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Speaker 1: Hi, James Miller from Cleveland, Ohio, and I played picking

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that golf course.

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Speaker 2: This is golf Smart number one thousand and six.

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Speaker 3: Let's make it kind of resemble a wedge, because if

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we're gonna putt with a wedge, we wanted to feel

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like it, which is why you have the perpendicular lines

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to the target line. Those are paying homage to the

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grooves of a wedge. And then the shape of it

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all was trying to get a visual of a wedge.

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We actually created the name because one we're going to

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spoil your opponent's game, but two we needed something that

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ended an ler, so we were working with industrial design firm.

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We all liked spoiler and that's why we went with Spoiler. Well,

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once we figured out the face was actually getting the

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role that we wanted, then it was just all about design.

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How do we make it look like a mallet but

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resemble a wedge, Because if we're going to say that

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we created this from putting with a wedge, like we

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want it to look a little bit like a wedge.

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Speaker 2: Get a lead edge, roll with the spoiler putter. It's

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like putting with a wedge. With inventor Dan Lanblan, this

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is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great

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golf minds to help you lower your score and raise

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your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to

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the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Dan, Hey, Fred, thanks glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Glad to have you on to talk about your new invention.

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Is it an invention a product? It's a product. I

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guess it's an invention because it's something that's out there

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a lot, but no one's done it like this before.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right.

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Speaker 3: We think it's We think it's pretty new. I mean,

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you know, yes, we're a copycat. I don't think we

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are at all from where and how we design this thing.

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And so I think it's truly an innovation and hopefully

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the way that putters and everybody's going to start moving

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all right.

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Speaker 2: Now, you gave away the secret. So we are talking

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about putters today and Dan and his dad have invented

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are created a new design for a putter. It's called

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Spoiler Golf and the key on this is the ler

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and spoiler stands for lead edge role.

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Speaker 3: Glad you picked up on that. A lot of people

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do not pick up on that at all.

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Speaker 2: It took me a long time to figure it out. No,

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it did not at all. No, No, because I got

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the postcard from you, and it's like l E R

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l E R. And then I started seeing a lead. Okay,

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great lead edge roll, but still to some people that's

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kind of confusing. So explain how you got to the

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point where you just you and your dad thought this

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could be a good idea to create a different type

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of putter unlike anything else based on the way your

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dad puts.

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Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, yeah, no, and I'd say it's probably maybe

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only just right now do we actually think it's a

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good idea because we've had a year of selling the product,

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and we've had good market adoption and we out of

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everything last year. Oh wow, congratulates you very much, and

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so so that was cool. So then it was like, okay,

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now we can take a breath, because before it was

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all pretty much an idea.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It was during COVID. I was living up in Philly

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at the time with my wife. COVID hit right, and

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then someone in our apartment building got COVID right, And

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this was very early on, so it was like to me,

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it was that's my death worn I'm done. Like we

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needed to get out of here because we're close to somebody.

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So we went down to South Carolina, where my dad

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was at the time, just to get away for a

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couple of weeks. Well that ended up being a year, right,

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as we all know what happened with COVID and whatnot

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and a lot of changes in life and things during

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that time. Well, we went down to South Carolina. Yeah,

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my dad was living there with my mom at the time,

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and you know, he was playing golf because that's pretty

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much all you could do right at the time. And

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you know, some courses were closed, but his was luckily

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open so he could play.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it was a great COVID was a great

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time for podcasting, but yeah, a great.

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Speaker 3: Time, wonderful time for golf, and I guess a wonderful

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time for golf ideas too. So during that time, while

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we were down there, my dad was putting with his

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wedge and you know, he had told me, and you know,

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he he doesn't golf as much as he used to,

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but you know, at the time he was probably about

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a ten handicaps. He's a pretty good golfer, and he

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was telling me that, you know, hey, you need to

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start putting with your wedge because I swear it puts

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a better roll on the ball. I'm like, well that's dumb,

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because it's harder to hit the ball, and I have

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a putter, Like the putter is going to be better

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than it wedges, I'm going to try and belly a

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wedge right. So sometimes people will use a wedge and

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try and belly the golf ball right, just from a

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practice standpoint, just to work on contact location, try and

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work on their angle of attack, try and work on

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getting their risk quiet, try and work on just getting

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a nice rhythm with right with their stroke. Because if

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you don't do those things, not hit the ball in

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the equator. If you don't hit the ball in the equator,

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it will not roll properly. However, when you do put

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with a wedge and belly a wedge with the leading

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edge of a wedge hence lead edge roll, when you

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belly it with the lead edge of a roll, it

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does actually put a better roll on the golf ball.

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or you haven't. You had your putter in your hand,

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or you left your putter at the cart, or you

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broke it or whatever, and so you had to putt

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with a wedge, like more often than not, when you

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just grab the wedge and hit it, it goes in right.

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in or anything like that, but there is some science

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behind it as to why it creates more forward roll

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earlier in the putt, So it helps the ball actually

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stay online better and start online better. Because it's rolling

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forward earlier, any deviation in the green isn't going to

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maneuver that ball offline. And then because you have less scared,

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less hopping less backspin, you have a better chance to

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gauge your distance control because we're removing a lot of

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that known that happens earlier in the putt.

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Speaker 2: Let me stop you for a second and break down

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this concept of a proper role versus traditional putters. Explain why,

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what the difference is, how it starts from a traditional putter,

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and where it goes to on the spoiler golf PLA.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, and I think this is something that like

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a lot of amateurs, I'll say most amaters probably don't

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even know this. I didn't know a lot about this

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until I dove in to working on putters. I think

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there's probably a lot of pro golfers that don't know

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this much detail. But like when you hit a putt,

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the ball does not stop rolling immediately. It does not

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just roll right. There's different forces in physics, right, putting

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different forces on the ball. The ball's going to scad

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for probably the first twenty percent. It could even have

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backspin or hop a lot, you know, depending on your

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loft or angle of attack right, and so's it's not

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a smooth role. It's not until there's an a friction

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between the putting surface and that golf ball to slow

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down any hopping backspinner skid to then the ball starts

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actually rolling forward in rolls like we would think of roll. Right,

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it's just rolling purely forward. But it's generally twenty percent

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of your putt is in that skid hot backspin phase

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before the ball enters into true forward roll.

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Speaker 2: And that is on all traditional flat edged putters.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is on every pocket.

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Speaker 2: So the ball doesn't just start rolling when you hit it. It

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skids skits absolutely right, and a lot of that.

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common sense, the harder you hit it right, it's going

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to skid more. The harder you hit it because it's

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a smaller ball, it's got a lot of force being

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applied to it. It can't just roll immediately, right, It's

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got to skid a little before it can start rolling

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because you're just applying so much force in to that ball.

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to use this other arm, but bear with me because

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I've got the rotator cuff injury. Right when you hit it,

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it's not going to go perfectly forward with a flat face.

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a little bit of loft on it, right, So if

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you hit a ball, really what it's going to do

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is shoot it up in the air and get it

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back spinning a little bit before then it starts rolling forward.

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Speaker 2: And what is the impact of that roll when it

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skips or backspin or slides. What how does that impact

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the way your putt is going to be rolled?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, what you're saying there, well, it impacts it

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in that that skid will vary. So it's you know,

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on average twenty percent, but based on the different turf conditions,

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whether you have ball marks or weeds or anything on

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the grass, that will always be different. It might only

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skid for eighteen percent, but you might be on a slower,

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shaggyar green and it might skid for twenty four percent, right,

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really judge and gauge how hard to hit that ball. Moreover,

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if it's skidding and it hits a deviation in the green,

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it has more chance and the higher probability to skip

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it off of line because it's just skidding and it

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can kind of go wherever where if it has true

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it just rolls right through it and it'll stay online better.

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So there are true advantages to getting the ball rolling

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with more for ad roll and earlier in the putt

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as early as you can, which is why when we

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started putting with a wedge, we realized the ball was

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rolling earlier. You can literally just feel and see the

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ball has a different role to it, And anytime we

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put a putter in people's hand, they're like, yeah, I

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don't know what it is, but it's definitely a different role.

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the putt. And so we've been able to kind of

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cut down that skid percentage and get the ball having

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more forward role earlier in the putt by designing this

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lead edge role face into our putters on spoiler putters.

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Speaker 2: The way you and I connected on this is you

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referred to me by one of our favorite guests on

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the show, Joe Hallett, PGA Master professional based out of Nashville, Tennessee.

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How did you get to Joe and how did you

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get him so excited about this putter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And as you know, because I'm sure he sees a

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lot of different products, oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, everything right, He's had world number ones playing

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under him on the LPGA. Like the man has seen

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everything and knows a lot about the golf swing, the

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golf ball, golf equipment, you name it, he knows it.

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We were fortunate enough to meet him through one of

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our partners. You know, our business is super super small, right,

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We just launched last January. We had a wonderful first year.

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I pretty much run everything day to day, right, Anything

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that you see it has to do a spoiler golf like,

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I'm doing it, even shipping clubs out, inventory management, marketing, website,

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you name it. I'm doing all. But I have three

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other partners. Four other partners actually that help us from

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a strategic standpoint. One of those those gentlemen named Dick Horton.

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The other two are Mark Singer. He helps us from

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a marketing standpoint. And then my father, Jeff Landman, was

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actually the right the one who came up with the

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idea of let's put the leading edge right of a

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wedge on a putter because that's the way I play

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it exactly because I think it's better. And I was like, well,

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I don't know about that, but over time he's proven

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that it is better. And so Dick Horton was with

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Tennessee PGA for a very very long time. He's actually

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a member of the Hall of Fame Tennessee. And he

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introduced us to Joe Hollett, who's at Vanderbilt Legends Club,

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and you know what, we thought we were going to

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PGA Tour I mean the PGA coach and teacher of

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the Year, so I mean he was voted as the

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best teacher in the USA during that year. And so

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when we got to meet with him, obviously we're floored.

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immediately he fell in love with it. He was like,

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the issue is when I have people put with a wedge.

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in their hand and it just feels different because it's

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now a putter in their hand, it's not their wedge,

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so it doesn't have the same feel waiting, right, toe hang, etc.

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this is this is genius, you know, and you know,

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it's obviously great to hear some validation from somebody who

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understands the space and could do something with So from

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a training standpoint, Joe absolutely loves this club because it

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forces you to truly think about ball roll and not

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so much about your stroke, and then you can truly

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feel what it feels like to get pure forward role

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on the ball, to truly just think about focusing on

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your contact and putting a good role on the ball

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and just letting everything else go. And that's what he

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so they'll take in the bag and they'll do all

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their practice sessions and all their training sessions with spoiler.

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least now they understand the proper way in which they

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should put and how that ball should come off of

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, fascinating. So he sees it is like a training aid.

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Speaker 3: He sees it as a training aid. And you know,

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you and I were talking a little bit before we

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jumped on air. There's another company.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm from Nashville, Tennessee originally, and so I knew them well,

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Seymour Putters, right.

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Speaker 2: Sure, we've featured them many times.

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Speaker 3: Seymore Putter started the same way. I mean, they were

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a training aid, or they were a putter with a

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training portion to it. And then realized, Hey, I'm making

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all my putts using this training aid, So why don't

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I go ahead and just put it in the bag. Right,

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our putters are We don't market it as a training aid.

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It is fully USGA conforming and it is a gamer

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and it is a putter that puts a better role

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on the ball to give every golfer a relative advantage

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over their playing partner and to truly help them experience

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pure role on the greens. Like, that's what we're trying

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to do, and we don't we don't care if you're

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using it as a gamer or if you're using as

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a training aid. If it helps you understand and apply

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a proper, more pure for roll on your ball, then

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we've done our job. And that's what we try to

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just preach day in and day out, like even you know,

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as little as like every time we sell a putter,

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we tell every single customer they can send us a

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video of them putting with our putter whenever they want,

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however many times they want, and we will analyze it,

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send them tips, feedback, et cetera. Because we want to

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make sure people are putting better, not just buying a

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better putter. We're truly hoping they buy a better putter

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to become better putters on the green and that's what

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we're here to do. We're not truly just trying to

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sell a product. We're trying to help people, Yeah, get

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better at putting by selling the product.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Okay, so this audience knows very well and

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if you've looked through my feeds on the various podcast episodes.

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You know that I've done a lot with Sam Hunter

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Lab Golf, and I'm a big fan of their science

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behind their putters.

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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Speaker 2: And I actually when I received your spoiler putter, spoiler

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golf putter, I wrote to Sam.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he and I have strange text threads

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go very you know, infrequently, but still, and he said,

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I think it's a wonderful training.

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Speaker 3: Aid good.

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Speaker 2: He said that you guys, you guys reached out to

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him at one point, but he he he what basically

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what he says, I really appreciate that they have the

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balls to think outside the box and try new things. Yeah,

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nothing but respect for those.

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Speaker 3: Guys I appreciate too, because we've we've exchanged some messages

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back and forth, Sam, right, just because you know, I

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knew of the lab before we ever got in the

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right into sure, because we just like so we spent

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a couple of years, you know, R and D and prototyping,

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et cetera. Launched last year, but before that time, you know,

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I heard you know, rumblings of Lab because they were

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finally starting to grow when Sam took over, Right, he

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was doing a very good job marketing getting the word out,

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and it was amazing, right. I was like, this is

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so cool and to me, the cool part and again

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this is before we ever got into creating our own

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part of company was right. It's a small company doing

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something in a space that is dominated by giants, right,

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and so like, I have just admiration and respect for

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what Sam's done, what Lab's done, what those guys have

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done over there, because it's it's amazing, and I mean

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I hear some of the numbers. I don't know if

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they're real or not, but it sounds like they're running

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an incredible, incredible business, which they should be because they're

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pushing the envelope right, and they've got cool technology and

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it works. And you know, we're trying to do something

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different in the space too. Ours is I would say

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a little bit more different just because it looks I mean, hit,

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I guess the DF looks very, very different, you know,

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and so it's a very very two.

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Speaker 2: That's point one. But then the three is getting high adoptions.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely have three, absolutely, and so we're trying to do

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something different in the space too, because we aren't expecting

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to appeal to you know, one hundred percent of right golfers.

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I want twenty percent of golfers to be raving fans

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of their spoiler putter.

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Speaker 2: That's a huge number.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge number, right, but of the right that

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and I'll say twenty percent of the entire right golfing population,

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but of people who hear about us, Like, I just

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want those twenty people to absolutely love us. And if

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eighty percent think that we're the dumbest thing that's ever

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been built or created or designed or the ugliest putter,

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makes no sense, Like, Okay, that's fine, I get it.

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That's why there's so many options out there. I mean,

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if you look at the putter world, like the number

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of putters out there is putter companies is really mind

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blowing if you really dig into it, Like there are

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so many mom and pops that I'll see and see

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shops right there doing but most of them to me

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are more of like an art form, and they're very

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pretty and they're nice, but there's not a lot of

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difference in what they're trying to achieve. And when we

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looked at this space, it was there's a lot about

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MOI and creeping your face square and these are very

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important things. But it's like nobody's talking about the role

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of the ball. All that matters is what the ball

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does after you hit it. Who cares what's happened up

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until that point. If we can get a really, really

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good role, well now, right now we're cooking with gas

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because now we have a lot more possibilities because we've

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figured out how to get that ball rolling earlier in

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the space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the thing that's you need, Like

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we're right now as we record this. This morning was

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the playoff between Rory McElroy and JJ spawn for the championship,

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the players Championship, and they had to have that Monday

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morning playoff because they finished too late yesterday. But what

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you know, I've interviewed so many people that have developed

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and introduced new products, but going back to lab Golf

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for a moment, it's one of the few interviews that

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I've done, one of the few products we've exposed that

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you're getting that kind of exposure, JJ Spahn, right, using

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the DF three, it's like that's going to sell putters. Yeah, right,

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And we've always known on this show. We've always known

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if you get it in the hands of somebody on

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the tour you're going to start selling product, and otherwise

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even great ideas can just languish along.

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Speaker 3: Here because you need that validation from kind of that

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third party that is, you know, has respect from the consumer, right,

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which you know in this space is yes, a pro

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golfer of some sort, right, And so I mean we're trying.

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Speaker 2: And who succeeds, especially if they have success, you know,

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playing against Rori at a three whole yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, playing it to a three whole playoff, like you've

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you've yet with this product. And I felt that farm today.

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It's because he had sucked. He putted great the first

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three days he did.

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Speaker 2: And what was interesting at the end of day one

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the three guys at the top on Thursday, who are

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all tied at six hunderd. We're all lab golf buttons.

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But that's not what you want to tell you.

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Speaker 3: I'm all right, But like I said, I think they've

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they've done it, and they've also helped pave the way

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for other small companies to like to say, look, hey,

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there are quality products out there that don't come from Callaway, Taylor,

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may Dry, Puma, Cobra like they make great stuff too, right,

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but you know there's new stuff I just think that

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smaller companies can be can take more risk, right because

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bigger companies aren't going right, They've got their cash, how

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they know what's working. There's no sense for them to

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truly you know, test new orders until they know that

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there's a market for it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: We're out there trying to say, hey, is there a market?

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And I think think what happens with us and we

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see is when we tell people, hey, have you ever

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putted with a wedge? And when it's like you get

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the tinkers and the real golfers go, oh, now I

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get it. I put with a wedge all the time.

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Like I'm amazed at how many emails I get for

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orders that are this is genius. I put with a

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wedge all the time. I can't wait to get this.

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When can I get it? And like I didn't think

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I'd get that many, but it's like I swear every

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one in five emails right about it is like, hey,

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I'm I get it. I put with a wedge. I

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want to use this. I was like, oh, I didn't

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know there was that big of a population out there

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putting with a wedge, but hey, great to hear. And

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I think once people start using the putter and they

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feel that role and they actually feel the difference, it

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starts to become a little bit more addictive over time,

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Like I want to I want to chase that role,

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So I'm gonna use that putter. I'm going to continue

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to chase that role and chase that role.

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Speaker 2: Dan, I really appreciate you letting me try out the

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putter before we got to have this conversation because it

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helps me tremendously. I'm holding it up here now and

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for those who, well, nobody's gonna be seeing this, but

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you are. So anyway, this is the lead edge, and

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this is what it looks like. It has a unique style.

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Talk about the design on this and how you came

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up with this design. One of the things that I've

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always loved about Lab Golf is that even before Lab Golf,

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I was using Seymour putters, and before that I was

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using I even forget what I was using, but I've

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always liked center shafted putters. I immediately, you know, I

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didn't grow up playing golf, so I didn't get the

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traditional stuff immediately. So I've always like a center shafted

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putter and the way the ball comes off of it,

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and I feel like it reduces the amount of mishits

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because there's not so much space between where all the

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weight's coming through for the shaft. And so in practicing

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with this and hitting some putts with it, I definitely

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notice the role was really coming right off. As soon

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as the strike happened, it starts rolling and that, you know,

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give me a nice, true role. But it did lose

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a lot of power on mishits, Like if I tried

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to hit it off the toe, you're gonna lose inches,

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you know, or feet depending on.

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Speaker 3: How far it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so where did let's talk about what the design

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So, I mean obviously we talked a little bit

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about you know, it was putting with a wedge, which

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was the inspiration for why we designed right. So that's

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you know, first and foremost we had to have the

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00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,000
leading edge. The first buttter I don't have one with

475
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,400
me right now, was a prototype we actually have. If

476
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,960
you think of like the leading edge of a wedge

477
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,839
and how small it is, and it's like a couple

478
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,759
of millimeters, that's how big the leading edge on our

479
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,000
first butter was. So if you want to talk about

480
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,920
a training aid and actually I'm going to give Joe

481
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,839
Hallett one of our old prototypes because he was like,

482
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,440
from a training standpoint, I would love to see that thing.

483
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,839
It was hard to hit the middle of the ball

484
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,640
every time with it just like it is, which is

485
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,880
why we've made that face a little bit wider. And

486
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:09,720
you know, I will say that we've got a blade

487
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:13,880
coming out in June, which we've actually made the face

488
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,559
even a touch wider on the blade to give it

489
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,319
a little to bit more forgiveness than we have on

490
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,559
the mallet. So I'm going to have the greatest forward

491
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,160
role and the purest roll out there. The blade's going

492
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,079
to still have very very very good for a role,

493
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:29,519
but it's going to have a touch more forgiveness, so

494
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:31,119
it's going to have a touch less of that forward

495
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,960
role on it. But anyway, to go back to the design,

496
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,119
it was the leading edge of a wedge, so that

497
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,359
had to be the first part right the face we

498
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,359
had to design and figure out at what height we

499
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,599
should have that face right, which was a lot of

500
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,119
testing and working with focus groups to literally figure out

501
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,759
how how do people hover their putter on average when

502
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:53,200
they're taking a stroke? Right, So where's the impact or right,

503
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,279
So it was you know, and then figuring out, okay,

504
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:59,200
how much diameter do we need to hit right the

505
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,440
equator of the ball on a consistent basis right, And

506
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,119
so that was a lot of trying to figure out

507
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,599
the front, leading edge and the face of the putter.

508
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,240
Once we figured that out, the rest was all right,

509
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:16,240
how do we now create a putter right, a mallet putter,

510
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,200
you know, And I think we've got about forty eight

511
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,359
hundred MOI, which is you know, it's it's it's good.

512
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,839
But we weren't trying to create the highest MOI putter.

513
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,880
Like we're not out there trying to say that we

514
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,599
have the most forgiving or the highest MOI. We're saying

515
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,880
we've got the best role and that's what we want

516
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,319
MOI being moment of a nerve threat, which is right,

517
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,240
going to help keep the face stable, especially if you're

518
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,319
going to hit it off the toe or off the heel.

519
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,240
So we're probably right in the middle of mois. You know.

520
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:46,640
I think there's putters out there, like cure putters, perhaps

521
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,480
their whole thing is and I think they're almost at

522
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,440
like eighteen or twenty thousand, like it's really high, omi

523
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,640
like it is a very stable face and they put

524
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,160
a good roll on the ball too. The rest of

525
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,519
our putter design was's make it kind of resemble a wedge, right,

526
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,400
because if we're gonna put with a wedge, we wanted

527
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,880
to feel like it, which is why you have the

528
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,839
kind of perpendicular lines right to the target line. Those

529
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,519
are you know, just paying homage to the grooves of

530
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,799
the putter there right, or the grooves of a wedge.

531
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,839
And then the shape of it all was trying to

532
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,200
get you know, all right, it kind of comes back

533
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,200
and trying to just get the visual of a wedge.

534
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:26,079
Speaker 1: You know.

535
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: When we did that, we were doing some and they

536
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,200
were didn't have like the hole in the back where

537
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,799
I quote unquote you know people call the back the spoiler,

538
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:36,960
which I understand that's the name of it. We actually

539
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,839
created the name because spoiler was one, we're going to

540
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,640
spoil your opponent's role or your opon I mean to

541
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,839
spoil your opponent's game. But two we needed something that

542
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,079
ended in L E R. Right, because as you and

543
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:54,519
so we were working with an industrial design firm, we

544
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,920
all liked spoiler and that's why we went with spoiler.

545
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,599
It just so happens that we had, you know, the

546
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,559
entire thing when we made our first one. You know,

547
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:10,000
I think it was like five hundred grams of steel, right,

548
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:11,759
because we didn't have this hole cut out in the

549
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,000
middle or any of it carved out here, so it

550
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:18,000
was jagged. It was hard. This bottom part would get

551
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,000
caught on the grass all the time because it wasn't

552
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,680
We didn't smooth it out, We didn't round anything out.

553
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,359
And then we went in right and started tweaking it

554
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:30,200
to figure out well. Once we figured out the face

555
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,240
was actually getting the role that we wanted, then it

556
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,640
was just all about design, right, how do we make

557
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,359
it look like a mallet but resemble a wedge, because

558
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,359
if we're going to say that we we created this

559
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,759
from putting with a wedge, like, we want it to

560
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:46,599
look a little bit like a wedge. And then it

561
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
was getting the waiting right. You know, we've got about

562
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,359
twenty degrees of tow hang here. Where you say you

563
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:54,240
like center shafted, I assume if here's a center shaft,

564
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,440
generally now you're lyingle balanced, but before it was probably

565
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,799
face balanced. And in our idea and our theory is

566
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:08,079
for a pure and proper role. We want to not force,

567
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,799
but we want to encourage. We want to encourage golfers

568
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720
to truly let the face rotate and let that toe

569
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,920
release a little bit to help put a better role

570
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,799
on that golf ball and right, and that's all just

571
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960
that's a lot of personal preference. You know, all of

572
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,039
us were heel shaft I grew up with a heel

573
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,000
shafted and I used to I grew up and I

574
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,759
grew up right when I started when I was seventeen.

575
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,319
But you know, I liked using I was an art

576
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,440
major in college too, so it was like, I'm creative

577
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,279
in my process and the way I play. I don't

578
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,079
like to be very scientific with things or detail oriented.

579
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,079
So I was using a blade, you know, like Phil

580
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,640
used to use.

581
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:45,839
Speaker 2: Right.

582
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: It was just like no line on it, just the

583
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,400
old school blade, and I could just see a line,

584
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,839
feel it and go. And I always always knew that

585
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:59,000
if I would release the toe like the it just

586
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,119
felt like it started on line and went exactly where

587
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,720
I want. And so that's the theory for why all

588
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,079
of ours right now we don't have a center shafted model.

589
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:09,400
They're all heel shafted. Because we'd like to encourage a

590
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,279
little bit of that toe release that then helps get

591
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,880
that ball rolling even that little bit more. And right,

592
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,599
that's a little bit of torque, But I think that's

593
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,759
good because we want the ball coming off as hot

594
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,519
as possible, right, and it comes off hot on this

595
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:27,119
face and that's I think for me it makes sense, right,

596
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:28,839
and for a lot of people who use this butter

597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,680
it makes But if you like a really soft buttery

598
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,799
feel coming off, you know where you bar, you feel

599
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:35,960
it like we're probably not the putter for you then,

600
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,920
which is okay. But I think it's better to have

601
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,160
a smaller stroke with a hotter ball coming off than

602
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,039
having to take a larger stroke and not even have

603
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:47,039
the ball come the same distance because you just have

604
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,039
more variability in your stroke for issues to pop up. Right.

605
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,359
Speaker 2: So, well, yeah, the thing that that lie angle balance

606
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,319
is they're trying to eliminate the torque, right, get that

607
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,119
out of your system. But you're saying saying, no, no, no,

608
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,559
this is this is built into it. We want to

609
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,279
because the normal stroke for ninety nine percent of golfers

610
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,400
has got that torque in there, and LAB is trying

611
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880
to say you don't really need it. You're saying, no, no, no,

612
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,519
this is this is built into this.

613
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we think it's actually we're trying to use

614
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,200
it to our advantage and to help create that role, right,

615
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,519
But they're using it, you know, trying to take it

616
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:26,599
out to try and keep that face stable. So we're

617
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,240
both going after different goals, not ones right or the other.

618
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:32,839
But it's just we like the way that it feels

619
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,799
and we want people to be able to feel where

620
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,039
the face is throughout the stroke so they know that

621
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,680
if they need to correct it, they can, but they

622
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,000
can also release that toe and know when it's time

623
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,119
to release that toe. And we're not talking about you know,

624
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000
full shutdown of it, but it's just a tiny bit

625
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,480
of release that I think is just a natural tendency

626
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:54,000
for when we're putting the ball. Like even when you're

627
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,240
bowling right, you're not going to roll it straight ahead?

628
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Are you going to roll it? You're gonna put a

629
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,039
little bit of spin and that thing comes out and

630
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,000
it's beautiful and starts rolling and you know, we'll slides

631
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:08,119
for a while first on whatever they put on those alleys. Yeah,

632
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680
so that that's where we're coming from. That said, we

633
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:14,839
are working on designing a center shafted putter. You know,

634
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,640
I don't. It won't be lyingle balanced, it will be

635
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,839
face balanced, assuming we like it.

636
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,039
Speaker 2: Right.

637
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: We always design everything the prototype and make sure it's

638
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,119
got the roll and fits within our the system theory,

639
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,319
and then we'll release it. But we've had a lot

640
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,559
of customers that are just used to us center shafted putter,

641
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,160
and you know a lot of that is what people

642
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,359
did growing up. And if you saw a lookdown, you

643
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,319
saw center shafted all the time. Like to me, it

644
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,680
is very very very hard for me to putt with

645
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,960
a center shafted like I I just struggle with it.

646
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,839
I can't see my lines. I can't, you know. But

647
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,880
you put in anything heel shafted and I'm like, right now,

648
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,920
I feel good. Let's do that. You know, whether it's

649
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,240
a mallet or.

650
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: Or a blade, is there a fitting process that you

651
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,319
need to go through or is this like I would

652
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,880
I usually use a thirty three inch putter, And you say, great,

653
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,480
we'll send you one.

654
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. We we would love to get to a point

655
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,279
to have a fitting process, and you know that is

656
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:19,759
in the plans at some point. Right we launched this

657
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,119
is just our second year in business, so we're trying

658
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:28,680
to kind of start as as smart and focused as

659
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,480
we can. Right last year it was just one club,

660
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,599
one color, two shaft links, that's it. This year we're

661
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,559
going to have you know, we've got our silver mallet,

662
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,279
We're coming out with our black Stealth edition move before

663
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,559
and thirty five inch. Yeah, the black is awesome. Oh

664
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:48,880
I bet it looks like we need to order more

665
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,920
of those already, so because we've been pre ordering them

666
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,240
and I'm amazed how many pre orders we we've already

667
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,359
had as well, so it's been a good start to

668
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,039
this year. So we'll have those in thirty four and

669
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,160
thirty five inch as well and left hand. And then

670
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
we've got the Blade coming out later this year, which

671
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,960
will be thirty four and thirty five inch and left

672
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,199
handed as well. And so we're trying to keep our

673
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000
skews as limited as we can right now, because I've

674
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,320
just seen too many companies get so excited about trying

675
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,400
to appease everyone, which I want to do at some point.

676
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:24,199
But our whole deal still is in the face technology

677
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,639
and the design of the lead edge roll face, and

678
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,159
so to us that's the most important thing, and we

679
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,880
want to deliver that to people straight out of the box,

680
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,280
ready to go. And if it's straight out of the

681
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,519
box ready to go, they can make modifications however they want,

682
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,840
right pull the shaft, put your own shaft in, put

683
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,840
a new grip on it, change the li angle if

684
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,480
you'd want. But right now, everything's just thirty four to

685
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,440
thirty five inches seventy degrees because again all the technology

686
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,280
for us is in the head. We will move along

687
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,360
to where we are going to have more optionality once

688
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,159
we can get our operations right, really really clean when

689
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,719
it makes sense. But there's just we can't bankrupt ourselves

690
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,239
right now. You know, we're still in a big hole

691
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,480
from R and D that we've got to stretch out

692
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,159
of a little bit before we can start adding on

693
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:17,199
more services. And you know, hopefully after this year that

694
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:19,039
that'll be the time if we if we hit the

695
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:20,719
goals that we think we're going to hit this year,

696
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:24,639
then we'll be able to invest in kind of a

697
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:32,920
larger right inventory, larger operation, more customizations and that should

698
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:34,639
hopefully be coming next year.

699
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:38,079
Speaker 2: Then very cool. And what are the costs retail?

700
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: For the costs right now, we've got some pre order

701
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,199
pricing going on, so it's a little bit off, but

702
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,239
generally they started about three eighteen for the silver mallet,

703
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,440
three twenty eight for the stealth mallet, and then I

704
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,679
think the blade's going to come in. We're still doing

705
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,559
final costs, but it'll be right around three hundred for

706
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,440
the blade when it comes in. Those are costs, and

707
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:03,360
you know, we know that, you know, most people want

708
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,400
to putt with a putter before they buy one, and

709
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,800
you know, and most people will go to Golf Galaxy

710
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239
right or Dicks or wherever and roll them right and

711
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,360
they have everything there you can imagine you can roll

712
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,280
before you you ever buy it. So we offer thirty

713
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,920
days right money back guarantee too, so if people don't

714
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,639
love it, you know, they can send it back and

715
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,000
we'll give them their money back, because again we want

716
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,000
we want people to love this. We don't want to

717
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:27,760
just shove it down people's throat and if they don't

718
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,360
like it, not enjoy it, like there's it's a.

719
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,559
Speaker 2: Lot of money. Yeah, let's redo it. And is this

720
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,719
in uh internationally this order with the or nationally with

721
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,280
the with the return policy as well? What's that with

722
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,599
the return policy as well?

723
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: International, it is, the only difference is that the customer

724
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,679
then has to pay for the return the customer's player

725
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,320
return shipping anyway, But it's only fifteen dollars in the US.

726
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,440
If it's international, it can be anywhere more forty to them.

727
00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:59,159
I mean we've sent some that it was one hundred

728
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,440
and twenty dollars shipping, right, and then they have to

729
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,840
be duty and vat on top of that too to

730
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,199
get it.

731
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,599
Speaker 2: So after I received it, did some putting with it

732
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,440
in my practice yard here my practice putting green in

733
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,400
my yard, and got some feel for it, which was

734
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,159
kind of which was really fun. And then I did

735
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,079
an ab back and forth with the DF three and

736
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,119
and you know, it was like, oh, I can definitely

737
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,320
see a difference here. And then hearing you say and

738
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,719
and Sam saying oh it's great for training, it's like, yeah, okay,

739
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,400
this is going to get a lot more time out

740
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000
there for that. But this weekend when I went and

741
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:38,440
played golf, I brought it with me, right, and I

742
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,760
walked out on the practice putting green and I talked

743
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,159
to a couple of golfers and here, I'll let you

744
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,159
hear the conversation. Here's the first one, Can I stop

745
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:48,840
you for a second?

746
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:49,039
Speaker 1: Sure?

747
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: Sim My name's Fred, Hi Fred, Tom, Tom, Good to

748
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,360
meet you. Tom. I host a podcast called The Golf

749
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Smarter Podcast, interviewing a guy who just invented a new

750
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,599
style putter. This is called the spoiler in the L

751
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,639
E R. And spoiler stands for a lead edge roll. Okay,

752
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,360
So it's based on the concept of some people putt

753
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,159
with their wedge because because it gets.

754
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: A good something I've never been able to do.

755
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:15,679
Speaker 2: What kind of putter do you use?

756
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: This is Wilson eight eighty eight two Classic Classic Blade.

757
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: Huh yeah? How long you been using it?

758
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,079
Speaker 1: That is probably my fifth or sixth season of it.

759
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So what I'd like you to do is

760
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,159
just take a couple putts with your potter first from

761
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:36,400
this distance and this is about nine feet, okay, go

762
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,679
ahead and take a couple putts with your putter first,

763
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:46,760
little editing here, good distance, a little bit low. Nice,

764
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,480
great putt. Oh and it just slipped out. All right. Now,

765
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:53,320
Let's give you some strokes with the spoiler and see

766
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,159
how that feels.

767
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: Fascinating.

768
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: WHOA did I ask you what you're indexes?

769
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fifteen teen okay.

770
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: And how's your putting generally.

771
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,599
Speaker 4: Depends on how much I'm playing, Okay, not playing as

772
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:09,199
much as i'd like to. I'm working on something. I'm

773
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,440
pretty happy with my putting. Actually, So that's straight back,

774
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,039
straight through.

775
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: It's up to you.

776
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,679
Speaker 4: It feels like it's going to be heavier at impact,

777
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,360
but then it kind of isn't. That was a wipe,

778
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,000
interesting though. It feels softer than you expected. Yeah, let

779
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,639
me give it. Give it another one absolutely if you want.

780
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,599
Are you a straight back, straight through kind of guy? No,

781
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,840
I tend not to be. I used to put with

782
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,679
them out before I started putting with that.

783
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: Uh huh. How would you describe your putting? That one

784
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:42,599
go in?

785
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: That felt good? It looked great, right, and this had

786
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,840
a nice release on it.

787
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you will try one of the longer putt.

788
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:51,199
Speaker 1: Sure, that sounds like fun.

789
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: Okay, you pick it. Want to just go downhill to

790
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:54,840
this one here?

791
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

792
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:56,639
Speaker 2: Or this one over here?

793
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: That's good? With this one?

794
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: That's o good one too. Twenty twenty seven feet downhill.

795
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,440
It's gonna break probably right to left, so he doesn't

796
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,719
go straight back straight through. That's coming up a little

797
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,119
bit short, kind of goes out and in and slides

798
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:19,679
across the that that's really good. Just went past the

799
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,000
hole on the low side.

800
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: It feels like it's only hitting the top half of

801
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,119
the ball, which is a little different, very different.

802
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:27,559
Speaker 2: For Yeah, it's a different feeling.

803
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,519
Speaker 1: It's interesting.

804
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,639
Speaker 2: It's cool, interesting idea. Yeah, it is cool.

805
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: I'd like a little more weight at the bottom, I guess. Okay,

806
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:39,119
that'd be my feedback.

807
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Well, thank you very much.

808
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet.

809
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 3: Okay, that's awesome that I love it. People are just

810
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,800
intrigued by it. That makes my day. Yeah, that's enough

811
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,719
for me where it's like, okay, cool, Yeah that is different.

812
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,079
It works, but it's not enough for me.

813
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,639
Speaker 2: There's another guy out there and here's what he here's

814
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,079
that session that one went. What's your name, Mike? Thank you, Mike.

815
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:05,519
Let's do this. Let's take like a ten foot putt. Okay,

816
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,639
take three putts with your putter from that ten feet

817
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,880
and even a six foot part seven foot putt?

818
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,079
Speaker 3: Here?

819
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:13,079
Speaker 2: What do we have here? This is about eight and

820
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:17,079
a half feet. You practiced here before, you know, Okay,

821
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,199
just ring the left side of your first one with

822
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,840
your your own putter. What kind of putter. Now you're

823
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,119
putting with a blade. This is a ping answer. And

824
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:28,039
how long have you been putting with this? Oh?

825
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: Probably ten years?

826
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

827
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: This is called the spoiler and spoiler okay.

828
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. The l E R is lead edge roll okay,

829
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,920
which is spoiled lure. You said it's about the same

830
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,599
way as your ping answer.

831
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: My grip is thick. Yeah, so this is not ideal.

832
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: Short put the good line on that one.

833
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go a little longer putt. How's that?

834
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: Okay? How did that feel?

835
00:41:56,519 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: That felt fine? It's different. Yeah, obviously you.

836
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: Know the point of the lead edge on like people

837
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,960
putting with their wedges, it starts rolling immediately. With most putters,

838
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,679
it slides a little bit. Yeah. So this is about

839
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:17,840
twenty seven feet uphill, break right to left. Look at this.

840
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,280
Whoh your first putt really nice, just on the high

841
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,719
side of the hole. Passed it by about eighteen inches.

842
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,639
Good line on this one, a little bit short by

843
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,440
about three.

844
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: Feet, and I still didn't hit it.

845
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,119
Speaker 2: A little bit short again, low side. What's your index? Mike?

846
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:37,519
Speaker 1: All right?

847
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Right now?

848
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 5: It's fifteen okay, Yeah, how's your putting? Usually my putting

849
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,639
is inconsistent at best, but you're still putting with the

850
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:50,079
same putter after ten years. Yes, it's what did they

851
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:51,119
say about insanity?

852
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You're going to figure out at some point.

853
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,840
So any reviews, what do you what you're con.

854
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: I like it. The only thing I would change is

855
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:00,880
the grip.

856
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,639
Speaker 5: Is the grip really? Let me try this. I would

857
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,360
like to try putting that off the fringe.

858
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: Oh that's an interesting idea. Yeah, because of that lead

859
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:12,400
edge being high.

860
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so even into the ruff a little bit, can

861
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:15,760
you put it?

862
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,679
Speaker 2: So let's take a little more level here. Okay, that's interesting.

863
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,840
He's like, there's the first cut and then the rough

864
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:28,840
and he's about three inches into the rough. Yeah, and

865
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,320
the ball bounced up out of the rough on that

866
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,400
first one came up short about four.

867
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,559
Speaker 1: Or five feet. It does bounce, bounces up.

868
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: Interesting, And this is about a fifteen foot put That's

869
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,800
real good. That's real good.

870
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,519
Speaker 1: Once you get used to it. I think it's fine.

871
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 5: I what I'm trying to do is put that club,

872
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,000
my regular putter under it.

873
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't have to do that with this.

874
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,039
Let me try.

875
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: That's not a putt that you have frequently in your game.

876
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,599
You're just short of the green at a fifteen index. Yeah,

877
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,679
I have a lot of puts from off the green.

878
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: It definitely gets true.

879
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,199
Speaker 2: Yeah it does. Look at this oh.

880
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,519
Speaker 1: Just a little too firm and just under the hole.

881
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one popped up. Take your putter off the

882
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,320
green and show me what happens with this one.

883
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: Wow, that was your best put off from off the

884
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,639
green because that's your putter. All right.

885
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,679
Speaker 2: Nice to meet, great to meet you, Thanks so much.

886
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:30,119
So I found that absolutely fascinating. Did these two random?

887
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,519
I literally random? I just walked them excuse me? Can

888
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,679
I talk to you? And never saw these guys before,

889
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:41,159
but they both they were both intrigued by it. They

890
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,159
both liked it. I loved the idea of the second guy.

891
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,760
I think it was Mike taking it off into the rough.

892
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,000
It's like, oh wait a minute, that makes a lot

893
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,719
of sense because you know this, you know, if you're

894
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,159
putting with a wedge, you want to strike the ball.

895
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:05,000
And even as I was watching the Players Championship this weekend,

896
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,199
whole seven.

897
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,199
Speaker 3: Three time, they'd all rolled Lucas.

898
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it rolled and stop right at the edge.

899
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,119
Speaker 3: Now that is I was waiting for Brad.

900
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: That's hell for all.

901
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,159
Speaker 3: If you need a spoiler. He just didn't say it

902
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,360
if on are because he knows it's out there. He's

903
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,280
commented on it before. But yeah, it's great for right

904
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,880
up there, right up against like the Yeah, I would

905
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,880
first cut and the green like that is. It's wonderful

906
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,760
there out of the rough. It does take some getting used.

907
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,400
You actually to me, I have to play it a

908
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,000
little further back in my stance just because I want

909
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,880
to try and kind of really want to make certain

910
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,960
that I'm hitting either the top of the ball or

911
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:47,960
right at the equator. If you hit under a leath

912
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,679
it a little bit, it'll do what it sounds like

913
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,280
that second gentleman did pop up a little bit before

914
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,800
it starts rolling there, because I mean, it's definitely a

915
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,119
smaller leading edge on it on that on that face,

916
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,519
so you need to be very conscious of where your

917
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:07,320
contact point is on the golf ball. It's really fun

918
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,199
though that they yeah, that he wanted to go do that,

919
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,519
because a lot of people will send us messages as

920
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,559
well or call us and ask Kate, how does it

921
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,000
work off the green. I'm like, it works tremendously well, right,

922
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,400
You just need to play around with it. And I

923
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,000
think it's the same with you know, with any putter,

924
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,639
really like you need to get comfortable with it. Ours

925
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,079
definitely looks different, but I promise it rolls or rolls

926
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:28,519
better than anything else out there.

927
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: As did I represent it? Well?

928
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: What's that?

929
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean? You heard me representing your putter to these

930
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,320
other people that are right?

931
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:35,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

932
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: Like, did I miss any point?

933
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: No? And I I I actually I appreciate when people

934
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,239
know nothing about it too and then just roll it right.

935
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,440
And because to me, that's a lot of the reason

936
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,679
why we haven't even approached like big box retailers or anything,

937
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,760
because it's hard if you see this sitting on the

938
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,320
ground somewhere and golf, the alex here, PGA superstoreg what's that? Yeah,

939
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,039
and write it off as a gimmick. And so you know,

940
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:09,480
we're doing a lot right now to make certain that

941
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,679
we're not written off as a gimmick. We didn't build

942
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,400
this to just be different for the hell of being different.

943
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,679
We did it because there's.

944
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:16,639
Speaker 2: I can't afford that.

945
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: No, And this is a business. It's a business, and

946
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,119
it it truly rolls the ball better and it just

947
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,280
looks different. But that's how we got to that end result.

948
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:30,679
So you know, a lot of it is we've got

949
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,079
to make sure that we're kind of still controlling the

950
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,480
message to the consumer, which is why we do everything

951
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:36,719
D two C right now.

952
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,559
Speaker 2: And direct to consumer. That's exactly what Still.

953
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Speaker 3: We get to a point where we're a little more mainstream.

954
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,559
I went down the PGAHO this year. We didn't have

955
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:48,800
a booth, but you know, went down out, yeah, and

956
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,480
I wanted to meet with people, and I had some

957
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,719
meetings set up and some vendors and some manufacturers that

958
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,840
I needed to meet with down there. So I went

959
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,239
and met there, and you know, when I talked to

960
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,320
a few people like, yeah, I'm Danni with spoiler often

961
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:01,960
I've never heard of it, never heard of it. And

962
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,280
I was like, well, like these are the people of

963
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:06,840
golf and they haven't heard of it. But you know,

964
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,559
if you like, we sold out last year. Our Instagram account,

965
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:14,880
you know, went from zero to almost thirty thousand followers.

966
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: In a year.

967
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 3: Given a lot of tracks, We've had a lot of

968
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:20,360
a lot of videos that have got millions of views,

969
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,719
and so I think people, I think more people have

970
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,119
heard of us than truly have, you know, So it's

971
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,920
still there's a long way to go until we can

972
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,599
get right enough people to hear about us, to give

973
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:35,320
us a try, and and again once they give us

974
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,360
a try. If everyone doesn't love it, I'm okay, but

975
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,800
I want to make sure that the ones that do

976
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,400
love it. And last year, if it's any indication, I mean,

977
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,800
we had very very very low return rates, like you know,

978
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:50,119
single less low single digits, and you know we we

979
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,679
expected a lot more than that for being a very

980
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,559
new product, different product and only about online. So we

981
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,159
feel good with where we are right now. But it's

982
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,960
a matter of getting it out there. Like you didn't

983
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,159
just on a green I mean I do that all

984
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:08,519
the time, right, give me your feedback because that's the

985
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,840
other thing too, Like all last year to me was

986
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,199
it was a huge focus group, right, you know, we

987
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,360
bought our inventory, and then it was let's learn as

988
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,360
much as we can. You know, what's the feedback, the

989
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,159
grip feedback. I heard that a million times. We have

990
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,639
brand new, thicker, nicer grips custom work work for us.

991
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:29,960
This year. We got the same thing with the head cover.

992
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,960
We got new brand new head covers coming out that

993
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:38,159
are nicer, leather, more heavy duty, better stitching, the grip

994
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,079
is probably twice as big, and like I said, it's

995
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:43,519
going to have our logo on it, so it's all

996
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:46,199
custom for us. So you know, we're making small improvements

997
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,679
like that, you know, until and we'll continue to listen

998
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,960
to customer too. Like the center shafted that I won't

999
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,119
be a huge fan of, but maybe it'll change my mind.

1000
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: Is there any incentive that you can provide to the

1001
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,079
Golf s Murder community, you know what I mean? Like

1002
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,719
you're getting your the word out there. You've got an

1003
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,119
interest of a lot of people who are now listening.

1004
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:06,519
Do you have any incentive for them to come to you?

1005
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,039
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely no, and thank you for having me on

1006
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:11,760
this podcast. It's I've listened to it a bunch. Obviously

1007
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,360
Joe introduced me to you. But yeah, for any any

1008
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,840
lesser of golf Smarter, you know, if they want to

1009
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,280
make a purchase. We've been waiting to be in stock.

1010
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,800
Ran out of stock last year. We ran into some

1011
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:25,519
issues with tariffs and things all right, So.

1012
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: We're now talking in mid March here, so by the

1013
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,440
time people hear this, you'll probably have things hopefully back

1014
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:32,800
in stock.

1015
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, tomorrow, we'll be back in stock.

1016
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,639
Speaker 2: Oh all right. So then by the time this thing publishes,

1017
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:39,360
you've got stock. All right.

1018
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: So so for any Golf Smarter listener out there, yeah,

1019
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,920
we can do ten percent off. For anybody who wants

1020
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,599
to give this a try. I'll send I'll send you

1021
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,599
the code, Fred and you can do with it as

1022
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,880
you will, but it'll be golf Smarter ten They can

1023
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,639
use it when they go.

1024
00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: Just make it golf smarter.

1025
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 3: Just make it easy, all right. Let's just we're going

1026
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,360
to make the code golf Prter Moody, who yeah, hears

1027
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,639
about us through this podcast and wants to give us

1028
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:05,960
a try, so.

1029
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:10,039
Speaker 2: On the coupon code. So just go to spoiler golf

1030
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,199
dot com when you check out, check out, check out

1031
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,800
the whole site, and when you're checking out, put in

1032
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,840
golf Smarter and you'll be getting ten percent office right,

1033
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,679
you're Spoiler Golf button.

1034
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely and training it and hopefully you're back. Yeah. And

1035
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,559
how people want to use it, We're all here for it.

1036
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, take one home and check it out and you

1037
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,719
got a thirty day You got a thirty day money

1038
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:34,239
back here.

1039
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesactly want people to love it.

1040
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: That's it.

1041
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: At the end of the day.

1042
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: Fabulous, Dan, Thank you so much. I'm really impressed. I'm

1043
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,079
excited for you guys. I hope this works way beyond

1044
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,360
your expectations too, and anything that we can do to

1045
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,679
give you a little bit of a push, I'm happy

1046
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,360
to do it. Thank you, man, I really appreciate it.

1047
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,639
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Appreciate taking the time and always

1048
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:06,920
fun chatting with you.