so fast. I mean, I turned my head away from 301 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:02.759 it instantly, and I stared at Chad like baking. Chad 302 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.119 silently to tell me that that was not there, and 303 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.440 we literally, as Chad said, made up our minds. It 304 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:15.200 was a non event. It didn't happen, And yet we 305 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.039 weren't allowed to escape that because others had seen and 306 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.680 reported it, but even after we heard about others seeing it, 307 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.200 we still refused to speak of it. We never even 308 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:26.200 spoke about it. 309 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:30.559 And that's not a totally unusual response to something like 310 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:31.119 that either. 311 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.279 Thank you for saying that, because most people just think 312 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:39.839 that's just the strangest thing of our reaction, and yet 313 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:43.279 you know it was our reaction. It was it was 314 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.279 non even to us. 315 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:48.279 As you said, it wasn't something you were interested in. 316 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.359 I could see it being an odd reaction if you 317 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:54.759 were really interested in UFOs, but that not being a 318 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:57.440 part of your reality. To see something like that to 319 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.920 just kind of try to block it out of your 320 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:02.559 reality is not an unusual reaction whatsoever. 321 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:04.680 Thank you for that. 322 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:08.599 And you know this was before cell phones and you 323 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:14.000 know cameras you know is easily you know, accessible and 324 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:14.400 all that. 325 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.039 Yeah, we had a we had an astral physicist asked 326 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:21.039 us on it during an interview. You know why we 327 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:25.559 didn't get pictures kind of language, rather than hearing us 328 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:28.160 stating the fact that it was as if we were 329 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:30.359 in shock, total shock. 330 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.119 Right right, and in nineteen ninety five too. It's not 331 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.200 like cameras are like they are today, and people don't 332 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:40.359 always understand that. I mean, nowadays everything has a camera 333 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.640 on it, but in nineteen ninety five, we had to 334 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.559 have a camera to you know, be able to take 335 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:46.480 a picture. 336 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.839 That's right, not handy as we were going out just 337 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.400 to have dinner and drinks that night. Nope, that was 338 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.880 the sension, the beginning for us to realize that what 339 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:01.119 I suspected from nineteen ninety started feeling like it was 340 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:04.480 more real than I wanted to admit to. 341 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:08.079 Okay, all right, and this led up to something in 342 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:13.480 the French Quarter in New Orleans, right, So it. 343 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:18.240 Wasn't long after this this event then Chat and I 344 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.039 then moved to the French Quarter, and this would have 345 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:25.359 been now in ninety five, later on in that year. 346 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:31.720 And then it took from ninety five until nineteen ninety seven, 347 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:34.640 as we were living and working in the French Quarter 348 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.079 and doing quite well for ourselves and making a good 349 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:44.119 name for ourselves and just really enjoying life. We'd had 350 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.519 a lot of I refer to all of this, and 351 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:50.039 I always have as high strangeness. I call every bit 352 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.880 of this. I don't use the word aliens or abducted 353 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.680 or any of this language. I've always just referred to 354 00:22:55.720 --> 00:23:02.279 everything there normal as high strangeness. From ninety five until 355 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:09.160 ninety seven, the high strangeness was amping up, really amping up. 356 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:12.200 French Quarter is a bizarre place anyway. I call it 357 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:19.279 a mystical madness living there. It's quite amazing and it 358 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.920 takes a certain caliber person I feel that, you know, 359 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.119 can navigate that kind of environment with voodoo. Who do 360 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:31.559 she do? Don't do? Ghost sees? Right? You know, just 361 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.519 all the things that you hear about, or you read about, 362 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.480 or you see, this was happening to us in those 363 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:46.240 forms lots of ghost experiences, time slips. I had personally 364 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:51.079 what I at least during the experience, there was a 365 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.559 female that presented herself to me that she didn't call 366 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.599 herself the Virgin Mary, nor did I, nor do I 367 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.319 even to this day that it seemed as if I 368 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.039 was having one of those kinds of encounters with a 369 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:09.039 veiled woman. And again, just lots of high strangeness taking 370 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:10.480 place really Ambibout. 371 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:14.920 I think high strangeness is a good way of putting 372 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.119 it because it's not just one type of thing. From 373 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.160 the sounds of it, that was different types of things. 374 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.000 You know, if you were just seeing ghosts. Then it's 375 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:26.799 not necessarily high strangeness. But having a number of different 376 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:31.759 things happened to you, I think qualifies as high strangeness experiences. 377 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:39.079 Right, We've seen, we were, we were involving, you know, 378 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:45.039 in all the various forums these kinds of experiences. It 379 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.960 seems like the absolut titles me. I don't know what 380 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:49.240 else to call any of. 381 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.839 It, right, And I think it's good that you're not 382 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.720 trying to fit it into a to pigeonhole it into 383 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:57.960 a specific dogma. 384 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:02.519 Either, Thank you, Thank you for that. Yeah, I've refused 385 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:06.799 to do that from the beginning. You know, we've had 386 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.920 everyone else suggest to us what it is, but we 387 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.480 don't or I don't in particularly now Chad and I 388 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:18.559 are very different, and I'm grateful for that about our experiences. 389 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.440 But I personally I see the trickster element and all 390 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:27.119 of this, and oftentimes I would just I question everything. 391 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:30.519 Well, that's the best way to be. 392 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:35.240 I think it's been working so far, you know, other 393 00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:37.799 than the folks that are very dogmatic about it being 394 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.880 aliens and abduction and ghosts and you know this and that, 395 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.000 so far, it's worked well for me to not think 396 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.920 in terms of anything other than it's all high strangeness 397 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.119 and as I said, a trickster element. 398 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:57.000 Yeah yeah. 399 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:01.799 Coming home from holidays is never easy. Everyone's tired, the 400 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.559 washing's piling up, and there's never any milk for that 401 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.640