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Speaker 2: Hi is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey and Us
Speaker 2: gets on today's show with a very special guest. Returning
Speaker 2: guest name is Julius operates the Cosmic Peach podcast Check
Speaker 2: it out. I was just on there. We were talking
Speaker 2: about Dave mcgallian's book Program to Kill, as well as
Speaker 2: some other topics, and so when I was talking to her,
Speaker 2: this is about two or three weeks ago, I said, Hey,
Speaker 2: you should come on my show because I had heard
Speaker 2: she had done a lot of episodes on another of
Speaker 2: McGowan's books, were weird scenes inside the Canyon Laurel Kenyon
Speaker 2: covert ops in the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream,
Speaker 2: And so she said yes, So we scheduled this for
Speaker 2: today and I was listening to her Sam Tripley's show
Speaker 2: tinfoil hatch. She was talking to him about the book,
Speaker 2: So I was just trying to reaquaint myself look through
Speaker 2: the book again. But there's a lot more on Chia.
Speaker 2: When we were talking about Program to Kill, she had
Speaker 2: said there was like all these deaths surrounding weird scenes
Speaker 2: of that either I didn't notice or that to skip
Speaker 2: my mind, But there's a lot of dark stuff that
Speaker 2: happened in Laurel Kenyon. There was actually something that happened
Speaker 2: fairly recently, which is as weird house burning, and maybe
Speaker 2: Julian knows more about that, but this weird house burning
Speaker 2: of a Rothschild guy, of a literal Rothschild heir who
Speaker 2: was found dead after a mysterious fire and gulf the
Speaker 2: two story hillside home. And I think it was up
Speaker 2: in Laurel Canyon or either the Hollywood Hills or somewhere
Speaker 2: nearby that.
Speaker 1: But so there are still weird scenes coming from outside
Speaker 1: the againn it.
Speaker 2: Appears it sure seems like it's so I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it was in Laurel Canyon, so a desirable place. A
Speaker 2: lot of celebrities live up there to this day. And
Speaker 2: we were talking in the pre show just kind of
Speaker 2: about used to working at somebody. And also I was
Speaker 2: kind of showing off my signed copy of Dave McGowan's
Speaker 2: Weird Scenes books, so let me see, like, dog, yeah,
Speaker 2: can you believe it? I went to The reason I
Speaker 2: got it is I went to the book signing when
Speaker 2: he was at book Soup. So it's kind of like
Speaker 2: one of the last independent bookstores in Los Angeles, so
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty fifteen something like that, and
Speaker 2: so I was there kind of just kind of watching this.
Speaker 2: So this is my kind of flex right here, as
Speaker 2: my daughter will call it, reflex. It says to William,
Speaker 2: hope you enjoy the book, Dave McCowan. I've confirmed that
Speaker 2: this is his handwriting. Other people have got signed copies.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I was at book Soup, and I think
Speaker 2: he got sick fairly soon after that, and I remember
Speaker 2: kind of talking to him after the book discussion. I
Speaker 2: met his brother too, I used to be friends with
Speaker 2: when I was on Facebook. We used to it all
Speaker 2: the time. His brother was there, Greg, and I saw
Speaker 2: Dave's chain smoking too, so I was like, hey man,
Speaker 2: this is not good, Like you shouldn't be sucking down
Speaker 2: cigarette after cigarette.
Speaker 1: Like that, and chugging the butts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a kind of not a casual kind of
Speaker 2: like I'm having a smoke, like and then taking another
Speaker 2: their drag every thirty seconds. It was like like some
Speaker 2: pretty intense, you know, cigarette smoking.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was definitely It's almost like he
Speaker 1: was tortured because he was the only person really talking
Speaker 1: about this stuff, you know. And then even with the
Speaker 1: program to kill, I feel like he was kind of
Speaker 1: like a tortured soul. And then I don't know about you, William,
Speaker 1: but I don't think his death was as cut and
Speaker 1: dry as they make it up.
Speaker 2: His brother doesn't think that it was a normal sickness,
Speaker 2: so of course I don't know. So I mean, he
Speaker 2: was was way ahead of his time. Never hear to
Speaker 2: other shows people try to take a part program to
Speaker 2: kill or this book. But I've seen people like a
Speaker 2: tech program to kill Marck it du oh.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because it's it's so easy to go and
Speaker 1: like look at the stuff he said in the book
Speaker 1: and find actual will uh supporting evidence. And I would
Speaker 1: tell anybody out there who doesn't have time to sit
Speaker 1: down and read the entire book. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I could post this in the chat. Let me see, yeah,
Speaker 1: is everyone able to see this chat?
Speaker 2: Let me put I mean, let me bring it up.
Speaker 2: Let me bring up the website.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's called Center for an Informed American America
Speaker 1: dot com. And if you go under features on the top,
Speaker 1: under the drop downs, you can read several things. They're
Speaker 1: all blogs from Dave and they essentially just sum up
Speaker 1: what's in the book. But if you click there's like,
Speaker 1: I don't can't even see how many parts, like eight
Speaker 1: or eight to ten parts here of twenty two twenty two. Okay,
Speaker 1: So if you don't have time to read the entire book,
Speaker 1: but you just want snippets, I would recommend reading his blog.
Speaker 1: And this is where I found a lot of the
Speaker 1: people on the Laurel Canyon death list was from this blog.
Speaker 1: And Dave also did a great job on this website
Speaker 1: doing stuff about Lincoln nine to eleven, the fake moon
Speaker 1: landing it's called Moon Doggie, and then the Boston marathon
Speaker 1: bombings are also available on this website. And I think
Speaker 1: that you know he was It's like you said, he
Speaker 1: was so ahead of his time. And even if you
Speaker 1: didn't want to sit down and read an entire book,
Speaker 1: just just kind of skimming through these blogs. It's just
Speaker 1: like an incredible amount of information. I mean, he just
Speaker 1: lays it out buffet style for everyone, and it's it's incredible. Actually,
Speaker 1: a friend of mine and sent me this website and
Speaker 1: it was the first time I had ever heard of
Speaker 1: Dave McGowan. So if you're just getting started and you
Speaker 1: want to just dip your toe in the water, this website,
Speaker 1: this Center for and Informed America dot com, it's a
Speaker 1: great place to get started. And what I've tried to
Speaker 1: do ever since I discovered the weird scenes from Inside
Speaker 1: the Canyon is kind of expand on it a little
Speaker 1: bit with it's, like you said, current events, because Dave's
Speaker 1: not around to talk to us about it anymore, so
Speaker 1: we kind of have to be our own investigators. And
Speaker 1: it just never stops. You know, Weird stuff keeps happening,
Speaker 1: and weird stuff keeps coming out. And one person in particular,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to talk about this first,
Speaker 1: or the or the body count, but one person in
Speaker 1: particular that Dave very briefly touched on but I've expanded
Speaker 1: on with my research is John Denver. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's very briefly mentioned in Eve's blogg It says something
Speaker 1: about like, oh, well, you know John Denver, his real
Speaker 1: name is Henry John Duchendorf for something like that, and
Speaker 1: he's actually German, and he could just kind of leaves
Speaker 1: it there. But a lot of people might not put
Speaker 1: John Denver in with the rest of the Laurel Canyon crowd,
Speaker 1: but he was definitely a part of it. He performed
Speaker 1: his first hit ever leaving on a jet plane with
Speaker 1: Mama Well, Mama Cass introduced him and he performed it
Speaker 1: for like some kind of a show where the mamas
Speaker 1: and the papas were there. So he was definitely a
Speaker 1: folk singer that was hanging around in and around the canyon,
Speaker 1: and he did have friends like Mama Cass and you know,
Speaker 1: was hanging around with all the rest of the cast
Speaker 1: of characters. And uh, John Denver's dad was actually a
Speaker 1: hang on, let me pull my notes up, because I
Speaker 1: wanted to give you the exact thing. Okay, yeah, give
Speaker 1: me just a second, because I have this whole thing
Speaker 1: on John Denver that I was writing, just some random
Speaker 1: notes down and it felt like it was important for
Speaker 1: people to know.
Speaker 2: So it was in the same theme of weird scenes.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, Well, his real name is Henry John
Speaker 1: Duchendorf and his dad's name was Henry John Dutchendorf Senior,
Speaker 1: and he was a Roswell Army Airfield captain and he
Speaker 1: won a bunch of awards, and he was a decorated pilot.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that John Denver grew up on
Speaker 1: Roswell Army Airfield. So when we're talking about Laurel Canyon stuff,
Speaker 1: all of their dads are somehow military. And if we're
Speaker 1: if we were gonna pick like what would be the
Speaker 1: most obvious one that's got like crazy stuff, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and pick Roswell or Presidio maybe, but Roswell
Speaker 1: Army Airfield. And I think a lot of people overlook
Speaker 1: John when they're doing Laurel Canyon stuff because he doesn't
Speaker 1: really associate himself with the rest of the crew. But
Speaker 1: he was definitely in there, and he grew up on
Speaker 1: Roswell Airfield base. And then his dad is like a
Speaker 1: decorated pilot, he's a captain, and some weird numbers kind
Speaker 1: of surround him. If you look at even that second
Speaker 1: paragraph there. On Wikipedia, approximately three hundred songs and thirty
Speaker 1: three he sold thirty three million units. And there was
Speaker 1: another something in there thirty three albums, thirty three albums. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you even Wikipedia can't hide like the weirdness
Speaker 1: with this guy, you know, three hundred songs, thirty three albums,
Speaker 1: thirty three million units sold. Is that is a roswell army,
Speaker 1: you know, Air Force captain and something that Also people
Speaker 1: like to forget about John Denver because I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, William, but I'm a huge fan. I grew
Speaker 1: up listening to John Denver. I love all that that stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to differentiate sometimes your idols from the
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. And it just happens to be that the
Speaker 1: bigger they are and the more you love him, the
Speaker 1: the creepier they are.
Speaker 2: Ye. No, he has a strange background. There's no question.
Speaker 2: Those songs are so Americana too. Rocky Mountain Hind thank God,
Speaker 2: I'm a country boy.
Speaker 1: Well, even if you look at the lyrics to Rocky
Speaker 1: Mountain High, he mentioned something about uh he was born
Speaker 1: in the summer of his twenty seventh year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, home to a place that he'd never been before.
Speaker 1: So I think right, his lyrics are even kind of encoded.
Speaker 1: So his wife Anny said that he had a violent side,
Speaker 1: which sounds like who. She actually said that he could
Speaker 1: flip on a switch, which was very reminiscent for me
Speaker 1: of Frank Zappa, because they always said like there was
Speaker 1: this artistic side of him that made music and everybody
Speaker 1: loved him. But at home he was like an authoritarian, uh,
Speaker 1: kind of aggressive kind of guy. He changed saw their
Speaker 1: bed in half one time when they were fighting, and
Speaker 1: he's kind of known to have beat his wife's ass,
Speaker 1: and so you would think this guy John Denver who's
Speaker 1: singing about rainbows and butterflies and sunshine and flapjacks, like
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think at home he was chains on people's
Speaker 1: beds in half and beating his wife's ass. But just
Speaker 1: like Frank Zappa, there was like a completely different side
Speaker 1: to him, and he did have kind of like that
Speaker 1: authoritarian personality. But he later on in life he gets
Speaker 1: real political and he starts working on I believe it's
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. He'd befriends one let me see here.
Speaker 1: He gets involved with the LGBT scene in the nineties,
Speaker 1: and he's in support of the LGBT stuff, and he
Speaker 1: campaigned actually for Jimmy Carter. And then as he kind
Speaker 1: of goes along in his political career, he gets elected
Speaker 1: to the board of governors for one of NASA's programs.
Speaker 1: And let me look and see what it was called.
Speaker 1: Here he is. He served on the National Space Society's
Speaker 1: Board of Governors for many years, and he was also
Speaker 1: awarded let's see here, he was awarded the NASA Exceptional
Speaker 1: Public Service Medal, which is usually restricted to only spaceflight
Speaker 1: engineers and designers. But somehow this country folk singer who
Speaker 1: started his careers, you know, in the Laurel Canyon, gets
Speaker 1: all the way up through politics. Now he's on the
Speaker 1: board of governors for the National Space Society, and he's
Speaker 1: getting all these awards and recognition, and I just, you know,
Speaker 1: it seems odd to me. I don't know where you
Speaker 1: are with like NASA being a big black magic operation, William,
Speaker 1: but I tend to lean that way. I think that
Speaker 1: they've got some nefarious stuff going on. And Denver was
Speaker 1: absolutely obsessed with NASA, and he tried to get himself
Speaker 1: involved in it in any way that he possibly could.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about NASA.
Speaker 2: I think there's it's a state operation. You know, so
Speaker 2: I think I mean to keep up the whole myth
Speaker 2: about the moon landing is incredible for that much time.
Speaker 1: So right, right, do you think we've been to space?
Speaker 2: Well early, I mean into like deep outer space on
Speaker 2: a manned or like the Moon. I used to so
Speaker 2: I used to accepted that as a fact and that
Speaker 2: it was a hard one. It was a lot easier
Speaker 2: for me to think of nine to eleven as an inside.
Speaker 1: Job the moonlane, right, But if you look into Cubrick
Speaker 1: and all it right, and I think even well, that's
Speaker 1: a whole nother episode. But so, the Citizens in Space
Speaker 1: program was John Denver's idea. He pioneered the citizens in
Speaker 1: Space program. Nobody knows about this and nobody talks about it.
Speaker 1: The first ever citizens in space program was started by
Speaker 1: John Denver's idea. He wanted to be on a citizen's
Speaker 1: flight to the Moon, and so they put together a
Speaker 1: crew and he passed all these rigorous tests to be
Speaker 1: one of the first citizen civilians in space. And it
Speaker 1: was actually the Challenger mission. This was John Denver's brainchild,
Speaker 1: the freaking Challenger Mission. And then just like and you
Speaker 1: brought it up a second ago, you know how they
Speaker 1: say Seth McFarlane was supposed to get on the plane
Speaker 1: for nine to eleven, but he didn't last minute. So
Speaker 1: last minute, he's about to get all of his space
Speaker 1: suit on to get on the Challenger and he's gonna
Speaker 1: go up into space, and he backs out and they
Speaker 1: replaced him with Christa mcculliff, the school teacher, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't go on the first citizen's flight into space, and
Speaker 1: just so happened. It was the big fiery crash and
Speaker 1: they all died. And then he wrote that song flying
Speaker 1: for Me because he said they were flying for me.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have even been up there if it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been my idea to put him up there. And
Speaker 1: I mean that to me just seems extremely ritualistic. It's like, oh, okay, John,
Speaker 1: it's your idea. You put all this into motion, you
Speaker 1: were gonna get it going, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you back out last minute and everybody dies. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of theories that nobody actually died that
Speaker 1: day and everybody on the Challenger flight actually is still alive.
Speaker 1: And they became like university professors. Have you seen that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like very pictures of these people that look
Speaker 2: very similar to them.
Speaker 1: So, like that Judith resnik one, they've found her at
Speaker 1: a university. There's a guy, Richard Scobi. He's got some
Speaker 1: kind of a company with the logo that looks just
Speaker 1: like the Challenger blowing up, and you know it's it's
Speaker 1: up for debate. And I'm not telling you that's that's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent what happened. But it seems more than
Speaker 1: likely that these people didn't even die in the Challenger flight,
Speaker 1: if you want my opinion.
Speaker 2: But there's a guy out there who looks exactly like
Speaker 2: Timothy McVeigh like this in the State Guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: It's like almost a carbon copy, like, yeah, you know too.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't be the first time some of
Speaker 2: these people fake their deaths.
Speaker 1: Or death well, wouldn't it be something? Though, William? If
Speaker 1: the point of them blowing up the Challenger with the
Speaker 1: citizens Space thing was to say, like, we can't let
Speaker 1: civilians go to space, because look what happened. It was
Speaker 1: almost like a scare tactic because we can't really get
Speaker 1: to space.
Speaker 2: They let's wind down NASA too, right, right, So.
Speaker 1: They have to they have to program the general public
Speaker 1: to believe you have to become an astronaut to get
Speaker 1: into space, and like, who knows what the people I
Speaker 1: think they're all actors. I think it's all like some
Speaker 1: kind of a state that even they said, there's there's
Speaker 1: a couple of astronauts that are supposedly stuck in space
Speaker 1: right now. You know what I'm talking about, all right,
Speaker 1: So they say that there's a couple of people that
Speaker 1: are stuck in space right now, and that they went
Speaker 1: up there in like June or something. They've just been
Speaker 1: up there ever since and they can't get back. But
Speaker 1: somehow they took a video of themselves to send to
Speaker 1: their families for Christmas, and they had Christmas hats on
Speaker 1: Why the fuck would they have Christmas hats on the
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle if they left in June and we're planning
Speaker 1: to be up there for a couple of weeks and come,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the stuff that there were they
Speaker 1: want us to believe, William. It's just absolute theater stuff.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of that in tons of theater.
Speaker 2: I mean that is in the mass media, just total theater.
Speaker 2: At this point, Like I think that anyone who thinks
Speaker 2: they just know it's like I'm literally watching these TV
Speaker 2: shows and I feel like I'm watching Viver Vendetta. It's
Speaker 2: such obviously to transparent propaganda.
Speaker 1: It's like I know. And so the thing for me
Speaker 1: with John Denver in his obsession with NASA, it could
Speaker 1: really come from his dad being a real high up
Speaker 1: in Roswell and stuff, and maybe he saw or heard
Speaker 1: stuff from his father and he knew that they they
Speaker 1: were trying to do stuff like that, and he did
Speaker 1: get obsessed with NASA. Who knows, But I don't think
Speaker 1: we've ever been to the moon. And I think this
Speaker 1: whole citizen spaceflight thing was like a staged, weird event.
Speaker 1: And John Denver did actually end up dying in a
Speaker 1: jet plane crash in the nineties, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation on whether or not he even died, and
Speaker 1: he was just kind of like repurposed in some other
Speaker 1: type of like classified project.
Speaker 2: I just like the same thing. Even Morrison right could
Speaker 2: passes through the Laural Canyon in the twenty seven Club
Speaker 2: and like that's a sketchy death too, Like what a
Speaker 2: great way to finish your career is Like he felt
Speaker 2: like he was done and going to France supposedly for
Speaker 2: a hiatus. But what a great way to just book
Speaker 2: ended Bakers.
Speaker 1: I don't think Jim Jim died at all that wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: on that trip. I mean, I think he was repurposed
Speaker 1: as well. I think a lot of the people that
Speaker 1: we see are just characters who are playing a role
Speaker 1: in that they can get repurposed. I think they can
Speaker 1: kill off a character they like, they can kill off
Speaker 1: the character of Jim Morrison, sure, but the actual person
Speaker 1: can be repurposed in another way. And I think, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I think maybe maybe, like, wasn't it the
Speaker 1: guitarist who wrote most of the good songs anyways, like
Speaker 1: light My Fire, And I think Jim Morrison wrote break
Speaker 1: on Through or maybe one song. Yeah, But really, I
Speaker 1: don't know where they were getting their music from. I
Speaker 1: don't The sound of the the counterculture music scene was
Speaker 1: so completely different from what was popular before that it
Speaker 1: almost makes you wonder if they weren't experimenting with like
Speaker 1: binural beats injunction with using psychedelic psychedelic drugs and opening
Speaker 1: up parts of your mind that would expose you to
Speaker 1: whatever it was that they were trying to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about it, William.
Speaker 2: It is do you know what's strange about the Doors?
Speaker 2: Based on Huxley who wanted to create this kind of
Speaker 2: psychedelic era, who invented the word psychedelic too, and then
Speaker 2: the Doors picks that stuff up. It's so strange, and
Speaker 2: then they write this music that, you know, beyond the
Speaker 2: sophistication of their years, much like the Beatles. The Beatles,
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent convinced didn't write any of their music.
Speaker 1: Coming well there, Tavis Stock too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think George Martin did everything, did all the composing
Speaker 2: or really was kind of like the like the director
Speaker 2: of all their music.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, And I mean there are people who will
Speaker 1: say that, you know, the real Paul died a long
Speaker 1: time ago, and his character was replaced by someone else too,
Speaker 1: like a look alike kind of guy replaced him, and.
Speaker 2: Not the same guy. You can watch them with the
Speaker 2: video for Strawberry Fields together. It's not their original McCartney.
Speaker 1: No dude, And whoever replaced him was way taller, had
Speaker 1: a different uh you know, and it would be really
Speaker 1: easy to almost, you know, get a little bit of
Speaker 1: plastic surgery done to you know, tweak a futures. But
Speaker 1: you can't tweak someone's height and he's way taller.
Speaker 2: Eye color palette like the shape of your like the skull,
Speaker 2: and the palette where your teeth are, the upper teeth.
Speaker 2: They can't do anything with that, No, they can't. Thinner
Speaker 2: than the original McCartney. And also McCartney had kind of
Speaker 2: a different kind of face, like he smiled a lot.
Speaker 2: The original McCartney was actually I think that's why they
Speaker 2: probably picked him, is because he had a kind of
Speaker 2: ebulliant kind of personality, like you have, charismatic and the
Speaker 2: new one doesn't like that at all.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And whoever they replaced the real Paul with
Speaker 1: was actually really talented. He could play way more instruments
Speaker 1: than the first Paul, you know. And so they did
Speaker 1: a good job. And the Beatles are iconic and they
Speaker 1: forever will be. But the reason why people love the
Speaker 1: Beatles and the reason why people love the music that
Speaker 1: came out of the counterculture movement is because the CIA
Speaker 1: knows what they're doing. You know, it's what do they say.
Speaker 1: You know, sin feels good, you know, they get results
Speaker 1: from stuff like this. It's a trap, and it's a
Speaker 1: trap for a reason, because it feels great to listen
Speaker 1: to this stuff and it you know, it sounds wonderful
Speaker 1: and everybody loves it. It's it's literally a trap, but.
Speaker 2: It's the way for culture. Culture change through music is
Speaker 2: really more effective than writing. That's what people listen to.
Speaker 2: The Beatles were the most effective change agents in human history.
Speaker 1: Well what do you think about there? So a lot
Speaker 1: of people speculate that the big old plane crash that
Speaker 1: killed Buddy Hawley and you know, the day the music died,
Speaker 1: this was big bobbery. Yeah, it was almost like a
Speaker 1: ushering in of this counter culture movement because we had
Speaker 1: like such a more simplistic music style with with those guys.
Speaker 1: You know, it was like American graffiti style, innocent type
Speaker 1: of music. And then there was a plane crash, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, all these weirdos start flocking
Speaker 1: to the canyon and almost overnight people are on the
Speaker 1: free love train. And it just it went from from
Speaker 1: music like Buddy Hawley kind of innocent too. If you
Speaker 1: can't be with the one you want, then be with
Speaker 1: the one you're with, and and you know, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like sex, drugs, rock and roll overnight on the.
Speaker 2: And within a decade, like from the beginning of the
Speaker 2: sixties to the end. It's like a radical.
Speaker 1: Change, right right. And that's when they unrolled the freaking
Speaker 1: serial killer program too, because we got Charlie Manson, big
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon guy. You know, Dennis Wilson had the guy
Speaker 1: living with him and Neil Young like would sing his praises,
Speaker 1: just loved him to death. And then you know, the
Speaker 1: Zodiac rolled out in the sixties too, and I just
Speaker 1: the two books Programmed to Kill and weird scenes inside
Speaker 1: the Canyon they dovetailed because those two things were happening
Speaker 1: at the same time. All the main big serial killers,
Speaker 1: the ones that made serial killing serial killing, that was
Speaker 1: the sixties, and the counter culture movement is the sixties,
Speaker 1: so you know, you can't have one without the other.
Speaker 1: And you know that the counter culture movement was pushing
Speaker 1: women to be more independent and to be more free
Speaker 1: and equal to men and go be yourself and you know,
Speaker 1: go your own way. And as soon as they did that,
Speaker 1: there was serial killers like Ted Bundy that was killing them.
Speaker 1: So it was very counterintuitive because Ted Ted was in
Speaker 1: the late sixties early seventies, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact dates. I'd have to look
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm pretty sure, pretty sure it's.
Speaker 2: Part of the serial killer rise, there's no question about it.
Speaker 1: And so they're telling these women to go out and
Speaker 1: be free and independent and you know, be by themselves,
Speaker 1: and then they send people like like Ted Bundy out
Speaker 1: there to kill them. So it's just what I fucking
Speaker 1: tell Oh sorry, but what a time to be alive.
Speaker 1: You know, it's many, many programs going on at the
Speaker 1: same time. And I do have the list pulled up here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bundy's sixty nine to seventy five.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so like the very last of the sixties
Speaker 1: going into the seventies. I mean, it's crazy. And so
Speaker 1: I have this this list here from Dave's blog, So
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to fact check me, they're totally fine
Speaker 1: to do that because you can find it right there
Speaker 1: in the blog. But it's part three of Dave's blog
Speaker 1: on the Laurel Canyon, And yeah, you could probably pull
Speaker 1: it up right here. So yeah, Marina Elizabeth Habe. And
Speaker 1: by the way, before I even get started on this
Speaker 1: death list here, this is the same in and around
Speaker 1: the same area where the Black Dahlia was murdered many
Speaker 1: years earlier. And you get to start looking into the
Speaker 1: Hodel family and they're all the way messed up. Are
Speaker 1: you familiar with like George Hodell.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've listened to those interviews with his son.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, good good. I think he has a podcast
Speaker 1: or something where he talked.
Speaker 2: As he did he did a book and then I
Speaker 2: think he was a guest on a lot of people.
Speaker 2: But maybe he has a podcast. I'm not aware of it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it seems very ritualistic, and it seems like
Speaker 1: the Hodel family was incestuous, just like John Phillips and
Speaker 1: and the rest of them.
Speaker 2: I think it's confirmed like his daughter, the guy was
Speaker 2: a sex weird of bother.
Speaker 1: Now, this first one that at lists here, Marina Elizabeth Habe.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of the black Dahlia. But she wasn't
Speaker 1: cut up or anything but her body well so she
Speaker 1: she wasn't dissected, I should say, but she was carved
Speaker 1: up and then she was tossed into the heavy brush
Speaker 1: along Maholland Drive. And if anybody is a David Lynch
Speaker 1: fan out there, there is uh Maholland Drive. Are you
Speaker 1: familiar with David Lynch at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did yesterday, So shout out to uh, David Lynch.
Speaker 1: But Maholland Drive is a cool movie if you want
Speaker 1: to just you know, have some Laurel Kenyon esque kind
Speaker 1: of horror type movie. But yeah, so so this Marina
Speaker 1: was tossed out on the halland Drive. She was carved up.
Speaker 1: It was very black Dahlia esque, and of course her
Speaker 1: murderer was never found, so they just chalked that one
Speaker 1: up to the Laurel Canyon body list. And then it
Speaker 1: says Christine Hinton was killed in a head on collision
Speaker 1: and at the time, Hinton was a girlfriend of David Crosby. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you know she was also the daughter of a
Speaker 1: career Army officer stationed at the Presidio base and Courtland Crosby,
Speaker 1: right right, So Crosby himself is could be a whole
Speaker 1: episode just talking about him, But like, I think that's
Speaker 1: interesting that one of his first girls there is part
Speaker 1: of the Laurel Canyon death list. Then it just says
Speaker 1: Jane Doe fifty nine found dumped into the heavy undergrowth
Speaker 1: of Laurel Canyon November nineteen sixty nine, and it says
Speaker 1: within sight of where, uh, what's her name? Marina Habe
Speaker 1: had been dumped less than a year earlier, and she
Speaker 1: had been stabbed one hundred and fifty seven times in
Speaker 1: the chest and throat. So this goes beyond like somebody
Speaker 1: getting stabbed once or shot or suffocated. I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: if you're going to stab somebody one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: seven times in the chest and throat, we're talking about
Speaker 1: this goes beyond you know, a drug deal gone wrong
Speaker 1: or prostitute, you know, prostitution or something like that. And
Speaker 1: then it's uh Alan blind Owl Wilson from Canned Heat.
Speaker 1: He was supposedly a suicide o D. But I believe,
Speaker 1: like a lot of the ones that they rule suicide
Speaker 1: o d's, they're usually not suicides at all, kind of
Speaker 1: like Hunter S. Thompson. I don't think he committed suicide either.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Jeffrey Epstein didn't commit suicide, you know,
Speaker 1: you name it, who else, Janis Joplin. I don't think
Speaker 1: these people are committing suicide at all. And then, of
Speaker 1: course Jimmy Hendrix is on the list, and there is
Speaker 1: a ton of information on the blog in regards to
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks. Are you pretty certain he's this.
Speaker 2: Eased, or I would say Hendricks was murdered. I think, okay.
Speaker 2: I talked to Brad Driver about it. He read a
Speaker 2: book about the twenty seventh Club and like somebody gave
Speaker 2: him an incredible amount overdose, like just a deadly leaf
Speaker 2: overdose at Barbet.
Speaker 1: Agree with that. I do know that there there is
Speaker 1: a theory that floats around that Jimmy Hendrix is is
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman, but I don't. I don't see it myself,
Speaker 1: and I could be wrong, I guess, but I do
Speaker 1: think he was murdered and he is a part of
Speaker 1: the twenty seven Club. And even the next person on
Speaker 1: the list after Jimmy Hendrix is of course Jim Morrison,
Speaker 1: which I don't think that he died, but he was
Speaker 1: involved in the occult. It says it right here on
Speaker 1: the blog. He had a fondness for the work of
Speaker 1: Aleister Crowley. His dad, uh you know, started the Tonkin
Speaker 1: golf incident and the Vietnam War ensued afterwards. I mean,
Speaker 1: talk about someone who is just totally enmeshed in the
Speaker 1: in the fabric of the Laurel Canyon. Is this guy?
Speaker 1: Did you watch the movie what's his name? Val Kilmer?
Speaker 2: The doors the doors.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't don't you think like it would have It would
Speaker 1: make an even cooler movie to tell the real story
Speaker 1: about Jim Morrison, Like his dad was a CIA guy. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that would make a better movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean his dad was a
Speaker 2: four star admirable admiral. I mean I thought he wasn't
Speaker 2: a chump. So it is interesting, like his background.
Speaker 1: But they love to sell the narrative though, you know,
Speaker 1: like he was just an outlaw rock and roll just
Speaker 1: went rogue and it just for me. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was really like that. I think the story is
Speaker 1: is quite different from what they sell us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he underwent some kind of personality change very rapidly.
Speaker 2: If you see some of his early teen pictures, he
Speaker 2: looks like a kid from the fifties, clean cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was also good friends with Jay Sebring, who died
Speaker 1: in the Tate murders. So I mean they're all in
Speaker 1: mesh together. It was a tiny scene. I know. It
Speaker 1: seems like when when people talk about the Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 1: like it was just this vast, expanding, you know area,
Speaker 1: and and but they were it was tight. It was
Speaker 1: close knit. They had parties at each other's houses. They
Speaker 1: were all friends. Uh you know, Mama Cass's house was
Speaker 1: a big hangout spot. Sharon Tate used to go there.
Speaker 1: They used to you know, do drugs and listen to music.
Speaker 1: You know, they knew each other. Roman Polanski, now I
Speaker 1: don't know how much you know about about weird stuff
Speaker 1: with Roman Polanski, but he was involved in the processed Church.
Speaker 1: And you know, Sharon had some weird fling with with
Speaker 1: uh Seabring and there was a weird love trying triangle
Speaker 1: going on. And when the police went through the house
Speaker 1: after the Tate murders, they found stuff like with with
Speaker 1: people coming over to the Tate house and running train
Speaker 1: on Sharon and people just taking turns on her. And
Speaker 1: he was filming all of this. There was like wife
Speaker 1: swapping stuff, and you know, you look at Rosemary's baby
Speaker 1: and and it just to me, there isn't you can't
Speaker 1: cover enough stuff about the Laurel Canyon. It's like once
Speaker 1: you open one door, you can go like a hundred
Speaker 1: different ways with it. And and I think, like I
Speaker 1: said before, it's just all interconnected and weird.
Speaker 2: And she was before Polanski, so they.
Speaker 1: Were right Now do you think that they that so
Speaker 1: Sharon Tate's dad was was an intelligence asset to right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so do you think that that was an inside
Speaker 1: job that or because it clearly wasn't just Charlie Manson
Speaker 1: went k and a bunch of people showed up to
Speaker 1: the house and killed him. I I that's the last
Speaker 1: possibility on the list for me.
Speaker 2: I think that they were like Ed Sanders did a
Speaker 2: lot of research. He was on site at the Manson
Speaker 2: trials and things like that, and in connection with you know,
Speaker 2: talking to Maury Terry and all the stuff. But I
Speaker 2: think that he had the best take, which they were
Speaker 2: paid hits. For some reason, both Tate had to go
Speaker 2: or somebody at that house had to go. I think
Speaker 2: Sharon Tate was not supposed to be there, so I
Speaker 2: think that they made it. May have tried to get
Speaker 2: somebody else at that house. And then the other hit
Speaker 2: that happened the night after the Italian guy and LaBianca. Yeahbypreneurs,
Speaker 2: they're made to look like a cult hits. But I
Speaker 2: think there was money paid, and I think that they
Speaker 2: had evidence that there was some kind of transference money
Speaker 2: bag that they had which was very rare for them
Speaker 2: who were like living out of garbage cans and things
Speaker 2: like that, right, And I think Charlie never disclosed it.
Speaker 2: I think he just kept his mouth shut about his
Speaker 2: criminal He had the criminal ethos of keeping your mouth shut.
Speaker 2: And he's an occultist, full on new you know, scientologists
Speaker 2: and member of the OTO, probably through the Solar Temple,
Speaker 2: so he knew the secret societies and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And he was a clear scientologist, so he had gone
Speaker 2: through all of scientology. Doesn't disclose that. He actually he
Speaker 2: knew hypnotism too, by the way, Yes, people don't know that.
Speaker 2: So he famously hypnotized this Latino actor or whatever his
Speaker 2: name is, is it Eddie Lopez or something like that, Oh,
Speaker 2: Danny Treo. There's a video online of Danny Treo saying
Speaker 2: he got in jail was hypnotized by Charles Manson. So
Speaker 2: I think that he knew how to mind control his
Speaker 2: whole squad. He was like Daniels for sure.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they they were doing at the
Speaker 1: Spawn movie ranch. They had like a military style set
Speaker 1: up at the Spawn movie Ranch. It wasn't like hippie dippy,
Speaker 1: you know, smoking weed and sitting around playing the guitar.
Speaker 1: They they had like dune buggies and like guns and
Speaker 1: and and you know it was it was like a
Speaker 1: military compound. So god only knows what he was really
Speaker 1: up to. And that Lino Loabianca guy. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: involved with like mobster type stuff. And he owed like
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars in gambling debts and they
Speaker 1: like to leave that out of the story too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they leave that out. He was also very wealthy.
Speaker 2: He was a millionaire. So how was this guy with seck?
Speaker 2: I think he was like his cover was a grocer
Speaker 2: or something like that, right, Like, I think he had
Speaker 2: a grosser. But how do you make that much money
Speaker 2: when you're selling fruits and vegetables.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it right. So they say it well,
Speaker 1: and they like to go with the random acts of
Speaker 1: violence to terrify people. But it's it seems more the
Speaker 1: more you look into it, the least likely scenarios. It
Speaker 1: was a random act of violence targeted. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: even oh sorry, go.
Speaker 2: Ahead, well with Manson as the kingpin, Manson directly right
Speaker 2: going in there, like Manson went into Lobiyanca and tied
Speaker 2: them up and then sent the other guys in there
Speaker 2: and said do your deed. And it is interesting, like
Speaker 2: full on a cult like they leave Another thing out
Speaker 2: of the Labyanca killing is that when they wrote war
Speaker 2: and like literally wrote it into the skin of his wife,
Speaker 2: Lobianca's wife, they wrote it like a it's in a
Speaker 2: Masonic up and down so like almost.
Speaker 1: Like a right, uh, what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Ruler? What do they call it?
Speaker 1: The ruler and the square encompass? Yeah? Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: there was that Arles Perry, who was they said they
Speaker 1: thought could have been a Manson disciple that killed her.
Speaker 1: And she had the same insignia carved into her, so
Speaker 1: she had she.
Speaker 2: Had something laid out on her body like that with
Speaker 2: this with this compass.
Speaker 1: Oh right, it was her wasn't Wasn't it her pants? Yes,
Speaker 1: they had arranged her legs and then put her pants
Speaker 1: so it looked like this.
Speaker 2: It was an arranged murder, like a full on a
Speaker 2: Colt murder. Really not really too. That's seventy four. That's
Speaker 2: how the Ultimate Evil starts out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But one of the interesting things, like I were talking
Speaker 2: to Dana Dudo and stuff like that, is that these
Speaker 2: two guys are in contact with each other more Itarry
Speaker 2: and Sanders are like buddies. And like when Sanders wrote
Speaker 2: his book about Sharon Tate, he mentioned Mary Terry multiple times,
Speaker 2: like they're in contact. And Maury Terry had some really
Speaker 2: interesting information I came across recently on an X post
Speaker 2: is like Hubbard's a member of the OTO, like confirmed
Speaker 2: member according to Marey Terry. So these are like huge.
Speaker 1: Things really, And he has that book, The Ultimate Evil, right,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good one if people want to read
Speaker 1: another kind of like Program to Kill but not mar
Speaker 1: Terry's Ultimate Evil is really good. And I was going
Speaker 1: to say something about Charles Manson, but it's slipping my
Speaker 1: mind now.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting how all these things are overlapping, like
Speaker 2: just these massive murders and deaths. And oh, for sure,
Speaker 2: Chris Perry was seventy four. Are Alistair Crowley's birthday right
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: He's running around killing people.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that is true.
Speaker 2: The process under you know, is happening. The Sons of
Speaker 2: Sam's seventy.
Speaker 1: And Zodiac zodiac Is is a big one around that
Speaker 1: time too, Tony and even we hadn't even gone over
Speaker 1: like all the people on the this Laurel Canyon death list,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are connected too, because like
Speaker 1: this next one, Brandon deWilde, a good friend of David
Speaker 1: Crosby and Graham Parsons, was killed in a freak accident
Speaker 1: in Colorado, Colorado, July sixth, nineteen seventy two. So another
Speaker 1: So we've got David Crosby's girlfriend and one of his
Speaker 1: good friends dying, you know, within a close time frame. Uh.
Speaker 1: Christine Furka, she was a governess for Moon Zappa. I
Speaker 1: believe she. Uh, I want to say, I looked into
Speaker 1: this a little bit more and she either overheard something
Speaker 1: or saw something and then she died kind of shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1: Because there were stories that that Frank Zappa would have
Speaker 1: like naked parties with his kids and like take showers
Speaker 1: with him and do weird stuff and like have his
Speaker 1: friends come over and be naked around the kids. So
Speaker 1: for me, I really a number of things could have happened.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: They say that it was a drug overdose, but you know,
Speaker 1: that's like saying nothing to me. If somebody, oh, she
Speaker 1: died of a drug over Okay, sure, to me, that's
Speaker 1: just like an easy out. Oh well, they overdosed, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: Is a stone cold, croly lover by the way, I
Speaker 2: don't know if people know. Oh really he's identified as
Speaker 2: a Felomite and all these other characters. Yeah, look at
Speaker 2: his Look at his music. It's all like, you know,
Speaker 2: horrus and all this other stuff. Like he died in
Speaker 2: a curious death too, but yeah he did.
Speaker 1: He's a actually on this list somewhere.
Speaker 2: Then. I think that they gave him some kind of
Speaker 2: like ac cult SoundOff in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Three, didn't they steal his body and drive it to
Speaker 1: like Joshua Tree or something, and they burnt it on
Speaker 1: a solstice, like the summer solstice or something. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's like stuff like this. This is the Laurel Kenyon
Speaker 1: body count right here. Like it's all weird stuff, even
Speaker 1: like this next one. Danny Whitman, guitarist, vocalist and songwriter
Speaker 1: with Neil Young's sometime band Crazy Horse, died of an
Speaker 1: overdose on November eighteenth, nineteen seventy two. Another overdose death,
Speaker 1: Bruce Berry Roady for Crosby Stills A. Nash died of
Speaker 1: a heroin overdose June nineteen seventy three. Clarence White, guitarists
Speaker 1: with the Birds, run over by a drunk driver on
Speaker 1: July fourteenth, nineteen seventy three. And then it says the
Speaker 1: driver who killed him. Oh where does it say at
Speaker 1: least one of White's immediate family members was employed at
Speaker 1: Edward's Air Force Base. Okay, so apparently this guy who
Speaker 1: was a guitarist with the Birds he had military connections
Speaker 1: as well. Then, of course, as you were saying, Graham
Speaker 1: Parsons and Dave gives us a ton of information here
Speaker 1: on that, and he died in nineteen seventy three. But
Speaker 1: if you read this whole thing, it's like I said,
Speaker 1: if you don't have time to read the book, at
Speaker 1: least go back and read this blog, because he kind
Speaker 1: of just gives you enough information to give you the
Speaker 1: gist of things and the connection with these guys he's
Speaker 1: talking about in the first paragraph here how they took
Speaker 1: his body to Jogwood Tree on September nineteenth, nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1: So I guess it was like the fall equinox and
Speaker 1: they burnt him up the automal equinoxy. Yup, it's right there.
Speaker 1: And he was allegedly overdosed on a speedball at the
Speaker 1: Joshua Tree Inn. Graham Parsons very cult and the next
Speaker 1: one right under that is Mama cass Now, this one
Speaker 1: is interesting to me and William you can tell me
Speaker 1: what you think. But it says she choked on a
Speaker 1: ham sandwich. Yeah, and I just I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: buying that because she was like one of those kingpins
Speaker 1: in the whole Laurel Canyon and scene. And she was
Speaker 1: in the home of Harry Nilsen in London the night
Speaker 1: that she died. And they say that she she got
Speaker 1: choked on ham sandwich. I for me personally, I think
Speaker 1: that's humiliating because they always made fun of her for
Speaker 1: being overweight, and maybe she stepped on some toes and
Speaker 1: and she she got killed and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll say she big fat lady. She died choking on
Speaker 1: a ham sandwich. It's like a humiliation ritual almost, like
Speaker 1: who wants to go down like that?
Speaker 2: Nobody. But she might have known too much, you know.
Speaker 1: Right right.
Speaker 2: Crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the charts right in the blog here Dave's put
Speaker 1: under Mama Cassie said she probably died knowing where too
Speaker 1: many of the bodies.
Speaker 2: Were buried, makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then we have Amy Gossage, Graham Nash's girlfriend at
Speaker 1: the time, murdered in her San Francisco home on February thirteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. She'd been stabbed nearly fifty times and
Speaker 1: was bludgeoned beyond recognition. So with a guy that's into
Speaker 1: all this this occulted stuff, like you were saying, Graham Parsons,
Speaker 1: like look what they did with his body and his
Speaker 1: girlfriend ritualistically murdered, stabbed fifty times and bludgeoned beyond recognition,
Speaker 1: Like how come more people aren't talking about that one?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And again, the murderers are never found in these cases.
Speaker 1: They are either suicides or their drug overdoses or their
Speaker 1: cold cases. Nobody, nobody's paying for the crimes in these
Speaker 1: There is no like justice. It just all kind of
Speaker 1: gets It's like the Black Dahlia. They even took George
Speaker 1: Hodell to trial for an incest trial and they said
Speaker 1: he was the main suspect in the Black Dahlia murder.
Speaker 1: And what does he do, Like he doesn't he like
Speaker 1: run off or something.
Speaker 2: He went to Japan or something.
Speaker 1: Like, Right, yeah, so it's like they don't even have
Speaker 1: to pay for their crimes. Really, it's just it's all who.
Speaker 2: You know, it's Chinatown, baby, that's right. Chinatown seventy four
Speaker 2: to two comes out right around this time. All these
Speaker 2: people are dying.
Speaker 1: Oh is that that Amy Gossage one or seventy five?
Speaker 2: But I mean, if you black Dahlia I think was
Speaker 2: in the fifties or something. I think it was one
Speaker 2: of the early crimes. But these I mean, I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: like Chinatown comes out around all these people dying strangely.
Speaker 1: Oh right, right right. And then the next one on
Speaker 1: the list, Phyllis made Brown, wife of singer songwriter Jackson Brown,
Speaker 1: reportedly overdosed on barbituates March twenty fifth, nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 1: and she was just thirty years old. They ruled it
Speaker 1: a suicide. But Jackson Brown another one like John Denver
Speaker 1: that people don't group in with the Laurel Canyon scene,
Speaker 1: but he definitely was. His dad was in the OSS,
Speaker 1: which was the precursor to the CIA, so he's got
Speaker 1: connections for sure. And then Bobby Fuller, singer songwriter guitars
Speaker 1: for the Bobby Fuller four was found dead in his
Speaker 1: car near Grauman's Chinese Theater on July eighteenth, nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 1: after being lured away from his home by a mysterious
Speaker 1: two to three am phone call of unknown origin. So again,
Speaker 1: nobody goes down for this stuff. It says there were
Speaker 1: multiple cuts and bruises on his face, chest, shoulders, dried
Speaker 1: blood around his mouth, a hairline fractured to his right hand.
Speaker 1: So he clearly went down fighting.
Speaker 2: But he was in the midst of a big contract
Speaker 2: to dispute with his record label. Yeah, so somebody might
Speaker 2: have had an interest. Well, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stories about guys who want out of their contracts
Speaker 2: with record labels who suspiciously end up dead.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that Sam Cook.
Speaker 2: To Cobaine contract. All these guys are in fights, and
Speaker 2: weird that they show up dead and then people it's
Speaker 2: weird too because a lot of the people who are
Speaker 2: there in contract disputes say, oh, yeah, of course they
Speaker 2: committed suicide. This isn't suspicious. What do you mean suspicious?
Speaker 2: This isn't suspicious.
Speaker 1: Even what did they say about Sam Cook? Like he
Speaker 1: want wanted the rights to all of his songs and
Speaker 1: then he was found in a hotel room overdosed or
Speaker 1: something like that. So I mean, it's just it wasn't
Speaker 1: it a rent No, that was the eighties. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say John Belushi was found in the Hotel Marmont
Speaker 1: overdosed on something. And I never thought that one sounded
Speaker 1: right to me either, But that was way later. That
Speaker 1: was the eighties, I believe. But the Chateau Marmont is
Speaker 1: in the uh maybe not Laurel Canyon area, but it's
Speaker 1: it's kind.
Speaker 2: Of I think it's actually a stone strow from the
Speaker 2: road into Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 1: Isn't it close to sunset? Yeah? Okay, right right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so in in uh well, I'll get into that in
Speaker 1: a second. But the the Chateau Marmont, you know, you
Speaker 1: got people like Anton Levey showing up Tuesday Weld is
Speaker 1: an other big witch in my opinion, and she shows
Speaker 1: up to Chateau Marmont. I do believe that Hotel California
Speaker 1: may have been about the Chateau Marmont, but that's just
Speaker 1: my opinion, you know. And that's another Laurel Canyon esque
Speaker 1: with the Eagles around that same time with the counterculture stuff.
Speaker 1: But on the next on the death list. Gary Henman, musician,
Speaker 1: music teacher, part time chemist, brutally murdered in his Tepega
Speaker 1: Canyon home on July twenty seventh, nineteen sixty nine. They
Speaker 1: convicted Bobby Boslet from the Manson family for this one.
Speaker 1: Bobby Boselet could be his own episode with all the
Speaker 1: weird stuff with him and the occultist filmmaker Kenneth Anger.
Speaker 1: A lot of weird stuff with Bobby Boselet, a lot of.
Speaker 2: Weird stuff in the canyon too, in the canyon.
Speaker 1: And then they do list Janis Stoplin heroin overdose October fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy Landmark Hotel as part of the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 1: death list. And I already mentioned her earlier. I do
Speaker 1: not think that she committed suicide. She was actually doing
Speaker 1: really good. They said she was doing the best she
Speaker 1: ever had been. She died at the age of twenty seven.
Speaker 1: She's another twenty seven club member. She was engaged to
Speaker 1: be married. They said, she was, you know, doing great,
Speaker 1: that they were super surprised that she would have done
Speaker 1: something like that. And if you were to look at
Speaker 1: her situation, it's very very similar to Marilyn Monroe. They said,
Speaker 1: that right before Monroe quote unquote committed suicide, that she
Speaker 1: was at the top of her game, that she was
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about the future, she was, you know, working on
Speaker 1: a bunch of projects, had no reason to do it.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've covered Marylyn length that she there's
Speaker 1: no way she could have killed herself, even if you
Speaker 1: just look at the science and the autopsy findings, it's
Speaker 1: just absolutely you can't even argue with me. There's no
Speaker 1: way that she killed herself. And I think it's it's
Speaker 1: similar with Janis I just for whatever reason, whether you
Speaker 1: want to call it Faustian bargain or what have you,
Speaker 1: she's she's on the twenty seven club, and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, William, but I don't think
Speaker 1: she killed herself.
Speaker 2: I don't trust a lot of these looking back, I
Speaker 2: mean these cover stories, and there's so many things that
Speaker 2: go on under the scenes, jealousies and personal animosities and
Speaker 2: things like that. Like I've done the story Bombshell, where
Speaker 2: I think, you know rfk's in town and she's has
Speaker 2: a relationship with RFK and JFK at that time, it
Speaker 2: would have been much more scandalous than it is today
Speaker 2: if it came out right, So there's an incentive in
Speaker 2: the la police back then, we're far more conservative than
Speaker 2: they are today, and you can see that in the
Speaker 2: JFK murder on sixty eight as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred and then I guess next on the
Speaker 1: list we have Dwayne Almond. Barry Oakley, lead guitarist and
Speaker 1: bass player for the Almon Brothers, were killed in a
Speaker 1: freakishly similar motorcycle crash on October twenty ninth, nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: and November eleventh, nineteen seventy two. So I guess both
Speaker 1: of them, Dwayne Almond and Barry Oakley were killed in
Speaker 1: freakishly similar motorcycle crashes almost a year apart from each other,
Speaker 1: and you know they're they're part of the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 1: death list. Then we got Phil Oaks, folk singer, songwriter
Speaker 1: and political activists, found hanged in his sister's home in
Speaker 1: Far Rockaway, New York on April ninth, nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 1: And Phil Oaks is actually a really interesting guy and
Speaker 1: he has some kind of a weird connection and you
Speaker 1: guys need to go back and read all this stuff
Speaker 1: on the blog, but he has some kind of a
Speaker 1: weird connection to the serial killer slash cult leader Gary Heidnick.
Speaker 1: They both went to like the same military academy and
Speaker 1: phil I mean, you guys, this is why I say,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna dive into the Laurel Canyon, just be
Speaker 1: prepared to go on like a million different tangents.
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 1: Gary Heidnick is mentioned in Programmed to Kill at a
Speaker 1: decent length, but he somehow is connected with this military
Speaker 1: academy that phil Oakes went to. And you know, phil
Speaker 1: Oaks is supposedly he got like electro shock therapy and
Speaker 1: stuff and he was you know, it's just weird. And
Speaker 1: if you even look right here in these notes that
Speaker 1: McGowan kind of gives you try to give you some
Speaker 1: general information about phil Oaks. It goes on for some
Speaker 1: length and at the end of it, right here, he's
Speaker 1: talking about Esterbrooks. And we talked about Esterbrooks on our
Speaker 1: last episode together, about the hypnotism and such, and I
Speaker 1: think that plays a part in the Charles Manson stuff too,
Speaker 1: with the hypnotism.
Speaker 2: And before I'll say it again, hypnotism is the resetta
Speaker 2: stone of the twentieth century. It's everywhere mass formation.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we agree on that.
Speaker 2: It shows up MK ultra the core. All these assassins,
Speaker 2: they're actually not assassins. They're all these Patsy's are hypnotized
Speaker 2: even up to the present day. All the stuff these
Speaker 2: guys weird dudes after, like you know, from Mangioni himself,
Speaker 2: Like when you see people who go in for like
Speaker 2: treatments or surgeries and they're in there too long, so
Speaker 2: that's when you have to kind of go, oh, this
Speaker 2: is very strange.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think about Princess Kate because kind
Speaker 1: of going back to Roman polaine Ski, she wore like
Speaker 1: this Rosemary's Baby type outfit and then she got put
Speaker 1: in the hospital for like an undetermined amount of time
Speaker 1: and she had cancer but that she didn't have cancer,
Speaker 1: and it was just all weird. And then I guess
Speaker 1: she is she still in there or did they run
Speaker 1: her out? Or I mean, this is the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: It's like when they go in and they don't come
Speaker 1: back out and they won't really be clear with you
Speaker 1: what's going on, you gotta start to kind of wonder, you.
Speaker 2: Know, no question, like she what the heck's the story?
Speaker 2: I saw her with William the Future King, supposedly with her.
Speaker 2: It's a double It wasn't her, somebody very similar to
Speaker 2: were And then they had that AI thing where the
Speaker 2: background flowers didn't move, there's no there's wind in certain things,
Speaker 2: and then the other things there. It's obviously stage. So
Speaker 2: where is she and what's going on.
Speaker 1: Staged? And something else that I was talking about with
Speaker 1: you know, Nick from the Occult Rejects podcasts, So we
Speaker 1: were talking about this last night and and the uh
Speaker 1: Lookout Mountain Laboratory came up because uh, they were they
Speaker 1: were supposedly filming like test footage or something there, but
Speaker 1: they ended up making like thousands of classified films at
Speaker 1: this place. And you had to have top secret clearance
Speaker 1: to get into the place, and people like Frank Sinatra,
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, presidents, I mean there, the list was crazy,
Speaker 1: the of the people who had top secret clearance to
Speaker 1: get into this joker. And it's located right in the
Speaker 1: freaking center of the Laurel Canyon. And I spoke with
Speaker 1: an SRA survivor. Her name was doctor Juliet Engel, and
Speaker 1: she said she remembers being taken to a place that
Speaker 1: she described being like either it was the Lookout Mountain
Speaker 1: Laboratory or a similar site, and they were filming snuff films.
Speaker 1: Very clearly that's what they were using these places for.
Speaker 1: But there is, of course, like a mainstream narrative, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're we're filming test footage for you know this or that,
Speaker 1: and they have like a mainstream narrative of what they're
Speaker 1: doing at these places. But then you know, you take
Speaker 1: a look at the people who are on the classified
Speaker 1: list to get in there, and it's like celebrities and
Speaker 1: political people, presidents, and so you wonder, like, what are
Speaker 1: they really doing in there? And just by chance, I
Speaker 1: find this SRA survivor and she's talking about going to
Speaker 1: a place in California. It sounds just like the Lookout Malaboratory,
Speaker 1: and she's talking about how they film snuff films in there.
Speaker 1: So I can only take her at her word for that.
Speaker 1: She's written books and she's been interviewed several times. I
Speaker 1: personally believe what she's saying is the truth, and I
Speaker 1: don't see why she'd have any reason to lie about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty humiliating some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: these people go through. I wouldn't want to lie about it,
Speaker 1: so you know, take you could take that at face value,
Speaker 1: but there's stuff going on in the Laurel Canyon that
Speaker 1: we'll never see the light of day. And even to
Speaker 1: this day, it sounds like with this house burning down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rothchild like rothchild eir like literally, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is the link right here. This is November twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, so it's not that LONGO A couple
Speaker 2: of months? Yeah, sketchy, don't you know he's dead? I
Speaker 2: don't think there that story hit the the TV here
Speaker 2: and then disappeared. I don't think there's a follow up
Speaker 2: or like, you know, a homeless person has found who
Speaker 2: killed a roth Child? Like, they're probably not supposed to
Speaker 2: find who did.
Speaker 1: It, right, so it's just some random almost person.
Speaker 2: Whatever, I mean, something who knows if they want to
Speaker 2: find somebody to blame, you know, but it's probably right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But one of.
Speaker 2: The interesting things about Laurel Canyon is a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't know. It's kind of like one way in.
Speaker 2: There's like one road in and one one road out,
Speaker 2: so it's very hard to get it.
Speaker 1: It's secluded for sure, and people like so the main
Speaker 1: place that everybody kind of flocked to was the log
Speaker 1: Cabin as it's called Frank Zappa's home, and it's, you know,
Speaker 1: currently or was formerly owned by Jared Leto. So so
Speaker 1: if you look into that guy, I mean, geez O Pete,
Speaker 1: he could be his own episode even And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's like these places have
Speaker 1: some type of significance. That's why famous people want to
Speaker 1: buy these places and be around these places. And at
Speaker 1: the time when all these musicians were flocking to the Canyon,
Speaker 1: there was no music scene there. There was literally no
Speaker 1: reason whatsoever for these people to be flocking to this place.
Speaker 1: The major music centers were in New York and maybe Detroit,
Speaker 1: and in Nashville or Memphis. That's like Elvis Presley was Memphis,
Speaker 1: and kind of I've talked to Sean mccannon from the
Speaker 1: Wake the Dead podcast about this before, but Nashville and
Speaker 1: Memphis kind of have their own Laurel Canyon situation going on.
Speaker 1: But that's where the sinners for music were there. It
Speaker 1: wasn't in this part of California. So it almost makes
Speaker 1: you wonder why and how these people somehow knew about
Speaker 1: it and all flocked there at the same time and
Speaker 1: got started around the same time. And then the Vietnam
Speaker 1: War just happens to break out, and this this gave
Speaker 1: birth to this counter culture movement, which all the leaders
Speaker 1: of the counter culture movement's fathers were in the military.
Speaker 1: Soil William.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the who was in some kind
Speaker 2: of like American aristocracy or from a rich family like
Speaker 2: Abigail Folger. Yeah, Crosby van Cortland Park, which is connected
Speaker 2: to the sons of Sam. Actually, yes, very strange. I
Speaker 2: mean it's incredible, and I mean it's incredible that, uh,
Speaker 2: that McGowan keyed into it so well, so many interesting
Speaker 2: things and willing to talk about mind control and some
Speaker 2: of these other programs which we're just getting more and
Speaker 2: more information, Like there's more and more people putting together
Speaker 2: more and more connections that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we were saying at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this episode, and you got like a signed copy
Speaker 1: of this book. We don't even know how valuable this
Speaker 1: information will be even in a few years from now.
Speaker 1: Like just more stuff keeps coming out, and it all
Speaker 1: starts with the Canyon and it all kind of circles
Speaker 1: around California and it's just it's just weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: we were talking at before we started recording about how
Speaker 1: beautiful California can be. You know, it's not like it's
Speaker 1: it's like a horrible place to live, but it just
Speaker 1: seems like when you when you look at like this,
Speaker 1: these air force bases and and like weird stuff coming
Speaker 1: out of the Los Angeles area, the Laurel Canyon, it's
Speaker 1: just California seems to be a freaking hotbed for this stuff.
Speaker 2: I think it was just because it was on the
Speaker 2: cutting edge. It was like the cusp. The California was
Speaker 2: always a place to go and experiment. So you had
Speaker 2: all these weird experimental religions and cult group scientology and
Speaker 2: all this other stuff came out of here. And then
Speaker 2: you had all these universities that were associated with us.
Speaker 2: They didn't seem to really care, Like Stanford SRI. All
Speaker 2: that stuff's up there California and here and I mean
Speaker 2: l UCLA. We have Jolly rest Is loitering around the
Speaker 2: whole place for decades for twenty years. So and then
Speaker 2: the Hippie music, Hippie movie.
Speaker 1: Right, and you flash forward to the nineties. You got
Speaker 1: stuff coming out of like San Diego like Heaven's Heaven's
Speaker 1: Gate cult and just just just weird stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just great.
Speaker 2: Right or the what was it, the Liberation group, what
Speaker 2: was the name of it, The Symbinese Liberation Army was
Speaker 2: like made up from you, Yeah, California. Guy was in jail.
Speaker 2: It's all put together. It's interesting. Brad Shreiber again another
Speaker 2: great book, Revolutions, and highly recommend people check that out.
Speaker 2: It just shows that the Symbienese Liberation Army was kind
Speaker 2: of made up. And the guy since Kay was a
Speaker 2: culture created, you know, created culture, just like these guys
Speaker 2: are created. So then who's creating this? Who has the power,
Speaker 2: who has the bailability to pull the strings on these guys?
Speaker 1: Well, and so so you said the house that burned down,
Speaker 1: it was Rothschild, right.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's the most not but Rothschild, literal Rothschild.
Speaker 1: So in this block here that you got pulled up,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what part it is, but he dives
Speaker 1: into how one of the fathers of the counterculture movement,
Speaker 1: his name was is something polycus Vetous. He was cousin
Speaker 1: in laws with Rothschild, and that is also in this blog.
Speaker 1: I can't remember her name, but she it was a
Speaker 1: lady who married into Veto Polycus family and he then
Speaker 1: became by marriage. Uh like cousin in law's with the
Speaker 1: rock Rothschilds. So I mean it goes really really deep
Speaker 1: into who's pulling strings even in the very beginning of
Speaker 1: the counterculture movement. I mean it's just it's weirdness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, William D. Rothschild long into European banking, made it
Speaker 2: all the way to La million bucks. And I mean
Speaker 2: I haven't heard much about the follow up the story, Like.
Speaker 1: Year old h wasn't there like a Paul Roth's child.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was related or not, probably
Speaker 1: but due to the last name, but he was. He
Speaker 1: worked with Jim Morrison and he was like a producer.
Speaker 2: Wasn't he sounds familiar his.
Speaker 1: I think his name was Paul Roth's child. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it goes deep in this area, like all
Speaker 1: the way to the tippity topity, you know, elite bloodline
Speaker 1: type stuff. You know, I should pull up my notes
Speaker 1: here because because it wasn't just the Rothschild but David
Speaker 1: Crosby as well was some type of elite bloodline, right
Speaker 1: he was? Okay, I found it in my notes here
Speaker 1: Crosby family tree and includes an array of US senators
Speaker 1: and congressmen, state senators and assemblymen, governor governors, mayors, judges,
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices, revolutionary and Civil War generals, signers of
Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence, and uh members of the Continental Congress,
Speaker 1: and high ranking Masons are coming from the Crosby family tree.
Speaker 1: He was the son of a military intelligence officer, Floyd
Speaker 1: Delafield Crosby. And so I mean this, that's why I say,
Speaker 1: like there's no way, no freaking way that this stuff
Speaker 1: doesn't go beyond just being like catchy music, right.
Speaker 2: It's cultivated or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's like I said, if it if
Speaker 1: it didn't sound good, if it didn't work, then there
Speaker 1: would be no Laurel Canyon. But the CIA makes great music,
Speaker 1: like the best selling music of all time.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, whatever they're doing, like they have the best people,
Speaker 2: they can get the best people together. It's like the Beatles.
Speaker 2: They found out later that a lot of these great musicians,
Speaker 2: including Jimmy Page, were the studio musicians for the Beatles,
Speaker 2: Like it was never disclosed at that time, but like
Speaker 2: Pages admitted, yeah, I played on some of those songs,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't the Beatles, So who knows what these
Speaker 2: guys are doing. This is very common in the music industry,
Speaker 2: is like they get these accession players who are legit.
Speaker 2: These other people are fronts monkeys and all these people
Speaker 2: are just fronts for and the boy bands and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. I mean there's so many. I know a
Speaker 2: guy who's a producer and the stories he tells, like
Speaker 2: people would be shocked to the music they listen to
Speaker 2: it and created by the people that think it's created
Speaker 2: by Like yeah, then the producers will play games with
Speaker 2: their own musicians like great job, guys, Okay, you're done,
Speaker 2: and then send them home and get real musicians in
Speaker 2: and just do it. Make it. Yeah, this is real,
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. So then even the musicians think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did a great job, and producers like this guy
Speaker 2: can barely like hammer like two sticks to you, but yeah,
Speaker 2: you know it's real.
Speaker 1: They just need a frontman to put out there for
Speaker 1: the for the public. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's as old as the hills.
Speaker 1: And it shouldn't surprise people at this point because we
Speaker 1: don't even have music really anymore. I mean, all the
Speaker 1: people that they put out there for us, like Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift and all the I don't even right, come on,
Speaker 1: they're not that's is it even music at this point?
Speaker 2: You know, it's an industry. They're making fat stacks. There's
Speaker 2: no question, right, there's there's like groups of people, what
Speaker 2: what theme can we have? What will resonate with the audio?
Speaker 2: Let's write that song next.
Speaker 1: Well it makes me think of Nicholas Shrek, you know
Speaker 1: he is, right, sure, yeah he so. I was watching
Speaker 1: an interview of him, and I'm pretty sure he was
Speaker 1: with Zena LaVey, who people say Taylor Swift is like
Speaker 1: reincarnated Xena LaVey or something like that. But he was
Speaker 1: talking about how, you know, music is entrenched in almost
Speaker 1: like bineural beats pretty much, and there it's it's more
Speaker 1: like a design than it is just like a song
Speaker 1: or something like that. And if you listen at some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that they're coming out with, now that's
Speaker 1: what it freaking sounds like. You know, it's like almost
Speaker 1: putting you in a trance like state, and it's very repetitive.
Speaker 1: The you know, music videos are loaded with symbolism and
Speaker 1: it may have been a little bit more accult in
Speaker 1: the like counterculture movement, and it just kind of sounded like,
Speaker 1: you know, peace and love and flowers. But they're getting
Speaker 1: pretty obvious with this stuff at this point, you know.
Speaker 1: And and it just to me, I think he said
Speaker 1: that in an interview in like the eighties or something,
Speaker 1: and like, look where we've come since then. Even it
Speaker 1: really does sound like trance like if you go back
Speaker 1: to the counterculture stuff though, even some of the stuff
Speaker 1: that came out with like Jim Morrison and some more
Speaker 1: of the more psychedelic type songs where they have real
Speaker 1: long instrumentals, it does almost put you in kind of
Speaker 1: like a trance like state. So you know, they open
Speaker 1: your mind so they can shove stuff in there.
Speaker 2: That's you know, we listen to Strawberry Fields Forever. It's
Speaker 2: incredible when you're a kid listening to that, it's much
Speaker 2: different as an adult and as somebody who's had a
Speaker 2: decent amount of reading into mind control, behavioral psychology. Strawberry
Speaker 2: Fields Forever is incredible. It's I know, you have to
Speaker 2: listen to the lyrics and read the lyrics while you're
Speaker 2: listening to music. It's way too complex of a song
Speaker 2: for these sick kids, right or even like a lot
Speaker 2: of people say they don't like that album.
Speaker 1: I think it was Yellow Submarine. I don't know, But
Speaker 1: like Lucy and the Sky with Diamonds, that's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. But oh it is Sergeant Pepper's okay
Speaker 1: for sure. But you know a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: like their more psychedelia kind of music. I always loved it,
Speaker 1: and you know it's very trancelike.
Speaker 2: Look at Magical Mystery Tour. It's literally they're indoctrinating people
Speaker 2: into ceremonial magic. They have all the forms, they have
Speaker 2: all the stuff from the Golden Dawn. The language is there,
Speaker 2: the complex you know, symbol symbology I Crawley had. It's
Speaker 2: all all integrated in a way that these guys are.
Speaker 2: No way they knew that. There's no evidence that these
Speaker 2: guys knew that. There's no evidence that they were sophisticated
Speaker 2: musicians or lyricism. Really mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, they're a perfect example of kind of like what
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier, like with the Buddy Holly stuff,
Speaker 1: because their first stuff was freaking nothing like what they
Speaker 1: ended with at all. And then there's even at the
Speaker 1: very end, like when George wanted to leave and he
Speaker 1: was like in India or something, and he came back
Speaker 1: and they started getting real experimental with their their songs.
Speaker 1: I mean right, yeah, and it has like kind of
Speaker 1: like I don't even yeah, yeah, it just has a
Speaker 1: completely different sound.
Speaker 2: And that's the always that could be a cult drive
Speaker 2: is to bring the East west, and the Beatles have
Speaker 2: to be part of that. As Blovotsky in the late
Speaker 2: nineteenth century, Crawley, all these guys, these all these occultists
Speaker 2: are trying to do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, and what was their name, Helena blavats
Speaker 1: He was real into like Tibetan stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: you do kind of see them trying to bring them over.
Speaker 1: Even the Beatles are super guilty of it. They try
Speaker 1: to bring like that, the sound and the gosh they.
Speaker 2: Had they had one of their own kind of swammies.
Speaker 2: I forgot my sweet Lord is Harrison about it was supposedly.
Speaker 1: By yeah, and he almost does like a like a
Speaker 1: prayer or something in that. Yeah, yeah, right, no, not
Speaker 1: at all. Somebody posted in the comments they said, look
Speaker 1: at the album covers, and I do think that there
Speaker 1: is oh yeah, take a look at the album covers.
Speaker 1: It says a lot that the Sergeant Pepper's where they're
Speaker 1: all standing over the grave and they the all the
Speaker 1: faces in the background. I'm pretty sure somebody said, like
Speaker 1: Anton Levey shows up in there. Jane Mansfield, I think
Speaker 1: there's something weird with what happened to her. She shows
Speaker 1: up in there. Uh yeah, right. And there's even a
Speaker 1: dedication in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible to Tuesday Weld, Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe and Jane Mansfield and they're both on that Sergeant
Speaker 1: Pepper's cover and they're all standing over a freaking grave.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, I think they try to tell you
Speaker 1: stuff without without Oh and Crowley apparently is on the
Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepper out. Yeah, so I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: get to start looking at that stuff, and I think
Speaker 1: they try to tell you stuff without you know, telling
Speaker 1: you stuff. And even the Abbey Road covered they have
Speaker 1: a whole you know theory about you know, John's and
Speaker 1: all White George's and all the gene and then Paul's barefoot.
Speaker 1: You know, I do think that the real Paul probably
Speaker 1: died a long time ago, if you want my honest opinion.
Speaker 1: But I could be wrong. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: It coincides with the change in the band, so I
Speaker 2: think that that does.
Speaker 1: So it does.
Speaker 2: It does radical change from before sixty six and after
Speaker 2: sixty six. There's very time. I mean the Stage of
Speaker 2: Quay interview I did with Mike Williams. I mean, they
Speaker 2: couldn't have written the Revolver album. They were on tour,
Speaker 2: and I mean they're in different places, so there's no
Speaker 2: way that. I mean, they create these songs and have
Speaker 2: it out at the same time while they were on
Speaker 2: the road, so they're not working on it somebody else's.
Speaker 1: Right, So were you you were a Beatles guy and
Speaker 1: not a Stones guy, then I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I just remember grow growing up, like
Speaker 2: you listen to the pop music. So I remember being
Speaker 2: in my teens going through some of the old classics.
Speaker 2: In one classics with the Beatles, White Album, College, a
Speaker 2: little bit of the Stones Doors. You know, you kind
Speaker 2: of the Zeppelin, but you know, I don't know, you
Speaker 2: didn't understand. You're kind of taking it in as a kid.
Speaker 2: You're more suggestible on your teen so you're taking that
Speaker 2: stuff in. And now I'm like, I can't even believe
Speaker 2: I was listening to this. I know, I know it's
Speaker 2: a Strawberry Fields Forever is like a mind control incantation.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. The guy doesn't I think I can. I mean,
Speaker 2: you have to listen to those lyrics. They'll creep you out.
Speaker 2: I think I might be, but I'm not sure. Like
Speaker 2: he's talking like his brain is dissolving, like it is incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I even point out stuff from like I
Speaker 1: Am the Walrus, you know, because John had a big
Speaker 1: heart on for Lewis Carroll, who was a notorious pedophile's.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a like almost like a totem
Speaker 2: for pedophiles.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: Him.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean, oh look, it's says Dark Side
Speaker 1: of the Moon rock group Journey with their Egypt related
Speaker 1: images Iron Maiden. I would even I would even go
Speaker 1: as far as saying ELO if you look at some
Speaker 1: of their album covers and they have like that feuristic sound.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love ELLO, but even some of their lyrics.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Nick from the Occult Rejects. They
Speaker 1: got some stuff going on in there too, And that's
Speaker 1: a band that people leave out sometimes, is ELO. But
Speaker 1: they were they were probably all occultists, if I'm just
Speaker 1: being honest with you, when you.
Speaker 2: Get into it, you kind of realize there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot more going on, There's no question, but it sounds good.
Speaker 2: We are at the ninety minute markt Where can people
Speaker 2: find your podcast and what you've been working on and
Speaker 2: what are you working on the future.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. First off, so I'm Julia. I
Speaker 1: host the Cosmic Peach podcast. It's available wherever you listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts. It's not on YouTube because I don't like
Speaker 1: to censor myself and I already had a bunch of strikes,
Speaker 1: so it's not on there. You I'll find it on
Speaker 1: there if you want extra bonus stuff for early access
Speaker 1: to anything that I'm working on. I do have Patreon
Speaker 1: and you can search for that just looking for Cosmic
Speaker 1: Peach podcast. And right now, I'm glad you asked. I'm
Speaker 1: actually working on a three part series, the Dark Side
Speaker 1: of the Nineties, and so I'm gonna be diving into
Speaker 1: a pop culture events, movies, music, everything the grunge movement
Speaker 1: that came out of the nineties, and that's gonna drop
Speaker 1: for Patreon members at the end of this month. For
Speaker 1: non Patreon members, it's gonna come out in February. So,
Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier, a lot of crazy stuff
Speaker 1: happened in the nineties, Heaven's Gate cult and you know,
Speaker 1: just some crazy stuff like that, So you can look
Speaker 1: forward to that if you are subscribed to the Cosmic
Speaker 1: Peach podcast. And I love having William on every now,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about all kinds of crazy stuff together,
Speaker 1: and we seem to have similar interests in a lot
Speaker 1: of our topics.
Speaker 2: We definitely think that there's a lot I could talk
Speaker 2: to you about on other subjects as well. But it's
Speaker 2: great to have you on. It's great to talk with
Speaker 2: you again. We covered kind of weird scenes and the
Speaker 2: weird Scenes death list, and yeah, how crazy it was
Speaker 2: in the sixties and seventies. So many suspicious tests. A
Speaker 2: lot of those I don't believe.
Speaker 1: Are right there. It's it's not it's not how they've
Speaker 1: made it out to be. And anytime I talk about
Speaker 1: the Laurel Canyon and try to bring a little bit
Speaker 1: something different to the table every time. So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you want a whole entire
Speaker 1: rabbit hole in and of itself, check out John Denver,
Speaker 1: you know, and some stuff.
Speaker 2: Some of these guys have really interesting backgrounds who like Roswell.
Speaker 2: All right, Lindsay Cosmic Peach, thanks so much for your time,
Speaker 2: really really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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