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Want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yona show

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Speaker 2: How you doing, man, I'm doing all right, Pete, how

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are you doing well?

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody a little bit of yourself. This is this

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is an interesting conversation we're going to have here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I am an American expat living in Japan.

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other cultures. And yeah, after after graduating from college, just

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decided to, you know, take an adventure, came over here,

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and yeah, pretty much been here ever since.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's wild. Yeah, that's something that's got to

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be a lot easier to do when you're young. Could

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you see yourself doing that now? Like if you live

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even you know, going back to the States, would it

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would be an endeavor for sure, you know, because I've

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established a lot over here. But it is something I've

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five years or so. It's it's it's been on my

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mind about you know, going back, I guess, but yeah,

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I just have to figure out, you know, layout a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's something we're going to talk about.

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and you did it. So tell me, like five years ago,

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you interviewed John McAfee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did he What did he reveal on your show? Oh?

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recording history on the blockchain, so it can't be you know,

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rabbit hole of libertarianism, anarcho capitalism even you know, listened

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guys like that. You know, that's actually how I came across.

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no tourism, no immigration, everything had stopped at that time.

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to that and yeah, I just you know, I just

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thought everything had gone completely insane at the time, so

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everybody else wants what you want. Yeah, and yeah, it's

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like everybody just you know, given the chance to be

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to be free, everybody wants to be free. And then

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something comes along like that and you're like, no, people

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what to believe. Yeah, and it's really a very small

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now I understand why, you know, fences need to be

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's you know, I've heard you speak about,

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you know, the like the friend enemy you know distinction there,

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the American Constitution, and America holds it, holds them to it,

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no one can, no one pays attention to it anymore.

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much is the head of the government. But a lot

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the war. It was kind of used more of in

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US influence and more yeah, cultural based for Japan.

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homogenous societygous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's let's jump into it. I guess the

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reason one of our one of our mutuals on Twitter said,

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maybe you need to talk to this guy because it's

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much like many other countries. Activists in Japan who are

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not from Japan are pushing the Japanese to bring in

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infinity immigrants. And you know, you you had mentioned we

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were when we were dming that you would actually run

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into one of these main culprits at like a YouTube

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convention like ten years ago or something, so that you

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know what's what's going on over there as far as

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looks like you got some NGO troubles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So to kind of give a little bit

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of context about the you know, the culture here, you're right,

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it is fairly homogeneousy even still even after you know,

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recent years. But it's still about ninety eight percent Japanese.

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So really the form populations only about two percent. And

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most of those foreign nationals here are other Asians, mostly Chinese,

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Koreans and other East Asians. Right, so even a small

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percentage of the foreign population or Westerners or people from

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you know, the subcontinent or places like that, right, But

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I would say it's really ramped up since the border's

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reopened after COVID. But the presence of these these activists

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have have been around for much longer than that. So

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I ran into this lady, Rochelle Kopp. She is been,

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she has been in Japan, I guess maybe forty years.

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she's just you know, an activist to try and bring

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multiculturalism to you know, Japanese companies. So she works as

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a consultant. Business consultant, works with I would say, about

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eighty percent Japanese firms and twenty percent foreign firms that

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hire Japanese people. But what she really pushes for is

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bringing you know, multiculturalism, changing attitudes in Japan to accept

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more foreign influence for companies. Japanese companies are usually pretty

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conservative by nature. But yeah, she I would say since

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nineteen ninety four, she established her her management firm. It's

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called Japan International Consulting. Yeah, she started that in nineteen

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ninety four. Does seminars, coaching sessions, and consults with you know,

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large financial institutions, automotive, pharmaceutical industries, you know, the big,

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big companies. Here is what she does. And she's written

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about thirty five books, so she's quite How do you

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say prolific in her in her opinions there. But yeah,

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were interviewing her and what she was doing and what

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she was pushing. And at that time, it was she

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was really pushing a more of a you know, bringing

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more female leadership into Japanese companies, feminism, that sort of thing.

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But I would say in more recent years she's shifted

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back to the multiculturalism and bringing in more people, you know,

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outside influence for Japanese companies.

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Speaker 1: Are these Japanese companies hiring her? I mean, how was.

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Speaker 2: That's how she So that's a funny story. So she

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she kind of created her own path and that sense.

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firm and her own consulting company because no one would

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hire her to do to do this, you know, people

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were innately opposed or apprehensive to this sort of thing.

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And so she created her own firm, and she she

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has a lot of influence from Silicon Valley, so she

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really wanted to bring the Silicon Valley business culture to Japan.

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And yeah, I think she splits her time between Tokyo

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Silicon Valley in Chicago right now. But when she is here, yeah,

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she she does have her own own firm and you know,

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reaches out to these companies to do these sort of

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you know, multicultural seminars and whatnot. And I would say, yeah,

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the influence is there. At least in the last ten years,

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Japan has really been pushing for ESG. You know a

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lot of these NGOs. Chaika, the Japan International Cooperation Agency

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works with them a lot. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs,

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she works very closely with them as well, to kind

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of bring this influence to the to the companies in

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business here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it seems odd to me that companies

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would hire her if her whole goal is one I mean,

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if it starts out as feminism, well that's not really

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with the culture there. And then multiculturalism, which basically means

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opening the border is to import you know, as much

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you know, shitty labors as you can. And I guess

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the thing that I don't understand is is why why

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did the Japanese put up with her?

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But I would say a lot of influence also comes

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from foreign media, a lot of pressure from outside of Japan,

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not just in you know, the news, but you know,

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pop culture. So Japan does pride itself on exporting its

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own pop culture abroad, you know, especially in the last

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thirty years, that's really gotten popular with especially Western countries.

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But they're also very influenced by Hollywood, by you know,

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American news media as well, and they see, you know,

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the prosperity. They always kind of have this feeling of

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living in the shadow of America in a way. A

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lot of people won't really admit it, but it is

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kind of that feeling that they need to be like

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other Western countries. And that's mostly from you know, from

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the government, from the media, and from big business. But

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even today, if you talk to you know, your average

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Japanese person on the street, they don't they don't hate

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you know, people from the outside. It's not it's not

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that kind of you know, xenophobia, but they are apprehensive

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of losing their identity and their culture. That the average

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everyday Japanese person does have that concern, and it again,

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it goes back culturally. So there are you know, ninety

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eight percent Japanese. They are an island country, and so

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that's isolating in itself. And then there was actually, you know,

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a period a few hundred years ago where they were

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completely closed off to all outside influence except for just

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minor trade deals with I think the Dutch and the Portuguese, right,

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And it wasn't until you know, like the eighteen sixties

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where they were pretty much forced to open up to

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to out to the outside world that did help them,

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you know. They they they took in a lot of

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British and German influence at the time and really industrialized

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again in about twenty years, went from a feudal agricultural

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society to an industrial society. But they still kept their

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Japanese identity and their you know, cultural hegemony as well.

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So but yeah, I would say since you know, the

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post war, they became more global you know, adopted globalism.

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especially in the automotive industry, and I would say electronics

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to some extent, but the Koreans kind of you know

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took over in that that market a bit for them. Yeah.

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So yeah, it's it's really just in the trends in

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the last thirty forty years that they've been really going

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more multicultural and being more influenced by the West particularly,

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and then I would say that they're Yeah, it's mostly

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just pushed by the government in the media and against

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really the feelings and the wishes of the people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm actually running a search right now to find out. Yeah,

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the question I always have when this happens, when you

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have somebody who goes to a country no ties to it,

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where they get their financing from, who's paying there? You know,

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you always hear these stories about I've heard this over

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and over again about oh, these three brothers came from

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the palest settlement in Russia and for five years they

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just worked hard every single day and all the way

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they're pennies and five years later they bought half the

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land in the town. Well, bullshit, Okay, I'm sorry. You know,

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it's there's no like I had Groc run. There's no

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like how how that company was financed and started. Japan

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In's a cultural consulting. There is nothing there. So I

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just asked Groc to see if her parents were rich

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or something like that, and that's how it started. But yeah,

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I mean, see, this is I catch crap all the

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time for noticing that whenever something like this happens in

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a nation of ninety eight percent Japanese and then the

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overwhelming majority of the other two percent is from Asian countries,

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that a fraction of a little fraction of the population,

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someone or someone stands out and wants to change that,

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and that they always come from the same background.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm.

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Speaker 1: And I get in trouble for that. It's like, I mean,

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all that is is pattern recognition. It's like, okay, yell,

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all eighty percent of Mao's advisors were from one ethnic group. Okay,

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how how does that? How does that happen? Mao China?

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These people know about China? Well, what is somebody? What

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do they know about Japan? How did this person end

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up here? And it's and why do they want to

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turn every homogeneous country into a fucking mud soup of

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you know, bringing in sub continentals from everywhere? Why do

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they why do they want to do this? So, I mean,

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I guess that's something that you've you've also noticed. I

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guess you've noticed it too, that it's their background is

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always whether it's religious, but normally it's like atheist, ethnic

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ethnic Jew. Yeah, what the hell? Man?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and lo and behold. Yeah, she is Ashkenazi background.

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So that's that was the first you know, little ding

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moment that I got with her. There are other players

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there was. There was an American guy here for about

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thirty years who became a naturalized Japanese citizen, and I

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looked into his background. He's he was definitely more of

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a European Anglo background. He goes by Depto, so that

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was his Japanese name that he changed to became a

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citizen here. But basically for thirty years he would just complain.

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That's all it was, is just complaining about discrimination against

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foreigners in Japan and you know, actively suing you know,

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organizations and companies for discrimination. What his big, you know,

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first deal was was he he wanted to go to

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you know, a Japanese bath in Onsen public bath and

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they traditionally they associate tattoos here with you know, the

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yakuza gang activity, so usually people with tattoos are banned

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from these public baths, and he made a big stink

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about that and was trying to you know, push for

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more acceptance of you know, tattoos and whatnot. But I

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would say in his later years he would just push

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for things like microaggressions. That's the first time I heard

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the term micro aggression was from this guy, and I

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just even, you know, more than ten years ago, I

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just kind of shook my head and thought, you're just

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making it up at this point, you know, what is

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a MICROAGGRESSI right, and you know, along with with him

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and then with with this cop lady. So she, I

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would say, she's you know, kind of a more insidious

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influence because it's more behind the scenes. It's not you know,

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just in your face. You know, Japan needs to change.

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It's more it's more subtle, it's more okay, we all

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need to get along. We all need to be uh,

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you know, accepting of each other, accepting of people who

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are different than us. This kind of mother Hen's sort

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of language was used. So it appeals. That appeals to

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people in some way. You know, it tugs at people's heartstrings.

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You know, they think, oh, you know, we don't need

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to you know, hate these people. We need to accept diversity.

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We need to be more in line with other countries

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and be accepted by the West and in turn accept

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the same sort of policies that they have. So I

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would say what she does is a bit more insidious

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in that way because she's not very aggressive in that

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she does push for people to sue companies for discrimination.

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Though there is a story about, you know, a Muslim

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woman she was pushing to sue for discrimination. I'm not

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one hundred percent sure the details on that one, but

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I do know that there is some some push for

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you know, for suing these companies for discrimination that she

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also supports.

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Speaker 1: When you think of Japan, I mean, when you think

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of pretty much any Asian country, with the exception of Singapore.

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Singapore is you know, multicultural, but it's multicultural of Asians, right,

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and that's why that's why they don't get along well

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there in Singapore has to be pretty much authoritarian because

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they will start killing each other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was going to say about Singapore, So

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it's interesting they do have it is multicultural, but they

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do have a sort of you know, informal caste system

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there in itself.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So from from what I know is, you know, there's

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the top earning you know, foreign expats there. I think

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you have to be in the top five percent, uh,

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you know, financially in the world in order to become

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a citizen of Singapore. They have kind of a somewhat

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of a middle class, and then all the day laborers

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are actually kept on the city outskirts in their own

474
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,880
sort of. I don't know if they're necessarily called ghettos

475
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,839
or not, but they're usually made up of you know,

476
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,839
South Asians, not East Asians, but South Asians, and they're

477
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,799
really only allowed to come to the city proper one

478
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,759
day a week, so they really you know, regiment the

479
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,519
day laborers either to the outskirts of the city or

480
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,640
they allow people from Malaysia to cross the border for

481
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:12,880
the day and then they have to return to Malaysia,

482
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,920
you know, after their work is done. But yeah, that

483
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:20,799
kind of society. It's multicultural, but it's safe and it's

484
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:25,519
clean because they take such a hard stance against you know,

485
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:30,200
even you know, petty crimes graffiti, chewing gum, sticking, chewing

486
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,480
gum on something. Yeah, you'll you can get a pretty

487
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,799
harsh punishment for that, from what I understand at least.

488
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the I'm on Rochelle CoP's website and

489
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:50,720
it's funny her like whole team is like overwhelmingly Western. Yeah,

490
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:55,519
and you know, some obvious some obvious standouts here. Yeah,

491
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:02,640
I mean when she starts speaking like that. I guess

492
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,400
the reason I got turned on to it was someone

493
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,559
was sharing a video an interview that she did on

494
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,440
Japanese TV where she was, you know, saying, yeah, I mean,

495
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,559
Barbara Learner specter ish, you know, I mean, Japan's not

496
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:19,840
going to survive unless you open open the gates to

497
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,599
basically like Indian labor.

498
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:27,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's is good. I was just going to say,

499
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,159
that's that's really another push for bringing in so much

500
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,960
of you know, people from the outside. Is is the

501
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,760
birth rate that people always claim, you know, the birth

502
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,159
rate is declining, you know, Japan, there's not going to

503
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,639
be a Japan in one hundred years because people just

504
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,159
aren't having kids. That is an issue. The birth rate

505
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,400
is declining here. You know, younger generations aren't getting married,

506
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,159
they're not having families. How how true that really is,

507
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,639
you know, statistics versus you know, what I see. What

508
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,519
I see see every day is families with two plus

509
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:09,760
kids everywhere, people pushing strollers everywhere and on the ground

510
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,880
versus I guess statistically, you know, I need to do

511
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,039
a little bit more research into that. But the point

512
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:22,679
is they're using that as an excuse to do you know,

513
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,480
population replacement pretty much, because they say, well, you know,

514
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960
if we want Japan to survive, we have to bring

515
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,840
in you know, foreign workers here and to intermingle with

516
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,719
the Japanese people. And the thing is, and I'm speaking

517
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,920
as a foreign resident in Japan, but they're not bringing

518
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,840
in the kind of people from first world countries. It's

519
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,400
always a push for people from the third world, right

520
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:58,360
from India, from Bangladesh, from Nepal, Nigeria. Now when I

521
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,760
first came here, there were pockets of these groups already.

522
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,480
I remember concentrations of people from Nigeria in certain parts

523
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,079
of Tokyo, but they were mostly associated with either you know,

524
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,119
trying to get other tourists to go to like strip clubs,

525
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,000
or to push drugs. I know people think that's a stereotype,

526
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,320
but that's really what they were involved with. Outside of that,

527
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,119
you know, they were involved with like import export of

528
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,519
automobiles pretty much, other groups you know, like you know

529
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:40,320
Indians or you know, people from you know, the sub continent.

530
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,199
I didn't really see so many of them until probably

531
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,920
about ten years ago. Most were I guess students at

532
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:55,880
the time, of course, working at convenience stores. And I

533
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,320
would say though that since about twenty twenty two, since

534
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,760
the borders were reopened, you know, all the tourists came back,

535
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,079
but just the sheer amount of people from the Third

536
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:18,840
World just everywhere has increased by and large a lot

537
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,719
more than what I experienced before twenty twenty. You can't

538
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,039
go to any convenience store or shop or even restaurant

539
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:32,719
in Tokyo right now without at least one two or

540
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,840
maybe even most of the staff being from South Asia

541
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:43,039
pretty much. And it's just it's mind boggling how much

542
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,320
it has increased just in the last three years.

543
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,079
Speaker 1: So you mentioned ninety eight percent Japanese and the other

544
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:57,000
So this labor wouldn't it is not? Is that resident?

545
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,480
Is that like citizens or does that include the people

546
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:05,079
who are here for labor? I would say the labor,

547
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,239
sorry not here, I'm not I'm not in Japan.

548
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would Yeah, I would say they're they're

549
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,119
on you know, a work visa. You know, if they

550
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:18,800
if they marry into you know, marry a Japanese national

551
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:24,519
or whatnot, they're still not citizens. The citizenship is a

552
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,119
is a completely different procedure. It's actually not super difficult

553
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,360
to become a citizen in Japan. It's actually more difficult

554
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,639
to become a permanent resident than it is to become

555
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,239
a citizen. But there are some qualifications such as language

556
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,360
and you know, giving up your your home citizenship. That's

557
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,199
that's one thing Japan does not have is dual citizenship.

558
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,920
There is a push for that now. There is a

559
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,559
there is a push for that now for Japan to

560
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:58,320
accept dual citizenship. But as a writer, befit, right, Yeah, so,

561
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,679
but yeah, in order to become a citizen, you have

562
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,400
to give up your home country citizenship, you have to

563
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,679
change your name to a Japanese name, and but the

564
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,159
process itself is is not super difficult compared to even

565
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,519
countries like the US. Right. But I would say the

566
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,599
majority of people who come here, especially you know, labor

567
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,480
wise or just come in on on work visas, there

568
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,039
is a lot of exploitation in that too, especially people

569
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:31,039
from Southeast Asia or South Asia. They're promised you know,

570
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,719
higher wages to come come work in Japan, and you

571
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,280
know they're sent to you know, rice fields or factories

572
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,559
or you know blue collar work like that, and they're

573
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:49,039
pretty much treated as you know, how do you not

574
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:54,559
not slave labor, but the conditions are pretty bad. And yeah,

575
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:56,039
and they and they and then and some of the

576
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:59,559
companies will dangle the visa above their head like if

577
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:04,719
you don't do what we say, we'll send you back, right. So,

578
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,159
even even in that, so they're still bringing in a

579
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,440
lot of these people. But you know, the conditions that

580
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,239
they live in are not great either. So it and

581
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:20,360
that also creates a sense of desperation in them. And

582
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,639
you know, they come from cultures that don't necessarily fit

583
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:30,880
with Japanese culture, right, so you put that mixture in there,

584
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,199
and it's going to cause some problems. And which is

585
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,559
you know, this is not a not a huge it

586
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:41,039
doesn't cover a huge area of the country. It's kind

587
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:44,440
of centrally located in one spot in in northern Tokyo.

588
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:49,960
But there's a group of Kurdish community. There's a Kurdish

589
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,880
community that has you know, been causing issues such as

590
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,719
you know crime, some sometimes violent crime, but mostly it's

591
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,920
like you know, theft and just general you know, mischief

592
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,320
and chaos. But a lot of these people came in

593
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:13,599
under refugee status and usually I need to you know,

594
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,519
kind of confirm the time limit for for refugees, but

595
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,000
I believe it's they give them one or two years

596
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,880
for refugee status and in order to stay, they're supposed

597
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,679
to go to immigration and renew that, but a lot

598
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,199
just don't. They just overstay the visa. But they're just

599
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,320
nothing's really being done about it. And yeah, it's it's

600
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,079
especially in that area. It's it's just created the sort

601
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:45,800
of you know, chaotic environment, and what's really concerning for

602
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,119
a lot of people is, yeah, this is just one case,

603
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,599
one area. But then you have organizations like DJAIKA or

604
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:56,679
even the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who are you know, trying

605
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,800
to build relations with countries like India or Nigeria in

606
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:07,079
designating certain towns in Japan as these countries' hometowns and

607
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,800
wanting to bring in I believe I read it was

608
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,440
over the next five years, they want to bring in

609
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400
at least five hundred thousand people from India to a

610
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,760
certain town. And my first question was did the people

611
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,679
of this town agree? You know, what, are they just

612
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,280
gonna have five hundred thousand Indians show up in five years?

613
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: Right? So I don't know that anybody in Canada agreed

614
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:38,960
for it to become like the second largest Indian population

615
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,400
country in the world outside of India. I could be

616
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,440
completely wrong on that, but it definitely seems that way.

617
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:50,079
I mean, basically Ontario is overrun. Yeah and yeah, I

618
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,440
mean it's their whole towns, like the town I think

619
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,599
it's town of Brampton. It's just India now. And well,

620
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,559
how does that happen? The only way that happens is

621
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,880
the people who live there don't have a say in it.

622
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:09,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be intentional for sure, you know.

623
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,480
And and they don't. They don't get the consent of

624
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,639
the citizens who live there. Now. I do have a

625
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,920
friend here from Canada. He's been he's been here a

626
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,280
little bit longer than I have. But he he says

627
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,239
he can't go back to Canada even if he wanted to.

628
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,960
They're just it's just two. It's just gotten so bad

629
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,079
that he feels like he lost his home country pretty much.

630
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: So well, speaking of so Japan, you have people there

631
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:47,000
who are You have a town now that is you know,

632
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,519
has a lot of Koords in it, and you have

633
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:56,039
activists there who want to import five hundred thousand Indians

634
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:02,880
into it. Has there been any kind of nativist movement

635
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:08,000
to you know, try to cause, you know, bring attention

636
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:09,880
to this and go, no, this is not what we

637
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,039
don't want this at all, and you know what kind

638
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,440
of what kind of dents are they making in public

639
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,920
opinion or government opinion.

640
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, the most recent elections really proved that there

641
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:32,599
is a growing anti immigration you know sentiment here. Again,

642
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:40,800
there's there's a political party called Sanseeto who's slogan is

643
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:44,679
Japan First, so kind of borrowing from the US America First,

644
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,239
but they want Japan first, and they're not necessarily opposed

645
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,440
to all immigration, but they pretty much pushed that. They

646
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,960
they believe that Japan should focus on the Japanese people

647
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,719
first and foremost, taking care of their own citizens first

648
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,800
before trying to bring in you know, all these you

649
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:13,159
know people from other countries. They're and I would say

650
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:18,639
in the last election, they had significant gains within the

651
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,239
Japanese government. Usually it's always been just one political party

652
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,800
that's been in charge in Japan since the war ended,

653
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,599
but they're starting to lose influence and lose grounds, and

654
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:40,159
this third party is really gaining a lot of you know,

655
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,599
they gained about fifteen seats in the Japanese diet in

656
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:48,960
the last election, and the people that I talked to coworkers,

657
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,679
friends of mine, Japanese co workers and friends of mine

658
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,679
who were you know, thirties, twenties, thirties. You know, younger

659
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:04,400
generations are very much in support of this party. Like

660
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,199
everyone that I work with who's Japanese that I know,

661
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,960
voted for this party. And it's a weird shift because

662
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,280
the older generations care more about things like pension and

663
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,880
retirement because they're getting old, but the younger generations are

664
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,559
seeing what's happening to Japan and they don't want to

665
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:28,840
lose that, and so yeah, they're overwhelmingly, you know, voting

666
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,719
for more of a Japan first type of party. You

667
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:39,239
start seeing more and more protests against immigration. I believe

668
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,239
there was one the other day in Osaka that was

669
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:48,320
quite large. There's always been, you know, a smaller protests

670
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,199
here in Tokyo, but the numbers are growing, and there's

671
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,559
going to be a large demonstration in protest on the

672
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,280
twenty first of September that a lot of people are

673
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,400
keeping an eye on for that. So I would say overall,

674
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,679
there is you know, a growing sentiment to push back

675
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:07,119
against this.

676
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:13,199
Speaker 1: What does that look like if if they were to

677
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:21,039
try to bring in like five hundred thousand Indians. Is

678
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:28,440
Japan the kind of culture where you would see, like,

679
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:30,639
could there be unrest?

680
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: Ah, that's a good question. I would say normally, just

681
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:43,840
from what I've experienced, I don't think so. People would

682
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:50,719
be upset, But I don't know if they would be

683
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,760
pushed enough to really do anything about it, except for

684
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,960
maybe voting. And I could be wrong. They you know,

685
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:07,079
Japan has had its history with some you know, how

686
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,880
do you say, pretty radical political groups, even about fifty

687
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440
years ago, but they were mostly like far left, like

688
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,679
a Japanese Red Army. They would do like domestic terror

689
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,719
or things like that, but that was quickly quashed and

690
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,920
kind of swept swept away. But the Japanese cultural overall

691
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:32,440
values you know, peace and harmony. So I would say

692
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,840
that the normal everyday person I don't think would become

693
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,800
violent at all. It's just not really their their nature here.

694
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:47,559
But at the same time, I don't know if they've

695
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,800
ever faced a situation where there's five hundred thousand people

696
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,639
from a culture that doesn't gel with their culture suddenly

697
00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,800
coming in. I do notice an underlying fresh station with people,

698
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,760
though just day to day not only you know, living

699
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,719
in a big city everyone's on top of each other,

700
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,800
but just the frustration with going to a shop and

701
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,840
someone who doesn't speak your language working there, you know,

702
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,480
just minor frustrations like that kind of build up in people.

703
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,159
And so it'll be interesting to see what the reaction

704
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,719
will be over the over the course of the next

705
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,280
few years.

706
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: Well, what's the reaction to the Kurdish crime.

707
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say there's a lot more opposition to

708
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,320
that online, especially on x You'll see a lot of

709
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:48,840
you know, Japanese accounts posting about, you know, the Kurdish issue,

710
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:56,719
but it's such an isolated case that a lot of people,

711
00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:02,679
normal everyday people don't really understand that situation, especially outside

712
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:05,559
of Tokyo. People who live far away from Tokyo, if

713
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,400
they're not you know, online, they may hear, you know,

714
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,920
a couple of news stories about it, but they don't

715
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,599
really know how bad the situation is getting there from

716
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,519
people that I talked to that are getting more fed

717
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:25,000
up with, you know, the immigration issue is it's mostly

718
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:33,960
against other Asian culture's influence, especially the Chinese. So what's

719
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,840
happening with the Chinese is you'll have some rich you know,

720
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,199
Chinese investors come over and they'll buy swaths of land,

721
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:48,079
which is land is pretty limited here. They'll buy huge

722
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,360
swaths of land and put like you know, solar panels

723
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:55,199
or whatever they do, and all of the money generated

724
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,760
from that doesn't go back to the Japanese economy. It's

725
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,320
sent back to China pretty much. And there's a there's

726
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,559
a northern island called Hokkaido which has a bit more

727
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,880
a bit more space, less mountains and you know, more

728
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:11,679
arable land, and so they're they're really going up there

729
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:15,199
and buying a lot of land Up in Hokkaido. They're

730
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,280
you know, tearing down a lot of forests, leveling a

731
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,559
lot of hills and mountains and just making way for

732
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,960
these you know, ugly industrial looking solar panels pretty much.

733
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,039
But it's not benefiting the local economy or the local people.

734
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:32,239
It's it's just all going back to China. And so

735
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:38,239
I would say that's really the national issue that people

736
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,800
are are concerned about is mostly from from China, and

737
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,719
when they're focusing on that, they're they're not they're not

738
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,920
focusing on the other groups that are starting to come in.

739
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,920
And I think a lot of people are unaware of

740
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,760
just how that it's getting. If you live in a

741
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,320
big city, you'll you'll definitely see it. Even medium sized

742
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,119
cities you start to see it. But people live in

743
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:10,360
the countryside so far have not really been exposed to

744
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,800
a lot of that. They just understand what's happening with

745
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,199
China at this point.

746
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's really with the historic animosity with China.

747
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:23,880
It's very easy for them to notice if China is

748
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,960
doing something, or if Chinese people are doing something there

749
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:31,239
with the Kurds, if they're committing crime, it's impossible to ignore.

750
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't.

751
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,519
Speaker 1: Have Most people don't have any idea how the Indians

752
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:40,119
manage to do this. They get in there, they're incredible

753
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:42,960
brown nosers. For the for the most part, you're not

754
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,400
having any violent crime whatsoever, So they basically sneak in

755
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,920
skin suit you and act like try to act like

756
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,800
the as much as they can like the native population.

757
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,960
And then once they're in there, that's when you realize

758
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:05,920
as their culture is completely destructive. They have no they

759
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,960
they don't care about human life at all, not even

760
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:17,679
their own. They're just scammers and schemers and they're completely reckless.

761
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,719
I mean, that's something we're seeing. You're seeing in Canada, like,

762
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,119
you know, we had that that truck the truck driver

763
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,920
do that thing here. Ontario has been putting up with

764
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,159
that for for years now, where you say, you know,

765
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,840
I have a friend in Canada and he's like, if

766
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,760
I'm driving down the highway in Ontario and there's a truck,

767
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,360
he says, at least once a week, I see a

768
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,079
truck flipped over on the side of the road and

769
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:45,679
it's an Indian driver. So they can that's Japan. Can

770
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,800
see the China, you know, the Chinese clearly. You can

771
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,559
see the Kurds because they're committing crime and you know,

772
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:59,280
but these these people come in and they just try

773
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,800
to act like you and that, and then it's too late.

774
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,199
But it's by the time you realize, oh, we have

775
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,119
a corrosive you know, bio weapon amongst us, it's too

776
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:14,360
late in most cases.

777
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. It Actually I didn't mention this earlier, but the

778
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,000
area of Tokyo that I live in is I don't

779
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:24,719
live in that area, but it's fairly close to where

780
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,519
I live, so I see the influence a bit. It's

781
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:32,320
actually designated as little India in Tokyo and even the

782
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:39,639
local politician there is is Indian. So it's it's rare

783
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,719
to see a non Japanese politician here, but he's he's

784
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,880
definitely Indian, and they have their own community, uh there,

785
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,480
And that's it's just increasing. And you know, you go,

786
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,000
I just go to you know, local supermarket or the gym,

787
00:54:56,639 --> 00:55:01,000
and there's just year by year increase of more and

788
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:05,639
more and more of people from from that area, and

789
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,039
it's it's almost becoming unrecognizable in some ways, you know.

790
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:15,239
And you know how if you've you know, ever been

791
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,599
to a big city that has a subway system, you

792
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:19,920
know how kind of cramped and how many people can

793
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,239
be on there. I grew up in New York, Okay, Okay,

794
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,480
so you know, so yeah, in the in the mornings,

795
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:30,960
on the commute, you know, usually people keep to themselves

796
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:34,159
and you know, you know, just try to get through

797
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,159
the commute to get where they need to go. And

798
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:41,119
then you see a group of about five to six

799
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,440
people from from India come in and it just it

800
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:51,079
just kind of detonates a small little bomb on that car,

801
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,760
you know, like it's just the smell, the the disruptiveness

802
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,599
it's just yeah, it's it's just that's what I mean

803
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,000
by you know, small things are starting to pile up,

804
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:07,079
and you know people are starting to notice that as well.

805
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know you talk about how young

806
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,239
people are, yeah, and it just seems like that's everywhere.

807
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,440
It's the younger generations that are noticing how screwed up

808
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:26,800
everything is and how multiculturalism doesn't work and atheist materialism

809
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:33,440
doesn't work. And yeah, you just hope that they get

810
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,559
out in front of this ahead of time. But you know,

811
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:39,119
if you're telling me, they already have like an Indian

812
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:44,039
neighborhood and an Indian politician. I mean, that's gonna snowball man. Yeah.

813
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,960
I said this on the latest Thought Crime Syndicate was

814
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:51,400
I had heard this once that Indya could send two

815
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,000
million of their own people to every country in the

816
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,000
world and still have a billion people. I mean, this

817
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,400
is a this is an insane problem. And you know

818
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:09,039
people here wan want to import them. It's it's it's

819
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:15,400
an Yeah. I mean, I'll listen to the argument about oh,

820
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,960
we need workers from the outside and everything. I don't

821
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,960
believe it, but I'll listen to it. If you want

822
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,920
to talk about bringing in Germans, Swedes, fins, you know,

823
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,480
something like that. Although a lot of the a lot,

824
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:35,960
you know, you can't be sure exactly how right wing

825
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,679
they're going to be, but at least they're not going

826
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:47,320
to be subcontinentals. And yeah, I just you know, I've

827
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,519
never been in Japan. I've talked to Jared Taylor private

828
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:54,880
conversation about him growing up in Japan, and you know

829
00:57:55,039 --> 00:58:00,599
just how incredible it was to grow up in such

830
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:03,559
a high trust environment and then you come here and

831
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,719
it's just like, oh, you know, after you after you're

832
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:12,920
dealing with that. But yeah, it sounds like the beginnings

833
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:20,400
of of some troubles there. And you know, if I

834
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:24,320
give any advice to anyone in Japan, the head this

835
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,880
off now it's it's it sounds like it's already started

836
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,119
to metastasize. And yeah, it only gets worse from here.

837
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's and that's what said is Japan is

838
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,920
a safe country. It is a high trust country. You

839
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,199
can at least, you know, before you can leave a

840
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,920
back in somewhere in public, and normally you would think

841
00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:00,000
that's gone for good, but here, no people generally respect

842
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:04,039
to other people's property. You you go to a shop.

843
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,639
You can put your your bag or even a laptop

844
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:10,320
or a phone down on the table to kind of

845
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,840
claim your spot and you can go order, come back

846
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,119
and it'll be there. You know. I remember leaving a

847
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:21,280
bag somewhere, you know, in Tokyo about ten years ago.

848
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,559
I forgot about. It was all the way across the

849
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:28,360
other side of the city. Realized I didn't have my bag,

850
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:31,400
called the called the restaurant and they're like, yeah, we

851
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,519
have it, come by and get it, and everything was there.

852
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,559
If someone drops a wallet first, people's first instinct is

853
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:40,599
just to pick up the wallet and turn it right

854
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:44,000
into the local police. They don't dig through wallets or

855
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,880
anything like that. So in general, it's a very high

856
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,320
trust and very safe society, but it is starting, you know,

857
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,639
to change. Just a coworker of mine lives a few

858
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,360
neighborhoods down from me, had a I had a home

859
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,400
break in a few months ago. I don't know if

860
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,440
they ever caught the person. It was, you know, in

861
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,000
the middle of the night, two three am. Luckily he

862
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,360
was home and he was able to scare them off.

863
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,880
But that kind of thing doesn't normally happen here, and

864
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:23,199
you're starting to see more and more at these instances

865
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:28,000
of you know, petty crime, theft, home break ins, things

866
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:33,440
like that, and it's it's yeah, you know, especially people

867
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,320
in the big cities are starting to notice that.

868
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. As long as if you can start getting people

869
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:47,880
in the cities two take on this, that's powerful because

870
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,519
I mean that's where that's where political power, political power resides.

871
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:58,000
So you know, you just have to hope that I'm

872
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:03,840
like here where politicians are so easily bought off by

873
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,280
either money or ideology, you know, buying into some kind

874
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,599
of ideology, thinking they have to buy into an ideology

875
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:17,239
to get votes, that they're it won't happen. You at

876
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:23,639
least have a fighting chance, because this seems like the

877
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:27,440
the war of the twenty first century is going to

878
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:35,960
be growing and growing globalism from the top down and

879
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,079
from the bottom up. I think the war. The way

880
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,559
they're going you're going to fight the war is you're

881
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:47,159
going to see more and more localism and you know,

882
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:53,719
people coming together in small groups to fight against what

883
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:54,400
what's growing.

884
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the one part that gives me a bit

885
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:03,800
of hope is that you know, the younger generations are

886
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,599
starting to notice and starting to wake up and they're

887
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,719
doing the only thing that they know to do to

888
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,360
kind of fight back to it is in the voting booths.

889
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:19,920
So that's why this political party Sanseto has grown pretty

890
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,440
much in the last few years, is just especially in

891
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,840
the last election, was people's frustration is starting to come

892
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:32,079
out and they're voting pretty overwhelmingly. So it'll be interesting

893
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,639
to see in the next few elections what the trend

894
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,239
is and what the people are, you know, how the

895
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,119
voting patterns go.

896
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: All right, well, I don't know if you have anything

897
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,400
to promote or plug, considering I brought it kind of

898
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,760
brought you out of retirement for this.

899
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, you know, I do have a

900
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,280
YouTube channel. I do have old episodes of the podcast,

901
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,519
but don't have a sub steck, but I've been encouraged

902
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,920
to maybe start one. I do have thoughts, so I

903
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,920
might start that up. But yeah, I'm you know, people

904
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,880
can find me on on Twitter under the handle that

905
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,400
I go by, so if you want to do a follow,

906
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:18,280
do that. But otherwise, yeah, that's.

907
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:21,599
Speaker 1: It all right man, Well, I appreciate it. Thank you

908
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:23,079
very much, thanks for the information.

909
01:03:23,400 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 2: No, thank you, Peter, I appreciate it. Have a great one,