Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a cockpit before it?
Speaker 2: Hey, thirty two on a Thursday means it's time for
Speaker 2: iHeart Media aviation expert Jay rat Left, Jay Ratliff, Welcome back,
Speaker 2: my friend. Always enjoy talking to you.
Speaker 1: Good morning. It's it's a meme stock week. You know
Speaker 1: the memes are backs.
Speaker 2: Oh, I read a couple of articles about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, just leave them alone. Krispy Kreme open
Speaker 1: Door Coles. Yeah, they've been flying up. That social media
Speaker 1: frenzy is what drives them up. And Brian, a few
Speaker 1: people make a great deal of money, but most everybody
Speaker 1: else loses and loses a lot. So if you see
Speaker 1: the headlines, just avoid that emotional tug and leave it
Speaker 1: alone because they're not good They're not good news.
Speaker 2: Isn't it the case that once you see it in
Speaker 2: the news, that's whatever meme stock is going through the
Speaker 2: roof that you've already missed the opportunity, and if you
Speaker 2: invest any money in it, you're going to be in
Speaker 2: a downward trajectory in terms of your return.
Speaker 1: That's about it. Because it's a pump and dump for
Speaker 1: a reason. Yeah, and that's exactly what happens. And you
Speaker 1: know you hear your friend bragging about how much money
Speaker 1: he made, which may or may not be true, and
Speaker 1: you feel like you've missed out. So even though the
Speaker 1: stock's up, you know, four hundred and eighteen percent, you know, Brian,
Speaker 1: it could go up more. So I'm going to put.
Speaker 2: Money in it's right.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, it's just that fear of
Speaker 1: missing out, that emotional it just tug is just too
Speaker 1: much for some people. And you just walk away and
Speaker 1: leave me alone. I remember Game Stop four years ago,
Speaker 1: that was trading eighteen nineteen dollars a share and it's
Speaker 1: peaked a few days later. It was five hundred and
Speaker 1: some dollars in pre market before it just came crashing down.
Speaker 1: It's just it's insane. Just just leave me alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess the key is knowing which meme
Speaker 2: stock is going to pop and buying it before it pops.
Speaker 2: Who's the insider that knows the answer to that question.
Speaker 1: That's why, that's who the sec would be talking to.
Speaker 2: I guarantee that when you're talking.
Speaker 1: About manipulate, manipulate the price of a stock. But it's
Speaker 1: a lot right now. I mean, forget the memes, we
Speaker 1: have somebody stocks right now that are at all time
Speaker 1: highs and continue to push higher. The question is, you know,
Speaker 1: how much further can these stocks go before there's some
Speaker 1: sort of a natural pullback that we that we see
Speaker 1: in stocks. And I'm not one of these individuals that
Speaker 1: you know, get on people too hard, but you know,
Speaker 1: when they go after stocks at all time highs? Do
Speaker 1: they do that with anything else in their life? Do
Speaker 1: they go buy cars but only if they're high enough?
Speaker 1: Or clothes? No, they got to be a little bit
Speaker 1: higher before I buy those. I understand we're talking about investments,
Speaker 1: but the whole bit is it's it's totally different than
Speaker 1: what we look at on any other type of purchase.
Speaker 1: It's going through the roof, and we still want to
Speaker 1: buy it instead of waiting for there to be a
Speaker 1: pullback and then buying it at a discount making a
Speaker 1: great deal of money. Like Warren Buffett and so many
Speaker 1: others do.
Speaker 2: Well daytrade fund dot coms where you find Jay Ratliffe,
Speaker 2: you can learn how to trade stocks and avoid these pitfalls.
Speaker 2: And I'll probably get an email maybe an or so
Speaker 2: from now, telling Jay telling me how much money he
Speaker 2: made while we were having this conversation. Jay ra No,
Speaker 2: I get a kick out of it. Honestly, Jay, So
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: A kick might be the right word if you want
Speaker 1: to kick me, But yeah, no, I just.
Speaker 2: Give your hard time anytime. Hang on, brother, We got
Speaker 2: aviation things to talk about, and I got an update
Speaker 2: here an interesting allegation regard of the Indian aircraft incident
Speaker 2: that Boeing crash. So we'll talk about that right out
Speaker 2: of the gate and get to the topics that he
Speaker 2: provided me. Just don't go away, be right back, Hey
Speaker 2: thirty eightif about Kercity Talk station Bryan Thomins. When I
Speaker 2: heard med aviation thing for Jay Ratler, I know it's
Speaker 2: going to be a long, slong before we finally get
Speaker 2: the final report on the Indie aircraft investigation, the June
Speaker 2: twelfth craft that involved the engine cut off, and the
Speaker 2: question is swirling around that NTSP investigator Greg Fith quoted
Speaker 2: as saying, it has become very apparent, especially now with
Speaker 2: information I know and what's come out of the cockpit
Speaker 2: voice recorder where the question is heard, why did you
Speaker 2: cut off the fuel? That somebody had to have seen
Speaker 2: that action to make the statement, So you just wouldn't
Speaker 2: have a dual engine failure. He said, something had to
Speaker 2: prompt that type of comment. Now we get to the
Speaker 2: psychology part of it, and that's really where this investigation
Speaker 2: is going to go. And oh, by the way, it's
Speaker 2: no longer an accident, it's investigated as a criminal event.
Speaker 2: So that's the direction this Air India crash has turned.
Speaker 2: They had another separate investigation. Apparently there was nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with the fuel control switches. They worked and operated properly, so,
Speaker 2: in other words, they couldn't just be bumped into and
Speaker 2: switched off. Given the mechanics of the switch that prevent
Speaker 2: that from happening.
Speaker 1: Well, you and I talked about how you have to
Speaker 1: grab the switch, pull it up it's the spring loaded,
Speaker 1: put it back over the what the middle bumper thing is,
Speaker 1: and then slide it back down into the position either
Speaker 1: on or off. And it's a deliberate type of thing
Speaker 1: that you would consciously do. It wouldn't be something that
Speaker 1: you could bump and accidentally happen. And since it's the
Speaker 1: switch that act allows the fuel to flow to the engine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want it to be designed that way and it is.
Speaker 1: So the investigation comes out and they give us the
Speaker 1: initial kind of briefing from the cockpit voice recorder showing
Speaker 1: that one of the pilots had said to the other,
Speaker 1: without naming which one said it, why did you shut
Speaker 1: off the engines as far as the fuel flow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and pass The other one replied, I did not, and
Speaker 1: then you kind of hear the raised concern and then panic.
Speaker 1: They're turned back on. But the aircraft is such a
Speaker 1: low altitude you don't have time for both engines to
Speaker 1: fully respond. One was in the process of responding, but
Speaker 1: not enough to provide the necessary lift, the second one
Speaker 1: not quite yet. So now you're looking at the possibility
Speaker 1: of an accidental oops, I did that, or a deliberate
Speaker 1: type of situation. Apparently it was the first officer that
Speaker 1: was in charge of the aircraft itself, so the captain
Speaker 1: with fifteen thousand flight hours would have been monitoring everything.
Speaker 1: He would have been the one that I suspect that
Speaker 1: would have been the one that might have accidentally intentionally,
Speaker 1: we don't know, switched the fuel off to both engines
Speaker 1: because the first officer would have been involved in the
Speaker 1: aircraft itself as far as flying it, so we don't know.
Speaker 1: And when you get into intentions or what might have happened,
Speaker 1: anything outside of hard, critical evidence, Brian, it's going to
Speaker 1: be impossible for us to determine exactly what happened here.
Speaker 1: And that's the saddest part is because the captain was
Speaker 1: preparing to retire so he could spend time with his
Speaker 1: ailing father and nothing that at least initially suggests any
Speaker 1: sort of a mental distress. He had issues with his
Speaker 1: mom passing a few years before that required some assistance,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I certainly don't fault anybody for that,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people that I've talked to in
Speaker 1: the pilot to community are saying, it's really unfair for
Speaker 1: us to get this small little snippet from the cockpit
Speaker 1: voice recorder instead of the entire recording, as far as
Speaker 1: the transcript so that we can see exactly what was
Speaker 1: transpiring before that might have alluded to a little bit
Speaker 1: more of this. So it raises a lot more questions.
Speaker 1: But the sad reality is absent of a very clear
Speaker 1: mechanical situation or something else, we don't know for sure,
Speaker 1: and that means that we're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to honor the lives of those that were killed by
Speaker 1: learning and making aviation safer. It's going to have a
Speaker 1: big fat question mark over this because we're just going
Speaker 1: to have to give it our best assessment on what
Speaker 1: might probably happen. And when you're talking about the all
Speaker 1: star teams that are involved in this type of an investigation,
Speaker 1: they want specifics, they want answers, they want both sides
Speaker 1: of that balance sheet to come out. And when you
Speaker 1: can't provide an answer for a question, it just it
Speaker 1: means forever we're not going to know what happened.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and maybe that's a a sound reason
Speaker 2: for putting video cameras in cockpits, so there's no speculation
Speaker 2: as to who did what and when. Yes, the recorder
Speaker 2: does indicate that the switch was turned off, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't answer the why question or who did it question
Speaker 2: that we're talking about and struggling with here, which, as
Speaker 2: you indicate, we'll probably never know.
Speaker 1: So in Pilot's fight the camera in the cockpit, they
Speaker 1: have fought that big time because they're saying it prevents
Speaker 1: them or could be used against them in a non
Speaker 1: accident type of thing for further later disciplinary action if
Speaker 1: something is uncovered or seen or what have you.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what video cameras are for, Jay, And.
Speaker 1: If you don't own the airline that you work for.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you necessarily have a say in this.
Speaker 1: But the union's very powerful and they prevented this from happening.
Speaker 1: I know that trucks have them, trains have them, other
Speaker 1: types of transportation. You know, devices had those, but they've
Speaker 1: been able to be kept out of the cockpit. And
Speaker 1: to me, yeah, it would add another piece to the puzzle,
Speaker 1: allowing us to see a better picture. And if safety
Speaker 1: is really our number one priority, I'm sorry if it
Speaker 1: defends pilots, I'm sorry if they find it uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Oh Dan, I don't have any sympathy from them at
Speaker 2: all on that standpoint. Were surrounded by Yeah, safety comes first,
Speaker 2: the passengers come first. We're deserving of answers to questions
Speaker 2: why the damn airplane fell out of the sky. That's
Speaker 2: Air Egypt, it's some Malaysian aircraft. I mean, any number
Speaker 2: of these, although I guess you couldn't find the video
Speaker 2: recorder with the air Malaysian because they couldn't find the
Speaker 2: damn plane anyway. Earlier, I guess we had an Antonov
Speaker 2: eight and twenty four plane crash, Russian plane. I know
Speaker 2: there were two early on details on this, But you
Speaker 2: did see that was reporting a twin turboprop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the aircraft itself was about fifty years old,
Speaker 1: which normally is really an issue in the Enist States
Speaker 1: because oh, yeah, fifty it's a twin engine in the
Speaker 1: turboprop aircraft. But Brian, like, if I'm not talking Russia,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about here in the United States. If you've
Speaker 1: got an older airplane, it's constantly being rebuilt, the engines,
Speaker 1: I mean, every aspect of it. Now, when we're talking
Speaker 1: about a Russian plane that old, who knows. Because they've
Speaker 1: had a situation with replacement parts and things that have
Speaker 1: been in part because of the embargo. They've had a
Speaker 1: very hard time finding parts because when the war with
Speaker 1: Ukraine broke out, there were a lot of suppliers that
Speaker 1: stopped selling them replacement parts, so they had to kind
Speaker 1: of candle up campbalize parts from other aircraft hoping that
Speaker 1: they would fit kind of thing, what have you. But
Speaker 1: on this particular one, there's a video of the aircraft
Speaker 1: apparently in operation over the mountains moments before the crash,
Speaker 1: and there did not appear to be any indications of
Speaker 1: operational distress. Both engines seem to be running, no smoke
Speaker 1: coming from the aircraft anything like that, but apparently crashed
Speaker 1: into a mountain about nine miles from the airport. They
Speaker 1: had a total of forty three passengers six crew members,
Speaker 1: so a total we're total of forty nine souls on board.
Speaker 1: The video of the wreckage site. Uh, I mean there
Speaker 1: could be survivors, but we don't know because there's not
Speaker 1: much left. But it's just a situation where you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to reach where this was at, and they're
Speaker 1: going to get there and conduct the search and rescue
Speaker 1: and then it'll turn into a recovery mission after that.
Speaker 1: But h I don't know exactly what that cause was.
Speaker 1: But Brian, I don't think you could consciously get me
Speaker 1: onto a Russian airport of any kind.
Speaker 2: Anywhere fair enough. They're keeping them in the air of
Speaker 2: the way Boeing manufactures them, going to the spare parts
Speaker 2: pack that.
Speaker 1: Would connect those dots. But I can tell you that,
Speaker 1: I mean, their their safety record has just not been
Speaker 1: as comfortable as we would like it to be. And
Speaker 1: it's just it's a situation that it's just if I'm
Speaker 1: going to err on the side of caution and I'm
Speaker 1: going to and in every aspect that I can, getting
Speaker 1: on board a Russian airliner is just not something I'm
Speaker 1: going to do.
Speaker 2: Low order a priority for Jay Ratlift. Let's pause and
Speaker 2: bring you find out what text? What is a Family
Speaker 2: on the Fly program? We'll talk about that a couple
Speaker 2: more topics where we part company this morning, stick around,
Speaker 2: be right back. Fifty five KRC the talk station a neighbor,
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Speaker 2: talk station in Bronzana is doing this thing we call
Speaker 2: Aviation Day with I heard met the aviation next birth
Speaker 2: Jay Ratliffe. Jay, flipping over to some topics you provided
Speaker 2: Family on the Fly program. The TSA did this. What's this?
Speaker 1: It's a separate line for families screening line at the airport.
Speaker 1: It's a it's going to be a trial situation first
Speaker 1: or rolling it out in Charlotte and I believe Orlando
Speaker 1: where those with families can go to this specific line.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit more room as parents many times
Speaker 1: need with their kids traveling, and it's designed for people
Speaker 1: that are flying with families, maybe they haven't flown that
Speaker 1: much whatever, and it's going to be a little bit
Speaker 1: slower of a process. But what it does it kind
Speaker 1: of gets everybody that's flying with kids over in one spot,
Speaker 1: so that the men and women that are flying on
Speaker 1: business that kind of zip through security to do so
Speaker 1: without being behind a lot of people that maybe would
Speaker 1: slow things. Now. It's a great move from the TSA.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's one of those things like ge, why
Speaker 1: didn't we think about this before? Because it's going to
Speaker 1: be good for the families and it's going to be
Speaker 1: good for others as they kind of get through the
Speaker 1: security checkpoint. So I'm thrilled to see it. I think
Speaker 1: they've got another line that's being made available for the
Speaker 1: military as well. Those types of things. The TSA is
Speaker 1: always looking to try to expedite the process of getting
Speaker 1: us through the security checkpoint. And it's a really good
Speaker 1: one because it's going to make things a little bit easier,
Speaker 1: especially with people flying with kids. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of times those of us with kids, if they start
Speaker 1: to slow things back, we feel guilty because we're slowing
Speaker 1: the process behind us. This is going to alleviate some
Speaker 1: of that, and I think it's going to be very
Speaker 1: well received. Again, those two airports first and then after that,
Speaker 1: it's going to spread out to other airports across the
Speaker 1: country once some of the bugs it worked.
Speaker 2: Out, all right, Well, I kind of had I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask you about this Delta regional jet and had
Speaker 2: to what duck, dip, dodge, dive and duck to get
Speaker 2: out of the way of a B fifty two bomber.
Speaker 2: What's what happened here?
Speaker 1: Well, the B fifty two was doing a fly by
Speaker 1: over a fare and anytime that's done, they communicate that
Speaker 1: long in advance with federal AB's administration. Here's our plans,
Speaker 1: here's our flight plan. All of it's approved, and typically,
Speaker 1: you know, the local airports made aware of it, and
Speaker 1: you know everybody's on the same page. It was not
Speaker 1: the case here because apparently the regional jet was where
Speaker 1: it should be should have been, and the military aircraft
Speaker 1: was flying on its predetermined and approved flight path. So
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have the regional pilots the
Speaker 1: Delta Commuter regional jet look up and they see this
Speaker 1: aircraft off to the side, thing of WHOA, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? Weren't expecting that, and there was a little
Speaker 1: bit of confusion from air traffic control. The there which
Speaker 1: is not better employees. It's a separate company that manages
Speaker 1: that particular one on exactly the course that the regional
Speaker 1: jet needed to take, and it was the Delta captain
Speaker 1: that took the initiative to take that airplane in essence,
Speaker 1: fly back behind the B fifty two as it passed,
Speaker 1: and it was a pretty severe bank when you listened
Speaker 1: to the passengers that were on board the flight, and
Speaker 1: you know, they turned around and got back in line
Speaker 1: and land, and when they did, the Delta pilot came
Speaker 1: on board and told the passengers, okay, here's why we
Speaker 1: had to do what we did, and was very transparent,
Speaker 1: and the people on board the flight were very appreciative
Speaker 1: of that because they knew something had happened, they just
Speaker 1: didn't know what. And the captain of it was its
Speaker 1: Endeavor Air. It's a flight operating as a Delta connection.
Speaker 1: The captain explained, look, that's not normal, that normally doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: and apologized for some of those anxious moments. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: a very good job and we can learn from this,
Speaker 1: which again makes aviation safer absent of anybody getting hurt
Speaker 1: or killed, and that's always a good thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I imagine it shocked the hell out of when
Speaker 2: the piles looked over and saw a B fifty two
Speaker 2: right there, Well that plane.
Speaker 1: That are looking at the window saying I can see
Speaker 1: the ground straight down because they were tipped I mean
Speaker 1: a pretty good angle when he was banking that bad boy.
Speaker 1: But you know, these men and women that the fly
Speaker 1: these planes are I mean a lot of them are
Speaker 1: former military and very well trained, and you know, they
Speaker 1: just respond, they react and they don't sit there and think.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a situation where you know, they
Speaker 1: do what they need to do and they understand they've
Speaker 1: got other people's lives at their you know, in their hands,
Speaker 1: and they've got to do everything that they can to
Speaker 1: protect the people, the souls on board the aircraft. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they did a good job. And again there was a
Speaker 1: breakdown in communication somewhere. I S'll just have to find
Speaker 1: out where it was at. But you know, we're so
Speaker 1: so not so far removed from that January since situation
Speaker 1: where we have the helicopter crash of the helicopter in
Speaker 1: the regional aircraft is like, you know, who shut her?
Speaker 1: Here we go again. But you know, it ended well
Speaker 1: and we're gonna learn from.
Speaker 2: It real quick.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: What's it like for travel out there today? Air travel?
Speaker 1: You know, from a thunderstorm stampoint, we get a lot
Speaker 1: of storms. They're going to be like you know, giving
Speaker 1: New Orleans and Des Moines, Iowa Ago. But as far
Speaker 1: as from a hut standpoint, not really much out there.
Speaker 1: Those afternoon aggravating thunderstorms that are popping up all over
Speaker 1: the place that are slowing things down by thirty to
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, but Brian, they're minimal. So if you
Speaker 1: picked today to fly, you picked a good one. There's
Speaker 1: going to be some turbulence out there as you fly,
Speaker 1: just keep your seat belt on. It's not dangerous, just uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And yeah, get to the airport early because we got
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are flying.
Speaker 2: Jay Rall, thanks so much for the time you spent
Speaker 2: my listeners and me every Thursday, and best of health.
Speaker 2: Loved you and your better half. I'll look forward to
Speaker 2: next Thursday and another great discussion.
Speaker 1: Brian my feelings as well, So I have a great
Speaker 1: thank you brother.
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