Speaker 1: Hi, This is Mike Carley from Loudon, Tennessee, and I
Speaker 1: play at Telecool Village Tokua golf Course.
Speaker 2: This was Golf Smarter number nine hundred and sixty three.
Speaker 3: During my twenties, in addition to being an avid golfer,
Speaker 3: I also played a lot of billiards, including some competitive billiards.
Speaker 3: I was living in New York City at the time,
Speaker 3: so you can imagine there's some good pool players out
Speaker 3: that way, and I had the chance to play for
Speaker 3: the first time on what's called a tight pocket table.
Speaker 3: It's a descriptive name because it's tight pockets, and so
Speaker 3: what they've done is they've put wood shims into the
Speaker 3: sides of the pool pockets to shrink it by probably
Speaker 3: a half inch on both sides until it's fairly bigger
Speaker 3: than a pool ball. It's really challenging. You miss a
Speaker 3: lot of shots. It's very exacting, but as soon as
Speaker 3: you switch over to a regular pool table, you feel
Speaker 3: like you can't miss it. Almost feels like cheating. The
Speaker 3: pockets just feel so big. For sure. I think that
Speaker 3: experience was floating around somewhere in the back of my mind.
Speaker 2: Simplify and fine tune your putting practice and warm up
Speaker 2: with Potter Cup by Matt Davis. This is Golf Smarter
Speaker 2: sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to
Speaker 2: help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.
Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green. A little heads up about
Speaker 2: this episode before we begin, because there's more today than
Speaker 2: what you're expecting. When I first recorded today's episode, it
Speaker 2: felt a little shorter than what I usually deliver. So
Speaker 2: here's what we're going to do this week. We're going
Speaker 2: to feature two guests on two different topics, which is
Speaker 2: going to make this episode a little longer than usual.
Speaker 2: Hope that's okay. But it's a podcast, so you can
Speaker 2: posit at any time right now. If you remember, a
Speaker 2: couple of months ago, PXG sponsored Golf Smarter to talk
Speaker 2: about their new Black Ops driver. I went out for
Speaker 2: a fitting, recorded it, and then used that recording to
Speaker 2: create the ads that ran in the podcast. Well, a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, I was very pleased to hear
Speaker 2: from my agency that PXG has renewed for another run
Speaker 2: once again. PXG invited me back out for another fitting,
Speaker 2: this time for Fairway Woods, A Hybrid and Irons. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can honestly say that part of my love of
Speaker 2: doing this podcast is I get some pretty cool perks
Speaker 2: along the way. But here's what I wanted to explain.
Speaker 2: I learned so much from the fitter Brandon and found
Speaker 2: the fitting process to be so interesting that I wanted
Speaker 2: to share it with you now. Next week the PXG
Speaker 2: campaign is going to begin. But what I'm including in
Speaker 2: today's episode is completely my choosing, and in no way
Speaker 2: did PXG or my agency just that I do this,
Speaker 2: nor am I getting any extra compensation for including this
Speaker 2: in the episode. The full fitting was about ninety minutes,
Speaker 2: and I've cut it down to under thirty so you
Speaker 2: won't hear a lot of ball striking or downtime, and
Speaker 2: much of our conversation was tightened up to remove the
Speaker 2: dead space. I learned a lot during the fitting and
Speaker 2: felt it was worthy because I'm pretty sure you'll get
Speaker 2: something out of it too, especially if you've never been
Speaker 2: fitted for clubs, which could make a huge difference in
Speaker 2: your game. This is my fourth club fitting since I
Speaker 2: started playing golf in the late nineties, and each time,
Speaker 2: as my game progressed and I've learned more about how
Speaker 2: to be a better, smarter, golfer through the podcast getting
Speaker 2: fitted definitely improve my game. But for now, welcome to
Speaker 2: the Golf Smarter Podcast.
Speaker 1: Matt oh Fred.
Speaker 3: It's an honor to be here. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for having me today.
Speaker 2: Well, it's my honor to have you on the show
Speaker 2: because I love talking to people with unique and interesting ideas.
Speaker 2: And when you get an idea that's as like slap
Speaker 2: the forehead, Why didn't I think of that idea? Is
Speaker 2: exactly what you did, and this is something your product
Speaker 2: now sits in. I'm just teasing this, but your product
Speaker 2: is now in my golf bag for all the time
Speaker 2: because when I get to warm up for around, I
Speaker 2: use these because it does help. What we're talking about
Speaker 2: is a brand you've created called Putterer Cup. Please explain
Speaker 2: putter Cup for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it was a tough name to come up
Speaker 3: with because it's it's not necessarily a cup, but it
Speaker 3: certainly is part of putting. And so I can I
Speaker 3: have them here and I can show them to you.
Speaker 3: We currently have two products that are out in market
Speaker 3: today a third one that's coming down on the pipe
Speaker 3: pretty hot. But these are golf hole inserts, so they
Speaker 3: are there to be inserted into a golf hole, and
Speaker 3: they're really based on this premise that it's my personal
Speaker 3: belief that putting doesn't need to be overly physical, overly mechanical.
Speaker 3: It's a very simple act, but we can complicate it
Speaker 3: pretty quickly, and so these are really meant to be
Speaker 3: counter to that. And so one of them is called
Speaker 3: the speed bump, and I'll hold it up so you
Speaker 3: can see. It creates this three hundred and sixty degree
Speaker 3: raised incline around the golf hole, which does a couple
Speaker 3: of things. It forces you to make sure you're not
Speaker 3: leaving it short. Primarily, that's kind of one of the
Speaker 3: big ones, as you're thinking, I have to hit it
Speaker 3: hard enough because there's this little bit of resistance. But
Speaker 3: then there's the secondary benefit of because it's this three
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty degree ridge, if it's offline at all,
Speaker 3: it can also get deflected, even if you have, say
Speaker 3: the right speed. And so once you're standing over a putt,
Speaker 3: especially the short ones like six feet in under, and
Speaker 3: your knees might start knocking. This is meant to kind
Speaker 3: of help clear the noise and give you something really
Speaker 3: simple to think about, which is I'm going to just
Speaker 3: try and get it over this bump. So that's one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: Let me just say that the Golf Smarter community is
Speaker 2: probably aware of these products because you actually were an
Speaker 2: advertiser on Golf Smarter, and we appreciate that very much.
Speaker 2: So I have talked about how one of my favorite
Speaker 2: parts about a training aid that doesn't it doesn't require
Speaker 2: batteries or it doesn't require you to plug it in
Speaker 2: at night or download anything. It's just a putting aid
Speaker 2: that is simple, concise, and pretty easy to figure out
Speaker 2: as soon as you get your hands on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm a golfer. I've been planning for thirty years.
Speaker 3: At various times I've gotten the handicapped down to single digits,
Speaker 3: depending on nice where I'm at with my family life,
Speaker 3: and you know.
Speaker 2: The profession of things, the fact that you get to
Speaker 2: play golf, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Which I hope to play more of here in the
Speaker 3: near future. But I've I've purchased training aids as much
Speaker 3: as anybody. And I grew up without a ton of
Speaker 3: formal golf instruction, but I was largely self taught, give
Speaker 3: or take a little bit of guidance. During the summers
Speaker 3: when I'd get to visit my grandfather, which is whom
Speaker 3: I learned from, but certainly no formal instruction when it
Speaker 3: came to putting. The biggest lesson I ever got was
Speaker 3: firm in the back of the cup, and that was
Speaker 3: usually when we were playing, you know, for a nickel
Speaker 3: or something like that, and i'd have before.
Speaker 2: Your grandfather was gambling with you.
Speaker 3: We play match play for five cents a hole. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was by the time I was That was that
Speaker 3: was by the time I was probably a teenager.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then you had a nickel? Yes, wait wait
Speaker 2: and if you if you he beat you, did you
Speaker 2: have to pay up?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and made you pay.
Speaker 3: By then, more often than not, I was winning. And
Speaker 3: he had a dime that he kept on his bureau
Speaker 3: until the day he passed. And it was one of
Speaker 3: the one of the days that he took it from
Speaker 3: me and he let me know about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Great story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not a ton of formal instruction, and certainly
Speaker 3: not when when it came to putting, even full swing.
Speaker 3: I didn't really get a ton of instruction until my
Speaker 3: adult life and got into the world of trying out
Speaker 3: training aids and the ones that I that I tried
Speaker 3: with putting were reflective of what's out there today. A
Speaker 3: lot of it is focused on either getting you to
Speaker 3: stand a certain way or to take back the putter
Speaker 3: just a certain way and have kind of a uniform
Speaker 3: arc to your putt, all in the name of trying
Speaker 3: to get it started on your starting line perfect. But
Speaker 3: the more I used those, the more I would find
Speaker 3: myself frozen on the actual first screen because all of
Speaker 3: those visual things were not there anymore. Or you have
Speaker 3: to set them up in just such a certain way
Speaker 3: that you're taking the same put over and over and over,
Speaker 3: which might help you groop a putting stroke, but you
Speaker 3: rarely get the same putt twice once you're on the
Speaker 3: golf course. And so they didn't they didn't stick with me,
Speaker 3: and oftentimes I felt like I was thinking more about
Speaker 3: whether or not I was taking it onto the golf course,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't thinking about the objective that was in
Speaker 3: front of me, which was you got to get it
Speaker 3: into that hole, or if you can't get it into it,
Speaker 3: make sure it's a very easy tap in. And so
Speaker 3: these training aids potter Cup kind of reflects that that
Speaker 3: upbringing that approach to putting, which is it's it's it
Speaker 3: should be simple. You know, you can hand a kid
Speaker 3: a putter and within minutes they'll start figuring it out
Speaker 3: without a lot of formal instruction.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm a golf smarter listener. And it was it was
Speaker 3: just a few weeks ago that you replayed I took
Speaker 3: a note. It was an episode with mister Manzoni uh
Speaker 3: where he kind of gave a bit of a speech
Speaker 3: on putting and the importance of keeping it natural and
Speaker 3: not trying to manufacture anything. And while I never had
Speaker 3: the honor of meeting the man, I think he would
Speaker 3: appreciate and agree with some of the key design principles
Speaker 3: that I had in place with these, because it's really
Speaker 3: so far away from mechanics or trying to manufacture a stroke,
Speaker 3: and it's really more about just making more putts with
Speaker 3: whatever stroke you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I apologize to the audience for both of
Speaker 2: us holding up visuals for an audio podcast, So we'll
Speaker 2: continue to do our best to describe exactly what we're
Speaker 2: talking about. What I'm holding here is probably one of
Speaker 2: the early iterations of this. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: That's correct? Yeah, So I am a I'm not out
Speaker 3: of my garage. So I can't officially sam a garage startup,
Speaker 3: but you know, I am a what can be called
Speaker 3: a solopreneur, an entrepreneur, solo kind of stepping out to
Speaker 3: this world on my own. And yes, so I went
Speaker 3: through the process of working with computer assisted design firm
Speaker 3: so that I could get my three D renderings kind
Speaker 3: of ready for manufacturing and kind of learning all about
Speaker 3: how to translate that into injection molding and some of
Speaker 3: the limitations that come with you know, how small of
Speaker 3: a shape you can make and produce reliably. And so, yes, Fred,
Speaker 3: the ones that I sent you back a few months ago,
Speaker 3: that was of our our first batch, our soft launch batch,
Speaker 3: reflecting kind of V one version one of the design,
Speaker 3: and we do have our second wave coming. We did
Speaker 3: make a couple of tweaks to one of the products,
Speaker 3: and we actually have a third product coming out as well.
Speaker 2: Well. The thing that I am so attracted to this
Speaker 2: conversation and when I was excited to talk to you
Speaker 2: is guy like talking to solopreneurs as one myself. But
Speaker 2: I'm always curious, like, where did the idea come from?
Speaker 2: How did you decide? Oh wait a minute, this is
Speaker 2: a potential product that could work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there were there were two kind of more
Speaker 3: obvious inspirations behind it. So one is, during my twenties,
Speaker 3: in addition to being an avid golfer, I also played
Speaker 3: a lot of billiards, including some competitive competitive billiards. And
Speaker 3: I was living in New York City at the time,
Speaker 3: so you can imagine there's some good pool players out
Speaker 3: that way. And I had the chance to play for
Speaker 3: the first time on what's called a tight pocket table,
Speaker 3: and it's a descriptive name because it's tight pockets. And
Speaker 3: so what they've done is they've put wood shims into
Speaker 3: the sides of the pool pockets to shrink it bye,
Speaker 3: probably a half inch on both sides, until it's barely
Speaker 3: bigger than a pool ball. And I remember, it's really challenging.
Speaker 3: You miss a lot of shots, It's exactly, it's very exacting,
Speaker 3: but as soon as you switch over to a regular
Speaker 3: pool table, you feel like you can't miss. It almost
Speaker 3: feels like cheating. The pockets just feel so big. And
Speaker 3: so for sure, I think that experience was floating around
Speaker 3: somewhere in the back of my mind. And yeah, and
Speaker 3: then secondly, I'm up in the Seattle area and We
Speaker 3: have a local now chain of mini golf pubs. It's
Speaker 3: called the Flat Stick Pub. I've gotten to know the
Speaker 3: owners over the years. They're wonderful guys. But when they
Speaker 3: first opened, they had these tiny cups, just like a
Speaker 3: tight pocket table. It felt like they were barely big
Speaker 3: enough for the golf ball to get into, really, and
Speaker 3: I remember that after having played there a few times.
Speaker 3: Once I was out on the golf course, I was
Speaker 3: visualizing their cups because it was so exacting, and I
Speaker 3: found myself making more putts because of it. And so
Speaker 3: a couple of I think, just again, those are like
Speaker 3: visual representations things that I've experienced that I think we're
Speaker 3: kind of floating around in there. And then I think
Speaker 3: there was just this kind of great convergence of some
Speaker 3: of the life experiences you have to have wants, an
Speaker 3: idea comes to figure out how to make it happen.
Speaker 3: I've always had an entrepreneurial bug ever since childhood. I
Speaker 3: was the kid who was knocking on doors asking if
Speaker 3: I could know your lawn for a few bucks, and
Speaker 3: that's just, you know, that's always that's always been part
Speaker 3: of who I am. And then certainly a love of
Speaker 3: golf I've been planned since I was thirteen. I could
Speaker 3: never stop. I love it too much. And so certainly
Speaker 3: those two parts of who I am have floated, floated
Speaker 3: around for a long time. And then I had the
Speaker 3: chance to just be lucky in my life. My wife
Speaker 3: grew up doing professional ballet, and I had the chance
Speaker 3: to watch her, coming out of the pandemic, start a
Speaker 3: ballet studio and start her own business. My career by
Speaker 3: trade has been market research, corporate market research for almost
Speaker 3: twenty years, which has functioned as a great slow cooker
Speaker 3: for some of these kind of inner ambitions of learning
Speaker 3: how to kind of take something that's an idea and
Speaker 3: put it all the way through into how you bring
Speaker 3: something to market. And so there were these aspects of
Speaker 3: life that were happening, and then I'd had these kind
Speaker 3: of design inspirations for you know, what can help make
Speaker 3: people better at something just by concentration. And so it was.
Speaker 3: It was November of twenty twenty two. We have two
Speaker 3: young kids, and one of my kids woke up that night.
Speaker 3: I was feeling ill, so we attended to him, and
Speaker 3: before I could fall back asleep, just the idea for
Speaker 3: the speed bump popped into my mind. I reached over
Speaker 3: and kept my wife from falling back asleep. Thank you
Speaker 3: to me, wife. But I said, hey, I think I
Speaker 3: just had an idea for something that I think any
Speaker 3: golfer could use. You don't have to be a scratch,
Speaker 3: you can be just starting out. You could be any
Speaker 3: age because it operates on this principle that putting is
Speaker 3: ninety percent mental and you will make more putts just
Speaker 3: by concentrating and keeping your mind clear a bit more.
Speaker 3: And it started with the speed bump. Over the next
Speaker 3: few days it kind of morphed into the second product,
Speaker 3: which is the center cup, which is more of a
Speaker 3: traditional whole reducer. There's no kind of bump to it
Speaker 3: or anything. It just shrinks the size of the hole
Speaker 3: by an inch, so it's a bit more like a
Speaker 3: tight pocket table design. I can tell you I've seen
Speaker 3: whole reducers out there. This is not the first whole
Speaker 3: reducer that's existed. The thing I like about it, though,
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to insert something into a
Speaker 3: golf hole is not as straightforward as you might think,
Speaker 3: because there's variation in what's out there in the world.
Speaker 3: And so with my first crack at it, I thought
Speaker 3: to myself, well, a golf hole is four and a
Speaker 3: quarter inches. They're all four and a quarter inches, and
Speaker 3: so I'll make the speed bump fit in a golf
Speaker 3: hole that's four and a quarter inches. Well, that's not
Speaker 3: exactly true. Depending on what course you play at, you
Speaker 3: might have varying cup styles, particularly on the practice screens,
Speaker 3: and some golf courses have cups that go right up
Speaker 3: flush to the surface of the ground. There's no gap
Speaker 3: for a potter cup to fit into. And so that
Speaker 3: was a good learning and you'll be happy to hear,
Speaker 3: and I'm happy to get you a V two where
Speaker 3: we've adjusted that kind of base portion of the product
Speaker 3: so that can fit into any golf hole, including you
Speaker 3: know the ones that, for example, indoor golf facilities might
Speaker 3: have a turf practice you can use potter cups there
Speaker 3: as well, and so it addresses that issue because those
Speaker 3: almost never are the full four and a quarter inch
Speaker 3: golf right.
Speaker 2: And that was the first thing I did, is I've
Speaker 2: talked about that. I have a practice putting green in
Speaker 2: my backyard and I went right to it and just
Speaker 2: tried to reduce the size of the hole, just to
Speaker 2: make sure that my entry point, you know, is a
Speaker 2: lot more concise.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And so I've heard you mentioned a couple
Speaker 3: of times you recently switched over to the DF three
Speaker 3: from LAB.
Speaker 2: I two have, and now you're doing a DF three
Speaker 2: on the broomstick.
Speaker 3: I don't have the broomstick.
Speaker 2: I just moved over to it. I've just played a
Speaker 2: couple of rounds with it, and I really like it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a complete lab rat. So yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: Going to ask if you'd heard that term, because that's
Speaker 3: what some some friends of mine are now calling us.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually they're even now have merch with the labrat
Speaker 2: logo on it, and my my putter headcover is the
Speaker 2: lab rat the labor Yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: I came up with that term, but I went early
Speaker 2: on with with Sam Hun I had mentioned I'm, you know, labrat.
Speaker 2: I just mentioned it. Whether that's stuck or you already
Speaker 2: knew it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my experience has has mirrored yours with that,
Speaker 3: and it's easier to kind of roll the putt where intended,
Speaker 3: right the start line. And so I'd like to think that,
Speaker 3: you know, putter cups help you train your eye and
Speaker 3: get your eye where you want it to go and
Speaker 3: then hopefully you have putter that you can consistently get
Speaker 3: it on your start line. And I don't mean to
Speaker 3: put down any of the other training aims. I think
Speaker 3: anything that helps you do the same thing, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: over and over again, will help. Right, it's whatever your
Speaker 3: stroke is. As long as you're comfortable, your grip feels comfortable,
Speaker 3: and you can reliably kind of get it on that
Speaker 3: start line every time, all the more power to you.
Speaker 3: I just in my experience, I felt like I was
Speaker 3: fighting my natural putting stroke more than more than I
Speaker 3: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me say right now, let me congratulate you,
Speaker 2: because the one thing that I've noticed in all these
Speaker 2: years of talking to solopreneurs who have an idea is
Speaker 2: that you have to have a supportive partner at home,
Speaker 2: because if you're trying to develop something and grow it
Speaker 2: and build it from nothing, from just an idea that
Speaker 2: you had. Once you start hearing the fingers tapping on
Speaker 2: the desktop or on the you know, on I don't
Speaker 2: mean computer desktop, I meant like on the kitchen table.
Speaker 2: All right, once you start hearing the noise like this, like, okay,
Speaker 2: you've done yet, did you get your job, your la
Speaker 2: las out. You know, are you are you ready to
Speaker 2: go back to work? If you have somebody who's not
Speaker 2: doing that, you're way ahead of the game. It's really
Speaker 2: critical to have that support at home.
Speaker 3: I am very lucky and she can relate. Ballet is
Speaker 3: obviously a very different business than a golf training aid,
Speaker 3: but she can relate in so many ways. And it's
Speaker 3: an amazing time to be doing this. I mentioned right like,
Speaker 3: I've had that kind of drive since I was a kid.
Speaker 3: But the resources that are out there, even if it
Speaker 3: had been twenty years ago, I don't know if I
Speaker 3: would have been able to make the kind of progress
Speaker 3: that I have in the time that I have, just
Speaker 3: because you know, you can pop open a web browser
Speaker 3: and partner with so many different people with different areas
Speaker 3: of subjects matter expertise, whether it's computer design, whether it's
Speaker 3: prototype three D printing, even finding manufacturers, it's all. It's
Speaker 3: all out there. It just requires diligence patients, and like
Speaker 3: what can happen when you find out every golf hole
Speaker 3: is not exactly four point two five inches some course
Speaker 3: correction and some learning at thrink.
Speaker 2: I understand you do some work up in the Seattle
Speaker 2: area with First Tea.
Speaker 1: I do I do that cup?
Speaker 2: Or is it I got to know?
Speaker 3: I got to know First Tea largely through the first
Speaker 3: chapter of my career. There's a pretty prominent First Tea
Speaker 3: fundraising scramble that happens once a year in October up here,
Speaker 3: and I've played in it for ten years, eleven years,
Speaker 3: and it's always the same folks from the First Tea
Speaker 3: are there every year, and so we've kind of become
Speaker 3: acquaintances that way. We recognize each other every year. And
Speaker 3: I placed just so much value and appreciation for their
Speaker 3: mission and what they do, because I would have been
Speaker 3: the perfect kid to participate in it had it existed
Speaker 3: where I grew up. So I grew up called Waterbury, Connecticut.
Speaker 2: And why would you been a great candidate for First Team?
Speaker 3: Well, as I understand it, it supports areas where kids
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have the resources to go heavy into golf.
Speaker 3: And I loved golf and I was lucky. You know,
Speaker 3: we never were short of food on the table, but
Speaker 3: finances were always a tension in my family. And so
Speaker 3: my first set of clubs was a set of Hogan
Speaker 3: Edge forged Irons, from the late eighties. It was a
Speaker 3: set of hand me downs from my grandfather. That was
Speaker 3: the set that I learned to play with.
Speaker 2: I hope you pay for those No, No.
Speaker 3: Except for that dime exactly bureau from from beating me
Speaker 3: in match play. And then my high school was lucky
Speaker 3: to have six kids to have a golf team, uh
Speaker 3: and a volunteer teacher to coach it. And I used
Speaker 3: coach very generously, wonderful man, but in no position to
Speaker 3: teach any of us how to play golf. It was
Speaker 3: more of like a supervisory type Roland So but I
Speaker 3: loved I loved golf and would have been there had
Speaker 3: the first he existed in the area where I grew
Speaker 3: up and benefited from the lessons of golf growing up.
Speaker 3: It's it's definitely part of my part of my DNA.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that's.
Speaker 2: What I love about doing that work. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: now for the last couple of months, I've been coaching
Speaker 2: on first tea when I'm not traveling, and it's to me,
Speaker 2: it's not so much teaching young kids and I'm working
Speaker 2: with six to ten year olds on how to play golf.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to teach them the values that the golf
Speaker 2: in parts so that you can be a better person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that golf has a lot of lessons
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I decided pretty early on that if there
Speaker 3: was an opportunity to partner with the First Tea with
Speaker 3: Potter Cup, I would want to do it. I believe,
Speaker 3: I believe in companies that do good and do well,
Speaker 3: and so for now it's it's pretty simple and straightforward.
Speaker 3: We just donate five percent of our sales to the
Speaker 3: First te so that the more we grow, the more
Speaker 3: we can support them. Who knows what the future might
Speaker 3: hold in terms of growing that partnership, but for now
Speaker 3: it was a great start and I do I value
Speaker 3: what they do for kids so much so if I can,
Speaker 3: if I can help them to do that, I absolutely
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: That's phenomenal. Are you open to suggestions on ideas for this?
Speaker 3: Absolutely for putter Cup, because I.
Speaker 2: Have one suggestion, and you know, I've talked to so
Speaker 2: many different golf instructors, especially love talking to people about putting.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that even when I was
Speaker 2: getting my tutorial from Sam Hun about how to use
Speaker 2: the broomstick, he was going to suggest because we were
Speaker 2: talking about pace, right, because it's not just the line,
Speaker 2: it's the pace as well. And something I think I
Speaker 2: saw a video with Dustin Johnson talking about this and
Speaker 2: why his putting got so much better, is that you
Speaker 2: think of the hole as a clock face and the
Speaker 2: direction you're coming from is six o'clock. But most holes
Speaker 2: don't go in directly at six clock. Maybe they come
Speaker 2: in it five o'clock or seven o'clock. Right. So my suggestion,
Speaker 2: I think it's obvious where I'm going with this is marks,
Speaker 2: you know, like twelve marks, just like a clock face,
Speaker 2: so that you can aim for a specific mark to
Speaker 2: get the ball to roll intwo from that direction.
Speaker 3: It's a great suggestion. I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're partners now.
Speaker 3: Yeay. One of my one of my favorite drills.
Speaker 2: I'll take that dime from your grandfather for that idea, okay, deal.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite drills to do actually with the
Speaker 3: speed bump is to take twelve golf balls and make
Speaker 3: a clock face.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And it's it's not a long but it's only three
Speaker 3: and a half four feet and the goal is to
Speaker 3: try and make all twelve. I've made it up to eleven.
Speaker 3: I have yet to make all twelve because it is
Speaker 3: it is. It's tricky, you know, it makes it makes
Speaker 3: the effective size of the whole smaller. But I can
Speaker 3: say that as soon as I take it out, I
Speaker 3: do make all twelve regularly, which is which is the
Speaker 3: ultimate gold.
Speaker 2: It's amazing to make the.
Speaker 3: Real to make the real whole feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I would do that drill frequently as well.
Speaker 2: And when I was using my thirty three inch putter,
Speaker 2: I would just put the putter head in the cup
Speaker 2: and then rotate it around, placing a ball at the end.
Speaker 2: He just went, wow, you know what. I just realized,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, with the broomstick putter. And they say,
Speaker 2: is that inside the leather now forty inches long? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's in the leather.
Speaker 1: We're good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a lot of gimmis coming your way.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna my friends are gonna hate me for that one.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, well, we do to your point around feedback,
Speaker 3: we do have a couple of exciting things coming down
Speaker 3: the pipe. So one of the one of the things
Speaker 3: that's been the most encouraged as as this has has
Speaker 3: gone along, as I've had folks from the industry reaching
Speaker 3: out and so for example, I've had a number of
Speaker 3: PGA not touring pros, but PGA professionals, teaching professional teaching
Speaker 3: professionals reach out and pick them up. And so to
Speaker 3: have folks who like yourself, have have seen probably everything
Speaker 3: in the way of training aids, to have that kind
Speaker 3: of positive feedback has been really really wonderful. But also
Speaker 3: retail channel. So I listened to your recent episode with
Speaker 3: the co founder of Red Rooster, and you were asking
Speaker 3: about direct to consumer versus the retail channel and just
Speaker 3: kind of the nature of the golf industry and how
Speaker 3: to pick the right path for putter cup. Certainly, this
Speaker 3: is something that I want to get onto store shelves.
Speaker 3: That's where you know, so much of the golfing population
Speaker 3: is likely to see something for the first time and
Speaker 3: buy it. And so another great vote of confidence has
Speaker 3: been actually retailers and distributors reaching out as well with
Speaker 3: interest in potentially carrying putter cups. It's just another great
Speaker 3: kind of vote of confidence that people see something that
Speaker 3: is on the rise and something that they want to
Speaker 3: get involved with early on. So I wouldn't be too
Speaker 3: surprised if within the next few months here you might
Speaker 3: start seeing putter cups on store shelves and some retailers
Speaker 3: near you. So that's that's been a great again, great
Speaker 3: vote of confidence that we're in the right direction. Of course,
Speaker 3: I mentioned I'm doing this all myself, and that includes
Speaker 3: learning how to create content, run ad campaigns on you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's Facebook or Instagram. And actually just this week
Speaker 3: we had our first kind of video go viral. As
Speaker 3: of the last time I looked her up to eighty
Speaker 3: five thousand views on a video of the speed bump
Speaker 3: in action. Really simple video, just kind of showing how
Speaker 3: it works. Right, anything too hard, too soft offline, it's
Speaker 3: going to punish you a little bit, but it'll make
Speaker 3: you better as soon as soon as it's not in
Speaker 3: the hole.
Speaker 2: So is the PGA superstore or Worldwide Golf come to
Speaker 2: you and say, yeah, we'd like to put these. Let's
Speaker 2: start with a half a dozen of these in every
Speaker 2: one of our locations. How's your supply chain? Can you
Speaker 2: pull it off? Oh?
Speaker 3: Ready to go? Ready to yeah? Yeah, that's and that's
Speaker 3: kind of always been been the goal. I've had fun.
Speaker 3: It's certainly been a lot of great learning to specifically
Speaker 3: how to describe them because they're different from other plutting training.
Speaker 3: It's again, it's not about your stroke, it's not about
Speaker 3: your stance. It's just you and the hole. As much
Speaker 3: as the real thing is you can can get. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, we've onboarded a new manufacturer recently to increase
Speaker 3: I think the quality a little bit. We've got some
Speaker 3: nice branding now silk screen printed right onto the products,
Speaker 3: which makes it look real good. But we actually also
Speaker 3: have a third product, and personally selfishly but also because
Speaker 3: I think it works. All three of them have a
Speaker 3: distinct use case. But early on I realized not every
Speaker 3: practice screen even punches golf holes anymore. Some of them
Speaker 3: just put posts in the ground, and you know, to
Speaker 3: each their own. Some people stick a tea in the
Speaker 3: ground and put to a tee. But if a golf
Speaker 3: hole is something that you want to put to, and
Speaker 3: certainly you need a golf hole to use the speed
Speaker 3: bump in the center cup, those practice screens are kind
Speaker 3: of off limits for Potterer cup. And so I realized that,
Speaker 3: and so our third product, which I'll describe it to folks,
Speaker 3: but it's essentially a portable golf hole. It's it kind
Speaker 3: of looks like a silicone frisbee with a golf hole
Speaker 3: cut out of the middle of it. But it employs
Speaker 3: the same benefit as the speed bump of having that
Speaker 3: kind of raised edge around the outside. So you still
Speaker 3: have to give it a little bit of speed, but
Speaker 3: not too much or it bounces over it and it's
Speaker 3: got to be online or else it'll get deflected. But
Speaker 3: now you can you can kind of get the benefits
Speaker 3: of the speed bump anywhere. And so we're calling this
Speaker 3: the to go cup. It's going to be you know,
Speaker 3: part of what I think is going to be the
Speaker 3: three pack is what you're going to likely see on
Speaker 3: store shelf.
Speaker 2: How deep is your to go cup? I mean, if
Speaker 2: you if you hit it in and it goes in
Speaker 2: the hole but it's a little bit strong, will it
Speaker 2: bounce out and keep going or it will it is
Speaker 2: shallow enough that it will hold it steady.
Speaker 3: So let me answer this a couple of different ways,
Speaker 3: because like, let's say you're putting in your living room.
Speaker 3: If you have thicker carpet and that's what you're putting on,
Speaker 3: this height of about three quarters of an inch is
Speaker 3: very likely going to hold to itself. But if you're
Speaker 3: on a practice putting green or like let's say you're
Speaker 3: in a hotel room where your carpet is not as
Speaker 3: thick and it's running a little bit faster, the same
Speaker 3: speed would carry over the hole. And so one of
Speaker 3: the things we've done to address that is, you know,
Speaker 3: I mentioned the speed bump. We updated it so that
Speaker 3: I could fit into any golf hole regardless of what
Speaker 3: the cup situation is. You can actually take the speed
Speaker 3: bump and plug it directly into the to go cup
Speaker 3: and so it actually adds it adds some height, and
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's very precisely engineered that it's a
Speaker 3: you know, perfectly flat edged there. It creates that unbroken edge.
Speaker 3: So if you are on a faster surface where it
Speaker 3: doesn't get to be too hard to pop it over
Speaker 3: that to go cup, you can add the speed bumper
Speaker 3: and it will give you that extra heighth thing you need,
Speaker 3: perfect perfect, And if you're feeling and if you're feeling
Speaker 3: really sadistic, you can also plug the center cup into
Speaker 3: it as well, which would give you that three in
Speaker 3: a quarter inch golf al instead of a four and
Speaker 3: a quarter inch golf all. So they're meant they're meant
Speaker 3: to compliment each other and really give you the chance
Speaker 3: to benefit. And a number of locations.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to make sure that everybody knows that
Speaker 2: it's puttercupgolf dot com. And when we were running the campaign,
Speaker 2: you offered golf Smarter listeners twenty percent discount if they
Speaker 2: use the checkout code golf Smarter. Is that still in effect.
Speaker 3: It's still in effect, it's still awsome.
Speaker 2: And what's your price points?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you want to buy just one of them,
Speaker 3: they all sell for seventeen ninety nine individually. We of
Speaker 3: course believe that each has its own benefit, and so
Speaker 3: ninety six percent, ninety six percent of our transactions are
Speaker 3: what we call the pressure pot combo. It's both of them,
Speaker 3: both the speed Bump and the center cup. And with
Speaker 3: that one's twenty nine ninety nine, so we've kind of rewarded,
Speaker 3: you know, folks who are buying both.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a great deal one and so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with that golf Smarter code and the twenty percent
Speaker 3: off of that, you're you're getting down to I think
Speaker 3: it's twenty four and then still TBD on what the
Speaker 3: three pack is going to cost at retail. That of
Speaker 3: course involves conversations with the stores as well, but I
Speaker 3: do think that three pack is what you're likely to
Speaker 3: see there. I think that the to go cup is
Speaker 3: likely to have the most individual demand, and you know,
Speaker 3: I should note if you want to be notified when
Speaker 3: the to go Cup is publicly available, you can sign up.
Speaker 3: I've never sent to this day a single marketing email.
Speaker 3: Yet I receive a lot of marketing emails, and so
Speaker 3: I know what it's like to be on the receiving
Speaker 3: end of them, and I fully intend the first one
Speaker 3: I send to be the announcement that to go come.
Speaker 2: Have you tried anything like the kickstarter or anything like
Speaker 2: that just to get the exposure and maybe even get
Speaker 2: some investment so that you can bring that one to
Speaker 2: market faster.
Speaker 1: I have not yet.
Speaker 3: I've so far I've been able to navigate without having
Speaker 3: to worry about outside investment. Personally, that's just by iterating small, but.
Speaker 2: It's also a great way to get your exposure out
Speaker 2: there and people.
Speaker 3: It's a really good point.
Speaker 2: You're not looking that these aren't going to be partners
Speaker 2: or just people who go, yeah, I want one of those,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna I'm going to buy it a little
Speaker 2: bit of a discount now until you get it out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I heard I heard how how big of
Speaker 3: the stuff that was for Red Rooster.
Speaker 2: Yes it was, Yes, it was definitely, dude. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for sharing this with us and for coming
Speaker 2: on the show to discuss it more fully. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and we shall all the lock in the world.
Speaker 3: Thank you well, Thank thank you, Fred, and and thank
Speaker 3: you for answering an email from you know, an upstart
Speaker 3: golf entrepreneur several months back. You're just such a kind
Speaker 3: ambassador for this game, and so I appreciate how gracious
Speaker 3: you've been and inviting me and keeping in touches. This
Speaker 3: has happened over the last few months.
Speaker 1: Fred. I'm Brandon, Hi, Brandon Fitter here with PXG. Px's
Speaker 1: always been ahead of the game as far as technology
Speaker 1: with the Irons and definitely the Wedges, but it's fair
Speaker 1: to say they've been a step behind all other manufacturers
Speaker 1: with drivers until this Black OPS came out. It's just
Speaker 1: like a world difference between like the past generations. They
Speaker 1: don't even call it like Gen seven, to call it
Speaker 1: complete rehaul of manufacturing engineering and the name of it right,
Speaker 1: so it's called Black OPS they started with like pretty
Speaker 1: much the same, very similar manufacturing process to Calloway. They've
Speaker 1: always been really good drivers.
Speaker 2: It was I was. I've been a Callaway driver guy
Speaker 2: for years.
Speaker 1: It's very fair to be one. Pretty much all carbon design,
Speaker 1: so the soul in the crown of the club is
Speaker 1: pretty much made all of carbon. So when that does
Speaker 1: is saves the engineer weight so they can take that
Speaker 1: extra weight and put it behind the face, making the
Speaker 1: face super hot and super consistent. From what I've seen
Speaker 1: in the base, definitely one of the best drivers in
Speaker 1: the market, if not the best market driver in the market.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you already have it. So I'm not
Speaker 1: doing driver? What about Woods? So we're doing I've been
Speaker 1: told it's everything from just no wedges, just irons, driver,
Speaker 1: whatever you need. But you already have the driver.
Speaker 2: Well I have the driver, Okay, I have a so
Speaker 2: call Away three wood and a five wood and a
Speaker 2: four hybrid.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by many drivers.
Speaker 1: I wait for them to come out with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fascinating, and I would like to go all
Speaker 2: the way down to gap Wedge.
Speaker 1: Okay, but not the highbrids and woods. Take a peak
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: If if you know, if I could be a full
Speaker 2: p X you bag, I'd do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right. So you said you already
Speaker 1: warmed up a little bit, Yeah, little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take a couple more songs playing with now.
Speaker 2: So interestingly, these tailor made Q eyes are less than
Speaker 2: three months old. Yep, so I've been playing with these
Speaker 2: for about three months, and I if I got rid
Speaker 2: of him, it's like, okay, okay, I'm a ten point
Speaker 2: nine index sixty nine years old, right, so things are
Speaker 2: slowing down.
Speaker 1: You're a liar. You're forty nine years old. Thank you.
Speaker 2: You're younger than both my children. I can tell you
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: How old do you think? I am?
Speaker 2: Thirty two?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 2: Good, guess right?
Speaker 1: I look my age? Cool? Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2: Twice week week?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: And you got a net in the backyard?
Speaker 2: I do putting green like this. I'm a labrat. I
Speaker 2: love lab golf.
Speaker 1: I can already tell we're gonna make a little bit
Speaker 1: of improvement.
Speaker 2: Awesome. So how did you get to be Were you
Speaker 2: trying to be a pro a professional golfer? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, no, I was in sales and I was living
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, so I was a car salesman by
Speaker 1: day and then by night I would do stand up comedy. Really,
Speaker 1: I was just so stressed out with life, I bet.
Speaker 1: And then so I grew up playing golf. I grew
Speaker 1: up playing all sports. I played college basketball, I played
Speaker 1: high school golf.
Speaker 2: Where'd you go to college?
Speaker 1: Settle Back Junior College. Okay, yeah, they had a really
Speaker 1: good sports program. I got to watch them win the
Speaker 1: state championship from the view of the bench. Nice a
Speaker 1: great view. But anyway, So I was in sales doing
Speaker 1: stand up comedy and just like just a tense, stressed
Speaker 1: human being not having a great time. And then I
Speaker 1: started playing golf again and I realized, like, bro, you
Speaker 1: are so much more calmer of a human being on
Speaker 1: a golf course. Like patient, It's like everything you need
Speaker 1: to be be a human. He's got a job at
Speaker 1: a golf course and at like a retail store, and
Speaker 1: it was doing fittings there, and then from there I started.
Speaker 1: I got a brief job as like a demo tech
Speaker 1: with a different manufacturer, and then from there I was
Speaker 1: I worked for Club Champion, the fitting studio. We heard
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, So I was there for a number
Speaker 1: of years and then from there I jumped to PXG.
Speaker 1: Very cool, so I kind of like it's like, I
Speaker 1: gotta be in the golf industry.
Speaker 2: Do you like PXG's product.
Speaker 1: I love it, honestly, So I've had a chance to
Speaker 1: like see all the different brands and whatnot. B actually
Speaker 1: has stuff for the better like the tour pro player. Right,
Speaker 1: we have blades and CBS, but for the amateur golfer,
Speaker 1: even if you're a scratch golfer. I've met I've been
Speaker 1: a guy that day is a scratch golfer and he
Speaker 1: plays our XP's and most forgiving ahead because he's a
Speaker 1: little bit older and needs the distance. They definitely perform,
Speaker 1: if not one of the best, definitely probably the best.
Speaker 1: But the feel for our like our game improvement clubs
Speaker 1: or our hollow body clubs, is unreal compared to like
Speaker 1: the titleist T two hundred or those qis like those
Speaker 1: to me, those feel very plastically, plastically and clickie to
Speaker 1: where ours even though they're hollow, they're five times forged,
Speaker 1: so it still has a nice buttery feel like a
Speaker 1: blade would, but has all the benefits of like a
Speaker 1: game improvement club. I love pgs. I'm a too handicap,
Speaker 1: and I've hit more greens in regulation now that I
Speaker 1: switch to PXG.
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go over this a little bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, carry number is.
Speaker 1: Definitely at one fifty. These aren't bad clubs for you.
Speaker 1: Seventy three mile an hour club speed. Not too concerned
Speaker 1: with that. That's how fast you swing the club, right, right,
Speaker 1: It's not good, bad, ugly, that's just how come to
Speaker 1: the realization.
Speaker 2: Look, if you want tit the ball farther, you've got
Speaker 2: to increase. Your body strength is.
Speaker 1: Exactly fixed that the swing speed the gym or a
Speaker 1: time machine. Yeah, I don't tell either of those, so
Speaker 1: I am not concerned with that. What I'm concerned with
Speaker 1: is ball speed. Your ball speed is one hundred and
Speaker 1: five miles an hour on average, So for swinging seventy
Speaker 1: three miles an hour, five mile an hour ball speed
Speaker 1: is kind of fantastic, like out of this world. The
Speaker 1: reason I say that is your smash factor. Now, smash
Speaker 1: factor is going to be club speed divided by a
Speaker 1: ball speed, So it's like how efficiently you're transferring an
Speaker 1: energy from the club to the ball. PGA Tour average
Speaker 1: for a seven iron be around one point three to seven, right,
Speaker 1: and you're exceeding that at one point four to three.
Speaker 2: And isn't like smash factor. One point five is the
Speaker 2: ultimate goal, isn't that it?
Speaker 1: That is the USGA legal limit on how hot a
Speaker 1: club can be, and that's usually set. That's set for
Speaker 1: a driver. So if a driver gets tested at the
Speaker 1: PGA Super Show and it starts showing up at one
Speaker 1: five to four one five, the manufacturer has to pull
Speaker 1: it from production and redesign it because they've made it
Speaker 1: too hot.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I guess a couple of years ago Wilson did that
Speaker 1: and it kind of killed their company for a couple
Speaker 1: of years because they've made a driver that was just
Speaker 1: crazy hot. So one five zero is the max it
Speaker 1: can be. But that's gonna you're gonna see that in
Speaker 1: like a driver. So for a seven iron, one to
Speaker 1: three seven is a tour average, and you're at one
Speaker 1: point four to three. So keep an eye on the mailbox.
Speaker 1: Your tour card could be coming soon.
Speaker 2: I done that again. I played from the whites.
Speaker 1: I did want to see something here. Where are we
Speaker 1: hitting this on the fase? Oh? A little high? That's interesting.
Speaker 1: It sounded low. Launches at eighteen, which is good. Spin
Speaker 1: is super low at forty one, I'd say the biggest
Speaker 1: thing we got to do is get this ball up
Speaker 1: in the air a little bit more. Really, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: hitting a seven sixty nine feet in the air and
Speaker 1: your land angles at thirty nine. PGA Tour average would
Speaker 1: be forty five to fifty and so wow, PGA Tour
Speaker 1: is a long way away from us. Oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: if we can get closer to that forty five number,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a better chance to stop in the
Speaker 1: greens because right now your ball's rolling out about fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: and if we can cut that down to like twelve,
Speaker 1: I'd say that's the biggest goal.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now it's interesting, is just the practice swings that
Speaker 2: I've taken so far that looks like my ball flight?
Speaker 1: Yeah it's nice. Yeah it's one flat, which is good,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Feel like I feel like I've been hitting them high
Speaker 2: for me here, which is great, but you're saying higher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's launching good, like it comes off the
Speaker 1: club good. It just kind of dies out and falls
Speaker 1: out of sky because it's not spinning it all. Your
Speaker 1: spins at like thirty nine hundred I'm gonna have you
Speaker 1: hit the P head. Okay, we can go to the
Speaker 1: XP for we're not feeling the PEE, but the P
Speaker 1: is instantly going to get us a higher ballflight. And
Speaker 1: if you're shooting eighty one, you definitely can strike the
Speaker 1: ball a little bit.
Speaker 2: So you're going through the bag that has all the
Speaker 2: regular shafts in it.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I want to grab some that's a little heavier,
Speaker 1: a little lighter, and just kind of find your sweet
Speaker 1: spot as far as weight.
Speaker 2: Wow, that felt great. It looks beautiful. That seemed much higher.
Speaker 1: More ball speed on that definitely more height. That's the ball.
Speaker 1: That was crazy?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: So? Like I said, you hit yours mathematically almost as
Speaker 1: far as you could hit yours, and you hit that
Speaker 1: one a little That was one hundred and eleven ball
Speaker 1: speed compared to the one oh six. Whoa, that's a
Speaker 1: great shot.
Speaker 2: Thank you. There we go.
Speaker 1: It's a great ball. See when you hit it flush,
Speaker 1: it definitely gets a little higher. I do also want
Speaker 1: to have to hit the XP, but if we were
Speaker 1: to hit the XP, I would make it two degrees
Speaker 1: week going XP two week. Basically, it's like it's gonna
Speaker 1: match the lofts of the P, but with the forget
Speaker 1: more forgiveness. More similar to your QI, but with more loft.
Speaker 1: One of my most popular fields that I do.
Speaker 2: What are the different heads?
Speaker 1: Can you explain each two? So this is the xp
Speaker 1: our most forgiving model. It's three eleven. Three eleven means
Speaker 1: rifleman in the Marine Corps. Everything's kind of an od
Speaker 1: to the military bee Bob Parsons, So XP's are most forgiving.
Speaker 1: The P is pretty much similar technology, different lofts, little
Speaker 1: weaker lofts, but noticeably smaller head. And then you jump
Speaker 1: to the three seventeen it's a sniper in the Marine Corps,
Speaker 1: and the T head So all three of these are hollow,
Speaker 1: meaning on the inside it's forged, but on the NDEs
Speaker 1: injected with our Like on the GEN sign it's called
Speaker 1: our quantum core. On this T it's gonna be our polycore,
Speaker 1: so essentially think like a bouncy ball. So it's still
Speaker 1: very forgiving in the tea and in the page is
Speaker 1: a little bit smaller than XPEME. And then you got
Speaker 1: our black ops heads super game improvement, very big design.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: The biggest difference one is cost and then also it's
Speaker 1: cast it instead of forged. Some people don't tell can't
Speaker 1: tell the difference. I like to look at this as
Speaker 1: like our new to golf line. So some people come in,
Speaker 1: they're getting into golf and not trying to break the bank.
Speaker 1: Straight to the black ops heads, because they perform just
Speaker 1: as good as any of these heads. To me, they'll
Speaker 1: definitely feel a little different to the guy who just
Speaker 1: started playing off. He's not gonna know the difference, except
Speaker 1: for this one probably goes a little straighter. You can
Speaker 1: see it's taller too. Yep, you haven't really missed off
Speaker 1: the center of like you've been left and right of
Speaker 1: the face a little bit, but you're pretty much catching
Speaker 1: that center groove. So I don't even know if this
Speaker 1: would even be that.
Speaker 2: Necessary for you being the black ops.
Speaker 1: The black Ops. That's a great ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked really nice. That seemed to go forever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was right online.
Speaker 1: It was one hundred and ten ball speed. This is
Speaker 1: the XP head.
Speaker 2: Is that the change you made? Yep, hit it finn,
Speaker 2: but hit it well still. The line was really good.
Speaker 1: That's why I love PXG's. You definitely missed that one.
Speaker 1: We heard it. You even said it. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the same distance as your club is one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty one yards total or Kerry Boom.
Speaker 2: That one went further.
Speaker 1: That was pure Yeah, okay, so this works. We're going
Speaker 1: to test that first shaft and I would definitely do
Speaker 1: the XP's two week As far as the head, so
Speaker 1: just adding two degrees aloft, that's going to pick our
Speaker 1: height up a little bit where we need it to be.
Speaker 1: But just the construction of this club, you're heading it
Speaker 1: way further. But I think what is cool about PXG
Speaker 1: and it kind of separates us. Everybody that I work
Speaker 1: with at the store has been fitting for years with
Speaker 1: other companies. It's kind of like a recruit like they
Speaker 1: brought in really good fitters already, and then they train
Speaker 1: us on the prop. Extensive training on the product, so
Speaker 1: we know the product inside and out. But as far
Speaker 1: as the fitting process, what's gonna work for certain people
Speaker 1: swing putting the pieces of the puzzle together, as far
Speaker 1: as the numbers on the track. Man, everybody I work
Speaker 1: with at the store, we've all been in the golf
Speaker 1: industry forever and so fitting is like bread and butter
Speaker 1: to us, and I think that's what separates us right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the best shot so far today.
Speaker 1: Take a couple with this one. It's definitely going to
Speaker 1: be this or that our three hundred.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow wow meliky.
Speaker 1: Yeah that see, that's the potential of this club. It
Speaker 1: was one hundred and sixty three yard carry.
Speaker 2: Whoa that, don't screw up my game.
Speaker 1: There will be an adjustment period.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, and then it's drawn at the end
Speaker 2: there it's yeah, starting off right, but it's last two
Speaker 2: come back in. It's nice. That was the kind of
Speaker 2: shot that on the driving range people go, Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna hit anymore. I don't want to waste.
Speaker 1: Them for sure.
Speaker 2: What does that?
Speaker 1: My grandpa used to tell me I'd take me out
Speaker 1: the range light at night and spend the night at
Speaker 1: his house. He'd be like, Papa, let me hit war
Speaker 1: more ball. I got to end on a good one.
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, you ain't got it in your son,
Speaker 1: get in the car. Then I will be here all night, okay,
Speaker 1: so r on me all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my listeners told me a story about that.
Speaker 2: When he was young, playing with his dad, he threw.
Speaker 2: He got all upset and threw his club and his
Speaker 2: dad said you're not good enough to throw your clubs.
Speaker 1: That brings back memories. My grandpa used to be it
Speaker 1: was a big time club thrower. And he told me
Speaker 1: because we've been playing a lot of golf that summer,
Speaker 1: and he's like, brand, I know you probably just see
Speaker 1: me cussing on the course stone clubs. That's not you.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, all right, you're a kid. It's not
Speaker 1: the way to behave on a course. It's not good,
Speaker 1: you know. Don't don't be doing that stuff. You have
Speaker 1: big oldong lecture on the drying range. We go to
Speaker 1: the first tee, he skanks his drive and then just
Speaker 1: yet like cousins and just throws his driver down the
Speaker 1: middle of the fairway right after he just told me
Speaker 1: not to do that. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 2: That's a do as I say, not as I do, grandpa.
Speaker 1: Oh it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Shut boom.
Speaker 2: Wou'd you figure out?
Speaker 1: So your your clubs, like I said, worked very well
Speaker 1: for you. One hundred and six ball speed for only
Speaker 1: swinging seventy three miles an hour. It's outrageous amount of
Speaker 1: ball speed. You're getting every last bit out of it.
Speaker 1: A little low is one hundred and fifty one yards
Speaker 1: carry rolling out to one sixty five. Now we are
Speaker 1: at one hundred and ten ball speed smash factor one
Speaker 1: four to seven for a seven iron. Just so efficient
Speaker 1: carry is one sixty, so it's nine yard. It's one
Speaker 1: sixty point nine, so it's almost one sixty one. So
Speaker 1: let's be fair and call it rounded up a point
Speaker 1: and a ten yard gain of carry. It's still going
Speaker 1: just about the same height as yours. What I would
Speaker 1: suggest we do is we do make it two degrees
Speaker 1: weak and loft. The carry should probably stay at one
Speaker 1: sixty because now it's staying in the air longer. It's
Speaker 1: just less rollout.
Speaker 2: And we're hitting off of mats. Yeah, we're not heading
Speaker 2: off of grass, which I love hitting off of matt.
Speaker 1: I wish I could take one with me. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: be on tour if I could play off a matt. Sickening.
Speaker 1: I've seen people like I hate warming up practicing on mats.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel the opposite, like I like practicing
Speaker 1: off of mat because then I don't get like tormented
Speaker 1: by the game of golf. Correctcause you a good shot
Speaker 1: is a bad shot is still good. A good shot
Speaker 1: feels great off of mat and so maybe you're you're
Speaker 1: not that great of a golfer. Anyway, it's like you're
Speaker 1: gonna go torment yourself on grass the clubs are all dirty,
Speaker 1: Like at least this boosts your confidence and you take
Speaker 1: it out on the course. You're probably gonna shoot the
Speaker 1: same score no matter what. If you're practicing on a
Speaker 1: grass or matt, you're gonna shoot the same score ially.
Speaker 1: But if anything, you have more confidence going from matt
Speaker 1: to course, you might actually score better.
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, And to me, most of
Speaker 2: the grass ranges that I hid from are sand, so
Speaker 2: you're hitting off of sand. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: because they have to refresh the grass all the time,
Speaker 2: and you're not hitting off of you're hitting off of sand,
Speaker 2: and it's correct, makes it more difficult. One of the
Speaker 2: shots that I like to practice with my seven iron
Speaker 2: because of or than California, is the low one hundred
Speaker 2: yard shot, yep, because of all the trees that I
Speaker 2: get under.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, I'm too good at a punch cut out
Speaker 1: of the trees. I'm way too comfortable having to like
Speaker 1: hit a five iron fifteen feet off the ground and
Speaker 1: wrap it around a tree. Too comfortable at that. Now
Speaker 1: building of the set, do you go through four iron
Speaker 1: or five iron? Five five? Like it?
Speaker 2: Five? Then hybrid? I had a three hybrid and four hybrid.
Speaker 2: I jumped the three hybrid and went to a five wood.
Speaker 1: So yeah, three wood five wood, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Three wood five wood. According to Arcos, I'm hitting this
Speaker 2: driver like to forty to two forty five ish is
Speaker 2: like there range on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about my Black Ops driver
Speaker 2: is the magnetum, the headcut. Yeah, that you can just
Speaker 2: kind of stick it because I don't take carts. I
Speaker 2: always walk just so you walk with this bag. No, No,
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm you know. It wasn't a brutal walk
Speaker 2: to Chambers Bay last week, which is seven point two
Speaker 2: miles with a lot of that's crazy man elevation change.
Speaker 1: One of my schools of thought with fitting is that
Speaker 1: top end of the bag is where we can get
Speaker 1: more creative and really tailor it to your game, right,
Speaker 1: Like do you need this club that club or the
Speaker 1: third right, or do you need you know, hybrid in
Speaker 1: two woods or is it just one of each or
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. It's got to fit, not only
Speaker 1: like your ball speed numbers, but also your style of play. Oh, Bobby,
Speaker 1: did you write with fitting that driver? That was pure? Kids?
Speaker 1: Go to your room, Dad is home. That is what
Speaker 1: I like to say about that one that was popped
Speaker 1: my caddy at Chambers Base.
Speaker 2: Your best club in your bag. You just need to
Speaker 2: get a little more confident with your irons. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're still.
Speaker 1: New, give me another swing or two. Basically, what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do is, like I know the average ball
Speaker 1: speed on your seven iron right now, I want to
Speaker 1: get the average ball speed on your driver and just
Speaker 1: kind of fill in the gaps between that five iron
Speaker 1: and the driver there it is one one okay, and
Speaker 1: even get all of it or no, you're good, okay.
Speaker 1: So explain to me what you currently have in between
Speaker 1: the five iron.
Speaker 2: And the driver hybrid?
Speaker 1: Two woods okay, and what situations do you pull these.
Speaker 2: Out at two hundred and the five three wood I'll
Speaker 2: go to fifteen ish.
Speaker 1: There's your confidence level with the woods compared to the hybrid.
Speaker 2: The hybrid sometimes concerns me, but I also flec him
Speaker 2: in the rough the hybrid and don't have to hit
Speaker 2: it so hard. But I've gotten confident with these, like
Speaker 2: the three. Yeah, I do makes sense.
Speaker 1: I almost think that it's because you get these new
Speaker 1: ars irons ten yards further.
Speaker 2: It might not throw my game up for a while.
Speaker 2: Oh is that right?
Speaker 1: Maybe, but it might not be that necessary. But we
Speaker 1: could just put one in the bag of this just
Speaker 1: for funds easier. Okay, what you got black ops for
Speaker 1: hybrid with the same shaft that's in your irons? Uh
Speaker 1: huh beautiful.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a fade, but solid. Let's see
Speaker 2: if I can put it down that line there.
Speaker 1: You give me a favorite, k Hey your hybrid a
Speaker 1: few times? Sure, that was a good shot, really good.
Speaker 2: Your face was like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's good. Spends a lot. I'm gonna make you something
Speaker 1: real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, and this is a seven Never hit a
Speaker 2: seven wood before.
Speaker 1: They're fun becoming my favorite club in the bag.
Speaker 2: Is that right? Oh yeah, instead of a hybrid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't hit hybrids at all.
Speaker 2: Oh that was pretty very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went up high way higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And is that the point of the seven wood
Speaker 2: to get it up in the air.
Speaker 1: It depends. Everyone's different. Sometimes people launch hybrids so high
Speaker 1: and then this usually flattens out the ball flight. Other
Speaker 1: people it's the opposite. It's a lighter head. The center
Speaker 1: center of gravity is more back in the club, whereas
Speaker 1: the center of gravity on the hybrid's very up front.
Speaker 1: So some people have a tendency to hit hybrids a
Speaker 1: little bit hooky, and they hook them a little bit.
Speaker 1: Either launch real high or launch real low. When you
Speaker 1: hit this one good, it definitely goes higher. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's as consistent as the hybrid is
Speaker 1: for it. You don't hit the hybrid bad.
Speaker 2: Blow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I shake eponymous, Take one more the prove it?
Speaker 2: Swing race that from the memory bed right here.
Speaker 1: Let me help us out real quick. Delete that file.
Speaker 2: What are you adjusting here?
Speaker 1: I'm making the li angle flat and what was it before? Standard? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's better.
Speaker 2: A lot better. Hit behind it again. I heard it.
Speaker 1: Take a couple more now that's on flat. I don't
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 1: No, here's what we're gonna do. Put this hybrid in
Speaker 1: the back. I have a feeling that your five iron
Speaker 1: is gonna go as far as that hybrid is. Wow,
Speaker 1: But just to be sure out on the course, put
Speaker 1: the hybrid in the bag. But I kind of have
Speaker 1: a feeling just like ball speed wise, Like if you're so,
Speaker 1: if you're seven irons one hundred and ten ball speed,
Speaker 1: then your six iron will be one fifteen and your
Speaker 1: five iron will be one twenty. That hybrid and your
Speaker 1: hybrid were both hitting one twenty ball speed, which means
Speaker 1: that's what your current your new five iron is gonna be.
Speaker 1: So in theory, what you could probably end up aiming
Speaker 1: would just be five iron straight to five wood three.
Speaker 2: Wood unless I'm in the rough.
Speaker 1: That's where the hybrid rescue comes into play, exactly, put
Speaker 1: it in the back beautiful. Yeah, see that ballfly right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was It's not a stinger, but it's just nice
Speaker 1: and flats using spin to climb up in the air.
Speaker 1: Twelve to seven would kind of just launch straight up. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's why we would go hybrid.
Speaker 2: So do you get more roll on the hybrid than
Speaker 2: on the seven would for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure? Uh huh oh yeah. Like the role
Speaker 1: you're getting is like fifteen yards from two hundred yards out.
Speaker 1: I mean you're complaining. You know, if you hit a
Speaker 1: green from one hundred and eighty yards out rolls up
Speaker 1: to two hundred, you know, the flags in the front,
Speaker 1: and you rolled it to the back of the green
Speaker 1: from that distance. You're not complaining.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not complaining. I'm taking boughs. I'm hitting it
Speaker 2: down the line.
Speaker 1: Every time flat you having like duff one off the
Speaker 1: turf the whole time. It's just going from sitting right
Speaker 1: here to kind of sitting like that. Yeah, love it? Cool? Cool?
Speaker 1: So for the three wood five would yeah, since how
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily compress it super well, right, meaning we
Speaker 1: don't have to go any stiffer than what's in your driver.
Speaker 1: In your driver works very well. I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: go softer than that, just based on your speed. That's
Speaker 1: a great ball. I'd keep what's in your driver into
Speaker 1: the three wood. In five wood usually that's a good
Speaker 1: place to be, just kind of match the Woods's fifty
Speaker 1: five will go sixty five gram and the three in
Speaker 1: the five. Unless someone like cannot compress the ball or
Speaker 1: they compress it too much, then we'll have to go
Speaker 1: softer or siffer. That's not the case here. Get you
Speaker 1: the three and the five in the same setup as
Speaker 1: the driver.
Speaker 2: Cool oops, inside out.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: I didn't love the swing.
Speaker 1: But I like the result about the ball.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just put the three wind and five
Speaker 1: wood on flat as well. Okay, the hybrids in the
Speaker 1: woods are on flat, irons are on standard. It's just
Speaker 1: two week in long.
Speaker 3: Okay, love it.
Speaker 2: Love it all right, So we're done, done, We're good. Listen.
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