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<v Speaker 1>And no, Max, it's a good person. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>always thought he was a very good person, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to let the families figure that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's accusations, and I'm going to let them figure

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<v Speaker 2>that out.

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump publicly standing by embattled Republican Congressman Max Miller,

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<v Speaker 1>even as his former press secretary launches a new legal

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<v Speaker 1>battle against Miller. So on Monday, Stephanie Grisham's lawyer filed

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<v Speaker 1>for a temporary restraining order against Miller. Now she's suing

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<v Speaker 1>him for breaking the terms of a non disclosure agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>an agreement that stems from twenty twenty one. In a

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post off ed, Grisham had written about abuse allegations

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with an ex boyfriend and miller suitor at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but they settled out of court and agreed not to

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<v Speaker 1>disparage each other publicly. Grisham now claims Miller violated the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>In this interview back in June, with.

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<v Speaker 3>That question, every allegation should be taken seriously. What should

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<v Speaker 3>be noted is that allegation came out on the same

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<v Speaker 3>day as somebody's book launch. And the other part what

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to discuss is my ex wife was

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<v Speaker 3>with me every single day during that time of my

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<v Speaker 3>life and that election, and she, in her own words,

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<v Speaker 3>will tell you that I never did any of those things,

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<v Speaker 3>and she never saw evidence of me ever doing those things,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was nothing more than somebody trying to get notoriety.

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<v Speaker 1>Joining the group. Chat Harry Lee, political correspondent at Spectrum News.

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<v Speaker 1>She conducted that interview with Congressman Miller. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating conversation that you got to have with him before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to the allegations within his family and ex wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about this issue with Stephanie Grisham. Why

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<v Speaker 1>they are all of a sudden back in court.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they're back in court partly because of that interview.

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<v Speaker 4>In their non disclosure agreement back in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 4>it appears this was a confidential agreement, so we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know until she filed this suit, but it appears that

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<v Speaker 4>they agreed to disparage each other, and she's saying that

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<v Speaker 4>in that interview by denying the claims that she made,

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<v Speaker 4>as well as the claims by his now ex wife

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<v Speaker 4>that he broke that agreement. And as you know, yesterday

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<v Speaker 4>she also filed a restraining order.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because he's basically saying there are not multiple allegations, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't want this to sound like it's piling up,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he reached back to this conversation and she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>keep me out of it. Yes, all right, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Moreno family. The Senator Bernie Moreno has

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<v Speaker 1>been obviously like very upset and frustrated. He has called

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<v Speaker 1>for Miller two step down, saying he shouldn't be in

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<v Speaker 1>Congress anymore. Joining him Senator Shelley more Capedo and Roger Marshall.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we going to see any other senators speak up?

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<v Speaker 5>I think Rick Scott might have said something to that effect.

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<v Speaker 1>When does it reach the House, the people who actually work.

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<v Speaker 3>With this guy.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's getting to that point now. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 6>signals coming out of the White House where at least

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<v Speaker 6>Trump is apparently privately saying that he doesn't think Max

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<v Speaker 6>Miller can win reelection. That seems like the beginnings of

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<v Speaker 6>kind of a subtle pressure campaign to convince this person

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<v Speaker 6>to at least step aside from his reelection campaign. And

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<v Speaker 6>there's a very good reason for that, you know, even

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<v Speaker 6>besides from aside from kind of the details of the allegations.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a district that Republicans would worry about losing

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<v Speaker 6>if Max Miller is on the ballot in November. That's

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<v Speaker 6>the same with some of these other congressmen which we're

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<v Speaker 6>talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, we're talking about family. So for instance, Senator Mareno,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, he put out a statement where he says,

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<v Speaker 1>as he admitted privately, Max Miller needs serious psychological help.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a danger to my daughter. I hold my breath

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<v Speaker 1>every minute he has custody of my granddaughter. And then

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<v Speaker 1>also this audio obtained from earlier this year, Emily Mareno

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<v Speaker 1>is telling police about an incident on New Year's Eve

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<v Speaker 1>where she alleged that Miller held a gun to her

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<v Speaker 1>head when she was changing their infant daughter. So just

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<v Speaker 1>give you a moment to listen to this.

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<v Speaker 5>So when does the gun and come into play?

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<v Speaker 6>Let change and what does he do? Holds up me,

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<v Speaker 6>holds it on you?

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, can you show me where he held it to you?

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, that's fine, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I that's a hard thing to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Has he said anything about this incident or others? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I know he released his own drop box of audio

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<v Speaker 1>so he does want people to kind of hear his

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<v Speaker 1>side as he's denying these allegations.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think that's part of the problem, is

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<v Speaker 4>that he keeps releasing more and more information and more

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<v Speaker 4>evidence that can then be used against him. In certain cases.

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<v Speaker 4>He does deny that this incident even happened.

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<v Speaker 1>What does he say about his father in law? Has

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<v Speaker 1>he talked about what's going on publicly?

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<v Speaker 4>So for a long time, he said that they could

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<v Speaker 4>work together. He said that he could walk in chew

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<v Speaker 4>gum at the same time. But after a while he

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<v Speaker 4>was saying that his father in law was helping his daughter,

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<v Speaker 4>enabling her in what he said was lying, and so

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<v Speaker 4>that is when he started taking to social media to

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<v Speaker 4>criticize him. Bernie Marino didn't say anything for a very

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<v Speaker 4>long time. His team consistently said no comment until Sunday,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is when he released that scathing post.

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<v Speaker 8>On x SO.

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<v Speaker 2>Miller's ex wife, As you noted, it is not the

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<v Speaker 2>only woman to accuse him of abuse. Former White House

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<v Speaker 2>pre Secretary Stephanie Grisham, Trump's first term pre secretary, was

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<v Speaker 2>also Miller's ex girlfriend. She detailed an abusive relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>an unnamed White House staffer in her memoir later that

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<v Speaker 2>was identified as Max Miller, also denies these allegations. Stephanie

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<v Speaker 2>Grisham was on the lead in twenty twenty one talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>Take a listen.

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<v Speaker 9>I had an ex that I dated, and there was

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<v Speaker 9>an abuse in every way there, and that's something I

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<v Speaker 9>actually told the President and the first Lady about and

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<v Speaker 9>they did nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>The person you're talking about, you don't name him in

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<v Speaker 2>the book, but his name is Max Miller. He is

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<v Speaker 2>running for Congress. And it's not just that President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Then President Trump didn't do anything about it. Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>now backing this guy for Congress.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm not gonna lie it. It was like a gut

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<v Speaker 9>punch when I saw that he endorsed him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now in response to Grisham's book, then Trump said that

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<v Speaker 2>Grisham shouldn't be taken seriously because she was quote very

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<v Speaker 2>angry and bitter after the breakup. So the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump is standing by a guy accused of some

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<v Speaker 2>horrific behavior, abusive behavior, is not new.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's not new. We've seen a long pattern of

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<v Speaker 5>this with Trump, and Trump often feels that he's the

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<v Speaker 5>victim and subject of false allegations and so forth. But

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<v Speaker 5>I watched that video in one bad communications politically one

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<v Speaker 5>oh one. He looked like somebody on an episode of SVU,

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<v Speaker 5>where you're like, oh, he definitely did it. This is

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<v Speaker 5>not how you want to communicate to your constituents. It's

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<v Speaker 5>why the best thing to do would be to drop

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<v Speaker 5>him now so you can replace him and ultimately as Republicans,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we stood really tall against Graham Plattner on

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<v Speaker 5>all the awful things that that have been alleged about him,

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<v Speaker 5>and he thanked God, yeah, and they got out, Let's

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<v Speaker 5>do the right thing on our side.

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<v Speaker 7>And now at this point, drag me now Democrats. Traggist

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<v Speaker 7>Julie Riginski. She's also the author of the substat column

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<v Speaker 7>Salty Politics. Julie, thank you for being here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>the latest reporting is that Trump told Miller privately that

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<v Speaker 7>his reelection is not going to be easy. But you

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<v Speaker 7>heard his comments today where he called Miller a very

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<v Speaker 7>good person and refused to get involved. What does that

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<v Speaker 7>tell you, Well.

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<v Speaker 8>It tells me that Donald Trump couldn't care less about women.

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<v Speaker 8>We've known that all along. We've certainly known that going

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<v Speaker 8>back to the allegations against him over and over and

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<v Speaker 8>over again. I think in fact, he sees these kinds

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<v Speaker 8>of allegations and automatically gets defensive and disbelieves the women,

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<v Speaker 8>or at least doesn't want to acknowledge that this is

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<v Speaker 8>something that women should come forward and talk about. Look,

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<v Speaker 8>this is not the first time that Max Miller has

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<v Speaker 8>been alleged to be a domestic abuser. Stephanie Grisham, Donald

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<v Speaker 8>Trump's former White House Press secretary, said that publicly said

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<v Speaker 8>that she told both the First Lady and President Trump

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<v Speaker 8>during the first term that Max Miller had done this

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<v Speaker 8>to her, and she said that they didn't really care,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think that's probably one of the reasons that

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<v Speaker 8>she ended up severing her ties to them. Look, how

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<v Speaker 8>many times does the president need to hear from how

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<v Speaker 8>many women that this man is not fit for office

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<v Speaker 8>and that he's an abuser before he starts to take

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<v Speaker 8>these concerns seriously. And while of course this is something

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<v Speaker 8>that's between Emily Marino and her ex husband, it also

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<v Speaker 8>has to do with who's fit or unfit for office.

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<v Speaker 8>And this is not the first time the president has

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<v Speaker 8>heard these kinds of allegations, And she is not the

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<v Speaker 8>first woman from whom he's heard those kinds of allegations.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, Miller denies all the allegations of domestic abuse against

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<v Speaker 7>him from every source. And I want to play you

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<v Speaker 7>one moment from this statement yesterday. It's been drawing a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of criticism.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, only weeks later did the story of February first

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<v Speaker 3>assault a pierce. So ask yourself if I had assaulted her,

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<v Speaker 3>would she had offered to cook meat dinner six days later?

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<v Speaker 7>Look, I was a prosecutor for domestic balance cases, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think it is so insulting to think that people

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<v Speaker 7>could assume the behavior of somebody who is victimized. His

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<v Speaker 7>statement particularly crass from my prosecutorial experience. But how do

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<v Speaker 7>you feel about how he's been addressing the allegations.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean that made my blood boil, probably more than

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<v Speaker 8>anything else. How many times we heard stories about women

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<v Speaker 8>who for whatever reason, can't leave or just in no

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<v Speaker 8>position to leave, particularly if their mothers, particularly if they

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<v Speaker 8>share a child with their alleged abuser. How many times

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<v Speaker 8>have we heard women, for reasons one reason or another,

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<v Speaker 8>stay after being abused, and then something happens, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 8>they don't survive those situations. You know better than anybody

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<v Speaker 8>else as a former prosecutor, exactly what happens in those

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<v Speaker 8>kinds of situations. I've never been in that situation myself,

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<v Speaker 8>but I certainly talked to nuts survivors over the course

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<v Speaker 8>of my nonprofit work to know that this is not

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<v Speaker 8>a typical So even if you take him at his

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<v Speaker 8>word that six days later she offered to cook him dinner,

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<v Speaker 8>which is a very weird turn of phrase to begin with.

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<v Speaker 8>Also a little tradwayfe there that he's putting her in

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<v Speaker 8>that position. Look, you have the Republican senator from the

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<v Speaker 8>state of Ohio, somebody who has zero interest in seeing

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<v Speaker 8>a Democrat win the seat, break his silence after many,

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<v Speaker 8>many many days, for my opinion, waited a little too

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<v Speaker 8>long to do that. Finally, say that he holds his

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<v Speaker 8>breath when his granddaughter is in the presence of her father.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's still not good enough for the President of

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<v Speaker 8>the United States to listen to a senator of his

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<v Speaker 8>own party, somebody who he supported and continues support very

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<v Speaker 8>strongly politically.

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<v Speaker 5>Still this isn't good enough.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, at some point I think, look, I don't

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<v Speaker 8>care if you are a Republican or a Democrat. Democrats

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<v Speaker 8>just went through something similar, although allegations not quite like this,

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<v Speaker 8>but still very bad allegations in Grand Platner in Maine.

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<v Speaker 8>You have to stop and just think. This should not

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<v Speaker 8>be a part is an issue. It doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 8>somebody has a D or an R after their name.

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<v Speaker 8>And I said that about Graham Platner months ago and

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<v Speaker 8>got a lot of trouble, you know, into a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of trouble for members of my own party for saying so.

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<v Speaker 8>But I say this to my Republican friends, My God,

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<v Speaker 8>look in the mirror. Surely, surely there is somebody other

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<v Speaker 8>than Max Miller who can run for the seat while

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<v Speaker 8>there is still time. And surely, even if Max Miller

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<v Speaker 8>decides to stay here, this is not somebody who's fit

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<v Speaker 8>to be in office, even if he agrees with you

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<v Speaker 8>in every political issue you stand for. There are things

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<v Speaker 8>in life more important than politics. The safety of women,

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<v Speaker 8>the safety of children should be chief among them. And

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<v Speaker 8>for some reason, I don't understand why we're in a

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<v Speaker 8>world right now where you have Republicans who just can't

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<v Speaker 8>say that Max Miller needs to go. Starting with the

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<v Speaker 8>President United States