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Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome in. It is Thursday. It is

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time for full court press. We hit our parlay yesterday

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A two teamer Rob put ourselves back in the plus.

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I had Ucla. You had the over at NC State.

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I think this is the second time this year, Rob

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where your best player got scratched and the team scored

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like one hundred and twenty points or something like that.

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Speaker 2: You had Texas Tech.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this year where they like didn't start three guys

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and still just effortlessly put up triple digits. So shout

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out to us for that. Wish I added Ucla to

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my client card, kicking myself for that. But it's a

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new day and there's new games to talk about before

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we get into it. As people file in, how'd your night, Gow,

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how's the week going so far for you?

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Speaker 3: Now you know, the college basketball has been terrific client wise,

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Adam nine to two last eleven. It gets sixty seven percent,

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sixteen and eight since the start of the month, so

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it's been good here in December. Interesting that Will Wade

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and I did post this on X his press conference

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after the game last night after they scored one hundred

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and eight, just saying we'll Wade things his team has

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no toughness. He's got two players who actually care. Not

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happy with the overall attitude or let's just say, you know,

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a mild mannered attitude of his team. He wants tougher guys.

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We'll see if this affects them in ACC play at him,

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because when you play ACC, everybody's going to come out

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with a toughness attitude. And if Nancy State doesn't have

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the players to counter that, we're going to see if

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he can develop this team or not. But he was

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none too pleased after last night's win. I was, but

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he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he has a right to be concerned

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about the effort on the defensive end. You know, sometimes

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I wonder if this is like going to be a

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new school tactic here where, you know, because because back

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in the day, you didn't like coaches didn't really come

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out and bury their players, bury their team like it

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was very rare. It was always like I've got to

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do better, you know. But more often than not it

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was coach takes the ownership to flex away from the players.

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And I see, you know, we talked about it yesterday.

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The Mick Cronin just goes out and it's like, we

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have no heart, we're not tough, we suck at basketball.

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Comes out wins by thirteen?

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Speaker 2: Did it? Last year?

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Speaker 1: Got UCLA sort of out of that rut and then

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they started winning games. So you gotta wonder too, like

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a guy like Will Wade, who seems to be like

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pretty much respected across the game, Cronin does too. I'm

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sure listen, you know how it's like some things you hear.

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I with my Long Island, New York City based friends,

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I hear this all the time. It's like they can

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say something and if I tried to say the same thing,

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it would like it wouldn't fly.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's kind of like that in coaching

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a little bit?

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Speaker 3: It could very well be. I like what you were

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saying earlier about these coaches that have no issue with

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throwing players under the bus. Tad Boyle is another one

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at Colorado who has zero problem two three times a

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year ripping his Colorado team. Like you say, we talked

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about Cronin yesterday, seems to be a little bit of

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a thing this instance. You know, I just think it's

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Will Wade being Will Wade. It's who he is. He

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has this desire, adam a burning desire to be on

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top of the coaching world, and so NC State is

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his opportunity here at least. You know, they did make

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a Final four a couple of years ago, so who

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knows you.

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Speaker 2: Could do that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. It's just some coaches. Every

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coach is different, but those three in particular have no problem.

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And here's a comment about Penny from Keith.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, I just wanted to point this out.

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I think it's a great comment.

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Speaker 1: It's a good discussion to get into as we we

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Speaker 2: Plenty of games to talk about today.

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Speaker 1: But you know, yesterday I was talking about Penny upping

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him in my book in terms of coaching because I

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used to not really care for him as a head

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coach from like an ex's and O standpoint, but like

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talked about how respected he is, how he always has

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his team ready to play.

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Speaker 2: And the last night they.

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Speaker 1: Go out in what was a bad matchup for them

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and take Vandy to overtime. They end up covering. It

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should have never been that tough for them to cover

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seven and a half. But Bayu says Penny said he

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started docking Bradshaw nil fi finds for being late, etc.

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Before he started showing effort recently. I like the tactic

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if players are getting paid, they should be able to

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pay fines. Yeah, And it just goes back to like

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how respected Penny is in that community, not even just

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the college, right, that meant this community in general. Whereas

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like I almost feel like I have to start handicapping

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coaches more more than their like coaching acive in at

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this point, because that's the game we're playing now with

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Ni read off last night looking like a joke in

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the press conference, stuff like that, where you got to

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be like, you know, upgrade, down grade, and it's very

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actionable because you know, it is the identity of the team. Yeah,

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I mean, just like again, we could we could go

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on all day, but I thought it was an interesting point.

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And you know, great effort by Memphis last night. That

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was one I thought they were gonna get blown out

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and they took that game to overtime. All right, feature

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gay oh jar head. I'll answer this question. Why is

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the video vertically stacked for some shows? I can't see

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any comments. You gotta go find the other link. So

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wager talk is putting a vertical show out which probably

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formats better to your phone. And the show is also

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up in the in the traditional format on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: It's two separate links.

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Speaker 1: I believe if you're watching on Twitter or one of

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the other platforms, it is going to be the horizontal format,

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so that is you know that. That's why you're seeing

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it like that. We are producing two formats now, so

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you must be watching the vertical format. Go to the

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wager Talk YouTube page. You should be able to find

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the horizontal one as well. Rob I talked to you

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before the show. No real feature game today. It's sort

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of a mid finals week slate. A lot of mid majors,

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the only real Power Conference schools are playing by games.

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So I decided that the feature game was going to

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be the one of the only nationally televised games today.

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And we're going to go to the Chris Paul HBCU

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Classic down in College Park, Georgia, where the Atlanta Dream

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play and this is a five pm Eastern game. And

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I decided to make this game a feature because well,

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as Rothstein likes to say, standalone game, right, it's a

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it's a standalone it's national TV. And I also have

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an opinion here, and I'm actually gonna end up being

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on the wrong. Something I've talked about is I've beaten

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a lot of line moves, and right now it looks

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to be it looks to be on the wrong side

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of the line move, which again, as we've talked about,

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also hasn't meant much this year. I feel like I

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continue to beat numbers and it continues to not matter.

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I took seven with Jackson State in this one. It's

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up to eight and a half now. Something we have

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also covered on this show repeatedly is that may come

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back down throughout the day. This actually opened like six,

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so I thought I was buying back at the fake already,

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but it looks like this has been sort of bet

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up to eight and a half some places.

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Speaker 2: This is a.

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Speaker 1: Neutral court game, College Park, Georgia. This is an HBCU MTE,

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So you're gonna see these two teams play today and

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then you're gonna see them play a different opponent tomorrow.

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I expect this to be a well attended event. You've

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got Division two schools are going to play earlier in

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the day, so it's basically games all day and then

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and then the Division one games are the national TV

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ones on ESPNU at five and seven. I guess the

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reason I wanted to play against Hampton, Well, I guess

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I wanted to play Jackson State here.

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Speaker 2: I'll start with the Jackson State side.

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Speaker 1: Now, they're one in nine, but the majority of their

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games have been by games right like where they're just

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not going to compete with the likes of Louisville in Illinois,

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a Houston, a Northwestern, those are just teams that they're

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not gonna hang around with.

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Speaker 2: And I think they're getting.

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Speaker 1: A little too penalized here rob for the fact that

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they have been blasted in these games. So it's like

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they've lost some of these games by forty or fifty points,

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and I think the books and the masses will look

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at that and say, well, you should have you should

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have been closer. And I look at that and say,

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does it really matter that that they only lost? Like

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would it have been better that they only lost by

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twenty five as opposed to forty to Illinois? To me,

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probably it doesn't really mean much. The games that mean

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something in my opinion for Jackson State are the handful

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of games they've played against a sort of somewhat like competition.

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Ruffin did not play against Winthrop, and not only he's

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one of the best players in the SWACK.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Ruffin comes from Ole Miss.

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he was a pretty highly touted, you know, freshman at

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ole Miss transfers to Jackson State. He's probably one of

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the top five players in this league. He's certainly the

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best player on Jackson State's roster. He didn't play against Winthrop,

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the Louisiana game, the Kennesaw State game, and the Louisiana

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an underdog, right in the same sort of you know,

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also in bigger conferences. So I looked at Jackson State.

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win the SWACK this year. Like they're in that upper

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echelon of SWACK teams. They're one to nine this is

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a neutral court. It's not at Hampton. It's neutral court

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in Atlanta. To me, like, I like what Ivon Thomas

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has done at Hampton, but I don't know that I

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can make them seven points better on a neutral So

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talk to me a little bit about the Hampton side.

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I know you kind of like maybe lean that way.

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I'm surprised that this is up to eight eight and

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a half now. I just don't understand that move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the degree of difficulty Adam when trying to actually

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place where a Swack team is at at this point

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in time. Because we've harped on this a lot, it

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came into play again last night in my analysis yesterday

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morning of the Texas Southern NC State matchup. Right, they

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just go out and they play these ridiculously hard schedules.

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to Jackson State right now and get a gauge on

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what kind of team they are. Their stats are so

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skewed by the beatings that they take that you really

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don't even know who they are. It's usually why I

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would wait till Swack season to play on any Swack side.

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Last night, I chose to go with a team total

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against the swack team because they just give up a

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lot of points to Power five schools. But this is

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not that situation. So at face value, Hampton has played

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far more teams in this weight class Dan has Jackson

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State doesn't mean much. I'm not sure they generally. I'm

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gonna speak from a team total perspective right now, seventy

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two and a half is the number attached to Hampton.

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They generally in this weight class have been able to

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exceed that number. They didn't against Holy Cross and they

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didn't against Norfolk State. The Norfolk State one catches my

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eye a little bit simply because you get that type

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of rivalry atmosphere in games between HBCUs and maybe we

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get that here. But on the other hand, Moe Williams

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has always been an uptempo coach, was an uptempo player.

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He's an up tempo coach Jackson State. Again, you can't

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take a lot of what their statistics say to heart here,

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but they are giving up very very short average possession

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length times second fastest in the nation. Every team that

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they played that blew them out was not a fast

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paced team. I think Campton might pick up the pace

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a little bit here. Whether or not they can cover

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seven and a half is another question. But getting to

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seventy three in this game, I think you'll see a

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much better effort out of Jackson State here, because again

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we say it all the time, but they're in that

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range where they can be far more competitive. And I

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think Campton, just at this point in time, might have

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a little better personnel and better results. So if I

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were to look, I would look at Hampton's team total

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getting over, Adam. But all that being said, it's a

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huge opportunity for Jackson State to finally score some points.

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This isn't the Houston Cougar defense. They're going to be

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facing some sixty five and a half on their end

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could get over as well. I won't play, but I

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would leave the audience with potential full game total over.

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It's been bet up from one thirty six to one

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thirty nine. Seems like money likes that line of thinking

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or the Hampton team total. And you know what, as

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we talk about this game here, Adam, I see eight

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and a half's almost universe. You know, it just keeps flying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I I you know, I've prided myself

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on on at the very least. Even though I haven't

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had a great start to college basketball season, I've gotten

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the best number or a really good number, probably nineteen

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times out of twenty. I can't this hasn't happened to

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me very often this season where I've just gotten one

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shoved in my face. Like I'm getting right here with

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Jackson State. With that being set, this is just if

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this is just some group decided that they were going

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to head to the extra board in bet Hampton, because

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that's that ultimately will move some of these extra board games, right,

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Like if it was a main board game, I'd be

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far more concerned about an injury. But like when it's

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an extra board game, if if a group decides to

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all bet at once, they will move a game multiple

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points on the extra board. I would have absolutely no

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problem taking the eight and a half with as much

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confidence as I did when I punched in plus seven

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for clients for three percent earlier today. The only thing,

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the only thing that would put me off of Jackson

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State would be if Deshaun Ruffin for some reason didn't play.

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I think that's very unlikely here for a couple of reasons. One,

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He's they like this is like a huge game for them.

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It's national TV, it's a it's this whole event, right,

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this this HBCU College Chris Paul HBCU Classic, Like unless

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he's like randomly hurt, like he's not just gonna miss

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this game. So again, I think this is probably a

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group took a position when limits went up. I will

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happily punch back against that, and I'm gonna use I'm

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gonna use whatever the number is on this show by

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the time we're done as my parlay leg so we'll

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just call it eight and a half with Jackson State.

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Ruffin is this team offensively so like, I don't even

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care who else is on the floor with him. He

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is the ident He is the offensive like sort of

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identity of this team. And the last couple games so

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ever since I think he may have either I think

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he was like maybe disciplinary suspended. I have to like

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double check that, but he missed the Winthrop game and

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then he didn't really play much against Arkansas. Since then,

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he's been on a mission. Twenty points against Northwestern last

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time out, he had twenty eight against Kennesaw. He had

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eighteen in the win over Louisiana, and like having a

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back like Houston's gonna take your best player out, even

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if you're Duke right, like, Houston will wipe out your

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best player. It doesn't matter who you are. So the

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fact that he didn't do much against Houston's irrelevant to me.

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This is gonna be a great atmosphere. I think this

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is gonna be a great game even if Jackson State

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doesn't win, which we don't care. We just want him

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to keep it close. I'm not sure Hampton's got the

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juice to just run them out of the gym. It's

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a better Hampton team with a Von Thomas than it

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was prior to him showing up there, but still, like,

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I don't know that they're is an eight point favorite

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on a neutral over Jackson State. So I like the

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dog and that will be my parlay leg for the show.

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I'm going to take eight and a half.

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Speaker 2: Looks like, yeah, eight and a half.

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Speaker 1: Is pretty much across the board now, so we'll take

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Jackson State plus eight and a half. I played it

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for clients for three percent at seven, so it's a

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rare time where I'm actually giving out a better number

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on the show. All right, Wow, that was a hot

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start here. I didn't know we were going to go

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that in detail with Jackson State Hampton. But great way

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to start the show. I'm going to head to the

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comments and let's go to Jose. I like this one.

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Speaker 2: This is an interesting team.

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Speaker 1: Interesting like some line movement here, and he says William

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and Mary for me, especially at home, where, of course

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our colleague Steve Merrill will probably be in attendance. He

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goes to a lot of these William and Mary home games.

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That's his school. I think he has great seats. He's

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told me to come down before. I haven't made it

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down there for a game that I will at some point.

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You want to talk about coaches. Rob Brian Earle was

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up here at Cornell all those years. He's now down there.

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My gut says he's going to overachieve every year because

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that's just the kind of coach he is. And I

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feel like you're seeing that with William and Mary. Are

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you laying eight against Radford with the Tribe tonight?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would lay eight, but I

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would certainly, and obviously the money is the same way

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they were attracted to that opening total of one sixty five.

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It's now one seventy two and a half. You're going

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to get two of the faster tempo teams in the country.

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Obviously Brian Earl's team, Well, William and Mary has had

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this identity for a few years now of up and down,

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high scoring affairs. You combine them with a team that

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does the same and you're likely to get it somewhere

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near this number. William and Mary not really interested in

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a whole lot of defense, but certainly interested and capable

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on the offensive end, and now Radford taking on that

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same type of identity themselves. So I think it's going

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to be up and down, Adam. I really want to

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look at the William and Mary side, their team total

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here up and over. Haven't really played it yet, but

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it's something that interests me quite a bit. You're going

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to get the huge number of possessions that I always

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talk about William and Mary, for what it's worth, the

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fastest offensive tempo team in the nation. They get shot

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so up extremely quickly every thirteen and a half seconds.

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According to Ken Palm, the other side gets one off

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every fifteen and a half second, So fifteen point three,

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excuse me, thirteen and fifteen you got greyhound basketball here,

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you get free throws in those instances. If I could

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just go through a couple of Radford finals here, real quick,

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Betford has been either on the good side or on

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the bad side of eighty plus every single game this year,

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So they can score it, they can allow it. My

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trust in this game would be on the William and

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Mary side, certainly way more tested. They've played a little

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bit better competition here and their offense. It just the

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possession numbers in their game. I'm just going through, real quick,

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seventy eight, seventy six, seventy four, seventy nine, seventy seven,

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seventy eight. Everything here adds up to some form of

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over for me, and maybe at the conclusion of the show,

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I'll look this way. But for me, William and Mary

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team total over here, and I think you have to

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get to ninety one to win that bet. I think

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that's probably a fairly safe way to go. In this case.

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It is ninety and a half at this point, so

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we'll see. It's like I say that total regular full

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game total has really flown up seven a half points.

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Speaker 2: Amazingly.

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Speaker 1: We are in in Brian Earl's second season and it's

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like they still haven't fully adjusted to him being the

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coach there. From a totals perspective, if you go back

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to last year, like every William and Mary total was

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was slammed over like all season right because the previous

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regime did not play even remotely that fast. It literally

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took like a full season for them to adjust it.

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It almost feels like it's happening again this year where

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they came into the year and their totals were a

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little bit lower than they should have been, and this

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is this one is no exception up from I think

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one sixty five to one seventy two and a half.

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Keith makes a great point in the chat. William and

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Mary's only played three home games so far this year.

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It is a game that might have some juice. Radford

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is probably I think I've said this on air here

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that Radford, if there was going to be a team

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that maybe pushes high point in the Big South, I

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thought it could be rad this year. Now Radfords come in,

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you know, they play a lot of games that they're

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gonna play superior competition, so they're another one five and

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seven might be a little bit misleading.

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Speaker 2: They had a.

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Speaker 1: Believe they knocked off someone or maybe they played they

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I think they played someone pretty tight. That was that

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was Yeah, played UNC to fifteen points that SMU game.

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I bet them in that game that was much closer

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than the final score suggests.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: They were right in it with SMU for a lot

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of the game. Ended up losing by seventeen last two

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times out against these You know the scenario where they're

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actually the superior team against Saint Francis and copp and

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State eighty nine points and one oh seven.

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Speaker 2: So Radford can put the ball in the hoop too.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate an overlook there, but after the move,

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maybe you do go the team total route and focus

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on William and Mary because they're gonna probably score it.

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Speaker 2: Will here.

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Speaker 1: All right, okay, Doug, I'll talk about what's going on

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in this game. So Doug says, what's going on with

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Furman minus ten and a half at Manhattan? I get

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that Manhattan is bottom tier, but my numbers only project

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Furman minus four. So there's a couple of things I

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think that you have to acknowledge with the number in

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Furman Manhattan. The first thing is I've noticed that a

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lot of projections on Manhattan have been off this year,

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and the reason for that is will Signore has yet

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to play a game. So I know through some of

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my Mac sources that Sidinor was essentially academically ineligible for

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the first semester. That's why he hasn't stepped foot on

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the floor yet this year. I don't know if they've

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come out and officially said that, but that is why

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he is not step foot in the court yet this year.

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Speaker 2: He's been academically ineligible.

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Speaker 1: Now that's a problem for Manhattan rob because that is

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not only Manhattan's best player. He will be in the

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mix for Mac Player of the Year if he plays

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the whole Mac season, or if he gets back and

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gets in with eligibility in the second semester. Now December eighteenth,

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my math says, this is still the first semester.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can.

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Speaker 1: We don't hear about this as much as we used

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to because it's like, I don't know, I feel like

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academic ineligibility used to be a thing, and it was

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like you knew that they weren't coming back until early January,

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like there was no way to get out of it.

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You have to get the final grades in and then

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make sure your grades are up to be reinstated.

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Speaker 2: To the team, so A, you're not going to see

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him here. B.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the reason that the metrics are so

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off on Manhattan. On the other side, Rob Furman, I

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think a lot of people had Furman as like a

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runaway in their league to win their league this year,

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and they came out looking so bad that the number

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was all out of whack on Furman too. And that's

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starting to fix itself because Furman has now won six

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of their last seven games. They blew out Elon, they

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blew out Harvard, they beat Richmond, they crushed Queens. They're

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starting to look like the team that I think most

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people had at the top of the SoCon this year.

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So that's I'm just trying to make sense of your

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question about the number. I think that's why the numbers

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out of whack on this game for you, because there's

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like a lot of moving parts with both of these

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teams from a handicapping perspective. Because of that, I don't

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really have much interest in getting involved in this game.

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I don't really want any part of Manhattan until they

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get Sidne their back because I haven't been overly impressed

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with them without him. So that's my take there Rob,

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do you have anything more actionable than I have on

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this firm in Manhattan game, I will.

478
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 3: Just say Adam that the three games that you just

479
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:50,000
rattled off where Furman blew out, blew out, and blew out,

480
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,839
those victories were by nine to ten and eleven, so

481
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,960
they're double digit victories. But then we put it up

482
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,319
against ten and a half point number here against Manhattan,

483
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:04,240
and honestly, Furman, maybe a little bit the runaway train

484
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:06,720
may have gone too far at this point in time.

485
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,480
I would prefer to look at an under here for

486
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,279
the one specific reason that and will sign or who

487
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:20,000
you've brought up quite a bit is probably the main

488
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,200
reason why. But Manhattan hasn't really reached any offensive goals here,

489
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:26,079
you know what I mean. They're not a very good

490
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:28,240
We talked about them in the Fairfield game. As a

491
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,359
matter of fact, I think I took Fairfield that night

492
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,839
plus two and a half, and Manhattan did win that

493
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,640
game by four at home, but low scoring game. Most

494
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,680
of the stuff they've played, they don't show the capability

495
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,000
to get to you know, they're going to need to

496
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,400
get to seventy five here. Probably you need an eighty

497
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,559
five seventy five game erors in that vicinity eighty seventy five.

498
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,160
I'm just not so sure they get there. So I

499
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,960
think that angle is correct here one fifty six and

500
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,640
a half bit down to one fifty four and a half.

501
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,960
I think that's correct as far as side is concerned,

502
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:01,680
I would start maybe looking at Manhattan here. Kind of

503
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,640
we talk about weird road trips too, and this is

504
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,359
kind of I know Furman plays in small gyms, but

505
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,400
this is kind of a strange one in Manhattan for

506
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,440
anybody who hasn't been there before. I don't know that

507
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,400
Manhattan or excuse me that Furman's been to Manhattan before

508
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,279
without looking up the.

509
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: Results, have you been a draggy gym before, Rob, It's

510
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,680
been there forever forever.

511
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,319
Speaker 3: Is the city are tough?

512
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been there forever. I think they still

513
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,640
have the track around at the indoor track. Very cool

514
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,279
building in I can't remember what part of the city

515
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,319
it's in. I think they're in like Riverdale, maybe like

516
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:42,559
closer to the Bronx. But yeah, that is a very cool,

517
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,160
little like old gym that's been there for a long time.

518
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,799
And that is a weird trip for Furman to have

519
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,400
to go out there. One other thing I'll say about Manhattan,

520
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,319
Like the problem for them is they have no depth.

521
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,319
They didn't have any depth last year, Like they really

522
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,720
only want to play seven guys. But when when you

523
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:05,359
play seven guys and one of your guys is a

524
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,640
potential Conference Player of the year and then you no

525
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,279
longer have him, it's tough, right, And that's that's what

526
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,440
you're seeing with this team. They have, you know, guys

527
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,599
Jaden Winston, Devin Dinkins. The guys that start the game

528
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,680
for Manhattan are very very good, but the problem is

529
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,079
five through seven. Normally it's like six through six through

530
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:28,519
ten are not very good and you have to put

531
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,839
him in places. But now that you don't, you haven't

532
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,000
had sidn or one of those guys has had to start.

533
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,599
And there is a big, big, big drop off for

534
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:40,680
Manhattan after they're starting five, huge drop off. So it

535
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,559
makes it tough like that. That's why a couple things won.

536
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:47,480
They're not able to you know Furman. Their big issue

537
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,160
earlier in the year was they were turning the ball

538
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,079
over left and right. I think they've cleaned up some

539
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,359
of that. They have a tremendous coach, Bob Ritchie's gonna

540
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,519
figure that out. Is one of the better coaches in

541
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:57,359
that league. So I think you've got a couple of

542
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,559
things here where Manhattan's really sign or it's thrown off

543
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,240
everything they've wanted to do. Furman got off to this

544
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,279
horrific start and now they're starting to round in the

545
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,279
form a little bit. But I'm with you, Rob, I

546
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,640
think at this number, I think it's moved a little

547
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,759
too much. I could only look Manhattan here because they

548
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,440
still have some talent. They can still put the ball

549
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,079
in the hoop and at home, if they're into it,

550
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,240
Furman will turn it over.

551
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,839
Speaker 2: Maybe that keep chewing the game if you're the Jaspers.

552
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,279
Speaker 3: And a couple things just to tie it up here, Adam,

553
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,799
real quick twenty twenty. Hindsight is always the answer to

554
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,240
this question. Furman's had nine days off, and I know

555
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,240
maybe you practice a little bit, but as you mentioned,

556
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,599
it's been finals week for a lot of these universities,

557
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,119
so nine days off, the question of rest versus rust

558
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400
always comes into play, and Furman hasn't necessarily. You know,

559
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,720
they win three straight games, one against Bob Jones, which

560
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,920
we won't consider. But you do beat Elon, you do

561
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,880
beat Harvard by decent sized margins, and then you take

562
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,119
nine days off. It's almost as if they were getting

563
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,160
some kind of flow going. Now it's broken up up.

564
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,000
Now it's a weird road trip. These situationals or external

565
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,839
angles may play a part in this game here tonight.

566
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920
And while Furman has turned it over a bunch, and

567
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,880
I think we could take these numbers to Hart because

568
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,599
Furman has played a lot of teams inside this Manhattan

569
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,559
weight class that word we use, They've not forced any turnovers.

570
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,200
So you don't get extra possessions with Furman so far

571
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:28,839
this year. You lose a few, you don't gain any

572
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,039
plus ten and a half. I don't know, Like I said,

573
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,440
I didn't play the game, but as I talk it

574
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,759
through here, it could be a little bit of a

575
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,640
lean towards Manhattan plus ten and a half. And I

576
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,359
think that's the angle that the question was coming from.

577
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,079
I can't even remember now, but I think they were

578
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:42,880
looking at Manhattan.

579
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

580
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: No, well, he was saying his number was closer to four,

581
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,920
and so I was trying. I feel like we kind

582
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,079
of did sort of talk that out and maybe validate

583
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,119
his number a little bit, right, Like I No.

584
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: I really I have to.

585
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I kind of didn't even I kind of stop making number,

586
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,720
like a number for Manhattan games and just trying to

587
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,599
sort of read the market in the matchup a little bit,

588
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,279
because if I make a number for Manhattan right now,

589
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:13,000
I know it's gonna be skewed. And it's like for me,

590
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,759
like Signore was so important to that team that it's

591
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,319
almost like you have to throw out all priors if

592
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,599
he's not out there and try to make it off

593
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,160
of what you've seen this year. And I'm always gonna

594
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,440
like if that's why I haven't even tried to make

595
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,599
a number for that game, that if I do, it's

596
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,240
going to be pro Manhattan. I already know that, So

597
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,279
I just would rather wait on that one and see

598
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:36,519
if it gets to a point where it's like, Okay,

599
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,200
I just have no choice.

600
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: I have to take Manhattan here.

601
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: Listen, at ten and a half, you're getting pretty close

602
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,680
to that point, especially with them playing on their home floor.

603
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,559
So yeah, I think on Manhattan are passed there as well.

604
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:50,559
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to your.

605
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Neck of the woods, rob especially because I threw the

606
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,440
sweatshirt on and I got at the NEC final last

607
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,279
year where Central Connecticut State was stunned on their home

608
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,039
floor by Saint Francis. They everyone in the building and

609
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,839
that's actually where this game is tonight. Dietrich Gym. Have

610
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,920
you been to Dietrich Gym before? That's been there forever too.

611
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was there forever ago. A buddy of

612
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,160
mine graduated there in nineteen eighty three. I was probably

613
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,559
in there in nineteen eighty one.

614
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,799
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's probably still the same building. They've

615
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:28,160
just spruced it up over the years. It's got one

616
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,920
of those like the NEC conference is full of those

617
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,720
where it's like you walk in it's like kind of

618
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,799
like walking into a high school. Yeah, this facility opened

619
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,279
in nineteen sixty five, so it was very much there

620
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,119
in the early eighties. They've actually done a really nice

621
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,759
job in there with some of the suites and stuff

622
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:50,400
that they've put in. But small facility. Reason I want

623
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,640
to bring this kind of goes. It's a perfect theme

624
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,880
for the show. We started the show talking about coaching.

625
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Pat Sellers deserves any job that he wants. Some team

626
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,519
is gonna hire Pat Sellers away from Central Connecticut State,

627
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:07,440
probably at the end of this year or very soon,

628
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,960
and they're gonna get just an absolute stud of a coach.

629
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:12,119
Speaker 2: He lost the.

630
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Best player in the conference, Jordan Jones was the best

631
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,799
player in the NC last year. They had such a

632
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,920
tremendous team, and he's turned right back around and put

633
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,480
what I consider to be like I know a lot

634
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,880
of people think Long Island was the favorite and is

635
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,279
the favorite in the NEC this year, but I'll put

636
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,880
Central Connecticut State right up there against them. He's just

637
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,160
an awesome coach. They're always prepared. He's found a couple

638
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,279
of like d two diamonds in the rough, and he's

639
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:42,279
gonna face cross state rival Fairfield tonight, who I think

640
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:44,480
we've noted on this show has been kind of good

641
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,440
in these types of games where it's a competitive game.

642
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,880
You know, really will use the term weight class again,

643
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,079
Fairfield has been pretty good in these types of games.

644
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,640
So Fairfield hits the road here they're catching three possessions.

645
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,839
Do you have anything in this one? Fairfield Central Coach,

646
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,640
Central Connecticut State and hard hitting New Britain Tonight, Rob Vita.

647
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,759
Speaker 3: Hard hitting New Britain. You know, when I first looked

648
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,319
at it, I didn't really like the road results of

649
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:11,839
Fairfield and take you to the road here, and I

650
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,880
don't know that coming from that state, living there thirty

651
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,799
one years, I just don't ever remember Fairfield and Central

652
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,880
Connecticut being rivals. They're a little bit they're a little

653
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,759
bit apart. So I won't use the word rivalry here,

654
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:29,519
but in state matchup a team in Fairfield that brings

655
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:31,960
some things on the road adam that do travel, they

656
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,519
don't turn it over and they rebound well. And if

657
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:36,200
you could do those two things on the road, you

658
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,119
can sometimes survive bad shooting nights, which maybe they could

659
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,359
be in four here against it. They're not a good,

660
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,599
good shooting team. They went to Manhattan and could only

661
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,519
score sixty six points in the seventy sixty six lost.

662
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:52,160
Central Connecticut, for what it's worth, is going to put

663
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,160
more points than that on the board here. Haven't been

664
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,279
home in a while. Last time they were home it

665
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,119
was a one eight one oh six of substance with

666
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,359
a line attached to it against Sacred Heart in a

667
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,519
wild game. I could almost see Central Connecticut picking up

668
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:10,480
their scoring here if I was to look at it

669
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,239
from team total or total perspective. Not so sure that

670
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Fairfield can keep up if they get behind, which creates margins,

671
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,519
So maybe a look there. But again you combat those

672
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,159
things with the fact that they Fairfield does not turn

673
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,920
it over and they can play on the glass with

674
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:34,320
Central Connecticut. So it comes down to little stuff maybe

675
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,559
like foul trouble, etc. Et cetera. Central to me is

676
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:41,000
the better team. Central should probably score points here, but

677
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,119
I don't trust them to really separate and create huge

678
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:47,000
margin against this team, which, if nothing else, if it

679
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,679
had described Fairfield, if nothing else, they're kind of gritty.

680
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,400
They just don't shoot it well enough at this point

681
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,360
in time, and Central plays pretty good defense for that

682
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,239
level of you know, basketball. So I'm probably at a

683
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,519
standstill here with no real selection, But I guess allegiance,

684
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,679
even though Fairfield is way closer to home. Allegiance would

685
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,840
probably be with my buddy and my brother in law, who.

686
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:11,159
Speaker 2: Both graduated CCSU.

687
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you make a great point about Fairfield and and

688
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,239
sort of their lack of shooting. I actually played against

689
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,840
Fairfield successfully maybe yeah, about ten days ago. They went

690
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,239
on the road to Merrimack, and that that's a terrible

691
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,960
matchup for the Merrimack just sits in that Joe Gallo

692
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,960
tough zone and you have to shoot over it, and

693
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,239
that was a really bad matchup for them. The Manhattan

694
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,880
Fairfield game that you referenced in our last breakdown, that

695
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,800
was a pretty good game. Could have gone either way,

696
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,079
and that was one of those things where it's like Fairfield,

697
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,599
I feel like it was not able to fully exploit

698
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,000
like Manhattan's lack of depth in that game, and so

699
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,880
Manhattan was able to play their starters pretty much the

700
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,920
whole game, and that's a pretty good starting five.

701
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,639
Speaker 2: It's it's the depth that kills them.

702
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: CCSU can defend, but they play mostly man as far

703
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,039
as I'm pretty sure, Sellers usually has kind of a

704
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:06,320
you know, more traditional man defense with a couple of

705
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,519
usually bigs like that are good chop blockers, good rebounders,

706
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,880
you know, kind of rim protectors. That actually might not

707
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,119
be the worst thing for Fairfield because they are gritty

708
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:18,880
rob That was probably a good the best way to

709
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,760
describe them there. They're scrappy team. They can go off

710
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,199
the dribble a little bit, and like that makes me

711
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,239
think that maybe they hang around here. You're talking about

712
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,280
five and a half or six points kind of reminds

713
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,639
me I cashed in. So someone pointed out Central Connecticut's

714
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,800
schedule this year has been almost all road games. They

715
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,320
go up and play a lot of by games as well,

716
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,400
and then recently they've been out on the road just

717
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,119
to some smaller Northeast schools. They came out to Binghamton

718
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,920
last weekend, believe they played at Northeastern before that. So

719
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,719
they've actually only played one Division One opponent at home

720
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,800
so far this year. That was Sacred Heart and that

721
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,800
was a one o eight one oh six OT thriller.

722
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:05,800
I ended up on the right side of that game

723
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,679
with Sacred Heart plus three and a half. Central Connecticut

724
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:11,800
State ended up hitting a jumper in OT I believe

725
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,360
to win that game. My gut says, it's this. This

726
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,280
could be a similar game. I don't think you're not

727
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,000
from a scoring standpoint, not scoring in the hundreds, but

728
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,760
kind of tight. Neither team can really pull away. And

729
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,639
I think if if that's the case, I think I'd

730
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,079
prefer to have those points with Fairfield if I had

731
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,400
to bet this game. Yeah, Bayu says, yeah. The only

732
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Division One opponent that CCSU has played at home this

733
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,599
year was that Sacred Heart game. Very competitive game, and

734
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,840
I think you get another competitive one here.

735
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: And they're traveling at them. For what it's worth. Central's

736
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,199
travel from New Britain is all those games are within

737
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,119
like a sixty mile radius. They're not really going anywhere.

738
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,559
There are away games, but they're not going any distance

739
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:56,960
in those games, price right, So I.

740
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,679
Speaker 1: Would say recently was the most travel they've done, where

741
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,639
they went to Northeastern up in Boston and then had

742
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:05,119
to come all the way out here to Binghamton.

743
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: That's where they were over the weekend.

744
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,599
Speaker 1: They were out here at Binghamton and they blasted what

745
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:12,840
I considered to be a bad Binghamton team. So you know,

746
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,159
it should be interesting though, I would wouldn't wouldn't surprise

747
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,519
me if that game was kind of tight.

748
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:19,039
Speaker 2: All right.

749
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: Got some folks talking about Temple Davidson, and that's actually

750
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,039
on a slate where there's not much in the way

751
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,719
of like big games. I guess an A ten league

752
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,760
contest deserves some time on the show. So this is

753
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,960
down in North Carolina tonight. Two teams that for me

754
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:40,440
have been underwhelming recent years in the A ten. You know,

755
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:45,599
I don't know how Steph Curry is actively general managing

756
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,360
when he still plays professional basketball, but he is their GM,

757
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,639
I believe is the title they gave him. Davidson though

758
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,159
had some guys out. I think they're getting healthy in

759
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:58,000
time for league play. Seth Logan was one of them.

760
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,920
That one of the guys that missed time. That's very

761
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,400
very important to Davidson and what they want to do

762
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,360
and how they want to play. So I guess my

763
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,440
first sort of thought here, Rob was I wasn't surprised

764
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,039
that Davidson was laying this number at home in a

765
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,400
league game. They're kind of a team that I think

766
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,159
I want to jump on sooner than later. Do you

767
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,480
jump on them here against Temple? And what I believe

768
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,960
is going to be their A ten opener and could

769
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:30,920
be the return of Seth Logan, who we did not

770
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,920
see in that Mercy Hurst game and he was rumored

771
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960
to come back. So that's something to keep your eye on.

772
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,559
Is Shawn Logan, sorry, Seawn Logan going to play tonight

773
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:39,239
for Davidson?

774
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's two different styles of basketball here where

775
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,119
player is concerned Adam a Temple you get more of

776
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:55,119
the ball handling ability to get to the rim. Where

777
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:59,400
Davidson they've met McKillop just picking up his father's trail

778
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:04,199
and playing slow deliberate, but really good shooting basketball. I mean,

779
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,519
they remain a really good shooting team. Davis and schedule

780
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,079
hasn't been great ranked in the when I looked this morning,

781
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,039
I think I had two seventy nine and maybe in

782
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,440
the two eighties. For Temple, they were comparable. Let's put

783
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,039
it that way. Schedule wise, they were comparable, so there's

784
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:21,519
no real edge there. But Davidson has shot it well.

785
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:26,639
It's their basically their trademark, their blueprint. Play slow, make

786
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,159
hit threes, play the system. You're not really going to

787
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,159
get a lot off to dribble into the rim. The

788
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:35,920
problem for Temple is they've just played zero defense all

789
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,639
season long. It's just not a good defensive team. I

790
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:46,639
can see offensive advantages for Temple in quickness and maybe

791
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:49,239
that type of getting to the foul line, getting to

792
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880
the rim, et cetera. But when it comes to the

793
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,119
other end of the floor, the defensive end, I just

794
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,400
think that, you know, Davidsons, we talk about defenses that

795
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,039
grind teams down. Offensive styles can rind a team down,

796
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:05,239
and for to ask Temple to play defense twenty five

797
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,239
twenty eight seconds into a shot clock, I just don't

798
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:14,199
think that they're capable of doing that against Davidson here, however,

799
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,440
you're getting points just trying to check the number here

800
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480
as we speak, you're going to take five and a

801
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,960
half points in a game that's going to be limited

802
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,840
possessions with a team that I do think can find

803
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,880
their way to the rim and to the free throw line,

804
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,119
and they shoot threes really well. So it's an interesting matchup.

805
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:35,400
If I had to, I think the money's correct. I'm

806
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,920
betting this thing under. It's all the way down to

807
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,840
one forty four. Probably lost your number was the opener

808
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,559
and at five and a half, I just don't know

809
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,159
which way. Look. My problem with five and a half

810
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,360
is this, I think it's competitive, but I think Davidson

811
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,199
can stretch it on the free throw line if they're

812
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,039
ahead at the end. And you just hate to be

813
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:58,079
in that situation where you're, you know, within four is

814
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,639
an underdog and you have to file score file scoring.

815
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,440
You end up losing by seven. So probably wouldn't play

816
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:07,800
side and perhaps the total the good number is already gone,

817
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:10,559
but still it should be a lower scoring game. Davidson

818
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:12,119
just doesn't let things get out of hand.

819
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I want to talk about Logan for a second,

820
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:23,920
because I really do think that his his inclusion on

821
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,639
the team is massive for them going forward. Now, he's

822
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,280
played in five games this year, but to my knowledge,

823
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,159
he's been pretty much battling whatever injury has ailed him

824
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,079
since like before the.

825
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: Season even started.

826
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: So like, yes, he's played in five games, but I

827
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,760
mean a couple of them were like, you know, I

828
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,800
remember he got out on the floor in that empty

829
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,280
against Utah State for like a couple of possessions and

830
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,599
then he was like done for the game.

831
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he's played since then.

832
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: He he's a six to ten big and Davidson has

833
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:59,920
another one, So Ian Plateau is the other one that

834
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,719
it would almost they be in like a little bit

835
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,280
of a time share. He's at Platow's a seven footer,

836
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,880
and they kind of would play them, not at the

837
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,679
same time, but it's like, you know, one's gonna play

838
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:10,920
fifteen to twenty minutes, the other is.

839
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,119
Speaker 2: Gonna play fifteen to twenty minutes.

840
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: That's kind of what Plato's played this year, Like those

841
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,599
are his minutes. Seems to be like fifteen minutes a game.

842
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,719
So the problem is once he's off the floor, they

843
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,360
don't have the other big and the other thing. I

844
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,119
really I believe, and I'm just going off memory, but

845
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,519
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the goal was

846
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:35,159
to have Logan back for a ten play, and so

847
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,559
this is, in fact the a ten opener for both

848
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,119
of these teams, and he has it like they haven't

849
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:46,280
even they haven't even chanced it in recent games. I

850
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,199
think they're they're chancing it. Was hey, let's see if

851
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,639
you can play a little bit in the MTE didn't

852
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,880
go well, and then it was like, all right, you know,

853
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,280
our next few games are games we should win without him. Citadel,

854
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,000
you know, the Saint Mary's game. I don't think they

855
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,280
ever truly expected to win that game. Mercy Hurst, NCA

856
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,320
and T let's shut him down into league play. If

857
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,119
he's out there, that to me is a considerable bump

858
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,159
for Dayton. I would probably consider the Dayton side of that.

859
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:18,039
If you, I'm sorry Dayton, Davidson, Davidson, the Wildcats, I

860
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:22,000
would consider the davidsonside. If Sean Logan shows up in

861
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:26,920
that starting five tonight. Okay, let's go to you, Rob.

862
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,039
This is a Jose asks for Drake and Murray State,

863
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,679
and you are the Missouri Valley guy on this show.

864
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: That one's right in your wheelhouse.

865
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,679
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna take a break from talking

866
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,599
for a second because I've been yapping a lot here

867
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:41,559
with these small Northeastern schools and give you the floor.

868
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,280
Drake Murray State, Missouri Valley Conference play tonight.

869
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: Getting going all right.

870
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: So first reaction here, and this was probably the first

871
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,320
game I looked at on the card last night, obviously

872
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,480
huge interest in it. First reaction, initial reactions, just general

873
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:03,039
thought is that Drake is not the same team, certainly

874
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,280
not the same style. Eric Henderson came from South Dakota State.

875
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,880
He plays a totally different way than Drake is accustomed

876
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,760
to playing. It shows up in some of these results.

877
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,599
So my first thought is to play against or to

878
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,880
fade Drake immediately until they get their feet underneath them,

879
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,079
so to speak, and understand who they are and what

880
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,719
they're going to be doing. And Murray State's not an

881
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,679
ideal opponent to start your season with. Ryan Miller's crew

882
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,159
actually has it going pretty well right now. Played a

883
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,960
high scoring George Washington team. Won that game on a

884
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,559
neutral whacked Morehead State, which they were supposed to do

885
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,000
and then came back and listen. Akron and John Gross

886
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:45,960
is a really good team and Murray beat them by

887
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,559
fifteen points the other day. They've got offensive capabilities and

888
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,599
they play at a transitional pace that Henderson is trying

889
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,800
to kind of convert Drake into, but they're not there yet.

890
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:03,199
To me, this game is at home at Murray. I

891
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,440
think it's probably one of the worst teams or matchups

892
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,840
that Drake could have had to start the season. I

893
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,920
think when they rematch January twenty first, over a month

894
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,719
from now in Drake, maybe it's a different story. But

895
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,760
right now, I'm all about Murray State, their ability to score,

896
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:27,280
their ability to defend, their ability to shoot, and they

897
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,880
crash the boards from the offensive perspective, and I like

898
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,960
a team that knows what they're doing at this point

899
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,679
in time versus a team that honestly is in a

900
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,480
still in somewhat of an identity. I don't want to

901
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,320
call it crisis. Let's call it switch.

902
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: Identity crisis is I think crisis is accurate.

903
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: Well, I think crisis is a good.

904
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and use crisis that I don't really

905
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,480
like the Drake side at this point in time. So

906
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,480
for me, it's Murray State. It'll make the card today

907
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,920
for sure in some capacity. I don't know how strongly

908
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,480
I'll play it, but I will be playing the Murray

909
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:00,000
State side.

910
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,559
Speaker 1: Rob The reason I think crisis was an accurate sort

911
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:08,679
of way to talk about Drake is Owen Larson came

912
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,320
back two games ago. So Owen Larson is the highest

913
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,480
rated player.

914
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:14,559
Speaker 2: On this roster by far.

915
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,519
Speaker 1: If you buy an EV and MAI as BPR ratings

916
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,960
like player ratings, Owen Larson is far and away Drake's

917
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,239
highest rated player. Now, Owen Larson comes over with Eric

918
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,360
Henderson from South Dakota State and by all accounts, was

919
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,440
supposed to be their best player going into the year.

920
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,000
Now he gets hurt. He finally made his season debut,

921
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,840
I believe, off the bench against UAB, only played eleven minutes.

922
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,440
What's more concerning to me is the twenty one minutes

923
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,159
he played over the weekend against North Dakota State that

924
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,039
were largely ineffective.

925
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:49,079
Speaker 2: He looked.

926
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: I caught as much of that game as I could

927
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,800
because it was interested to see what Drake looked like

928
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,920
upon his actual return, and very passive, very much a

929
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,960
facilitator only attempted three shots. I mean, he is a guard,

930
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:07,159
had five assists, But to me that you got to

931
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,079
get more out of him in twenty one minutes on

932
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:12,239
the floor, where otherwise it kind of looks like a

933
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,000
net negative. And so I think you're you see this

934
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,800
open seven and a half. I'm certain that someone out

935
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,719
there is going to bet Drake today and their reasoning

936
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,400
for betting Drake is going to be like, well, ohen

937
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,000
Larson's back, but like he's now played thirty minutes, he

938
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:29,039
hasn't looked very back. To me, Rob, I didn't really

939
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,559
you know, he didn't really do anything. So like, yeah,

940
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,599
he's back, as he's out on the floor, he didn't

941
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:36,239
do anything. So I'm kind of with you. I think

942
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,199
Murray State would be the look because I don't think

943
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,960
he's adding to the number at all right now.

944
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,039
Speaker 3: And I would say this, I talk about this often

945
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:52,079
with our colleagues, skeep profit when we do NBA. Reintegrating

946
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:56,480
a star player into a lineup is never easy. It

947
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,760
just doesn't become cohesive overnight. And you're talking about Larsen

948
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,800
playing with new teammates all over the place. You know,

949
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,000
you play with South Dakota. That was a good rhythm team,

950
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,280
it's not the same. It probably takes time. That's why

951
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,559
I was saying before that maybe in the January twenty

952
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:14,719
first rematch we see a little better version of Drake.

953
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,480
But I don't like the fact that they open with Murray.

954
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,440
It's just a bad league opponent to have to open

955
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,599
with on the road. So again, just to further your point,

956
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,719
I feel like Murray states the proper side here.

957
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Steve Duke says, y'all talk to me on to the

958
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,519
Drake play. I'm passing on that now listen. I mean,

959
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,039
you know, you never know what's going to happen. But

960
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,039
that's also part of the reason for this show.

961
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: You know. I know a lot of people that.

962
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,519
Speaker 1: Show up to watch us are really trying to handicap

963
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,639
the games themselves. I would say that's where we add

964
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,360
the most value. Robbino, I will let people know that

965
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,000
if you just want picks, if you're just looking for picks,

966
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:56,440
we got picks, and those picks are at wager Talk.

967
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,880
There's always good specials. There's almost never a scenario where

968
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,000
you have to pay full price. The full court package

969
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,639
gets you I think three days at a pretty big discount.

970
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Rob and I'll do the weekend special pretty much every

971
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,920
weekend this year. We're going to have a scenario where

972
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,320
you can get mine and Rob's plays for the same

973
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,960
price for the whole weekend. The way that the two

974
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,119
of us bet will almost never be on the same thing,

975
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:21,400
So I don't think there's ever gonna be a scenario

976
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,719
where we're either against each other or even on the

977
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,679
same side. With the volume over the weekend and the

978
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,119
way we both bet, so you know, that's where you

979
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,920
can get the picks. But this show is probably more

980
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:36,440
geared toward helping you do your own handicapping and just

981
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,280
giving you the info you need to make a bet,

982
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,400
and so that's what we're trying to do here, and

983
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:43,079
hopefully we talk you off a loser. Hopefully the racers

984
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:47,320
race away with this one and we save you some coin.

985
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,280
Right there, Rob, it is ten fifty one? Is it

986
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,199
okay if I put you on the spot for your parlay?

987
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,159
Speaker 3: Lan? Yeah, now absolutely, I probably could have gone five

988
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,679
or six minutes ago. But let's go ahead and backtrack,

989
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,519
because I scan the board and yesterday, you know what, Adam, yesterday,

990
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:05,119
before I made my plass that it was down to

991
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:07,960
three things, I could have picked any of them. Cincinnati

992
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,519
team total went over, the Alabama South Florida game full

993
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,840
game went over, and I landed on NC State team total,

994
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,199
which went over today. There's a couple of things I

995
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,719
was looking at to choose, from the second of which, guys,

996
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,079
would have been this William and Mary game. In fact

997
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:28,480
that's going to be to play. The second of which

998
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:33,000
was the Saint Joe's team total against Delaware State, which

999
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:34,800
I think might be a little bit under priced. Do

1000
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,880
with that what you want, but for the parlay purposes

1001
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,119
we talked about this game already. The pace is going

1002
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:43,639
to be so rapid here. William and Mary's team total

1003
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:45,079
is ninety and a half. It's a team that's a

1004
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:49,760
custom under Brian into getting into that territory. As Adam

1005
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,320
said last year, underpriced. It kind of like I almost

1006
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,400
feel like bookmakers, Adam. I'm going to go back to

1007
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,519
something you said earlier about slow to react to Brian

1008
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:03,039
Earl and William and Mary as far as totals are concerned,

1009
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,719
it seems like they were quicker odds makers or betters

1010
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,159
to react to IU Indy, which now we see coming

1011
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:14,000
back to Earth and a lot of unders in that case,

1012
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,800
I don't think that's the situation here with two teams

1013
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,079
that want to get up and down is the preferred pace.

1014
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,360
A lot of bucket getters on the floor here, lots

1015
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,199
of opportunities. So I'm going to play William and Mary's

1016
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,199
team total up and over ninety and a half.

1017
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,119
Speaker 1: William and Mary that's up and over ninety and a half.

1018
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,199
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about that? That just point in general.

1019
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: So something Brian Earl said a couple of years ago

1020
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,039
going into the year that he had a really good

1021
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:44,960
Cornell team that ultimately probably got him this job. He

1022
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:48,679
talked about being so excited that he had guys that

1023
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,920
were in year two and year three, because he straight

1024
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,480
up came out and he said, not only is my

1025
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,559
system tough in year one, but these guys have no

1026
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,280
idea what they're getting in for from a conditioning standpoint

1027
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,599
to play the I want them to play. And he

1028
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:05,760
referenced the Cornell team from the year prior totally like

1029
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,000
flaming out in February and he was just like they

1030
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,440
they They're conditioning wasn't good enough to play the whole season.

1031
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,840
I do think you maybe saw that a little bit

1032
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,960
with William and Mary. Going off memory, going back to

1033
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:18,920
last year, they started to sort of flame out in

1034
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,920
February and they weren't putting up the big numbers and

1035
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,360
they were and they weren't winning games like at the

1036
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,480
rate they were early in the season. And I'll just

1037
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:30,480
attribute that to Brian Earl's crazy style press the whole game.

1038
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,679
Speaker 2: We're flying up and down the floor, We're gonna fire

1039
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:33,400
up a three.

1040
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: It's it's not you know, you need a year, I

1041
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,159
think just to figure out like, oh shit, like I better,

1042
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:41,920
I better get in shape over the summer, right, because

1043
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,119
that's that that asks a lot. And so I I

1044
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,400
so two things that help you out here, Rob. One,

1045
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:51,559
it's mid December. They're not tired yet, they haven't hit

1046
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:55,239
the gauntlet of league games to this point. And two,

1047
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,880
maybe they're just a little bit better conditioned, so they

1048
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,480
are going to be able to play their style and

1049
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,760
you should see them sort of realize their potential more,

1050
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,400
which would be in this case probably hitting that team

1051
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:05,920
total over.

1052
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: So I am very much with you on the William

1053
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,039
and Mary look. And I'll just well.

1054
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: I said this happens a lot here, Adam. I'm sorry

1055
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,119
to interrupt, but This happens a lot where you'll say

1056
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:18,840
something and guys get used to us doing this throughout

1057
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,239
the season, but you'll say something that triggers a thought

1058
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,719
in my head that I just got to bring up.

1059
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,360
He talked about conditioning with William and Mary they kind

1060
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,639
of slacked off scoring wise. The same exact thing happened,

1061
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:30,280
and not that the team wasn't used to it, But

1062
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,480
I want to just project ahead here for this year.

1063
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,440
We do that a little bit on this show too.

1064
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,360
Bucky McMillan Samford team last year, just from a guy

1065
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,440
who kept betting Samford team total over over over plays

1066
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,840
a relatively fast style. Samford was racking up numbers like

1067
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,599
crazy until mid February inside conference, and then all of

1068
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:52,440
a sudden the results became very sporadic, lower scoring, more misshots.

1069
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:54,519
I'm like, what is it? I had a client actually

1070
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:57,400
DM me last year's day what's wrong with Samford? And

1071
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:59,760
it could possibly be the same thing. Only reason I

1072
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,039
bring it up is because Bucky McMillan now at Texas

1073
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:05,519
A and M, and Texas A and M looks great

1074
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,880
scoring the basketball early on, but they're gonna go through

1075
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,400
the riggers of an SEC season. It could be a

1076
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,719
few weeks from now where we're able to capitalize on

1077
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,840
higher team totals with Texas A and M that are

1078
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,599
gonna stay under simply because that factor of being worn

1079
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,960
down by a thirty four game college basketball season affects them.

1080
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,079
We're scoring is concerned.

1081
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,599
Speaker 2: It's what this is, what we're here for.

1082
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, those those are the types of things like

1083
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,360
that might help you cash or ticket a few weeks

1084
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,639
from now, and you got it here free, so you know,

1085
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,079
but by all means.

1086
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,199
Speaker 2: Those are the types of thoughts we want on this show.

1087
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,079
Speaker 1: I at the gun before we recap the pilot, we

1088
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,440
got about five minutes left. I'll talk about the eleven

1089
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,400
am tip. I don't have anything crazy here from a

1090
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,840
you know, this was not one that I even considered

1091
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,320
playing today. But you do have an eleven am tip.

1092
00:55:56,639 --> 00:56:01,480
Charleston Southern, North Florida. I'm assuming that is that in

1093
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,039
the buck Dome they call this places. It's not really

1094
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,239
a dome. I mean maybe the structure is a dome.

1095
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,039
It's a very small gym that they playing down at

1096
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:13,039
Charleston Southern, which, fun fact, Rob is in North Charleston.

1097
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,440
Charleston Southern is in North Charleston for those of you

1098
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,280
keeping score at home. I like this team. Though I

1099
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,280
could only lay the ten and a half, you could

1100
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,840
have had nine and a half early this morning. I'm

1101
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,760
a fan of the Bucks. I think they are a

1102
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,880
sleeper in their league. All on Summer is still there

1103
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,960
from last year. They got some guys that can score,

1104
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,320
so as it stands right now, there are some tens

1105
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:40,760
out there. Again, not my strongest sort of take on

1106
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,239
the day, but it does start in four minutes if

1107
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,000
they get off to a slow start. Maybe a live

1108
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,119
bet on Charleston Southern. But that's about all I have

1109
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,360
anything for you. North Florida Chuck South as the kids

1110
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:50,960
like to call it.

1111
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this. It didn't go out as

1112
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:57,320
a client card client play early this morning. I was

1113
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,800
real quick to this, but I did make a personal bet.

1114
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,079
I do have bet action on this game. Total over,

1115
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,400
I got a way better number guys sixty and a

1116
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,320
half earlier this morning. You're up to the one sixty

1117
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,920
three now, probably because it is an eleven am standalone

1118
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,800
game where everybody's gonna just bet the early game. But

1119
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,400
I did for what it's worth for anybody who wants

1120
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,239
to take the bad end of the line now and

1121
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,440
just tail I'm on Charleston Southern North Florida over should

1122
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,480
be a high scoring gain point. North Florida cannot defend

1123
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:30,599
worth of time. It's a team that used to be

1124
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,800
in the A Sun with Belmont when my son was

1125
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,320
there and North Florida was you know, halfway decent, but

1126
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:40,480
recent years all high scoring, no real defense. I like,

1127
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:43,519
I bet it over sixty and a half. Like I say,

1128
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,239
do with that, which you will.

1129
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, North Florida is a big, big fade, not that

1130
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,280
there's gonna be much value doing it, but like the

1131
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:54,119
architect of that Birds of Trey sort of system that

1132
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:58,679
they had going there is now at Kansas State. They

1133
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:01,599
this is not a good basketball team this year. So

1134
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:05,320
for me, could only fade them numbers. Obviously they're asking

1135
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,840
you to pay a premium on the home favorite in

1136
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,159
the eleven AM standalone tip, but might not matter because

1137
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,519
I think Charleston Southern's a lot better and if they

1138
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:16,559
can really get going, and if let's put it this way,

1139
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:18,519
if your team total hits that they're probably going to

1140
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:19,360
cover that number.

1141
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,519
Speaker 2: I feel like they run and hide in this game.

1142
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: At some point is somebody in the comment section. Adam

1143
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,000
yesterday or the day before had a had a angle

1144
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:31,679
on road teams in early early starts. Just bet against

1145
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:33,199
the road teams and play these.

1146
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:35,079
Speaker 2: Home Yeah, Jim Root was saying.

1147
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: Jim Root on the show was saying that he was

1148
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,400
He was saying that the home teams have like anecdotically

1149
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,000
like just not having the facts in front of him.

1150
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,199
He was just saying for memory that he felt like

1151
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,599
a lot of those home teams just rolls roll in

1152
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:50,199
this in this sort of eleven am tip window.

1153
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: We listened around here, Jim.

1154
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick, we'll break down the park, just recap

1155
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,119
the parlay. We got about one minute left and and

1156
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,280
we have to wrap it up. So I'm gonna, as

1157
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,920
the kids say, Rob, I'm gonna stand on business. I'm

1158
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:08,440
staying with Jackson State. I don't agree with that move

1159
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,000
at all. Pinnacle is back to eight, but the market

1160
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:14,320
is still at eight and a half everywhere. Wouldn't be

1161
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,800
surprised if that's back down in the seven and a

1162
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,559
half seven range by tip off. I think that could

1163
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,119
be a little bit of a fake. So for the show,

1164
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,079
for the parlay, it's gonna stay eight and a half.

1165
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:27,599
But I did get that out to clients plus seven

1166
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,360
for a three percent play, so hopefully the numbers don't

1167
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,480
Hopefully the number doesn't matter here. I'm gonna go with

1168
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,639
Jackson State plus eight and a half, and then we're

1169
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,239
gonna go with Rob Bino's team total.

1170
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: Over William and Mary over ninety and a half.

1171
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:42,719
Speaker 1: We cashed the parlay yesterday to put us plus one

1172
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,400
point four to six units on the season, so we're

1173
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,519
back in the plus and we're gonna stay there. We're

1174
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:49,559
gonna hit this two teamer win or lose.

1175
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:49,719
Speaker 2: Though.

1176
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,519
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow to wrap up the week ten

1177
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,519
am for more Full Court Press. Have a great day, everybody.

1178
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:56,880
We will see you guys in the morning.

1179
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:01,239
Speaker 3: Six