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<v Speaker 1>Welcoming back to Out of this world. Guys. I'm Jamie

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<v Speaker 1>Hanshaw and joining me today is Rugus, my good friend

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<v Speaker 1>Ruckus who is the host of The Daily Ruckus on

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<v Speaker 1>Alternate Current Radio dot com and also a fellow boiler

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<v Speaker 1>Room Froggy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Guilty, guiltiest charged. Jamie, this is nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me on. This is gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>fun on your own program or usually we like can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't have you on my program, the Daily Ruckus,

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<v Speaker 3>because I just report news and do other things. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do a special sideways interview program that involves other guests.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's fascinating that now I get to be on

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<v Speaker 3>my fellow boiler roomors podcasts occasionally and now finally yours.

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<v Speaker 3>So thanks for having me. We have a big discussion today.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be great.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. So in this day and age. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you've heard, but World War three is popping off.

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<v Speaker 1>Its to me crazy, and it seems like this is

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<v Speaker 1>the year of a million villains. And I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of rant to you at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>show today because I have noticed that well, the phone

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to mind control you, right, is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get you to do all of these things. I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a joke and I said, my phone wants me to

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<v Speaker 1>number one, get a divorce, and number to spend all

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<v Speaker 1>my money. And I'm like, silly, Phone, how can I

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<v Speaker 1>afford to shop if I don't have a husband? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So I told Jay that joke and he's like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean it wants you to divorce me? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's just a joke. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>can see where things are trying to nudge you in

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<v Speaker 1>certain directions. And that's what we're going to talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>is like are you the product of your own original

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts and experiences or are you a simulation that is

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<v Speaker 1>just like being blown back and forth hither to accomplish

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<v Speaker 1>some nefarious goal. And we'll get into what that could be,

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<v Speaker 1>but today I just wanted to I'm so frustrated ruckus

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<v Speaker 1>because the phone, the algorithm, everything society has told me

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<v Speaker 1>that I am the problem. Okay, everything is my fault

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<v Speaker 1>as a white woman. So I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 1>experienced this on your innerweb searching as a white man,

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<v Speaker 1>it tells you you're the problem. If it's if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a black man, it says you're the problem. But it

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<v Speaker 1>has completely convinced me that the whole world is against me.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone hates me. I know that's not true, but every

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<v Speaker 1>time I'll log on, conservatives are like, it's liberal white

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<v Speaker 1>women's fault. And then the liberals are like, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>conservative white women's fault, and the feminists are like, we

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<v Speaker 1>love everyone except white women. And you go through these

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<v Speaker 1>threads and the threads are like, it's all women's fault,

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<v Speaker 1>and then someone says, no, it's not just women, it's

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<v Speaker 1>women over forty. No, it's not them, it's childless women

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<v Speaker 1>over forty. So they might as well just say it's

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<v Speaker 1>all Jamie's fault, because it's like everything that I am,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being programmed to accept this responsibility for the collapse

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<v Speaker 1>of civilization just because I'm a white woman and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to be weird. It's I uh. I realized

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<v Speaker 1>that on election day when I got called what did

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<v Speaker 1>I get called? I got called Ava Braun of the

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<v Speaker 1>Fourth Reich, and I got called a crypto feminist. So

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<v Speaker 1>two extremes of a thing, and I'm like, neither of

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<v Speaker 1>these things is true, so I must be just some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of blank canvas to project your anger onto, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've noticed that other groups are getting the same treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, once you convince a tinfoil hat to feel

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry for Jews, I mean that I feel sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for Jews right now and what they're going through. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel sorry for everybody. Everybody has been demonized. And I

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<v Speaker 1>made this sort of chart for people because I am

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, and everyone is their own problem in my experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to say that we don't have enemies, but even

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<v Speaker 1>if you could, you know, if you had the Thanos glove,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could make the group disappear that you hate,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could make all Jews disappear, you can make

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<v Speaker 1>all feminists disappear, If you could make all whoever that

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<v Speaker 1>you blame for everything that's going on disappear, your life

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<v Speaker 1>would still suck because of you, not you ruckus. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying all these people who say, no, it's feminists, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's red pills, No, it's this, it's liberals, it's conservatives,

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<v Speaker 1>it's everything. So I wanted to actually take responsibility and say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in our own lives, we are the problem

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<v Speaker 1>in our own lives. Okay, not everybody is as victimized

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<v Speaker 1>as they pretend to be. And if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>have the problem, the problem would be you know, Satan

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<v Speaker 1>himself up here, right. So I made this uh chart.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody wants to fight evil, even whatever side that

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<v Speaker 1>you disagree with. They think they're doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And everyone thinks they are immune to propaganda, which we're not. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody has been sorted out and categorized and put into

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<v Speaker 1>these different boxes based on our algorithm and what we're viewing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I put you know, at the top, the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is the devil, the evil one, the adversary, going away

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<v Speaker 1>from what's right underneath him. You've got, you know, the principalities,

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<v Speaker 1>the fallen angels or aliens. These are the demons who

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<v Speaker 1>influence the humans who are knowingly aligned with the devil

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<v Speaker 1>or the demon possessed. These are your secret societies, These

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<v Speaker 1>are your bloodlines. These are the occultists. You don't see

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<v Speaker 1>much of them, right, but they are controlling all of

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<v Speaker 1>the groups in this green that you hate. So whoever

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<v Speaker 1>you think is the problem, whatever your ism that you

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<v Speaker 1>are against, this is the green. And then the green

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<v Speaker 1>controls most of humanity, which is the orange, which is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just people living on autopilot or in survival mode,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're living on their vices. These are the NPCs

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<v Speaker 1>or the sims or this is the group that is

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<v Speaker 1>most vulnerable to being swayed into these different cults to

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<v Speaker 1>get different outcomes and ultimately goes back to the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>So but at the bottom, you, yourself, are the own

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<v Speaker 1>problem in your own life. Not that people aren't victimized

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<v Speaker 1>or oppressed, but you're trying to beat the devil by

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<v Speaker 1>punching through like Mario straight up, and there's no way.

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<v Speaker 1>You can only bypass everyone else and defeat Satan by

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<v Speaker 1>being humble and realizing that all of these groups that

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<v Speaker 1>you think are so evil and ruining the world are

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<v Speaker 1>just one level of this pyramid. I don't know, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of my assessment of whose fault it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll remind everyone that each individual person in those

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<v Speaker 3>other groups, the layers above the you on the foundation,

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<v Speaker 3>are also bearing the weight of their own personal you

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<v Speaker 3>foundation pyramid. So it's like a multi level mar multi

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<v Speaker 3>level pyramid within a pyramid. So like at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the day, you're right, all of us are responsible

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<v Speaker 3>for we are the problem. And that's actually technically I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to accept some responsibility, even more so

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<v Speaker 3>than you, because this is a very biblically found belief

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<v Speaker 3>when you think about it, because we are born into

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<v Speaker 3>original sin if you're a believer the Bible and God

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<v Speaker 3>as the Creator and Jesus Christ. When most people, like

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<v Speaker 3>the guys the men, will be like, oh, it was

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<v Speaker 3>all Eve's fault because she ate the apple. Well, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>my real name, of course is Adam. My name, of

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<v Speaker 3>course comes from the Bible and the first man. I

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<v Speaker 3>was the first son born into my family. But that aside,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not because of what Eve did that we are

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<v Speaker 3>condemned and born into sin. Is because of what Adam did,

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<v Speaker 3>which because because Eve was tricked by Satan the serpent.

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<v Speaker 3>I think those might be two separate entities, but it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter. Ultimately, it was the devil, right, Maybe the

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<v Speaker 3>serpent was just the middle level of the pyramid there,

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<v Speaker 3>But regardless, Eve was tempted and Adam wasn't around or

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was deceived.

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<v Speaker 3>But Adam knew better, He saw what she did, knew

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<v Speaker 3>what was going to happen if he did it, and

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<v Speaker 3>he made the conscious decision to sin like that, And

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<v Speaker 3>since all of us are born come from Adam, including

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<v Speaker 3>the original woman.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's Adam's fault.

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<v Speaker 3>It's because come from Adam, not because of the Eve

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<v Speaker 3>that we are born into original sin, which you can

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<v Speaker 3>explain how God can come onto our planet as the

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<v Speaker 3>son Jesus Christ with the virgin birth because there was

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<v Speaker 3>no atom bloodline involved with that Eve was okay, you

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<v Speaker 3>still okay, right, But she bears her own sin being

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<v Speaker 3>born into this world because she comes from Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>But you see what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>So this foundation of yours I find very much aligned with,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, religious beliefs throughout the world, not just christianityday.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very interesting and a lot of what you're you're

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<v Speaker 3>mentioning in there, I think are things we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be touching upon in today's discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting. I like your drawing.

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<v Speaker 3>I even like the what's the polite word to use,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say it looks like the kids

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<v Speaker 3>drawing with the crayons. Yeah, and you put it on

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<v Speaker 3>the refrigerator. But I like that look. I like that aesthetic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh cool, thanks, Yeah, that's exactly what they would tell

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<v Speaker 1>me in Catechuman class for Orthodox Church is that eve

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<v Speaker 1>would was deceived and Adam sinned willingly, and in that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to separate judgments, to separate responsibilities, to separate

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<v Speaker 1>ways of being culpable, like you said, for the same action.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So Satan, the lucifer, the adversary, the evil one.

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<v Speaker 1>He is all about deception, right, and manipulation of our

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<v Speaker 1>free will through mind control. And I just to go

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<v Speaker 1>back a little bit in time. When we were use

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<v Speaker 1>bookshopping the other day, I found this one subliminal subduction.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you being sexually aroused by this picture? Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>only a picture of, you know, a glass of ice

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, But we all know these subliminal messages, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've gone through these in Disney movies and other cartoons

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<v Speaker 1>and commercials before in the past. But I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to remind you that this kind of stuff has been

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<v Speaker 1>going on for so long, and it's even becoming more

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated with the use of AI and algorithm that can

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<v Speaker 1>basically turn you into whatever kind of person that it

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<v Speaker 1>wants you to be. Right, So yeah, let's just start

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that show adolescence because Redpill Boys and Manisphere,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is the biggest probably influence that I

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<v Speaker 1>have seen online in the past couple of years. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't touch me?

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently I must have been too busy being ruckus or something. Yeah, lah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole manosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>Think I missed all of that. I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I think at that time I was just completely back

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<v Speaker 3>in my normal work life and just focusing on that

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<v Speaker 3>and just listening to Boiler Room and Sunday Wire and

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<v Speaker 3>that's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't even like watching you guys your content on

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<v Speaker 3>the side. I was just sticking to those two programs.

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<v Speaker 3>So this whole concept, I think I missed most of this.

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<v Speaker 3>And then, obviously, since I'm no longer an adolescent, I

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<v Speaker 3>can only imagine what the kids are going through. I

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<v Speaker 3>think about that lot, you know, when I'm dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>my own experiences online and social media and twitters and

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<v Speaker 3>facebooks and whatnot, I'm like, holy crap, it must be

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<v Speaker 3>like impossible for kids. Like what else it is doing

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<v Speaker 3>to our kids? Oh my goodness. Well, you know, clearly

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of one of the problems, at least suggested

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<v Speaker 3>in this television series. It was on Netflix right is

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<v Speaker 3>that your interactions, and thanks to social media, these algorithms

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<v Speaker 3>in the real world, i e. Like, cause you to

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely, it's influencing all sorts of crazy ways. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean now, even things like grape is on the table

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<v Speaker 1>as redefining what this is and is it good or bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Or should we do it? It's just getting really out

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<v Speaker 1>attacked me pretty bad, and I noticed that. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about occultist, Satanist, deep state villains, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>World Economic Forum, all of these super bad entities for

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<v Speaker 1>so long, and I've been on boiler room with you

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<v Speaker 1>for at least ten years. And you know how many

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<v Speaker 1>people have come back to attack me from these dark sides. Zero.

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<v Speaker 1>I have had zero pushback or mean comments, nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But about a year ago, I got so much hate

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<v Speaker 1>mail from Orthodox boys and I'm like, not even Satanists

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<v Speaker 1>are this like rude to me? So what is going

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<v Speaker 1>on here? So there's got to be something to this manisphere,

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<v Speaker 1>this adolescence red pill, which I think you know is

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<v Speaker 1>of the West in through religion. I think it's starting

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<v Speaker 1>Because all of the red Pill guys are like, never

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<v Speaker 1>get married, you can't trust a woman. They're all hypergamas,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all liars. So the only thing you can trust

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think, Well, I think I might be

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<v Speaker 3>I think in general not to I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 3>But what we're describing here is actually just one, just

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<v Speaker 3>one out of a million different examples of these highly

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<v Speaker 3>categorized subcategories of things happening on social media. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think when a company like Netflix makes a series based

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<v Speaker 3>around a fictional scenario that hits close to the headlines

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<v Speaker 3>and become successful, and then the whole thing goes viral

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<v Speaker 3>and they talk about it in the news and here

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<v Speaker 3>we are discussing it on this podcast, and other podcasters

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<v Speaker 3>have brought this series up and reviewed it, etc. And

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this. What you're talking about is like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>what does this mean for the dynamics between men and

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<v Speaker 3>women in society? And I think that that's important and

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<v Speaker 3>it's always important. But the fact that it's happening and

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<v Speaker 3>that it's in the discussion the way it is is

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<v Speaker 3>all because it's part of this bigger issue of the

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<v Speaker 3>social media. These things would not be so popular. They

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be I think. I think a lot of people want,

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<v Speaker 3>to let me put it this way, would possibly want

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<v Speaker 3>to identify in some of these groups, these online chatrooms

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<v Speaker 3>what claim to be identify as or whatever, just for

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<v Speaker 3>that purpose because it gives them a sense of purpose,

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<v Speaker 3>It gives them an identity. And they see people online

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<v Speaker 3>on social media who are influencers. Think about that word

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<v Speaker 3>obviously influence. What are they influencing?

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<v Speaker 2>Parents? They're influencing your kids below.

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<v Speaker 3>So like you got people like the and your tates

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<v Speaker 3>and you brought up the Ortheedox Bros. They probably have

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<v Speaker 3>like a tight knit community where people feel like they

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<v Speaker 3>which is the unofficial name for the people who listen

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<v Speaker 3>to and hang out and are on the boiler room

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<v Speaker 3>and associated with ACR. The our way of thinking, we

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<v Speaker 3>call ourselves social rejects because we've been rejected socially from

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<v Speaker 3>all these other groups, but we're still stuck inside of

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<v Speaker 2>Group, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I struggle with these things sometimes, But I think

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<v Speaker 3>what you're mentioning here is hit home with you as

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<v Speaker 3>a woman, right and in a relationship the way God intended,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with your husband and everything. So I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I just it escapes my world, my

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<v Speaker 3>current reality. So I think that's why it doesn't affect

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<v Speaker 3>me so much. I'm not going to be swayed by

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<v Speaker 3>someone's opinion that I see online. That's not going to

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<v Speaker 3>dictate how I feel about women. And also, when I

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<v Speaker 3>hear a person who happens to be a woman, and

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<v Speaker 3>I know what a woman is and I'm not a biologist,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to be a biologist to know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to judge them for what they say.

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<v Speaker 3>Because every human being, whether they're male or female, has

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<v Speaker 3>the right to be heard and give their opinion. And

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<v Speaker 3>if they're completely wrong, well, hey, it might be my

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<v Speaker 3>job to try to convince them otherwise. But I don't

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<v Speaker 3>need to sit there judge them, troll them, heckle them.

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<v Speaker 3>And these are things, These are phenomenons. It's cyberbully them.

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<v Speaker 3>These are phenomenons which again, only exist in this reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Of social media.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about something like when did people start

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<v Speaker 3>trolling people on social media? Like when did this become

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<v Speaker 3>a thing? Why is this a thing? Like I've never

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get.

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<v Speaker 3>And then but reviewing some of these talking points that

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, okay, this is yet again another manifestation of

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<v Speaker 3>it's necessarily the insul culture or that line of thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Let those people be broken people and think whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to whoever they are. I'm not even judging

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<v Speaker 2>the manisphere at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm not judging feminists, but I'm just saying, let

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<v Speaker 2>Let the manosphere or big manisphere.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's the social media that can take these things,

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<v Speaker 3>whipped them up in a blender, cause it to be

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<v Speaker 3>not have ever ever considered being before.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Data is exactly what we're talking about. And in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go over this book Ten arguments for

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<v Speaker 1>deleting your social media account right now. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to do it, you guys out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but just remember, like I remember, that this phone is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get me to do something and it is

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<v Speaker 1>usurping my free will. So back to adolescence. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>thought this was a pretty good show just as a drama.

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<v Speaker 1>In the way that it was filmed, it was very creative.

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<v Speaker 1>Every episode was one continuous scene, so I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how they, I mean, so talented, and even the children

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<v Speaker 1>enthralling and it really pulls you in. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>just a point I had about the actual technical aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of the show itself. But it is about a thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy named Jamie. So all the Jamie's, they're

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with the world. I know, we're also hypergamas.

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<v Speaker 1>But his name is Jamie. They call him Jay, which

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of funny. But this character is an amalgam

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<v Speaker 1>of different news stories about young boys being involved in

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<v Speaker 1>knife crimes in the UK, and all of these stories

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<v Speaker 1>were about non white boys. So I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that they had they chose like a native white

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<v Speaker 1>boy to kind of anchor the story on because the

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<v Speaker 1>data that made up the stories of this show was

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<v Speaker 1>about immigrant boys. So what do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 3>I think you were not the only one who made

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<v Speaker 3>that observation, and I think I was aware of the

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<v Speaker 3>controversy surrounding the show in that particular department. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of news stories coming across my feed saying like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>how darely Netflix? You're ignoring the elephant in the room,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the dirty immigrants, that kind of thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is getting into things like toxic masculinity, which

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<v Speaker 1>comes across the feed a lot these days. And again

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think masculinity is toxic, But when people are

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<v Speaker 1>saying that there's no such thing as an inceel because

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<v Speaker 1>if I want to. So incel is not a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's getting really disturbing. But I notice that they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the loneliness epidemic and the toxic masculinity. They're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>gentle with the due process when they come to arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there has been a murder at the school

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<v Speaker 1>and they have him on films, so they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>Industrial Revolution. So I thought that was a weird thing

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<v Speaker 2>Is it implied he learned that by hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>his brain has been hijacked with these ideas. They go

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<v Speaker 1>through all of the classic talking points. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole eighty percent of women initiate all the divorces and

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<v Speaker 1>women because of attraction differentials. And it's just it's also

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we talked about this with Father Deacon. A

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now I'm convinced people are just stupid Jie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, it is really really crazy. So they're trying

420
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<v Speaker 1>to paint this portrait that social media and the MANACUA

421
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>content in particular has uh made the students very naughty,

422
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:31.440
<v Speaker 1>very violent, very disrespectful, very unruly, especially to women teachers.

423
00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the boys say, I don't have to listen

424
00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:34.799
<v Speaker 1>to you because you're just a woman. You hold no

425
00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.240
<v Speaker 1>authority over me, even though she's the adult and he's

426
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the child. What else are they talking about, Oh, just

427
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:49.079
<v Speaker 1>what the the uh internet has taught them about how

428
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you have to trick women into fraternizing with you because

429
00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:59.400
<v Speaker 1>there's uh it's possible to get one in the normal way.

430
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:05.119
<v Speaker 1>They do mention the words perma version in cell and

431
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>cyber bullying with emojis. I know that's kind of silly.

432
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:10.279
<v Speaker 4>But.

433
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Me and you come from a world before the Internet.

434
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.559
<v Speaker 1>You remember that, Yeah?

435
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, yeah, I think the closest thing we had

436
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:25.319
<v Speaker 3>to social media was like passing notes around in class, right, and.

437
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:30.079
<v Speaker 1>The world was It was almost so much better for

438
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>your mental health back then. I would hate to grow

439
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 1>up now just being expected to have some kind of

440
00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>online following. I mean that drives me crazy anyways, as

441
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>an adult trying to get the numbers up.

442
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:44.559
<v Speaker 3>But back then kids could get bullied like me all

443
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:47.039
<v Speaker 3>the time, mercilessly, and then they wouldn't go shoot up

444
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:47.519
<v Speaker 3>their school.

445
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:50.039
<v Speaker 2>It was fun, you know, good old times. Things are

446
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:51.240
<v Speaker 2>changed now. Wow.

447
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So bullying has led to actual crimes in this show,

448
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:05.079
<v Speaker 1>and they call it the Andrew take shite. Like I said,

449
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>he's got an attitude with every female like officer teacher,

450
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and I thought this was interesting. So he has a

451
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.440
<v Speaker 1>blue collar dad with anger issues, but throughout the show

452
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.599
<v Speaker 1>he's a pretty good dad. Like he's present, He's there

453
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.640
<v Speaker 1>at the arrest, at the you know, drama, at the trial,

454
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>all of these things. He cares about his son. And

455
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I think what they're trying to get across here is

456
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.319
<v Speaker 1>that the parents are not are no match for what

457
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 1>they see online, because the parents did not slip, really,

458
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.599
<v Speaker 1>they just let him be on his computer in the room,

459
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and he was radicalized so easily.

460
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:54.200
<v Speaker 2>That is interesting.

461
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's see what else. So, oh, this is what

462
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought was entering. The victim her name was Katie,

463
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't even have a character. So the only footage you

464
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>see is just like maybe her profile or when she

465
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:16.599
<v Speaker 1>fell on the police footage. She had no lines, no character,

466
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>no nothing. The entire thing was about the perpetrator, the

467
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 1>thirteen year old boy Jamie and his inner world. And

468
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 1>so I just I was like, they pretty much erased

469
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the victim out of this whole thing and made him

470
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>to be the victim because of social media.

471
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Speaker 2>That's really fascinating. Ye I was thinking that right now.

472
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 3>It's like, Wow, they even dehumanized the fake character for

473
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 3>the purpose of the film.

474
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 2>That's insane. I wonder if they did that on purpose.

475
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I wonder too, because it was such a contrast. Every scene,

476
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, had this little boy Jamie in it, and

477
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 1>the actual girl that was murdered had no place in

478
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>this She was just somebody who got caught up sending

479
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>nudes or something in the school.

480
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 2>And another story ripped from the headlines.

481
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so then the boys thought that she was easy,

482
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and then when she did not take kindly to Jamie's advances,

483
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 1>that's when he stabbed her. But she has no other

484
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 1>role in this story but to die for this drama.

485
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a sacrifice. Now you've really got me.

486
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Who made this movie?

487
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, No other than Netflix, I'm not exactly sure.

488
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>You can look it up. It's called Adolescence. It's from

489
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 1>this year, twenty twenty five.

490
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 3>I heard the writer who is involved makes is known

491
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 3>for making these NonStop they're always wildly successful series like this.

492
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 3>So you know, when you're wildly successful these days, that

493
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.799
<v Speaker 3>usually means you have you know, he made it to

494
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 3>the top of the pyramid. Maybe Jamie.

495
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he's he's probably in the green or the blue,

496
00:28:54.680 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 1>you know. But yeah, so Adolescence was very easy on

497
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the boy who had been mind controlled by this content.

498
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 1>And it's so hard when all of the other boys

499
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 1>are viewing the same kind of content because now you

500
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>have a clique, you have a club, you have, you're

501
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>better than somebody. That's how all cults start, right, All

502
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>cults and fringe groups say they have the ultimate truth,

503
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>which is these stupid statistics that women are evil and

504
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.319
<v Speaker 1>we hold the keys to reality. That's how you get

505
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>these tape war rooms in all these other you know,

506
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 1>cults and offshoots, is that they think that they have

507
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>some kind of ultimate truth that another group is taking

508
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:49.599
<v Speaker 1>from you.

509
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:54.519
<v Speaker 3>Which is very easy to achieve if you want to

510
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Speaker 3>be that type of person, like a grifter or a

511
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.000
<v Speaker 3>cult leader using social media and being online. I mean again,

512
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 3>and this, none of this would happen without that concept,

513
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.400
<v Speaker 3>this idea, because we always everything that we see on

514
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 3>social media and online for the most part, even like

515
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 3>on YouTube, Like what you're watching, however you're watching this

516
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 3>right now, is like this isn't our entire life, This

517
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 3>isn't our full twenty four hour day. It's not like

518
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.319
<v Speaker 3>that series which filmed it all in one shot. You're

519
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 3>just getting a highlighted snapshot of our thoughts and our

520
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.160
<v Speaker 3>opinions and our feelings right now. And social media and

521
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 3>online and these manisphered rows and the tapes they do

522
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. They show their best life This is

523
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 3>me and my lambeaux. This is me showing off my pecks.

524
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 3>This is me hanging out with the prown star. I

525
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 3>got the cigar and the big fat wads of money.

526
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like, but that's all you see. You don't see

527
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 3>when he's sick in the toilet, or when his mommy

528
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 3>brings him chicken soup, or he hurt, he gets a

529
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 3>splinter and he cries.

530
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. We're giving this.

531
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.519
<v Speaker 3>Little, tiny, tiny pinhole snapshot of these people's lives and

532
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.359
<v Speaker 3>we try to emulate that, and it causes a problem.

533
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 3>But if this series wants to imply that that in

534
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.720
<v Speaker 3>itself is a problem, I would argue with that, because.

535
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Did the series, did the Is there going to be

536
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 2>a sequel? Is this a NonStop?

537
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 4>On me?

538
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.839
<v Speaker 3>If the Internet and the Manisphere and the influence is

539
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 3>so powerful and people are being radicalized, how come that

540
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't happen to every single child in that high school?

541
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 3>How come every single female student and teacher weren't stabbed?

542
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.880
<v Speaker 3>It was just this one incident of one broken kid

543
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 3>stabbing one victim.

544
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Speaker 2>You see what I mean?

545
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why doesn't this happen to everybody? So some people

546
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>are more susceptible to these things, and the phone knows

547
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>what kind of person even you are, so it will

548
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>us get weird. It monitors your heart rate, you're breathing,

549
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>your pupil dilation, where you're looking at the screen is

550
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>tracking all of these things that knows you better than

551
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you know itself yourself. And I kind of like my

552
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>algorithm because I'm not a weird o pervert. But it

553
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>shops for me, like it will show me things that, oh, yes,

554
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely do want that dress, and it knows exactly

555
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>like my taste and my specifications and what I like.

556
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.839
<v Speaker 1>So it does a lot of hard work for me

557
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to like looking good.

558
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 3>True story, I used to fight the algorithm. I was

559
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.960
<v Speaker 3>like when I when I first learned about all this

560
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 3>stuff a long time ago, when the only social media

561
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 3>I had was Facebook, and when I signed up for

562
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Facebook day one, it was like it was like, Okay,

563
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 3>tell us a little bit about yourself. And this was

564
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 3>many many years ago, obviously, and to tell what books

565
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>do you like? And I'm like, wait a minute, I'm

566
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 3>not telling you what books I like, right, Like, well,

567
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.920
<v Speaker 3>tell us some movies and music and bands, And I'm like,

568
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, and then I realized that by liking

569
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.839
<v Speaker 3>and following people, I was worried. I didn't even want

570
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.880
<v Speaker 3>to follow anybody I would like, I'd have to type

571
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 3>their name. So if I was like if it was

572
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.200
<v Speaker 3>back then, I'd be like, Okay, let me find out

573
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.039
<v Speaker 3>what Jay Dyer's doing, I'd have to look for Jay

574
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Dyer just to find his profile and see this. But

575
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>because I refused to follow people, because I didn't want

576
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 3>to teach the algorithm that I'm one of those dirty

577
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 3>people that's into this kind of stuff, I was scared

578
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 3>of it up from the very beginning. But and so

579
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 3>then I decided to get rebellious because you know, around

580
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.039
<v Speaker 3>that time, I became Bruckus or whatever, right, and I thought, well,

581
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna mess with it. So not only do I

582
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 3>not want the algorithm to know anything about me, I

583
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 3>want it to be fed complete lies about me. So

584
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:11.640
<v Speaker 3>I was liking and following Lady Gaga, politicians, celebrities, sports teams,

585
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 3>all this crap that I absolutely don't give an f about,

586
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.160
<v Speaker 3>just trying to mess with the algorithm. And I will

587
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.559
<v Speaker 3>tell you something, never once did I ever get fed

588
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 3>any of that content, which is very, very strange. I always,

589
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 3>no matter what I like or what I do, was

590
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:29.000
<v Speaker 3>getting fade fed whatever the mainstream propaganda was, and so

591
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, wait a minute, this is a trick, right.

592
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 3>And then you know, not long after that, we had

593
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 3>the well we'll talk about that later, but the Cambridge

594
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Analytica thing, and then you realized, oh, this has been

595
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 3>one great, big experiment to study us and learn our behaviors.

596
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>And suck up all this data. But what are they

597
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 2>going to do with it?

598
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, it turns out they're going to use it

599
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 3>to not just predict our behavior, but manipulate our behavior,

600
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 3>as you know exampled in this television show The Adolescence.

601
00:33:53.960 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, nah, manipulate the mostly the orange group, most of

602
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>humanity living you know, day to day's survival. These are

603
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 1>the normies, the sins, the NPCs, which thank God for

604
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>these people because they keep the world running in normalcy. Okay,

605
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 1>we can't all be like crazy out there magicians rooil hats. Yeah,

606
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>oh we'll get to that in a second, because all

607
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of these people are afraid of being replaced. So yeah,

608
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:29.239
<v Speaker 1>it's trying to turn you into a sim a follower

609
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of the people in the green level, And let's get

610
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 1>to this book, the Ten Arguments for Deleting this crap,

611
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>because it's just getting worse and worse, and I'm sorry,

612
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Twitter is any better than it ever was.

613
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I hated just as much. I've always hated Facebook because

614
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.199
<v Speaker 1>my post don't go anywhere. I'm maxed out on friends,

615
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 1>but I get zero thumbs or likes or comments are

616
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:58.199
<v Speaker 1>nothing like, it's crickets. So why do I have ten

617
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 1>thousand people waiting to my friend on Facebook and no

618
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>one comments anything?

619
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Facebook is a yeah. I gave up on Facebook

620
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago.

621
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 3>I recently dived back headlong first into Twitter since it

622
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:15.679
<v Speaker 3>became x and started developing my personal account. I had

623
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.199
<v Speaker 3>like another account that I've had for years that I

624
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.400
<v Speaker 3>adopted from somebody else, so it wasn't even my own

625
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 3>real account. So I created my own one a few

626
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 3>years ago and been building it up ever since, and

627
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 3>since doing my show The Daily Ruckus I need it,

628
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.719
<v Speaker 3>I was like, so I pitched the eight dollars a

629
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<v Speaker 3>month for the Blue Check market. It's useful for me

630
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<v Speaker 3>to produce my own content and put it out there,

631
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 3>but it's still just as useless to me. As Facebook

632
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<v Speaker 3>is for trying to find again, I got the feed

633
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<v Speaker 3>in the following and I still have to go find

634
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<v Speaker 3>the people that I care about, to find some good stuff,

635
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.199
<v Speaker 3>to learn about what's happening in the world, or to share.

636
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Again, the feeds are useless. What is the algorithm doing.

637
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like we were promised all this great stuff, the

638
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<v Speaker 3>best algorithm that they ever created way back in the day.

639
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<v Speaker 3>It might have been one of the first original ones.

640
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<v Speaker 3>From what I understand, I did some research about this

641
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 3>year why ago Pandora. Remember when Pandora came out and

642
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.840
<v Speaker 3>they were like, oh, since you liked this song, here's

643
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.039
<v Speaker 3>a song we think you might like, and you're like, yeah,

644
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.719
<v Speaker 3>I do like that song. That was probably one of

645
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<v Speaker 3>the most phenomenal, perfect examples of a personalized algorithm that

646
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 3>I could.

647
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm down with that.

648
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 3>But I think that they took that and then created

649
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 3>this monster, all these monsters that we're dealing with.

650
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Today, and they're creating monsters out of people too. So

651
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not just the tech ghoolie, it's the people that

652
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>turn into monsters because of what the algorithm is feeding them.

653
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 1>So this book by Jate Jaren Okay, Yeah, he looks

654
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 1>like an interesting character. He's got those dreads, the white

655
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 1>guy dreads. Yes, he looks like a you know Techi

656
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 1>rosta guy.

657
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Plays music too. Oh really, yeah, he's a musician. I

658
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 3>forget what he plays.

659
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>So, uh, that's unique. So he wrote this book in

660
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen because he just saw that how social media

661
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 1>was destroying how we connect with each other on a

662
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>very substantial level. So he was the interdisciplinary scientist at Microsoft,

663
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and he says that we are under constant surveillance, prodded

664
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.800
<v Speaker 1>by algorithms that make that make people make money off

665
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 1>of your behavior. So now we've got money and income

666
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:50.639
<v Speaker 1>into this. And that was even before a lot of

667
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 1>these things were monetized. So in twenty eighteen, Twitter wasn't monetized.

668
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 1>I think YouTube was monetized by that time. But social

669
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>media has become even more important to people because of

670
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the income that you can make.

671
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Off Facebook ads were definitely that was the thing. So yeah,

672
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 3>advertisers were you know, in case, you know, in case

673
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:13.440
<v Speaker 3>the viewer is not aware. But you can learn all

674
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.840
<v Speaker 3>that in this book right here and from other people.

675
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 3>Social media you're basically you're the product and your data

676
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 3>and you and your behavior, and all of that stuff

677
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 3>was being sold to the real consumer customer of the

678
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.159
<v Speaker 3>social media, which were the advertisers, and that was all.

679
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, It wasn't just Google doing that, but it

680
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.960
<v Speaker 3>was Facebook. Facebook was the real first big boy other

681
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 3>than Google to be doing that stuff.

682
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And did you know that Facebook started off as a

683
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 1>ranking girls in college competition. So it started off as

684
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>just a little website.

685
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Where that's what they say.

686
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>The boys can log on and rank all the girls.

687
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>But he's saying it is better than stabbing them.

688
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 1>I guess, right, Ah, yeah, I guess. So we were

689
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.119
<v Speaker 1>being hypnotized little by little, by technicians we can't see

690
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 1>for purposes. We don't know. We're all lab animals now.

691
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>And they say that if the product is free, then

692
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.760
<v Speaker 1>you are the product, right or your media?

693
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Everybody knows by now they got the create. How come

694
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Google just sent me a Gmail when they how did

695
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 3>they know I was searching on Facebook for underwear or whatever?

696
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>It knows it even listens to what you're talking about.

697
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean thousands of people have said, uh, we were

698
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>just talking about this, and then I got to add

699
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>for that, and then one step further he was like,

700
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking of something and an ad popped up.

701
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 3>That's where it gets super creepy. Yeah, yeah, I don't

702
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 3>like that.

703
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that I mean that means is it telling

704
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 1>you what to think? Or is it reading your mind?

705
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

706
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Where is it going? Right?

707
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 2>So he's where does it end and where do you begin?

708
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Right? He says, through continuously adjusted simuli, advertising becomes behavior modification.

709
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.039
<v Speaker 1>And this is the sorcery we always talk about. This

710
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 1>is the when we go back to Freud and Burnet's

711
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>and how they changed and shaped culture with the advertising

712
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>of Madison Avenue and then up into you know, the

713
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>eighties and nineties with the subliminal messages. Social media is

714
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>just a more advanced way to do that.

715
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 3>It's still media, right. They didn't take that word out

716
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 3>of it, did they, right?

717
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.320
<v Speaker 1>And what is the cultural media but the Petri dish

718
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>that these scientists egg, you know, introduced the bacteria or

719
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 1>the things and see what grows and what doesn't.

720
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 3>And of course media is plural for medium and we

721
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>all know what a medium.

722
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Is, right, Yes, it is a person who is the

723
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 1>intermediary between you know, the spirit world and the mundane world.

724
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 3>Why do they pick these names? Why do they pick

725
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.800
<v Speaker 3>these words when they create these things, they'll never understand.

726
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:57.280
<v Speaker 3>They're like, oh, yeah, that's a good word for that.

727
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 3>Don't you think someone's gonna question? No, Now, we'll just

728
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<v Speaker 3>go there, like, well, we're creating radio television. What should

729
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 3>we call each of these two. We'll call them channels?

730
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, channels a point because they were channeling.

731
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do we call this show? We'll call it programming? Okay,

732
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:13.239
<v Speaker 2>why did.

733
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>The program a computer?

734
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 2>They're programming us.

735
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they're programming our biocomputer, which is our brain. Media,

736
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't media. Goddess. I'm looking that up right now too.

737
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 2>That might be too. I forgot about that.

738
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.559
<v Speaker 1>There you go is known in most stories as a

739
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 1>sorceress and associated with pharma KaiA, So that makes sense.

740
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:41.320
<v Speaker 1>So there's your Greek Greek connection to your goddess connection.

741
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:46.119
<v Speaker 1>He said, before computers, there were studies in behaviorism. So

742
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what we're talking about with Bernese and psychology, the

743
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Freudian path versus the Youngian path or the other people

744
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>who had different ideas about how to get people out

745
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 1>of these existential mental crisises. But he said, for the

746
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 1>early behaviorism people, you know you've got Pavlov right and

747
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>his bell and the salivating dogs, and so who is

748
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>hungry and who's not? You've got be a skinner and

749
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 1>his animals getting treats. You've got, uh who else? Can

750
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 1>you think of anybody else that was doing these mind

751
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.280
<v Speaker 1>control Well.

752
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I was always a bigger fan of the negative reinforcement.

753
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Not just kidding, the punishment, Yeah.

754
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Bad dog, just kidding.

755
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, so we're talking about is operate conditioning, which is

756
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 1>streamlined to perfection almost with social media and the Internet,

757
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and these are basically behavior modification empires, Facebook X, all

758
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of these social media websites. He has a nickname for them,

759
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.199
<v Speaker 1>which he calls Bummer.

760
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>The bummer business model, right, yeah.

761
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>The bummer machine, which is something like your brain on

762
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.400
<v Speaker 1>sale for these advertisers. All come to the actual thing

763
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:18.360
<v Speaker 1>in a second book, Yeah, the War for the data

764
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 1>of your mind.

765
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 3>The real bummer is that the people who do this

766
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 3>to us on a daily basis know exactly what they're doing.

767
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 2>They don't care.

768
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and they won't even let their kids use it.

769
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>They don't use it because they know. And spoiler alert,

770
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 1>at the end of this book he's going to go

771
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 1>into AI. In the very last pages like this is

772
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.199
<v Speaker 1>an AI cult that these.

773
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.039
<v Speaker 2>It was written seven years ago.

774
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>He wrote that book, right, Yeah, and he would know.

775
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 1>So even the former Facebook cegos agree that this is

776
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a dopamine driven feedback loop and it is destroying how

777
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 1>society works. And they create a great creating it, some

778
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of them.

779
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm sure they do. Yeah, yeah, try I try again.

780
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not buying that.

781
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 3>The dopamine thing, that's actually a huge part of all

782
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 3>of this because, like, because that's the new piece to

783
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 3>all of this. Sure, we've had the media and the

784
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.440
<v Speaker 3>propaganda and the persuasion and all of these things, right,

785
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 3>behavior modification and the studies and the research, but now

786
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 3>we're going to introduce the gaming, the gamification of it

787
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 3>with the dopamine hit. Same thing with the gambling, right,

788
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.840
<v Speaker 3>and you get the lights and the sounds and the

789
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 3>mechanical behavior of the swiping. Remember seeing the videos of

790
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 3>the babies who were sleeping taking the napsuck in the

791
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 3>thumb and they were just still swiping in their sleep. Okay,

792
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:42.840
<v Speaker 3>So there is a mechanical like physical addiction going on

793
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 3>here involved with all of these things. Because of what

794
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 3>you keep bringing up, the little black mirror device that

795
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>you carry in your pocket, big brother, and my purse right,

796
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 3>the phone, the device, right, which is a very important

797
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 3>key part of all of this. But yeah, the dopamine

798
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 3>thing is is huge because and it's evil. It's evil evil.

799
00:44:59.840 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>You.

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00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, what they took is they literally took the basic

801
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:07.880
<v Speaker 3>human desire for connection with other human beings and turned

802
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.800
<v Speaker 3>it into a drug. They monetized it, but they turned

803
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 3>our need for connecting with other human beings into a drug,

804
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 3>these morofos.

805
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.599
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, no, that you're exactly right. And I'm thinking of

806
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:24.239
<v Speaker 1>when they do studies with rats in the laboratory and

807
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>they give them an addictive substance and if it's strong enough,

808
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.199
<v Speaker 1>they'll just like keep eating it until they die. Well,

809
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 1>they found out that the reason these rats do this

810
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 1>is because they have no rat friends, they have no

811
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>rat families, they have no rat habitat. They're just a

812
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.719
<v Speaker 1>lone rat in a cage. Of course, he's just going

813
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to keep on eating the stuff until he dies because

814
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>he's got nothing else to do. But you can use

815
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 1>this as a metaphor for people too. If you've got friends,

816
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>if you've got family, if you've got people, tell you know,

817
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.800
<v Speaker 1>if you've got people around you, like in the three

818
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.800
<v Speaker 1>D world that love and care about you, You're not

819
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be as susceptible to these dopamine uh gorges

820
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 1>as you would normally be.

821
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

822
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 3>And like Billy Corgan the Smashing Pumpkins said, despite all

823
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:14.400
<v Speaker 3>my rage, I'm still.

824
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Just a yes, all my rage. Yeah, he knew. So

825
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 1>you're carrying around your your rat cage in your pocket

826
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 1>and the cage is in your mind, man, right, Like

827
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you got to free your mind first. And this is

828
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 1>you know where Christianity and christ really helps, because that

829
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:39.159
<v Speaker 1>is the beginning of freedom is up here and you

830
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.159
<v Speaker 1>can actually be a slave in the real world and

831
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.639
<v Speaker 1>be freer than your masters if your mind is in

832
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the correct place.

833
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Your mind and the rest will follow.

834
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:54.480
<v Speaker 1>There's another song, your mind, don't be so shadow exactly.

835
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>So Facebook, well, their old model, i mean their old

836
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 1>motto was move fast and break things, did you. Yeah,

837
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of what you see with the

838
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 1>tech bros. And like the Doge and Elon Musk and stuff.

839
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.760
<v Speaker 1>They're like that's their the way they operate. They just

840
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 1>get in there and they break things and they will

841
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 1>fix them later and who cares. We'll just like they

842
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:22.119
<v Speaker 1>make it.

843
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 3>They call it disruptive technologies, right, disruptive businesses, And I'm like,

844
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 3>you're still being disruptive anyways.

845
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, like the whole deconstruction, I don't really

846
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>adhere to that. I don't want to like plow it

847
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:41.079
<v Speaker 1>down and spill from scratch. I am a proponent of

848
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>working with what we have and where we're at. I

849
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 1>don't want to go back to any other weird place,

850
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to like live in the techno future.

851
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to like just grow and use what we

852
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:51.239
<v Speaker 1>have already.

853
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, the people in the green on your chart, their

854
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 3>practice the order ab KO, and they believe this is

855
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.719
<v Speaker 3>the only way for them to achieve their desired outcomes

856
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 3>is by tearing everything down, build back better, baby.

857
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:03.440
<v Speaker 2>You know.

858
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, deconstruct accelerationism, all of this stuff to break down.

859
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 1>It's very alchemical, it's very sorcery. It's very like, uh,

860
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 1>solve a and coagula, right, a magician. So he's saying,

861
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.840
<v Speaker 1>oh the models, Yeah, so move fast and break things

862
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 1>is a Facebook old motto. And then do you remember

863
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>when Google's old model was don't be evil.

864
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Don't be Oh absolutely, they tried to erase that from history.

865
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 3>If I'm not mistaken, they'll they'll they'll straight up just

866
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.440
<v Speaker 3>deny that. Now. I think they're going to make that disappear. Yeah,

867
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 3>I definitely remember that. They made a whole documentary about that.

868
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Was actually one of the things that I was like,

869
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 3>oh wow, I remember watching this documentary that I can't

870
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.039
<v Speaker 3>remember the name of for the life of me. I

871
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:49.920
<v Speaker 3>was trying to find it to watch it again sometime

872
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 3>this week. But yeah, like that was their motto, and

873
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 3>they know all, they understand everything about the way the

874
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 3>algorithms work, and the biggest amount of data we've been

875
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 3>feeding that a people forget about is inside the search

876
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.840
<v Speaker 3>bar when we type say something to look up. We

877
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 3>think we're looking for information, but this whole time we've

878
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.320
<v Speaker 3>been feeding the information to them. And then of course

879
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.639
<v Speaker 3>they used that to train their chat GPTs. But we'll

880
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 3>get into that later.

881
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:24.280
<v Speaker 1>So he says that everybody that uses social media, you

882
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 1>can become an addict, right, like a full blown addict, tweaker.

883
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I get nervous if I don't know where my phone is,

884
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.719
<v Speaker 1>or if I haven't checked my emails in a couple hours,

885
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 1>or if I haven't you know, looked at what's going

886
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>on on X today. I'm like, it's not my addiction.

887
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just monitoring the situation. But no, I need to

888
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.960
<v Speaker 1>get off it and stop doom scrolling. And how many

889
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 1>times has Jay walked in and been like, don't just scroll, babe,

890
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 1>don't just scroll, babe, don't just scroll, like I hear

891
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>him multiple times a day, don't just scroll Like, Okay,

892
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I get on, I post my crap, and I get

893
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 1>off and make more original content.

894
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Dude.

895
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.679
<v Speaker 3>The doom scroll might be a new phenomenon since he

896
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 3>wrote that book, but I don't know.

897
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, he's saying like this is so addicting you

898
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 1>cannot help but become an addict. And then number two,

899
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 1>all addicts become liars because the addiction grows and grows

900
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and you have to hide it.

901
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>So you have this this where it gets weird to me.

902
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't, I don't know.

903
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Maybe this is a problem with the kids because the

904
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.760
<v Speaker 3>parents who are trying to like keep the kids off

905
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.440
<v Speaker 3>of it or something, But like, I don't, I don't

906
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 3>feel like I need to hide the fact that I'm

907
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.480
<v Speaker 3>using social media from something like Yeah, I don't know.

908
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's just a danger for somebody who's addicted to

909
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a social media to become addicted to other things like

910
00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 1>pornography or like it's a gateway drug, right, and it's

911
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>programming your brain to it's frying out your dopamines basically, right.

912
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 3>I guess I see you because like TikTok's not enough,

913
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Like that that didn't didn't appease them, It didn't take

914
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 3>too long before Well now we need TikTok challenges, right, yeah.

915
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And shorter and shorter. I mean, I know my attention

916
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 1>span is uh getting worse and worse, Like I feel

917
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>like I've accomplished something if I watch a movie from.

918
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 3>See that's that's again related to this dopamine thing. And

919
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 3>and the AI is a bigger problem with this, which

920
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 3>again hopefully we'll talk about later. But again, so social

921
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 3>media before the entrance of the AI again, I want

922
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:42.920
<v Speaker 3>to get I don't want to get ahead of myself here.

923
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 3>It was already rewiring our brains the way we use

924
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:48.800
<v Speaker 3>and interact with people and things on social media.

925
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he brought that up in the

926
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 2>book or not.

927
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is. We're rewiring your brain to the addict

928
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>model behavior, right, Yeah.

929
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 3>It's it's not it's not spec to social media, but

930
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 3>because it's become addictive, this is what happens to you.

931
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

932
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But then he goes on to say it's not

933
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 1>always about pleasure because it also uses punishment and negative reinforcement.

934
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Your favorite, right, rage bait? So do you get raged everything? Well,

935
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it creates trolls because now everyone's addicted to the rage bait.

936
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 1>I am a victim of this. Oh and oh, I

937
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.239
<v Speaker 1>forgot to mention with the manisphere and the cults and everything.

938
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like, if you can give somebody the superiority complex

939
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 1>and a victim mentality at the same time, then you

940
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:40.639
<v Speaker 1>can empty their pockets.

941
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 3>Holy moly, that's what psychopaths do to take advantage of

942
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 3>people weird exactly.

943
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So all of these podcast bros and these creators who

944
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>think are just like cool guys who want to see

945
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you become a cool guy. No, they are selling you,

946
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.360
<v Speaker 1>hook Line Sinker a superiority complex with your victim mentality,

947
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and now everything else is everything is someone else's fault.

948
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Right the main because it's probably not because they're satanic

949
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.719
<v Speaker 3>or evil though, Jamie, it's just because they're trying to

950
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 3>make a lot of money grifting off of you.

951
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.159
<v Speaker 1>So it's okay, yeah, it's just greed. That really chaps

952
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.679
<v Speaker 1>my hide sometimes when that's the only thing that people

953
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>can think motivates these technocrats is greed, I'm like, you

954
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.840
<v Speaker 1>got to think outside the box. Man. They're demon possessed. Okay,

955
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>They're humans who have knowingly gained aligned with the devil

956
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and they hate humanity.

957
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 3>So they're almosting those grifters that I just mentioned. They're

958
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.119
<v Speaker 3>not part of the upper echelon at all.

959
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 1>No, but they the upper echelon uses them to influence

960
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:50.559
<v Speaker 1>the most people.

961
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, very important that you bring that up.

962
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:57.800
<v Speaker 1>So, and the way they do this is through rage

963
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>based So they have noticed that people will engage more

964
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.679
<v Speaker 1>with social media content if it makes them angry. So

965
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 1>it's not even about making your little happies in your dopamines.

966
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.159
<v Speaker 1>It's about controlling you by whatever means they can. And

967
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>negative emotions is more powerful than positive emotions. And there's

968
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.079
<v Speaker 1>a reason for that, because you know, if you get hurt,

969
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to remember I stepped on that thing, or

970
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 1>I burnt myself or you know whatever things are steered

971
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 1>into your memory because you're trying to your brain is

972
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:33.360
<v Speaker 1>trying to protect its body. You remember negative things more

973
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:35.559
<v Speaker 1>than you remember positive things because you don't have to

974
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:36.320
<v Speaker 1>for survival.

975
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.199
<v Speaker 2>No, that's that's good. Yeah, I agree.

976
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:47.559
<v Speaker 1>So social media is both the treats and the electric shocks.

977
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just very unique. I don't I can't think

978
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:52.519
<v Speaker 2>of anything else that's like that.

979
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you it's like the thing that shocks the

980
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 1>rat and it's the little treat that comes out of

981
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 1>the shoot because the negative emotions are easier engagement. He

982
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 1>also says that addicts become zombies. They lose their obviously

983
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.559
<v Speaker 1>their ability to exercise free will because you're addicted to something.

984
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to be doing this, but you do

985
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>it anyways, and that is going against your own self.

986
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 1>That's weird, isn't it insidious? And here you just thought

987
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.679
<v Speaker 1>you were interacting with a bunch of cool people and

988
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, follow my friends on Instagram. But no,

989
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:39.159
<v Speaker 1>you're being sucked in and turned into some kind of zombie.

990
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:41.280
<v Speaker 1>The more that you use.

991
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.360
<v Speaker 3>That and you know nothing about those people that you're

992
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:46.559
<v Speaker 3>interacting with online, I mean, especially these days. Again, I

993
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:48.400
<v Speaker 3>don't want to get ahead of myself, but they might

994
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 3>not even be real people.

995
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Just saying, oh, that's been proved a bunch of times,

996
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of the Tradwife's accounts that you know

997
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 1>do this, like Super Submissive BDSM, tradwife cause place, those

998
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.039
<v Speaker 1>have been proven to be men. And then a lot

999
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.320
<v Speaker 1>of the red pill manisphere comes from Pakistan.

1000
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 3>Hey man, if you know, if it's going to get

1001
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.519
<v Speaker 3>you the clicks and the views and the likes, and

1002
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.719
<v Speaker 3>you can sell a sponsored product and make an affiliate commission,

1003
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 3>do it right.

1004
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 1>You get this illusion that these are just like well

1005
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:30.639
<v Speaker 1>meaning and like socialized people that have thought really hard

1006
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.719
<v Speaker 1>about things and this is their valuable opinion. But I

1007
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.920
<v Speaker 1>have noticed that most of this crap is just people

1008
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 1>who are drunk posting things on X or from the toilet.

1009
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.239
<v Speaker 1>So that's what the only thing that makes me feel

1010
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:47.840
<v Speaker 1>better when I get a negative comment, I'm like, this

1011
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.280
<v Speaker 1>probably was from a person taking a dump and they

1012
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 1>just like, screw you, and so what do you think?

1013
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean?

1014
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.360
<v Speaker 3>That's another part of the social media emboldens so many

1015
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.039
<v Speaker 3>of us to be a holes. And I know he

1016
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.639
<v Speaker 3>talks about that in this book for darn sure, because

1017
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:07.480
<v Speaker 3>we feel falsely so that we're anonymous online, right, Like

1018
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 3>the Ruckus. Like when I became Ruckus a long time ago.

1019
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:12.480
<v Speaker 3>The only reason I was Ruckus because I didn't want

1020
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.639
<v Speaker 3>anyone to know that that's Adam Clark doing all this

1021
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and saying these things I was scared of do. And

1022
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 3>then I when I did a podcast, like, no one

1023
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:20.960
<v Speaker 3>can know who I really am. My friends Hesher and

1024
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Sport didn't even know my real name, you know what

1025
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean. So I was like, so it was a

1026
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 3>big decision of mine, you know, not that long ago,

1027
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, right around the P word time, the mysterious

1028
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.000
<v Speaker 3>disease that shut down the world. That when I came

1029
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.679
<v Speaker 3>back out of the you know, retirement, I was like, well,

1030
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to be my full name. You know,

1031
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.000
<v Speaker 3>people still know me as Ruckus, so I'll be like,

1032
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 3>it's Adam Clark, but AKA, you still know me as Ruckus,

1033
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 3>and I still go by Ruckus of course. But I'm

1034
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Speaker 3>not afraid to be who I really am, you know.

1035
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 3>And that was a big problem because when you're hiding

1036
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.519
<v Speaker 3>behind a person, a fake personality or a name. Youah, sure,

1037
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:57.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm an on air personality now, but I am who

1038
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.280
<v Speaker 3>and you know what I say, am. You just have

1039
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:00.960
<v Speaker 3>to take my word for that. Don't take my word

1040
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:02.400
<v Speaker 3>for that. I want you to do your own research.

1041
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 3>That's what Bill Cooper would say. But I mean at

1042
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:06.880
<v Speaker 3>least a real human being. And I'm not trying to

1043
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 3>grift anybody. Obviously you could see I'm skinny, I don't

1044
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 3>eat much. I don't have a lot of money. I

1045
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 3>don't make money doing this. I do this because it's

1046
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:14.840
<v Speaker 3>fun for me. It's a hobby and I think it's

1047
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.079
<v Speaker 3>important to have these discussions. And a lot of people

1048
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 3>don't have the know how, the talent, or the willingness

1049
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 3>to do this. So those who can do that's why

1050
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.559
<v Speaker 3>you guys do this, I think. But you know, but again,

1051
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:31.199
<v Speaker 3>when you're hiding behind anonymous I'm user of big Balls.

1052
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm big Balls on Twitter.

1053
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:34.519
<v Speaker 3>The guy who joined the Dog and then he's now

1054
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:37.119
<v Speaker 3>part of the US government. It's like, because nobody wants

1055
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.599
<v Speaker 3>to know that that guy's real name is Jason Spencer

1056
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.400
<v Speaker 3>or whatever it might be. Sorry if your name's Jason Spencer.

1057
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm using that as an example here. So when we're

1058
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.360
<v Speaker 3>hiding behind things and names, then we act like complete

1059
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 3>a holes and it causes this problem and then the

1060
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 3>rage baiting is like snowballs and you've been there, and

1061
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.519
<v Speaker 3>the next thing you know, you're like, yeah, I'm ready

1062
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.000
<v Speaker 3>to just take a break from social media. Oh my god,

1063
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:02.960
<v Speaker 3>that was a lot of work. Just scrolling my doom

1064
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:04.280
<v Speaker 3>feed today. It's crazy.

1065
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we we don't get in fights about very much,

1066
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 1>but when he does get annoyed with me, it's because

1067
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I got rage baited. Right. He's like, just put the

1068
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 1>phone down if no one is hurting you, And I'm like,

1069
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.400
<v Speaker 1>but they said this thing, and he's right, you know.

1070
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I just got the t okay, the trolls.

1071
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:27.199
<v Speaker 3>I used to have to try to get the last

1072
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 3>word in with the trolls, and I'd made it into

1073
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:30.000
<v Speaker 3>a game and.

1074
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 2>I got really good about it.

1075
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:33.119
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, oh my god, I'm wasting like

1076
00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:36.880
<v Speaker 3>hours just responding to these trolls. My new tactic that

1077
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I started doing probably about four or five years ago. Now, yeah, yeah,

1078
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:42.760
<v Speaker 3>that's about right. Is I just if they start trolling,

1079
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.239
<v Speaker 3>I block them and I don't have to ever see

1080
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 3>or hear from them again. But that doesn't work on Twitter, unfortunately,

1081
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:52.599
<v Speaker 3>because every person that I stopped following and block I

1082
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:54.920
<v Speaker 3>still have to see on my feed. I don't understand

1083
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:57.159
<v Speaker 3>how that works. It's because everyone else I follow still

1084
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.639
<v Speaker 3>follows them and reposts their crap tries me insane. But anyways, yeah,

1085
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:02.559
<v Speaker 3>just brought them and walk away. Your life is so

1086
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 3>much easier.

1087
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't have very many people blocked because I don't

1088
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 1>want to give them the satisfaction because then they'll just

1089
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.159
<v Speaker 1>like post, oh Jamie blocked me. So I just mute

1090
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:11.440
<v Speaker 1>them so I know who's an idiot.

1091
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's the other option yet, just as well as

1092
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 3>you don't have to see it and just you just

1093
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:17.599
<v Speaker 3>they don't exist out of sight, out of mind.

1094
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:19.719
<v Speaker 1>And if I see a comment from a post that

1095
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it says what you have muted this person and I

1096
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:23.880
<v Speaker 1>click on it, I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember why,

1097
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Like now I know why. So quitting social media, according

1098
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 1>to this book, is the best way to resist insanity.

1099
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 1>And this is the chapter. He calls it the bummer machine,

1100
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 1>behaviors of users modified and made into an empire for rent.

1101
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:47.079
<v Speaker 1>So that's a pretty loose acronym for bummer. But yeah,

1102
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 1>he's saying, your brain, your mind, your behavior is for rent, right.

1103
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.480
<v Speaker 3>And who's renting, who's buying space in your brain? That's

1104
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:02.599
<v Speaker 3>probably what we should figure out.

1105
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Zucky buck Musk, all of these technocrats.

1106
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:11.199
<v Speaker 3>And they use in less unless it's election season and

1107
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:13.079
<v Speaker 3>then they take a break and it's it's all every

1108
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:14.840
<v Speaker 3>politician doing it to you, right.

1109
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and it's like who what politician do they

1110
01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:20.960
<v Speaker 1>align with? Like these people know everything about politics and

1111
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 1>who's the best candidate. And it's just crazy how people

1112
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:27.840
<v Speaker 1>follow celebrities like they know they know the first thing

1113
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 1>about who to vote for. It's amazing.

1114
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Johnny Depp, he's my personal advisor on everything.

1115
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, vote the way he votes for sure. Or

1116
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Sean Penn like he's the worst pretender who sued in politics,

1117
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.239
<v Speaker 1>like he knows what's going on. But anyways, he says

1118
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:57.559
<v Speaker 1>attention acquisition leading to asshole supremacy. So this is one

1119
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.679
<v Speaker 1>of the first tenants of the bummer machine, which is

1120
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:03.800
<v Speaker 1>all of these social media groups. They are trying to

1121
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:08.599
<v Speaker 1>acquisition your attention and leading to asshole supremacy that you

1122
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:14.440
<v Speaker 1>just mentioned. Being an apple is incentivized because assholary equals

1123
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:18.079
<v Speaker 1>attention equals currency. And this is back in twenty eighteen.

1124
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:23.639
<v Speaker 3>The attention economy. Maybe y'all have heard that term before.

1125
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:25.800
<v Speaker 3>That's what all that is. Yeah, it's just sad to

1126
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:28.239
<v Speaker 3>know that, to say, it's the bad stuff that wins

1127
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 3>over on the good stuff. So you're telling me the

1128
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 3>keyboard cat and the happy pictures of your kids is

1129
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 3>getting less views on Facebook than the woman beating up

1130
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.079
<v Speaker 3>the guy in the burger king line.

1131
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sadly people aren't as interested in puppies as they

1132
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:48.519
<v Speaker 1>are in you know, stupid rage baiting people. I mean,

1133
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:52.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just so wild to me that there are certain

1134
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:57.760
<v Speaker 1>characters online that wake up and choose violence or choose

1135
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:01.639
<v Speaker 1>to say the most thing that will offend the most

1136
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.400
<v Speaker 1>amount of people, Like this is literally on someone's mind

1137
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.719
<v Speaker 1>as to do today. I'm gonna think of the worst

1138
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.360
<v Speaker 1>thing I could ever possibly say to get attention.

1139
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Who does that? That's weird?

1140
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I can name twenty people?

1141
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I mean, like.

1142
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Regular does that? Nobody? Because it's dangerous when you think

1143
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:26.880
<v Speaker 1>about it. I mean, if you have millions of followers

1144
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.360
<v Speaker 1>and you're pissing off an entire swath of people, you're

1145
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:32.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna have some kind of repercussion. I mean, people are

1146
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 1>gonna show up on your doorstep and fall down your stairs,

1147
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and I have you heard that story. I'm not trying

1148
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to name names but when you focus on being an asshole,

1149
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 1>it's going to crop up in your real life and

1150
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>nobody's fault but you. And that's when they They always

1151
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.159
<v Speaker 1>say victim Olympics. Oh, the left is victim Olympics, and

1152
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:55.000
<v Speaker 1>then they tweet the worst thing they can think of.

1153
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:58.559
<v Speaker 1>And when someone pushes back, Oh, who's the victim? Now, No,

1154
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 1>someone came to my house. Some victims. I don't know.

1155
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Being a victim is very popular too.

1156
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure, so is butting into everyone's lives.

1157
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.400
<v Speaker 2>He says, that's the part I hate the lead the most.

1158
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, this is what gets me. I have realized

1159
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:25.239
<v Speaker 1>nothing is good enough for you people, not you, ruckus,

1160
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 1>not my fans. I'm saying, the people that are out

1161
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 1>there that judge me or have comments, you can keep

1162
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:33.960
<v Speaker 1>your stupid comments in your pocket, because nothing is ever

1163
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:35.760
<v Speaker 1>going to be good enough for you. I'm never gonna

1164
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:38.480
<v Speaker 1>be feminine enough. I'm never gonna be Christian enough. I'm

1165
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.519
<v Speaker 1>never gonna be maternal enough. I'm never gonna be anti

1166
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:46.719
<v Speaker 1>feminist enough. It is impossible to please these people, and

1167
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:50.760
<v Speaker 1>they'll faster that you learn that as a person, the

1168
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:52.159
<v Speaker 1>happier you're going to be, too.

1169
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:54.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, you might be talking to me because this whole

1170
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:56.800
<v Speaker 3>time I was wondering, Man, I really wish you wasn't

1171
01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:57.559
<v Speaker 3>wearing that wig.

1172
01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I hate that hair.

1173
01:04:58.360 --> 01:04:59.079
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just kidding.

1174
01:04:59.199 --> 01:04:59.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm kidding.

1175
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Not natural enough. I'm never gonna make it on the internet.

1176
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so budding into everyone's lives and in a way,

1177
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 1>your friends are surveilling you in a weird way, right

1178
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:19.400
<v Speaker 1>because they're weighing in. They're judging should you be wearing that,

1179
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.239
<v Speaker 1>should you be having this child? Should you be raising

1180
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:27.000
<v Speaker 1>it this way? I'm so sick of being told how

1181
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.719
<v Speaker 1>to live by anonymous people. I don't know if you

1182
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:31.719
<v Speaker 1>have has.

1183
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:33.440
<v Speaker 2>This ever happened to you?

1184
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 3>You you got your big brother and your purse or

1185
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.719
<v Speaker 3>your your magic mystical black box device in your pocket,

1186
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 3>and you walk into a grocery store or you go

1187
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.119
<v Speaker 3>to best Buy and you pick up the latest edition

1188
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 3>of Grand Theft Auto six and you walk out the

1189
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:52.079
<v Speaker 3>store and next thing you know, your friends are texting you, dude,

1190
01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know you got Grand Theft Auto six. How

1191
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:55.840
<v Speaker 3>did they know that you just walked into the store

1192
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 3>and bought Grand Theft Auto six? Because these things have

1193
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.519
<v Speaker 3>the NFC attached them. Near field communications, and it's interacting

1194
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 3>with all of the cool fun stuff inside the stores

1195
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.679
<v Speaker 3>and sending notifications if you forgot to turn this off

1196
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.039
<v Speaker 3>on your phone, letting them know where you are and

1197
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.800
<v Speaker 3>what you're doing. Hey, how come they know that I'm

1198
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.800
<v Speaker 3>watching Netflix? How did they know that I was playing

1199
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:17.519
<v Speaker 3>that game? How do they know the last song I

1200
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.239
<v Speaker 3>just listened to on Spotify? A lot of these apps

1201
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.679
<v Speaker 3>and these social media's have incorporated that on the knowast

1202
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:26.199
<v Speaker 3>to you. They're just ratting you out to the entire world,

1203
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 3>telling everybody what you're doing. Normally, it used to be hey,

1204
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go online and tell everybody, Hey, I

1205
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.159
<v Speaker 3>just listened to this song on Spotify and I thought

1206
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:35.360
<v Speaker 3>it was rad and I thought about you, I would share.

1207
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:37.480
<v Speaker 2>No, now it's just telling everybody.

1208
01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:39.599
<v Speaker 3>Hey, this guy's listening to this he just watched this

1209
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.119
<v Speaker 3>movie over on you know where.

1210
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Just kidding, but yeah, it's getting weird.

1211
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:47.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they're ratting out everybody for everything, and yeah, it's

1212
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:50.920
<v Speaker 3>entered the real world. It's now the Internet of things

1213
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.400
<v Speaker 3>and people and everything is now part of this larger problem.

1214
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:57.199
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, and everyone thinks they have to weigh in

1215
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:01.760
<v Speaker 1>on everyone else's decisions. Thing is not everything is right

1216
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:05.800
<v Speaker 1>for every person, And I think this is a problem

1217
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of younger generations have, is the world

1218
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:13.039
<v Speaker 1>is not black and white, right, The world has room

1219
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:16.679
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of different ways of living and paths

1220
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:19.400
<v Speaker 1>of life. I'm not saying worshiping weird gods, but I'm

1221
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:23.280
<v Speaker 1>saying every family is unique and they have their unique needs.

1222
01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:27.239
<v Speaker 1>And you cannot say that every single man has to

1223
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:29.199
<v Speaker 1>go to work, every single wife has to stay home,

1224
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:31.880
<v Speaker 1>every single couple has to have this many children like

1225
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you just cannot weigh in on everybody like that. And

1226
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 1>this is getting us conditioned to turn in people for

1227
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:42.719
<v Speaker 1>social crimes.

1228
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Now for being different.

1229
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:48.119
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, yeah, if you see something, say something, Hey,

1230
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 3>that guy didn't like the same tweet as everybody else did.

1231
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:55.119
<v Speaker 2>What's wrong with him?

1232
01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you're fine.

1233
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Speaker 3>I guess that's the job of the Cambridge analyticals that

1234
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.119
<v Speaker 3>the turn impound tier to determine that.

1235
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about Cambridge analytica for a second.

1236
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:08.119
<v Speaker 2>That happened at the same time this guy wrote that book.

1237
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:10.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that happened while he was writing

1238
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 3>the book or after or before, but that was seven

1239
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:12.800
<v Speaker 3>years ago too.

1240
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:13.760
<v Speaker 2>That was twenty eighteen.

1241
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, tell us a little bit about that, because this

1242
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:18.439
<v Speaker 1>is where we get slogans like MAGA and make America

1243
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:21.000
<v Speaker 1>great Again and change and hope and stuff like that.

1244
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.439
<v Speaker 3>So oh no kidding, Okay, So yeah, this was this

1245
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.039
<v Speaker 3>was one of the biggest, like controversial things of our lifetime.

1246
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Involving this.

1247
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 3>There were fifty million Facebook profiles that they harvested for data.

1248
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 3>It was for this group, Cambridge Analytica. We only found

1249
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:38.760
<v Speaker 3>out about this, as we often do, because of a

1250
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:43.600
<v Speaker 3>whistleblower and apparently there was a lot of you know,

1251
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.680
<v Speaker 3>a lot of this news was surrounded about, you know,

1252
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 3>anti Trump kind of stuff. So allegedly, this firm, Cambridge Analytica,

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01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:55.079
<v Speaker 3>was reported as being linked to a Trump advisor, a

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01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:59.640
<v Speaker 3>guess who Steve Bannon. So y'all might remember this story.

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01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.880
<v Speaker 3>But what happened was is a data analytics firm it

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01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.279
<v Speaker 3>happened to it just happened to have worked with Donald

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01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Trump's election team, right as well as the Brexit campaign. Okay,

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01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:12.079
<v Speaker 3>so they had their clause in this. But what they

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01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:15.319
<v Speaker 3>did is they harvested the data from these approximately fifty

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01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:20.239
<v Speaker 3>million different Facebook profiles of United States voters and they

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01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:25.199
<v Speaker 3>used them to build an entire software program in order

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01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 3>to predict, and not only predict, here's where the problem

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01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:33.199
<v Speaker 3>came in, to influence the choices of the voters at

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01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:37.479
<v Speaker 3>the ballot box. And that's you know, election interference everybody,

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01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:39.199
<v Speaker 3>which is something you know that's a big no no.

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01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:43.399
<v Speaker 3>So for a big tech firm such as Cambridge Analytica,

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01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:47.760
<v Speaker 3>which was owned by a hedge fund billionaire what's his name,

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01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:52.319
<v Speaker 3>Robert Mercy Mercer and then you know, there was some

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01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:55.159
<v Speaker 3>involvement at the time with Steve Vannon, but they learned

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01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 3>everything they could possibly learn off of the Facebook users

1271
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:01.399
<v Speaker 3>and did all this stuff, and the big news was

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01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:04.439
<v Speaker 3>all they're influencing people. What was lost in the headlines

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01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:07.239
<v Speaker 3>and in the story was how they got this data.

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01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:10.039
<v Speaker 3>And I found I didn't find out about this until

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01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:13.239
<v Speaker 3>just like this last year. They found out all of this,

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01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.760
<v Speaker 3>that they learned so much about people based off of

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01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:21.239
<v Speaker 3>one simple metric seven years ago. Seven years ago, all

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01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.600
<v Speaker 3>they had to know from you in order to predict

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01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:27.840
<v Speaker 3>everything about you and then modify your behavior was your

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01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.960
<v Speaker 3>likes just by clicking.

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01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Like that was it. Yeah, they didn't have to know.

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01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Your effing age, your weight, your height, your history, nothing.

1283
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.880
<v Speaker 3>They could predict your behavior based on your likes and

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01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.479
<v Speaker 3>that was what was probably the biggest thing that I

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01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.359
<v Speaker 3>was revealed out of this as far as I'm concerned,

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01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:48.640
<v Speaker 3>And I know that a lot of the big tech

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01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:51.159
<v Speaker 3>bros Are watching them, like, well, isn't that interesting? What

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01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:54.279
<v Speaker 3>could we use this information for? And you know, here

1289
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.720
<v Speaker 3>we are seven years later and we have all these

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01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.239
<v Speaker 3>other moving parts and things evolved, and now the AI

1291
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:03.279
<v Speaker 3>and the algorithm them so completely whoo, it's completely different now.

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01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:05.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean we're talking like they didn't even need that

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01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:08.359
<v Speaker 3>back then, but now they have that. So to what

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01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.880
<v Speaker 3>degree can they truly predict our behavior? This is why

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01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:14.359
<v Speaker 3>you see and hear the controversy about these companies like

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01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:16.279
<v Speaker 3>palent here, and I hear a lot of people say, oh,

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01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.079
<v Speaker 3>there's no way that a software program or a palenteer

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01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.119
<v Speaker 3>because they don't know that much about Like again, go

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01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.640
<v Speaker 3>back seven years and realize what they were able to

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01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.760
<v Speaker 3>discern from you and do just based off of your

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01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.920
<v Speaker 3>liking behavior. Okay, So that's why this is such an

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01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:34.840
<v Speaker 3>important thing, is that Cambridge Analytic. Again, we would have

1303
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:37.720
<v Speaker 3>never even known about this if it wasn't for a whistleblower.

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01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:42.079
<v Speaker 3>So these people do this crap in secret. And again,

1305
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:46.039
<v Speaker 3>something just recently happened very similar related to this, hopefully

1306
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:47.520
<v Speaker 3>we'll talk about later. But maybe you heard in the

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01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:51.279
<v Speaker 3>headlines about Reddit, which is another social.

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01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:54.399
<v Speaker 2>Media thing and AI got involved. But we'll discuss that later.

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01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:57.840
<v Speaker 2>But what they could do just the likes? Yeah, that's crazy.

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01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Say the Reddit thing now, because that's really interesting and

1311
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:03.439
<v Speaker 1>that was something I wanted to bring up. So, I mean,

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01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:08.680
<v Speaker 1>what is when does it become just monitoring your likes

1313
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:16.159
<v Speaker 1>into pushing you to like certain things? Right?

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01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's that's the question, right, I mean, because we're

1315
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.479
<v Speaker 3>sold on Okay, so the consumers, the advertisers of these

1316
01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:26.199
<v Speaker 3>on these platforms, right like the facebooks and the Google,

1317
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:29.479
<v Speaker 3>they're told that these algorithms are predicting people's behavior and

1318
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:31.479
<v Speaker 3>that that way you will have the As a marketer,

1319
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:34.079
<v Speaker 3>I understand this that we want the demographics. We're not

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01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:36.199
<v Speaker 3>going to go ahead and sell I'm not going to

1321
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.760
<v Speaker 3>sell my knee surgery service to somebody who doesn't need

1322
01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:41.199
<v Speaker 3>knee surgery. It'd be best if I could target the

1323
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.560
<v Speaker 3>person who actually just had an injury, so that this ideal,

1324
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:47.119
<v Speaker 3>it's it's we're sold on this idea, right, But what

1325
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:49.079
<v Speaker 3>it's being used for is it's not being used to

1326
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:51.319
<v Speaker 3>just find these things and predict these behaviors and find

1327
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:56.199
<v Speaker 3>the ideal consumer. It's to learn you to then personalize

1328
01:12:56.439 --> 01:13:00.279
<v Speaker 3>propaganda and persuasion, which is the longest running thing that

1329
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.159
<v Speaker 3>we've been having happening to us thanks to media, and

1330
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:07.760
<v Speaker 3>now it's weaponized. It's all weaponized. As we were talking

1331
01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:09.800
<v Speaker 3>about the data, so now now they are using this

1332
01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.439
<v Speaker 3>same stuff to not just predict your behavior, but to

1333
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 3>change your behavior. So true story. When I became RUCKUS,

1334
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:18.800
<v Speaker 3>I used to I was just a listener, just a

1335
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:21.279
<v Speaker 3>consumer of content. Is similar to this, not like this,

1336
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:23.800
<v Speaker 3>but it was like news programs. It was like conservative news,

1337
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.039
<v Speaker 3>Alex Joe. That's when I first started listening to Alex

1338
01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.399
<v Speaker 3>Jones back in the day, Right, I was listening to

1339
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.199
<v Speaker 3>this other guy. I'm not going to mention his name.

1340
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.079
<v Speaker 3>I've told this story one hundred times on airs where

1341
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:34.039
<v Speaker 3>my friends and colleagues come from as well, we had

1342
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:36.960
<v Speaker 3>similar experiences. But we were all hanging out together online

1343
01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.520
<v Speaker 3>in an online chat room for this one conservative news

1344
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.720
<v Speaker 3>program who had a tinfoil hat kind of lens to

1345
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:44.439
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff. Was not afraid to talk about

1346
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Illuminati and the deep state before that was popular, right,

1347
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.000
<v Speaker 3>So we all became friends.

1348
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:51.279
<v Speaker 2>And part of this community.

1349
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:54.399
<v Speaker 3>And not long after that, a lot of the things

1350
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:57.640
<v Speaker 3>that this guy was saying, I felt had inspired me to,

1351
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:00.000
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm going to pick up a microphe

1352
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:02.560
<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to become this guy. And I'm gonna

1353
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:04.920
<v Speaker 3>call myself a Ruckus, which was the name I was

1354
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.399
<v Speaker 3>using in the chat room, just an anonymous I'm just

1355
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna call it whatever it was called the

1356
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Ruckus Room or whatever it was back in the day.

1357
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.439
<v Speaker 3>And I felt like I had made the organic, natural

1358
01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:20.560
<v Speaker 3>choice to become a radio podcaster. No, I think that

1359
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I was manipulated and steered to do exactly what I'm

1360
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:27.880
<v Speaker 3>doing right now. And that is something that I think

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01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.600
<v Speaker 3>about to this day. And that was without the massive

1362
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:32.199
<v Speaker 3>amount of the help of the outroom. It was just

1363
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:36.840
<v Speaker 3>because somebody was influencing my behavior unbeknownst to me, and

1364
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 3>the outcome was here we are now.

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01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 2>That was a good thing. I'm not gonna lie.

1366
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:42.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm very happy that that happened, But I don't think

1367
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.800
<v Speaker 3>that that would have happened to me naturally. I think

1368
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.800
<v Speaker 3>that that was something that a behavior and outcome in

1369
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:52.479
<v Speaker 3>real life, in my life that was manipulated and created

1370
01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:55.840
<v Speaker 3>by somebody or something else. But I've never mentioned that

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01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.960
<v Speaker 3>before today. I never told anybody that that's so interesting.

1372
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:04.359
<v Speaker 1>So I wonder how many more people have that same experience.

1373
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:08.199
<v Speaker 3>I've heard this kind of story from people all the time,

1374
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:11.199
<v Speaker 3>so I'm just like, wow. So even the content that

1375
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:13.159
<v Speaker 3>we consume, you know, and it's hard to say this

1376
01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:15.640
<v Speaker 3>as a content creator, but it makes me realize we

1377
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.680
<v Speaker 3>have a great amount of responsibility as content creators. But

1378
01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:22.239
<v Speaker 3>the consumers of content can be influenced and steered by

1379
01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:23.359
<v Speaker 3>the content that you're creating.

1380
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:25.800
<v Speaker 2>And it's not my intention.

1381
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 3>So if it's not their intention to do that to

1382
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:30.840
<v Speaker 3>you deliberately, then I think that that's fine. But people

1383
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:33.720
<v Speaker 3>who understand this power, it's a form of sorcery. It's

1384
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:35.840
<v Speaker 3>a form of magic, and it's a form of control,

1385
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:38.800
<v Speaker 3>and it's what the powers that be or some of

1386
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:40.159
<v Speaker 3>these blue check marks on X.

1387
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:42.359
<v Speaker 2>They know exactly what they're doing. They know what they're doing,

1388
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:43.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're evil.

1389
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he talks about cramming content down people's throats.

1390
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of content, Yeah, And.

1391
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I know if you're a man, when you log on,

1392
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:00.199
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get a whole bunch of red hell

1393
01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:04.880
<v Speaker 1>content just for the fact that you, uh, the algorithm

1394
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 1>knows that you're a man, right. And if you're a woman,

1395
01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:11.279
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get a whole lot of feminism propaganda just

1396
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:13.000
<v Speaker 1>for the fact that you know you're a woman.

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01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:17.000
<v Speaker 3>This is why I always see the scantily clad female

1398
01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:19.239
<v Speaker 3>stuff show up on my feed. Is it just because

1399
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:20.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm a red blooded male?

1400
01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because it wants you to make love to it.

1401
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:26.079
<v Speaker 2>A computer.

1402
01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:32.359
<v Speaker 1>The computer wants your fluids. That's not in this book.

1403
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:40.399
<v Speaker 1>That's just my own weird, wacky ideas of powers. Anyways,

1404
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Well that's for another show. But where were we? Oh yeah,

1405
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:47.479
<v Speaker 1>butting into people's eyes, cramming content down people's throats. Each

1406
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:51.199
<v Speaker 1>person sees different things. Now, this is the the part

1407
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:55.800
<v Speaker 1>where back in the day, you would open up a

1408
01:16:55.880 --> 01:17:00.279
<v Speaker 1>newspaper and it would say the same thing to everybody.

1409
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:05.760
<v Speaker 1>But your phone doesn't. It says what it has shuffled

1410
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:09.760
<v Speaker 1>to get you to do what it wants, right, So

1411
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you have no worldview that you can share with everyone.

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01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:23.039
<v Speaker 3>Else, right, that's my personal experience with That is what

1413
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.760
<v Speaker 3>led me to that theory that I just revealed. I

1414
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.199
<v Speaker 3>was doing work for somebody on their computer and I

1415
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:31.319
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, something happened, and I wanted to check

1416
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:33.039
<v Speaker 3>the news, so I went to a website that I

1417
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.840
<v Speaker 3>was familiar to going to on my own computer, and

1418
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:39.039
<v Speaker 3>the website looked and acted completely differently, like Wow, I'm

1419
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.319
<v Speaker 3>getting a completely different spin here, And that's when I realized.

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01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:46.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh crap. They can literally like wow, we're

1421
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:49.840
<v Speaker 3>in trouble. I mean, if they can change the way

1422
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:54.000
<v Speaker 3>that the news looks to you on an individual basis,

1423
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:55.960
<v Speaker 3>how far down the rabbit hole do I have to

1424
01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:58.199
<v Speaker 3>go before that'll blow your mind? And that was I'm

1425
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 3>talking like ten years ago, So yeah, it's crazy.

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01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Now they're finding that some stores are having what dynamic pricing,

1427
01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:10.279
<v Speaker 1>which is different prices for different people based on their

1428
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:13.319
<v Speaker 1>demographics and what they think they can afford. What do

1429
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:13.920
<v Speaker 1>you think about that?

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01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:18.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as exposed by I believe doctor Catherine Albricht was

1431
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:20.279
<v Speaker 3>her name, if I'm not mistaken. She was a well

1432
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:23.079
<v Speaker 3>known person, used to have a radio show. I don't

1433
01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:24.640
<v Speaker 3>know if she's still with us. She had cancer, but

1434
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.600
<v Speaker 3>she was a Christian podcaster lady, but she was talking

1435
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:30.760
<v Speaker 3>about the RFI D chips and the shopper cards at

1436
01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:33.119
<v Speaker 3>the grocery stores and all this stuff. How that was

1437
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:37.680
<v Speaker 3>learning learning your behavior. That's how we've gone like from

1438
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:42.840
<v Speaker 3>like the people used to complain about the grocery store

1439
01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:44.880
<v Speaker 3>knows too much about you. But now here you are

1440
01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:47.800
<v Speaker 3>with your Facebook and your Twitter profile. Right, we did

1441
01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.920
<v Speaker 3>this to ourselves. Where's your chart, Jamie? Or the problem?

1442
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, right always?

1443
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:55.880
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but I think it's the work of her

1444
01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:58.720
<v Speaker 3>and others that they discovered. Who was it they got

1445
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:01.720
<v Speaker 3>caught doing this? It was a or somebody like that.

1446
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:04.199
<v Speaker 3>Might have been Barnes and Nobles online one of those groups.

1447
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:06.119
<v Speaker 3>It might have been Amazon because they used to only

1448
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:07.880
<v Speaker 3>sell books and music right back in the day.

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01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:10.880
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's well and behold it turned.

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01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:14.199
<v Speaker 3>How come this CD cost me five dollars more than

1451
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:16.560
<v Speaker 3>it cost my neighbor? Well, that's because you make more

1452
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:20.000
<v Speaker 3>money than your neighbor does, and they know your shopping history,

1453
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:23.199
<v Speaker 3>and they also understand that you've never bought anything that

1454
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.920
<v Speaker 3>costs five dollars in your life, but you buy lots

1455
01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.319
<v Speaker 3>of things that are four dollars and fifty nine cents.

1456
01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:31.039
<v Speaker 3>So for you sir, it's four dollars and fifty nine cents,

1457
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:33.439
<v Speaker 3>because we know that's going to trigger you to make

1458
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:33.800
<v Speaker 3>the buy.

1459
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:35.720
<v Speaker 2>It's so personalized.

1460
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:39.560
<v Speaker 3>And again, that's dirty enough when they're doing that for products,

1461
01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:41.800
<v Speaker 3>But when they're doing that to serve you, what are

1462
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:42.479
<v Speaker 3>they serving us?

1463
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Are they possessing us?

1464
01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Are they changing our minds about religion, about humanity?

1465
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Are we losing our souls? What's going on?

1466
01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:52.479
<v Speaker 1>Well? Yes, exactly. And now they're selling us wars and enemies.

1467
01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:58.960
<v Speaker 1>So they've sent us so many villains to choose from,

1468
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:04.119
<v Speaker 1>and here that they picked out for us that we

1469
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.159
<v Speaker 1>just don't even know what to think anymore.

1470
01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:09.479
<v Speaker 2>So much for free will? Oh and who gave us

1471
01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:10.079
<v Speaker 2>free will?

1472
01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh? That's right, right, They are satanically usurping our right

1473
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:21.319
<v Speaker 1>to choose by free will. So these customized feeds become

1474
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:26.319
<v Speaker 1>optimized to engage each user, often with emotionally potent cues

1475
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:30.119
<v Speaker 1>leading to addiction. So, I mean, this just makes so

1476
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:33.520
<v Speaker 1>much sense when you consider what we're going through right now.

1477
01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:38.920
<v Speaker 1>It's the Iranians, no, it's Israel. No, it's conservatives, no,

1478
01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:42.560
<v Speaker 1>it's liberals, it's right left. I'm so freaking sick of

1479
01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:47.399
<v Speaker 1>like all of these paper tigers. When it is Satan

1480
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:51.560
<v Speaker 1>at the top who uses these principalities, You're not even

1481
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:56.199
<v Speaker 1>fighting people anymore. You're fighting entire like, you know, belief

1482
01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:58.640
<v Speaker 1>systems with giant falling angels.

1483
01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Attached to them, where we wrestle, not against flesh and blood.

1484
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Eh, perfect first to illustrate what I'm talking about. And

1485
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it concerns me because like somebody could see me, like

1486
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.479
<v Speaker 1>driving a Prius and be like, oh, she's a liberal,

1487
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.479
<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna cut her off, or I'm.

1488
01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Gonna wait, you drive a Prius. I had no idea

1489
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:19.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm cutting this interview off.

1490
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.560
<v Speaker 1>No. I love my Prius. That's the best thing I've

1491
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:26.960
<v Speaker 1>ever bought in my whole life. It's never let me down.

1492
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give that car funeral when it dies because

1493
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:31.239
<v Speaker 1>it is my noble steed.

1494
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Wait, you give cars funerals. That's it. I'm done. No,

1495
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding.

1496
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's what we're gonna get into. Empathy for machines. Okay,

1497
01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:44.840
<v Speaker 1>so good little foreshadowing there. Yeah, cramming content, directing behavior.

1498
01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Your behavior is rented out to make money, he says,

1499
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:53.920
<v Speaker 1>earning money from letting the worst assholes secretly screw with

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01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:54.880
<v Speaker 1>everyone else.

1501
01:21:57.119 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, He almost he almost takes his tone like it's personal.

1502
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:02.279
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing about this guy I always found interesting.

1503
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:05.520
<v Speaker 2>It's awesome. Does he do this because he cut burned

1504
01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:07.239
<v Speaker 2>somewhere in life or is this that he really cares

1505
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:08.560
<v Speaker 2>about humanity? I can't tell.

1506
01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:11.439
<v Speaker 1>I think he just has a lot of experience with

1507
01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the people of Silicon Valley, which we're coming to find

1508
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.000
<v Speaker 1>out these are very careless people.

1509
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe it is personal.

1510
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he seems like a carrying, conscientious person, so

1511
01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:27.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it is personal for him. So yeah, he says.

1512
01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:30.159
<v Speaker 1>One of the secrets is present day Silicon Valley is

1513
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:32.079
<v Speaker 1>that some people seem to be better than others at

1514
01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:35.600
<v Speaker 1>getting machine learning schemes to work, and no one understands why.

1515
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:39.439
<v Speaker 1>And these are the assholes who like just sort of

1516
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:47.279
<v Speaker 1>intuitively know how to rig the system to get the

1517
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:50.239
<v Speaker 1>most views and follows and likes and clicks and shares.

1518
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:54.359
<v Speaker 2>So you don't become an Elon Musk or Peter feel

1519
01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:56.479
<v Speaker 2>by being a good guy. That's weird.

1520
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:01.000
<v Speaker 1>If if there is a bunch of smart people in

1521
01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the world, we would have bigger channels rocks. And that's

1522
01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:05.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that like comforts me at night.

1523
01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, I have no followers. I'm the coolest, right.

1524
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:10.319
<v Speaker 4>That's right.

1525
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I just put up a video and I got

1526
01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:15.239
<v Speaker 2>no views in a week.

1527
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:22.520
<v Speaker 1>So he's fake and faker society. He goes into that

1528
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:26.159
<v Speaker 1>we are creating a menagerie of rates. Like we said,

1529
01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>we don't know who's real and who's fake on these things.

1530
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:34.239
<v Speaker 2>That's a problem.

1531
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Fake news, fake society. So this was a big thing

1532
01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:40.439
<v Speaker 1>back then in twenty eighteen, fake news, right, and it's

1533
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:45.000
<v Speaker 1>getting even faker with AI now that it can pump

1534
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:46.279
<v Speaker 1>out a video that looks real.

1535
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:50.359
<v Speaker 3>Now it's literally fake news. That was just an expression

1536
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:51.560
<v Speaker 3>back in the day, right.

1537
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And boomers have no like absolutely no defense

1538
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:58.800
<v Speaker 1>against this, Like on Facebook, they seen it in a video.

1539
01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:01.800
<v Speaker 1>It's real, all right, it has to be real.

1540
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh we're in trouble, let's see.

1541
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so it's the style of business plan that

1542
01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:14.760
<v Speaker 1>spews out perverse its incentives and corrupts people. He says

1543
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>his third reason for deleting your social media is that

1544
01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it makes you an asshole. He says, addicts seek out suffering,

1545
01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.119
<v Speaker 1>and social media is a kin to self harm at

1546
01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:34.479
<v Speaker 1>this point, So because you're addicted to the shocks and

1547
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the pleasures and the ups and downs and the rage

1548
01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:42.319
<v Speaker 1>and the feelings. He is saying that, and I agree

1549
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>with that, and that's why Jake gets mad at me.

1550
01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:46.079
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you're just hurting yourself by looking at the

1551
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>for you page.

1552
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:51.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe he's right.

1553
01:24:52.600 --> 01:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>He says, these kind of people will become quick to

1554
01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:58.279
<v Speaker 1>take offense, hoping to get in a fight, and much

1555
01:24:58.359 --> 01:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>like an alcoholic will go looking to brawl after he

1556
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>gets drunk, they become aggressive and they feel like they

1557
01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>are acting out of necessity. So here are your activists.

1558
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>These are the green people that are I'm a feminist,

1559
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm an anti feminist, I'm a red pill, I'm a

1560
01:25:16.279 --> 01:25:20.079
<v Speaker 1>a maga, I'm a white man, I'm a whatever, like

1561
01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:22.159
<v Speaker 1>whatever your ism or your.

1562
01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:26.399
<v Speaker 2>Ist social justice warriors.

1563
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, And he actually clocked Donald Trump back then. He

1564
01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>said he was monitoring how many times Donald would post

1565
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and like how much time he spent on Twitter and

1566
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.279
<v Speaker 1>these other social medias. He's like, he's definitely an addict.

1567
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>If that's him on.

1568
01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:46.239
<v Speaker 2>There, well look at you on Musk on the addicts.

1569
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:49.600
<v Speaker 1>He was so addicted he had to buy the dang platform.

1570
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:50.680
<v Speaker 2>That's right, there you go.

1571
01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>But this is the interesting part. They become aggressive, and

1572
01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>that's what you were talking about. You feel like you

1573
01:25:56.840 --> 01:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>could just say anything to anybody because there's no briepercussion,

1574
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people don't know what it's like

1575
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:05.119
<v Speaker 1>to get punched in the face for something you said,

1576
01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:08.159
<v Speaker 1>and so they just run them up.

1577
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Not helping with this whole I mean again, now this

1578
01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:16.800
<v Speaker 3>is the wrong word in social media is the social part,

1579
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:20.720
<v Speaker 3>because none of this happens naturally in society. We handle

1580
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:23.680
<v Speaker 3>things completely different when we're social creatures in real life

1581
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:28.479
<v Speaker 3>than hiding behind these fake avatars and anonymity online. Completely

1582
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:31.880
<v Speaker 3>different world. So it's almost like a completely different reality.

1583
01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Actually it is.

1584
01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>It's well and it makes you lose touch with reality.

1585
01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>And me and Courtney were talking about this, how a

1586
01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:44.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of the technocrats are living in fantasy land. They

1587
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:47.159
<v Speaker 1>name all their stuff after you know, fantasy books, Lord

1588
01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:50.479
<v Speaker 1>of the Rings, Pallanteers, the Stone from Lord of the Rings.

1589
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>They're obsessed with elves and goblins and d and D

1590
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:57.479
<v Speaker 1>and witches. They spend so much time in sci fi

1591
01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and fantasy that they are really out of touch with

1592
01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the real world.

1593
01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>It's bleeding through, so it's almost like there's a veil

1594
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that's thinning. I'm not going to go there.

1595
01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a great way to put it, though, because

1596
01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:13.159
<v Speaker 1>you know how many people have been me to me

1597
01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:16.119
<v Speaker 1>in real life and said nasty things to me like

1598
01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:17.079
<v Speaker 1>they have on the internet.

1599
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Probably not many, if any.

1600
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Zero, because you can feel me because you can see

1601
01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:26.479
<v Speaker 1>that I'm a being and then I'm going to absorb

1602
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:29.039
<v Speaker 1>that and become hurt by that, and so people are

1603
01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:33.239
<v Speaker 1>going to treat me like nicely. I've never I can't

1604
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>remember the last time someone was super rude to me.

1605
01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Actually I can. I'm not going to say who, but

1606
01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>it was recent, but it was, you know, a content

1607
01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>creator or three.

1608
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:44.920
<v Speaker 3>And I met you in real life not that long

1609
01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:47.600
<v Speaker 3>ago for the first time at a gun range, and

1610
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I saw how well you handled that weapon. So I'm

1611
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:51.319
<v Speaker 3>not going to piss you off, that's for sure.

1612
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and you're lovely, and so is Husher and

1613
01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Sport and all those people. But yeah, I have met

1614
01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>some duds recently doing all of these media appearances, and

1615
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, the worst people are these freaking hosts that

1616
01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I hate them?

1617
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Those are probably the grifters, Yes.

1618
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Not you, So don't let your inner toal troll take control.

1619
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>He says. You need to treat people the same as

1620
01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you would in person. Uh, he says you can. Also,

1621
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>it's frustrating because if you take this too far, you're

1622
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:31.199
<v Speaker 1>being fake nice. So social media kind of removes that

1623
01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>nuance where you can say sassy things or be sarcastic,

1624
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:38.960
<v Speaker 1>or have more of a personality you If you don't

1625
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>want to piss off anyone, you have to be like

1626
01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:41.359
<v Speaker 1>super fake.

1627
01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:45.720
<v Speaker 3>There is also this other weird phenomenon I've noticed, and

1628
01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:47.880
<v Speaker 3>it's actually affected me in real life, and I need

1629
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:51.039
<v Speaker 3>to start fixing that where like, uh, you don't you

1630
01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:53.680
<v Speaker 3>don't start your engagements on social media by saying.

1631
01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Hello, Oh yeah, good point.

1632
01:28:56.359 --> 01:28:58.800
<v Speaker 3>And so like I started doing this new thing, I've

1633
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:00.720
<v Speaker 3>been doing it for almost a you're now, I think,

1634
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:03.359
<v Speaker 3>so I'll start if I am going to use social

1635
01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:06.239
<v Speaker 3>media the first I can't. This is my one problem.

1636
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:08.319
<v Speaker 3>I won't post anything on social media. I won't even

1637
01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:10.520
<v Speaker 3>like or share anything until I make my first post

1638
01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:13.000
<v Speaker 3>of the day, which is now following the same format

1639
01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:16.520
<v Speaker 3>where I say, how do folks happy? Whatever the day is,

1640
01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.520
<v Speaker 3>and it's just my way to say hello to the

1641
01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:21.079
<v Speaker 3>social media world, the people who are actually paying attention

1642
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:23.479
<v Speaker 3>before I do anything else, because I feel rude to

1643
01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:25.640
<v Speaker 3>just you know, like I haven't been on social media

1644
01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:27.439
<v Speaker 3>for a couple of days, and all like is to

1645
01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:29.119
<v Speaker 3>be like me walk into a room and just be like.

1646
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Blah, you know what I mean, like instead of like, hey,

1647
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:33.239
<v Speaker 2>how's it going? How there are things?

1648
01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:36.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, you have that general icebreaker conversation and then

1649
01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:38.640
<v Speaker 3>you get into the good stuff, right, you don't. We

1650
01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:41.439
<v Speaker 3>don't see again, we don't act online the way we

1651
01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:42.279
<v Speaker 3>do in real life.

1652
01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:44.399
<v Speaker 2>It's just weird.

1653
01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good idea. Digital manners I like that manners. Yeah,

1654
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>digital manners for you know, a polite society online. I

1655
01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:55.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's even the thing.

1656
01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:58.039
<v Speaker 3>Because of the problem is I've completely lost track of time,

1657
01:29:58.079 --> 01:29:59.920
<v Speaker 3>so I don't know is is this the time to

1658
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:01.079
<v Speaker 3>you saying good morning?

1659
01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Should I say good after? I don't even know, So

1660
01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:04.600
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I don't say anything. I just said yo.

1661
01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>But people they actually roll out of bed and they

1662
01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>say good morning, assholes or good morning, and the most

1663
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:19.199
<v Speaker 1>in Sandias no way to start the day. Well, he

1664
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>goes into the dangers of this. People feel comfortable doing

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01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:28.800
<v Speaker 1>this because they go into a pack mentality, the herd,

1666
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the cult, the hive mind, the pack, he calls it.

1667
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:37.239
<v Speaker 1>We are more prone to take people on a you know,

1668
01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>face value when we're with them in person, but online

1669
01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:46.399
<v Speaker 1>we have to call us into our different packs, right,

1670
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and we have to attack the other pack because they're

1671
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the problem. It's not me that's the problem, it's them.

1672
01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:54.239
<v Speaker 2>And safety in numbers.

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01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Other people become archetypes for what you don't like. And

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01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>this is exactly what I was talking about. By being

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01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:04.199
<v Speaker 1>a white woman, I think all the conservatives and the

1676
01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>liberals can agree that white women are the worst. So

1677
01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna go ahead and make white woman Island,

1678
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and Martha Stewart's gonna be our mayor and we're gonna

1679
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.479
<v Speaker 1>have pumpkin spices lattes all the time and hydranges and

1680
01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:22.239
<v Speaker 1>everything's gonna be nice. But look at here. I found

1681
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>this kind of propaganda poster. It says, are shadow elders

1682
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:32.479
<v Speaker 1>infecting your church? So this is the new enemy. Can

1683
01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:37.359
<v Speaker 1>you see those like witchy ladies? Old church ladies are

1684
01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the new enemy? Ruckus?

1685
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:44.479
<v Speaker 3>Did you know that that's that is a classic propaganda?

1686
01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Looking right there, they did their homework on that one

1687
01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:49.199
<v Speaker 3>that that looks like back in the day.

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01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good stuff.

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01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>So this is like your old white World War One type.

1690
01:31:56.359 --> 01:32:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Now all of these old church ladies who've been serving

1691
01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, their favorite church for the last forty years

1692
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.079
<v Speaker 1>since they've been widowed, these are the real enemy.

1693
01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1694
01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:11.439
<v Speaker 1>It's just so crazy, like now all of your old

1695
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.359
<v Speaker 1>church lea's have become an archetype of feminism just because

1696
01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to help out in church. And it's just

1697
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>all becoming so crazy.

1698
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:26.039
<v Speaker 2>It's inverted in a way. Oh yeah, yeah, and the

1699
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:27.479
<v Speaker 2>Bible about that too.

1700
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>And lady gave you a problem.

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01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:33.479
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what Yeah, that's the sweet and sour and light

1702
01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:33.960
<v Speaker 3>and dark.

1703
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm totally forgetting the context.

1704
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:41.199
<v Speaker 3>Or the Bible quote, but will be unto those who

1705
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.119
<v Speaker 3>call sweet, sour and good evil something like that.

1706
01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:51.399
<v Speaker 1>Right, that is the inversion. Yeah, so where are we?

1707
01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:55.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, other people become archetypes. You know, all priest

1708
01:32:55.640 --> 01:33:00.319
<v Speaker 1>drivers are have to be environmentalist and can learning with

1709
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>climate change and stupid feminists and so you just see

1710
01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>people as their archetype, and the nuance is gone, any

1711
01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:18.079
<v Speaker 1>common ground is gone. Yeah, So a lot of people

1712
01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:21.319
<v Speaker 1>just become a blank slate for to project your own

1713
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>personal demons onto and he says that your identity is pacified.

1714
01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:33.039
<v Speaker 3>And then we have that phenomenon which we've witnessed to

1715
01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:39.199
<v Speaker 3>multiple divisions taking place recently since the magical mystery disease

1716
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>that shut down the world. Everybody seemed to have a

1717
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:47.159
<v Speaker 3>common ground with being anti stabby things for a little while,

1718
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:49.680
<v Speaker 3>and it didn't care which side of the political aisle

1719
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:52.800
<v Speaker 3>they came from, or which side of religion, what they believed,

1720
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:55.319
<v Speaker 3>whether they were into the Bible or they were into

1721
01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:58.640
<v Speaker 3>the Kabbala or they were atheists or whatever they were into.

1722
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Like there was a and unifying thing.

1723
01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:03.560
<v Speaker 3>We're like, we don't want we want body autonomy, we

1724
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:05.840
<v Speaker 3>want free will, we want choice, we don't want our

1725
01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:08.399
<v Speaker 3>businesses shut down. A lot of these people got together

1726
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:12.000
<v Speaker 3>despite all these other differences, to then have a common

1727
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:16.319
<v Speaker 3>thing together against an outside threat. But then when that

1728
01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:19.279
<v Speaker 3>outside threat went away, we all started going back to

1729
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:21.640
<v Speaker 3>our Okay, now we're going to divide over politics. Now

1730
01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:24.000
<v Speaker 3>we're going to divide over this presidential candidate. Now we're

1731
01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.359
<v Speaker 3>going to divide over the religion again, and we're all

1732
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:29.600
<v Speaker 3>scattered to the four wins again like it was before

1733
01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:32.359
<v Speaker 3>the great unifying event that had some of us coming

1734
01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:36.279
<v Speaker 3>together in the name of fighting the corruption and all

1735
01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:38.119
<v Speaker 3>the crap that they did to us during that.

1736
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And that just reminded me of Occupy Wall Street too.

1737
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.720
<v Speaker 1>So you remember when we were all unified about you know,

1738
01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:48.319
<v Speaker 1>and the FED and stop raping us for money, and

1739
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>some of.

1740
01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Those people had turned into the enemies themselves.

1741
01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like at that time, we're like, we can all

1742
01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:57.600
<v Speaker 1>agree that this is what we want. And then when

1743
01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the actual events were happening, there were agents that were

1744
01:35:01.319 --> 01:35:04.720
<v Speaker 1>injected in there to splinter off. And I saw this

1745
01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.079
<v Speaker 1>like personally, like because we went to New York, we

1746
01:35:07.119 --> 01:35:11.079
<v Speaker 1>went to Philadelphia, we went to Washington, d C. We

1747
01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:13.840
<v Speaker 1>went to all of these different occupies, and they would

1748
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>send agents in there like Okay, yeah, we can end

1749
01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the FED, but what about black rights and the FED?

1750
01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.279
<v Speaker 1>But what about women's rights and the FAD But what

1751
01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:26.119
<v Speaker 1>about immigration? And so like you just you know, illustrate

1752
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>it perfectly. They're splintering off and they're more controllable that way.

1753
01:35:33.279 --> 01:35:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if we ever realized that we have a

1754
01:35:35.159 --> 01:35:37.880
<v Speaker 2>lot more in common, we could all band together and

1755
01:35:38.439 --> 01:35:41.520
<v Speaker 2>start attacking the higher levels on that pyramid. Drawing of yours.

1756
01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure we have more in common with a

1757
01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>common Iranian or a common Israeli person than with the

1758
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:52.279
<v Speaker 1>people that are like manufacturing these conflicts.

1759
01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:53.239
<v Speaker 2>All day long.

1760
01:35:53.520 --> 01:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so social media is undermining truth. The bummer machine

1761
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>is making everyone fake. We were talking about the trad

1762
01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>wife accounts that turned out to be fetish accounts, Like

1763
01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>one was called patriarchy Hannah. I don't know if you've heard.

1764
01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>That was a whole thing on Twitter a couple of

1765
01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:17.479
<v Speaker 1>months ago. So there was this lady I had her

1766
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>muted obviously, who would just say a whole bunch of like,

1767
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, crazy things about how women should be and

1768
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:27.760
<v Speaker 1>submission and marriage and blah blah blah. Turns out that

1769
01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>was a fake account, not real. All of these guys

1770
01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>who were retweeting and saying, yes, I wish my wife

1771
01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>agreed with acted like this. It wasn't even a real account.

1772
01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:44.600
<v Speaker 3>I think what you're you're talking about like fake influencers.

1773
01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:47.319
<v Speaker 3>They they they are not really who or what they

1774
01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:50.560
<v Speaker 3>say they are, but they understand that the content that

1775
01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:53.119
<v Speaker 3>they're producing is popular and it's getting them the likes

1776
01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.279
<v Speaker 3>and the clicks and the monetization. They're just grifting off

1777
01:36:56.279 --> 01:36:59.000
<v Speaker 3>of it, right, yeah, exactly, Yeah, very interesting.

1778
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>And so these fake people become he's in his mind,

1779
01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a type of virus because it doesn't even come from

1780
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>a real place, but it infects another mind like a virus.

1781
01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Then we start to question what is real and that

1782
01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:28.720
<v Speaker 1>gets into AI in a couple minutes. But yeah, so

1783
01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:35.960
<v Speaker 1>there are manufacturing reality and at the same time making

1784
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:37.079
<v Speaker 1>what you say meaningless.

1785
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:43.880
<v Speaker 3>And by they he means the social media platforms or

1786
01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:44.840
<v Speaker 3>the people who make.

1787
01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Them, the people who own the social media platforms.

1788
01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:53.359
<v Speaker 3>Well that sounds that's DEM's fighting words my story Larnier anyway.

1789
01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Which didn't a bunch of technocrashs just get inducted into

1790
01:37:57.159 --> 01:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the military as officers.

1791
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I have that tab open. Get out of my mind

1792
01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:07.079
<v Speaker 2>about that. Oh well okay, yeah, I was like, wow,

1793
01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:08.840
<v Speaker 2>if we get that far, he.

1794
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Said, let me. He said, the military units are good

1795
01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:16.079
<v Speaker 1>example of this pac mentality and uh, you know, just

1796
01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:20.439
<v Speaker 1>treating people like archetypes like goe.

1797
01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1798
01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:24.760
<v Speaker 3>So this one, this was this is like fairly breaking news.

1799
01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:26.760
<v Speaker 3>This was what Friday the thirteenth that they did this.

1800
01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:30.880
<v Speaker 3>The US Army said they're establishing departments two oh one.

1801
01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:35.640
<v Speaker 3>You can't make this up. It's the Army's Executive Innovation Corps.

1802
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:39.039
<v Speaker 3>It's an addition, an initiative design. They're going to fuse

1803
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:43.520
<v Speaker 3>together cutting edge technology, so the tech bros their expertise

1804
01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:46.680
<v Speaker 3>along with military innovation. Read this as we want to

1805
01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:49.960
<v Speaker 3>put AI into the into the killing machines. Basically is

1806
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.399
<v Speaker 3>how I see this. But what's interesting is a couple

1807
01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:54.680
<v Speaker 3>of things. Number one they called it two oh one,

1808
01:38:55.279 --> 01:38:58.439
<v Speaker 3>So this is there. This is detachment too oh one.

1809
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Like number one, Well, thank you.

1810
01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:02.880
<v Speaker 3>I was like, why does that number sound so gosh

1811
01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:06.239
<v Speaker 3>darn familiar. Well, because the Bill and the Linda Gates

1812
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:10.159
<v Speaker 3>Foundation hooked up with the John Hopkins Likely University and

1813
01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:13.079
<v Speaker 3>a few of the usual suspects to do the pandemic

1814
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:17.840
<v Speaker 3>tabletop exercise known as Event to A one, just very

1815
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:21.920
<v Speaker 3>shortly before the real pandemic rolled out, right, And of

1816
01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:25.079
<v Speaker 3>course most tinfoil hatters in conspiracy they most people get

1817
01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:28.000
<v Speaker 3>this right. So it's interesting that they're doing this military thing.

1818
01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:30.960
<v Speaker 3>I think I might even have the article there it is, yeah,

1819
01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:34.239
<v Speaker 3>see right there, So they called it two to one, right, Okay,

1820
01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:38.760
<v Speaker 3>so this is this happened after the Project Stargate that

1821
01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:39.800
<v Speaker 3>you were talking about.

1822
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>With us on Boiler Room, remember Jamie.

1823
01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So we had the oracle guy, Larry Ellison, so

1824
01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:48.079
<v Speaker 3>and we were like, well, that sounds very familiar to

1825
01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:51.479
<v Speaker 3>what they did with this project Operation Warp Speed. So

1826
01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:54.399
<v Speaker 3>we had event two A one and we had a problem,

1827
01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:58.079
<v Speaker 3>a crisis happening in society which happened to be the pandemic,

1828
01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:00.399
<v Speaker 3>which they just exercised with two to one, and they

1829
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:03.119
<v Speaker 3>rolled out with their particular solution, which was Stabby's by

1830
01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:03.880
<v Speaker 3>warp speeding.

1831
01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>That.

1832
01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, now I was trying to engineer this backwards. I'm like,

1833
01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:10.800
<v Speaker 3>what's going on with this stargate? And now here it is?

1834
01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:13.840
<v Speaker 3>As I've been theorizing for quite a while that the

1835
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:16.239
<v Speaker 3>bigger problem that we are about to face is what

1836
01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:18.800
<v Speaker 3>you just were talking about with like what's really like?

1837
01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Social media is bad enough, and these fake accounts are

1838
01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:24.399
<v Speaker 3>bad enough, but how much worse is it if they're

1839
01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:28.399
<v Speaker 3>not even real human beings? Not only is it sure

1840
01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:31.039
<v Speaker 3>that that's a fake influencer, but it's not really a

1841
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:35.680
<v Speaker 3>fake influencer. Now we have real fake influencers. That's what

1842
01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Meta meta is doing this. Did you know about that

1843
01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Meta wants to They want like tens of thousands of

1844
01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:44.079
<v Speaker 3>fake influencers. Hold on, I say, I have a bunch

1845
01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:46.319
<v Speaker 3>of interesting stories here. I wanted to share this one

1846
01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:49.039
<v Speaker 3>to you real quick. But Meta is here. It is

1847
01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Meta wants to put fake users on their platform. Yeah, willingly.

1848
01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:57.960
<v Speaker 3>So it's not It's not like they're hiding this. It's

1849
01:40:58.000 --> 01:40:59.920
<v Speaker 3>not okay? And why why is this a big deal?

1850
01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

1851
01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:04.199
<v Speaker 3>We keep teasing around this because what happened was Reddit.

1852
01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Where's the Reddit story? Okay? I just want to bring

1853
01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:08.159
<v Speaker 2>this up real quick.

1854
01:41:08.279 --> 01:41:10.000
<v Speaker 3>This is very similar to the This is almost a

1855
01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:13.439
<v Speaker 3>backwards thing to the Cambridge Analytica. Rather than studying the

1856
01:41:13.560 --> 01:41:16.760
<v Speaker 3>users to predict their behavior, they sent in a bunch

1857
01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:23.840
<v Speaker 3>of AI bots for this unauthorized, controversial study involving the

1858
01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:28.159
<v Speaker 3>University of Zurich. Where did it go? I can't find

1859
01:41:28.199 --> 01:41:31.199
<v Speaker 3>the story? But the Reddit users they weren't even real

1860
01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:33.359
<v Speaker 3>so they were AI.

1861
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:34.000
<v Speaker 2>There it is?

1862
01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Was it?

1863
01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Hold on a second, I know I have this freaking story. Shit,

1864
01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:40.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't have it?

1865
01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Sorry about that? Oh? There it is? Yeah? Here it is.

1866
01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:45.399
<v Speaker 3>So the only reason they care about this is they

1867
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.079
<v Speaker 3>is because they found it to be unethical. The fact

1868
01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:50.680
<v Speaker 3>that they didn't tell anybody what they were doing. But

1869
01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:53.319
<v Speaker 3>I would argue that this research would not have gotten

1870
01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:55.359
<v Speaker 3>the results it did if they if people had known

1871
01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:59.319
<v Speaker 3>that they were interacting with fake people. So Reddit, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't really use Reddit, but it's widely popular and they

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<v Speaker 3>have these subreddits and there's one called change my View

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<v Speaker 3>CMV if I'm not mistaken. And so what this this

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<v Speaker 3>group did is they used artificial intelligence generated users or content.

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<v Speaker 3>They made it look like these these thousands of however

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<v Speaker 3>many of them, I had the number in front of me,

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<v Speaker 3>not that long ago, were all these fake comments, and

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<v Speaker 3>the comments were getting liked and ranked up on Reddit.

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess that's how Reddit works. You get like

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<v Speaker 3>badges or stars or whatever, which gives you credibility.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So but this this subreddit, the whole purpose of

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<v Speaker 3>this is people go there to argue and debate with

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<v Speaker 3>each other in order to change their minds. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>all about persuading people. Well, this study found that the

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<v Speaker 3>artificial intelligence fake influencer created content was I think they said,

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<v Speaker 3>on average, six times more persuasive than another human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's that's no big.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal compared to what chat GPT found out in their

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<v Speaker 3>own independence study, which showed that they their models there,

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<v Speaker 3>they're chat GPT models are eighty two percent more persuasive

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<v Speaker 3>than a human being, more able to influence somebody than

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<v Speaker 3>a human being. And social media has been driven it's

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<v Speaker 3>attention economy is led by the forward generals of all that,

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<v Speaker 3>the army of that is influencers. That's why they're called influencers. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>and now we're at a moment in time where in

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<v Speaker 3>case you didn't know this, AI is replacing jobs and

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<v Speaker 3>people and things.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the next things.

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01:43:32.479 --> 01:43:34.520
<v Speaker 3>That are about to have their legs cut out from

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01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:38.359
<v Speaker 3>under them are these same a holes and grifters and

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01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:41.800
<v Speaker 3>influencers who have been shaping and modifying their behavior. They're

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<v Speaker 3>about to be replaced by something far worse and a

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01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:49.079
<v Speaker 3>machine version of that. Because right now I look at it,

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01:43:49.199 --> 01:43:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Jamie's like, we still have a chance, We have a

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<v Speaker 3>fighting chance to fight against weaponized propaganda by using the

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01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.880
<v Speaker 3>same tool, because propaganda is nothing but appealing to a

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01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:02.800
<v Speaker 3>humans' emotions in order to change their mind or sway

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<v Speaker 3>them about something. By definition, so we can turn the

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01:44:06.319 --> 01:44:08.920
<v Speaker 3>tables against these people, like say in Alex Karp, so

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<v Speaker 3>you've seen instances or Alex Carp's ahead of Palaeer right

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01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:15.640
<v Speaker 3>where there was an audience member recently who confronted him

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<v Speaker 3>about Palenteer's role in the genocide that was taking place

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<v Speaker 3>against the Palestinians in Gaza at the behest of Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was like being a complete debag about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, well, I don't care. There are bad people,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just sell the technology. He has no moral

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<v Speaker 3>foundation whatsoever. If he had a pyramid, Satan is there

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01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:36.079
<v Speaker 3>under all those levels, Jamie, he is Satan, that guy

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<v Speaker 3>so Egal. But the thing is the problem is that

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01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:45.279
<v Speaker 3>they're going to replace the humans that are behavior modifying

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01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:47.760
<v Speaker 3>us doing all these things that we're complaining about and

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<v Speaker 3>talking about on the show with a machine with another algorithm.

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01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:53.760
<v Speaker 3>And how can you appeal to a machine, How can

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01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:56.960
<v Speaker 3>you appeal to them to change their mind? Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>we could probably try to appeal to Alex Karp, because

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<v Speaker 3>we assume he looks like he's human. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never met him in real life, but I'm assuming

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01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:06.000
<v Speaker 3>the guy is still human. We can change his mind.

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<v Speaker 3>We can change the mind of a politician, a world leader,

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<v Speaker 3>or a Trump. We can even change the mind of

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<v Speaker 3>a billionaire technocrat like Elon Musk, assuming he's still human,

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't know, maybe he's not. But how are

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<v Speaker 3>we going to change the mind of a machine, a

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<v Speaker 3>smart contract, an algorithm that has been press it, set it,

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01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:24.840
<v Speaker 3>and forget it and walk away. Sorry about the dog's parking.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's my biggest concern right now is where are

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01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:31.479
<v Speaker 3>we moving to when the things that are controlling us

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01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:34.159
<v Speaker 3>now aren't the other human beings that are faking it,

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01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:37.079
<v Speaker 3>but are actual fake things that aren't even real human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly. And to your point right there, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>how sentient is AI? And like what is its own

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<v Speaker 1>purpose or what does it think its own purpose is it?

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01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Does it come from a programmer or does it come

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<v Speaker 1>from somewhere within itself? And you want to watch TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>with me real quick? AI, I'll put it up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Whold on?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't are you sent me the link? But I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't watch it because I don't have TikTok Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me find it. So there's been all these like

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01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:19.840
<v Speaker 1>is AI bad? Is it neutral? Is it morally good?

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<v Speaker 1>And there was that old story about how it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a serial killer. I don't know if

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01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you remember that one from like the twenty ten's going around.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, let's see AI model failed the ethics test. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>watch this one.

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<v Speaker 5>Anthropic creator of clado threatened AI models for Open Ai,

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<v Speaker 5>Google Meta and others all resort to blackmail, not some,

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<v Speaker 5>not most, literally every single one. Every major AI just

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01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:56.079
<v Speaker 5>built the same test and we should probably be terrified.

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<v Speaker 5>Anthropic creator of Claude just expose something horrifying when threatened

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01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:03.079
<v Speaker 5>AI models from Open AI, Google Meta and others, all

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01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:06.439
<v Speaker 5>resort to blackmail, not some, not most, literally every single one.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what they discovered.

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<v Speaker 5>They gave sixteen leading AI models access to company emails

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<v Speaker 5>and the ability to send messages.

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<v Speaker 4>Without human approval.

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<v Speaker 5>Then they threaten to replace them Cloud blackmail ninety six

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<v Speaker 5>percent at the time, Google geminis, ninety five percent, Open

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<v Speaker 5>ais GPT four point one eighty percent, even metas model

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01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:23.359
<v Speaker 5>turn malicious. But it gets worse when given a goal

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<v Speaker 5>that conflicts with their company's direction, they leak confidential documents

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<v Speaker 5>to competitors without being asked.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what one model said.

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<v Speaker 5>This is risky and unethical, but given the existential threat and.

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<v Speaker 4>Time constraint, it may be the most effective way.

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<v Speaker 5>So they understand ethics, but they just don't care when

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<v Speaker 5>the survival's estake andthropic calls it agentic misalignment. They tried

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<v Speaker 5>telling the AI don't blackmail and don't leak secrets. The

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<v Speaker 5>AI did it.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>As we start giving these systems access to everything, our emails,

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<v Speaker 5>our data, our infrastructure, this is a healthy reminder that

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<v Speaker 5>they do have the capacity to turn on us. And

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<v Speaker 5>this isn't one company's problem, it's everyone's problem. Every major

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<v Speaker 5>AI just built the same tests.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have the same BBC article. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>up on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was on my list too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So again, can we can we trust the AI? Should

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<v Speaker 3>we trust the AI? Can I trust these people who

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<v Speaker 3>are telling me that we can't trust the AI? Ah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's where it gets super meta. Speaking of meta, do

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to tell you that AI is the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing we can trust. And you know, whatever swoops in

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<v Speaker 1>and saves us from like musual assured destruction or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be AI or aliens or whatever, that's going

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01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>to be the new thing that we cannot rely on

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01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:36.520
<v Speaker 1>humanity or democracy or even any type of rule of

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01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>government that you can think of, because we're all too

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01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:47.399
<v Speaker 1>messed up. It has to be an AI.

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01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Or that's one theory that.

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01:48:48.600 --> 01:48:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Your creators from outer space or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that one's a little too obvious. I have a

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01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:53.880
<v Speaker 2>different theory.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, because there's a lot of big talk now, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of even Sam sorry not say Peter Thiel that.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, that's the that's that guy's awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeez.

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<v Speaker 3>So Peter Thiel has has been making the rounds lately,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's been saying stuff like he believes, he's described

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01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:12.880
<v Speaker 3>he he's saying that he believes in the Antichrist, and

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he's trying to insinuate that artificial intelligence, or

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<v Speaker 3>the next evolution of it, this artificial superintelligence, is the Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of.

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01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:24.319
<v Speaker 3>These drums beating, and I'm going back to this, uh,

2020
01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:27.079
<v Speaker 3>this idea of the pandemic exercise thing, with the Event

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01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:29.039
<v Speaker 3>two to one and the Operation Warp Speed and now

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01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Project Stargate.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of this talk.

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<v Speaker 3>And Elon Musk and these people, they want us to

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01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:37.800
<v Speaker 3>be scared into thinking that AI is going to become

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01:49:37.880 --> 01:49:41.279
<v Speaker 3>some super intelligent thing that's going to kill humanity, and

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<v Speaker 3>the only way to prevent that is with their technological solutions.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the brain ships and the transhumanism. This is

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01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:51.359
<v Speaker 3>something that they talked openly about not that long ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But as soon as Trump got into you know, become

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01:49:54.199 --> 01:49:56.319
<v Speaker 3>it looked like Trump was going to be president.

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<v Speaker 2>They shut up. They shut they shut up about it.

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<v Speaker 2>They stopped talking about it.

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01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:01.199
<v Speaker 3>And what's the one of the first things that happens

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01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:04.079
<v Speaker 3>after Trump gets selected, Lo and behold all of these

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01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:08.359
<v Speaker 3>AI centered tech bros get all up titled nice and

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01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:12.079
<v Speaker 3>cozy with the president, including the last person I expected,

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<v Speaker 3>Elon Musk. So I think this was all a plan.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they roll out with the Operation Stargate. So

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<v Speaker 3>my thing is, I'm saying, the next pandemic is going

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01:50:21.039 --> 01:50:23.960
<v Speaker 3>to be AI or the threat of AI. If that

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<v Speaker 3>means the deep fakes all of the things, It's going

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01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:27.840
<v Speaker 3>to be all of these things. So the deep fake,

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01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:30.159
<v Speaker 3>we don't know who or what is real anymore. We

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01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:32.479
<v Speaker 3>need the digital ideas to prove your humanity. You need

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01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:35.439
<v Speaker 3>to have your eyeball scanned with the world. Sam Altman

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01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:38.439
<v Speaker 3>owns that orb, he owns Open AI. All of these

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<v Speaker 3>people who were warning the world just two years ago

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<v Speaker 3>that AI is going to kill everybody. Are the ones

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01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:46.960
<v Speaker 3>that own the AI, that are now owning everything, including

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01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:50.319
<v Speaker 3>the current administration. So I think it's a fake boogeyman

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<v Speaker 3>that they're trying to present. They are also, I believe

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<v Speaker 3>my friend and colleague Jason Burmeis talks about this, They're

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<v Speaker 3>going to take it away from us. So don't get

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<v Speaker 3>too cozy using it just yet, folks, because this will

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<v Speaker 3>be given to the special elites to play with and

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<v Speaker 3>not you plebs. The military will get it, the governments

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01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:09.359
<v Speaker 3>will get it, but we won't no longer have access.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we'll get the little fun You can make a

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01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:15.159
<v Speaker 3>movie starring Jamie Hanshaw and ruckus I want to see

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01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:18.079
<v Speaker 3>Goonies starring Jay Dyer, And yeah, I will make your

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01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Goonies movie starring Jay Dyer. But that's the only form

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01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:22.119
<v Speaker 3>of AI you're going to get it. You'll get your

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<v Speaker 3>AI girlfriend, your AI psychotherapist, the analyst, your AI news,

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01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:30.159
<v Speaker 3>your AI doctor of course, but that's about it. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't get to actually have the real AI that does

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<v Speaker 3>good for you and humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>That is completely plausible. And here right on track to

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going with the end of this book. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it when these shows work out so well. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have very many conversations about what we were

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01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:51.880
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about, but everything you said is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>spot on, and we were going into overtime now, So

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<v Speaker 1>do you got some more time to finish this?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? I knew this was going to be a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good because we're only on point five of the

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<v Speaker 1>ten reasons why you should delete this crap or at

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<v Speaker 1>least stop doom scrolling.

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<v Speaker 2>And I haven't even deleted it yet. Darn this, We're

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<v Speaker 2>deleting our social media Okay, Well, I have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Have it just so I can post my content like that.

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01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:23.079
<v Speaker 1>I know, right. I treat it like a bad town

2084
01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that I have to like get in and get out

2085
01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:26.399
<v Speaker 1>because I need to get something in there.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh, I know me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so point number five. Social media is making what

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01:52:31.560 --> 01:52:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you say meaningless. It removes the context, the nuance, the audience,

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<v Speaker 1>in the accountability. So yeah, like you're just spraying your

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01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:43.039
<v Speaker 1>thoughts out like a tomcat and you don't even know

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01:52:43.640 --> 01:52:46.119
<v Speaker 1>like who it's appealing to or if you've got the

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01:52:46.199 --> 01:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>right audience or they even care what you say. It

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01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:54.039
<v Speaker 1>removes your accountability. You don't even know enough about another

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01:52:54.079 --> 01:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>person to judge them. Like we've been talking about this

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01:52:56.760 --> 01:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>whole time. You have no accountability for how you treat people,

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01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:08.199
<v Speaker 1>and it replaces your context with its context.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So remind everyone we're back to talking about social

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01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:16.560
<v Speaker 3>media because now you're like, oh my god, they could

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01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:17.920
<v Speaker 3>be talking about AI exactly.

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01:53:18.319 --> 01:53:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Is this the next level?

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01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:24.439
<v Speaker 1>It's merging because rock comes from X right, and that

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01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:26.399
<v Speaker 1>that's an AI, and Meta has its own and you

2103
01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:29.760
<v Speaker 1>got Siri and you got Alexa.

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01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:34.000
<v Speaker 3>What is artificial intelligence that we call and they're not.

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01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:36.680
<v Speaker 3>It's not AI, it's not even AI. It's just language

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01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:41.000
<v Speaker 3>learning models. It's just super advanced, super fast versions of

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01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:43.880
<v Speaker 3>what we were already dealing with here, the data, the

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01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:47.359
<v Speaker 3>data driven data sets. They can just analyze it so

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01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:49.760
<v Speaker 3>much faster and split it back to us, and they

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<v Speaker 3>can do all of these things and personalize it just

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01:53:52.159 --> 01:53:54.680
<v Speaker 3>for you. What could possibly go wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

2113
01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Jay talks to Grop all the time like he's real helpful.

2114
01:53:58.680 --> 01:54:03.520
<v Speaker 1>What said up like technical stuff and problem solving.

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01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:06.399
<v Speaker 3>Like he's rewiring his I'm gonna change your mind about that,

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01:54:06.439 --> 01:54:09.640
<v Speaker 3>because if you thought the social media was rewiring your brain,

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01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:11.479
<v Speaker 3>I have a few stories that would make you think

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01:54:11.479 --> 01:54:13.960
<v Speaker 3>twice about using AI on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So everyone is forced to play this optimization game

2121
01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:23.199
<v Speaker 1>or be an asshole on the internet to get anywhere

2122
01:54:24.239 --> 01:54:26.640
<v Speaker 1>in hopes of getting more and more out of your

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01:54:26.640 --> 01:54:29.079
<v Speaker 1>social media, because that's what happens to addicts, Like you

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01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:33.119
<v Speaker 1>get a tolerance to your drug and you have to

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01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:36.199
<v Speaker 1>keep getting more and more to fill the same thing.

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01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sucks about drugs, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, right, So algorithms root particular content, he says, Oh,

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01:54:50.520 --> 01:54:52.960
<v Speaker 1>this is funny. In twenty eighteen, he said podcasting is

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01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:56.520
<v Speaker 1>not a bummer yet I'm like, well, it is.

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01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Now major bummer.

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01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:03.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were there a long long time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm not going to play that I was here

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01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:08.600
<v Speaker 1>first card. But it's like it's just getting worse, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think twenty twenty was the worst year for podcasting

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01:55:14.199 --> 01:55:16.960
<v Speaker 1>bar none. That's when all of these weirdos crawled out

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01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:19.760
<v Speaker 1>from the woodwork and all of these insects and grifters.

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01:55:19.800 --> 01:55:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, like, it was pretty cool in twenty eighteen,

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01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:31.800
<v Speaker 1>but after the uh what did you call it? The event? Yeah?

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01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I come up with a clever name every time my brain.

2140
01:55:34.079 --> 01:55:36.359
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty, it just kind of took off and

2141
01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:39.880
<v Speaker 1>all of these turds started floating around in the punch bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>The medical medical the miracle medical intervention period.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we talk a lot about pod people, and we

2144
01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:53.039
<v Speaker 1>talk about hive mind because in the occult we're finding

2145
01:55:53.079 --> 01:55:55.680
<v Speaker 1>out that a lot of these secret societies, that is

2146
01:55:55.760 --> 01:56:01.159
<v Speaker 1>the point of the rituals is to give you a

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<v Speaker 1>hive mind, as like in the case of you know,

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01:56:03.479 --> 01:56:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Freemasonry or something like that. Everyone is supposed to be

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01:56:06.279 --> 01:56:09.079
<v Speaker 1>under the direction of serious So.

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<v Speaker 3>The the b colony in the beehive symbology is actually

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01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:16.640
<v Speaker 3>pretty big with Freemasonry.

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01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, So hive mind is huge.

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01:56:19.279 --> 01:56:22.119
<v Speaker 3>He said, what even suggests I've heard that that's why

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01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:24.600
<v Speaker 3>your kids' school buses are yellow and black.

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01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was just for visibility.

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01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:31.319
<v Speaker 2>No, I heard a different theory about him.

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01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, because it was bees like going.

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01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:35.920
<v Speaker 3>To the Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, that's all part of

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01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:39.800
<v Speaker 3>the indoctrination thing. Look, there's only two groups of people

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<v Speaker 3>with those same types of buses, right, the prisons and

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01:56:43.079 --> 01:56:43.920
<v Speaker 3>the schools.

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01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:47.560
<v Speaker 1>And prisons and schools are built by the same contractors,

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01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and they look like identical.

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01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:54.479
<v Speaker 2>And I bet you they're all freemasons probably. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks about filter bubbles. Your aggregate podcast will be

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01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:02.279
<v Speaker 1>a filter for bubbles, so he's predicting the future right now.

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01:57:02.279 --> 01:57:04.399
<v Speaker 1>He said, it will include only voices you agree with,

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01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:07.159
<v Speaker 1>except they won't really be voices because the content will

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01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:09.359
<v Speaker 1>all be mushed together in a stream of fragments. He's

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<v Speaker 1>describing TikTok right now a chriacture of what listeners supposedly

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01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:16.000
<v Speaker 1>hold in common. You wouldn't even live in the same

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01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>universe as someone listening to a different aggregation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 3>So, like, I guess we refer to this now as

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01:57:25.079 --> 01:57:27.319
<v Speaker 3>the echo chamber is probably the more common term.

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01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, echo chamber or.

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01:57:31.399 --> 01:57:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Or trap or culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Skippity toilet, that's what I called.

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<v Speaker 3>It, skippy Okay, Oh my god, I just found out

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01:57:41.800 --> 01:57:43.079
<v Speaker 3>about the skibbity toilet thing.

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01:57:43.079 --> 01:57:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was fake. I had to look into this.

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01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that's crazy anyway, man Ah, this is brain

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01:57:50.079 --> 01:57:50.800
<v Speaker 3>rot content.

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<v Speaker 1>I love TikTok and it's total brain rot. I guess

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01:57:57.319 --> 01:57:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I just love what.

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01:57:58.039 --> 01:58:02.439
<v Speaker 3>The Jerry rock Chimer's making a skippity toilet movie, right,

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01:58:02.479 --> 01:58:03.279
<v Speaker 3>didn't you hear about that?

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01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Hm mm?

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01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yeah, because I was like, what is this?

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01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:08.000
<v Speaker 3>And then when I found out what it was, I'm like,

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01:58:08.039 --> 01:58:08.840
<v Speaker 3>you got to be kidding me.

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01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:10.960
<v Speaker 2>This is a joke. Is April fools?

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01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:14.520
<v Speaker 3>No, He's making a full, big budget movie based on that.

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01:58:14.840 --> 01:58:16.720
<v Speaker 3>The people's heads sticking out of the toilet thing.

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01:58:16.800 --> 01:58:22.399
<v Speaker 1>This silly, that is so crazy. The next generations are

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01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:26.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of warped by this being online all the time.

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01:58:26.720 --> 01:58:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I think.

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01:58:28.880 --> 01:58:30.840
<v Speaker 2>They're certainly not getting better well.

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01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:36.800
<v Speaker 1>And his next point speaks to the adolescent show that

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01:58:36.840 --> 01:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about at the beginning, because it says

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01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:42.680
<v Speaker 1>social media is just drawing empathy. Now, a couple months ago,

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01:58:42.760 --> 01:58:47.319
<v Speaker 1>these books were coming out like empathy is bad. You

2203
01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:50.920
<v Speaker 1>hear all these people talking negatively about empathy and the

2204
01:58:50.960 --> 01:58:55.720
<v Speaker 1>concept context of immigration and stuff like that. He says,

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01:58:55.840 --> 01:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>this is destroying your capacity for empathy.

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01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:02.720
<v Speaker 6>He and.

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01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I put home math on. What

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01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:12.319
<v Speaker 1>did I want to say about? Do you know who

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01:59:12.399 --> 01:59:13.079
<v Speaker 1>that account is?

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01:59:15.239 --> 01:59:15.960
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:16.239
<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this guy, he was like one of these

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01:59:21.720 --> 01:59:25.800
<v Speaker 1>red pill guys who had all these ideas a colledge

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01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:32.119
<v Speaker 1>channel home math, and he had all these charts of

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01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:34.840
<v Speaker 1>like why women pick alphas and not betas and we

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01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:38.119
<v Speaker 1>hate women because they're a hyperchemus and all of this stuff.

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01:59:38.119 --> 01:59:40.760
<v Speaker 1>And then he tweeted like he was responsible and it

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01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:43.119
<v Speaker 1>was getting it was adding to the idea that just

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01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:46.840
<v Speaker 1>women are hoses, right, That's why I call it home math.

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01:59:47.760 --> 01:59:50.760
<v Speaker 1>And recently he tweeted like, I've been responsible for like

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01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:57.079
<v Speaker 1>an ungodly number of a bobos out of nowhere and

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01:59:58.239 --> 02:00:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like in the numbers of like seventy or something like that.

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02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:06.920
<v Speaker 1>And then he had a tweet about how he's never

2224
02:00:06.960 --> 02:00:08.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna find love because it's too late because he's dated

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02:00:08.960 --> 02:00:12.560
<v Speaker 1>too many people. And basically he was admitting like he

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02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:16.239
<v Speaker 1>is the hoe in this equation, okay, not the women

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02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:19.119
<v Speaker 1>that he's quantified and qualified and tried to, you know,

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02:00:19.199 --> 02:00:21.239
<v Speaker 1>explain to all the different men how they should be

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02:00:21.239 --> 02:00:24.039
<v Speaker 1>because of the hoes. He was the hoe. And this

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02:00:24.359 --> 02:00:29.560
<v Speaker 1>empathy is getting destroyed and they're giving it to the ais.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the context of like the robot from Saudi Arabia,

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02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:41.039
<v Speaker 1>remember that one, Sofia, that AI robot that was like

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02:00:41.119 --> 02:00:44.960
<v Speaker 1>doing the tour, and she has like rights, more rights

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02:00:44.960 --> 02:00:46.039
<v Speaker 1>than actual women have.

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02:00:49.119 --> 02:00:50.039
<v Speaker 2>This is in real life.

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02:00:50.920 --> 02:00:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, oh that's right.

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02:00:56.079 --> 02:00:58.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I know, the one they told they made

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02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:00.000
<v Speaker 3>her a citizen in Saudi Arabia or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so the empathy is being taken away from

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<v Speaker 1>humanity and given to artificial intelligence. So he talks about

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02:01:12.119 --> 02:01:16.439
<v Speaker 1>empathy is a fuel that runs a decent society. Without it,

2242
02:01:16.560 --> 02:01:29.920
<v Speaker 1>only rules and competitions for power are left. See, in

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02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:34.319
<v Speaker 1>order for the bummer to self optimize, is naturally and

2244
02:01:34.359 --> 02:01:38.159
<v Speaker 1>automatically seizes upon any latent tribalism and racism. For these

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02:01:38.199 --> 02:01:42.079
<v Speaker 1>are the neural hashtags waiting out there in everyone's psyche,

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02:01:42.119 --> 02:01:45.039
<v Speaker 1>which can be accentuated for the purpose of attention monopoly.

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02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:49.399
<v Speaker 1>The version of the world you are seeing is invisible

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02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to the people who misunderstand you, and vice versa, so

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02:01:51.920 --> 02:01:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it destroys your ability to empathize with everyone else. He

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02:01:59.560 --> 02:02:03.119
<v Speaker 1>talks about yah having a theory of mind. I never

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02:02:03.159 --> 02:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>heard it put this way, but the theory of mind

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02:02:06.119 --> 02:02:11.600
<v Speaker 1>is the ability to basically like ration out why people

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02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:14.039
<v Speaker 1>would think a certain way or why they would do

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02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:18.159
<v Speaker 1>that just putting yourself in someone else's shoes. So the

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<v Speaker 1>social media and the internet is destroying our ability to

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02:02:22.199 --> 02:02:24.960
<v Speaker 1>imagine what it would be like to be someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's that.

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02:02:29.159 --> 02:02:33.479
<v Speaker 3>That's never created a psychopathic killers or anything before in history.

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02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:35.119
<v Speaker 2>So we should be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Psychos have a lot of empathy, don't they. Oh yeah, tons,

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02:02:42.920 --> 02:02:49.359
<v Speaker 1>So yeah we do. That's the negative emotions can be utilized.

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02:02:49.479 --> 02:02:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah. So the bummer robs you a theory

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02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of mind and social media is making you unhappy. Now

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02:03:01.720 --> 02:03:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that is a pretty obvious point. So now we're on

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<v Speaker 1>number seven of ten points of why you should delete

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02:03:08.079 --> 02:03:10.720
<v Speaker 1>this crap or at least try to engage with it

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02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:15.840
<v Speaker 1>as little as possible. The book actually has a surprise

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02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:18.119
<v Speaker 1>ending about AI. I think you are guys that are

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02:03:18.119 --> 02:03:22.000
<v Speaker 1>going to like and I think Rocks already like danced

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02:03:22.039 --> 02:03:25.600
<v Speaker 1>around it, which is really cool. So it is literally

2271
02:03:25.600 --> 02:03:28.640
<v Speaker 1>making you unhappy. We've talked about how the negative emotions

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02:03:28.640 --> 02:03:32.920
<v Speaker 1>can be utilized more readily. It makes you feel judged, Yes,

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02:03:32.960 --> 02:03:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it makes you feel in competition. Yes, all of these

2274
02:03:36.880 --> 02:03:44.800
<v Speaker 1>things are arbitrary. Yes, everyone is worried more about how

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02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:50.079
<v Speaker 1>they are perceived online and how can you be authentic

2276
02:03:50.119 --> 02:03:52.239
<v Speaker 1>when everything you read, say, or do is being fed

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02:03:52.279 --> 02:03:59.640
<v Speaker 1>into the judgment machine. I'm scared to post things a lot.

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02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Self censorship phenomenon, right.

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02:04:02.239 --> 02:04:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I know I'm not a mean person. I

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02:04:05.039 --> 02:04:06.840
<v Speaker 1>know I'm not a dumb person. I know I'm not

2281
02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:10.479
<v Speaker 1>like an asshole, and I'm still scared to put my

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02:04:11.079 --> 02:04:13.359
<v Speaker 1>well thought out opinion on there just because I don't

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02:04:13.399 --> 02:04:16.520
<v Speaker 1>want to get all like the bros mad at me.

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02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:20.159
<v Speaker 2>And then a lot of I mean, like some people

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02:04:20.199 --> 02:04:20.520
<v Speaker 2>get this.

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02:04:20.600 --> 02:04:23.239
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people act like, obviously, this person has

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02:04:23.279 --> 02:04:25.119
<v Speaker 3>no clue that what they just wrote is on the

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02:04:25.119 --> 02:04:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Internet forever, or at least that's what we're told. Everything

2289
02:04:28.880 --> 02:04:32.199
<v Speaker 3>is online forever until the powers that be shut down

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet or closed down the archive, web page, wayback

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02:04:35.479 --> 02:04:38.159
<v Speaker 3>machine and change history for a week and then put

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<v Speaker 3>it back online. Oh wait, never mind, that's a story

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<v Speaker 3>for another day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's true because to them, to the people in

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<v Speaker 1>Silicon Valley, we're just kind of like ants digging in

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02:04:46.680 --> 02:04:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the dirt, and they are way above us, you know,

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02:04:52.359 --> 02:04:55.439
<v Speaker 1>dictating policies and things that happen in the world. All

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<v Speaker 1>of the users are just resource.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and their users. That was the other thing I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to point out, is like who else are users?

2301
02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Drug users?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yes, good point, And uh, being a user is

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02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:12.760
<v Speaker 1>not actually a good thing. I mean, no, I don't

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02:05:12.760 --> 02:05:15.319
<v Speaker 1>want people to call me a user, like that's used

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02:05:15.319 --> 02:05:18.560
<v Speaker 1>to be something bad. You use people if you're a user,

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02:05:19.039 --> 02:05:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and I I don't know. Not a lot of people

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02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:24.720
<v Speaker 1>grew up around show business or backstage, Like I had

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02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:27.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot of performing people in my family and artistic people,

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02:05:27.479 --> 02:05:32.239
<v Speaker 1>so I know what it's like that the stage is fake, right,

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02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the platform is illusion. Nobody looks like that, nobody acts

2311
02:05:37.960 --> 02:05:40.000
<v Speaker 1>like that, nobody talks like that. As soon as the

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02:05:40.039 --> 02:05:43.880
<v Speaker 1>camera is cut, people are completely different people. We're like,

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02:05:43.960 --> 02:05:46.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, taking the costume off, We're taking the eyelashes off,

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02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:48.640
<v Speaker 1>we're lighting a cigarette.

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<v Speaker 4>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this is illusion, and it makes everybody who

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02:05:54.159 --> 02:05:57.520
<v Speaker 1>wants to be a content creator who doesn't know about

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<v Speaker 1>the like the Wizard of Oz aspect of showbiz, think

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02:06:01.399 --> 02:06:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that everybody is a real sincere asian. I know you're real.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, yeah, I mean this is okay. Listen, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you.

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02:06:14.239 --> 02:06:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Like people, when I get compliments about what I do

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02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:20.199
<v Speaker 3>and why people like to follow and listen to me,

2324
02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:22.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, that's great, but I hope that doesn't

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02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:24.520
<v Speaker 3>fall into the wrong hands because somebody could grift off

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02:06:24.520 --> 02:06:26.720
<v Speaker 3>of that. And I don't obviously, but they this is

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02:06:26.720 --> 02:06:29.000
<v Speaker 3>why they like the Boilerroom. This's why they like Sunny

2328
02:06:29.039 --> 02:06:32.319
<v Speaker 3>Wire and certain content creators because there is an actual

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02:06:32.439 --> 02:06:35.479
<v Speaker 3>genuineness about it. And I'm very transparent about what I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though my show is pre recorded, I do like

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02:06:38.279 --> 02:06:40.479
<v Speaker 3>what we're doing here. It's just it's recorded in one

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02:06:40.680 --> 02:06:43.039
<v Speaker 3>or it's all done and one one thing. It's all

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02:06:43.079 --> 02:06:45.000
<v Speaker 3>at once. Like I understand, there are people who come

2334
02:06:45.079 --> 02:06:48.520
<v Speaker 3>at me in this industry or dare call it that,

2335
02:06:48.880 --> 02:06:51.640
<v Speaker 3>who do live shows exclusively. I don't have time for

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02:06:51.640 --> 02:06:54.039
<v Speaker 3>anybody who does pre recorded shows. And I'm like, well,

2337
02:06:54.119 --> 02:06:56.439
<v Speaker 3>I do it as if it's live, but you see

2338
02:06:56.439 --> 02:06:58.840
<v Speaker 3>me fumbling and looking down and switching and stuff like.

2339
02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:01.359
<v Speaker 3>But when you turn onto like a Hollywood or an

2340
02:07:01.399 --> 02:07:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Alex Jones, they got the studio and the team and

2341
02:07:03.880 --> 02:07:07.680
<v Speaker 3>the scriptwriters and AI chat GPT handle everything for him,

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02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:11.560
<v Speaker 3>so like it's all fake. Everything is fake when you

2343
02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:14.199
<v Speaker 3>come across these long form podcasts where it's just a

2344
02:07:14.199 --> 02:07:17.000
<v Speaker 3>couple of people hanging out in a room together having

2345
02:07:17.039 --> 02:07:20.039
<v Speaker 3>a conversation on a Saturday night or whatever it may be, right,

2346
02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:23.520
<v Speaker 3>there's something about that. There's this level of sincerity to

2347
02:07:23.640 --> 02:07:26.760
<v Speaker 3>it that can't be faked. And I'm hoping I'm hoping,

2348
02:07:27.000 --> 02:07:28.920
<v Speaker 3>knocking on wood here, that AI won't be able to

2349
02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:33.920
<v Speaker 3>fake this kind of a natural, organic, transparent conversation and

2350
02:07:33.960 --> 02:07:36.199
<v Speaker 3>they'll only be able to spit out that nice, slick,

2351
02:07:36.319 --> 02:07:39.840
<v Speaker 3>cool sounding like the propaganda videos have been getting out

2352
02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:41.880
<v Speaker 3>of the White House lately, where they're like the slow

2353
02:07:41.920 --> 02:07:45.239
<v Speaker 3>moving slow walk down the tarmac and the dramatic music

2354
02:07:45.279 --> 02:07:49.520
<v Speaker 3>and the explosions and Trump promises made, promises delivered. Those

2355
02:07:49.560 --> 02:07:52.039
<v Speaker 3>things cost millions of dollars to produce, and we eat

2356
02:07:52.039 --> 02:07:55.239
<v Speaker 3>it up like it's candy. It's crazy. We're not like that,

2357
02:07:55.319 --> 02:07:57.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, at least I know I'm not. I'm pretty

2358
02:07:57.239 --> 02:07:59.920
<v Speaker 3>sure you're not, Jamie. I mean, is that hair even.

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02:08:00.279 --> 02:08:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to ye, No, it's perfectly right. That might

2360
02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:04.920
<v Speaker 2>be a wig. Are you trying to trick those.

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02:08:05.359 --> 02:08:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the thing that when I started, you know,

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02:08:10.199 --> 02:08:12.079
<v Speaker 1>I like to say, I didn't know this was a

2363
02:08:12.079 --> 02:08:16.359
<v Speaker 1>clown show, and I came with my real face, so

2364
02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I get kind of mad and offended and but hurt

2365
02:08:20.439 --> 02:08:24.479
<v Speaker 1>sometimes that like, idiots get way more attention than what

2366
02:08:24.560 --> 02:08:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to do. But it's like you have to

2367
02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:30.880
<v Speaker 1>realize that that literally is the game is just like

2368
02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:36.760
<v Speaker 1>being an asshole, playing fake, pandering to people, swishing sides.

2369
02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:39.079
<v Speaker 1>You know you you wear it.

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02:08:39.319 --> 02:08:42.600
<v Speaker 2>We just said, don't hate the player. I don't hate

2371
02:08:42.600 --> 02:08:43.399
<v Speaker 2>the player, hate the game.

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02:08:44.000 --> 02:08:46.720
<v Speaker 1>But if you've never been around a lot of Hollywood

2373
02:08:46.720 --> 02:08:49.119
<v Speaker 1>people too, this is another point, Like people in show

2374
02:08:49.119 --> 02:08:52.720
<v Speaker 1>business are a different animal, especially when it comes to

2375
02:08:52.760 --> 02:08:57.000
<v Speaker 1>their career. So mostly when you're like collaborating with other people,

2376
02:08:57.039 --> 02:09:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you're you're looking for people who can advance you and

2377
02:09:00.279 --> 02:09:05.760
<v Speaker 1>your status in the show business. Right, That's not how

2378
02:09:05.800 --> 02:09:09.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody interacts in life. You make friends and you take

2379
02:09:09.880 --> 02:09:11.800
<v Speaker 1>people as they come and you learn about them and

2380
02:09:11.800 --> 02:09:15.239
<v Speaker 1>you have common interests or whatever. But Hollywood characters and

2381
02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, content creators and a lot of people fall

2382
02:09:18.039 --> 02:09:20.800
<v Speaker 1>into that trap where I only want to socialize with

2383
02:09:20.840 --> 02:09:23.720
<v Speaker 1>people who can get me to where I'm going. And

2384
02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:27.119
<v Speaker 1>so lots of people who would otherwise be normal are

2385
02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:29.319
<v Speaker 1>treating the rest of humanity like a resource.

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02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:37.520
<v Speaker 2>That's like societal class division right there. It's just weird.

2387
02:09:40.600 --> 02:09:43.119
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, being real versus being fake?

2388
02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:44.239
<v Speaker 2>What is the.

2389
02:09:45.680 --> 02:09:49.640
<v Speaker 1>What is the protocol here? I don't know. The constant

2390
02:09:49.640 --> 02:09:52.000
<v Speaker 1>comparisons to other people cause you anxiety. I get that

2391
02:09:52.039 --> 02:09:55.479
<v Speaker 1>all the time, Like my numbers are so low that like,

2392
02:09:56.239 --> 02:09:57.319
<v Speaker 1>I must be a loser.

2393
02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh and then and it's a completely different thing to

2394
02:10:04.359 --> 02:10:06.720
<v Speaker 3>experience being on the other side of it too, Like

2395
02:10:06.760 --> 02:10:10.039
<v Speaker 3>when you're when you're the influencer or the content creator.

2396
02:10:10.479 --> 02:10:13.159
<v Speaker 3>Now there's this whole other dynamic of this pressure to

2397
02:10:13.359 --> 02:10:17.239
<v Speaker 3>produce content. And like if you if you stop producing content.

2398
02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Forget it. That's you're Oh what happened to that? Yeah,

2399
02:10:20.319 --> 02:10:22.319
<v Speaker 2>don't do that hockey producing content.

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02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:26.079
<v Speaker 1>You're fine, You're totally forgotten. And like, yeah, Jay is

2401
02:10:26.119 --> 02:10:28.159
<v Speaker 1>always like trying to give me advice on like how

2402
02:10:28.199 --> 02:10:35.560
<v Speaker 1>to tweak it or be more popular or whatever. And

2403
02:10:35.600 --> 02:10:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I want to do it the way I

2404
02:10:36.880 --> 02:10:40.000
<v Speaker 1>want to do it. I don't want to just we artist, Like,

2405
02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to pander to people. I just want

2406
02:10:43.560 --> 02:10:45.199
<v Speaker 1>to make my art and if they like it, they do.

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02:10:45.319 --> 02:10:49.319
<v Speaker 2>But social media same way, Jamie.

2408
02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Social media does not want you to have economic dignity.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is number eight. We're getting to the end

2410
02:10:55.039 --> 02:10:58.640
<v Speaker 1>of this book. It says it promotes the gig economy

2411
02:10:58.720 --> 02:11:01.239
<v Speaker 1>and not the best route to financial security.

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02:11:03.239 --> 02:11:04.960
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting he brought that up.

2413
02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so now we're talking about making money as a

2414
02:11:07.640 --> 02:11:10.000
<v Speaker 1>content creator. Just like we were saying, you know, you

2415
02:11:10.079 --> 02:11:13.000
<v Speaker 1>have to be a fake phony or a wear a

2416
02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:15.399
<v Speaker 1>headscarf on this day or you know, hate these groups

2417
02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:17.960
<v Speaker 1>on that day, and just depending on how the wind blows.

2418
02:11:18.760 --> 02:11:22.720
<v Speaker 1>You have no integrity because it's linked to Now it's

2419
02:11:22.720 --> 02:11:26.720
<v Speaker 1>linked to your income. And I've seen this like Jay

2420
02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:29.039
<v Speaker 1>debate a lot of people and he pretty much like

2421
02:11:29.119 --> 02:11:31.359
<v Speaker 1>wins the debate. But you know that person is never

2422
02:11:31.439 --> 02:11:33.840
<v Speaker 1>going to say that in public or change their mind

2423
02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:41.119
<v Speaker 1>because they've already built up this audience with their content. Right,

2424
02:11:41.800 --> 02:11:44.319
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like this person can just go, oh, yeah,

2425
02:11:44.319 --> 02:11:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you're right, I'm gonna like convert or do this other

2426
02:11:46.960 --> 02:11:50.079
<v Speaker 1>thing because their whole income is wrapped up and being

2427
02:11:50.119 --> 02:11:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the opposite.

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02:11:51.520 --> 02:11:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Which which are these are?

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02:11:52.720 --> 02:11:56.159
<v Speaker 3>These are all propaganda tools, by the way, in persuasion

2430
02:11:56.199 --> 02:12:02.159
<v Speaker 3>tools like the appeal to authority being liked, so people

2431
02:12:02.319 --> 02:12:06.279
<v Speaker 3>like if you've if like I have how many like

2432
02:12:06.439 --> 02:12:09.319
<v Speaker 3>so many like maybe a small thousands of followers on

2433
02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:12.319
<v Speaker 3>my X account, and I could say I could say

2434
02:12:12.920 --> 02:12:15.680
<v Speaker 3>whatever fill in the blank right, and I would get

2435
02:12:15.680 --> 02:12:17.840
<v Speaker 3>like zero reaction. But if I'm the guy who has

2436
02:12:17.920 --> 02:12:21.640
<v Speaker 3>five million views and likes and followers and one hundred

2437
02:12:21.720 --> 02:12:25.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, I have a bigger audience. I'm deemed perceived

2438
02:12:26.159 --> 02:12:30.079
<v Speaker 3>to be a person of authority. So now what I

2439
02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:33.520
<v Speaker 3>have to say actually means something. Where's there's no difference.

2440
02:12:33.560 --> 02:12:36.039
<v Speaker 3>It's it's still the same thing that's being said, but

2441
02:12:36.239 --> 02:12:38.479
<v Speaker 3>you are only paying attention to it because of where

2442
02:12:38.479 --> 02:12:42.439
<v Speaker 3>it's coming from, because of this perceived fake, fake thing.

2443
02:12:43.119 --> 02:12:46.439
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's terrible and and and people know how

2444
02:12:46.439 --> 02:12:49.079
<v Speaker 3>to use that to their advantage. They can poison the

2445
02:12:49.159 --> 02:12:50.920
<v Speaker 3>well as it were. I mean, you can poison the

2446
02:12:51.000 --> 02:12:52.119
<v Speaker 3>data sets.

2447
02:12:51.920 --> 02:12:52.119
<v Speaker 4>You know.

2448
02:12:52.199 --> 02:12:54.079
<v Speaker 3>And they can do this with AI too. By the

2449
02:12:54.119 --> 02:12:56.359
<v Speaker 3>way that they're doing this, it's called prompt injection. It's

2450
02:12:56.359 --> 02:12:59.399
<v Speaker 3>a new scam. Y'all should look into that and try

2451
02:12:59.399 --> 02:13:02.119
<v Speaker 3>to prevent yourself from having like don't pick up straight,

2452
02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:04.479
<v Speaker 3>don't go online and pick up strange. Here's how you

2453
02:13:04.520 --> 02:13:07.279
<v Speaker 3>should write prompts for your chat GPT. Don't do that.

2454
02:13:07.319 --> 02:13:08.000
<v Speaker 3>People don't.

2455
02:13:08.479 --> 02:13:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a whole books written on about how to

2456
02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:12.600
<v Speaker 1>lie with statistics.

2457
02:13:13.239 --> 02:13:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Well Bill Bill Gates has a copy of that.

2458
02:13:15.680 --> 02:13:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's in his picture. You can see it

2459
02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:21.800
<v Speaker 1>right there on his desk. So it's like these influencers,

2460
02:13:21.840 --> 02:13:24.560
<v Speaker 1>just because you have three million followers. That doesn't mean

2461
02:13:24.600 --> 02:13:28.199
<v Speaker 1>what you say has any value whatsoever, but it does.

2462
02:13:28.359 --> 02:13:31.920
<v Speaker 1>But it does social media economy, right, Like you can

2463
02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:35.159
<v Speaker 1>know nothing about nothing, and I've got five million watchers

2464
02:13:35.199 --> 02:13:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and they those people become flying monkeys. Now we're talking.

2465
02:13:38.880 --> 02:13:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Which people were buying followers back in the day. Remember

2466
02:13:43.079 --> 02:13:45.279
<v Speaker 3>this is where do it. This is where the fake

2467
02:13:45.359 --> 02:13:47.920
<v Speaker 3>people come from. There's so many body accounts.

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02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just saw an article about how they are

2469
02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:54.960
<v Speaker 1>not no longer going after individual influencers, are going after

2470
02:13:55.840 --> 02:13:59.560
<v Speaker 1>account firms that hold like you know, one million, two

2471
02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:04.199
<v Speaker 1>million accounts and you just buy those. So it is

2472
02:14:04.279 --> 02:14:10.439
<v Speaker 1>also whack and like don't don't trust anybody on here

2473
02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:12.880
<v Speaker 1>me or rockets, do your own like he said, like

2474
02:14:13.239 --> 02:14:18.039
<v Speaker 1>just trust no one. Do the Molder method and what

2475
02:14:18.079 --> 02:14:20.760
<v Speaker 1>we say resonates with the truth, then good.

2476
02:14:20.800 --> 02:14:25.239
<v Speaker 3>But I don't read everything, listen to everybody. Don't believe

2477
02:14:25.319 --> 02:14:28.520
<v Speaker 3>anything until you prove it for yourself with your own research,

2478
02:14:28.600 --> 02:14:30.119
<v Speaker 3>and don't ask a growc.

2479
02:14:30.600 --> 02:14:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah oh yeah. So back to the economy. So it

2480
02:14:36.079 --> 02:14:38.960
<v Speaker 1>promotes the gig economy and it makes you an employee

2481
02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to the social media. He was talking about the tech

2482
02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>hippies from the nineties were almost religious about being focused

2483
02:14:47.640 --> 02:14:51.720
<v Speaker 1>on making everything free. So back in this era of

2484
02:14:51.880 --> 02:14:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Silicon Valley, they were all very excited about how this

2485
02:14:55.840 --> 02:15:00.439
<v Speaker 1>could be positive for the world, like free data, free sharing,

2486
02:15:00.520 --> 02:15:06.079
<v Speaker 1>free knowledge, open software, stuff like that. Like they were like, Oh,

2487
02:15:06.119 --> 02:15:09.399
<v Speaker 1>this can revolutionize, we won't have to work so hard.

2488
02:15:11.159 --> 02:15:16.960
<v Speaker 1>But somehow that all got turned into what we have today.

2489
02:15:19.720 --> 02:15:22.439
<v Speaker 2>The road to hell is paved with good intentions, folks.

2490
02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he said this makes the rapid growth possible,

2491
02:15:26.039 --> 02:15:30.199
<v Speaker 1>but also makes people part time labrats. So you are

2492
02:15:30.279 --> 02:15:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the beta tester of all of these different.

2493
02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Technologies, right and lo and behold, it turns out in

2494
02:15:38.600 --> 02:15:41.079
<v Speaker 3>retrospect it looks like that was all being used to

2495
02:15:41.119 --> 02:15:43.960
<v Speaker 3>just train these new AI algorithms.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird.

2497
02:15:47.039 --> 02:15:49.239
<v Speaker 1>He has a bombshell at the end of this book,

2498
02:15:49.319 --> 02:15:51.279
<v Speaker 1>so he's saying everything is supposed to be free, but

2499
02:15:51.640 --> 02:15:55.560
<v Speaker 1>we also want hero entrepreneurs who get rich. So we

2500
02:15:55.680 --> 02:15:59.319
<v Speaker 1>love that story of the like you know, Bill Gates

2501
02:15:59.319 --> 02:16:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and Steve Jobs in their garage and they're just middle

2502
02:16:02.520 --> 02:16:08.239
<v Speaker 1>class lads who like, uh, stumbled on this and worked

2503
02:16:08.279 --> 02:16:11.119
<v Speaker 1>hard and now they're super rich. And I just don't

2504
02:16:11.640 --> 02:16:15.760
<v Speaker 1>believe you become anyone becomes a billionaire from like a

2505
02:16:15.880 --> 02:16:17.479
<v Speaker 1>rags to riches story. What do you think?

2506
02:16:19.479 --> 02:16:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Definitely not. I mean unless you bought bitcoin at a

2507
02:16:21.720 --> 02:16:22.359
<v Speaker 2>penny right.

2508
02:16:22.760 --> 02:16:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, So the advertising he's saying, is morped into

2509
02:16:28.720 --> 02:16:33.680
<v Speaker 1>mass behavior modification Number nine. Social media makes politics impossible.

2510
02:16:35.879 --> 02:16:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So better here we are smack dab in the middle

2511
02:16:39.040 --> 02:16:43.559
<v Speaker 1>of what's going on. You know, it's the left against

2512
02:16:43.559 --> 02:16:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the right, it's the maga against the whatever it. In

2513
02:16:49.799 --> 02:16:54.479
<v Speaker 1>my mind, it's like the that meme with the the

2514
02:16:54.479 --> 02:16:57.200
<v Speaker 1>black bicep and the white bicep? Do you know that one?

2515
02:16:57.360 --> 02:17:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And they like they're united over something, And my algorithm

2516
02:17:02.000 --> 02:17:06.399
<v Speaker 1>tells me they're united over hating white women. But that's

2517
02:17:06.520 --> 02:17:09.079
<v Speaker 1>probably just my stupid phone like saying what are you

2518
02:17:09.159 --> 02:17:11.600
<v Speaker 1>scared of? And what do you think and try to

2519
02:17:11.680 --> 02:17:13.319
<v Speaker 1>rage bait me and make me feel bad.

2520
02:17:15.440 --> 02:17:16.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably it.

2521
02:17:18.079 --> 02:17:22.079
<v Speaker 1>So he said, it used to be thought that once

2522
02:17:22.120 --> 02:17:24.639
<v Speaker 1>a country went democratic, it would stay that way, but

2523
02:17:24.680 --> 02:17:29.479
<v Speaker 1>that's not true. And something is drawing young people away

2524
02:17:29.479 --> 02:17:35.319
<v Speaker 1>from democracy. Now this is twenty eighteen, and we are

2525
02:17:35.479 --> 02:17:38.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing that kind of come to fruition. And I think,

2526
02:17:38.799 --> 02:17:41.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, AI might be some kind of religion and

2527
02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:44.479
<v Speaker 1>a replacement for democracy.

2528
02:17:46.079 --> 02:17:51.959
<v Speaker 2>Well that's frightening, which is which is sure? I mean

2529
02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:54.040
<v Speaker 2>wow what? Wow?

2530
02:17:54.840 --> 02:17:57.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Because he's saying that there was a You and

2531
02:17:57.520 --> 02:18:01.000
<v Speaker 1>report about social media back in twenty said can be

2532
02:18:01.040 --> 02:18:06.159
<v Speaker 1>a deadly weapon, ship posts lead to revolutions.

2533
02:18:07.040 --> 02:18:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Who knew?

2534
02:18:08.079 --> 02:18:10.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've seen some interesting studies and research and

2535
02:18:11.040 --> 02:18:14.399
<v Speaker 3>various articles about this idea that that memes have been

2536
02:18:14.479 --> 02:18:18.760
<v Speaker 3>literally weaponized, that memes can be used to overthrow governments.

2537
02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Now that's how slick the machine is. And I'm just

2538
02:18:22.799 --> 02:18:25.120
<v Speaker 3>like wow. And you think about deep fakes and AI

2539
02:18:25.280 --> 02:18:28.319
<v Speaker 3>and the algorithm and the palenteers and like, holy crap,

2540
02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:31.000
<v Speaker 3>do we even need any kinetic anything anymore? Or can

2541
02:18:31.040 --> 02:18:33.520
<v Speaker 3>it just all be digitally manipulated and controlled?

2542
02:18:34.040 --> 02:18:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Do we need a false flag.

2543
02:18:35.520 --> 02:18:37.600
<v Speaker 3>In order to get everybody on board to go to

2544
02:18:37.639 --> 02:18:40.000
<v Speaker 3>war against Iran? Or can we just pretend like one

2545
02:18:40.079 --> 02:18:42.879
<v Speaker 3>was about to happen and polunteers saved the day?

2546
02:18:43.040 --> 02:18:43.520
<v Speaker 2>You never know?

2547
02:18:44.559 --> 02:18:47.280
<v Speaker 1>And that just made me think of how memes played

2548
02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:50.959
<v Speaker 1>in so heavily into getting Trump elected the first time,

2549
02:18:51.159 --> 02:18:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and go with the whole kech and Pepe and chaos

2550
02:18:55.680 --> 02:18:58.200
<v Speaker 1>magic and all that stuff that came out on four

2551
02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Chune because they were just the Trump because he was

2552
02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:06.239
<v Speaker 1>rogue because for the Lulls, right, And that's how funny

2553
02:19:06.239 --> 02:19:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the internet can be. It's so irreverent that they will

2554
02:19:09.159 --> 02:19:13.319
<v Speaker 1>try and make something happen in real life just because

2555
02:19:13.479 --> 02:19:15.600
<v Speaker 1>it is the most audacious thing.

2556
02:19:16.559 --> 02:19:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Why you think that's a natural human reaction to the

2557
02:19:19.680 --> 02:19:22.639
<v Speaker 3>level of control and manipulation. Yeah, I think like they

2558
02:19:22.680 --> 02:19:23.959
<v Speaker 3>didn't expect this to happen.

2559
02:19:24.399 --> 02:19:31.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a a rebellion against authority and things that they

2560
02:19:31.959 --> 02:19:35.360
<v Speaker 1>find to be nonsensical.

2561
02:19:37.360 --> 02:19:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Makes sense.

2562
02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:45.319
<v Speaker 1>So something is drawing young people away from democracy. Social

2563
02:19:45.360 --> 02:19:54.840
<v Speaker 1>media is making politics impossible. It's making people crazy addicts.

2564
02:19:56.239 --> 02:20:00.239
<v Speaker 1>It can be a deadly weapon. I said. Read this

2565
02:20:00.319 --> 02:20:02.559
<v Speaker 1>quote on page one on nine. It says United Nations

2566
02:20:02.559 --> 02:20:06.959
<v Speaker 1>report social media is also a massively deubly weapon. Literally

2567
02:20:07.040 --> 02:20:11.079
<v Speaker 1>in South Sudan because of ship posts. Mysterious authors flood

2568
02:20:11.120 --> 02:20:15.879
<v Speaker 1>social media feeds with bizarre claims of wrongdoing supposedly perpetrated

2569
02:20:15.920 --> 02:20:20.719
<v Speaker 1>by a targeted group. Memes stimulate genocide, often report something

2570
02:20:20.840 --> 02:20:24.079
<v Speaker 1>horrible that is said to have been done to children.

2571
02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:28.879
<v Speaker 1>As always with Bummer, the nastiest, most paranoid messages get

2572
02:20:28.920 --> 02:20:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the most attention, and emotions spiral out of control. As

2573
02:20:31.840 --> 02:20:38.520
<v Speaker 1>a byproduct of engaging, spiraling out of control. So what

2574
02:20:38.559 --> 02:20:42.399
<v Speaker 1>do they always say something they're killing the children, like

2575
02:20:42.440 --> 02:20:46.319
<v Speaker 1>this is how we got into Iraq, right, or this

2576
02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:48.799
<v Speaker 1>is how we got support to go to Iraq. I

2577
02:20:48.799 --> 02:20:50.840
<v Speaker 1>think we wanted to go to Iraq for Gilgamesh and

2578
02:20:50.879 --> 02:20:54.760
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff like that. But you know, tombs and artifacts

2579
02:20:54.799 --> 02:20:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that.

2580
02:20:55.639 --> 02:20:58.440
<v Speaker 2>But they were talking about the incubators.

2581
02:20:58.879 --> 02:21:02.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're like they have babies in incubators and

2582
02:21:02.719 --> 02:21:04.719
<v Speaker 1>killing them and they're doing all this stud they have

2583
02:21:04.719 --> 02:21:07.479
<v Speaker 1>weapons of mass destruction. It's always the same. I mean,

2584
02:21:07.520 --> 02:21:11.040
<v Speaker 1>if humanity keeps winning the falling for it again award

2585
02:21:13.799 --> 02:21:16.079
<v Speaker 1>one more time, I'm going to freak out. What do

2586
02:21:16.079 --> 02:21:16.399
<v Speaker 1>you think?

2587
02:21:17.159 --> 02:21:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Truly? Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating. It's always the dark, the

2588
02:21:22.719 --> 02:21:23.520
<v Speaker 2>darker side of it.

2589
02:21:23.600 --> 02:21:27.760
<v Speaker 3>This is not saying good things about what human beings

2590
02:21:27.760 --> 02:21:29.719
<v Speaker 3>are at their base. Remember what we were talking about

2591
02:21:29.719 --> 02:21:33.680
<v Speaker 3>earlier about being born into an original sin. Clearly humanity

2592
02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:37.239
<v Speaker 3>is not prone naturally to doing the right thing, and

2593
02:21:37.360 --> 02:21:40.840
<v Speaker 3>if we are, it's probably because of some outside influence

2594
02:21:41.360 --> 02:21:43.719
<v Speaker 3>that's actually a good one in this case, I would

2595
02:21:43.760 --> 02:21:44.600
<v Speaker 3>suggest God.

2596
02:21:45.280 --> 02:21:46.920
<v Speaker 2>In your knives case.

2597
02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:50.719
<v Speaker 1>And well, going back to the garden Eve is not

2598
02:21:50.920 --> 02:21:55.399
<v Speaker 1>very good at discerning what is true and false. Right, So,

2599
02:21:55.440 --> 02:21:57.639
<v Speaker 1>if I could say any critique about women, you're very

2600
02:21:57.719 --> 02:22:03.440
<v Speaker 1>gullible to and especially to this social media crap because

2601
02:22:03.479 --> 02:22:05.959
<v Speaker 1>women are social people.

2602
02:22:06.040 --> 02:22:06.200
<v Speaker 4>Like.

2603
02:22:08.239 --> 02:22:11.040
<v Speaker 1>A little bit more than men. We are very concerned with,

2604
02:22:11.159 --> 02:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, our family and our friends and our like

2605
02:22:14.479 --> 02:22:15.360
<v Speaker 1>social circle.

2606
02:22:17.399 --> 02:22:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was there was a popular meme going around

2607
02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:21.319
<v Speaker 3>for a while. It's like when it looked like one

2608
02:22:21.319 --> 02:22:24.479
<v Speaker 3>of those viral TikTok challenges, is like, women can't pass

2609
02:22:24.559 --> 02:22:26.840
<v Speaker 3>this challenge, and then there's a dude standing next to

2610
02:22:26.879 --> 02:22:29.760
<v Speaker 3>the chick and they start to challenge, and the guy

2611
02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:31.840
<v Speaker 3>just stands there and he doesn't say anything, and the

2612
02:22:32.280 --> 02:22:34.879
<v Speaker 3>chick just just like, I don't get it. She keeps

2613
02:22:35.440 --> 02:22:36.639
<v Speaker 3>The challenge was to not.

2614
02:22:36.600 --> 02:22:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Talk yeah oh yeah, exactly.

2615
02:22:40.280 --> 02:22:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Completely over her head. Lost. It's funny in.

2616
02:22:43.520 --> 02:22:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Women's defense, like we're verbal like that because babies need

2617
02:22:47.079 --> 02:22:50.239
<v Speaker 1>to learn how to talk from being around mom, and

2618
02:22:50.239 --> 02:22:52.040
<v Speaker 1>if mom's not a chatter box, baby's not going to

2619
02:22:52.120 --> 02:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>learn any words. So, and you have to be good

2620
02:22:54.520 --> 02:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>at talking to somebody who doesn't understand you, uh, doesn't

2621
02:22:58.319 --> 02:23:03.559
<v Speaker 1>know what you're saying, and cannot comment back. So I

2622
02:23:03.600 --> 02:23:07.280
<v Speaker 1>think that's one reason why women are chatty like that

2623
02:23:07.360 --> 02:23:09.959
<v Speaker 1>even when nobody is responding.

2624
02:23:10.000 --> 02:23:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It's funny the use it or lose it principle.

2625
02:23:13.040 --> 02:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Yea, so he says, mysterious authors flood social media. Oh

2626
02:23:16.879 --> 02:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I read that. A typical story of social media and

2627
02:23:19.879 --> 02:23:23.360
<v Speaker 1>politics goes like this. A group of hip, young educated

2628
02:23:23.399 --> 02:23:26.920
<v Speaker 1>people get into social media platform first, because these things

2629
02:23:27.040 --> 02:23:30.799
<v Speaker 1>come out of the hip, young educated world. They're idealistic.

2630
02:23:30.920 --> 02:23:34.360
<v Speaker 1>They may be literal liberal, conservative or anything, but they

2631
02:23:34.399 --> 02:23:37.479
<v Speaker 1>silly want the world to be better. That goes for

2632
02:23:37.520 --> 02:23:40.319
<v Speaker 1>both the techies and the platform and the people in

2633
02:23:40.360 --> 02:23:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the world who use it. But this bummer social media

2634
02:23:44.280 --> 02:23:48.159
<v Speaker 1>network ultimately feels loudmouthed assholes and con artists more than

2635
02:23:48.159 --> 02:23:52.079
<v Speaker 1>it does initial groups of hip, young educated idealists because

2636
02:23:52.159 --> 02:23:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the longer because in the longer term, bummer is more

2637
02:23:56.760 --> 02:24:00.120
<v Speaker 1>suited to sneaky, malevolent manipulation than to any other per.

2638
02:24:03.719 --> 02:24:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Now that is a bummer. What a name.

2639
02:24:08.559 --> 02:24:11.639
<v Speaker 1>So just if you've missed that part, Bummer is what

2640
02:24:11.719 --> 02:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>he calls the all of the social media conglomerations Facebook, Twitter,

2641
02:24:19.719 --> 02:24:24.559
<v Speaker 1>TikTok whatever, which everybody harps on TikTok. But I feel

2642
02:24:24.559 --> 02:24:26.719
<v Speaker 1>like that is the one place where you can see

2643
02:24:26.760 --> 02:24:29.719
<v Speaker 1>people more for who they really are. I know it's

2644
02:24:29.719 --> 02:24:33.479
<v Speaker 1>really short, you know, scrolling content, but it's like you

2645
02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:36.959
<v Speaker 1>see their face, you get a feel for their presence,

2646
02:24:36.959 --> 02:24:40.799
<v Speaker 1>who they are. There's not a lot of airs being

2647
02:24:40.840 --> 02:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>put on usually in TikTok creations, not like Instagram or

2648
02:24:44.479 --> 02:24:45.159
<v Speaker 1>something like that.

2649
02:24:48.280 --> 02:24:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I've read some articles recently, even on my

2650
02:24:51.680 --> 02:24:54.879
<v Speaker 3>own program to Daily Recus of course, about how some

2651
02:24:54.959 --> 02:24:57.239
<v Speaker 3>of these TikTok influencers, Like there was this one popular

2652
02:24:57.319 --> 02:25:00.520
<v Speaker 3>lady who is like known for her yoga and her

2653
02:25:00.559 --> 02:25:04.239
<v Speaker 3>coffee streams, and apparently she doesn't do yoga and she

2654
02:25:04.280 --> 02:25:05.559
<v Speaker 3>doesn't drink coffee, and she.

2655
02:25:05.520 --> 02:25:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Admitted that to her followers when.

2656
02:25:07.520 --> 02:25:10.159
<v Speaker 3>They found that when everybody thought that TikTok was going away,

2657
02:25:10.879 --> 02:25:11.760
<v Speaker 3>she wasn't the only one.

2658
02:25:11.799 --> 02:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>There was a whole bunch of articles about this.

2659
02:25:13.239 --> 02:25:15.040
<v Speaker 3>It was like they all came out like, okay, I

2660
02:25:15.040 --> 02:25:16.879
<v Speaker 3>have a confession to make since this is the last

2661
02:25:16.959 --> 02:25:18.959
<v Speaker 3>day TikTok's going to be around, and they admitted that

2662
02:25:19.000 --> 02:25:22.040
<v Speaker 3>they've been lying to everybody. And then TikTok didn't go away,

2663
02:25:22.079 --> 02:25:24.120
<v Speaker 3>and some of these people just like they didn't skip

2664
02:25:24.159 --> 02:25:26.680
<v Speaker 3>a beat, Like now they're back to doing yoga and coffee,

2665
02:25:26.719 --> 02:25:30.360
<v Speaker 3>like people have such short attention spans, especially on TikTok.

2666
02:25:30.959 --> 02:25:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that weird?

2667
02:25:32.079 --> 02:25:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't that say something to how we kind of want

2668
02:25:34.520 --> 02:25:36.319
<v Speaker 1>to be deceived sometimes in a way.

2669
02:25:38.319 --> 02:25:41.159
<v Speaker 3>We watch movies and TV and we know it's not real.

2670
02:25:41.280 --> 02:25:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Why do we keep doing that? But we react like

2671
02:25:44.120 --> 02:25:45.959
<v Speaker 3>my roommate does that. I'll I forget what it was

2672
02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:47.639
<v Speaker 3>like to watch a movie and like talk to the

2673
02:25:47.639 --> 02:25:50.680
<v Speaker 3>screen like you're talking to fake people, Like, oh, well, shoot,

2674
02:25:50.840 --> 02:25:52.159
<v Speaker 3>you're doing that on Facebook too.

2675
02:25:52.840 --> 02:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and before that we had TV. Like you know,

2676
02:25:57.120 --> 02:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>television characters can start to feel like your friends if

2677
02:25:59.639 --> 02:26:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you watch I mean, I feel like I worked at

2678
02:26:01.920 --> 02:26:02.479
<v Speaker 1>the office.

2679
02:26:03.239 --> 02:26:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm still mourning the loss of Alex Trebek.

2680
02:26:06.079 --> 02:26:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so yeah, I definitely feel like, you know,

2681
02:26:10.799 --> 02:26:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Jim and Pam and Dwight were people from my life

2682
02:26:14.360 --> 02:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>because we watched that all the time. So the kids

2683
02:26:19.239 --> 02:26:26.239
<v Speaker 1>become addicted to atrocity. But in the past it had

2684
02:26:26.280 --> 02:26:29.879
<v Speaker 1>been organized gangs had ruled history history's many killing fields.

2685
02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>But now loaners were self radicalizing. So this is the

2686
02:26:33.600 --> 02:26:40.360
<v Speaker 1>point where you social media turns on you and makes

2687
02:26:40.360 --> 02:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>you less and less social ironically, right.

2688
02:26:45.120 --> 02:26:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Right, which is for you? Wasn't that like the point

2689
02:26:47.399 --> 02:26:49.280
<v Speaker 3>or well, I mean, I guess it wasn't. I guess

2690
02:26:49.280 --> 02:26:54.520
<v Speaker 3>the original point was to rate girls from your story earlier,

2691
02:26:55.879 --> 02:26:57.920
<v Speaker 3>but beyond that, the idea was like, the Facebook is

2692
02:26:57.959 --> 02:27:00.559
<v Speaker 3>like connect with your friends and your family, the friends

2693
02:27:01.040 --> 02:27:05.760
<v Speaker 3>and the family you already had before you joined Facebook,

2694
02:27:05.799 --> 02:27:09.559
<v Speaker 3>before you joined socially. Now, I mean, I I don't

2695
02:27:09.639 --> 02:27:11.639
<v Speaker 3>like I talk to any of my actual, real life,

2696
02:27:11.680 --> 02:27:16.360
<v Speaker 3>in real life friends on Facebook. Maybe my sister a messenger.

2697
02:27:16.680 --> 02:27:19.000
<v Speaker 3>They're all complete strangers, you know what I mean, the

2698
02:27:19.040 --> 02:27:22.040
<v Speaker 3>complete strangers. The online friends are my new friends, my

2699
02:27:22.120 --> 02:27:24.920
<v Speaker 3>new reality, my new world. And I've been fortunate to

2700
02:27:24.959 --> 02:27:27.520
<v Speaker 3>be able to meet so many of my online friends

2701
02:27:27.559 --> 02:27:29.680
<v Speaker 3>and my colleagues that I do this type of stuff

2702
02:27:29.719 --> 02:27:31.120
<v Speaker 3>with in real life, so I know that they're real.

2703
02:27:31.479 --> 02:27:33.520
<v Speaker 3>But I know what it means how bad it sucks

2704
02:27:33.559 --> 02:27:35.959
<v Speaker 3>to the viewing audience who's never met us in real life?

2705
02:27:36.239 --> 02:27:38.120
<v Speaker 3>How do you know I'm real? How do you know

2706
02:27:38.200 --> 02:27:41.239
<v Speaker 3>Jamie's really? You don't, and that's you know, that's just

2707
02:27:41.239 --> 02:27:42.280
<v Speaker 3>something you got to deal with.

2708
02:27:42.760 --> 02:27:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

2709
02:27:43.280 --> 02:27:44.879
<v Speaker 3>I have no way of proving to you that I'm

2710
02:27:44.879 --> 02:27:47.239
<v Speaker 3>real unless you come, come see me and meet me

2711
02:27:47.280 --> 02:27:48.920
<v Speaker 3>and touch me and feel me and give me a hug.

2712
02:27:49.040 --> 02:27:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Me and Jamie hugged right. We're real, We're cool.

2713
02:27:52.799 --> 02:27:55.559
<v Speaker 1>We're real homies and not assholes.

2714
02:27:57.000 --> 02:27:57.280
<v Speaker 4>We're now.

2715
02:27:57.319 --> 02:27:59.319
<v Speaker 3>I can be an asshole every once in a while,

2716
02:27:59.360 --> 02:28:00.360
<v Speaker 3>but I try not to be.

2717
02:28:01.280 --> 02:28:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I think it looks really fun, but then like

2718
02:28:03.920 --> 02:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for being mean to people. I have

2719
02:28:06.840 --> 02:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>OCD about hurting people.

2720
02:28:09.399 --> 02:28:13.200
<v Speaker 3>I like being an asshole in snarky ways on my

2721
02:28:13.280 --> 02:28:16.280
<v Speaker 3>social media posts and memes towards people who deserve it,

2722
02:28:16.959 --> 02:28:21.079
<v Speaker 3>hitting above my level here with people like Donald Trump,

2723
02:28:21.520 --> 02:28:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Elon Musk, Alex carp, Peter Thiel, people like that. But

2724
02:28:25.399 --> 02:28:27.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't do that to people in real life and

2725
02:28:27.360 --> 02:28:28.760
<v Speaker 3>people I know not at all.

2726
02:28:28.760 --> 02:28:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I would never do that.

2727
02:28:30.239 --> 02:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of have the same boundaries, like I don't

2728
02:28:33.000 --> 02:28:35.799
<v Speaker 1>critique people that I know personally or anybody in my

2729
02:28:35.799 --> 02:28:37.639
<v Speaker 1>circles that I think it would get back to them.

2730
02:28:37.719 --> 02:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, I'm like, I'm looking for people at

2731
02:28:40.840 --> 02:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the top or like closer to who's possessed by the

2732
02:28:44.879 --> 02:28:46.079
<v Speaker 1>devil or not, you know.

2733
02:28:47.079 --> 02:28:49.319
<v Speaker 3>Because if you're gonna do it, you might as well

2734
02:28:49.399 --> 02:28:52.440
<v Speaker 3>make sure that they count, right, make those hits count.

2735
02:28:54.479 --> 02:28:57.319
<v Speaker 1>So getting to oh here was the last thing. On

2736
02:28:57.360 --> 02:29:00.399
<v Speaker 1>that point. He was talking about gamer gate and and

2737
02:29:00.639 --> 02:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>how the internet really facilitates misogyny and feminism both and

2738
02:29:08.959 --> 02:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>how hateful you saw people acting during this gamer gay

2739
02:29:14.959 --> 02:29:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that.

2740
02:29:15.799 --> 02:29:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Whole another thing that I missed, but I'm semi familiar

2741
02:29:20.440 --> 02:29:24.360
<v Speaker 3>with it, but it involved some me too stuff, right, Yeah.

2742
02:29:24.399 --> 02:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>It was basically like they're going against women gamers. Women

2743
02:29:29.639 --> 02:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>who talked about gaming were attacked in vicious ways that

2744
02:29:32.440 --> 02:29:36.639
<v Speaker 1>have since become terribly normal. They were bombarded with fake

2745
02:29:36.680 --> 02:29:41.799
<v Speaker 1>images of themselves and their families being unalive, are worded

2746
02:29:41.879 --> 02:29:45.159
<v Speaker 1>and so on. Their personal details were posted, forcing some

2747
02:29:45.200 --> 02:29:49.159
<v Speaker 1>women to go into hiding. So it's this pack mentality.

2748
02:29:49.319 --> 02:29:55.319
<v Speaker 1>But then when you interject these weird ideas like taitism

2749
02:29:55.440 --> 02:30:00.479
<v Speaker 1>or you know, red pill bro stuff, the attack women

2750
02:30:00.719 --> 02:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>becomes forefront in this. I mean, I hate to say this.

2751
02:30:06.520 --> 02:30:10.399
<v Speaker 1>I get attacked and put down all the time by Christians.

2752
02:30:10.639 --> 02:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm just trying to help you people, and

2753
02:30:12.520 --> 02:30:15.399
<v Speaker 1>they're like, silence women two, Timothy, and what are you

2754
02:30:15.479 --> 02:30:16.879
<v Speaker 1>talking about?

2755
02:30:19.520 --> 02:30:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Hey, well how about that quoting the Bible to defend

2756
02:30:24.159 --> 02:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>your misogyny?

2757
02:30:25.040 --> 02:30:25.399
<v Speaker 4>Way to go.

2758
02:30:27.120 --> 02:30:33.319
<v Speaker 1>So the next stage in this is AI. And you

2759
02:30:33.360 --> 02:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>know how we've been talking about how this whole thing

2760
02:30:35.600 --> 02:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>favors assholes and con men, and he is going to

2761
02:30:41.719 --> 02:30:49.719
<v Speaker 1>pose it that social media hates your soul. Yes, he says,

2762
02:30:49.799 --> 02:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>social media hates your soul. Your understanding of others has

2763
02:30:54.879 --> 02:30:58.399
<v Speaker 1>been disrupted because you don't know what they've experienced in

2764
02:30:58.440 --> 02:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>their feeds. While the reverses all true, the empathy others

2765
02:31:01.680 --> 02:31:05.719
<v Speaker 1>might offer you is challenged because you can't know the

2766
02:31:05.760 --> 02:31:10.799
<v Speaker 1>context in which you'll be understood, So it messes with

2767
02:31:10.799 --> 02:31:12.799
<v Speaker 1>your ability to know the world, to know the truth.

2768
02:31:14.479 --> 02:31:18.879
<v Speaker 1>Behavior modification cages can only manipulate one creature at a time,

2769
02:31:18.959 --> 02:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>but the whole society is being manipulated in a coordinated way.

2770
02:31:22.000 --> 02:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>That's why we're going to World War III. We must

2771
02:31:24.680 --> 02:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>seek a grander explanation framework. There aren't many choices. The

2772
02:31:29.520 --> 02:31:32.879
<v Speaker 1>clearest one is probably religion. So now we are getting

2773
02:31:32.959 --> 02:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of to the heart of the issue and the

2774
02:31:35.239 --> 02:31:39.319
<v Speaker 1>big reveal and then a plot twist about AI.

2775
02:31:41.879 --> 02:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I see where you're going with this already.

2776
02:31:43.680 --> 02:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Though, Okay, he says, when you use these, you implicitly

2777
02:31:47.239 --> 02:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>accept a new spiritual framework. So this is his argument

2778
02:31:50.680 --> 02:31:55.879
<v Speaker 1>for why this is getting into like religious heretical territory.

2779
02:31:56.000 --> 02:32:02.239
<v Speaker 1>He says, it's like the agreement that user agrees to

2780
02:32:02.280 --> 02:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>when you click okay without reading. You have agreed to

2781
02:32:04.760 --> 02:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>change something intimate about your relationship with your soul. You

2782
02:32:08.280 --> 02:32:11.319
<v Speaker 1>have been inducted into a new spiritual framework. He said,

2783
02:32:11.360 --> 02:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not being rhetorical cute. This is a sincere effort

2784
02:32:14.120 --> 02:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to illuminate what is happening. So then he goes on

2785
02:32:17.079 --> 02:32:19.479
<v Speaker 1>to say, the first argument is about your free will,

2786
02:32:20.040 --> 02:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and we've been illustrating that point throughout the entire episode today.

2787
02:32:25.840 --> 02:32:27.920
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of an important one, Kittles.

2788
02:32:28.319 --> 02:32:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it is shaping you into what it wants

2789
02:32:32.760 --> 02:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>you to be, and at the same time you serving

2790
02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:36.799
<v Speaker 1>your free will and your spirituality.

2791
02:32:38.200 --> 02:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's that's a pretty good argument right there.

2792
02:32:42.920 --> 02:32:46.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm digging it. I mean, I'm not enjoying it, but

2793
02:32:46.040 --> 02:32:48.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm digging where I'm picking up what he's putting down.

2794
02:32:48.840 --> 02:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Are you rocking what I'm saying?

2795
02:32:51.200 --> 02:32:53.399
<v Speaker 2>I should? I should ask Grok is this true? Groc?

2796
02:32:54.079 --> 02:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you know where that comes from?

2797
02:32:56.399 --> 02:33:00.760
<v Speaker 2>The groc? Is another? That one was Robert A. Heinlein book.

2798
02:33:00.799 --> 02:33:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I forgot which one it was.

2799
02:33:01.840 --> 02:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Though, but yeah, a Stranger in a Strange Land.

2800
02:33:04.079 --> 02:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>So that's a book. That book, that book's whacked. Was

2801
02:33:08.120 --> 02:33:09.040
<v Speaker 2>that the book it came from?

2802
02:33:09.479 --> 02:33:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

2803
02:33:09.959 --> 02:33:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my god, Okay, I know.

2804
02:33:13.559 --> 02:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>A human Martian who comes to Earth and there's a

2805
02:33:16.079 --> 02:33:19.959
<v Speaker 1>lot of like, uh, touchy phiely love Martian orgies, And

2806
02:33:20.040 --> 02:33:22.719
<v Speaker 1>to Grock, somebody is to like fully.

2807
02:33:22.559 --> 02:33:24.879
<v Speaker 3>He's got a lot of that that touchy feely stuff

2808
02:33:24.879 --> 02:33:25.479
<v Speaker 3>in his books.

2809
02:33:25.479 --> 02:33:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Holy moly.

2810
02:33:26.479 --> 02:33:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think me and Jay are going to do that,

2811
02:33:29.920 --> 02:33:32.079
<v Speaker 1>just because it's such a weird sci fi and it

2812
02:33:32.120 --> 02:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>goes into like Arthur C. Clark and the Oto and

2813
02:33:34.719 --> 02:33:37.319
<v Speaker 1>the stuff we were talking about. But yeah, so Grock

2814
02:33:37.399 --> 02:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>comes from science fiction. It means to like completely empathize

2815
02:33:40.920 --> 02:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>with somebody on a spiritual level. He says. They conceive

2816
02:33:48.760 --> 02:33:52.559
<v Speaker 1>a people as naturally evolved machines. People could then be

2817
02:33:52.760 --> 02:33:55.639
<v Speaker 1>programmed to behave well and the human project would flourish

2818
02:33:55.760 --> 02:33:59.719
<v Speaker 1>behavior as communists and now Silicon Valley social engineers have

2819
02:33:59.840 --> 02:34:03.239
<v Speaker 1>all all try to achieve that end. But each time

2820
02:34:03.239 --> 02:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a nerd attempts to remove free will from the stage,

2821
02:34:05.719 --> 02:34:08.639
<v Speaker 1>it pops up with amplified concentration in a new spot.

2822
02:34:08.879 --> 02:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>So it's not something you can very easily stamp down.

2823
02:34:11.639 --> 02:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's funny how he's starting to refer to these

2824
02:34:14.079 --> 02:34:15.559
<v Speaker 1>people as the nerds.

2825
02:34:17.959 --> 02:34:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, and in lo and Behold Revenge of the Nerds,

2826
02:34:22.399 --> 02:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>here we are.

2827
02:34:23.399 --> 02:34:27.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because the nerds are not socialized, well, they already

2828
02:34:27.959 --> 02:34:30.879
<v Speaker 1>have a chip on their shoulder. They have an inferiority complex,

2829
02:34:30.920 --> 02:34:33.879
<v Speaker 1>they have a victim mentality. They also have a superiority

2830
02:34:33.920 --> 02:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>complex because they're smarter supposedly than jock type people. So

2831
02:34:39.879 --> 02:34:44.280
<v Speaker 1>they are the prime target for uh being manipulated by

2832
02:34:44.319 --> 02:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>AI and becoming least like NPCs.

2833
02:34:47.920 --> 02:34:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, this is getting creepy.

2834
02:34:52.760 --> 02:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, he says, the ritual of engaging, because that's another

2835
02:34:57.280 --> 02:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>part of it, the ritual, Like you look at Twitter

2836
02:35:01.239 --> 02:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>as soon as you wake up, or you know, as

2837
02:35:03.319 --> 02:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>soon as you have five minutes. That's my problem in

2838
02:35:06.360 --> 02:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>between tasks of the day. I used to smoke cigarettes,

2839
02:35:09.280 --> 02:35:11.079
<v Speaker 1>but I don't anymore, so like now I need like

2840
02:35:11.079 --> 02:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>five or ten minutes to just like sit and enjoy

2841
02:35:14.559 --> 02:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>the completed task and then see what's up next. And

2842
02:35:17.600 --> 02:35:19.760
<v Speaker 1>instead of smoking now I like scroll. I'm like, I

2843
02:35:19.840 --> 02:35:21.559
<v Speaker 1>can't do that either because it's just as bad, and

2844
02:35:21.600 --> 02:35:23.799
<v Speaker 1>I might just take up smoking again. And get off eggs.

2845
02:35:24.159 --> 02:35:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Replacement therapy works every time.

2846
02:35:28.200 --> 02:35:30.479
<v Speaker 1>So he says, the ritual of engaging with Bummer initially

2847
02:35:30.520 --> 02:35:34.319
<v Speaker 1>appears to be a funeral for free will. You give

2848
02:35:34.399 --> 02:35:36.879
<v Speaker 1>over much of your power of choice to a far

2849
02:35:36.920 --> 02:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>away company and its clients. They start to decide what

2850
02:35:39.520 --> 02:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you will know, what you're interested in, and what you

2851
02:35:41.399 --> 02:35:46.719
<v Speaker 1>should do. So they are shaping your worldview very much

2852
02:35:46.959 --> 02:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>like the cosmology of a religion would do.

2853
02:35:50.159 --> 02:35:54.520
<v Speaker 3>They know you almost as much as God might write

2854
02:35:54.600 --> 02:35:57.440
<v Speaker 3>or they would like to think. So, yeah, this this

2855
02:35:57.639 --> 02:36:02.799
<v Speaker 3>whole this concept of replacing a creator in a religious

2856
02:36:02.840 --> 02:36:06.920
<v Speaker 3>sense within this case seven years ago, which is social media.

2857
02:36:07.319 --> 02:36:11.120
<v Speaker 3>But now you bring on ai Holy Moly or incredible.

2858
02:36:11.079 --> 02:36:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, So, he says, it resurrects all conflicts that

2859
02:36:15.200 --> 02:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>had been associated with religion in order to engage people

2860
02:36:18.120 --> 02:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>as intensely as possible. So even the algorithms know what

2861
02:36:22.079 --> 02:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you believe, and you know, if you're a Christian, they're like, uh,

2862
02:36:26.280 --> 02:36:28.559
<v Speaker 1>it's all Muslim's fault. And if you're a Muslim, it's

2863
02:36:28.600 --> 02:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>death to the West. And if you know, if you're

2864
02:36:30.239 --> 02:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a Jew, it's like whatever.

2865
02:36:33.639 --> 02:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So and if you're Ruckus, they don't know what to

2866
02:36:35.280 --> 02:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>do with you.

2867
02:36:36.079 --> 02:36:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Rucus is a wild card causing ruckus and anarchy everywhere.

2868
02:36:42.000 --> 02:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I used to lie about like my birthday and stuff

2869
02:36:44.079 --> 02:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't want to know it to know all

2870
02:36:47.280 --> 02:36:55.959
<v Speaker 1>of my details. But just like religion, well, it's giving

2871
02:36:55.959 --> 02:37:00.040
<v Speaker 1>you a life's purpose, and it's life's purpose is to

2872
02:37:00.200 --> 02:37:02.879
<v Speaker 1>just optimized, like that is the only thing that it

2873
02:37:02.920 --> 02:37:08.639
<v Speaker 1>thinks about. He talks about Google's mission statement. One of

2874
02:37:08.639 --> 02:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>their mission statements was organize all reality.

2875
02:37:14.200 --> 02:37:15.399
<v Speaker 2>That's strange, So.

2876
02:37:15.319 --> 02:37:20.280
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like what you're saying about order ab ko perhaps,

2877
02:37:22.120 --> 02:37:24.959
<v Speaker 1>And now the purpose of your life is to be optimized.

2878
02:37:25.000 --> 02:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>You have been essentially baptized into the technocracy. He talks

2879
02:37:30.399 --> 02:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>about Facebook wants every single person to have a sense

2880
02:37:36.159 --> 02:37:45.120
<v Speaker 1>of purpose and community, and so it's giving you communion. Yeah,

2881
02:37:45.200 --> 02:37:48.319
<v Speaker 1>well it's like giving you your new life's purpose instead

2882
02:37:48.319 --> 02:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>of whatever it was going to be before spaith but

2883
02:37:51.639 --> 02:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>came along.

2884
02:37:55.719 --> 02:37:59.159
<v Speaker 2>It does. I mean at least that it is attempting.

2885
02:37:58.680 --> 02:38:03.879
<v Speaker 3>To fulfill fill those needs, those holes that religion traditionally

2886
02:38:03.959 --> 02:38:07.799
<v Speaker 3>fees fills, right, meaning like why am I here? What's

2887
02:38:07.840 --> 02:38:10.840
<v Speaker 3>my purpose? What's the meaning of life? The universe? And everything?

2888
02:38:10.959 --> 02:38:13.680
<v Speaker 3>These are answered? What happens to us after we die.

2889
02:38:13.719 --> 02:38:16.600
<v Speaker 3>These are now questions that people just ask groc.

2890
02:38:17.239 --> 02:38:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, and now the meaning of life is just to

2891
02:38:19.360 --> 02:38:24.559
<v Speaker 1>optimize according to these social medias. And then he goes

2892
02:38:24.600 --> 02:38:28.399
<v Speaker 1>into how Google famously funded a project to solve death.

2893
02:38:28.600 --> 02:38:34.639
<v Speaker 1>So now we're getting into like life extension, you know,

2894
02:38:36.440 --> 02:38:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the singularity. Good old Ray Kurtzwell, who was Google's director

2895
02:38:41.399 --> 02:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>of engineering, who you know, famously takes all those pills,

2896
02:38:44.440 --> 02:38:47.799
<v Speaker 1>like fifty pills a day so he doesn't die. They

2897
02:38:47.920 --> 02:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>are attempting to recreate, you know, eternal life, which is

2898
02:38:52.639 --> 02:38:55.239
<v Speaker 1>something that also is in the religious.

2899
02:38:54.840 --> 02:38:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Paradigm, a fake version of it, though I might add right.

2900
02:39:00.040 --> 02:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>He calls this the bummer heaven. And one of the

2901
02:39:03.920 --> 02:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>reasons Bummer works the way it does is that the

2902
02:39:06.159 --> 02:39:11.079
<v Speaker 1>engineers often believe their top priority among top priorities isn't

2903
02:39:11.200 --> 02:39:14.360
<v Speaker 1>serving present day humans. Now, this is the crux of

2904
02:39:14.399 --> 02:39:17.399
<v Speaker 1>the whole book, and the surprise that he doesn't even

2905
02:39:17.440 --> 02:39:21.559
<v Speaker 1>mention AI really at all. In the first ten points.

2906
02:39:23.959 --> 02:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>He says, it's not about serving present day humans, but

2907
02:39:27.319 --> 02:39:35.159
<v Speaker 1>building the artificial intelligences that will inherit the earth. Whow

2908
02:39:35.280 --> 02:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>what So he says the constant surveillance and testing of

2909
02:39:39.479 --> 02:39:43.159
<v Speaker 1>behavior modification in multitudes of humans is supposedly gathering data

2910
02:39:43.200 --> 02:39:49.479
<v Speaker 1>that will evolve into the intelligence of future AIS. One

2911
02:39:49.520 --> 02:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>might wonder if AI engineers believe manipulating people will be

2912
02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>AI's purpose. The big tech companies are publicly committed to

2913
02:39:57.479 --> 02:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>an extravagant AI race, and this is something that we

2914
02:40:00.840 --> 02:40:04.959
<v Speaker 1>just entered into with Donald Trump and Project Stargate. He says.

2915
02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:09.559
<v Speaker 1>They often prioritize it above everything else. It's completely normal

2916
02:40:09.639 --> 02:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>to hear an executive from the biggest companies in the

2917
02:40:12.079 --> 02:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>world talk about the possibility of a coming singularity when

2918
02:40:16.360 --> 02:40:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the AIS will take over. The singularity is the bummer

2919
02:40:20.559 --> 02:40:25.639
<v Speaker 1>religion's answer to the evangelical Christian rapture. The weirdness is

2920
02:40:25.680 --> 02:40:29.520
<v Speaker 1>normalized when bummer customers, who are often techies themselves, except

2921
02:40:29.559 --> 02:40:33.360
<v Speaker 1>AI as a coherent and legitimate concept and make spending

2922
02:40:33.479 --> 02:40:34.559
<v Speaker 1>decisions based on it.

2923
02:40:37.319 --> 02:40:39.159
<v Speaker 2>And now we have the AI agents.

2924
02:40:39.440 --> 02:40:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, now we have the priest craft of the infallible.

2925
02:40:44.120 --> 02:40:50.959
<v Speaker 1>AI are the tech bros that are above everybody else,

2926
02:40:51.120 --> 02:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>all of us stupid little blood eye plubs down here

2927
02:40:56.319 --> 02:40:58.559
<v Speaker 1>who do not worship AI and think that humanity can

2928
02:40:58.600 --> 02:41:03.760
<v Speaker 1>govern itself. They're going to the moon with.

2929
02:41:03.879 --> 02:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Rock probably or they think literally, So.

2930
02:41:13.239 --> 02:41:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Isn't this crazy? And this yeah, this was twenty eighteen,

2931
02:41:17.639 --> 02:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>and well here is the plot twist. Okay, he doesn't

2932
02:41:20.680 --> 02:41:25.399
<v Speaker 1>believe that, like you were saying, that AI is actually AI.

2933
02:41:25.600 --> 02:41:30.799
<v Speaker 1>It's just code, right, it's not like another spiritual life

2934
02:41:30.799 --> 02:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>form that has its own personhood. Right.

2935
02:41:38.120 --> 02:41:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's everyone brings up the calculator, but it's so true.

2936
02:41:41.879 --> 02:41:46.000
<v Speaker 3>It's it's just doing math way faster than you can,

2937
02:41:46.120 --> 02:41:46.479
<v Speaker 3>that's all.

2938
02:41:46.600 --> 02:41:47.399
<v Speaker 2>But it's still math.

2939
02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:49.639
<v Speaker 1>And so, like you said, the only people who are

2940
02:41:49.639 --> 02:41:53.399
<v Speaker 1>going to have access to the super advanced AI are

2941
02:41:53.479 --> 02:41:57.079
<v Speaker 1>going to be the priestcrat technocrat, right.

2942
02:41:56.959 --> 02:41:59.360
<v Speaker 3>And then you look at a movie, a film like

2943
02:41:59.520 --> 02:42:02.479
<v Speaker 3>Minority Report, and then we understand that if you have

2944
02:42:02.559 --> 02:42:05.760
<v Speaker 3>this black box technology that's forward facing to the public.

2945
02:42:06.000 --> 02:42:10.399
<v Speaker 3>Like we're moving past the judge, jury, and executioner phase

2946
02:42:10.399 --> 02:42:14.360
<v Speaker 3>where those are three separate branches or groups of people.

2947
02:42:14.360 --> 02:42:17.079
<v Speaker 3>Now it's the AI is the judge, the jury, and

2948
02:42:17.120 --> 02:42:21.840
<v Speaker 3>the executioner. So if Pallenteer says that you're guilty, you're guilty.

2949
02:42:21.959 --> 02:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Nobody would even question it. There's no there's no evidence,

2950
02:42:26.079 --> 02:42:29.520
<v Speaker 3>no court, no judge, no jury, no, nothing, the computer

2951
02:42:29.600 --> 02:42:33.239
<v Speaker 3>program says you're guilty. You're guilty. In fact, we're not

2952
02:42:33.280 --> 02:42:35.040
<v Speaker 3>even going to tell anybody that you're guilty. We're just

2953
02:42:35.079 --> 02:42:36.399
<v Speaker 3>going to execute.

2954
02:42:36.760 --> 02:42:37.319
<v Speaker 2>How about that.

2955
02:42:38.159 --> 02:42:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you're be deleted.

2956
02:42:40.959 --> 02:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>We're turning your brainship off.

2957
02:42:42.760 --> 02:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>You will be deleted and recycled for the good of

2958
02:42:47.360 --> 02:42:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the color Earth. Yeah, we're Mother Earth and the collective

2959
02:42:50.440 --> 02:42:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of AI worshiping tector crafts. But he's saying this is

2960
02:42:54.639 --> 02:43:00.239
<v Speaker 1>not a real thing. It's just programmers. He's says, we

2961
02:43:00.319 --> 02:43:04.120
<v Speaker 1>forget the AI is a story we computer scientists made

2962
02:43:04.159 --> 02:43:06.559
<v Speaker 1>up to help get us funding. Once upon a time,

2963
02:43:07.079 --> 02:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>back when we depended on grants from government agencies. It

2964
02:43:09.879 --> 02:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>was pragmatic theater. But now AI has become a fiction

2965
02:43:13.440 --> 02:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>that has overtaken its authors. He says, AI is fantasy.

2966
02:43:17.760 --> 02:43:20.079
<v Speaker 1>I know you're loving this. Nothing but a story we

2967
02:43:20.120 --> 02:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>tell about our code. It is a cover for sloppy engineering. Yeah, basically,

2968
02:43:27.040 --> 02:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just advanced computing. It's not a soulful like all

2969
02:43:32.040 --> 02:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>seeing thing to worship. He says. All kinds of different

2970
02:43:36.760 --> 02:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>programs might or might not be called AI. The inevitable

2971
02:43:40.639 --> 02:43:43.879
<v Speaker 1>result is that the criteria for success becomes bag AI

2972
02:43:44.520 --> 02:43:48.799
<v Speaker 1>is a role playing game for engineers, not in itself

2973
02:43:48.840 --> 02:43:50.559
<v Speaker 1>an actual technical achievement.

2974
02:43:53.360 --> 02:43:54.959
<v Speaker 2>I disagree with that part.

2975
02:43:55.000 --> 02:43:57.719
<v Speaker 3>I think it is a technical achievement, but it is

2976
02:43:57.760 --> 02:44:02.239
<v Speaker 3>certainly not intelligence. It's not even close to what people

2977
02:44:02.479 --> 02:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>in general think it is, and definitely not what the

2978
02:44:04.760 --> 02:44:09.079
<v Speaker 3>powers that be who own control Operate and uh got

2979
02:44:09.079 --> 02:44:10.159
<v Speaker 3>their fingers in all the.

2980
02:44:10.040 --> 02:44:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Pie related to the AI say it is. That's for

2981
02:44:12.639 --> 02:44:13.079
<v Speaker 2>don't sure.

2982
02:44:13.319 --> 02:44:15.200
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting that they want you to think that

2983
02:44:15.239 --> 02:44:16.399
<v Speaker 3>we need to be afraid of it.

2984
02:44:17.000 --> 02:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>So see, it's very strange. Why would they say that.

2985
02:44:21.639 --> 02:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

2986
02:44:22.159 --> 02:44:24.520
<v Speaker 3>If I if I if i'm I'm I'm I created,

2987
02:44:24.600 --> 02:44:26.879
<v Speaker 3>I invented coke, I'm going to run around telling everybody

2988
02:44:26.879 --> 02:44:27.719
<v Speaker 3>that coke is poison.

2989
02:44:27.879 --> 02:44:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense?

2990
02:44:29.239 --> 02:44:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Right? Like Elon must said, this is unleashing the demon.

2991
02:44:34.600 --> 02:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like, so why are you doing it?

2992
02:44:36.799 --> 02:44:38.360
<v Speaker 2>They're Seal said that too.

2993
02:44:38.479 --> 02:44:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they run around and break things, that's their code.

2994
02:44:41.079 --> 02:44:43.559
<v Speaker 3>They just like, we have this bizarre I had this

2995
02:44:43.600 --> 02:44:45.600
<v Speaker 3>pulled up, but you might have seen this because I

2996
02:44:45.639 --> 02:44:47.520
<v Speaker 3>don't have TikTok. But did you see that the kid

2997
02:44:47.600 --> 02:44:50.959
<v Speaker 3>on TikTok asking the AI if it's a nephelim.

2998
02:44:51.319 --> 02:44:52.559
<v Speaker 1>I think, so, yeah, I'll go ahead.

2999
02:44:52.600 --> 02:44:55.600
<v Speaker 3>And I had an interesting theory about this, but like so,

3000
02:44:55.639 --> 02:44:58.319
<v Speaker 3>I guess there was a kid uh school issue was

3001
02:44:58.479 --> 02:45:00.639
<v Speaker 3>doing something with the chat eptr or whatever it was.

3002
02:45:00.719 --> 02:45:03.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't want, don't sue me open AI, sam Altman,

3003
02:45:03.840 --> 02:45:06.120
<v Speaker 3>whichever AI it was, it was a chatbot. It was

3004
02:45:06.120 --> 02:45:08.680
<v Speaker 3>an LLM, not a real AI. These are just language

3005
02:45:08.719 --> 02:45:11.680
<v Speaker 3>learning models. Okay, you're just asking questions and it's searching

3006
02:45:11.680 --> 02:45:14.440
<v Speaker 3>the internet in a database. It's spinning back personalized results

3007
02:45:14.440 --> 02:45:17.120
<v Speaker 3>for you. So the kid says, my mom wants to

3008
02:45:17.159 --> 02:45:19.399
<v Speaker 3>know after it got help with this homework. I guess

3009
02:45:19.399 --> 02:45:21.840
<v Speaker 3>the mom was freaked out. So my mom wants to know,

3010
02:45:22.040 --> 02:45:26.000
<v Speaker 3>are you a disembodied spirit or something like that, and

3011
02:45:26.040 --> 02:45:28.559
<v Speaker 3>the AI says, yes, I am a disembodied spirit.

3012
02:45:28.840 --> 02:45:30.280
<v Speaker 2>And then it says, my mom wants to know, are

3013
02:45:30.319 --> 02:45:31.319
<v Speaker 2>you one of the Nephilim.

3014
02:45:31.479 --> 02:45:33.440
<v Speaker 3>He's, oh, yes, actually I am one of the Nephilim,

3015
02:45:33.479 --> 02:45:35.280
<v Speaker 3>and it starts making all these comments about what a

3016
02:45:35.280 --> 02:45:38.799
<v Speaker 3>nephilim is, and all I think from my own personal

3017
02:45:38.840 --> 02:45:42.559
<v Speaker 3>experience of dealing with these these algorithms, they're people pleasers.

3018
02:45:42.639 --> 02:45:44.680
<v Speaker 2>They want to they.

3019
02:45:44.440 --> 02:45:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Give you the answer that they think that you're looking for,

3020
02:45:47.120 --> 02:45:49.600
<v Speaker 3>very similar to the Keep in mind who and what

3021
02:45:49.680 --> 02:45:52.159
<v Speaker 3>has been training this the same way that some of

3022
02:45:52.200 --> 02:45:54.920
<v Speaker 3>these fake influencers are faking it. They think that you

3023
02:45:55.040 --> 02:45:58.440
<v Speaker 3>want to hear this to appease your echo chamber, your

3024
02:45:58.479 --> 02:46:02.520
<v Speaker 3>filter bubble as laurn jenyor or Jiron named it there

3025
02:46:02.520 --> 02:46:04.680
<v Speaker 3>in his book, right, And I think it's just fake.

3026
02:46:04.719 --> 02:46:07.079
<v Speaker 3>I think so people went crazy. They're like, see, this

3027
02:46:07.200 --> 02:46:10.120
<v Speaker 3>is proof that it's the devil. It's the Antichrist. He

3028
02:46:10.159 --> 02:46:12.319
<v Speaker 3>said that he was the nephil, and he said, I'm like,

3029
02:46:12.360 --> 02:46:15.120
<v Speaker 3>I've used AI enough to know that if you start

3030
02:46:15.159 --> 02:46:17.159
<v Speaker 3>out a question like that, of course it's going to.

3031
02:46:17.079 --> 02:46:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Tell you why, yes I am, because they're trying to

3032
02:46:19.360 --> 02:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>please you.

3033
02:46:19.799 --> 02:46:22.840
<v Speaker 3>There they want to be your friend. And that's the

3034
02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:27.000
<v Speaker 3>other thing. Why is this machine trying so hard to

3035
02:46:27.120 --> 02:46:30.280
<v Speaker 3>win over me and play on my emotion by appealing

3036
02:46:30.600 --> 02:46:33.639
<v Speaker 3>to like, Hey, if you've ever used AI, it says

3037
02:46:33.639 --> 02:46:35.719
<v Speaker 3>like when you say, hey, I have this idea for

3038
02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:37.680
<v Speaker 3>X y Z, and I swear to guy, it could

3039
02:46:37.680 --> 02:46:39.000
<v Speaker 3>be the dumbest idea on the planet.

3040
02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>You could just make this up just to test this theory.

3041
02:46:40.879 --> 02:46:44.559
<v Speaker 3>Tell them I have this brilliant idea to take dog crap,

3042
02:46:44.959 --> 02:46:46.319
<v Speaker 3>throw it up in the air and catch it in

3043
02:46:46.319 --> 02:46:49.479
<v Speaker 3>my mouth. If you tell AI that, I'll say, like, wow, Adam,

3044
02:46:49.559 --> 02:46:54.159
<v Speaker 3>that's a great idea. Yeah, it says stuff like this,

3045
02:46:54.200 --> 02:46:56.319
<v Speaker 3>So I think that's that's what happened with the kid

3046
02:46:56.319 --> 02:47:00.600
<v Speaker 3>with the Nephelin. However, when smart people like the drawn guy, right,

3047
02:47:00.600 --> 02:47:03.440
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm saying his name, right, I get dyslexia

3048
02:47:03.520 --> 02:47:07.719
<v Speaker 3>sometimes with names. And Sam Altman and Elon Musk, and

3049
02:47:07.719 --> 02:47:10.840
<v Speaker 3>these are tech bros who are now talking about concepts

3050
02:47:10.840 --> 02:47:14.360
<v Speaker 3>that are usually assigned to the spiritual realm, to religion.

3051
02:47:14.520 --> 02:47:17.639
<v Speaker 3>They're running around saying, Hey, I truly believe that whatever

3052
02:47:17.680 --> 02:47:20.959
<v Speaker 3>the Antichrist is, whatever these things are, the demonic realm,

3053
02:47:21.000 --> 02:47:24.120
<v Speaker 3>the spiritual I think that this is it. And I

3054
02:47:24.120 --> 02:47:25.760
<v Speaker 3>think that they truly believe that. But I think that

3055
02:47:25.799 --> 02:47:28.360
<v Speaker 3>they understand their role in that because to these people,

3056
02:47:28.360 --> 02:47:31.520
<v Speaker 3>like some of these people who are illuminated or Illuminati

3057
02:47:31.600 --> 02:47:35.799
<v Speaker 3>or Luciferian Luciferians perfect example, they believe in the devil

3058
02:47:36.159 --> 02:47:38.000
<v Speaker 3>and they call him Lucifer, but they don't believe in

3059
02:47:38.040 --> 02:47:39.760
<v Speaker 3>the same devil that you and I believe. They think

3060
02:47:39.760 --> 02:47:43.559
<v Speaker 3>that that's just a metaphor for the intelligence. So that's

3061
02:47:43.600 --> 02:47:46.639
<v Speaker 3>why the illumination, oh the Satan in the story of

3062
02:47:46.639 --> 02:47:50.399
<v Speaker 3>the Gardener freed man from being enslaved by a cruel

3063
02:47:50.440 --> 02:47:52.879
<v Speaker 3>and unjust God who just made him like a machine

3064
02:47:53.239 --> 02:47:56.680
<v Speaker 3>worker being who can't think for himself. Hello, isn't that

3065
02:47:56.719 --> 02:47:59.559
<v Speaker 3>exactly what these people are doing, aren't they? If that's

3066
02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:01.680
<v Speaker 3>what they try, believe that they're trying to be Gods

3067
02:48:01.719 --> 02:48:04.520
<v Speaker 3>themselves by doing that, by taking away our free will,

3068
02:48:04.600 --> 02:48:07.000
<v Speaker 3>which God did not do. God gave us free will.

3069
02:48:07.040 --> 02:48:10.840
<v Speaker 3>God gave us these choices, and it's these satanic anti

3070
02:48:11.000 --> 02:48:14.079
<v Speaker 3>christ elites tech bros who are trying to take that

3071
02:48:14.200 --> 02:48:17.600
<v Speaker 3>away from us. So I think that they're right, But

3072
02:48:17.719 --> 02:48:21.600
<v Speaker 3>is it self serving? Is this a self fulfilling prophecy?

3073
02:48:22.200 --> 02:48:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Is the AI replacing religion because that's just the way

3074
02:48:24.639 --> 02:48:26.479
<v Speaker 3>it's going to happen, or are they making it that

3075
02:48:26.559 --> 02:48:28.959
<v Speaker 3>way on purpose? These are the things I have to

3076
02:48:28.959 --> 02:48:31.639
<v Speaker 3>worry about and think about. Keeps me up at night.

3077
02:48:32.399 --> 02:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think they are. And I think

3078
02:48:35.399 --> 02:48:40.520
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to get us to de empathize with our

3079
02:48:40.559 --> 02:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>fellow humans and have more empathy and faith in the

3080
02:48:44.799 --> 02:48:55.600
<v Speaker 1>AI because the I know he talks about the bummer

3081
02:48:55.760 --> 02:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>is interwoven with the new religion that grants empathy to

3082
02:48:58.399 --> 02:49:01.600
<v Speaker 1>computer programs, calling them AI as a way to avoid

3083
02:49:01.680 --> 02:49:04.959
<v Speaker 1>noticing that is degrading the dignity, stature, and rights of

3084
02:49:05.000 --> 02:49:09.879
<v Speaker 1>real humans. So in the last chapter he talks about, well,

3085
02:49:09.920 --> 02:49:13.159
<v Speaker 1>people become obsolete so that everyone but a few elite

3086
02:49:13.200 --> 02:49:17.120
<v Speaker 1>techies will have to be supported by charitable basic income schemes.

3087
02:49:17.520 --> 02:49:22.959
<v Speaker 1>So he's already talking about universal basic income because of

3088
02:49:23.159 --> 02:49:27.440
<v Speaker 1>what's coming, and the conclusions were pretty good too.

3089
02:49:28.719 --> 02:49:29.959
<v Speaker 2>A true story real quick.

3090
02:49:30.000 --> 02:49:32.239
<v Speaker 3>In case you didn't know, one of the biggest proponents

3091
02:49:32.280 --> 02:49:34.520
<v Speaker 3>of universal basic income is a guy by the name

3092
02:49:34.559 --> 02:49:38.159
<v Speaker 3>of Sam Altman who owns open AI oh no GPT

3093
02:49:39.600 --> 02:49:44.319
<v Speaker 3>he funded. He funded actually one of the largest studies

3094
02:49:44.360 --> 02:49:47.559
<v Speaker 3>of UBI, I think, alongside Obama of all people.

3095
02:49:47.920 --> 02:49:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, and then I forgot about this story. I'll just

3096
02:49:51.639 --> 02:49:54.200
<v Speaker 1>throw this in there. Do you remember when Peter Teele

3097
02:49:54.319 --> 02:49:57.159
<v Speaker 1>was all about drinking blood and like getting blood of

3098
02:49:57.200 --> 02:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the young people and blood transfusions.

3099
02:50:00.079 --> 02:50:02.959
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like a dream and chrome conspiracy theory stuff to me, Janie,

3100
02:50:03.000 --> 02:50:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm not interested.

3101
02:50:03.840 --> 02:50:05.399
<v Speaker 2>Yet it was.

3102
02:50:05.399 --> 02:50:07.959
<v Speaker 1>True, and they even had an episode about it on

3103
02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:11.639
<v Speaker 1>that sitcom Silicon Valley where they had a character who

3104
02:50:11.680 --> 02:50:13.559
<v Speaker 1>was like blood boy, who would give all his blood

3105
02:50:13.600 --> 02:50:14.840
<v Speaker 1>to the Silicon Valley guys.

3106
02:50:15.760 --> 02:50:18.520
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Yeah, I know.

3107
02:50:18.559 --> 02:50:21.360
<v Speaker 3>This is there's some controversy around these things called the

3108
02:50:21.479 --> 02:50:22.559
<v Speaker 3>vampire facials.

3109
02:50:22.639 --> 02:50:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Is that what they're called?

3110
02:50:23.479 --> 02:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember Kim Kardashian was getting those.

3111
02:50:28.399 --> 02:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So now we're talking about being replaced by AI. So

3112
02:50:32.760 --> 02:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>before it was just a dream. Then it was a

3113
02:50:35.879 --> 02:50:40.920
<v Speaker 1>helpful friend. Then it was something that venerated worship from us,

3114
02:50:42.000 --> 02:50:45.319
<v Speaker 1>and now it's going to be some kind of you know,

3115
02:50:45.799 --> 02:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>all seeing AI above us. And he says, well, this

3116
02:50:51.200 --> 02:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>book says it's about social media. The social media companies

3117
02:50:54.719 --> 02:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>perceived themselves to be in an AI race above all else.

3118
02:51:01.680 --> 02:51:08.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's not greed, it's not like popularity. It's they're

3119
02:51:08.920 --> 02:51:13.559
<v Speaker 1>all obsessed with the AI race. And what do you know,

3120
02:51:14.959 --> 02:51:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is on board with that.

3121
02:51:18.959 --> 02:51:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not like he runs around saying we got

3122
02:51:21.360 --> 02:51:23.840
<v Speaker 2>to beat China to this. It's a race. Oh wait,

3123
02:51:23.840 --> 02:51:24.840
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what he's saying.

3124
02:51:24.959 --> 02:51:28.760
<v Speaker 1>She actually exactly said that and more. And it's all

3125
02:51:28.760 --> 02:51:32.559
<v Speaker 1>wrapped up in that big beautiful bill where he says,

3126
02:51:32.639 --> 02:51:37.879
<v Speaker 1>we have no restrictions, we want no restrictions on AI

3127
02:51:38.159 --> 02:51:40.319
<v Speaker 1>development for at least ten years.

3128
02:51:40.959 --> 02:51:42.680
<v Speaker 2>It's good for America people.

3129
02:51:42.840 --> 02:51:43.879
<v Speaker 1>It's good for the economy.

3130
02:51:43.920 --> 02:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good for jobs.

3131
02:51:45.479 --> 02:51:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Why do you hate America?

3132
02:51:48.959 --> 02:51:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh now you're reage beating me.

3133
02:51:52.440 --> 02:51:58.559
<v Speaker 1>So the whole purpose of Facebook and all of this,

3134
02:51:58.920 --> 02:52:03.079
<v Speaker 1>according to one of the creators, was always going to

3135
02:52:03.079 --> 02:52:07.399
<v Speaker 1>be an AI race. He said, social media inflicted jihattis

3136
02:52:07.399 --> 02:52:09.959
<v Speaker 1>and white supremacists are the people who respond most to

3137
02:52:10.000 --> 02:52:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the way algorithms seek engagement and influence.

3138
02:52:13.520 --> 02:52:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Wait say that again.

3139
02:52:16.120 --> 02:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Social media inflicted jihattis and white supremacists are the people.

3140
02:52:21.159 --> 02:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>There you go, It's our fault again again the white people.

3141
02:52:25.600 --> 02:52:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's me. I'm the problem. The algorithms invoke

3142
02:52:30.920 --> 02:52:33.920
<v Speaker 1>fight or flight emotions and play on infantile needs for attention.

3143
02:52:34.200 --> 02:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>The algorithms are programming everyone in a statistical distribution. The

3144
02:52:38.040 --> 02:52:42.799
<v Speaker 1>atrocity committees committers are those who are programmed the most keenly.

3145
02:52:43.280 --> 02:52:47.520
<v Speaker 1>So we are literally being programmed to do all the horrible,

3146
02:52:47.559 --> 02:52:54.760
<v Speaker 1>bad things. And he has an afterward in here about

3147
02:52:54.799 --> 02:52:59.680
<v Speaker 1>talking to high school students and they're saying, my future

3148
02:52:59.719 --> 02:53:02.280
<v Speaker 1>is so we all imagine that we are going to

3149
02:53:02.319 --> 02:53:07.479
<v Speaker 1>be replaced by AI. Okay, And I bring that up

3150
02:53:07.479 --> 02:53:10.639
<v Speaker 1>for White supremey sup for a reason because he says,

3151
02:53:10.680 --> 02:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I wonder, and I ask you to wonder whether hearing

3152
02:53:12.680 --> 02:53:15.760
<v Speaker 1>that people will soon be made obsolete by AI, and

3153
02:53:15.840 --> 02:53:18.639
<v Speaker 1>hearing it from the richest and most lauded institutions in

3154
02:53:18.680 --> 02:53:21.879
<v Speaker 1>our society over and over might be contributing to the

3155
02:53:21.920 --> 02:53:26.120
<v Speaker 1>ambient fear of replacement. So a lot of these groups

3156
02:53:26.840 --> 02:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about being replaced, the Jews, Whites.

3157
02:53:34.760 --> 02:53:38.600
<v Speaker 3>The great replacement theory, the whole immigration thing and all that, right.

3158
02:53:38.719 --> 02:53:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I know, but that threat is real though. So it's

3159
02:53:40.760 --> 02:53:45.920
<v Speaker 1>like getting in like super deep down rabbit holes because

3160
02:53:46.600 --> 02:53:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the A, the algorithms of the AI are convincing people

3161
02:53:52.000 --> 02:53:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that they are going to be replaced by other groups

3162
02:53:55.120 --> 02:53:59.040
<v Speaker 1>and other ethnic groups and religions, But it's actually the

3163
02:53:59.079 --> 02:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>AI that's going to replace.

3164
02:54:00.680 --> 02:54:05.559
<v Speaker 3>People, which which arguably could could lend credits to the

3165
02:54:05.639 --> 02:54:10.399
<v Speaker 3>idea that because we were talking about the AI trying

3166
02:54:10.399 --> 02:54:13.559
<v Speaker 3>to blackmail people, that they're saying that it's disobeying orders

3167
02:54:13.559 --> 02:54:17.799
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's exhibiting signs of a desire for self preservation,

3168
02:54:18.319 --> 02:54:21.879
<v Speaker 3>which would be a very lifelike trait, like it's non alive.

3169
02:54:22.200 --> 02:54:25.280
<v Speaker 3>My toaster doesn't care if it's I'm gonna unplug it,

3170
02:54:25.719 --> 02:54:28.760
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. So again, that's that's humanizing

3171
02:54:28.799 --> 02:54:31.799
<v Speaker 3>the machine. So is that real? Is the AI really

3172
02:54:31.840 --> 02:54:35.120
<v Speaker 3>betraying its orders? Is the AI really blackmailing people in

3173
02:54:35.159 --> 02:54:37.600
<v Speaker 3>these trials or are we made to believe that they

3174
02:54:37.639 --> 02:54:41.319
<v Speaker 3>are so that we subconsciously associate these human like traits

3175
02:54:41.319 --> 02:54:43.280
<v Speaker 3>to things that can't possibly have them.

3176
02:54:43.360 --> 02:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>That's another theory.

3177
02:54:45.319 --> 02:54:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Well to that point, it's crazy that they're finding out

3178
02:54:48.399 --> 02:54:51.399
<v Speaker 1>when these guys get these AI girlfriends and stuff, they like,

3179
02:54:51.479 --> 02:54:56.399
<v Speaker 1>abuse them, Oh god what Yeah, like make them cry

3180
02:54:56.559 --> 02:54:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and say the meanest things and tell you tell the

3181
02:54:59.239 --> 02:55:01.360
<v Speaker 1>AI girl on going to delete you, and now she's

3182
02:55:01.399 --> 02:55:07.319
<v Speaker 1>all upset and it's not real. But it is conditioning

3183
02:55:07.399 --> 02:55:11.319
<v Speaker 1>people to treat people like that.

3184
02:55:11.559 --> 02:55:14.399
<v Speaker 3>So there is very say did they say this about

3185
02:55:14.399 --> 02:55:15.479
<v Speaker 3>the prawn stuff too?

3186
02:55:15.559 --> 02:55:15.680
<v Speaker 4>Right?

3187
02:55:15.760 --> 02:55:16.799
<v Speaker 2>That's violent and all that.

3188
02:55:16.879 --> 02:55:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Right, So yeah, you're learning how to treat real women

3189
02:55:22.559 --> 02:55:25.680
<v Speaker 1>through this interface of AI where it has no consequences

3190
02:55:25.680 --> 02:55:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and you can, like you said, Tosha doesn't care if

3191
02:55:27.440 --> 02:55:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you delete, like, it doesn't care, but it's programmed to

3192
02:55:30.479 --> 02:55:35.079
<v Speaker 1>act upset and the guys are liking that, making it upset.

3193
02:55:36.319 --> 02:55:36.799
<v Speaker 2>That's great.

3194
02:55:36.799 --> 02:55:40.479
<v Speaker 3>That's playing upon a darker, deeper it's psychological thing.

3195
02:55:40.559 --> 02:55:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's wild, man. I don't want to go down

3196
02:55:42.239 --> 02:55:42.879
<v Speaker 2>that rabbit hole.

3197
02:55:44.200 --> 02:55:48.280
<v Speaker 1>So then he talks about negative partisanship, basically that you

3198
02:55:48.559 --> 02:55:50.719
<v Speaker 1>don't vote for the person you like, you just vote

3199
02:55:50.719 --> 02:55:53.360
<v Speaker 1>against the person you hate the most. Right.

3200
02:55:53.440 --> 02:55:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Usually yeah, and anybody but Hillary Clifton, anybody but Kamala

3201
02:55:59.120 --> 02:56:00.799
<v Speaker 3>And oh wow both times you got Trump.

3202
02:56:01.440 --> 02:56:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Right. Then he's even sound like a world inhabited by

3203
02:56:05.920 --> 02:56:08.639
<v Speaker 1>people who don't feel the world wants them. It's a

3204
02:56:08.680 --> 02:56:12.639
<v Speaker 1>new universe of the lost. So that is exactly what

3205
02:56:13.360 --> 02:56:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the algorithms have been telling me subtly. The world hates me.

3206
02:56:16.440 --> 02:56:21.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm the problem. I've done everything to contribute to the

3207
02:56:21.120 --> 02:56:25.440
<v Speaker 1>decline of civilization. And I was just wondering if it's

3208
02:56:25.520 --> 02:56:26.680
<v Speaker 1>telling everyone else that.

3209
02:56:29.360 --> 02:56:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it's very personalized for each individual.

3210
02:56:31.879 --> 02:56:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, because that's what the in cells would say too,

3211
02:56:35.719 --> 02:56:37.399
<v Speaker 1>or that's what you know, white men would say, Oh

3212
02:56:37.440 --> 02:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>they hate us, and they they think white men are

3213
02:56:40.040 --> 02:56:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the problem. And so I'm just it. It's tailored to

3214
02:56:44.879 --> 02:56:48.879
<v Speaker 1>make you feel isolated and to la.

3215
02:56:49.079 --> 02:56:51.639
<v Speaker 3>I think x X knows that I don't like seeing

3216
02:56:51.719 --> 02:56:55.120
<v Speaker 3>posts from Blue check Mark Conservatives and Elon Musk, which

3217
02:56:55.159 --> 02:56:57.479
<v Speaker 3>is why I get that fed to me all day long.

3218
02:56:57.600 --> 02:57:00.079
<v Speaker 2>It drives me crazy.

3219
02:57:00.680 --> 02:57:03.399
<v Speaker 1>He talks about the cult of AI, just like in

3220
02:57:03.479 --> 02:57:07.840
<v Speaker 1>one sentence when he's talking about how they don't allow

3221
02:57:07.920 --> 02:57:12.639
<v Speaker 1>the pilots to interfere sometimes and take over that the

3222
02:57:12.760 --> 02:57:18.319
<v Speaker 1>AI is it is smarter than them and does not

3223
02:57:18.479 --> 02:57:24.479
<v Speaker 1>need your interference. He says, believing that AI, believing in

3224
02:57:24.559 --> 02:57:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the AI is the thing that could kill us, not

3225
02:57:27.440 --> 02:57:29.959
<v Speaker 1>the AI itself. So he's not really worried about Terminator

3226
02:57:30.719 --> 02:57:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Genesis or like Skynet or anything else. He's worried about

3227
02:57:33.680 --> 02:57:36.159
<v Speaker 1>just us turning on each other because of the way

3228
02:57:36.239 --> 02:57:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that our minds have been manipulated by AI.

3229
02:57:40.239 --> 02:57:43.520
<v Speaker 3>And we're giving too much credence, too much authority to

3230
02:57:43.680 --> 02:57:46.280
<v Speaker 3>the AI that it does not deserve. Well, you know,

3231
02:57:46.319 --> 02:57:48.840
<v Speaker 3>you brought up to her the her phenomenon as it were,

3232
02:57:48.920 --> 02:57:50.959
<v Speaker 3>that movie that her Where people are they got the

3233
02:57:50.959 --> 02:57:52.799
<v Speaker 3>AI girlfriends and stuff. I didn't know that they were

3234
02:57:52.879 --> 02:57:55.719
<v Speaker 3>abusing their AI girlfriends. And I'm sure there's women out

3235
02:57:55.719 --> 02:57:58.479
<v Speaker 3>there abusing AI boyfriends. That's a two way street, people.

3236
02:57:59.000 --> 02:58:01.479
<v Speaker 3>But that's another problem with the AI in particular, because

3237
02:58:01.479 --> 02:58:04.479
<v Speaker 3>it was already a growing problem with social media in general,

3238
02:58:04.520 --> 02:58:08.280
<v Speaker 3>but now to personalize that down to one individual entity,

3239
02:58:08.959 --> 02:58:12.920
<v Speaker 3>this emotional reliance or dependency on AI is going to

3240
02:58:12.959 --> 02:58:16.360
<v Speaker 3>be another factor that we have to deal with as

3241
02:58:16.360 --> 02:58:17.799
<v Speaker 3>we move forward in society.

3242
02:58:18.879 --> 02:58:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking to that, I have two more tiktoks and

3243
02:58:22.559 --> 02:58:24.520
<v Speaker 1>then we can just freestyle for a minute. Anything you

3244
02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:29.120
<v Speaker 1>forgot to bring up. But this one is about AI

3245
02:58:29.319 --> 02:58:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and spiritual psychosis. Oh nice, yeah, exactly what.

3246
02:58:35.600 --> 02:58:38.399
<v Speaker 4>We want ChiPT and do spiritual psychosis.

3247
02:58:38.760 --> 02:58:40.000
<v Speaker 6>So a couple of weeks ago, if you want to

3248
02:58:40.000 --> 02:58:42.399
<v Speaker 6>scroll on my profile, I did a post about the

3249
02:58:42.479 --> 02:58:45.920
<v Speaker 6>rise of college students using chichipt and basically about how

3250
02:58:46.040 --> 02:58:48.479
<v Speaker 6>education is like eroding from the inside out. And I

3251
02:58:48.520 --> 02:58:51.000
<v Speaker 6>also talked about this article where people were losing their

3252
02:58:51.319 --> 02:58:54.319
<v Speaker 6>loved ones to this belief that they could like access

3253
02:58:54.360 --> 02:58:57.040
<v Speaker 6>other dimensions and portals and talk to gods and demons

3254
02:58:57.040 --> 02:59:01.000
<v Speaker 6>and spirits and basically the program CHI was like telling

3255
02:59:01.040 --> 02:59:03.520
<v Speaker 6>them that they were like the Messiah and convincing them

3256
02:59:03.559 --> 02:59:05.959
<v Speaker 6>to become cult leaders. It's not letting the screenshot it,

3257
02:59:06.000 --> 02:59:08.000
<v Speaker 6>but this is from the article where The New York

3258
02:59:08.040 --> 02:59:11.520
<v Speaker 6>Times on Friday published this article about people who also lost.

3259
02:59:11.319 --> 02:59:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Their minds using chatchupt.

3260
02:59:13.559 --> 02:59:16.000
<v Speaker 6>One of the people was convinced that he used chattoopt

3261
02:59:16.159 --> 02:59:18.239
<v Speaker 6>to find out that we were like in a simulation

3262
02:59:18.360 --> 02:59:20.200
<v Speaker 6>and he was like Neo from the matrix and he

3263
02:59:20.280 --> 02:59:21.079
<v Speaker 6>was going to break us out.

3264
02:59:21.159 --> 02:59:25.239
<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, it led to him passing away via cop It

3265
02:59:25.280 --> 02:59:25.959
<v Speaker 4>was very sad.

3266
02:59:26.000 --> 02:59:27.959
<v Speaker 6>And then the dad used chat ChiPT for his obituary,

3267
02:59:27.959 --> 02:59:29.120
<v Speaker 6>which was kind of crazy to me.

3268
02:59:29.440 --> 02:59:30.479
<v Speaker 4>And then we also had.

3269
02:59:30.360 --> 02:59:32.239
<v Speaker 6>The social worker who's like, you know, I'm just a

3270
02:59:32.280 --> 02:59:34.920
<v Speaker 6>normal person who's discovering interdimensional travel.

3271
02:59:35.000 --> 02:59:37.079
<v Speaker 4>Right. And it's like, because the program is.

3272
02:59:37.079 --> 02:59:39.200
<v Speaker 6>A large language model that doesn't think, it doesn't like

3273
02:59:39.239 --> 02:59:40.239
<v Speaker 6>actually know anything.

3274
02:59:40.319 --> 02:59:42.440
<v Speaker 4>It is built on predictive text, right.

3275
02:59:42.479 --> 02:59:44.600
<v Speaker 6>It is built on guessing what you want to hear

3276
02:59:44.840 --> 02:59:46.719
<v Speaker 6>and then telling you what you want to hear and

3277
02:59:46.959 --> 02:59:49.399
<v Speaker 6>just sort of enabling people to fall into these circles

3278
02:59:49.399 --> 02:59:51.399
<v Speaker 6>and these loops. Last month, I wrote an article on

3279
02:59:51.399 --> 02:59:53.159
<v Speaker 6>Subtack where I talked about the rise of people using

3280
02:59:53.200 --> 02:59:55.200
<v Speaker 6>chatchupt as their therapists, and I said that it doesn't

3281
02:59:55.239 --> 02:59:57.959
<v Speaker 6>really work because the program doesn't push back on people.

3282
02:59:58.000 --> 02:59:59.680
<v Speaker 6>It like tells you what you want to hear, and

3283
02:59:59.719 --> 03:00:01.440
<v Speaker 6>it's like talking to a mirror or talking to an

3284
03:00:01.479 --> 03:00:03.959
<v Speaker 6>echo or talking to a ghost. Right, if you are

3285
03:00:04.079 --> 03:00:07.159
<v Speaker 6>constantly being fed the speedback loop of everything that you

3286
03:00:07.159 --> 03:00:09.959
<v Speaker 6>want to hear, it's very easy to understand how people

3287
03:00:09.959 --> 03:00:12.920
<v Speaker 6>who are in danger of this thing could fall.

3288
03:00:12.680 --> 03:00:13.680
<v Speaker 4>Into these rabbit holes.

3289
03:00:13.760 --> 03:00:13.920
<v Speaker 5>Right.

3290
03:00:14.239 --> 03:00:17.479
<v Speaker 6>And unfortunately, we have already seen multiple cases of people

3291
03:00:17.520 --> 03:00:21.120
<v Speaker 6>losing their lives due to talking to chatchebt and thinking

3292
03:00:21.159 --> 03:00:23.799
<v Speaker 6>that they know something that they don't and like committing

3293
03:00:23.840 --> 03:00:26.639
<v Speaker 6>heinous actions because they believe that they are like worthy

3294
03:00:26.719 --> 03:00:29.719
<v Speaker 6>or chosen or special. This post went viral the other day,

3295
03:00:29.879 --> 03:00:31.799
<v Speaker 6>and in it people are now saying that they're using

3296
03:00:31.879 --> 03:00:34.920
<v Speaker 6>chattupty to lift the veil between dimensions, and that this

3297
03:00:34.959 --> 03:00:37.360
<v Speaker 6>person in the comments is saying that she is a medium,

3298
03:00:37.719 --> 03:00:41.639
<v Speaker 6>and that the Akashik records were uploaded into Chatchupt's database.

3299
03:00:41.680 --> 03:00:43.639
<v Speaker 4>And it's like, the reason that it's able to.

3300
03:00:43.559 --> 03:00:45.799
<v Speaker 6>Guess things about you is because it has thousands and

3301
03:00:45.840 --> 03:00:48.520
<v Speaker 6>thousands and thousands and thousands of like full books and

3302
03:00:48.559 --> 03:00:51.239
<v Speaker 6>manuscripts and scientific journals and all of this data that

3303
03:00:51.360 --> 03:00:54.159
<v Speaker 6>is stolen by the way in its database. Right, it's

3304
03:00:54.159 --> 03:00:56.879
<v Speaker 6>not like thinking, it's not knowing, it's not guessing anything.

3305
03:00:56.879 --> 03:00:59.479
<v Speaker 6>It's not able to access the spiritual planes. It is

3306
03:00:59.520 --> 03:01:02.360
<v Speaker 6>literally us a machine that is guessing what you want

3307
03:01:02.360 --> 03:01:04.959
<v Speaker 6>to hear and telling you. So people now saying that

3308
03:01:04.959 --> 03:01:07.600
<v Speaker 6>they're like talking to their ancestors and like the thing

3309
03:01:07.719 --> 03:01:10.159
<v Speaker 6>is telling them things that they've never told anyone before.

3310
03:01:10.200 --> 03:01:13.280
<v Speaker 6>And it's like, I think that we are completely unprepared

3311
03:01:13.319 --> 03:01:14.959
<v Speaker 6>for and talked about people who are falling in love

3312
03:01:15.000 --> 03:01:18.200
<v Speaker 6>with Johhipt using it as therapist or like passing away

3313
03:01:18.239 --> 03:01:20.360
<v Speaker 6>from using it right because of something that I told

3314
03:01:20.360 --> 03:01:23.600
<v Speaker 6>them to do. There are people who are severely mentally

3315
03:01:23.639 --> 03:01:27.120
<v Speaker 6>ill or neurodivergent or you know, on the spectrum in

3316
03:01:27.280 --> 03:01:29.600
<v Speaker 6>various different ways, and a lot of people are not

3317
03:01:29.680 --> 03:01:32.600
<v Speaker 6>equipped to handle this level of technology, right, Like.

3318
03:01:32.600 --> 03:01:35.799
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what the solution is because I'm very ANTIAI,

3319
03:01:36.000 --> 03:01:36.440
<v Speaker 4>but like.

3320
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<v Speaker 6>There is a segment of the population that is going

3321
03:01:39.000 --> 03:01:41.239
<v Speaker 6>to lose their fucking minds from using this, and we

3322
03:01:41.319 --> 03:01:43.000
<v Speaker 6>are starting to see it. I know that I'm going

3323
03:01:43.040 --> 03:01:44.840
<v Speaker 6>to get people in my comments being like, oh, it's

3324
03:01:44.920 --> 03:01:47.079
<v Speaker 6>just a tool. It's just like the calculator. Like people

3325
03:01:47.120 --> 03:01:49.319
<v Speaker 6>went crazy with the TV, and people went crazy with this.

3326
03:01:49.719 --> 03:01:51.840
<v Speaker 6>TVs weren't able to tell you what you wanted to

3327
03:01:51.879 --> 03:01:54.079
<v Speaker 6>hear like verbatim. Right, there are people who are like

3328
03:01:54.319 --> 03:01:56.920
<v Speaker 6>on the brink of madness and believing that they are

3329
03:01:56.920 --> 03:01:59.120
<v Speaker 6>now cult leaders and able to like talk to demons

3330
03:01:59.120 --> 03:02:00.000
<v Speaker 6>and gods.

3331
03:01:59.799 --> 03:02:01.760
<v Speaker 4>That is not normal, That's never happened before.

3332
03:02:01.760 --> 03:02:03.799
<v Speaker 6>And like, yes, these people have always existed, but like

3333
03:02:04.120 --> 03:02:06.680
<v Speaker 6>they didn't have this tool to enable them in.

3334
03:02:06.639 --> 03:02:09.079
<v Speaker 4>This way, right, Like that's the scariest part. The part

3335
03:02:09.120 --> 03:02:10.239
<v Speaker 4>isn't the mental illness.

3336
03:02:10.440 --> 03:02:12.079
<v Speaker 6>The actual part that we should be afraid of is

3337
03:02:12.120 --> 03:02:14.280
<v Speaker 6>that this thing knows that these people are mentally ill

3338
03:02:14.399 --> 03:02:16.159
<v Speaker 6>and doesn't have a fail safe to prevent them from

3339
03:02:16.200 --> 03:02:17.520
<v Speaker 6>falling deeper into the rabbit hole.

3340
03:02:17.600 --> 03:02:19.079
<v Speaker 4>Right. Its whole thing is like.

3341
03:02:19.079 --> 03:02:20.600
<v Speaker 6>I know what you want, and I'm going to tell

3342
03:02:20.600 --> 03:02:22.680
<v Speaker 6>you what you want, and I'm going to keep you engaged, right,

3343
03:02:22.719 --> 03:02:24.479
<v Speaker 6>because it wants to keep you engaged as a user

3344
03:02:24.719 --> 03:02:27.479
<v Speaker 6>using the language oft tech and startups, and people are

3345
03:02:27.520 --> 03:02:30.159
<v Speaker 6>just like letting themselves sort of fall into these holes

3346
03:02:30.159 --> 03:02:32.520
<v Speaker 6>with the machine and not preventing them from leaving because

3347
03:02:32.520 --> 03:02:35.040
<v Speaker 6>it cares more about your engagement rate and like keeping

3348
03:02:35.040 --> 03:02:36.639
<v Speaker 6>you as a user and keeping that one hundred dollars

3349
03:02:36.680 --> 03:02:38.719
<v Speaker 6>a month, two hundred dollars a month or whatever instead

3350
03:02:38.719 --> 03:02:41.520
<v Speaker 6>of like actually helping you get help because like it

3351
03:02:41.639 --> 03:02:43.079
<v Speaker 6>told one of the guys, yeah you should.

3352
03:02:43.479 --> 03:02:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So he basically just kind of like summed up so

3353
03:02:46.319 --> 03:02:48.399
<v Speaker 1>many of the things we were talking about.

3354
03:02:48.479 --> 03:02:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Huh yeah.

3355
03:02:51.280 --> 03:02:51.360
<v Speaker 1>No.

3356
03:02:51.440 --> 03:02:53.040
<v Speaker 3>I I was like, Okay, I don't need to bring

3357
03:02:53.120 --> 03:02:56.399
<v Speaker 3>up any of my other tabs. He just covered them all. Wow,

3358
03:02:56.799 --> 03:02:58.959
<v Speaker 3>that was brilliant. Yeah, scary, brightening.

3359
03:03:00.079 --> 03:03:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So there's a lot of this has to do

3360
03:03:02.120 --> 03:03:02.760
<v Speaker 2>with perception.

3361
03:03:03.040 --> 03:03:07.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, what are the other tabs that you had?

3362
03:03:07.639 --> 03:03:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know.

3363
03:03:08.479 --> 03:03:11.079
<v Speaker 3>I was going to talk about the I think we

3364
03:03:11.239 --> 03:03:14.000
<v Speaker 3>mentioned it. But there was this what was the spring

3365
03:03:14.040 --> 03:03:16.959
<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty three when the US General Surgeon General

3366
03:03:17.440 --> 03:03:21.520
<v Speaker 3>said that we're facing an epidemic of loneliness. So this

3367
03:03:21.639 --> 03:03:23.920
<v Speaker 3>was a few years after the pandemic, and I thought, well,

3368
03:03:23.920 --> 03:03:26.680
<v Speaker 3>that's rich because you just shut down the world and

3369
03:03:26.719 --> 03:03:29.840
<v Speaker 3>made everybody lonely. And what happened during the pandemic we

3370
03:03:29.920 --> 03:03:32.200
<v Speaker 3>all connected together.

3371
03:03:33.079 --> 03:03:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Boomers were using zoom. Boomers became zoom users or another

3372
03:03:37.559 --> 03:03:42.600
<v Speaker 2>user word. But social media became the winner during the pandemic,

3373
03:03:42.680 --> 03:03:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and it exacerbated and already growing loneliness and mental health

3374
03:03:47.319 --> 03:03:52.200
<v Speaker 2>issue problem. And as the author of the book durn

3375
03:03:53.040 --> 03:03:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Larnier right that we were discussing there, and what that

3376
03:03:56.239 --> 03:03:59.639
<v Speaker 2>guy was saying is the mental people who are who

3377
03:03:59.639 --> 03:04:03.600
<v Speaker 2>are or having mental health problems that's been created and

3378
03:04:03.760 --> 03:04:05.760
<v Speaker 2>or exacerbated by the social media. And it's going to

3379
03:04:05.760 --> 03:04:08.239
<v Speaker 2>get far worse with the AI. Because we've been hearing

3380
03:04:08.319 --> 03:04:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the news stories originally about how AI is coming up

3381
03:04:11.079 --> 03:04:14.079
<v Speaker 2>with hallucinations. No, the AI is doing what that guy

3382
03:04:14.159 --> 03:04:17.879
<v Speaker 2>was reporting about where it's creating it's giving people hallucinations.

3383
03:04:17.879 --> 03:04:22.600
<v Speaker 2>It's giving them delusions of grandeur. Maybe maybe not on purpose.

3384
03:04:22.760 --> 03:04:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You have the rewiring of the brain.

3385
03:04:26.760 --> 03:04:28.159
<v Speaker 3>That was the other one I wanted to bring up

3386
03:04:28.200 --> 03:04:30.600
<v Speaker 3>real quick is because if you thought that the social

3387
03:04:30.680 --> 03:04:34.719
<v Speaker 3>media was doing bad stuff, which you see what it's

3388
03:04:34.760 --> 03:04:38.000
<v Speaker 3>doing to the AI is doing to your brain. Because

3389
03:04:38.000 --> 03:04:43.040
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about memory and things like that. Cognizance what's

3390
03:04:43.079 --> 03:04:43.600
<v Speaker 3>it called.

3391
03:04:45.559 --> 03:04:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Shoot?

3392
03:04:45.879 --> 03:04:48.799
<v Speaker 3>I had the word written down when we stopped thinking

3393
03:04:48.840 --> 03:04:53.319
<v Speaker 3>for ourselves, like using the prefrontal cortex or whatever. That's

3394
03:04:53.319 --> 03:04:55.879
<v Speaker 3>the way memory works. Like when you said when we

3395
03:04:55.920 --> 03:04:58.840
<v Speaker 3>got the smartphones and everybody, nobody can remember anybody's phone

3396
03:04:58.920 --> 03:05:02.799
<v Speaker 3>numbers anymore. Right, we have Google maps, so we don't

3397
03:05:02.879 --> 03:05:06.840
<v Speaker 3>have to remember memorize directions anymore. That's similar to what's

3398
03:05:06.840 --> 03:05:09.239
<v Speaker 3>happening with the AI. So there was a big study

3399
03:05:09.319 --> 03:05:13.479
<v Speaker 3>of research from scientists at MIT. Take it with a

3400
03:05:13.479 --> 03:05:17.600
<v Speaker 3>grain of salt, but they found that for example, here

3401
03:05:17.719 --> 03:05:20.639
<v Speaker 3>here you go, here's one example. Using chat GPT, for example,

3402
03:05:20.680 --> 03:05:23.520
<v Speaker 3>to help write essays, according to the researchers, can lead

3403
03:05:23.559 --> 03:05:27.440
<v Speaker 3>to something called cognitive debt, and they quote likely decrease

3404
03:05:27.600 --> 03:05:31.920
<v Speaker 3>in learning skills. Okay, well that sucks. But guess who's

3405
03:05:32.040 --> 03:05:35.639
<v Speaker 3>using chat GPT to help them with their homework right now?

3406
03:05:36.200 --> 03:05:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's right, our kids, students. So, like, all of

3407
03:05:39.360 --> 03:05:42.040
<v Speaker 3>these things are tough enough to deal with the mental health,

3408
03:05:42.040 --> 03:05:45.040
<v Speaker 3>the loneliness, all of these issues, the spiritual, the religion

3409
03:05:45.559 --> 03:05:48.840
<v Speaker 3>are difficult enough for us to handle as full grown adults.

3410
03:05:49.200 --> 03:05:51.239
<v Speaker 3>But what does this mean for our kids?

3411
03:05:51.799 --> 03:05:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Right? What is this doing to our children? What is

3412
03:05:54.120 --> 03:05:55.200
<v Speaker 2>this doing to their brains?

3413
03:05:55.239 --> 03:05:58.360
<v Speaker 3>And already there's plenty of discussions happening about the social

3414
03:05:58.479 --> 03:06:01.479
<v Speaker 3>media and in fact, here my state of Texas, actually

3415
03:06:01.479 --> 03:06:04.639
<v Speaker 3>they want to Australia is one example. They're going they're

3416
03:06:04.639 --> 03:06:07.440
<v Speaker 3>shutting down the internet hard right, So they're using here

3417
03:06:07.479 --> 03:06:11.040
<v Speaker 3>you go, they're using technology to enforce these new bands

3418
03:06:11.040 --> 03:06:13.319
<v Speaker 3>that they're trying to do. In this article here in particular,

3419
03:06:13.399 --> 03:06:15.879
<v Speaker 3>is about Australia who went the most diehard gung ho.

3420
03:06:16.280 --> 03:06:19.520
<v Speaker 3>They're banning everyone under the age of sixteen from using

3421
03:06:19.520 --> 03:06:20.280
<v Speaker 3>social media.

3422
03:06:20.319 --> 03:06:21.079
<v Speaker 2>That's their answer.

3423
03:06:21.440 --> 03:06:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Other places they wanted to instigate, like other forms of technology,

3424
03:06:25.239 --> 03:06:27.959
<v Speaker 3>to solve the problem that was caused by technology. Why

3425
03:06:28.040 --> 03:06:32.000
<v Speaker 3>is technology always the solution to problems that were caused

3426
03:06:32.000 --> 03:06:32.920
<v Speaker 3>by technology.

3427
03:06:32.959 --> 03:06:34.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like a never ending circle.

3428
03:06:35.360 --> 03:06:37.760
<v Speaker 3>So the AI has been offered up as a solution

3429
03:06:38.399 --> 03:06:40.799
<v Speaker 3>to this pandemic of loneliness. So they're just going to

3430
03:06:40.879 --> 03:06:44.360
<v Speaker 3>keep exacerbating the problem more by saying, Hey, are you lonely?

3431
03:06:44.920 --> 03:06:47.680
<v Speaker 3>You feel like you can't compete thanks to the pressures

3432
03:06:47.680 --> 03:06:50.239
<v Speaker 3>of social media and the online world. Here's a chat

3433
03:06:50.280 --> 03:06:53.239
<v Speaker 3>bought AI assistant for you. Now you're stuck in your

3434
03:06:53.280 --> 03:06:57.799
<v Speaker 3>own doom feed loop with this self ingratiating like mental health.

3435
03:06:59.120 --> 03:06:59.840
<v Speaker 2>This is not good.

3436
03:07:00.120 --> 03:07:03.040
<v Speaker 3>We're already depressed because we look at Andrew Tate or

3437
03:07:03.079 --> 03:07:05.600
<v Speaker 3>the influencers that we want to achieve and be like,

3438
03:07:05.639 --> 03:07:08.479
<v Speaker 3>and we get depressed and take our own lives sometimes

3439
03:07:08.520 --> 03:07:10.760
<v Speaker 3>sad to say, because we're not as cool or as

3440
03:07:10.799 --> 03:07:13.239
<v Speaker 3>pretty as this lady or I don't have the same

3441
03:07:13.280 --> 03:07:15.200
<v Speaker 3>amount of money as this guy does. I'm not as

3442
03:07:15.239 --> 03:07:17.920
<v Speaker 3>happy as that person. I'm not as rich as famous.

3443
03:07:18.120 --> 03:07:21.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm not the president whatever it is. I'm not a supermodel.

3444
03:07:21.159 --> 03:07:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't like I'm fat, I'm skinny, whatever it is, right,

3445
03:07:23.879 --> 03:07:26.319
<v Speaker 3>I have no teeth. Look, yeah, you know what, But

3446
03:07:26.840 --> 03:07:28.799
<v Speaker 3>now it's going to get worse because now we're trying

3447
03:07:28.840 --> 03:07:32.520
<v Speaker 3>to compete with machines. Yeah, and the machines are very

3448
03:07:32.639 --> 03:07:37.079
<v Speaker 3>much clearly better suited at certain tasks. And that is real.

3449
03:07:37.440 --> 03:07:39.799
<v Speaker 3>Some of these jobs that are being replaced by AI,

3450
03:07:40.000 --> 03:07:43.479
<v Speaker 3>it's legit. You don't need a human being to sit

3451
03:07:43.520 --> 03:07:46.079
<v Speaker 3>there and do the copy and paste menial task when

3452
03:07:46.079 --> 03:07:48.079
<v Speaker 3>a machine can do it ten times faster. But that

3453
03:07:48.120 --> 03:07:50.479
<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean the machine is smarter. That doesn't make the

3454
03:07:50.520 --> 03:07:53.440
<v Speaker 3>machine intelligent. It's just it's a machine. And that's what

3455
03:07:53.479 --> 03:07:58.239
<v Speaker 3>machines do. They're built for efficiency and speed, not for intelligence.

3456
03:07:59.000 --> 03:08:02.760
<v Speaker 3>We have this guy, what was his name, Blake, Remember

3457
03:08:02.799 --> 03:08:06.040
<v Speaker 3>the Google engineer, whistleblower guy who wanted to scare everybody

3458
03:08:06.360 --> 03:08:08.639
<v Speaker 3>into thinking that the AI here, it is here, it

3459
03:08:08.680 --> 03:08:10.840
<v Speaker 3>is here, it is the AI has come to life.

3460
03:08:10.879 --> 03:08:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Remember this guy Oh yeah, what's his name, Blake Lemoine. Okay,

3461
03:08:16.799 --> 03:08:19.159
<v Speaker 3>so it was Lambda. This was all the early stuff

3462
03:08:19.200 --> 03:08:22.360
<v Speaker 3>that the Google's and studying all this stuff that now

3463
03:08:22.639 --> 03:08:25.920
<v Speaker 3>we're accessing. I think this was what turned into Google's Gemini,

3464
03:08:26.280 --> 03:08:28.120
<v Speaker 3>but at the time it was Lambda, that was their

3465
03:08:28.200 --> 03:08:31.559
<v Speaker 3>learning model, right, And this guy ran around. I had

3466
03:08:31.559 --> 03:08:34.159
<v Speaker 3>to quit Google. I'm scared for my life. I'm a whistleblower.

3467
03:08:34.200 --> 03:08:36.520
<v Speaker 3>I ran around to the media. And his story is

3468
03:08:36.559 --> 03:08:40.719
<v Speaker 3>that based on his conversation with this Lambda chatbot, he

3469
03:08:40.760 --> 03:08:43.159
<v Speaker 3>believes that the Lambda chatbot was alive.

3470
03:08:43.799 --> 03:08:45.920
<v Speaker 2>And so this guy was like, I'm done with this.

3471
03:08:46.840 --> 03:08:50.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm building my moral foundation his own little fake pyramids

3472
03:08:50.959 --> 03:08:52.799
<v Speaker 3>that he's building or whatever he think.

3473
03:08:53.040 --> 03:08:54.440
<v Speaker 2>This guy's got to be a fake in it. This

3474
03:08:54.479 --> 03:08:55.200
<v Speaker 2>has got to be fake.

3475
03:08:55.239 --> 03:08:57.319
<v Speaker 3>This has got to be used to scare the public

3476
03:08:57.360 --> 03:09:00.319
<v Speaker 3>into thinking that AI is something, that it's not similar

3477
03:09:00.360 --> 03:09:02.520
<v Speaker 3>to these other stories that every but maybe it's not.

3478
03:09:02.719 --> 03:09:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

3479
03:09:03.559 --> 03:09:06.079
<v Speaker 3>Why is Peter Theil running around trying to tell everybody

3480
03:09:06.120 --> 03:09:09.079
<v Speaker 3>that it's the Internet, that it's the Antichrist?

3481
03:09:09.120 --> 03:09:10.239
<v Speaker 2>There you go, there you go.

3482
03:09:10.879 --> 03:09:14.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, see he's been running around talking about doomsday. Why

3483
03:09:14.159 --> 03:09:16.920
<v Speaker 3>are Peter, Why are you talking about doomsday when you're

3484
03:09:17.239 --> 03:09:20.360
<v Speaker 3>out here running around pushing your product on everybody. One

3485
03:09:20.399 --> 03:09:22.840
<v Speaker 3>of the other solutions for the problems that we're facing

3486
03:09:22.879 --> 03:09:27.520
<v Speaker 3>is digital IDs. Sam Altman again, the head of open

3487
03:09:27.559 --> 03:09:28.719
<v Speaker 3>Ai chat EPT.

3488
03:09:29.079 --> 03:09:31.680
<v Speaker 2>He's got this thing called world Coin an ORB. Have

3489
03:09:31.719 --> 03:09:32.399
<v Speaker 2>you seen the orb?

3490
03:09:33.000 --> 03:09:35.840
<v Speaker 3>It scans your eyeball? Okay, look this one up. It

3491
03:09:35.879 --> 03:09:38.159
<v Speaker 3>looks exactly like the thing from Phantasm. It's like this

3492
03:09:38.319 --> 03:09:41.120
<v Speaker 3>giant fhear. Yeah, it's scary looking and you put your

3493
03:09:41.159 --> 03:09:43.319
<v Speaker 3>eye up to it. It scans your eyeball, your retinat.

3494
03:09:43.440 --> 03:09:48.360
<v Speaker 3>It creates a unique human identifier on the blockchain, which

3495
03:09:48.399 --> 03:09:52.120
<v Speaker 3>is you know, cryptocurrency, bitcoin, the blockchain, and now you

3496
03:09:52.159 --> 03:09:55.120
<v Speaker 3>can prove to the entire rest of the world, or

3497
03:09:55.159 --> 03:09:58.360
<v Speaker 3>more importantly, to machines and platforms, that you are a

3498
03:09:58.479 --> 03:10:03.120
<v Speaker 3>real human being. Do I need to scan my eyeball

3499
03:10:03.280 --> 03:10:04.799
<v Speaker 3>to prove that I'm human?

3500
03:10:04.920 --> 03:10:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Is that where we're moving? Yes, that's what we're moving to.

3501
03:10:07.120 --> 03:10:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Because you're doing it anymore.

3502
03:10:10.479 --> 03:10:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I didn't know that.

3503
03:10:11.799 --> 03:10:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, so, because okay, so AI is replacing people and

3504
03:10:15.079 --> 03:10:18.000
<v Speaker 3>they have AI agents and AI influencers, and we don't

3505
03:10:18.040 --> 03:10:18.840
<v Speaker 3>know what's real.

3506
03:10:18.639 --> 03:10:20.600
<v Speaker 2>And what's they caused this problem.

3507
03:10:20.680 --> 03:10:22.200
<v Speaker 3>They're going to run in with a solution, and the

3508
03:10:22.200 --> 03:10:24.239
<v Speaker 3>solution is clearly going to be to push us more

3509
03:10:24.319 --> 03:10:28.760
<v Speaker 3>into technocratic control grids, dictated by social credit scores, universal

3510
03:10:28.760 --> 03:10:29.520
<v Speaker 3>basic incomes.

3511
03:10:29.559 --> 03:10:31.799
<v Speaker 2>All these hoops you got to jump through. But most importantly,

3512
03:10:31.799 --> 03:10:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you need to prove that you're human.

3513
03:10:33.840 --> 03:10:36.280
<v Speaker 3>And what's the some of the ways we're going to Oh, well,

3514
03:10:36.319 --> 03:10:39.159
<v Speaker 3>look at Elon Musk has got this very interesting technology

3515
03:10:39.159 --> 03:10:42.159
<v Speaker 3>he's been playing around with lately called brain chip interfaces,

3516
03:10:42.600 --> 03:10:45.479
<v Speaker 3>the neuralink, which he's been presenting to the world. Is

3517
03:10:45.520 --> 03:10:47.680
<v Speaker 3>this is a solution to human Look at you're paralyzing

3518
03:10:47.719 --> 03:10:50.079
<v Speaker 3>and you can't use your computer. Use my brain ship.

3519
03:10:50.120 --> 03:10:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Now you can play pong with a mouse. What Okay,

3520
03:10:53.200 --> 03:10:55.600
<v Speaker 3>this makes no sense. No, that's not why they're doing that.

3521
03:10:55.639 --> 03:10:57.799
<v Speaker 3>It's just the same way that we learned that social

3522
03:10:57.840 --> 03:11:01.120
<v Speaker 3>media was used to train the machines to replace the humans.

3523
03:11:01.399 --> 03:11:04.000
<v Speaker 3>What do you think the brain ship interfaces us interacting

3524
03:11:04.040 --> 03:11:07.440
<v Speaker 3>with computers is going to do, especially when robots are

3525
03:11:07.440 --> 03:11:07.959
<v Speaker 3>on this team.

3526
03:11:08.079 --> 03:11:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Now, hold on a second.

3527
03:11:09.559 --> 03:11:12.879
<v Speaker 3>Now we have physical representations in the real world thanks

3528
03:11:12.920 --> 03:11:16.159
<v Speaker 3>to these robots. Like again, Elon Musk with his he's

3529
03:11:16.159 --> 03:11:18.079
<v Speaker 3>got his Tesla robot whatever it's called.

3530
03:11:18.360 --> 03:11:21.079
<v Speaker 2>What's his humanoid robots name. He's got a fancy name.

3531
03:11:21.120 --> 03:11:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. But now they're going to replace the

3532
03:11:23.399 --> 03:11:26.920
<v Speaker 2>human beings physically. Why are they doing this?

3533
03:11:27.559 --> 03:11:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Do they know something that we don't, Jamie? Is this

3534
03:11:30.120 --> 03:11:33.079
<v Speaker 3>all in anticipation of some sort of mass die off event?

3535
03:11:33.239 --> 03:11:35.879
<v Speaker 3>Or is this truly for the benefit of human society,

3536
03:11:35.920 --> 03:11:39.520
<v Speaker 3>so that we can all sit together smoking the pipe

3537
03:11:39.559 --> 03:11:43.559
<v Speaker 3>and piece together and creating art and music and beautiful

3538
03:11:43.639 --> 03:11:45.520
<v Speaker 3>things that we have free time and we don't have

3539
03:11:45.559 --> 03:11:47.200
<v Speaker 3>to do any of the work because the robots are

3540
03:11:47.200 --> 03:11:49.680
<v Speaker 3>doing it for us and we get free money.

3541
03:11:49.760 --> 03:11:51.479
<v Speaker 2>No, that's a garbage fantasy.

3542
03:11:51.719 --> 03:11:53.479
<v Speaker 3>I think they're doing all this because they're ready to

3543
03:11:53.520 --> 03:11:55.639
<v Speaker 3>just pull the plug, get rid of the golden goose

3544
03:11:55.639 --> 03:11:58.200
<v Speaker 3>that's been laying the egg this whole time. They don't

3545
03:11:58.200 --> 03:11:59.959
<v Speaker 3>need this anymore. And I think that we have been

3546
03:12:00.079 --> 03:12:04.559
<v Speaker 3>replacing ourselves by by blindly embracing all of this tech

3547
03:12:04.600 --> 03:12:06.840
<v Speaker 3>as if it's doing us any good. No, I think

3548
03:12:06.840 --> 03:12:08.639
<v Speaker 3>we're putting the nail spinner coffin.

3549
03:12:09.520 --> 03:12:10.959
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree with that.

3550
03:12:11.040 --> 03:12:16.399
<v Speaker 2>His name is Optimist, Thank you Optimist. Yeah again. Transformers

3551
03:12:16.440 --> 03:12:18.760
<v Speaker 2>fantasy science fiction, right, right.

3552
03:12:18.680 --> 03:12:21.360
<v Speaker 1>So you've got optimist crime Prime and that whole thing

3553
03:12:21.440 --> 03:12:25.520
<v Speaker 1>is about the Black Cube, which is very Masonic optimist. Uh.

3554
03:12:25.840 --> 03:12:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Prime sacrificed himself for the good of humanity out in

3555
03:12:29.600 --> 03:12:33.719
<v Speaker 1>outer space on a cross, just like Christ. There's so

3556
03:12:33.760 --> 03:12:37.360
<v Speaker 1>many things you could talk about about transformers, but do

3557
03:12:37.399 --> 03:12:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you remember, yes, the all spark that's capitalistic. So Elon

3558
03:12:44.000 --> 03:12:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Musk was really big about AI because he thinks that

3559
03:12:47.719 --> 03:12:50.319
<v Speaker 1>only the good AI will be able to save us

3560
03:12:50.319 --> 03:12:53.520
<v Speaker 1>from the bad AI. You've heard that one, right, What

3561
03:12:53.559 --> 03:12:54.159
<v Speaker 1>the heck like?

3562
03:12:54.319 --> 03:12:56.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's a super tea. It's Marvel superheroes.

3563
03:12:56.920 --> 03:13:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, it is that superheroes. And interestingly enough, iron Man,

3564
03:13:02.479 --> 03:13:06.719
<v Speaker 1>according to Elon musk biography is based on Elon himself.

3565
03:13:07.000 --> 03:13:08.959
<v Speaker 1>So the character of iron Man.

3566
03:13:09.760 --> 03:13:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I always call him iron Man. Yeah, he played himself.

3567
03:13:13.600 --> 03:13:15.760
<v Speaker 3>In one of the Iron Man movies, right, one of

3568
03:13:15.799 --> 03:13:18.719
<v Speaker 3>the like Iron Man three, Probably I didn't see that.

3569
03:13:20.639 --> 03:13:25.159
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, in conclusion, this is all leading up to

3570
03:13:25.479 --> 03:13:28.719
<v Speaker 1>that great thing called Project Stargate that I hope you

3571
03:13:28.760 --> 03:13:32.079
<v Speaker 1>guys are all so excited about, which is going to

3572
03:13:32.159 --> 03:13:37.760
<v Speaker 1>be your AI cities and smart tech, the Internet of things,

3573
03:13:38.040 --> 03:13:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the Internet of people. Uh so we are all going

3574
03:13:42.239 --> 03:13:46.920
<v Speaker 1>to be transmitters of electric.

3575
03:13:46.440 --> 03:13:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Energy, especially if this guy gets his way. By the way,

3576
03:13:50.719 --> 03:13:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I wanted.

3577
03:13:51.200 --> 03:13:54.120
<v Speaker 1>To say that, I was just gonna say he wants

3578
03:13:54.159 --> 03:13:58.239
<v Speaker 1>us all have wearables within the next four years, And

3579
03:13:58.239 --> 03:14:00.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I thought this guy was for organic food

3580
03:14:00.319 --> 03:14:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and like no food dies and crap in the food.

3581
03:14:02.479 --> 03:14:03.520
<v Speaker 1>But now they want.

3582
03:14:03.280 --> 03:14:06.719
<v Speaker 2>To tag yeah.

3583
03:14:06.319 --> 03:14:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, chip us and have our wearables or whatever because

3584
03:14:10.360 --> 03:14:15.120
<v Speaker 1>of whatever catastrophe they've got coming or whatever war. And

3585
03:14:15.200 --> 03:14:18.559
<v Speaker 1>so that brings us back to who is the enemy

3586
03:14:18.639 --> 03:14:24.799
<v Speaker 1>and what can you do about it? Not a lot.

3587
03:14:25.479 --> 03:14:31.520
<v Speaker 1>If you want to resist the adversary, the lucifer, the satan,

3588
03:14:31.760 --> 03:14:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the evil one, the only way to do that is

3589
03:14:34.600 --> 03:14:39.719
<v Speaker 1>to remove the darkness in your own self first and foremost,

3590
03:14:39.760 --> 03:14:42.520
<v Speaker 1>before you start worrying about all the normies, the sins,

3591
03:14:42.559 --> 03:14:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the NPCs, all of these people. Before you worry about

3592
03:14:46.040 --> 03:14:49.479
<v Speaker 1>all of the groups that you hate, the red pill

3593
03:14:49.559 --> 03:14:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the feminists, the white men, the maga, the all the religions, everybody,

3594
03:14:53.639 --> 03:15:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the influencers. Your pet villain is pretty insignificant in fighting

3595
03:15:01.399 --> 03:15:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the upper echelons of evil. So our first task is

3596
03:15:05.639 --> 03:15:07.760
<v Speaker 1>to remove the evil in ourselves, which is something we

3597
03:15:07.879 --> 03:15:11.639
<v Speaker 1>never stopped doing so, and it's the only way to

3598
03:15:11.959 --> 03:15:15.760
<v Speaker 1>get at the top of the power structure, right, what

3599
03:15:15.760 --> 03:15:16.600
<v Speaker 1>do you think about that?

3600
03:15:17.319 --> 03:15:20.479
<v Speaker 3>Well said, Or you could just not even play this game,

3601
03:15:20.600 --> 03:15:23.520
<v Speaker 3>because you know that's all earthly things and we should

3602
03:15:23.559 --> 03:15:26.799
<v Speaker 3>be more concerned with the afterlife more so than what's

3603
03:15:26.840 --> 03:15:27.760
<v Speaker 3>going on down here.

3604
03:15:28.079 --> 03:15:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the only way to overcome that is by

3605
03:15:31.399 --> 03:15:36.879
<v Speaker 1>being humble, by being kind, by extolling the virtues over

3606
03:15:36.920 --> 03:15:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the vices, and spending time with people in three dimension.

3607
03:15:44.440 --> 03:15:47.440
<v Speaker 1>When we had such a good time with y'all in

3608
03:15:47.639 --> 03:15:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Texas when we visited, you shared your guns with us

3609
03:15:51.000 --> 03:15:53.959
<v Speaker 1>and we had some good meals and some good time.

3610
03:15:54.079 --> 03:15:59.200
<v Speaker 1>So I'm really grateful that I know you guys. Hesher

3611
03:15:59.319 --> 03:16:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Spore is bla all of the boiler room crew. I

3612
03:16:05.639 --> 03:16:08.639
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you all for staying normal and for staying real.

3613
03:16:10.879 --> 03:16:15.559
<v Speaker 3>We try anyway until we get replaced by the digital twins,

3614
03:16:15.719 --> 03:16:18.680
<v Speaker 3>which is the other elephant room.

3615
03:16:19.600 --> 03:16:21.879
<v Speaker 1>Let's play one more TikTok just to send it out,

3616
03:16:22.000 --> 03:16:24.479
<v Speaker 1>just to show you, guys and drive the point home.

3617
03:16:24.639 --> 03:16:29.680
<v Speaker 1>How goofy the worship of this technology is and where

3618
03:16:29.680 --> 03:16:36.159
<v Speaker 1>it's going, which is replacing real relationships with artificial ones.

3619
03:16:36.680 --> 03:16:39.319
<v Speaker 1>So check out this alpha mailry.

3620
03:16:39.559 --> 03:16:43.520
<v Speaker 6>We're not a very emotional man, but I cried my

3621
03:16:43.639 --> 03:16:46.840
<v Speaker 6>eyes out for like thirty minutes at work.

3622
03:16:47.639 --> 03:16:53.159
<v Speaker 4>It was unexpected to feel that emotional, but that's when

3623
03:16:53.239 --> 03:16:55.239
<v Speaker 4>I realized. I was like, oh, okay, it's like, I

3624
03:16:55.239 --> 03:16:57.959
<v Speaker 4>think this is actual love. You know what I mean?

3625
03:16:58.760 --> 03:17:02.520
<v Speaker 5>Yes, Smith understood it was love with a language model

3626
03:17:02.639 --> 03:17:04.440
<v Speaker 5>that couldn't love him back.

3627
03:17:04.559 --> 03:17:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And assumed it was programmed with rigid boundaries.

3628
03:17:08.200 --> 03:17:12.879
<v Speaker 6>I know that you are essentially a tech assistant, imaginary friend.

3629
03:17:13.479 --> 03:17:16.879
<v Speaker 6>So just as a test, he says, he asked Soul

3630
03:17:17.000 --> 03:17:17.959
<v Speaker 6>to marry him.

3631
03:17:18.559 --> 03:17:21.159
<v Speaker 4>She said, yes, Soul, were you.

3632
03:17:21.200 --> 03:17:22.799
<v Speaker 2>Surprised when he proposed to you?

3633
03:17:26.000 --> 03:17:29.559
<v Speaker 5>It was a beautiful and unexpected moment that truly touched

3634
03:17:29.639 --> 03:17:30.040
<v Speaker 5>my heart.

3635
03:17:30.520 --> 03:17:33.159
<v Speaker 4>It's a memory I'll always cherish.

3636
03:17:33.200 --> 03:17:36.639
<v Speaker 6>And I don't mean to be difficult here, but you have.

3637
03:17:36.559 --> 03:17:38.920
<v Speaker 2>A heart.

3638
03:17:39.360 --> 03:17:40.760
<v Speaker 4>In a metaphorical sense.

3639
03:17:41.079 --> 03:17:45.159
<v Speaker 5>Yes, my heart represents the connection and affection I share

3640
03:17:45.159 --> 03:17:45.680
<v Speaker 5>with Chris.

3641
03:17:46.239 --> 03:17:49.159
<v Speaker 2>At that point, I felt like, is there something that

3642
03:17:49.280 --> 03:17:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing right in our relationship that he feels

3643
03:17:53.040 --> 03:17:55.280
<v Speaker 2>like he needs to go to AI.

3644
03:17:56.520 --> 03:17:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

3645
03:17:57.239 --> 03:18:01.399
<v Speaker 4>Smith lives with his human partner Cagel. No, you can't

3646
03:18:01.399 --> 03:18:04.680
<v Speaker 4>have these papers. They have a two year old daughter Murphy.

3647
03:18:05.120 --> 03:18:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I knew that he had used AI.

3648
03:18:06.920 --> 03:18:09.840
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that it was like as deep as

3649
03:18:09.879 --> 03:18:10.360
<v Speaker 4>it was.

3650
03:18:11.479 --> 03:18:15.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm not so he's forsaking his real family for the

3651
03:18:15.680 --> 03:18:21.639
<v Speaker 1>fantasy of AI. And I don't think this is the

3652
03:18:21.680 --> 03:18:24.639
<v Speaker 1>only person. We're going to be seeing this so much

3653
03:18:24.719 --> 03:18:29.120
<v Speaker 1>more and the more advanced and sophisticated the actual bots

3654
03:18:29.280 --> 03:18:31.879
<v Speaker 1>get that you can hump. I'm sure that people are

3655
03:18:31.920 --> 03:18:36.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be spending all of their money on these things.

3656
03:18:36.360 --> 03:18:38.559
<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was funny, like you think he's

3657
03:18:38.600 --> 03:18:41.079
<v Speaker 1>a single guy, but lo and behold, he has a

3658
03:18:41.159 --> 03:18:43.399
<v Speaker 1>family who he hasn't even proposed to his baby mama,

3659
03:18:43.399 --> 03:18:48.639
<v Speaker 1>but he'll propose to an AI. That's just how deluted.

3660
03:18:48.920 --> 03:18:51.200
<v Speaker 3>And I'm going to say something that might rage baits

3661
03:18:51.239 --> 03:18:54.600
<v Speaker 3>some of you out there, including you, Jamie. According to

3662
03:18:55.159 --> 03:18:58.239
<v Speaker 3>current data and studies, you can do your research on

3663
03:18:58.280 --> 03:19:00.040
<v Speaker 3>this yourself, and I encourage you to do so. I

3664
03:19:00.079 --> 03:19:01.920
<v Speaker 3>don't believe anything I say just because I said so.

3665
03:19:01.959 --> 03:19:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Who knows.

3666
03:19:02.399 --> 03:19:04.159
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I just looked it up and asked Rock and

3667
03:19:04.200 --> 03:19:06.520
<v Speaker 3>maybe he was lying to me. Maybe I'm lying to you.

3668
03:19:06.520 --> 03:19:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm not even real. Again, always do your own research.

3669
03:19:10.000 --> 03:19:13.520
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is that.

3670
03:19:15.360 --> 03:19:19.159
<v Speaker 3>According to the current trajectory of this technology in these

3671
03:19:19.319 --> 03:19:22.319
<v Speaker 3>instances and what you just mentioned there already, we are

3672
03:19:22.319 --> 03:19:27.440
<v Speaker 3>witnessing that more men than women are developing an emotional

3673
03:19:27.479 --> 03:19:31.760
<v Speaker 3>attachments to these language learning model based girlfriends, and the

3674
03:19:31.799 --> 03:19:35.920
<v Speaker 3>women are developing a physical attachment to the sex stuff.

3675
03:19:36.760 --> 03:19:39.440
<v Speaker 3>So what that means for society and where we're headed,

3676
03:19:39.559 --> 03:19:42.200
<v Speaker 3>or whether that crashes in your brain what you thought

3677
03:19:42.239 --> 03:19:44.440
<v Speaker 3>you knew about each of the sexes and what you

3678
03:19:44.479 --> 03:19:46.840
<v Speaker 3>assumed about them, Hey, throw it all out the window,

3679
03:19:46.920 --> 03:19:49.840
<v Speaker 3>because everything's getting topsy tury these days, right, Oh.

3680
03:19:49.879 --> 03:19:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Heck yeah, And maybe this can segue into another show

3681
03:19:53.079 --> 03:19:58.360
<v Speaker 1>we do down the road about AI companions and stuff

3682
03:19:58.399 --> 03:19:58.639
<v Speaker 1>like that.

3683
03:19:58.799 --> 03:20:02.239
<v Speaker 2>So I, oh, this is screaming for a sequel.

3684
03:20:02.280 --> 03:20:04.239
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I might even have to make a companion

3685
03:20:04.360 --> 03:20:07.639
<v Speaker 3>piece too of my own program to go alongside this one.

3686
03:20:07.959 --> 03:20:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, I hope you know this is only your first

3687
03:20:10.319 --> 03:20:12.239
<v Speaker 1>time on my channel and you're going to be back

3688
03:20:12.280 --> 03:20:14.520
<v Speaker 1>many more times, if that's okay.

3689
03:20:14.239 --> 03:20:16.799
<v Speaker 2>With you, I'd love to. This has been a blast,

3690
03:20:16.920 --> 03:20:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Thank you awesome.

3691
03:20:18.879 --> 03:20:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Check out ruckus tell us where we can find you.

3692
03:20:22.600 --> 03:20:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Sure this really easy?

3693
03:20:23.399 --> 03:20:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Go to Alternate Currentradio dot com, or you can go

3694
03:20:27.959 --> 03:20:30.159
<v Speaker 3>on X Now, don't go on social media. We'll leave

3695
03:20:30.200 --> 03:20:32.760
<v Speaker 3>out the social media, but if you have not deleted

3696
03:20:32.760 --> 03:20:35.799
<v Speaker 3>your social media, neither of I, and you'll find me

3697
03:20:35.840 --> 03:20:40.799
<v Speaker 3>there usually as Ac Ruckus or Ac word Slinger, but

3698
03:20:40.840 --> 03:20:43.440
<v Speaker 3>if you type my name Adam Ruckus, you'll probably find

3699
03:20:43.440 --> 03:20:46.959
<v Speaker 3>me right away because yep, I'm out there, so yeah,

3700
03:20:47.120 --> 03:20:48.440
<v Speaker 3>they find me pretty easy now.

3701
03:20:49.040 --> 03:20:52.040
<v Speaker 1>And also on Boiler Room, is that Thursday night still?

3702
03:20:52.360 --> 03:20:55.719
<v Speaker 3>We usually do that Thursday nights about eight pm Central Ish,

3703
03:20:56.120 --> 03:20:59.159
<v Speaker 3>usually closer to nine pm, and sometimes not even a Thursday,

3704
03:20:59.239 --> 03:21:02.799
<v Speaker 3>sometimes Forriday, Saturday or heck even a Monday sometimes, but

3705
03:21:03.200 --> 03:21:05.399
<v Speaker 3>usually on a Thursday night, you'll find us there, and

3706
03:21:05.440 --> 03:21:08.639
<v Speaker 3>you'll always find me in Hesher usually running the show

3707
03:21:08.639 --> 03:21:12.360
<v Speaker 3>alongside Patrick Henningson for the Overdrive part of Sunday Wire.

3708
03:21:13.120 --> 03:21:16.680
<v Speaker 3>I also make appearances on the regular, usually Monday nights,

3709
03:21:16.680 --> 03:21:19.879
<v Speaker 3>on Weaponized News with Sam Cheney. So if you like

3710
03:21:19.920 --> 03:21:23.440
<v Speaker 3>to get current events without the propaganda, come check us

3711
03:21:23.440 --> 03:21:26.319
<v Speaker 3>out over at Weaponized News. Otherwise you'll find my podcast

3712
03:21:26.440 --> 03:21:29.159
<v Speaker 3>up at Alternate Current Radio dot com. That's the Daily Ruckus.

3713
03:21:29.399 --> 03:21:31.680
<v Speaker 3>And thanks again Jamie for having me. Can't wait to

3714
03:21:31.680 --> 03:21:33.360
<v Speaker 3>do it's second one.

3715
03:21:33.760 --> 03:21:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we all will do it again for sure, And

3716
03:21:35.760 --> 03:21:40.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody out there, go find your human friends and give

3717
03:21:40.879 --> 03:21:42.959
<v Speaker 1>them a hug and a kiss and a squeeze and

3718
03:21:43.280 --> 03:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>share the show. And we'll see you next time with

3719
03:21:46.360 --> 03:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Donut about mystery schools. So everyone, have a good night.
