Speaker 1: I kept on coming up with the alien stuff, the
alien stuff, the alien stuff, and I just realized, like, Okay,
here we are, you know, twenty twenty six, in the
middle of a soft disclosure going on right now. And
if in fact we are in the fig Tree generation,
if in fact we are in this moment of time
where things are starting to shake, rattle and roll, then
perhaps that is a more timely book that needs to
be out there, because I do believe that aliens, in
some way, shape or form, are going to play into
the Great Deception in the end times. I do believe
that there is a spiritual aspect to this that is
being played. Why Why are all these green men from
you know, billions of light years away in different galaxies.
Why is one of their main objectives about talking about
Jesus and that he was just a prophet? Why it
makes no sense? You know. So I started going down
that rabbit hole of researching, and man, I came up
with twenty six different and listen, I'm sure there's more
twenty six different ideas of like, okay, what are aliens? Okay?
And this takes everything from you know, interstellar, interdimensional. They've
been here all long time, travelers from the future, the government,
black projects. There's twenty six of these things. I came
up with.
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That would be much much appreciated. Well, guys, man, I
got a great show for you lined up. This is
a guy that I've kind of been following him with
my notepad and seeing what he's been up to. Man,
and he's been killing it. He's got a great show.
If you follow this show, you'll probably follow his show.
I'm talking today with Ryan Pelton from The Ryan Files.
He was good enough to have me on his show
a while back, so I reached out to him and
asked if he'd be willing to come on my show,
and he was like, Yeah, I'm actually working on a
new project, so I'd love to come talk about it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: But I'd like to welcome to the show for the
first time, hopefully the first of me, mister Ryan Pelton
from the Ryan Files. How are you doing, my friend?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Brother? How you doing doing great?
Speaker 3: Man? Well, those that haven't been exposed to you, or
maybe this is the first time at the channel, just
introduce yourself to the listeners. You know who you are,
what you do, tell us a little bit about your show,
just kind of give everybody a feel for who you
are and what you do.
Speaker 1: Brother. Okay, so my name's Ryan Felton, Jack of all trades.
Spent now nearly thirty years in the entertainment business. I
am a computer geek, you might say, at at heart,
kind of shy and introverted. But about thirty years ago,
my mother dared me to enter an Elvis Presley contest.
Had never sang before, not even karaoke. Just kind of
like I said, I'm a computer geek. Computer geeks don't
get out too much, you know. And keep in mind,
this is back when the World Wide Web was first
coming around, so I was in it from the beginning.
But I entered this contest and I ended up winning.
I had to write the lyrics on my hand. I've
got video of me singing on you know, local television
after winning this contest, looking at my hand because I
didn't know the words of the songs. Kind of funny,
but you know, things work out for a reason. Whatever
that was, and it really immediately, just like that, launched
a thirty year career that has opened so many doors.
Been so blessed, been able to be in movie star
in a movie called The Identical with Raleiota playing my
father and Ashley Judd playing my mother, and just so
many other things along the way that, you know, it's
been a fascinating life. I've never really was a big
Elvis fan growing up or anything like that, but it
has certainly been a wild ride that has allowed me
to travel the world through all that. Though growing up,
you know, grew up in a Christian home, wasn't necessarily
fully committed, you might say, for a lot of my life,
and just through kind of some of the stuff that
happened in the twenty teens and then obviously twenty twenty
kind of opened my eyes to a couple of things. Man.
And it's kind of crazy how it all happened. But
I got turned onto a program called Blurry Creatures. The
first episode I listened to was with Timothy Alberino talking
about his book Birthright, and I said, wow, that's really interesting.
And I went through and I read that and just
kind of started taking a deep dive into the Bible.
Genesis six opened my eyes to so many different things
that all of a sudden everything made sense. And whenever
that happens whenever. I think, whenever things start making sense,
that's whenever your life starts changing. So and you know,
long story short, I just felt a calling, had no
idea what I was going to do and what not
to start a podcast. It ended up being The Ryan Files,
and I admitted from day one, man, this is just
a journey podcast. I didn't know where it was going
to go. And I mean early on we have episodes
about golfing and you name it. But it's definitely gone
the direction that I think it was supposed to go.
And today we're out there talking about some of the weird, wild,
wacky things that connect to the Bible. And you know,
truth is scarce these days, and if we can just
shine a light on it, maybe make people think. I
think that's an important thing, especially in this day and
age we live in, which I believe we're in the
fig Tree generation and so you know, getting your armor
up and understanding what's really going on the world matters.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yep, And that's crazy man, my story. You know,
without all the great success in music and film, but
like how you got exposed to blurry creatures and it
kind of just lit a fire underneath you man, that's
what happened with me. But it was with like Trace
and me from God in a nut jell and some
of those other gaps.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I discovered that and I was that kind of lukewarm Christian,
you know, growing up through church, but all the stuff
I heard was really whitewashed.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: So when they started talking about angels breeding with the
human women and making a hybrid race, and aliens and
giants and all this kind of stuff, man, it did it.
It lit a fire under me, man, and I was like,
I have to learn and read about this stuff. And
then next thing, you know, it's like, you know, I
discovered podcasting. I was like, okay, And then I found
blurry creatures. I was like, okay, I can actually search
these guys up and have conversations with them and asked
them my questions. Hell yeah, sign me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's funny. It was just amazing how this
all came about, because again I kind of just opened
myself up and said, Okay, God, I really don't know
what to do here. Just open the doors, you know.
And that's one thing that he's done throughout my life,
even whenever I wasn't necessarily living the way I needed
to or should have. He's always opened these doors and
I've always just went through them. And one of the
things that happened early on was they were throwing this
trip down to Peru, the Blurry Trip down to Peru.
Timothy Alborino was there, and I just said, you know what,
I got to go. And so I went down to Peru,
hung out with the Blurry Creatures guys and Timothy Alberino
for a week and we checked out all the megalithic
sites and whatnot. Had a chance to really sit down
and talk with Nate about podcasting and whatnot. And so
I came back from that trip changed, no doubt about it.
And it made me just the kind of like the
light click in my head and I was like, I'm
supposed to do this. I don't know what or how
to do it, but yeah, I'm supposed to do this.
So it's led to a lot. Obviously, almost two and
a half years in and things are growing, and you know,
I juggled that with seven shows a week, performing on
stage with Legends and concert here in Branson, Missouri, writing
a book. So it's it's been an exciting ride and
I'm excited because I know there's something special whenever you
know you're where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 3: M yeah, amen. And what's crazy is actually I'm a
big book nerd, you know, I love reading. I'm always
working on one or two of them. But there was
a used book story in my area. It was in Knoxville,
so from where I'm at, it's about an hour and
a half away. But they closed it down now, but
it was called the McKay's Used Books, and it was
like a two or three story huge building, wild of
wild books and you could trade in your old ones,
you know what I mean, and kind of do like
a game stop, you know, with the books. And loved that.
But they announced they were closing their doors. But I'd
usually try to go down there three four times a
year and just stock up, you know, on reading material,
and you get good conversation material, good podcasting material from it.
But I stumbled across an esile book the last time
that I went. It was right before they closed, and
it was called I think it's called esau Rising, and
I'm like, dude, that's right up my alley, and I
don't find much esauce stuff. But in there he was
talking about that about you know, how we're commanded to
be a light, you know in the darkness, that bright
shining city on the hill. But he had said that
the word tav, you know, which is you know, a
mark or you know the original like paleo pictograph with
font it was like a cross, but it was just
kind of tilted a little bit. But he said that
that and its original meaning means to be, uh, where
you're supposed to be. It means like, you know, that's
the mark. So being where you're supposed to be, you know,
like everything's falling into place, You're feeling God's purpose for you. Uh,
That's what Tav meant. And I thought that was so cool.
I just read that yesterday and I was like, man,
that would be a cool like T shirt or bumper
stick or you know, I'm Tav, you know, like and
stuff say I'm good, bro, No, I'm taugh. I'm right
where I need to be.
Speaker 1: Right absolutely, And you know, it's so funny. We have
so many distractions, Doc. Life is full of distractions, and
you can find whatever distraction you know, creates that dopamine
in you, you can find it. It could be doom
scrolling on X or it could be you know, having
seven hundred streaming services and watching whatever you want to
on demand. We have it, and those distractions I think
are part of the plan of the enemy. But it's
easy not to be able to focus on the things
that you're supposed to be focusing on, you know. But
when you do, man, you feel it, You feel it
in your gut and it feels right. You feel like
you're in communion with God. And you know, sometimes that
means stepping away from the digital side of things. There's
been nothing more rewarding than actually taking like you did
back in the day in school and writing out and
outline and note cards and stuff like that. When I'm
writing this book. So it's been a fascinating journey all
along the way, and I yearn for that that feeling
because it feels like you're doing something right. You're you're
there's a completeness and it's you know, kind of put
on you by the Holy Spirit that this is like wow, okay,
this is cool.
Speaker 3: And it makes me scared because I'm always that some
people call me negative Nancy or whatever. I'm like, no,
I'm Reggie the realist. Okay, uh, I'm and I'm Murphy's Live.
There's something bad gonna happen. Man, It's gonna find me.
I'm just I'm like that. So now uh I found
myself that I'm now tav You know, I had this
realization moment about a week ago maybe uh you know,
me and my girlfriend, you know, through work, made like
a little business vaca out of it. So we went
west and done some podcast recordings and done some hiking
and stuff, and I'm like, man, this is a beautiful place. Uh.
I just thought that I was living before. I wasn't living, man,
I was just you know, surviving. But now I'm you know, thry.
And then it kind of hit me and I was like,
oh God, please do I have like a heart disease
or cancer or something. You're letting me you have all
these things that I just love to do and getting
to live out my best life because I only got
a few months to live. Please God know that's my
dark humor.
Speaker 1: Let's have some positivity here.
Speaker 3: Let's go Yes, Yes, I need that.
Speaker 1: I need that.
Speaker 3: Well man, you had mentioned it, and I definitely want
to bring you on because that's the whole reason we're
here today is to talk about this new project that
you're working on. You'd briefly mentioned it that you had
found yourself, you know, writing notes and making some plans
and outlines for this book. Have you come up with
a working title yet? What is the name of this book?
What are we What roads are you going to take
us on for this adventure?
Speaker 1: Ryan boy? This has been a This is the typical
kind of journey that if you were to watch it
from the outside looking in, you'd be like, this dude
has no idea what he's doing. And you know what,
I love it. I love not having all the answers.
You know, life is boring if you know all the
answers to the questions. So this kind of started out
fascinated with history, fascinated with UFOs all my life, fascinated
with so many things. I remember. I remember sitting in church,
you know, as a kid, Pennsylvania Lance Free Church, you know,
and you're like ten years old, and you're getting one
of these sermons about revelation, you know, and the end
times and the mark of the Beast and everything else.
And you go home at night and you go to
bed and you're like, oh my god, he's coming back tonight,
and you're having nightmares and you're scared and all this stuff.
But I remember one night, and I mean I was
probably ten years old, having this thought in my head,
what if what if aliens were part of this in
times stuff? You know, I mean ten years old, And
of course you know when I'm fifty threes or fifty
three years old. So if you think that forty three
years ago, you can't just go around willy nilly talking
about aliens. Just it's not the thing to do. So
I kind of kept that to myself. But over the years,
just through curiosity, I guess you could say, read more
and more about it. Obviously, was a huge Star Trek
fan anything science fiction had anything to do with the aliens.
Was a fan of that stuff. But you know the
bottom line is that moment at ten years old kind
of just grew throughout my life and here we here
I am, you know, fifty three. I set out to
write a book about, you know, at a cult involvement
in the government after World War Two. That was what
I originally wanted to write a book about because it's fascinating.
There's so much wild information out there about that. But
in doing that and then researching it and whatnot, I
kept on coming up with the alien stuff, the alien stuff,
the alien stuff, and I just realized, like, okay, here
we are, you know, twenty twenty six, in the middle
of a soft disclosure going on right now. And if
in fact we are in the fig Tree generation, if
in fact we are in this moment of time where
things are starting to shake, rattle and roll, then perhaps
that is a more timely book that needs to be
out there, because I do believe that aliens, in some way,
shape or form, are going to play into the Great
Deception in the end times. I do believe that there
is a spiritual aspect to this that is being played.
Why Why are all these green men from you know,
billions of light years away in different galaxies. Why is
one of their main objective about talking about Jesus and
that he was just a prophet. Why it makes no sense,
you know. So I started going down that rabbit hole
of researching, and man, I came up with twenty six
different and listen, I'm sure there's more twenty six different
ideas of like okay, what are aliens? Okay? And this
takes everything from you know, interstellar, interdimensional. They've been here
all long time travelers from the future, the government black projects.
There are twenty six of these things I came up with,
and this is only for part one of the book,
and I'll explain exactly what I'm talking about. So you
have these twenty six categories of what aliens could possibly be,
and then I put together a twelve point test and
I'll just read them off real quick. I'm not going
to bore you with them. But the origin test, you know, like,
where do they originally come from? The body test? Are
these beings physical, logical, spiritual, synthetic, hybrids, avatars, containers? The
craft test? What are the craft? Who built them, how
they operate? The abduction test, which is very important, how
does the theory explain the contact these abductees, missing time, paralysis,
repeated encounters not just through families but bloodlines. The messaging test,
what do they say and what worldview are they pushing?
Very important? The motive test, what do they want? You know,
what do they want from humanity? The historical test does
the theology or I'm sorry, does the theory explain ancient
God's angels, demons, phae jin modern aliens is a continuous pattern?
Number eight? The deception test does the theory explain the contradictions,
trickster behavior, false predictions, screen memories. The genetics test does
it explain hybridization, reproductive themes, bloodlines, containers? The evidence test
what physical, testimonial, governmental, spiritual, historical evidence should exist? The
theology tests how does it handle genesis, Christ, angels, demons,
creation and the image of God? And finally the disclosure test.
Why would governments hide it? Why are they releasing it slowly?
Why have they ridiculed it in the past, and why
have they weaponized the narrative? So taking those and I
mean it really sounds technical. It's not so technical whenever
you break it down. And my goal was to make
this readable, make it fun even though we're talking about
you know, like I said, I'm a nerd. I would
happily sit down and write the nerdiest book about this,
and it's all facts and whatnot. But along the way
I realized, you know what, I have an interesting life
and a lot of experiences, and so I throw a
lot of that in there as well. I don't want
it to be preachy. I don't want it to come
off as I know everything, because guess what, I don't.
And it's kind of a journey. It's kind of my
journey figuring it all out what I what I believe
in this book. So that's basically the premise of the
first half of the book, kind of just of you know,
nailing down, okay, what is everything? And then the second
half we take it into a more focused examination of
it's probably not this, it's probably not this, it's probably
not this, but it certainly leans towards this, this, and this.
And if it leans towards this, this, and this, what
does that mean for humanity? For you as a human being,
your life, the value of your life, the value of
your soul. So some of these things, you know, we
get into. But you know, Doc, I got to be
honest with you, the book is not written for Christians.
I mentioned, you know, I think that there's there's going
to be it seems a problem with the Church when
it comes to this, because a lot of people just
haven't been taught that there's a framework in the Church
that allows for this. There's a framework in the Bible
that allows for aliens if you will, and I'm not
saying aliens from another planet and all that stuff, but
there's a framework if you believe in the Bible if
you understand Genesis six, if you understand things that have
happened in the Bible, there's definitely a framework there that
has not been taught by the Church. And so I
wanted it to be able to reach out to Christians
who believe in aliens but maybe want to understand it better.
But for Christians who don't believe in aliens and maybe
need some understanding that, hey, this fits Moreover, why in
the world would you write a book about this stuff
and not want to reach out to people who are
not Christians. Reach out to an atheist, agnostic, you know,
a guy who's just a scientist and sees things through
that lens. So I deal a lot with the lenses
through which people see life and try to not ostracize
one or the other, try to be open because I
have a very scientific mind myself, and many years of
me researching this has been just through a scientific lens.
But when you bring in the theological lens into it, man,
there's so much stuff that just clicks and makes sense.
So it's an honest discussion. I'm sure that there's going
to be haters, because always I'm throwing out I'm throwing
out twenty six ideas of which many people will only
believe these ones, and many people will only believe these ones,
and then immediately you have a debate. But I'm trying
not to make it that. I'm trying to make it like, Okay,
let's just logically talk it through this and this is
the way I see it. Tell me what you think.
So I'm really excited about the project. And just if
nothing else, challenge yourself to look at something through a
different lens, maybe an understand it. There's a framework out
there in the Bible that can handle all of this
no problem.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and like I had this clip. Actually I
will pull this up because I want you to see it.
I want to get your reaction from it too. What
do I do with it?
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 3: Behind this window. It's always behind something hide and it's
like where is this thing?
Speaker 1: If you're like me, you put stuff, You hide stuff
in certain places so you'll remember where you put it. Yeah,
and obviously you end up forgetting where you hit it.
And yeah, it's funny. I do that with money. Oh yeah,
I carry a lot of cash. I don't carry a
lot of cash, but when I have cash, i'd like
put it someplace to hide. It and years later I'll
you know, open a door and or open a book
or something and it'll be like five hundred dollars in there.
So I don't know what that weird.
Speaker 3: Well, look, while I'm searching for this, let me ask
you this. Pick your brain. You said you found twenty
six different ones, so it's different. You know how people's
going with the four there's the four races, you know,
But one thing that stood out to me was that
number twenty six.
Speaker 1: That is the.
Speaker 3: Jematria value of the name of God. So numerically God's
number is twenty six, So I thought that was pretty cool.
And just looking through them, which one was I'm sure
there were some that you had never heard before to
kind of done this research. What are some of the
races that you had found that are just like totally
different from the mainstream narrative that you don't think the
folks at home have heard about or you know, are seen.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much man and there's so much science
behind it too. To explain some of this stuff. You know,
we can talk about extraterrestrials from other planets. Okay, great,
And that's kind of like the thing that has been
ingrained in people through pop culture and movies and whatnot.
You know, aliens are from other planets and they're just
an advanced race of you know, humanoid looking like beingst
bipedal and so on and so forth, just because that
might just be the natural selection lends itself to beings
having two arms and two legs whatever. But you know,
there's there's some logic that goes into ideas like maybe
extraterrestrial but not maybe more like AI machines, like a
von Neumann probe. It's basically, you know, a probe with
a three D printer on it that can travel through
the universe and get resources and make new you know,
new probes to send out. That's you know, there's there's
ideas like that, but you know, you get into interdimensional beings,
no doubt about it, spiritual beings, fallen angels, stuff like that.
You know, And I separate this out too, because it's
very important to separated out. You hear JD. Van saying,
I've leave aliens or demons. Well, a demon is a
different thing than a fallen angel, so we we definitely
uh break that category down. You know, we talk about
the Watchers in Genesis six We talk about an advanced
Earth civilization coming back in time, breakaway civilizations who have
a more technology, time travelers, altraterrestrials, crypto terrestrials, you know,
things that are from withinside the Earth, biological avatars or containers,
government black projects, psychological operation by the government, natural phenomenon.
We talk about, you know, uh, human hybrid alien theories.
We talk about the gods re branded. We talk about
holograms and the gen and remember the elves and the
trolls and all that stuff from medieval literature, the fairy folk,
foreign adversaries, biological experiments, simulation entities. So there's there's a
lot that goes into it. But I think at the
end of the day, you're going to come up with
like a category mixed bag, if you will, where there's
a little bit of truth from two or three or
four of these mean categories that come into play, and
what does that look like. Well that's the second half
of the book. Nice Okay. I found it.
Speaker 3: I had to pull it up on my YouTube channel.
I was trying to find the raw video. But Timothy Alberino,
while I was out west, did a talk with lou
Arizondo and I got some footage of that, and there
was one part where there was a woman there that
had been drinking and she even said, you know, I'm
a Christian. She said, No, I'm not some holy roly
she said, I mean, I'm I've had some drinks tonight,
you know, she said. But and she combated him come
at am with with some hard stuff and kind of
you know, hickled him a little bit. But uh, I
know Timothy is a mutual friend of ours. And you
had mentioned that comment that the Christians that are not
prepared for this, it's because they've just not been taught,
you know, because our Bible has a great framework for it.
And I think Timothy is, in my opinion, that the
best person framing that in a biblical lens. But I
wanted to show you this clip to kind of get
your reaction.
Speaker 1: Uh, Mom, really is the reality?
Speaker 8: The UFO reality does no violence to my favorite.
Speaker 9: But you're a Christian man and your purpose as a
Christian man that has spread the good news of.
Speaker 1: The Gospel and.
Speaker 4: Talking to a let's let's.
Speaker 10: Talk about the.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm just daking.
Speaker 10: Let me see if I can, if I can interject
her for a second.
Speaker 1: So I understand your respect.
Speaker 5: Hello, everybody their mom really is.
Speaker 1: Your name? My name is Chrissa, Chrissa, thank you for calling.
This is really.
Speaker 9: Scared me up here.
Speaker 1: My goodness, I heard.
Speaker 9: But my question is just basically, as a follow of Christ,
I'm not a perfect person.
Speaker 1: I need lots of us Master tonight.
Speaker 9: So not it's not a simplest person, but I just
want to ask. It's just Jesus wasn't mentioned one time
in all of this mystery.
Speaker 2: Of the universe that he was several times Jesus.
Speaker 7: So there's nothing we have to you have to it's
direct questions.
Speaker 1: Is something specific?
Speaker 7: Example, if you're asking, can you formulate a biblical paradigm
in which extraterrestrials can be comfortably accommodated, then the answers
is it's quite easy.
Speaker 9: God is everything, so there's no comfortable accommodation when God
is involved.
Speaker 8: Well, as I was saying before, in the Biblical narrative
introduces Us unapologetically to eraseivies who pre exists us, who
are non human and who are not from the unit.
Speaker 7: So that's those are extraterrestrials. Now you can say that
they are by definition, Yeah, you can say they're in
an dimensional or they're spiritual or whatever.
Speaker 8: But it's just semantics at that point because it's it's
the indisputable fact is that they're not from Europe.
Speaker 3: It exists, and you kind of know his framework. So
I'll skip past. But there's a couple of times you know,
she was talking over and as you see in the
first of it, but lou believe it or not, said
something that I thought was profound.
Speaker 1: Honestly, uh.
Speaker 10: Stake alive until he recanted. Burned Galileo centric model had
said that the sun with alt.
Speaker 1: Around Earth right because he and the almost.
Speaker 10: Burnt Galileo at the stake alive until he recanted.
Speaker 1: The bottom line is he was right. Now.
Speaker 10: The reality is Galileo never challenged God. What he challenged
was mankind's notion at the time of God. It was
man who goes wrong, not God right. And it was
our correct understanding at the time that was inaccurate. It
is it is the ego of human kind that we
are the ultimate in God's Christ. You knows considered herotical
at one point to put limitations.
Speaker 1: On the dominion of the idea of God.
Speaker 10: It was theretical meaning God there is a God has
the ability of power to do whatever God wants as
a matter of what we want matters what He decides.
Speaker 1: Right, And so.
Speaker 10: I think, just like here are there's animals that we're
discovering all the time, an insects, bugs, fish, whatever. That
doesn't go against religion, right?
Speaker 1: Well, what if it turns out we find animals on
the moon? Does that go against God? Might go against
our cart understanding of religion?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 7: So anyways, understood.
Speaker 1: Very good question.
Speaker 3: Anyways understood Jesus, because we didn't really go to the moon,
did we. But that unfolded in front of me that
week in there and when you had mentioned the framework
being biblical but most Christians are not aware to it,
that popped in my head. I wanted to let you
see that and pick your brain, get your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. Lou Alessando and and Timothy So Lou
Alexondo kind of came into my mind early on, early
on in the disclosure stuff where you know, the tic
tac and stuff videos. He was, you know, part of
getting that out. And I saw an interview with him.
I forget even where, but he was talking about, you know,
a very high senior official in the Pentagon coming up
to him and saying, Lou, you know, we we got
to not be messing with this stuff. And he's like,
well why because because they're they're they're they're evil, they're
not good. He goes, well, what do you mean, sir,
h And Lou Alessandro is calling this guy sir, and
he's like, they're they're they're evil, They're they're demons following angels.
And the guy is telling Lou Alizondo that and he
comes out and admits that. But then you see, like
the film that the documentary film where he was in
it and he was the first thing out of the gate.
He's like, well, people want to say this stuff's interdimensional
and whatnot, and you know, and he kind of downplays it.
And then I went and saw him talk a couple
of years ago live Man. I was raising my hands
so bad because I wanted to ask the question. And
he literally said during this presentation that people are just
asking the wrong questions. I would love to tell you
what I know, but I can't because you're not asking
the right questions. And I was going to ask a
question about the dimensional stuff, be it spiritual dimensional aliens,
fallen angels, demons, whatever. Didn't get a chance to ask
the question. But it is funny because he has skirted
around this issue time and time again. How ironic is
it that just went and saw this? I know you
did as Welly, How ironic is it that you know
in this in this film about disclosure of aliens that
one of the main themes in the film is about
God and how we can allow for aliens to be real.
But also it's okay because God allows for two because
and they kind of danced around it, they kind of
it was kind of tricky what they did with the
verse from Genesis three. You know, God gave me a
dominion on Earth. You know, that's what the sister says,
sister superior or whatever on Earth, leaving the door open
to mean that there are superior beings elsewhere in the universe,
which I always thought is funny. One of the things
I came I've come to believe very strongly is that
in John one three he states all things were made
through him, and without him nothing was made that was
that has been made. So we're not talking about Earth,
we're talking about everything. Nothing that was made was made
by him, And so you really have to wrap your
head around that to understand. Okay, if aliens are coming
from other planets or whatnot, they're not a separate part.
And I think that's where Christianity kind of gets sideways
because they're like, oh my gosh, they automatically assume that
these are supreme beings on the level of God. But
John one three clearly states that there's nothing out there
that was made that He didn't make. Anything that could
be made he made. So if he if he made
these aliens, okay, fine, there's still subject to him as
a creator. And moreover, if we are talking about you know,
aliens being you know, fallen angels or or you know,
spirits of the dead, Nephelene demons, guess what God made them? Too? Know,
he didn't. He didn't necessarily make nepheline, so to speak,
but he made the ingredients. And so here we are questioning,
you know, whether or not aliens have a right to
be uh to come in and and straighten us out
on our theology. When you don't, you're not wrapping your
head around the fact that, no, they're still subordinate to
God the creator. And so it is fascinating and what
she said is absolutely truth and in a drunken sort
of you know, Karen sort of way. But at some
point we do have to, uh, we do have to
circle it always back to the Gospel, because that's that's
really what this is all about. However, if you can
get someone to start thinking about the Gospel by challenging
paradigms based upon something that's going to be in your
face a ka the whole alien thing, and I think
it's a it's a good conversation to have.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I agree. Uh. And one of
the things too, like with Tim how he talked about
in his book Birthright, the the Elder Brother, you know that,
and how Job says, you know, they were clearly but
here before us they saw creation, and how it's always
a physicality to these beings. You know, they eat, they drink,
they sleep, you know, and always they're the close enough
to us that they can reproduce.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: That it aligns a lot with what people are calling
the Nordic race. So could it be that you know,
these fallen beings are coming back again, like Solomon says,
nothing new under the Sun's Genesis six all over again.
But with this now, this new age, you know gnostic
understanding of you know, no, they're the saviers, They're the
ones going to be coming and saving us from then
sectasoids and all those kind of they live creatures that
walk among us apparently.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of remarkable. Again, it's isn't it
fascinating how this conversation about aliens always leads to something theological.
And I mean I think there's a natural progression there, Okay,
because if you're if your mind can wrap itself around
the fact that there's other intelligent life forms out there,
then the next obvious questions are like, well, where did
we come from? You know what, what's life about? What's
the purpose? And if there's higher beings other places, then
you know, are we subject to them? And people will
happily go down that road, but they will not take
the moment to say, wait, God, is you know the
exact same thing that you're talking about, But you're not
going to take that serious or feel like you may
may have a responsibility to be subject to that. So
it's a fascinating thing. Why this comes up again and
again and again in the Alien Lord. Why is it
that you can call on the name of Jesus during
an abduction and they'll flee. Why is that? What do
aliens care about Jesus Christ? If they are separate in
a part and not under the thumb the rule of God?
What is that? So these are all questions that are
very important to talk about because once you do, I mean,
it gets dirty real quick, you know. And ultimately, at
the end of it, there is the answer, and the
answer is salvation because when you realize that everything that
was ever made is subject to God, including the angels,
the fallen angels, everything, And if you just read your Bible,
you'll understand that's exactly what the story is telling and
why it comes to fruition in revelation. And as you
step back and you look at where we're at today,
guess what we're in it. So I just I think
it's a positive message. I think it's something positive to
talk about because in the end, the Gospel is there.
So that particular lady, I understand exactly what she's saying,
but she's also kind of talking out about both sides
of her mouth a little bit, and in a very
Karen sort of way. But it is ultimately about the Gospel.
So and I feel like this is an opportunity, if
nothing else, to talk to people about this stuff on
this level, whereas might not have been able to do
it before. I mean, I can talk to a lot
of friends that I've had over the years that are
not Christians, but we can talk about Aliens.
Speaker 3: So I was going to say, this is the most
ripe and fertal soil for the Gospel of Christ, and
I'll get in. I want to get into that with
you in just a moment, Ryan, but I'm want to
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Speaker 3: And that's something too that I was talking with some
buddies and stuff even about that, you know, not just
that particular video clip, but just in general. I see
it in the comment sections of the videos on YouTube.
I mean, you see it everywhere. But you have some
people that I think are well meaning, but they kind
of come off as Karen's you know, or Terry sometimes,
you know, beating the Bible over people's heads and kind
of coming over the top of them, you know, instead
of you know, coming underneath or even like with me,
I get a lot of shit sometimes for talking to
people that are not Christians. They're not gnsty, you know,
they're gnostics or this or that and the other. But
I'm like, we got to have that dialogue and have
that friendship and develop that relationship so we can sew
seeds if we truly are Christians and care about, you know,
the souls of other people. But yes, this is something
that you could easily come in as a casual conversation
and show them the Gospel of Christ.
Speaker 1: Right and you know, our our commission isn't to you know,
hold people at gunpoint and say, accept the Lord Jesus
Christ as your savior or else. You know, our job
is just to spread the word. Plant a seed. We
don't save people, you know, we don't save people. We
can talk about it, we can spread the good news.
We can, you know, plant the seeds, like I said,
But we are not the one saving people. You know,
only Jesus is saving people. The Holy Spirit is working,
you know. And uh, I mean think about that gift
that we have and all you got to do is
accept it now. But like I said, you can't. You
can't hold a gun to people's head and say, you know,
repent and be saved. That's not the way it works.
And so you know, we're told to be loving, to
do this out of love. What greater love is there
than like telling people, hey, I got I got the
magic ticket, you know, and I want you to have
it too, and you can it's free. And so how
do you how do you do that? Well? I think
you just reach people where they're at. And this is
a place where, at least in my world, and you know,
in my sphere, the Ryan Files sphere, if you will. Yeah,
that's where people are and that's what we can talk about.
And that's where you can make the connection and and
if people are open to it and hear the message,
then guess what, some good's going to come out of it.
And if they're not, maybe maybe it's just the first
of many seeds that needs planted. Or maybe maybe they
hear it and it doesn't affect them until you know,
six months down the road. Who knows. But I have
no power to have control over that. I'll leave that
to the higher ups, you know, the Holy Spirit. Okay,
you can handle that, But as far as me, my
job is just to plant the seeds and do it
out of love and actual genuine concern. And I do
man the people who tune into the Ryan Files, and
certainly I know you feel the same with Prometheus Lens.
It's there's a large part of this that comes out
of just love and caring for people and wanting them
to have a place to talk about this stuff, you know.
And so I think it's important what we're doing, even
though sometimes the Gospel isn't always the first thing. I
heard a gentleman talking a while back about he changed
his mind about his podcast and said, every time I
am on a podcast, I want to, in some way,
shape or form touch on the fact of the Gospel.
The redemption. And I thought about that in my own
case because I have a lot of non Christians on
scientists and you know, people from mof On and all
these different places that they're they're not coming at things
from a biblical worldview. And man, you know, Jesus died
for them too and for all the people that are
listening to them. So I like to engage in those conversations,
and I don't. The one big thing is, you know,
the modern day thing is you got to have a debate.
You always got a debate. You got to and if
someone says up out, if you don't nail them to
the wall in that moment, then you are just a
terrible No. I don't believe that. I do believe that
there's a time and place, but I also believe that
you can let people talk so that people can understand, Okay,
this is what the other side is thinking, all right.
And I have I've I've really enjoyed learning from the
non Christians who have come on and understanding Okay, this
is where they're coming from. So if this is where
they're coming from, well let's talk about this. Because with
without arguing with you, with out making it a debate.
Let's talk about this because that's where your your ideas
are kind of like flawed, and so it's it's just
been a very interesting ride getting to know people. And
once I kind of made that flip in my head
about this is what the Ryan Files is going to
be about. Man, I think the Lord is blessed it.
So I'm just thankful.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, yeah, that's the thing that I recently
had a new age person on and I even done
it on purpose because I had a good friend of
mine who's a Christian, talked about the divine feminine from
a Christian perspective, and then I told them, I'm like, guys,
if you're easily triggered, don't tune in. Next week, I'm
talking to someone about the same subject of divine feminine,
but they are gnostic. So I want to hear things
from her perspective, her point of view, because her group
of people are the ones that are, you know, bowing
to this thing, and that's what their world is about.
So I want to hear it from their point of view.
And I did, and I was respectful. I set back,
let her talk. I heard things from her point of view.
I mean, I asked some questions, you know me, without
being a jerk or priding or beating her over the
head with anything. I just had a really great conversation,
and like you said, I seen where she was at,
I seen where she was coming from. And at the
end of it, I just told her, I said, Hey,
I appreciate you coming on, I said, and giving me
your perspective. I said, a lot of the stuff that
you talked about, I said, referring to the Nogamiti text,
some of these gnostic leaning texts and stuff, I said,
I don't myself personally in align with. I don't agree with,
I said. I'm a Christian, I said, but I love
having these conversations and talking to people, I said, like
you and hearing you know what you found. What's your
research points too, I said, And we got to have that,
you know. But then next thing, you know, like you said,
because I didn't call her out and tell our house
he was wrong X y Z and real time and
all this kind of stuff that I, you know, wasn't
defending God, you know, or something like that, or defending
the faith. I'm like, guys, are we really that prideful
and arrogant that we think that God needs our defense,
the or the Word needs you know, we need to
put on our armor and fight and defend the Lord
because he's so helpless. And it's like, no, I mean,
you've got to build relationships with people, and you know,
if anything, make sure the ground stays soft so it
can take a seed later. So it's like a lot
of people that act like that, they they pack at
soil so tight. Man, They've made it impossible for the
next person to even plant a seed, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it surely doesn't feel like love whatever. You're
just berating someone over the head. You're literally taking the
Bible and just beating them over the head. Doesn't feel
like love. And you know, listen, people have all kinds
of different thoughts and opinions out there. And man, I'll
tell you what, I've learned so much from people who
have come on and explain to me why they believe
what they believe. And it challenges me. And I'm not
smart enough in the moment always to have the answer.
But I'll go back and I'll think it through and
I'll be like, no, that's this is the answer for that,
you know, And I challenge my audience to be curious
out there and don't don't don't take my word for it,
don't take the guest's word for something. Research it yourself.
But if it's causing you to think and then having
to like justify where you set with it in your world,
in your view and your world, your paradigm, that's a
good thing. Man, it's a good thing. And you can
have intelligent conversations, friendly conversations. I had a gentleman on
Frank Jacob and uh man, I mean, the dude's full blown.
I mean he came out and said it. He's like, yeah,
I'm gnostic, which is fascinating because isn't it. Isn't it
crazy that all the atheists and agnostics in the world,
especially on the science side of things. Hard to find
Christians in certain fields in science, But isn't it amazing
that they're turning from agnostics and atheists to gnostics. And
the reason why is because God created us with this
big hole in the middle of us. It needs filled
with something, and man, if you can't fill it with
something bigger than yourself because of you know, you don't
believe in a God or any kind of thing like that,
then you have this big empty hole on yourself. But
guess what, you can become a gnostic and you can
fill that hole with yourself. You can be the one
to transcend, you can be the one who becomes enlightened,
you can become God, just like in the garden, you know.
And it all goes back to that, and so everyone's
looking for something to fill that hole. You know. Beating
someone over the head doesn't seem like a way that
they're gonna say, hey, I want that. No, not at all.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Well, with going back like the Aliens and stuff, that's
one thing which I was always a big fan of
doctor Michael Heiser, and he was in the Aliens, you know,
and he said that even hell back in twenty twelve,
in twenty thirteen, that he was going to these you know,
UFO conferences and stuff like that and preaching the Gospel,
and to a lot of people back then when they
heard that, they were like, well, that's just ludicrous. You know,
how the hell are you gonna be talking about Jesus
in the Gospel and Christianity at a UFO conference? You know,
Because he had that framework, you know, and just like God,
he met them where they were okay, like aliens and stuff.
All right, I'll show you where this is at in
the Bible. Or oh you like that show Stranger Things. Look,
I wrote a book. How that book? How that show
mirrors the story of Christ? You know, He meets people
where they are and pulls them, you know, makes them
want to come to the gospel. I should say, But
with the alien stuff, and this is super complex, and
feel free to take the Fifth Amendment or just pass
on the question if you need to. But big picture,
if aliens are real, all these years they deny, deny, deny.
Oh it wasn't a saucer. It was a weather balloon
at Roswell, you know, and all this stuff, and all
these people are crazy. They weren't abducted. They're having dreams
and nightmares. To now all of a sudden, yeah they're real.
There's non human biologics. What the hell is that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And it goes on. They're just edging us along for
the past decades. But so it's like, are they real?
Why now? And what is their end goal agenda? What?
What is the cattle gate that they're all kind of
seemed to be hurting us toward. In your opinion, Ryan.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, and it's not an easy answer. No,
but I can tell you. I can tell you a
few things that might shed some light onto them. So
we're going through what you know, can only be described
as a soft disclosure right now. I think it's interesting
that www dot war dot gov slash UFO is the
site where all the the tranches of declassified documents are at,
and images and videos and all that. Why didn't they
use UAP? Just think about that. Why did I use UFO? Anyways?
I go through all those records, and here's one thing
that I found. There is zero upside for a government,
any government, let alone our government, to do disclosure. There's
zero upside, period And the main reason why is because
there's a liability. Okay, what you spent the last eighty
years ridiculing people, grounding pilots, ending careers, potentially silencing people
over this, and you're not going to be liable if
you come out and say, we've known about it all along,
but we had a campaign to ridicule it. No, there's liability.
And moreover, if you get into the alien abductee side
of things, man, there's an MIT conference back in twenty twelve,
I believe where in Owen, I believe her name was
listed out forty four similarities between alien abductions and SRA
forty four comparisons similarities. And so you take a look
at this and you're like, oh, so you've spent the
last eighty years just telling these people that they were
crazy or whatever, and you didn't step in and help
whenever you knew that the phenomenon was real. And what's
happening right now in these disclosures, the most recent one
was on the twelfth of June, the same day Disclosure
Day came out. Ironically, they're actually admitting the government is
actually emitting and a lot of people think there's nothing burgers.
That's what they keep on saying. But the reality is
they're starting to admit things that are making them liable.
They in the last tranch, Trench number three, they fully
admitted that there was Their stance was we're going to
lie to the public. Were going to be researching this
deeply and categorizing it, have programs in place, but we're
going to control the narrative by ridiculing people on the outside.
It's essentially in a nutshell, what's going on, and they're
admitting it. Why would you admit that it's liability like crazy?
And the further down this road they go, the more
liability they're going to take on. That's a problem that
makes you ask some interesting questions. And also keep in
mind there is no such thing as a little disclosure.
You can't disclose a little bit and not have to
continue down the road. So it raises some questions like
why would a government do this when there's zero upside
for them to do it. Well, I think that there
is something bigger that is forcing this action, that is
forcing disclosure. And whenever you start thinking about it from
that standpoint and you start thinking about the end times,
I believe that there is a moment in time where
the enemy is all jacked up and ready to go.
They're like, this is our chance. We unleash it now.
And I know that it's in God's time, but that
doesn't mean that God doesn't have plant that seed and
have them say hey, now's our time. And I just
feel like disclosure is being forced by the enemy by
I say the enemy, but in this case, let's just
say the aliens, whatever that is. I think it's being
forced by them, and I think there's going to have
to be a narrative created to be able to accept
it when it comes, because it's going to be massive
and it's going to be life changing. It's going to
change the way the world is period. And so I
think that's why we're seeing this happening now. As to
what the aliens are, that's a different question and why,
but they're definitely in control of the timeline, it feels.
So that's my thought and opinion on that. I think
that you're going to see more and more come out
and a lot of people think, you know, no, it's
just going to be a little bit here and there. Trickle. Man,
they're already lining themselves up to be liable. Governments don't
do that, and so we're seeing that happen today. The
only thing that can be forcing this And a lot
of people say, well, it's the congressional hearings in the whistleblowers. Man,
they've spent eighty years stamping that stuff out. Okay, they
could just keep on doing what they've done for eighty
years and no one would be the wiser. And why
does everyone think that everything is a nothing burgers, Because
we've really already knew a lot of this stuff to
be true. Okay, it's like for human beings, you know,
like we do have the ability to figure stuff out,
and there's enough. There's enough there there people talking the
millions of abductee cases worldwide that at some point in
time you're like, Okay, if even one of those is true,
then there's a lot of other stuff that's probably true.
So no one's surprised about what's coming out. But the
thing that you should be surprised about is a government
that is allowing it to happen whenever they are going
to have to take on liability. Something is forcing this
behind the scenes. There can be no doubt about that.
And I believe that it is the phenomenon, whatever that
might be in a biblical worldview, guess what it fits.
And there's not a lot of other views out there
where it makes sense. So that's kind of my take
on it. It is fascinating though, like you said, man,
doctor Michael Heizer, Chuck Missler, Gosh, I would have loved
to have met both of them before they passed away,
just sat down and talked. Man, great great people. I
had a guy on you ever hear of Darryl Simms
Daryl Sims? Huh, Darryl simms Man. He's awesome. So he
has a website called the Alien Hunter. What a great
url to be able to get a hold of the
hunter dot com. But he's been around for many years
doing this. He is an abductee. He was in Vietnam.
He was I forget the term he used, sheep dipped
he said, by the CIA for a number of years.
And today he's a detective, but he spent his detective
skills over the years trying to figure out what happened
to him between the ages of four and seventeen when
he was abducted. And he is the Alien Hunter. He's
a Christian and boy, I tell you what you talk
about someone who has some ideas about what the phenomenon
actually is and what it is not. It gets really crazy.
And him and Michael Heiser were actually friends. Ironically enough.
They met at these conferences, like you said, out in
the desert or you know, the UFO conferences, because he
would be speaking and they had a friendship and it
was the kind of situation where Michael Heiser would sit
down and ask him questions and he would give his
thoughts and opinions based upon his experience. So Fascinating Guy show. Yeah,
we just did a interview. Yeah, it's just coming out.
It's coming out in the next couple of weeks. But
it's a two part interview because it was really long.
But he is of the opinion that this is It
was really hard to kind of get him to nail
it down, but I feel like I can say this
safely that the phenomenon that we're seeing, according to him,
was hatched, made, manufactured. I forget the other word he used. Basically,
he's saying that all the phenomenon that we're seeing is
some sort of hybrid hybridization. But who's in control of
that behind the scenes. I think that he's pointing towards
Follen Angels potentially these containers being containers for you know,
the spirits of the dead, Nephelene, the demons, Genie Boas. Yeah,
so he has a really interesting story, no doubt about it. Also,
because of being inducted all the all those years, he
said that he had a for whatever reason, he could
not only just hear what they were saying to him,
which of course you can and telepathically, but he could
also hear the conversations that they were having between each other.
When he was being abducted, so he has this insight
into what was going on. Really, so just fascinating conversation
and that does come into play in the book at
some point, that idea of the containers, the genie bottles,
if you will. But it's a fascinating subject. But it
does matter, and it's only gonna matter more, and it's
very timely right now. That is why I'm trying to,
you know, getting three hours of sleep at night, trying
to do perform and do shows and do the podcast
three episodes a week and find time to write.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, man, well brother, I ain't gonna keep you.
I know, like you said, you you busy dude. I
know you had actually just reached out to me about
the my publishing process, and then I'm mister capitalist. I
was like, Wellyn's I got you on the phone. Let's
try to get schedule time.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. No, I loved it. That's it. That's
exactly you know how it is to get stuck in
that email chain if you can't nail down a date.
It's like, oh, yeah, I understand, I understand.
Speaker 3: It's like, while I got you on the phone, let's
get this done. Here.
Speaker 1: That's all you said. That's what you said. I was like,
I can appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, well I appreciate you taking the time
to come sit down between and the listeners and kind
of talk about some of these subject and things like that.
I know I had asked in the beginning, which if
you did mention it, I must have missed it. But
I'll ask again. And if I'm repeating myself, I apologize.
But as we get ready to land this plane here,
just let everybody know, like where they can find you, websites,
your show, what kind of you know stuff? Can they
be looking forward to that kind of thing? But also,
did you give me a name for your book? Are
are you still working on the title or is it
just I'm not telling that right now kind of thing.
Either way, I'm not a fan of just asking.
Speaker 1: I could Well, I'll be honest with you. Like I said,
this started out as a book about World War three,
and then the research was like, no, I need to
write this other book. The working title, which will not
be the final title, was a case for Aliens, But
that's not going to be the final title. That is
the folder I'm computer where all my writing is at
and everything, but that's not going to be the final
title because that's not what it's really about. So but
A Case for Aliens was where it started, but it's
definitely taken on its own life and direction since I
started writing, no doubt about it. As far as The
Ryan Files, you can go to YouTube dot com slash
at the Ryan Files. We do shows on Monday, Tuesday,
and Fridays seven pm. The weekly Briefing is live on
Mondays and then the others are just shows. And the
Ryanfiles dot Com is the website. You can stop over
there and there's great resources, books, the book club and
episodes and merchandise and all that fun stuff. But I
just wanted to say before leaving, thank you so much. Doc.
You have been awesome. You're you have a message out
there that your audience is listening to, and you're just
growing the kingdom man, and in the way that you
know how to do it. Thank you so much for
doing what you do. And man, just keep on keeping on.
I don't know how much time we have keep on.
Speaker 3: Going, brother, Thank you so much. Like I said, you
nice stuff. Let me come on your show. I love
what you do. Man, You're kind enough. Let me get
in front of your audience and let me tell my message.
So I'm so thankful for that, man, and thankful for
our friendship. Dude. I love to get together again and
work with you on some future projects. I got another
book I'm working on. Maybe when I get closer to
nailing it now and I will come hang out and
have another conversation at your house.
Speaker 1: Bro. That sounds great, But thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Guys, hope you enjoyed that. Man, Hey, don't be a jackass.
If you like this and I've had your attention more
than ten seconds, hit that like button. That is the
podcast currency and I appreciate it. But guys, behavior until
next time, just remember the difference between the known and
the unknown. That is the journey, my friends. So good journey,
guys and gals.
Speaker 4: The boys, the cross shot the truth. So we steal
the fastire, not to burn it down, but to war
the one still froze him by the last passed around.
They call it dangerous, they can They call it aercy