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Speaker 8: Daylon brown Back had lost to Paul Annoby all by himself,
Speaker 8: brows it down and Tittum is heart. Tartum is down.
Speaker 8: He wants a time out. Tatum is so much pain.
Speaker 8: I'm a Celtics pull time out, grabbing that right ankle
Speaker 8: and that's the final time out. Well the Boston Celtics,
Speaker 8: but more importantly, Tatum really shake it up.
Speaker 3: And that is the season for Jason Tatum, and was
Speaker 3: the season for the Boston Celtics. And cheer is going
Speaker 3: to be eh. Jackson tellivers with.
Speaker 9: Us, Well, first of all, you you never told me
Speaker 9: you were going to play that, Gary, so now I'm
Speaker 9: already emotionally triggered off off the top.
Speaker 3: No, you're emotionally triggered, period. You don't need that. You're
Speaker 3: a little off. That's why I like you well. When
Speaker 3: but I want to I want to start at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the series before we but before we get
Speaker 3: to that, the first two games, when the Celtics were
Speaker 3: playing the Knicks and they had leads of twenty points
Speaker 3: and they blew them both. What was going through your
Speaker 3: mind then?
Speaker 9: The first time, I said, there's no way this is
Speaker 9: going to be happening, and then it happened. And then
Speaker 9: the second time, I said, there's no way this is
Speaker 9: going to happen again, and then it happened again. I
Speaker 9: just was so angry at so many different things because
Speaker 9: it was a classic case of the Celtics beating themselves,
Speaker 9: which we've seen this so many times throughout the Tatum
Speaker 9: and Brown era, right in that Miami series when they
Speaker 9: went down three a couple of years ago of the
Speaker 9: Eastern Conference files when they had Kyrie Irving. E've been
Speaker 9: dating back to those days right where they just shot
Speaker 9: they just put themselves in these holes, and they dug
Speaker 9: themselves in these holes and made it difficult for them.
Speaker 9: And that's exactly what was going on here. Right you're
Speaker 9: screaming at Azoula first, because he's a coach, right, can
Speaker 9: we be adjusting something here? Clearly something isn't working. And
Speaker 9: of course, more than anything else, you're screaming at a
Speaker 9: three point shot because that's what they rely on and
Speaker 9: that and in that game one especially, they just go
Speaker 9: back to what they're used to, which is the isole ball,
Speaker 9: and they go up the court so slow and Tatum
Speaker 9: just you know, Jack's up a three and when he
Speaker 9: has it going, it's great. But like, they don't need
Speaker 9: threes at that moment. They need buckets, right, All they
Speaker 9: need is just simple scores. Uh. And And that's the
Speaker 9: most infuriating part is that, like I that that series
Speaker 9: to me was lost in the first two games. Whether
Speaker 9: or not Tatum goes down in that game, for they
Speaker 9: were gonna lose that game, right, So then you're down
Speaker 9: three to one. Uh And I don't know if that's
Speaker 9: something that they can come back from those those first
Speaker 9: two games. Is settling for those three pointers. I didn't
Speaker 9: like the shot selection at all. I think that's where
Speaker 9: it was lost.
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, I agree one hundred percent. And I think
Speaker 3: that led us into the world of Joe Mizula a
Speaker 3: little bit, because up until that point, I had been Okay,
Speaker 3: he's doing a good job, and it seems like he's
Speaker 3: Tatum's guy. So they won a championship. Fine, But when
Speaker 3: he came out and said that's what we do, We
Speaker 3: shoot threes, I just went idiot, moron, wrong answer, wrong answer,
Speaker 3: because you're a different team, and the key to being
Speaker 3: a good coach is adjusting. Now, Holiday was not the
Speaker 3: same guy, obviously, Porzingis obviously was not the same guy.
Speaker 3: So you can't win tossing up prayers when White's not
Speaker 3: making threes and Holiday and Perzingis are ineffective. You can't.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Porzingis was in a coma or something.
Speaker 3: Going on with the breathing.
Speaker 9: You know, yes, he has some some type of illness.
Speaker 9: But I mean we should also mention, you know, congrats
Speaker 9: to the Oklahoma City Thunder. They just advanced their first
Speaker 9: NBA Finals with twenty twelve. The Celtics aren't going to
Speaker 9: beat that Thunder team with you know, the way they
Speaker 9: were playing in that in that Knick series, So you know,
Speaker 9: you're totally right with the way that Porzingis was playing
Speaker 9: and the way that Drew was playing, they weren't gonna
Speaker 9: get by the Thunder. I don't know if they'd get
Speaker 9: by the Pacers, to be honest with you, and I
Speaker 9: think the Thunder are going to be clearly, clearly on
Speaker 9: their way to the twenty twenty five NBA Championship, winning
Speaker 9: in five. I think the Celtics was the only team
Speaker 9: that really could have stopped them. But you're right, Porzingis
Speaker 9: and Holiday just didn't look like themselves. You had streaky
Speaker 9: Knights from White. It just it was just a disaster.
Speaker 9: And in that Game four, I mean, Tatum was having
Speaker 9: one of the best games of his life and nobody
Speaker 9: else could give him a helping hand, nobody could do
Speaker 9: anything for him, and they just totally crumbled at the end.
Speaker 3: Tatum's my favorite player in the NBA, and I'll tell
Speaker 3: you why. Number One, I love his attitude. Number two.
Speaker 3: Last year when they won the NBA Championship, he couldn't
Speaker 3: shoot to save his life, and he got rich.
Speaker 9: He bounds.
Speaker 3: This year, he comes back, he carries him, he puts
Speaker 3: him on his back. He's got forty two points. That goes.
Speaker 3: He's my favorite player in the NBA. I love the guy.
Speaker 3: You know, you can have everybody else. I don't care.
Speaker 9: I can't say any anything bad about him. Honestly, I mean,
Speaker 9: he's not only on the court, but off the court.
Speaker 9: He's a great role model, he's a he's a great father.
Speaker 9: It seems like, right, he has no problems. You have
Speaker 9: all these guys that are you know, prima donnas, and
Speaker 9: they getting all these trouble, you know, problems off the court.
Speaker 9: But Tatum isn't. Isn't that guy and his play on
Speaker 9: the court is so remarkable. He's easily played himself into
Speaker 9: that top five level. Now all we can do is
Speaker 9: hope that he can get back to that when he
Speaker 9: comes off his injury.
Speaker 3: Now Brown, I think what has been underplayed is Brown
Speaker 3: was playing on one leg, right, Yeah, that was it
Speaker 3: was a factor. That was a factor, you know. And
Speaker 3: and the other thing I'm down on Missoula. Man, I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's a guy going forward when he
Speaker 3: just came out and he just said that's what we
Speaker 3: do is two threes, unlike really, I mean, and I
Speaker 3: know Brad backed them up, but.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've never been the biggest Maszula guy. When they
Speaker 9: went down on three against Miami, I was I was
Speaker 9: spreaing from to be fired. Obviously, last year they had
Speaker 9: their crazy run and he redeem himself.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 9: You're not going to call for a coach to be
Speaker 9: fired after he goes sixteen to three in the playoffs
Speaker 9: and win the championship, Right, But then you have to think, like, Okay,
Speaker 9: the roster that he had, the starting five, one of
Speaker 9: the best starting fives ever assembled in the history of
Speaker 9: the league. Right, So who wouldn't win with that roster? Right?
Speaker 9: And then you come out in these playoffs and it's,
Speaker 9: like we said a few minutes ago, there's just no adjustments.
Speaker 9: There's that is what he struggles with the most as
Speaker 9: a coach, making adjustments on the fly, calling timeouts. The
Speaker 9: timeout thing still blows my mind. How is he not
Speaker 9: learned that, like when to call timeouts when the appropriate
Speaker 9: time is to do so, and he just doesn't do it.
Speaker 9: And the adjustment thing is is is the biggest thing.
Speaker 9: It's like, you're up twenty points. You don't need to
Speaker 9: be jacking up threes. There's just no reason for it. Right.
Speaker 9: I understand that you sow into the math and the
Speaker 9: analytics and if we shoot x amount of threes and
Speaker 9: make x percent, we're going to win the game. Okay,
Speaker 9: if you're up by twenty and you keep scoring twos
Speaker 9: or free throws, you're gonna win the game. If you
Speaker 9: keep missing threes, you're giving the Knicks an opportunity to
Speaker 9: come back in the game when they have Jaylen Brunson.
Speaker 9: He's the clutch player of the year on the court.
Speaker 9: So I totally agree with you. But then you got
Speaker 9: to think who are the better options out there? I mean,
Speaker 9: you have Michael Malone who just got fired from Denver.
Speaker 9: I don't know. It's like when you're hiring a new
Speaker 9: coach in the NBA these days, you're kind of looking
Speaker 9: at used goods, right, because these guys have been fired
Speaker 9: and they've already been in situations that haven't worked out
Speaker 9: unless you want to go for an assistant. But that like,
Speaker 9: the Celtics have a win now roster. You know, if
Speaker 9: you fast forward through next year, so why you do that?
Speaker 9: Then you're kind of starting starting off fresh, right, So
Speaker 9: I don't know. I agree with you, but I don't
Speaker 9: know if there's a better option.
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound crazy, and it just popped into
Speaker 3: my head and it's late at night. I think Doc
Speaker 3: Rivers would be the perfect coach. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, no, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: You don't think I think he'd work well. You don't
Speaker 3: think he'd work well with these kids?
Speaker 9: Now, I was I was reading yesterday that Doc Rivers
Speaker 9: is one of the reasons why the Bucks feel confident
Speaker 9: Yoannest will stay. Apparently they have a really good relationship.
Speaker 3: Well, then he's not going to get anywhere. But I'm serious.
Speaker 3: Think about Okay, been with me for a minute, think
Speaker 3: about this. Okay, okay, Doc, when these guys are twenty
Speaker 3: two to twenty three, not happening. Doc, Now, I tell you,
Speaker 3: I think he'd be a great fit with them. It's
Speaker 3: not gonna happen because I think because I think that
Speaker 3: when players are mature. I mean you're talking about Jalen.
Speaker 3: I think Jalen and Doc would be great at twenty
Speaker 3: eight years old. I think they would connect. And I
Speaker 3: think and I also think Doc. I also think what
Speaker 3: people didn't see with Doc is he also knew when
Speaker 3: to kick some ass. I don't think Joe can do that.
Speaker 3: I still think Joe, I don't. I don't think he can.
Speaker 3: You know, I think Joe is he was Tatum's pick,
Speaker 3: and I think he's one of the guys. I think
Speaker 3: he's one of the guys. And I think Doc Doc
Speaker 3: could do it. It's not going to happen. I'm just
Speaker 3: talking on him, and you know what, but I you know,
Speaker 3: if you could find maybe a Van Gundy, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I think an older coach right now, because these guys
Speaker 3: would listen, I think that could work. I don't know
Speaker 3: who knows, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Like
Speaker 3: I think Rick Carlisle with this team would be great.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean he's going to be What what Rick
Speaker 9: Carlo is doing with the Pacers right now is making
Speaker 9: him the most highly coded coach in the NBA besides
Speaker 9: Daniel Wo's going to the finals right now. So yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean he I totally agree with you. Doctors has
Speaker 9: lost way too many Game seven's in recent years and
Speaker 9: going with me, and he's done it with just about
Speaker 9: every team that he's been on, but except this Bucks team.
Speaker 3: But I think the idea, Look, I'm not sold on
Speaker 3: Missoula right now, quite honestly, and next year is a
Speaker 3: lame duck year, but I think the idea of a
Speaker 3: veteran coach coming in with some pedigree, with these guys
Speaker 3: is not crazy. Anyways, We're gonna take a break, We're
Speaker 3: gonna talk. I want to talk about the Nicks and
Speaker 3: the Patriots. Plus we still get Patriots to go to
Speaker 3: and the sale of the Celtics with Jackson Tolliver next
Speaker 3: on WBZ.
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Speaker 3: Uh, did you hear about Jackson Telliver with us talking
Speaker 3: about the sets? Did you hear about the holiday thing
Speaker 3: in Dallas?
Speaker 9: Which one the one for PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I'm not concerned about what's coming back.
Speaker 3: But do you think that it's because they're going to
Speaker 3: get the kid from Duke, the kid from Maine with
Speaker 3: the number one pick? Do you do you think it's
Speaker 3: a wise move for them to bring in Holiday as
Speaker 3: a veteran.
Speaker 9: Oh? Totally yeah. I mean, so the roster would then
Speaker 9: be you have either Kyrie or Drew running point, assuming
Speaker 9: that Kyrie can come back reight because he towards a
Speaker 9: cl and march I believe so, Uh, that should put
Speaker 9: him on target to be back for a playoff run. Right,
Speaker 9: But let's say let's let's do that without Kyrie's lineup
Speaker 9: first you have Drew. You have a d obviously, and
Speaker 9: then you have Flag and then whatever other pieces sort
Speaker 9: of stick around after Uh, they do that Drew Holiday
Speaker 9: piece right because they'd have to send something back to Boston.
Speaker 9: But that's three right there. And then you throw Kyrie
Speaker 9: in right before the playoffs. Uh, that's a pretty dangerous team.
Speaker 9: And Dallas is so lucky to be in that position, man.
Speaker 9: I mean, you've got a feel for teams like Utah
Speaker 9: and Washington who were just so so bad all year,
Speaker 9: and the one light at the end of the tunnel
Speaker 9: is we have a chance to get this Cooper Flag
Speaker 9: kid who's going to be you know, the next space
Speaker 9: of the or whatever. And Tallas just you know, whether
Speaker 9: or not you think it was rigged by the NBA,
Speaker 9: Dallas has got gifted a perennial franchise guy. At least
Speaker 9: it appears that way right now. So yeah, I think
Speaker 9: that'd be a wise move for them, for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I don't buy into the
Speaker 3: rigged thing. I know everybody goes back to like the
Speaker 3: NIXT getting Patrick Ewing and all that. I do not
Speaker 3: think it was rigged. And I think if Cooper Flag
Speaker 3: went to Washington, they'd screw it up because that team
Speaker 3: should just be put out of business. I met the Wizards,
Speaker 3: give me a break. I mean, they can't get anything right,
Speaker 3: they really can't. They had general there, Gilbert Arenas. You know,
Speaker 3: they had Porzingis, and Porzingis sucked there. The Wizards suck.
Speaker 3: It's a terrible organization. They don't deserve Cooper flag. I'm
Speaker 3: telling you that right now. But Okay, I do think
Speaker 3: it's I think Holidays. I think it is time to
Speaker 3: move holiday because I don't think he can help the
Speaker 3: Celtics next year and I think his better days are
Speaker 3: behind him. And if you can, if it can help
Speaker 3: you down the road, and I don't know if it can,
Speaker 3: I would move through HOLLI.
Speaker 9: I'm moving toward Zingis ahead of Holiday. And I don't
Speaker 9: know if that's recency biased and if that's because he
Speaker 9: absolutely stunk it up in this last round of the playoffs.
Speaker 9: But you know, you're talking about a guy who has
Speaker 9: not been healthy throughout this playoffs run and throughout last
Speaker 9: year's playoffs run. Right. Uh, he was, he was, he
Speaker 9: was kind of you know, he came back for the
Speaker 9: finals after getting injured in the first round had some
Speaker 9: great moments for sure, but then got injured again, and uh,
Speaker 9: it's it's an issue. Right, So if you're picking between
Speaker 9: those two guys, I'm gonna go with the guy who's
Speaker 9: a proven winner, who who is still, even at his age,
Speaker 9: one of the best on ball defenders in the NBA.
Speaker 9: I will I will die by that. Yeah, yes, totally.
Speaker 9: But I mean, if you, if you, if you go
Speaker 9: back to that series, to either one of the series,
Speaker 9: right Watford was doing against Paolo Bancaro, who is way
Speaker 9: taller than him, and and Watchford doing on Brunson, they
Speaker 9: would just target switches throughout that series. But he did
Speaker 9: a pretty solid job on Brunson, right, barring a couple
Speaker 9: of those games. But yeah, I would still put him
Speaker 9: up there in that elite on ball defender category. And
Speaker 9: he's a leader. Right. If holiday goes, who's the leader
Speaker 9: on this team? Is it Brown? It's gotta be right?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's Brad. Yeah, I mean I and
Speaker 3: I you know, Tatum will be a year older. I
Speaker 3: think that they would be fine in that category. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's get to the Nicks and the pictures, because I
Speaker 3: know it's blasphemy here in Boston I don't like the
Speaker 3: Nick organization. Okay, I don't like the Nick organization. I
Speaker 3: think Madison Square Garden is a little overrated. I'm not
Speaker 3: a fan of Chalomet and everybody. You know, Stiller on
Speaker 3: the sideline, they become Los Angeles East. At least Spike
Speaker 3: has been there for every game.
Speaker 9: That is true, that is true. Give us props.
Speaker 3: But I like the players. I like the players. Tims.
Speaker 3: I know Tims a little bit. I like him too.
Speaker 3: He coached here. I mean Tims can get stubborn, He's
Speaker 3: could definitely get his fault sometimes. But I like the players.
Speaker 3: How can you, you know, to be a basketball fan
Speaker 3: and not like the Nick players.
Speaker 9: Has got a ring in Boston, right? Yeah? Season? Yeah,
Speaker 9: he was on the he was on the assistant on
Speaker 9: the assistants bench.
Speaker 3: I know you like twelve at the time.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well basically I agree with you, Yeah, I I
Speaker 9: do agree with you. I think Karlton Towns gets a
Speaker 9: little too flashy for me sometimes, and maybe that's just
Speaker 9: because he got so flashy against my team. But you
Speaker 9: have to respect Bronson, right. I always love the undersized
Speaker 9: guy who's just gonna punish you and it can just
Speaker 9: do anything. On the court, right, kind of like Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 9: Isaiah Thomas is one of my favorite Celtics ever, just
Speaker 9: because it's like, it's so inspiring to watch a guy
Speaker 9: who's small and has you know, all odds against him
Speaker 9: and just becomes a juggernaut on the court. Right. The
Speaker 9: flopping thing bothers me a little bit and I and
Speaker 9: I do buy into that narrative that I think the
Speaker 9: foul baiting that Jalen Brunson does, while it is a
Speaker 9: smart basketball play, uh, it's it's not a good product
Speaker 9: to watch, and I don't like it. I just I
Speaker 9: don't like it. And there's no one on the Celtics
Speaker 9: who plays like that. And Brunton, to me, is one
Speaker 9: of the worst defenders in the league.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 9: It's it's it's like what Harden did a lot during
Speaker 9: during his prime. Right, He'd average like thirty points over
Speaker 9: like a four game stretch, but he would shoot so
Speaker 9: many free throws and go to the line so many times.
Speaker 9: It's a strategy, right, it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 9: way to score and it's a winning strategy. I just
Speaker 9: don't like watching it, But yeah, I do like the
Speaker 9: next players and I like the Villanova aspect. I think
Speaker 9: that's cool, right, You have all these guys that play
Speaker 9: together through college, win a national championship and then get
Speaker 9: the opportunity to play on the same court in the
Speaker 9: NBA in in New York. And I will say I
Speaker 9: think the NBA is a better place when the Knicks.
Speaker 3: Are good, no doubt, there's no question.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the viewership goes up and then and the engagement
Speaker 9: goes up. So you know when the when the Lakers
Speaker 9: and the Knicks are good, the NBA is a better
Speaker 9: place for sure.
Speaker 3: I just think it's funny that their head coaches Tims
Speaker 3: who is a great guy. But I mean he what
Speaker 3: he called Salem State plumbing, the state whatever it is.
Speaker 3: He is just not He's he is not New York.
Speaker 3: I mean he just like sweat, sweatpants, T shirt and
Speaker 3: watching watching film like twelve hours a day.
Speaker 9: No I know. Yeah, he's a Boston guy, no question.
Speaker 3: And he brunts and bruns. His dad play is a
Speaker 3: Boston guy. Now we get to the Pacers. What do
Speaker 3: you think about Rick Carlisle who? Look I remember Rick
Speaker 3: who went to the university mate for a couple of
Speaker 3: years my college before he went off to Virginia and
Speaker 3: I covered him when he was with the Celtics a
Speaker 3: little bit back in my early days and.
Speaker 9: He coached Providence, did he I think? I think he
Speaker 9: coached Providence as well. I thought, No, I.
Speaker 3: Don't remember that.
Speaker 9: I remember him.
Speaker 3: His first head coaching job was the Pistons.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, he did.
Speaker 3: A great job with the Pistons. I mean they did
Speaker 3: and then but he's readjusted. I mean, well with Larry.
Speaker 3: I mean I think he was Larry's assistant, that's right.
Speaker 3: With the Pacers Harder, you know, he did the defense
Speaker 3: and Harder did the offense and the other way around.
Speaker 3: I always get confused. But nonetheless, he's reinvented himself now
Speaker 3: where people are surprised that that he's adjusted his style
Speaker 3: of coaching with the Pacer team again, which is a
Speaker 3: fun team to watch totally.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, we just talked before the break
Speaker 9: about washed up coaches and coaches that get sort of
Speaker 9: used up by a team, and that was exactly what
Speaker 9: everyone builds. Rick Carlile as right, he's an older coach.
Speaker 9: When he got fired from Dallas, that was a team
Speaker 9: that had Luka Doncics and Poisingis at the time Poorzingis
Speaker 9: was valued a lot higher than he is now, right, Uh,
Speaker 9: And that was a team that was projected to do
Speaker 9: a lot better than they did, and he was sort
Speaker 9: of the scapegoat in the castaway because they said, your
Speaker 9: style of basketball is too old, it's dated, and he
Speaker 9: wants to Indiana, and you're right, he totally reinvented himself
Speaker 9: and Indiana, I mean, what a story they are, What
Speaker 9: a what a franchise they're building over there, you know
Speaker 9: they were they were talking about on the on the
Speaker 9: on Bill Simmons's pod the other day, like Indiana is
Speaker 9: the team that you want to be in the in
Speaker 9: the East right now for the next like five six years, right,
Speaker 9: because they have roster flexibility comparatively, and they have Tyree Teliburton,
Speaker 9: who I don't know how you can't argue he's a
Speaker 9: top ten player right now, right he has to be
Speaker 9: in that conversation. After the Athletic released the poll that
Speaker 9: said he's the most overrated player amongst his NBA colleagues,
Speaker 9: they actually voted him the most overrated player. One game
Speaker 9: away from from from the NBA Finals, where I think
Speaker 9: they will lose resoundingly by the way, but it's it's
Speaker 9: still remarkably impressive what Carlisle's done and what that team
Speaker 9: has done.
Speaker 3: Now about Okay, she with two Massachusetts guys leading the way,
Speaker 3: Presley and the head coach. The head coaches from Fitchburg, right.
Speaker 9: Dud Presty's an Emerson grad.
Speaker 3: Where Jackson has a well valued degree and I was
Speaker 3: a member of faculty for a couple of years. I
Speaker 3: guess that makes us kind of are we boys with Presty?
Speaker 3: He what kind of like in the club?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Right, if they get a ring, they should send
Speaker 9: those one. I think we'll get a ring. Yeah, they should.
Speaker 9: They should. They should totally send us one. Yeah, it's
Speaker 9: not so interesting though. I never thought that an NBA
Speaker 9: GM would come from Emerson College, and the Washington GM
Speaker 9: now is also Emerson grat They just keep pumping.
Speaker 3: They just keep pumping out those actors, those Academy Award
Speaker 3: winners and NBA Managers of the Year. We are going
Speaker 3: to switch gears with Jackson's help. We got to talk
Speaker 3: about my guy Rabel and the Patriots who Jackson covered
Speaker 3: last year. That's all coming up here on WBZ.
Speaker 7: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
Speaker 7: News radio before.
Speaker 10: We were gathered here fifteen months ago at the Sports
Speaker 10: Illustrated Pavilion to welcome Mike as a new inductee into
Speaker 10: the Patriots Hall of Fame. And I'm really proud that
Speaker 10: fifteen months later, we're back here today to invite him
Speaker 10: and his lovely wife Jen to announce as the new
Speaker 10: head coach of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 11: You know, I'm humbled, I'm grateful. It's a lot of
Speaker 11: people that have helped me get to this point, and
Speaker 11: I want to thank them.
Speaker 3: I want to use this.
Speaker 11: Opportunity to thank them in front of you. You'll get
Speaker 11: to know some of them, most of them. I'm excited
Speaker 11: to get to work, but everything and everyone in this
Speaker 11: building is going to understand and believe that their job
Speaker 11: is critically important for our success. And it's going to
Speaker 11: be you know, how can.
Speaker 3: I help you?
Speaker 9: In order to help the players?
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel. I covered him as a player, I interviewed
Speaker 3: him and went down to Tennessee when he was coaching
Speaker 3: the Titans. I'm a fan of rabel Even though we
Speaker 3: did a skit on Comcast Sports at Jackson Tellivers with
Speaker 3: me at Jackson, I don't know if you ever saw this,
Speaker 3: but when they put a helmet on me and I
Speaker 3: went against Rabel in a three point stance and he
Speaker 3: knocked my ass twenty yards back. It's on video. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we got I gotta find it. They got it back.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It was hilarious. And my ribs killed
Speaker 3: for a week. They said, you want me blocked, he says,
Speaker 3: I'm in. Oh my god, if it was Vulgary would
Speaker 3: have killed him. But you know, yeah, sure, so Raves
Speaker 3: is the headman down there. I love girod Mao. I
Speaker 3: considered Gio a friend. I loved working with him. I
Speaker 3: don't think he had a chance in hell that it
Speaker 3: just wasn't the right situation for him. I hope he
Speaker 3: finds happiness. I hope he coaches again. I believe in
Speaker 3: the guy. I don't know if he was ready for
Speaker 3: the gig, but this is the right guy for the job.
Speaker 3: That I mean, I assume you agree with that. I
Speaker 3: don't know anyone who doesn't think that.
Speaker 9: Totally agreed. Yeah, I don't think you can find anyone
Speaker 9: who thinks that this wasn't the right higher. I do
Speaker 9: feel bad for Mayo. I think he was thrown into
Speaker 9: the fire. He's given one of the worst rosters in
Speaker 9: the NFL, probably maybe the worst roster in the NSA
Speaker 9: looking back at last year's team, right, they had no
Speaker 9: star power. They had Drake May, but he wasn't ready
Speaker 9: to start until week five or six. Yeah, so I
Speaker 9: feel bad for him, but obviously didn't didn't work out there.
Speaker 9: But yeah, Mike rabel Man, I mean, what what more
Speaker 9: can you ask for in a coach? Right, proven leader,
Speaker 9: proven winner. He took that Titans team, which had no
Speaker 9: business being in an AFC championship game to an NFC
Speaker 9: championship game, right, And that that year that he did that,
Speaker 9: they beat the Ravens, who were That was like Lamar's
Speaker 9: a breakout emergence year where he won MVP in the
Speaker 9: Ravens where like Edwards, you know, everyone's on the bandwagon
Speaker 9: for them to win the Super Bowl. He beat that
Speaker 9: team and then narrowly lost to the Chiefs, who ended
Speaker 9: up obviously winning that year Super Bowl. So proven winner.
Speaker 9: You know, the players have a lot of respect for him, right,
Speaker 9: I think a lot of their They had a great
Speaker 9: free agency this year, and I think a lot of
Speaker 9: that has to do with him. Players want to play
Speaker 9: for him. He's a players coach, but not as much
Speaker 9: as a players coach as girod Mayo was, where everyone
Speaker 9: is just you know, lounging around and playing video games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gerard didn't have the keys, you know. They they
Speaker 3: were doing everything by committee. Vrabel comes in and this
Speaker 3: is this is how it's going to work because people
Speaker 3: will say, well, what's the front eye. Rabel's running everything. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's got a couple of guys in the front office
Speaker 3: that are going to do you know, he's not going
Speaker 3: to get caught up in all the scouting and all that.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to the draft, they're going to
Speaker 3: put the information in front of him and he's going
Speaker 3: to tell him who to draft. Now, the one thing
Speaker 3: I do know is that Bill would be involved in
Speaker 3: draft meetings in November, which was crazy. He's not going
Speaker 3: to do that. He's going to do He's not going
Speaker 3: to do that right So, and it didn't really help
Speaker 3: Bill's drafts. I mean, let's face.
Speaker 9: It, no, no, Bill had terrible draft.
Speaker 3: Especially recently. So he's got it down and he and
Speaker 3: and there there's an attitude of doing things the right way,
Speaker 3: and Vrabel just exudes at and players will get the
Speaker 3: best out of him. The one thing he he knows
Speaker 3: how to punt, He knows how to push the right buttons.
Speaker 3: I mean that's really yeah, that's what you know. He
Speaker 3: knows how to push the right buttons to get the
Speaker 3: most out of the players. And you mentioned that thing
Speaker 3: when he coached the Titans. Now I went with you.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the time that he out coached Bill?
Speaker 3: What the heck was that? And then Bill.
Speaker 9: Was against Yeah, so it was the first it was
Speaker 9: that was Brady's last ever give him a Patriots right,
Speaker 9: and they end up losing to the Tennessee Titans, right,
Speaker 9: And it was so what happened was it was a
Speaker 9: situation where you would let they were punting right and
Speaker 9: you would let the clock run out. And Bill had
Speaker 9: done it earlier that year to the Jets, which is
Speaker 9: why it was so funny because Bill had done it
Speaker 9: to the Jets and he smiled on camera. So what
Speaker 9: they did was they would let the play clock go
Speaker 9: down all the way and then they wanted the other
Speaker 9: coach to accept the penalty right and push them back
Speaker 9: five yards because it's easier for them to get a
Speaker 9: touch back. But the coach is going to decline it
Speaker 9: so then they can just do it again. Right. So
Speaker 9: that was the ultimate, like you know, the the apprentice
Speaker 9: becomes the master, right, and and he he Bill belichicked
Speaker 9: Bill Belichick, right, And that was obviously Brady's last game,
Speaker 9: devastating loss that year. Man, they started off so good.
Speaker 9: Remember that was year they started off nine to zero,
Speaker 9: I know, and they got Antonio Brown, but.
Speaker 3: I remember, but I remember Brady coming out, and I've
Speaker 3: been around long enough to know, like Brady was not
Speaker 3: bs ing. He says, we're not as good as people
Speaker 3: think we are.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see in his eyes he goes, we're fools. Goal.
Speaker 3: But when Rabel did that, I remember Bill just m
Speaker 3: f and him on the other side of the field,
Speaker 3: I mean, just like Frabele And it was just so
Speaker 3: funny because I do remember Rabel used to bark back,
Speaker 3: like Rabel was the one guy that could bark back
Speaker 3: at Bill because Bill respected him so much, you know.
Speaker 3: And then the way Rabel, Rabel and Brady when they scrimmage,
Speaker 3: and Rodney Harrison too, they would scream at each other.
Speaker 3: Oh they were they were, They went hard. So Verbel
Speaker 3: brings that that attitude and he would kill us in
Speaker 3: the media. I mean, oh, he would just destroy us.
Speaker 3: He would like, yeah, we'd go in the locker room,
Speaker 3: he'd dump all over us. But he's gonna be He's
Speaker 3: gonna be great. Yeah, So what do you say, I
Speaker 3: say they make the playoffs.
Speaker 9: I'm very excited about this team. Yeah. I think they
Speaker 9: had one of the best offseasons that I've seen from
Speaker 9: any team in a long time, on on paper, at least, right,
Speaker 9: because I thought the draft they killed the draft. I
Speaker 9: know every single player that they got I think has
Speaker 9: a chance to be an impact player. I every single
Speaker 9: pick they made I thought was really really strong and
Speaker 9: makes a lot of sense for what they need. So
Speaker 9: now you look at a team where Drake May, I
Speaker 9: mean obviously all the rest on Drake May, right, is
Speaker 9: Drake May gonna make a year two leap or is
Speaker 9: he gonna have a sophomore slump? If he makes that
Speaker 9: year two leap, he now has the PI around him
Speaker 9: to succeed, right, especially on defense. I mean, their defense
Speaker 9: got so much better. Milton Williams, who now becomes the
Speaker 9: highest paid Patriot of all time in terms of Anuel's salary,
Speaker 9: Super Bowl winner, Right, he's fresh off that Super Bowl win.
Speaker 9: Total dog on the defensive line, which is exactly what
Speaker 9: they needed. Both lines, the defensive line and the offensive
Speaker 9: lines last year were terrible, like unwatchably bad. So now
Speaker 9: you bring in all these guys, right, you bring in
Speaker 9: Milton Williams on defense, and you draft Will Campbell with
Speaker 9: your fourth overall pick. Absolute stud in my opinion. And
Speaker 9: left tackle is such an important position right because it's
Speaker 9: the quarterbacks blind side, so Drake May in theory, will
Speaker 9: not be taking as many sacks. And they also draped
Speaker 9: Morgan Moses to be on the right side. They drafted
Speaker 9: a new center, Wilson. So the offensive line got beefed
Speaker 9: up big time and the defensive line got beefed up
Speaker 9: big time. So you're gonna win those battles in the trenches,
Speaker 9: which is what Mike Rabel's system is all about. So yeah,
Speaker 9: I feel very confident about this Patriots team. They're my
Speaker 9: second most confident Boston team right now, I think, because
Speaker 9: the Red Sox are terrible right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Bruins are screwed. No, I agree with that. Hey,
Speaker 3: did you see the video as Stefan Diggs in the
Speaker 3: pink substance?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, everyone's been on that today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for those of you that don't know, but
Speaker 3: it's on, actually you can check it out. Stefan Diggs
Speaker 3: is on a boat in Miami where Cardi Beats's girlfriend
Speaker 3: and he's got women all around him, of course, and
Speaker 3: he pulls out this little baggy with like a pink
Speaker 3: substance in it and something else, and now everybody's making
Speaker 3: a lot of this. So what do you think it is?
Speaker 3: Do you think it's lucky charms? Do you?
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3: It's not a good look.
Speaker 9: No, it's it's it's not a good look. I don't
Speaker 9: know what that specific pink substance is. Maybe a lot
Speaker 9: to ask to my college friends, but yeah, it's it's
Speaker 9: not a good look. And you know, this was the
Speaker 9: concern that people had about Stefan Diggs, his off the
Speaker 9: field stuff. He has a tendency to be a diva
Speaker 9: and get himself in bad situations. Right, this specific situation,
Speaker 9: I think he's just gonna boil over, or not not
Speaker 9: boil over, sorry, the opposite of boilover. I think he's
Speaker 9: just gonna like roll over and just be done. I
Speaker 9: don't I don't think anything's gonna really come of it,
Speaker 9: because it's not like he was, you know, doing drugs
Speaker 9: on video. He happened to have one, and no one
Speaker 9: really knows what it is. So I think it's hard
Speaker 9: for the league take any action there. Rabel said today
Speaker 9: during media availability that you know, he had a conversation
Speaker 9: with him. It sounds like he's pretty serious about it.
Speaker 9: He said, you know, I talked to him, and we're
Speaker 9: going to keep that between myself, him and the club,
Speaker 9: right And you know, he talked about we want to
Speaker 9: make good decisions on off the field, whatever. Whatever. I
Speaker 9: don't think this is a big deal, but his personality
Speaker 9: off the field is definitely something to monitor. And if
Speaker 9: this becomes a trend, then it becomes a bigger issue. Right,
Speaker 9: this this specific thing, I think we're we're all gonna
Speaker 9: forget about it in a week. But who knows well.
Speaker 3: The problem And Rabel does understand this. You know, back
Speaker 3: when Mike came from Pittsburgh with the Patriots, it was
Speaker 3: much easier to have a my way or the highway
Speaker 3: type of attitude, right, especially with the Patriots, because the
Speaker 3: key to the Patriots' success, at least mentally was Brady.
Speaker 3: Because Brady would buy into whatever the coach said to do.
Speaker 3: So when your best and I've had pro coaches tell
Speaker 3: me this, whenever your best player buys into what the
Speaker 3: coach tells you to do, everybody else is going to
Speaker 3: follow and then you have success. So Brady took less money,
Speaker 3: Rodney Harrison took less money, Bruski took less money, and
Speaker 3: so forth. So Brady would set the tone for the
Speaker 3: rest of the team. That's not happening now and it's
Speaker 3: a different time. And Vrabel knows that. So I'm sure
Speaker 3: he's piessed because he's because he's sitting there saying, I
Speaker 3: don't need this headache. What are you doing? And he's
Speaker 3: a freaking receiver. Receivers are divas. They go their own
Speaker 3: way there. You got to be crazy to be a receiver.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's Strawberry Quick, I don't know
Speaker 3: what is. But the thing of it is is Rabel
Speaker 3: just has to say, I'm going to handle it internally.
Speaker 3: And you know what he's gonna tell Stefan Diggs be
Speaker 3: aware when somebody's videotaping.
Speaker 9: Yet, that's what he's gonna tell you, I mean, exactly,
Speaker 9: that's gonna be.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna sit there and he's not gonna go,
Speaker 3: we can't have this. You know, you can't do it
Speaker 3: this way. That stuff doesn't fly anymore. He's gonna go, look,
Speaker 3: you're on camera everywhere. Don't be stupid. That's it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what he's gonna tell him, because I know Patriots
Speaker 3: to think it. Oh verbel will put him over his knee.
Speaker 3: No he won't, No he won't.
Speaker 7: You can't.
Speaker 9: He can't. He can't, Yeah, he can't. It's it's yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean. The thing with Stefon Diggs that you got
Speaker 9: to remember is he didn't come to the Patriots. And
Speaker 9: although we feel confident about New England, right, he didn't
Speaker 9: come to the Patriots because they're a super team expected
Speaker 9: when a Super Bowl. He's not ring chasing. He didn't
Speaker 9: come to the Patriots because it's a you know, wonderful
Speaker 9: city all year round with warm weather. He came to
Speaker 9: the Patriots because they offer him most money, right, right,
Speaker 9: So he is he doesn't have that automatic buy in
Speaker 9: that other players might have, right he he has nothing
Speaker 9: to fight for, right. Other guys are fighting for their
Speaker 9: roster spots. You know, guys like there are eight wide
Speaker 9: receivers now in that room. I believe on the on
Speaker 9: the roster, two or three of those guys are getting
Speaker 9: a cut. He's obviously not one of those guys, right,
Speaker 9: so he's a veteran. I don't Yeah, I think you're
Speaker 9: totally right. I don't think he has that buy in
Speaker 9: because it doesn't need to at this point, right. But
Speaker 9: I'm excited to see what he can do as a player,
Speaker 9: and I really hope that he I mean, he's been
Speaker 9: looking good, so we'll see.
Speaker 3: Here's the deal. Receivers are happy when they get the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just get him the freaking ball. And that was Bill's problem. Look,
Speaker 3: it worked with Randy Moss for a while. I mean
Speaker 3: that oh seventh season was phenomenal with I mean they
Speaker 3: had three wid receivers. It was great, you know, with
Speaker 3: it was phenomenal.
Speaker 9: But what's that I said? Until it wasn't phenomenal.
Speaker 3: It wasn't. Yeah, but we all but everything, but even
Speaker 3: Brady said that they knew Moss was only going to
Speaker 3: last for a while, right, right, But when he but
Speaker 3: was buying in, it was tremendous. So since then, you know,
Speaker 3: Bill keeps dumping on these receivers and he can never
Speaker 3: pick the right one, And I mean Adamman was like,
Speaker 3: I mean, he got Adaman at a bargain, so we
Speaker 3: loved him. And you know, so now you got to
Speaker 3: if you get the guy the ball, he'll play. It's
Speaker 3: that simple. Yeah, give him the freaking ball.
Speaker 9: And he will get the ball. And Drake May, I think,
Speaker 9: is equipped to get him the ball where he wants it. Again.
Speaker 9: You know, coming off in a cl that's a that's
Speaker 9: a tough injury, right, that's a that's a really tough
Speaker 9: injury to come off of. But from what I've seen
Speaker 9: from his workout videos and you know, what we've seen
Speaker 9: throughout this off season and the off season is really
Speaker 9: just just getting started, right we you know, training camp
Speaker 9: hasn't even officially begun yet, there's just optional team activities.
Speaker 9: He looked really good, So I'm I'm excited to see
Speaker 9: what he sells us in the tank and you know,
Speaker 9: just one of the many interesting pieces that I'm interested
Speaker 9: to see uh for the Patriots this year. He's He's
Speaker 9: number one on my list right because we know what's
Speaker 9: the fon Diggs can be when healthy, and that's you know,
Speaker 9: a top five, top through receiver in the league. So
Speaker 9: I'm very much looking forward to seeing what he can
Speaker 9: do in New England.
Speaker 3: Jackson Tolliver always a pleasure follow him on Instagram because
Speaker 3: he puts these things on his Instagram story, like the
Speaker 3: soccer videos and stuff. I know nothing about it, but
Speaker 3: if you're really in it's like you go, he's got
Speaker 3: you know, the World, the Cup, the European Cup and
Speaker 3: the this and then Scotland and the whatever. But if
Speaker 3: you're into soccer following man.
Speaker 9: Because he's Manchester United man all day, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: He's all over it. Jackson, be good. Thanks for coming
Speaker 3: on you as well, my friend.
Speaker 9: Always a pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: I'll talk too soon. One of the young up and
Speaker 3: coming stars in the sports media, Jackson Tolliver. Yes, he
Speaker 3: was my student Emerson and I knew right away that
Speaker 3: this kid's got it. He knows what's up, he knows
Speaker 3: what's up. I'm expecting big things from him. We will
Speaker 3: wrap up the show right after this on WBC.
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