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<v Speaker 1>Baby, you're my gamester too.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a little tangle.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't mess with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Mess with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby a gangster too, Baby, You're a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Statoo for good warnings.

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<v Speaker 3>This podcast is designed to take you outside of your

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<v Speaker 3>comfort zone and make you question reality. Listening Discretion is

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<v Speaker 3>a vibe the fellas.

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<v Speaker 2>This ain't my first time at the rodeos. We're live now.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey and Us

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<v Speaker 2>gets on today's show with a very special guest. Returning

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<v Speaker 2>guest name is Julius operates the Cosmic Peach podcast Check

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<v Speaker 2>it out. I was just on there. We were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Dave mcgallian's book Program to Kill, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>some other topics, and so when I was talking to her,

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<v Speaker 2>this is about two or three weeks ago, I said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you should come on my show because I had heard

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<v Speaker 2>she had done a lot of episodes on another of

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<v Speaker 2>McGowan's books, were weird scenes inside the Canyon Laurel Kenyon

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<v Speaker 2>covert ops in the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream,

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<v Speaker 2>And so she said yes, So we scheduled this for

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<v Speaker 2>today and I was listening to her Sam Tripley's show

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<v Speaker 2>tinfoil hatch. She was talking to him about the book,

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<v Speaker 2>So I was just trying to reaquaint myself look through

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<v Speaker 2>the book again. But there's a lot more on Chia.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were talking about Program to Kill, she had

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<v Speaker 2>said there was like all these deaths surrounding weird scenes

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<v Speaker 2>of that either I didn't notice or that to skip

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, But there's a lot of dark stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>happened in Laurel Kenyon. There was actually something that happened

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<v Speaker 2>fairly recently, which is as weird house burning, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Julian knows more about that, but this weird house burning

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<v Speaker 2>of a Rothschild guy, of a literal Rothschild heir who

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<v Speaker 2>was found dead after a mysterious fire and gulf the

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<v Speaker 2>two story hillside home. And I think it was up

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<v Speaker 2>in Laurel Canyon or either the Hollywood Hills or somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>nearby that.

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<v Speaker 1>But so there are still weird scenes coming from outside

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<v Speaker 1>the againn it.

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<v Speaker 2>Appears it sure seems like it's so I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>it was in Laurel Canyon, so a desirable place. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of celebrities live up there to this day. And

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking in the pre show just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>about used to working at somebody. And also I was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of showing off my signed copy of Dave McGowan's

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Scenes books, so let me see, like, dog, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>can you believe it? I went to The reason I

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<v Speaker 2>got it is I went to the book signing when

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<v Speaker 2>he was at book Soup. So it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last independent bookstores in Los Angeles, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was twenty fifteen something like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I was there kind of just kind of watching this.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is my kind of flex right here, as

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter will call it, reflex. It says to William,

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<v Speaker 2>hope you enjoy the book, Dave McCowan. I've confirmed that

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<v Speaker 2>this is his handwriting. Other people have got signed copies.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I was at book Soup, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>he got sick fairly soon after that, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>kind of talking to him after the book discussion. I

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<v Speaker 2>met his brother too, I used to be friends with

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<v Speaker 2>when I was on Facebook. We used to it all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. His brother was there, Greg, and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>Dave's chain smoking too, so I was like, hey man,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not good, Like you shouldn't be sucking down

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<v Speaker 2>cigarette after cigarette.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, and chugging the butts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a kind of not a casual kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm having a smoke, like and then taking another

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<v Speaker 2>their drag every thirty seconds. It was like like some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty intense, you know, cigarette smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the guy was definitely It's almost like he

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<v Speaker 1>was tortured because he was the only person really talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this stuff, you know. And then even with the

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<v Speaker 1>program to kill, I feel like he was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a tortured soul. And then I don't know about you, William,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think his death was as cut and

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<v Speaker 1>dry as they make it up.

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<v Speaker 2>His brother doesn't think that it was a normal sickness,

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<v Speaker 2>so of course I don't know. So I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>was was way ahead of his time. Never hear to

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<v Speaker 2>other shows people try to take a part program to

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<v Speaker 2>kill or this book. But I've seen people like a

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<v Speaker 2>tech program to kill Marck it du oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy because it's it's so easy to go and

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<v Speaker 1>like look at the stuff he said in the book

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<v Speaker 1>and find actual will uh supporting evidence. And I would

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<v Speaker 1>tell anybody out there who doesn't have time to sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and read the entire book. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I could post this in the chat. Let me see, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is everyone able to see this chat?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me put I mean, let me bring it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me bring up the website.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So it's called Center for an Informed American America

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. And if you go under features on the top,

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<v Speaker 1>under the drop downs, you can read several things. They're

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<v Speaker 1>all blogs from Dave and they essentially just sum up

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<v Speaker 1>what's in the book. But if you click there's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't can't even see how many parts, like eight

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<v Speaker 1>or eight to ten parts here of twenty two twenty two. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you don't have time to read the entire book,

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<v Speaker 1>but you just want snippets, I would recommend reading his blog.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where I found a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>people on the Laurel Canyon death list was from this blog.

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<v Speaker 1>And Dave also did a great job on this website

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<v Speaker 1>doing stuff about Lincoln nine to eleven, the fake moon

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<v Speaker 1>landing it's called Moon Doggie, and then the Boston marathon

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<v Speaker 1>bombings are also available on this website. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you know he was It's like you said, he

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<v Speaker 1>was so ahead of his time. And even if you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to sit down and read an entire book,

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<v Speaker 1>just just kind of skimming through these blogs. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like an incredible amount of information. I mean, he just

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<v Speaker 1>lays it out buffet style for everyone, and it's it's incredible. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine and sent me this website and

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<v Speaker 1>it was the first time I had ever heard of

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<v Speaker 1>Dave McGowan. So if you're just getting started and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to just dip your toe in the water, this website,

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<v Speaker 1>this Center for and Informed America dot com, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great place to get started. And what I've tried to

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<v Speaker 1>do ever since I discovered the weird scenes from Inside

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<v Speaker 1>the Canyon is kind of expand on it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit with it's, like you said, current events, because Dave's

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<v Speaker 1>not around to talk to us about it anymore, so

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of have to be our own investigators. And

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<v Speaker 1>it just never stops. You know, Weird stuff keeps happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and weird stuff keeps coming out. And one person in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you want to talk about this first,

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<v Speaker 1>or the or the body count, but one person in

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<v Speaker 1>particular that Dave very briefly touched on but I've expanded

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<v Speaker 1>on with my research is John Denver. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very briefly mentioned in Eve's blogg It says something

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<v Speaker 1>about like, oh, well, you know John Denver, his real

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<v Speaker 1>name is Henry John Duchendorf for something like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's actually German, and he could just kind of leaves

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<v Speaker 1>it there. But a lot of people might not put

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<v Speaker 1>John Denver in with the rest of the Laurel Canyon crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was definitely a part of it. He performed

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<v Speaker 1>his first hit ever leaving on a jet plane with

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<v Speaker 1>Mama Well, Mama Cass introduced him and he performed it

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<v Speaker 1>for like some kind of a show where the mamas

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<v Speaker 1>and the papas were there. So he was definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>folk singer that was hanging around in and around the canyon,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did have friends like Mama Cass and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>was hanging around with all the rest of the cast

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<v Speaker 1>of characters. And uh, John Denver's dad was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>hang on, let me pull my notes up, because I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to give you the exact thing. Okay, yeah, give

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<v Speaker 1>me just a second, because I have this whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>on John Denver that I was writing, just some random

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<v Speaker 1>notes down and it felt like it was important for

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<v Speaker 1>people to know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was in the same theme of weird scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, yeah, Well, his real name is Henry John

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<v Speaker 1>Duchendorf and his dad's name was Henry John Dutchendorf Senior,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a Roswell Army Airfield captain and he

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<v Speaker 1>won a bunch of awards, and he was a decorated pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turns out that John Denver grew up on

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<v Speaker 1>Roswell Army Airfield. So when we're talking about Laurel Canyon stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>all of their dads are somehow military. And if we're

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<v Speaker 1>if we were gonna pick like what would be the

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<v Speaker 1>most obvious one that's got like crazy stuff, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and pick Roswell or Presidio maybe, but Roswell

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<v Speaker 1>Army Airfield. And I think a lot of people overlook

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<v Speaker 1>John when they're doing Laurel Canyon stuff because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really associate himself with the rest of the crew. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was definitely in there, and he grew up on

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<v Speaker 1>Roswell Airfield base. And then his dad is like a

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<v Speaker 1>decorated pilot, he's a captain, and some weird numbers kind

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<v Speaker 1>of surround him. If you look at even that second

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<v Speaker 1>paragraph there. On Wikipedia, approximately three hundred songs and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three he sold thirty three million units. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>another something in there thirty three albums, thirty three albums. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you even Wikipedia can't hide like the weirdness

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<v Speaker 1>with this guy, you know, three hundred songs, thirty three albums,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three million units sold. Is that is a roswell army,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Air Force captain and something that Also people

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<v Speaker 1>like to forget about John Denver because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about you, William, but I'm a huge fan. I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up listening to John Denver. I love all that that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to differentiate sometimes your idols from the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy stuff. And it just happens to be that the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger they are and the more you love him, the

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<v Speaker 1>the creepier they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye. No, he has a strange background. There's no question.

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<v Speaker 2>Those songs are so Americana too. Rocky Mountain Hind thank God,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a country boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, even if you look at the lyrics to Rocky

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<v Speaker 1>Mountain High, he mentioned something about uh he was born

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<v Speaker 1>in the summer of his twenty seventh year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, home to a place that he'd never been before.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think right, his lyrics are even kind of encoded.

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<v Speaker 1>So his wife Anny said that he had a violent side,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds like who. She actually said that he could

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<v Speaker 1>flip on a switch, which was very reminiscent for me

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<v Speaker 1>of Frank Zappa, because they always said like there was

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<v Speaker 1>this artistic side of him that made music and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>loved him. But at home he was like an authoritarian, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of aggressive kind of guy. He changed saw their

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<v Speaker 1>bed in half one time when they were fighting, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of known to have beat his wife's ass,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you would think this guy John Denver who's

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<v Speaker 1>singing about rainbows and butterflies and sunshine and flapjacks, like

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't think at home he was chains on people's

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<v Speaker 1>beds in half and beating his wife's ass. But just

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<v Speaker 1>like Frank Zappa, there was like a completely different side

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<v Speaker 1>to him, and he did have kind of like that

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<v Speaker 1>authoritarian personality. But he later on in life he gets

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<v Speaker 1>real political and he starts working on I believe it's

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<v Speaker 1>He gets involved with the LGBT scene in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's in support of the LGBT stuff, and he

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<v Speaker 1>to the board of governors for one of NASA's programs.

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<v Speaker 1>And let me look and see what it was called.

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<v Speaker 1>Here he is. He served on the National Space Society's

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<v Speaker 1>engineers and designers. But somehow this country folk singer who

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what do you think about NASA.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I mean to keep up the whole myth

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<v Speaker 1>So right, right, do you think we've been to space?

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<v Speaker 2>I used to accepted that as a fact and that

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<v Speaker 2>for me to think of nine to eleven as an inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Job the moonlane, right, But if you look into Cubrick

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<v Speaker 1>and all it right, and I think even well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole nother episode. But so, the Citizens in Space

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<v Speaker 1>program was John Denver's idea. He pioneered the citizens in

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<v Speaker 1>Space program. Nobody knows about this and nobody talks about it.

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<v Speaker 1>John Denver's idea. He wanted to be on a citizen's

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<v Speaker 1>was actually the Challenger mission. This was John Denver's brainchild,

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<v Speaker 1>say Seth McFarlane was supposed to get on the plane

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<v Speaker 1>for nine to eleven, but he didn't last minute. So

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<v Speaker 1>last minute, he's about to get all of his space

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<v Speaker 1>suit on to get on the Challenger and he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>replaced him with Christa mcculliff, the school teacher, and he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't go on the first citizen's flight into space, and

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<v Speaker 1>just so happened. It was the big fiery crash and

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<v Speaker 1>they all died. And then he wrote that song flying

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<v Speaker 1>for Me because he said they were flying for me.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't have even been up there if it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been my idea to put him up there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that to me just seems extremely ritualistic. It's like, oh, okay, John,

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna get it going, and then all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden you back out last minute and everybody dies. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of theories that nobody actually died that

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<v Speaker 1>day and everybody on the Challenger flight actually is still alive.

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<v Speaker 1>And they became like university professors. Have you seen that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's like very pictures of these people that look

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<v Speaker 2>very similar to them.

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<v Speaker 1>So, like that Judith resnik one, they've found her at

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<v Speaker 1>a university. There's a guy, Richard Scobi. He's got some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a company with the logo that looks just

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<v Speaker 1>like the Challenger blowing up, and you know it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>up for debate. And I'm not telling you that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent what happened. But it seems more than

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<v Speaker 1>likely that these people didn't even die in the Challenger flight,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a guy out there who looks exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy McVeigh like this in the State Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I did.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like almost a carbon copy, like, yeah, you know too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it wouldn't be the first time some of

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<v Speaker 2>these people fake their deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>Or death well, wouldn't it be something? Though, William? If

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<v Speaker 1>the point of them blowing up the Challenger with the

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<v Speaker 1>citizens Space thing was to say, like, we can't let

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<v Speaker 1>civilians go to space, because look what happened. It was

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a scare tactic because we can't really get

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<v Speaker 1>to space.

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<v Speaker 2>They let's wind down NASA too, right, right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to they have to program the general public

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<v Speaker 1>to believe you have to become an astronaut to get

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<v Speaker 1>into space, and like, who knows what the people I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're all actors. I think it's all like some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a state that even they said, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of astronauts that are supposedly stuck in space

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<v Speaker 1>right now. You know what I'm talking about, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they say that there's a couple of people that

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<v Speaker 1>are stuck in space right now, and that they went

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<v Speaker 1>up there in like June or something. They've just been

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<v Speaker 1>up there ever since and they can't get back. But

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<v Speaker 1>somehow they took a video of themselves to send to

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<v Speaker 1>their families for Christmas, and they had Christmas hats on

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<v Speaker 1>Why the fuck would they have Christmas hats on the

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<v Speaker 1>Space Shuttle if they left in June and we're planning

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<v Speaker 1>to be up there for a couple of weeks and come,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is the stuff that there were they

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<v Speaker 1>want us to believe, William. It's just absolute theater stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of that in tons of theater.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that is in the mass media, just total theater.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, Like I think that anyone who thinks

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<v Speaker 2>they just know it's like I'm literally watching these TV

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<v Speaker 2>shows and I feel like I'm watching Viver Vendetta. It's

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<v Speaker 2>such obviously to transparent propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I know. And so the thing for me

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<v Speaker 1>with John Denver in his obsession with NASA, it could

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<v Speaker 1>really come from his dad being a real high up

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<v Speaker 1>in Roswell and stuff, and maybe he saw or heard

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<v Speaker 1>stuff from his father and he knew that they they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to do stuff like that, and he did

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<v Speaker 1>get obsessed with NASA. Who knows, But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we've ever been to the moon. And I think this

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<v Speaker 1>whole citizen spaceflight thing was like a staged, weird event.

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<v Speaker 1>And John Denver did actually end up dying in a

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<v Speaker 1>jet plane crash in the nineties, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of speculation on whether or not he even died, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was just kind of like repurposed in some other

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<v Speaker 1>type of like classified project.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like the same thing. Even Morrison right could

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<v Speaker 2>passes through the Laural Canyon in the twenty seven Club

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<v Speaker 2>and like that's a sketchy death too, Like what a

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<v Speaker 2>great way to finish your career is Like he felt

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<v Speaker 2>like he was done and going to France supposedly for

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<v Speaker 2>a hiatus. But what a great way to just book

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<v Speaker 2>ended Bakers.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Jim Jim died at all that wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>on that trip. I mean, I think he was repurposed

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I think a lot of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>we see are just characters who are playing a role

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<v Speaker 1>in that they can get repurposed. I think they can

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<v Speaker 1>kill off a character they like, they can kill off

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<v Speaker 1>the character of Jim Morrison, sure, but the actual person

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<v Speaker 1>can be repurposed in another way. And I think, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I think maybe maybe, like, wasn't it the

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<v Speaker 1>guitarist who wrote most of the good songs anyways, like

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<v Speaker 1>light My Fire, And I think Jim Morrison wrote break

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<v Speaker 1>on Through or maybe one song. Yeah, But really, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where they were getting their music from. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't The sound of the the counterculture music scene was

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<v Speaker 1>so completely different from what was popular before that it

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<v Speaker 1>almost makes you wonder if they weren't experimenting with like

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<v Speaker 1>binural beats injunction with using psychedelic psychedelic drugs and opening

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<v Speaker 1>up parts of your mind that would expose you to

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it was that they were trying to do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, William.

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<v Speaker 2>It is do you know what's strange about the Doors?

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<v Speaker 2>Based on Huxley who wanted to create this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>psychedelic era, who invented the word psychedelic too, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Doors picks that stuff up. It's so strange, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they write this music that, you know, beyond the

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<v Speaker 2>sophistication of their years, much like the Beatles. The Beatles,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one hundred percent convinced didn't write any of their music.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming well there, Tavis Stock too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think George Martin did everything, did all the composing

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<v Speaker 2>or really was kind of like the like the director

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<v Speaker 2>of all their music.

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<v Speaker 1>Right yeah, And I mean there are people who will

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<v Speaker 1>say that, you know, the real Paul died a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago, and his character was replaced by someone else too,

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<v Speaker 1>like a look alike kind of guy replaced him, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the same guy. You can watch them with the

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<v Speaker 2>video for Strawberry Fields together. It's not their original McCartney.

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<v Speaker 1>No dude, And whoever replaced him was way taller, had

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<v Speaker 1>a different uh you know, and it would be really

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<v Speaker 1>easy to almost, you know, get a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery done to you know, tweak a futures. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can't tweak someone's height and he's way taller.

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<v Speaker 2>Eye color palette like the shape of your like the skull,

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<v Speaker 2>and the palette where your teeth are, the upper teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't do anything with that, No, they can't. Thinner

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<v Speaker 2>than the original McCartney. And also McCartney had kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a different kind of face, like he smiled a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>The original McCartney was actually I think that's why they

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<v Speaker 2>probably picked him, is because he had a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>ebulliant kind of personality, like you have, charismatic and the

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<v Speaker 2>new one doesn't like that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And whoever they replaced the real Paul with

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<v Speaker 1>was actually really talented. He could play way more instruments

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<v Speaker 1>than the first Paul, you know. And so they did

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<v Speaker 1>a good job. And the Beatles are iconic and they

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<v Speaker 1>forever will be. But the reason why people love the

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<v Speaker 1>Beatles and the reason why people love the music that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of the counterculture movement is because the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>knows what they're doing. You know, it's what do they say.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, sin feels good, you know, they get results

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<v Speaker 1>from stuff like this. It's a trap, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>trap for a reason, because it feels great to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this stuff and it you know, it sounds wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody loves it. It's it's literally a trap, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the way for culture. Culture change through music is

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<v Speaker 2>really more effective than writing. That's what people listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>The Beatles were the most effective change agents in human history.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what do you think about there? So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people speculate that the big old plane crash that

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<v Speaker 1>killed Buddy Hawley and you know, the day the music died,

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<v Speaker 1>this was big bobbery. Yeah, it was almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>ushering in of this counter culture movement because we had

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<v Speaker 1>like such a more simplistic music style with with those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was like American graffiti style, innocent type

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<v Speaker 1>of music. And then there was a plane crash, and

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<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, all these weirdos start flocking

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<v Speaker 1>to the canyon and almost overnight people are on the

420
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 1>free love train. And it just it went from from

421
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>music like Buddy Hawley kind of innocent too. If you

422
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>can't be with the one you want, then be with

423
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 1>the one you're with, and and you know, it's just

424
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of like sex, drugs, rock and roll overnight on the.

425
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 2>And within a decade, like from the beginning of the

426
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.119
<v Speaker 2>sixties to the end. It's like a radical.

427
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Change, right right. And that's when they unrolled the freaking

428
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:51.039
<v Speaker 1>serial killer program too, because we got Charlie Manson, big

429
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 1>Laurel Canyon guy. You know, Dennis Wilson had the guy

430
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>living with him and Neil Young like would sing his praises,

431
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>just loved him to death. And then you know, the

432
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Zodiac rolled out in the sixties too, and I just

433
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the two books Programmed to Kill and weird scenes inside

434
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.799
<v Speaker 1>the Canyon they dovetailed because those two things were happening

435
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. All the main big serial killers,

436
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the ones that made serial killing serial killing, that was

437
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the sixties, and the counter culture movement is the sixties,

438
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>so you know, you can't have one without the other.

439
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 1>And you know that the counter culture movement was pushing

440
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>women to be more independent and to be more free

441
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and equal to men and go be yourself and you know,

442
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 1>go your own way. And as soon as they did that,

443
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 1>there was serial killers like Ted Bundy that was killing them.

444
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>So it was very counterintuitive because Ted Ted was in

445
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 1>the late sixties early seventies, wasn't it.

446
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the exact dates. I'd have to look

447
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:11.359
<v Speaker 2>it up.

448
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm pretty sure, pretty sure it's.

449
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Part of the serial killer rise, there's no question about it.

450
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>And so they're telling these women to go out and

451
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 1>be free and independent and you know, be by themselves,

452
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and then they send people like like Ted Bundy out

453
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 1>there to kill them. So it's just what I fucking

454
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:36.279
<v Speaker 1>tell Oh sorry, but what a time to be alive.

455
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:41.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's many, many programs going on at the

456
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:47.799
<v Speaker 1>same time. And I do have the list pulled up here.

457
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Bundy's sixty nine to seventy five.

458
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so like the very last of the sixties

459
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>going into the seventies. I mean, it's crazy. And so

460
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I have this this list here from Dave's blog, So

461
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>if anybody wants to fact check me, they're totally fine

462
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>to do that because you can find it right there

463
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 1>in the blog. But it's part three of Dave's blog

464
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 1>on the Laurel Canyon, And yeah, you could probably pull

465
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>it up right here. So yeah, Marina Elizabeth Habe. And

466
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>by the way, before I even get started on this

467
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>death list here, this is the same in and around

468
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the same area where the Black Dahlia was murdered many

469
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.799
<v Speaker 1>years earlier. And you get to start looking into the

470
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Hodel family and they're all the way messed up. Are

471
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you familiar with like George Hodell.

472
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I've listened to those interviews with his son.

473
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, good good. I think he has a podcast

474
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:00.759
<v Speaker 1>or something where he talked.

475
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>As he did he did a book and then I

476
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>think he was a guest on a lot of people.

477
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>But maybe he has a podcast. I'm not aware of it.

478
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it seems very ritualistic, and it seems like

479
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:16.599
<v Speaker 1>the Hodel family was incestuous, just like John Phillips and

480
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and the rest of them.

481
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it's confirmed like his daughter, the guy was

482
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 2>a sex weird of bother.

483
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Now, this first one that at lists here, Marina Elizabeth Habe.

484
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>It reminded me of the black Dahlia. But she wasn't

485
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>cut up or anything but her body well so she

486
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't dissected, I should say, but she was carved

487
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 1>up and then she was tossed into the heavy brush

488
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:50.519
<v Speaker 1>along Maholland Drive. And if anybody is a David Lynch

489
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>fan out there, there is uh Maholland Drive. Are you

490
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>familiar with David Lynch at all?

491
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

492
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did yesterday, So shout out to uh, David Lynch.

493
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>But Maholland Drive is a cool movie if you want

494
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to just you know, have some Laurel Kenyon esque kind

495
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>of horror type movie. But yeah, so so this Marina

496
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>was tossed out on the halland Drive. She was carved up.

497
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 1>It was very black Dahlia esque, and of course her

498
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>murderer was never found, so they just chalked that one

499
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>up to the Laurel Canyon body list. And then it

500
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>says Christine Hinton was killed in a head on collision

501
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 1>and at the time, Hinton was a girlfriend of David Crosby. Uh,

502
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:44.559
<v Speaker 1>and you know she was also the daughter of a

503
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:54.359
<v Speaker 1>career Army officer stationed at the Presidio base and Courtland Crosby,

504
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>right right, So Crosby himself is could be a whole

505
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 1>episode just talking about him, But like, I think that's

506
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 1>interesting that one of his first girls there is part

507
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.799
<v Speaker 1>of the Laurel Canyon death list. Then it just says

508
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Jane Doe fifty nine found dumped into the heavy undergrowth

509
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>of Laurel Canyon November nineteen sixty nine, and it says

510
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>within sight of where, uh, what's her name? Marina Habe

511
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>had been dumped less than a year earlier, and she

512
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 1>had been stabbed one hundred and fifty seven times in

513
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the chest and throat. So this goes beyond like somebody

514
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>getting stabbed once or shot or suffocated. I mean, for me,

515
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to stab somebody one hundred and fifty

516
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 1>seven times in the chest and throat, we're talking about

517
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 1>this goes beyond you know, a drug deal gone wrong

518
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 1>or prostitute, you know, prostitution or something like that. And

519
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 1>then it's uh Alan blind Owl Wilson from Canned Heat.

520
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>He was supposedly a suicide o D. But I believe,

521
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of the ones that they rule suicide

522
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 1>o d's, they're usually not suicides at all, kind of

523
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.799
<v Speaker 1>like Hunter S. Thompson. I don't think he committed suicide either.

524
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, Jeffrey Epstein didn't commit suicide, you know,

525
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 1>you name it, who else, Janis Joplin. I don't think

526
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>these people are committing suicide at all. And then, of

527
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>course Jimmy Hendrix is on the list, and there is

528
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 1>a ton of information on the blog in regards to

529
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hendricks. Are you pretty certain he's this.

530
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Eased, or I would say Hendricks was murdered. I think, okay.

531
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I talked to Brad Driver about it. He read a

532
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.799
<v Speaker 2>book about the twenty seventh Club and like somebody gave

533
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>him an incredible amount overdose, like just a deadly leaf

534
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:01.559
<v Speaker 2>overdose at Barbet.

535
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Agree with that. I do know that there there is

536
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>a theory that floats around that Jimmy Hendrix is is

537
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Morgan Freeman, but I don't. I don't see it myself,

538
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>and I could be wrong, I guess, but I do

539
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>think he was murdered and he is a part of

540
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the twenty seven Club. And even the next person on

541
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the list after Jimmy Hendrix is of course Jim Morrison,

542
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 1>which I don't think that he died, but he was

543
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>involved in the occult. It says it right here on

544
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 1>the blog. He had a fondness for the work of

545
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Aleister Crowley. His dad, uh you know, started the Tonkin

546
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.519
<v Speaker 1>golf incident and the Vietnam War ensued afterwards. I mean,

547
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 1>talk about someone who is just totally enmeshed in the

548
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 1>in the fabric of the Laurel Canyon. Is this guy?

549
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Did you watch the movie what's his name? Val Kilmer?

550
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>The doors the doors.

551
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't don't you think like it would have It would

552
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 1>make an even cooler movie to tell the real story

553
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>about Jim Morrison, Like his dad was a CIA guy. Like,

554
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I think that would make a better movie.

555
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. I mean his dad was a

556
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 2>four star admirable admiral. I mean I thought he wasn't

557
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 2>a chump. So it is interesting, like his background.

558
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>But they love to sell the narrative though, you know,

559
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>like he was just an outlaw rock and roll just

560
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 1>went rogue and it just for me. I don't think

561
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>it was really like that. I think the story is

562
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>is quite different from what they sell us.

563
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he underwent some kind of personality change very rapidly.

564
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.559
<v Speaker 2>If you see some of his early teen pictures, he

565
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 2>looks like a kid from the fifties, clean cut.

566
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

567
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

568
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 1>He was also good friends with Jay Sebring, who died

569
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 1>in the Tate murders. So I mean they're all in

570
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>mesh together. It was a tiny scene. I know. It

571
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>seems like when when people talk about the Laurel Canyon,

572
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 1>like it was just this vast, expanding, you know area,

573
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and and but they were it was tight. It was

574
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 1>close knit. They had parties at each other's houses. They

575
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.039
<v Speaker 1>were all friends. Uh you know, Mama Cass's house was

576
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 1>a big hangout spot. Sharon Tate used to go there.

577
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>They used to you know, do drugs and listen to music.

578
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, they knew each other. Roman Polanski, now I

579
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know how much you know about about weird stuff

580
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 1>with Roman Polanski, but he was involved in the processed Church.

581
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Sharon had some weird fling with with

582
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>uh Seabring and there was a weird love trying triangle

583
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>going on. And when the police went through the house

584
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 1>after the Tate murders, they found stuff like with with

585
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>people coming over to the Tate house and running train

586
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 1>on Sharon and people just taking turns on her. And

587
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>he was filming all of this. There was like wife

588
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.679
<v Speaker 1>swapping stuff, and you know, you look at Rosemary's baby

589
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and and it just to me, there isn't you can't

590
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 1>cover enough stuff about the Laurel Canyon. It's like once

591
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you open one door, you can go like a hundred

592
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 1>different ways with it. And and I think, like I

593
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>said before, it's just all interconnected and weird.

594
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>And she was before Polanski, so they.

595
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Were right Now do you think that they that so

596
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Sharon Tate's dad was was an intelligence asset to right? Yeah?

597
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 1>And so do you think that that was an inside

598
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 1>job that or because it clearly wasn't just Charlie Manson

599
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 1>went k and a bunch of people showed up to

600
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 1>the house and killed him. I I that's the last

601
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 1>possibility on the list for me.

602
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that they were like Ed Sanders did a

603
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of research. He was on site at the Manson

604
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>trials and things like that, and in connection with you know,

605
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 2>talking to Maury Terry and all the stuff. But I

606
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.320
<v Speaker 2>think that he had the best take, which they were

607
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 2>paid hits. For some reason, both Tate had to go

608
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 2>or somebody at that house had to go. I think

609
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Sharon Tate was not supposed to be there, so I

610
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 2>think that they made it. May have tried to get

611
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody else at that house. And then the other hit

612
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 2>that happened the night after the Italian guy and LaBianca. Yeahbypreneurs,

613
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>they're made to look like a cult hits. But I

614
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>think there was money paid, and I think that they

615
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 2>had evidence that there was some kind of transference money

616
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 2>bag that they had which was very rare for them

617
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>who were like living out of garbage cans and things

618
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 2>like that, right, And I think Charlie never disclosed it.

619
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I think he just kept his mouth shut about his

620
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 2>criminal He had the criminal ethos of keeping your mouth shut.

621
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>And he's an occultist, full on new you know, scientologists

622
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>and member of the OTO, probably through the Solar Temple,

623
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>so he knew the secret societies and all that stuff.

624
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.760
<v Speaker 2>And he was a clear scientologist, so he had gone

625
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:35.199
<v Speaker 2>through all of scientology. Doesn't disclose that. He actually he

626
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 2>knew hypnotism too, by the way, Yes, people don't know that.

627
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So he famously hypnotized this Latino actor or whatever his

628
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 2>name is, is it Eddie Lopez or something like that, Oh,

629
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Danny Treo. There's a video online of Danny Treo saying

630
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>he got in jail was hypnotized by Charles Manson. So

631
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that he knew how to mind control his

632
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 2>whole squad. He was like Daniels for sure.

633
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what they they were doing at the

634
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Spawn movie ranch. They had like a military style set

635
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 1>up at the Spawn movie Ranch. It wasn't like hippie dippy,

636
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, smoking weed and sitting around playing the guitar.

637
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:15.679
<v Speaker 1>They they had like dune buggies and like guns and

638
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>and and you know it was it was like a

639
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 1>military compound. So god only knows what he was really

640
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>up to. And that Lino Loabianca guy. Uh, he was

641
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>involved with like mobster type stuff. And he owed like

642
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.719
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty dollars in gambling debts and they

643
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.039
<v Speaker 1>like to leave that out of the story too.

644
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they leave that out. He was also very wealthy.

645
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 2>He was a millionaire. So how was this guy with seck?

646
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I think he was like his cover was a grocer

647
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, right, Like, I think he had

648
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a grosser. But how do you make that much money

649
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 2>when you're selling fruits and vegetables.

650
00:40:56.440 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make it right. So they say it well,

651
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.159
<v Speaker 1>and they like to go with the random acts of

652
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>violence to terrify people. But it's it seems more the

653
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>more you look into it, the least likely scenarios. It

654
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:18.639
<v Speaker 1>was a random act of violence targeted. Yeah, yeah, but

655
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 1>even oh sorry, go.

656
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Ahead, well with Manson as the kingpin, Manson directly right

657
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.760
<v Speaker 2>going in there, like Manson went into Lobiyanca and tied

658
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:29.519
<v Speaker 2>them up and then sent the other guys in there

659
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and said do your deed. And it is interesting, like

660
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>full on a cult like they leave Another thing out

661
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 2>of the Labyanca killing is that when they wrote war

662
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 2>and like literally wrote it into the skin of his wife,

663
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Lobianca's wife, they wrote it like a it's in a

664
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Masonic up and down so like almost.

665
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Like a right, uh, what do you call it?

666
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Ruler? What do they call it?

667
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 1>The ruler and the square encompass? Yeah? Yeah. And then

668
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 1>there was that Arles Perry, who was they said they

669
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 1>thought could have been a Manson disciple that killed her.

670
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>And she had the same insignia carved into her, so

671
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:16.159
<v Speaker 1>she had she.

672
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Had something laid out on her body like that with

673
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 2>this with this compass.

674
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, it was her wasn't Wasn't it her pants? Yes,

675
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>they had arranged her legs and then put her pants

676
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 1>so it looked like this.

677
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>It was an arranged murder, like a full on a

678
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Colt murder. Really not really too. That's seventy four. That's

679
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 2>how the Ultimate Evil starts out.

680
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

681
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 2>But one of the interesting things, like I were talking

682
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 2>to Dana Dudo and stuff like that, is that these

683
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 2>two guys are in contact with each other more Itarry

684
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 2>and Sanders are like buddies. And like when Sanders wrote

685
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:52.679
<v Speaker 2>his book about Sharon Tate, he mentioned Mary Terry multiple times,

686
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.519
<v Speaker 2>like they're in contact. And Maury Terry had some really

687
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Speaker 2>interesting information I came across recently on an X post

688
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 2>is like Hubbard's a member of the OTO, like confirmed

689
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>member according to Marey Terry. So these are like huge.

690
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Things really, And he has that book, The Ultimate Evil, right,

691
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a good one if people want to read

692
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.679
<v Speaker 1>another kind of like Program to Kill but not mar

693
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Terry's Ultimate Evil is really good. And I was going

694
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.559
<v Speaker 1>to say something about Charles Manson, but it's slipping my

695
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:27.320
<v Speaker 1>mind now.

696
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting how all these things are overlapping, like

697
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 2>just these massive murders and deaths. And oh, for sure,

698
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Chris Perry was seventy four. Are Alistair Crowley's birthday right

699
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy four?

700
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right.

701
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 2>He's running around killing people.

702
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think that is true.

703
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>The process under you know, is happening. The Sons of

704
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Sam's seventy.

705
00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.639
<v Speaker 1>And Zodiac zodiac Is is a big one around that

706
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 1>time too, Tony and even we hadn't even gone over

707
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like all the people on the this Laurel Canyon death list,

708
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>but a lot of them are connected too, because like

709
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>this next one, Brandon deWilde, a good friend of David

710
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Crosby and Graham Parsons, was killed in a freak accident

711
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:25.320
<v Speaker 1>in Colorado, Colorado, July sixth, nineteen seventy two. So another

712
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>So we've got David Crosby's girlfriend and one of his

713
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>good friends dying, you know, within a close time frame. Uh.

714
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Christine Furka, she was a governess for Moon Zappa. I

715
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:49.280
<v Speaker 1>believe she. Uh, I want to say, I looked into

716
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>this a little bit more and she either overheard something

717
00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:01.760
<v Speaker 1>or saw something and then she died kind of shortly thereafter.

718
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Because there were stories that that Frank Zappa would have

719
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 1>like naked parties with his kids and like take showers

720
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 1>with him and do weird stuff and like have his

721
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>friends come over and be naked around the kids. So

722
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>for me, I really a number of things could have happened.

723
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:19.360
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

724
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>They say that it was a drug overdose, but you know,

725
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.159
<v Speaker 1>that's like saying nothing to me. If somebody, oh, she

726
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 1>died of a drug over Okay, sure, to me, that's

727
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.400
<v Speaker 1>just like an easy out. Oh well, they overdosed, you know,

728
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:35.679
<v Speaker 1>nothing to see here.

729
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Is a stone cold, croly lover by the way, I

730
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know if people know. Oh really he's identified as

731
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:48.480
<v Speaker 2>a Felomite and all these other characters. Yeah, look at

732
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.519
<v Speaker 2>his Look at his music. It's all like, you know,

733
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>horrus and all this other stuff. Like he died in

734
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 2>a curious death too, but yeah he did.

735
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 1>He's a actually on this list somewhere.

736
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Then. I think that they gave him some kind of

737
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 2>like ac cult SoundOff in nineteen seventy.

738
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Three, didn't they steal his body and drive it to

739
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like Joshua Tree or something, and they burnt it on

740
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.320
<v Speaker 1>a solstice, like the summer solstice or something. Yeah, so

741
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like stuff like this. This is the Laurel Kenyon

742
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.920
<v Speaker 1>body count right here. Like it's all weird stuff, even

743
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:26.519
<v Speaker 1>like this next one. Danny Whitman, guitarist, vocalist and songwriter

744
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>with Neil Young's sometime band Crazy Horse, died of an

745
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 1>overdose on November eighteenth, nineteen seventy two. Another overdose death,

746
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Berry Roady for Crosby Stills A. Nash died of

747
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 1>a heroin overdose June nineteen seventy three. Clarence White, guitarists

748
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 1>with the Birds, run over by a drunk driver on

749
00:46:53.639 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 1>July fourteenth, nineteen seventy three. And then it says the

750
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>driver who killed him. Oh where does it say at

751
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.119
<v Speaker 1>least one of White's immediate family members was employed at

752
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Edward's Air Force Base. Okay, so apparently this guy who

753
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 1>was a guitarist with the Birds he had military connections

754
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 1>as well. Then, of course, as you were saying, Graham

755
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Parsons and Dave gives us a ton of information here

756
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>on that, and he died in nineteen seventy three. But

757
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 1>if you read this whole thing, it's like I said,

758
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:48.599
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have time to read the book, at

759
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:53.360
<v Speaker 1>least go back and read this blog, because he kind

760
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 1>of just gives you enough information to give you the

761
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>gist of things and the connection with these guys he's

762
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 1>talking about in the first paragraph here how they took

763
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 1>his body to Jogwood Tree on September nineteenth, nineteen seventy three.

764
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 1>So I guess it was like the fall equinox and

765
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 1>they burnt him up the automal equinoxy. Yup, it's right there.

766
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>And he was allegedly overdosed on a speedball at the

767
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Joshua Tree Inn. Graham Parsons very cult and the next

768
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:36.199
<v Speaker 1>one right under that is Mama cass Now, this one

769
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.840
<v Speaker 1>is interesting to me and William you can tell me

770
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 1>what you think. But it says she choked on a

771
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 1>ham sandwich. Yeah, and I just I don't I'm not

772
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 1>buying that because she was like one of those kingpins

773
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:05.199
<v Speaker 1>in the whole Laurel Canyon and scene. And she was

774
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:10.599
<v Speaker 1>in the home of Harry Nilsen in London the night

775
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 1>that she died. And they say that she she got

776
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 1>choked on ham sandwich. I for me personally, I think

777
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>that's humiliating because they always made fun of her for

778
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 1>being overweight, and maybe she stepped on some toes and

779
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 1>and she she got killed and they were like, oh,

780
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 1>we'll say she big fat lady. She died choking on

781
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 1>a ham sandwich. It's like a humiliation ritual almost, like

782
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>who wants to go down like that?

783
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Nobody. But she might have known too much, you know.

784
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Right right.

785
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Crazy?

786
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the charts right in the blog here Dave's put

787
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 1>under Mama Cassie said she probably died knowing where too

788
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>many of the bodies.

789
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Were buried, makes perfect sense.

790
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then we have Amy Gossage, Graham Nash's girlfriend at

791
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the time, murdered in her San Francisco home on February thirteenth,

792
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy five. She'd been stabbed nearly fifty times and

793
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:22.400
<v Speaker 1>was bludgeoned beyond recognition. So with a guy that's into

794
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:26.119
<v Speaker 1>all this this occulted stuff, like you were saying, Graham Parsons,

795
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.679
<v Speaker 1>like look what they did with his body and his

796
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:35.440
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend ritualistically murdered, stabbed fifty times and bludgeoned beyond recognition,

797
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Like how come more people aren't talking about that one?

798
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 1>You know?

799
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Right?

800
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>And again, the murderers are never found in these cases.

801
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 1>They are either suicides or their drug overdoses or their

802
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 1>cold cases. Nobody, nobody's paying for the crimes in these

803
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:05.000
<v Speaker 1>There is no like justice. It just all kind of

804
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.519
<v Speaker 1>gets It's like the Black Dahlia. They even took George

805
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Hodell to trial for an incest trial and they said

806
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>he was the main suspect in the Black Dahlia murder.

807
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And what does he do, Like he doesn't he like

808
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.320
<v Speaker 1>run off or something.

809
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 2>He went to Japan or something.

810
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Like, Right, yeah, so it's like they don't even have

811
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to pay for their crimes. Really, it's just it's all who.

812
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's Chinatown, baby, that's right. Chinatown seventy four

813
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.320
<v Speaker 2>to two comes out right around this time. All these

814
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 2>people are dying.

815
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh is that that Amy Gossage one or seventy five?

816
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.199
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, if you black Dahlia I think was

817
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.360
<v Speaker 2>in the fifties or something. I think it was one

818
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 2>of the early crimes. But these I mean, I'm just saying,

819
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.840
<v Speaker 2>like Chinatown comes out around all these people dying strangely.

820
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, right right. And then the next one on

821
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 1>the list, Phyllis made Brown, wife of singer songwriter Jackson Brown,

822
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>reportedly overdosed on barbituates March twenty fifth, nineteen seventy six,

823
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.679
<v Speaker 1>and she was just thirty years old. They ruled it

824
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.559
<v Speaker 1>a suicide. But Jackson Brown another one like John Denver

825
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:21.079
<v Speaker 1>that people don't group in with the Laurel Canyon scene,

826
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:25.159
<v Speaker 1>but he definitely was. His dad was in the OSS,

827
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 1>which was the precursor to the CIA, so he's got

828
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 1>connections for sure. And then Bobby Fuller, singer songwriter guitars

829
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:40.679
<v Speaker 1>for the Bobby Fuller four was found dead in his

830
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 1>car near Grauman's Chinese Theater on July eighteenth, nineteen sixty six,

831
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 1>after being lured away from his home by a mysterious

832
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 1>two to three am phone call of unknown origin. So again,

833
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.960
<v Speaker 1>nobody goes down for this stuff. It says there were

834
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 1>multiple cuts and bruises on his face, chest, shoulders, dried

835
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.800
<v Speaker 1>blood around his mouth, a hairline fractured to his right hand.

836
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.280
<v Speaker 1>So he clearly went down fighting.

837
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.440
<v Speaker 2>But he was in the midst of a big contract

838
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to dispute with his record label. Yeah, so somebody might

839
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 2>have had an interest. Well, you know, there's a lot

840
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 2>of stories about guys who want out of their contracts

841
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 2>with record labels who suspiciously end up dead.

842
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't that Sam Cook.

843
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>To Cobaine contract. All these guys are in fights, and

844
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.199
<v Speaker 2>weird that they show up dead and then people it's

845
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.559
<v Speaker 2>weird too because a lot of the people who are

846
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.280
<v Speaker 2>there in contract disputes say, oh, yeah, of course they

847
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:53.079
<v Speaker 2>committed suicide. This isn't suspicious. What do you mean suspicious?

848
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:54.320
<v Speaker 2>This isn't suspicious.

849
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Even what did they say about Sam Cook? Like he

850
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.119
<v Speaker 1>want wanted the rights to all of his songs and

851
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 1>then he was found in a hotel room overdosed or

852
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 1>something like that. So I mean, it's just it wasn't

853
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.559
<v Speaker 1>it a rent No, that was the eighties. I was

854
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna say John Belushi was found in the Hotel Marmont

855
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.119
<v Speaker 1>overdosed on something. And I never thought that one sounded

856
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:22.400
<v Speaker 1>right to me either, But that was way later. That

857
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 1>was the eighties, I believe. But the Chateau Marmont is

858
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 1>in the uh maybe not Laurel Canyon area, but it's

859
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 1>it's kind.

860
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Of I think it's actually a stone strow from the

861
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 2>road into Laurel Canyon.

862
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it close to sunset? Yeah? Okay, right right, yeah,

863
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 1>so in in uh well, I'll get into that in

864
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a second. But the the Chateau Marmont, you know, you

865
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:59.639
<v Speaker 1>got people like Anton Levey showing up Tuesday Weld is

866
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 1>an other big witch in my opinion, and she shows

867
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:08.599
<v Speaker 1>up to Chateau Marmont. I do believe that Hotel California

868
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 1>may have been about the Chateau Marmont, but that's just

869
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.960
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, you know. And that's another Laurel Canyon esque

870
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:22.880
<v Speaker 1>with the Eagles around that same time with the counterculture stuff.

871
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:29.639
<v Speaker 1>But on the next on the death list. Gary Henman, musician,

872
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 1>music teacher, part time chemist, brutally murdered in his Tepega

873
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Canyon home on July twenty seventh, nineteen sixty nine. They

874
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:46.639
<v Speaker 1>convicted Bobby Boslet from the Manson family for this one.

875
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Boselet could be his own episode with all the

876
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff with him and the occultist filmmaker Kenneth Anger.

877
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 1>A lot of weird stuff with Bobby Boselet, a lot of.

878
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Weird stuff in the canyon too, in the canyon.

879
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 1>And then they do list Janis Stoplin heroin overdose October fourth,

880
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:15.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy Landmark Hotel as part of the Laurel Canyon

881
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.599
<v Speaker 1>death list. And I already mentioned her earlier. I do

882
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 1>not think that she committed suicide. She was actually doing

883
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 1>really good. They said she was doing the best she

884
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 1>ever had been. She died at the age of twenty seven.

885
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 1>She's another twenty seven club member. She was engaged to

886
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>be married. They said, she was, you know, doing great,

887
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that they were super surprised that she would have done

888
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 1>something like that. And if you were to look at

889
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:46.159
<v Speaker 1>her situation, it's very very similar to Marilyn Monroe. They said,

890
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that right before Monroe quote unquote committed suicide, that she

891
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 1>was at the top of her game, that she was

892
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic about the future, she was, you know, working on

893
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of projects, had no reason to do it.

894
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.639
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I've covered Marylyn length that she there's

895
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 1>no way she could have killed herself, even if you

896
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 1>just look at the science and the autopsy findings, it's

897
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.559
<v Speaker 1>just absolutely you can't even argue with me. There's no

898
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 1>way that she killed herself. And I think it's it's

899
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.519
<v Speaker 1>similar with Janis I just for whatever reason, whether you

900
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>want to call it Faustian bargain or what have you,

901
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 1>she's she's on the twenty seven club, and I don't

902
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you, William, but I don't think

903
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:27.119
<v Speaker 1>she killed herself.

904
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't trust a lot of these looking back, I

905
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:32.719
<v Speaker 2>mean these cover stories, and there's so many things that

906
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.239
<v Speaker 2>go on under the scenes, jealousies and personal animosities and

907
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.519
<v Speaker 2>things like that. Like I've done the story Bombshell, where

908
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know rfk's in town and she's has

909
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:46.320
<v Speaker 2>a relationship with RFK and JFK at that time, it

910
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.480
<v Speaker 2>would have been much more scandalous than it is today

911
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.039
<v Speaker 2>if it came out right, So there's an incentive in

912
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the la police back then, we're far more conservative than

913
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.000
<v Speaker 2>they are today, and you can see that in the

914
00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 2>JFK murder on sixty eight as well.

915
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one hundred and then I guess next on the

916
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>list we have Dwayne Almond. Barry Oakley, lead guitarist and

917
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.599
<v Speaker 1>bass player for the Almon Brothers, were killed in a

918
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 1>freakishly similar motorcycle crash on October twenty ninth, nineteen seventy one,

919
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 1>and November eleventh, nineteen seventy two. So I guess both

920
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:29.480
<v Speaker 1>of them, Dwayne Almond and Barry Oakley were killed in

921
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:34.360
<v Speaker 1>freakishly similar motorcycle crashes almost a year apart from each other,

922
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.519
<v Speaker 1>and you know they're they're part of the Laurel Canyon

923
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 1>death list. Then we got Phil Oaks, folk singer, songwriter

924
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and political activists, found hanged in his sister's home in

925
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Far Rockaway, New York on April ninth, nineteen seventy six.

926
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>And Phil Oaks is actually a really interesting guy and

927
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:06.599
<v Speaker 1>he has some kind of a weird connection and you

928
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.280
<v Speaker 1>guys need to go back and read all this stuff

929
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 1>on the blog, but he has some kind of a

930
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:15.400
<v Speaker 1>weird connection to the serial killer slash cult leader Gary Heidnick.

931
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.760
<v Speaker 1>They both went to like the same military academy and

932
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 1>phil I mean, you guys, this is why I say,

933
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.320
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna dive into the Laurel Canyon, just be

934
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.840
<v Speaker 1>prepared to go on like a million different tangents.

935
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:34.119
<v Speaker 2>But like.

936
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Gary Heidnick is mentioned in Programmed to Kill at a

937
00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:47.239
<v Speaker 1>decent length, but he somehow is connected with this military

938
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:51.840
<v Speaker 1>academy that phil Oakes went to. And you know, phil

939
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Oaks is supposedly he got like electro shock therapy and

940
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff and he was you know, it's just weird. And

941
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.119
<v Speaker 1>if you even look right here in these notes that

942
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.119
<v Speaker 1>McGowan kind of gives you try to give you some

943
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.760
<v Speaker 1>general information about phil Oaks. It goes on for some

944
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>length and at the end of it, right here, he's

945
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:21.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about Esterbrooks. And we talked about Esterbrooks on our

946
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>last episode together, about the hypnotism and such, and I

947
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:32.199
<v Speaker 1>think that plays a part in the Charles Manson stuff too,

948
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 1>with the hypnotism.

949
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.440
<v Speaker 2>And before I'll say it again, hypnotism is the resetta

950
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.559
<v Speaker 2>stone of the twentieth century. It's everywhere mass formation.

951
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we agree on that.

952
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.280
<v Speaker 2>It shows up MK ultra the core. All these assassins,

953
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 2>they're actually not assassins. They're all these Patsy's are hypnotized

954
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:56.559
<v Speaker 2>even up to the present day. All the stuff these

955
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:01.480
<v Speaker 2>guys weird dudes after, like you know, from Mangioni himself,

956
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Like when you see people who go in for like

957
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:07.239
<v Speaker 2>treatments or surgeries and they're in there too long, so

958
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that's when you have to kind of go, oh, this

959
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:11.519
<v Speaker 2>is very strange.

960
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, what do you think about Princess Kate because kind

961
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of going back to Roman polaine Ski, she wore like

962
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:27.719
<v Speaker 1>this Rosemary's Baby type outfit and then she got put

963
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.840
<v Speaker 1>in the hospital for like an undetermined amount of time

964
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.320
<v Speaker 1>and she had cancer but that she didn't have cancer,

965
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and it was just all weird. And then I guess

966
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:39.039
<v Speaker 1>she is she still in there or did they run

967
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:41.639
<v Speaker 1>her out? Or I mean, this is the kind of

968
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we're talking about.

969
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Though.

970
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:44.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like when they go in and they don't come

971
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.559
<v Speaker 1>back out and they won't really be clear with you

972
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 1>what's going on, you gotta start to kind of wonder, you.

973
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Know, no question, like she what the heck's the story?

974
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.719
<v Speaker 2>I saw her with William the Future King, supposedly with her.

975
01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:59.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a double It wasn't her, somebody very similar to

976
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:03.800
<v Speaker 2>were And then they had that AI thing where the

977
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.599
<v Speaker 2>background flowers didn't move, there's no there's wind in certain things,

978
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.480
<v Speaker 2>and then the other things there. It's obviously stage. So

979
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:11.760
<v Speaker 2>where is she and what's going on.

980
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Staged? And something else that I was talking about with

981
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:23.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, Nick from the Occult Rejects podcasts, So we

982
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:26.880
<v Speaker 1>were talking about this last night and and the uh

983
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Lookout Mountain Laboratory came up because uh, they were they

984
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:37.320
<v Speaker 1>were supposedly filming like test footage or something there, but

985
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:43.360
<v Speaker 1>they ended up making like thousands of classified films at

986
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.159
<v Speaker 1>this place. And you had to have top secret clearance

987
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:50.920
<v Speaker 1>to get into the place, and people like Frank Sinatra,

988
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe, presidents, I mean there, the list was crazy,

989
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.159
<v Speaker 1>the of the people who had top secret clearance to

990
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:03.480
<v Speaker 1>get into this joker. And it's located right in the

991
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:08.199
<v Speaker 1>freaking center of the Laurel Canyon. And I spoke with

992
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:14.400
<v Speaker 1>an SRA survivor. Her name was doctor Juliet Engel, and

993
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:18.119
<v Speaker 1>she said she remembers being taken to a place that

994
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 1>she described being like either it was the Lookout Mountain

995
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Laboratory or a similar site, and they were filming snuff films.

996
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Very clearly that's what they were using these places for.

997
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.400
<v Speaker 1>But there is, of course, like a mainstream narrative, Oh,

998
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:41.679
<v Speaker 1>we're we're filming test footage for you know this or that,

999
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and they have like a mainstream narrative of what they're

1000
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.519
<v Speaker 1>doing at these places. But then you know, you take

1001
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 1>a look at the people who are on the classified

1002
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.920
<v Speaker 1>list to get in there, and it's like celebrities and

1003
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:58.960
<v Speaker 1>political people, presidents, and so you wonder, like, what are

1004
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.920
<v Speaker 1>they really doing in there? And just by chance, I

1005
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.159
<v Speaker 1>find this SRA survivor and she's talking about going to

1006
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.679
<v Speaker 1>a place in California. It sounds just like the Lookout Malaboratory,

1007
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and she's talking about how they film snuff films in there.

1008
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So I can only take her at her word for that.

1009
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.079
<v Speaker 1>She's written books and she's been interviewed several times. I

1010
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:26.880
<v Speaker 1>personally believe what she's saying is the truth, and I

1011
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:29.679
<v Speaker 1>don't see why she'd have any reason to lie about it.

1012
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's pretty humiliating some of the stuff that

1013
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 1>these people go through. I wouldn't want to lie about it,

1014
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.760
<v Speaker 1>so you know, take you could take that at face value,

1015
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 1>but there's stuff going on in the Laurel Canyon that

1016
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll never see the light of day. And even to

1017
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:47.800
<v Speaker 1>this day, it sounds like with this house burning down.

1018
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Rothchild like rothchild eir like literally, I mean, this

1019
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:56.119
<v Speaker 2>is the link right here. This is November twenty eighth,

1020
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, so it's not that LONGO A couple

1021
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Speaker 2>of months? Yeah, sketchy, don't you know he's dead? I

1022
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.960
<v Speaker 2>don't think there that story hit the the TV here

1023
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and then disappeared. I don't think there's a follow up

1024
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.440
<v Speaker 2>or like, you know, a homeless person has found who

1025
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:13.000
<v Speaker 2>killed a roth Child? Like, they're probably not supposed to

1026
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:13.800
<v Speaker 2>find who did.

1027
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:17.760
<v Speaker 1>It, right, so it's just some random almost person.

1028
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Whatever, I mean, something who knows if they want to

1029
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:23.039
<v Speaker 2>find somebody to blame, you know, but it's probably right.

1030
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But one of.

1031
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.280
<v Speaker 2>The interesting things about Laurel Canyon is a lot of

1032
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 2>people don't know. It's kind of like one way in.

1033
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:34.760
<v Speaker 2>There's like one road in and one one road out,

1034
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:39.039
<v Speaker 2>so it's very hard to get it.

1035
01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:45.320
<v Speaker 1>It's secluded for sure, and people like so the main

1036
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.599
<v Speaker 1>place that everybody kind of flocked to was the log

1037
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Cabin as it's called Frank Zappa's home, and it's, you know,

1038
01:05:55.079 --> 01:06:00.079
<v Speaker 1>currently or was formerly owned by Jared Leto. So so

1039
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:04.440
<v Speaker 1>if you look into that guy, I mean, geez O Pete,

1040
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:08.199
<v Speaker 1>he could be his own episode even And I don't know,

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01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just think it's like these places have

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01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:16.239
<v Speaker 1>some type of significance. That's why famous people want to

1043
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:20.440
<v Speaker 1>buy these places and be around these places. And at

1044
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the time when all these musicians were flocking to the Canyon,

1045
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:28.679
<v Speaker 1>there was no music scene there. There was literally no

1046
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:33.880
<v Speaker 1>reason whatsoever for these people to be flocking to this place.

1047
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:40.599
<v Speaker 1>The major music centers were in New York and maybe Detroit,

1048
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:47.199
<v Speaker 1>and in Nashville or Memphis. That's like Elvis Presley was Memphis,

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01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:51.679
<v Speaker 1>and kind of I've talked to Sean mccannon from the

1050
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Wake the Dead podcast about this before, but Nashville and

1051
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Memphis kind of have their own Laurel Canyon situation going on.

1052
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.719
<v Speaker 1>But that's where the sinners for music were there. It

1053
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:08.159
<v Speaker 1>wasn't in this part of California. So it almost makes

1054
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you wonder why and how these people somehow knew about

1055
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.960
<v Speaker 1>it and all flocked there at the same time and

1056
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.920
<v Speaker 1>got started around the same time. And then the Vietnam

1057
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:24.559
<v Speaker 1>War just happens to break out, and this this gave

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01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:29.000
<v Speaker 1>birth to this counter culture movement, which all the leaders

1059
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of the counter culture movement's fathers were in the military.

1060
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Soil William.

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01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like the who was in some kind

1062
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:44.440
<v Speaker 2>of like American aristocracy or from a rich family like

1063
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Abigail Folger. Yeah, Crosby van Cortland Park, which is connected

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01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:57.199
<v Speaker 2>to the sons of Sam. Actually, yes, very strange. I

1065
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.199
<v Speaker 2>mean it's incredible, and I mean it's incredible that, uh,

1066
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.960
<v Speaker 2>that McGowan keyed into it so well, so many interesting

1067
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.000
<v Speaker 2>things and willing to talk about mind control and some

1068
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:08.480
<v Speaker 2>of these other programs which we're just getting more and

1069
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.519
<v Speaker 2>more information, Like there's more and more people putting together

1070
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:13.679
<v Speaker 2>more and more connections that.

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01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like we were saying at the beginning

1072
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:21.239
<v Speaker 1>of this episode, and you got like a signed copy

1073
01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of this book. We don't even know how valuable this

1074
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:27.359
<v Speaker 1>information will be even in a few years from now.

1075
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Like just more stuff keeps coming out, and it all

1076
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.119
<v Speaker 1>starts with the Canyon and it all kind of circles

1077
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.840
<v Speaker 1>around California and it's just it's just weird. I mean,

1078
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:41.800
<v Speaker 1>we were talking at before we started recording about how

1079
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:44.960
<v Speaker 1>beautiful California can be. You know, it's not like it's

1080
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:49.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like a horrible place to live, but it just

1081
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:51.520
<v Speaker 1>seems like when you when you look at like this,

1082
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.159
<v Speaker 1>these air force bases and and like weird stuff coming

1083
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.720
<v Speaker 1>out of the Los Angeles area, the Laurel Canyon, it's

1084
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:02.760
<v Speaker 1>just California seems to be a freaking hotbed for this stuff.

1085
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just because it was on the

1086
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.119
<v Speaker 2>cutting edge. It was like the cusp. The California was

1087
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.800
<v Speaker 2>always a place to go and experiment. So you had

1088
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:17.319
<v Speaker 2>all these weird experimental religions and cult group scientology and

1089
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.520
<v Speaker 2>all this other stuff came out of here. And then

1090
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:22.119
<v Speaker 2>you had all these universities that were associated with us.

1091
01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:25.319
<v Speaker 2>They didn't seem to really care, Like Stanford SRI. All

1092
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:31.640
<v Speaker 2>that stuff's up there California and here and I mean

1093
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:37.640
<v Speaker 2>l UCLA. We have Jolly rest Is loitering around the

1094
01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:42.279
<v Speaker 2>whole place for decades for twenty years. So and then

1095
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the Hippie music, Hippie movie.

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01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, and you flash forward to the nineties. You got

1097
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff coming out of like San Diego like Heaven's Heaven's

1098
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Gate cult and just just just weird stuff. I mean,

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01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:01.600
<v Speaker 1>it's just great.

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01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.479
<v Speaker 2>Right or the what was it, the Liberation group, what

1101
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.119
<v Speaker 2>was the name of it, The Symbinese Liberation Army was

1102
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.800
<v Speaker 2>like made up from you, Yeah, California. Guy was in jail.

1103
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.479
<v Speaker 2>It's all put together. It's interesting. Brad Shreiber again another

1104
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:19.800
<v Speaker 2>great book, Revolutions, and highly recommend people check that out.

1105
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:23.000
<v Speaker 2>It just shows that the Symbienese Liberation Army was kind

1106
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:25.720
<v Speaker 2>of made up. And the guy since Kay was a

1107
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.279
<v Speaker 2>culture created, you know, created culture, just like these guys

1108
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.039
<v Speaker 2>are created. So then who's creating this? Who has the power,

1109
01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:36.640
<v Speaker 2>who has the bailability to pull the strings on these guys?

1110
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.479
<v Speaker 1>Well, and so so you said the house that burned down,

1111
01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:42.159
<v Speaker 1>it was Rothschild, right.

1112
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Correct, that's the most not but Rothschild, literal Rothschild.

1113
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 1>So in this block here that you got pulled up,

1114
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what part it is, but he dives

1115
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:59.000
<v Speaker 1>into how one of the fathers of the counterculture movement,

1116
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:06.000
<v Speaker 1>his name was is something polycus Vetous. He was cousin

1117
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in laws with Rothschild, and that is also in this blog.

1118
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:20.199
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember her name, but she it was a

1119
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:26.640
<v Speaker 1>lady who married into Veto Polycus family and he then

1120
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.640
<v Speaker 1>became by marriage. Uh like cousin in law's with the

1121
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:35.840
<v Speaker 1>rock Rothschilds. So I mean it goes really really deep

1122
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:40.960
<v Speaker 1>into who's pulling strings even in the very beginning of

1123
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the counterculture movement. I mean it's just it's weirdness.

1124
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, William D. Rothschild long into European banking, made it

1125
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:58.439
<v Speaker 2>all the way to La million bucks. And I mean

1126
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard much about the follow up the story, Like.

1127
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Year old h wasn't there like a Paul Roth's child.

1128
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he was related or not, probably

1129
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:11.880
<v Speaker 1>but due to the last name, but he was. He

1130
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:16.680
<v Speaker 1>worked with Jim Morrison and he was like a producer.

1131
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't he sounds familiar his.

1132
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I think his name was Paul Roth's child. But yeah,

1133
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean it goes deep in this area, like all

1134
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.319
<v Speaker 1>the way to the tippity topity, you know, elite bloodline

1135
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:37.920
<v Speaker 1>type stuff. You know, I should pull up my notes

1136
01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:44.119
<v Speaker 1>here because because it wasn't just the Rothschild but David

1137
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Crosby as well was some type of elite bloodline, right

1138
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:56.960
<v Speaker 1>he was? Okay, I found it in my notes here

1139
01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Crosby family tree and includes an array of US senators

1140
01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and congressmen, state senators and assemblymen, governor governors, mayors, judges,

1141
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court justices, revolutionary and Civil War generals, signers of

1142
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the Declaration of Independence, and uh members of the Continental Congress,

1143
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:28.039
<v Speaker 1>and high ranking Masons are coming from the Crosby family tree.

1144
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:32.960
<v Speaker 1>He was the son of a military intelligence officer, Floyd

1145
01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Delafield Crosby. And so I mean this, that's why I say,

1146
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:43.720
<v Speaker 1>like there's no way, no freaking way that this stuff

1147
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:52.279
<v Speaker 1>doesn't go beyond just being like catchy music, right.

1148
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:54.720
<v Speaker 2>It's cultivated or something like that.

1149
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And it's like I said, if it if

1150
01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:02.359
<v Speaker 1>it didn't sound good, if it didn't work, then there

1151
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:06.760
<v Speaker 1>would be no Laurel Canyon. But the CIA makes great music,

1152
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:11.479
<v Speaker 1>like the best selling music of all time.

1153
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, whatever they're doing, like they have the best people,

1154
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 2>they can get the best people together. It's like the Beatles.

1155
01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:22.520
<v Speaker 2>They found out later that a lot of these great musicians,

1156
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:27.439
<v Speaker 2>including Jimmy Page, were the studio musicians for the Beatles,

1157
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Like it was never disclosed at that time, but like

1158
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Pages admitted, yeah, I played on some of those songs,

1159
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:34.920
<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't the Beatles, So who knows what these

1160
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:37.319
<v Speaker 2>guys are doing. This is very common in the music industry,

1161
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:40.840
<v Speaker 2>is like they get these accession players who are legit.

1162
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:43.920
<v Speaker 2>These other people are fronts monkeys and all these people

1163
01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:46.279
<v Speaker 2>are just fronts for and the boy bands and all

1164
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:48.399
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. I mean there's so many. I know a

1165
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.359
<v Speaker 2>guy who's a producer and the stories he tells, like

1166
01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:53.560
<v Speaker 2>people would be shocked to the music they listen to

1167
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:56.880
<v Speaker 2>it and created by the people that think it's created

1168
01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:00.680
<v Speaker 2>by Like yeah, then the producers will play games with

1169
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:04.600
<v Speaker 2>their own musicians like great job, guys, Okay, you're done,

1170
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and then send them home and get real musicians in

1171
01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and just do it. Make it. Yeah, this is real,

1172
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding. So then even the musicians think, oh, yeah,

1173
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I did a great job, and producers like this guy

1174
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:22.159
<v Speaker 2>can barely like hammer like two sticks to you, but yeah,

1175
01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you know it's real.

1176
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:25.920
<v Speaker 1>They just need a frontman to put out there for

1177
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the for the public. Wow.

1178
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's as old as the hills.

1179
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 1>And it shouldn't surprise people at this point because we

1180
01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:37.920
<v Speaker 1>don't even have music really anymore. I mean, all the

1181
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:40.600
<v Speaker 1>people that they put out there for us, like Taylor

1182
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Swift and all the I don't even right, come on,

1183
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:48.079
<v Speaker 1>they're not that's is it even music at this point?

1184
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:53.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's an industry. They're making fat stacks. There's

1185
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:56.880
<v Speaker 2>no question, right, there's there's like groups of people, what

1186
01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:00.000
<v Speaker 2>what theme can we have? What will resonate with the audio?

1187
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's write that song next.

1188
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Well it makes me think of Nicholas Shrek, you know

1189
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:12.479
<v Speaker 1>he is, right, sure, yeah he so. I was watching

1190
01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:14.960
<v Speaker 1>an interview of him, and I'm pretty sure he was

1191
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.079
<v Speaker 1>with Zena LaVey, who people say Taylor Swift is like

1192
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.840
<v Speaker 1>reincarnated Xena LaVey or something like that. But he was

1193
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:28.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about how, you know, music is entrenched in almost

1194
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:33.560
<v Speaker 1>like bineural beats pretty much, and there it's it's more

1195
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:36.119
<v Speaker 1>like a design than it is just like a song

1196
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:38.800
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. And if you listen at some

1197
01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff that they're coming out with, now that's

1198
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.359
<v Speaker 1>what it freaking sounds like. You know, it's like almost

1199
01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:47.840
<v Speaker 1>putting you in a trance like state, and it's very repetitive.

1200
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:52.760
<v Speaker 1>The you know, music videos are loaded with symbolism and

1201
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:57.159
<v Speaker 1>it may have been a little bit more accult in

1202
01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the like counterculture movement, and it just kind of sounded like,

1203
01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, peace and love and flowers. But they're getting

1204
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:07.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty obvious with this stuff at this point, you know.

1205
01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:11.600
<v Speaker 1>And and it just to me, I think he said

1206
01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:14.039
<v Speaker 1>that in an interview in like the eighties or something,

1207
01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and like, look where we've come since then. Even it

1208
01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:20.520
<v Speaker 1>really does sound like trance like if you go back

1209
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:23.079
<v Speaker 1>to the counterculture stuff though, even some of the stuff

1210
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:27.000
<v Speaker 1>that came out with like Jim Morrison and some more

1211
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:30.119
<v Speaker 1>of the more psychedelic type songs where they have real

1212
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:34.720
<v Speaker 1>long instrumentals, it does almost put you in kind of

1213
01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:39.199
<v Speaker 1>like a trance like state. So you know, they open

1214
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:41.199
<v Speaker 1>your mind so they can shove stuff in there.

1215
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:45.079
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, we listen to Strawberry Fields Forever. It's

1216
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.960
<v Speaker 2>incredible when you're a kid listening to that, it's much

1217
01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:50.960
<v Speaker 2>different as an adult and as somebody who's had a

1218
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:55.800
<v Speaker 2>decent amount of reading into mind control, behavioral psychology. Strawberry

1219
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Fields Forever is incredible. It's I know, you have to

1220
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:01.079
<v Speaker 2>listen to the lyrics and read the lyrics while you're

1221
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:04.039
<v Speaker 2>listening to music. It's way too complex of a song

1222
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:09.079
<v Speaker 2>for these sick kids, right or even like a lot

1223
01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of people say they don't like that album.

1224
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:13.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Yellow Submarine. I don't know, But

1225
01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:18.000
<v Speaker 1>like Lucy and the Sky with Diamonds, that's one of

1226
01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:21.479
<v Speaker 1>my favorite songs. But oh it is Sergeant Pepper's okay

1227
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:24.159
<v Speaker 1>for sure. But you know a lot of people don't

1228
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.880
<v Speaker 1>like their more psychedelia kind of music. I always loved it,

1229
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know it's very trancelike.

1230
01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Look at Magical Mystery Tour. It's literally they're indoctrinating people

1231
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:39.920
<v Speaker 2>into ceremonial magic. They have all the forms, they have

1232
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:43.479
<v Speaker 2>all the stuff from the Golden Dawn. The language is there,

1233
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:49.199
<v Speaker 2>the complex you know, symbol symbology I Crawley had. It's

1234
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:51.840
<v Speaker 2>all all integrated in a way that these guys are.

1235
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:55.039
<v Speaker 2>No way they knew that. There's no evidence that these

1236
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:57.840
<v Speaker 2>guys knew that. There's no evidence that they were sophisticated

1237
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:01.800
<v Speaker 2>musicians or lyricism. Really mm hmm.

1238
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're a perfect example of kind of like what

1239
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about earlier, like with the Buddy Holly stuff,

1240
01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:14.239
<v Speaker 1>because their first stuff was freaking nothing like what they

1241
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:18.439
<v Speaker 1>ended with at all. And then there's even at the

1242
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:21.319
<v Speaker 1>very end, like when George wanted to leave and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like in India or something, and he came back

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<v Speaker 1>and they started getting real experimental with their their songs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean right, yeah, and it has like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't even yeah, yeah, it just has a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different sound.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the always that could be a cult drive

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<v Speaker 2>is to bring the East west, and the Beatles have

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<v Speaker 2>to be part of that. As Blovotsky in the late

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century, Crawley, all these guys, these all these occultists

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to do all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, yeah, and what was their name, Helena blavats

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01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:05.880
<v Speaker 1>He was real into like Tibetan stuff, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you do kind of see them trying to bring them over.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the Beatles are super guilty of it. They try

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<v Speaker 1>to bring like that, the sound and the gosh they.

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<v Speaker 2>Had they had one of their own kind of swammies.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot my sweet Lord is Harrison about it was supposedly.

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<v Speaker 1>By yeah, and he almost does like a like a

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<v Speaker 1>prayer or something in that. Yeah, yeah, right, no, not

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Somebody posted in the comments they said, look

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<v Speaker 1>at the album covers, and I do think that there

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<v Speaker 1>is oh yeah, take a look at the album covers.

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<v Speaker 1>It says a lot that the Sergeant Pepper's where they're

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<v Speaker 1>all standing over the grave and they the all the

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<v Speaker 1>faces in the background. I'm pretty sure somebody said, like

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<v Speaker 1>Anton Levey shows up in there. Jane Mansfield, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's something weird with what happened to her. She shows

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<v Speaker 1>up in there. Uh yeah, right. And there's even a

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<v Speaker 1>dedication in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible to Tuesday Weld, Marilyn

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<v Speaker 1>Monroe and Jane Mansfield and they're both on that Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Pepper's cover and they're all standing over a freaking grave.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, dude, I think they try to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>stuff without without Oh and Crowley apparently is on the

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Pepper out. Yeah, so I mean, you know, you

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01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>get to start looking at that stuff, and I think

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01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.239
<v Speaker 1>they try to tell you stuff without you know, telling

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<v Speaker 1>you stuff. And even the Abbey Road covered they have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole you know theory about you know, John's and

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<v Speaker 1>all White George's and all the gene and then Paul's barefoot.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I do think that the real Paul probably

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<v Speaker 1>died a long time ago, if you want my honest opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>But I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It coincides with the change in the band, so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that does.

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<v Speaker 1>So it does.

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<v Speaker 2>It does radical change from before sixty six and after

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<v Speaker 2>sixty six. There's very time. I mean the Stage of

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<v Speaker 2>Quay interview I did with Mike Williams. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't have written the Revolver album. They were on tour,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean they're in different places, so there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way that. I mean, they create these songs and have

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<v Speaker 2>it out at the same time while they were on

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<v Speaker 2>the road, so they're not working on it somebody else's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So were you you were a Beatles guy and

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<v Speaker 1>not a Stones guy, then I'm gonna take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know, I just remember grow growing up, like

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to the pop music. So I remember being

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<v Speaker 2>in my teens going through some of the old classics.

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<v Speaker 2>In one classics with the Beatles, White Album, College, a

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01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:55.399
<v Speaker 2>little bit of the Stones Doors. You know, you kind

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01:22:55.399 --> 01:22:58.000
<v Speaker 2>of the Zeppelin, but you know, I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't understand. You're kind of taking it in as a kid.

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01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:04.560
<v Speaker 2>You're more suggestible on your teen so you're taking that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in. And now I'm like, I can't even believe

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<v Speaker 2>I was listening to this. I know, I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>a Strawberry Fields Forever is like a mind control incantation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible. The guy doesn't I think I can. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to listen to those lyrics. They'll creep you out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I might be, but I'm not sure. Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's talking like his brain is dissolving, like it is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I even point out stuff from like I

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01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Am the Walrus, you know, because John had a big

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<v Speaker 1>heart on for Lewis Carroll, who was a notorious pedophile's.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like a like almost like a totem

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<v Speaker 2>for pedophiles.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I mean, oh look, it's says Dark Side

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<v Speaker 1>of the Moon rock group Journey with their Egypt related

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<v Speaker 1>images Iron Maiden. I would even I would even go

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<v Speaker 1>as far as saying ELO if you look at some

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01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:09.039
<v Speaker 1>of their album covers and they have like that feuristic sound.

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love ELLO, but even some of their lyrics.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to Nick from the Occult Rejects. They

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<v Speaker 1>got some stuff going on in there too, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a band that people leave out sometimes, is ELO. But

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<v Speaker 1>they were they were probably all occultists, if I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>being honest with you, when you.

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<v Speaker 2>Get into it, you kind of realize there's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot more going on, There's no question, but it sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>We are at the ninety minute markt Where can people

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01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:42.640
<v Speaker 2>find your podcast and what you've been working on and

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01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>what are you working on the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me. First off, so I'm Julia. I

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<v Speaker 1>host the Cosmic Peach podcast. It's available wherever you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to podcasts. It's not on YouTube because I don't like

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01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to censor myself and I already had a bunch of strikes,

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01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:00.640
<v Speaker 1>so it's not on there. You I'll find it on

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01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>there if you want extra bonus stuff for early access

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01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to anything that I'm working on. I do have Patreon

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01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>and you can search for that just looking for Cosmic

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01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Peach podcast. And right now, I'm glad you asked. I'm

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01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:21.319
<v Speaker 1>actually working on a three part series, the Dark Side

1346
01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Nineties, and so I'm gonna be diving into

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01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>a pop culture events, movies, music, everything the grunge movement

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01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:34.399
<v Speaker 1>that came out of the nineties, and that's gonna drop

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01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:38.439
<v Speaker 1>for Patreon members at the end of this month. For

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01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:42.079
<v Speaker 1>non Patreon members, it's gonna come out in February. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was saying earlier, a lot of crazy stuff

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01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:48.920
<v Speaker 1>happened in the nineties, Heaven's Gate cult and you know,

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01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>just some crazy stuff like that, So you can look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to that if you are subscribed to the Cosmic

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<v Speaker 1>Peach podcast. And I love having William on every now,

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01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:03.319
<v Speaker 1>and we've talked about all kinds of crazy stuff together,

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01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and we seem to have similar interests in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of our topics.

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01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:09.720
<v Speaker 2>We definitely think that there's a lot I could talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you about on other subjects as well. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>great to have you on. It's great to talk with

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01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you again. We covered kind of weird scenes and the

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<v Speaker 2>weird Scenes death list, and yeah, how crazy it was

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01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties and seventies. So many suspicious tests. A

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01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:25.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of those I don't believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Are right there. It's it's not it's not how they've

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<v Speaker 1>made it out to be. And anytime I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Laurel Canyon and try to bring a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>something different to the table every time. So I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you if you want a whole entire

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole in and of itself, check out John Denver,

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01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:43.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, and some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of these guys have really interesting backgrounds who like Roswell.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Lindsay Cosmic Peach, thanks so much for your time,

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<v Speaker 2>really really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>I need my love to be making mesday of the

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01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:23.159
<v Speaker 4>changing my life with the way of nobody can be

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<v Speaker 4>know that there's something that.

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<v Speaker 1>The running my.

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<v Speaker 4>Hands read both of us thinking uncleing and me. Someone

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01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:53.600
<v Speaker 4>is speaking, but she doesn't know he's I want her everywhere,

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01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:58.880
<v Speaker 4>and if she's beside me, I know I need never

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<v Speaker 4>again but to the fairest to me her everyway, knowing love,

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01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:19.159
<v Speaker 4>mister Shell, each one believing that love ever dies, watching

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01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:28.399
<v Speaker 4>their eyes and hoping I'm alwaysness. I want her everywhere,

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<v Speaker 4>and if she's beside me, I know I need never

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<v Speaker 4>care but to love fairest to me everyway,