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Speaker 2: So you know, it's great stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know, something happened to me yesterday and I got

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to thinking, and I would love to hear from you.

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I'd like to, you know, hear what your even your

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veterinarian would do. And that issue was this that I

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get later in the day. I'm just about to leave

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the office. I'm trying to take it easy because I,

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like an idiot, was out snowboarding last weekend and I

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ended up kind of hitting a patch of ice on

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the wrong spot and went down, and the way I

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tried to break my fall, which probably wasn't the brightest

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thing in the world, I ended up cracking a rib.

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to take it easy.

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Speaker 3: It hurts when I laugh, and I'm trying not to laugh,

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and for me, that's a challenge. So I've been trying

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to get out of here like on time so I

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can kind of rest. And one of my clients comes

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in and here's the scenario, and it happens way too often.

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Speaker 2: What would you do?

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Speaker 3: She sees this dog walking the streets in not such

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a great area but not bad, but there was a

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lot of traffic, two major thoroughfares coming together. The dog

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looked like it was wandering, so she gets out of

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her car and it was a big chocolate labrador and

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she realizes as she's watching it, the dog doesn't appear

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to be able to see, and sure enough she catches

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his dog. It is sweet as can be, finds her

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face cards, giving her kisses on the face, and in

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fact is blind, a blind lab So she brings it

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to the office. We're officially closed already, but we were

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all there and we checked for a microchip. Of course,

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no microchip.

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Speaker 2: The dog is probably six to seven, maybe even eight

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years of age.

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Speaker 3: Was an actually pretty darn good shape. I mean it

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was the coat was a little dirty, found some foxtails

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on the coat, a little cyst on the foot. But

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I mean this dog, as you're examining and checking out,

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he is just giving licks. So a really sweet dog

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and as one would expect, sadly no ID, no microchip,

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no collar, no nothing.

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Speaker 2: So now what I.

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Speaker 3: Mean you can't You can't let the dog back on

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the street, are you kidding? Certainly be hit by car.

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it is very challenging because most of the I mean,

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if you take this dog tor shelter, six seven year

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old blind labrador, unless you have a no kill shelter,

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enough condition that it was not wandering the streets because

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for a long time, because if it were, it wouldn't

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be alive, because there's no way with this dog can't see.

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care to put an ID tag on it or microchip,

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their dog, which is a problem. And if you call

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one of the rescue groups, and we have a lot

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of great rescues, and I'm sure most cities have wonderful

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rescue groups, what's going to happen. Well, they're going to say, oh,

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we'd love to help you. We can maybe do our

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adoption fares on the weekend, but we have no place

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Speaker 2: So now what so, I mean, where do you think

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Speaker 3: Right now, the dog is in my hospital and the

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woman who found the dog is trying to to put

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some posters up and talk to some people in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a it's a.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good sized chocolate labrador, so I mean, it's not

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like it fell through the cracks, And I just curious

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to know what would you do? Would you pick it up?

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a shelter? Would you try to raise money to at

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least cover some costs of housing the dog? I mean,

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what I told her is that I'll certainly work with her,

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and we give great rescue rates to cover the cost

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of housing the dog. And I would I have some

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empty KDE space, so I would be the quote unquote

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foster family until they can find somebody. But what's the

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fate of this dog really going to be? And what's

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the best way to approach it, what's the best way

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to handle it? And how many of you have your

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friends or veterinarians that they know that will be willing

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or able, just space wise to provide an electra cade

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space while they try to put all this together. So

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it is, you know, it's a very challenging scenario because

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you feel badly. I can't you know, I can't not

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do anything. I would hope that most veterinarians are not

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going to sit back and say, oh, sorry, it's not

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not my problem. So once you drop me a note,

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give me a call at eight seven seven three eight

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five eight eight A two. I want to hear what

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you have to say. Eight seven seven three eight five

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eight eight A two live with doctor Jeff and tell

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me what would you do? What would you think your

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veterinarian would do? And by the way, anyone who might

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know anybody who might provide a temporary home for this

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fantastic sweet labrador who just unfortunately can't see it would

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Speaker 2: Another thing that.

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Speaker 3: I uh, while I'm waiting for your questions and your

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phone calls.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: I also I got a call from a person, a

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random person, and they actually listened to the show and

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they heard me on the show, and that a dog

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who it's sort of like an age old question.

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Speaker 2: Their dog has been doing a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Licking, licking on everything, including licking him, and the dog is.

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Speaker 2: Not typically a liquor, he says.

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Speaker 3: And he noticed that every time we would let the

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dog outside, the dog would try to vomit. It would

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go and eat, and then he would often vomit. And

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his question to me was, do dogs eat grass so

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it will make them vomit? Do they actually know that

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if I eat this grass now, fifteen twenty minutes, half

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hour later, whatever it's going to be, I'm gonna throw up.

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In other words, it is my vehicle through which to

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induce vomiting, so I can hopefully vomit up that which

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is causing my irritation, nausea, etc. And I have my

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take on it. I'm just curious to know what people think.

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Do dogs eat grass to make them vomit?

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Speaker 2: To make themselves vomit? Do they truly know that? It?

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Speaker 3: Very often will make them vomit, and if so, how

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they learn who taught them.

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious to know what you think. I have

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my theory and.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna check that theory out in a little bit.

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But let me first give you some time to get

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back to me here on pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: And it's easy. You can just send me a.

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Speaker 3: Little note, doctor Chef at Petlife radio dot com or

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four o'clock Eastern time at eight seven seven three eight

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five eight eight eight two. I am here today, here

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next Thursday, but off tomorrow morning four Orlando to the

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North American Veterinnight Conference.

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Speaker 2: This sort of starts the year. It's our first conference of.

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Speaker 3: The year and we go literally practically back to back

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to back. We have a big one coming up next

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month in Las Vegas, the Western Veterinaright Conference.

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Speaker 2: Then we have March we have.

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Speaker 3: The American Animal Hospital Association meeting, and I have the

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pet Expo, the Global pet Expo because of pet products,

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and that's a huge one back in Orlando, and then

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in May I'll be in.

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Speaker 2: DC for the Central Veteright Conference called.

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Speaker 3: The CVC East, where I'll be speaking there, and so

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a lot going on. And anyway, North American in Orlando

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a great, great show, arguably you know, the largest day.

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There's alway that battle between the North American Veteran Conference

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every January in Orlando and the Western Veterinary Conference every

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February in Vegas, which is bigger. I guess we're bosed

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down to is where would people rather go in January

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and February? And do they want to go to Orlando?

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lot of the families, you know, younger events coming with

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Speaker 2: And then in Vegas in February, it's.

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Speaker 3: People trying to get away from their families and they

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want to go to Vegas and maybe do a do

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a little gambling, maybe make some money out of the thing.

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You know, talk about a great way to write off

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you not only get to write off the trip, but

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hopefully you come back with you more than you left with.

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But they're both fantastic conferences, world class speakers, and there's

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really really you know, a lot, a lot to learn,

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a lot to go through. And the venues are fantastic.

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We're going to be at the Gaylord and at the

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Marriotte World Center. What's so amazing about this show used

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to always beat the Marriotte, and as it grew, it got,

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you know, and bigger, And the Gaylord is a you know,

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was a relatively newer hotel and they had a huge, huge,

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beautiful exhibit hall. It was better suited for the enormity

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of this conference. And then they started but it got

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so big that they actually needed the lecture halls in

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both locations. And now it's gotten so big that they

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So this show is in two hotels, each with their

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Speaker 2: The exhibit halls are huge.

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Speaker 3: The Gaylord is the main and then there's sort of

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the annex. But interestingly, talking to a lot of the vendors,

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they prefer the smaller exhibit hall at the original hotel,

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the Marriott, because it's less overwhelming, so people that go

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through are actually willing to spend a little more time.

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And then there are a lot of large companies that

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have booze it both halls. Now that's how crazy and

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how large this show is. I don't know, it's something

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like when you think of everybody combined, it's something like

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fifteen thousand people converging in our It's just amazing. So anyway,

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now that's a great show. So once again, I want

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to hear from you. I want to hear what you

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think about animals, dogs, especially eating grass in order to vomit.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back. You're here with doctor Jeff live at

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Speaker 3: Astebets with Dotor Jeff and before the break, talking about

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first while I'm off to a Lando Too Big conference,

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but I got a phone call, you know, earlier, and

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we were the guy. We were talking about a dog

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who was going outside to eat grass, kept licking his

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lips and the question was, and the question still is,

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when dogs eat grass, do they know it's going to

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make them vomit? Are they eating grass because it's going

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to make them vomit and they want to vomit?

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Speaker 2: What is the deal?

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Speaker 3: How much credit do we give the dogs? Here's my theory,

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mind you, this is my theory only, and I would

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love to hear from you or others who want to

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give us their theories or discuss this, so please feel

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free got me at eight seven seven three eight five

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here on our page ask the bets with doctor Jeff,

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is here at petlife radio dot com. Now here is

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my theory. Let's talk about, first of all, the issue

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of the licking. Licking frequently sometimes swallowing with a little

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more difficulty. We call it hard swallowing. Those are signs

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of nausea, no doubt. Those are signs. The dogs that

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seem to be nauseous, that seem to want to vomit

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will often do so. Clearly, this dog's probably nauseous, possibly

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wanting to vomit. So the owner lets the dog outside.

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The dog goes outside and starts chowing down on grass.

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So now the big question was he chowing down in

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the grass because he wanted to vomit. We know something

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from behavior and it's called avoidance therapy, and it works

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like this. If a dog eats something that is going

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to cause them to vomit, typically within ten minutes, when

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given the option to eat that again, they will avoid it.

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They don't like the idea of vomiting. So therefore, when

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they eat something that they make the direct association that

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it's going to make them vomit, they often will avoid

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it next time. So understanding avoidant's therapy right there tells

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me that very likely when dogs run out and eat grass,

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they are not doing it to make them vomiting, because

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if they knew it was going to make them vomit,

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they probably wouldn't eat the grass because they don't like

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the vomiting. Now, what about grass, though, here's my theory.

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, if you have ever munched on grass,

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grass especially, you know a lot of grasses are actually sweet.

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The taste of chlorophyll can be a little soothing. And

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when dogs eat grass, they usually don't vomit for at

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least fifteen to twenty minutes later. I mean, rarely do

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they eat it and vomit right away. So because it's

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had to sit there. It's like any kind of leafy

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vegetable things that might make them vomit. It's not a toxin,

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it doesn't's not something that's a gastric irritant. The problem

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is it sits there and they can't digest it. It

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doesn't it often doesn't pass through, and then all of

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a sudden it'll make them vomit. Well, if it's over

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the ten minutes or whatever. Now the dog no longer

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makes the association that the reason he's vomiting is from

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that which he something eight. Because it's been too long now,

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he doesn't remember or link the two together, the eating

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the grass and the vomiting. So the voidant therapy concept

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is forget about out the window. So I personally believe

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that dogs eat grass because they like it. It does

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soothe them if they have a little upset stomach and

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if they're a little nauseous, and they will continue to

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do it. And when it does or if it does

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make them vomit, they don't put the two and two together,

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and they don't realize that it was because of the

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grass that they vomited. They got the quick fix from

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the grass, they got the sweet taste, they got the moisture.

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It sues them a little bit, and that's why they

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eat the grass. So that's my take on it. I

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am so curious to hear what you think and any

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of you behavior people out there, if you want to

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come and throw your two cents in, I would love

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to hear it. And that is at eight seven seven

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three eight five eight eight A two and you can,

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as they said, you can throw me your two cents in.

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So also last week we talked about the insane cold

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weather throughout our country, of course, except La where it

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was eighty four yesterday and I knew people going to

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the beach or I understand in South Florida it's in

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the seventies and nice and mild, so a few places

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in this country that are rather fortunate. But how has

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it been. I would like to know how the rest

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of the country has been faring.

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Speaker 2: I would hope.

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Speaker 3: That come that it's not still fifty degrees below zero

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in Minneapolis or twenty degrees below zero with wind chilled

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down in Chicago. So I would like, you know, it's

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another good reason to give us a call or send

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me a note and let me know. Are you guys

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faring any better?

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Speaker 2: How your pets did? Do they do? Okay? A are

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they you know? Have you changed your lifestyle?

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Speaker 3: That's really really what's important to know and to share

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with some of our other listeners. Does it change their lifestyle?

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Did you change their lifestyle? Have they adapted for the

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hopefully less time they're spending outside alone given the fact

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that it is, it's still pretty cold.

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Speaker 2: Out there, So you know, what do you do? What

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would you do?

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Speaker 3: And I think that would be a nice thing to know.

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And I still haven't heard from anybody, what is going

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on with what you or your vets? What would you

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do you find a stray dog running on the street,

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and you know now what, You're gonna bring it into

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your vet, You're gonna take it in, You're gonna pay

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for it. You have friends that would help you raise

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some money. Do you know some rescue groups that have room?

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What would you do for any dog lover out there?

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We have a dog in today. One of our rescue

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groups literally found this guy beating literally terribly. She said

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she was ready to run the guy over with her car.

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She said, I'd probably have to bail her out of jail,

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but she literally scared this guy away. And the guy

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was kicking this down dog as shepherd.

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Speaker 2: And the dog is here now with us. He is

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so sweet.

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Speaker 3: He was in so much pain from being kicked in

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the rump and his hips and his tail that when

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you touched it back there he would start to cry.

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That is just unbelieve to me this day and age,

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that there are people out there that would even consider

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abusing a dog like that, and that is just terrible.

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But anyway, this dog is we're calling him for a

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lack of a better name, right now Jack And uh

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so we're gonna clean him up a little bit. He's

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got a bad leg and this dog is going to

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the rescue group has been They took some video.

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Speaker 2: They posted a video on this dog.

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Speaker 3: And when this video is available, this dog will get

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adopted in like two seconds because a sweetest can be

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and be when you see what this poor dog had

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been through, you would love to provide a home for

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a dog like this. I mean it's badly as this

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dog was treated and is untrusting as this dog should be.

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Speaker 2: He still wants to cuddle up.

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Speaker 3: And when you stick your nose in your face in

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his face, he just wants to just rubing into you

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and cuddle.

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Speaker 2: It is unbelievable. And this is this is really sweet. Oh.

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Speaker 3: Another thing, this is very rare, but you know, we've

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learned so much about another a condition that's an old condition.

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Are used to be called FUS feline eurologic syndrome. We've

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re've named it FLUTD. A little bit more specific to

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the problem called feline lower urinary tract disease.

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Speaker 2: And this was a much more of a problem.

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Speaker 3: Oh twenty years ago when we knew less about felines,

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their diets, what makes them create or developed crystals and stones,

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and how much less we knew then than we do

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now about the prevention through diet, through fresh water, through

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eliminating stress, etc. So therefore the problem of the severely

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blocked cat, and by that I mean they get like

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a urethral plug or crystal or stone that, especially in

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the males, that creates the situation where they cannot urinate.

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And we often had to do a surgery of old

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that was a called a PU, a peroneal yourthrostomy to

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open up the males lumbing like to be that of

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a female. Opening up make the urethra a bit wider, larger,

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so the crystals and the sludge can flow through more easily.

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And we don't have to do that very often anymore,

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I have. How weird is it? Two cats, both very

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good size, large orange males, sitting in cages side by side,

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Both came in within two days of each other blocked. Fortunately,

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both doing well.

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Speaker 2: We're going to.

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Speaker 3: Probably avoid the PU surgery we've already avoided on one.

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We did have to go in and take a stone

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out of the bladder. The other one is doing great

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pull the catheter. So far urinating freely, but there are

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a lot of new factors that we have to talk

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to owners about and you should know that that stress, anxiety,

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water intake, exercise, diet all play major roles. And the

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fact that the male plumbing at the narrow tip of

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the penis is much narrower than the female the vaginal

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opening up the urethra. Male and female cats seem to

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suffer from flutd equally. It's the male that typically has

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the problem simply because of the narrower urethra at the end,

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causing a lot more difficulty trying to pass this sludge.

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But we used to think that the issue is minerals

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or ash content. That is a way over simplification. It's

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not necessarily the ash, it's the pH that the urine

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is left with the breakdown of these minerals, and certain

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mineral salts that leave the urine basic are more dangerous

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than the salts that leave the urine more acidic because

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in an acid urine environment, stones and crystals seem not

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to form. So check with your veterinarian, check about diet,

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and it's maybe stay away from some of a lot

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of dry foods. I mean, some dry food is fine,

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but always check with your vata, especially if your cat,

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especially if your male cat has been having problems, what

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you can do at home to help minimize the problems

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of feline lower urinary tract disease. So, anyway, once again,

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in our half hour is running away from us. I

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I'd love to see you call this this week. Send

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me an email to doctor Jeff at doctor Jeff dot com.

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That's Drjeff at Drjeff dot com or Drjeff at petlife

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radio dot com and kind of let me know what

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you think about this whole vomiting thing and eating grass

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and if all is well, and we will hopefully see

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you back here next week at the cards to give

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us a call eight seven seven three eight five eight

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eight eight two and I will report back to you

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when I return from the North American Venterne conference next Thursday.

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Speaker 1: See you then, Let's talk pets every week on demand

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