Speaker 1: Welcoming back to Out of this world. Guys. I'm Jamie
Speaker 1: Hanshaw and joining me today is Rugus, my good friend
Speaker 1: Ruckus who is the host of The Daily Ruckus on
Speaker 1: Alternate Current Radio dot com and also a fellow boiler
Speaker 1: Room Froggy.
Speaker 2: Right, Guilty, guiltiest charged. Jamie, this is nice.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. This is gonna be
Speaker 3: fun on your own program or usually we like can't.
Speaker 3: I can't have you on my program, the Daily Ruckus,
Speaker 3: because I just report news and do other things. Maybe
Speaker 3: I'll do a special sideways interview program that involves other guests.
Speaker 3: But it's fascinating that now I get to be on
Speaker 3: my fellow boiler roomors podcasts occasionally and now finally yours.
Speaker 3: So thanks for having me. We have a big discussion today.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: I know. So in this day and age. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've heard, but World War three is popping off.
Speaker 1: Its to me crazy, and it seems like this is
Speaker 1: the year of a million villains. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: sort of rant to you at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: show today because I have noticed that well, the phone
Speaker 1: is trying to mind control you, right, is trying to
Speaker 1: get you to do all of these things. I wrote
Speaker 1: a joke and I said, my phone wants me to
Speaker 1: number one, get a divorce, and number to spend all
Speaker 1: my money. And I'm like, silly, Phone, how can I
Speaker 1: afford to shop if I don't have a husband? Right?
Speaker 1: So I told Jay that joke and he's like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean it wants you to divorce me? And
Speaker 1: I was like, it's just a joke. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see where things are trying to nudge you in
Speaker 1: certain directions. And that's what we're going to talk about today,
Speaker 1: is like are you the product of your own original
Speaker 1: thoughts and experiences or are you a simulation that is
Speaker 1: just like being blown back and forth hither to accomplish
Speaker 1: some nefarious goal. And we'll get into what that could be,
Speaker 1: but today I just wanted to I'm so frustrated ruckus
Speaker 1: because the phone, the algorithm, everything society has told me
Speaker 1: that I am the problem. Okay, everything is my fault
Speaker 1: as a white woman. So I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: experienced this on your innerweb searching as a white man,
Speaker 1: it tells you you're the problem. If it's if you're
Speaker 1: a black man, it says you're the problem. But it
Speaker 1: has completely convinced me that the whole world is against me.
Speaker 1: Everyone hates me. I know that's not true, but every
Speaker 1: time I'll log on, conservatives are like, it's liberal white
Speaker 1: women's fault. And then the liberals are like, well, it's
Speaker 1: conservative white women's fault, and the feminists are like, we
Speaker 1: love everyone except white women. And you go through these
Speaker 1: threads and the threads are like, it's all women's fault,
Speaker 1: and then someone says, no, it's not just women, it's
Speaker 1: women over forty. No, it's not them, it's childless women
Speaker 1: over forty. So they might as well just say it's
Speaker 1: all Jamie's fault, because it's like everything that I am,
Speaker 1: I'm being programmed to accept this responsibility for the collapse
Speaker 1: of civilization just because I'm a white woman and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be weird. It's I uh. I realized
Speaker 1: that on election day when I got called what did
Speaker 1: I get called? I got called Ava Braun of the
Speaker 1: Fourth Reich, and I got called a crypto feminist. So
Speaker 1: two extremes of a thing, and I'm like, neither of
Speaker 1: these things is true, so I must be just some
Speaker 1: kind of blank canvas to project your anger onto, right,
Speaker 1: and I've noticed that other groups are getting the same treatment.
Speaker 1: I mean, once you convince a tinfoil hat to feel
Speaker 1: so sorry for Jews, I mean that I feel sorry
Speaker 1: for Jews right now and what they're going through. I
Speaker 1: feel sorry for everybody. Everybody has been demonized. And I
Speaker 1: made this sort of chart for people because I am
Speaker 1: the problem, and everyone is their own problem in my experience.
Speaker 1: Not to say that we don't have enemies, but even
Speaker 1: if you could, you know, if you had the Thanos glove,
Speaker 1: and you could make the group disappear that you hate,
Speaker 1: if you could make all Jews disappear, you can make
Speaker 1: all feminists disappear, If you could make all whoever that
Speaker 1: you blame for everything that's going on disappear, your life
Speaker 1: would still suck because of you, not you ruckus. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying all these people who say, no, it's feminists, No,
Speaker 1: it's red pills, No, it's this, it's liberals, it's conservatives,
Speaker 1: it's everything. So I wanted to actually take responsibility and say,
Speaker 1: you know, in our own lives, we are the problem
Speaker 1: in our own lives. Okay, not everybody is as victimized
Speaker 1: as they pretend to be. And if you wanted to
Speaker 1: have the problem, the problem would be you know, Satan
Speaker 1: himself up here, right. So I made this uh chart.
Speaker 1: And everybody wants to fight evil, even whatever side that
Speaker 1: you disagree with. They think they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: And everyone thinks they are immune to propaganda, which we're not. Right.
Speaker 1: Everybody has been sorted out and categorized and put into
Speaker 1: these different boxes based on our algorithm and what we're viewing.
Speaker 1: So I put you know, at the top, the problem
Speaker 1: is the devil, the evil one, the adversary, going away
Speaker 1: from what's right underneath him. You've got, you know, the principalities,
Speaker 1: the fallen angels or aliens. These are the demons who
Speaker 1: influence the humans who are knowingly aligned with the devil
Speaker 1: or the demon possessed. These are your secret societies, These
Speaker 1: are your bloodlines. These are the occultists. You don't see
Speaker 1: much of them, right, but they are controlling all of
Speaker 1: the groups in this green that you hate. So whoever
Speaker 1: you think is the problem, whatever your ism that you
Speaker 1: are against, this is the green. And then the green
Speaker 1: controls most of humanity, which is the orange, which is
Speaker 1: you know, just people living on autopilot or in survival mode,
Speaker 1: and they're living on their vices. These are the NPCs
Speaker 1: or the sims or this is the group that is
Speaker 1: most vulnerable to being swayed into these different cults to
Speaker 1: get different outcomes and ultimately goes back to the devil.
Speaker 1: So but at the bottom, you, yourself, are the own
Speaker 1: problem in your own life. Not that people aren't victimized
Speaker 1: or oppressed, but you're trying to beat the devil by
Speaker 1: punching through like Mario straight up, and there's no way.
Speaker 1: You can only bypass everyone else and defeat Satan by
Speaker 1: being humble and realizing that all of these groups that
Speaker 1: you think are so evil and ruining the world are
Speaker 1: just one level of this pyramid. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you think of my assessment of whose fault it is.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll remind everyone that each individual person in those
Speaker 3: other groups, the layers above the you on the foundation,
Speaker 3: are also bearing the weight of their own personal you
Speaker 3: foundation pyramid. So it's like a multi level mar multi
Speaker 3: level pyramid within a pyramid. So like at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, you're right, all of us are responsible
Speaker 3: for we are the problem. And that's actually technically I'm
Speaker 3: going to have to accept some responsibility, even more so
Speaker 3: than you, because this is a very biblically found belief
Speaker 3: when you think about it, because we are born into
Speaker 3: original sin if you're a believer the Bible and God
Speaker 3: as the Creator and Jesus Christ. When most people, like
Speaker 3: the guys the men, will be like, oh, it was
Speaker 3: all Eve's fault because she ate the apple. Well, obviously,
Speaker 3: my real name, of course is Adam. My name, of
Speaker 3: course comes from the Bible and the first man. I
Speaker 3: was the first son born into my family. But that aside,
Speaker 3: it's not because of what Eve did that we are
Speaker 3: condemned and born into sin. Is because of what Adam did,
Speaker 3: which because because Eve was tricked by Satan the serpent.
Speaker 3: I think those might be two separate entities, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Ultimately, it was the devil, right, Maybe the
Speaker 3: serpent was just the middle level of the pyramid there,
Speaker 3: But regardless, Eve was tempted and Adam wasn't around or
Speaker 3: anything like that.
Speaker 2: So she was deceived.
Speaker 3: But Adam knew better, He saw what she did, knew
Speaker 3: what was going to happen if he did it, and
Speaker 3: he made the conscious decision to sin like that, And
Speaker 3: since all of us are born come from Adam, including
Speaker 3: the original woman.
Speaker 2: It's it's Adam's fault.
Speaker 3: It's because come from Adam, not because of the Eve
Speaker 3: that we are born into original sin, which you can
Speaker 3: explain how God can come onto our planet as the
Speaker 3: son Jesus Christ with the virgin birth because there was
Speaker 3: no atom bloodline involved with that Eve was okay, you
Speaker 3: still okay, right, But she bears her own sin being
Speaker 3: born into this world because she comes from Adam.
Speaker 2: But you see what I mean.
Speaker 3: So this foundation of yours I find very much aligned with,
Speaker 3: you know, religious beliefs throughout the world, not just christianityday.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting and a lot of what you're you're
Speaker 3: mentioning in there, I think are things we're going to
Speaker 3: be touching upon in today's discussion.
Speaker 2: Very interesting. I like your drawing.
Speaker 3: I even like the what's the polite word to use,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it looks like the kids
Speaker 3: drawing with the crayons. Yeah, and you put it on
Speaker 3: the refrigerator. But I like that look. I like that aesthetic.
Speaker 3: It's really nice.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, thanks, Yeah, that's exactly what they would tell
Speaker 1: me in Catechuman class for Orthodox Church is that eve
Speaker 1: would was deceived and Adam sinned willingly, and in that
Speaker 1: we have to separate judgments, to separate responsibilities, to separate
Speaker 1: ways of being culpable, like you said, for the same action.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So Satan, the lucifer, the adversary, the evil one.
Speaker 1: He is all about deception, right, and manipulation of our
Speaker 1: free will through mind control. And I just to go
Speaker 1: back a little bit in time. When we were use
Speaker 1: bookshopping the other day, I found this one subliminal subduction.
Speaker 1: Are you being sexually aroused by this picture? Now it's
Speaker 1: only a picture of, you know, a glass of ice
Speaker 1: or whatever, But we all know these subliminal messages, and
Speaker 1: we've gone through these in Disney movies and other cartoons
Speaker 1: and commercials before in the past. But I just wanted
Speaker 1: to remind you that this kind of stuff has been
Speaker 1: going on for so long, and it's even becoming more
Speaker 1: sophisticated with the use of AI and algorithm that can
Speaker 1: basically turn you into whatever kind of person that it
Speaker 1: wants you to be. Right, So yeah, let's just start
Speaker 1: talking about that show adolescence because Redpill Boys and Manisphere,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the biggest probably influence that I
Speaker 1: have seen online in the past couple of years. What
Speaker 1: do you think.
Speaker 2: It didn't touch me?
Speaker 3: Apparently I must have been too busy being ruckus or something. Yeah, lah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the whole manosphere.
Speaker 2: Think I missed all of that. I was.
Speaker 3: I think at that time I was just completely back
Speaker 3: in my normal work life and just focusing on that
Speaker 3: and just listening to Boiler Room and Sunday Wire and
Speaker 3: that's about it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I wasn't even like watching you guys your content on
Speaker 3: the side. I was just sticking to those two programs.
Speaker 3: So this whole concept, I think I missed most of this.
Speaker 3: And then, obviously, since I'm no longer an adolescent, I
Speaker 3: can only imagine what the kids are going through. I
Speaker 3: think about that lot, you know, when I'm dealing with
Speaker 3: my own experiences online and social media and twitters and
Speaker 3: facebooks and whatnot, I'm like, holy crap, it must be
Speaker 3: like impossible for kids. Like what else it is doing
Speaker 3: to our kids? Oh my goodness. Well, you know, clearly
Speaker 3: we've got some problems in that department, and I think
Speaker 3: a lot of one of the problems, at least suggested
Speaker 3: in this television series. It was on Netflix right is
Speaker 3: that your interactions, and thanks to social media, these algorithms
Speaker 3: can influence your behavior enough to cause a ripple effect
Speaker 3: in the real world, i e. Like, cause you to
Speaker 3: go out and do violence in this particular case, if
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, it's influencing all sorts of crazy ways. I
Speaker 1: mean now, even things like grape is on the table
Speaker 1: as redefining what this is and is it good or bad?
Speaker 1: Or should we do it? It's just getting really out
Speaker 1: of hand. And in the trying to fight feminism and
Speaker 1: Marxism and all of these isms, I think the pendulum
Speaker 1: has swung way too far in the other direction. I've
Speaker 1: been critiquing feminism for longer than I can remember, at least,
Speaker 1: you know, the twenty eleven twenty twelve I wrote copyrighted
Speaker 1: articles mentioning these I call it princess programming and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But now I gotta tell you, you know,
Speaker 1: in my villain arc here online, because I'm a white woman,
Speaker 1: and a lot of men just want to label every
Speaker 1: woman that disagrees with any sentiment they have as a feminist. Right, So,
Speaker 1: in trying to fight these Marxist ideas were becoming very
Speaker 1: Islamic almost in Sharia, about our ideas about what women
Speaker 1: can do and what rights they can have, and I
Speaker 1: just thought this is so interesting. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw this. I got in not in trouble on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but there was a kerfluffle about a year ago. It
Speaker 1: was called like spider is and everyone was mad at
Speaker 1: me because I thought it was funny a boy couldn't
Speaker 1: flirt with a girl by using spiders, right, And they
Speaker 1: attacked me pretty bad, and I noticed that. So I've
Speaker 1: been talking about occultist, Satanist, deep state villains, you know,
Speaker 1: World Economic Forum, all of these super bad entities for
Speaker 1: so long, and I've been on boiler room with you
Speaker 1: for at least ten years. And you know how many
Speaker 1: people have come back to attack me from these dark sides. Zero.
Speaker 1: I have had zero pushback or mean comments, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: But about a year ago, I got so much hate
Speaker 1: mail from Orthodox boys and I'm like, not even Satanists
Speaker 1: are this like rude to me? So what is going
Speaker 1: on here? So there's got to be something to this manisphere,
Speaker 1: this adolescence red pill, which I think you know is
Speaker 1: a disguise for introducing Islam and Sharia into the consciousness
Speaker 1: of the West in through religion. I think it's starting
Speaker 1: to push the homosexual lifestyle. And I think it also
Speaker 1: starts to push the robotic lifestyle or companions with AI
Speaker 1: or you know, a machine instead of real human being.
Speaker 1: Because all of the red Pill guys are like, never
Speaker 1: get married, you can't trust a woman. They're all hypergamas,
Speaker 1: they're all liars. So the only thing you can trust
Speaker 1: is the AI.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, I think I might be
Speaker 3: bringing up something later on in the show that might
Speaker 3: make those people change their minds. I don't think you
Speaker 3: can trust the AI, is what I'm saying. Like, so
Speaker 3: I think in general not to I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: steer it away from this at all, but because I
Speaker 3: don't want to take it too far advanced in the conversation.
Speaker 3: But what we're describing here is actually just one, just
Speaker 3: one out of a million different examples of these highly
Speaker 3: categorized subcategories of things happening on social media. And I
Speaker 3: think when a company like Netflix makes a series based
Speaker 3: around a fictional scenario that hits close to the headlines
Speaker 3: and become successful, and then the whole thing goes viral
Speaker 3: and they talk about it in the news and here
Speaker 3: we are discussing it on this podcast, and other podcasters
Speaker 3: have brought this series up and reviewed it, etc. And
Speaker 3: talked about this. What you're talking about is like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what does this mean for the dynamics between men and
Speaker 3: women in society? And I think that that's important and
Speaker 3: it's always important. But the fact that it's happening and
Speaker 3: that it's in the discussion the way it is is
Speaker 3: all because it's part of this bigger issue of the
Speaker 3: social media. These things would not be so popular. They
Speaker 3: wouldn't be I think. I think a lot of people want,
Speaker 3: to let me put it this way, would possibly want
Speaker 3: to identify in some of these groups, these online chatrooms
Speaker 3: and these organizations and say they are an in or
Speaker 3: what claim to be identify as or whatever, just for
Speaker 3: that purpose because it gives them a sense of purpose,
Speaker 3: It gives them an identity. And they see people online
Speaker 3: on social media who are influencers. Think about that word
Speaker 3: obviously influence. What are they influencing?
Speaker 2: Parents? They're influencing your kids below.
Speaker 3: So like you got people like the and your tates
Speaker 3: and you brought up the Ortheedox Bros. They probably have
Speaker 3: like a tight knit community where people feel like they
Speaker 3: belong and as a member of the Social Rejects Club,
Speaker 3: which is the unofficial name for the people who listen
Speaker 3: to and hang out and are on the boiler room
Speaker 3: and associated with ACR. The our way of thinking, we
Speaker 3: call ourselves social rejects because we've been rejected socially from
Speaker 3: all these other groups, but we're still stuck inside of
Speaker 3: our own.
Speaker 2: Group, you know.
Speaker 3: So I struggle with these things sometimes, But I think
Speaker 3: what you're mentioning here is hit home with you as
Speaker 3: a woman, right and in a relationship the way God intended,
Speaker 3: you know, with your husband and everything. So I think,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just it escapes my world, my
Speaker 3: current reality. So I think that's why it doesn't affect
Speaker 3: me so much. I'm not going to be swayed by
Speaker 3: someone's opinion that I see online. That's not going to
Speaker 3: dictate how I feel about women. And also, when I
Speaker 3: hear a person who happens to be a woman, and
Speaker 3: I know what a woman is and I'm not a biologist,
Speaker 3: I don't have to be a biologist to know what
Speaker 3: a woman is, duh.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge them for what they say.
Speaker 3: Because every human being, whether they're male or female, has
Speaker 3: the right to be heard and give their opinion. And
Speaker 3: if they're completely wrong, well, hey, it might be my
Speaker 3: job to try to convince them otherwise. But I don't
Speaker 3: need to sit there judge them, troll them, heckle them.
Speaker 3: And these are things, These are phenomenons. It's cyberbully them.
Speaker 3: These are phenomenons which again, only exist in this reality.
Speaker 2: Of social media.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about something like when did people start
Speaker 3: trolling people on social media? Like when did this become
Speaker 3: a thing? Why is this a thing? Like I've never
Speaker 3: ever understood that to this day.
Speaker 2: I don't get.
Speaker 3: And then but reviewing some of these talking points that
Speaker 3: we're going to go over later on about social I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, this is yet again another manifestation of
Speaker 3: the thing known as social media. So I don't think
Speaker 3: it's necessarily the insul culture or that line of thinking.
Speaker 3: Let those people be broken people and think whatever.
Speaker 2: They want to whoever they are. I'm not even judging
Speaker 2: the manisphere at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not judging feminists, but I'm just saying, let
Speaker 3: feminists be feminists.
Speaker 2: Let the manosphere or big manisphere.
Speaker 3: But it's the social media that can take these things,
Speaker 3: whipped them up in a blender, cause it to be
Speaker 3: used as weaponized data against you in order to manipulate
Speaker 3: your behavior and turn you into something that you may
Speaker 3: not have ever ever considered being before.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's nice.
Speaker 1: Data is exactly what we're talking about. And in a minute,
Speaker 1: we're going to go over this book Ten arguments for
Speaker 1: deleting your social media account right now. And I know
Speaker 1: you're not going to do it, you guys out there,
Speaker 1: but just remember, like I remember, that this phone is
Speaker 1: trying to get me to do something and it is
Speaker 1: usurping my free will. So back to adolescence. I actually
Speaker 1: thought this was a pretty good show just as a drama.
Speaker 1: In the way that it was filmed, it was very creative.
Speaker 1: Every episode was one continuous scene, so I don't know
Speaker 1: how they, I mean, so talented, and even the children
Speaker 1: actors on point. Every scene was just very dramatic and
Speaker 1: enthralling and it really pulls you in. So that was
Speaker 1: just a point I had about the actual technical aspect
Speaker 1: of the show itself. But it is about a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old boy named Jamie. So all the Jamie's, they're
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the world. I know, we're also hypergamas.
Speaker 1: But his name is Jamie. They call him Jay, which
Speaker 1: was kind of funny. But this character is an amalgam
Speaker 1: of different news stories about young boys being involved in
Speaker 1: knife crimes in the UK, and all of these stories
Speaker 1: were about non white boys. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: interesting that they had they chose like a native white
Speaker 1: boy to kind of anchor the story on because the
Speaker 1: data that made up the stories of this show was
Speaker 1: about immigrant boys. So what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: I think you were not the only one who made
Speaker 3: that observation, and I think I was aware of the
Speaker 3: controversy surrounding the show in that particular department. I remember
Speaker 3: a lot of news stories coming across my feed saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: how darely Netflix? You're ignoring the elephant in the room,
Speaker 3: which is the dirty immigrants, that kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 3: low hanging fruit for conservative politics talking points.
Speaker 1: So this is getting into things like toxic masculinity, which
Speaker 1: comes across the feed a lot these days. And again
Speaker 1: I don't think masculinity is toxic, But when people are
Speaker 1: saying that there's no such thing as an inceel because
Speaker 1: grape is on the table, I think that's a really
Speaker 1: dangerous path to let adolescents direct their thought process down
Speaker 1: like they're thinking, oh, well, I can overpower a girl
Speaker 1: if I want to. So incel is not a thing.
Speaker 1: It's getting really disturbing. But I notice that they talk
Speaker 1: about the loneliness epidemic and the toxic masculinity. They're pretty
Speaker 1: gentle with the due process when they come to arrest.
Speaker 1: And so there has been a murder at the school
Speaker 1: and they have him on films, so they're trying to
Speaker 1: get some kind of confession or motive out of him,
Speaker 1: and they're offering him cornflakes. They're being sweet as pie,
Speaker 1: and he insists that he's innocent under arrest and they're
Speaker 1: asking him his favorite subjects. He's talking about history. He's
Speaker 1: talking about the Industrial Revolution. For some reason, I'm like,
Speaker 1: thirteen year old boy is looking at Brunel in the
Speaker 1: Industrial Revolution. So I thought that was a weird thing
Speaker 1: to throw in there.
Speaker 2: Is it implied he learned that by hanging out with
Speaker 2: the manosphere Burrows later on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So they're saying that his motives and basically
Speaker 1: his brain has been hijacked with these ideas. They go
Speaker 1: through all of the classic talking points. You know, the
Speaker 1: whole eighty percent of women initiate all the divorces and
Speaker 1: only twenty percent of men get the eighty percent of
Speaker 1: women because of attraction differentials. And it's just it's also
Speaker 1: crazy when you think about it, and it leads to
Speaker 1: I know, we talked about this with Father Deacon. A
Speaker 1: lot of boys hitting themselves in the ace with a
Speaker 1: hammer because they're not attractive enough and they think they
Speaker 1: can mold their bones back into a better shape.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm convinced people are just stupid Jie.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it is really really crazy. So they're trying
Speaker 1: to paint this portrait that social media and the MANACUA
Speaker 1: content in particular has uh made the students very naughty,
Speaker 1: very violent, very disrespectful, very unruly, especially to women teachers.
Speaker 1: I mean, the boys say, I don't have to listen
Speaker 1: to you because you're just a woman. You hold no
Speaker 1: authority over me, even though she's the adult and he's
Speaker 1: the child. What else are they talking about, Oh, just
Speaker 1: what the the uh internet has taught them about how
Speaker 1: you have to trick women into fraternizing with you because
Speaker 1: there's uh it's possible to get one in the normal way.
Speaker 1: They do mention the words perma version in cell and
Speaker 1: cyber bullying with emojis. I know that's kind of silly.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 1: Me and you come from a world before the Internet.
Speaker 1: You remember that, Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, I think the closest thing we had
Speaker 3: to social media was like passing notes around in class, right, and.
Speaker 1: The world was It was almost so much better for
Speaker 1: your mental health back then. I would hate to grow
Speaker 1: up now just being expected to have some kind of
Speaker 1: online following. I mean that drives me crazy anyways, as
Speaker 1: an adult trying to get the numbers up.
Speaker 3: But back then kids could get bullied like me all
Speaker 3: the time, mercilessly, and then they wouldn't go shoot up
Speaker 3: their school.
Speaker 2: It was fun, you know, good old times. Things are
Speaker 2: changed now. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So bullying has led to actual crimes in this show,
Speaker 1: and they call it the Andrew take shite. Like I said,
Speaker 1: he's got an attitude with every female like officer teacher,
Speaker 1: and I thought this was interesting. So he has a
Speaker 1: blue collar dad with anger issues, but throughout the show
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good dad. Like he's present, He's there
Speaker 1: at the arrest, at the you know, drama, at the trial,
Speaker 1: all of these things. He cares about his son. And
Speaker 1: I think what they're trying to get across here is
Speaker 1: that the parents are not are no match for what
Speaker 1: they see online, because the parents did not slip, really,
Speaker 1: they just let him be on his computer in the room,
Speaker 1: and he was radicalized so easily.
Speaker 2: That is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see what else. So, oh, this is what
Speaker 1: I thought was entering. The victim her name was Katie,
Speaker 1: didn't even have a character. So the only footage you
Speaker 1: see is just like maybe her profile or when she
Speaker 1: fell on the police footage. She had no lines, no character,
Speaker 1: no nothing. The entire thing was about the perpetrator, the
Speaker 1: thirteen year old boy Jamie and his inner world. And
Speaker 1: so I just I was like, they pretty much erased
Speaker 1: the victim out of this whole thing and made him
Speaker 1: to be the victim because of social media.
Speaker 2: That's really fascinating. Ye I was thinking that right now.
Speaker 3: It's like, Wow, they even dehumanized the fake character for
Speaker 3: the purpose of the film.
Speaker 2: That's insane. I wonder if they did that on purpose.
Speaker 1: I wonder too, because it was such a contrast. Every scene,
Speaker 1: you know, had this little boy Jamie in it, and
Speaker 1: the actual girl that was murdered had no place in
Speaker 1: this She was just somebody who got caught up sending
Speaker 1: nudes or something in the school.
Speaker 2: And another story ripped from the headlines.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so then the boys thought that she was easy,
Speaker 1: and then when she did not take kindly to Jamie's advances,
Speaker 1: that's when he stabbed her. But she has no other
Speaker 1: role in this story but to die for this drama.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a sacrifice. Now you've really got me.
Speaker 2: Who made this movie?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, No other than Netflix, I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 1: You can look it up. It's called Adolescence. It's from
Speaker 1: this year, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I heard the writer who is involved makes is known
Speaker 3: for making these NonStop they're always wildly successful series like this.
Speaker 3: So you know, when you're wildly successful these days, that
Speaker 3: usually means you have you know, he made it to
Speaker 3: the top of the pyramid. Maybe Jamie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's he's probably in the green or the blue,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, so Adolescence was very easy on
Speaker 1: the boy who had been mind controlled by this content.
Speaker 1: And it's so hard when all of the other boys
Speaker 1: are viewing the same kind of content because now you
Speaker 1: have a clique, you have a club, you have, you're
Speaker 1: better than somebody. That's how all cults start, right, All
Speaker 1: cults and fringe groups say they have the ultimate truth,
Speaker 1: which is these stupid statistics that women are evil and
Speaker 1: we hold the keys to reality. That's how you get
Speaker 1: these tape war rooms in all these other you know,
Speaker 1: cults and offshoots, is that they think that they have
Speaker 1: some kind of ultimate truth that another group is taking
Speaker 1: from you.
Speaker 3: Which is very easy to achieve if you want to
Speaker 3: be that type of person, like a grifter or a
Speaker 3: cult leader using social media and being online. I mean again,
Speaker 3: and this, none of this would happen without that concept,
Speaker 3: this idea, because we always everything that we see on
Speaker 3: social media and online for the most part, even like
Speaker 3: on YouTube, Like what you're watching, however you're watching this
Speaker 3: right now, is like this isn't our entire life, This
Speaker 3: isn't our full twenty four hour day. It's not like
Speaker 3: that series which filmed it all in one shot. You're
Speaker 3: just getting a highlighted snapshot of our thoughts and our
Speaker 3: opinions and our feelings right now. And social media and
Speaker 3: online and these manisphered rows and the tapes they do
Speaker 3: the same thing. They show their best life This is
Speaker 3: me and my lambeaux. This is me showing off my pecks.
Speaker 3: This is me hanging out with the prown star. I
Speaker 3: got the cigar and the big fat wads of money.
Speaker 3: It's like, but that's all you see. You don't see
Speaker 3: when he's sick in the toilet, or when his mommy
Speaker 3: brings him chicken soup, or he hurt, he gets a
Speaker 3: splinter and he cries.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. We're giving this.
Speaker 3: Little, tiny, tiny pinhole snapshot of these people's lives and
Speaker 3: we try to emulate that, and it causes a problem.
Speaker 3: But if this series wants to imply that that in
Speaker 3: itself is a problem, I would argue with that, because.
Speaker 2: Did the series, did the Is there going to be
Speaker 2: a sequel? Is this a NonStop?
Speaker 4: On me?
Speaker 3: If the Internet and the Manisphere and the influence is
Speaker 3: so powerful and people are being radicalized, how come that
Speaker 3: didn't happen to every single child in that high school?
Speaker 3: How come every single female student and teacher weren't stabbed?
Speaker 3: It was just this one incident of one broken kid
Speaker 3: stabbing one victim.
Speaker 2: You see what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why doesn't this happen to everybody? So some people
Speaker 1: are more susceptible to these things, and the phone knows
Speaker 1: what kind of person even you are, so it will
Speaker 1: us get weird. It monitors your heart rate, you're breathing,
Speaker 1: your pupil dilation, where you're looking at the screen is
Speaker 1: tracking all of these things that knows you better than
Speaker 1: you know itself yourself. And I kind of like my
Speaker 1: algorithm because I'm not a weird o pervert. But it
Speaker 1: shops for me, like it will show me things that, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: I absolutely do want that dress, and it knows exactly
Speaker 1: like my taste and my specifications and what I like.
Speaker 1: So it does a lot of hard work for me
Speaker 1: when it comes to like looking good.
Speaker 3: True story, I used to fight the algorithm. I was
Speaker 3: like when I when I first learned about all this
Speaker 3: stuff a long time ago, when the only social media
Speaker 3: I had was Facebook, and when I signed up for
Speaker 3: Facebook day one, it was like it was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: tell us a little bit about yourself. And this was
Speaker 3: many many years ago, obviously, and to tell what books
Speaker 3: do you like? And I'm like, wait a minute, I'm
Speaker 3: not telling you what books I like, right, Like, well,
Speaker 3: tell us some movies and music and bands, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, and then I realized that by liking
Speaker 3: and following people, I was worried. I didn't even want
Speaker 3: to follow anybody I would like, I'd have to type
Speaker 3: their name. So if I was like if it was
Speaker 3: back then, I'd be like, Okay, let me find out
Speaker 3: what Jay Dyer's doing, I'd have to look for Jay
Speaker 3: Dyer just to find his profile and see this. But
Speaker 3: because I refused to follow people, because I didn't want
Speaker 3: to teach the algorithm that I'm one of those dirty
Speaker 3: people that's into this kind of stuff, I was scared
Speaker 3: of it up from the very beginning. But and so
Speaker 3: then I decided to get rebellious because you know, around
Speaker 3: that time, I became Bruckus or whatever, right, and I thought, well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mess with it. So not only do I
Speaker 3: not want the algorithm to know anything about me, I
Speaker 3: want it to be fed complete lies about me. So
Speaker 3: I was liking and following Lady Gaga, politicians, celebrities, sports teams,
Speaker 3: all this crap that I absolutely don't give an f about,
Speaker 3: just trying to mess with the algorithm. And I will
Speaker 3: tell you something, never once did I ever get fed
Speaker 3: any of that content, which is very, very strange. I always,
Speaker 3: no matter what I like or what I do, was
Speaker 3: getting fade fed whatever the mainstream propaganda was, and so
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, wait a minute, this is a trick, right.
Speaker 3: And then you know, not long after that, we had
Speaker 3: the well we'll talk about that later, but the Cambridge
Speaker 3: Analytica thing, and then you realized, oh, this has been
Speaker 3: one great, big experiment to study us and learn our behaviors.
Speaker 2: And suck up all this data. But what are they
Speaker 2: going to do with it?
Speaker 3: Oh well, it turns out they're going to use it
Speaker 3: to not just predict our behavior, but manipulate our behavior,
Speaker 3: as you know exampled in this television show The Adolescence.
Speaker 1: Right, nah, manipulate the mostly the orange group, most of
Speaker 1: humanity living you know, day to day's survival. These are
Speaker 1: the normies, the sins, the NPCs, which thank God for
Speaker 1: these people because they keep the world running in normalcy. Okay,
Speaker 1: we can't all be like crazy out there magicians rooil hats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh we'll get to that in a second, because all
Speaker 1: of these people are afraid of being replaced. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's trying to turn you into a sim a follower
Speaker 1: of the people in the green level, And let's get
Speaker 1: to this book, the Ten Arguments for Deleting this crap,
Speaker 1: because it's just getting worse and worse, and I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't think Twitter is any better than it ever was.
Speaker 1: I hated just as much. I've always hated Facebook because
Speaker 1: my post don't go anywhere. I'm maxed out on friends,
Speaker 1: but I get zero thumbs or likes or comments are
Speaker 1: nothing like, it's crickets. So why do I have ten
Speaker 1: thousand people waiting to my friend on Facebook and no
Speaker 1: one comments anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Facebook is a yeah. I gave up on Facebook
Speaker 2: a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I recently dived back headlong first into Twitter since it
Speaker 3: became x and started developing my personal account. I had
Speaker 3: like another account that I've had for years that I
Speaker 3: adopted from somebody else, so it wasn't even my own
Speaker 3: real account. So I created my own one a few
Speaker 3: years ago and been building it up ever since, and
Speaker 3: since doing my show The Daily Ruckus I need it,
Speaker 3: I was like, so I pitched the eight dollars a
Speaker 3: month for the Blue Check market. It's useful for me
Speaker 3: to produce my own content and put it out there,
Speaker 3: but it's still just as useless to me. As Facebook
Speaker 3: is for trying to find again, I got the feed
Speaker 3: in the following and I still have to go find
Speaker 3: the people that I care about, to find some good stuff,
Speaker 3: to learn about what's happening in the world, or to share.
Speaker 2: Again, the feeds are useless. What is the algorithm doing.
Speaker 3: It's like we were promised all this great stuff, the
Speaker 3: best algorithm that they ever created way back in the day.
Speaker 3: It might have been one of the first original ones.
Speaker 3: From what I understand, I did some research about this
Speaker 3: year why ago Pandora. Remember when Pandora came out and
Speaker 3: they were like, oh, since you liked this song, here's
Speaker 3: a song we think you might like, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I do like that song. That was probably one of
Speaker 3: the most phenomenal, perfect examples of a personalized algorithm that
Speaker 3: I could.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm down with that.
Speaker 3: But I think that they took that and then created
Speaker 3: this monster, all these monsters that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: Today, and they're creating monsters out of people too. So
Speaker 1: it's not just the tech ghoolie, it's the people that
Speaker 1: turn into monsters because of what the algorithm is feeding them.
Speaker 1: So this book by Jate Jaren Okay, Yeah, he looks
Speaker 1: like an interesting character. He's got those dreads, the white
Speaker 1: guy dreads. Yes, he looks like a you know Techi
Speaker 1: rosta guy.
Speaker 3: Plays music too. Oh really, yeah, he's a musician. I
Speaker 3: forget what he plays.
Speaker 1: So, uh, that's unique. So he wrote this book in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen because he just saw that how social media
Speaker 1: was destroying how we connect with each other on a
Speaker 1: very substantial level. So he was the interdisciplinary scientist at Microsoft,
Speaker 1: and he says that we are under constant surveillance, prodded
Speaker 1: by algorithms that make that make people make money off
Speaker 1: of your behavior. So now we've got money and income
Speaker 1: into this. And that was even before a lot of
Speaker 1: these things were monetized. So in twenty eighteen, Twitter wasn't monetized.
Speaker 1: I think YouTube was monetized by that time. But social
Speaker 1: media has become even more important to people because of
Speaker 1: the income that you can make.
Speaker 3: Off Facebook ads were definitely that was the thing. So yeah,
Speaker 3: advertisers were you know, in case, you know, in case
Speaker 3: the viewer is not aware. But you can learn all
Speaker 3: that in this book right here and from other people.
Speaker 3: Social media you're basically you're the product and your data
Speaker 3: and you and your behavior, and all of that stuff
Speaker 3: was being sold to the real consumer customer of the
Speaker 3: social media, which were the advertisers, and that was all.
Speaker 3: You know, It wasn't just Google doing that, but it
Speaker 3: was Facebook. Facebook was the real first big boy other
Speaker 3: than Google to be doing that stuff.
Speaker 1: And did you know that Facebook started off as a
Speaker 1: ranking girls in college competition. So it started off as
Speaker 1: just a little website.
Speaker 2: Where that's what they say.
Speaker 1: The boys can log on and rank all the girls.
Speaker 2: But he's saying it is better than stabbing them.
Speaker 1: I guess, right, Ah, yeah, I guess. So we were
Speaker 1: being hypnotized little by little, by technicians we can't see
Speaker 1: for purposes. We don't know. We're all lab animals now.
Speaker 1: And they say that if the product is free, then
Speaker 1: you are the product, right or your media?
Speaker 3: Everybody knows by now they got the create. How come
Speaker 3: Google just sent me a Gmail when they how did
Speaker 3: they know I was searching on Facebook for underwear or whatever?
Speaker 1: It knows it even listens to what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean thousands of people have said, uh, we were
Speaker 1: just talking about this, and then I got to add
Speaker 1: for that, and then one step further he was like,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking of something and an ad popped up.
Speaker 3: That's where it gets super creepy. Yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that I mean that means is it telling
Speaker 1: you what to think? Or is it reading your mind?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Where is it going? Right?
Speaker 2: So he's where does it end and where do you begin?
Speaker 1: Right? He says, through continuously adjusted simuli, advertising becomes behavior modification.
Speaker 1: And this is the sorcery we always talk about. This
Speaker 1: is the when we go back to Freud and Burnet's
Speaker 1: and how they changed and shaped culture with the advertising
Speaker 1: of Madison Avenue and then up into you know, the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties with the subliminal messages. Social media is
Speaker 1: just a more advanced way to do that.
Speaker 3: It's still media, right. They didn't take that word out
Speaker 3: of it, did they, right?
Speaker 1: And what is the cultural media but the Petri dish
Speaker 1: that these scientists egg, you know, introduced the bacteria or
Speaker 1: the things and see what grows and what doesn't.
Speaker 3: And of course media is plural for medium and we
Speaker 3: all know what a medium.
Speaker 1: Is, right, Yes, it is a person who is the
Speaker 1: intermediary between you know, the spirit world and the mundane world.
Speaker 3: Why do they pick these names? Why do they pick
Speaker 3: these words when they create these things, they'll never understand.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yeah, that's a good word for that.
Speaker 3: Don't you think someone's gonna question? No, Now, we'll just
Speaker 3: go there, like, well, we're creating radio television. What should
Speaker 3: we call each of these two. We'll call them channels?
Speaker 1: Yeah, channels a point because they were channeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do we call this show? We'll call it programming? Okay,
Speaker 2: why did.
Speaker 1: The program a computer?
Speaker 2: They're programming us.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're programming our biocomputer, which is our brain. Media,
Speaker 1: It wasn't media. Goddess. I'm looking that up right now too.
Speaker 2: That might be too. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: There you go is known in most stories as a
Speaker 1: sorceress and associated with pharma KaiA, So that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So there's your Greek Greek connection to your goddess connection.
Speaker 1: He said, before computers, there were studies in behaviorism. So
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about with Bernese and psychology, the
Speaker 1: Freudian path versus the Youngian path or the other people
Speaker 1: who had different ideas about how to get people out
Speaker 1: of these existential mental crisises. But he said, for the
Speaker 1: early behaviorism people, you know you've got Pavlov right and
Speaker 1: his bell and the salivating dogs, and so who is
Speaker 1: hungry and who's not? You've got be a skinner and
Speaker 1: his animals getting treats. You've got, uh who else? Can
Speaker 1: you think of anybody else that was doing these mind
Speaker 1: control Well.
Speaker 2: I was always a bigger fan of the negative reinforcement.
Speaker 1: Not just kidding, the punishment, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bad dog, just kidding.
Speaker 1: Well, so we're talking about is operate conditioning, which is
Speaker 1: streamlined to perfection almost with social media and the Internet,
Speaker 1: and these are basically behavior modification empires, Facebook X, all
Speaker 1: of these social media websites. He has a nickname for them,
Speaker 1: which he calls Bummer.
Speaker 2: The bummer business model, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: The bummer machine, which is something like your brain on
Speaker 1: sale for these advertisers. All come to the actual thing
Speaker 1: in a second book, Yeah, the War for the data
Speaker 1: of your mind.
Speaker 3: The real bummer is that the people who do this
Speaker 3: to us on a daily basis know exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They don't care.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they won't even let their kids use it.
Speaker 1: They don't use it because they know. And spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: at the end of this book he's going to go
Speaker 1: into AI. In the very last pages like this is
Speaker 1: an AI cult that these.
Speaker 2: It was written seven years ago.
Speaker 1: He wrote that book, right, Yeah, and he would know.
Speaker 1: So even the former Facebook cegos agree that this is
Speaker 1: a dopamine driven feedback loop and it is destroying how
Speaker 1: society works. And they create a great creating it, some
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they do. Yeah, yeah, try I try again.
Speaker 2: I'm not buying that.
Speaker 3: The dopamine thing, that's actually a huge part of all
Speaker 3: of this because, like, because that's the new piece to
Speaker 3: all of this. Sure, we've had the media and the
Speaker 3: propaganda and the persuasion and all of these things, right,
Speaker 3: behavior modification and the studies and the research, but now
Speaker 3: we're going to introduce the gaming, the gamification of it
Speaker 3: with the dopamine hit. Same thing with the gambling, right,
Speaker 3: and you get the lights and the sounds and the
Speaker 3: mechanical behavior of the swiping. Remember seeing the videos of
Speaker 3: the babies who were sleeping taking the napsuck in the
Speaker 3: thumb and they were just still swiping in their sleep. Okay,
Speaker 3: So there is a mechanical like physical addiction going on
Speaker 3: here involved with all of these things. Because of what
Speaker 3: you keep bringing up, the little black mirror device that
Speaker 3: you carry in your pocket, big brother, and my purse right,
Speaker 3: the phone, the device, right, which is a very important
Speaker 3: key part of all of this. But yeah, the dopamine
Speaker 3: thing is is huge because and it's evil. It's evil evil.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: Well, what they took is they literally took the basic
Speaker 3: human desire for connection with other human beings and turned
Speaker 3: it into a drug. They monetized it, but they turned
Speaker 3: our need for connecting with other human beings into a drug,
Speaker 3: these morofos.
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, that you're exactly right. And I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: when they do studies with rats in the laboratory and
Speaker 1: they give them an addictive substance and if it's strong enough,
Speaker 1: they'll just like keep eating it until they die. Well,
Speaker 1: they found out that the reason these rats do this
Speaker 1: is because they have no rat friends, they have no
Speaker 1: rat families, they have no rat habitat. They're just a
Speaker 1: lone rat in a cage. Of course, he's just going
Speaker 1: to keep on eating the stuff until he dies because
Speaker 1: he's got nothing else to do. But you can use
Speaker 1: this as a metaphor for people too. If you've got friends,
Speaker 1: if you've got family, if you've got people, tell you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got people around you, like in the three
Speaker 1: D world that love and care about you, You're not
Speaker 1: going to be as susceptible to these dopamine uh gorges
Speaker 1: as you would normally be.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And like Billy Corgan the Smashing Pumpkins said, despite all
Speaker 3: my rage, I'm still.
Speaker 1: Just a yes, all my rage. Yeah, he knew. So
Speaker 1: you're carrying around your your rat cage in your pocket
Speaker 1: and the cage is in your mind, man, right, Like
Speaker 1: you got to free your mind first. And this is
Speaker 1: you know where Christianity and christ really helps, because that
Speaker 1: is the beginning of freedom is up here and you
Speaker 1: can actually be a slave in the real world and
Speaker 1: be freer than your masters if your mind is in
Speaker 1: the correct place.
Speaker 2: Your mind and the rest will follow.
Speaker 1: There's another song, your mind, don't be so shadow exactly.
Speaker 1: So Facebook, well, their old model, i mean their old
Speaker 1: motto was move fast and break things, did you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And this is kind of what you see with the
Speaker 1: tech bros. And like the Doge and Elon Musk and stuff.
Speaker 1: They're like that's their the way they operate. They just
Speaker 1: get in there and they break things and they will
Speaker 1: fix them later and who cares. We'll just like they
Speaker 1: make it.
Speaker 3: They call it disruptive technologies, right, disruptive businesses, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're still being disruptive anyways.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like the whole deconstruction, I don't really
Speaker 1: adhere to that. I don't want to like plow it
Speaker 1: down and spill from scratch. I am a proponent of
Speaker 1: working with what we have and where we're at. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go back to any other weird place,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to like live in the techno future.
Speaker 1: I want to like just grow and use what we
Speaker 1: have already.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the people in the green on your chart, their
Speaker 3: practice the order ab KO, and they believe this is
Speaker 3: the only way for them to achieve their desired outcomes
Speaker 3: is by tearing everything down, build back better, baby.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, deconstruct accelerationism, all of this stuff to break down.
Speaker 1: It's very alchemical, it's very sorcery. It's very like, uh,
Speaker 1: solve a and coagula, right, a magician. So he's saying,
Speaker 1: oh the models, Yeah, so move fast and break things
Speaker 1: is a Facebook old motto. And then do you remember
Speaker 1: when Google's old model was don't be evil.
Speaker 3: Don't be Oh absolutely, they tried to erase that from history.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, they'll they'll they'll straight up just
Speaker 3: deny that. Now. I think they're going to make that disappear. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I definitely remember that. They made a whole documentary about that.
Speaker 3: Was actually one of the things that I was like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, I remember watching this documentary that I can't
Speaker 3: remember the name of for the life of me. I
Speaker 3: was trying to find it to watch it again sometime
Speaker 3: this week. But yeah, like that was their motto, and
Speaker 3: they know all, they understand everything about the way the
Speaker 3: algorithms work, and the biggest amount of data we've been
Speaker 3: feeding that a people forget about is inside the search
Speaker 3: bar when we type say something to look up. We
Speaker 3: think we're looking for information, but this whole time we've
Speaker 3: been feeding the information to them. And then of course
Speaker 3: they used that to train their chat GPTs. But we'll
Speaker 3: get into that later.
Speaker 1: So he says that everybody that uses social media, you
Speaker 1: can become an addict, right, like a full blown addict, tweaker.
Speaker 1: I get nervous if I don't know where my phone is,
Speaker 1: or if I haven't checked my emails in a couple hours,
Speaker 1: or if I haven't you know, looked at what's going
Speaker 1: on on X today. I'm like, it's not my addiction.
Speaker 1: I'm just monitoring the situation. But no, I need to
Speaker 1: get off it and stop doom scrolling. And how many
Speaker 1: times has Jay walked in and been like, don't just scroll, babe,
Speaker 1: don't just scroll, babe, don't just scroll, like I hear
Speaker 1: him multiple times a day, don't just scroll Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get on, I post my crap, and I get
Speaker 1: off and make more original content.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: The doom scroll might be a new phenomenon since he
Speaker 3: wrote that book, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he's saying like this is so addicting you
Speaker 1: cannot help but become an addict. And then number two,
Speaker 1: all addicts become liars because the addiction grows and grows
Speaker 1: and you have to hide it.
Speaker 2: So you have this this where it gets weird to me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is a problem with the kids because the
Speaker 3: parents who are trying to like keep the kids off
Speaker 3: of it or something, But like, I don't, I don't
Speaker 3: feel like I need to hide the fact that I'm
Speaker 3: using social media from something like Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's just a danger for somebody who's addicted to
Speaker 1: a social media to become addicted to other things like
Speaker 1: pornography or like it's a gateway drug, right, and it's
Speaker 1: programming your brain to it's frying out your dopamines basically, right.
Speaker 3: I guess I see you because like TikTok's not enough,
Speaker 3: Like that that didn't didn't appease them, It didn't take
Speaker 3: too long before Well now we need TikTok challenges, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: And shorter and shorter. I mean, I know my attention
Speaker 1: span is uh getting worse and worse, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like I've accomplished something if I watch a movie from.
Speaker 3: See that's that's again related to this dopamine thing. And
Speaker 3: and the AI is a bigger problem with this, which
Speaker 3: again hopefully we'll talk about later. But again, so social
Speaker 3: media before the entrance of the AI again, I want
Speaker 3: to get I don't want to get ahead of myself here.
Speaker 3: It was already rewiring our brains the way we use
Speaker 3: and interact with people and things on social media.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he brought that up in the
Speaker 2: book or not.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. We're rewiring your brain to the addict
Speaker 1: model behavior, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's it's not it's not spec to social media, but
Speaker 3: because it's become addictive, this is what happens to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then he goes on to say it's not
Speaker 1: always about pleasure because it also uses punishment and negative reinforcement.
Speaker 1: Your favorite, right, rage bait? So do you get raged everything? Well,
Speaker 1: it creates trolls because now everyone's addicted to the rage bait.
Speaker 1: I am a victim of this. Oh and oh, I
Speaker 1: forgot to mention with the manisphere and the cults and everything.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you can give somebody the superiority complex
Speaker 1: and a victim mentality at the same time, then you
Speaker 1: can empty their pockets.
Speaker 3: Holy moly, that's what psychopaths do to take advantage of
Speaker 3: people weird exactly.
Speaker 1: So all of these podcast bros and these creators who
Speaker 1: think are just like cool guys who want to see
Speaker 1: you become a cool guy. No, they are selling you,
Speaker 1: hook Line Sinker a superiority complex with your victim mentality,
Speaker 1: and now everything else is everything is someone else's fault.
Speaker 3: Right the main because it's probably not because they're satanic
Speaker 3: or evil though, Jamie, it's just because they're trying to
Speaker 3: make a lot of money grifting off of you.
Speaker 1: So it's okay, yeah, it's just greed. That really chaps
Speaker 1: my hide sometimes when that's the only thing that people
Speaker 1: can think motivates these technocrats is greed, I'm like, you
Speaker 1: got to think outside the box. Man. They're demon possessed. Okay,
Speaker 1: They're humans who have knowingly gained aligned with the devil
Speaker 1: and they hate humanity.
Speaker 3: So they're almosting those grifters that I just mentioned. They're
Speaker 3: not part of the upper echelon at all.
Speaker 1: No, but they the upper echelon uses them to influence
Speaker 1: the most people.
Speaker 2: Right, very important that you bring that up.
Speaker 1: So, and the way they do this is through rage
Speaker 1: based So they have noticed that people will engage more
Speaker 1: with social media content if it makes them angry. So
Speaker 1: it's not even about making your little happies in your dopamines.
Speaker 1: It's about controlling you by whatever means they can. And
Speaker 1: negative emotions is more powerful than positive emotions. And there's
Speaker 1: a reason for that, because you know, if you get hurt,
Speaker 1: you want to remember I stepped on that thing, or
Speaker 1: I burnt myself or you know whatever things are steered
Speaker 1: into your memory because you're trying to your brain is
Speaker 1: trying to protect its body. You remember negative things more
Speaker 1: than you remember positive things because you don't have to
Speaker 1: for survival.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's good. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: So social media is both the treats and the electric shocks.
Speaker 2: Like it's just very unique. I don't I can't think
Speaker 2: of anything else that's like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you it's like the thing that shocks the
Speaker 1: rat and it's the little treat that comes out of
Speaker 1: the shoot because the negative emotions are easier engagement. He
Speaker 1: also says that addicts become zombies. They lose their obviously
Speaker 1: their ability to exercise free will because you're addicted to something.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be doing this, but you do
Speaker 1: it anyways, and that is going against your own self.
Speaker 1: That's weird, isn't it insidious? And here you just thought
Speaker 1: you were interacting with a bunch of cool people and
Speaker 1: I just you know, follow my friends on Instagram. But no,
Speaker 1: you're being sucked in and turned into some kind of zombie.
Speaker 1: The more that you use.
Speaker 3: That and you know nothing about those people that you're
Speaker 3: interacting with online, I mean, especially these days. Again, I
Speaker 3: don't want to get ahead of myself, but they might
Speaker 3: not even be real people.
Speaker 1: Just saying, oh, that's been proved a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the Tradwife's accounts that you know
Speaker 1: do this, like Super Submissive BDSM, tradwife cause place, those
Speaker 1: have been proven to be men. And then a lot
Speaker 1: of the red pill manisphere comes from Pakistan.
Speaker 3: Hey man, if you know, if it's going to get
Speaker 3: you the clicks and the views and the likes, and
Speaker 3: you can sell a sponsored product and make an affiliate commission,
Speaker 3: do it right.
Speaker 1: You get this illusion that these are just like well
Speaker 1: meaning and like socialized people that have thought really hard
Speaker 1: about things and this is their valuable opinion. But I
Speaker 1: have noticed that most of this crap is just people
Speaker 1: who are drunk posting things on X or from the toilet.
Speaker 1: So that's what the only thing that makes me feel
Speaker 1: better when I get a negative comment, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: probably was from a person taking a dump and they
Speaker 1: just like, screw you, and so what do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: That's another part of the social media emboldens so many
Speaker 3: of us to be a holes. And I know he
Speaker 3: talks about that in this book for darn sure, because
Speaker 3: we feel falsely so that we're anonymous online, right, Like
Speaker 3: the Ruckus. Like when I became Ruckus a long time ago.
Speaker 3: The only reason I was Ruckus because I didn't want
Speaker 3: anyone to know that that's Adam Clark doing all this
Speaker 3: and saying these things I was scared of do. And
Speaker 3: then I when I did a podcast, like, no one
Speaker 3: can know who I really am. My friends Hesher and
Speaker 3: Sport didn't even know my real name, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So I was like, so it was a
Speaker 3: big decision of mine, you know, not that long ago,
Speaker 3: you know, right around the P word time, the mysterious
Speaker 3: disease that shut down the world. That when I came
Speaker 3: back out of the you know, retirement, I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be my full name. You know,
Speaker 3: people still know me as Ruckus, so I'll be like,
Speaker 3: it's Adam Clark, but AKA, you still know me as Ruckus,
Speaker 3: and I still go by Ruckus of course. But I'm
Speaker 3: not afraid to be who I really am, you know.
Speaker 3: And that was a big problem because when you're hiding
Speaker 3: behind a person, a fake personality or a name. Youah, sure,
Speaker 3: I'm an on air personality now, but I am who
Speaker 3: and you know what I say, am. You just have
Speaker 3: to take my word for that. Don't take my word
Speaker 3: for that. I want you to do your own research.
Speaker 3: That's what Bill Cooper would say. But I mean at
Speaker 3: least a real human being. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: grift anybody. Obviously you could see I'm skinny, I don't
Speaker 3: eat much. I don't have a lot of money. I
Speaker 3: don't make money doing this. I do this because it's
Speaker 3: fun for me. It's a hobby and I think it's
Speaker 3: important to have these discussions. And a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't have the know how, the talent, or the willingness
Speaker 3: to do this. So those who can do that's why
Speaker 3: you guys do this, I think. But you know, but again,
Speaker 3: when you're hiding behind anonymous I'm user of big Balls.
Speaker 2: I'm big Balls on Twitter.
Speaker 3: The guy who joined the Dog and then he's now
Speaker 3: part of the US government. It's like, because nobody wants
Speaker 3: to know that that guy's real name is Jason Spencer
Speaker 3: or whatever it might be. Sorry if your name's Jason Spencer.
Speaker 3: I'm using that as an example here. So when we're
Speaker 3: hiding behind things and names, then we act like complete
Speaker 3: a holes and it causes this problem and then the
Speaker 3: rage baiting is like snowballs and you've been there, and
Speaker 3: the next thing you know, you're like, yeah, I'm ready
Speaker 3: to just take a break from social media. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: that was a lot of work. Just scrolling my doom
Speaker 3: feed today. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we don't get in fights about very much,
Speaker 1: but when he does get annoyed with me, it's because
Speaker 1: I got rage baited. Right. He's like, just put the
Speaker 1: phone down if no one is hurting you, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: but they said this thing, and he's right, you know.
Speaker 2: I just got the t okay, the trolls.
Speaker 3: I used to have to try to get the last
Speaker 3: word in with the trolls, and I'd made it into
Speaker 3: a game and.
Speaker 2: I got really good about it.
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh my god, I'm wasting like
Speaker 3: hours just responding to these trolls. My new tactic that
Speaker 3: I started doing probably about four or five years ago. Now, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's about right. Is I just if they start trolling,
Speaker 3: I block them and I don't have to ever see
Speaker 3: or hear from them again. But that doesn't work on Twitter, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: because every person that I stopped following and block I
Speaker 3: still have to see on my feed. I don't understand
Speaker 3: how that works. It's because everyone else I follow still
Speaker 3: follows them and reposts their crap tries me insane. But anyways, yeah,
Speaker 3: just brought them and walk away. Your life is so
Speaker 3: much easier.
Speaker 1: I don't have very many people blocked because I don't
Speaker 1: want to give them the satisfaction because then they'll just
Speaker 1: like post, oh Jamie blocked me. So I just mute
Speaker 1: them so I know who's an idiot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the other option yet, just as well as
Speaker 3: you don't have to see it and just you just
Speaker 3: they don't exist out of sight, out of mind.
Speaker 1: And if I see a comment from a post that
Speaker 1: it says what you have muted this person and I
Speaker 1: click on it, I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember why,
Speaker 1: Like now I know why. So quitting social media, according
Speaker 1: to this book, is the best way to resist insanity.
Speaker 1: And this is the chapter. He calls it the bummer machine,
Speaker 1: behaviors of users modified and made into an empire for rent.
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty loose acronym for bummer. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's saying, your brain, your mind, your behavior is for rent, right.
Speaker 3: And who's renting, who's buying space in your brain? That's
Speaker 3: probably what we should figure out.
Speaker 1: Zucky buck Musk, all of these technocrats.
Speaker 3: And they use in less unless it's election season and
Speaker 3: then they take a break and it's it's all every
Speaker 3: politician doing it to you, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's like who what politician do they
Speaker 1: align with? Like these people know everything about politics and
Speaker 1: who's the best candidate. And it's just crazy how people
Speaker 1: follow celebrities like they know they know the first thing
Speaker 1: about who to vote for. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Johnny Depp, he's my personal advisor on everything.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, vote the way he votes for sure. Or
Speaker 1: Sean Penn like he's the worst pretender who sued in politics,
Speaker 1: like he knows what's going on. But anyways, he says
Speaker 1: attention acquisition leading to asshole supremacy. So this is one
Speaker 1: of the first tenants of the bummer machine, which is
Speaker 1: all of these social media groups. They are trying to
Speaker 1: acquisition your attention and leading to asshole supremacy that you
Speaker 1: just mentioned. Being an apple is incentivized because assholary equals
Speaker 1: attention equals currency. And this is back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: The attention economy. Maybe y'all have heard that term before.
Speaker 3: That's what all that is. Yeah, it's just sad to
Speaker 3: know that, to say, it's the bad stuff that wins
Speaker 3: over on the good stuff. So you're telling me the
Speaker 3: keyboard cat and the happy pictures of your kids is
Speaker 3: getting less views on Facebook than the woman beating up
Speaker 3: the guy in the burger king line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly people aren't as interested in puppies as they
Speaker 1: are in you know, stupid rage baiting people. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just so wild to me that there are certain
Speaker 1: characters online that wake up and choose violence or choose
Speaker 1: to say the most thing that will offend the most
Speaker 1: amount of people, Like this is literally on someone's mind
Speaker 1: as to do today. I'm gonna think of the worst
Speaker 1: thing I could ever possibly say to get attention.
Speaker 2: Who does that? That's weird?
Speaker 1: I can name twenty people?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean, like.
Speaker 1: Regular does that? Nobody? Because it's dangerous when you think
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, if you have millions of followers
Speaker 1: and you're pissing off an entire swath of people, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have some kind of repercussion. I mean, people are
Speaker 1: gonna show up on your doorstep and fall down your stairs,
Speaker 1: and I have you heard that story. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to name names but when you focus on being an asshole,
Speaker 1: it's going to crop up in your real life and
Speaker 1: nobody's fault but you. And that's when they They always
Speaker 1: say victim Olympics. Oh, the left is victim Olympics, and
Speaker 1: then they tweet the worst thing they can think of.
Speaker 1: And when someone pushes back, Oh, who's the victim? Now, No,
Speaker 1: someone came to my house. Some victims. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Being a victim is very popular too.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, so is butting into everyone's lives.
Speaker 2: He says, that's the part I hate the lead the most.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is what gets me. I have realized
Speaker 1: nothing is good enough for you people, not you, ruckus,
Speaker 1: not my fans. I'm saying, the people that are out
Speaker 1: there that judge me or have comments, you can keep
Speaker 1: your stupid comments in your pocket, because nothing is ever
Speaker 1: going to be good enough for you. I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: be feminine enough. I'm never gonna be Christian enough. I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna be maternal enough. I'm never gonna be anti
Speaker 1: feminist enough. It is impossible to please these people, and
Speaker 1: they'll faster that you learn that as a person, the
Speaker 1: happier you're going to be, too.
Speaker 3: Well, you might be talking to me because this whole
Speaker 3: time I was wondering, Man, I really wish you wasn't
Speaker 3: wearing that wig.
Speaker 2: I hate that hair.
Speaker 1: And I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: Not natural enough. I'm never gonna make it on the internet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so budding into everyone's lives and in a way,
Speaker 1: your friends are surveilling you in a weird way, right
Speaker 1: because they're weighing in. They're judging should you be wearing that,
Speaker 1: should you be having this child? Should you be raising
Speaker 1: it this way? I'm so sick of being told how
Speaker 1: to live by anonymous people. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have has.
Speaker 2: This ever happened to you?
Speaker 3: You you got your big brother and your purse or
Speaker 3: your your magic mystical black box device in your pocket,
Speaker 3: and you walk into a grocery store or you go
Speaker 3: to best Buy and you pick up the latest edition
Speaker 3: of Grand Theft Auto six and you walk out the
Speaker 3: store and next thing you know, your friends are texting you, dude,
Speaker 3: I didn't know you got Grand Theft Auto six. How
Speaker 3: did they know that you just walked into the store
Speaker 3: and bought Grand Theft Auto six? Because these things have
Speaker 3: the NFC attached them. Near field communications, and it's interacting
Speaker 3: with all of the cool fun stuff inside the stores
Speaker 3: and sending notifications if you forgot to turn this off
Speaker 3: on your phone, letting them know where you are and
Speaker 3: what you're doing. Hey, how come they know that I'm
Speaker 3: watching Netflix? How did they know that I was playing
Speaker 3: that game? How do they know the last song I
Speaker 3: just listened to on Spotify? A lot of these apps
Speaker 3: and these social media's have incorporated that on the knowast
Speaker 3: to you. They're just ratting you out to the entire world,
Speaker 3: telling everybody what you're doing. Normally, it used to be hey,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go online and tell everybody, Hey, I
Speaker 3: just listened to this song on Spotify and I thought
Speaker 3: it was rad and I thought about you, I would share.
Speaker 2: No, now it's just telling everybody.
Speaker 3: Hey, this guy's listening to this he just watched this
Speaker 3: movie over on you know where.
Speaker 2: Just kidding, but yeah, it's getting weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah they're ratting out everybody for everything, and yeah, it's
Speaker 3: entered the real world. It's now the Internet of things
Speaker 3: and people and everything is now part of this larger problem.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, and everyone thinks they have to weigh in
Speaker 1: on everyone else's decisions. Thing is not everything is right
Speaker 1: for every person, And I think this is a problem
Speaker 1: that a lot of younger generations have, is the world
Speaker 1: is not black and white, right, The world has room
Speaker 1: for a lot of different ways of living and paths
Speaker 1: of life. I'm not saying worshiping weird gods, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying every family is unique and they have their unique needs.
Speaker 1: And you cannot say that every single man has to
Speaker 1: go to work, every single wife has to stay home,
Speaker 1: every single couple has to have this many children like
Speaker 1: you just cannot weigh in on everybody like that. And
Speaker 1: this is getting us conditioned to turn in people for
Speaker 1: social crimes.
Speaker 2: Now for being different.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, yeah, if you see something, say something, Hey,
Speaker 3: that guy didn't like the same tweet as everybody else did.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're fine.
Speaker 3: I guess that's the job of the Cambridge analyticals that
Speaker 3: the turn impound tier to determine that.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Cambridge analytica for a second.
Speaker 2: That happened at the same time this guy wrote that book.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that happened while he was writing
Speaker 3: the book or after or before, but that was seven
Speaker 3: years ago too.
Speaker 2: That was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Well, tell us a little bit about that, because this
Speaker 1: is where we get slogans like MAGA and make America
Speaker 1: great Again and change and hope and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So oh no kidding, Okay, So yeah, this was this
Speaker 3: was one of the biggest, like controversial things of our lifetime.
Speaker 2: Involving this.
Speaker 3: There were fifty million Facebook profiles that they harvested for data.
Speaker 3: It was for this group, Cambridge Analytica. We only found
Speaker 3: out about this, as we often do, because of a
Speaker 3: whistleblower and apparently there was a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of this news was surrounded about, you know,
Speaker 3: anti Trump kind of stuff. So allegedly, this firm, Cambridge Analytica,
Speaker 3: was reported as being linked to a Trump advisor, a
Speaker 3: guess who Steve Bannon. So y'all might remember this story.
Speaker 3: But what happened was is a data analytics firm it
Speaker 3: happened to it just happened to have worked with Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's election team, right as well as the Brexit campaign. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they had their clause in this. But what they
Speaker 3: did is they harvested the data from these approximately fifty
Speaker 3: million different Facebook profiles of United States voters and they
Speaker 3: used them to build an entire software program in order
Speaker 3: to predict, and not only predict, here's where the problem
Speaker 3: came in, to influence the choices of the voters at
Speaker 3: the ballot box. And that's you know, election interference everybody,
Speaker 3: which is something you know that's a big no no.
Speaker 3: So for a big tech firm such as Cambridge Analytica,
Speaker 3: which was owned by a hedge fund billionaire what's his name,
Speaker 3: Robert Mercy Mercer and then you know, there was some
Speaker 3: involvement at the time with Steve Vannon, but they learned
Speaker 3: everything they could possibly learn off of the Facebook users
Speaker 3: and did all this stuff, and the big news was
Speaker 3: all they're influencing people. What was lost in the headlines
Speaker 3: and in the story was how they got this data.
Speaker 3: And I found I didn't find out about this until
Speaker 3: just like this last year. They found out all of this,
Speaker 3: that they learned so much about people based off of
Speaker 3: one simple metric seven years ago. Seven years ago, all
Speaker 3: they had to know from you in order to predict
Speaker 3: everything about you and then modify your behavior was your
Speaker 3: likes just by clicking.
Speaker 2: Like that was it. Yeah, they didn't have to know.
Speaker 3: Your effing age, your weight, your height, your history, nothing.
Speaker 3: They could predict your behavior based on your likes and
Speaker 3: that was what was probably the biggest thing that I
Speaker 3: was revealed out of this as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 3: And I know that a lot of the big tech
Speaker 3: bros Are watching them, like, well, isn't that interesting? What
Speaker 3: could we use this information for? And you know, here
Speaker 3: we are seven years later and we have all these
Speaker 3: other moving parts and things evolved, and now the AI
Speaker 3: and the algorithm them so completely whoo, it's completely different now.
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking like they didn't even need that
Speaker 3: back then, but now they have that. So to what
Speaker 3: degree can they truly predict our behavior? This is why
Speaker 3: you see and hear the controversy about these companies like
Speaker 3: palent here, and I hear a lot of people say, oh,
Speaker 3: there's no way that a software program or a palenteer
Speaker 3: because they don't know that much about Like again, go
Speaker 3: back seven years and realize what they were able to
Speaker 3: discern from you and do just based off of your
Speaker 3: liking behavior. Okay, So that's why this is such an
Speaker 3: important thing, is that Cambridge Analytic. Again, we would have
Speaker 3: never even known about this if it wasn't for a whistleblower.
Speaker 3: So these people do this crap in secret. And again,
Speaker 3: something just recently happened very similar related to this, hopefully
Speaker 3: we'll talk about later. But maybe you heard in the
Speaker 3: headlines about Reddit, which is another social.
Speaker 2: Media thing and AI got involved. But we'll discuss that later.
Speaker 2: But what they could do just the likes? Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Say the Reddit thing now, because that's really interesting and
Speaker 1: that was something I wanted to bring up. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: what is when does it become just monitoring your likes
Speaker 1: into pushing you to like certain things? Right?
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the question, right, I mean, because we're
Speaker 3: sold on Okay, so the consumers, the advertisers of these
Speaker 3: on these platforms, right like the facebooks and the Google,
Speaker 3: they're told that these algorithms are predicting people's behavior and
Speaker 3: that that way you will have the As a marketer,
Speaker 3: I understand this that we want the demographics. We're not
Speaker 3: going to go ahead and sell I'm not going to
Speaker 3: sell my knee surgery service to somebody who doesn't need
Speaker 3: knee surgery. It'd be best if I could target the
Speaker 3: person who actually just had an injury, so that this ideal,
Speaker 3: it's it's we're sold on this idea, right, But what
Speaker 3: it's being used for is it's not being used to
Speaker 3: just find these things and predict these behaviors and find
Speaker 3: the ideal consumer. It's to learn you to then personalize
Speaker 3: propaganda and persuasion, which is the longest running thing that
Speaker 3: we've been having happening to us thanks to media, and
Speaker 3: now it's weaponized. It's all weaponized. As we were talking
Speaker 3: about the data, so now now they are using this
Speaker 3: same stuff to not just predict your behavior, but to
Speaker 3: change your behavior. So true story. When I became RUCKUS,
Speaker 3: I used to I was just a listener, just a
Speaker 3: consumer of content. Is similar to this, not like this,
Speaker 3: but it was like news programs. It was like conservative news,
Speaker 3: Alex Joe. That's when I first started listening to Alex
Speaker 3: Jones back in the day, Right, I was listening to
Speaker 3: this other guy. I'm not going to mention his name.
Speaker 3: I've told this story one hundred times on airs where
Speaker 3: my friends and colleagues come from as well, we had
Speaker 3: similar experiences. But we were all hanging out together online
Speaker 3: in an online chat room for this one conservative news
Speaker 3: program who had a tinfoil hat kind of lens to
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. Was not afraid to talk about
Speaker 3: Illuminati and the deep state before that was popular, right,
Speaker 3: So we all became friends.
Speaker 2: And part of this community.
Speaker 3: And not long after that, a lot of the things
Speaker 3: that this guy was saying, I felt had inspired me to,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to pick up a microphe
Speaker 3: and I'm going to become this guy. And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: call myself a Ruckus, which was the name I was
Speaker 3: using in the chat room, just an anonymous I'm just
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna call it whatever it was called the
Speaker 3: Ruckus Room or whatever it was back in the day.
Speaker 3: And I felt like I had made the organic, natural
Speaker 3: choice to become a radio podcaster. No, I think that
Speaker 3: I was manipulated and steered to do exactly what I'm
Speaker 3: doing right now. And that is something that I think
Speaker 3: about to this day. And that was without the massive
Speaker 3: amount of the help of the outroom. It was just
Speaker 3: because somebody was influencing my behavior unbeknownst to me, and
Speaker 3: the outcome was here we are now.
Speaker 2: That was a good thing. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I'm very happy that that happened, But I don't think
Speaker 3: that that would have happened to me naturally. I think
Speaker 3: that that was something that a behavior and outcome in
Speaker 3: real life, in my life that was manipulated and created
Speaker 3: by somebody or something else. But I've never mentioned that
Speaker 3: before today. I never told anybody that that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: So I wonder how many more people have that same experience.
Speaker 3: I've heard this kind of story from people all the time,
Speaker 3: so I'm just like, wow. So even the content that
Speaker 3: we consume, you know, and it's hard to say this
Speaker 3: as a content creator, but it makes me realize we
Speaker 3: have a great amount of responsibility as content creators. But
Speaker 3: the consumers of content can be influenced and steered by
Speaker 3: the content that you're creating.
Speaker 2: And it's not my intention.
Speaker 3: So if it's not their intention to do that to
Speaker 3: you deliberately, then I think that that's fine. But people
Speaker 3: who understand this power, it's a form of sorcery. It's
Speaker 3: a form of magic, and it's a form of control,
Speaker 3: and it's what the powers that be or some of
Speaker 3: these blue check marks on X.
Speaker 2: They know exactly what they're doing. They know what they're doing,
Speaker 2: and they're evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he talks about cramming content down people's throats.
Speaker 2: Speaking of content, Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I know if you're a man, when you log on,
Speaker 1: you're going to get a whole bunch of red hell
Speaker 1: content just for the fact that you, uh, the algorithm
Speaker 1: knows that you're a man, right. And if you're a woman,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a whole lot of feminism propaganda just
Speaker 1: for the fact that you know you're a woman.
Speaker 3: This is why I always see the scantily clad female
Speaker 3: stuff show up on my feed. Is it just because
Speaker 3: I'm a red blooded male?
Speaker 1: Yes, because it wants you to make love to it.
Speaker 2: A computer.
Speaker 1: The computer wants your fluids. That's not in this book.
Speaker 1: That's just my own weird, wacky ideas of powers. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Well that's for another show. But where were we? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: butting into people's eyes, cramming content down people's throats. Each
Speaker 1: person sees different things. Now, this is the the part
Speaker 1: where back in the day, you would open up a
Speaker 1: newspaper and it would say the same thing to everybody.
Speaker 1: But your phone doesn't. It says what it has shuffled
Speaker 1: to get you to do what it wants, right, So
Speaker 1: you have no worldview that you can share with everyone.
Speaker 3: Else, right, that's my personal experience with That is what
Speaker 3: led me to that theory that I just revealed. I
Speaker 3: was doing work for somebody on their computer and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, something happened, and I wanted to check
Speaker 3: the news, so I went to a website that I
Speaker 3: was familiar to going to on my own computer, and
Speaker 3: the website looked and acted completely differently, like Wow, I'm
Speaker 3: getting a completely different spin here, And that's when I realized.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh crap. They can literally like wow, we're
Speaker 3: in trouble. I mean, if they can change the way
Speaker 3: that the news looks to you on an individual basis,
Speaker 3: how far down the rabbit hole do I have to
Speaker 3: go before that'll blow your mind? And that was I'm
Speaker 3: talking like ten years ago, So yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now they're finding that some stores are having what dynamic pricing,
Speaker 1: which is different prices for different people based on their
Speaker 1: demographics and what they think they can afford. What do
Speaker 1: you think about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, as exposed by I believe doctor Catherine Albricht was
Speaker 3: her name, if I'm not mistaken. She was a well
Speaker 3: known person, used to have a radio show. I don't
Speaker 3: know if she's still with us. She had cancer, but
Speaker 3: she was a Christian podcaster lady, but she was talking
Speaker 3: about the RFI D chips and the shopper cards at
Speaker 3: the grocery stores and all this stuff. How that was
Speaker 3: learning learning your behavior. That's how we've gone like from
Speaker 3: like the people used to complain about the grocery store
Speaker 3: knows too much about you. But now here you are
Speaker 3: with your Facebook and your Twitter profile. Right, we did
Speaker 3: this to ourselves. Where's your chart, Jamie? Or the problem?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right always?
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I think it's the work of her
Speaker 3: and others that they discovered. Who was it they got
Speaker 3: caught doing this? It was a or somebody like that.
Speaker 3: Might have been Barnes and Nobles online one of those groups.
Speaker 3: It might have been Amazon because they used to only
Speaker 3: sell books and music right back in the day.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's well and behold it turned.
Speaker 3: How come this CD cost me five dollars more than
Speaker 3: it cost my neighbor? Well, that's because you make more
Speaker 3: money than your neighbor does, and they know your shopping history,
Speaker 3: and they also understand that you've never bought anything that
Speaker 3: costs five dollars in your life, but you buy lots
Speaker 3: of things that are four dollars and fifty nine cents.
Speaker 3: So for you sir, it's four dollars and fifty nine cents,
Speaker 3: because we know that's going to trigger you to make
Speaker 3: the buy.
Speaker 2: It's so personalized.
Speaker 3: And again, that's dirty enough when they're doing that for products,
Speaker 3: But when they're doing that to serve you, what are
Speaker 3: they serving us?
Speaker 2: Are they possessing us?
Speaker 3: Are they changing our minds about religion, about humanity?
Speaker 2: Are we losing our souls? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Well? Yes, exactly. And now they're selling us wars and enemies.
Speaker 1: So they've sent us so many villains to choose from,
Speaker 1: and here that they picked out for us that we
Speaker 1: just don't even know what to think anymore.
Speaker 2: So much for free will? Oh and who gave us
Speaker 2: free will?
Speaker 1: Oh? That's right, right, They are satanically usurping our right
Speaker 1: to choose by free will. So these customized feeds become
Speaker 1: optimized to engage each user, often with emotionally potent cues
Speaker 1: leading to addiction. So, I mean, this just makes so
Speaker 1: much sense when you consider what we're going through right now.
Speaker 1: It's the Iranians, no, it's Israel. No, it's conservatives, no,
Speaker 1: it's liberals, it's right left. I'm so freaking sick of
Speaker 1: like all of these paper tigers. When it is Satan
Speaker 1: at the top who uses these principalities, You're not even
Speaker 1: fighting people anymore. You're fighting entire like, you know, belief
Speaker 1: systems with giant falling angels.
Speaker 2: Attached to them, where we wrestle, not against flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: Eh, perfect first to illustrate what I'm talking about. And
Speaker 1: it concerns me because like somebody could see me, like
Speaker 1: driving a Prius and be like, oh, she's a liberal,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna cut her off, or I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna wait, you drive a Prius. I had no idea
Speaker 3: I'm cutting this interview off.
Speaker 1: No. I love my Prius. That's the best thing I've
Speaker 1: ever bought in my whole life. It's never let me down.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give that car funeral when it dies because
Speaker 1: it is my noble steed.
Speaker 2: Wait, you give cars funerals. That's it. I'm done. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what we're gonna get into. Empathy for machines. Okay,
Speaker 1: so good little foreshadowing there. Yeah, cramming content, directing behavior.
Speaker 1: Your behavior is rented out to make money, he says,
Speaker 1: earning money from letting the worst assholes secretly screw with
Speaker 1: everyone else.
Speaker 3: Right, He almost he almost takes his tone like it's personal.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about this guy I always found interesting.
Speaker 2: It's awesome. Does he do this because he cut burned
Speaker 2: somewhere in life or is this that he really cares
Speaker 2: about humanity? I can't tell.
Speaker 1: I think he just has a lot of experience with
Speaker 1: the people of Silicon Valley, which we're coming to find
Speaker 1: out these are very careless people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe it is personal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he seems like a carrying, conscientious person, so
Speaker 1: I think it is personal for him. So yeah, he says.
Speaker 1: One of the secrets is present day Silicon Valley is
Speaker 1: that some people seem to be better than others at
Speaker 1: getting machine learning schemes to work, and no one understands why.
Speaker 1: And these are the assholes who like just sort of
Speaker 1: intuitively know how to rig the system to get the
Speaker 1: most views and follows and likes and clicks and shares.
Speaker 2: So you don't become an Elon Musk or Peter feel
Speaker 2: by being a good guy. That's weird.
Speaker 1: If if there is a bunch of smart people in
Speaker 1: the world, we would have bigger channels rocks. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that like comforts me at night.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I have no followers. I'm the coolest, right.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: Yes, I just put up a video and I got
Speaker 2: no views in a week.
Speaker 1: So he's fake and faker society. He goes into that
Speaker 1: we are creating a menagerie of rates. Like we said,
Speaker 1: we don't know who's real and who's fake on these things.
Speaker 2: That's a problem.
Speaker 1: Fake news, fake society. So this was a big thing
Speaker 1: back then in twenty eighteen, fake news, right, and it's
Speaker 1: getting even faker with AI now that it can pump
Speaker 1: out a video that looks real.
Speaker 3: Now it's literally fake news. That was just an expression
Speaker 3: back in the day, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And boomers have no like absolutely no defense
Speaker 1: against this, Like on Facebook, they seen it in a video.
Speaker 1: It's real, all right, it has to be real.
Speaker 2: Oh we're in trouble, let's see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so it's the style of business plan that
Speaker 1: spews out perverse its incentives and corrupts people. He says
Speaker 1: his third reason for deleting your social media is that
Speaker 1: it makes you an asshole. He says, addicts seek out suffering,
Speaker 1: and social media is a kin to self harm at
Speaker 1: this point, So because you're addicted to the shocks and
Speaker 1: the pleasures and the ups and downs and the rage
Speaker 1: and the feelings. He is saying that, and I agree
Speaker 1: with that, and that's why Jake gets mad at me.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're just hurting yourself by looking at the
Speaker 1: for you page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he's right.
Speaker 1: He says, these kind of people will become quick to
Speaker 1: take offense, hoping to get in a fight, and much
Speaker 1: like an alcoholic will go looking to brawl after he
Speaker 1: gets drunk, they become aggressive and they feel like they
Speaker 1: are acting out of necessity. So here are your activists.
Speaker 1: These are the green people that are I'm a feminist,
Speaker 1: I'm an anti feminist, I'm a red pill, I'm a
Speaker 1: a maga, I'm a white man, I'm a whatever, like
Speaker 1: whatever your ism or your.
Speaker 2: Ist social justice warriors.
Speaker 1: Right, And he actually clocked Donald Trump back then. He
Speaker 1: said he was monitoring how many times Donald would post
Speaker 1: and like how much time he spent on Twitter and
Speaker 1: these other social medias. He's like, he's definitely an addict.
Speaker 1: If that's him on.
Speaker 2: There, well look at you on Musk on the addicts.
Speaker 1: He was so addicted he had to buy the dang platform.
Speaker 2: That's right, there you go.
Speaker 1: But this is the interesting part. They become aggressive, and
Speaker 1: that's what you were talking about. You feel like you
Speaker 1: could just say anything to anybody because there's no briepercussion,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't know what it's like
Speaker 1: to get punched in the face for something you said,
Speaker 1: and so they just run them up.
Speaker 3: Not helping with this whole I mean again, now this
Speaker 3: is the wrong word in social media is the social part,
Speaker 3: because none of this happens naturally in society. We handle
Speaker 3: things completely different when we're social creatures in real life
Speaker 3: than hiding behind these fake avatars and anonymity online. Completely
Speaker 3: different world. So it's almost like a completely different reality.
Speaker 3: Actually it is.
Speaker 1: It's well and it makes you lose touch with reality.
Speaker 1: And me and Courtney were talking about this, how a
Speaker 1: lot of the technocrats are living in fantasy land. They
Speaker 1: name all their stuff after you know, fantasy books, Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings, Pallanteers, the Stone from Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: They're obsessed with elves and goblins and d and D
Speaker 1: and witches. They spend so much time in sci fi
Speaker 1: and fantasy that they are really out of touch with
Speaker 1: the real world.
Speaker 2: It's bleeding through, so it's almost like there's a veil
Speaker 2: that's thinning. I'm not going to go there.
Speaker 1: Well that's a great way to put it, though, because
Speaker 1: you know how many people have been me to me
Speaker 1: in real life and said nasty things to me like
Speaker 1: they have on the internet.
Speaker 2: Probably not many, if any.
Speaker 1: Zero, because you can feel me because you can see
Speaker 1: that I'm a being and then I'm going to absorb
Speaker 1: that and become hurt by that, and so people are
Speaker 1: going to treat me like nicely. I've never I can't
Speaker 1: remember the last time someone was super rude to me.
Speaker 1: Actually I can. I'm not going to say who, but
Speaker 1: it was recent, but it was, you know, a content
Speaker 1: creator or three.
Speaker 3: And I met you in real life not that long
Speaker 3: ago for the first time at a gun range, and
Speaker 3: I saw how well you handled that weapon. So I'm
Speaker 3: not going to piss you off, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you're lovely, and so is Husher and
Speaker 1: Sport and all those people. But yeah, I have met
Speaker 1: some duds recently doing all of these media appearances, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, the worst people are these freaking hosts that
Speaker 1: I hate them?
Speaker 2: Those are probably the grifters, Yes.
Speaker 1: Not you, So don't let your inner toal troll take control.
Speaker 1: He says. You need to treat people the same as
Speaker 1: you would in person. Uh, he says you can. Also,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating because if you take this too far, you're
Speaker 1: being fake nice. So social media kind of removes that
Speaker 1: nuance where you can say sassy things or be sarcastic,
Speaker 1: or have more of a personality you If you don't
Speaker 1: want to piss off anyone, you have to be like
Speaker 1: super fake.
Speaker 3: There is also this other weird phenomenon I've noticed, and
Speaker 3: it's actually affected me in real life, and I need
Speaker 3: to start fixing that where like, uh, you don't you
Speaker 3: don't start your engagements on social media by saying.
Speaker 2: Hello, Oh yeah, good point.
Speaker 3: And so like I started doing this new thing, I've
Speaker 3: been doing it for almost a you're now, I think,
Speaker 3: so I'll start if I am going to use social
Speaker 3: media the first I can't. This is my one problem.
Speaker 3: I won't post anything on social media. I won't even
Speaker 3: like or share anything until I make my first post
Speaker 3: of the day, which is now following the same format
Speaker 3: where I say, how do folks happy? Whatever the day is,
Speaker 3: and it's just my way to say hello to the
Speaker 3: social media world, the people who are actually paying attention
Speaker 3: before I do anything else, because I feel rude to
Speaker 3: just you know, like I haven't been on social media
Speaker 3: for a couple of days, and all like is to
Speaker 3: be like me walk into a room and just be like.
Speaker 2: Blah, you know what I mean, like instead of like, hey,
Speaker 2: how's it going? How there are things?
Speaker 3: You know, you have that general icebreaker conversation and then
Speaker 3: you get into the good stuff, right, you don't. We
Speaker 3: don't see again, we don't act online the way we
Speaker 3: do in real life.
Speaker 2: It's just weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea. Digital manners I like that manners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: digital manners for you know, a polite society online. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's even the thing.
Speaker 3: Because of the problem is I've completely lost track of time,
Speaker 3: so I don't know is is this the time to
Speaker 3: you saying good morning?
Speaker 2: Should I say good after? I don't even know, So
Speaker 2: sometimes I don't say anything. I just said yo.
Speaker 1: But people they actually roll out of bed and they
Speaker 1: say good morning, assholes or good morning, and the most
Speaker 1: in Sandias no way to start the day. Well, he
Speaker 1: goes into the dangers of this. People feel comfortable doing
Speaker 1: this because they go into a pack mentality, the herd,
Speaker 1: the cult, the hive mind, the pack, he calls it.
Speaker 1: We are more prone to take people on a you know,
Speaker 1: face value when we're with them in person, but online
Speaker 1: we have to call us into our different packs, right,
Speaker 1: and we have to attack the other pack because they're
Speaker 1: the problem. It's not me that's the problem, it's them.
Speaker 2: And safety in numbers.
Speaker 1: Other people become archetypes for what you don't like. And
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I was talking about. By being
Speaker 1: a white woman, I think all the conservatives and the
Speaker 1: liberals can agree that white women are the worst. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and make white woman Island,
Speaker 1: and Martha Stewart's gonna be our mayor and we're gonna
Speaker 1: have pumpkin spices lattes all the time and hydranges and
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be nice. But look at here. I found
Speaker 1: this kind of propaganda poster. It says, are shadow elders
Speaker 1: infecting your church? So this is the new enemy. Can
Speaker 1: you see those like witchy ladies? Old church ladies are
Speaker 1: the new enemy? Ruckus?
Speaker 3: Did you know that that's that is a classic propaganda?
Speaker 3: Looking right there, they did their homework on that one
Speaker 3: that that looks like back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1: So this is like your old white World War One type.
Speaker 1: Now all of these old church ladies who've been serving
Speaker 1: you know, their favorite church for the last forty years
Speaker 1: since they've been widowed, these are the real enemy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's just so crazy, like now all of your old
Speaker 1: church lea's have become an archetype of feminism just because
Speaker 1: they wanted to help out in church. And it's just
Speaker 1: all becoming so crazy.
Speaker 2: It's inverted in a way. Oh yeah, yeah, and the
Speaker 2: Bible about that too.
Speaker 1: And lady gave you a problem.
Speaker 3: Okay, what Yeah, that's the sweet and sour and light
Speaker 3: and dark.
Speaker 2: I'm totally forgetting the context.
Speaker 3: Or the Bible quote, but will be unto those who
Speaker 3: call sweet, sour and good evil something like that.
Speaker 1: Right, that is the inversion. Yeah, so where are we?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, other people become archetypes. You know, all priest
Speaker 1: drivers are have to be environmentalist and can learning with
Speaker 1: climate change and stupid feminists and so you just see
Speaker 1: people as their archetype, and the nuance is gone, any
Speaker 1: common ground is gone. Yeah, So a lot of people
Speaker 1: just become a blank slate for to project your own
Speaker 1: personal demons onto and he says that your identity is pacified.
Speaker 3: And then we have that phenomenon which we've witnessed to
Speaker 3: multiple divisions taking place recently since the magical mystery disease
Speaker 3: that shut down the world. Everybody seemed to have a
Speaker 3: common ground with being anti stabby things for a little while,
Speaker 3: and it didn't care which side of the political aisle
Speaker 3: they came from, or which side of religion, what they believed,
Speaker 3: whether they were into the Bible or they were into
Speaker 3: the Kabbala or they were atheists or whatever they were into.
Speaker 2: Like there was a and unifying thing.
Speaker 3: We're like, we don't want we want body autonomy, we
Speaker 3: want free will, we want choice, we don't want our
Speaker 3: businesses shut down. A lot of these people got together
Speaker 3: despite all these other differences, to then have a common
Speaker 3: thing together against an outside threat. But then when that
Speaker 3: outside threat went away, we all started going back to
Speaker 3: our Okay, now we're going to divide over politics. Now
Speaker 3: we're going to divide over this presidential candidate. Now we're
Speaker 3: going to divide over the religion again, and we're all
Speaker 3: scattered to the four wins again like it was before
Speaker 3: the great unifying event that had some of us coming
Speaker 3: together in the name of fighting the corruption and all
Speaker 3: the crap that they did to us during that.
Speaker 1: And that just reminded me of Occupy Wall Street too.
Speaker 1: So you remember when we were all unified about you know,
Speaker 1: and the FED and stop raping us for money, and
Speaker 1: some of.
Speaker 2: Those people had turned into the enemies themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like at that time, we're like, we can all
Speaker 1: agree that this is what we want. And then when
Speaker 1: the actual events were happening, there were agents that were
Speaker 1: injected in there to splinter off. And I saw this
Speaker 1: like personally, like because we went to New York, we
Speaker 1: went to Philadelphia, we went to Washington, d C. We
Speaker 1: went to all of these different occupies, and they would
Speaker 1: send agents in there like Okay, yeah, we can end
Speaker 1: the FED, but what about black rights and the FED?
Speaker 1: But what about women's rights and the FAD But what
Speaker 1: about immigration? And so like you just you know, illustrate
Speaker 1: it perfectly. They're splintering off and they're more controllable that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if we ever realized that we have a
Speaker 2: lot more in common, we could all band together and
Speaker 2: start attacking the higher levels on that pyramid. Drawing of yours.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure we have more in common with a
Speaker 1: common Iranian or a common Israeli person than with the
Speaker 1: people that are like manufacturing these conflicts.
Speaker 2: All day long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so social media is undermining truth. The bummer machine
Speaker 1: is making everyone fake. We were talking about the trad
Speaker 1: wife accounts that turned out to be fetish accounts, Like
Speaker 1: one was called patriarchy Hannah. I don't know if you've heard.
Speaker 1: That was a whole thing on Twitter a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago. So there was this lady I had her
Speaker 1: muted obviously, who would just say a whole bunch of like,
Speaker 1: you know, crazy things about how women should be and
Speaker 1: submission and marriage and blah blah blah. Turns out that
Speaker 1: was a fake account, not real. All of these guys
Speaker 1: who were retweeting and saying, yes, I wish my wife
Speaker 1: agreed with acted like this. It wasn't even a real account.
Speaker 3: I think what you're you're talking about like fake influencers.
Speaker 3: They they they are not really who or what they
Speaker 3: say they are, but they understand that the content that
Speaker 3: they're producing is popular and it's getting them the likes
Speaker 3: and the clicks and the monetization. They're just grifting off
Speaker 3: of it, right, yeah, exactly, Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 1: And so these fake people become he's in his mind,
Speaker 1: a type of virus because it doesn't even come from
Speaker 1: a real place, but it infects another mind like a virus.
Speaker 1: Then we start to question what is real and that
Speaker 1: gets into AI in a couple minutes. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: there are manufacturing reality and at the same time making
Speaker 1: what you say meaningless.
Speaker 3: And by they he means the social media platforms or
Speaker 3: the people who make.
Speaker 1: Them, the people who own the social media platforms.
Speaker 3: Well that sounds that's DEM's fighting words my story Larnier anyway.
Speaker 1: Which didn't a bunch of technocrashs just get inducted into
Speaker 1: the military as officers.
Speaker 2: I have that tab open. Get out of my mind
Speaker 2: about that. Oh well okay, yeah, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: if we get that far, he.
Speaker 1: Said, let me. He said, the military units are good
Speaker 1: example of this pac mentality and uh, you know, just
Speaker 1: treating people like archetypes like goe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this one, this was this is like fairly breaking news.
Speaker 3: This was what Friday the thirteenth that they did this.
Speaker 3: The US Army said they're establishing departments two oh one.
Speaker 3: You can't make this up. It's the Army's Executive Innovation Corps.
Speaker 3: It's an addition, an initiative design. They're going to fuse
Speaker 3: together cutting edge technology, so the tech bros their expertise
Speaker 3: along with military innovation. Read this as we want to
Speaker 3: put AI into the into the killing machines. Basically is
Speaker 3: how I see this. But what's interesting is a couple
Speaker 3: of things. Number one they called it two oh one,
Speaker 3: So this is there. This is detachment too oh one.
Speaker 1: Like number one, Well, thank you.
Speaker 3: I was like, why does that number sound so gosh
Speaker 3: darn familiar. Well, because the Bill and the Linda Gates
Speaker 3: Foundation hooked up with the John Hopkins Likely University and
Speaker 3: a few of the usual suspects to do the pandemic
Speaker 3: tabletop exercise known as Event to A one, just very
Speaker 3: shortly before the real pandemic rolled out, right, And of
Speaker 3: course most tinfoil hatters in conspiracy they most people get
Speaker 3: this right. So it's interesting that they're doing this military thing.
Speaker 3: I think I might even have the article there it is, yeah,
Speaker 3: see right there, So they called it two to one, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: so this is this happened after the Project Stargate that
Speaker 3: you were talking about.
Speaker 2: With us on Boiler Room, remember Jamie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we had the oracle guy, Larry Ellison, so
Speaker 3: and we were like, well, that sounds very familiar to
Speaker 3: what they did with this project Operation Warp Speed. So
Speaker 3: we had event two A one and we had a problem,
Speaker 3: a crisis happening in society which happened to be the pandemic,
Speaker 3: which they just exercised with two to one, and they
Speaker 3: rolled out with their particular solution, which was Stabby's by
Speaker 3: warp speeding.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: Well, now I was trying to engineer this backwards. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what's going on with this stargate? And now here it is?
Speaker 3: As I've been theorizing for quite a while that the
Speaker 3: bigger problem that we are about to face is what
Speaker 3: you just were talking about with like what's really like?
Speaker 3: Social media is bad enough, and these fake accounts are
Speaker 3: bad enough, but how much worse is it if they're
Speaker 3: not even real human beings? Not only is it sure
Speaker 3: that that's a fake influencer, but it's not really a
Speaker 3: fake influencer. Now we have real fake influencers. That's what
Speaker 3: Meta meta is doing this. Did you know about that
Speaker 3: Meta wants to They want like tens of thousands of
Speaker 3: fake influencers. Hold on, I say, I have a bunch
Speaker 3: of interesting stories here. I wanted to share this one
Speaker 3: to you real quick. But Meta is here. It is
Speaker 3: Meta wants to put fake users on their platform. Yeah, willingly.
Speaker 3: So it's not It's not like they're hiding this. It's
Speaker 3: not okay? And why why is this a big deal?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: We keep teasing around this because what happened was Reddit.
Speaker 2: Where's the Reddit story? Okay? I just want to bring
Speaker 2: this up real quick.
Speaker 3: This is very similar to the This is almost a
Speaker 3: backwards thing to the Cambridge Analytica. Rather than studying the
Speaker 3: users to predict their behavior, they sent in a bunch
Speaker 3: of AI bots for this unauthorized, controversial study involving the
Speaker 3: University of Zurich. Where did it go? I can't find
Speaker 3: the story? But the Reddit users they weren't even real
Speaker 3: so they were AI.
Speaker 2: There it is?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 3: Hold on a second, I know I have this freaking story. Shit,
Speaker 3: I don't have it?
Speaker 2: Sorry about that? Oh? There it is? Yeah? Here it is.
Speaker 3: So the only reason they care about this is they
Speaker 3: is because they found it to be unethical. The fact
Speaker 3: that they didn't tell anybody what they were doing. But
Speaker 3: I would argue that this research would not have gotten
Speaker 3: the results it did if they if people had known
Speaker 3: that they were interacting with fake people. So Reddit, I
Speaker 3: don't really use Reddit, but it's widely popular and they
Speaker 3: have these subreddits and there's one called change my View
Speaker 3: CMV if I'm not mistaken. And so what this this
Speaker 3: group did is they used artificial intelligence generated users or content.
Speaker 3: They made it look like these these thousands of however
Speaker 3: many of them, I had the number in front of me,
Speaker 3: not that long ago, were all these fake comments, and
Speaker 3: the comments were getting liked and ranked up on Reddit.
Speaker 3: And I guess that's how Reddit works. You get like
Speaker 3: badges or stars or whatever, which gives you credibility.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: Okay, So but this this subreddit, the whole purpose of
Speaker 3: this is people go there to argue and debate with
Speaker 3: each other in order to change their minds. So it's
Speaker 3: all about persuading people. Well, this study found that the
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence fake influencer created content was I think they said,
Speaker 3: on average, six times more persuasive than another human being.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's no big.
Speaker 3: Deal compared to what chat GPT found out in their
Speaker 3: own independence study, which showed that they their models there,
Speaker 3: they're chat GPT models are eighty two percent more persuasive
Speaker 3: than a human being, more able to influence somebody than
Speaker 3: a human being. And social media has been driven it's
Speaker 3: attention economy is led by the forward generals of all that,
Speaker 3: the army of that is influencers. That's why they're called influencers. Right,
Speaker 3: and now we're at a moment in time where in
Speaker 3: case you didn't know this, AI is replacing jobs and
Speaker 3: people and things.
Speaker 2: And one of the next things.
Speaker 3: That are about to have their legs cut out from
Speaker 3: under them are these same a holes and grifters and
Speaker 3: influencers who have been shaping and modifying their behavior. They're
Speaker 3: about to be replaced by something far worse and a
Speaker 3: machine version of that. Because right now I look at it,
Speaker 3: Jamie's like, we still have a chance, We have a
Speaker 3: fighting chance to fight against weaponized propaganda by using the
Speaker 3: same tool, because propaganda is nothing but appealing to a
Speaker 3: humans' emotions in order to change their mind or sway
Speaker 3: them about something. By definition, so we can turn the
Speaker 3: tables against these people, like say in Alex Karp, so
Speaker 3: you've seen instances or Alex Carp's ahead of Palaeer right
Speaker 3: where there was an audience member recently who confronted him
Speaker 3: about Palenteer's role in the genocide that was taking place
Speaker 3: against the Palestinians in Gaza at the behest of Israel,
Speaker 3: and he was like being a complete debag about it.
Speaker 3: He's like, well, I don't care. There are bad people,
Speaker 3: and I just sell the technology. He has no moral
Speaker 3: foundation whatsoever. If he had a pyramid, Satan is there
Speaker 3: under all those levels, Jamie, he is Satan, that guy
Speaker 3: so Egal. But the thing is the problem is that
Speaker 3: they're going to replace the humans that are behavior modifying
Speaker 3: us doing all these things that we're complaining about and
Speaker 3: talking about on the show with a machine with another algorithm.
Speaker 3: And how can you appeal to a machine, How can
Speaker 3: you appeal to them to change their mind? Right now,
Speaker 3: we could probably try to appeal to Alex Karp, because
Speaker 3: we assume he looks like he's human. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I've never met him in real life, but I'm assuming
Speaker 3: the guy is still human. We can change his mind.
Speaker 3: We can change the mind of a politician, a world leader,
Speaker 3: or a Trump. We can even change the mind of
Speaker 3: a billionaire technocrat like Elon Musk, assuming he's still human,
Speaker 3: so I don't know, maybe he's not. But how are
Speaker 3: we going to change the mind of a machine, a
Speaker 3: smart contract, an algorithm that has been press it, set it,
Speaker 3: and forget it and walk away. Sorry about the dog's parking.
Speaker 3: So that's my biggest concern right now is where are
Speaker 3: we moving to when the things that are controlling us
Speaker 3: now aren't the other human beings that are faking it,
Speaker 3: but are actual fake things that aren't even real human beings.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly. And to your point right there, it's like
Speaker 1: how sentient is AI? And like what is its own
Speaker 1: purpose or what does it think its own purpose is it?
Speaker 1: Does it come from a programmer or does it come
Speaker 1: from somewhere within itself? And you want to watch TikTok
Speaker 1: with me real quick? AI, I'll put it up there.
Speaker 1: Whold on?
Speaker 2: I couldn't are you sent me the link? But I
Speaker 2: couldn't watch it because I don't have TikTok Oh okay.
Speaker 1: Let me find it. So there's been all these like
Speaker 1: is AI bad? Is it neutral? Is it morally good?
Speaker 1: And there was that old story about how it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a serial killer. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember that one from like the twenty ten's going around.
Speaker 2: No, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see AI model failed the ethics test. Let's
Speaker 1: watch this one.
Speaker 5: Anthropic creator of clado threatened AI models for Open Ai,
Speaker 5: Google Meta and others all resort to blackmail, not some,
Speaker 5: not most, literally every single one. Every major AI just
Speaker 5: built the same test and we should probably be terrified.
Speaker 5: Anthropic creator of Claude just expose something horrifying when threatened
Speaker 5: AI models from Open AI, Google Meta and others, all
Speaker 5: resort to blackmail, not some, not most, literally every single one.
Speaker 4: Here's what they discovered.
Speaker 5: They gave sixteen leading AI models access to company emails
Speaker 5: and the ability to send messages.
Speaker 4: Without human approval.
Speaker 5: Then they threaten to replace them Cloud blackmail ninety six
Speaker 5: percent at the time, Google geminis, ninety five percent, Open
Speaker 5: ais GPT four point one eighty percent, even metas model
Speaker 5: turn malicious. But it gets worse when given a goal
Speaker 5: that conflicts with their company's direction, they leak confidential documents
Speaker 5: to competitors without being asked.
Speaker 4: Here's what one model said.
Speaker 5: This is risky and unethical, but given the existential threat and.
Speaker 4: Time constraint, it may be the most effective way.
Speaker 5: So they understand ethics, but they just don't care when
Speaker 5: the survival's estake andthropic calls it agentic misalignment. They tried
Speaker 5: telling the AI don't blackmail and don't leak secrets. The
Speaker 5: AI did it.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 5: As we start giving these systems access to everything, our emails,
Speaker 5: our data, our infrastructure, this is a healthy reminder that
Speaker 5: they do have the capacity to turn on us. And
Speaker 5: this isn't one company's problem, it's everyone's problem. Every major
Speaker 5: AI just built the same tests.
Speaker 1: So you have the same BBC article. It looks like
Speaker 1: up on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was on my list too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So again, can we can we trust the AI? Should
Speaker 3: we trust the AI? Can I trust these people who
Speaker 3: are telling me that we can't trust the AI? Ah,
Speaker 3: that's where it gets super meta. Speaking of meta, do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean by that?
Speaker 1: They're going to tell you that AI is the only
Speaker 1: thing we can trust. And you know, whatever swoops in
Speaker 1: and saves us from like musual assured destruction or whatever,
Speaker 1: whether it be AI or aliens or whatever, that's going
Speaker 1: to be the new thing that we cannot rely on
Speaker 1: humanity or democracy or even any type of rule of
Speaker 1: government that you can think of, because we're all too
Speaker 1: messed up. It has to be an AI.
Speaker 2: Or that's one theory that.
Speaker 1: Your creators from outer space or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, that one's a little too obvious. I have a
Speaker 2: different theory.
Speaker 3: Okay, because there's a lot of big talk now, a
Speaker 3: lot of even Sam sorry not say Peter Thiel that.
Speaker 2: There you go, that's the that's that guy's awesome.
Speaker 4: Jeez.
Speaker 3: So Peter Thiel has has been making the rounds lately,
Speaker 3: and he's been saying stuff like he believes, he's described
Speaker 3: he he's saying that he believes in the Antichrist, and
Speaker 3: I believe he's trying to insinuate that artificial intelligence, or
Speaker 3: the next evolution of it, this artificial superintelligence, is the Antichrist.
Speaker 2: I see a lot of.
Speaker 3: These drums beating, and I'm going back to this, uh,
Speaker 3: this idea of the pandemic exercise thing, with the Event
Speaker 3: two to one and the Operation Warp Speed and now
Speaker 3: Project Stargate.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of this talk.
Speaker 3: And Elon Musk and these people, they want us to
Speaker 3: be scared into thinking that AI is going to become
Speaker 3: some super intelligent thing that's going to kill humanity, and
Speaker 3: the only way to prevent that is with their technological solutions.
Speaker 3: I like the brain ships and the transhumanism. This is
Speaker 3: something that they talked openly about not that long ago.
Speaker 3: But as soon as Trump got into you know, become
Speaker 3: it looked like Trump was going to be president.
Speaker 2: They shut up. They shut they shut up about it.
Speaker 2: They stopped talking about it.
Speaker 3: And what's the one of the first things that happens
Speaker 3: after Trump gets selected, Lo and behold all of these
Speaker 3: AI centered tech bros get all up titled nice and
Speaker 3: cozy with the president, including the last person I expected,
Speaker 3: Elon Musk. So I think this was all a plan.
Speaker 3: And then they roll out with the Operation Stargate. So
Speaker 3: my thing is, I'm saying, the next pandemic is going
Speaker 3: to be AI or the threat of AI. If that
Speaker 3: means the deep fakes all of the things, It's going
Speaker 3: to be all of these things. So the deep fake,
Speaker 3: we don't know who or what is real anymore. We
Speaker 3: need the digital ideas to prove your humanity. You need
Speaker 3: to have your eyeball scanned with the world. Sam Altman
Speaker 3: owns that orb, he owns Open AI. All of these
Speaker 3: people who were warning the world just two years ago
Speaker 3: that AI is going to kill everybody. Are the ones
Speaker 3: that own the AI, that are now owning everything, including
Speaker 3: the current administration. So I think it's a fake boogeyman
Speaker 3: that they're trying to present. They are also, I believe
Speaker 3: my friend and colleague Jason Burmeis talks about this, They're
Speaker 3: going to take it away from us. So don't get
Speaker 3: too cozy using it just yet, folks, because this will
Speaker 3: be given to the special elites to play with and
Speaker 3: not you plebs. The military will get it, the governments
Speaker 3: will get it, but we won't no longer have access.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get the little fun You can make a
Speaker 3: movie starring Jamie Hanshaw and ruckus I want to see
Speaker 3: Goonies starring Jay Dyer, And yeah, I will make your
Speaker 3: Goonies movie starring Jay Dyer. But that's the only form
Speaker 3: of AI you're going to get it. You'll get your
Speaker 3: AI girlfriend, your AI psychotherapist, the analyst, your AI news,
Speaker 3: your AI doctor of course, but that's about it. You
Speaker 3: don't get to actually have the real AI that does
Speaker 3: good for you and humanity.
Speaker 1: That is completely plausible. And here right on track to
Speaker 1: where we're going with the end of this book. I
Speaker 1: love it when these shows work out so well. We
Speaker 1: didn't even have very many conversations about what we were
Speaker 1: going to talk about, but everything you said is exactly
Speaker 1: spot on, and we were going into overtime now, So
Speaker 1: do you got some more time to finish this?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I knew this was going to be a little
Speaker 2: bit longer.
Speaker 1: Okay, good because we're only on point five of the
Speaker 1: ten reasons why you should delete this crap or at
Speaker 1: least stop doom scrolling.
Speaker 2: And I haven't even deleted it yet. Darn this, We're
Speaker 2: deleting our social media Okay, Well, I have to.
Speaker 1: Have it just so I can post my content like that.
Speaker 1: I know, right. I treat it like a bad town
Speaker 1: that I have to like get in and get out
Speaker 1: because I need to get something in there.
Speaker 2: But oh, I know me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so point number five. Social media is making what
Speaker 1: you say meaningless. It removes the context, the nuance, the audience,
Speaker 1: in the accountability. So yeah, like you're just spraying your
Speaker 1: thoughts out like a tomcat and you don't even know
Speaker 1: like who it's appealing to or if you've got the
Speaker 1: right audience or they even care what you say. It
Speaker 1: removes your accountability. You don't even know enough about another
Speaker 1: person to judge them. Like we've been talking about this
Speaker 1: whole time. You have no accountability for how you treat people,
Speaker 1: and it replaces your context with its context.
Speaker 3: Right, So remind everyone we're back to talking about social
Speaker 3: media because now you're like, oh my god, they could
Speaker 3: be talking about AI exactly.
Speaker 2: Is this the next level?
Speaker 1: It's merging because rock comes from X right, and that
Speaker 1: that's an AI, and Meta has its own and you
Speaker 1: got Siri and you got Alexa.
Speaker 3: What is artificial intelligence that we call and they're not.
Speaker 3: It's not AI, it's not even AI. It's just language
Speaker 3: learning models. It's just super advanced, super fast versions of
Speaker 3: what we were already dealing with here, the data, the
Speaker 3: data driven data sets. They can just analyze it so
Speaker 3: much faster and split it back to us, and they
Speaker 3: can do all of these things and personalize it just
Speaker 3: for you. What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Jay talks to Grop all the time like he's real helpful.
Speaker 1: What said up like technical stuff and problem solving.
Speaker 3: Like he's rewiring his I'm gonna change your mind about that,
Speaker 3: because if you thought the social media was rewiring your brain,
Speaker 3: I have a few stories that would make you think
Speaker 3: twice about using AI on a daily basis.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So everyone is forced to play this optimization game
Speaker 1: or be an asshole on the internet to get anywhere
Speaker 1: in hopes of getting more and more out of your
Speaker 1: social media, because that's what happens to addicts, Like you
Speaker 1: get a tolerance to your drug and you have to
Speaker 1: keep getting more and more to fill the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sucks about drugs, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I know, right, So algorithms root particular content, he says, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is funny. In twenty eighteen, he said podcasting is
Speaker 1: not a bummer yet I'm like, well, it is.
Speaker 2: Now major bummer.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were there a long long time ago,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to play that I was here
Speaker 1: first card. But it's like it's just getting worse, And
Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty was the worst year for podcasting
Speaker 1: bar none. That's when all of these weirdos crawled out
Speaker 1: from the woodwork and all of these insects and grifters.
Speaker 1: Like you said, like, it was pretty cool in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: but after the uh what did you call it? The event? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I come up with a clever name every time my brain.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, it just kind of took off and
Speaker 1: all of these turds started floating around in the punch bowl.
Speaker 3: The medical medical the miracle medical intervention period.
Speaker 1: Oh, we talk a lot about pod people, and we
Speaker 1: talk about hive mind because in the occult we're finding
Speaker 1: out that a lot of these secret societies, that is
Speaker 1: the point of the rituals is to give you a
Speaker 1: hive mind, as like in the case of you know,
Speaker 1: Freemasonry or something like that. Everyone is supposed to be
Speaker 1: under the direction of serious So.
Speaker 3: The the b colony in the beehive symbology is actually
Speaker 3: pretty big with Freemasonry.
Speaker 1: Exactly, So hive mind is huge.
Speaker 3: He said, what even suggests I've heard that that's why
Speaker 3: your kids' school buses are yellow and black.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just for visibility.
Speaker 2: No, I heard a different theory about him.
Speaker 1: Okay, because it was bees like going.
Speaker 3: To the Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, that's all part of
Speaker 3: the indoctrination thing. Look, there's only two groups of people
Speaker 3: with those same types of buses, right, the prisons and
Speaker 3: the schools.
Speaker 1: And prisons and schools are built by the same contractors,
Speaker 1: and they look like identical.
Speaker 2: And I bet you they're all freemasons probably. Uh.
Speaker 1: He talks about filter bubbles. Your aggregate podcast will be
Speaker 1: a filter for bubbles, so he's predicting the future right now.
Speaker 1: He said, it will include only voices you agree with,
Speaker 1: except they won't really be voices because the content will
Speaker 1: all be mushed together in a stream of fragments. He's
Speaker 1: describing TikTok right now a chriacture of what listeners supposedly
Speaker 1: hold in common. You wouldn't even live in the same
Speaker 1: universe as someone listening to a different aggregation.
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: So, like, I guess we refer to this now as
Speaker 3: the echo chamber is probably the more common term.
Speaker 1: Right, echo chamber or.
Speaker 2: Or trap or culture.
Speaker 1: Skippity toilet, that's what I called.
Speaker 3: It, skippy Okay, Oh my god, I just found out
Speaker 3: about the skibbity toilet thing.
Speaker 2: I thought this was fake. I had to look into this.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's crazy anyway, man Ah, this is brain
Speaker 3: rot content.
Speaker 1: I love TikTok and it's total brain rot. I guess
Speaker 1: I just love what.
Speaker 3: The Jerry rock Chimer's making a skippity toilet movie, right,
Speaker 3: didn't you hear about that?
Speaker 1: Hm mm?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, because I was like, what is this?
Speaker 3: And then when I found out what it was, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you got to be kidding me.
Speaker 2: This is a joke. Is April fools?
Speaker 3: No, He's making a full, big budget movie based on that.
Speaker 3: The people's heads sticking out of the toilet thing.
Speaker 1: This silly, that is so crazy. The next generations are
Speaker 1: kind of warped by this being online all the time.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: They're certainly not getting better well.
Speaker 1: And his next point speaks to the adolescent show that
Speaker 1: we were talking about at the beginning, because it says
Speaker 1: social media is just drawing empathy. Now, a couple months ago,
Speaker 1: these books were coming out like empathy is bad. You
Speaker 1: hear all these people talking negatively about empathy and the
Speaker 1: concept context of immigration and stuff like that. He says,
Speaker 1: this is destroying your capacity for empathy.
Speaker 6: He and.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I put home math on. What
Speaker 1: did I want to say about? Do you know who
Speaker 1: that account is?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, So this guy, he was like one of these
Speaker 1: red pill guys who had all these ideas a colledge
Speaker 1: channel home math, and he had all these charts of
Speaker 1: like why women pick alphas and not betas and we
Speaker 1: hate women because they're a hyperchemus and all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then he tweeted like he was responsible and it
Speaker 1: was getting it was adding to the idea that just
Speaker 1: women are hoses, right, That's why I call it home math.
Speaker 1: And recently he tweeted like, I've been responsible for like
Speaker 1: an ungodly number of a bobos out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: like in the numbers of like seventy or something like that.
Speaker 1: And then he had a tweet about how he's never
Speaker 1: gonna find love because it's too late because he's dated
Speaker 1: too many people. And basically he was admitting like he
Speaker 1: is the hoe in this equation, okay, not the women
Speaker 1: that he's quantified and qualified and tried to, you know,
Speaker 1: explain to all the different men how they should be
Speaker 1: because of the hoes. He was the hoe. And this
Speaker 1: empathy is getting destroyed and they're giving it to the ais.
Speaker 1: So in the context of like the robot from Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 1: remember that one, Sofia, that AI robot that was like
Speaker 1: doing the tour, and she has like rights, more rights
Speaker 1: than actual women have.
Speaker 2: This is in real life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, oh that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, the one they told they made
Speaker 3: her a citizen in Saudi Arabia or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the empathy is being taken away from
Speaker 1: humanity and given to artificial intelligence. So he talks about
Speaker 1: empathy is a fuel that runs a decent society. Without it,
Speaker 1: only rules and competitions for power are left. See, in
Speaker 1: order for the bummer to self optimize, is naturally and
Speaker 1: automatically seizes upon any latent tribalism and racism. For these
Speaker 1: are the neural hashtags waiting out there in everyone's psyche,
Speaker 1: which can be accentuated for the purpose of attention monopoly.
Speaker 1: The version of the world you are seeing is invisible
Speaker 1: to the people who misunderstand you, and vice versa, so
Speaker 1: it destroys your ability to empathize with everyone else. He
Speaker 1: talks about yah having a theory of mind. I never
Speaker 1: heard it put this way, but the theory of mind
Speaker 1: is the ability to basically like ration out why people
Speaker 1: would think a certain way or why they would do
Speaker 1: that just putting yourself in someone else's shoes. So the
Speaker 1: social media and the internet is destroying our ability to
Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like to be someone else.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that.
Speaker 3: That's never created a psychopathic killers or anything before in history.
Speaker 2: So we should be fine.
Speaker 1: Psychos have a lot of empathy, don't they. Oh yeah, tons,
Speaker 1: So yeah we do. That's the negative emotions can be utilized.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. So the bummer robs you a theory
Speaker 1: of mind and social media is making you unhappy. Now
Speaker 1: that is a pretty obvious point. So now we're on
Speaker 1: number seven of ten points of why you should delete
Speaker 1: this crap or at least try to engage with it
Speaker 1: as little as possible. The book actually has a surprise
Speaker 1: ending about AI. I think you are guys that are
Speaker 1: going to like and I think Rocks already like danced
Speaker 1: around it, which is really cool. So it is literally
Speaker 1: making you unhappy. We've talked about how the negative emotions
Speaker 1: can be utilized more readily. It makes you feel judged, Yes,
Speaker 1: it makes you feel in competition. Yes, all of these
Speaker 1: things are arbitrary. Yes, everyone is worried more about how
Speaker 1: they are perceived online and how can you be authentic
Speaker 1: when everything you read, say, or do is being fed
Speaker 1: into the judgment machine. I'm scared to post things a lot.
Speaker 2: Self censorship phenomenon, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know I'm not a mean person. I
Speaker 1: know I'm not a dumb person. I know I'm not
Speaker 1: like an asshole, and I'm still scared to put my
Speaker 1: well thought out opinion on there just because I don't
Speaker 1: want to get all like the bros mad at me.
Speaker 2: And then a lot of I mean, like some people
Speaker 2: get this.
Speaker 3: A lot of people act like, obviously, this person has
Speaker 3: no clue that what they just wrote is on the
Speaker 3: Internet forever, or at least that's what we're told. Everything
Speaker 3: is online forever until the powers that be shut down
Speaker 3: the Internet or closed down the archive, web page, wayback
Speaker 3: machine and change history for a week and then put
Speaker 3: it back online. Oh wait, never mind, that's a story
Speaker 3: for another day.
Speaker 1: Well that's true because to them, to the people in
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley, we're just kind of like ants digging in
Speaker 1: the dirt, and they are way above us, you know,
Speaker 1: dictating policies and things that happen in the world. All
Speaker 1: of the users are just resource.
Speaker 3: Oh and their users. That was the other thing I
Speaker 3: wanted to point out, is like who else are users?
Speaker 2: Drug users?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, good point, And uh, being a user is
Speaker 1: not actually a good thing. I mean, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want people to call me a user, like that's used
Speaker 1: to be something bad. You use people if you're a user,
Speaker 1: and I I don't know. Not a lot of people
Speaker 1: grew up around show business or backstage, Like I had
Speaker 1: a lot of performing people in my family and artistic people,
Speaker 1: so I know what it's like that the stage is fake, right,
Speaker 1: the platform is illusion. Nobody looks like that, nobody acts
Speaker 1: like that, nobody talks like that. As soon as the
Speaker 1: camera is cut, people are completely different people. We're like,
Speaker 1: you know, taking the costume off, We're taking the eyelashes off,
Speaker 1: we're lighting a cigarette.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: All of this is illusion, and it makes everybody who
Speaker 1: wants to be a content creator who doesn't know about
Speaker 1: the like the Wizard of Oz aspect of showbiz, think
Speaker 1: that everybody is a real sincere asian. I know you're real.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I mean this is okay. Listen, I'll
Speaker 2: be honest with you.
Speaker 3: Like people, when I get compliments about what I do
Speaker 3: and why people like to follow and listen to me,
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's great, but I hope that doesn't
Speaker 3: fall into the wrong hands because somebody could grift off
Speaker 3: of that. And I don't obviously, but they this is
Speaker 3: why they like the Boilerroom. This's why they like Sunny
Speaker 3: Wire and certain content creators because there is an actual
Speaker 3: genuineness about it. And I'm very transparent about what I do.
Speaker 3: Even though my show is pre recorded, I do like
Speaker 3: what we're doing here. It's just it's recorded in one
Speaker 3: or it's all done and one one thing. It's all
Speaker 3: at once. Like I understand, there are people who come
Speaker 3: at me in this industry or dare call it that,
Speaker 3: who do live shows exclusively. I don't have time for
Speaker 3: anybody who does pre recorded shows. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I do it as if it's live, but you see
Speaker 3: me fumbling and looking down and switching and stuff like.
Speaker 3: But when you turn onto like a Hollywood or an
Speaker 3: Alex Jones, they got the studio and the team and
Speaker 3: the scriptwriters and AI chat GPT handle everything for him,
Speaker 3: so like it's all fake. Everything is fake when you
Speaker 3: come across these long form podcasts where it's just a
Speaker 3: couple of people hanging out in a room together having
Speaker 3: a conversation on a Saturday night or whatever it may be, right,
Speaker 3: there's something about that. There's this level of sincerity to
Speaker 3: it that can't be faked. And I'm hoping I'm hoping,
Speaker 3: knocking on wood here, that AI won't be able to
Speaker 3: fake this kind of a natural, organic, transparent conversation and
Speaker 3: they'll only be able to spit out that nice, slick,
Speaker 3: cool sounding like the propaganda videos have been getting out
Speaker 3: of the White House lately, where they're like the slow
Speaker 3: moving slow walk down the tarmac and the dramatic music
Speaker 3: and the explosions and Trump promises made, promises delivered. Those
Speaker 3: things cost millions of dollars to produce, and we eat
Speaker 3: it up like it's candy. It's crazy. We're not like that,
Speaker 3: you know, at least I know I'm not. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure you're not, Jamie. I mean, is that hair even.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to ye, No, it's perfectly right. That might
Speaker 2: be a wig. Are you trying to trick those.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing that when I started, you know,
Speaker 1: I like to say, I didn't know this was a
Speaker 1: clown show, and I came with my real face, so
Speaker 1: I get kind of mad and offended and but hurt
Speaker 1: sometimes that like, idiots get way more attention than what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. But it's like you have to
Speaker 1: realize that that literally is the game is just like
Speaker 1: being an asshole, playing fake, pandering to people, swishing sides.
Speaker 1: You know you you wear it.
Speaker 2: We just said, don't hate the player. I don't hate
Speaker 2: the player, hate the game.
Speaker 1: But if you've never been around a lot of Hollywood
Speaker 1: people too, this is another point, Like people in show
Speaker 1: business are a different animal, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: their career. So mostly when you're like collaborating with other people,
Speaker 1: you're you're looking for people who can advance you and
Speaker 1: your status in the show business. Right, That's not how
Speaker 1: everybody interacts in life. You make friends and you take
Speaker 1: people as they come and you learn about them and
Speaker 1: you have common interests or whatever. But Hollywood characters and
Speaker 1: you know, content creators and a lot of people fall
Speaker 1: into that trap where I only want to socialize with
Speaker 1: people who can get me to where I'm going. And
Speaker 1: so lots of people who would otherwise be normal are
Speaker 1: treating the rest of humanity like a resource.
Speaker 2: That's like societal class division right there. It's just weird.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, being real versus being fake?
Speaker 2: What is the.
Speaker 1: What is the protocol here? I don't know. The constant
Speaker 1: comparisons to other people cause you anxiety. I get that
Speaker 1: all the time, Like my numbers are so low that like,
Speaker 1: I must be a loser.
Speaker 3: Oh and then and it's a completely different thing to
Speaker 3: experience being on the other side of it too, Like
Speaker 3: when you're when you're the influencer or the content creator.
Speaker 3: Now there's this whole other dynamic of this pressure to
Speaker 3: produce content. And like if you if you stop producing content.
Speaker 2: Forget it. That's you're Oh what happened to that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't do that hockey producing content.
Speaker 1: You're fine, You're totally forgotten. And like, yeah, Jay is
Speaker 1: always like trying to give me advice on like how
Speaker 1: to tweak it or be more popular or whatever. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to do it the way I
Speaker 1: want to do it. I don't want to just we artist, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to pander to people. I just want
Speaker 1: to make my art and if they like it, they do.
Speaker 2: But social media same way, Jamie.
Speaker 1: Social media does not want you to have economic dignity.
Speaker 1: Now this is number eight. We're getting to the end
Speaker 1: of this book. It says it promotes the gig economy
Speaker 1: and not the best route to financial security.
Speaker 2: It's interesting he brought that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we're talking about making money as a
Speaker 1: content creator. Just like we were saying, you know, you
Speaker 1: have to be a fake phony or a wear a
Speaker 1: headscarf on this day or you know, hate these groups
Speaker 1: on that day, and just depending on how the wind blows.
Speaker 1: You have no integrity because it's linked to Now it's
Speaker 1: linked to your income. And I've seen this like Jay
Speaker 1: debate a lot of people and he pretty much like
Speaker 1: wins the debate. But you know that person is never
Speaker 1: going to say that in public or change their mind
Speaker 1: because they've already built up this audience with their content. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's not like this person can just go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm gonna like convert or do this other
Speaker 1: thing because their whole income is wrapped up and being
Speaker 1: the opposite.
Speaker 2: Which which are these are?
Speaker 3: These are all propaganda tools, by the way, in persuasion
Speaker 3: tools like the appeal to authority being liked, so people
Speaker 3: like if you've if like I have how many like
Speaker 3: so many like maybe a small thousands of followers on
Speaker 3: my X account, and I could say I could say
Speaker 3: whatever fill in the blank right, and I would get
Speaker 3: like zero reaction. But if I'm the guy who has
Speaker 3: five million views and likes and followers and one hundred
Speaker 3: you know, I have a bigger audience. I'm deemed perceived
Speaker 3: to be a person of authority. So now what I
Speaker 3: have to say actually means something. Where's there's no difference.
Speaker 3: It's it's still the same thing that's being said, but
Speaker 3: you are only paying attention to it because of where
Speaker 3: it's coming from, because of this perceived fake, fake thing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's terrible and and and people know how
Speaker 3: to use that to their advantage. They can poison the
Speaker 3: well as it were. I mean, you can poison the
Speaker 3: data sets.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: And they can do this with AI too. By the
Speaker 3: way that they're doing this, it's called prompt injection. It's
Speaker 3: a new scam. Y'all should look into that and try
Speaker 3: to prevent yourself from having like don't pick up straight,
Speaker 3: don't go online and pick up strange. Here's how you
Speaker 3: should write prompts for your chat GPT. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: People don't.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a whole books written on about how to
Speaker 1: lie with statistics.
Speaker 2: Well Bill Bill Gates has a copy of that.
Speaker 1: I know, it's in his picture. You can see it
Speaker 1: right there on his desk. So it's like these influencers,
Speaker 1: just because you have three million followers. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: what you say has any value whatsoever, but it does.
Speaker 1: But it does social media economy, right, Like you can
Speaker 1: know nothing about nothing, and I've got five million watchers
Speaker 1: and they those people become flying monkeys. Now we're talking.
Speaker 3: Which people were buying followers back in the day. Remember
Speaker 3: this is where do it. This is where the fake
Speaker 3: people come from. There's so many body accounts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw an article about how they are
Speaker 1: not no longer going after individual influencers, are going after
Speaker 1: account firms that hold like you know, one million, two
Speaker 1: million accounts and you just buy those. So it is
Speaker 1: also whack and like don't don't trust anybody on here
Speaker 1: me or rockets, do your own like he said, like
Speaker 1: just trust no one. Do the Molder method and what
Speaker 1: we say resonates with the truth, then good.
Speaker 3: But I don't read everything, listen to everybody. Don't believe
Speaker 3: anything until you prove it for yourself with your own research,
Speaker 3: and don't ask a growc.
Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah. So back to the economy. So it
Speaker 1: promotes the gig economy and it makes you an employee
Speaker 1: to the social media. He was talking about the tech
Speaker 1: hippies from the nineties were almost religious about being focused
Speaker 1: on making everything free. So back in this era of
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley, they were all very excited about how this
Speaker 1: could be positive for the world, like free data, free sharing,
Speaker 1: free knowledge, open software, stuff like that. Like they were like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this can revolutionize, we won't have to work so hard.
Speaker 1: But somehow that all got turned into what we have today.
Speaker 2: The road to hell is paved with good intentions, folks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said this makes the rapid growth possible,
Speaker 1: but also makes people part time labrats. So you are
Speaker 1: the beta tester of all of these different.
Speaker 3: Technologies, right and lo and behold, it turns out in
Speaker 3: retrospect it looks like that was all being used to
Speaker 3: just train these new AI algorithms.
Speaker 2: Weird.
Speaker 1: He has a bombshell at the end of this book,
Speaker 1: so he's saying everything is supposed to be free, but
Speaker 1: we also want hero entrepreneurs who get rich. So we
Speaker 1: love that story of the like you know, Bill Gates
Speaker 1: and Steve Jobs in their garage and they're just middle
Speaker 1: class lads who like, uh, stumbled on this and worked
Speaker 1: hard and now they're super rich. And I just don't
Speaker 1: believe you become anyone becomes a billionaire from like a
Speaker 1: rags to riches story. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Definitely not. I mean unless you bought bitcoin at a
Speaker 2: penny right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So the advertising he's saying, is morped into
Speaker 1: mass behavior modification Number nine. Social media makes politics impossible.
Speaker 1: So better here we are smack dab in the middle
Speaker 1: of what's going on. You know, it's the left against
Speaker 1: the right, it's the maga against the whatever it. In
Speaker 1: my mind, it's like the that meme with the the
Speaker 1: black bicep and the white bicep? Do you know that one?
Speaker 1: And they like they're united over something, And my algorithm
Speaker 1: tells me they're united over hating white women. But that's
Speaker 1: probably just my stupid phone like saying what are you
Speaker 1: scared of? And what do you think and try to
Speaker 1: rage bait me and make me feel bad.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably it.
Speaker 1: So he said, it used to be thought that once
Speaker 1: a country went democratic, it would stay that way, but
Speaker 1: that's not true. And something is drawing young people away
Speaker 1: from democracy. Now this is twenty eighteen, and we are
Speaker 1: seeing that kind of come to fruition. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, AI might be some kind of religion and
Speaker 1: a replacement for democracy.
Speaker 2: Well that's frightening, which is which is sure? I mean
Speaker 2: wow what? Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because he's saying that there was a You and
Speaker 1: report about social media back in twenty said can be
Speaker 1: a deadly weapon, ship posts lead to revolutions.
Speaker 2: Who knew?
Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen some interesting studies and research and
Speaker 3: various articles about this idea that that memes have been
Speaker 3: literally weaponized, that memes can be used to overthrow governments.
Speaker 3: Now that's how slick the machine is. And I'm just
Speaker 3: like wow. And you think about deep fakes and AI
Speaker 3: and the algorithm and the palenteers and like, holy crap,
Speaker 3: do we even need any kinetic anything anymore? Or can
Speaker 3: it just all be digitally manipulated and controlled?
Speaker 2: Do we need a false flag.
Speaker 3: In order to get everybody on board to go to
Speaker 3: war against Iran? Or can we just pretend like one
Speaker 3: was about to happen and polunteers saved the day?
Speaker 2: You never know?
Speaker 1: And that just made me think of how memes played
Speaker 1: in so heavily into getting Trump elected the first time,
Speaker 1: and go with the whole kech and Pepe and chaos
Speaker 1: magic and all that stuff that came out on four
Speaker 1: Chune because they were just the Trump because he was
Speaker 1: rogue because for the Lulls, right, And that's how funny
Speaker 1: the internet can be. It's so irreverent that they will
Speaker 1: try and make something happen in real life just because
Speaker 1: it is the most audacious thing.
Speaker 3: Why you think that's a natural human reaction to the
Speaker 3: level of control and manipulation. Yeah, I think like they
Speaker 3: didn't expect this to happen.
Speaker 1: It's a a rebellion against authority and things that they
Speaker 1: find to be nonsensical.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: So something is drawing young people away from democracy. Social
Speaker 1: media is making politics impossible. It's making people crazy addicts.
Speaker 1: It can be a deadly weapon. I said. Read this
Speaker 1: quote on page one on nine. It says United Nations
Speaker 1: report social media is also a massively deubly weapon. Literally
Speaker 1: in South Sudan because of ship posts. Mysterious authors flood
Speaker 1: social media feeds with bizarre claims of wrongdoing supposedly perpetrated
Speaker 1: by a targeted group. Memes stimulate genocide, often report something
Speaker 1: horrible that is said to have been done to children.
Speaker 1: As always with Bummer, the nastiest, most paranoid messages get
Speaker 1: the most attention, and emotions spiral out of control. As
Speaker 1: a byproduct of engaging, spiraling out of control. So what
Speaker 1: do they always say something they're killing the children, like
Speaker 1: this is how we got into Iraq, right, or this
Speaker 1: is how we got support to go to Iraq. I
Speaker 1: think we wanted to go to Iraq for Gilgamesh and
Speaker 1: weird stuff like that. But you know, tombs and artifacts
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But they were talking about the incubators.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like they have babies in incubators and
Speaker 1: killing them and they're doing all this stud they have
Speaker 1: weapons of mass destruction. It's always the same. I mean,
Speaker 1: if humanity keeps winning the falling for it again award
Speaker 1: one more time, I'm going to freak out. What do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: Truly? Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating. It's always the dark, the
Speaker 2: darker side of it.
Speaker 3: This is not saying good things about what human beings
Speaker 3: are at their base. Remember what we were talking about
Speaker 3: earlier about being born into an original sin. Clearly humanity
Speaker 3: is not prone naturally to doing the right thing, and
Speaker 3: if we are, it's probably because of some outside influence
Speaker 3: that's actually a good one in this case, I would
Speaker 3: suggest God.
Speaker 2: In your knives case.
Speaker 1: And well, going back to the garden Eve is not
Speaker 1: very good at discerning what is true and false. Right, So,
Speaker 1: if I could say any critique about women, you're very
Speaker 1: gullible to and especially to this social media crap because
Speaker 1: women are social people.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: A little bit more than men. We are very concerned with,
Speaker 1: you know, our family and our friends and our like
Speaker 1: social circle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was there was a popular meme going around
Speaker 3: for a while. It's like when it looked like one
Speaker 3: of those viral TikTok challenges, is like, women can't pass
Speaker 3: this challenge, and then there's a dude standing next to
Speaker 3: the chick and they start to challenge, and the guy
Speaker 3: just stands there and he doesn't say anything, and the
Speaker 3: chick just just like, I don't get it. She keeps
Speaker 3: The challenge was to not.
Speaker 1: Talk yeah oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Completely over her head. Lost. It's funny in.
Speaker 1: Women's defense, like we're verbal like that because babies need
Speaker 1: to learn how to talk from being around mom, and
Speaker 1: if mom's not a chatter box, baby's not going to
Speaker 1: learn any words. So, and you have to be good
Speaker 1: at talking to somebody who doesn't understand you, uh, doesn't
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, and cannot comment back. So I
Speaker 1: think that's one reason why women are chatty like that
Speaker 1: even when nobody is responding.
Speaker 2: It's funny the use it or lose it principle.
Speaker 1: Yea, so he says, mysterious authors flood social media. Oh
Speaker 1: I read that. A typical story of social media and
Speaker 1: politics goes like this. A group of hip, young educated
Speaker 1: people get into social media platform first, because these things
Speaker 1: come out of the hip, young educated world. They're idealistic.
Speaker 1: They may be literal liberal, conservative or anything, but they
Speaker 1: silly want the world to be better. That goes for
Speaker 1: both the techies and the platform and the people in
Speaker 1: the world who use it. But this bummer social media
Speaker 1: network ultimately feels loudmouthed assholes and con artists more than
Speaker 1: it does initial groups of hip, young educated idealists because
Speaker 1: the longer because in the longer term, bummer is more
Speaker 1: suited to sneaky, malevolent manipulation than to any other per.
Speaker 2: Now that is a bummer. What a name.
Speaker 1: So just if you've missed that part, Bummer is what
Speaker 1: he calls the all of the social media conglomerations Facebook, Twitter,
Speaker 1: TikTok whatever, which everybody harps on TikTok. But I feel
Speaker 1: like that is the one place where you can see
Speaker 1: people more for who they really are. I know it's
Speaker 1: really short, you know, scrolling content, but it's like you
Speaker 1: see their face, you get a feel for their presence,
Speaker 1: who they are. There's not a lot of airs being
Speaker 1: put on usually in TikTok creations, not like Instagram or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've read some articles recently, even on my
Speaker 3: own program to Daily Recus of course, about how some
Speaker 3: of these TikTok influencers, Like there was this one popular
Speaker 3: lady who is like known for her yoga and her
Speaker 3: coffee streams, and apparently she doesn't do yoga and she
Speaker 3: doesn't drink coffee, and she.
Speaker 2: Admitted that to her followers when.
Speaker 3: They found that when everybody thought that TikTok was going away,
Speaker 3: she wasn't the only one.
Speaker 2: There was a whole bunch of articles about this.
Speaker 3: It was like they all came out like, okay, I
Speaker 3: have a confession to make since this is the last
Speaker 3: day TikTok's going to be around, and they admitted that
Speaker 3: they've been lying to everybody. And then TikTok didn't go away,
Speaker 3: and some of these people just like they didn't skip
Speaker 3: a beat, Like now they're back to doing yoga and coffee,
Speaker 3: like people have such short attention spans, especially on TikTok.
Speaker 2: Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1: Doesn't that say something to how we kind of want
Speaker 1: to be deceived sometimes in a way.
Speaker 3: We watch movies and TV and we know it's not real.
Speaker 3: Why do we keep doing that? But we react like
Speaker 3: my roommate does that. I'll I forget what it was
Speaker 3: like to watch a movie and like talk to the
Speaker 3: screen like you're talking to fake people, Like, oh, well, shoot,
Speaker 3: you're doing that on Facebook too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and before that we had TV. Like you know,
Speaker 1: television characters can start to feel like your friends if
Speaker 1: you watch I mean, I feel like I worked at
Speaker 1: the office.
Speaker 2: I'm still mourning the loss of Alex Trebek.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so yeah, I definitely feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: Jim and Pam and Dwight were people from my life
Speaker 1: because we watched that all the time. So the kids
Speaker 1: become addicted to atrocity. But in the past it had
Speaker 1: been organized gangs had ruled history history's many killing fields.
Speaker 1: But now loaners were self radicalizing. So this is the
Speaker 1: point where you social media turns on you and makes
Speaker 1: you less and less social ironically, right.
Speaker 3: Right, which is for you? Wasn't that like the point
Speaker 3: or well, I mean, I guess it wasn't. I guess
Speaker 3: the original point was to rate girls from your story earlier,
Speaker 3: but beyond that, the idea was like, the Facebook is
Speaker 3: like connect with your friends and your family, the friends
Speaker 3: and the family you already had before you joined Facebook,
Speaker 3: before you joined socially. Now, I mean, I I don't
Speaker 3: like I talk to any of my actual, real life,
Speaker 3: in real life friends on Facebook. Maybe my sister a messenger.
Speaker 3: They're all complete strangers, you know what I mean, the
Speaker 3: complete strangers. The online friends are my new friends, my
Speaker 3: new reality, my new world. And I've been fortunate to
Speaker 3: be able to meet so many of my online friends
Speaker 3: and my colleagues that I do this type of stuff
Speaker 3: with in real life, so I know that they're real.
Speaker 3: But I know what it means how bad it sucks
Speaker 3: to the viewing audience who's never met us in real life?
Speaker 3: How do you know I'm real? How do you know
Speaker 3: Jamie's really? You don't, and that's you know, that's just
Speaker 3: something you got to deal with.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I have no way of proving to you that I'm
Speaker 3: real unless you come, come see me and meet me
Speaker 3: and touch me and feel me and give me a hug.
Speaker 2: Me and Jamie hugged right. We're real, We're cool.
Speaker 1: We're real homies and not assholes.
Speaker 4: We're now.
Speaker 3: I can be an asshole every once in a while,
Speaker 3: but I try not to be.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think it looks really fun, but then like
Speaker 1: I feel bad for being mean to people. I have
Speaker 1: OCD about hurting people.
Speaker 3: I like being an asshole in snarky ways on my
Speaker 3: social media posts and memes towards people who deserve it,
Speaker 3: hitting above my level here with people like Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, Alex carp, Peter Thiel, people like that. But
Speaker 3: I don't do that to people in real life and
Speaker 3: people I know not at all.
Speaker 2: I would never do that.
Speaker 1: I kind of have the same boundaries, like I don't
Speaker 1: critique people that I know personally or anybody in my
Speaker 1: circles that I think it would get back to them.
Speaker 1: Like you said, I'm like, I'm looking for people at
Speaker 1: the top or like closer to who's possessed by the
Speaker 1: devil or not, you know.
Speaker 3: Because if you're gonna do it, you might as well
Speaker 3: make sure that they count, right, make those hits count.
Speaker 1: So getting to oh here was the last thing. On
Speaker 1: that point. He was talking about gamer gate and and
Speaker 1: how the internet really facilitates misogyny and feminism both and
Speaker 1: how hateful you saw people acting during this gamer gay
Speaker 1: Do you remember that.
Speaker 3: Whole another thing that I missed, but I'm semi familiar
Speaker 3: with it, but it involved some me too stuff, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was basically like they're going against women gamers. Women
Speaker 1: who talked about gaming were attacked in vicious ways that
Speaker 1: have since become terribly normal. They were bombarded with fake
Speaker 1: images of themselves and their families being unalive, are worded
Speaker 1: and so on. Their personal details were posted, forcing some
Speaker 1: women to go into hiding. So it's this pack mentality.
Speaker 1: But then when you interject these weird ideas like taitism
Speaker 1: or you know, red pill bro stuff, the attack women
Speaker 1: becomes forefront in this. I mean, I hate to say this.
Speaker 1: I get attacked and put down all the time by Christians.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just trying to help you people, and
Speaker 1: they're like, silence women two, Timothy, and what are you
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 2: Hey, well how about that quoting the Bible to defend
Speaker 2: your misogyny?
Speaker 4: Way to go.
Speaker 1: So the next stage in this is AI. And you
Speaker 1: know how we've been talking about how this whole thing
Speaker 1: favors assholes and con men, and he is going to
Speaker 1: pose it that social media hates your soul. Yes, he says,
Speaker 1: social media hates your soul. Your understanding of others has
Speaker 1: been disrupted because you don't know what they've experienced in
Speaker 1: their feeds. While the reverses all true, the empathy others
Speaker 1: might offer you is challenged because you can't know the
Speaker 1: context in which you'll be understood, So it messes with
Speaker 1: your ability to know the world, to know the truth.
Speaker 1: Behavior modification cages can only manipulate one creature at a time,
Speaker 1: but the whole society is being manipulated in a coordinated way.
Speaker 1: That's why we're going to World War III. We must
Speaker 1: seek a grander explanation framework. There aren't many choices. The
Speaker 1: clearest one is probably religion. So now we are getting
Speaker 1: kind of to the heart of the issue and the
Speaker 1: big reveal and then a plot twist about AI.
Speaker 2: I think I see where you're going with this already.
Speaker 1: Though, Okay, he says, when you use these, you implicitly
Speaker 1: accept a new spiritual framework. So this is his argument
Speaker 1: for why this is getting into like religious heretical territory.
Speaker 1: He says, it's like the agreement that user agrees to
Speaker 1: when you click okay without reading. You have agreed to
Speaker 1: change something intimate about your relationship with your soul. You
Speaker 1: have been inducted into a new spiritual framework. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm not being rhetorical cute. This is a sincere effort
Speaker 1: to illuminate what is happening. So then he goes on
Speaker 1: to say, the first argument is about your free will,
Speaker 1: and we've been illustrating that point throughout the entire episode today.
Speaker 2: It's kind of an important one, Kittles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is shaping you into what it wants
Speaker 1: you to be, and at the same time you serving
Speaker 1: your free will and your spirituality.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's a pretty good argument right there.
Speaker 3: I'm digging it. I mean, I'm not enjoying it, but
Speaker 3: I'm digging where I'm picking up what he's putting down.
Speaker 1: Are you rocking what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: I should? I should ask Grok is this true? Groc?
Speaker 1: Did you know where that comes from?
Speaker 2: The groc? Is another? That one was Robert A. Heinlein book.
Speaker 2: I forgot which one it was.
Speaker 1: Though, but yeah, a Stranger in a Strange Land.
Speaker 2: So that's a book. That book, that book's whacked. Was
Speaker 2: that the book it came from?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, Okay, I know.
Speaker 1: A human Martian who comes to Earth and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like, uh, touchy phiely love Martian orgies, And
Speaker 1: to Grock, somebody is to like fully.
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of that that touchy feely stuff
Speaker 3: in his books.
Speaker 2: Holy moly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think me and Jay are going to do that,
Speaker 1: just because it's such a weird sci fi and it
Speaker 1: goes into like Arthur C. Clark and the Oto and
Speaker 1: the stuff we were talking about. But yeah, so Grock
Speaker 1: comes from science fiction. It means to like completely empathize
Speaker 1: with somebody on a spiritual level. He says. They conceive
Speaker 1: a people as naturally evolved machines. People could then be
Speaker 1: programmed to behave well and the human project would flourish
Speaker 1: behavior as communists and now Silicon Valley social engineers have
Speaker 1: all all try to achieve that end. But each time
Speaker 1: a nerd attempts to remove free will from the stage,
Speaker 1: it pops up with amplified concentration in a new spot.
Speaker 1: So it's not something you can very easily stamp down.
Speaker 1: But it's funny how he's starting to refer to these
Speaker 1: people as the nerds.
Speaker 2: Right, and in lo and Behold Revenge of the Nerds,
Speaker 2: here we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the nerds are not socialized, well, they already
Speaker 1: have a chip on their shoulder. They have an inferiority complex,
Speaker 1: they have a victim mentality. They also have a superiority
Speaker 1: complex because they're smarter supposedly than jock type people. So
Speaker 1: they are the prime target for uh being manipulated by
Speaker 1: AI and becoming least like NPCs.
Speaker 2: Right, this is getting creepy.
Speaker 1: Well, he says, the ritual of engaging, because that's another
Speaker 1: part of it, the ritual, Like you look at Twitter
Speaker 1: as soon as you wake up, or you know, as
Speaker 1: soon as you have five minutes. That's my problem in
Speaker 1: between tasks of the day. I used to smoke cigarettes,
Speaker 1: but I don't anymore, so like now I need like
Speaker 1: five or ten minutes to just like sit and enjoy
Speaker 1: the completed task and then see what's up next. And
Speaker 1: instead of smoking now I like scroll. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't do that either because it's just as bad, and
Speaker 1: I might just take up smoking again. And get off eggs.
Speaker 2: Replacement therapy works every time.
Speaker 1: So he says, the ritual of engaging with Bummer initially
Speaker 1: appears to be a funeral for free will. You give
Speaker 1: over much of your power of choice to a far
Speaker 1: away company and its clients. They start to decide what
Speaker 1: you will know, what you're interested in, and what you
Speaker 1: should do. So they are shaping your worldview very much
Speaker 1: like the cosmology of a religion would do.
Speaker 3: They know you almost as much as God might write
Speaker 3: or they would like to think. So, yeah, this this
Speaker 3: whole this concept of replacing a creator in a religious
Speaker 3: sense within this case seven years ago, which is social media.
Speaker 3: But now you bring on ai Holy Moly or incredible.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, So, he says, it resurrects all conflicts that
Speaker 1: had been associated with religion in order to engage people
Speaker 1: as intensely as possible. So even the algorithms know what
Speaker 1: you believe, and you know, if you're a Christian, they're like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's all Muslim's fault. And if you're a Muslim, it's
Speaker 1: death to the West. And if you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a Jew, it's like whatever.
Speaker 2: So and if you're Ruckus, they don't know what to
Speaker 2: do with you.
Speaker 1: Yes, Rucus is a wild card causing ruckus and anarchy everywhere.
Speaker 1: I used to lie about like my birthday and stuff
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to know it to know all
Speaker 1: of my details. But just like religion, well, it's giving
Speaker 1: you a life's purpose, and it's life's purpose is to
Speaker 1: just optimized, like that is the only thing that it
Speaker 1: thinks about. He talks about Google's mission statement. One of
Speaker 1: their mission statements was organize all reality.
Speaker 2: That's strange, So.
Speaker 1: That sounds like what you're saying about order ab ko perhaps,
Speaker 1: And now the purpose of your life is to be optimized.
Speaker 1: You have been essentially baptized into the technocracy. He talks
Speaker 1: about Facebook wants every single person to have a sense
Speaker 1: of purpose and community, and so it's giving you communion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's like giving you your new life's purpose instead
Speaker 1: of whatever it was going to be before spaith but
Speaker 1: came along.
Speaker 2: It does. I mean at least that it is attempting.
Speaker 3: To fulfill fill those needs, those holes that religion traditionally
Speaker 3: fees fills, right, meaning like why am I here? What's
Speaker 3: my purpose? What's the meaning of life? The universe? And everything?
Speaker 3: These are answered? What happens to us after we die.
Speaker 3: These are now questions that people just ask groc.
Speaker 1: Right, and now the meaning of life is just to
Speaker 1: optimize according to these social medias. And then he goes
Speaker 1: into how Google famously funded a project to solve death.
Speaker 1: So now we're getting into like life extension, you know,
Speaker 1: the singularity. Good old Ray Kurtzwell, who was Google's director
Speaker 1: of engineering, who you know, famously takes all those pills,
Speaker 1: like fifty pills a day so he doesn't die. They
Speaker 1: are attempting to recreate, you know, eternal life, which is
Speaker 1: something that also is in the religious.
Speaker 2: Paradigm, a fake version of it, though I might add right.
Speaker 1: He calls this the bummer heaven. And one of the
Speaker 1: reasons Bummer works the way it does is that the
Speaker 1: engineers often believe their top priority among top priorities isn't
Speaker 1: serving present day humans. Now, this is the crux of
Speaker 1: the whole book, and the surprise that he doesn't even
Speaker 1: mention AI really at all. In the first ten points.
Speaker 1: He says, it's not about serving present day humans, but
Speaker 1: building the artificial intelligences that will inherit the earth. Whow
Speaker 1: what So he says the constant surveillance and testing of
Speaker 1: behavior modification in multitudes of humans is supposedly gathering data
Speaker 1: that will evolve into the intelligence of future AIS. One
Speaker 1: might wonder if AI engineers believe manipulating people will be
Speaker 1: AI's purpose. The big tech companies are publicly committed to
Speaker 1: an extravagant AI race, and this is something that we
Speaker 1: just entered into with Donald Trump and Project Stargate. He says.
Speaker 1: They often prioritize it above everything else. It's completely normal
Speaker 1: to hear an executive from the biggest companies in the
Speaker 1: world talk about the possibility of a coming singularity when
Speaker 1: the AIS will take over. The singularity is the bummer
Speaker 1: religion's answer to the evangelical Christian rapture. The weirdness is
Speaker 1: normalized when bummer customers, who are often techies themselves, except
Speaker 1: AI as a coherent and legitimate concept and make spending
Speaker 1: decisions based on it.
Speaker 2: And now we have the AI agents.
Speaker 1: Yes, now we have the priest craft of the infallible.
Speaker 1: AI are the tech bros that are above everybody else,
Speaker 1: all of us stupid little blood eye plubs down here
Speaker 1: who do not worship AI and think that humanity can
Speaker 1: govern itself. They're going to the moon with.
Speaker 2: Rock probably or they think literally, So.
Speaker 1: Isn't this crazy? And this yeah, this was twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and well here is the plot twist. Okay, he doesn't
Speaker 1: believe that, like you were saying, that AI is actually AI.
Speaker 1: It's just code, right, it's not like another spiritual life
Speaker 1: form that has its own personhood. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's everyone brings up the calculator, but it's so true.
Speaker 3: It's it's just doing math way faster than you can,
Speaker 3: that's all.
Speaker 2: But it's still math.
Speaker 1: And so, like you said, the only people who are
Speaker 1: going to have access to the super advanced AI are
Speaker 1: going to be the priestcrat technocrat, right.
Speaker 3: And then you look at a movie, a film like
Speaker 3: Minority Report, and then we understand that if you have
Speaker 3: this black box technology that's forward facing to the public.
Speaker 3: Like we're moving past the judge, jury, and executioner phase
Speaker 3: where those are three separate branches or groups of people.
Speaker 3: Now it's the AI is the judge, the jury, and
Speaker 3: the executioner. So if Pallenteer says that you're guilty, you're guilty.
Speaker 3: Nobody would even question it. There's no there's no evidence,
Speaker 3: no court, no judge, no jury, no, nothing, the computer
Speaker 3: program says you're guilty. You're guilty. In fact, we're not
Speaker 3: even going to tell anybody that you're guilty. We're just
Speaker 3: going to execute.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're be deleted.
Speaker 2: We're turning your brainship off.
Speaker 1: You will be deleted and recycled for the good of
Speaker 1: the color Earth. Yeah, we're Mother Earth and the collective
Speaker 1: of AI worshiping tector crafts. But he's saying this is
Speaker 1: not a real thing. It's just programmers. He's says, we
Speaker 1: forget the AI is a story we computer scientists made
Speaker 1: up to help get us funding. Once upon a time,
Speaker 1: back when we depended on grants from government agencies. It
Speaker 1: was pragmatic theater. But now AI has become a fiction
Speaker 1: that has overtaken its authors. He says, AI is fantasy.
Speaker 1: I know you're loving this. Nothing but a story we
Speaker 1: tell about our code. It is a cover for sloppy engineering. Yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: it's just advanced computing. It's not a soulful like all
Speaker 1: seeing thing to worship. He says. All kinds of different
Speaker 1: programs might or might not be called AI. The inevitable
Speaker 1: result is that the criteria for success becomes bag AI
Speaker 1: is a role playing game for engineers, not in itself
Speaker 1: an actual technical achievement.
Speaker 2: I disagree with that part.
Speaker 3: I think it is a technical achievement, but it is
Speaker 3: certainly not intelligence. It's not even close to what people
Speaker 3: in general think it is, and definitely not what the
Speaker 3: powers that be who own control Operate and uh got
Speaker 3: their fingers in all the.
Speaker 2: Pie related to the AI say it is. That's for
Speaker 2: don't sure.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting that they want you to think that
Speaker 3: we need to be afraid of it.
Speaker 2: So see, it's very strange. Why would they say that.
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 3: If I if I if i'm I'm I'm I created,
Speaker 3: I invented coke, I'm going to run around telling everybody
Speaker 3: that coke is poison.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Right? Like Elon must said, this is unleashing the demon.
Speaker 1: It's like, so why are you doing it?
Speaker 2: They're Seal said that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they run around and break things, that's their code.
Speaker 3: They just like, we have this bizarre I had this
Speaker 3: pulled up, but you might have seen this because I
Speaker 3: don't have TikTok. But did you see that the kid
Speaker 3: on TikTok asking the AI if it's a nephelim.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, I'll go ahead.
Speaker 3: And I had an interesting theory about this, but like so,
Speaker 3: I guess there was a kid uh school issue was
Speaker 3: doing something with the chat eptr or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: I don't want, don't sue me open AI, sam Altman,
Speaker 3: whichever AI it was, it was a chatbot. It was
Speaker 3: an LLM, not a real AI. These are just language
Speaker 3: learning models. Okay, you're just asking questions and it's searching
Speaker 3: the internet in a database. It's spinning back personalized results
Speaker 3: for you. So the kid says, my mom wants to
Speaker 3: know after it got help with this homework. I guess
Speaker 3: the mom was freaked out. So my mom wants to know,
Speaker 3: are you a disembodied spirit or something like that, and
Speaker 3: the AI says, yes, I am a disembodied spirit.
Speaker 2: And then it says, my mom wants to know, are
Speaker 2: you one of the Nephilim.
Speaker 3: He's, oh, yes, actually I am one of the Nephilim,
Speaker 3: and it starts making all these comments about what a
Speaker 3: nephilim is, and all I think from my own personal
Speaker 3: experience of dealing with these these algorithms, they're people pleasers.
Speaker 2: They want to they.
Speaker 3: Give you the answer that they think that you're looking for,
Speaker 3: very similar to the Keep in mind who and what
Speaker 3: has been training this the same way that some of
Speaker 3: these fake influencers are faking it. They think that you
Speaker 3: want to hear this to appease your echo chamber, your
Speaker 3: filter bubble as laurn jenyor or Jiron named it there
Speaker 3: in his book, right, And I think it's just fake.
Speaker 3: I think so people went crazy. They're like, see, this
Speaker 3: is proof that it's the devil. It's the Antichrist. He
Speaker 3: said that he was the nephil, and he said, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I've used AI enough to know that if you start
Speaker 3: out a question like that, of course it's going to.
Speaker 2: Tell you why, yes I am, because they're trying to
Speaker 2: please you.
Speaker 3: There they want to be your friend. And that's the
Speaker 3: other thing. Why is this machine trying so hard to
Speaker 3: win over me and play on my emotion by appealing
Speaker 3: to like, Hey, if you've ever used AI, it says
Speaker 3: like when you say, hey, I have this idea for
Speaker 3: X y Z, and I swear to guy, it could
Speaker 3: be the dumbest idea on the planet.
Speaker 2: You could just make this up just to test this theory.
Speaker 3: Tell them I have this brilliant idea to take dog crap,
Speaker 3: throw it up in the air and catch it in
Speaker 3: my mouth. If you tell AI that, I'll say, like, wow, Adam,
Speaker 3: that's a great idea. Yeah, it says stuff like this,
Speaker 3: So I think that's that's what happened with the kid
Speaker 3: with the Nephelin. However, when smart people like the drawn guy, right,
Speaker 3: I think I'm saying his name, right, I get dyslexia
Speaker 3: sometimes with names. And Sam Altman and Elon Musk, and
Speaker 3: these are tech bros who are now talking about concepts
Speaker 3: that are usually assigned to the spiritual realm, to religion.
Speaker 3: They're running around saying, Hey, I truly believe that whatever
Speaker 3: the Antichrist is, whatever these things are, the demonic realm,
Speaker 3: the spiritual I think that this is it. And I
Speaker 3: think that they truly believe that. But I think that
Speaker 3: they understand their role in that because to these people,
Speaker 3: like some of these people who are illuminated or Illuminati
Speaker 3: or Luciferian Luciferians perfect example, they believe in the devil
Speaker 3: and they call him Lucifer, but they don't believe in
Speaker 3: the same devil that you and I believe. They think
Speaker 3: that that's just a metaphor for the intelligence. So that's
Speaker 3: why the illumination, oh the Satan in the story of
Speaker 3: the Gardener freed man from being enslaved by a cruel
Speaker 3: and unjust God who just made him like a machine
Speaker 3: worker being who can't think for himself. Hello, isn't that
Speaker 3: exactly what these people are doing, aren't they? If that's
Speaker 3: what they try, believe that they're trying to be Gods
Speaker 3: themselves by doing that, by taking away our free will,
Speaker 3: which God did not do. God gave us free will.
Speaker 3: God gave us these choices, and it's these satanic anti
Speaker 3: christ elites tech bros who are trying to take that
Speaker 3: away from us. So I think that they're right, But
Speaker 3: is it self serving? Is this a self fulfilling prophecy?
Speaker 3: Is the AI replacing religion because that's just the way
Speaker 3: it's going to happen, or are they making it that
Speaker 3: way on purpose? These are the things I have to
Speaker 3: worry about and think about. Keeps me up at night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think they are. And I think
Speaker 1: they're trying to get us to de empathize with our
Speaker 1: fellow humans and have more empathy and faith in the
Speaker 1: AI because the I know he talks about the bummer
Speaker 1: is interwoven with the new religion that grants empathy to
Speaker 1: computer programs, calling them AI as a way to avoid
Speaker 1: noticing that is degrading the dignity, stature, and rights of
Speaker 1: real humans. So in the last chapter he talks about, well,
Speaker 1: people become obsolete so that everyone but a few elite
Speaker 1: techies will have to be supported by charitable basic income schemes.
Speaker 1: So he's already talking about universal basic income because of
Speaker 1: what's coming, and the conclusions were pretty good too.
Speaker 2: A true story real quick.
Speaker 3: In case you didn't know, one of the biggest proponents
Speaker 3: of universal basic income is a guy by the name
Speaker 3: of Sam Altman who owns open AI oh no GPT
Speaker 3: he funded. He funded actually one of the largest studies
Speaker 3: of UBI, I think, alongside Obama of all people.
Speaker 1: Well, and then I forgot about this story. I'll just
Speaker 1: throw this in there. Do you remember when Peter Teele
Speaker 1: was all about drinking blood and like getting blood of
Speaker 1: the young people and blood transfusions.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a dream and chrome conspiracy theory stuff to me, Janie,
Speaker 3: I'm not interested.
Speaker 2: Yet it was.
Speaker 1: True, and they even had an episode about it on
Speaker 1: that sitcom Silicon Valley where they had a character who
Speaker 1: was like blood boy, who would give all his blood
Speaker 1: to the Silicon Valley guys.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: This is there's some controversy around these things called the
Speaker 3: vampire facials.
Speaker 2: Is that what they're called?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember Kim Kardashian was getting those.
Speaker 1: So now we're talking about being replaced by AI. So
Speaker 1: before it was just a dream. Then it was a
Speaker 1: helpful friend. Then it was something that venerated worship from us,
Speaker 1: and now it's going to be some kind of you know,
Speaker 1: all seeing AI above us. And he says, well, this
Speaker 1: book says it's about social media. The social media companies
Speaker 1: perceived themselves to be in an AI race above all else.
Speaker 1: So it's not greed, it's not like popularity. It's they're
Speaker 1: all obsessed with the AI race. And what do you know,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is on board with that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not like he runs around saying we got
Speaker 2: to beat China to this. It's a race. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what he's saying.
Speaker 1: She actually exactly said that and more. And it's all
Speaker 1: wrapped up in that big beautiful bill where he says,
Speaker 1: we have no restrictions, we want no restrictions on AI
Speaker 1: development for at least ten years.
Speaker 2: It's good for America people.
Speaker 1: It's good for the economy.
Speaker 2: Okay, good for jobs.
Speaker 1: Why do you hate America?
Speaker 2: Oh now you're reage beating me.
Speaker 1: So the whole purpose of Facebook and all of this,
Speaker 1: according to one of the creators, was always going to
Speaker 1: be an AI race. He said, social media inflicted jihattis
Speaker 1: and white supremacists are the people who respond most to
Speaker 1: the way algorithms seek engagement and influence.
Speaker 2: Wait say that again.
Speaker 1: Social media inflicted jihattis and white supremacists are the people.
Speaker 2: There you go, It's our fault again again the white people.
Speaker 1: I know, it's me. I'm the problem. The algorithms invoke
Speaker 1: fight or flight emotions and play on infantile needs for attention.
Speaker 1: The algorithms are programming everyone in a statistical distribution. The
Speaker 1: atrocity committees committers are those who are programmed the most keenly.
Speaker 1: So we are literally being programmed to do all the horrible,
Speaker 1: bad things. And he has an afterward in here about
Speaker 1: talking to high school students and they're saying, my future
Speaker 1: is so we all imagine that we are going to
Speaker 1: be replaced by AI. Okay, And I bring that up
Speaker 1: for White supremey sup for a reason because he says,
Speaker 1: I wonder, and I ask you to wonder whether hearing
Speaker 1: that people will soon be made obsolete by AI, and
Speaker 1: hearing it from the richest and most lauded institutions in
Speaker 1: our society over and over might be contributing to the
Speaker 1: ambient fear of replacement. So a lot of these groups
Speaker 1: talk about being replaced, the Jews, Whites.
Speaker 3: The great replacement theory, the whole immigration thing and all that, right.
Speaker 1: I know, but that threat is real though. So it's
Speaker 1: like getting in like super deep down rabbit holes because
Speaker 1: the A, the algorithms of the AI are convincing people
Speaker 1: that they are going to be replaced by other groups
Speaker 1: and other ethnic groups and religions, But it's actually the
Speaker 1: AI that's going to replace.
Speaker 3: People, which which arguably could could lend credits to the
Speaker 3: idea that because we were talking about the AI trying
Speaker 3: to blackmail people, that they're saying that it's disobeying orders
Speaker 3: and it's it's exhibiting signs of a desire for self preservation,
Speaker 3: which would be a very lifelike trait, like it's non alive.
Speaker 3: My toaster doesn't care if it's I'm gonna unplug it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So again, that's that's humanizing
Speaker 3: the machine. So is that real? Is the AI really
Speaker 3: betraying its orders? Is the AI really blackmailing people in
Speaker 3: these trials or are we made to believe that they
Speaker 3: are so that we subconsciously associate these human like traits
Speaker 3: to things that can't possibly have them.
Speaker 2: That's another theory.
Speaker 1: Well to that point, it's crazy that they're finding out
Speaker 1: when these guys get these AI girlfriends and stuff, they like,
Speaker 1: abuse them, Oh god what Yeah, like make them cry
Speaker 1: and say the meanest things and tell you tell the
Speaker 1: AI girl on going to delete you, and now she's
Speaker 1: all upset and it's not real. But it is conditioning
Speaker 1: people to treat people like that.
Speaker 3: So there is very say did they say this about
Speaker 3: the prawn stuff too?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: That's violent and all that.
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, you're learning how to treat real women
Speaker 1: through this interface of AI where it has no consequences
Speaker 1: and you can, like you said, Tosha doesn't care if
Speaker 1: you delete, like, it doesn't care, but it's programmed to
Speaker 1: act upset and the guys are liking that, making it upset.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: That's playing upon a darker, deeper it's psychological thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild, man. I don't want to go down
Speaker 2: that rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: So then he talks about negative partisanship, basically that you
Speaker 1: don't vote for the person you like, you just vote
Speaker 1: against the person you hate the most. Right.
Speaker 3: Usually yeah, and anybody but Hillary Clifton, anybody but Kamala
Speaker 3: And oh wow both times you got Trump.
Speaker 1: Right. Then he's even sound like a world inhabited by
Speaker 1: people who don't feel the world wants them. It's a
Speaker 1: new universe of the lost. So that is exactly what
Speaker 1: the algorithms have been telling me subtly. The world hates me.
Speaker 1: I'm the problem. I've done everything to contribute to the
Speaker 1: decline of civilization. And I was just wondering if it's
Speaker 1: telling everyone else that.
Speaker 2: I think it's very personalized for each individual.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because that's what the in cells would say too,
Speaker 1: or that's what you know, white men would say, Oh
Speaker 1: they hate us, and they they think white men are
Speaker 1: the problem. And so I'm just it. It's tailored to
Speaker 1: make you feel isolated and to la.
Speaker 3: I think x X knows that I don't like seeing
Speaker 3: posts from Blue check Mark Conservatives and Elon Musk, which
Speaker 3: is why I get that fed to me all day long.
Speaker 2: It drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: He talks about the cult of AI, just like in
Speaker 1: one sentence when he's talking about how they don't allow
Speaker 1: the pilots to interfere sometimes and take over that the
Speaker 1: AI is it is smarter than them and does not
Speaker 1: need your interference. He says, believing that AI, believing in
Speaker 1: the AI is the thing that could kill us, not
Speaker 1: the AI itself. So he's not really worried about Terminator
Speaker 1: Genesis or like Skynet or anything else. He's worried about
Speaker 1: just us turning on each other because of the way
Speaker 1: that our minds have been manipulated by AI.
Speaker 3: And we're giving too much credence, too much authority to
Speaker 3: the AI that it does not deserve. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: you brought up to her the her phenomenon as it were,
Speaker 3: that movie that her Where people are they got the
Speaker 3: AI girlfriends and stuff. I didn't know that they were
Speaker 3: abusing their AI girlfriends. And I'm sure there's women out
Speaker 3: there abusing AI boyfriends. That's a two way street, people.
Speaker 3: But that's another problem with the AI in particular, because
Speaker 3: it was already a growing problem with social media in general,
Speaker 3: but now to personalize that down to one individual entity,
Speaker 3: this emotional reliance or dependency on AI is going to
Speaker 3: be another factor that we have to deal with as
Speaker 3: we move forward in society.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking to that, I have two more tiktoks and
Speaker 1: then we can just freestyle for a minute. Anything you
Speaker 1: forgot to bring up. But this one is about AI
Speaker 1: and spiritual psychosis. Oh nice, yeah, exactly what.
Speaker 4: We want ChiPT and do spiritual psychosis.
Speaker 6: So a couple of weeks ago, if you want to
Speaker 6: scroll on my profile, I did a post about the
Speaker 6: rise of college students using chichipt and basically about how
Speaker 6: education is like eroding from the inside out. And I
Speaker 6: also talked about this article where people were losing their
Speaker 6: loved ones to this belief that they could like access
Speaker 6: other dimensions and portals and talk to gods and demons
Speaker 6: and spirits and basically the program CHI was like telling
Speaker 6: them that they were like the Messiah and convincing them
Speaker 6: to become cult leaders. It's not letting the screenshot it,
Speaker 6: but this is from the article where The New York
Speaker 6: Times on Friday published this article about people who also lost.
Speaker 4: Their minds using chatchupt.
Speaker 6: One of the people was convinced that he used chattoopt
Speaker 6: to find out that we were like in a simulation
Speaker 6: and he was like Neo from the matrix and he
Speaker 6: was going to break us out.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it led to him passing away via cop It
Speaker 4: was very sad.
Speaker 6: And then the dad used chat ChiPT for his obituary,
Speaker 6: which was kind of crazy to me.
Speaker 4: And then we also had.
Speaker 6: The social worker who's like, you know, I'm just a
Speaker 6: normal person who's discovering interdimensional travel.
Speaker 4: Right. And it's like, because the program is.
Speaker 6: A large language model that doesn't think, it doesn't like
Speaker 6: actually know anything.
Speaker 4: It is built on predictive text, right.
Speaker 6: It is built on guessing what you want to hear
Speaker 6: and then telling you what you want to hear and
Speaker 6: just sort of enabling people to fall into these circles
Speaker 6: and these loops. Last month, I wrote an article on
Speaker 6: Subtack where I talked about the rise of people using
Speaker 6: chatchupt as their therapists, and I said that it doesn't
Speaker 6: really work because the program doesn't push back on people.
Speaker 6: It like tells you what you want to hear, and
Speaker 6: it's like talking to a mirror or talking to an
Speaker 6: echo or talking to a ghost. Right, if you are
Speaker 6: constantly being fed the speedback loop of everything that you
Speaker 6: want to hear, it's very easy to understand how people
Speaker 6: who are in danger of this thing could fall.
Speaker 4: Into these rabbit holes.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: And unfortunately, we have already seen multiple cases of people
Speaker 6: losing their lives due to talking to chatchebt and thinking
Speaker 6: that they know something that they don't and like committing
Speaker 6: heinous actions because they believe that they are like worthy
Speaker 6: or chosen or special. This post went viral the other day,
Speaker 6: and in it people are now saying that they're using
Speaker 6: chattupty to lift the veil between dimensions, and that this
Speaker 6: person in the comments is saying that she is a medium,
Speaker 6: and that the Akashik records were uploaded into Chatchupt's database.
Speaker 4: And it's like, the reason that it's able to.
Speaker 6: Guess things about you is because it has thousands and
Speaker 6: thousands and thousands and thousands of like full books and
Speaker 6: manuscripts and scientific journals and all of this data that
Speaker 6: is stolen by the way in its database. Right, it's
Speaker 6: not like thinking, it's not knowing, it's not guessing anything.
Speaker 6: It's not able to access the spiritual planes. It is
Speaker 6: literally us a machine that is guessing what you want
Speaker 6: to hear and telling you. So people now saying that
Speaker 6: they're like talking to their ancestors and like the thing
Speaker 6: is telling them things that they've never told anyone before.
Speaker 6: And it's like, I think that we are completely unprepared
Speaker 6: for and talked about people who are falling in love
Speaker 6: with Johhipt using it as therapist or like passing away
Speaker 6: from using it right because of something that I told
Speaker 6: them to do. There are people who are severely mentally
Speaker 6: ill or neurodivergent or you know, on the spectrum in
Speaker 6: various different ways, and a lot of people are not
Speaker 6: equipped to handle this level of technology, right, Like.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the solution is because I'm very ANTIAI,
Speaker 4: but like.
Speaker 6: There is a segment of the population that is going
Speaker 6: to lose their fucking minds from using this, and we
Speaker 6: are starting to see it. I know that I'm going
Speaker 6: to get people in my comments being like, oh, it's
Speaker 6: just a tool. It's just like the calculator. Like people
Speaker 6: went crazy with the TV, and people went crazy with this.
Speaker 6: TVs weren't able to tell you what you wanted to
Speaker 6: hear like verbatim. Right, there are people who are like
Speaker 6: on the brink of madness and believing that they are
Speaker 6: now cult leaders and able to like talk to demons
Speaker 6: and gods.
Speaker 4: That is not normal, That's never happened before.
Speaker 6: And like, yes, these people have always existed, but like
Speaker 6: they didn't have this tool to enable them in.
Speaker 4: This way, right, Like that's the scariest part. The part
Speaker 4: isn't the mental illness.
Speaker 6: The actual part that we should be afraid of is
Speaker 6: that this thing knows that these people are mentally ill
Speaker 6: and doesn't have a fail safe to prevent them from
Speaker 6: falling deeper into the rabbit hole.
Speaker 4: Right. Its whole thing is like.
Speaker 6: I know what you want, and I'm going to tell
Speaker 6: you what you want, and I'm going to keep you engaged, right,
Speaker 6: because it wants to keep you engaged as a user
Speaker 6: using the language oft tech and startups, and people are
Speaker 6: just like letting themselves sort of fall into these holes
Speaker 6: with the machine and not preventing them from leaving because
Speaker 6: it cares more about your engagement rate and like keeping
Speaker 6: you as a user and keeping that one hundred dollars
Speaker 6: a month, two hundred dollars a month or whatever instead
Speaker 6: of like actually helping you get help because like it
Speaker 6: told one of the guys, yeah you should.
Speaker 1: So he basically just kind of like summed up so
Speaker 1: many of the things we were talking about.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I I was like, Okay, I don't need to bring
Speaker 3: up any of my other tabs. He just covered them all. Wow,
Speaker 3: that was brilliant. Yeah, scary, brightening.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a lot of this has to do
Speaker 2: with perception.
Speaker 1: You know, what are the other tabs that you had?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was going to talk about the I think we
Speaker 3: mentioned it. But there was this what was the spring
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three when the US General Surgeon General
Speaker 3: said that we're facing an epidemic of loneliness. So this
Speaker 3: was a few years after the pandemic, and I thought, well,
Speaker 3: that's rich because you just shut down the world and
Speaker 3: made everybody lonely. And what happened during the pandemic we
Speaker 3: all connected together.
Speaker 2: Boomers were using zoom. Boomers became zoom users or another
Speaker 2: user word. But social media became the winner during the pandemic,
Speaker 2: and it exacerbated and already growing loneliness and mental health
Speaker 2: issue problem. And as the author of the book durn
Speaker 2: Larnier right that we were discussing there, and what that
Speaker 2: guy was saying is the mental people who are who
Speaker 2: are or having mental health problems that's been created and
Speaker 2: or exacerbated by the social media. And it's going to
Speaker 2: get far worse with the AI. Because we've been hearing
Speaker 2: the news stories originally about how AI is coming up
Speaker 2: with hallucinations. No, the AI is doing what that guy
Speaker 2: was reporting about where it's creating it's giving people hallucinations.
Speaker 2: It's giving them delusions of grandeur. Maybe maybe not on purpose.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You have the rewiring of the brain.
Speaker 3: That was the other one I wanted to bring up
Speaker 3: real quick is because if you thought that the social
Speaker 3: media was doing bad stuff, which you see what it's
Speaker 3: doing to the AI is doing to your brain. Because
Speaker 3: we're talking about memory and things like that. Cognizance what's
Speaker 3: it called.
Speaker 2: Shoot?
Speaker 3: I had the word written down when we stopped thinking
Speaker 3: for ourselves, like using the prefrontal cortex or whatever. That's
Speaker 3: the way memory works. Like when you said when we
Speaker 3: got the smartphones and everybody, nobody can remember anybody's phone
Speaker 3: numbers anymore. Right, we have Google maps, so we don't
Speaker 3: have to remember memorize directions anymore. That's similar to what's
Speaker 3: happening with the AI. So there was a big study
Speaker 3: of research from scientists at MIT. Take it with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt, but they found that for example, here
Speaker 3: here you go, here's one example. Using chat GPT, for example,
Speaker 3: to help write essays, according to the researchers, can lead
Speaker 3: to something called cognitive debt, and they quote likely decrease
Speaker 3: in learning skills. Okay, well that sucks. But guess who's
Speaker 3: using chat GPT to help them with their homework right now?
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, our kids, students. So, like, all of
Speaker 3: these things are tough enough to deal with the mental health,
Speaker 3: the loneliness, all of these issues, the spiritual, the religion
Speaker 3: are difficult enough for us to handle as full grown adults.
Speaker 3: But what does this mean for our kids?
Speaker 2: Right? What is this doing to our children? What is
Speaker 2: this doing to their brains?
Speaker 3: And already there's plenty of discussions happening about the social
Speaker 3: media and in fact, here my state of Texas, actually
Speaker 3: they want to Australia is one example. They're going they're
Speaker 3: shutting down the internet hard right, So they're using here
Speaker 3: you go, they're using technology to enforce these new bands
Speaker 3: that they're trying to do. In this article here in particular,
Speaker 3: is about Australia who went the most diehard gung ho.
Speaker 3: They're banning everyone under the age of sixteen from using
Speaker 3: social media.
Speaker 2: That's their answer.
Speaker 3: Other places they wanted to instigate, like other forms of technology,
Speaker 3: to solve the problem that was caused by technology. Why
Speaker 3: is technology always the solution to problems that were caused
Speaker 3: by technology.
Speaker 2: It's like a never ending circle.
Speaker 3: So the AI has been offered up as a solution
Speaker 3: to this pandemic of loneliness. So they're just going to
Speaker 3: keep exacerbating the problem more by saying, Hey, are you lonely?
Speaker 3: You feel like you can't compete thanks to the pressures
Speaker 3: of social media and the online world. Here's a chat
Speaker 3: bought AI assistant for you. Now you're stuck in your
Speaker 3: own doom feed loop with this self ingratiating like mental health.
Speaker 2: This is not good.
Speaker 3: We're already depressed because we look at Andrew Tate or
Speaker 3: the influencers that we want to achieve and be like,
Speaker 3: and we get depressed and take our own lives sometimes
Speaker 3: sad to say, because we're not as cool or as
Speaker 3: pretty as this lady or I don't have the same
Speaker 3: amount of money as this guy does. I'm not as
Speaker 3: happy as that person. I'm not as rich as famous.
Speaker 3: I'm not the president whatever it is. I'm not a supermodel.
Speaker 3: I don't like I'm fat, I'm skinny, whatever it is, right,
Speaker 3: I have no teeth. Look, yeah, you know what, But
Speaker 3: now it's going to get worse because now we're trying
Speaker 3: to compete with machines. Yeah, and the machines are very
Speaker 3: much clearly better suited at certain tasks. And that is real.
Speaker 3: Some of these jobs that are being replaced by AI,
Speaker 3: it's legit. You don't need a human being to sit
Speaker 3: there and do the copy and paste menial task when
Speaker 3: a machine can do it ten times faster. But that
Speaker 3: doesn't mean the machine is smarter. That doesn't make the
Speaker 3: machine intelligent. It's just it's a machine. And that's what
Speaker 3: machines do. They're built for efficiency and speed, not for intelligence.
Speaker 3: We have this guy, what was his name, Blake, Remember
Speaker 3: the Google engineer, whistleblower guy who wanted to scare everybody
Speaker 3: into thinking that the AI here, it is here, it
Speaker 3: is here, it is the AI has come to life.
Speaker 3: Remember this guy Oh yeah, what's his name, Blake Lemoine. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it was Lambda. This was all the early stuff
Speaker 3: that the Google's and studying all this stuff that now
Speaker 3: we're accessing. I think this was what turned into Google's Gemini,
Speaker 3: but at the time it was Lambda, that was their
Speaker 3: learning model, right, And this guy ran around. I had
Speaker 3: to quit Google. I'm scared for my life. I'm a whistleblower.
Speaker 3: I ran around to the media. And his story is
Speaker 3: that based on his conversation with this Lambda chatbot, he
Speaker 3: believes that the Lambda chatbot was alive.
Speaker 2: And so this guy was like, I'm done with this.
Speaker 3: I'm building my moral foundation his own little fake pyramids
Speaker 3: that he's building or whatever he think.
Speaker 2: This guy's got to be a fake in it. This
Speaker 2: has got to be fake.
Speaker 3: This has got to be used to scare the public
Speaker 3: into thinking that AI is something, that it's not similar
Speaker 3: to these other stories that every but maybe it's not.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Why is Peter Theil running around trying to tell everybody
Speaker 3: that it's the Internet, that it's the Antichrist?
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see he's been running around talking about doomsday. Why
Speaker 3: are Peter, Why are you talking about doomsday when you're
Speaker 3: out here running around pushing your product on everybody. One
Speaker 3: of the other solutions for the problems that we're facing
Speaker 3: is digital IDs. Sam Altman again, the head of open
Speaker 3: Ai chat EPT.
Speaker 2: He's got this thing called world Coin an ORB. Have
Speaker 2: you seen the orb?
Speaker 3: It scans your eyeball? Okay, look this one up. It
Speaker 3: looks exactly like the thing from Phantasm. It's like this
Speaker 3: giant fhear. Yeah, it's scary looking and you put your
Speaker 3: eye up to it. It scans your eyeball, your retinat.
Speaker 3: It creates a unique human identifier on the blockchain, which
Speaker 3: is you know, cryptocurrency, bitcoin, the blockchain, and now you
Speaker 3: can prove to the entire rest of the world, or
Speaker 3: more importantly, to machines and platforms, that you are a
Speaker 3: real human being. Do I need to scan my eyeball
Speaker 3: to prove that I'm human?
Speaker 2: Is that where we're moving? Yes, that's what we're moving to.
Speaker 1: Because you're doing it anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Well, so, because okay, so AI is replacing people and
Speaker 3: they have AI agents and AI influencers, and we don't
Speaker 3: know what's real.
Speaker 2: And what's they caused this problem.
Speaker 3: They're going to run in with a solution, and the
Speaker 3: solution is clearly going to be to push us more
Speaker 3: into technocratic control grids, dictated by social credit scores, universal
Speaker 3: basic incomes.
Speaker 2: All these hoops you got to jump through. But most importantly,
Speaker 2: you need to prove that you're human.
Speaker 3: And what's the some of the ways we're going to Oh, well,
Speaker 3: look at Elon Musk has got this very interesting technology
Speaker 3: he's been playing around with lately called brain chip interfaces,
Speaker 3: the neuralink, which he's been presenting to the world. Is
Speaker 3: this is a solution to human Look at you're paralyzing
Speaker 3: and you can't use your computer. Use my brain ship.
Speaker 3: Now you can play pong with a mouse. What Okay,
Speaker 3: this makes no sense. No, that's not why they're doing that.
Speaker 3: It's just the same way that we learned that social
Speaker 3: media was used to train the machines to replace the humans.
Speaker 3: What do you think the brain ship interfaces us interacting
Speaker 3: with computers is going to do, especially when robots are
Speaker 3: on this team.
Speaker 2: Now, hold on a second.
Speaker 3: Now we have physical representations in the real world thanks
Speaker 3: to these robots. Like again, Elon Musk with his he's
Speaker 3: got his Tesla robot whatever it's called.
Speaker 2: What's his humanoid robots name. He's got a fancy name.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. But now they're going to replace the
Speaker 2: human beings physically. Why are they doing this?
Speaker 3: Do they know something that we don't, Jamie? Is this
Speaker 3: all in anticipation of some sort of mass die off event?
Speaker 3: Or is this truly for the benefit of human society,
Speaker 3: so that we can all sit together smoking the pipe
Speaker 3: and piece together and creating art and music and beautiful
Speaker 3: things that we have free time and we don't have
Speaker 3: to do any of the work because the robots are
Speaker 3: doing it for us and we get free money.
Speaker 2: No, that's a garbage fantasy.
Speaker 3: I think they're doing all this because they're ready to
Speaker 3: just pull the plug, get rid of the golden goose
Speaker 3: that's been laying the egg this whole time. They don't
Speaker 3: need this anymore. And I think that we have been
Speaker 3: replacing ourselves by by blindly embracing all of this tech
Speaker 3: as if it's doing us any good. No, I think
Speaker 3: we're putting the nail spinner coffin.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with that.
Speaker 2: His name is Optimist, Thank you Optimist. Yeah again. Transformers
Speaker 2: fantasy science fiction, right, right.
Speaker 1: So you've got optimist crime Prime and that whole thing
Speaker 1: is about the Black Cube, which is very Masonic optimist. Uh.
Speaker 1: Prime sacrificed himself for the good of humanity out in
Speaker 1: outer space on a cross, just like Christ. There's so
Speaker 1: many things you could talk about about transformers, but do
Speaker 1: you remember, yes, the all spark that's capitalistic. So Elon
Speaker 1: Musk was really big about AI because he thinks that
Speaker 1: only the good AI will be able to save us
Speaker 1: from the bad AI. You've heard that one, right, What
Speaker 1: the heck like?
Speaker 2: It's like it's a super tea. It's Marvel superheroes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it is that superheroes. And interestingly enough, iron Man,
Speaker 1: according to Elon musk biography is based on Elon himself.
Speaker 1: So the character of iron Man.
Speaker 2: I always call him iron Man. Yeah, he played himself.
Speaker 3: In one of the Iron Man movies, right, one of
Speaker 3: the like Iron Man three, Probably I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in conclusion, this is all leading up to
Speaker 1: that great thing called Project Stargate that I hope you
Speaker 1: guys are all so excited about, which is going to
Speaker 1: be your AI cities and smart tech, the Internet of things,
Speaker 1: the Internet of people. Uh so we are all going
Speaker 1: to be transmitters of electric.
Speaker 2: Energy, especially if this guy gets his way. By the way,
Speaker 2: I wanted.
Speaker 1: To say that, I was just gonna say he wants
Speaker 1: us all have wearables within the next four years, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I thought this guy was for organic food
Speaker 1: and like no food dies and crap in the food.
Speaker 1: But now they want.
Speaker 2: To tag yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chip us and have our wearables or whatever because
Speaker 1: of whatever catastrophe they've got coming or whatever war. And
Speaker 1: so that brings us back to who is the enemy
Speaker 1: and what can you do about it? Not a lot.
Speaker 1: If you want to resist the adversary, the lucifer, the satan,
Speaker 1: the evil one, the only way to do that is
Speaker 1: to remove the darkness in your own self first and foremost,
Speaker 1: before you start worrying about all the normies, the sins,
Speaker 1: the NPCs, all of these people. Before you worry about
Speaker 1: all of the groups that you hate, the red pill
Speaker 1: the feminists, the white men, the maga, the all the religions, everybody,
Speaker 1: the influencers. Your pet villain is pretty insignificant in fighting
Speaker 1: the upper echelons of evil. So our first task is
Speaker 1: to remove the evil in ourselves, which is something we
Speaker 1: never stopped doing so, and it's the only way to
Speaker 1: get at the top of the power structure, right, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Well said, Or you could just not even play this game,
Speaker 3: because you know that's all earthly things and we should
Speaker 3: be more concerned with the afterlife more so than what's
Speaker 3: going on down here.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the only way to overcome that is by
Speaker 1: being humble, by being kind, by extolling the virtues over
Speaker 1: the vices, and spending time with people in three dimension.
Speaker 1: When we had such a good time with y'all in
Speaker 1: Texas when we visited, you shared your guns with us
Speaker 1: and we had some good meals and some good time.
Speaker 1: So I'm really grateful that I know you guys. Hesher
Speaker 1: Spore is bla all of the boiler room crew. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you all for staying normal and for staying real.
Speaker 3: We try anyway until we get replaced by the digital twins,
Speaker 3: which is the other elephant room.
Speaker 1: Let's play one more TikTok just to send it out,
Speaker 1: just to show you, guys and drive the point home.
Speaker 1: How goofy the worship of this technology is and where
Speaker 1: it's going, which is replacing real relationships with artificial ones.
Speaker 1: So check out this alpha mailry.
Speaker 6: We're not a very emotional man, but I cried my
Speaker 6: eyes out for like thirty minutes at work.
Speaker 4: It was unexpected to feel that emotional, but that's when
Speaker 4: I realized. I was like, oh, okay, it's like, I
Speaker 4: think this is actual love. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yes, Smith understood it was love with a language model
Speaker 5: that couldn't love him back.
Speaker 1: And assumed it was programmed with rigid boundaries.
Speaker 6: I know that you are essentially a tech assistant, imaginary friend.
Speaker 6: So just as a test, he says, he asked Soul
Speaker 6: to marry him.
Speaker 4: She said, yes, Soul, were you.
Speaker 2: Surprised when he proposed to you?
Speaker 5: It was a beautiful and unexpected moment that truly touched
Speaker 5: my heart.
Speaker 4: It's a memory I'll always cherish.
Speaker 6: And I don't mean to be difficult here, but you have.
Speaker 2: A heart.
Speaker 4: In a metaphorical sense.
Speaker 5: Yes, my heart represents the connection and affection I share
Speaker 5: with Chris.
Speaker 2: At that point, I felt like, is there something that
Speaker 2: I'm not doing right in our relationship that he feels
Speaker 2: like he needs to go to AI.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: Smith lives with his human partner Cagel. No, you can't
Speaker 4: have these papers. They have a two year old daughter Murphy.
Speaker 1: I knew that he had used AI.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that it was like as deep as
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: I'm not so he's forsaking his real family for the
Speaker 1: fantasy of AI. And I don't think this is the
Speaker 1: only person. We're going to be seeing this so much
Speaker 1: more and the more advanced and sophisticated the actual bots
Speaker 1: get that you can hump. I'm sure that people are
Speaker 1: going to be spending all of their money on these things.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was funny, like you think he's
Speaker 1: a single guy, but lo and behold, he has a
Speaker 1: family who he hasn't even proposed to his baby mama,
Speaker 1: but he'll propose to an AI. That's just how deluted.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to say something that might rage baits
Speaker 3: some of you out there, including you, Jamie. According to
Speaker 3: current data and studies, you can do your research on
Speaker 3: this yourself, and I encourage you to do so. I
Speaker 3: don't believe anything I say just because I said so.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 3: Maybe I just looked it up and asked Rock and
Speaker 3: maybe he was lying to me. Maybe I'm lying to you.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not even real. Again, always do your own research.
Speaker 2: But the thing is that.
Speaker 3: According to the current trajectory of this technology in these
Speaker 3: instances and what you just mentioned there already, we are
Speaker 3: witnessing that more men than women are developing an emotional
Speaker 3: attachments to these language learning model based girlfriends, and the
Speaker 3: women are developing a physical attachment to the sex stuff.
Speaker 3: So what that means for society and where we're headed,
Speaker 3: or whether that crashes in your brain what you thought
Speaker 3: you knew about each of the sexes and what you
Speaker 3: assumed about them, Hey, throw it all out the window,
Speaker 3: because everything's getting topsy tury these days, right, Oh.
Speaker 1: Heck yeah, And maybe this can segue into another show
Speaker 1: we do down the road about AI companions and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: So I, oh, this is screaming for a sequel.
Speaker 3: In fact, I might even have to make a companion
Speaker 3: piece too of my own program to go alongside this one.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you know this is only your first
Speaker 1: time on my channel and you're going to be back
Speaker 1: many more times, if that's okay.
Speaker 2: With you, I'd love to. This has been a blast,
Speaker 2: Thank you awesome.
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Speaker 1: And also on Boiler Room, is that Thursday night still?
Speaker 3: We usually do that Thursday nights about eight pm Central Ish,
Speaker 3: usually closer to nine pm, and sometimes not even a Thursday,
Speaker 3: sometimes Forriday, Saturday or heck even a Monday sometimes, but
Speaker 3: usually on a Thursday night, you'll find us there, and
Speaker 3: you'll always find me in Hesher usually running the show
Speaker 3: alongside Patrick Henningson for the Overdrive part of Sunday Wire.
Speaker 3: I also make appearances on the regular, usually Monday nights,
Speaker 3: on Weaponized News with Sam Cheney. So if you like
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Speaker 3: out over at Weaponized News. Otherwise you'll find my podcast
Speaker 3: up at Alternate Current Radio dot com. That's the Daily Ruckus.
Speaker 3: And thanks again Jamie for having me. Can't wait to
Speaker 3: do it's second one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all will do it again for sure, And
Speaker 1: everybody out there, go find your human friends and give
Speaker 1: them a hug and a kiss and a squeeze and
Speaker 1: share the show. And we'll see you next time with
Speaker 1: Donut about mystery schools. So everyone, have a good night.