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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been in a cockpit before it?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thirty two on a Thursday means it's time for

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<v Speaker 2>iHeart Media aviation expert Jay rat Left, Jay Ratliff, Welcome back,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend. Always enjoy talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning. It's it's a meme stock week. You know

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<v Speaker 1>the memes are backs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I read a couple of articles about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, just leave them alone. Krispy Kreme open

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<v Speaker 1>Door Coles. Yeah, they've been flying up. That social media

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<v Speaker 1>frenzy is what drives them up. And Brian, a few

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<v Speaker 1>people make a great deal of money, but most everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else loses and loses a lot. So if you see

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<v Speaker 1>the headlines, just avoid that emotional tug and leave it

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<v Speaker 1>alone because they're not good They're not good news.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it the case that once you see it in

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<v Speaker 2>the news, that's whatever meme stock is going through the

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<v Speaker 2>roof that you've already missed the opportunity, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>invest any money in it, you're going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>a downward trajectory in terms of your return.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about it. Because it's a pump and dump for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason. Yeah, and that's exactly what happens. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know you hear your friend bragging about how much money

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<v Speaker 1>he made, which may or may not be true, and

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you've missed out. So even though the

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<v Speaker 1>stock's up, you know, four hundred and eighteen percent, you know, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>it could go up more. So I'm going to put.

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<v Speaker 2>Money in it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no no, it's just that fear of

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<v Speaker 1>missing out, that emotional it just tug is just too

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<v Speaker 1>much for some people. And you just walk away and

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<v Speaker 1>leave me alone. I remember Game Stop four years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>that was trading eighteen nineteen dollars a share and it's

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<v Speaker 1>peaked a few days later. It was five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>some dollars in pre market before it just came crashing down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's insane. Just just leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I guess the key is knowing which meme

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<v Speaker 2>stock is going to pop and buying it before it pops.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the insider that knows the answer to that question.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why, that's who the sec would be talking to.

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee that when you're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About manipulate, manipulate the price of a stock. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot right now. I mean, forget the memes, we

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody stocks right now that are at all time

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<v Speaker 1>highs and continue to push higher. The question is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how much further can these stocks go before there's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a natural pullback that we that we see

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<v Speaker 1>in stocks. And I'm not one of these individuals that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get on people too hard, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when they go after stocks at all time highs? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they do that with anything else in their life? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they go buy cars but only if they're high enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Or clothes? No, they got to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>higher before I buy those. I understand we're talking about investments,

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<v Speaker 1>but the whole bit is it's it's totally different than

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<v Speaker 1>what we look at on any other type of purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going through the roof, and we still want to

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<v Speaker 1>buy it instead of waiting for there to be a

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<v Speaker 1>pullback and then buying it at a discount making a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal of money. Like Warren Buffett and so many

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<v Speaker 1>others do.

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<v Speaker 2>Well daytrade fund dot coms where you find Jay Ratliffe,

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<v Speaker 2>you can learn how to trade stocks and avoid these pitfalls.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll probably get an email maybe an or so

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<v Speaker 2>from now, telling Jay telling me how much money he

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<v Speaker 2>made while we were having this conversation. Jay ra No,

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<v Speaker 2>I get a kick out of it. Honestly, Jay, So

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>A kick might be the right word if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to kick me, But yeah, no, I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Give your hard time anytime. Hang on, brother, We got

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<v Speaker 2>aviation things to talk about, and I got an update

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<v Speaker 2>here an interesting allegation regard of the Indian aircraft incident

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<v Speaker 2>that Boeing crash. So we'll talk about that right out

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<v Speaker 2>of the gate and get to the topics that he

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<v Speaker 2>provided me. Just don't go away, be right back, Hey

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eightif about Kercity Talk station Bryan Thomins. When I

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<v Speaker 2>heard med aviation thing for Jay Ratler, I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a long, slong before we finally get

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<v Speaker 2>the final report on the Indie aircraft investigation, the June

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<v Speaker 2>twelfth craft that involved the engine cut off, and the

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<v Speaker 2>question is swirling around that NTSP investigator Greg Fith quoted

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<v Speaker 2>as saying, it has become very apparent, especially now with

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<v Speaker 2>information I know and what's come out of the cockpit

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<v Speaker 2>voice recorder where the question is heard, why did you

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<v Speaker 2>cut off the fuel? That somebody had to have seen

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<v Speaker 2>that action to make the statement, So you just wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a dual engine failure. He said, something had to

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<v Speaker 2>prompt that type of comment. Now we get to the

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<v Speaker 2>psychology part of it, and that's really where this investigation

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<v Speaker 2>is going to go. And oh, by the way, it's

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<v Speaker 2>no longer an accident, it's investigated as a criminal event.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the direction this Air India crash has turned.

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<v Speaker 2>They had another separate investigation. Apparently there was nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with the fuel control switches. They worked and operated properly, so,

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, they couldn't just be bumped into and

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<v Speaker 2>switched off. Given the mechanics of the switch that prevent

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<v Speaker 2>that from happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you and I talked about how you have to

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<v Speaker 1>grab the switch, pull it up it's the spring loaded,

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<v Speaker 1>put it back over the what the middle bumper thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>and then slide it back down into the position either

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<v Speaker 1>on or off. And it's a deliberate type of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you would consciously do. It wouldn't be something that

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<v Speaker 1>you could bump and accidentally happen. And since it's the

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<v Speaker 1>switch that act allows the fuel to flow to the engine, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you want it to be designed that way and it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So the investigation comes out and they give us the

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<v Speaker 1>initial kind of briefing from the cockpit voice recorder showing

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the pilots had said to the other,

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<v Speaker 1>without naming which one said it, why did you shut

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<v Speaker 1>off the engines as far as the fuel flow? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and pass The other one replied, I did not, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you kind of hear the raised concern and then panic.

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<v Speaker 1>They're turned back on. But the aircraft is such a

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<v Speaker 1>low altitude you don't have time for both engines to

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<v Speaker 1>fully respond. One was in the process of responding, but

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<v Speaker 1>not enough to provide the necessary lift, the second one

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<v Speaker 1>not quite yet. So now you're looking at the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of an accidental oops, I did that, or a deliberate

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<v Speaker 1>type of situation. Apparently it was the first officer that

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<v Speaker 1>was in charge of the aircraft itself, so the captain

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<v Speaker 1>with fifteen thousand flight hours would have been monitoring everything.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have been the one that I suspect that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been the one that might have accidentally intentionally,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know, switched the fuel off to both engines

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<v Speaker 1>because the first officer would have been involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft itself as far as flying it, so we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you get into intentions or what might have happened,

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<v Speaker 1>anything outside of hard, critical evidence, Brian, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be impossible for us to determine exactly what happened here.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the saddest part is because the captain was

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<v Speaker 1>preparing to retire so he could spend time with his

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<v Speaker 1>ailing father and nothing that at least initially suggests any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a mental distress. He had issues with his

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<v Speaker 1>mom passing a few years before that required some assistance,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, I certainly don't fault anybody for that,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people that I've talked to in

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<v Speaker 1>the pilot to community are saying, it's really unfair for

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<v Speaker 1>us to get this small little snippet from the cockpit

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<v Speaker 1>voice recorder instead of the entire recording, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>the transcript so that we can see exactly what was

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<v Speaker 1>transpiring before that might have alluded to a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more of this. So it raises a lot more questions.

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<v Speaker 1>But the sad reality is absent of a very clear

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<v Speaker 1>mechanical situation or something else, we don't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and that means that we're not going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to honor the lives of those that were killed by

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<v Speaker 1>learning and making aviation safer. It's going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>big fat question mark over this because we're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to give it our best assessment on what

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<v Speaker 1>might probably happen. And when you're talking about the all

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<v Speaker 1>star teams that are involved in this type of an investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>they want specifics, they want answers, they want both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of that balance sheet to come out. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>can't provide an answer for a question, it just it

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<v Speaker 1>means forever we're not going to know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, and maybe that's a a sound reason

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<v Speaker 2>for putting video cameras in cockpits, so there's no speculation

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<v Speaker 2>as to who did what and when. Yes, the recorder

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<v Speaker 2>does indicate that the switch was turned off, but that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't answer the why question or who did it question

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<v Speaker 2>that we're talking about and struggling with here, which, as

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<v Speaker 2>you indicate, we'll probably never know.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Pilot's fight the camera in the cockpit, they

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<v Speaker 1>have fought that big time because they're saying it prevents

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<v Speaker 1>them or could be used against them in a non

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<v Speaker 1>accident type of thing for further later disciplinary action if

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<v Speaker 1>something is uncovered or seen or what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's what video cameras are for, Jay, And.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't own the airline that you work for.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that you necessarily have a say in this.

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<v Speaker 1>But the union's very powerful and they prevented this from happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that trucks have them, trains have them, other

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<v Speaker 1>types of transportation. You know, devices had those, but they've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to be kept out of the cockpit. And

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<v Speaker 1>to me, yeah, it would add another piece to the puzzle,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing us to see a better picture. And if safety

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<v Speaker 1>is really our number one priority, I'm sorry if it

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<v Speaker 1>defends pilots, I'm sorry if they find it uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Dan, I don't have any sympathy from them at

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<v Speaker 2>all on that standpoint. Were surrounded by Yeah, safety comes first,

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<v Speaker 2>the passengers come first. We're deserving of answers to questions

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<v Speaker 2>why the damn airplane fell out of the sky. That's

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<v Speaker 2>Air Egypt, it's some Malaysian aircraft. I mean, any number

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<v Speaker 2>of these, although I guess you couldn't find the video

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<v Speaker 2>recorder with the air Malaysian because they couldn't find the

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<v Speaker 2>damn plane anyway. Earlier, I guess we had an Antonov

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<v Speaker 2>eight and twenty four plane crash, Russian plane. I know

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<v Speaker 2>there were two early on details on this, But you

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<v Speaker 2>did see that was reporting a twin turboprop.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the aircraft itself was about fifty years old,

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<v Speaker 1>which normally is really an issue in the Enist States

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<v Speaker 1>because oh, yeah, fifty it's a twin engine in the

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<v Speaker 1>turboprop aircraft. But Brian, like, if I'm not talking Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about here in the United States. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>got an older airplane, it's constantly being rebuilt, the engines,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, every aspect of it. Now, when we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a Russian plane that old, who knows. Because they've

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<v Speaker 1>had a situation with replacement parts and things that have

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<v Speaker 1>been in part because of the embargo. They've had a

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<v Speaker 1>very hard time finding parts because when the war with

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine broke out, there were a lot of suppliers that

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<v Speaker 1>stopped selling them replacement parts, so they had to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of candle up campbalize parts from other aircraft hoping that

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<v Speaker 1>they would fit kind of thing, what have you. But

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<v Speaker 1>on this particular one, there's a video of the aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>apparently in operation over the mountains moments before the crash,

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<v Speaker 1>and there did not appear to be any indications of

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<v Speaker 1>operational distress. Both engines seem to be running, no smoke

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the aircraft anything like that, but apparently crashed

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<v Speaker 1>had a total of forty three passengers six crew members,

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<v Speaker 1>The video of the wreckage site. Uh, I mean there

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<v Speaker 1>But h I don't know exactly what that cause was.

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<v Speaker 1>But Brian, I don't think you could consciously get me

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<v Speaker 1>onto a Russian airport of any kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Anywhere fair enough. They're keeping them in the air of

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<v Speaker 2>the way Boeing manufactures them, going to the spare parts

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<v Speaker 1>Would connect those dots. But I can tell you that,

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<v Speaker 2>Low order a priority for Jay Ratlift. Let's pause and

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<v Speaker 2>bring you find out what text? What is a Family

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<v Speaker 2>on the Fly program? We'll talk about that a couple

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<v Speaker 2>more topics where we part company this morning, stick around,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, eight fifty here fig about their CD

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Ratliffe. Jay, flipping over to some topics you provided

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<v Speaker 2>Family on the Fly program. The TSA did this. What's this?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a separate line for families screening line at the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's going to be a trial situation first

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<v Speaker 1>or rolling it out in Charlotte and I believe Orlando

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<v Speaker 1>where those with families can go to this specific line.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a little bit more room as parents many times

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<v Speaker 1>much whatever, and it's going to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>slower of a process. But what it does it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gets everybody that's flying with kids over in one spot,

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<v Speaker 1>slow things. Now. It's a great move from the TSA.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it's one of those things like ge, why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't we think about this before? Because it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>us through the security checkpoint. And it's a really good

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<v Speaker 1>one because it's going to make things a little bit easier,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with people flying with kids. I know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times those of us with kids, if they start

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<v Speaker 1>well received. Again, those two airports first and then after that,

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<v Speaker 2>Out, all right, Well, I kind of had I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you about this Delta regional jet and had

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<v Speaker 2>to what duck, dip, dodge, dive and duck to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way of a B fifty two bomber.

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<v Speaker 2>What's what happened here?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the B fifty two was doing a fly by

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the local airports made aware of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>the case here because apparently the regional jet was where

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<v Speaker 1>it should be should have been, and the military aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>was flying on its predetermined and approved flight path. So

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you have the regional pilots the

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<v Speaker 1>Delta Commuter regional jet look up and they see this

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft off to the side, thing of WHOA, what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here? Weren't expecting that, and there was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of confusion from air traffic control. The there which

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<v Speaker 1>is not better employees. It's a separate company that manages

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<v Speaker 1>that particular one on exactly the course that the regional

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<v Speaker 1>that took the initiative to take that airplane in essence,

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<v Speaker 1>fly back behind the B fifty two as it passed,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a pretty severe bank when you listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the passengers that were on board the flight, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they turned around and got back in line

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<v Speaker 1>and land, and when they did, the Delta pilot came

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<v Speaker 1>on board and told the passengers, okay, here's why we

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<v Speaker 1>had to do what we did, and was very transparent,

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<v Speaker 1>and the people on board the flight were very appreciative

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<v Speaker 1>of that because they knew something had happened, they just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what. And the captain of it was its

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<v Speaker 1>Endeavor Air. It's a flight operating as a Delta connection.

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<v Speaker 1>The captain explained, look, that's not normal, that normally doesn't happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and apologized for some of those anxious moments. But you know, again,

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<v Speaker 1>a very good job and we can learn from this,

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<v Speaker 1>which again makes aviation safer absent of anybody getting hurt

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<v Speaker 1>or killed, and that's always a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I imagine it shocked the hell out of when

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<v Speaker 2>the piles looked over and saw a B fifty two

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<v Speaker 2>right there, Well that plane.

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<v Speaker 1>That are looking at the window saying I can see

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good angle when he was banking that bad boy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, these men and women that the fly

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's a situation where you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>they did a good job. And again there was a

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown in communication somewhere. I S'll just have to find

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<v Speaker 1>out where it was at. But you know, we're so

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<v Speaker 1>so not so far removed from that January since situation

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<v Speaker 1>where we have the helicopter crash of the helicopter in

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<v Speaker 1>the regional aircraft is like, you know, who shut her?

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go again. But you know, it ended well

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna learn from.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it like for travel out there today? Air travel?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, from a thunderstorm stampoint, we get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of storms. They're going to be like you know, giving

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<v Speaker 1>as from a hut standpoint, not really much out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Those afternoon aggravating thunderstorms that are popping up all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place that are slowing things down by thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes, but Brian, they're minimal. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>picked today to fly, you picked a good one. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just keep your seat belt on. It's not dangerous, just uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, get to the airport early because we got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that are flying.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Rall, thanks so much for the time you spent

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<v Speaker 2>my listeners and me every Thursday, and best of health.

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<v Speaker 2>Loved you and your better half. I'll look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>next Thursday and another great discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian my feelings as well, So I have a great

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<v Speaker 1>thank you brother.

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