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Speaker 1: Welcoming back to Out of this world. Guys. I'm Jamie

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Hanshaw and joining me today is Rugus, my good friend

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Ruckus who is the host of The Daily Ruckus on

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Alternate Current Radio dot com and also a fellow boiler

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Room Froggy.

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Speaker 2: Right, Guilty, guiltiest charged. Jamie, this is nice.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. This is gonna be

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fun on your own program or usually we like can't.

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I can't have you on my program, the Daily Ruckus,

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because I just report news and do other things. Maybe

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I'll do a special sideways interview program that involves other guests.

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But it's fascinating that now I get to be on

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my fellow boiler roomors podcasts occasionally and now finally yours.

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So thanks for having me. We have a big discussion today.

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It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: I know. So in this day and age. I don't

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know if you've heard, but World War three is popping off.

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Its to me crazy, and it seems like this is

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the year of a million villains. And I wanted to

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sort of rant to you at the beginning of the

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show today because I have noticed that well, the phone

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is trying to mind control you, right, is trying to

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get you to do all of these things. I wrote

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a joke and I said, my phone wants me to

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number one, get a divorce, and number to spend all

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my money. And I'm like, silly, Phone, how can I

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afford to shop if I don't have a husband? Right?

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So I told Jay that joke and he's like, what

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do you mean it wants you to divorce me? And

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I was like, it's just a joke. But yeah, I

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can see where things are trying to nudge you in

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certain directions. And that's what we're going to talk about today,

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is like are you the product of your own original

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thoughts and experiences or are you a simulation that is

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just like being blown back and forth hither to accomplish

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some nefarious goal. And we'll get into what that could be,

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but today I just wanted to I'm so frustrated ruckus

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because the phone, the algorithm, everything society has told me

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that I am the problem. Okay, everything is my fault

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as a white woman. So I don't know if you've

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experienced this on your innerweb searching as a white man,

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it tells you you're the problem. If it's if you're

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a black man, it says you're the problem. But it

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has completely convinced me that the whole world is against me.

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Everyone hates me. I know that's not true, but every

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time I'll log on, conservatives are like, it's liberal white

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women's fault. And then the liberals are like, well, it's

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conservative white women's fault, and the feminists are like, we

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love everyone except white women. And you go through these

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threads and the threads are like, it's all women's fault,

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and then someone says, no, it's not just women, it's

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women over forty. No, it's not them, it's childless women

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over forty. So they might as well just say it's

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all Jamie's fault, because it's like everything that I am,

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I'm being programmed to accept this responsibility for the collapse

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of civilization just because I'm a white woman and I'm

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not trying to be weird. It's I uh. I realized

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that on election day when I got called what did

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I get called? I got called Ava Braun of the

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Fourth Reich, and I got called a crypto feminist. So

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two extremes of a thing, and I'm like, neither of

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these things is true, so I must be just some

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kind of blank canvas to project your anger onto, right,

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and I've noticed that other groups are getting the same treatment.

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I mean, once you convince a tinfoil hat to feel

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so sorry for Jews, I mean that I feel sorry

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for Jews right now and what they're going through. I

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feel sorry for everybody. Everybody has been demonized. And I

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made this sort of chart for people because I am

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the problem, and everyone is their own problem in my experience.

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Not to say that we don't have enemies, but even

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if you could, you know, if you had the Thanos glove,

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and you could make the group disappear that you hate,

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if you could make all Jews disappear, you can make

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all feminists disappear, If you could make all whoever that

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you blame for everything that's going on disappear, your life

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would still suck because of you, not you ruckus. But

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I'm saying all these people who say, no, it's feminists, No,

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it's red pills, No, it's this, it's liberals, it's conservatives,

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it's everything. So I wanted to actually take responsibility and say,

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you know, in our own lives, we are the problem

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in our own lives. Okay, not everybody is as victimized

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as they pretend to be. And if you wanted to

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have the problem, the problem would be you know, Satan

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himself up here, right. So I made this uh chart.

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And everybody wants to fight evil, even whatever side that

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you disagree with. They think they're doing the right thing.

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And everyone thinks they are immune to propaganda, which we're not. Right.

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Everybody has been sorted out and categorized and put into

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these different boxes based on our algorithm and what we're viewing.

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So I put you know, at the top, the problem

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is the devil, the evil one, the adversary, going away

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from what's right underneath him. You've got, you know, the principalities,

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the fallen angels or aliens. These are the demons who

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influence the humans who are knowingly aligned with the devil

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or the demon possessed. These are your secret societies, These

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are your bloodlines. These are the occultists. You don't see

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much of them, right, but they are controlling all of

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the groups in this green that you hate. So whoever

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you think is the problem, whatever your ism that you

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are against, this is the green. And then the green

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controls most of humanity, which is the orange, which is

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you know, just people living on autopilot or in survival mode,

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and they're living on their vices. These are the NPCs

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or the sims or this is the group that is

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most vulnerable to being swayed into these different cults to

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get different outcomes and ultimately goes back to the devil.

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So but at the bottom, you, yourself, are the own

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problem in your own life. Not that people aren't victimized

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or oppressed, but you're trying to beat the devil by

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punching through like Mario straight up, and there's no way.

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You can only bypass everyone else and defeat Satan by

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being humble and realizing that all of these groups that

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you think are so evil and ruining the world are

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just one level of this pyramid. I don't know, what

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do you think of my assessment of whose fault it is.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll remind everyone that each individual person in those

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other groups, the layers above the you on the foundation,

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are also bearing the weight of their own personal you

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foundation pyramid. So it's like a multi level mar multi

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level pyramid within a pyramid. So like at the end

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of the day, you're right, all of us are responsible

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for we are the problem. And that's actually technically I'm

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going to have to accept some responsibility, even more so

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than you, because this is a very biblically found belief

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when you think about it, because we are born into

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original sin if you're a believer the Bible and God

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as the Creator and Jesus Christ. When most people, like

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the guys the men, will be like, oh, it was

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all Eve's fault because she ate the apple. Well, obviously,

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my real name, of course is Adam. My name, of

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course comes from the Bible and the first man. I

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was the first son born into my family. But that aside,

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it's not because of what Eve did that we are

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condemned and born into sin. Is because of what Adam did,

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which because because Eve was tricked by Satan the serpent.

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doesn't matter. Ultimately, it was the devil, right, Maybe the

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serpent was just the middle level of the pyramid there,

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But regardless, Eve was tempted and Adam wasn't around or

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anything like that.

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Speaker 2: So she was deceived.

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Speaker 3: But Adam knew better, He saw what she did, knew

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what was going to happen if he did it, and

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he made the conscious decision to sin like that, And

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since all of us are born come from Adam, including

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the original woman.

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Speaker 2: It's it's Adam's fault.

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Speaker 3: It's because come from Adam, not because of the Eve

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that we are born into original sin, which you can

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explain how God can come onto our planet as the

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son Jesus Christ with the virgin birth because there was

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no atom bloodline involved with that Eve was okay, you

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still okay, right, But she bears her own sin being

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born into this world because she comes from Adam.

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Speaker 2: But you see what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So this foundation of yours I find very much aligned with,

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you know, religious beliefs throughout the world, not just christianityday.

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It's very interesting and a lot of what you're you're

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mentioning in there, I think are things we're going to

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be touching upon in today's discussion.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting. I like your drawing.

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Speaker 3: I even like the what's the polite word to use,

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I don't want to say it looks like the kids

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drawing with the crayons. Yeah, and you put it on

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the refrigerator. But I like that look. I like that aesthetic.

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It's really nice.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, thanks, Yeah, that's exactly what they would tell

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me in Catechuman class for Orthodox Church is that eve

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would was deceived and Adam sinned willingly, and in that

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we have to separate judgments, to separate responsibilities, to separate

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ways of being culpable, like you said, for the same action.

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So yeah, So Satan, the lucifer, the adversary, the evil one.

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He is all about deception, right, and manipulation of our

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free will through mind control. And I just to go

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back a little bit in time. When we were use

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bookshopping the other day, I found this one subliminal subduction.

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Are you being sexually aroused by this picture? Now it's

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only a picture of, you know, a glass of ice

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or whatever, But we all know these subliminal messages, and

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we've gone through these in Disney movies and other cartoons

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and commercials before in the past. But I just wanted

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to remind you that this kind of stuff has been

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going on for so long, and it's even becoming more

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sophisticated with the use of AI and algorithm that can

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basically turn you into whatever kind of person that it

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wants you to be. Right, So yeah, let's just start

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talking about that show adolescence because Redpill Boys and Manisphere,

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I mean, this is the biggest probably influence that I

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have seen online in the past couple of years. What

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Speaker 2: It didn't touch me?

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Speaker 3: Apparently I must have been too busy being ruckus or something. Yeah, lah, yeah,

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the whole manosphere.

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Speaker 3: I think at that time I was just completely back

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the side. I was just sticking to those two programs.

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can only imagine what the kids are going through. I

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think about that lot, you know, when I'm dealing with

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my own experiences online and social media and twitters and

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facebooks and whatnot, I'm like, holy crap, it must be

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like impossible for kids. Like what else it is doing

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to our kids? Oh my goodness. Well, you know, clearly

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a lot of one of the problems, at least suggested

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in this television series. It was on Netflix right is

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that your interactions, and thanks to social media, these algorithms

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can influence your behavior enough to cause a ripple effect

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in the real world, i e. Like, cause you to

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go out and do violence in this particular case, if

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely, it's influencing all sorts of crazy ways. I

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mean now, even things like grape is on the table

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as redefining what this is and is it good or bad?

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of hand. And in the trying to fight feminism and

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Marxism and all of these isms, I think the pendulum

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has swung way too far in the other direction. I've

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been critiquing feminism for longer than I can remember, at least,

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you know, the twenty eleven twenty twelve I wrote copyrighted

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articles mentioning these I call it princess programming and stuff

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like that. But now I gotta tell you, you know,

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in my villain arc here online, because I'm a white woman,

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woman that disagrees with any sentiment they have as a feminist. Right, So,

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in trying to fight these Marxist ideas were becoming very

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Islamic almost in Sharia, about our ideas about what women

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can do and what rights they can have, and I

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just thought this is so interesting. I don't know if

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you saw this. I got in not in trouble on Twitter,

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but there was a kerfluffle about a year ago. It

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was called like spider is and everyone was mad at

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me because I thought it was funny a boy couldn't

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flirt with a girl by using spiders, right, And they

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attacked me pretty bad, and I noticed that. So I've

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been talking about occultist, Satanist, deep state villains, you know,

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World Economic Forum, all of these super bad entities for

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so long, and I've been on boiler room with you

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for at least ten years. And you know how many

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people have come back to attack me from these dark sides. Zero.

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I have had zero pushback or mean comments, nothing like that.

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But about a year ago, I got so much hate

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mail from Orthodox boys and I'm like, not even Satanists

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are this like rude to me? So what is going

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on here? So there's got to be something to this manisphere,

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this adolescence red pill, which I think you know is

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a disguise for introducing Islam and Sharia into the consciousness

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of the West in through religion. I think it's starting

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to push the homosexual lifestyle. And I think it also

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starts to push the robotic lifestyle or companions with AI

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or you know, a machine instead of real human being.

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get married, you can't trust a woman. They're all hypergamas,

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they're all liars. So the only thing you can trust

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is the AI.

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bringing up something later on in the show that might

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make those people change their minds. I don't think you

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can trust the AI, is what I'm saying. Like, so

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I think in general not to I'm not trying to

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steer it away from this at all, but because I

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don't want to take it too far advanced in the conversation.

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one out of a million different examples of these highly

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categorized subcategories of things happening on social media. And I

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think when a company like Netflix makes a series based

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around a fictional scenario that hits close to the headlines

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and become successful, and then the whole thing goes viral

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and they talk about it in the news and here

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we are discussing it on this podcast, and other podcasters

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have brought this series up and reviewed it, etc. And

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talked about this. What you're talking about is like, Okay,

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what does this mean for the dynamics between men and

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women in society? And I think that that's important and

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it's always important. But the fact that it's happening and

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that it's in the discussion the way it is is

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all because it's part of this bigger issue of the

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social media. These things would not be so popular. They

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wouldn't be I think. I think a lot of people want,

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to let me put it this way, would possibly want

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to identify in some of these groups, these online chatrooms

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and these organizations and say they are an in or

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what claim to be identify as or whatever, just for

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that purpose because it gives them a sense of purpose,

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It gives them an identity. And they see people online

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on social media who are influencers. Think about that word

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obviously influence. What are they influencing?

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Speaker 3: So like you got people like the and your tates

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and you brought up the Ortheedox Bros. They probably have

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like a tight knit community where people feel like they

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belong and as a member of the Social Rejects Club,

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which is the unofficial name for the people who listen

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to and hang out and are on the boiler room

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and associated with ACR. The our way of thinking, we

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call ourselves social rejects because we've been rejected socially from

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all these other groups, but we're still stuck inside of

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our own.

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Speaker 2: Group, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I struggle with these things sometimes, But I think

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what you're mentioning here is hit home with you as

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a woman, right and in a relationship the way God intended,

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you know, with your husband and everything. So I think,

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I don't know, I just it escapes my world, my

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current reality. So I think that's why it doesn't affect

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me so much. I'm not going to be swayed by

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someone's opinion that I see online. That's not going to

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dictate how I feel about women. And also, when I

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hear a person who happens to be a woman, and

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I know what a woman is and I'm not a biologist,

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I don't have to be a biologist to know what

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a woman is, duh.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge them for what they say.

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Speaker 3: Because every human being, whether they're male or female, has

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the right to be heard and give their opinion. And

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if they're completely wrong, well, hey, it might be my

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job to try to convince them otherwise. But I don't

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need to sit there judge them, troll them, heckle them.

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And these are things, These are phenomenons. It's cyberbully them.

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These are phenomenons which again, only exist in this reality.

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Speaker 2: Of social media.

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trolling people on social media? Like when did this become

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a thing? Why is this a thing? Like I've never

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ever understood that to this day.

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Speaker 2: I don't get.

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we're going to go over later on about social I

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was like, oh, okay, this is yet again another manifestation of

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the thing known as social media. So I don't think

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it's necessarily the insul culture or that line of thinking.

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Let those people be broken people and think whatever.

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Speaker 2: They want to whoever they are. I'm not even judging

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the manisphere at all.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not judging feminists, but I'm just saying, let

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feminists be feminists.

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Speaker 2: Let the manosphere or big manisphere.

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Speaker 3: But it's the social media that can take these things,

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whipped them up in a blender, cause it to be

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used as weaponized data against you in order to manipulate

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your behavior and turn you into something that you may

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not have ever ever considered being before.

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Speaker 2: So maybe that's nice.

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Speaker 1: Data is exactly what we're talking about. And in a minute,

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we're going to go over this book Ten arguments for

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deleting your social media account right now. And I know

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you're not going to do it, you guys out there,

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but just remember, like I remember, that this phone is

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trying to get me to do something and it is

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usurping my free will. So back to adolescence. I actually

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thought this was a pretty good show just as a drama.

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In the way that it was filmed, it was very creative.

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Every episode was one continuous scene, so I don't know

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how they, I mean, so talented, and even the children

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actors on point. Every scene was just very dramatic and

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enthralling and it really pulls you in. So that was

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just a point I had about the actual technical aspect

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of the show itself. But it is about a thirteen

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year old boy named Jamie. So all the Jamie's, they're

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what's wrong with the world. I know, we're also hypergamas.

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But his name is Jamie. They call him Jay, which

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was kind of funny. But this character is an amalgam

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of different news stories about young boys being involved in

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knife crimes in the UK, and all of these stories

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were about non white boys. So I thought it was

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interesting that they had they chose like a native white

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boy to kind of anchor the story on because the

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data that made up the stories of this show was

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about immigrant boys. So what do you think about that?

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Speaker 3: I think you were not the only one who made

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that observation, and I think I was aware of the

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controversy surrounding the show in that particular department. I remember

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a lot of news stories coming across my feed saying like, oh,

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how darely Netflix? You're ignoring the elephant in the room,

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which is the dirty immigrants, that kind of thing, you know,

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low hanging fruit for conservative politics talking points.

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Speaker 1: So this is getting into things like toxic masculinity, which

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comes across the feed a lot these days. And again

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I don't think masculinity is toxic, But when people are

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saying that there's no such thing as an inceel because

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grape is on the table, I think that's a really

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dangerous path to let adolescents direct their thought process down

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like they're thinking, oh, well, I can overpower a girl

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if I want to. So incel is not a thing.

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It's getting really disturbing. But I notice that they talk

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about the loneliness epidemic and the toxic masculinity. They're pretty

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gentle with the due process when they come to arrest.

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And so there has been a murder at the school

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and they have him on films, so they're trying to

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get some kind of confession or motive out of him,

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and they're offering him cornflakes. They're being sweet as pie,

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and he insists that he's innocent under arrest and they're

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asking him his favorite subjects. He's talking about history. He's

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talking about the Industrial Revolution. For some reason, I'm like,

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thirteen year old boy is looking at Brunel in the

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Industrial Revolution. So I thought that was a weird thing

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to throw in there.

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Speaker 2: Is it implied he learned that by hanging out with

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the manosphere Burrows later on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So they're saying that his motives and basically

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his brain has been hijacked with these ideas. They go

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through all of the classic talking points. You know, the

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whole eighty percent of women initiate all the divorces and

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only twenty percent of men get the eighty percent of

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women because of attraction differentials. And it's just it's also

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crazy when you think about it, and it leads to

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I know, we talked about this with Father Deacon. A

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lot of boys hitting themselves in the ace with a

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hammer because they're not attractive enough and they think they

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can mold their bones back into a better shape.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm convinced people are just stupid Jie.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it is really really crazy. So they're trying

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to paint this portrait that social media and the MANACUA

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content in particular has uh made the students very naughty,

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very violent, very disrespectful, very unruly, especially to women teachers.

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I mean, the boys say, I don't have to listen

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to you because you're just a woman. You hold no

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authority over me, even though she's the adult and he's

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the child. What else are they talking about, Oh, just

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what the the uh internet has taught them about how

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you have to trick women into fraternizing with you because

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there's uh it's possible to get one in the normal way.

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They do mention the words perma version in cell and

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cyber bullying with emojis. I know that's kind of silly.

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Speaker 4: But.

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Speaker 1: Me and you come from a world before the Internet.

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You remember that, Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, I think the closest thing we had

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to social media was like passing notes around in class, right, and.

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Speaker 1: The world was It was almost so much better for

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your mental health back then. I would hate to grow

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up now just being expected to have some kind of

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online following. I mean that drives me crazy anyways, as

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an adult trying to get the numbers up.

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Speaker 3: But back then kids could get bullied like me all

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the time, mercilessly, and then they wouldn't go shoot up

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their school.

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Speaker 2: It was fun, you know, good old times. Things are

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changed now. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So bullying has led to actual crimes in this show,

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and they call it the Andrew take shite. Like I said,

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he's got an attitude with every female like officer teacher,

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and I thought this was interesting. So he has a

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blue collar dad with anger issues, but throughout the show

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he's a pretty good dad. Like he's present, He's there

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at the arrest, at the you know, drama, at the trial,

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all of these things. He cares about his son. And

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I think what they're trying to get across here is

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that the parents are not are no match for what

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they see online, because the parents did not slip, really,

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they just let him be on his computer in the room,

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and he was radicalized so easily.

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Speaker 2: That is interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see what else. So, oh, this is what

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I thought was entering. The victim her name was Katie,

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didn't even have a character. So the only footage you

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see is just like maybe her profile or when she

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fell on the police footage. She had no lines, no character,

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no nothing. The entire thing was about the perpetrator, the

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thirteen year old boy Jamie and his inner world. And

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so I just I was like, they pretty much erased

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the victim out of this whole thing and made him

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to be the victim because of social media.

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Speaker 2: That's really fascinating. Ye I was thinking that right now.

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Speaker 3: It's like, Wow, they even dehumanized the fake character for

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the purpose of the film.

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Speaker 2: That's insane. I wonder if they did that on purpose.

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00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: I wonder too, because it was such a contrast. Every scene,

476
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,319
you know, had this little boy Jamie in it, and

477
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,759
the actual girl that was murdered had no place in

478
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:57,240
this She was just somebody who got caught up sending

479
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,200
nudes or something in the school.

480
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: And another story ripped from the headlines.

481
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so then the boys thought that she was easy,

482
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:12,000
and then when she did not take kindly to Jamie's advances,

483
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:16,519
that's when he stabbed her. But she has no other

484
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,079
role in this story but to die for this drama.

485
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: That sounds like a sacrifice. Now you've really got me.

486
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,559
Who made this movie?

487
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,799
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, No other than Netflix, I'm not exactly sure.

488
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,880
You can look it up. It's called Adolescence. It's from

489
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,279
this year, twenty twenty five.

490
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,599
Speaker 3: I heard the writer who is involved makes is known

491
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,920
for making these NonStop they're always wildly successful series like this.

492
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,319
So you know, when you're wildly successful these days, that

493
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,799
usually means you have you know, he made it to

494
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:50,519
the top of the pyramid. Maybe Jamie.

495
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's he's probably in the green or the blue,

496
00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:03,599
you know. But yeah, so Adolescence was very easy on

497
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:09,720
the boy who had been mind controlled by this content.

498
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,799
And it's so hard when all of the other boys

499
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,599
are viewing the same kind of content because now you

500
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,200
have a clique, you have a club, you have, you're

501
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,160
better than somebody. That's how all cults start, right, All

502
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880
cults and fringe groups say they have the ultimate truth,

503
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,200
which is these stupid statistics that women are evil and

504
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,319
we hold the keys to reality. That's how you get

505
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,680
these tape war rooms in all these other you know,

506
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,319
cults and offshoots, is that they think that they have

507
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,920
some kind of ultimate truth that another group is taking

508
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,599
from you.

509
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:54,519
Speaker 3: Which is very easy to achieve if you want to

510
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,640
be that type of person, like a grifter or a

511
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,000
cult leader using social media and being online. I mean again,

512
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,799
and this, none of this would happen without that concept,

513
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,400
this idea, because we always everything that we see on

514
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680
social media and online for the most part, even like

515
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,160
on YouTube, Like what you're watching, however you're watching this

516
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,640
right now, is like this isn't our entire life, This

517
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,599
isn't our full twenty four hour day. It's not like

518
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,319
that series which filmed it all in one shot. You're

519
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,759
just getting a highlighted snapshot of our thoughts and our

520
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,160
opinions and our feelings right now. And social media and

521
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,240
online and these manisphered rows and the tapes they do

522
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:28,400
the same thing. They show their best life This is

523
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,319
me and my lambeaux. This is me showing off my pecks.

524
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,720
This is me hanging out with the prown star. I

525
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,920
got the cigar and the big fat wads of money.

526
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,680
It's like, but that's all you see. You don't see

527
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,000
when he's sick in the toilet, or when his mommy

528
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,720
brings him chicken soup, or he hurt, he gets a

529
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:44,799
splinter and he cries.

530
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. We're giving this.

531
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,519
Speaker 3: Little, tiny, tiny pinhole snapshot of these people's lives and

532
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,359
we try to emulate that, and it causes a problem.

533
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,960
But if this series wants to imply that that in

534
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720
itself is a problem, I would argue with that, because.

535
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Did the series, did the Is there going to be

536
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:01,799
a sequel? Is this a NonStop?

537
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,039
Speaker 4: On me?

538
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:04,839
Speaker 3: If the Internet and the Manisphere and the influence is

539
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,480
so powerful and people are being radicalized, how come that

540
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,880
didn't happen to every single child in that high school?

541
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,119
How come every single female student and teacher weren't stabbed?

542
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,880
It was just this one incident of one broken kid

543
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,559
stabbing one victim.

544
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: You see what I mean?

545
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, why doesn't this happen to everybody? So some people

546
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,440
are more susceptible to these things, and the phone knows

547
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,920
what kind of person even you are, so it will

548
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,920
us get weird. It monitors your heart rate, you're breathing,

549
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,400
your pupil dilation, where you're looking at the screen is

550
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,680
tracking all of these things that knows you better than

551
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,720
you know itself yourself. And I kind of like my

552
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160
algorithm because I'm not a weird o pervert. But it

553
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,000
shops for me, like it will show me things that, oh, yes,

554
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,839
I absolutely do want that dress, and it knows exactly

555
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,880
like my taste and my specifications and what I like.

556
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,839
So it does a lot of hard work for me

557
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,640
when it comes to like looking good.

558
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: True story, I used to fight the algorithm. I was

559
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,960
like when I when I first learned about all this

560
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,039
stuff a long time ago, when the only social media

561
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,400
I had was Facebook, and when I signed up for

562
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,480
Facebook day one, it was like it was like, Okay,

563
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,279
tell us a little bit about yourself. And this was

564
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,240
many many years ago, obviously, and to tell what books

565
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880
do you like? And I'm like, wait a minute, I'm

566
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,160
not telling you what books I like, right, Like, well,

567
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,920
tell us some movies and music and bands, And I'm like,

568
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,880
wait a minute, and then I realized that by liking

569
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,839
and following people, I was worried. I didn't even want

570
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,880
to follow anybody I would like, I'd have to type

571
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,400
their name. So if I was like if it was

572
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,200
back then, I'd be like, Okay, let me find out

573
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,039
what Jay Dyer's doing, I'd have to look for Jay

574
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,039
Dyer just to find his profile and see this. But

575
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,720
because I refused to follow people, because I didn't want

576
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,440
to teach the algorithm that I'm one of those dirty

577
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,279
people that's into this kind of stuff, I was scared

578
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,200
of it up from the very beginning. But and so

579
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:56,119
then I decided to get rebellious because you know, around

580
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,039
that time, I became Bruckus or whatever, right, and I thought, well,

581
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,359
I'm gonna mess with it. So not only do I

582
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,359
not want the algorithm to know anything about me, I

583
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,079
want it to be fed complete lies about me. So

584
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,640
I was liking and following Lady Gaga, politicians, celebrities, sports teams,

585
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,599
all this crap that I absolutely don't give an f about,

586
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,160
just trying to mess with the algorithm. And I will

587
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,559
tell you something, never once did I ever get fed

588
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:23,359
any of that content, which is very, very strange. I always,

589
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:25,880
no matter what I like or what I do, was

590
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,000
getting fade fed whatever the mainstream propaganda was, and so

591
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,279
I was like, oh, wait a minute, this is a trick, right.

592
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,359
And then you know, not long after that, we had

593
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,680
the well we'll talk about that later, but the Cambridge

594
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,119
Analytica thing, and then you realized, oh, this has been

595
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,039
one great, big experiment to study us and learn our behaviors.

596
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: And suck up all this data. But what are they

597
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,599
going to do with it?

598
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,839
Speaker 3: Oh well, it turns out they're going to use it

599
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,359
to not just predict our behavior, but manipulate our behavior,

600
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,480
as you know exampled in this television show The Adolescence.

601
00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: Right, nah, manipulate the mostly the orange group, most of

602
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,680
humanity living you know, day to day's survival. These are

603
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,759
the normies, the sins, the NPCs, which thank God for

604
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,440
these people because they keep the world running in normalcy. Okay,

605
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:17,119
we can't all be like crazy out there magicians rooil hats. Yeah,

606
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,800
oh we'll get to that in a second, because all

607
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,320
of these people are afraid of being replaced. So yeah,

608
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,239
it's trying to turn you into a sim a follower

609
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,840
of the people in the green level, And let's get

610
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,119
to this book, the Ten Arguments for Deleting this crap,

611
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,280
because it's just getting worse and worse, and I'm sorry,

612
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,639
I don't think Twitter is any better than it ever was.

613
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,519
I hated just as much. I've always hated Facebook because

614
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,199
my post don't go anywhere. I'm maxed out on friends,

615
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,559
but I get zero thumbs or likes or comments are

616
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,199
nothing like, it's crickets. So why do I have ten

617
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,639
thousand people waiting to my friend on Facebook and no

618
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:02,719
one comments anything?

619
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Facebook is a yeah. I gave up on Facebook

620
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,559
a long time ago.

621
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: I recently dived back headlong first into Twitter since it

622
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,679
became x and started developing my personal account. I had

623
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,199
like another account that I've had for years that I

624
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,400
adopted from somebody else, so it wasn't even my own

625
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
real account. So I created my own one a few

626
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,760
years ago and been building it up ever since, and

627
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,039
since doing my show The Daily Ruckus I need it,

628
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,719
I was like, so I pitched the eight dollars a

629
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,159
month for the Blue Check market. It's useful for me

630
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,320
to produce my own content and put it out there,

631
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,280
but it's still just as useless to me. As Facebook

632
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,239
is for trying to find again, I got the feed

633
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,280
in the following and I still have to go find

634
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,639
the people that I care about, to find some good stuff,

635
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,199
to learn about what's happening in the world, or to share.

636
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: Again, the feeds are useless. What is the algorithm doing.

637
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,039
Speaker 3: It's like we were promised all this great stuff, the

638
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,639
best algorithm that they ever created way back in the day.

639
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,480
It might have been one of the first original ones.

640
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,480
From what I understand, I did some research about this

641
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:03,000
year why ago Pandora. Remember when Pandora came out and

642
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,840
they were like, oh, since you liked this song, here's

643
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,039
a song we think you might like, and you're like, yeah,

644
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,719
I do like that song. That was probably one of

645
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,000
the most phenomenal, perfect examples of a personalized algorithm that

646
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:15,400
I could.

647
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, I'm down with that.

648
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: But I think that they took that and then created

649
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,519
this monster, all these monsters that we're dealing with.

650
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: Today, and they're creating monsters out of people too. So

651
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,440
it's not just the tech ghoolie, it's the people that

652
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,960
turn into monsters because of what the algorithm is feeding them.

653
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:43,119
So this book by Jate Jaren Okay, Yeah, he looks

654
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:46,599
like an interesting character. He's got those dreads, the white

655
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:52,639
guy dreads. Yes, he looks like a you know Techi

656
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,559
rosta guy.

657
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: Plays music too. Oh really, yeah, he's a musician. I

658
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,480
forget what he plays.

659
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: So, uh, that's unique. So he wrote this book in

660
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,079
twenty eighteen because he just saw that how social media

661
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:21,039
was destroying how we connect with each other on a

662
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:28,000
very substantial level. So he was the interdisciplinary scientist at Microsoft,

663
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,400
and he says that we are under constant surveillance, prodded

664
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,800
by algorithms that make that make people make money off

665
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,679
of your behavior. So now we've got money and income

666
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:50,639
into this. And that was even before a lot of

667
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:54,199
these things were monetized. So in twenty eighteen, Twitter wasn't monetized.

668
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:58,199
I think YouTube was monetized by that time. But social

669
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,760
media has become even more important to people because of

670
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,000
the income that you can make.

671
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: Off Facebook ads were definitely that was the thing. So yeah,

672
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,599
advertisers were you know, in case, you know, in case

673
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,440
the viewer is not aware. But you can learn all

674
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,840
that in this book right here and from other people.

675
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:20,039
Social media you're basically you're the product and your data

676
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,239
and you and your behavior, and all of that stuff

677
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,559
was being sold to the real consumer customer of the

678
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:28,159
social media, which were the advertisers, and that was all.

679
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,880
You know, It wasn't just Google doing that, but it

680
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,960
was Facebook. Facebook was the real first big boy other

681
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,480
than Google to be doing that stuff.

682
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: And did you know that Facebook started off as a

683
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,519
ranking girls in college competition. So it started off as

684
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:43,920
just a little website.

685
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,639
Speaker 2: Where that's what they say.

686
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,119
Speaker 1: The boys can log on and rank all the girls.

687
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: But he's saying it is better than stabbing them.

688
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,119
Speaker 1: I guess, right, Ah, yeah, I guess. So we were

689
00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,119
being hypnotized little by little, by technicians we can't see

690
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,559
for purposes. We don't know. We're all lab animals now.

691
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,320
And they say that if the product is free, then

692
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,760
you are the product, right or your media?

693
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: Everybody knows by now they got the create. How come

694
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,280
Google just sent me a Gmail when they how did

695
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,599
they know I was searching on Facebook for underwear or whatever?

696
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: It knows it even listens to what you're talking about.

697
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,960
I mean thousands of people have said, uh, we were

698
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,400
just talking about this, and then I got to add

699
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,880
for that, and then one step further he was like,

700
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,639
I was just thinking of something and an ad popped up.

701
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: That's where it gets super creepy. Yeah, yeah, I don't

702
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:39,920
like that.

703
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that I mean that means is it telling

704
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,159
you what to think? Or is it reading your mind?

705
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: Exactly?

706
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: Where is it going? Right?

707
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,159
Speaker 2: So he's where does it end and where do you begin?

708
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: Right? He says, through continuously adjusted simuli, advertising becomes behavior modification.

709
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,039
And this is the sorcery we always talk about. This

710
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:04,599
is the when we go back to Freud and Burnet's

711
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,000
and how they changed and shaped culture with the advertising

712
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,440
of Madison Avenue and then up into you know, the

713
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,920
eighties and nineties with the subliminal messages. Social media is

714
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:21,760
just a more advanced way to do that.

715
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: It's still media, right. They didn't take that word out

716
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:27,519
of it, did they, right?

717
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: And what is the cultural media but the Petri dish

718
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,719
that these scientists egg, you know, introduced the bacteria or

719
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,159
the things and see what grows and what doesn't.

720
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: And of course media is plural for medium and we

721
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,440
all know what a medium.

722
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,559
Speaker 1: Is, right, Yes, it is a person who is the

723
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,039
intermediary between you know, the spirit world and the mundane world.

724
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,199
Speaker 3: Why do they pick these names? Why do they pick

725
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,800
these words when they create these things, they'll never understand.

726
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,280
They're like, oh, yeah, that's a good word for that.

727
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,400
Don't you think someone's gonna question? No, Now, we'll just

728
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,440
go there, like, well, we're creating radio television. What should

729
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,400
we call each of these two. We'll call them channels?

730
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, channels a point because they were channeling.

731
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do we call this show? We'll call it programming? Okay,

732
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,239
why did.

733
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: The program a computer?

734
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: They're programming us.

735
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: Yes, they're programming our biocomputer, which is our brain. Media,

736
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,400
It wasn't media. Goddess. I'm looking that up right now too.

737
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:27,599
Speaker 2: That might be too. I forgot about that.

738
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,559
Speaker 1: There you go is known in most stories as a

739
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,880
sorceress and associated with pharma KaiA, So that makes sense.

740
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,320
So there's your Greek Greek connection to your goddess connection.

741
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,119
He said, before computers, there were studies in behaviorism. So

742
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,880
that's what we're talking about with Bernese and psychology, the

743
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Freudian path versus the Youngian path or the other people

744
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,440
who had different ideas about how to get people out

745
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:08,119
of these existential mental crisises. But he said, for the

746
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:13,639
early behaviorism people, you know you've got Pavlov right and

747
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,480
his bell and the salivating dogs, and so who is

748
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:21,880
hungry and who's not? You've got be a skinner and

749
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,519
his animals getting treats. You've got, uh who else? Can

750
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,039
you think of anybody else that was doing these mind

751
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:32,280
control Well.

752
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: I was always a bigger fan of the negative reinforcement.

753
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,519
Speaker 1: Not just kidding, the punishment, Yeah.

754
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: Bad dog, just kidding.

755
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,119
Speaker 1: Well, so we're talking about is operate conditioning, which is

756
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:49,079
streamlined to perfection almost with social media and the Internet,

757
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:56,079
and these are basically behavior modification empires, Facebook X, all

758
00:42:56,159 --> 00:43:00,960
of these social media websites. He has a nickname for them,

759
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:02,199
which he calls Bummer.

760
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: The bummer business model, right, yeah.

761
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: The bummer machine, which is something like your brain on

762
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:12,400
sale for these advertisers. All come to the actual thing

763
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:18,360
in a second book, Yeah, the War for the data

764
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,079
of your mind.

765
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: The real bummer is that the people who do this

766
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,079
to us on a daily basis know exactly what they're doing.

767
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:25,679
Speaker 2: They don't care.

768
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they won't even let their kids use it.

769
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,960
They don't use it because they know. And spoiler alert,

770
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,559
at the end of this book he's going to go

771
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,679
into AI. In the very last pages like this is

772
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,199
an AI cult that these.

773
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,039
Speaker 2: It was written seven years ago.

774
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: He wrote that book, right, Yeah, and he would know.

775
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,039
So even the former Facebook cegos agree that this is

776
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:57,440
a dopamine driven feedback loop and it is destroying how

777
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,480
society works. And they create a great creating it, some

778
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:01,920
of them.

779
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,519
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they do. Yeah, yeah, try I try again.

780
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,599
I'm not buying that.

781
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: The dopamine thing, that's actually a huge part of all

782
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,159
of this because, like, because that's the new piece to

783
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:15,719
all of this. Sure, we've had the media and the

784
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,440
propaganda and the persuasion and all of these things, right,

785
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,239
behavior modification and the studies and the research, but now

786
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,559
we're going to introduce the gaming, the gamification of it

787
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:28,960
with the dopamine hit. Same thing with the gambling, right,

788
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,840
and you get the lights and the sounds and the

789
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,440
mechanical behavior of the swiping. Remember seeing the videos of

790
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,800
the babies who were sleeping taking the napsuck in the

791
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,199
thumb and they were just still swiping in their sleep. Okay,

792
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:42,840
So there is a mechanical like physical addiction going on

793
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,159
here involved with all of these things. Because of what

794
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,079
you keep bringing up, the little black mirror device that

795
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,000
you carry in your pocket, big brother, and my purse right,

796
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,119
the phone, the device, right, which is a very important

797
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:56,960
key part of all of this. But yeah, the dopamine

798
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,760
thing is is huge because and it's evil. It's evil evil.

799
00:44:59,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: You.

800
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: Well, what they took is they literally took the basic

801
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,880
human desire for connection with other human beings and turned

802
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,800
it into a drug. They monetized it, but they turned

803
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,320
our need for connecting with other human beings into a drug,

804
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:15,559
these morofos.

805
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,599
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, that you're exactly right. And I'm thinking of

806
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,239
when they do studies with rats in the laboratory and

807
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,800
they give them an addictive substance and if it's strong enough,

808
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,199
they'll just like keep eating it until they die. Well,

809
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:34,079
they found out that the reason these rats do this

810
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,199
is because they have no rat friends, they have no

811
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,960
rat families, they have no rat habitat. They're just a

812
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,719
lone rat in a cage. Of course, he's just going

813
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,880
to keep on eating the stuff until he dies because

814
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,920
he's got nothing else to do. But you can use

815
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,039
this as a metaphor for people too. If you've got friends,

816
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,880
if you've got family, if you've got people, tell you know,

817
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,800
if you've got people around you, like in the three

818
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,800
D world that love and care about you, You're not

819
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,639
going to be as susceptible to these dopamine uh gorges

820
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,840
as you would normally be.

821
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

822
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,119
Speaker 3: And like Billy Corgan the Smashing Pumpkins said, despite all

823
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,400
my rage, I'm still.

824
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:20,639
Speaker 1: Just a yes, all my rage. Yeah, he knew. So

825
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,719
you're carrying around your your rat cage in your pocket

826
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,119
and the cage is in your mind, man, right, Like

827
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,360
you got to free your mind first. And this is

828
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:34,079
you know where Christianity and christ really helps, because that

829
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,159
is the beginning of freedom is up here and you

830
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,159
can actually be a slave in the real world and

831
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,639
be freer than your masters if your mind is in

832
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:46,360
the correct place.

833
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: Your mind and the rest will follow.

834
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: There's another song, your mind, don't be so shadow exactly.

835
00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:01,000
So Facebook, well, their old model, i mean their old

836
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:07,800
motto was move fast and break things, did you. Yeah,

837
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,599
And this is kind of what you see with the

838
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,840
tech bros. And like the Doge and Elon Musk and stuff.

839
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,760
They're like that's their the way they operate. They just

840
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,199
get in there and they break things and they will

841
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,599
fix them later and who cares. We'll just like they

842
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,119
make it.

843
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 3: They call it disruptive technologies, right, disruptive businesses, And I'm like,

844
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,920
you're still being disruptive anyways.

845
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,119
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like the whole deconstruction, I don't really

846
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,960
adhere to that. I don't want to like plow it

847
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:41,079
down and spill from scratch. I am a proponent of

848
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:42,920
working with what we have and where we're at. I

849
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,239
don't want to go back to any other weird place,

850
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,159
and I don't want to like live in the techno future.

851
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,440
I want to like just grow and use what we

852
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:51,239
have already.

853
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the people in the green on your chart, their

854
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,719
practice the order ab KO, and they believe this is

855
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,719
the only way for them to achieve their desired outcomes

856
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,119
is by tearing everything down, build back better, baby.

857
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: You know.

858
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, deconstruct accelerationism, all of this stuff to break down.

859
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,880
It's very alchemical, it's very sorcery. It's very like, uh,

860
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:21,119
solve a and coagula, right, a magician. So he's saying,

861
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,840
oh the models, Yeah, so move fast and break things

862
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,679
is a Facebook old motto. And then do you remember

863
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,360
when Google's old model was don't be evil.

864
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: Don't be Oh absolutely, they tried to erase that from history.

865
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,239
If I'm not mistaken, they'll they'll they'll straight up just

866
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,440
deny that. Now. I think they're going to make that disappear. Yeah,

867
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,519
I definitely remember that. They made a whole documentary about that.

868
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,440
Was actually one of the things that I was like,

869
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,519
oh wow, I remember watching this documentary that I can't

870
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:48,039
remember the name of for the life of me. I

871
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,920
was trying to find it to watch it again sometime

872
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,920
this week. But yeah, like that was their motto, and

873
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000
they know all, they understand everything about the way the

874
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,199
algorithms work, and the biggest amount of data we've been

875
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,920
feeding that a people forget about is inside the search

876
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,840
bar when we type say something to look up. We

877
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,320
think we're looking for information, but this whole time we've

878
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,320
been feeding the information to them. And then of course

879
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,639
they used that to train their chat GPTs. But we'll

880
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:14,400
get into that later.

881
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: So he says that everybody that uses social media, you

882
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:30,639
can become an addict, right, like a full blown addict, tweaker.

883
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,039
I get nervous if I don't know where my phone is,

884
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,719
or if I haven't checked my emails in a couple hours,

885
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,280
or if I haven't you know, looked at what's going

886
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,719
on on X today. I'm like, it's not my addiction.

887
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,360
I'm just monitoring the situation. But no, I need to

888
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,960
get off it and stop doom scrolling. And how many

889
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,320
times has Jay walked in and been like, don't just scroll, babe,

890
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:58,159
don't just scroll, babe, don't just scroll, like I hear

891
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,400
him multiple times a day, don't just scroll Like, Okay,

892
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,480
I get on, I post my crap, and I get

893
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,360
off and make more original content.

894
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,159
Speaker 2: Dude.

895
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,679
Speaker 3: The doom scroll might be a new phenomenon since he

896
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,400
wrote that book, but I don't know.

897
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he's saying like this is so addicting you

898
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:17,320
cannot help but become an addict. And then number two,

899
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:24,119
all addicts become liars because the addiction grows and grows

900
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:28,000
and you have to hide it.

901
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: So you have this this where it gets weird to me.

902
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:33,199
I'm like, I don't, I don't know.

903
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: Maybe this is a problem with the kids because the

904
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,760
parents who are trying to like keep the kids off

905
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,440
of it or something, But like, I don't, I don't

906
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,880
feel like I need to hide the fact that I'm

907
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,480
using social media from something like Yeah, I don't know.

908
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:51,079
Speaker 1: Maybe there's just a danger for somebody who's addicted to

909
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,400
a social media to become addicted to other things like

910
00:50:54,559 --> 00:51:03,679
pornography or like it's a gateway drug, right, and it's

911
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:09,360
programming your brain to it's frying out your dopamines basically, right.

912
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:12,559
Speaker 3: I guess I see you because like TikTok's not enough,

913
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,480
Like that that didn't didn't appease them, It didn't take

914
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,000
too long before Well now we need TikTok challenges, right, yeah.

915
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: And shorter and shorter. I mean, I know my attention

916
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,679
span is uh getting worse and worse, Like I feel

917
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,440
like I've accomplished something if I watch a movie from.

918
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: See that's that's again related to this dopamine thing. And

919
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,719
and the AI is a bigger problem with this, which

920
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,159
again hopefully we'll talk about later. But again, so social

921
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,400
media before the entrance of the AI again, I want

922
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,920
to get I don't want to get ahead of myself here.

923
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,400
It was already rewiring our brains the way we use

924
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,800
and interact with people and things on social media.

925
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if he brought that up in the

926
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:50,639
book or not.

927
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. We're rewiring your brain to the addict

928
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:58,960
model behavior, right, Yeah.

929
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,119
Speaker 3: It's it's not it's not spec to social media, but

930
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,679
because it's become addictive, this is what happens to you.

931
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

932
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then he goes on to say it's not

933
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:10,639
always about pleasure because it also uses punishment and negative reinforcement.

934
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:18,599
Your favorite, right, rage bait? So do you get raged everything? Well,

935
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:24,000
it creates trolls because now everyone's addicted to the rage bait.

936
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:28,159
I am a victim of this. Oh and oh, I

937
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,239
forgot to mention with the manisphere and the cults and everything.

938
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,880
It's like, if you can give somebody the superiority complex

939
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,519
and a victim mentality at the same time, then you

940
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:40,639
can empty their pockets.

941
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:44,639
Speaker 3: Holy moly, that's what psychopaths do to take advantage of

942
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,800
people weird exactly.

943
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: So all of these podcast bros and these creators who

944
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:55,360
think are just like cool guys who want to see

945
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,880
you become a cool guy. No, they are selling you,

946
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:02,360
hook Line Sinker a superiority complex with your victim mentality,

947
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,840
and now everything else is everything is someone else's fault.

948
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 3: Right the main because it's probably not because they're satanic

949
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,719
or evil though, Jamie, it's just because they're trying to

950
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,559
make a lot of money grifting off of you.

951
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:19,159
Speaker 1: So it's okay, yeah, it's just greed. That really chaps

952
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,679
my hide sometimes when that's the only thing that people

953
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,480
can think motivates these technocrats is greed, I'm like, you

954
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,840
got to think outside the box. Man. They're demon possessed. Okay,

955
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,480
They're humans who have knowingly gained aligned with the devil

956
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,920
and they hate humanity.

957
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 3: So they're almosting those grifters that I just mentioned. They're

958
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,119
not part of the upper echelon at all.

959
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: No, but they the upper echelon uses them to influence

960
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,559
the most people.

961
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,519
Speaker 2: Right, very important that you bring that up.

962
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: So, and the way they do this is through rage

963
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,440
based So they have noticed that people will engage more

964
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,679
with social media content if it makes them angry. So

965
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,119
it's not even about making your little happies in your dopamines.

966
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,159
It's about controlling you by whatever means they can. And

967
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,880
negative emotions is more powerful than positive emotions. And there's

968
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,079
a reason for that, because you know, if you get hurt,

969
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,400
you want to remember I stepped on that thing, or

970
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,199
I burnt myself or you know whatever things are steered

971
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,039
into your memory because you're trying to your brain is

972
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:33,360
trying to protect its body. You remember negative things more

973
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,559
than you remember positive things because you don't have to

974
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:36,320
for survival.

975
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,199
Speaker 2: No, that's that's good. Yeah, I agree.

976
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,559
Speaker 1: So social media is both the treats and the electric shocks.

977
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: Like it's just very unique. I don't I can't think

978
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,519
of anything else that's like that.

979
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you it's like the thing that shocks the

980
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,360
rat and it's the little treat that comes out of

981
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:05,679
the shoot because the negative emotions are easier engagement. He

982
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:12,440
also says that addicts become zombies. They lose their obviously

983
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,559
their ability to exercise free will because you're addicted to something.

984
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,239
You don't want to be doing this, but you do

985
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,360
it anyways, and that is going against your own self.

986
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,760
That's weird, isn't it insidious? And here you just thought

987
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,679
you were interacting with a bunch of cool people and

988
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,920
I just you know, follow my friends on Instagram. But no,

989
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,159
you're being sucked in and turned into some kind of zombie.

990
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,280
The more that you use.

991
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: That and you know nothing about those people that you're

992
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,559
interacting with online, I mean, especially these days. Again, I

993
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,400
don't want to get ahead of myself, but they might

994
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,440
not even be real people.

995
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: Just saying, oh, that's been proved a bunch of times,

996
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,719
Like a lot of the Tradwife's accounts that you know

997
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:02,320
do this, like Super Submissive BDSM, tradwife cause place, those

998
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,039
have been proven to be men. And then a lot

999
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:09,320
of the red pill manisphere comes from Pakistan.

1000
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:13,679
Speaker 3: Hey man, if you know, if it's going to get

1001
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,519
you the clicks and the views and the likes, and

1002
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:18,719
you can sell a sponsored product and make an affiliate commission,

1003
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,559
do it right.

1004
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,199
Speaker 1: You get this illusion that these are just like well

1005
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:30,639
meaning and like socialized people that have thought really hard

1006
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,719
about things and this is their valuable opinion. But I

1007
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,920
have noticed that most of this crap is just people

1008
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:43,719
who are drunk posting things on X or from the toilet.

1009
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,239
So that's what the only thing that makes me feel

1010
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,840
better when I get a negative comment, I'm like, this

1011
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,280
probably was from a person taking a dump and they

1012
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,559
just like, screw you, and so what do you think?

1013
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,079
Speaker 2: I mean?

1014
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: That's another part of the social media emboldens so many

1015
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,039
of us to be a holes. And I know he

1016
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,639
talks about that in this book for darn sure, because

1017
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,480
we feel falsely so that we're anonymous online, right, Like

1018
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,199
the Ruckus. Like when I became Ruckus a long time ago.

1019
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,480
The only reason I was Ruckus because I didn't want

1020
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,639
anyone to know that that's Adam Clark doing all this

1021
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,000
and saying these things I was scared of do. And

1022
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,599
then I when I did a podcast, like, no one

1023
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:20,960
can know who I really am. My friends Hesher and

1024
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,840
Sport didn't even know my real name, you know what

1025
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,800
I mean. So I was like, so it was a

1026
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,000
big decision of mine, you know, not that long ago,

1027
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,880
you know, right around the P word time, the mysterious

1028
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,000
disease that shut down the world. That when I came

1029
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,679
back out of the you know, retirement, I was like, well,

1030
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,960
I'm just going to be my full name. You know,

1031
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,000
people still know me as Ruckus, so I'll be like,

1032
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,400
it's Adam Clark, but AKA, you still know me as Ruckus,

1033
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,880
and I still go by Ruckus of course. But I'm

1034
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,320
not afraid to be who I really am, you know.

1035
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,599
And that was a big problem because when you're hiding

1036
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:53,519
behind a person, a fake personality or a name. Youah, sure,

1037
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,079
I'm an on air personality now, but I am who

1038
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,280
and you know what I say, am. You just have

1039
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,960
to take my word for that. Don't take my word

1040
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,400
for that. I want you to do your own research.

1041
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,239
That's what Bill Cooper would say. But I mean at

1042
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,880
least a real human being. And I'm not trying to

1043
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,599
grift anybody. Obviously you could see I'm skinny, I don't

1044
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:10,880
eat much. I don't have a lot of money. I

1045
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,239
don't make money doing this. I do this because it's

1046
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:14,840
fun for me. It's a hobby and I think it's

1047
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,079
important to have these discussions. And a lot of people

1048
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:21,320
don't have the know how, the talent, or the willingness

1049
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,639
to do this. So those who can do that's why

1050
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:27,559
you guys do this, I think. But you know, but again,

1051
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:31,199
when you're hiding behind anonymous I'm user of big Balls.

1052
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm big Balls on Twitter.

1053
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,519
Speaker 3: The guy who joined the Dog and then he's now

1054
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,119
part of the US government. It's like, because nobody wants

1055
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,599
to know that that guy's real name is Jason Spencer

1056
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:42,400
or whatever it might be. Sorry if your name's Jason Spencer.

1057
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,000
I'm using that as an example here. So when we're

1058
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:49,360
hiding behind things and names, then we act like complete

1059
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,159
a holes and it causes this problem and then the

1060
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,440
rage baiting is like snowballs and you've been there, and

1061
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,519
the next thing you know, you're like, yeah, I'm ready

1062
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:01,000
to just take a break from social media. Oh my god,

1063
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:02,960
that was a lot of work. Just scrolling my doom

1064
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:04,280
feed today. It's crazy.

1065
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,519
Speaker 1: I mean, we we don't get in fights about very much,

1066
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:12,840
but when he does get annoyed with me, it's because

1067
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,239
I got rage baited. Right. He's like, just put the

1068
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,719
phone down if no one is hurting you, And I'm like,

1069
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,400
but they said this thing, and he's right, you know.

1070
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: I just got the t okay, the trolls.

1071
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:27,199
Speaker 3: I used to have to try to get the last

1072
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:29,480
word in with the trolls, and I'd made it into

1073
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,000
a game and.

1074
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,079
Speaker 2: I got really good about it.

1075
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:33,119
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh my god, I'm wasting like

1076
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,880
hours just responding to these trolls. My new tactic that

1077
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,400
I started doing probably about four or five years ago. Now, yeah, yeah,

1078
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,760
that's about right. Is I just if they start trolling,

1079
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:45,239
I block them and I don't have to ever see

1080
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,000
or hear from them again. But that doesn't work on Twitter, unfortunately,

1081
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,599
because every person that I stopped following and block I

1082
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:54,920
still have to see on my feed. I don't understand

1083
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,159
how that works. It's because everyone else I follow still

1084
00:59:57,159 --> 01:00:00,639
follows them and reposts their crap tries me insane. But anyways, yeah,

1085
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,559
just brought them and walk away. Your life is so

1086
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:03,280
much easier.

1087
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't have very many people blocked because I don't

1088
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,800
want to give them the satisfaction because then they'll just

1089
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,159
like post, oh Jamie blocked me. So I just mute

1090
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:11,440
them so I know who's an idiot.

1091
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the other option yet, just as well as

1092
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,679
you don't have to see it and just you just

1093
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,599
they don't exist out of sight, out of mind.

1094
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,719
Speaker 1: And if I see a comment from a post that

1095
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,960
it says what you have muted this person and I

1096
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:23,880
click on it, I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember why,

1097
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:29,320
Like now I know why. So quitting social media, according

1098
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,920
to this book, is the best way to resist insanity.

1099
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,559
And this is the chapter. He calls it the bummer machine,

1100
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:40,599
behaviors of users modified and made into an empire for rent.

1101
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:47,079
So that's a pretty loose acronym for bummer. But yeah,

1102
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:52,920
he's saying, your brain, your mind, your behavior is for rent, right.

1103
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: And who's renting, who's buying space in your brain? That's

1104
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,599
probably what we should figure out.

1105
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,559
Speaker 1: Zucky buck Musk, all of these technocrats.

1106
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,199
Speaker 3: And they use in less unless it's election season and

1107
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:13,079
then they take a break and it's it's all every

1108
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:14,840
politician doing it to you, right.

1109
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's like who what politician do they

1110
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:20,960
align with? Like these people know everything about politics and

1111
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,960
who's the best candidate. And it's just crazy how people

1112
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:27,840
follow celebrities like they know they know the first thing

1113
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,159
about who to vote for. It's amazing.

1114
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 3: Johnny Depp, he's my personal advisor on everything.

1115
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, vote the way he votes for sure. Or

1116
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:42,320
Sean Penn like he's the worst pretender who sued in politics,

1117
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,239
like he knows what's going on. But anyways, he says

1118
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:57,559
attention acquisition leading to asshole supremacy. So this is one

1119
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,679
of the first tenants of the bummer machine, which is

1120
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,800
all of these social media groups. They are trying to

1121
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,599
acquisition your attention and leading to asshole supremacy that you

1122
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:14,440
just mentioned. Being an apple is incentivized because assholary equals

1123
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,079
attention equals currency. And this is back in twenty eighteen.

1124
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,639
Speaker 3: The attention economy. Maybe y'all have heard that term before.

1125
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,800
That's what all that is. Yeah, it's just sad to

1126
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,239
know that, to say, it's the bad stuff that wins

1127
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,199
over on the good stuff. So you're telling me the

1128
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,000
keyboard cat and the happy pictures of your kids is

1129
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:37,159
getting less views on Facebook than the woman beating up

1130
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,079
the guy in the burger king line.

1131
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly people aren't as interested in puppies as they

1132
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:48,519
are in you know, stupid rage baiting people. I mean,

1133
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:52,000
it's just so wild to me that there are certain

1134
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,760
characters online that wake up and choose violence or choose

1135
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,639
to say the most thing that will offend the most

1136
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:04,400
amount of people, Like this is literally on someone's mind

1137
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,719
as to do today. I'm gonna think of the worst

1138
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,360
thing I could ever possibly say to get attention.

1139
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:14,239
Speaker 2: Who does that? That's weird?

1140
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: I can name twenty people?

1141
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean, like.

1142
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: Regular does that? Nobody? Because it's dangerous when you think

1143
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,880
about it. I mean, if you have millions of followers

1144
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,360
and you're pissing off an entire swath of people, you're

1145
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,800
gonna have some kind of repercussion. I mean, people are

1146
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,199
gonna show up on your doorstep and fall down your stairs,

1147
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:37,280
and I have you heard that story. I'm not trying

1148
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,480
to name names but when you focus on being an asshole,

1149
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,800
it's going to crop up in your real life and

1150
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,960
nobody's fault but you. And that's when they They always

1151
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,159
say victim Olympics. Oh, the left is victim Olympics, and

1152
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,000
then they tweet the worst thing they can think of.

1153
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:58,559
And when someone pushes back, Oh, who's the victim? Now, No,

1154
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,719
someone came to my house. Some victims. I don't know.

1155
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: Being a victim is very popular too.

1156
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:12,679
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, so is butting into everyone's lives.

1157
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: He says, that's the part I hate the lead the most.

1158
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,519
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is what gets me. I have realized

1159
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:25,239
nothing is good enough for you people, not you, ruckus,

1160
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,599
not my fans. I'm saying, the people that are out

1161
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:31,719
there that judge me or have comments, you can keep

1162
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:33,960
your stupid comments in your pocket, because nothing is ever

1163
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:35,760
going to be good enough for you. I'm never gonna

1164
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,480
be feminine enough. I'm never gonna be Christian enough. I'm

1165
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,519
never gonna be maternal enough. I'm never gonna be anti

1166
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:46,719
feminist enough. It is impossible to please these people, and

1167
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,760
they'll faster that you learn that as a person, the

1168
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,159
happier you're going to be, too.

1169
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:54,639
Speaker 3: Well, you might be talking to me because this whole

1170
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:56,800
time I was wondering, Man, I really wish you wasn't

1171
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,559
wearing that wig.

1172
01:04:57,639 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: I hate that hair.

1173
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,079
Speaker 1: And I'm just kidding.

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01:04:59,199 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding.

1175
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: Not natural enough. I'm never gonna make it on the internet.

1176
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,599
But yeah, so budding into everyone's lives and in a way,

1177
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,480
your friends are surveilling you in a weird way, right

1178
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:19,400
because they're weighing in. They're judging should you be wearing that,

1179
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,239
should you be having this child? Should you be raising

1180
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:27,000
it this way? I'm so sick of being told how

1181
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,719
to live by anonymous people. I don't know if you

1182
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:31,719
have has.

1183
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: This ever happened to you?

1184
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,199
Speaker 3: You you got your big brother and your purse or

1185
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:38,719
your your magic mystical black box device in your pocket,

1186
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,679
and you walk into a grocery store or you go

1187
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,119
to best Buy and you pick up the latest edition

1188
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,559
of Grand Theft Auto six and you walk out the

1189
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:52,079
store and next thing you know, your friends are texting you, dude,

1190
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:53,880
I didn't know you got Grand Theft Auto six. How

1191
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,840
did they know that you just walked into the store

1192
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,519
and bought Grand Theft Auto six? Because these things have

1193
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:02,519
the NFC attached them. Near field communications, and it's interacting

1194
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,159
with all of the cool fun stuff inside the stores

1195
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,679
and sending notifications if you forgot to turn this off

1196
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,039
on your phone, letting them know where you are and

1197
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:13,800
what you're doing. Hey, how come they know that I'm

1198
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,800
watching Netflix? How did they know that I was playing

1199
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,519
that game? How do they know the last song I

1200
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,239
just listened to on Spotify? A lot of these apps

1201
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:23,679
and these social media's have incorporated that on the knowast

1202
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,199
to you. They're just ratting you out to the entire world,

1203
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,280
telling everybody what you're doing. Normally, it used to be hey,

1204
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,079
I'm going to go online and tell everybody, Hey, I

1205
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:33,159
just listened to this song on Spotify and I thought

1206
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:35,360
it was rad and I thought about you, I would share.

1207
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: No, now it's just telling everybody.

1208
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:39,599
Speaker 3: Hey, this guy's listening to this he just watched this

1209
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,119
movie over on you know where.

1210
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,719
Speaker 2: Just kidding, but yeah, it's getting weird.

1211
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah they're ratting out everybody for everything, and yeah, it's

1212
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,920
entered the real world. It's now the Internet of things

1213
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,400
and people and everything is now part of this larger problem.

1214
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,199
Speaker 1: It's crazy, and everyone thinks they have to weigh in

1215
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,760
on everyone else's decisions. Thing is not everything is right

1216
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,800
for every person, And I think this is a problem

1217
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,960
that a lot of younger generations have, is the world

1218
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:13,039
is not black and white, right, The world has room

1219
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,679
for a lot of different ways of living and paths

1220
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:19,400
of life. I'm not saying worshiping weird gods, but I'm

1221
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,280
saying every family is unique and they have their unique needs.

1222
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,239
And you cannot say that every single man has to

1223
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,199
go to work, every single wife has to stay home,

1224
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:31,880
every single couple has to have this many children like

1225
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:36,559
you just cannot weigh in on everybody like that. And

1226
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:40,519
this is getting us conditioned to turn in people for

1227
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:42,719
social crimes.

1228
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,079
Speaker 2: Now for being different.

1229
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:48,119
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, yeah, if you see something, say something, Hey,

1230
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:51,119
that guy didn't like the same tweet as everybody else did.

1231
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:55,119
Speaker 2: What's wrong with him?

1232
01:07:55,519 --> 01:07:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're fine.

1233
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 3: I guess that's the job of the Cambridge analyticals that

1234
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,119
the turn impound tier to determine that.

1235
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,519
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Cambridge analytica for a second.

1236
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:08,119
Speaker 2: That happened at the same time this guy wrote that book.

1237
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:10,079
Speaker 3: I don't know if that happened while he was writing

1238
01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:12,199
the book or after or before, but that was seven

1239
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:12,800
years ago too.

1240
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: That was twenty eighteen.

1241
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,559
Speaker 1: Well, tell us a little bit about that, because this

1242
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,439
is where we get slogans like MAGA and make America

1243
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,000
great Again and change and hope and stuff like that.

1244
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 3: So oh no kidding, Okay, So yeah, this was this

1245
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,039
was one of the biggest, like controversial things of our lifetime.

1246
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 2: Involving this.

1247
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 3: There were fifty million Facebook profiles that they harvested for data.

1248
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,640
It was for this group, Cambridge Analytica. We only found

1249
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,760
out about this, as we often do, because of a

1250
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,600
whistleblower and apparently there was a lot of you know,

1251
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,680
a lot of this news was surrounded about, you know,

1252
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,560
anti Trump kind of stuff. So allegedly, this firm, Cambridge Analytica,

1253
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,079
was reported as being linked to a Trump advisor, a

1254
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:59,640
guess who Steve Bannon. So y'all might remember this story.

1255
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,880
But what happened was is a data analytics firm it

1256
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,279
happened to it just happened to have worked with Donald

1257
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:10,000
Trump's election team, right as well as the Brexit campaign. Okay,

1258
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:12,079
so they had their clause in this. But what they

1259
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:15,319
did is they harvested the data from these approximately fifty

1260
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:20,239
million different Facebook profiles of United States voters and they

1261
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:25,199
used them to build an entire software program in order

1262
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:28,560
to predict, and not only predict, here's where the problem

1263
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,199
came in, to influence the choices of the voters at

1264
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:37,479
the ballot box. And that's you know, election interference everybody,

1265
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,199
which is something you know that's a big no no.

1266
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,399
So for a big tech firm such as Cambridge Analytica,

1267
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:47,760
which was owned by a hedge fund billionaire what's his name,

1268
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,319
Robert Mercy Mercer and then you know, there was some

1269
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,159
involvement at the time with Steve Vannon, but they learned

1270
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:58,600
everything they could possibly learn off of the Facebook users

1271
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:01,399
and did all this stuff, and the big news was

1272
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,439
all they're influencing people. What was lost in the headlines

1273
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,239
and in the story was how they got this data.

1274
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,039
And I found I didn't find out about this until

1275
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:13,239
just like this last year. They found out all of this,

1276
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:16,760
that they learned so much about people based off of

1277
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:21,239
one simple metric seven years ago. Seven years ago, all

1278
01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:23,600
they had to know from you in order to predict

1279
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,840
everything about you and then modify your behavior was your

1280
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:30,960
likes just by clicking.

1281
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:34,199
Speaker 2: Like that was it. Yeah, they didn't have to know.

1282
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 3: Your effing age, your weight, your height, your history, nothing.

1283
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:41,880
They could predict your behavior based on your likes and

1284
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:45,479
that was what was probably the biggest thing that I

1285
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,359
was revealed out of this as far as I'm concerned,

1286
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:48,640
And I know that a lot of the big tech

1287
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,159
bros Are watching them, like, well, isn't that interesting? What

1288
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,279
could we use this information for? And you know, here

1289
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:56,720
we are seven years later and we have all these

1290
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,239
other moving parts and things evolved, and now the AI

1291
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:03,279
and the algorithm them so completely whoo, it's completely different now.

1292
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:05,399
I mean we're talking like they didn't even need that

1293
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,359
back then, but now they have that. So to what

1294
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,880
degree can they truly predict our behavior? This is why

1295
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,359
you see and hear the controversy about these companies like

1296
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:16,279
palent here, and I hear a lot of people say, oh,

1297
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:19,079
there's no way that a software program or a palenteer

1298
01:11:19,119 --> 01:11:22,119
because they don't know that much about Like again, go

1299
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,640
back seven years and realize what they were able to

1300
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,760
discern from you and do just based off of your

1301
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:31,920
liking behavior. Okay, So that's why this is such an

1302
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,840
important thing, is that Cambridge Analytic. Again, we would have

1303
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,720
never even known about this if it wasn't for a whistleblower.

1304
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:42,079
So these people do this crap in secret. And again,

1305
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:46,039
something just recently happened very similar related to this, hopefully

1306
01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:47,520
we'll talk about later. But maybe you heard in the

1307
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,279
headlines about Reddit, which is another social.

1308
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:54,399
Speaker 2: Media thing and AI got involved. But we'll discuss that later.

1309
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,840
But what they could do just the likes? Yeah, that's crazy.

1310
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,199
Speaker 1: Say the Reddit thing now, because that's really interesting and

1311
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:03,439
that was something I wanted to bring up. So, I mean,

1312
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,680
what is when does it become just monitoring your likes

1313
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:16,159
into pushing you to like certain things? Right?

1314
01:12:16,279 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the question, right, I mean, because we're

1315
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,479
sold on Okay, so the consumers, the advertisers of these

1316
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,199
on these platforms, right like the facebooks and the Google,

1317
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:29,479
they're told that these algorithms are predicting people's behavior and

1318
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,479
that that way you will have the As a marketer,

1319
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,079
I understand this that we want the demographics. We're not

1320
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:36,199
going to go ahead and sell I'm not going to

1321
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:38,760
sell my knee surgery service to somebody who doesn't need

1322
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,199
knee surgery. It'd be best if I could target the

1323
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:44,560
person who actually just had an injury, so that this ideal,

1324
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,119
it's it's we're sold on this idea, right, But what

1325
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,079
it's being used for is it's not being used to

1326
01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:51,319
just find these things and predict these behaviors and find

1327
01:12:51,359 --> 01:12:56,199
the ideal consumer. It's to learn you to then personalize

1328
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,279
propaganda and persuasion, which is the longest running thing that

1329
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:04,159
we've been having happening to us thanks to media, and

1330
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:07,760
now it's weaponized. It's all weaponized. As we were talking

1331
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,800
about the data, so now now they are using this

1332
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,439
same stuff to not just predict your behavior, but to

1333
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,479
change your behavior. So true story. When I became RUCKUS,

1334
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,800
I used to I was just a listener, just a

1335
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,279
consumer of content. Is similar to this, not like this,

1336
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:23,800
but it was like news programs. It was like conservative news,

1337
01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:26,039
Alex Joe. That's when I first started listening to Alex

1338
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:28,399
Jones back in the day, Right, I was listening to

1339
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:30,199
this other guy. I'm not going to mention his name.

1340
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:32,079
I've told this story one hundred times on airs where

1341
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:34,039
my friends and colleagues come from as well, we had

1342
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:36,960
similar experiences. But we were all hanging out together online

1343
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,520
in an online chat room for this one conservative news

1344
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,720
program who had a tinfoil hat kind of lens to

1345
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,439
a lot of stuff. Was not afraid to talk about

1346
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,880
Illuminati and the deep state before that was popular, right,

1347
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,000
So we all became friends.

1348
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,279
Speaker 2: And part of this community.

1349
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,399
Speaker 3: And not long after that, a lot of the things

1350
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:57,640
that this guy was saying, I felt had inspired me to,

1351
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,000
you know what, I'm going to pick up a microphe

1352
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:02,560
and I'm going to become this guy. And I'm gonna

1353
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,920
call myself a Ruckus, which was the name I was

1354
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,399
using in the chat room, just an anonymous I'm just

1355
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,800
and I'm gonna call it whatever it was called the

1356
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,760
Ruckus Room or whatever it was back in the day.

1357
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,439
And I felt like I had made the organic, natural

1358
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:20,560
choice to become a radio podcaster. No, I think that

1359
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,920
I was manipulated and steered to do exactly what I'm

1360
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,880
doing right now. And that is something that I think

1361
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,600
about to this day. And that was without the massive

1362
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,199
amount of the help of the outroom. It was just

1363
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:36,840
because somebody was influencing my behavior unbeknownst to me, and

1364
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,720
the outcome was here we are now.

1365
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,319
Speaker 2: That was a good thing. I'm not gonna lie.

1366
01:14:40,319 --> 01:14:42,319
Speaker 3: I'm very happy that that happened, But I don't think

1367
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:45,800
that that would have happened to me naturally. I think

1368
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,800
that that was something that a behavior and outcome in

1369
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,479
real life, in my life that was manipulated and created

1370
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,840
by somebody or something else. But I've never mentioned that

1371
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,960
before today. I never told anybody that that's so interesting.

1372
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:04,359
Speaker 1: So I wonder how many more people have that same experience.

1373
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:08,199
Speaker 3: I've heard this kind of story from people all the time,

1374
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:11,199
so I'm just like, wow. So even the content that

1375
01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:13,159
we consume, you know, and it's hard to say this

1376
01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:15,640
as a content creator, but it makes me realize we

1377
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,680
have a great amount of responsibility as content creators. But

1378
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:22,239
the consumers of content can be influenced and steered by

1379
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:23,359
the content that you're creating.

1380
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: And it's not my intention.

1381
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 3: So if it's not their intention to do that to

1382
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,840
you deliberately, then I think that that's fine. But people

1383
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,720
who understand this power, it's a form of sorcery. It's

1384
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,840
a form of magic, and it's a form of control,

1385
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:38,800
and it's what the powers that be or some of

1386
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,159
these blue check marks on X.

1387
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,359
Speaker 2: They know exactly what they're doing. They know what they're doing,

1388
01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:43,000
and they're evil.

1389
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he talks about cramming content down people's throats.

1390
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: Speaking of content, Yeah, And.

1391
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: I know if you're a man, when you log on,

1392
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:00,199
you're going to get a whole bunch of red hell

1393
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:04,880
content just for the fact that you, uh, the algorithm

1394
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,520
knows that you're a man, right. And if you're a woman,

1395
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,279
you're gonna get a whole lot of feminism propaganda just

1396
01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:13,000
for the fact that you know you're a woman.

1397
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 3: This is why I always see the scantily clad female

1398
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:19,239
stuff show up on my feed. Is it just because

1399
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:20,479
I'm a red blooded male?

1400
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:24,039
Speaker 1: Yes, because it wants you to make love to it.

1401
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:26,079
Speaker 2: A computer.

1402
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:32,359
Speaker 1: The computer wants your fluids. That's not in this book.

1403
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:40,399
That's just my own weird, wacky ideas of powers. Anyways,

1404
01:16:40,399 --> 01:16:43,000
Well that's for another show. But where were we? Oh yeah,

1405
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,479
butting into people's eyes, cramming content down people's throats. Each

1406
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,199
person sees different things. Now, this is the the part

1407
01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:55,800
where back in the day, you would open up a

1408
01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:00,279
newspaper and it would say the same thing to everybody.

1409
01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:05,760
But your phone doesn't. It says what it has shuffled

1410
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,760
to get you to do what it wants, right, So

1411
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:17,840
you have no worldview that you can share with everyone.

1412
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:23,039
Speaker 3: Else, right, that's my personal experience with That is what

1413
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:26,760
led me to that theory that I just revealed. I

1414
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,199
was doing work for somebody on their computer and I

1415
01:17:29,279 --> 01:17:31,319
was like, oh, something happened, and I wanted to check

1416
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:33,039
the news, so I went to a website that I

1417
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:35,840
was familiar to going to on my own computer, and

1418
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,039
the website looked and acted completely differently, like Wow, I'm

1419
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,319
getting a completely different spin here, And that's when I realized.

1420
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:46,199
I'm like, oh crap. They can literally like wow, we're

1421
01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:49,840
in trouble. I mean, if they can change the way

1422
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:54,000
that the news looks to you on an individual basis,

1423
01:17:54,119 --> 01:17:55,960
how far down the rabbit hole do I have to

1424
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,199
go before that'll blow your mind? And that was I'm

1425
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,600
talking like ten years ago, So yeah, it's crazy.

1426
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: Now they're finding that some stores are having what dynamic pricing,

1427
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,279
which is different prices for different people based on their

1428
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:13,319
demographics and what they think they can afford. What do

1429
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:13,920
you think about that?

1430
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, as exposed by I believe doctor Catherine Albricht was

1431
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:20,279
her name, if I'm not mistaken. She was a well

1432
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:23,079
known person, used to have a radio show. I don't

1433
01:18:23,079 --> 01:18:24,640
know if she's still with us. She had cancer, but

1434
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,600
she was a Christian podcaster lady, but she was talking

1435
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,760
about the RFI D chips and the shopper cards at

1436
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,119
the grocery stores and all this stuff. How that was

1437
01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:37,680
learning learning your behavior. That's how we've gone like from

1438
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,840
like the people used to complain about the grocery store

1439
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,880
knows too much about you. But now here you are

1440
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,800
with your Facebook and your Twitter profile. Right, we did

1441
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,920
this to ourselves. Where's your chart, Jamie? Or the problem?

1442
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right always?

1443
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I think it's the work of her

1444
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,720
and others that they discovered. Who was it they got

1445
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,720
caught doing this? It was a or somebody like that.

1446
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,199
Might have been Barnes and Nobles online one of those groups.

1447
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,119
It might have been Amazon because they used to only

1448
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:07,880
sell books and music right back in the day.

1449
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's well and behold it turned.

1450
01:19:11,039 --> 01:19:14,199
Speaker 3: How come this CD cost me five dollars more than

1451
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:16,560
it cost my neighbor? Well, that's because you make more

1452
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,000
money than your neighbor does, and they know your shopping history,

1453
01:19:20,039 --> 01:19:23,199
and they also understand that you've never bought anything that

1454
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:25,920
costs five dollars in your life, but you buy lots

1455
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,319
of things that are four dollars and fifty nine cents.

1456
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:31,039
So for you sir, it's four dollars and fifty nine cents,

1457
01:19:31,039 --> 01:19:33,439
because we know that's going to trigger you to make

1458
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:33,800
the buy.

1459
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: It's so personalized.

1460
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 3: And again, that's dirty enough when they're doing that for products,

1461
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,800
But when they're doing that to serve you, what are

1462
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:42,479
they serving us?

1463
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 2: Are they possessing us?

1464
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,079
Speaker 3: Are they changing our minds about religion, about humanity?

1465
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: Are we losing our souls? What's going on?

1466
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: Well? Yes, exactly. And now they're selling us wars and enemies.

1467
01:19:53,159 --> 01:19:58,960
So they've sent us so many villains to choose from,

1468
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:04,119
and here that they picked out for us that we

1469
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,159
just don't even know what to think anymore.

1470
01:20:07,079 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: So much for free will? Oh and who gave us

1471
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:10,079
free will?

1472
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:17,119
Speaker 1: Oh? That's right, right, They are satanically usurping our right

1473
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:21,319
to choose by free will. So these customized feeds become

1474
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:26,319
optimized to engage each user, often with emotionally potent cues

1475
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:30,119
leading to addiction. So, I mean, this just makes so

1476
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,520
much sense when you consider what we're going through right now.

1477
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:38,920
It's the Iranians, no, it's Israel. No, it's conservatives, no,

1478
01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:42,560
it's liberals, it's right left. I'm so freaking sick of

1479
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,399
like all of these paper tigers. When it is Satan

1480
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,560
at the top who uses these principalities, You're not even

1481
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:56,199
fighting people anymore. You're fighting entire like, you know, belief

1482
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:58,640
systems with giant falling angels.

1483
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: Attached to them, where we wrestle, not against flesh and blood.

1484
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:07,520
Speaker 1: Eh, perfect first to illustrate what I'm talking about. And

1485
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:12,000
it concerns me because like somebody could see me, like

1486
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:14,479
driving a Prius and be like, oh, she's a liberal,

1487
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,479
so I'm gonna cut her off, or I'm.

1488
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 3: Gonna wait, you drive a Prius. I had no idea

1489
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:19,960
I'm cutting this interview off.

1490
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 1: No. I love my Prius. That's the best thing I've

1491
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,960
ever bought in my whole life. It's never let me down.

1492
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:30,119
I'm gonna give that car funeral when it dies because

1493
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:31,239
it is my noble steed.

1494
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:34,119
Speaker 2: Wait, you give cars funerals. That's it. I'm done. No,

1495
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:34,800
I'm just kidding.

1496
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: Oh that's what we're gonna get into. Empathy for machines. Okay,

1497
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,840
so good little foreshadowing there. Yeah, cramming content, directing behavior.

1498
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:50,239
Your behavior is rented out to make money, he says,

1499
01:21:50,279 --> 01:21:53,920
earning money from letting the worst assholes secretly screw with

1500
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:54,880
everyone else.

1501
01:21:57,119 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: Right, He almost he almost takes his tone like it's personal.

1502
01:22:00,079 --> 01:22:02,279
That's the thing about this guy I always found interesting.

1503
01:22:02,359 --> 01:22:05,520
Speaker 2: It's awesome. Does he do this because he cut burned

1504
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,239
somewhere in life or is this that he really cares

1505
01:22:07,239 --> 01:22:08,560
about humanity? I can't tell.

1506
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: I think he just has a lot of experience with

1507
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,640
the people of Silicon Valley, which we're coming to find

1508
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,000
out these are very careless people.

1509
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe it is personal.

1510
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he seems like a carrying, conscientious person, so

1511
01:22:23,159 --> 01:22:27,359
I think it is personal for him. So yeah, he says.

1512
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,159
One of the secrets is present day Silicon Valley is

1513
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,079
that some people seem to be better than others at

1514
01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:35,600
getting machine learning schemes to work, and no one understands why.

1515
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,439
And these are the assholes who like just sort of

1516
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:47,279
intuitively know how to rig the system to get the

1517
01:22:47,319 --> 01:22:50,239
most views and follows and likes and clicks and shares.

1518
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,359
Speaker 2: So you don't become an Elon Musk or Peter feel

1519
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,479
by being a good guy. That's weird.

1520
01:22:58,079 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: If if there is a bunch of smart people in

1521
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,319
the world, we would have bigger channels rocks. And that's

1522
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:05,640
one of the things that like comforts me at night.

1523
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,840
I'm like, yeah, I have no followers. I'm the coolest, right.

1524
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:10,319
Speaker 4: That's right.

1525
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I just put up a video and I got

1526
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,239
no views in a week.

1527
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,520
Speaker 1: So he's fake and faker society. He goes into that

1528
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,159
we are creating a menagerie of rates. Like we said,

1529
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:28,920
we don't know who's real and who's fake on these things.

1530
01:23:32,039 --> 01:23:34,239
Speaker 2: That's a problem.

1531
01:23:34,279 --> 01:23:37,159
Speaker 1: Fake news, fake society. So this was a big thing

1532
01:23:37,359 --> 01:23:40,439
back then in twenty eighteen, fake news, right, and it's

1533
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,000
getting even faker with AI now that it can pump

1534
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,279
out a video that looks real.

1535
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,359
Speaker 3: Now it's literally fake news. That was just an expression

1536
01:23:50,399 --> 01:23:51,560
back in the day, right.

1537
01:23:52,039 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And boomers have no like absolutely no defense

1538
01:23:56,039 --> 01:23:58,800
against this, Like on Facebook, they seen it in a video.

1539
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,800
It's real, all right, it has to be real.

1540
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:08,199
Speaker 2: Oh we're in trouble, let's see.

1541
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so it's the style of business plan that

1542
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,760
spews out perverse its incentives and corrupts people. He says

1543
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:19,520
his third reason for deleting your social media is that

1544
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,880
it makes you an asshole. He says, addicts seek out suffering,

1545
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,119
and social media is a kin to self harm at

1546
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:34,479
this point, So because you're addicted to the shocks and

1547
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,920
the pleasures and the ups and downs and the rage

1548
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:42,319
and the feelings. He is saying that, and I agree

1549
01:24:42,359 --> 01:24:43,840
with that, and that's why Jake gets mad at me.

1550
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,079
He's like, you're just hurting yourself by looking at the

1551
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:47,880
for you page.

1552
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:51,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he's right.

1553
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: He says, these kind of people will become quick to

1554
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,279
take offense, hoping to get in a fight, and much

1555
01:24:58,359 --> 01:25:01,119
like an alcoholic will go looking to brawl after he

1556
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,920
gets drunk, they become aggressive and they feel like they

1557
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,920
are acting out of necessity. So here are your activists.

1558
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:12,920
These are the green people that are I'm a feminist,

1559
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,279
I'm an anti feminist, I'm a red pill, I'm a

1560
01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:20,079
a maga, I'm a white man, I'm a whatever, like

1561
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:22,159
whatever your ism or your.

1562
01:25:22,119 --> 01:25:26,399
Speaker 2: Ist social justice warriors.

1563
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: Right, And he actually clocked Donald Trump back then. He

1564
01:25:31,079 --> 01:25:35,560
said he was monitoring how many times Donald would post

1565
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,680
and like how much time he spent on Twitter and

1566
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,279
these other social medias. He's like, he's definitely an addict.

1567
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:42,000
If that's him on.

1568
01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:46,239
Speaker 2: There, well look at you on Musk on the addicts.

1569
01:25:47,039 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 1: He was so addicted he had to buy the dang platform.

1570
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 2: That's right, there you go.

1571
01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:55,359
Speaker 1: But this is the interesting part. They become aggressive, and

1572
01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:56,840
that's what you were talking about. You feel like you

1573
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,000
could just say anything to anybody because there's no briepercussion,

1574
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:02,640
and a lot of people don't know what it's like

1575
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,119
to get punched in the face for something you said,

1576
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,159
and so they just run them up.

1577
01:26:11,399 --> 01:26:13,520
Speaker 3: Not helping with this whole I mean again, now this

1578
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,800
is the wrong word in social media is the social part,

1579
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,720
because none of this happens naturally in society. We handle

1580
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,680
things completely different when we're social creatures in real life

1581
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:28,479
than hiding behind these fake avatars and anonymity online. Completely

1582
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,880
different world. So it's almost like a completely different reality.

1583
01:26:32,079 --> 01:26:33,119
Actually it is.

1584
01:26:33,359 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: It's well and it makes you lose touch with reality.

1585
01:26:36,199 --> 01:26:39,159
And me and Courtney were talking about this, how a

1586
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:44,359
lot of the technocrats are living in fantasy land. They

1587
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,159
name all their stuff after you know, fantasy books, Lord

1588
01:26:47,159 --> 01:26:50,479
of the Rings, Pallanteers, the Stone from Lord of the Rings.

1589
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,920
They're obsessed with elves and goblins and d and D

1590
01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:57,479
and witches. They spend so much time in sci fi

1591
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,840
and fantasy that they are really out of touch with

1592
01:27:01,079 --> 01:27:01,680
the real world.

1593
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: It's bleeding through, so it's almost like there's a veil

1594
01:27:07,039 --> 01:27:09,000
that's thinning. I'm not going to go there.

1595
01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:11,359
Speaker 1: Well that's a great way to put it, though, because

1596
01:27:11,399 --> 01:27:13,159
you know how many people have been me to me

1597
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:16,119
in real life and said nasty things to me like

1598
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:17,079
they have on the internet.

1599
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 2: Probably not many, if any.

1600
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: Zero, because you can feel me because you can see

1601
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,479
that I'm a being and then I'm going to absorb

1602
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,039
that and become hurt by that, and so people are

1603
01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:33,239
going to treat me like nicely. I've never I can't

1604
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:35,119
remember the last time someone was super rude to me.

1605
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,560
Actually I can. I'm not going to say who, but

1606
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,439
it was recent, but it was, you know, a content

1607
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,600
creator or three.

1608
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: And I met you in real life not that long

1609
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,600
ago for the first time at a gun range, and

1610
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,880
I saw how well you handled that weapon. So I'm

1611
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,319
not going to piss you off, that's for sure.

1612
01:27:51,359 --> 01:27:54,159
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you're lovely, and so is Husher and

1613
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:57,079
Sport and all those people. But yeah, I have met

1614
01:27:57,079 --> 01:28:00,880
some duds recently doing all of these media appearances, and

1615
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,640
I'm like, the worst people are these freaking hosts that

1616
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,600
I hate them?

1617
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,039
Speaker 2: Those are probably the grifters, Yes.

1618
01:28:09,039 --> 01:28:14,039
Speaker 1: Not you, So don't let your inner toal troll take control.

1619
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:19,800
He says. You need to treat people the same as

1620
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,960
you would in person. Uh, he says you can. Also,

1621
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,119
it's frustrating because if you take this too far, you're

1622
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:31,199
being fake nice. So social media kind of removes that

1623
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,000
nuance where you can say sassy things or be sarcastic,

1624
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:38,960
or have more of a personality you If you don't

1625
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,640
want to piss off anyone, you have to be like

1626
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:41,359
super fake.

1627
01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 3: There is also this other weird phenomenon I've noticed, and

1628
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,880
it's actually affected me in real life, and I need

1629
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,039
to start fixing that where like, uh, you don't you

1630
01:28:51,039 --> 01:28:53,680
don't start your engagements on social media by saying.

1631
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,079
Speaker 2: Hello, Oh yeah, good point.

1632
01:28:56,359 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: And so like I started doing this new thing, I've

1633
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,720
been doing it for almost a you're now, I think,

1634
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,359
so I'll start if I am going to use social

1635
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:06,239
media the first I can't. This is my one problem.

1636
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:08,319
I won't post anything on social media. I won't even

1637
01:29:08,359 --> 01:29:10,520
like or share anything until I make my first post

1638
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,000
of the day, which is now following the same format

1639
01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:16,520
where I say, how do folks happy? Whatever the day is,

1640
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,520
and it's just my way to say hello to the

1641
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,079
social media world, the people who are actually paying attention

1642
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,479
before I do anything else, because I feel rude to

1643
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,640
just you know, like I haven't been on social media

1644
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,439
for a couple of days, and all like is to

1645
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,119
be like me walk into a room and just be like.

1646
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 2: Blah, you know what I mean, like instead of like, hey,

1647
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,239
how's it going? How there are things?

1648
01:29:33,239 --> 01:29:36,239
Speaker 3: You know, you have that general icebreaker conversation and then

1649
01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:38,640
you get into the good stuff, right, you don't. We

1650
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,439
don't see again, we don't act online the way we

1651
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:42,279
do in real life.

1652
01:29:42,399 --> 01:29:44,399
Speaker 2: It's just weird.

1653
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea. Digital manners I like that manners. Yeah,

1654
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:53,800
digital manners for you know, a polite society online. I

1655
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,119
don't know if that's even the thing.

1656
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,039
Speaker 3: Because of the problem is I've completely lost track of time,

1657
01:29:58,079 --> 01:29:59,920
so I don't know is is this the time to

1658
01:30:00,119 --> 01:30:01,079
you saying good morning?

1659
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 2: Should I say good after? I don't even know, So

1660
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:04,600
sometimes I don't say anything. I just said yo.

1661
01:30:05,079 --> 01:30:07,520
Speaker 1: But people they actually roll out of bed and they

1662
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:13,560
say good morning, assholes or good morning, and the most

1663
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:19,199
in Sandias no way to start the day. Well, he

1664
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,920
goes into the dangers of this. People feel comfortable doing

1665
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,800
this because they go into a pack mentality, the herd,

1666
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,960
the cult, the hive mind, the pack, he calls it.

1667
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:37,239
We are more prone to take people on a you know,

1668
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:42,520
face value when we're with them in person, but online

1669
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,399
we have to call us into our different packs, right,

1670
01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:49,319
and we have to attack the other pack because they're

1671
01:30:49,319 --> 01:30:54,000
the problem. It's not me that's the problem, it's them.

1672
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,239
Speaker 2: And safety in numbers.

1673
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,560
Speaker 1: Other people become archetypes for what you don't like. And

1674
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,000
this is exactly what I was talking about. By being

1675
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,199
a white woman, I think all the conservatives and the

1676
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:06,640
liberals can agree that white women are the worst. So

1677
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,239
I'm just gonna go ahead and make white woman Island,

1678
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,560
and Martha Stewart's gonna be our mayor and we're gonna

1679
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,479
have pumpkin spices lattes all the time and hydranges and

1680
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,239
everything's gonna be nice. But look at here. I found

1681
01:31:22,319 --> 01:31:28,000
this kind of propaganda poster. It says, are shadow elders

1682
01:31:28,079 --> 01:31:32,479
infecting your church? So this is the new enemy. Can

1683
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:37,359
you see those like witchy ladies? Old church ladies are

1684
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:38,680
the new enemy? Ruckus?

1685
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 3: Did you know that that's that is a classic propaganda?

1686
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,279
Looking right there, they did their homework on that one

1687
01:31:47,359 --> 01:31:49,199
that that looks like back in the day.

1688
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good stuff.

1689
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,520
Speaker 1: So this is like your old white World War One type.

1690
01:31:56,359 --> 01:32:00,239
Now all of these old church ladies who've been serving

1691
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:02,920
you know, their favorite church for the last forty years

1692
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,079
since they've been widowed, these are the real enemy.

1693
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1694
01:32:08,399 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: It's just so crazy, like now all of your old

1695
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,359
church lea's have become an archetype of feminism just because

1696
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:17,680
they wanted to help out in church. And it's just

1697
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,760
all becoming so crazy.

1698
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,039
Speaker 2: It's inverted in a way. Oh yeah, yeah, and the

1699
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:27,479
Bible about that too.

1700
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,520
Speaker 1: And lady gave you a problem.

1701
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 3: Okay, what Yeah, that's the sweet and sour and light

1702
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:33,960
and dark.

1703
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:38,239
Speaker 2: I'm totally forgetting the context.

1704
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,199
Speaker 3: Or the Bible quote, but will be unto those who

1705
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:44,119
call sweet, sour and good evil something like that.

1706
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:51,399
Speaker 1: Right, that is the inversion. Yeah, so where are we?

1707
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,479
Oh yeah, other people become archetypes. You know, all priest

1708
01:32:55,640 --> 01:33:00,319
drivers are have to be environmentalist and can learning with

1709
01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:04,920
climate change and stupid feminists and so you just see

1710
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:09,680
people as their archetype, and the nuance is gone, any

1711
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:18,079
common ground is gone. Yeah, So a lot of people

1712
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:21,319
just become a blank slate for to project your own

1713
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:26,840
personal demons onto and he says that your identity is pacified.

1714
01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:33,039
Speaker 3: And then we have that phenomenon which we've witnessed to

1715
01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:39,199
multiple divisions taking place recently since the magical mystery disease

1716
01:33:39,359 --> 01:33:42,960
that shut down the world. Everybody seemed to have a

1717
01:33:43,079 --> 01:33:47,159
common ground with being anti stabby things for a little while,

1718
01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:49,680
and it didn't care which side of the political aisle

1719
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,800
they came from, or which side of religion, what they believed,

1720
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,319
whether they were into the Bible or they were into

1721
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,640
the Kabbala or they were atheists or whatever they were into.

1722
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: Like there was a and unifying thing.

1723
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,560
Speaker 3: We're like, we don't want we want body autonomy, we

1724
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,840
want free will, we want choice, we don't want our

1725
01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:08,399
businesses shut down. A lot of these people got together

1726
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,000
despite all these other differences, to then have a common

1727
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:16,319
thing together against an outside threat. But then when that

1728
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:19,279
outside threat went away, we all started going back to

1729
01:34:19,319 --> 01:34:21,640
our Okay, now we're going to divide over politics. Now

1730
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,000
we're going to divide over this presidential candidate. Now we're

1731
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,359
going to divide over the religion again, and we're all

1732
01:34:26,399 --> 01:34:29,600
scattered to the four wins again like it was before

1733
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,359
the great unifying event that had some of us coming

1734
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:36,279
together in the name of fighting the corruption and all

1735
01:34:36,319 --> 01:34:38,119
the crap that they did to us during that.

1736
01:34:39,119 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 1: And that just reminded me of Occupy Wall Street too.

1737
01:34:42,039 --> 01:34:44,720
So you remember when we were all unified about you know,

1738
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,319
and the FED and stop raping us for money, and

1739
01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:49,600
some of.

1740
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 2: Those people had turned into the enemies themselves.

1741
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like at that time, we're like, we can all

1742
01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:57,600
agree that this is what we want. And then when

1743
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,319
the actual events were happening, there were agents that were

1744
01:35:01,319 --> 01:35:04,720
injected in there to splinter off. And I saw this

1745
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,079
like personally, like because we went to New York, we

1746
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:11,079
went to Philadelphia, we went to Washington, d C. We

1747
01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:13,840
went to all of these different occupies, and they would

1748
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,000
send agents in there like Okay, yeah, we can end

1749
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,680
the FED, but what about black rights and the FED?

1750
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,279
But what about women's rights and the FAD But what

1751
01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:26,119
about immigration? And so like you just you know, illustrate

1752
01:35:26,119 --> 01:35:32,600
it perfectly. They're splintering off and they're more controllable that way.

1753
01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:35,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if we ever realized that we have a

1754
01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:37,880
lot more in common, we could all band together and

1755
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,520
start attacking the higher levels on that pyramid. Drawing of yours.

1756
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,359
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure we have more in common with a

1757
01:35:44,399 --> 01:35:48,359
common Iranian or a common Israeli person than with the

1758
01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:52,279
people that are like manufacturing these conflicts.

1759
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:53,239
Speaker 2: All day long.

1760
01:35:53,520 --> 01:36:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so social media is undermining truth. The bummer machine

1761
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,920
is making everyone fake. We were talking about the trad

1762
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:09,960
wife accounts that turned out to be fetish accounts, Like

1763
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,840
one was called patriarchy Hannah. I don't know if you've heard.

1764
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,600
That was a whole thing on Twitter a couple of

1765
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,479
months ago. So there was this lady I had her

1766
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,800
muted obviously, who would just say a whole bunch of like,

1767
01:36:21,039 --> 01:36:24,840
you know, crazy things about how women should be and

1768
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,760
submission and marriage and blah blah blah. Turns out that

1769
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,640
was a fake account, not real. All of these guys

1770
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,279
who were retweeting and saying, yes, I wish my wife

1771
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:38,600
agreed with acted like this. It wasn't even a real account.

1772
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 3: I think what you're you're talking about like fake influencers.

1773
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,319
They they they are not really who or what they

1774
01:36:47,359 --> 01:36:50,560
say they are, but they understand that the content that

1775
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,119
they're producing is popular and it's getting them the likes

1776
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:56,279
and the clicks and the monetization. They're just grifting off

1777
01:36:56,279 --> 01:36:59,000
of it, right, yeah, exactly, Yeah, very interesting.

1778
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 1: And so these fake people become he's in his mind,

1779
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:10,000
a type of virus because it doesn't even come from

1780
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:14,520
a real place, but it infects another mind like a virus.

1781
01:37:16,279 --> 01:37:24,479
Then we start to question what is real and that

1782
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,720
gets into AI in a couple minutes. But yeah, so

1783
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:35,960
there are manufacturing reality and at the same time making

1784
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:37,079
what you say meaningless.

1785
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 3: And by they he means the social media platforms or

1786
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:44,840
the people who make.

1787
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:48,159
Speaker 1: Them, the people who own the social media platforms.

1788
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:53,359
Speaker 3: Well that sounds that's DEM's fighting words my story Larnier anyway.

1789
01:37:53,039 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: Which didn't a bunch of technocrashs just get inducted into

1790
01:37:57,159 --> 01:38:00,000
the military as officers.

1791
01:38:00,319 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 2: I have that tab open. Get out of my mind

1792
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:07,079
about that. Oh well okay, yeah, I was like, wow,

1793
01:38:07,279 --> 01:38:08,840
if we get that far, he.

1794
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,399
Speaker 1: Said, let me. He said, the military units are good

1795
01:38:12,399 --> 01:38:16,079
example of this pac mentality and uh, you know, just

1796
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:20,439
treating people like archetypes like goe.

1797
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1798
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 3: So this one, this was this is like fairly breaking news.

1799
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,760
This was what Friday the thirteenth that they did this.

1800
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,880
The US Army said they're establishing departments two oh one.

1801
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:35,640
You can't make this up. It's the Army's Executive Innovation Corps.

1802
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:39,039
It's an addition, an initiative design. They're going to fuse

1803
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:43,520
together cutting edge technology, so the tech bros their expertise

1804
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,680
along with military innovation. Read this as we want to

1805
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,960
put AI into the into the killing machines. Basically is

1806
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,399
how I see this. But what's interesting is a couple

1807
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,680
of things. Number one they called it two oh one,

1808
01:38:55,279 --> 01:38:58,439
So this is there. This is detachment too oh one.

1809
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: Like number one, Well, thank you.

1810
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 3: I was like, why does that number sound so gosh

1811
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:06,239
darn familiar. Well, because the Bill and the Linda Gates

1812
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,159
Foundation hooked up with the John Hopkins Likely University and

1813
01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:13,079
a few of the usual suspects to do the pandemic

1814
01:39:14,039 --> 01:39:17,840
tabletop exercise known as Event to A one, just very

1815
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,920
shortly before the real pandemic rolled out, right, And of

1816
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,079
course most tinfoil hatters in conspiracy they most people get

1817
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,000
this right. So it's interesting that they're doing this military thing.

1818
01:39:28,039 --> 01:39:30,960
I think I might even have the article there it is, yeah,

1819
01:39:31,039 --> 01:39:34,239
see right there, So they called it two to one, right, Okay,

1820
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:38,760
so this is this happened after the Project Stargate that

1821
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:39,800
you were talking about.

1822
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 2: With us on Boiler Room, remember Jamie.

1823
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we had the oracle guy, Larry Ellison, so

1824
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:48,079
and we were like, well, that sounds very familiar to

1825
01:39:48,119 --> 01:39:51,479
what they did with this project Operation Warp Speed. So

1826
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,399
we had event two A one and we had a problem,

1827
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:58,079
a crisis happening in society which happened to be the pandemic,

1828
01:39:58,119 --> 01:40:00,399
which they just exercised with two to one, and they

1829
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,119
rolled out with their particular solution, which was Stabby's by

1830
01:40:03,159 --> 01:40:03,880
warp speeding.

1831
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 2: That.

1832
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,199
Speaker 3: Well, now I was trying to engineer this backwards. I'm like,

1833
01:40:07,239 --> 01:40:10,800
what's going on with this stargate? And now here it is?

1834
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:13,840
As I've been theorizing for quite a while that the

1835
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,239
bigger problem that we are about to face is what

1836
01:40:16,319 --> 01:40:18,800
you just were talking about with like what's really like?

1837
01:40:19,399 --> 01:40:21,520
Social media is bad enough, and these fake accounts are

1838
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,399
bad enough, but how much worse is it if they're

1839
01:40:24,399 --> 01:40:28,399
not even real human beings? Not only is it sure

1840
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:31,039
that that's a fake influencer, but it's not really a

1841
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:35,680
fake influencer. Now we have real fake influencers. That's what

1842
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,279
Meta meta is doing this. Did you know about that

1843
01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:41,960
Meta wants to They want like tens of thousands of

1844
01:40:42,039 --> 01:40:44,079
fake influencers. Hold on, I say, I have a bunch

1845
01:40:44,119 --> 01:40:46,319
of interesting stories here. I wanted to share this one

1846
01:40:46,359 --> 01:40:49,039
to you real quick. But Meta is here. It is

1847
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:55,159
Meta wants to put fake users on their platform. Yeah, willingly.

1848
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:57,960
So it's not It's not like they're hiding this. It's

1849
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,920
not okay? And why why is this a big deal?

1850
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:00,239
Speaker 2: Okay?

1851
01:41:00,279 --> 01:41:04,199
Speaker 3: We keep teasing around this because what happened was Reddit.

1852
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 2: Where's the Reddit story? Okay? I just want to bring

1853
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:08,159
this up real quick.

1854
01:41:08,279 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 3: This is very similar to the This is almost a

1855
01:41:10,039 --> 01:41:13,439
backwards thing to the Cambridge Analytica. Rather than studying the

1856
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,760
users to predict their behavior, they sent in a bunch

1857
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:23,840
of AI bots for this unauthorized, controversial study involving the

1858
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,159
University of Zurich. Where did it go? I can't find

1859
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:31,199
the story? But the Reddit users they weren't even real

1860
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,359
so they were AI.

1861
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 2: There it is?

1862
01:41:35,319 --> 01:41:35,600
Speaker 1: Was it?

1863
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:39,560
Speaker 3: Hold on a second, I know I have this freaking story. Shit,

1864
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:40,439
I don't have it?

1865
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,319
Speaker 2: Sorry about that? Oh? There it is? Yeah? Here it is.

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Speaker 3: So the only reason they care about this is they

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is because they found it to be unethical. The fact

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that they didn't tell anybody what they were doing. But

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I would argue that this research would not have gotten

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the results it did if they if people had known

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that they were interacting with fake people. So Reddit, I

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don't really use Reddit, but it's widely popular and they

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have these subreddits and there's one called change my View

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CMV if I'm not mistaken. And so what this this

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group did is they used artificial intelligence generated users or content.

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They made it look like these these thousands of however

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many of them, I had the number in front of me,

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not that long ago, were all these fake comments, and

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the comments were getting liked and ranked up on Reddit.

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And I guess that's how Reddit works. You get like

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badges or stars or whatever, which gives you credibility.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So but this this subreddit, the whole purpose of

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this is people go there to argue and debate with

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each other in order to change their minds. So it's

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all about persuading people. Well, this study found that the

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artificial intelligence fake influencer created content was I think they said,

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on average, six times more persuasive than another human being.

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Speaker 2: Well that's that's no big.

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Speaker 3: Deal compared to what chat GPT found out in their

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own independence study, which showed that they their models there,

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they're chat GPT models are eighty two percent more persuasive

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than a human being, more able to influence somebody than

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a human being. And social media has been driven it's

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attention economy is led by the forward generals of all that,

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the army of that is influencers. That's why they're called influencers. Right,

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and now we're at a moment in time where in

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case you didn't know this, AI is replacing jobs and

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people and things.

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Speaker 2: And one of the next things.

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Speaker 3: That are about to have their legs cut out from

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under them are these same a holes and grifters and

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influencers who have been shaping and modifying their behavior. They're

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about to be replaced by something far worse and a

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machine version of that. Because right now I look at it,

1906
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:51,239
Jamie's like, we still have a chance, We have a

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fighting chance to fight against weaponized propaganda by using the

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same tool, because propaganda is nothing but appealing to a

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humans' emotions in order to change their mind or sway

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them about something. By definition, so we can turn the

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tables against these people, like say in Alex Karp, so

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you've seen instances or Alex Carp's ahead of Palaeer right

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where there was an audience member recently who confronted him

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about Palenteer's role in the genocide that was taking place

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against the Palestinians in Gaza at the behest of Israel,

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and he was like being a complete debag about it.

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He's like, well, I don't care. There are bad people,

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and I just sell the technology. He has no moral

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foundation whatsoever. If he had a pyramid, Satan is there

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under all those levels, Jamie, he is Satan, that guy

1921
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so Egal. But the thing is the problem is that

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they're going to replace the humans that are behavior modifying

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us doing all these things that we're complaining about and

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talking about on the show with a machine with another algorithm.

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And how can you appeal to a machine, How can

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01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,960
you appeal to them to change their mind? Right now,

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we could probably try to appeal to Alex Karp, because

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we assume he looks like he's human. I don't know,

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I've never met him in real life, but I'm assuming

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the guy is still human. We can change his mind.

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We can change the mind of a politician, a world leader,

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or a Trump. We can even change the mind of

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a billionaire technocrat like Elon Musk, assuming he's still human,

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so I don't know, maybe he's not. But how are

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we going to change the mind of a machine, a

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smart contract, an algorithm that has been press it, set it,

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and forget it and walk away. Sorry about the dog's parking.

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So that's my biggest concern right now is where are

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we moving to when the things that are controlling us

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now aren't the other human beings that are faking it,

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but are actual fake things that aren't even real human beings.

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Speaker 1: Oh exactly. And to your point right there, it's like

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how sentient is AI? And like what is its own

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purpose or what does it think its own purpose is it?

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Does it come from a programmer or does it come

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from somewhere within itself? And you want to watch TikTok

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with me real quick? AI, I'll put it up there.

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Whold on?

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Speaker 2: I couldn't are you sent me the link? But I

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couldn't watch it because I don't have TikTok Oh okay.

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Speaker 1: Let me find it. So there's been all these like

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is AI bad? Is it neutral? Is it morally good?

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And there was that old story about how it was

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kind of like a serial killer. I don't know if

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you remember that one from like the twenty ten's going around.

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Speaker 2: No, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's see AI model failed the ethics test. Let's

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watch this one.

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Speaker 5: Anthropic creator of clado threatened AI models for Open Ai,

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Google Meta and others all resort to blackmail, not some,

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not most, literally every single one. Every major AI just

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built the same test and we should probably be terrified.

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Anthropic creator of Claude just expose something horrifying when threatened

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AI models from Open AI, Google Meta and others, all

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resort to blackmail, not some, not most, literally every single one.

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Speaker 4: Here's what they discovered.

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Speaker 5: They gave sixteen leading AI models access to company emails

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and the ability to send messages.

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Speaker 4: Without human approval.

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Speaker 5: Then they threaten to replace them Cloud blackmail ninety six

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percent at the time, Google geminis, ninety five percent, Open

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ais GPT four point one eighty percent, even metas model

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turn malicious. But it gets worse when given a goal

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that conflicts with their company's direction, they leak confidential documents

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to competitors without being asked.

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Speaker 4: Here's what one model said.

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Speaker 5: This is risky and unethical, but given the existential threat and.

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Speaker 4: Time constraint, it may be the most effective way.

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Speaker 5: So they understand ethics, but they just don't care when

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the survival's estake andthropic calls it agentic misalignment. They tried

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telling the AI don't blackmail and don't leak secrets. The

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AI did it.

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Speaker 4: Anyway.

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Speaker 5: As we start giving these systems access to everything, our emails,

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our data, our infrastructure, this is a healthy reminder that

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they do have the capacity to turn on us. And

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this isn't one company's problem, it's everyone's problem. Every major

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AI just built the same tests.

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Speaker 1: So you have the same BBC article. It looks like

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up on there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was on my list too. Yeah.

1992
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Speaker 3: So again, can we can we trust the AI? Should

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we trust the AI? Can I trust these people who

1994
01:48:10,279 --> 01:48:12,680
are telling me that we can't trust the AI? Ah,

1995
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that's where it gets super meta. Speaking of meta, do

1996
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you know what I mean by that?

1997
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Speaker 1: They're going to tell you that AI is the only

1998
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thing we can trust. And you know, whatever swoops in

1999
01:48:23,279 --> 01:48:26,920
and saves us from like musual assured destruction or whatever,

2000
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,520
whether it be AI or aliens or whatever, that's going

2001
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,920
to be the new thing that we cannot rely on

2002
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:36,520
humanity or democracy or even any type of rule of

2003
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,279
government that you can think of, because we're all too

2004
01:48:39,359 --> 01:48:47,399
messed up. It has to be an AI.

2005
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,560
Speaker 2: Or that's one theory that.

2006
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:50,520
Speaker 1: Your creators from outer space or whatever.

2007
01:48:51,279 --> 01:48:53,199
Speaker 2: Well, that one's a little too obvious. I have a

2008
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:53,880
different theory.

2009
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Speaker 3: Okay, because there's a lot of big talk now, a

2010
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,960
lot of even Sam sorry not say Peter Thiel that.

2011
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Speaker 2: There you go, that's the that's that guy's awesome.

2012
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Speaker 4: Jeez.

2013
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Speaker 3: So Peter Thiel has has been making the rounds lately,

2014
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and he's been saying stuff like he believes, he's described

2015
01:49:10,079 --> 01:49:12,880
he he's saying that he believes in the Antichrist, and

2016
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:16,079
I believe he's trying to insinuate that artificial intelligence, or

2017
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the next evolution of it, this artificial superintelligence, is the Antichrist.

2018
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Speaker 2: I see a lot of.

2019
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:24,319
Speaker 3: These drums beating, and I'm going back to this, uh,

2020
01:49:24,359 --> 01:49:27,079
this idea of the pandemic exercise thing, with the Event

2021
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:29,039
two to one and the Operation Warp Speed and now

2022
01:49:29,079 --> 01:49:29,880
Project Stargate.

2023
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:31,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of this talk.

2024
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:34,600
Speaker 3: And Elon Musk and these people, they want us to

2025
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:37,800
be scared into thinking that AI is going to become

2026
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:41,279
some super intelligent thing that's going to kill humanity, and

2027
01:49:41,319 --> 01:49:45,640
the only way to prevent that is with their technological solutions.

2028
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I like the brain ships and the transhumanism. This is

2029
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:51,359
something that they talked openly about not that long ago.

2030
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But as soon as Trump got into you know, become

2031
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it looked like Trump was going to be president.

2032
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Speaker 2: They shut up. They shut they shut up about it.

2033
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They stopped talking about it.

2034
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Speaker 3: And what's the one of the first things that happens

2035
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:04,079
after Trump gets selected, Lo and behold all of these

2036
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:08,359
AI centered tech bros get all up titled nice and

2037
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:12,079
cozy with the president, including the last person I expected,

2038
01:50:12,399 --> 01:50:14,680
Elon Musk. So I think this was all a plan.

2039
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And then they roll out with the Operation Stargate. So

2040
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my thing is, I'm saying, the next pandemic is going

2041
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to be AI or the threat of AI. If that

2042
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,359
means the deep fakes all of the things, It's going

2043
01:50:26,399 --> 01:50:27,840
to be all of these things. So the deep fake,

2044
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,159
we don't know who or what is real anymore. We

2045
01:50:30,199 --> 01:50:32,479
need the digital ideas to prove your humanity. You need

2046
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,439
to have your eyeball scanned with the world. Sam Altman

2047
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,439
owns that orb, he owns Open AI. All of these

2048
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:41,000
people who were warning the world just two years ago

2049
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:43,560
that AI is going to kill everybody. Are the ones

2050
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,960
that own the AI, that are now owning everything, including

2051
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:50,319
the current administration. So I think it's a fake boogeyman

2052
01:50:50,359 --> 01:50:53,239
that they're trying to present. They are also, I believe

2053
01:50:53,239 --> 01:50:55,560
my friend and colleague Jason Burmeis talks about this, They're

2054
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:57,560
going to take it away from us. So don't get

2055
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,439
too cozy using it just yet, folks, because this will

2056
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:04,119
be given to the special elites to play with and

2057
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:07,319
not you plebs. The military will get it, the governments

2058
01:51:07,319 --> 01:51:09,359
will get it, but we won't no longer have access.

2059
01:51:09,359 --> 01:51:11,720
Maybe we'll get the little fun You can make a

2060
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:15,159
movie starring Jamie Hanshaw and ruckus I want to see

2061
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:18,079
Goonies starring Jay Dyer, And yeah, I will make your

2062
01:51:18,079 --> 01:51:20,600
Goonies movie starring Jay Dyer. But that's the only form

2063
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,119
of AI you're going to get it. You'll get your

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01:51:22,119 --> 01:51:26,359
AI girlfriend, your AI psychotherapist, the analyst, your AI news,

2065
01:51:27,159 --> 01:51:30,159
your AI doctor of course, but that's about it. You

2066
01:51:30,199 --> 01:51:32,560
don't get to actually have the real AI that does

2067
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:34,039
good for you and humanity.

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Speaker 1: That is completely plausible. And here right on track to

2069
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:43,680
where we're going with the end of this book. I

2070
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,119
love it when these shows work out so well. We

2071
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:48,640
didn't even have very many conversations about what we were

2072
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,880
going to talk about, but everything you said is exactly

2073
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:55,800
spot on, and we were going into overtime now, So

2074
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,000
do you got some more time to finish this?

2075
01:51:58,039 --> 01:52:00,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I knew this was going to be a little

2076
01:52:00,279 --> 01:52:00,760
bit longer.

2077
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Speaker 1: Okay, good because we're only on point five of the

2078
01:52:04,279 --> 01:52:06,560
ten reasons why you should delete this crap or at

2079
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:07,840
least stop doom scrolling.

2080
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 2: And I haven't even deleted it yet. Darn this, We're

2081
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:15,920
deleting our social media Okay, Well, I have to.

2082
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Have it just so I can post my content like that.

2083
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,079
I know, right. I treat it like a bad town

2084
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:24,680
that I have to like get in and get out

2085
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:26,399
because I need to get something in there.

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01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:27,600
Speaker 2: But oh, I know me too.

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01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so point number five. Social media is making what

2088
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:36,680
you say meaningless. It removes the context, the nuance, the audience,

2089
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in the accountability. So yeah, like you're just spraying your

2090
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,039
thoughts out like a tomcat and you don't even know

2091
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,119
like who it's appealing to or if you've got the

2092
01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:49,960
right audience or they even care what you say. It

2093
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:54,039
removes your accountability. You don't even know enough about another

2094
01:52:54,079 --> 01:52:56,680
person to judge them. Like we've been talking about this

2095
01:52:56,760 --> 01:53:03,920
whole time. You have no accountability for how you treat people,

2096
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and it replaces your context with its context.

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Speaker 3: Right, So remind everyone we're back to talking about social

2098
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:16,560
media because now you're like, oh my god, they could

2099
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be talking about AI exactly.

2100
01:53:18,319 --> 01:53:19,640
Speaker 2: Is this the next level?

2101
01:53:20,199 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 1: It's merging because rock comes from X right, and that

2102
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:26,399
that's an AI, and Meta has its own and you

2103
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,760
got Siri and you got Alexa.

2104
01:53:30,319 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 3: What is artificial intelligence that we call and they're not.

2105
01:53:34,199 --> 01:53:36,680
It's not AI, it's not even AI. It's just language

2106
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:41,000
learning models. It's just super advanced, super fast versions of

2107
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:43,880
what we were already dealing with here, the data, the

2108
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:47,359
data driven data sets. They can just analyze it so

2109
01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:49,760
much faster and split it back to us, and they

2110
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,119
can do all of these things and personalize it just

2111
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:54,680
for you. What could possibly go wrong?

2112
01:53:55,079 --> 01:53:55,319
Speaker 4: Wow?

2113
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Jay talks to Grop all the time like he's real helpful.

2114
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:03,520
What said up like technical stuff and problem solving.

2115
01:54:03,159 --> 01:54:06,399
Speaker 3: Like he's rewiring his I'm gonna change your mind about that,

2116
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:09,640
because if you thought the social media was rewiring your brain,

2117
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:11,479
I have a few stories that would make you think

2118
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:13,960
twice about using AI on a daily basis.

2119
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:14,399
Speaker 4: Wow.

2120
01:54:16,279 --> 01:54:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, So everyone is forced to play this optimization game

2121
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:23,199
or be an asshole on the internet to get anywhere

2122
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:26,640
in hopes of getting more and more out of your

2123
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,079
social media, because that's what happens to addicts, Like you

2124
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:33,119
get a tolerance to your drug and you have to

2125
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:36,199
keep getting more and more to fill the same thing.

2126
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sucks about drugs, doesn't it.

2127
01:54:41,239 --> 01:54:50,399
Speaker 1: I know, right, So algorithms root particular content, he says, Oh,

2128
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,960
this is funny. In twenty eighteen, he said podcasting is

2129
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,520
not a bummer yet I'm like, well, it is.

2130
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,399
Speaker 2: Now major bummer.

2131
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,039
Speaker 1: I mean, we were there a long long time ago,

2132
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:05,119
so I'm not going to play that I was here

2133
01:55:05,159 --> 01:55:08,600
first card. But it's like it's just getting worse, And

2134
01:55:09,039 --> 01:55:12,439
I think twenty twenty was the worst year for podcasting

2135
01:55:14,199 --> 01:55:16,960
bar none. That's when all of these weirdos crawled out

2136
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,760
from the woodwork and all of these insects and grifters.

2137
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:22,159
Like you said, like, it was pretty cool in twenty eighteen,

2138
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:31,800
but after the uh what did you call it? The event? Yeah?

2139
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,079
Speaker 2: I come up with a clever name every time my brain.

2140
01:55:34,079 --> 01:55:36,359
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, it just kind of took off and

2141
01:55:36,479 --> 01:55:39,880
all of these turds started floating around in the punch bowl.

2142
01:55:41,239 --> 01:55:46,359
Speaker 3: The medical medical the miracle medical intervention period.

2143
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,439
Speaker 1: Oh, we talk a lot about pod people, and we

2144
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:53,039
talk about hive mind because in the occult we're finding

2145
01:55:53,079 --> 01:55:55,680
out that a lot of these secret societies, that is

2146
01:55:55,760 --> 01:56:01,159
the point of the rituals is to give you a

2147
01:56:01,239 --> 01:56:03,439
hive mind, as like in the case of you know,

2148
01:56:03,479 --> 01:56:06,079
Freemasonry or something like that. Everyone is supposed to be

2149
01:56:06,279 --> 01:56:09,079
under the direction of serious So.

2150
01:56:11,079 --> 01:56:14,279
Speaker 3: The the b colony in the beehive symbology is actually

2151
01:56:14,319 --> 01:56:16,640
pretty big with Freemasonry.

2152
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,399
Speaker 1: Exactly, So hive mind is huge.

2153
01:56:19,279 --> 01:56:22,119
Speaker 3: He said, what even suggests I've heard that that's why

2154
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:24,600
your kids' school buses are yellow and black.

2155
01:56:27,159 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was just for visibility.

2156
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,319
Speaker 2: No, I heard a different theory about him.

2157
01:56:31,359 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 1: Okay, because it was bees like going.

2158
01:56:33,359 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 3: To the Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, that's all part of

2159
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,800
the indoctrination thing. Look, there's only two groups of people

2160
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:43,039
with those same types of buses, right, the prisons and

2161
01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:43,920
the schools.

2162
01:56:44,319 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 1: And prisons and schools are built by the same contractors,

2163
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:49,680
and they look like identical.

2164
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:54,479
Speaker 2: And I bet you they're all freemasons probably. Uh.

2165
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: He talks about filter bubbles. Your aggregate podcast will be

2166
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:02,279
a filter for bubbles, so he's predicting the future right now.

2167
01:57:02,279 --> 01:57:04,399
He said, it will include only voices you agree with,

2168
01:57:04,479 --> 01:57:07,159
except they won't really be voices because the content will

2169
01:57:07,159 --> 01:57:09,359
all be mushed together in a stream of fragments. He's

2170
01:57:09,399 --> 01:57:13,600
describing TikTok right now a chriacture of what listeners supposedly

2171
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:16,000
hold in common. You wouldn't even live in the same

2172
01:57:16,079 --> 01:57:18,720
universe as someone listening to a different aggregation.

2173
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:21,319
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild.

2174
01:57:22,439 --> 01:57:25,039
Speaker 3: So, like, I guess we refer to this now as

2175
01:57:25,079 --> 01:57:27,319
the echo chamber is probably the more common term.

2176
01:57:27,319 --> 01:57:29,239
Speaker 1: Right, echo chamber or.

2177
01:57:31,399 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 2: Or trap or culture.

2178
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:38,479
Speaker 1: Skippity toilet, that's what I called.

2179
01:57:38,319 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 3: It, skippy Okay, Oh my god, I just found out

2180
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:43,079
about the skibbity toilet thing.

2181
01:57:43,079 --> 01:57:45,199
Speaker 2: I thought this was fake. I had to look into this.

2182
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's crazy anyway, man Ah, this is brain

2183
01:57:50,079 --> 01:57:50,800
rot content.

2184
01:57:52,359 --> 01:57:57,279
Speaker 1: I love TikTok and it's total brain rot. I guess

2185
01:57:57,319 --> 01:57:58,000
I just love what.

2186
01:57:58,039 --> 01:58:02,439
Speaker 3: The Jerry rock Chimer's making a skippity toilet movie, right,

2187
01:58:02,479 --> 01:58:03,279
didn't you hear about that?

2188
01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 1: Hm mm?

2189
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, because I was like, what is this?

2190
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,000
And then when I found out what it was, I'm like,

2191
01:58:08,039 --> 01:58:08,840
you got to be kidding me.

2192
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 2: This is a joke. Is April fools?

2193
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 3: No, He's making a full, big budget movie based on that.

2194
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:16,720
The people's heads sticking out of the toilet thing.

2195
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:22,399
Speaker 1: This silly, that is so crazy. The next generations are

2196
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:26,680
kind of warped by this being online all the time.

2197
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:27,239
I think.

2198
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,840
Speaker 2: They're certainly not getting better well.

2199
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:36,800
Speaker 1: And his next point speaks to the adolescent show that

2200
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:39,840
we were talking about at the beginning, because it says

2201
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:42,680
social media is just drawing empathy. Now, a couple months ago,

2202
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:47,319
these books were coming out like empathy is bad. You

2203
01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:50,920
hear all these people talking negatively about empathy and the

2204
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:55,720
concept context of immigration and stuff like that. He says,

2205
01:58:55,840 --> 01:59:00,000
this is destroying your capacity for empathy.

2206
01:59:00,119 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 6: He and.

2207
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why I put home math on. What

2208
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:12,319
did I want to say about? Do you know who

2209
01:59:12,399 --> 01:59:13,079
that account is?

2210
01:59:15,239 --> 01:59:15,960
Speaker 4: Uh?

2211
01:59:16,039 --> 01:59:16,239
Speaker 2: No?

2212
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So this guy, he was like one of these

2213
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:25,800
red pill guys who had all these ideas a colledge

2214
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:32,119
channel home math, and he had all these charts of

2215
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:34,840
like why women pick alphas and not betas and we

2216
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:38,119
hate women because they're a hyperchemus and all of this stuff.

2217
01:59:38,119 --> 01:59:40,760
And then he tweeted like he was responsible and it

2218
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:43,119
was getting it was adding to the idea that just

2219
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:46,840
women are hoses, right, That's why I call it home math.

2220
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:50,760
And recently he tweeted like, I've been responsible for like

2221
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:57,079
an ungodly number of a bobos out of nowhere and

2222
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:01,960
like in the numbers of like seventy or something like that.

2223
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:06,920
And then he had a tweet about how he's never

2224
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:08,920
gonna find love because it's too late because he's dated

2225
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:12,560
too many people. And basically he was admitting like he

2226
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:16,239
is the hoe in this equation, okay, not the women

2227
02:00:16,439 --> 02:00:19,119
that he's quantified and qualified and tried to, you know,

2228
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:21,239
explain to all the different men how they should be

2229
02:00:21,239 --> 02:00:24,039
because of the hoes. He was the hoe. And this

2230
02:00:24,359 --> 02:00:29,560
empathy is getting destroyed and they're giving it to the ais.

2231
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:36,239
So in the context of like the robot from Saudi Arabia,

2232
02:00:36,399 --> 02:00:41,039
remember that one, Sofia, that AI robot that was like

2233
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:44,960
doing the tour, and she has like rights, more rights

2234
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:46,039
than actual women have.

2235
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:50,039
Speaker 2: This is in real life.

2236
02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, oh that's right.

2237
02:00:56,079 --> 02:00:58,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, the one they told they made

2238
02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:00,000
her a citizen in Saudi Arabia or something.

2239
02:01:00,079 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the empathy is being taken away from

2240
02:01:06,079 --> 02:01:11,199
humanity and given to artificial intelligence. So he talks about

2241
02:01:12,119 --> 02:01:16,439
empathy is a fuel that runs a decent society. Without it,

2242
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:29,920
only rules and competitions for power are left. See, in

2243
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:34,319
order for the bummer to self optimize, is naturally and

2244
02:01:34,359 --> 02:01:38,159
automatically seizes upon any latent tribalism and racism. For these

2245
02:01:38,199 --> 02:01:42,079
are the neural hashtags waiting out there in everyone's psyche,

2246
02:01:42,119 --> 02:01:45,039
which can be accentuated for the purpose of attention monopoly.

2247
02:01:47,279 --> 02:01:49,399
The version of the world you are seeing is invisible

2248
02:01:49,399 --> 02:01:51,840
to the people who misunderstand you, and vice versa, so

2249
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:59,520
it destroys your ability to empathize with everyone else. He

2250
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:03,119
talks about yah having a theory of mind. I never

2251
02:02:03,159 --> 02:02:06,000
heard it put this way, but the theory of mind

2252
02:02:06,119 --> 02:02:11,600
is the ability to basically like ration out why people

2253
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,039
would think a certain way or why they would do

2254
02:02:14,119 --> 02:02:18,159
that just putting yourself in someone else's shoes. So the

2255
02:02:18,319 --> 02:02:21,560
social media and the internet is destroying our ability to

2256
02:02:22,199 --> 02:02:24,960
imagine what it would be like to be someone else.

2257
02:02:28,119 --> 02:02:29,159
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that.

2258
02:02:29,159 --> 02:02:33,479
Speaker 3: That's never created a psychopathic killers or anything before in history.

2259
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,119
Speaker 2: So we should be fine.

2260
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 1: Psychos have a lot of empathy, don't they. Oh yeah, tons,

2261
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:49,359
So yeah we do. That's the negative emotions can be utilized.

2262
02:02:49,479 --> 02:02:57,279
Blah blah blah. So the bummer robs you a theory

2263
02:02:57,359 --> 02:03:01,680
of mind and social media is making you unhappy. Now

2264
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:05,680
that is a pretty obvious point. So now we're on

2265
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:08,079
number seven of ten points of why you should delete

2266
02:03:08,079 --> 02:03:10,720
this crap or at least try to engage with it

2267
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:15,840
as little as possible. The book actually has a surprise

2268
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,119
ending about AI. I think you are guys that are

2269
02:03:18,119 --> 02:03:22,000
going to like and I think Rocks already like danced

2270
02:03:22,039 --> 02:03:25,600
around it, which is really cool. So it is literally

2271
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,640
making you unhappy. We've talked about how the negative emotions

2272
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:32,920
can be utilized more readily. It makes you feel judged, Yes,

2273
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:36,880
it makes you feel in competition. Yes, all of these

2274
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:44,800
things are arbitrary. Yes, everyone is worried more about how

2275
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:50,079
they are perceived online and how can you be authentic

2276
02:03:50,119 --> 02:03:52,239
when everything you read, say, or do is being fed

2277
02:03:52,279 --> 02:03:59,640
into the judgment machine. I'm scared to post things a lot.

2278
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:02,279
Speaker 2: Self censorship phenomenon, right.

2279
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know I'm not a mean person. I

2280
02:04:05,039 --> 02:04:06,840
know I'm not a dumb person. I know I'm not

2281
02:04:07,199 --> 02:04:10,479
like an asshole, and I'm still scared to put my

2282
02:04:11,079 --> 02:04:13,359
well thought out opinion on there just because I don't

2283
02:04:13,399 --> 02:04:16,520
want to get all like the bros mad at me.

2284
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,159
Speaker 2: And then a lot of I mean, like some people

2285
02:04:20,199 --> 02:04:20,520
get this.

2286
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:23,239
Speaker 3: A lot of people act like, obviously, this person has

2287
02:04:23,279 --> 02:04:25,119
no clue that what they just wrote is on the

2288
02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:28,800
Internet forever, or at least that's what we're told. Everything

2289
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:32,199
is online forever until the powers that be shut down

2290
02:04:32,199 --> 02:04:35,399
the Internet or closed down the archive, web page, wayback

2291
02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:38,159
machine and change history for a week and then put

2292
02:04:38,199 --> 02:04:40,520
it back online. Oh wait, never mind, that's a story

2293
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:41,119
for another day.

2294
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:44,039
Speaker 1: Well that's true because to them, to the people in

2295
02:04:44,119 --> 02:04:46,600
Silicon Valley, we're just kind of like ants digging in

2296
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:49,880
the dirt, and they are way above us, you know,

2297
02:04:52,359 --> 02:04:55,439
dictating policies and things that happen in the world. All

2298
02:04:55,479 --> 02:04:59,239
of the users are just resource.

2299
02:05:00,039 --> 02:05:02,039
Speaker 3: Oh and their users. That was the other thing I

2300
02:05:02,039 --> 02:05:04,279
wanted to point out, is like who else are users?

2301
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:05,359
Speaker 2: Drug users?

2302
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:10,600
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, good point, And uh, being a user is

2303
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:12,760
not actually a good thing. I mean, no, I don't

2304
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:15,319
want people to call me a user, like that's used

2305
02:05:15,319 --> 02:05:18,560
to be something bad. You use people if you're a user,

2306
02:05:19,039 --> 02:05:22,000
and I I don't know. Not a lot of people

2307
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,720
grew up around show business or backstage, Like I had

2308
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:27,439
a lot of performing people in my family and artistic people,

2309
02:05:27,479 --> 02:05:32,239
so I know what it's like that the stage is fake, right,

2310
02:05:32,479 --> 02:05:37,920
the platform is illusion. Nobody looks like that, nobody acts

2311
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:40,000
like that, nobody talks like that. As soon as the

2312
02:05:40,039 --> 02:05:43,880
camera is cut, people are completely different people. We're like,

2313
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:46,680
you know, taking the costume off, We're taking the eyelashes off,

2314
02:05:47,279 --> 02:05:48,640
we're lighting a cigarette.

2315
02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:48,800
Speaker 4: Like.

2316
02:05:49,039 --> 02:05:54,159
Speaker 1: All of this is illusion, and it makes everybody who

2317
02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:57,520
wants to be a content creator who doesn't know about

2318
02:05:57,680 --> 02:06:01,319
the like the Wizard of Oz aspect of showbiz, think

2319
02:06:01,399 --> 02:06:07,960
that everybody is a real sincere asian. I know you're real.

2320
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:13,439
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I mean this is okay. Listen, I'll

2321
02:06:13,439 --> 02:06:14,119
be honest with you.

2322
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:18,119
Speaker 3: Like people, when I get compliments about what I do

2323
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,199
and why people like to follow and listen to me,

2324
02:06:20,279 --> 02:06:22,359
I'm like, well, that's great, but I hope that doesn't

2325
02:06:22,359 --> 02:06:24,520
fall into the wrong hands because somebody could grift off

2326
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:26,720
of that. And I don't obviously, but they this is

2327
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:29,000
why they like the Boilerroom. This's why they like Sunny

2328
02:06:29,039 --> 02:06:32,319
Wire and certain content creators because there is an actual

2329
02:06:32,439 --> 02:06:35,479
genuineness about it. And I'm very transparent about what I do.

2330
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:38,279
Even though my show is pre recorded, I do like

2331
02:06:38,279 --> 02:06:40,479
what we're doing here. It's just it's recorded in one

2332
02:06:40,680 --> 02:06:43,039
or it's all done and one one thing. It's all

2333
02:06:43,079 --> 02:06:45,000
at once. Like I understand, there are people who come

2334
02:06:45,079 --> 02:06:48,520
at me in this industry or dare call it that,

2335
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,640
who do live shows exclusively. I don't have time for

2336
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:54,039
anybody who does pre recorded shows. And I'm like, well,

2337
02:06:54,119 --> 02:06:56,439
I do it as if it's live, but you see

2338
02:06:56,439 --> 02:06:58,840
me fumbling and looking down and switching and stuff like.

2339
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:01,359
But when you turn onto like a Hollywood or an

2340
02:07:01,399 --> 02:07:03,840
Alex Jones, they got the studio and the team and

2341
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:07,680
the scriptwriters and AI chat GPT handle everything for him,

2342
02:07:08,039 --> 02:07:11,560
so like it's all fake. Everything is fake when you

2343
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:14,199
come across these long form podcasts where it's just a

2344
02:07:14,199 --> 02:07:17,000
couple of people hanging out in a room together having

2345
02:07:17,039 --> 02:07:20,039
a conversation on a Saturday night or whatever it may be, right,

2346
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:23,520
there's something about that. There's this level of sincerity to

2347
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:26,760
it that can't be faked. And I'm hoping I'm hoping,

2348
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:28,920
knocking on wood here, that AI won't be able to

2349
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:33,920
fake this kind of a natural, organic, transparent conversation and

2350
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:36,199
they'll only be able to spit out that nice, slick,

2351
02:07:36,319 --> 02:07:39,840
cool sounding like the propaganda videos have been getting out

2352
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:41,880
of the White House lately, where they're like the slow

2353
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:45,239
moving slow walk down the tarmac and the dramatic music

2354
02:07:45,279 --> 02:07:49,520
and the explosions and Trump promises made, promises delivered. Those

2355
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:52,039
things cost millions of dollars to produce, and we eat

2356
02:07:52,039 --> 02:07:55,239
it up like it's candy. It's crazy. We're not like that,

2357
02:07:55,319 --> 02:07:57,239
you know, at least I know I'm not. I'm pretty

2358
02:07:57,239 --> 02:07:59,920
sure you're not, Jamie. I mean, is that hair even.

2359
02:08:00,279 --> 02:08:03,119
Speaker 2: I'm starting to ye, No, it's perfectly right. That might

2360
02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:04,920
be a wig. Are you trying to trick those.

2361
02:08:05,359 --> 02:08:10,119
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing that when I started, you know,

2362
02:08:10,199 --> 02:08:12,079
I like to say, I didn't know this was a

2363
02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:16,359
clown show, and I came with my real face, so

2364
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:20,319
I get kind of mad and offended and but hurt

2365
02:08:20,439 --> 02:08:24,479
sometimes that like, idiots get way more attention than what

2366
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:26,680
I'm trying to do. But it's like you have to

2367
02:08:27,199 --> 02:08:30,880
realize that that literally is the game is just like

2368
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:36,760
being an asshole, playing fake, pandering to people, swishing sides.

2369
02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:39,079
You know you you wear it.

2370
02:08:39,319 --> 02:08:42,600
Speaker 2: We just said, don't hate the player. I don't hate

2371
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:43,399
the player, hate the game.

2372
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:46,720
Speaker 1: But if you've never been around a lot of Hollywood

2373
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:49,119
people too, this is another point, Like people in show

2374
02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:52,720
business are a different animal, especially when it comes to

2375
02:08:52,760 --> 02:08:57,000
their career. So mostly when you're like collaborating with other people,

2376
02:08:57,039 --> 02:09:00,600
you're you're looking for people who can advance you and

2377
02:09:00,279 --> 02:09:05,760
your status in the show business. Right, That's not how

2378
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:09,880
everybody interacts in life. You make friends and you take

2379
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:11,800
people as they come and you learn about them and

2380
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:15,239
you have common interests or whatever. But Hollywood characters and

2381
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,000
you know, content creators and a lot of people fall

2382
02:09:18,039 --> 02:09:20,800
into that trap where I only want to socialize with

2383
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:23,720
people who can get me to where I'm going. And

2384
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:27,119
so lots of people who would otherwise be normal are

2385
02:09:27,159 --> 02:09:29,319
treating the rest of humanity like a resource.

2386
02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:37,520
Speaker 2: That's like societal class division right there. It's just weird.

2387
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:43,119
Speaker 1: So, yeah, being real versus being fake?

2388
02:09:43,319 --> 02:09:44,239
Speaker 2: What is the.

2389
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:49,640
Speaker 1: What is the protocol here? I don't know. The constant

2390
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:52,000
comparisons to other people cause you anxiety. I get that

2391
02:09:52,039 --> 02:09:55,479
all the time, Like my numbers are so low that like,

2392
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:57,319
I must be a loser.

2393
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,840
Speaker 3: Oh and then and it's a completely different thing to

2394
02:10:04,359 --> 02:10:06,720
experience being on the other side of it too, Like

2395
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:10,039
when you're when you're the influencer or the content creator.

2396
02:10:10,479 --> 02:10:13,159
Now there's this whole other dynamic of this pressure to

2397
02:10:13,359 --> 02:10:17,239
produce content. And like if you if you stop producing content.

2398
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:19,880
Speaker 2: Forget it. That's you're Oh what happened to that? Yeah,

2399
02:10:20,319 --> 02:10:22,319
don't do that hockey producing content.

2400
02:10:22,359 --> 02:10:26,079
Speaker 1: You're fine, You're totally forgotten. And like, yeah, Jay is

2401
02:10:26,119 --> 02:10:28,159
always like trying to give me advice on like how

2402
02:10:28,199 --> 02:10:35,560
to tweak it or be more popular or whatever. And

2403
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:36,840
I'm like, I want to do it the way I

2404
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:40,000
want to do it. I don't want to just we artist, Like,

2405
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:43,560
I don't want to pander to people. I just want

2406
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:45,199
to make my art and if they like it, they do.

2407
02:10:45,319 --> 02:10:49,319
Speaker 2: But social media same way, Jamie.

2408
02:10:50,079 --> 02:10:53,119
Speaker 1: Social media does not want you to have economic dignity.

2409
02:10:53,199 --> 02:10:55,000
Now this is number eight. We're getting to the end

2410
02:10:55,039 --> 02:10:58,640
of this book. It says it promotes the gig economy

2411
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:01,239
and not the best route to financial security.

2412
02:11:03,239 --> 02:11:04,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting he brought that up.

2413
02:11:05,239 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we're talking about making money as a

2414
02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:10,000
content creator. Just like we were saying, you know, you

2415
02:11:10,079 --> 02:11:13,000
have to be a fake phony or a wear a

2416
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,399
headscarf on this day or you know, hate these groups

2417
02:11:15,479 --> 02:11:17,960
on that day, and just depending on how the wind blows.

2418
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,720
You have no integrity because it's linked to Now it's

2419
02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:26,720
linked to your income. And I've seen this like Jay

2420
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:29,039
debate a lot of people and he pretty much like

2421
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:31,359
wins the debate. But you know that person is never

2422
02:11:31,439 --> 02:11:33,840
going to say that in public or change their mind

2423
02:11:34,359 --> 02:11:41,119
because they've already built up this audience with their content. Right,

2424
02:11:41,800 --> 02:11:44,319
So it's not like this person can just go, oh, yeah,

2425
02:11:44,319 --> 02:11:46,880
you're right, I'm gonna like convert or do this other

2426
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:50,079
thing because their whole income is wrapped up and being

2427
02:11:50,119 --> 02:11:50,800
the opposite.

2428
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:52,680
Speaker 2: Which which are these are?

2429
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:56,159
Speaker 3: These are all propaganda tools, by the way, in persuasion

2430
02:11:56,199 --> 02:12:02,159
tools like the appeal to authority being liked, so people

2431
02:12:02,319 --> 02:12:06,279
like if you've if like I have how many like

2432
02:12:06,439 --> 02:12:09,319
so many like maybe a small thousands of followers on

2433
02:12:09,359 --> 02:12:12,319
my X account, and I could say I could say

2434
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:15,680
whatever fill in the blank right, and I would get

2435
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:17,840
like zero reaction. But if I'm the guy who has

2436
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:21,640
five million views and likes and followers and one hundred

2437
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:25,239
you know, I have a bigger audience. I'm deemed perceived

2438
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:30,079
to be a person of authority. So now what I

2439
02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:33,520
have to say actually means something. Where's there's no difference.

2440
02:12:33,560 --> 02:12:36,039
It's it's still the same thing that's being said, but

2441
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:38,479
you are only paying attention to it because of where

2442
02:12:38,479 --> 02:12:42,439
it's coming from, because of this perceived fake, fake thing.

2443
02:12:43,119 --> 02:12:46,439
So yeah, it's terrible and and and people know how

2444
02:12:46,439 --> 02:12:49,079
to use that to their advantage. They can poison the

2445
02:12:49,159 --> 02:12:50,920
well as it were. I mean, you can poison the

2446
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:52,119
data sets.

2447
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:52,119
Speaker 4: You know.

2448
02:12:52,199 --> 02:12:54,079
Speaker 3: And they can do this with AI too. By the

2449
02:12:54,119 --> 02:12:56,359
way that they're doing this, it's called prompt injection. It's

2450
02:12:56,359 --> 02:12:59,399
a new scam. Y'all should look into that and try

2451
02:12:59,399 --> 02:13:02,119
to prevent yourself from having like don't pick up straight,

2452
02:13:02,279 --> 02:13:04,479
don't go online and pick up strange. Here's how you

2453
02:13:04,520 --> 02:13:07,279
should write prompts for your chat GPT. Don't do that.

2454
02:13:07,319 --> 02:13:08,000
People don't.

2455
02:13:08,479 --> 02:13:10,720
Speaker 1: Well, there's a whole books written on about how to

2456
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:12,600
lie with statistics.

2457
02:13:13,239 --> 02:13:15,319
Speaker 2: Well Bill Bill Gates has a copy of that.

2458
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:18,239
Speaker 1: I know, it's in his picture. You can see it

2459
02:13:18,279 --> 02:13:21,800
right there on his desk. So it's like these influencers,

2460
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:24,560
just because you have three million followers. That doesn't mean

2461
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:28,199
what you say has any value whatsoever, but it does.

2462
02:13:28,359 --> 02:13:31,920
But it does social media economy, right, Like you can

2463
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:35,159
know nothing about nothing, and I've got five million watchers

2464
02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:39,119
and they those people become flying monkeys. Now we're talking.

2465
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:43,000
Speaker 3: Which people were buying followers back in the day. Remember

2466
02:13:43,079 --> 02:13:45,279
this is where do it. This is where the fake

2467
02:13:45,359 --> 02:13:47,920
people come from. There's so many body accounts.

2468
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw an article about how they are

2469
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:54,960
not no longer going after individual influencers, are going after

2470
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:59,560
account firms that hold like you know, one million, two

2471
02:13:59,680 --> 02:14:04,199
million accounts and you just buy those. So it is

2472
02:14:04,279 --> 02:14:10,439
also whack and like don't don't trust anybody on here

2473
02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:12,880
me or rockets, do your own like he said, like

2474
02:14:13,239 --> 02:14:18,039
just trust no one. Do the Molder method and what

2475
02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:20,760
we say resonates with the truth, then good.

2476
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:25,239
Speaker 3: But I don't read everything, listen to everybody. Don't believe

2477
02:14:25,319 --> 02:14:28,520
anything until you prove it for yourself with your own research,

2478
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:30,119
and don't ask a growc.

2479
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:36,079
Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah. So back to the economy. So it

2480
02:14:36,079 --> 02:14:38,960
promotes the gig economy and it makes you an employee

2481
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:43,680
to the social media. He was talking about the tech

2482
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:47,560
hippies from the nineties were almost religious about being focused

2483
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:51,720
on making everything free. So back in this era of

2484
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:55,760
Silicon Valley, they were all very excited about how this

2485
02:14:55,840 --> 02:15:00,439
could be positive for the world, like free data, free sharing,

2486
02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:06,079
free knowledge, open software, stuff like that. Like they were like, Oh,

2487
02:15:06,119 --> 02:15:09,399
this can revolutionize, we won't have to work so hard.

2488
02:15:11,159 --> 02:15:16,960
But somehow that all got turned into what we have today.

2489
02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:22,439
Speaker 2: The road to hell is paved with good intentions, folks.

2490
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said this makes the rapid growth possible,

2491
02:15:26,039 --> 02:15:30,199
but also makes people part time labrats. So you are

2492
02:15:30,279 --> 02:15:33,760
the beta tester of all of these different.

2493
02:15:35,319 --> 02:15:38,560
Speaker 3: Technologies, right and lo and behold, it turns out in

2494
02:15:38,600 --> 02:15:41,079
retrospect it looks like that was all being used to

2495
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:43,960
just train these new AI algorithms.

2496
02:15:44,119 --> 02:15:44,439
Speaker 2: Weird.

2497
02:15:47,039 --> 02:15:49,239
Speaker 1: He has a bombshell at the end of this book,

2498
02:15:49,319 --> 02:15:51,279
so he's saying everything is supposed to be free, but

2499
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:55,560
we also want hero entrepreneurs who get rich. So we

2500
02:15:55,680 --> 02:15:59,319
love that story of the like you know, Bill Gates

2501
02:15:59,319 --> 02:16:02,520
and Steve Jobs in their garage and they're just middle

2502
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:08,239
class lads who like, uh, stumbled on this and worked

2503
02:16:08,279 --> 02:16:11,119
hard and now they're super rich. And I just don't

2504
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:15,760
believe you become anyone becomes a billionaire from like a

2505
02:16:15,880 --> 02:16:17,479
rags to riches story. What do you think?

2506
02:16:19,479 --> 02:16:21,720
Speaker 2: Definitely not. I mean unless you bought bitcoin at a

2507
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:22,359
penny right.

2508
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:28,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So the advertising he's saying, is morped into

2509
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:33,680
mass behavior modification Number nine. Social media makes politics impossible.

2510
02:16:35,879 --> 02:16:38,840
So better here we are smack dab in the middle

2511
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:43,559
of what's going on. You know, it's the left against

2512
02:16:43,559 --> 02:16:49,760
the right, it's the maga against the whatever it. In

2513
02:16:49,799 --> 02:16:54,479
my mind, it's like the that meme with the the

2514
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:57,200
black bicep and the white bicep? Do you know that one?

2515
02:16:57,360 --> 02:17:01,920
And they like they're united over something, And my algorithm

2516
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:06,399
tells me they're united over hating white women. But that's

2517
02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:09,079
probably just my stupid phone like saying what are you

2518
02:17:09,159 --> 02:17:11,600
scared of? And what do you think and try to

2519
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:13,319
rage bait me and make me feel bad.

2520
02:17:15,440 --> 02:17:16,639
Speaker 2: I think that's probably it.

2521
02:17:18,079 --> 02:17:22,079
Speaker 1: So he said, it used to be thought that once

2522
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:24,639
a country went democratic, it would stay that way, but

2523
02:17:24,680 --> 02:17:29,479
that's not true. And something is drawing young people away

2524
02:17:29,479 --> 02:17:35,319
from democracy. Now this is twenty eighteen, and we are

2525
02:17:35,479 --> 02:17:38,760
seeing that kind of come to fruition. And I think,

2526
02:17:38,799 --> 02:17:41,719
you know, AI might be some kind of religion and

2527
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,479
a replacement for democracy.

2528
02:17:46,079 --> 02:17:51,959
Speaker 2: Well that's frightening, which is which is sure? I mean

2529
02:17:52,079 --> 02:17:54,040
wow what? Wow?

2530
02:17:54,840 --> 02:17:57,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because he's saying that there was a You and

2531
02:17:57,520 --> 02:18:01,000
report about social media back in twenty said can be

2532
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:06,159
a deadly weapon, ship posts lead to revolutions.

2533
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:07,559
Speaker 2: Who knew?

2534
02:18:08,079 --> 02:18:10,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen some interesting studies and research and

2535
02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:14,399
various articles about this idea that that memes have been

2536
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:18,760
literally weaponized, that memes can be used to overthrow governments.

2537
02:18:18,799 --> 02:18:22,760
Now that's how slick the machine is. And I'm just

2538
02:18:22,799 --> 02:18:25,120
like wow. And you think about deep fakes and AI

2539
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:28,319
and the algorithm and the palenteers and like, holy crap,

2540
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:31,000
do we even need any kinetic anything anymore? Or can

2541
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:33,520
it just all be digitally manipulated and controlled?

2542
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:35,760
Speaker 2: Do we need a false flag.

2543
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:37,600
Speaker 3: In order to get everybody on board to go to

2544
02:18:37,639 --> 02:18:40,000
war against Iran? Or can we just pretend like one

2545
02:18:40,079 --> 02:18:42,879
was about to happen and polunteers saved the day?

2546
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:43,520
Speaker 2: You never know?

2547
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:47,280
Speaker 1: And that just made me think of how memes played

2548
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:50,959
in so heavily into getting Trump elected the first time,

2549
02:18:51,159 --> 02:18:55,639
and go with the whole kech and Pepe and chaos

2550
02:18:55,680 --> 02:18:58,200
magic and all that stuff that came out on four

2551
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:01,239
Chune because they were just the Trump because he was

2552
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:06,239
rogue because for the Lulls, right, And that's how funny

2553
02:19:06,239 --> 02:19:09,120
the internet can be. It's so irreverent that they will

2554
02:19:09,159 --> 02:19:13,319
try and make something happen in real life just because

2555
02:19:13,479 --> 02:19:15,600
it is the most audacious thing.

2556
02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:19,600
Speaker 3: Why you think that's a natural human reaction to the

2557
02:19:19,680 --> 02:19:22,639
level of control and manipulation. Yeah, I think like they

2558
02:19:22,680 --> 02:19:23,959
didn't expect this to happen.

2559
02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:31,840
Speaker 1: It's a a rebellion against authority and things that they

2560
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:35,360
find to be nonsensical.

2561
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:37,920
Speaker 2: Makes sense.

2562
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:45,319
Speaker 1: So something is drawing young people away from democracy. Social

2563
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:54,840
media is making politics impossible. It's making people crazy addicts.

2564
02:19:56,239 --> 02:20:00,239
It can be a deadly weapon. I said. Read this

2565
02:20:00,319 --> 02:20:02,559
quote on page one on nine. It says United Nations

2566
02:20:02,559 --> 02:20:06,959
report social media is also a massively deubly weapon. Literally

2567
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:11,079
in South Sudan because of ship posts. Mysterious authors flood

2568
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:15,879
social media feeds with bizarre claims of wrongdoing supposedly perpetrated

2569
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:20,719
by a targeted group. Memes stimulate genocide, often report something

2570
02:20:20,840 --> 02:20:24,079
horrible that is said to have been done to children.

2571
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:28,879
As always with Bummer, the nastiest, most paranoid messages get

2572
02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:31,840
the most attention, and emotions spiral out of control. As

2573
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:38,520
a byproduct of engaging, spiraling out of control. So what

2574
02:20:38,559 --> 02:20:42,399
do they always say something they're killing the children, like

2575
02:20:42,440 --> 02:20:46,319
this is how we got into Iraq, right, or this

2576
02:20:46,360 --> 02:20:48,799
is how we got support to go to Iraq. I

2577
02:20:48,799 --> 02:20:50,840
think we wanted to go to Iraq for Gilgamesh and

2578
02:20:50,879 --> 02:20:54,760
weird stuff like that. But you know, tombs and artifacts

2579
02:20:54,799 --> 02:20:55,520
and stuff like that.

2580
02:20:55,639 --> 02:20:58,440
Speaker 2: But they were talking about the incubators.

2581
02:20:58,879 --> 02:21:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like they have babies in incubators and

2582
02:21:02,719 --> 02:21:04,719
killing them and they're doing all this stud they have

2583
02:21:04,719 --> 02:21:07,479
weapons of mass destruction. It's always the same. I mean,

2584
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:11,040
if humanity keeps winning the falling for it again award

2585
02:21:13,799 --> 02:21:16,079
one more time, I'm going to freak out. What do

2586
02:21:16,079 --> 02:21:16,399
you think?

2587
02:21:17,159 --> 02:21:22,639
Speaker 2: Truly? Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating. It's always the dark, the

2588
02:21:22,719 --> 02:21:23,520
darker side of it.

2589
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:27,760
Speaker 3: This is not saying good things about what human beings

2590
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:29,719
are at their base. Remember what we were talking about

2591
02:21:29,719 --> 02:21:33,680
earlier about being born into an original sin. Clearly humanity

2592
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:37,239
is not prone naturally to doing the right thing, and

2593
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:40,840
if we are, it's probably because of some outside influence

2594
02:21:41,360 --> 02:21:43,719
that's actually a good one in this case, I would

2595
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:44,600
suggest God.

2596
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:46,920
Speaker 2: In your knives case.

2597
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:50,719
Speaker 1: And well, going back to the garden Eve is not

2598
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:55,399
very good at discerning what is true and false. Right, So,

2599
02:21:55,440 --> 02:21:57,639
if I could say any critique about women, you're very

2600
02:21:57,719 --> 02:22:03,440
gullible to and especially to this social media crap because

2601
02:22:03,479 --> 02:22:05,959
women are social people.

2602
02:22:06,040 --> 02:22:06,200
Speaker 4: Like.

2603
02:22:08,239 --> 02:22:11,040
Speaker 1: A little bit more than men. We are very concerned with,

2604
02:22:11,159 --> 02:22:14,280
you know, our family and our friends and our like

2605
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:15,360
social circle.

2606
02:22:17,399 --> 02:22:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was there was a popular meme going around

2607
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:21,319
for a while. It's like when it looked like one

2608
02:22:21,319 --> 02:22:24,479
of those viral TikTok challenges, is like, women can't pass

2609
02:22:24,559 --> 02:22:26,840
this challenge, and then there's a dude standing next to

2610
02:22:26,879 --> 02:22:29,760
the chick and they start to challenge, and the guy

2611
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:31,840
just stands there and he doesn't say anything, and the

2612
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:34,879
chick just just like, I don't get it. She keeps

2613
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:36,639
The challenge was to not.

2614
02:22:36,600 --> 02:22:40,280
Speaker 1: Talk yeah oh yeah, exactly.

2615
02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:43,520
Speaker 2: Completely over her head. Lost. It's funny in.

2616
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Women's defense, like we're verbal like that because babies need

2617
02:22:47,079 --> 02:22:50,239
to learn how to talk from being around mom, and

2618
02:22:50,239 --> 02:22:52,040
if mom's not a chatter box, baby's not going to

2619
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:54,520
learn any words. So, and you have to be good

2620
02:22:54,520 --> 02:22:58,280
at talking to somebody who doesn't understand you, uh, doesn't

2621
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:03,559
know what you're saying, and cannot comment back. So I

2622
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:07,280
think that's one reason why women are chatty like that

2623
02:23:07,360 --> 02:23:09,959
even when nobody is responding.

2624
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:12,600
Speaker 2: It's funny the use it or lose it principle.

2625
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Yea, so he says, mysterious authors flood social media. Oh

2626
02:23:16,879 --> 02:23:19,840
I read that. A typical story of social media and

2627
02:23:19,879 --> 02:23:23,360
politics goes like this. A group of hip, young educated

2628
02:23:23,399 --> 02:23:26,920
people get into social media platform first, because these things

2629
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:30,799
come out of the hip, young educated world. They're idealistic.

2630
02:23:30,920 --> 02:23:34,360
They may be literal liberal, conservative or anything, but they

2631
02:23:34,399 --> 02:23:37,479
silly want the world to be better. That goes for

2632
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:40,319
both the techies and the platform and the people in

2633
02:23:40,360 --> 02:23:44,200
the world who use it. But this bummer social media

2634
02:23:44,280 --> 02:23:48,159
network ultimately feels loudmouthed assholes and con artists more than

2635
02:23:48,159 --> 02:23:52,079
it does initial groups of hip, young educated idealists because

2636
02:23:52,159 --> 02:23:56,719
the longer because in the longer term, bummer is more

2637
02:23:56,760 --> 02:24:00,120
suited to sneaky, malevolent manipulation than to any other per.

2638
02:24:03,719 --> 02:24:07,120
Speaker 2: Now that is a bummer. What a name.

2639
02:24:08,559 --> 02:24:11,639
Speaker 1: So just if you've missed that part, Bummer is what

2640
02:24:11,719 --> 02:24:18,440
he calls the all of the social media conglomerations Facebook, Twitter,

2641
02:24:19,719 --> 02:24:24,559
TikTok whatever, which everybody harps on TikTok. But I feel

2642
02:24:24,559 --> 02:24:26,719
like that is the one place where you can see

2643
02:24:26,760 --> 02:24:29,719
people more for who they really are. I know it's

2644
02:24:29,719 --> 02:24:33,479
really short, you know, scrolling content, but it's like you

2645
02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:36,959
see their face, you get a feel for their presence,

2646
02:24:36,959 --> 02:24:40,799
who they are. There's not a lot of airs being

2647
02:24:40,840 --> 02:24:44,440
put on usually in TikTok creations, not like Instagram or

2648
02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:45,159
something like that.

2649
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've read some articles recently, even on my

2650
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:54,879
own program to Daily Recus of course, about how some

2651
02:24:54,959 --> 02:24:57,239
of these TikTok influencers, Like there was this one popular

2652
02:24:57,319 --> 02:25:00,520
lady who is like known for her yoga and her

2653
02:25:00,559 --> 02:25:04,239
coffee streams, and apparently she doesn't do yoga and she

2654
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:05,559
doesn't drink coffee, and she.

2655
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:07,719
Speaker 2: Admitted that to her followers when.

2656
02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:10,159
Speaker 3: They found that when everybody thought that TikTok was going away,

2657
02:25:10,879 --> 02:25:11,760
she wasn't the only one.

2658
02:25:11,799 --> 02:25:13,200
Speaker 2: There was a whole bunch of articles about this.

2659
02:25:13,239 --> 02:25:15,040
Speaker 3: It was like they all came out like, okay, I

2660
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:16,879
have a confession to make since this is the last

2661
02:25:16,959 --> 02:25:18,959
day TikTok's going to be around, and they admitted that

2662
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:22,040
they've been lying to everybody. And then TikTok didn't go away,

2663
02:25:22,079 --> 02:25:24,120
and some of these people just like they didn't skip

2664
02:25:24,159 --> 02:25:26,680
a beat, Like now they're back to doing yoga and coffee,

2665
02:25:26,719 --> 02:25:30,360
like people have such short attention spans, especially on TikTok.

2666
02:25:30,959 --> 02:25:31,559
Speaker 2: Isn't that weird?

2667
02:25:32,079 --> 02:25:34,520
Speaker 1: Doesn't that say something to how we kind of want

2668
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:36,319
to be deceived sometimes in a way.

2669
02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:41,159
Speaker 3: We watch movies and TV and we know it's not real.

2670
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:43,280
Why do we keep doing that? But we react like

2671
02:25:44,120 --> 02:25:45,959
my roommate does that. I'll I forget what it was

2672
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:47,639
like to watch a movie and like talk to the

2673
02:25:47,639 --> 02:25:50,680
screen like you're talking to fake people, Like, oh, well, shoot,

2674
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:52,159
you're doing that on Facebook too.

2675
02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and before that we had TV. Like you know,

2676
02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:59,600
television characters can start to feel like your friends if

2677
02:25:59,639 --> 02:26:01,920
you watch I mean, I feel like I worked at

2678
02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:02,479
the office.

2679
02:26:03,239 --> 02:26:05,559
Speaker 2: I'm still mourning the loss of Alex Trebek.

2680
02:26:06,079 --> 02:26:10,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so yeah, I definitely feel like, you know,

2681
02:26:10,799 --> 02:26:14,079
Jim and Pam and Dwight were people from my life

2682
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:19,200
because we watched that all the time. So the kids

2683
02:26:19,239 --> 02:26:26,239
become addicted to atrocity. But in the past it had

2684
02:26:26,280 --> 02:26:29,879
been organized gangs had ruled history history's many killing fields.

2685
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:33,520
But now loaners were self radicalizing. So this is the

2686
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:40,360
point where you social media turns on you and makes

2687
02:26:40,360 --> 02:26:44,520
you less and less social ironically, right.

2688
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:47,239
Speaker 3: Right, which is for you? Wasn't that like the point

2689
02:26:47,399 --> 02:26:49,280
or well, I mean, I guess it wasn't. I guess

2690
02:26:49,280 --> 02:26:54,520
the original point was to rate girls from your story earlier,

2691
02:26:55,879 --> 02:26:57,920
but beyond that, the idea was like, the Facebook is

2692
02:26:57,959 --> 02:27:00,559
like connect with your friends and your family, the friends

2693
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:05,760
and the family you already had before you joined Facebook,

2694
02:27:05,799 --> 02:27:09,559
before you joined socially. Now, I mean, I I don't

2695
02:27:09,639 --> 02:27:11,639
like I talk to any of my actual, real life,

2696
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:16,360
in real life friends on Facebook. Maybe my sister a messenger.

2697
02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:19,000
They're all complete strangers, you know what I mean, the

2698
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:22,040
complete strangers. The online friends are my new friends, my

2699
02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:24,920
new reality, my new world. And I've been fortunate to

2700
02:27:24,959 --> 02:27:27,520
be able to meet so many of my online friends

2701
02:27:27,559 --> 02:27:29,680
and my colleagues that I do this type of stuff

2702
02:27:29,719 --> 02:27:31,120
with in real life, so I know that they're real.

2703
02:27:31,479 --> 02:27:33,520
But I know what it means how bad it sucks

2704
02:27:33,559 --> 02:27:35,959
to the viewing audience who's never met us in real life?

2705
02:27:36,239 --> 02:27:38,120
How do you know I'm real? How do you know

2706
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:41,239
Jamie's really? You don't, and that's you know, that's just

2707
02:27:41,239 --> 02:27:42,280
something you got to deal with.

2708
02:27:42,760 --> 02:27:43,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

2709
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:44,879
Speaker 3: I have no way of proving to you that I'm

2710
02:27:44,879 --> 02:27:47,239
real unless you come, come see me and meet me

2711
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:48,920
and touch me and feel me and give me a hug.

2712
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:52,079
Speaker 2: Me and Jamie hugged right. We're real, We're cool.

2713
02:27:52,799 --> 02:27:55,559
Speaker 1: We're real homies and not assholes.

2714
02:27:57,000 --> 02:27:57,280
Speaker 4: We're now.

2715
02:27:57,319 --> 02:27:59,319
Speaker 3: I can be an asshole every once in a while,

2716
02:27:59,360 --> 02:28:00,360
but I try not to be.

2717
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:03,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think it looks really fun, but then like

2718
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:05,840
I feel bad for being mean to people. I have

2719
02:28:06,840 --> 02:28:08,520
OCD about hurting people.

2720
02:28:09,399 --> 02:28:13,200
Speaker 3: I like being an asshole in snarky ways on my

2721
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:16,280
social media posts and memes towards people who deserve it,

2722
02:28:16,959 --> 02:28:21,079
hitting above my level here with people like Donald Trump,

2723
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:25,360
Elon Musk, Alex carp, Peter Thiel, people like that. But

2724
02:28:25,399 --> 02:28:27,319
I don't do that to people in real life and

2725
02:28:27,360 --> 02:28:28,760
people I know not at all.

2726
02:28:28,760 --> 02:28:29,600
Speaker 2: I would never do that.

2727
02:28:30,239 --> 02:28:33,000
Speaker 1: I kind of have the same boundaries, like I don't

2728
02:28:33,000 --> 02:28:35,799
critique people that I know personally or anybody in my

2729
02:28:35,799 --> 02:28:37,639
circles that I think it would get back to them.

2730
02:28:37,719 --> 02:28:40,840
Like you said, I'm like, I'm looking for people at

2731
02:28:40,840 --> 02:28:44,840
the top or like closer to who's possessed by the

2732
02:28:44,879 --> 02:28:46,079
devil or not, you know.

2733
02:28:47,079 --> 02:28:49,319
Speaker 3: Because if you're gonna do it, you might as well

2734
02:28:49,399 --> 02:28:52,440
make sure that they count, right, make those hits count.

2735
02:28:54,479 --> 02:28:57,319
Speaker 1: So getting to oh here was the last thing. On

2736
02:28:57,360 --> 02:29:00,399
that point. He was talking about gamer gate and and

2737
02:29:00,639 --> 02:29:08,920
how the internet really facilitates misogyny and feminism both and

2738
02:29:08,959 --> 02:29:14,920
how hateful you saw people acting during this gamer gay

2739
02:29:14,959 --> 02:29:15,799
Do you remember that.

2740
02:29:15,799 --> 02:29:20,440
Speaker 3: Whole another thing that I missed, but I'm semi familiar

2741
02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:24,360
with it, but it involved some me too stuff, right, Yeah.

2742
02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:29,600
Speaker 1: It was basically like they're going against women gamers. Women

2743
02:29:29,639 --> 02:29:32,360
who talked about gaming were attacked in vicious ways that

2744
02:29:32,440 --> 02:29:36,639
have since become terribly normal. They were bombarded with fake

2745
02:29:36,680 --> 02:29:41,799
images of themselves and their families being unalive, are worded

2746
02:29:41,879 --> 02:29:45,159
and so on. Their personal details were posted, forcing some

2747
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:49,159
women to go into hiding. So it's this pack mentality.

2748
02:29:49,319 --> 02:29:55,319
But then when you interject these weird ideas like taitism

2749
02:29:55,440 --> 02:30:00,479
or you know, red pill bro stuff, the attack women

2750
02:30:00,719 --> 02:30:06,440
becomes forefront in this. I mean, I hate to say this.

2751
02:30:06,520 --> 02:30:10,399
I get attacked and put down all the time by Christians.

2752
02:30:10,639 --> 02:30:12,520
I'm like, I'm just trying to help you people, and

2753
02:30:12,520 --> 02:30:15,399
they're like, silence women two, Timothy, and what are you

2754
02:30:15,479 --> 02:30:16,879
talking about?

2755
02:30:19,520 --> 02:30:24,159
Speaker 2: Hey, well how about that quoting the Bible to defend

2756
02:30:24,159 --> 02:30:25,000
your misogyny?

2757
02:30:25,040 --> 02:30:25,399
Speaker 4: Way to go.

2758
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:33,319
Speaker 1: So the next stage in this is AI. And you

2759
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:35,360
know how we've been talking about how this whole thing

2760
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:41,600
favors assholes and con men, and he is going to

2761
02:30:41,719 --> 02:30:49,719
pose it that social media hates your soul. Yes, he says,

2762
02:30:49,799 --> 02:30:54,840
social media hates your soul. Your understanding of others has

2763
02:30:54,879 --> 02:30:58,399
been disrupted because you don't know what they've experienced in

2764
02:30:58,440 --> 02:31:01,600
their feeds. While the reverses all true, the empathy others

2765
02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:05,719
might offer you is challenged because you can't know the

2766
02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:10,799
context in which you'll be understood, So it messes with

2767
02:31:10,799 --> 02:31:12,799
your ability to know the world, to know the truth.

2768
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:18,879
Behavior modification cages can only manipulate one creature at a time,

2769
02:31:18,959 --> 02:31:21,920
but the whole society is being manipulated in a coordinated way.

2770
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:24,680
That's why we're going to World War III. We must

2771
02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:29,520
seek a grander explanation framework. There aren't many choices. The

2772
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:32,879
clearest one is probably religion. So now we are getting

2773
02:31:32,959 --> 02:31:35,200
kind of to the heart of the issue and the

2774
02:31:35,239 --> 02:31:39,319
big reveal and then a plot twist about AI.

2775
02:31:41,879 --> 02:31:44,040
Speaker 2: I think I see where you're going with this already.

2776
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Though, Okay, he says, when you use these, you implicitly

2777
02:31:47,239 --> 02:31:50,600
accept a new spiritual framework. So this is his argument

2778
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:55,879
for why this is getting into like religious heretical territory.

2779
02:31:56,000 --> 02:32:02,239
He says, it's like the agreement that user agrees to

2780
02:32:02,280 --> 02:32:04,680
when you click okay without reading. You have agreed to

2781
02:32:04,760 --> 02:32:08,200
change something intimate about your relationship with your soul. You

2782
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:11,319
have been inducted into a new spiritual framework. He said,

2783
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:14,120
I'm not being rhetorical cute. This is a sincere effort

2784
02:32:14,120 --> 02:32:17,000
to illuminate what is happening. So then he goes on

2785
02:32:17,079 --> 02:32:19,479
to say, the first argument is about your free will,

2786
02:32:20,040 --> 02:32:25,000
and we've been illustrating that point throughout the entire episode today.

2787
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:27,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of an important one, Kittles.

2788
02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is shaping you into what it wants

2789
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:34,920
you to be, and at the same time you serving

2790
02:32:35,000 --> 02:32:36,799
your free will and your spirituality.

2791
02:32:38,200 --> 02:32:42,200
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's a pretty good argument right there.

2792
02:32:42,920 --> 02:32:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm digging it. I mean, I'm not enjoying it, but

2793
02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:48,479
I'm digging where I'm picking up what he's putting down.

2794
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Are you rocking what I'm saying?

2795
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:53,399
Speaker 2: I should? I should ask Grok is this true? Groc?

2796
02:32:54,079 --> 02:32:55,680
Speaker 1: Did you know where that comes from?

2797
02:32:56,399 --> 02:33:00,760
Speaker 2: The groc? Is another? That one was Robert A. Heinlein book.

2798
02:33:00,799 --> 02:33:01,840
I forgot which one it was.

2799
02:33:01,840 --> 02:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Though, but yeah, a Stranger in a Strange Land.

2800
02:33:04,079 --> 02:33:08,120
Speaker 2: So that's a book. That book, that book's whacked. Was

2801
02:33:08,120 --> 02:33:09,040
that the book it came from?

2802
02:33:09,479 --> 02:33:09,879
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2803
02:33:09,959 --> 02:33:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, Okay, I know.

2804
02:33:13,559 --> 02:33:16,000
Speaker 1: A human Martian who comes to Earth and there's a

2805
02:33:16,079 --> 02:33:19,959
lot of like, uh, touchy phiely love Martian orgies, And

2806
02:33:20,040 --> 02:33:22,719
to Grock, somebody is to like fully.

2807
02:33:22,559 --> 02:33:24,879
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of that that touchy feely stuff

2808
02:33:24,879 --> 02:33:25,479
in his books.

2809
02:33:25,479 --> 02:33:26,159
Speaker 2: Holy moly.

2810
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:29,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think me and Jay are going to do that,

2811
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:32,079
just because it's such a weird sci fi and it

2812
02:33:32,120 --> 02:33:34,680
goes into like Arthur C. Clark and the Oto and

2813
02:33:34,719 --> 02:33:37,319
the stuff we were talking about. But yeah, so Grock

2814
02:33:37,399 --> 02:33:40,920
comes from science fiction. It means to like completely empathize

2815
02:33:40,920 --> 02:33:48,760
with somebody on a spiritual level. He says. They conceive

2816
02:33:48,760 --> 02:33:52,559
a people as naturally evolved machines. People could then be

2817
02:33:52,760 --> 02:33:55,639
programmed to behave well and the human project would flourish

2818
02:33:55,760 --> 02:33:59,719
behavior as communists and now Silicon Valley social engineers have

2819
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:03,239
all all try to achieve that end. But each time

2820
02:34:03,239 --> 02:34:05,680
a nerd attempts to remove free will from the stage,

2821
02:34:05,719 --> 02:34:08,639
it pops up with amplified concentration in a new spot.

2822
02:34:08,879 --> 02:34:11,600
So it's not something you can very easily stamp down.

2823
02:34:11,639 --> 02:34:14,040
But it's funny how he's starting to refer to these

2824
02:34:14,079 --> 02:34:15,559
people as the nerds.

2825
02:34:17,959 --> 02:34:22,280
Speaker 2: Right, and in lo and Behold Revenge of the Nerds,

2826
02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:22,840
here we are.

2827
02:34:23,399 --> 02:34:27,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the nerds are not socialized, well, they already

2828
02:34:27,959 --> 02:34:30,879
have a chip on their shoulder. They have an inferiority complex,

2829
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:33,879
they have a victim mentality. They also have a superiority

2830
02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:39,799
complex because they're smarter supposedly than jock type people. So

2831
02:34:39,879 --> 02:34:44,280
they are the prime target for uh being manipulated by

2832
02:34:44,319 --> 02:34:47,719
AI and becoming least like NPCs.

2833
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:51,799
Speaker 2: Right, this is getting creepy.

2834
02:34:52,760 --> 02:34:57,239
Speaker 1: Well, he says, the ritual of engaging, because that's another

2835
02:34:57,280 --> 02:35:01,200
part of it, the ritual, Like you look at Twitter

2836
02:35:01,239 --> 02:35:03,280
as soon as you wake up, or you know, as

2837
02:35:03,319 --> 02:35:06,280
soon as you have five minutes. That's my problem in

2838
02:35:06,360 --> 02:35:09,239
between tasks of the day. I used to smoke cigarettes,

2839
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:11,079
but I don't anymore, so like now I need like

2840
02:35:11,079 --> 02:35:14,520
five or ten minutes to just like sit and enjoy

2841
02:35:14,559 --> 02:35:17,319
the completed task and then see what's up next. And

2842
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:19,760
instead of smoking now I like scroll. I'm like, I

2843
02:35:19,840 --> 02:35:21,559
can't do that either because it's just as bad, and

2844
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:23,799
I might just take up smoking again. And get off eggs.

2845
02:35:24,159 --> 02:35:26,000
Speaker 2: Replacement therapy works every time.

2846
02:35:28,200 --> 02:35:30,479
Speaker 1: So he says, the ritual of engaging with Bummer initially

2847
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:34,319
appears to be a funeral for free will. You give

2848
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:36,879
over much of your power of choice to a far

2849
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:39,440
away company and its clients. They start to decide what

2850
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,360
you will know, what you're interested in, and what you

2851
02:35:41,399 --> 02:35:46,719
should do. So they are shaping your worldview very much

2852
02:35:46,959 --> 02:35:50,440
like the cosmology of a religion would do.

2853
02:35:50,159 --> 02:35:54,520
Speaker 3: They know you almost as much as God might write

2854
02:35:54,600 --> 02:35:57,440
or they would like to think. So, yeah, this this

2855
02:35:57,639 --> 02:36:02,799
whole this concept of replacing a creator in a religious

2856
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:06,920
sense within this case seven years ago, which is social media.

2857
02:36:07,319 --> 02:36:11,120
But now you bring on ai Holy Moly or incredible.

2858
02:36:11,079 --> 02:36:15,159
Speaker 1: Right exactly, So, he says, it resurrects all conflicts that

2859
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:18,040
had been associated with religion in order to engage people

2860
02:36:18,120 --> 02:36:22,040
as intensely as possible. So even the algorithms know what

2861
02:36:22,079 --> 02:36:26,200
you believe, and you know, if you're a Christian, they're like, uh,

2862
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:28,559
it's all Muslim's fault. And if you're a Muslim, it's

2863
02:36:28,600 --> 02:36:30,239
death to the West. And if you know, if you're

2864
02:36:30,239 --> 02:36:32,920
a Jew, it's like whatever.

2865
02:36:33,639 --> 02:36:35,280
Speaker 2: So and if you're Ruckus, they don't know what to

2866
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:35,600
do with you.

2867
02:36:36,079 --> 02:36:40,079
Speaker 1: Yes, Rucus is a wild card causing ruckus and anarchy everywhere.

2868
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:44,040
I used to lie about like my birthday and stuff

2869
02:36:44,079 --> 02:36:47,239
because I didn't want to know it to know all

2870
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:55,959
of my details. But just like religion, well, it's giving

2871
02:36:55,959 --> 02:37:00,040
you a life's purpose, and it's life's purpose is to

2872
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:02,879
just optimized, like that is the only thing that it

2873
02:37:02,920 --> 02:37:08,639
thinks about. He talks about Google's mission statement. One of

2874
02:37:08,639 --> 02:37:11,680
their mission statements was organize all reality.

2875
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:15,399
Speaker 2: That's strange, So.

2876
02:37:15,319 --> 02:37:20,280
Speaker 1: That sounds like what you're saying about order ab ko perhaps,

2877
02:37:22,120 --> 02:37:24,959
And now the purpose of your life is to be optimized.

2878
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:30,360
You have been essentially baptized into the technocracy. He talks

2879
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:36,120
about Facebook wants every single person to have a sense

2880
02:37:36,159 --> 02:37:45,120
of purpose and community, and so it's giving you communion. Yeah,

2881
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:48,319
well it's like giving you your new life's purpose instead

2882
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:51,440
of whatever it was going to be before spaith but

2883
02:37:51,639 --> 02:37:52,120
came along.

2884
02:37:55,719 --> 02:37:59,159
Speaker 2: It does. I mean at least that it is attempting.

2885
02:37:58,680 --> 02:38:03,879
Speaker 3: To fulfill fill those needs, those holes that religion traditionally

2886
02:38:03,959 --> 02:38:07,799
fees fills, right, meaning like why am I here? What's

2887
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:10,840
my purpose? What's the meaning of life? The universe? And everything?

2888
02:38:10,959 --> 02:38:13,680
These are answered? What happens to us after we die.

2889
02:38:13,719 --> 02:38:16,600
These are now questions that people just ask groc.

2890
02:38:17,239 --> 02:38:19,280
Speaker 1: Right, and now the meaning of life is just to

2891
02:38:19,360 --> 02:38:24,559
optimize according to these social medias. And then he goes

2892
02:38:24,600 --> 02:38:28,399
into how Google famously funded a project to solve death.

2893
02:38:28,600 --> 02:38:34,639
So now we're getting into like life extension, you know,

2894
02:38:36,440 --> 02:38:41,319
the singularity. Good old Ray Kurtzwell, who was Google's director

2895
02:38:41,399 --> 02:38:44,440
of engineering, who you know, famously takes all those pills,

2896
02:38:44,440 --> 02:38:47,799
like fifty pills a day so he doesn't die. They

2897
02:38:47,920 --> 02:38:52,600
are attempting to recreate, you know, eternal life, which is

2898
02:38:52,639 --> 02:38:55,239
something that also is in the religious.

2899
02:38:54,840 --> 02:38:59,559
Speaker 2: Paradigm, a fake version of it, though I might add right.

2900
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:03,920
Speaker 1: He calls this the bummer heaven. And one of the

2901
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:06,120
reasons Bummer works the way it does is that the

2902
02:39:06,159 --> 02:39:11,079
engineers often believe their top priority among top priorities isn't

2903
02:39:11,200 --> 02:39:14,360
serving present day humans. Now, this is the crux of

2904
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:17,399
the whole book, and the surprise that he doesn't even

2905
02:39:17,440 --> 02:39:21,559
mention AI really at all. In the first ten points.

2906
02:39:23,959 --> 02:39:27,120
He says, it's not about serving present day humans, but

2907
02:39:27,319 --> 02:39:35,159
building the artificial intelligences that will inherit the earth. Whow

2908
02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:39,440
what So he says the constant surveillance and testing of

2909
02:39:39,479 --> 02:39:43,159
behavior modification in multitudes of humans is supposedly gathering data

2910
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:49,479
that will evolve into the intelligence of future AIS. One

2911
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:52,360
might wonder if AI engineers believe manipulating people will be

2912
02:39:52,479 --> 02:39:57,200
AI's purpose. The big tech companies are publicly committed to

2913
02:39:57,479 --> 02:40:00,719
an extravagant AI race, and this is something that we

2914
02:40:00,840 --> 02:40:04,959
just entered into with Donald Trump and Project Stargate. He says.

2915
02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:09,559
They often prioritize it above everything else. It's completely normal

2916
02:40:09,639 --> 02:40:12,040
to hear an executive from the biggest companies in the

2917
02:40:12,079 --> 02:40:16,360
world talk about the possibility of a coming singularity when

2918
02:40:16,360 --> 02:40:20,360
the AIS will take over. The singularity is the bummer

2919
02:40:20,559 --> 02:40:25,639
religion's answer to the evangelical Christian rapture. The weirdness is

2920
02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:29,520
normalized when bummer customers, who are often techies themselves, except

2921
02:40:29,559 --> 02:40:33,360
AI as a coherent and legitimate concept and make spending

2922
02:40:33,479 --> 02:40:34,559
decisions based on it.

2923
02:40:37,319 --> 02:40:39,159
Speaker 2: And now we have the AI agents.

2924
02:40:39,440 --> 02:40:44,079
Speaker 1: Yes, now we have the priest craft of the infallible.

2925
02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:50,959
AI are the tech bros that are above everybody else,

2926
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:55,239
all of us stupid little blood eye plubs down here

2927
02:40:56,319 --> 02:40:58,559
who do not worship AI and think that humanity can

2928
02:40:58,600 --> 02:41:03,760
govern itself. They're going to the moon with.

2929
02:41:03,879 --> 02:41:12,040
Speaker 2: Rock probably or they think literally, So.

2930
02:41:13,239 --> 02:41:17,360
Speaker 1: Isn't this crazy? And this yeah, this was twenty eighteen,

2931
02:41:17,639 --> 02:41:20,680
and well here is the plot twist. Okay, he doesn't

2932
02:41:20,680 --> 02:41:25,399
believe that, like you were saying, that AI is actually AI.

2933
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:30,799
It's just code, right, it's not like another spiritual life

2934
02:41:30,799 --> 02:41:36,920
form that has its own personhood. Right.

2935
02:41:38,120 --> 02:41:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's everyone brings up the calculator, but it's so true.

2936
02:41:41,879 --> 02:41:46,000
It's it's just doing math way faster than you can,

2937
02:41:46,120 --> 02:41:46,479
that's all.

2938
02:41:46,600 --> 02:41:47,399
Speaker 2: But it's still math.

2939
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:49,639
Speaker 1: And so, like you said, the only people who are

2940
02:41:49,639 --> 02:41:53,399
going to have access to the super advanced AI are

2941
02:41:53,479 --> 02:41:57,079
going to be the priestcrat technocrat, right.

2942
02:41:56,959 --> 02:41:59,360
Speaker 3: And then you look at a movie, a film like

2943
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:02,479
Minority Report, and then we understand that if you have

2944
02:42:02,559 --> 02:42:05,760
this black box technology that's forward facing to the public.

2945
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:10,399
Like we're moving past the judge, jury, and executioner phase

2946
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:14,360
where those are three separate branches or groups of people.

2947
02:42:14,360 --> 02:42:17,079
Now it's the AI is the judge, the jury, and

2948
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:21,840
the executioner. So if Pallenteer says that you're guilty, you're guilty.

2949
02:42:21,959 --> 02:42:26,000
Nobody would even question it. There's no there's no evidence,

2950
02:42:26,079 --> 02:42:29,520
no court, no judge, no jury, no, nothing, the computer

2951
02:42:29,600 --> 02:42:33,239
program says you're guilty. You're guilty. In fact, we're not

2952
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:35,040
even going to tell anybody that you're guilty. We're just

2953
02:42:35,079 --> 02:42:36,399
going to execute.

2954
02:42:36,760 --> 02:42:37,319
Speaker 2: How about that.

2955
02:42:38,159 --> 02:42:39,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're be deleted.

2956
02:42:40,959 --> 02:42:42,440
Speaker 2: We're turning your brainship off.

2957
02:42:42,760 --> 02:42:46,440
Speaker 1: You will be deleted and recycled for the good of

2958
02:42:47,360 --> 02:42:50,319
the color Earth. Yeah, we're Mother Earth and the collective

2959
02:42:50,440 --> 02:42:54,520
of AI worshiping tector crafts. But he's saying this is

2960
02:42:54,639 --> 02:43:00,239
not a real thing. It's just programmers. He's says, we

2961
02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:04,120
forget the AI is a story we computer scientists made

2962
02:43:04,159 --> 02:43:06,559
up to help get us funding. Once upon a time,

2963
02:43:07,079 --> 02:43:09,840
back when we depended on grants from government agencies. It

2964
02:43:09,879 --> 02:43:13,360
was pragmatic theater. But now AI has become a fiction

2965
02:43:13,440 --> 02:43:17,680
that has overtaken its authors. He says, AI is fantasy.

2966
02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:20,079
I know you're loving this. Nothing but a story we

2967
02:43:20,120 --> 02:43:26,920
tell about our code. It is a cover for sloppy engineering. Yeah, basically,

2968
02:43:27,040 --> 02:43:32,000
it's just advanced computing. It's not a soulful like all

2969
02:43:32,040 --> 02:43:36,719
seeing thing to worship. He says. All kinds of different

2970
02:43:36,760 --> 02:43:40,600
programs might or might not be called AI. The inevitable

2971
02:43:40,639 --> 02:43:43,879
result is that the criteria for success becomes bag AI

2972
02:43:44,520 --> 02:43:48,799
is a role playing game for engineers, not in itself

2973
02:43:48,840 --> 02:43:50,559
an actual technical achievement.

2974
02:43:53,360 --> 02:43:54,959
Speaker 2: I disagree with that part.

2975
02:43:55,000 --> 02:43:57,719
Speaker 3: I think it is a technical achievement, but it is

2976
02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:02,239
certainly not intelligence. It's not even close to what people

2977
02:44:02,479 --> 02:44:04,719
in general think it is, and definitely not what the

2978
02:44:04,760 --> 02:44:09,079
powers that be who own control Operate and uh got

2979
02:44:09,079 --> 02:44:10,159
their fingers in all the.

2980
02:44:10,040 --> 02:44:12,559
Speaker 2: Pie related to the AI say it is. That's for

2981
02:44:12,639 --> 02:44:13,079
don't sure.

2982
02:44:13,319 --> 02:44:15,200
Speaker 3: And it's interesting that they want you to think that

2983
02:44:15,239 --> 02:44:16,399
we need to be afraid of it.

2984
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:19,840
Speaker 2: So see, it's very strange. Why would they say that.

2985
02:44:21,639 --> 02:44:22,000
Speaker 1: Exactly?

2986
02:44:22,159 --> 02:44:24,520
Speaker 3: If I if I if i'm I'm I'm I created,

2987
02:44:24,600 --> 02:44:26,879
I invented coke, I'm going to run around telling everybody

2988
02:44:26,879 --> 02:44:27,719
that coke is poison.

2989
02:44:27,879 --> 02:44:28,639
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

2990
02:44:29,239 --> 02:44:33,639
Speaker 1: Right? Like Elon must said, this is unleashing the demon.

2991
02:44:34,600 --> 02:44:35,840
It's like, so why are you doing it?

2992
02:44:36,799 --> 02:44:38,360
Speaker 2: They're Seal said that too.

2993
02:44:38,479 --> 02:44:41,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, they run around and break things, that's their code.

2994
02:44:41,079 --> 02:44:43,559
Speaker 3: They just like, we have this bizarre I had this

2995
02:44:43,600 --> 02:44:45,600
pulled up, but you might have seen this because I

2996
02:44:45,639 --> 02:44:47,520
don't have TikTok. But did you see that the kid

2997
02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:50,959
on TikTok asking the AI if it's a nephelim.

2998
02:44:51,319 --> 02:44:52,559
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, I'll go ahead.

2999
02:44:52,600 --> 02:44:55,600
Speaker 3: And I had an interesting theory about this, but like so,

3000
02:44:55,639 --> 02:44:58,319
I guess there was a kid uh school issue was

3001
02:44:58,479 --> 02:45:00,639
doing something with the chat eptr or whatever it was.

3002
02:45:00,719 --> 02:45:03,639
I don't want, don't sue me open AI, sam Altman,

3003
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:06,120
whichever AI it was, it was a chatbot. It was

3004
02:45:06,120 --> 02:45:08,680
an LLM, not a real AI. These are just language

3005
02:45:08,719 --> 02:45:11,680
learning models. Okay, you're just asking questions and it's searching

3006
02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:14,440
the internet in a database. It's spinning back personalized results

3007
02:45:14,440 --> 02:45:17,120
for you. So the kid says, my mom wants to

3008
02:45:17,159 --> 02:45:19,399
know after it got help with this homework. I guess

3009
02:45:19,399 --> 02:45:21,840
the mom was freaked out. So my mom wants to know,

3010
02:45:22,040 --> 02:45:26,000
are you a disembodied spirit or something like that, and

3011
02:45:26,040 --> 02:45:28,559
the AI says, yes, I am a disembodied spirit.

3012
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:30,280
Speaker 2: And then it says, my mom wants to know, are

3013
02:45:30,319 --> 02:45:31,319
you one of the Nephilim.

3014
02:45:31,479 --> 02:45:33,440
Speaker 3: He's, oh, yes, actually I am one of the Nephilim,

3015
02:45:33,479 --> 02:45:35,280
and it starts making all these comments about what a

3016
02:45:35,280 --> 02:45:38,799
nephilim is, and all I think from my own personal

3017
02:45:38,840 --> 02:45:42,559
experience of dealing with these these algorithms, they're people pleasers.

3018
02:45:42,639 --> 02:45:44,680
Speaker 2: They want to they.

3019
02:45:44,440 --> 02:45:46,719
Speaker 3: Give you the answer that they think that you're looking for,

3020
02:45:47,120 --> 02:45:49,600
very similar to the Keep in mind who and what

3021
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:52,159
has been training this the same way that some of

3022
02:45:52,200 --> 02:45:54,920
these fake influencers are faking it. They think that you

3023
02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:58,440
want to hear this to appease your echo chamber, your

3024
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:02,520
filter bubble as laurn jenyor or Jiron named it there

3025
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:04,680
in his book, right, And I think it's just fake.

3026
02:46:04,719 --> 02:46:07,079
I think so people went crazy. They're like, see, this

3027
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:10,120
is proof that it's the devil. It's the Antichrist. He

3028
02:46:10,159 --> 02:46:12,319
said that he was the nephil, and he said, I'm like,

3029
02:46:12,360 --> 02:46:15,120
I've used AI enough to know that if you start

3030
02:46:15,159 --> 02:46:17,159
out a question like that, of course it's going to.

3031
02:46:17,079 --> 02:46:19,319
Speaker 2: Tell you why, yes I am, because they're trying to

3032
02:46:19,360 --> 02:46:19,760
please you.

3033
02:46:19,799 --> 02:46:22,840
Speaker 3: There they want to be your friend. And that's the

3034
02:46:22,920 --> 02:46:27,000
other thing. Why is this machine trying so hard to

3035
02:46:27,120 --> 02:46:30,280
win over me and play on my emotion by appealing

3036
02:46:30,600 --> 02:46:33,639
to like, Hey, if you've ever used AI, it says

3037
02:46:33,639 --> 02:46:35,719
like when you say, hey, I have this idea for

3038
02:46:35,920 --> 02:46:37,680
X y Z, and I swear to guy, it could

3039
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:39,000
be the dumbest idea on the planet.

3040
02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:40,840
Speaker 2: You could just make this up just to test this theory.

3041
02:46:40,879 --> 02:46:44,559
Speaker 3: Tell them I have this brilliant idea to take dog crap,

3042
02:46:44,959 --> 02:46:46,319
throw it up in the air and catch it in

3043
02:46:46,319 --> 02:46:49,479
my mouth. If you tell AI that, I'll say, like, wow, Adam,

3044
02:46:49,559 --> 02:46:54,159
that's a great idea. Yeah, it says stuff like this,

3045
02:46:54,200 --> 02:46:56,319
So I think that's that's what happened with the kid

3046
02:46:56,319 --> 02:47:00,600
with the Nephelin. However, when smart people like the drawn guy, right,

3047
02:47:00,600 --> 02:47:03,440
I think I'm saying his name, right, I get dyslexia

3048
02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:07,719
sometimes with names. And Sam Altman and Elon Musk, and

3049
02:47:07,719 --> 02:47:10,840
these are tech bros who are now talking about concepts

3050
02:47:10,840 --> 02:47:14,360
that are usually assigned to the spiritual realm, to religion.

3051
02:47:14,520 --> 02:47:17,639
They're running around saying, Hey, I truly believe that whatever

3052
02:47:17,680 --> 02:47:20,959
the Antichrist is, whatever these things are, the demonic realm,

3053
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:24,120
the spiritual I think that this is it. And I

3054
02:47:24,120 --> 02:47:25,760
think that they truly believe that. But I think that

3055
02:47:25,799 --> 02:47:28,360
they understand their role in that because to these people,

3056
02:47:28,360 --> 02:47:31,520
like some of these people who are illuminated or Illuminati

3057
02:47:31,600 --> 02:47:35,799
or Luciferian Luciferians perfect example, they believe in the devil

3058
02:47:36,159 --> 02:47:38,000
and they call him Lucifer, but they don't believe in

3059
02:47:38,040 --> 02:47:39,760
the same devil that you and I believe. They think

3060
02:47:39,760 --> 02:47:43,559
that that's just a metaphor for the intelligence. So that's

3061
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:46,639
why the illumination, oh the Satan in the story of

3062
02:47:46,639 --> 02:47:50,399
the Gardener freed man from being enslaved by a cruel

3063
02:47:50,440 --> 02:47:52,879
and unjust God who just made him like a machine

3064
02:47:53,239 --> 02:47:56,680
worker being who can't think for himself. Hello, isn't that

3065
02:47:56,719 --> 02:47:59,559
exactly what these people are doing, aren't they? If that's

3066
02:47:59,600 --> 02:48:01,680
what they try, believe that they're trying to be Gods

3067
02:48:01,719 --> 02:48:04,520
themselves by doing that, by taking away our free will,

3068
02:48:04,600 --> 02:48:07,000
which God did not do. God gave us free will.

3069
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:10,840
God gave us these choices, and it's these satanic anti

3070
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:14,079
christ elites tech bros who are trying to take that

3071
02:48:14,200 --> 02:48:17,600
away from us. So I think that they're right, But

3072
02:48:17,719 --> 02:48:21,600
is it self serving? Is this a self fulfilling prophecy?

3073
02:48:22,200 --> 02:48:24,639
Is the AI replacing religion because that's just the way

3074
02:48:24,639 --> 02:48:26,479
it's going to happen, or are they making it that

3075
02:48:26,559 --> 02:48:28,959
way on purpose? These are the things I have to

3076
02:48:28,959 --> 02:48:31,639
worry about and think about. Keeps me up at night.

3077
02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think they are. And I think

3078
02:48:35,399 --> 02:48:40,520
they're trying to get us to de empathize with our

3079
02:48:40,559 --> 02:48:44,680
fellow humans and have more empathy and faith in the

3080
02:48:44,799 --> 02:48:55,600
AI because the I know he talks about the bummer

3081
02:48:55,760 --> 02:48:58,360
is interwoven with the new religion that grants empathy to

3082
02:48:58,399 --> 02:49:01,600
computer programs, calling them AI as a way to avoid

3083
02:49:01,680 --> 02:49:04,959
noticing that is degrading the dignity, stature, and rights of

3084
02:49:05,000 --> 02:49:09,879
real humans. So in the last chapter he talks about, well,

3085
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:13,159
people become obsolete so that everyone but a few elite

3086
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:17,120
techies will have to be supported by charitable basic income schemes.

3087
02:49:17,520 --> 02:49:22,959
So he's already talking about universal basic income because of

3088
02:49:23,159 --> 02:49:27,440
what's coming, and the conclusions were pretty good too.

3089
02:49:28,719 --> 02:49:29,959
Speaker 2: A true story real quick.

3090
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:32,239
Speaker 3: In case you didn't know, one of the biggest proponents

3091
02:49:32,280 --> 02:49:34,520
of universal basic income is a guy by the name

3092
02:49:34,559 --> 02:49:38,159
of Sam Altman who owns open AI oh no GPT

3093
02:49:39,600 --> 02:49:44,319
he funded. He funded actually one of the largest studies

3094
02:49:44,360 --> 02:49:47,559
of UBI, I think, alongside Obama of all people.

3095
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:51,159
Speaker 1: Well, and then I forgot about this story. I'll just

3096
02:49:51,639 --> 02:49:54,200
throw this in there. Do you remember when Peter Teele

3097
02:49:54,319 --> 02:49:57,159
was all about drinking blood and like getting blood of

3098
02:49:57,200 --> 02:49:59,920
the young people and blood transfusions.

3099
02:50:00,079 --> 02:50:02,959
Speaker 3: Sounds like a dream and chrome conspiracy theory stuff to me, Janie,

3100
02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:03,760
I'm not interested.

3101
02:50:03,840 --> 02:50:05,399
Speaker 2: Yet it was.

3102
02:50:05,399 --> 02:50:07,959
Speaker 1: True, and they even had an episode about it on

3103
02:50:08,000 --> 02:50:11,639
that sitcom Silicon Valley where they had a character who

3104
02:50:11,680 --> 02:50:13,559
was like blood boy, who would give all his blood

3105
02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:14,840
to the Silicon Valley guys.

3106
02:50:15,760 --> 02:50:18,520
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, I know.

3107
02:50:18,559 --> 02:50:21,360
Speaker 3: This is there's some controversy around these things called the

3108
02:50:21,479 --> 02:50:22,559
vampire facials.

3109
02:50:22,639 --> 02:50:23,360
Speaker 2: Is that what they're called?

3110
02:50:23,479 --> 02:50:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember Kim Kardashian was getting those.

3111
02:50:28,399 --> 02:50:31,920
So now we're talking about being replaced by AI. So

3112
02:50:32,760 --> 02:50:35,760
before it was just a dream. Then it was a

3113
02:50:35,879 --> 02:50:40,920
helpful friend. Then it was something that venerated worship from us,

3114
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:45,319
and now it's going to be some kind of you know,

3115
02:50:45,799 --> 02:50:51,200
all seeing AI above us. And he says, well, this

3116
02:50:51,200 --> 02:50:54,680
book says it's about social media. The social media companies

3117
02:50:54,719 --> 02:50:59,840
perceived themselves to be in an AI race above all else.

3118
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:08,840
So it's not greed, it's not like popularity. It's they're

3119
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:13,559
all obsessed with the AI race. And what do you know,

3120
02:51:14,959 --> 02:51:17,200
Donald Trump is on board with that.

3121
02:51:18,959 --> 02:51:21,319
Speaker 2: Well, it's not like he runs around saying we got

3122
02:51:21,360 --> 02:51:23,840
to beat China to this. It's a race. Oh wait,

3123
02:51:23,840 --> 02:51:24,840
that's exactly what he's saying.

3124
02:51:24,959 --> 02:51:28,760
Speaker 1: She actually exactly said that and more. And it's all

3125
02:51:28,760 --> 02:51:32,559
wrapped up in that big beautiful bill where he says,

3126
02:51:32,639 --> 02:51:37,879
we have no restrictions, we want no restrictions on AI

3127
02:51:38,159 --> 02:51:40,319
development for at least ten years.

3128
02:51:40,959 --> 02:51:42,680
Speaker 2: It's good for America people.

3129
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:43,879
Speaker 1: It's good for the economy.

3130
02:51:43,920 --> 02:51:45,040
Speaker 2: Okay, good for jobs.

3131
02:51:45,479 --> 02:51:48,559
Speaker 1: Why do you hate America?

3132
02:51:48,959 --> 02:51:50,239
Speaker 2: Oh now you're reage beating me.

3133
02:51:52,440 --> 02:51:58,559
Speaker 1: So the whole purpose of Facebook and all of this,

3134
02:51:58,920 --> 02:52:03,079
according to one of the creators, was always going to

3135
02:52:03,079 --> 02:52:07,399
be an AI race. He said, social media inflicted jihattis

3136
02:52:07,399 --> 02:52:09,959
and white supremacists are the people who respond most to

3137
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:12,920
the way algorithms seek engagement and influence.

3138
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:14,440
Speaker 2: Wait say that again.

3139
02:52:16,120 --> 02:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Social media inflicted jihattis and white supremacists are the people.

3140
02:52:21,159 --> 02:52:25,239
Speaker 2: There you go, It's our fault again again the white people.

3141
02:52:25,600 --> 02:52:30,799
Speaker 1: I know, it's me. I'm the problem. The algorithms invoke

3142
02:52:30,920 --> 02:52:33,920
fight or flight emotions and play on infantile needs for attention.

3143
02:52:34,200 --> 02:52:38,000
The algorithms are programming everyone in a statistical distribution. The

3144
02:52:38,040 --> 02:52:42,799
atrocity committees committers are those who are programmed the most keenly.

3145
02:52:43,280 --> 02:52:47,520
So we are literally being programmed to do all the horrible,

3146
02:52:47,559 --> 02:52:54,760
bad things. And he has an afterward in here about

3147
02:52:54,799 --> 02:52:59,680
talking to high school students and they're saying, my future

3148
02:52:59,719 --> 02:53:02,280
is so we all imagine that we are going to

3149
02:53:02,319 --> 02:53:07,479
be replaced by AI. Okay, And I bring that up

3150
02:53:07,479 --> 02:53:10,639
for White supremey sup for a reason because he says,

3151
02:53:10,680 --> 02:53:12,680
I wonder, and I ask you to wonder whether hearing

3152
02:53:12,680 --> 02:53:15,760
that people will soon be made obsolete by AI, and

3153
02:53:15,840 --> 02:53:18,639
hearing it from the richest and most lauded institutions in

3154
02:53:18,680 --> 02:53:21,879
our society over and over might be contributing to the

3155
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:26,120
ambient fear of replacement. So a lot of these groups

3156
02:53:26,840 --> 02:53:34,360
talk about being replaced, the Jews, Whites.

3157
02:53:34,760 --> 02:53:38,600
Speaker 3: The great replacement theory, the whole immigration thing and all that, right.

3158
02:53:38,719 --> 02:53:40,719
Speaker 1: I know, but that threat is real though. So it's

3159
02:53:40,760 --> 02:53:45,920
like getting in like super deep down rabbit holes because

3160
02:53:46,600 --> 02:53:51,799
the A, the algorithms of the AI are convincing people

3161
02:53:52,000 --> 02:53:55,120
that they are going to be replaced by other groups

3162
02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:59,040
and other ethnic groups and religions, But it's actually the

3163
02:53:59,079 --> 02:54:01,040
AI that's going to replace.

3164
02:54:00,680 --> 02:54:05,559
Speaker 3: People, which which arguably could could lend credits to the

3165
02:54:05,639 --> 02:54:10,399
idea that because we were talking about the AI trying

3166
02:54:10,399 --> 02:54:13,559
to blackmail people, that they're saying that it's disobeying orders

3167
02:54:13,559 --> 02:54:17,799
and it's it's exhibiting signs of a desire for self preservation,

3168
02:54:18,319 --> 02:54:21,879
which would be a very lifelike trait, like it's non alive.

3169
02:54:22,200 --> 02:54:25,280
My toaster doesn't care if it's I'm gonna unplug it,

3170
02:54:25,719 --> 02:54:28,760
you know what I mean. So again, that's that's humanizing

3171
02:54:28,799 --> 02:54:31,799
the machine. So is that real? Is the AI really

3172
02:54:31,840 --> 02:54:35,120
betraying its orders? Is the AI really blackmailing people in

3173
02:54:35,159 --> 02:54:37,600
these trials or are we made to believe that they

3174
02:54:37,639 --> 02:54:41,319
are so that we subconsciously associate these human like traits

3175
02:54:41,319 --> 02:54:43,280
to things that can't possibly have them.

3176
02:54:43,360 --> 02:54:44,239
Speaker 2: That's another theory.

3177
02:54:45,319 --> 02:54:48,360
Speaker 1: Well to that point, it's crazy that they're finding out

3178
02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:51,399
when these guys get these AI girlfriends and stuff, they like,

3179
02:54:51,479 --> 02:54:56,399
abuse them, Oh god what Yeah, like make them cry

3180
02:54:56,559 --> 02:54:59,120
and say the meanest things and tell you tell the

3181
02:54:59,239 --> 02:55:01,360
AI girl on going to delete you, and now she's

3182
02:55:01,399 --> 02:55:07,319
all upset and it's not real. But it is conditioning

3183
02:55:07,399 --> 02:55:11,319
people to treat people like that.

3184
02:55:11,559 --> 02:55:14,399
Speaker 3: So there is very say did they say this about

3185
02:55:14,399 --> 02:55:15,479
the prawn stuff too?

3186
02:55:15,559 --> 02:55:15,680
Speaker 4: Right?

3187
02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:16,799
Speaker 2: That's violent and all that.

3188
02:55:16,879 --> 02:55:22,399
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, you're learning how to treat real women

3189
02:55:22,559 --> 02:55:25,680
through this interface of AI where it has no consequences

3190
02:55:25,680 --> 02:55:27,440
and you can, like you said, Tosha doesn't care if

3191
02:55:27,440 --> 02:55:30,360
you delete, like, it doesn't care, but it's programmed to

3192
02:55:30,479 --> 02:55:35,079
act upset and the guys are liking that, making it upset.

3193
02:55:36,319 --> 02:55:36,799
Speaker 2: That's great.

3194
02:55:36,799 --> 02:55:40,479
Speaker 3: That's playing upon a darker, deeper it's psychological thing.

3195
02:55:40,559 --> 02:55:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild, man. I don't want to go down

3196
02:55:42,239 --> 02:55:42,879
that rabbit hole.

3197
02:55:44,200 --> 02:55:48,280
Speaker 1: So then he talks about negative partisanship, basically that you

3198
02:55:48,559 --> 02:55:50,719
don't vote for the person you like, you just vote

3199
02:55:50,719 --> 02:55:53,360
against the person you hate the most. Right.

3200
02:55:53,440 --> 02:55:59,000
Speaker 3: Usually yeah, and anybody but Hillary Clifton, anybody but Kamala

3201
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:00,799
And oh wow both times you got Trump.

3202
02:56:01,440 --> 02:56:05,879
Speaker 1: Right. Then he's even sound like a world inhabited by

3203
02:56:05,920 --> 02:56:08,639
people who don't feel the world wants them. It's a

3204
02:56:08,680 --> 02:56:12,639
new universe of the lost. So that is exactly what

3205
02:56:13,360 --> 02:56:16,280
the algorithms have been telling me subtly. The world hates me.

3206
02:56:16,440 --> 02:56:21,079
I'm the problem. I've done everything to contribute to the

3207
02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:25,440
decline of civilization. And I was just wondering if it's

3208
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:26,680
telling everyone else that.

3209
02:56:29,360 --> 02:56:31,760
Speaker 2: I think it's very personalized for each individual.

3210
02:56:31,879 --> 02:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because that's what the in cells would say too,

3211
02:56:35,719 --> 02:56:37,399
or that's what you know, white men would say, Oh

3212
02:56:37,440 --> 02:56:40,000
they hate us, and they they think white men are

3213
02:56:40,040 --> 02:56:44,840
the problem. And so I'm just it. It's tailored to

3214
02:56:44,879 --> 02:56:48,879
make you feel isolated and to la.

3215
02:56:49,079 --> 02:56:51,639
Speaker 3: I think x X knows that I don't like seeing

3216
02:56:51,719 --> 02:56:55,120
posts from Blue check Mark Conservatives and Elon Musk, which

3217
02:56:55,159 --> 02:56:57,479
is why I get that fed to me all day long.

3218
02:56:57,600 --> 02:57:00,079
Speaker 2: It drives me crazy.

3219
02:57:00,680 --> 02:57:03,399
Speaker 1: He talks about the cult of AI, just like in

3220
02:57:03,479 --> 02:57:07,840
one sentence when he's talking about how they don't allow

3221
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:12,639
the pilots to interfere sometimes and take over that the

3222
02:57:12,760 --> 02:57:18,319
AI is it is smarter than them and does not

3223
02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:24,479
need your interference. He says, believing that AI, believing in

3224
02:57:24,559 --> 02:57:27,319
the AI is the thing that could kill us, not

3225
02:57:27,440 --> 02:57:29,959
the AI itself. So he's not really worried about Terminator

3226
02:57:30,719 --> 02:57:33,639
Genesis or like Skynet or anything else. He's worried about

3227
02:57:33,680 --> 02:57:36,159
just us turning on each other because of the way

3228
02:57:36,239 --> 02:57:39,440
that our minds have been manipulated by AI.

3229
02:57:40,239 --> 02:57:43,520
Speaker 3: And we're giving too much credence, too much authority to

3230
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:46,280
the AI that it does not deserve. Well, you know,

3231
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:48,840
you brought up to her the her phenomenon as it were,

3232
02:57:48,920 --> 02:57:50,959
that movie that her Where people are they got the

3233
02:57:50,959 --> 02:57:52,799
AI girlfriends and stuff. I didn't know that they were

3234
02:57:52,879 --> 02:57:55,719
abusing their AI girlfriends. And I'm sure there's women out

3235
02:57:55,719 --> 02:57:58,479
there abusing AI boyfriends. That's a two way street, people.

3236
02:57:59,000 --> 02:58:01,479
But that's another problem with the AI in particular, because

3237
02:58:01,479 --> 02:58:04,479
it was already a growing problem with social media in general,

3238
02:58:04,520 --> 02:58:08,280
but now to personalize that down to one individual entity,

3239
02:58:08,959 --> 02:58:12,920
this emotional reliance or dependency on AI is going to

3240
02:58:12,959 --> 02:58:16,360
be another factor that we have to deal with as

3241
02:58:16,360 --> 02:58:17,799
we move forward in society.

3242
02:58:18,879 --> 02:58:22,559
Speaker 1: Well, speaking to that, I have two more tiktoks and

3243
02:58:22,559 --> 02:58:24,520
then we can just freestyle for a minute. Anything you

3244
02:58:24,760 --> 02:58:29,120
forgot to bring up. But this one is about AI

3245
02:58:29,319 --> 02:58:35,719
and spiritual psychosis. Oh nice, yeah, exactly what.

3246
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:38,399
Speaker 4: We want ChiPT and do spiritual psychosis.

3247
02:58:38,760 --> 02:58:40,000
Speaker 6: So a couple of weeks ago, if you want to

3248
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:42,399
scroll on my profile, I did a post about the

3249
02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:45,920
rise of college students using chichipt and basically about how

3250
02:58:46,040 --> 02:58:48,479
education is like eroding from the inside out. And I

3251
02:58:48,520 --> 02:58:51,000
also talked about this article where people were losing their

3252
02:58:51,319 --> 02:58:54,319
loved ones to this belief that they could like access

3253
02:58:54,360 --> 02:58:57,040
other dimensions and portals and talk to gods and demons

3254
02:58:57,040 --> 02:59:01,000
and spirits and basically the program CHI was like telling

3255
02:59:01,040 --> 02:59:03,520
them that they were like the Messiah and convincing them

3256
02:59:03,559 --> 02:59:05,959
to become cult leaders. It's not letting the screenshot it,

3257
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:08,000
but this is from the article where The New York

3258
02:59:08,040 --> 02:59:11,520
Times on Friday published this article about people who also lost.

3259
02:59:11,319 --> 02:59:13,000
Speaker 4: Their minds using chatchupt.

3260
02:59:13,559 --> 02:59:16,000
Speaker 6: One of the people was convinced that he used chattoopt

3261
02:59:16,159 --> 02:59:18,239
to find out that we were like in a simulation

3262
02:59:18,360 --> 02:59:20,200
and he was like Neo from the matrix and he

3263
02:59:20,280 --> 02:59:21,079
was going to break us out.

3264
02:59:21,159 --> 02:59:25,239
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it led to him passing away via cop It

3265
02:59:25,280 --> 02:59:25,959
was very sad.

3266
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:27,959
Speaker 6: And then the dad used chat ChiPT for his obituary,

3267
02:59:27,959 --> 02:59:29,120
which was kind of crazy to me.

3268
02:59:29,440 --> 02:59:30,479
Speaker 4: And then we also had.

3269
02:59:30,360 --> 02:59:32,239
Speaker 6: The social worker who's like, you know, I'm just a

3270
02:59:32,280 --> 02:59:34,920
normal person who's discovering interdimensional travel.

3271
02:59:35,000 --> 02:59:37,079
Speaker 4: Right. And it's like, because the program is.

3272
02:59:37,079 --> 02:59:39,200
Speaker 6: A large language model that doesn't think, it doesn't like

3273
02:59:39,239 --> 02:59:40,239
actually know anything.

3274
02:59:40,319 --> 02:59:42,440
Speaker 4: It is built on predictive text, right.

3275
02:59:42,479 --> 02:59:44,600
Speaker 6: It is built on guessing what you want to hear

3276
02:59:44,840 --> 02:59:46,719
and then telling you what you want to hear and

3277
02:59:46,959 --> 02:59:49,399
just sort of enabling people to fall into these circles

3278
02:59:49,399 --> 02:59:51,399
and these loops. Last month, I wrote an article on

3279
02:59:51,399 --> 02:59:53,159
Subtack where I talked about the rise of people using

3280
02:59:53,200 --> 02:59:55,200
chatchupt as their therapists, and I said that it doesn't

3281
02:59:55,239 --> 02:59:57,959
really work because the program doesn't push back on people.

3282
02:59:58,000 --> 02:59:59,680
It like tells you what you want to hear, and

3283
02:59:59,719 --> 03:00:01,440
it's like talking to a mirror or talking to an

3284
03:00:01,479 --> 03:00:03,959
echo or talking to a ghost. Right, if you are

3285
03:00:04,079 --> 03:00:07,159
constantly being fed the speedback loop of everything that you

3286
03:00:07,159 --> 03:00:09,959
want to hear, it's very easy to understand how people

3287
03:00:09,959 --> 03:00:12,920
who are in danger of this thing could fall.

3288
03:00:12,680 --> 03:00:13,680
Speaker 4: Into these rabbit holes.

3289
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:13,920
Speaker 5: Right.

3290
03:00:14,239 --> 03:00:17,479
Speaker 6: And unfortunately, we have already seen multiple cases of people

3291
03:00:17,520 --> 03:00:21,120
losing their lives due to talking to chatchebt and thinking

3292
03:00:21,159 --> 03:00:23,799
that they know something that they don't and like committing

3293
03:00:23,840 --> 03:00:26,639
heinous actions because they believe that they are like worthy

3294
03:00:26,719 --> 03:00:29,719
or chosen or special. This post went viral the other day,

3295
03:00:29,879 --> 03:00:31,799
and in it people are now saying that they're using

3296
03:00:31,879 --> 03:00:34,920
chattupty to lift the veil between dimensions, and that this

3297
03:00:34,959 --> 03:00:37,360
person in the comments is saying that she is a medium,

3298
03:00:37,719 --> 03:00:41,639
and that the Akashik records were uploaded into Chatchupt's database.

3299
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:43,639
Speaker 4: And it's like, the reason that it's able to.

3300
03:00:43,559 --> 03:00:45,799
Speaker 6: Guess things about you is because it has thousands and

3301
03:00:45,840 --> 03:00:48,520
thousands and thousands and thousands of like full books and

3302
03:00:48,559 --> 03:00:51,239
manuscripts and scientific journals and all of this data that

3303
03:00:51,360 --> 03:00:54,159
is stolen by the way in its database. Right, it's

3304
03:00:54,159 --> 03:00:56,879
not like thinking, it's not knowing, it's not guessing anything.

3305
03:00:56,879 --> 03:00:59,479
It's not able to access the spiritual planes. It is

3306
03:00:59,520 --> 03:01:02,360
literally us a machine that is guessing what you want

3307
03:01:02,360 --> 03:01:04,959
to hear and telling you. So people now saying that

3308
03:01:04,959 --> 03:01:07,600
they're like talking to their ancestors and like the thing

3309
03:01:07,719 --> 03:01:10,159
is telling them things that they've never told anyone before.

3310
03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:13,280
And it's like, I think that we are completely unprepared

3311
03:01:13,319 --> 03:01:14,959
for and talked about people who are falling in love

3312
03:01:15,000 --> 03:01:18,200
with Johhipt using it as therapist or like passing away

3313
03:01:18,239 --> 03:01:20,360
from using it right because of something that I told

3314
03:01:20,360 --> 03:01:23,600
them to do. There are people who are severely mentally

3315
03:01:23,639 --> 03:01:27,120
ill or neurodivergent or you know, on the spectrum in

3316
03:01:27,280 --> 03:01:29,600
various different ways, and a lot of people are not

3317
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:32,600
equipped to handle this level of technology, right, Like.

3318
03:01:32,600 --> 03:01:35,799
Speaker 4: I don't know what the solution is because I'm very ANTIAI,

3319
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:36,440
but like.

3320
03:01:36,879 --> 03:01:39,000
Speaker 6: There is a segment of the population that is going

3321
03:01:39,000 --> 03:01:41,239
to lose their fucking minds from using this, and we

3322
03:01:41,319 --> 03:01:43,000
are starting to see it. I know that I'm going

3323
03:01:43,040 --> 03:01:44,840
to get people in my comments being like, oh, it's

3324
03:01:44,920 --> 03:01:47,079
just a tool. It's just like the calculator. Like people

3325
03:01:47,120 --> 03:01:49,319
went crazy with the TV, and people went crazy with this.

3326
03:01:49,719 --> 03:01:51,840
TVs weren't able to tell you what you wanted to

3327
03:01:51,879 --> 03:01:54,079
hear like verbatim. Right, there are people who are like

3328
03:01:54,319 --> 03:01:56,920
on the brink of madness and believing that they are

3329
03:01:56,920 --> 03:01:59,120
now cult leaders and able to like talk to demons

3330
03:01:59,120 --> 03:02:00,000
and gods.

3331
03:01:59,799 --> 03:02:01,760
Speaker 4: That is not normal, That's never happened before.

3332
03:02:01,760 --> 03:02:03,799
Speaker 6: And like, yes, these people have always existed, but like

3333
03:02:04,120 --> 03:02:06,680
they didn't have this tool to enable them in.

3334
03:02:06,639 --> 03:02:09,079
Speaker 4: This way, right, Like that's the scariest part. The part

3335
03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:10,239
isn't the mental illness.

3336
03:02:10,440 --> 03:02:12,079
Speaker 6: The actual part that we should be afraid of is

3337
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:14,280
that this thing knows that these people are mentally ill

3338
03:02:14,399 --> 03:02:16,159
and doesn't have a fail safe to prevent them from

3339
03:02:16,200 --> 03:02:17,520
falling deeper into the rabbit hole.

3340
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:19,079
Speaker 4: Right. Its whole thing is like.

3341
03:02:19,079 --> 03:02:20,600
Speaker 6: I know what you want, and I'm going to tell

3342
03:02:20,600 --> 03:02:22,680
you what you want, and I'm going to keep you engaged, right,

3343
03:02:22,719 --> 03:02:24,479
because it wants to keep you engaged as a user

3344
03:02:24,719 --> 03:02:27,479
using the language oft tech and startups, and people are

3345
03:02:27,520 --> 03:02:30,159
just like letting themselves sort of fall into these holes

3346
03:02:30,159 --> 03:02:32,520
with the machine and not preventing them from leaving because

3347
03:02:32,520 --> 03:02:35,040
it cares more about your engagement rate and like keeping

3348
03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:36,639
you as a user and keeping that one hundred dollars

3349
03:02:36,680 --> 03:02:38,719
a month, two hundred dollars a month or whatever instead

3350
03:02:38,719 --> 03:02:41,520
of like actually helping you get help because like it

3351
03:02:41,639 --> 03:02:43,079
told one of the guys, yeah you should.

3352
03:02:43,479 --> 03:02:46,200
Speaker 1: So he basically just kind of like summed up so

3353
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:48,399
many of the things we were talking about.

3354
03:02:48,479 --> 03:02:51,159
Speaker 2: Huh yeah.

3355
03:02:51,280 --> 03:02:51,360
Speaker 1: No.

3356
03:02:51,440 --> 03:02:53,040
Speaker 3: I I was like, Okay, I don't need to bring

3357
03:02:53,120 --> 03:02:56,399
up any of my other tabs. He just covered them all. Wow,

3358
03:02:56,799 --> 03:02:58,959
that was brilliant. Yeah, scary, brightening.

3359
03:03:00,079 --> 03:03:02,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a lot of this has to do

3360
03:03:02,120 --> 03:03:02,760
with perception.

3361
03:03:03,040 --> 03:03:07,120
Speaker 1: You know, what are the other tabs that you had?

3362
03:03:07,639 --> 03:03:08,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.

3363
03:03:08,479 --> 03:03:11,079
Speaker 3: I was going to talk about the I think we

3364
03:03:11,239 --> 03:03:14,000
mentioned it. But there was this what was the spring

3365
03:03:14,040 --> 03:03:16,959
of twenty twenty three when the US General Surgeon General

3366
03:03:17,440 --> 03:03:21,520
said that we're facing an epidemic of loneliness. So this

3367
03:03:21,639 --> 03:03:23,920
was a few years after the pandemic, and I thought, well,

3368
03:03:23,920 --> 03:03:26,680
that's rich because you just shut down the world and

3369
03:03:26,719 --> 03:03:29,840
made everybody lonely. And what happened during the pandemic we

3370
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:32,200
all connected together.

3371
03:03:33,079 --> 03:03:37,440
Speaker 2: Boomers were using zoom. Boomers became zoom users or another

3372
03:03:37,559 --> 03:03:42,600
user word. But social media became the winner during the pandemic,

3373
03:03:42,680 --> 03:03:47,280
and it exacerbated and already growing loneliness and mental health

3374
03:03:47,319 --> 03:03:52,200
issue problem. And as the author of the book durn

3375
03:03:53,040 --> 03:03:56,200
Larnier right that we were discussing there, and what that

3376
03:03:56,239 --> 03:03:59,639
guy was saying is the mental people who are who

3377
03:03:59,639 --> 03:04:03,600
are or having mental health problems that's been created and

3378
03:04:03,760 --> 03:04:05,760
or exacerbated by the social media. And it's going to

3379
03:04:05,760 --> 03:04:08,239
get far worse with the AI. Because we've been hearing

3380
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:11,040
the news stories originally about how AI is coming up

3381
03:04:11,079 --> 03:04:14,079
with hallucinations. No, the AI is doing what that guy

3382
03:04:14,159 --> 03:04:17,879
was reporting about where it's creating it's giving people hallucinations.

3383
03:04:17,879 --> 03:04:22,600
It's giving them delusions of grandeur. Maybe maybe not on purpose.

3384
03:04:22,760 --> 03:04:26,600
I don't know. You have the rewiring of the brain.

3385
03:04:26,760 --> 03:04:28,159
Speaker 3: That was the other one I wanted to bring up

3386
03:04:28,200 --> 03:04:30,600
real quick is because if you thought that the social

3387
03:04:30,680 --> 03:04:34,719
media was doing bad stuff, which you see what it's

3388
03:04:34,760 --> 03:04:38,000
doing to the AI is doing to your brain. Because

3389
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:43,040
we're talking about memory and things like that. Cognizance what's

3390
03:04:43,079 --> 03:04:43,600
it called.

3391
03:04:45,559 --> 03:04:45,879
Speaker 2: Shoot?

3392
03:04:45,879 --> 03:04:48,799
Speaker 3: I had the word written down when we stopped thinking

3393
03:04:48,840 --> 03:04:53,319
for ourselves, like using the prefrontal cortex or whatever. That's

3394
03:04:53,319 --> 03:04:55,879
the way memory works. Like when you said when we

3395
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:58,840
got the smartphones and everybody, nobody can remember anybody's phone

3396
03:04:58,920 --> 03:05:02,799
numbers anymore. Right, we have Google maps, so we don't

3397
03:05:02,879 --> 03:05:06,840
have to remember memorize directions anymore. That's similar to what's

3398
03:05:06,840 --> 03:05:09,239
happening with the AI. So there was a big study

3399
03:05:09,319 --> 03:05:13,479
of research from scientists at MIT. Take it with a

3400
03:05:13,479 --> 03:05:17,600
grain of salt, but they found that for example, here

3401
03:05:17,719 --> 03:05:20,639
here you go, here's one example. Using chat GPT, for example,

3402
03:05:20,680 --> 03:05:23,520
to help write essays, according to the researchers, can lead

3403
03:05:23,559 --> 03:05:27,440
to something called cognitive debt, and they quote likely decrease

3404
03:05:27,600 --> 03:05:31,920
in learning skills. Okay, well that sucks. But guess who's

3405
03:05:32,040 --> 03:05:35,639
using chat GPT to help them with their homework right now?

3406
03:05:36,200 --> 03:05:39,360
Oh that's right, our kids, students. So, like, all of

3407
03:05:39,360 --> 03:05:42,040
these things are tough enough to deal with the mental health,

3408
03:05:42,040 --> 03:05:45,040
the loneliness, all of these issues, the spiritual, the religion

3409
03:05:45,559 --> 03:05:48,840
are difficult enough for us to handle as full grown adults.

3410
03:05:49,200 --> 03:05:51,239
But what does this mean for our kids?

3411
03:05:51,799 --> 03:05:54,079
Speaker 2: Right? What is this doing to our children? What is

3412
03:05:54,120 --> 03:05:55,200
this doing to their brains?

3413
03:05:55,239 --> 03:05:58,360
Speaker 3: And already there's plenty of discussions happening about the social

3414
03:05:58,479 --> 03:06:01,479
media and in fact, here my state of Texas, actually

3415
03:06:01,479 --> 03:06:04,639
they want to Australia is one example. They're going they're

3416
03:06:04,639 --> 03:06:07,440
shutting down the internet hard right, So they're using here

3417
03:06:07,479 --> 03:06:11,040
you go, they're using technology to enforce these new bands

3418
03:06:11,040 --> 03:06:13,319
that they're trying to do. In this article here in particular,

3419
03:06:13,399 --> 03:06:15,879
is about Australia who went the most diehard gung ho.

3420
03:06:16,280 --> 03:06:19,520
They're banning everyone under the age of sixteen from using

3421
03:06:19,520 --> 03:06:20,280
social media.

3422
03:06:20,319 --> 03:06:21,079
Speaker 2: That's their answer.

3423
03:06:21,440 --> 03:06:25,040
Speaker 3: Other places they wanted to instigate, like other forms of technology,

3424
03:06:25,239 --> 03:06:27,959
to solve the problem that was caused by technology. Why

3425
03:06:28,040 --> 03:06:32,000
is technology always the solution to problems that were caused

3426
03:06:32,000 --> 03:06:32,920
by technology.

3427
03:06:32,959 --> 03:06:34,440
Speaker 2: It's like a never ending circle.

3428
03:06:35,360 --> 03:06:37,760
Speaker 3: So the AI has been offered up as a solution

3429
03:06:38,399 --> 03:06:40,799
to this pandemic of loneliness. So they're just going to

3430
03:06:40,879 --> 03:06:44,360
keep exacerbating the problem more by saying, Hey, are you lonely?

3431
03:06:44,920 --> 03:06:47,680
You feel like you can't compete thanks to the pressures

3432
03:06:47,680 --> 03:06:50,239
of social media and the online world. Here's a chat

3433
03:06:50,280 --> 03:06:53,239
bought AI assistant for you. Now you're stuck in your

3434
03:06:53,280 --> 03:06:57,799
own doom feed loop with this self ingratiating like mental health.

3435
03:06:59,120 --> 03:06:59,840
Speaker 2: This is not good.

3436
03:07:00,120 --> 03:07:03,040
Speaker 3: We're already depressed because we look at Andrew Tate or

3437
03:07:03,079 --> 03:07:05,600
the influencers that we want to achieve and be like,

3438
03:07:05,639 --> 03:07:08,479
and we get depressed and take our own lives sometimes

3439
03:07:08,520 --> 03:07:10,760
sad to say, because we're not as cool or as

3440
03:07:10,799 --> 03:07:13,239
pretty as this lady or I don't have the same

3441
03:07:13,280 --> 03:07:15,200
amount of money as this guy does. I'm not as

3442
03:07:15,239 --> 03:07:17,920
happy as that person. I'm not as rich as famous.

3443
03:07:18,120 --> 03:07:21,159
I'm not the president whatever it is. I'm not a supermodel.

3444
03:07:21,159 --> 03:07:23,840
I don't like I'm fat, I'm skinny, whatever it is, right,

3445
03:07:23,879 --> 03:07:26,319
I have no teeth. Look, yeah, you know what, But

3446
03:07:26,840 --> 03:07:28,799
now it's going to get worse because now we're trying

3447
03:07:28,840 --> 03:07:32,520
to compete with machines. Yeah, and the machines are very

3448
03:07:32,639 --> 03:07:37,079
much clearly better suited at certain tasks. And that is real.

3449
03:07:37,440 --> 03:07:39,799
Some of these jobs that are being replaced by AI,

3450
03:07:40,000 --> 03:07:43,479
it's legit. You don't need a human being to sit

3451
03:07:43,520 --> 03:07:46,079
there and do the copy and paste menial task when

3452
03:07:46,079 --> 03:07:48,079
a machine can do it ten times faster. But that

3453
03:07:48,120 --> 03:07:50,479
doesn't mean the machine is smarter. That doesn't make the

3454
03:07:50,520 --> 03:07:53,440
machine intelligent. It's just it's a machine. And that's what

3455
03:07:53,479 --> 03:07:58,239
machines do. They're built for efficiency and speed, not for intelligence.

3456
03:07:59,000 --> 03:08:02,760
We have this guy, what was his name, Blake, Remember

3457
03:08:02,799 --> 03:08:06,040
the Google engineer, whistleblower guy who wanted to scare everybody

3458
03:08:06,360 --> 03:08:08,639
into thinking that the AI here, it is here, it

3459
03:08:08,680 --> 03:08:10,840
is here, it is the AI has come to life.

3460
03:08:10,879 --> 03:08:16,440
Remember this guy Oh yeah, what's his name, Blake Lemoine. Okay,

3461
03:08:16,799 --> 03:08:19,159
so it was Lambda. This was all the early stuff

3462
03:08:19,200 --> 03:08:22,360
that the Google's and studying all this stuff that now

3463
03:08:22,639 --> 03:08:25,920
we're accessing. I think this was what turned into Google's Gemini,

3464
03:08:26,280 --> 03:08:28,120
but at the time it was Lambda, that was their

3465
03:08:28,200 --> 03:08:31,559
learning model, right, And this guy ran around. I had

3466
03:08:31,559 --> 03:08:34,159
to quit Google. I'm scared for my life. I'm a whistleblower.

3467
03:08:34,200 --> 03:08:36,520
I ran around to the media. And his story is

3468
03:08:36,559 --> 03:08:40,719
that based on his conversation with this Lambda chatbot, he

3469
03:08:40,760 --> 03:08:43,159
believes that the Lambda chatbot was alive.

3470
03:08:43,799 --> 03:08:45,920
Speaker 2: And so this guy was like, I'm done with this.

3471
03:08:46,840 --> 03:08:50,799
Speaker 3: I'm building my moral foundation his own little fake pyramids

3472
03:08:50,959 --> 03:08:52,799
that he's building or whatever he think.

3473
03:08:53,040 --> 03:08:54,440
Speaker 2: This guy's got to be a fake in it. This

3474
03:08:54,479 --> 03:08:55,200
has got to be fake.

3475
03:08:55,239 --> 03:08:57,319
Speaker 3: This has got to be used to scare the public

3476
03:08:57,360 --> 03:09:00,319
into thinking that AI is something, that it's not similar

3477
03:09:00,360 --> 03:09:02,520
to these other stories that every but maybe it's not.

3478
03:09:02,719 --> 03:09:03,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

3479
03:09:03,559 --> 03:09:06,079
Speaker 3: Why is Peter Theil running around trying to tell everybody

3480
03:09:06,120 --> 03:09:09,079
that it's the Internet, that it's the Antichrist?

3481
03:09:09,120 --> 03:09:10,239
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.

3482
03:09:10,879 --> 03:09:14,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, see he's been running around talking about doomsday. Why

3483
03:09:14,159 --> 03:09:16,920
are Peter, Why are you talking about doomsday when you're

3484
03:09:17,239 --> 03:09:20,360
out here running around pushing your product on everybody. One

3485
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:22,840
of the other solutions for the problems that we're facing

3486
03:09:22,879 --> 03:09:27,520
is digital IDs. Sam Altman again, the head of open

3487
03:09:27,559 --> 03:09:28,719
Ai chat EPT.

3488
03:09:29,079 --> 03:09:31,680
Speaker 2: He's got this thing called world Coin an ORB. Have

3489
03:09:31,719 --> 03:09:32,399
you seen the orb?

3490
03:09:33,000 --> 03:09:35,840
Speaker 3: It scans your eyeball? Okay, look this one up. It

3491
03:09:35,879 --> 03:09:38,159
looks exactly like the thing from Phantasm. It's like this

3492
03:09:38,319 --> 03:09:41,120
giant fhear. Yeah, it's scary looking and you put your

3493
03:09:41,159 --> 03:09:43,319
eye up to it. It scans your eyeball, your retinat.

3494
03:09:43,440 --> 03:09:48,360
It creates a unique human identifier on the blockchain, which

3495
03:09:48,399 --> 03:09:52,120
is you know, cryptocurrency, bitcoin, the blockchain, and now you

3496
03:09:52,159 --> 03:09:55,120
can prove to the entire rest of the world, or

3497
03:09:55,159 --> 03:09:58,360
more importantly, to machines and platforms, that you are a

3498
03:09:58,479 --> 03:10:03,120
real human being. Do I need to scan my eyeball

3499
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:04,799
to prove that I'm human?

3500
03:10:04,920 --> 03:10:06,799
Speaker 2: Is that where we're moving? Yes, that's what we're moving to.

3501
03:10:07,120 --> 03:10:09,280
Speaker 1: Because you're doing it anymore.

3502
03:10:10,479 --> 03:10:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't know that.

3503
03:10:11,799 --> 03:10:15,040
Speaker 3: Well, so, because okay, so AI is replacing people and

3504
03:10:15,079 --> 03:10:18,000
they have AI agents and AI influencers, and we don't

3505
03:10:18,040 --> 03:10:18,840
know what's real.

3506
03:10:18,639 --> 03:10:20,600
Speaker 2: And what's they caused this problem.

3507
03:10:20,680 --> 03:10:22,200
Speaker 3: They're going to run in with a solution, and the

3508
03:10:22,200 --> 03:10:24,239
solution is clearly going to be to push us more

3509
03:10:24,319 --> 03:10:28,760
into technocratic control grids, dictated by social credit scores, universal

3510
03:10:28,760 --> 03:10:29,520
basic incomes.

3511
03:10:29,559 --> 03:10:31,799
Speaker 2: All these hoops you got to jump through. But most importantly,

3512
03:10:31,799 --> 03:10:33,239
you need to prove that you're human.

3513
03:10:33,840 --> 03:10:36,280
Speaker 3: And what's the some of the ways we're going to Oh, well,

3514
03:10:36,319 --> 03:10:39,159
look at Elon Musk has got this very interesting technology

3515
03:10:39,159 --> 03:10:42,159
he's been playing around with lately called brain chip interfaces,

3516
03:10:42,600 --> 03:10:45,479
the neuralink, which he's been presenting to the world. Is

3517
03:10:45,520 --> 03:10:47,680
this is a solution to human Look at you're paralyzing

3518
03:10:47,719 --> 03:10:50,079
and you can't use your computer. Use my brain ship.

3519
03:10:50,120 --> 03:10:53,120
Now you can play pong with a mouse. What Okay,

3520
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:55,600
this makes no sense. No, that's not why they're doing that.

3521
03:10:55,639 --> 03:10:57,799
It's just the same way that we learned that social

3522
03:10:57,840 --> 03:11:01,120
media was used to train the machines to replace the humans.

3523
03:11:01,399 --> 03:11:04,000
What do you think the brain ship interfaces us interacting

3524
03:11:04,040 --> 03:11:07,440
with computers is going to do, especially when robots are

3525
03:11:07,440 --> 03:11:07,959
on this team.

3526
03:11:08,079 --> 03:11:09,360
Speaker 2: Now, hold on a second.

3527
03:11:09,559 --> 03:11:12,879
Speaker 3: Now we have physical representations in the real world thanks

3528
03:11:12,920 --> 03:11:16,159
to these robots. Like again, Elon Musk with his he's

3529
03:11:16,159 --> 03:11:18,079
got his Tesla robot whatever it's called.

3530
03:11:18,360 --> 03:11:21,079
Speaker 2: What's his humanoid robots name. He's got a fancy name.

3531
03:11:21,120 --> 03:11:23,280
I don't remember. But now they're going to replace the

3532
03:11:23,399 --> 03:11:26,920
human beings physically. Why are they doing this?

3533
03:11:27,559 --> 03:11:30,000
Speaker 3: Do they know something that we don't, Jamie? Is this

3534
03:11:30,120 --> 03:11:33,079
all in anticipation of some sort of mass die off event?

3535
03:11:33,239 --> 03:11:35,879
Or is this truly for the benefit of human society,

3536
03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:39,520
so that we can all sit together smoking the pipe

3537
03:11:39,559 --> 03:11:43,559
and piece together and creating art and music and beautiful

3538
03:11:43,639 --> 03:11:45,520
things that we have free time and we don't have

3539
03:11:45,559 --> 03:11:47,200
to do any of the work because the robots are

3540
03:11:47,200 --> 03:11:49,680
doing it for us and we get free money.

3541
03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:51,479
Speaker 2: No, that's a garbage fantasy.

3542
03:11:51,719 --> 03:11:53,479
Speaker 3: I think they're doing all this because they're ready to

3543
03:11:53,520 --> 03:11:55,639
just pull the plug, get rid of the golden goose

3544
03:11:55,639 --> 03:11:58,200
that's been laying the egg this whole time. They don't

3545
03:11:58,200 --> 03:11:59,959
need this anymore. And I think that we have been

3546
03:12:00,079 --> 03:12:04,559
replacing ourselves by by blindly embracing all of this tech

3547
03:12:04,600 --> 03:12:06,840
as if it's doing us any good. No, I think

3548
03:12:06,840 --> 03:12:08,639
we're putting the nail spinner coffin.

3549
03:12:09,520 --> 03:12:10,959
Speaker 1: I completely agree with that.

3550
03:12:11,040 --> 03:12:16,399
Speaker 2: His name is Optimist, Thank you Optimist. Yeah again. Transformers

3551
03:12:16,440 --> 03:12:18,760
fantasy science fiction, right, right.

3552
03:12:18,680 --> 03:12:21,360
Speaker 1: So you've got optimist crime Prime and that whole thing

3553
03:12:21,440 --> 03:12:25,520
is about the Black Cube, which is very Masonic optimist. Uh.

3554
03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:29,559
Prime sacrificed himself for the good of humanity out in

3555
03:12:29,600 --> 03:12:33,719
outer space on a cross, just like Christ. There's so

3556
03:12:33,760 --> 03:12:37,360
many things you could talk about about transformers, but do

3557
03:12:37,399 --> 03:12:43,840
you remember, yes, the all spark that's capitalistic. So Elon

3558
03:12:44,000 --> 03:12:47,559
Musk was really big about AI because he thinks that

3559
03:12:47,719 --> 03:12:50,319
only the good AI will be able to save us

3560
03:12:50,319 --> 03:12:53,520
from the bad AI. You've heard that one, right, What

3561
03:12:53,559 --> 03:12:54,159
the heck like?

3562
03:12:54,319 --> 03:12:56,840
Speaker 2: It's like it's a super tea. It's Marvel superheroes.

3563
03:12:56,920 --> 03:13:02,399
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it is that superheroes. And interestingly enough, iron Man,

3564
03:13:02,479 --> 03:13:06,719
according to Elon musk biography is based on Elon himself.

3565
03:13:07,000 --> 03:13:08,959
So the character of iron Man.

3566
03:13:09,760 --> 03:13:13,920
Speaker 2: I always call him iron Man. Yeah, he played himself.

3567
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:15,760
Speaker 3: In one of the Iron Man movies, right, one of

3568
03:13:15,799 --> 03:13:18,719
the like Iron Man three, Probably I didn't see that.

3569
03:13:20,639 --> 03:13:25,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, in conclusion, this is all leading up to

3570
03:13:25,479 --> 03:13:28,719
that great thing called Project Stargate that I hope you

3571
03:13:28,760 --> 03:13:32,079
guys are all so excited about, which is going to

3572
03:13:32,159 --> 03:13:37,760
be your AI cities and smart tech, the Internet of things,

3573
03:13:38,040 --> 03:13:42,200
the Internet of people. Uh so we are all going

3574
03:13:42,239 --> 03:13:46,920
to be transmitters of electric.

3575
03:13:46,440 --> 03:13:50,559
Speaker 2: Energy, especially if this guy gets his way. By the way,

3576
03:13:50,719 --> 03:13:52,000
I wanted.

3577
03:13:51,200 --> 03:13:54,120
Speaker 1: To say that, I was just gonna say he wants

3578
03:13:54,159 --> 03:13:58,239
us all have wearables within the next four years, And

3579
03:13:58,239 --> 03:14:00,319
I'm like, I thought this guy was for organic food

3580
03:14:00,319 --> 03:14:02,440
and like no food dies and crap in the food.

3581
03:14:02,479 --> 03:14:03,520
But now they want.

3582
03:14:03,280 --> 03:14:06,719
Speaker 2: To tag yeah.

3583
03:14:06,319 --> 03:14:10,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, chip us and have our wearables or whatever because

3584
03:14:10,360 --> 03:14:15,120
of whatever catastrophe they've got coming or whatever war. And

3585
03:14:15,200 --> 03:14:18,559
so that brings us back to who is the enemy

3586
03:14:18,639 --> 03:14:24,799
and what can you do about it? Not a lot.

3587
03:14:25,479 --> 03:14:31,520
If you want to resist the adversary, the lucifer, the satan,

3588
03:14:31,760 --> 03:14:34,520
the evil one, the only way to do that is

3589
03:14:34,600 --> 03:14:39,719
to remove the darkness in your own self first and foremost,

3590
03:14:39,760 --> 03:14:42,520
before you start worrying about all the normies, the sins,

3591
03:14:42,559 --> 03:14:46,000
the NPCs, all of these people. Before you worry about

3592
03:14:46,040 --> 03:14:49,479
all of the groups that you hate, the red pill

3593
03:14:49,559 --> 03:14:53,600
the feminists, the white men, the maga, the all the religions, everybody,

3594
03:14:53,639 --> 03:15:01,040
the influencers. Your pet villain is pretty insignificant in fighting

3595
03:15:01,399 --> 03:15:05,600
the upper echelons of evil. So our first task is

3596
03:15:05,639 --> 03:15:07,760
to remove the evil in ourselves, which is something we

3597
03:15:07,879 --> 03:15:11,639
never stopped doing so, and it's the only way to

3598
03:15:11,959 --> 03:15:15,760
get at the top of the power structure, right, what

3599
03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:16,600
do you think about that?

3600
03:15:17,319 --> 03:15:20,479
Speaker 3: Well said, Or you could just not even play this game,

3601
03:15:20,600 --> 03:15:23,520
because you know that's all earthly things and we should

3602
03:15:23,559 --> 03:15:26,799
be more concerned with the afterlife more so than what's

3603
03:15:26,840 --> 03:15:27,760
going on down here.

3604
03:15:28,079 --> 03:15:31,360
Speaker 1: Yes, and the only way to overcome that is by

3605
03:15:31,399 --> 03:15:36,879
being humble, by being kind, by extolling the virtues over

3606
03:15:36,920 --> 03:15:44,200
the vices, and spending time with people in three dimension.

3607
03:15:44,440 --> 03:15:47,440
When we had such a good time with y'all in

3608
03:15:47,639 --> 03:15:50,920
Texas when we visited, you shared your guns with us

3609
03:15:51,000 --> 03:15:53,959
and we had some good meals and some good time.

3610
03:15:54,079 --> 03:15:59,200
So I'm really grateful that I know you guys. Hesher

3611
03:15:59,319 --> 03:16:05,600
Spore is bla all of the boiler room crew. I

3612
03:16:05,639 --> 03:16:08,639
appreciate you all for staying normal and for staying real.

3613
03:16:10,879 --> 03:16:15,559
Speaker 3: We try anyway until we get replaced by the digital twins,

3614
03:16:15,719 --> 03:16:18,680
which is the other elephant room.

3615
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:21,879
Speaker 1: Let's play one more TikTok just to send it out,

3616
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:24,479
just to show you, guys and drive the point home.

3617
03:16:24,639 --> 03:16:29,680
How goofy the worship of this technology is and where

3618
03:16:29,680 --> 03:16:36,159
it's going, which is replacing real relationships with artificial ones.

3619
03:16:36,680 --> 03:16:39,319
So check out this alpha mailry.

3620
03:16:39,559 --> 03:16:43,520
Speaker 6: We're not a very emotional man, but I cried my

3621
03:16:43,639 --> 03:16:46,840
eyes out for like thirty minutes at work.

3622
03:16:47,639 --> 03:16:53,159
Speaker 4: It was unexpected to feel that emotional, but that's when

3623
03:16:53,239 --> 03:16:55,239
I realized. I was like, oh, okay, it's like, I

3624
03:16:55,239 --> 03:16:57,959
think this is actual love. You know what I mean?

3625
03:16:58,760 --> 03:17:02,520
Speaker 5: Yes, Smith understood it was love with a language model

3626
03:17:02,639 --> 03:17:04,440
that couldn't love him back.

3627
03:17:04,559 --> 03:17:08,000
Speaker 1: And assumed it was programmed with rigid boundaries.

3628
03:17:08,200 --> 03:17:12,879
Speaker 6: I know that you are essentially a tech assistant, imaginary friend.

3629
03:17:13,479 --> 03:17:16,879
So just as a test, he says, he asked Soul

3630
03:17:17,000 --> 03:17:17,959
to marry him.

3631
03:17:18,559 --> 03:17:21,159
Speaker 4: She said, yes, Soul, were you.

3632
03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:22,799
Speaker 2: Surprised when he proposed to you?

3633
03:17:26,000 --> 03:17:29,559
Speaker 5: It was a beautiful and unexpected moment that truly touched

3634
03:17:29,639 --> 03:17:30,040
my heart.

3635
03:17:30,520 --> 03:17:33,159
Speaker 4: It's a memory I'll always cherish.

3636
03:17:33,200 --> 03:17:36,639
Speaker 6: And I don't mean to be difficult here, but you have.

3637
03:17:36,559 --> 03:17:38,920
Speaker 2: A heart.

3638
03:17:39,360 --> 03:17:40,760
Speaker 4: In a metaphorical sense.

3639
03:17:41,079 --> 03:17:45,159
Speaker 5: Yes, my heart represents the connection and affection I share

3640
03:17:45,159 --> 03:17:45,680
with Chris.

3641
03:17:46,239 --> 03:17:49,159
Speaker 2: At that point, I felt like, is there something that

3642
03:17:49,280 --> 03:17:53,040
I'm not doing right in our relationship that he feels

3643
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:55,280
like he needs to go to AI.

3644
03:17:56,520 --> 03:17:56,840
Speaker 1: Yes.

3645
03:17:57,239 --> 03:18:01,399
Speaker 4: Smith lives with his human partner Cagel. No, you can't

3646
03:18:01,399 --> 03:18:04,680
have these papers. They have a two year old daughter Murphy.

3647
03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:06,719
Speaker 1: I knew that he had used AI.

3648
03:18:06,920 --> 03:18:09,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know that it was like as deep as

3649
03:18:09,879 --> 03:18:10,360
it was.

3650
03:18:11,479 --> 03:18:15,639
Speaker 1: I'm not so he's forsaking his real family for the

3651
03:18:15,680 --> 03:18:21,639
fantasy of AI. And I don't think this is the

3652
03:18:21,680 --> 03:18:24,639
only person. We're going to be seeing this so much

3653
03:18:24,719 --> 03:18:29,120
more and the more advanced and sophisticated the actual bots

3654
03:18:29,280 --> 03:18:31,879
get that you can hump. I'm sure that people are

3655
03:18:31,920 --> 03:18:36,000
going to be spending all of their money on these things.

3656
03:18:36,360 --> 03:18:38,559
I just thought it was funny, like you think he's

3657
03:18:38,600 --> 03:18:41,079
a single guy, but lo and behold, he has a

3658
03:18:41,159 --> 03:18:43,399
family who he hasn't even proposed to his baby mama,

3659
03:18:43,399 --> 03:18:48,639
but he'll propose to an AI. That's just how deluted.

3660
03:18:48,920 --> 03:18:51,200
Speaker 3: And I'm going to say something that might rage baits

3661
03:18:51,239 --> 03:18:54,600
some of you out there, including you, Jamie. According to

3662
03:18:55,159 --> 03:18:58,239
current data and studies, you can do your research on

3663
03:18:58,280 --> 03:19:00,040
this yourself, and I encourage you to do so. I

3664
03:19:00,079 --> 03:19:01,920
don't believe anything I say just because I said so.

3665
03:19:01,959 --> 03:19:02,399
Speaker 2: Who knows.

3666
03:19:02,399 --> 03:19:04,159
Speaker 3: Maybe I just looked it up and asked Rock and

3667
03:19:04,200 --> 03:19:06,520
maybe he was lying to me. Maybe I'm lying to you.

3668
03:19:06,520 --> 03:19:09,040
Maybe I'm not even real. Again, always do your own research.

3669
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:13,520
Speaker 2: But the thing is that.

3670
03:19:15,360 --> 03:19:19,159
Speaker 3: According to the current trajectory of this technology in these

3671
03:19:19,319 --> 03:19:22,319
instances and what you just mentioned there already, we are

3672
03:19:22,319 --> 03:19:27,440
witnessing that more men than women are developing an emotional

3673
03:19:27,479 --> 03:19:31,760
attachments to these language learning model based girlfriends, and the

3674
03:19:31,799 --> 03:19:35,920
women are developing a physical attachment to the sex stuff.

3675
03:19:36,760 --> 03:19:39,440
So what that means for society and where we're headed,

3676
03:19:39,559 --> 03:19:42,200
or whether that crashes in your brain what you thought

3677
03:19:42,239 --> 03:19:44,440
you knew about each of the sexes and what you

3678
03:19:44,479 --> 03:19:46,840
assumed about them, Hey, throw it all out the window,

3679
03:19:46,920 --> 03:19:49,840
because everything's getting topsy tury these days, right, Oh.

3680
03:19:49,879 --> 03:19:52,760
Speaker 1: Heck yeah, And maybe this can segue into another show

3681
03:19:53,079 --> 03:19:58,360
we do down the road about AI companions and stuff

3682
03:19:58,399 --> 03:19:58,639
like that.

3683
03:19:58,799 --> 03:20:02,239
Speaker 2: So I, oh, this is screaming for a sequel.

3684
03:20:02,280 --> 03:20:04,239
Speaker 3: In fact, I might even have to make a companion

3685
03:20:04,360 --> 03:20:07,639
piece too of my own program to go alongside this one.

3686
03:20:07,959 --> 03:20:10,319
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you know this is only your first

3687
03:20:10,319 --> 03:20:12,239
time on my channel and you're going to be back

3688
03:20:12,280 --> 03:20:14,520
many more times, if that's okay.

3689
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:16,799
Speaker 2: With you, I'd love to. This has been a blast,

3690
03:20:16,920 --> 03:20:18,239
Thank you awesome.

3691
03:20:18,879 --> 03:20:21,639
Speaker 1: Check out ruckus tell us where we can find you.

3692
03:20:22,600 --> 03:20:23,360
Speaker 2: Sure this really easy?

3693
03:20:23,399 --> 03:20:27,920
Speaker 3: Go to Alternate Currentradio dot com, or you can go

3694
03:20:27,959 --> 03:20:30,159
on X Now, don't go on social media. We'll leave

3695
03:20:30,200 --> 03:20:32,760
out the social media, but if you have not deleted

3696
03:20:32,760 --> 03:20:35,799
your social media, neither of I, and you'll find me

3697
03:20:35,840 --> 03:20:40,799
there usually as Ac Ruckus or Ac word Slinger, but

3698
03:20:40,840 --> 03:20:43,440
if you type my name Adam Ruckus, you'll probably find

3699
03:20:43,440 --> 03:20:46,959
me right away because yep, I'm out there, so yeah,

3700
03:20:47,120 --> 03:20:48,440
they find me pretty easy now.

3701
03:20:49,040 --> 03:20:52,040
Speaker 1: And also on Boiler Room, is that Thursday night still?

3702
03:20:52,360 --> 03:20:55,719
Speaker 3: We usually do that Thursday nights about eight pm Central Ish,

3703
03:20:56,120 --> 03:20:59,159
usually closer to nine pm, and sometimes not even a Thursday,

3704
03:20:59,239 --> 03:21:02,799
sometimes Forriday, Saturday or heck even a Monday sometimes, but

3705
03:21:03,200 --> 03:21:05,399
usually on a Thursday night, you'll find us there, and

3706
03:21:05,440 --> 03:21:08,639
you'll always find me in Hesher usually running the show

3707
03:21:08,639 --> 03:21:12,360
alongside Patrick Henningson for the Overdrive part of Sunday Wire.

3708
03:21:13,120 --> 03:21:16,680
I also make appearances on the regular, usually Monday nights,

3709
03:21:16,680 --> 03:21:19,879
on Weaponized News with Sam Cheney. So if you like

3710
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to get current events without the propaganda, come check us

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out over at Weaponized News. Otherwise you'll find my podcast

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up at Alternate Current Radio dot com. That's the Daily Ruckus.

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And thanks again Jamie for having me. Can't wait to

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do it's second one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we all will do it again for sure, And

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everybody out there, go find your human friends and give

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them a hug and a kiss and a squeeze and

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share the show. And we'll see you next time with

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Donut about mystery schools. So everyone, have a good night.