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Speaker 2: How you doing, man, I'm doing all right, Pete, how
are you doing well?
Speaker 1: Tell everybody a little bit of yourself. This is this
is an interesting conversation we're going to have here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I am an American expat living in Japan.
I've been living in Japan a little over seventeen years now.
Time definitely flies really really fast, It's flown by. But yeah,
I've I'm originally from from Texas, but yeah, from a
young age, just really had an interest in you know, history,
other cultures. And yeah, after after graduating from college, just
decided to, you know, take an adventure, came over here,
and yeah, pretty much been here ever since.
Speaker 1: So that's that's wild. Yeah, that's something that's got to
be a lot easier to do when you're young. Could
you see yourself doing that now? Like if you live
your whole life here and you.
Speaker 2: Just oh, man, and just the thought of you know,
even you know, going back to the States, would it
would be an endeavor for sure, you know, because I've
established a lot over here. But it is something I've
i have thought about, you know, especially in the last
five years or so. It's it's it's been on my
mind about you know, going back, I guess, but yeah,
I just have to figure out, you know, layout a
plan and figure out what I would do next. But uh,
I mean, life's life's pretty comfortable here, to be honest.
It's it hasn't been a you know, a bad experience.
That's why, you know, I've been here as long as
I have. But things are changing a bit. So yeah,
it's it's it has, uh has got me thinking about
about going back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's something we're going to talk about.
So I asked you you hadn't you hadn't done any
kind of streaming or recording in over a year, and
I know you you know, yeah, your own YouTube channel,
and you did it. So tell me, like five years ago,
you interviewed John McAfee.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did he What did he reveal on your show? Oh?
Speaker 2: Man? So it was during a time where he was,
I guess, on the on the run or you know,
he was he was trying to keep his location, you know,
pretty much anonymous, and so I wasn't actually sure where
I was, you know, where he was when I was
speaking with him, but he was doing a you know
sort of I guess a podcast tour speaking with a
lot of people, and I just decided to reach out
and have a chat with him. At the time, I was,
you know, doing a podcast where I would just talk
to either other expats in Japan, how they got here,
you know, what their life was like, as well as
you know, just people in general who you know, traveled abroad,
lived abroad. But I had, you know, kind of followed
McAfee for many years and he was very interesting character.
So I, you know, decided to reach out to him
and they agreed, So yeah, I got him on and
that was an interesting chat. He he was a little
bit all over the place, but I he he did
reveal some interesting ideas he had regarding you know, blockchain
technology and you know kind of I think, you know,
recording history on the blockchain, so it can't be you know,
influenced by you know, outside, uh outside influencers, right, And
this was I guess maybe a few months or a
year before you know, his his death. So yeah, I
actually I feel pretty lucky and got to chat with
him before that.
Speaker 1: Chatted with him in uh in d MS on Twitter
a couple of times. He's just absolutely it's like one
of those one of those people that's interesting to watch
from a distance. You definitely don't want them anywhere near.
Speaker 2: You, right right, yeah right, so interesting?
Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, yeah wild so yeah. I think that
you you may have taken a little bit of the
same path I took. Was probably a little bit more
libertarian at one time, and then probably noticed a bunch
of things. Did twenty twenty affect you over there?
Speaker 2: Yes, So that was actually kind of what started the
shift to where I am now. To be honest with you,
I was, you know, pretty much fairly libertarian most of
my adult life. You know, I kind of my political
awakening when I was young, was nine to eleven, I was,
I was in high school at the times that were
really got me kind of paying attention to world events,
politics and whatnot. It was pretty much, you know, against
the Iraq War. I guess. Back then, I was you know,
pretty typical like a liberal, I guess. But around two
thousand and eight, you know, the Obama election and everything
is actually is when I really first came over here,
and I was pretty much neutral on that I was
leaving America at the time. I was like, I don't
really care what happens. That was my thinking. But what
kind of led me down more of the libertarian path
was just seeing the hypocrisy of the Obama administration. And
what really kind of clicked for me then was you know,
continuing the war on terror, the drone strikes on Americans
and then you know, getting a Nobel Peace Prize on
top of that. So I was like, you know, something's
messed up here, and I kind of went down the
rabbit hole of libertarianism, anarcho capitalism even you know, listened
to a lot of US stuff on Malau, you know,
guys like that. You know, that's actually how I came across.
You know, you at at one point when you were
doing the Freeman Beyond the Wall, and but fast forward
a bit, I would say, twenty twenty really really affected
another shift. So unlike other countries, Japan was fairly relaxed,
I would say, in terms of how they treated you know,
the pandemic and COVID and all that. Locally, they closed
the borders down, so there was no incoming, you know,
no tourism, no immigration, everything had stopped at that time.
Even if you were a foreign resident here and you
needed to go back to your home country. There were
really strong restrictions on even coming back into the country
and if you were married to a Japanese national or
anything like that. So during those those years I stayed
here in Japan. But in terms of any like hard
lockdowns or mandates or anything, it was nothing was mandated
by the government. I think constitutionally they couldn't do that.
And but how how the culture is here, people just
take suggestions as mandates in a way. So you know,
there was the social distancing. Everyone was wearing, you know,
the face masks. I mean, Japan was kind of a
mass culture anyway, even before that, but it really picked
up during that time. Some places were pretty ridiculous. You know,
you'd even go to an outdoor restaurant, but you'd have
to wear a mask on the way to the table
and then you could take it off. So you know,
there was a lot of a lot of weirdness there.
But yeah, nothing was really like you know, forced upon
the people here, and people just kind of complied just
by the recommendations. So but what really kind of made
the shift was just seeing what was happening elsewhere in
the world. Uh, you know, how the governments were reacting
to that and yeah, I just you know, I just
thought everything had gone completely insane at the time, so
uh yeah, but yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what happens is you convince yourself that
everybody else wants what you want. Yeah, and yeah, it's
like everybody just you know, given the chance to be
to be free, everybody wants to be free. And then
something comes along like that and you're like, no, people
are waiting around to be told what to do and
what to believe. Yeah, and it's really a very small
group that is going to be like no, they're going
to be questioning exactly what's going on. But once you
see the masses act the way they do, then you're like, oh,
now I understand why, you know, fences need to be
built in order to corral people, because they're dangerous if
they're not corralled.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's you know, I've heard you speak about,
you know, the like the friend enemy you know distinction there,
and that really kind of clicked for me during that time,
because you know, a lot of the same people who
used to say they believed in, you know, freedom of
speech or freedom of movement or anything like that were
some of the first people to want to you know,
put unvexed people into you know, camps or or you know,
talk like that, right, And I just thought the hypocrisy
was there, But also like these people are are dangerous.
You know, if these people have any sort of power,
they'll be the first ones to you know, put you
in those camps. Right. So I've seen what's happening in
you know, Australia, some parts of the US. I'm wasn't
quite sure what was going on in the UK at
the time, but I'm you know, pretty sure it was.
It was pretty bad.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, one of the things we were talking
about Japan. Japan, from what I understand, this is what
the way it's been described to me is is that
basically after World War Two, they were forced to adopt
the American Constitution, and America holds it, holds them to it,
so like while we're here completely shredding it, ignoring it,
no one can, no one pays attention to it anymore.
It's actually imposed upon them, so they actually, i mean
it helps that they have a high trust society. It's
mostly you know, for the most part, it's overwhelmingly monocultural
and mono racial. Well, it's one of the things we'll
be talking about. But yeah, it just seems like they
have the liberty. They have liberty there, the liberty of
the Constitution basically of the founding, and it's you know,
because they're a hydro society and because they're sort of
forced to because of the war. That Yeah, it's a
much freer and much freer place. I think. I think
it has less to do with the Constitution that it
has to do with just Japanese people being there, But
I think there's some influencer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, it's not exactly you know, a
word for word, you know, copy of US Constitution. It's
still a I guess a constitutional monarchy. They still have
an emperor. You know, they have a Prime Minister pretty
much is the head of the government. But a lot
of US influence was imposed on Japan post war. You know,
they were they were forced to, you know, get rid
of their military. They have a self defense force that
just does peacekeeping. You know, they sent people to Afghanistan.
I'm I'm not quite sure about Iraq. I think there
was some presence in Iraq, but yeah, it was mostly
just peacekeeping forces but no active military. Uh. And then
other you know, cultural influences by the U. S. So
what a lot of people don't realize about Japanese history is,
you know, cannabis was actually wildly grown here up until
the war. It was kind of used more of in
a religious sense. But after that, Yeah, they just they
completely clamp down on that impose, you know, those kind
of Western influences on the country. There. It was, you know,
the economy and everything was really devastated post war. But
I would say, you know, saying about the Japanese people
in the culture was a large reason why they were
able to turn their economy around, especially up until you know,
the nineteen eighties, they had a you know, quite an
economic boom, especially in the automotive industry that was I
would say mostly influenced by the culture and the people
because they had you know, industrialized really fast, you know,
less than one hundred years before that went from a
feudal society to an industrial society in about twenty years.
And yeah, I would say that less so about the
US influence and more yeah, cultural based for Japan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the term I was looking for was a
homogenous societygous.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's let's jump into it. I guess the
reason one of our one of our mutuals on Twitter said,
maybe you need to talk to this guy because it's
much like many other countries. Activists in Japan who are
not from Japan are pushing the Japanese to bring in
infinity immigrants. And you know, you you had mentioned we
were when we were dming that you would actually run
into one of these main culprits at like a YouTube
convention like ten years ago or something, so that you
know what's what's going on over there as far as
looks like you got some NGO troubles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So to kind of give a little bit
of context about the you know, the culture here, you're right,
it is fairly homogeneousy even still even after you know,
recent years. But it's still about ninety eight percent Japanese.
So really the form populations only about two percent. And
most of those foreign nationals here are other Asians, mostly Chinese,
Koreans and other East Asians. Right, so even a small
percentage of the foreign population or Westerners or people from
you know, the subcontinent or places like that, right, But
I would say it's really ramped up since the border's
reopened after COVID. But the presence of these these activists
have have been around for much longer than that. So
I ran into this lady, Rochelle Kopp. She is been,
she has been in Japan, I guess maybe forty years.
She came around the late eighties, early nineties, and basically
she's just you know, an activist to try and bring
multiculturalism to you know, Japanese companies. So she works as
a consultant. Business consultant, works with I would say, about
eighty percent Japanese firms and twenty percent foreign firms that
hire Japanese people. But what she really pushes for is
bringing you know, multiculturalism, changing attitudes in Japan to accept
more foreign influence for companies. Japanese companies are usually pretty
conservative by nature. But yeah, she I would say since
nineteen ninety four, she established her her management firm. It's
called Japan International Consulting. Yeah, she started that in nineteen
ninety four. Does seminars, coaching sessions, and consults with you know,
large financial institutions, automotive, pharmaceutical industries, you know, the big,
big companies. Here is what she does. And she's written
about thirty five books, so she's quite How do you
say prolific in her in her opinions there. But yeah,
I would say I first, she first came on my radar,
I was watching some mutual YouTubers at the time who
were interviewing her and what she was doing and what
she was pushing. And at that time, it was she
was really pushing a more of a you know, bringing
more female leadership into Japanese companies, feminism, that sort of thing.
But I would say in more recent years she's shifted
back to the multiculturalism and bringing in more people, you know,
outside influence for Japanese companies.
Speaker 1: Are these Japanese companies hiring her? I mean, how was.
Speaker 2: That's how she So that's a funny story. So she
she kind of created her own path and that sense.
So she she said she had to create her own
firm and her own consulting company because no one would
hire her to do to do this, you know, people
were innately opposed or apprehensive to this sort of thing.
And so she created her own firm, and she she
has a lot of influence from Silicon Valley, so she
really wanted to bring the Silicon Valley business culture to Japan.
And yeah, I think she splits her time between Tokyo
Silicon Valley in Chicago right now. But when she is here, yeah,
she she does have her own own firm and you know,
reaches out to these companies to do these sort of
you know, multicultural seminars and whatnot. And I would say, yeah,
the influence is there. At least in the last ten years,
Japan has really been pushing for ESG. You know a
lot of these NGOs. Chaika, the Japan International Cooperation Agency
works with them a lot. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
she works very closely with them as well, to kind
of bring this influence to the to the companies in
business here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it seems odd to me that companies
would hire her if her whole goal is one I mean,
if it starts out as feminism, well that's not really
with the culture there. And then multiculturalism, which basically means
opening the border is to import you know, as much
you know, shitty labors as you can. And I guess
the thing that I don't understand is is why why
did the Japanese put up with her?
Speaker 2: That's that's an interesting question. I sometimes don't understand it myself.
But I would say a lot of influence also comes
from foreign media, a lot of pressure from outside of Japan,
not just in you know, the news, but you know,
pop culture. So Japan does pride itself on exporting its
own pop culture abroad, you know, especially in the last
thirty years, that's really gotten popular with especially Western countries.
But they're also very influenced by Hollywood, by you know,
American news media as well, and they see, you know,
the prosperity. They always kind of have this feeling of
living in the shadow of America in a way. A
lot of people won't really admit it, but it is
kind of that feeling that they need to be like
other Western countries. And that's mostly from you know, from
the government, from the media, and from big business. But
even today, if you talk to you know, your average
Japanese person on the street, they don't they don't hate
you know, people from the outside. It's not it's not
that kind of you know, xenophobia, but they are apprehensive
of losing their identity and their culture. That the average
everyday Japanese person does have that concern, and it again,
it goes back culturally. So there are you know, ninety
eight percent Japanese. They are an island country, and so
that's isolating in itself. And then there was actually, you know,
a period a few hundred years ago where they were
completely closed off to all outside influence except for just
minor trade deals with I think the Dutch and the Portuguese, right,
And it wasn't until you know, like the eighteen sixties
where they were pretty much forced to open up to
to out to the outside world that did help them,
you know. They they they took in a lot of
British and German influence at the time and really industrialized
again in about twenty years, went from a feudal agricultural
society to an industrial society. But they still kept their
Japanese identity and their you know, cultural hegemony as well.
So but yeah, I would say since you know, the
post war, they became more global you know, adopted globalism.
That's you know, part of the rise of their their industries,
especially in the automotive industry, and I would say electronics
to some extent, but the Koreans kind of you know
took over in that that market a bit for them. Yeah.
So yeah, it's it's really just in the trends in
the last thirty forty years that they've been really going
more multicultural and being more influenced by the West particularly,
and then I would say that they're Yeah, it's mostly
just pushed by the government in the media and against
really the feelings and the wishes of the people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm actually running a search right now to find out. Yeah,
the question I always have when this happens, when you
have somebody who goes to a country no ties to it,
where they get their financing from, who's paying there? You know,
you always hear these stories about I've heard this over
and over again about oh, these three brothers came from
the palest settlement in Russia and for five years they
just worked hard every single day and all the way
they're pennies and five years later they bought half the
land in the town. Well, bullshit, Okay, I'm sorry. You know,
it's there's no like I had Groc run. There's no
like how how that company was financed and started. Japan
In's a cultural consulting. There is nothing there. So I
just asked Groc to see if her parents were rich
or something like that, and that's how it started. But yeah,
I mean, see, this is I catch crap all the
time for noticing that whenever something like this happens in
a nation of ninety eight percent Japanese and then the
overwhelming majority of the other two percent is from Asian countries,
that a fraction of a little fraction of the population,
someone or someone stands out and wants to change that,
and that they always come from the same background.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: And I get in trouble for that. It's like, I mean,
all that is is pattern recognition. It's like, okay, yell,
all eighty percent of Mao's advisors were from one ethnic group. Okay,
how how does that? How does that happen? Mao China?
These people know about China? Well, what is somebody? What
do they know about Japan? How did this person end
up here? And it's and why do they want to
turn every homogeneous country into a fucking mud soup of
you know, bringing in sub continentals from everywhere? Why do
they why do they want to do this? So, I mean,
I guess that's something that you've you've also noticed. I
guess you've noticed it too, that it's their background is
always whether it's religious, but normally it's like atheist, ethnic
ethnic Jew. Yeah, what the hell? Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and lo and behold. Yeah, she is Ashkenazi background.
So that's that was the first you know, little ding
moment that I got with her. There are other players
there was. There was an American guy here for about
thirty years who became a naturalized Japanese citizen, and I
looked into his background. He's he was definitely more of
a European Anglo background. He goes by Depto, so that
was his Japanese name that he changed to became a
citizen here. But basically for thirty years he would just complain.
That's all it was, is just complaining about discrimination against
foreigners in Japan and you know, actively suing you know,
organizations and companies for discrimination. What his big, you know,
first deal was was he he wanted to go to
you know, a Japanese bath in Onsen public bath and
they traditionally they associate tattoos here with you know, the
yakuza gang activity, so usually people with tattoos are banned
from these public baths, and he made a big stink
about that and was trying to you know, push for
more acceptance of you know, tattoos and whatnot. But I
would say in his later years he would just push
for things like microaggressions. That's the first time I heard
the term micro aggression was from this guy, and I
just even, you know, more than ten years ago, I
just kind of shook my head and thought, you're just
making it up at this point, you know, what is
a MICROAGGRESSI right, and you know, along with with him
and then with with this cop lady. So she, I
would say, she's you know, kind of a more insidious
influence because it's more behind the scenes. It's not you know,
just in your face. You know, Japan needs to change.
It's more it's more subtle, it's more okay, we all
need to get along. We all need to be uh,
you know, accepting of each other, accepting of people who
are different than us. This kind of mother Hen's sort
of language was used. So it appeals. That appeals to
people in some way. You know, it tugs at people's heartstrings.
You know, they think, oh, you know, we don't need
to you know, hate these people. We need to accept diversity.
We need to be more in line with other countries
and be accepted by the West and in turn accept
the same sort of policies that they have. So I
would say what she does is a bit more insidious
in that way because she's not very aggressive in that
she does push for people to sue companies for discrimination.
Though there is a story about, you know, a Muslim
woman she was pushing to sue for discrimination. I'm not
one hundred percent sure the details on that one, but
I do know that there is some some push for
you know, for suing these companies for discrimination that she
also supports.
Speaker 1: When you think of Japan, I mean, when you think
of pretty much any Asian country, with the exception of Singapore.
Singapore is you know, multicultural, but it's multicultural of Asians, right,
and that's why that's why they don't get along well
there in Singapore has to be pretty much authoritarian because
they will start killing each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was going to say about Singapore, So
it's interesting they do have it is multicultural, but they
do have a sort of you know, informal caste system
there in itself.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So from from what I know is, you know, there's
the top earning you know, foreign expats there. I think
you have to be in the top five percent, uh,
you know, financially in the world in order to become
a citizen of Singapore. They have kind of a somewhat
of a middle class, and then all the day laborers
are actually kept on the city outskirts in their own
sort of. I don't know if they're necessarily called ghettos
or not, but they're usually made up of you know,
South Asians, not East Asians, but South Asians, and they're
really only allowed to come to the city proper one
day a week, so they really you know, regiment the
day laborers either to the outskirts of the city or
they allow people from Malaysia to cross the border for
the day and then they have to return to Malaysia,
you know, after their work is done. But yeah, that
kind of society. It's multicultural, but it's safe and it's
clean because they take such a hard stance against you know,
even you know, petty crimes graffiti, chewing gum, sticking, chewing
gum on something. Yeah, you'll you can get a pretty
harsh punishment for that, from what I understand at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the I'm on Rochelle CoP's website and
it's funny her like whole team is like overwhelmingly Western. Yeah,
and you know, some obvious some obvious standouts here. Yeah,
I mean when she starts speaking like that. I guess
the reason I got turned on to it was someone
was sharing a video an interview that she did on
Japanese TV where she was, you know, saying, yeah, I mean,
Barbara Learner specter ish, you know, I mean, Japan's not
going to survive unless you open open the gates to
basically like Indian labor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's is good. I was just going to say,
that's that's really another push for bringing in so much
of you know, people from the outside. Is is the
birth rate that people always claim, you know, the birth
rate is declining, you know, Japan, there's not going to
be a Japan in one hundred years because people just
aren't having kids. That is an issue. The birth rate
is declining here. You know, younger generations aren't getting married,
they're not having families. How how true that really is,
you know, statistics versus you know, what I see. What
I see see every day is families with two plus
kids everywhere, people pushing strollers everywhere and on the ground
versus I guess statistically, you know, I need to do
a little bit more research into that. But the point
is they're using that as an excuse to do you know,
population replacement pretty much, because they say, well, you know,
if we want Japan to survive, we have to bring
in you know, foreign workers here and to intermingle with
the Japanese people. And the thing is, and I'm speaking
as a foreign resident in Japan, but they're not bringing
in the kind of people from first world countries. It's
always a push for people from the third world, right
from India, from Bangladesh, from Nepal, Nigeria. Now when I
first came here, there were pockets of these groups already.
I remember concentrations of people from Nigeria in certain parts
of Tokyo, but they were mostly associated with either you know,
trying to get other tourists to go to like strip clubs,
or to push drugs. I know people think that's a stereotype,
but that's really what they were involved with. Outside of that,
you know, they were involved with like import export of
automobiles pretty much, other groups you know, like you know
Indians or you know, people from you know, the sub continent.
I didn't really see so many of them until probably
about ten years ago. Most were I guess students at
the time, of course, working at convenience stores. And I
would say though that since about twenty twenty two, since
the borders were reopened, you know, all the tourists came back,
but just the sheer amount of people from the Third
World just everywhere has increased by and large a lot
more than what I experienced before twenty twenty. You can't
go to any convenience store or shop or even restaurant
in Tokyo right now without at least one two or
maybe even most of the staff being from South Asia
pretty much. And it's just it's mind boggling how much
it has increased just in the last three years.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned ninety eight percent Japanese and the other
So this labor wouldn't it is not? Is that resident?
Is that like citizens or does that include the people
who are here for labor? I would say the labor,
sorry not here, I'm not I'm not in Japan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would Yeah, I would say they're they're
on you know, a work visa. You know, if they
if they marry into you know, marry a Japanese national
or whatnot, they're still not citizens. The citizenship is a
is a completely different procedure. It's actually not super difficult
to become a citizen in Japan. It's actually more difficult
to become a permanent resident than it is to become
a citizen. But there are some qualifications such as language
and you know, giving up your your home citizenship. That's
that's one thing Japan does not have is dual citizenship.
There is a push for that now. There is a
there is a push for that now for Japan to
accept dual citizenship. But as a writer, befit, right, Yeah, so,
but yeah, in order to become a citizen, you have
to give up your home country citizenship, you have to
change your name to a Japanese name, and but the
process itself is is not super difficult compared to even
countries like the US. Right. But I would say the
majority of people who come here, especially you know, labor
wise or just come in on on work visas, there
is a lot of exploitation in that too, especially people
from Southeast Asia or South Asia. They're promised you know,
higher wages to come come work in Japan, and you
know they're sent to you know, rice fields or factories
or you know blue collar work like that, and they're
pretty much treated as you know, how do you not
not slave labor, but the conditions are pretty bad. And yeah,
and they and they and then and some of the
companies will dangle the visa above their head like if
you don't do what we say, we'll send you back, right. So,
even even in that, so they're still bringing in a
lot of these people. But you know, the conditions that
they live in are not great either. So it and
that also creates a sense of desperation in them. And
you know, they come from cultures that don't necessarily fit
with Japanese culture, right, so you put that mixture in there,
and it's going to cause some problems. And which is
you know, this is not a not a huge it
doesn't cover a huge area of the country. It's kind
of centrally located in one spot in in northern Tokyo.
But there's a group of Kurdish community. There's a Kurdish
community that has you know, been causing issues such as
you know crime, some sometimes violent crime, but mostly it's
like you know, theft and just general you know, mischief
and chaos. But a lot of these people came in
under refugee status and usually I need to you know,
kind of confirm the time limit for for refugees, but
I believe it's they give them one or two years
for refugee status and in order to stay, they're supposed
to go to immigration and renew that, but a lot
just don't. They just overstay the visa. But they're just
nothing's really being done about it. And yeah, it's it's
especially in that area. It's it's just created the sort
of you know, chaotic environment, and what's really concerning for
a lot of people is, yeah, this is just one case,
one area. But then you have organizations like DJAIKA or
even the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who are you know, trying
to build relations with countries like India or Nigeria in
designating certain towns in Japan as these countries' hometowns and
wanting to bring in I believe I read it was
over the next five years, they want to bring in
at least five hundred thousand people from India to a
certain town. And my first question was did the people
of this town agree? You know, what, are they just
gonna have five hundred thousand Indians show up in five years?
Speaker 1: Right? So I don't know that anybody in Canada agreed
for it to become like the second largest Indian population
country in the world outside of India. I could be
completely wrong on that, but it definitely seems that way.
I mean, basically Ontario is overrun. Yeah and yeah, I
mean it's their whole towns, like the town I think
it's town of Brampton. It's just India now. And well,
how does that happen? The only way that happens is
the people who live there don't have a say in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be intentional for sure, you know.
And and they don't. They don't get the consent of
the citizens who live there. Now. I do have a
friend here from Canada. He's been he's been here a
little bit longer than I have. But he he says
he can't go back to Canada even if he wanted to.
They're just it's just two. It's just gotten so bad
that he feels like he lost his home country pretty much.
Speaker 1: So well, speaking of so Japan, you have people there
who are You have a town now that is you know,
has a lot of Koords in it, and you have
activists there who want to import five hundred thousand Indians
into it. Has there been any kind of nativist movement
to you know, try to cause, you know, bring attention
to this and go, no, this is not what we
don't want this at all, and you know what kind
of what kind of dents are they making in public
opinion or government opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, the most recent elections really proved that there
is a growing anti immigration you know sentiment here. Again,
there's there's a political party called Sanseeto who's slogan is
Japan First, so kind of borrowing from the US America First,
but they want Japan first, and they're not necessarily opposed
to all immigration, but they pretty much pushed that. They
they believe that Japan should focus on the Japanese people
first and foremost, taking care of their own citizens first
before trying to bring in you know, all these you
know people from other countries. They're and I would say
in the last election, they had significant gains within the
Japanese government. Usually it's always been just one political party
that's been in charge in Japan since the war ended,
but they're starting to lose influence and lose grounds, and
this third party is really gaining a lot of you know,
they gained about fifteen seats in the Japanese diet in
the last election, and the people that I talked to coworkers,
friends of mine, Japanese co workers and friends of mine
who were you know, thirties, twenties, thirties. You know, younger
generations are very much in support of this party. Like
everyone that I work with who's Japanese that I know,
voted for this party. And it's a weird shift because
the older generations care more about things like pension and
retirement because they're getting old, but the younger generations are
seeing what's happening to Japan and they don't want to
lose that, and so yeah, they're overwhelmingly, you know, voting
for more of a Japan first type of party. You
start seeing more and more protests against immigration. I believe
there was one the other day in Osaka that was
quite large. There's always been, you know, a smaller protests
here in Tokyo, but the numbers are growing, and there's
going to be a large demonstration in protest on the
twenty first of September that a lot of people are
keeping an eye on for that. So I would say overall,
there is you know, a growing sentiment to push back
against this.
Speaker 1: What does that look like if if they were to
try to bring in like five hundred thousand Indians. Is
Japan the kind of culture where you would see, like,
could there be unrest?
Speaker 2: Ah, that's a good question. I would say normally, just
from what I've experienced, I don't think so. People would
be upset, But I don't know if they would be
pushed enough to really do anything about it, except for
maybe voting. And I could be wrong. They you know,
Japan has had its history with some you know, how
do you say, pretty radical political groups, even about fifty
years ago, but they were mostly like far left, like
a Japanese Red Army. They would do like domestic terror
or things like that, but that was quickly quashed and
kind of swept swept away. But the Japanese cultural overall
values you know, peace and harmony. So I would say
that the normal everyday person I don't think would become
violent at all. It's just not really their their nature here.
But at the same time, I don't know if they've
ever faced a situation where there's five hundred thousand people
from a culture that doesn't gel with their culture suddenly
coming in. I do notice an underlying fresh station with people,
though just day to day not only you know, living
in a big city everyone's on top of each other,
but just the frustration with going to a shop and
someone who doesn't speak your language working there, you know,
just minor frustrations like that kind of build up in people.
And so it'll be interesting to see what the reaction
will be over the over the course of the next
few years.
Speaker 1: Well, what's the reaction to the Kurdish crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say there's a lot more opposition to
that online, especially on x You'll see a lot of
you know, Japanese accounts posting about, you know, the Kurdish issue,
but it's such an isolated case that a lot of people,
normal everyday people don't really understand that situation, especially outside
of Tokyo. People who live far away from Tokyo, if
they're not you know, online, they may hear, you know,
a couple of news stories about it, but they don't
really know how bad the situation is getting there from
people that I talked to that are getting more fed
up with, you know, the immigration issue is it's mostly
against other Asian culture's influence, especially the Chinese. So what's
happening with the Chinese is you'll have some rich you know,
Chinese investors come over and they'll buy swaths of land,
which is land is pretty limited here. They'll buy huge
swaths of land and put like you know, solar panels
or whatever they do, and all of the money generated
from that doesn't go back to the Japanese economy. It's
sent back to China pretty much. And there's a there's
a northern island called Hokkaido which has a bit more
a bit more space, less mountains and you know, more
arable land, and so they're they're really going up there
and buying a lot of land Up in Hokkaido. They're
you know, tearing down a lot of forests, leveling a
lot of hills and mountains and just making way for
these you know, ugly industrial looking solar panels pretty much.
But it's not benefiting the local economy or the local people.
It's it's just all going back to China. And so
I would say that's really the national issue that people
are are concerned about is mostly from from China, and
when they're focusing on that, they're they're not they're not
focusing on the other groups that are starting to come in.
And I think a lot of people are unaware of
just how that it's getting. If you live in a
big city, you'll you'll definitely see it. Even medium sized
cities you start to see it. But people live in
the countryside so far have not really been exposed to
a lot of that. They just understand what's happening with
China at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's really with the historic animosity with China.
It's very easy for them to notice if China is
doing something, or if Chinese people are doing something there
with the Kurds, if they're committing crime, it's impossible to ignore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: Have Most people don't have any idea how the Indians
manage to do this. They get in there, they're incredible
brown nosers. For the for the most part, you're not
having any violent crime whatsoever, So they basically sneak in
skin suit you and act like try to act like
the as much as they can like the native population.
And then once they're in there, that's when you realize
as their culture is completely destructive. They have no they
they don't care about human life at all, not even
their own. They're just scammers and schemers and they're completely reckless.
I mean, that's something we're seeing. You're seeing in Canada, like,
you know, we had that that truck the truck driver
do that thing here. Ontario has been putting up with
that for for years now, where you say, you know,
I have a friend in Canada and he's like, if
I'm driving down the highway in Ontario and there's a truck,
he says, at least once a week, I see a
truck flipped over on the side of the road and
it's an Indian driver. So they can that's Japan. Can
see the China, you know, the Chinese clearly. You can
see the Kurds because they're committing crime and you know,
but these these people come in and they just try
to act like you and that, and then it's too late.
But it's by the time you realize, oh, we have
a corrosive you know, bio weapon amongst us, it's too
late in most cases.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It Actually I didn't mention this earlier, but the
area of Tokyo that I live in is I don't
live in that area, but it's fairly close to where
I live, so I see the influence a bit. It's
actually designated as little India in Tokyo and even the
local politician there is is Indian. So it's it's rare
to see a non Japanese politician here, but he's he's
definitely Indian, and they have their own community, uh there,
And that's it's just increasing. And you know, you go,
I just go to you know, local supermarket or the gym,
and there's just year by year increase of more and
more and more of people from from that area, and
it's it's almost becoming unrecognizable in some ways, you know.
And you know how if you've you know, ever been
to a big city that has a subway system, you
know how kind of cramped and how many people can
be on there. I grew up in New York, Okay, Okay,
so you know, so yeah, in the in the mornings,
on the commute, you know, usually people keep to themselves
and you know, you know, just try to get through
the commute to get where they need to go. And
then you see a group of about five to six
people from from India come in and it just it
just kind of detonates a small little bomb on that car,
you know, like it's just the smell, the the disruptiveness
it's just yeah, it's it's just that's what I mean
by you know, small things are starting to pile up,
and you know people are starting to notice that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know you talk about how young
people are, yeah, and it just seems like that's everywhere.
It's the younger generations that are noticing how screwed up
everything is and how multiculturalism doesn't work and atheist materialism
doesn't work. And yeah, you just hope that they get
out in front of this ahead of time. But you know,
if you're telling me, they already have like an Indian
neighborhood and an Indian politician. I mean, that's gonna snowball man. Yeah.
I said this on the latest Thought Crime Syndicate was
I had heard this once that Indya could send two
million of their own people to every country in the
world and still have a billion people. I mean, this
is a this is an insane problem. And you know
people here wan want to import them. It's it's it's
an Yeah. I mean, I'll listen to the argument about oh,
we need workers from the outside and everything. I don't
believe it, but I'll listen to it. If you want
to talk about bringing in Germans, Swedes, fins, you know,
something like that. Although a lot of the a lot,
you know, you can't be sure exactly how right wing
they're going to be, but at least they're not going
to be subcontinentals. And yeah, I just you know, I've
never been in Japan. I've talked to Jared Taylor private
conversation about him growing up in Japan, and you know
just how incredible it was to grow up in such
a high trust environment and then you come here and
it's just like, oh, you know, after you after you're
dealing with that. But yeah, it sounds like the beginnings
of of some troubles there. And you know, if I
give any advice to anyone in Japan, the head this
off now it's it's it sounds like it's already started
to metastasize. And yeah, it only gets worse from here.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's and that's what said is Japan is
a safe country. It is a high trust country. You
can at least, you know, before you can leave a
back in somewhere in public, and normally you would think
that's gone for good, but here, no people generally respect
to other people's property. You you go to a shop.
You can put your your bag or even a laptop
or a phone down on the table to kind of
claim your spot and you can go order, come back
and it'll be there. You know. I remember leaving a
bag somewhere, you know, in Tokyo about ten years ago.
I forgot about. It was all the way across the
other side of the city. Realized I didn't have my bag,
called the called the restaurant and they're like, yeah, we
have it, come by and get it, and everything was there.
If someone drops a wallet first, people's first instinct is
just to pick up the wallet and turn it right
into the local police. They don't dig through wallets or
anything like that. So in general, it's a very high
trust and very safe society, but it is starting, you know,
to change. Just a coworker of mine lives a few
neighborhoods down from me, had a I had a home
break in a few months ago. I don't know if
they ever caught the person. It was, you know, in
the middle of the night, two three am. Luckily he
was home and he was able to scare them off.
But that kind of thing doesn't normally happen here, and
you're starting to see more and more at these instances
of you know, petty crime, theft, home break ins, things
like that, and it's it's yeah, you know, especially people
in the big cities are starting to notice that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As long as if you can start getting people
in the cities two take on this, that's powerful because
I mean that's where that's where political power, political power resides.
So you know, you just have to hope that I'm
like here where politicians are so easily bought off by
either money or ideology, you know, buying into some kind
of ideology, thinking they have to buy into an ideology
to get votes, that they're it won't happen. You at
least have a fighting chance, because this seems like the
the war of the twenty first century is going to
be growing and growing globalism from the top down and
from the bottom up. I think the war. The way
they're going you're going to fight the war is you're
going to see more and more localism and you know,
people coming together in small groups to fight against what
what's growing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the one part that gives me a bit
of hope is that you know, the younger generations are
starting to notice and starting to wake up and they're
doing the only thing that they know to do to
kind of fight back to it is in the voting booths.
So that's why this political party Sanseto has grown pretty
much in the last few years, is just especially in
the last election, was people's frustration is starting to come
out and they're voting pretty overwhelmingly. So it'll be interesting
to see in the next few elections what the trend
is and what the people are, you know, how the
voting patterns go.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I don't know if you have anything
to promote or plug, considering I brought it kind of
brought you out of retirement for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, you know, I do have a
YouTube channel. I do have old episodes of the podcast,
but don't have a sub steck, but I've been encouraged
to maybe start one. I do have thoughts, so I
might start that up. But yeah, I'm you know, people
can find me on on Twitter under the handle that
I go by, so if you want to do a follow,
do that. But otherwise, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: It all right man, Well, I appreciate it. Thank you
very much, thanks for the information.
Speaker 2: No, thank you, Peter, I appreciate it. Have a great one,