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<v Speaker 1>Hi, This is Mike Carley from Loudon, Tennessee, and I

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<v Speaker 1>play at Telecool Village Tokua golf Course.

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<v Speaker 2>This was Golf Smarter number nine hundred and sixty three.

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<v Speaker 3>During my twenties, in addition to being an avid golfer,

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<v Speaker 3>I also played a lot of billiards, including some competitive billiards.

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<v Speaker 3>I was living in New York City at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can imagine there's some good pool players out

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<v Speaker 3>that way, and I had the chance to play for

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<v Speaker 3>the first time on what's called a tight pocket table.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a descriptive name because it's tight pockets, and so

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<v Speaker 3>what they've done is they've put wood shims into the

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<v Speaker 3>sides of the pool pockets to shrink it by probably

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<v Speaker 3>a half inch on both sides until it's fairly bigger

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<v Speaker 3>than a pool ball. It's really challenging. You miss a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of shots. It's very exacting, but as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>you switch over to a regular pool table, you feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you can't miss it. Almost feels like cheating. The

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<v Speaker 3>pockets just feel so big. For sure. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>experience was floating around somewhere in the back of my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Simplify and fine tune your putting practice and warm up

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<v Speaker 2>with Potter Cup by Matt Davis. This is Golf Smarter

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<v Speaker 2>sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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<v Speaker 2>help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's your host, Fred Green. A little heads up about

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<v Speaker 2>this episode before we begin, because there's more today than

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<v Speaker 2>what you're expecting. When I first recorded today's episode, it

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<v Speaker 2>felt a little shorter than what I usually deliver. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's what we're going to do this week. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to feature two guests on two different topics, which is

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<v Speaker 2>going to make this episode a little longer than usual.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope that's okay. But it's a podcast, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>posit at any time right now. If you remember, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of months ago, PXG sponsored Golf Smarter to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about their new Black Ops driver. I went out for

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<v Speaker 2>a fitting, recorded it, and then used that recording to

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<v Speaker 2>create the ads that ran in the podcast. Well, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago, I was very pleased to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from my agency that PXG has renewed for another run

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<v Speaker 2>once again. PXG invited me back out for another fitting,

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<v Speaker 2>this time for Fairway Woods, A Hybrid and Irons. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I can honestly say that part of my love of

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<v Speaker 2>doing this podcast is I get some pretty cool perks

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<v Speaker 2>along the way. But here's what I wanted to explain.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned so much from the fitter Brandon and found

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<v Speaker 2>the fitting process to be so interesting that I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to share it with you now. Next week the PXG

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<v Speaker 2>campaign is going to begin. But what I'm including in

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<v Speaker 2>today's episode is completely my choosing, and in no way

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<v Speaker 2>did PXG or my agency just that I do this,

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<v Speaker 2>nor am I getting any extra compensation for including this

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<v Speaker 2>in the episode. The full fitting was about ninety minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've cut it down to under thirty so you

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<v Speaker 2>won't hear a lot of ball striking or downtime, and

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<v Speaker 2>much of our conversation was tightened up to remove the

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<v Speaker 2>dead space. I learned a lot during the fitting and

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<v Speaker 2>felt it was worthy because I'm pretty sure you'll get

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<v Speaker 2>something out of it too, especially if you've never been

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<v Speaker 2>fitted for clubs, which could make a huge difference in

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<v Speaker 2>your game. This is my fourth club fitting since I

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<v Speaker 2>started playing golf in the late nineties, and each time,

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<v Speaker 2>as my game progressed and I've learned more about how

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<v Speaker 2>to be a better, smarter, golfer through the podcast getting

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<v Speaker 2>fitted definitely improve my game. But for now, welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt oh Fred.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an honor to be here. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for having me today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's my honor to have you on the show

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<v Speaker 2>because I love talking to people with unique and interesting ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you get an idea that's as like slap

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<v Speaker 2>the forehead, Why didn't I think of that idea? Is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you did, and this is something your product

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<v Speaker 2>now sits in. I'm just teasing this, but your product

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<v Speaker 2>is now in my golf bag for all the time

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<v Speaker 2>because when I get to warm up for around, I

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<v Speaker 2>use these because it does help. What we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>is a brand you've created called Putterer Cup. Please explain

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<v Speaker 2>putter Cup for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it was a tough name to come up

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<v Speaker 3>with because it's it's not necessarily a cup, but it

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<v Speaker 3>certainly is part of putting. And so I can I

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<v Speaker 3>have them here and I can show them to you.

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<v Speaker 3>We currently have two products that are out in market

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<v Speaker 3>today a third one that's coming down on the pipe

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<v Speaker 3>pretty hot. But these are golf hole inserts, so they

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<v Speaker 3>are there to be inserted into a golf hole, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're really based on this premise that it's my personal

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<v Speaker 3>belief that putting doesn't need to be overly physical, overly mechanical.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very simple act, but we can complicate it

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<v Speaker 3>pretty quickly, and so these are really meant to be

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<v Speaker 3>counter to that. And so one of them is called

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<v Speaker 3>the speed bump, and I'll hold it up so you

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<v Speaker 3>can see. It creates this three hundred and sixty degree

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<v Speaker 3>raised incline around the golf hole, which does a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of things. It forces you to make sure you're not

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<v Speaker 3>leaving it short. Primarily, that's kind of one of the

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<v Speaker 3>big ones, as you're thinking, I have to hit it

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<v Speaker 3>hard enough because there's this little bit of resistance. But

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<v Speaker 3>then there's the secondary benefit of because it's this three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and sixty degree ridge, if it's offline at all,

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<v Speaker 3>it can also get deflected, even if you have, say

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<v Speaker 3>the right speed. And so once you're standing over a putt,

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<v Speaker 3>especially the short ones like six feet in under, and

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<v Speaker 3>your knees might start knocking. This is meant to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of help clear the noise and give you something really

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<v Speaker 3>simple to think about, which is I'm going to just

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<v Speaker 3>try and get it over this bump. So that's one

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<v Speaker 3>of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say that the Golf Smarter community is

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<v Speaker 2>probably aware of these products because you actually were an

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<v Speaker 2>advertiser on Golf Smarter, and we appreciate that very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have talked about how one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>parts about a training aid that doesn't it doesn't require

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<v Speaker 2>batteries or it doesn't require you to plug it in

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<v Speaker 2>at night or download anything. It's just a putting aid

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<v Speaker 2>that is simple, concise, and pretty easy to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as you get your hands on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'm a golfer. I've been planning for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 3>At various times I've gotten the handicapped down to single digits,

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<v Speaker 3>depending on nice where I'm at with my family life,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The profession of things, the fact that you get to

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<v Speaker 2>play golf, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Which I hope to play more of here in the

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<v Speaker 3>near future. But I've I've purchased training aids as much

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<v Speaker 3>as anybody. And I grew up without a ton of

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<v Speaker 3>formal golf instruction, but I was largely self taught, give

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<v Speaker 3>or take a little bit of guidance. During the summers

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<v Speaker 3>when I'd get to visit my grandfather, which is whom

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<v Speaker 3>I learned from, but certainly no formal instruction when it

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<v Speaker 3>came to putting. The biggest lesson I ever got was

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<v Speaker 3>firm in the back of the cup, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>usually when we were playing, you know, for a nickel

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that, and i'd have before.

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<v Speaker 2>Your grandfather was gambling with you.

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<v Speaker 3>We play match play for five cents a hole. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that was by the time I was That was that

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<v Speaker 3>was by the time I was probably a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so then you had a nickel? Yes, wait wait

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<v Speaker 2>and if you if you he beat you, did you

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<v Speaker 2>have to pay up?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and made you pay.

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<v Speaker 3>By then, more often than not, I was winning. And

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<v Speaker 3>he had a dime that he kept on his bureau

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<v Speaker 3>until the day he passed. And it was one of

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<v Speaker 3>the one of the days that he took it from

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<v Speaker 3>me and he let me know about it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Great story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but not a ton of formal instruction, and certainly

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<v Speaker 3>not when when it came to putting, even full swing.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really get a ton of instruction until my

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<v Speaker 3>adult life and got into the world of trying out

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<v Speaker 3>training aids and the ones that I that I tried

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<v Speaker 3>with putting were reflective of what's out there today. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of it is focused on either getting you to

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<v Speaker 3>stand a certain way or to take back the putter

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<v Speaker 3>just a certain way and have kind of a uniform

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<v Speaker 3>arc to your putt, all in the name of trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get it started on your starting line perfect. But

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<v Speaker 3>the more I used those, the more I would find

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<v Speaker 3>myself frozen on the actual first screen because all of

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<v Speaker 3>those visual things were not there anymore. Or you have

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<v Speaker 3>to set them up in just such a certain way

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<v Speaker 3>that you're taking the same put over and over and over,

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<v Speaker 3>which might help you groop a putting stroke, but you

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<v Speaker 3>rarely get the same putt twice once you're on the

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<v Speaker 3>golf course. And so they didn't they didn't stick with me,

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<v Speaker 3>and oftentimes I felt like I was thinking more about

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not I was taking it onto the golf course,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wasn't thinking about the objective that was in

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<v Speaker 3>front of me, which was you got to get it

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<v Speaker 3>into that hole, or if you can't get it into it,

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<v Speaker 3>make sure it's a very easy tap in. And so

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<v Speaker 3>these training aids potter Cup kind of reflects that that

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<v Speaker 3>upbringing that approach to putting, which is it's it's it

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<v Speaker 3>should be simple. You know, you can hand a kid

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<v Speaker 3>a putter and within minutes they'll start figuring it out

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<v Speaker 3>without a lot of formal instruction.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a golf smarter listener. And it was it was

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<v Speaker 3>just a few weeks ago that you replayed I took

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<v Speaker 3>a note. It was an episode with mister Manzoni uh

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<v Speaker 3>where he kind of gave a bit of a speech

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<v Speaker 3>on putting and the importance of keeping it natural and

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<v Speaker 3>not trying to manufacture anything. And while I never had

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<v Speaker 3>the honor of meeting the man, I think he would

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate and agree with some of the key design principles

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<v Speaker 3>that I had in place with these, because it's really

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<v Speaker 3>so far away from mechanics or trying to manufacture a stroke,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really more about just making more putts with

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<v Speaker 3>whatever stroke you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I apologize to the audience for both of

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<v Speaker 2>us holding up visuals for an audio podcast, So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>continue to do our best to describe exactly what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. What I'm holding here is probably one of

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<v Speaker 2>the early iterations of this. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct? Yeah, So I am a I'm not out

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<v Speaker 3>of my garage. So I can't officially sam a garage startup,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, I am a what can be called

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<v Speaker 3>a solopreneur, an entrepreneur, solo kind of stepping out to

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<v Speaker 3>this world on my own. And yes, so I went

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<v Speaker 3>through the process of working with computer assisted design firm

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<v Speaker 3>so that I could get my three D renderings kind

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<v Speaker 3>of ready for manufacturing and kind of learning all about

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<v Speaker 3>how to translate that into injection molding and some of

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<v Speaker 3>the limitations that come with you know, how small of

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<v Speaker 3>a shape you can make and produce reliably. And so, yes, Fred,

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that I sent you back a few months ago,

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<v Speaker 3>that was of our our first batch, our soft launch batch,

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<v Speaker 3>reflecting kind of V one version one of the design,

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<v Speaker 3>and we do have our second wave coming. We did

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<v Speaker 2>Well. The thing that I am so attracted to this

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<v Speaker 2>is guy like talking to solopreneurs as one myself. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always curious, like, where did the idea come from?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you decide? Oh wait a minute, this is

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there were there were two kind of more

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<v Speaker 3>probably a half inch on both sides, until it's barely

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<v Speaker 3>bigger than a pool ball. And I remember, it's really challenging.

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<v Speaker 3>You miss a lot of shots, It's exactly, it's very exacting,

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<v Speaker 3>so for sure, I think that experience was floating around

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<v Speaker 3>owners over the years. They're wonderful guys. But when they

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<v Speaker 3>first opened, they had these tiny cups, just like a

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<v Speaker 3>tight pocket table. It felt like they were barely big

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<v Speaker 3>enough for the golf ball to get into, really, and

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that after having played there a few times.

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<v Speaker 3>Once I was out on the golf course, I was

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<v Speaker 3>visualizing their cups because it was so exacting, and I

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of I think, just again, those are like

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<v Speaker 3>visual representations things that I've experienced that I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>that's just, you know, that's always that's always been part

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<v Speaker 3>golf I've been planned since I was thirteen. I could

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<v Speaker 3>never stop. I love it too much. And so certainly

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<v Speaker 3>those two parts of who I am have floated, floated

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<v Speaker 3>around for a long time. And then I had the

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<v Speaker 3>chance to just be lucky in my life. My wife

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<v Speaker 3>grew up doing professional ballet, and I had the chance

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<v Speaker 3>to watch her, coming out of the pandemic, start a

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<v Speaker 3>trade has been market research, corporate market research for almost

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years, which has functioned as a great slow cooker

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<v Speaker 3>for some of these kind of inner ambitions of learning

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<v Speaker 3>how to kind of take something that's an idea and

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<v Speaker 3>put it all the way through into how you bring

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<v Speaker 3>something to market. And so there were these aspects of

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<v Speaker 3>life that were happening, and then I'd had these kind

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<v Speaker 3>of design inspirations for you know, what can help make

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<v Speaker 3>people better at something just by concentration. And so it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was November of twenty twenty two. We have two

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<v Speaker 3>young kids, and one of my kids woke up that night.

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<v Speaker 3>I was feeling ill, so we attended to him, and

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<v Speaker 3>before I could fall back asleep, just the idea for

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<v Speaker 3>the speed bump popped into my mind. I reached over

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<v Speaker 3>and kept my wife from falling back asleep. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>to me, wife. But I said, hey, I think I

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<v Speaker 3>just had an idea for something that I think any

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<v Speaker 3>golfer could use. You don't have to be a scratch,

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<v Speaker 3>you can be just starting out. You could be any

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<v Speaker 3>age because it operates on this principle that putting is

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<v Speaker 3>ninety percent mental and you will make more putts just

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<v Speaker 3>by concentrating and keeping your mind clear a bit more.

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<v Speaker 3>And it started with the speed bump. Over the next

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<v Speaker 3>few days it kind of morphed into the second product,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the center cup, which is more of a

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<v Speaker 3>traditional whole reducer. There's no kind of bump to it

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<v Speaker 3>or anything. It just shrinks the size of the hole

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<v Speaker 3>by an inch, so it's a bit more like a

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<v Speaker 3>tight pocket table design. I can tell you I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>whole reducers out there. This is not the first whole

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<v Speaker 3>reducer that's existed. The thing I like about it, though,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to figure out how to insert something into a

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<v Speaker 3>golf hole is not as straightforward as you might think,

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<v Speaker 3>because there's variation in what's out there in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And so with my first crack at it, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>to myself, well, a golf hole is four and a

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<v Speaker 3>quarter inches. They're all four and a quarter inches, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I'll make the speed bump fit in a golf

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<v Speaker 3>hole that's four and a quarter inches. Well, that's not

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<v Speaker 3>exactly true. Depending on what course you play at, you

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<v Speaker 3>might have varying cup styles, particularly on the practice screens,

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<v Speaker 3>and some golf courses have cups that go right up

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<v Speaker 3>flush to the surface of the ground. There's no gap

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<v Speaker 3>for a potter cup to fit into. And so that

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<v Speaker 3>was a good learning and you'll be happy to hear,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm happy to get you a V two where

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<v Speaker 3>we've adjusted that kind of base portion of the product

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<v Speaker 3>so that can fit into any golf hole, including you

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<v Speaker 3>know the ones that, for example, indoor golf facilities might

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<v Speaker 3>have a turf practice you can use potter cups there

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<v Speaker 3>as well, and so it addresses that issue because those

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<v Speaker 3>almost never are the full four and a quarter inch

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<v Speaker 3>golf right.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the first thing I did, is I've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about that. I have a practice putting green in

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<v Speaker 2>my backyard and I went right to it and just

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<v Speaker 2>tried to reduce the size of the hole, just to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that my entry point, you know, is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more concise.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, And so I've heard you mentioned a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of times you recently switched over to the DF three

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<v Speaker 3>from LAB.

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<v Speaker 2>I two have, and now you're doing a DF three

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<v Speaker 2>on the broomstick.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have the broomstick.

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<v Speaker 2>I just moved over to it. I've just played a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of rounds with it, and I really like it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a complete lab rat. So yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to ask if you'd heard that term, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>what some some friends of mine are now calling us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Actually they're even now have merch with the labrat

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<v Speaker 2>logo on it, and my my putter headcover is the

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<v Speaker 2>lab rat the labor Yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with that term, but I went early

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<v Speaker 2>on with with Sam Hun I had mentioned I'm, you know, labrat.

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<v Speaker 2>I just mentioned it. Whether that's stuck or you already

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<v Speaker 2>knew it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So my experience has has mirrored yours with that,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's easier to kind of roll the putt where intended,

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<v Speaker 3>right the start line. And so I'd like to think that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, putter cups help you train your eye and

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<v Speaker 3>get your eye where you want it to go and

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<v Speaker 3>then hopefully you have putter that you can consistently get

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<v Speaker 3>it on your start line. And I don't mean to

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<v Speaker 3>put down any of the other training aims. I think

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<v Speaker 3>anything that helps you do the same thing, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 3>over and over again, will help. Right, it's whatever your

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<v Speaker 3>stroke is. As long as you're comfortable, your grip feels comfortable,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can reliably kind of get it on that

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<v Speaker 3>start line every time, all the more power to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I just in my experience, I felt like I was

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<v Speaker 3>fighting my natural putting stroke more than more than I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, let me say right now, let me congratulate you,

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<v Speaker 2>because the one thing that I've noticed in all these

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<v Speaker 2>years of talking to solopreneurs who have an idea is

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to have a supportive partner at home,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you're trying to develop something and grow it

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<v Speaker 2>and build it from nothing, from just an idea that

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<v Speaker 2>you had. Once you start hearing the fingers tapping on

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<v Speaker 2>the desktop or on the you know, on I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean computer desktop, I meant like on the kitchen table.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, once you start hearing the noise like this, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you've done yet, did you get your job, your la

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<v Speaker 2>las out. You know, are you are you ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to work? If you have somebody who's not

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<v Speaker 2>doing that, you're way ahead of the game. It's really

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<v Speaker 2>critical to have that support at home.

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<v Speaker 3>I am very lucky and she can relate. Ballet is

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<v Speaker 3>obviously a very different business than a golf training aid,

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<v Speaker 3>but she can relate in so many ways. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>an amazing time to be doing this. I mentioned right like,

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<v Speaker 3>I've had that kind of drive since I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>But the resources that are out there, even if it

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<v Speaker 3>had been twenty years ago, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 3>would have been able to make the kind of progress

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<v Speaker 3>that I have in the time that I have, just

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, you can pop open a web browser

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<v Speaker 3>and partner with so many different people with different areas

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<v Speaker 3>of subjects matter expertise, whether it's computer design, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>prototype three D printing, even finding manufacturers, it's all. It's

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<v Speaker 3>all out there. It just requires diligence patients, and like

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<v Speaker 3>what can happen when you find out every golf hole

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<v Speaker 3>is not exactly four point two five inches some course

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<v Speaker 3>correction and some learning at thrink.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand you do some work up in the Seattle

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<v Speaker 2>area with First Tea.

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<v Speaker 1>I do I do that cup?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it I got to know?

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<v Speaker 3>I got to know First Tea largely through the first

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<v Speaker 3>chapter of my career. There's a pretty prominent First Tea

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<v Speaker 3>fundraising scramble that happens once a year in October up here,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've played in it for ten years, eleven years,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's always the same folks from the First Tea

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<v Speaker 3>are there every year, and so we've kind of become

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<v Speaker 3>acquaintances that way. We recognize each other every year. And

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<v Speaker 3>I placed just so much value and appreciation for their

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<v Speaker 3>mission and what they do, because I would have been

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<v Speaker 3>the perfect kid to participate in it had it existed

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<v Speaker 3>where I grew up. So I grew up called Waterbury, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>And why would you been a great candidate for First Team?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as I understand it, it supports areas where kids

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily have the resources to go heavy into golf.

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<v Speaker 3>And I loved golf and I was lucky. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we never were short of food on the table, but

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<v Speaker 3>finances were always a tension in my family. And so

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<v Speaker 3>my first set of clubs was a set of Hogan

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<v Speaker 3>Edge forged Irons, from the late eighties. It was a

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<v Speaker 3>set of hand me downs from my grandfather. That was

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you pay for those No, No.

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<v Speaker 3>Except for that dime exactly bureau from from beating me

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<v Speaker 3>in match play. And then my high school was lucky

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<v Speaker 3>to have six kids to have a golf team, uh

424
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<v Speaker 3>and a volunteer teacher to coach it. And I used

425
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<v Speaker 3>coach very generously, wonderful man, but in no position to

426
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<v Speaker 3>teach any of us how to play golf. It was

427
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 3>more of like a supervisory type Roland So but I

428
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<v Speaker 3>loved I loved golf and would have been there had

429
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<v Speaker 3>the first he existed in the area where I grew

430
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<v Speaker 3>up and benefited from the lessons of golf growing up.

431
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<v Speaker 3>It's it's definitely part of my part of my DNA.

432
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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you that's.

433
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<v Speaker 2>What I love about doing that work. I mean, I've

434
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<v Speaker 2>now for the last couple of months, I've been coaching

435
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<v Speaker 2>on first tea when I'm not traveling, and it's to me,

436
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 2>it's not so much teaching young kids and I'm working

437
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>with six to ten year olds on how to play golf.

438
00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to teach them the values that the golf

439
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:20.079
<v Speaker 2>in parts so that you can be a better person. Yeah,

440
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>and I think that golf has a lot of lessons

441
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<v Speaker 2>like that.

442
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I decided pretty early on that if there

443
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<v Speaker 3>was an opportunity to partner with the First Tea with

444
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Potter Cup, I would want to do it. I believe,

445
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I believe in companies that do good and do well,

446
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:43.759
<v Speaker 3>and so for now it's it's pretty simple and straightforward.

447
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 3>We just donate five percent of our sales to the

448
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 3>First te so that the more we grow, the more

449
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 3>we can support them. Who knows what the future might

450
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:57.279
<v Speaker 3>hold in terms of growing that partnership, but for now

451
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 3>it was a great start and I do I value

452
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 3>what they do for kids so much so if I can,

453
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 3>if I can help them to do that, I absolutely

454
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<v Speaker 3>want to.

455
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.160
<v Speaker 2>That's phenomenal. Are you open to suggestions on ideas for this?

456
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely for putter Cup, because I.

457
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Have one suggestion, and you know, I've talked to so

458
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:22.359
<v Speaker 2>many different golf instructors, especially love talking to people about putting.

459
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.799
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that even when I was

460
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 2>getting my tutorial from Sam Hun about how to use

461
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the broomstick, he was going to suggest because we were

462
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.400
<v Speaker 2>talking about pace, right, because it's not just the line,

463
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>it's the pace as well. And something I think I

464
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 2>saw a video with Dustin Johnson talking about this and

465
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>why his putting got so much better, is that you

466
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>think of the hole as a clock face and the

467
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>direction you're coming from is six o'clock. But most holes

468
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>don't go in directly at six clock. Maybe they come

469
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:07.039
<v Speaker 2>in it five o'clock or seven o'clock. Right. So my suggestion,

470
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it's obvious where I'm going with this is marks,

471
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like twelve marks, just like a clock face,

472
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 2>so that you can aim for a specific mark to

473
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.279
<v Speaker 2>get the ball to roll intwo from that direction.

474
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<v Speaker 3>It's a great suggestion. I love it.

475
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're partners now.

476
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeay. One of my one of my favorite drills.

477
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll take that dime from your grandfather for that idea, okay, deal.

478
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.559
<v Speaker 3>One of my favorite drills to do actually with the

479
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 3>speed bump is to take twelve golf balls and make

480
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 3>a clock face.

481
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

482
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Speaker 3>And it's it's not a long but it's only three

483
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 3>and a half four feet and the goal is to

484
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 3>try and make all twelve. I've made it up to eleven.

485
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I have yet to make all twelve because it is

486
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 3>it is. It's tricky, you know, it makes it makes

487
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.119
<v Speaker 3>the effective size of the whole smaller. But I can

488
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 3>say that as soon as I take it out, I

489
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 3>do make all twelve regularly, which is which is the

490
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>ultimate gold.

491
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing to make the.

492
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 3>Real to make the real whole feel.

493
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I would do that drill frequently as well.

494
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 2>And when I was using my thirty three inch putter,

495
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I would just put the putter head in the cup

496
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 2>and then rotate it around, placing a ball at the end.

497
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 2>He just went, wow, you know what. I just realized,

498
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, with the broomstick putter. And they say,

499
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 2>is that inside the leather now forty inches long? Yeah,

500
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 2>that's in the leather.

501
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>We're good.

502
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they got a lot of gimmis coming your way.

503
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna my friends are gonna hate me for that one.

504
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you, well, we do to your point around feedback,

505
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 3>we do have a couple of exciting things coming down

506
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 3>the pipe. So one of the one of the things

507
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:01.799
<v Speaker 3>that's been the most encouraged as as this has has

508
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 3>gone along, as I've had folks from the industry reaching

509
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 3>out and so for example, I've had a number of

510
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:15.640
<v Speaker 3>PGA not touring pros, but PGA professionals, teaching professional teaching

511
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 3>professionals reach out and pick them up. And so to

512
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:26.799
<v Speaker 3>have folks who like yourself, have have seen probably everything

513
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 3>in the way of training aids, to have that kind

514
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 3>of positive feedback has been really really wonderful. But also

515
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:41.440
<v Speaker 3>retail channel. So I listened to your recent episode with

516
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 3>the co founder of Red Rooster, and you were asking

517
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 3>about direct to consumer versus the retail channel and just

518
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of the nature of the golf industry and how

519
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 3>to pick the right path for putter cup. Certainly, this

520
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 3>is something that I want to get onto store shelves.

521
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 3>That's where you know, so much of the golfing population

522
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.279
<v Speaker 3>is likely to see something for the first time and

523
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.920
<v Speaker 3>buy it. And so another great vote of confidence has

524
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 3>been actually retailers and distributors reaching out as well with

525
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 3>interest in potentially carrying putter cups. It's just another great

526
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of vote of confidence that people see something that

527
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 3>is on the rise and something that they want to

528
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 3>get involved with early on. So I wouldn't be too

529
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 3>surprised if within the next few months here you might

530
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>start seeing putter cups on store shelves and some retailers

531
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 3>near you. So that's that's been a great again, great

532
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 3>vote of confidence that we're in the right direction. Of course,

533
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned I'm doing this all myself, and that includes

534
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 3>learning how to create content, run ad campaigns on you know,

535
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:57.480
<v Speaker 3>whether it's Facebook or Instagram. And actually just this week

536
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 3>we had our first kind of video go viral. As

537
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.000
<v Speaker 3>of the last time I looked her up to eighty

538
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 3>five thousand views on a video of the speed bump

539
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 3>in action. Really simple video, just kind of showing how

540
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 3>it works. Right, anything too hard, too soft offline, it's

541
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 3>going to punish you a little bit, but it'll make

542
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 3>you better as soon as soon as it's not in

543
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:21.319
<v Speaker 3>the hole.

544
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 2>So is the PGA superstore or Worldwide Golf come to

545
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.319
<v Speaker 2>you and say, yeah, we'd like to put these. Let's

546
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.119
<v Speaker 2>start with a half a dozen of these in every

547
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>one of our locations. How's your supply chain? Can you

548
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>pull it off? Oh?

549
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.759
<v Speaker 3>Ready to go? Ready to yeah? Yeah, that's and that's

550
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of always been been the goal. I've had fun.

551
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 3>It's certainly been a lot of great learning to specifically

552
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.279
<v Speaker 3>how to describe them because they're different from other plutting training.

553
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 3>It's again, it's not about your stroke, it's not about

554
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>your stance. It's just you and the hole. As much

555
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 3>as the real thing is you can can get. And

556
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:06.480
<v Speaker 3>so yeah, we've onboarded a new manufacturer recently to increase

557
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I think the quality a little bit. We've got some

558
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 3>nice branding now silk screen printed right onto the products,

559
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 3>which makes it look real good. But we actually also

560
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:22.039
<v Speaker 3>have a third product, and personally selfishly but also because

561
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it works. All three of them have a

562
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.480
<v Speaker 3>distinct use case. But early on I realized not every

563
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 3>practice screen even punches golf holes anymore. Some of them

564
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 3>just put posts in the ground, and you know, to

565
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 3>each their own. Some people stick a tea in the

566
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 3>ground and put to a tee. But if a golf

567
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:43.640
<v Speaker 3>hole is something that you want to put to, and

568
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 3>certainly you need a golf hole to use the speed

569
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 3>bump in the center cup, those practice screens are kind

570
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 3>of off limits for Potterer cup. And so I realized that,

571
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 3>and so our third product, which I'll describe it to folks,

572
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 3>but it's essentially a portable golf hole. It's it kind

573
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 3>of looks like a silicone frisbee with a golf hole

574
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 3>cut out of the middle of it. But it employs

575
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 3>the same benefit as the speed bump of having that

576
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:14.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of raised edge around the outside. So you still

577
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 3>have to give it a little bit of speed, but

578
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 3>not too much or it bounces over it and it's

579
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 3>got to be online or else it'll get deflected. But

580
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.320
<v Speaker 3>now you can you can kind of get the benefits

581
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 3>of the speed bump anywhere. And so we're calling this

582
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 3>the to go cup. It's going to be you know,

583
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 3>part of what I think is going to be the

584
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 3>three pack is what you're going to likely see on

585
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 3>store shelf.

586
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>How deep is your to go cup? I mean, if

587
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>you if you hit it in and it goes in

588
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>the hole but it's a little bit strong, will it

589
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 2>bounce out and keep going or it will it is

590
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.679
<v Speaker 2>shallow enough that it will hold it steady.

591
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 3>So let me answer this a couple of different ways,

592
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 3>because like, let's say you're putting in your living room.

593
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:03.320
<v Speaker 3>If you have thicker carpet and that's what you're putting on,

594
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 3>this height of about three quarters of an inch is

595
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 3>very likely going to hold to itself. But if you're

596
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 3>on a practice putting green or like let's say you're

597
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 3>in a hotel room where your carpet is not as

598
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 3>thick and it's running a little bit faster, the same

599
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 3>speed would carry over the hole. And so one of

600
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 3>the things we've done to address that is, you know,

601
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned the speed bump. We updated it so that

602
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.559
<v Speaker 3>I could fit into any golf hole regardless of what

603
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.840
<v Speaker 3>the cup situation is. You can actually take the speed

604
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:38.920
<v Speaker 3>bump and plug it directly into the to go cup

605
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and so it actually adds it adds some height, and

606
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 3>it's you know, it's very precisely engineered that it's a

607
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, perfectly flat edged there. It creates that unbroken edge.

608
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:53.519
<v Speaker 3>So if you are on a faster surface where it

609
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 3>doesn't get to be too hard to pop it over

610
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 3>that to go cup, you can add the speed bumper

611
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Speaker 3>and it will give you that extra heighth thing you need,

612
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.880
<v Speaker 3>perfect perfect, And if you're feeling and if you're feeling

613
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:09.320
<v Speaker 3>really sadistic, you can also plug the center cup into

614
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 3>it as well, which would give you that three in

615
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 3>a quarter inch golf al instead of a four and

616
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 3>a quarter inch golf all. So they're meant they're meant

617
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 3>to compliment each other and really give you the chance

618
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.239
<v Speaker 3>to benefit. And a number of locations.

619
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to make sure that everybody knows that

620
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>it's puttercupgolf dot com. And when we were running the campaign,

621
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 2>you offered golf Smarter listeners twenty percent discount if they

622
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 2>use the checkout code golf Smarter. Is that still in effect.

623
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 3>It's still in effect, it's still awsome.

624
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 2>And what's your price points?

625
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so if you want to buy just one of them,

626
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 3>they all sell for seventeen ninety nine individually. We of

627
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.440
<v Speaker 3>course believe that each has its own benefit, and so

628
00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 3>ninety six percent, ninety six percent of our transactions are

629
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 3>what we call the pressure pot combo. It's both of them,

630
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.000
<v Speaker 3>both the speed Bump and the center cup. And with

631
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>that one's twenty nine ninety nine, so we've kind of rewarded,

632
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, folks who are buying both.

633
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, a great deal one and so.

634
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with that golf Smarter code and the twenty percent

635
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 3>off of that, you're you're getting down to I think

636
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 3>it's twenty four and then still TBD on what the

637
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.960
<v Speaker 3>three pack is going to cost at retail. That of

638
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:35.000
<v Speaker 3>course involves conversations with the stores as well, but I

639
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 3>do think that three pack is what you're likely to

640
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 3>see there. I think that the to go cup is

641
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 3>likely to have the most individual demand, and you know,

642
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<v Speaker 3>I should note if you want to be notified when

643
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 3>the to go Cup is publicly available, you can sign up.

644
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.239
<v Speaker 3>I've never sent to this day a single marketing email.

645
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 3>Yet I receive a lot of marketing emails, and so

646
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 3>I know what it's like to be on the receiving

647
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.159
<v Speaker 3>end of them, and I fully intend the first one

648
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.840
<v Speaker 3>I send to be the announcement that to go come.

649
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you tried anything like the kickstarter or anything like

650
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 2>that just to get the exposure and maybe even get

651
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.239
<v Speaker 2>some investment so that you can bring that one to

652
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>market faster.

653
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I have not yet.

654
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I've so far I've been able to navigate without having

655
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 3>to worry about outside investment. Personally, that's just by iterating small, but.

656
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 2>It's also a great way to get your exposure out

657
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>there and people.

658
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 3>It's a really good point.

659
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.599
<v Speaker 2>You're not looking that these aren't going to be partners

660
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>or just people who go, yeah, I want one of those,

661
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:40.920
<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna I'm going to buy it a little

662
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.159
<v Speaker 2>bit of a discount now until you get it out. Yeah.

663
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I heard I heard how how big of

664
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.079
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that was for Red Rooster.

665
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes it was, Yes, it was definitely, dude. Thank you

666
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 2>so much for sharing this with us and for coming

667
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 2>on the show to discuss it more fully. I really

668
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:00.639
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it, and we shall all the lock in the world.

669
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.920
<v Speaker 3>Thank you well, Thank thank you, Fred, and and thank

670
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 3>you for answering an email from you know, an upstart

671
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 3>golf entrepreneur several months back. You're just such a kind

672
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 3>ambassador for this game, and so I appreciate how gracious

673
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you've been and inviting me and keeping in touches. This

674
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 3>has happened over the last few months.

675
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Fred. I'm Brandon, Hi, Brandon Fitter here with PXG. Px's

676
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 1>always been ahead of the game as far as technology

677
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 1>with the Irons and definitely the Wedges, but it's fair

678
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>to say they've been a step behind all other manufacturers

679
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 1>with drivers until this Black OPS came out. It's just

680
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 1>like a world difference between like the past generations. They

681
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 1>don't even call it like Gen seven, to call it

682
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 1>complete rehaul of manufacturing engineering and the name of it right,

683
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>so it's called Black OPS they started with like pretty

684
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>much the same, very similar manufacturing process to Calloway. They've

685
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 1>always been really good drivers.

686
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 2>It was I was. I've been a Callaway driver guy

687
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:06.280
<v Speaker 2>for years.

688
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>It's very fair to be one. Pretty much all carbon design,

689
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 1>so the soul in the crown of the club is

690
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty much made all of carbon. So when that does

691
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 1>is saves the engineer weight so they can take that

692
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>extra weight and put it behind the face, making the

693
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>face super hot and super consistent. From what I've seen

694
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 1>in the base, definitely one of the best drivers in

695
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.639
<v Speaker 1>the market, if not the best market driver in the market.

696
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>So I'm glad you already have it. So I'm not

697
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.360
<v Speaker 1>doing driver? What about Woods? So we're doing I've been

698
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.679
<v Speaker 1>told it's everything from just no wedges, just irons, driver,

699
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>whatever you need. But you already have the driver.

700
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Well I have the driver, Okay, I have a so

701
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>call Away three wood and a five wood and a

702
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>four hybrid.

703
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

704
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm fascinated by many drivers.

705
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I wait for them to come out with it.

706
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm fascinating, and I would like to go all

707
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 2>the way down to gap Wedge.

708
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but not the highbrids and woods. Take a peak

709
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>of them.

710
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.480
<v Speaker 2>If if you know, if I could be a full

711
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>p X you bag, I'd do it.

712
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it all right. So you said you already

713
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>warmed up a little bit, Yeah, little bit.

714
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll take a couple more songs playing with now.

715
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>So interestingly, these tailor made Q eyes are less than

716
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.639
<v Speaker 2>three months old. Yep, so I've been playing with these

717
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 2>for about three months, and I if I got rid

718
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of him, it's like, okay, okay, I'm a ten point

719
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>nine index sixty nine years old, right, so things are

720
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 2>slowing down.

721
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:41.320
<v Speaker 1>You're a liar. You're forty nine years old. Thank you.

722
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 2>You're younger than both my children. I can tell you

723
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>right now.

724
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 1>How old do you think? I am?

725
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Thirty two?

726
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Correct?

727
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Good, guess right?

728
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 1>I look my age? Cool? Yeah, what is it?

729
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Twice week week?

730
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

731
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Cool?

732
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>And you got a net in the backyard?

733
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I do putting green like this. I'm a labrat. I

734
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 2>love lab golf.

735
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I can already tell we're gonna make a little bit

736
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>of improvement.

737
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Awesome. So how did you get to be Were you

738
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 2>trying to be a pro a professional golfer? Yeah?

739
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I was in sales and I was living

740
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles, so I was a car salesman by

741
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:27.159
<v Speaker 1>day and then by night I would do stand up comedy. Really,

742
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I was just so stressed out with life, I bet.

743
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>And then so I grew up playing golf. I grew

744
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 1>up playing all sports. I played college basketball, I played

745
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>high school golf.

746
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Where'd you go to college?

747
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Settle Back Junior College. Okay, yeah, they had a really

748
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>good sports program. I got to watch them win the

749
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>state championship from the view of the bench. Nice a

750
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>great view. But anyway, So I was in sales doing

751
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy and just like just a tense, stressed

752
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 1>human being not having a great time. And then I

753
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.480
<v Speaker 1>started playing golf again and I realized, like, bro, you

754
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>are so much more calmer of a human being on

755
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>a golf course. Like patient, It's like everything you need

756
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.599
<v Speaker 1>to be be a human. He's got a job at

757
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.280
<v Speaker 1>a golf course and at like a retail store, and

758
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>it was doing fittings there, and then from there I started.

759
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I got a brief job as like a demo tech

760
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.760
<v Speaker 1>with a different manufacturer, and then from there I was

761
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I worked for Club Champion, the fitting studio. We heard

762
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 1>of them. Yeah, So I was there for a number

763
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of years and then from there I jumped to PXG.

764
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Very cool, so I kind of like it's like, I

765
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>gotta be in the golf industry.

766
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Do you like PXG's product.

767
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I love it, honestly, So I've had a chance to

768
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>like see all the different brands and whatnot. B actually

769
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.719
<v Speaker 1>has stuff for the better like the tour pro player. Right,

770
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 1>we have blades and CBS, but for the amateur golfer,

771
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 1>even if you're a scratch golfer. I've met I've been

772
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 1>a guy that day is a scratch golfer and he

773
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>plays our XP's and most forgiving ahead because he's a

774
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit older and needs the distance. They definitely perform,

775
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 1>if not one of the best, definitely probably the best.

776
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>But the feel for our like our game improvement clubs

777
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>or our hollow body clubs, is unreal compared to like

778
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 1>the titleist T two hundred or those qis like those

779
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 1>to me, those feel very plastically, plastically and clickie to

780
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>where ours even though they're hollow, they're five times forged,

781
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>so it still has a nice buttery feel like a

782
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.840
<v Speaker 1>blade would, but has all the benefits of like a

783
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 1>game improvement club. I love pgs. I'm a too handicap,

784
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and I've hit more greens in regulation now that I

785
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 1>switch to PXG.

786
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited.

787
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's go over this a little bit.

788
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, carry number is.

789
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Definitely at one fifty. These aren't bad clubs for you.

790
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Seventy three mile an hour club speed. Not too concerned

791
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.480
<v Speaker 1>with that. That's how fast you swing the club, right, right,

792
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.639
<v Speaker 1>It's not good, bad, ugly, that's just how come to

793
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the realization.

794
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Look, if you want tit the ball farther, you've got

795
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 2>to increase. Your body strength is.

796
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Exactly fixed that the swing speed the gym or a

797
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.519
<v Speaker 1>time machine. Yeah, I don't tell either of those, so

798
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:52.639
<v Speaker 1>I am not concerned with that. What I'm concerned with

799
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.679
<v Speaker 1>is ball speed. Your ball speed is one hundred and

800
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 1>five miles an hour on average, So for swinging seventy

801
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 1>three miles an hour, five mile an hour ball speed

802
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:04.280
<v Speaker 1>is kind of fantastic, like out of this world. The

803
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 1>reason I say that is your smash factor. Now, smash

804
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 1>factor is going to be club speed divided by a

805
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>ball speed, So it's like how efficiently you're transferring an

806
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 1>energy from the club to the ball. PGA Tour average

807
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>for a seven iron be around one point three to seven, right,

808
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and you're exceeding that at one point four to three.

809
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.039
<v Speaker 2>And isn't like smash factor. One point five is the

810
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 2>ultimate goal, isn't that it?

811
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 1>That is the USGA legal limit on how hot a

812
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 1>club can be, and that's usually set. That's set for

813
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.360
<v Speaker 1>a driver. So if a driver gets tested at the

814
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 1>PGA Super Show and it starts showing up at one

815
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 1>five to four one five, the manufacturer has to pull

816
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 1>it from production and redesign it because they've made it

817
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 1>too hot.

818
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

819
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:41.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess a couple of years ago Wilson did that

820
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:43.440
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of killed their company for a couple

821
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of years because they've made a driver that was just

822
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 1>crazy hot. So one five zero is the max it

823
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>can be. But that's gonna you're gonna see that in

824
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 1>like a driver. So for a seven iron, one to

825
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.440
<v Speaker 1>three seven is a tour average, and you're at one

826
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 1>point four to three. So keep an eye on the mailbox.

827
00:45:58.400 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Your tour card could be coming soon.

828
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I done that again. I played from the whites.

829
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I did want to see something here. Where are we

830
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.800
<v Speaker 1>hitting this on the fase? Oh? A little high? That's interesting.

831
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 1>It sounded low. Launches at eighteen, which is good. Spin

832
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>is super low at forty one, I'd say the biggest

833
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 1>thing we got to do is get this ball up

834
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.639
<v Speaker 1>in the air a little bit more. Really, Yeah, you're

835
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>hitting a seven sixty nine feet in the air and

836
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 1>your land angles at thirty nine. PGA Tour average would

837
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 1>be forty five to fifty and so wow, PGA Tour

838
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.519
<v Speaker 1>is a long way away from us. Oh yeah, but

839
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:37.840
<v Speaker 1>if we can get closer to that forty five number,

840
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:40.039
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a better chance to stop in the

841
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>greens because right now your ball's rolling out about fifteen yards,

842
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and if we can cut that down to like twelve,

843
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I'd say that's the biggest goal.

844
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now it's interesting, is just the practice swings that

845
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I've taken so far that looks like my ball flight?

846
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's nice. Yeah it's one flat, which is good,

847
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't.

848
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Feel like I feel like I've been hitting them high

849
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.199
<v Speaker 2>for me here, which is great, but you're saying higher.

850
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's launching good, like it comes off the

851
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 1>club good. It just kind of dies out and falls

852
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.480
<v Speaker 1>out of sky because it's not spinning it all. Your

853
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.519
<v Speaker 1>spins at like thirty nine hundred I'm gonna have you

854
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>hit the P head. Okay, we can go to the

855
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 1>XP for we're not feeling the PEE, but the P

856
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 1>is instantly going to get us a higher ballflight. And

857
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're shooting eighty one, you definitely can strike the

858
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:23.159
<v Speaker 1>ball a little bit.

859
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 2>So you're going through the bag that has all the

860
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 2>regular shafts in it.

861
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, I want to grab some that's a little heavier,

862
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a little lighter, and just kind of find your sweet

863
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>spot as far as weight.

864
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that felt great. It looks beautiful. That seemed much higher.

865
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.519
<v Speaker 1>More ball speed on that definitely more height. That's the ball.

866
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>That was crazy?

867
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:54.599
<v Speaker 2>What is that?

868
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So? Like I said, you hit yours mathematically almost as

869
00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>far as you could hit yours, and you hit that

870
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>one a little That was one hundred and eleven ball

871
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>speed compared to the one oh six. Whoa, that's a

872
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>great shot.

873
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. There we go.

874
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a great ball. See when you hit it flush,

875
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 1>it definitely gets a little higher. I do also want

876
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>to have to hit the XP, but if we were

877
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to hit the XP, I would make it two degrees

878
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 1>week going XP two week. Basically, it's like it's gonna

879
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 1>match the lofts of the P, but with the forget

880
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>more forgiveness. More similar to your QI, but with more loft.

881
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 1>One of my most popular fields that I do.

882
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>What are the different heads?

883
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Can you explain each two? So this is the xp

884
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:37.599
<v Speaker 1>our most forgiving model. It's three eleven. Three eleven means

885
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.559
<v Speaker 1>rifleman in the Marine Corps. Everything's kind of an od

886
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to the military bee Bob Parsons, So XP's are most forgiving.

887
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 1>The P is pretty much similar technology, different lofts, little

888
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>weaker lofts, but noticeably smaller head. And then you jump

889
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 1>to the three seventeen it's a sniper in the Marine Corps,

890
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and the T head So all three of these are hollow,

891
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>meaning on the inside it's forged, but on the NDEs

892
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 1>injected with our Like on the GEN sign it's called

893
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 1>our quantum core. On this T it's gonna be our polycore,

894
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>so essentially think like a bouncy ball. So it's still

895
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 1>very forgiving in the tea and in the page is

896
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 1>a little bit smaller than XPEME. And then you got

897
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>our black ops heads super game improvement, very big design.

898
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

899
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 1>The biggest difference one is cost and then also it's

900
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>cast it instead of forged. Some people don't tell can't

901
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.159
<v Speaker 1>tell the difference. I like to look at this as

902
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 1>like our new to golf line. So some people come in,

903
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:29.599
<v Speaker 1>they're getting into golf and not trying to break the bank.

904
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Straight to the black ops heads, because they perform just

905
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>as good as any of these heads. To me, they'll

906
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.119
<v Speaker 1>definitely feel a little different to the guy who just

907
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 1>started playing off. He's not gonna know the difference, except

908
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>for this one probably goes a little straighter. You can

909
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 1>see it's taller too. Yep, you haven't really missed off

910
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the center of like you've been left and right of

911
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the face a little bit, but you're pretty much catching

912
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that center groove. So I don't even know if this

913
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:50.599
<v Speaker 1>would even be that.

914
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Necessary for you being the black ops.

915
00:49:52.920 --> 00:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>The black Ops. That's a great ball.

916
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looked really nice. That seemed to go forever. Yeah,

917
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:08.800
<v Speaker 2>it was right online.

918
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>It was one hundred and ten ball speed. This is

919
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the XP head.

920
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that the change you made? Yep, hit it finn,

921
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 2>but hit it well still. The line was really good.

922
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.079
<v Speaker 1>That's why I love PXG's. You definitely missed that one.

923
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.800
<v Speaker 1>We heard it. You even said it. Yeah, that was

924
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the same distance as your club is one hundred and

925
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>fifty one yards total or Kerry Boom.

926
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:33.159
<v Speaker 2>That one went further.

927
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>That was pure Yeah, okay, so this works. We're going

928
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.199
<v Speaker 1>to test that first shaft and I would definitely do

929
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the XP's two week As far as the head, so

930
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 1>just adding two degrees aloft, that's going to pick our

931
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:44.960
<v Speaker 1>height up a little bit where we need it to be.

932
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.440
<v Speaker 1>But just the construction of this club, you're heading it

933
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>way further. But I think what is cool about PXG

934
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of separates us. Everybody that I work

935
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:54.320
<v Speaker 1>with at the store has been fitting for years with

936
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:56.559
<v Speaker 1>other companies. It's kind of like a recruit like they

937
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>brought in really good fitters already, and then they train

938
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 1>us on the prop. Extensive training on the product, so

939
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 1>we know the product inside and out. But as far

940
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 1>as the fitting process, what's gonna work for certain people

941
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>swing putting the pieces of the puzzle together, as far

942
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 1>as the numbers on the track. Man, everybody I work

943
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.559
<v Speaker 1>with at the store, we've all been in the golf

944
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:17.119
<v Speaker 1>industry forever and so fitting is like bread and butter

945
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to us, and I think that's what separates us right there.

946
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's probably the best shot so far today.

947
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Take a couple with this one. It's definitely going to

948
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:29.079
<v Speaker 1>be this or that our three hundred.

949
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, wow wow meliky.

950
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that see, that's the potential of this club. It

951
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>was one hundred and sixty three yard carry.

952
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Whoa that, don't screw up my game.

953
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 1>There will be an adjustment period.

954
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yeah, and then it's drawn at the end

955
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>there it's yeah, starting off right, but it's last two

956
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 2>come back in. It's nice. That was the kind of

957
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>shot that on the driving range people go, Okay, I'm done.

958
00:51:58.239 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna hit anymore. I don't want to waste.

959
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Them for sure.

960
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 2>What does that?

961
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:04.119
<v Speaker 1>My grandpa used to tell me I'd take me out

962
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 1>the range light at night and spend the night at

963
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:07.159
<v Speaker 1>his house. He'd be like, Papa, let me hit war

964
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>more ball. I got to end on a good one.

965
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>And he'd be like, you ain't got it in your son,

966
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>get in the car. Then I will be here all night, okay,

967
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>so r on me all the time.

968
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of my listeners told me a story about that.

969
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.280
<v Speaker 2>When he was young, playing with his dad, he threw.

970
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.119
<v Speaker 2>He got all upset and threw his club and his

971
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>dad said you're not good enough to throw your clubs.

972
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 1>That brings back memories. My grandpa used to be it

973
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 1>was a big time club thrower. And he told me

974
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 1>because we've been playing a lot of golf that summer,

975
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, brand, I know you probably just see

976
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.119
<v Speaker 1>me cussing on the course stone clubs. That's not you.

977
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that, all right, you're a kid. It's not

978
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.199
<v Speaker 1>the way to behave on a course. It's not good,

979
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.519
<v Speaker 1>you know. Don't don't be doing that stuff. You have

980
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 1>big oldong lecture on the drying range. We go to

981
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the first tee, he skanks his drive and then just

982
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.280
<v Speaker 1>yet like cousins and just throws his driver down the

983
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>middle of the fairway right after he just told me

984
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.039
<v Speaker 1>not to do that. I'll never forget it.

985
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 2>That's a do as I say, not as I do, grandpa.

986
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's beautiful.

987
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that.

988
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Shut boom.

989
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Wou'd you figure out?

990
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.000
<v Speaker 1>So your your clubs, like I said, worked very well

991
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 1>for you. One hundred and six ball speed for only

992
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.880
<v Speaker 1>swinging seventy three miles an hour. It's outrageous amount of

993
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.800
<v Speaker 1>ball speed. You're getting every last bit out of it.

994
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.639
<v Speaker 1>A little low is one hundred and fifty one yards

995
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>carry rolling out to one sixty five. Now we are

996
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.760
<v Speaker 1>at one hundred and ten ball speed smash factor one

997
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>four to seven for a seven iron. Just so efficient

998
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.280
<v Speaker 1>carry is one sixty, so it's nine yard. It's one

999
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 1>sixty point nine, so it's almost one sixty one. So

1000
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.320
<v Speaker 1>let's be fair and call it rounded up a point

1001
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and a ten yard gain of carry. It's still going

1002
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.559
<v Speaker 1>just about the same height as yours. What I would

1003
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.519
<v Speaker 1>suggest we do is we do make it two degrees

1004
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.480
<v Speaker 1>weak and loft. The carry should probably stay at one

1005
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 1>sixty because now it's staying in the air longer. It's

1006
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.480
<v Speaker 1>just less rollout.

1007
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And we're hitting off of mats. Yeah, we're not heading

1008
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 2>off of grass, which I love hitting off of matt.

1009
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could take one with me. Yeah, I'd

1010
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.679
<v Speaker 1>be on tour if I could play off a matt. Sickening.

1011
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I've seen people like I hate warming up practicing on mats.

1012
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.199
<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel the opposite, like I like practicing

1013
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.960
<v Speaker 1>off of mat because then I don't get like tormented

1014
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.519
<v Speaker 1>by the game of golf. Correctcause you a good shot

1015
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:16.320
<v Speaker 1>is a bad shot is still good. A good shot

1016
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 1>feels great off of mat and so maybe you're you're

1017
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 1>not that great of a golfer. Anyway, it's like you're

1018
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna go torment yourself on grass the clubs are all dirty,

1019
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Like at least this boosts your confidence and you take

1020
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>it out on the course. You're probably gonna shoot the

1021
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.559
<v Speaker 1>same score no matter what. If you're practicing on a

1022
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 1>grass or matt, you're gonna shoot the same score ially.

1023
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.239
<v Speaker 1>But if anything, you have more confidence going from matt

1024
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 1>to course, you might actually score better.

1025
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I completely agree with you, And to me, most of

1026
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the grass ranges that I hid from are sand, so

1027
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 2>you're hitting off of sand. So it's like, you know,

1028
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 2>because they have to refresh the grass all the time,

1029
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 2>and you're not hitting off of you're hitting off of sand,

1030
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.559
<v Speaker 2>and it's correct, makes it more difficult. One of the

1031
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 2>shots that I like to practice with my seven iron

1032
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 2>because of or than California, is the low one hundred

1033
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:05.880
<v Speaker 2>yard shot, yep, because of all the trees that I

1034
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:06.400
<v Speaker 2>get under.

1035
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Same, I'm too good at a punch cut out

1036
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>of the trees. I'm way too comfortable having to like

1037
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 1>hit a five iron fifteen feet off the ground and

1038
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.039
<v Speaker 1>wrap it around a tree. Too comfortable at that. Now

1039
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>building of the set, do you go through four iron

1040
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.519
<v Speaker 1>or five iron? Five five? Like it?

1041
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Five? Then hybrid? I had a three hybrid and four hybrid.

1042
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I jumped the three hybrid and went to a five wood.

1043
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, three wood five wood, Yeah.

1044
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Three wood five wood. According to Arcos, I'm hitting this

1045
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:43.000
<v Speaker 2>driver like to forty to two forty five ish is

1046
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:44.440
<v Speaker 2>like there range on that.

1047
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1048
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.679
<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite things about my Black Ops driver

1049
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:50.639
<v Speaker 2>is the magnetum, the headcut. Yeah, that you can just

1050
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of stick it because I don't take carts. I

1051
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 2>always walk just so you walk with this bag. No, No,

1052
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm a I'm you know. It wasn't a brutal walk

1053
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:04.239
<v Speaker 2>to Chambers Bay last week, which is seven point two

1054
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 2>miles with a lot of that's crazy man elevation change.

1055
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 1>One of my schools of thought with fitting is that

1056
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.880
<v Speaker 1>top end of the bag is where we can get

1057
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.320
<v Speaker 1>more creative and really tailor it to your game, right,

1058
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Like do you need this club that club or the

1059
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.199
<v Speaker 1>third right, or do you need you know, hybrid in

1060
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>two woods or is it just one of each or

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00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be. It's got to fit, not only

1062
00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:31.920
<v Speaker 1>like your ball speed numbers, but also your style of play. Oh, Bobby,

1063
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>did you write with fitting that driver? That was pure? Kids?

1064
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Go to your room, Dad is home. That is what

1065
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:41.320
<v Speaker 1>I like to say about that one that was popped

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00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Speaker 1>my caddy at Chambers Base.

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00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Your best club in your bag. You just need to

1068
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 2>get a little more confident with your irons. It's like, oh,

1069
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:48.440
<v Speaker 2>they're still.

1070
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.559
<v Speaker 1>New, give me another swing or two. Basically, what I'm

1071
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to do is, like I know the average ball

1072
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 1>speed on your seven iron right now, I want to

1073
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.199
<v Speaker 1>get the average ball speed on your driver and just

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00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of fill in the gaps between that five iron

1075
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and the driver there it is one one okay, and

1076
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.199
<v Speaker 1>even get all of it or no, you're good, okay.

1077
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.400
<v Speaker 1>So explain to me what you currently have in between

1078
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the five iron.

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00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:17.199
<v Speaker 2>And the driver hybrid?

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00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Two woods okay, and what situations do you pull these.

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00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Out at two hundred and the five three wood I'll

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00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>go to fifteen ish.

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00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:29.840
<v Speaker 1>There's your confidence level with the woods compared to the hybrid.

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00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:35.280
<v Speaker 2>The hybrid sometimes concerns me, but I also flec him

1085
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.920
<v Speaker 2>in the rough the hybrid and don't have to hit

1086
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it so hard. But I've gotten confident with these, like

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00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 2>the three. Yeah, I do makes sense.

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00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I almost think that it's because you get these new

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00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.880
<v Speaker 1>ars irons ten yards further.

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00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 2>It might not throw my game up for a while.

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00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that right?

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00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, but it might not be that necessary. But we

1093
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.360
<v Speaker 1>could just put one in the bag of this just

1094
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.039
<v Speaker 1>for funds easier. Okay, what you got black ops for

1095
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.960
<v Speaker 1>hybrid with the same shaft that's in your irons? Uh

1096
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 1>huh beautiful.

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00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:14.320
<v Speaker 2>A little bit of a fade, but solid. Let's see

1098
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 2>if I can put it down that line there.

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00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 1>You give me a favorite, k Hey your hybrid a

1100
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:26.159
<v Speaker 1>few times? Sure, that was a good shot, really good.

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00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Your face was like, yeah.

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00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:34.719
<v Speaker 1>It's good. Spends a lot. I'm gonna make you something

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00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:35.159
<v Speaker 1>real quick.

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00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wow, and this is a seven Never hit a

1105
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 2>seven wood before.

1106
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 1>They're fun becoming my favorite club in the bag.

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00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Is that right? Oh yeah, instead of a hybrid.

1108
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I can't hit hybrids at all.

1109
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was pretty very good.

1110
00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I went up high way higher.

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00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And is that the point of the seven wood

1112
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:02.880
<v Speaker 2>to get it up in the air.

1113
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:08.679
<v Speaker 1>It depends. Everyone's different. Sometimes people launch hybrids so high

1114
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 1>and then this usually flattens out the ball flight. Other

1115
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>people it's the opposite. It's a lighter head. The center

1116
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.559
<v Speaker 1>center of gravity is more back in the club, whereas

1117
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the center of gravity on the hybrid's very up front.

1118
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 1>So some people have a tendency to hit hybrids a

1119
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Speaker 1>little bit hooky, and they hook them a little bit.

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00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Either launch real high or launch real low. When you

1121
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 1>hit this one good, it definitely goes higher. Yeah, I

1122
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:35.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's as consistent as the hybrid is

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00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:36.760
<v Speaker 1>for it. You don't hit the hybrid bad.

1124
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Blow?

1125
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I shake eponymous, Take one more the prove it?

1126
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Swing race that from the memory bed right here.

1127
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Let me help us out real quick. Delete that file.

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00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.519
<v Speaker 2>What are you adjusting here?

1129
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:56.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm making the li angle flat and what was it before? Standard? Okay,

1130
00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 1>that's better.

1131
00:59:57.679 --> 00:59:59.880
<v Speaker 2>A lot better. Hit behind it again. I heard it.

1132
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Take a couple more now that's on flat. I don't

1133
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:04.599
<v Speaker 1>like it.

1134
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:06.559
<v Speaker 2>You don't.

1135
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.840
<v Speaker 1>No, here's what we're gonna do. Put this hybrid in

1136
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the back. I have a feeling that your five iron

1137
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.920
<v Speaker 1>is gonna go as far as that hybrid is. Wow,

1138
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:18.840
<v Speaker 1>But just to be sure out on the course, put

1139
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:21.079
<v Speaker 1>the hybrid in the bag. But I kind of have

1140
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a feeling just like ball speed wise, Like if you're so,

1141
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.880
<v Speaker 1>if you're seven irons one hundred and ten ball speed,

1142
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 1>then your six iron will be one fifteen and your

1143
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:32.480
<v Speaker 1>five iron will be one twenty. That hybrid and your

1144
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:35.039
<v Speaker 1>hybrid were both hitting one twenty ball speed, which means

1145
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.119
<v Speaker 1>that's what your current your new five iron is gonna be.

1146
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>So in theory, what you could probably end up aiming

1147
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 1>would just be five iron straight to five wood three.

1148
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Wood unless I'm in the rough.

1149
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.079
<v Speaker 1>That's where the hybrid rescue comes into play, exactly, put

1150
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 1>it in the back beautiful. Yeah, see that ballfly right there. Yeah,

1151
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.119
<v Speaker 1>that was It's not a stinger, but it's just nice

1152
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:56.760
<v Speaker 1>and flats using spin to climb up in the air.

1153
01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Twelve to seven would kind of just launch straight up. Yes,

1154
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that's why we would go hybrid.

1155
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:04.199
<v Speaker 2>So do you get more roll on the hybrid than

1156
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:05.400
<v Speaker 2>on the seven would for you?

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01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? For sure? Uh huh oh yeah. Like the role

1158
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.119
<v Speaker 1>you're getting is like fifteen yards from two hundred yards out.

1159
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're complaining. You know, if you hit a

1160
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.480
<v Speaker 1>green from one hundred and eighty yards out rolls up

1161
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:20.039
<v Speaker 1>to two hundred, you know, the flags in the front,

1162
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and you rolled it to the back of the green

1163
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.360
<v Speaker 1>from that distance. You're not complaining.

1164
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:28.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not complaining. I'm taking boughs. I'm hitting it

1165
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:29.519
<v Speaker 2>down the line.

1166
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Every time flat you having like duff one off the

1167
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.519
<v Speaker 1>turf the whole time. It's just going from sitting right

1168
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.880
<v Speaker 1>here to kind of sitting like that. Yeah, love it? Cool? Cool?

1169
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:40.920
<v Speaker 1>So for the three wood five would yeah, since how

1170
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:44.599
<v Speaker 1>you don't necessarily compress it super well, right, meaning we

1171
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have to go any stiffer than what's in your driver.

1172
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.480
<v Speaker 1>In your driver works very well. I wouldn't want to

1173
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:51.800
<v Speaker 1>go softer than that, just based on your speed. That's

1174
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a great ball. I'd keep what's in your driver into

1175
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:57.039
<v Speaker 1>the three wood. In five wood usually that's a good

1176
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.320
<v Speaker 1>place to be, just kind of match the Woods's fifty

1177
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.280
<v Speaker 1>five will go sixty five gram and the three in

1178
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.199
<v Speaker 1>the five. Unless someone like cannot compress the ball or

1179
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 1>they compress it too much, then we'll have to go

1180
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 1>softer or siffer. That's not the case here. Get you

1181
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:13.360
<v Speaker 1>the three and the five in the same setup as

1182
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the driver.

1183
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Cool oops, inside out.

1184
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:20.000
<v Speaker 1>There you go.

1185
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't love the swing.

1186
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.920
<v Speaker 1>But I like the result about the ball.

1187
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

1188
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I just put the three wind and five

1189
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.880
<v Speaker 1>wood on flat as well. Okay, the hybrids in the

1190
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 1>woods are on flat, irons are on standard. It's just

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01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 1>two week in long.

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01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 3>Okay, love it.

1193
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Love it all right, So we're done, done, We're good. Listen.

1194
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:44.679
<v Speaker 2>As I went to college to study radio and TV

1195
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.800
<v Speaker 2>production and have spent my entire adult life recording one

1196
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:52.880
<v Speaker 2>thing or another, I really enjoy slapping a wireless microphone

1197
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:56.280
<v Speaker 2>on myself and whomever I'm talking to or playing with,

1198
01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.280
<v Speaker 2>like we did with Sam Hahn a couple of weeks ago,

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01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 2>or my round the Olympic Club with Eric Scholberg back

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01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:06.840
<v Speaker 2>in June. And I'm still editing the conversation I had

1201
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.199
<v Speaker 2>with my caddie at Chambers Bay, and that's coming up

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01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.559
<v Speaker 2>in a couple of weeks. But i'd really love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear your thoughts and feedback on these remote recordings that

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