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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Mike Carley from Loudon, Tennessee, and I

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play at Telecool Village Tokua golf Course.

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Speaker 2: This was Golf Smarter number nine hundred and sixty three.

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Speaker 3: During my twenties, in addition to being an avid golfer,

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I also played a lot of billiards, including some competitive billiards.

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I was living in New York City at the time,

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so you can imagine there's some good pool players out

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that way, and I had the chance to play for

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the first time on what's called a tight pocket table.

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It's a descriptive name because it's tight pockets, and so

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what they've done is they've put wood shims into the

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sides of the pool pockets to shrink it by probably

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a half inch on both sides until it's fairly bigger

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than a pool ball. It's really challenging. You miss a

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lot of shots. It's very exacting, but as soon as

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you switch over to a regular pool table, you feel

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like you can't miss it. Almost feels like cheating. The

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pockets just feel so big. For sure. I think that

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experience was floating around somewhere in the back of my mind.

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Speaker 2: Simplify and fine tune your putting practice and warm up

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with Potter Cup by Matt Davis. This is Golf Smarter

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sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green. A little heads up about

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this episode before we begin, because there's more today than

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what you're expecting. When I first recorded today's episode, it

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felt a little shorter than what I usually deliver. So

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here's what we're going to do this week. We're going

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to feature two guests on two different topics, which is

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going to make this episode a little longer than usual.

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Hope that's okay. But it's a podcast, so you can

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posit at any time right now. If you remember, a

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couple of months ago, PXG sponsored Golf Smarter to talk

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about their new Black Ops driver. I went out for

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a fitting, recorded it, and then used that recording to

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create the ads that ran in the podcast. Well, a

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couple of weeks ago, I was very pleased to hear

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from my agency that PXG has renewed for another run

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once again. PXG invited me back out for another fitting,

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this time for Fairway Woods, A Hybrid and Irons. Yeah,

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I can honestly say that part of my love of

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doing this podcast is I get some pretty cool perks

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along the way. But here's what I wanted to explain.

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I learned so much from the fitter Brandon and found

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the fitting process to be so interesting that I wanted

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to share it with you now. Next week the PXG

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campaign is going to begin. But what I'm including in

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today's episode is completely my choosing, and in no way

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did PXG or my agency just that I do this,

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nor am I getting any extra compensation for including this

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in the episode. The full fitting was about ninety minutes,

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and I've cut it down to under thirty so you

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won't hear a lot of ball striking or downtime, and

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much of our conversation was tightened up to remove the

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dead space. I learned a lot during the fitting and

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felt it was worthy because I'm pretty sure you'll get

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something out of it too, especially if you've never been

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fitted for clubs, which could make a huge difference in

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your game. This is my fourth club fitting since I

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started playing golf in the late nineties, and each time,

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as my game progressed and I've learned more about how

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to be a better, smarter, golfer through the podcast getting

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fitted definitely improve my game. But for now, welcome to

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the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Matt oh Fred.

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Speaker 3: It's an honor to be here. Thank you so much

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for having me today.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's my honor to have you on the show

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because I love talking to people with unique and interesting ideas.

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And when you get an idea that's as like slap

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the forehead, Why didn't I think of that idea? Is

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exactly what you did, and this is something your product

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now sits in. I'm just teasing this, but your product

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is now in my golf bag for all the time

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because when I get to warm up for around, I

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use these because it does help. What we're talking about

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is a brand you've created called Putterer Cup. Please explain

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putter Cup for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it was a tough name to come up

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with because it's it's not necessarily a cup, but it

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certainly is part of putting. And so I can I

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have them here and I can show them to you.

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We currently have two products that are out in market

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today a third one that's coming down on the pipe

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pretty hot. But these are golf hole inserts, so they

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are there to be inserted into a golf hole, and

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they're really based on this premise that it's my personal

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belief that putting doesn't need to be overly physical, overly mechanical.

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It's a very simple act, but we can complicate it

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pretty quickly, and so these are really meant to be

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counter to that. And so one of them is called

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the speed bump, and I'll hold it up so you

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can see. It creates this three hundred and sixty degree

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raised incline around the golf hole, which does a couple

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of things. It forces you to make sure you're not

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leaving it short. Primarily, that's kind of one of the

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big ones, as you're thinking, I have to hit it

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hard enough because there's this little bit of resistance. But

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then there's the secondary benefit of because it's this three

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hundred and sixty degree ridge, if it's offline at all,

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the right speed. And so once you're standing over a putt,

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especially the short ones like six feet in under, and

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your knees might start knocking. This is meant to kind

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of help clear the noise and give you something really

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simple to think about, which is I'm going to just

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try and get it over this bump. So that's one

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Speaker 2: Let me just say that the Golf Smarter community is

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probably aware of these products because you actually were an

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advertiser on Golf Smarter, and we appreciate that very much.

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So I have talked about how one of my favorite

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parts about a training aid that doesn't it doesn't require

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batteries or it doesn't require you to plug it in

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at night or download anything. It's just a putting aid

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that is simple, concise, and pretty easy to figure out

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as soon as you get your hands on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm a golfer. I've been planning for thirty years.

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depending on nice where I'm at with my family life,

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and you know.

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Speaker 2: The profession of things, the fact that you get to

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play golf, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which I hope to play more of here in the

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near future. But I've I've purchased training aids as much

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as anybody. And I grew up without a ton of

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formal golf instruction, but I was largely self taught, give

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or take a little bit of guidance. During the summers

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when I'd get to visit my grandfather, which is whom

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I learned from, but certainly no formal instruction when it

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came to putting. The biggest lesson I ever got was

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firm in the back of the cup, and that was

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usually when we were playing, you know, for a nickel

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or something like that, and i'd have before.

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Speaker 2: Your grandfather was gambling with you.

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Speaker 3: We play match play for five cents a hole. Yeah,

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that was by the time I was That was that

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was by the time I was probably a teenager.

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and if you if you he beat you, did you

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have to pay up?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and made you pay.

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Speaker 3: By then, more often than not, I was winning. And

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he had a dime that he kept on his bureau

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until the day he passed. And it was one of

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the one of the days that he took it from

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me and he let me know about it. Yeah.

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not when when it came to putting, even full swing.

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adult life and got into the world of trying out

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training aids and the ones that I that I tried

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with putting were reflective of what's out there today. A

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lot of it is focused on either getting you to

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stand a certain way or to take back the putter

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just a certain way and have kind of a uniform

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arc to your putt, all in the name of trying

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to get it started on your starting line perfect. But

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the more I used those, the more I would find

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myself frozen on the actual first screen because all of

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those visual things were not there anymore. Or you have

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to set them up in just such a certain way

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that you're taking the same put over and over and over,

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which might help you groop a putting stroke, but you

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rarely get the same putt twice once you're on the

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golf course. And so they didn't they didn't stick with me,

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and oftentimes I felt like I was thinking more about

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whether or not I was taking it onto the golf course,

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and I wasn't thinking about the objective that was in

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front of me, which was you got to get it

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into that hole, or if you can't get it into it,

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make sure it's a very easy tap in. And so

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these training aids potter Cup kind of reflects that that

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upbringing that approach to putting, which is it's it's it

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should be simple. You know, you can hand a kid

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a putter and within minutes they'll start figuring it out

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without a lot of formal instruction.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm a golf smarter listener. And it was it was

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a note. It was an episode with mister Manzoni uh

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where he kind of gave a bit of a speech

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on putting and the importance of keeping it natural and

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not trying to manufacture anything. And while I never had

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the honor of meeting the man, I think he would

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appreciate and agree with some of the key design principles

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that I had in place with these, because it's really

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so far away from mechanics or trying to manufacture a stroke,

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and it's really more about just making more putts with

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whatever stroke you have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I apologize to the audience for both of

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us holding up visuals for an audio podcast, So we'll

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continue to do our best to describe exactly what we're

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talking about. What I'm holding here is probably one of

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the early iterations of this. Is that correct?

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of my garage. So I can't officially sam a garage startup,

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but you know, I am a what can be called

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a solopreneur, an entrepreneur, solo kind of stepping out to

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this world on my own. And yes, so I went

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through the process of working with computer assisted design firm

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so that I could get my three D renderings kind

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of ready for manufacturing and kind of learning all about

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how to translate that into injection molding and some of

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the limitations that come with you know, how small of

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a shape you can make and produce reliably. And so, yes, Fred,

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the ones that I sent you back a few months ago,

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reflecting kind of V one version one of the design,

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and we do have our second wave coming. We did

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make a couple of tweaks to one of the products,

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Speaker 2: Well. The thing that I am so attracted to this

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is guy like talking to solopreneurs as one myself. But

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a potential product that could work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there were there were two kind of more

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obvious inspirations behind it. So one is, during my twenties,

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in addition to being an avid golfer, I also played

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a lot of billiards, including some competitive competitive billiards. And

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that way. And I had the chance to play for

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the first time on what's called a tight pocket table,

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and it's a descriptive name because it's tight pockets. And

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the sides of the pool pockets to shrink it bye,

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probably a half inch on both sides, until it's barely

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bigger than a pool ball. And I remember, it's really challenging.

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pool table, you feel like you can't miss. It almost

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feels like cheating. The pockets just feel so big. And

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somewhere in the back of my mind. And yeah, and

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have a local now chain of mini golf pubs. It's

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called the Flat Stick Pub. I've gotten to know the

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owners over the years. They're wonderful guys. But when they

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first opened, they had these tiny cups, just like a

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tight pocket table. It felt like they were barely big

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enough for the golf ball to get into, really, and

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I remember that after having played there a few times.

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visualizing their cups because it was so exacting, and I

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found myself making more putts because of it. And so

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a couple of I think, just again, those are like

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visual representations things that I've experienced that I think we're

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kind of floating around in there. And then I think

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there was just this kind of great convergence of some

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of the life experiences you have to have wants, an

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idea comes to figure out how to make it happen.

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I've always had an entrepreneurial bug ever since childhood. I

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was the kid who was knocking on doors asking if

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I could know your lawn for a few bucks, and

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that's just, you know, that's always that's always been part

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of who I am. And then certainly a love of

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golf I've been planned since I was thirteen. I could

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never stop. I love it too much. And so certainly

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those two parts of who I am have floated, floated

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around for a long time. And then I had the

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chance to just be lucky in my life. My wife

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grew up doing professional ballet, and I had the chance

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to watch her, coming out of the pandemic, start a

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ballet studio and start her own business. My career by

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trade has been market research, corporate market research for almost

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twenty years, which has functioned as a great slow cooker

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for some of these kind of inner ambitions of learning

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how to kind of take something that's an idea and

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put it all the way through into how you bring

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something to market. And so there were these aspects of

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life that were happening, and then I'd had these kind

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of design inspirations for you know, what can help make

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people better at something just by concentration. And so it was.

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It was November of twenty twenty two. We have two

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young kids, and one of my kids woke up that night.

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I was feeling ill, so we attended to him, and

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before I could fall back asleep, just the idea for

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the speed bump popped into my mind. I reached over

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and kept my wife from falling back asleep. Thank you

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to me, wife. But I said, hey, I think I

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just had an idea for something that I think any

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golfer could use. You don't have to be a scratch,

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you can be just starting out. You could be any

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age because it operates on this principle that putting is

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ninety percent mental and you will make more putts just

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by concentrating and keeping your mind clear a bit more.

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And it started with the speed bump. Over the next

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few days it kind of morphed into the second product,

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which is the center cup, which is more of a

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traditional whole reducer. There's no kind of bump to it

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or anything. It just shrinks the size of the hole

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by an inch, so it's a bit more like a

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tight pocket table design. I can tell you I've seen

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whole reducers out there. This is not the first whole

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reducer that's existed. The thing I like about it, though,

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trying to figure out how to insert something into a

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golf hole is not as straightforward as you might think,

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because there's variation in what's out there in the world.

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And so with my first crack at it, I thought

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to myself, well, a golf hole is four and a

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quarter inches. They're all four and a quarter inches, and

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so I'll make the speed bump fit in a golf

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hole that's four and a quarter inches. Well, that's not

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exactly true. Depending on what course you play at, you

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might have varying cup styles, particularly on the practice screens,

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and some golf courses have cups that go right up

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flush to the surface of the ground. There's no gap

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for a potter cup to fit into. And so that

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was a good learning and you'll be happy to hear,

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and I'm happy to get you a V two where

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we've adjusted that kind of base portion of the product

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so that can fit into any golf hole, including you

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know the ones that, for example, indoor golf facilities might

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have a turf practice you can use potter cups there

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as well, and so it addresses that issue because those

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almost never are the full four and a quarter inch

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golf right.

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Speaker 2: And that was the first thing I did, is I've

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talked about that. I have a practice putting green in

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my backyard and I went right to it and just

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tried to reduce the size of the hole, just to

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make sure that my entry point, you know, is a

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lot more concise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And so I've heard you mentioned a couple

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of times you recently switched over to the DF three

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from LAB.

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Speaker 2: I two have, and now you're doing a DF three

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on the broomstick.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the broomstick.

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Speaker 2: I just moved over to it. I've just played a

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couple of rounds with it, and I really like it. Yeah,

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I'm a complete lab rat. So yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: Going to ask if you'd heard that term, because that's

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what some some friends of mine are now calling us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually they're even now have merch with the labrat

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logo on it, and my my putter headcover is the

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lab rat the labor Yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying that

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I came up with that term, but I went early

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on with with Sam Hun I had mentioned I'm, you know, labrat.

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I just mentioned it. Whether that's stuck or you already

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knew it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So my experience has has mirrored yours with that,

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and it's easier to kind of roll the putt where intended,

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right the start line. And so I'd like to think that,

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you know, putter cups help you train your eye and

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get your eye where you want it to go and

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then hopefully you have putter that you can consistently get

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it on your start line. And I don't mean to

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put down any of the other training aims. I think

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anything that helps you do the same thing, whatever it is,

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over and over again, will help. Right, it's whatever your

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stroke is. As long as you're comfortable, your grip feels comfortable,

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and you can reliably kind of get it on that

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start line every time, all the more power to you.

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I just in my experience, I felt like I was

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fighting my natural putting stroke more than more than I

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wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me say right now, let me congratulate you,

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because the one thing that I've noticed in all these

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years of talking to solopreneurs who have an idea is

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that you have to have a supportive partner at home,

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because if you're trying to develop something and grow it

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and build it from nothing, from just an idea that

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you had. Once you start hearing the fingers tapping on

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the desktop or on the you know, on I don't

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mean computer desktop, I meant like on the kitchen table.

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All right, once you start hearing the noise like this, like, okay,

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you've done yet, did you get your job, your la

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las out. You know, are you are you ready to

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go back to work? If you have somebody who's not

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doing that, you're way ahead of the game. It's really

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critical to have that support at home.

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Speaker 3: I am very lucky and she can relate. Ballet is

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obviously a very different business than a golf training aid,

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but she can relate in so many ways. And it's

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an amazing time to be doing this. I mentioned right like,

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I've had that kind of drive since I was a kid.

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But the resources that are out there, even if it

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had been twenty years ago, I don't know if I

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would have been able to make the kind of progress

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that I have in the time that I have, just

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because you know, you can pop open a web browser

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and partner with so many different people with different areas

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of subjects matter expertise, whether it's computer design, whether it's

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prototype three D printing, even finding manufacturers, it's all. It's

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all out there. It just requires diligence patients, and like

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what can happen when you find out every golf hole

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is not exactly four point two five inches some course

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correction and some learning at thrink.

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Speaker 2: I understand you do some work up in the Seattle

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area with First Tea.

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Speaker 1: I do I do that cup?

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Speaker 2: Or is it I got to know?

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Speaker 3: I got to know First Tea largely through the first

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chapter of my career. There's a pretty prominent First Tea

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fundraising scramble that happens once a year in October up here,

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and I've played in it for ten years, eleven years,

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and it's always the same folks from the First Tea

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are there every year, and so we've kind of become

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acquaintances that way. We recognize each other every year. And

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I placed just so much value and appreciation for their

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mission and what they do, because I would have been

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the perfect kid to participate in it had it existed

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where I grew up. So I grew up called Waterbury, Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: And why would you been a great candidate for First Team?

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Speaker 3: Well, as I understand it, it supports areas where kids

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don't necessarily have the resources to go heavy into golf.

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And I loved golf and I was lucky. You know,

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we never were short of food on the table, but

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finances were always a tension in my family. And so

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my first set of clubs was a set of Hogan

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Edge forged Irons, from the late eighties. It was a

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set of hand me downs from my grandfather. That was

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the set that I learned to play with.

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Speaker 2: I hope you pay for those No, No.

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Speaker 3: Except for that dime exactly bureau from from beating me

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in match play. And then my high school was lucky

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to have six kids to have a golf team, uh

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and a volunteer teacher to coach it. And I used

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coach very generously, wonderful man, but in no position to

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teach any of us how to play golf. It was

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more of like a supervisory type Roland So but I

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loved I loved golf and would have been there had

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the first he existed in the area where I grew

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up and benefited from the lessons of golf growing up.

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It's it's definitely part of my part of my DNA.

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I can tell you that's.

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Speaker 2: What I love about doing that work. I mean, I've

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now for the last couple of months, I've been coaching

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on first tea when I'm not traveling, and it's to me,

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it's not so much teaching young kids and I'm working

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with six to ten year olds on how to play golf.

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I'm trying to teach them the values that the golf

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in parts so that you can be a better person. Yeah,

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and I think that golf has a lot of lessons

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like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I decided pretty early on that if there

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was an opportunity to partner with the First Tea with

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Potter Cup, I would want to do it. I believe,

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I believe in companies that do good and do well,

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and so for now it's it's pretty simple and straightforward.

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We just donate five percent of our sales to the

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First te so that the more we grow, the more

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we can support them. Who knows what the future might

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hold in terms of growing that partnership, but for now

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it was a great start and I do I value

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what they do for kids so much so if I can,

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if I can help them to do that, I absolutely

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want to.

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Speaker 2: That's phenomenal. Are you open to suggestions on ideas for this?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely for putter Cup, because I.

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Speaker 2: Have one suggestion, and you know, I've talked to so

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many different golf instructors, especially love talking to people about putting.

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And one of the things that even when I was

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getting my tutorial from Sam Hun about how to use

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the broomstick, he was going to suggest because we were

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talking about pace, right, because it's not just the line,

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it's the pace as well. And something I think I

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saw a video with Dustin Johnson talking about this and

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why his putting got so much better, is that you

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think of the hole as a clock face and the

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direction you're coming from is six o'clock. But most holes

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don't go in directly at six clock. Maybe they come

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in it five o'clock or seven o'clock. Right. So my suggestion,

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I think it's obvious where I'm going with this is marks,

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you know, like twelve marks, just like a clock face,

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so that you can aim for a specific mark to

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get the ball to roll intwo from that direction.

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Speaker 3: It's a great suggestion. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're partners now.

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Speaker 3: Yeay. One of my one of my favorite drills.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that dime from your grandfather for that idea, okay, deal.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite drills to do actually with the

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speed bump is to take twelve golf balls and make

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00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:42,920
a clock face.

481
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

482
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: And it's it's not a long but it's only three

483
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880
and a half four feet and the goal is to

484
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,000
try and make all twelve. I've made it up to eleven.

485
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:55,680
I have yet to make all twelve because it is

486
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880
it is. It's tricky, you know, it makes it makes

487
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,119
the effective size of the whole smaller. But I can

488
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,559
say that as soon as I take it out, I

489
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:08,000
do make all twelve regularly, which is which is the

490
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:08,680
ultimate gold.

491
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: It's amazing to make the.

492
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,559
Speaker 3: Real to make the real whole feel.

493
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I would do that drill frequently as well.

494
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,759
And when I was using my thirty three inch putter,

495
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,440
I would just put the putter head in the cup

496
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,079
and then rotate it around, placing a ball at the end.

497
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,079
He just went, wow, you know what. I just realized,

498
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,640
Oh my gosh, with the broomstick putter. And they say,

499
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,400
is that inside the leather now forty inches long? Yeah,

500
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,119
that's in the leather.

501
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: We're good.

502
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a lot of gimmis coming your way.

503
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna my friends are gonna hate me for that one.

504
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:51,799
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, well, we do to your point around feedback,

505
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,759
we do have a couple of exciting things coming down

506
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,680
the pipe. So one of the one of the things

507
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,799
that's been the most encouraged as as this has has

508
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:05,920
gone along, as I've had folks from the industry reaching

509
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,920
out and so for example, I've had a number of

510
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:15,640
PGA not touring pros, but PGA professionals, teaching professional teaching

511
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,039
professionals reach out and pick them up. And so to

512
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:26,799
have folks who like yourself, have have seen probably everything

513
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,160
in the way of training aids, to have that kind

514
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,799
of positive feedback has been really really wonderful. But also

515
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,440
retail channel. So I listened to your recent episode with

516
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,319
the co founder of Red Rooster, and you were asking

517
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,119
about direct to consumer versus the retail channel and just

518
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,880
kind of the nature of the golf industry and how

519
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,319
to pick the right path for putter cup. Certainly, this

520
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,200
is something that I want to get onto store shelves.

521
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,680
That's where you know, so much of the golfing population

522
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,279
is likely to see something for the first time and

523
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,920
buy it. And so another great vote of confidence has

524
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:14,000
been actually retailers and distributors reaching out as well with

525
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,839
interest in potentially carrying putter cups. It's just another great

526
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,240
kind of vote of confidence that people see something that

527
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,079
is on the rise and something that they want to

528
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:28,839
get involved with early on. So I wouldn't be too

529
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,119
surprised if within the next few months here you might

530
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,160
start seeing putter cups on store shelves and some retailers

531
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,119
near you. So that's that's been a great again, great

532
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,960
vote of confidence that we're in the right direction. Of course,

533
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,039
I mentioned I'm doing this all myself, and that includes

534
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,680
learning how to create content, run ad campaigns on you know,

535
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,480
whether it's Facebook or Instagram. And actually just this week

536
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:02,440
we had our first kind of video go viral. As

537
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000
of the last time I looked her up to eighty

538
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,119
five thousand views on a video of the speed bump

539
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:13,759
in action. Really simple video, just kind of showing how

540
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,400
it works. Right, anything too hard, too soft offline, it's

541
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,039
going to punish you a little bit, but it'll make

542
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,000
you better as soon as soon as it's not in

543
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,319
the hole.

544
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:26,119
Speaker 2: So is the PGA superstore or Worldwide Golf come to

545
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,319
you and say, yeah, we'd like to put these. Let's

546
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,119
start with a half a dozen of these in every

547
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,000
one of our locations. How's your supply chain? Can you

548
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:36,160
pull it off? Oh?

549
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,759
Speaker 3: Ready to go? Ready to yeah? Yeah, that's and that's

550
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,680
kind of always been been the goal. I've had fun.

551
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,480
It's certainly been a lot of great learning to specifically

552
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:50,279
how to describe them because they're different from other plutting training.

553
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,319
It's again, it's not about your stroke, it's not about

554
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,960
your stance. It's just you and the hole. As much

555
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,079
as the real thing is you can can get. And

556
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:06,480
so yeah, we've onboarded a new manufacturer recently to increase

557
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,960
I think the quality a little bit. We've got some

558
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,799
nice branding now silk screen printed right onto the products,

559
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,319
which makes it look real good. But we actually also

560
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:22,039
have a third product, and personally selfishly but also because

561
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,960
I think it works. All three of them have a

562
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,480
distinct use case. But early on I realized not every

563
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,400
practice screen even punches golf holes anymore. Some of them

564
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,240
just put posts in the ground, and you know, to

565
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,240
each their own. Some people stick a tea in the

566
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,119
ground and put to a tee. But if a golf

567
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,640
hole is something that you want to put to, and

568
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
certainly you need a golf hole to use the speed

569
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,000
bump in the center cup, those practice screens are kind

570
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:53,519
of off limits for Potterer cup. And so I realized that,

571
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:58,200
and so our third product, which I'll describe it to folks,

572
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:01,720
but it's essentially a portable golf hole. It's it kind

573
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,319
of looks like a silicone frisbee with a golf hole

574
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,719
cut out of the middle of it. But it employs

575
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,119
the same benefit as the speed bump of having that

576
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,360
kind of raised edge around the outside. So you still

577
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000
have to give it a little bit of speed, but

578
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,519
not too much or it bounces over it and it's

579
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,800
got to be online or else it'll get deflected. But

580
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,320
now you can you can kind of get the benefits

581
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,639
of the speed bump anywhere. And so we're calling this

582
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,599
the to go cup. It's going to be you know,

583
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,159
part of what I think is going to be the

584
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,079
three pack is what you're going to likely see on

585
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:35,679
store shelf.

586
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: How deep is your to go cup? I mean, if

587
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,400
you if you hit it in and it goes in

588
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,639
the hole but it's a little bit strong, will it

589
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,039
bounce out and keep going or it will it is

590
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,679
shallow enough that it will hold it steady.

591
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: So let me answer this a couple of different ways,

592
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,760
because like, let's say you're putting in your living room.

593
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:03,320
If you have thicker carpet and that's what you're putting on,

594
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,880
this height of about three quarters of an inch is

595
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,559
very likely going to hold to itself. But if you're

596
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,960
on a practice putting green or like let's say you're

597
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,519
in a hotel room where your carpet is not as

598
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:20,039
thick and it's running a little bit faster, the same

599
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:23,159
speed would carry over the hole. And so one of

600
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,679
the things we've done to address that is, you know,

601
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,760
I mentioned the speed bump. We updated it so that

602
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,559
I could fit into any golf hole regardless of what

603
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,840
the cup situation is. You can actually take the speed

604
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,920
bump and plug it directly into the to go cup

605
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,000
and so it actually adds it adds some height, and

606
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,679
it's you know, it's very precisely engineered that it's a

607
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,079
you know, perfectly flat edged there. It creates that unbroken edge.

608
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:53,519
So if you are on a faster surface where it

609
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,559
doesn't get to be too hard to pop it over

610
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,000
that to go cup, you can add the speed bumper

611
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,400
and it will give you that extra heighth thing you need,

612
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880
perfect perfect, And if you're feeling and if you're feeling

613
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,320
really sadistic, you can also plug the center cup into

614
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,119
it as well, which would give you that three in

615
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,079
a quarter inch golf al instead of a four and

616
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,440
a quarter inch golf all. So they're meant they're meant

617
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,400
to compliment each other and really give you the chance

618
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,239
to benefit. And a number of locations.

619
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: Well, I want to make sure that everybody knows that

620
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,519
it's puttercupgolf dot com. And when we were running the campaign,

621
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,800
you offered golf Smarter listeners twenty percent discount if they

622
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,280
use the checkout code golf Smarter. Is that still in effect.

623
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: It's still in effect, it's still awsome.

624
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:42,159
Speaker 2: And what's your price points?

625
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you want to buy just one of them,

626
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,840
they all sell for seventeen ninety nine individually. We of

627
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,440
course believe that each has its own benefit, and so

628
00:36:55,039 --> 00:37:00,239
ninety six percent, ninety six percent of our transactions are

629
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,639
what we call the pressure pot combo. It's both of them,

630
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,000
both the speed Bump and the center cup. And with

631
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:10,400
that one's twenty nine ninety nine, so we've kind of rewarded,

632
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:11,840
you know, folks who are buying both.

633
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a great deal one and so.

634
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, with that golf Smarter code and the twenty percent

635
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,519
off of that, you're you're getting down to I think

636
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:26,239
it's twenty four and then still TBD on what the

637
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,960
three pack is going to cost at retail. That of

638
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,000
course involves conversations with the stores as well, but I

639
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,440
do think that three pack is what you're likely to

640
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,960
see there. I think that the to go cup is

641
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:45,599
likely to have the most individual demand, and you know,

642
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,480
I should note if you want to be notified when

643
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:54,079
the to go Cup is publicly available, you can sign up.

644
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,239
I've never sent to this day a single marketing email.

645
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,280
Yet I receive a lot of marketing emails, and so

646
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,440
I know what it's like to be on the receiving

647
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,159
end of them, and I fully intend the first one

648
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,840
I send to be the announcement that to go come.

649
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: Have you tried anything like the kickstarter or anything like

650
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,239
that just to get the exposure and maybe even get

651
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,239
some investment so that you can bring that one to

652
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:19,960
market faster.

653
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: I have not yet.

654
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: I've so far I've been able to navigate without having

655
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:31,079
to worry about outside investment. Personally, that's just by iterating small, but.

656
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,079
Speaker 2: It's also a great way to get your exposure out

657
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:33,599
there and people.

658
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:35,559
Speaker 3: It's a really good point.

659
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,599
Speaker 2: You're not looking that these aren't going to be partners

660
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,440
or just people who go, yeah, I want one of those,

661
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,920
but I'm gonna I'm going to buy it a little

662
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,159
bit of a discount now until you get it out. Yeah.

663
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I heard I heard how how big of

664
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,079
the stuff that was for Red Rooster.

665
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,559
Speaker 2: Yes it was, Yes, it was definitely, dude. Thank you

666
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,119
so much for sharing this with us and for coming

667
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,679
on the show to discuss it more fully. I really

668
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,639
appreciate it, and we shall all the lock in the world.

669
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Thank you well, Thank thank you, Fred, and and thank

670
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,800
you for answering an email from you know, an upstart

671
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:13,719
golf entrepreneur several months back. You're just such a kind

672
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,880
ambassador for this game, and so I appreciate how gracious

673
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,960
you've been and inviting me and keeping in touches. This

674
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,719
has happened over the last few months.

675
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: Fred. I'm Brandon, Hi, Brandon Fitter here with PXG. Px's

676
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,199
always been ahead of the game as far as technology

677
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,199
with the Irons and definitely the Wedges, but it's fair

678
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,360
to say they've been a step behind all other manufacturers

679
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,119
with drivers until this Black OPS came out. It's just

680
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:45,519
like a world difference between like the past generations. They

681
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,159
don't even call it like Gen seven, to call it

682
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:51,760
complete rehaul of manufacturing engineering and the name of it right,

683
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,800
so it's called Black OPS they started with like pretty

684
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,000
much the same, very similar manufacturing process to Calloway. They've

685
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,079
always been really good drivers.

686
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: It was I was. I've been a Callaway driver guy

687
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,280
for years.

688
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: It's very fair to be one. Pretty much all carbon design,

689
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,719
so the soul in the crown of the club is

690
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,760
pretty much made all of carbon. So when that does

691
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,519
is saves the engineer weight so they can take that

692
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:18,400
extra weight and put it behind the face, making the

693
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,400
face super hot and super consistent. From what I've seen

694
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,280
in the base, definitely one of the best drivers in

695
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,639
the market, if not the best market driver in the market.

696
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,360
So I'm glad you already have it. So I'm not

697
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,360
doing driver? What about Woods? So we're doing I've been

698
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,679
told it's everything from just no wedges, just irons, driver,

699
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,239
whatever you need. But you already have the driver.

700
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,519
Speaker 2: Well I have the driver, Okay, I have a so

701
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,000
call Away three wood and a five wood and a

702
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:46,920
four hybrid.

703
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

704
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,079
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by many drivers.

705
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: I wait for them to come out with it.

706
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fascinating, and I would like to go all

707
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,519
the way down to gap Wedge.

708
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: Okay, but not the highbrids and woods. Take a peak

709
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:06,719
of them.

710
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: If if you know, if I could be a full

711
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,800
p X you bag, I'd do it.

712
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right. So you said you already

713
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,760
warmed up a little bit, Yeah, little bit.

714
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take a couple more songs playing with now.

715
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:21,000
So interestingly, these tailor made Q eyes are less than

716
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,639
three months old. Yep, so I've been playing with these

717
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,360
for about three months, and I if I got rid

718
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,000
of him, it's like, okay, okay, I'm a ten point

719
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:35,960
nine index sixty nine years old, right, so things are

720
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,559
slowing down.

721
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: You're a liar. You're forty nine years old. Thank you.

722
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,119
Speaker 2: You're younger than both my children. I can tell you

723
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:43,760
right now.

724
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,679
Speaker 1: How old do you think? I am?

725
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:47,159
Speaker 2: Thirty two?

726
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: Correct?

727
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: Good, guess right?

728
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:53,079
Speaker 1: I look my age? Cool? Yeah, what is it?

729
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: Twice week week?

730
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,199
Speaker 1: Okay?

731
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: Cool?

732
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: And you got a net in the backyard?

733
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: I do putting green like this. I'm a labrat. I

734
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,360
love lab golf.

735
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:06,639
Speaker 1: I can already tell we're gonna make a little bit

736
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:07,239
of improvement.

737
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Awesome. So how did you get to be Were you

738
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,239
trying to be a pro a professional golfer? Yeah?

739
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: No, no, I was in sales and I was living

740
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,840
in Los Angeles, so I was a car salesman by

741
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,159
day and then by night I would do stand up comedy. Really,

742
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,400
I was just so stressed out with life, I bet.

743
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,239
And then so I grew up playing golf. I grew

744
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,280
up playing all sports. I played college basketball, I played

745
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,239
high school golf.

746
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,199
Speaker 2: Where'd you go to college?

747
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: Settle Back Junior College. Okay, yeah, they had a really

748
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,880
good sports program. I got to watch them win the

749
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,360
state championship from the view of the bench. Nice a

750
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,440
great view. But anyway, So I was in sales doing

751
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,719
stand up comedy and just like just a tense, stressed

752
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,079
human being not having a great time. And then I

753
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,480
started playing golf again and I realized, like, bro, you

754
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:58,800
are so much more calmer of a human being on

755
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,840
a golf course. Like patient, It's like everything you need

756
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,599
to be be a human. He's got a job at

757
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:05,280
a golf course and at like a retail store, and

758
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,000
it was doing fittings there, and then from there I started.

759
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:10,800
I got a brief job as like a demo tech

760
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,760
with a different manufacturer, and then from there I was

761
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,880
I worked for Club Champion, the fitting studio. We heard

762
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,639
of them. Yeah, So I was there for a number

763
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,320
of years and then from there I jumped to PXG.

764
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,239
Very cool, so I kind of like it's like, I

765
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,400
gotta be in the golf industry.

766
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:26,119
Speaker 2: Do you like PXG's product.

767
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: I love it, honestly, So I've had a chance to

768
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,119
like see all the different brands and whatnot. B actually

769
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,719
has stuff for the better like the tour pro player. Right,

770
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,920
we have blades and CBS, but for the amateur golfer,

771
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,159
even if you're a scratch golfer. I've met I've been

772
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:45,559
a guy that day is a scratch golfer and he

773
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:47,719
plays our XP's and most forgiving ahead because he's a

774
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,119
little bit older and needs the distance. They definitely perform,

775
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,079
if not one of the best, definitely probably the best.

776
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,000
But the feel for our like our game improvement clubs

777
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:01,440
or our hollow body clubs, is unreal compared to like

778
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,559
the titleist T two hundred or those qis like those

779
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,039
to me, those feel very plastically, plastically and clickie to

780
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,960
where ours even though they're hollow, they're five times forged,

781
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:13,840
so it still has a nice buttery feel like a

782
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,840
blade would, but has all the benefits of like a

783
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,159
game improvement club. I love pgs. I'm a too handicap,

784
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,480
and I've hit more greens in regulation now that I

785
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:22,679
switch to PXG.

786
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm excited.

787
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go over this a little bit.

788
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: Okay, carry number is.

789
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: Definitely at one fifty. These aren't bad clubs for you.

790
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:34,280
Seventy three mile an hour club speed. Not too concerned

791
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,480
with that. That's how fast you swing the club, right, right,

792
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,639
It's not good, bad, ugly, that's just how come to

793
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:39,280
the realization.

794
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: Look, if you want tit the ball farther, you've got

795
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,280
to increase. Your body strength is.

796
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: Exactly fixed that the swing speed the gym or a

797
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,519
time machine. Yeah, I don't tell either of those, so

798
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,639
I am not concerned with that. What I'm concerned with

799
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:55,679
is ball speed. Your ball speed is one hundred and

800
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,519
five miles an hour on average, So for swinging seventy

801
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,159
three miles an hour, five mile an hour ball speed

802
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,280
is kind of fantastic, like out of this world. The

803
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,760
reason I say that is your smash factor. Now, smash

804
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,280
factor is going to be club speed divided by a

805
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,920
ball speed, So it's like how efficiently you're transferring an

806
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,280
energy from the club to the ball. PGA Tour average

807
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,480
for a seven iron be around one point three to seven, right,

808
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,360
and you're exceeding that at one point four to three.

809
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,039
Speaker 2: And isn't like smash factor. One point five is the

810
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:22,280
ultimate goal, isn't that it?

811
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,559
Speaker 1: That is the USGA legal limit on how hot a

812
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,480
club can be, and that's usually set. That's set for

813
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,360
a driver. So if a driver gets tested at the

814
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,079
PGA Super Show and it starts showing up at one

815
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,599
five to four one five, the manufacturer has to pull

816
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,679
it from production and redesign it because they've made it

817
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:39,079
too hot.

818
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: Wow.

819
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,519
Speaker 1: I guess a couple of years ago Wilson did that

820
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,440
and it kind of killed their company for a couple

821
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,000
of years because they've made a driver that was just

822
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,639
crazy hot. So one five zero is the max it

823
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:50,400
can be. But that's gonna you're gonna see that in

824
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,320
like a driver. So for a seven iron, one to

825
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,440
three seven is a tour average, and you're at one

826
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,400
point four to three. So keep an eye on the mailbox.

827
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,840
Your tour card could be coming soon.

828
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,039
Speaker 2: I done that again. I played from the whites.

829
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: I did want to see something here. Where are we

830
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,800
hitting this on the fase? Oh? A little high? That's interesting.

831
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,880
It sounded low. Launches at eighteen, which is good. Spin

832
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,480
is super low at forty one, I'd say the biggest

833
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,400
thing we got to do is get this ball up

834
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,639
in the air a little bit more. Really, Yeah, you're

835
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,440
hitting a seven sixty nine feet in the air and

836
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,119
your land angles at thirty nine. PGA Tour average would

837
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:33,519
be forty five to fifty and so wow, PGA Tour

838
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,519
is a long way away from us. Oh yeah, but

839
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:37,840
if we can get closer to that forty five number,

840
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,039
you're gonna have a better chance to stop in the

841
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:42,719
greens because right now your ball's rolling out about fifteen yards,

842
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,280
and if we can cut that down to like twelve,

843
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:46,800
I'd say that's the biggest goal.

844
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Now it's interesting, is just the practice swings that

845
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,039
I've taken so far that looks like my ball flight?

846
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,159
Speaker 1: Yeah it's nice. Yeah it's one flat, which is good,

847
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:56,480
but it doesn't.

848
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: Feel like I feel like I've been hitting them high

849
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,199
for me here, which is great, but you're saying higher.

850
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's launching good, like it comes off the

851
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,960
club good. It just kind of dies out and falls

852
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,480
out of sky because it's not spinning it all. Your

853
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,519
spins at like thirty nine hundred I'm gonna have you

854
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,000
hit the P head. Okay, we can go to the

855
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:16,800
XP for we're not feeling the PEE, but the P

856
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:19,360
is instantly going to get us a higher ballflight. And

857
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,480
if you're shooting eighty one, you definitely can strike the

858
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:23,159
ball a little bit.

859
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,119
Speaker 2: So you're going through the bag that has all the

860
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,280
regular shafts in it.

861
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,559
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I want to grab some that's a little heavier,

862
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,880
a little lighter, and just kind of find your sweet

863
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,880
spot as far as weight.

864
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: Wow, that felt great. It looks beautiful. That seemed much higher.

865
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,519
Speaker 1: More ball speed on that definitely more height. That's the ball.

866
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,719
That was crazy?

867
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:54,599
Speaker 2: What is that?

868
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: So? Like I said, you hit yours mathematically almost as

869
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,480
far as you could hit yours, and you hit that

870
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,440
one a little That was one hundred and eleven ball

871
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,920
speed compared to the one oh six. Whoa, that's a

872
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,480
great shot.

873
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: Thank you. There we go.

874
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: It's a great ball. See when you hit it flush,

875
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,079
it definitely gets a little higher. I do also want

876
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:14,840
to have to hit the XP, but if we were

877
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,440
to hit the XP, I would make it two degrees

878
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:20,199
week going XP two week. Basically, it's like it's gonna

879
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,800
match the lofts of the P, but with the forget

880
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,880
more forgiveness. More similar to your QI, but with more loft.

881
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,679
One of my most popular fields that I do.

882
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: What are the different heads?

883
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: Can you explain each two? So this is the xp

884
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,599
our most forgiving model. It's three eleven. Three eleven means

885
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:39,559
rifleman in the Marine Corps. Everything's kind of an od

886
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,880
to the military bee Bob Parsons, So XP's are most forgiving.

887
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,800
The P is pretty much similar technology, different lofts, little

888
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,000
weaker lofts, but noticeably smaller head. And then you jump

889
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,559
to the three seventeen it's a sniper in the Marine Corps,

890
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:57,840
and the T head So all three of these are hollow,

891
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,320
meaning on the inside it's forged, but on the NDEs

892
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,599
injected with our Like on the GEN sign it's called

893
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,480
our quantum core. On this T it's gonna be our polycore,

894
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,320
so essentially think like a bouncy ball. So it's still

895
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,800
very forgiving in the tea and in the page is

896
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,679
a little bit smaller than XPEME. And then you got

897
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:16,719
our black ops heads super game improvement, very big design.

898
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

899
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: The biggest difference one is cost and then also it's

900
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,159
cast it instead of forged. Some people don't tell can't

901
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,159
tell the difference. I like to look at this as

902
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,840
like our new to golf line. So some people come in,

903
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,599
they're getting into golf and not trying to break the bank.

904
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,280
Straight to the black ops heads, because they perform just

905
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,440
as good as any of these heads. To me, they'll

906
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,119
definitely feel a little different to the guy who just

907
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,199
started playing off. He's not gonna know the difference, except

908
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,719
for this one probably goes a little straighter. You can

909
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,760
see it's taller too. Yep, you haven't really missed off

910
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,840
the center of like you've been left and right of

911
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,840
the face a little bit, but you're pretty much catching

912
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,880
that center groove. So I don't even know if this

913
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,599
would even be that.

914
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: Necessary for you being the black ops.

915
00:49:52,920 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: The black Ops. That's a great ball.

916
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked really nice. That seemed to go forever. Yeah,

917
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,800
it was right online.

918
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: It was one hundred and ten ball speed. This is

919
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,280
the XP head.

920
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: Is that the change you made? Yep, hit it finn,

921
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,440
but hit it well still. The line was really good.

922
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,079
Speaker 1: That's why I love PXG's. You definitely missed that one.

923
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:25,800
We heard it. You even said it. Yeah, that was

924
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:28,719
the same distance as your club is one hundred and

925
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,719
fifty one yards total or Kerry Boom.

926
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,159
Speaker 2: That one went further.

927
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: That was pure Yeah, okay, so this works. We're going

928
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,199
to test that first shaft and I would definitely do

929
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,480
the XP's two week As far as the head, so

930
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:43,559
just adding two degrees aloft, that's going to pick our

931
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:44,960
height up a little bit where we need it to be.

932
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,440
But just the construction of this club, you're heading it

933
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,000
way further. But I think what is cool about PXG

934
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,480
and it kind of separates us. Everybody that I work

935
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,320
with at the store has been fitting for years with

936
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,559
other companies. It's kind of like a recruit like they

937
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,400
brought in really good fitters already, and then they train

938
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,320
us on the prop. Extensive training on the product, so

939
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,599
we know the product inside and out. But as far

940
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:06,920
as the fitting process, what's gonna work for certain people

941
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,400
swing putting the pieces of the puzzle together, as far

942
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,559
as the numbers on the track. Man, everybody I work

943
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,559
with at the store, we've all been in the golf

944
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,119
industry forever and so fitting is like bread and butter

945
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,760
to us, and I think that's what separates us right there.

946
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the best shot so far today.

947
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:27,119
Speaker 1: Take a couple with this one. It's definitely going to

948
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:29,079
be this or that our three hundred.

949
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow wow meliky.

950
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:38,039
Speaker 1: Yeah that see, that's the potential of this club. It

951
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:39,960
was one hundred and sixty three yard carry.

952
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: Whoa that, don't screw up my game.

953
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,119
Speaker 1: There will be an adjustment period.

954
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,679
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, and then it's drawn at the end

955
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,440
there it's yeah, starting off right, but it's last two

956
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,559
come back in. It's nice. That was the kind of

957
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:57,880
shot that on the driving range people go, Okay, I'm done.

958
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,960
I'm not gonna hit anymore. I don't want to waste.

959
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: Them for sure.

960
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: What does that?

961
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,119
Speaker 1: My grandpa used to tell me I'd take me out

962
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:05,559
the range light at night and spend the night at

963
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:07,159
his house. He'd be like, Papa, let me hit war

964
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:08,360
more ball. I got to end on a good one.

965
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,239
And he'd be like, you ain't got it in your son,

966
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,719
get in the car. Then I will be here all night, okay,

967
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,000
so r on me all the time.

968
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my listeners told me a story about that.

969
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,280
When he was young, playing with his dad, he threw.

970
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,119
He got all upset and threw his club and his

971
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:24,360
dad said you're not good enough to throw your clubs.

972
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:28,599
Speaker 1: That brings back memories. My grandpa used to be it

973
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:31,079
was a big time club thrower. And he told me

974
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,039
because we've been playing a lot of golf that summer,

975
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:34,360
and he's like, brand, I know you probably just see

976
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,119
me cussing on the course stone clubs. That's not you.

977
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,000
Don't do that, all right, you're a kid. It's not

978
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:40,199
the way to behave on a course. It's not good,

979
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,519
you know. Don't don't be doing that stuff. You have

980
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,400
big oldong lecture on the drying range. We go to

981
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,280
the first tee, he skanks his drive and then just

982
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:51,280
yet like cousins and just throws his driver down the

983
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,480
middle of the fairway right after he just told me

984
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:55,039
not to do that. I'll never forget it.

985
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,079
Speaker 2: That's a do as I say, not as I do, grandpa.

986
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: Oh it's beautiful.

987
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

988
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: Shut boom.

989
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,679
Speaker 2: Wou'd you figure out?

990
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: So your your clubs, like I said, worked very well

991
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,119
for you. One hundred and six ball speed for only

992
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,880
swinging seventy three miles an hour. It's outrageous amount of

993
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,800
ball speed. You're getting every last bit out of it.

994
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,639
A little low is one hundred and fifty one yards

995
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,480
carry rolling out to one sixty five. Now we are

996
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,760
at one hundred and ten ball speed smash factor one

997
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,719
four to seven for a seven iron. Just so efficient

998
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,280
carry is one sixty, so it's nine yard. It's one

999
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,559
sixty point nine, so it's almost one sixty one. So

1000
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:36,320
let's be fair and call it rounded up a point

1001
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,239
and a ten yard gain of carry. It's still going

1002
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,559
just about the same height as yours. What I would

1003
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:43,519
suggest we do is we do make it two degrees

1004
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:46,480
weak and loft. The carry should probably stay at one

1005
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:49,000
sixty because now it's staying in the air longer. It's

1006
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,480
just less rollout.

1007
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: And we're hitting off of mats. Yeah, we're not heading

1008
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,119
off of grass, which I love hitting off of matt.

1009
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: I wish I could take one with me. Yeah, I'd

1010
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,679
be on tour if I could play off a matt. Sickening.

1011
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,119
I've seen people like I hate warming up practicing on mats.

1012
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,199
I kind of feel the opposite, like I like practicing

1013
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,960
off of mat because then I don't get like tormented

1014
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,519
by the game of golf. Correctcause you a good shot

1015
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,320
is a bad shot is still good. A good shot

1016
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,800
feels great off of mat and so maybe you're you're

1017
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,039
not that great of a golfer. Anyway, it's like you're

1018
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,679
gonna go torment yourself on grass the clubs are all dirty,

1019
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,039
Like at least this boosts your confidence and you take

1020
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:29,840
it out on the course. You're probably gonna shoot the

1021
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,559
same score no matter what. If you're practicing on a

1022
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,880
grass or matt, you're gonna shoot the same score ially.

1023
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,239
But if anything, you have more confidence going from matt

1024
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:38,559
to course, you might actually score better.

1025
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, And to me, most of

1026
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,480
the grass ranges that I hid from are sand, so

1027
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:48,239
you're hitting off of sand. So it's like, you know,

1028
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,920
because they have to refresh the grass all the time,

1029
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,639
and you're not hitting off of you're hitting off of sand,

1030
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:56,559
and it's correct, makes it more difficult. One of the

1031
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,840
shots that I like to practice with my seven iron

1032
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,559
because of or than California, is the low one hundred

1033
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,880
yard shot, yep, because of all the trees that I

1034
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,400
get under.

1035
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, I'm too good at a punch cut out

1036
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:14,440
of the trees. I'm way too comfortable having to like

1037
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:16,960
hit a five iron fifteen feet off the ground and

1038
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,039
wrap it around a tree. Too comfortable at that. Now

1039
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:21,719
building of the set, do you go through four iron

1040
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,519
or five iron? Five five? Like it?

1041
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: Five? Then hybrid? I had a three hybrid and four hybrid.

1042
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,199
I jumped the three hybrid and went to a five wood.

1043
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, three wood five wood, Yeah.

1044
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: Three wood five wood. According to Arcos, I'm hitting this

1045
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,000
driver like to forty to two forty five ish is

1046
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:44,440
like there range on that.

1047
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1048
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,679
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about my Black Ops driver

1049
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:50,639
is the magnetum, the headcut. Yeah, that you can just

1050
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,599
kind of stick it because I don't take carts. I

1051
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,760
always walk just so you walk with this bag. No, No,

1052
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,679
I'm a I'm you know. It wasn't a brutal walk

1053
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,239
to Chambers Bay last week, which is seven point two

1054
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,000
miles with a lot of that's crazy man elevation change.

1055
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: One of my schools of thought with fitting is that

1056
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,880
top end of the bag is where we can get

1057
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,320
more creative and really tailor it to your game, right,

1058
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,960
Like do you need this club that club or the

1059
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,199
third right, or do you need you know, hybrid in

1060
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:23,920
two woods or is it just one of each or

1061
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,800
whatever it may be. It's got to fit, not only

1062
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,920
like your ball speed numbers, but also your style of play. Oh, Bobby,

1063
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,480
did you write with fitting that driver? That was pure? Kids?

1064
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:37,679
Go to your room, Dad is home. That is what

1065
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,320
I like to say about that one that was popped

1066
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,000
my caddy at Chambers Base.

1067
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: Your best club in your bag. You just need to

1068
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,639
get a little more confident with your irons. It's like, oh,

1069
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,440
they're still.

1070
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,559
Speaker 1: New, give me another swing or two. Basically, what I'm

1071
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:53,440
trying to do is, like I know the average ball

1072
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,719
speed on your seven iron right now, I want to

1073
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,199
get the average ball speed on your driver and just

1074
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,400
kind of fill in the gaps between that five iron

1075
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:08,760
and the driver there it is one one okay, and

1076
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,199
even get all of it or no, you're good, okay.

1077
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,400
So explain to me what you currently have in between

1078
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,239
the five iron.

1079
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:17,199
Speaker 2: And the driver hybrid?

1080
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: Two woods okay, and what situations do you pull these.

1081
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: Out at two hundred and the five three wood I'll

1082
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,840
go to fifteen ish.

1083
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: There's your confidence level with the woods compared to the hybrid.

1084
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: The hybrid sometimes concerns me, but I also flec him

1085
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,920
in the rough the hybrid and don't have to hit

1086
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,280
it so hard. But I've gotten confident with these, like

1087
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,320
the three. Yeah, I do makes sense.

1088
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,119
Speaker 1: I almost think that it's because you get these new

1089
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:50,880
ars irons ten yards further.

1090
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,639
Speaker 2: It might not throw my game up for a while.

1091
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,519
Oh is that right?

1092
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: Maybe, but it might not be that necessary. But we

1093
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,360
could just put one in the bag of this just

1094
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,039
for funds easier. Okay, what you got black ops for

1095
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,960
hybrid with the same shaft that's in your irons? Uh

1096
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,639
huh beautiful.

1097
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: A little bit of a fade, but solid. Let's see

1098
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,960
if I can put it down that line there.

1099
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,719
Speaker 1: You give me a favorite, k Hey your hybrid a

1100
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:26,159
few times? Sure, that was a good shot, really good.

1101
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: Your face was like, yeah.

1102
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:34,719
Speaker 1: It's good. Spends a lot. I'm gonna make you something

1103
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,159
real quick.

1104
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:42,599
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, and this is a seven Never hit a

1105
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:43,880
seven wood before.

1106
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: They're fun becoming my favorite club in the bag.

1107
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: Is that right? Oh yeah, instead of a hybrid.

1108
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:50,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't hit hybrids at all.

1109
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: Oh that was pretty very good.

1110
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went up high way higher.

1111
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And is that the point of the seven wood

1112
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,880
to get it up in the air.

1113
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:08,679
Speaker 1: It depends. Everyone's different. Sometimes people launch hybrids so high

1114
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:11,119
and then this usually flattens out the ball flight. Other

1115
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:15,360
people it's the opposite. It's a lighter head. The center

1116
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:19,559
center of gravity is more back in the club, whereas

1117
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,840
the center of gravity on the hybrid's very up front.

1118
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,239
So some people have a tendency to hit hybrids a

1119
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:26,920
little bit hooky, and they hook them a little bit.

1120
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,559
Either launch real high or launch real low. When you

1121
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:33,559
hit this one good, it definitely goes higher. Yeah, I

1122
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:35,400
don't know if it's as consistent as the hybrid is

1123
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,760
for it. You don't hit the hybrid bad.

1124
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: Blow?

1125
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I shake eponymous, Take one more the prove it?

1126
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: Swing race that from the memory bed right here.

1127
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: Let me help us out real quick. Delete that file.

1128
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,519
Speaker 2: What are you adjusting here?

1129
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:56,199
Speaker 1: I'm making the li angle flat and what was it before? Standard? Okay,

1130
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:57,679
that's better.

1131
00:59:57,679 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: A lot better. Hit behind it again. I heard it.

1132
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:04,199
Speaker 1: Take a couple more now that's on flat. I don't

1133
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:04,599
like it.

1134
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,559
Speaker 2: You don't.

1135
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: No, here's what we're gonna do. Put this hybrid in

1136
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,760
the back. I have a feeling that your five iron

1137
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,920
is gonna go as far as that hybrid is. Wow,

1138
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:18,840
But just to be sure out on the course, put

1139
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,079
the hybrid in the bag. But I kind of have

1140
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,480
a feeling just like ball speed wise, Like if you're so,

1141
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:25,880
if you're seven irons one hundred and ten ball speed,

1142
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:29,519
then your six iron will be one fifteen and your

1143
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,480
five iron will be one twenty. That hybrid and your

1144
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,039
hybrid were both hitting one twenty ball speed, which means

1145
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:37,119
that's what your current your new five iron is gonna be.

1146
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,320
So in theory, what you could probably end up aiming

1147
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,119
would just be five iron straight to five wood three.

1148
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,599
Speaker 2: Wood unless I'm in the rough.

1149
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,079
Speaker 1: That's where the hybrid rescue comes into play, exactly, put

1150
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:52,920
it in the back beautiful. Yeah, see that ballfly right there. Yeah,

1151
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,119
that was It's not a stinger, but it's just nice

1152
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,760
and flats using spin to climb up in the air.

1153
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,519
Twelve to seven would kind of just launch straight up. Yes,

1154
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,320
that's why we would go hybrid.

1155
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:04,199
Speaker 2: So do you get more roll on the hybrid than

1156
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:05,400
on the seven would for you?

1157
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure? Uh huh oh yeah. Like the role

1158
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,119
you're getting is like fifteen yards from two hundred yards out.

1159
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,400
I mean you're complaining. You know, if you hit a

1160
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,480
green from one hundred and eighty yards out rolls up

1161
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,039
to two hundred, you know, the flags in the front,

1162
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:21,320
and you rolled it to the back of the green

1163
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,360
from that distance. You're not complaining.

1164
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:28,679
Speaker 2: No, I'm not complaining. I'm taking boughs. I'm hitting it

1165
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:29,519
down the line.

1166
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,039
Speaker 1: Every time flat you having like duff one off the

1167
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:34,519
turf the whole time. It's just going from sitting right

1168
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:37,880
here to kind of sitting like that. Yeah, love it? Cool? Cool?

1169
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:40,920
So for the three wood five would yeah, since how

1170
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:44,599
you don't necessarily compress it super well, right, meaning we

1171
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:46,840
don't have to go any stiffer than what's in your driver.

1172
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:49,480
In your driver works very well. I wouldn't want to

1173
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,800
go softer than that, just based on your speed. That's

1174
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,960
a great ball. I'd keep what's in your driver into

1175
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,039
the three wood. In five wood usually that's a good

1176
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:00,320
place to be, just kind of match the Woods's fifty

1177
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,280
five will go sixty five gram and the three in

1178
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,199
the five. Unless someone like cannot compress the ball or

1179
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:08,639
they compress it too much, then we'll have to go

1180
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,800
softer or siffer. That's not the case here. Get you

1181
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,360
the three and the five in the same setup as

1182
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:13,760
the driver.

1183
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: Cool oops, inside out.

1184
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: There you go.

1185
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: I didn't love the swing.

1186
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: But I like the result about the ball.

1187
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just put the three wind and five

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wood on flat as well. Okay, the hybrids in the

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woods are on flat, irons are on standard. It's just

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two week in long.

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Speaker 3: Okay, love it.

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Speaker 2: Love it all right, So we're done, done, We're good. Listen.

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As I went to college to study radio and TV

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production and have spent my entire adult life recording one

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thing or another, I really enjoy slapping a wireless microphone

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on myself and whomever I'm talking to or playing with,

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like we did with Sam Hahn a couple of weeks ago,

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or my round the Olympic Club with Eric Scholberg back

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in June. And I'm still editing the conversation I had

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with my caddie at Chambers Bay, and that's coming up

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in a couple of weeks. But i'd really love to

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hear your thoughts and feedback on these remote recordings that

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I do out in the field and do they work

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in the podcast. And again, even though PXG is going

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to be paying for an ad campaign that starts next episode,

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this segment was not paid for, but I really do

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appreciate their support. This week's Golf Smarter Ambassador was Mike

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Harley from loudon Tennessee. As a Golf Smarter Ambassador, Mike

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has received a free link to Tony Manzoni's video of

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the Lost Fundamental, which was his gift just for sharing

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with us where he plays, where he lives, and which

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episode number this is. I'd like to invite you to

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also be a Golf Smarter Ambassador and choose from one

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of three great gifts that you'll receive once you play.

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Need to do is introduce a future episode. Just write

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to golf Smarter Podcast at gmail dot com and I'll

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get back to you with some very simple instructions on

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how to play. If you have any questions, comments, feedback

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