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Speaker 1: I was listening to the story about It was the

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story of a family in Washington and the little boy

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called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he had

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apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid.

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And it hit me. My children were in that play

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pen behind me. It was nothing but a mosquito net

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with it could have crept up behind me and taken

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both of my children, and.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: His father just got like a Mustang or something from Wyoming, Okay.

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He had it out in the corral because he couldn't

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put it in the barn with in the stalls with

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the other horses. It would kick and made all the

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other horses nervous. At a seminal Indian work in the

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horse trying to break it. Every day they had it

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out in the corral. The skunky snunk up behind his

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horse and grabbed it bonnets, hindquarters. This particular horse that

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kicks out, jumps over the corral, runs to the picture,

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you know, to get away. At this point, the ranchers

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out there just blessed away with the thirty thirty suncavee

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one at the swamp.

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Speaker 2: I went up there one day after that or two

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days after that, I went up there and sat in

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the silence up there, and I'm telling you, man, it

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was free. It was crazy, you know it was. There

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was a crazy vibe up there.

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Speaker 4: Still.

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Speaker 2: I did what I could to kind of get things

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under control. But I told her, I said, you need

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to get off this problem. I feel like, no matter

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how strong you are, it's almos like standing in the ocean.

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You can't stand still without moving your feet. You're going

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to get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever,

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you can't withstand a barrage of of weird spiritual energy.

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Speaker 5: Well is up, everybody? Look com paranormal honesty. I am

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your host Wayne, joined as always by my partner, and

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I'm the lovely and talented miss Tiffany. What's up man?

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Speaker 4: Not too much? I feel like I'm short. I think

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how I think my chairs lowered to I just realized

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that I've been in here with you for how long?

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Are I just not realize that I'm really short? But

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that's okay. I'm here.

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Speaker 5: You are really short.

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Speaker 1: I am really.

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Speaker 4: I think I need to put myself up or something,

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and I think my chair is low.

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Speaker 5: Why don't you grow a little bit? Well?

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Speaker 4: I'm fun sized. Okay, I quit growing at.

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Speaker 5: Five fool, well is about that I am.

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Speaker 4: He has to look down on me, and he's always like,

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oh my god, you're so short.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, shut up, everybody, thank you so much for

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hanging out with us tonight. Uh doing a little bit

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doing something a little bit different. Tonight. We have no

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guests lined up. We are going to be covering a

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missing person's case. This one. You eat you guys that

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have all of us for a while now. You you

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know that we like to talk about missing person cases

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every once in a while, but I don't think that

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we've ever done a live show dedicated to just missing people.

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But this one tonight, guys, it's it's creepy, it's haunting,

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it's horrifying. Something happened to these young ladies overseas and

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Panama that ten years later, we're still trying to get

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to the bottom of. You know, we just don't know.

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So many people have covered this case, and I've known

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ever since that we started doing the missing person's case

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files that eventually I was going to cover this case,

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but I wanted to save it for something like this,

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like a special. I didn't want to do like a

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thirty minute video on it where you know, we just

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talk about it. Something happened to these young ladies in

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the prime of their life. It's it's horrifying being I'm

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a father. I've got two daughters. I've got a daughter

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that's around the age of these young ladies when they

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went missing, and I just could not imagine. I can't

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imagine what their parents went through, what they're still going

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through ten years later, with zero answers. Something happened to

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these young ladies. And we're not going to get to

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the bottom of it because no one's been able to yet.

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I hope one day that that family will get some answers.

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What did you think about this case?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I concur because both of our older children are

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in the same age range of these two young ladies.

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a lot of room for speculation, there's a lot of

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room for theories. But the fact of the matter is

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is out of all the speculation and all the theories,

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we have no conclusion none at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean very well said. So we Uh,

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tried to play the video on a live show, we

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got penalized. So hopefully if I just play the audio,

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instead of actually seeing it without getting in trouble. So

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hopefully we can do that.

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Speaker 4: It's Chris Kramer, and listen, Foon.

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Speaker 5: Listen for him. That's right. But yeah, these two ladies

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were in their early twenties when they decided that they

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became really good friends. They wanted to do some traveling

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and that's what they kind of bonded over. They saved

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up their money and they wanted to go on this

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trip to Panama. They were going over there. I mean,

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these ladies, they weren't just going over over there at

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a party. They were going over there to volunteer their time.

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they were learning Spanish and they just seemed like really

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really awesome young ladies. They really did. Their lives were

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cut tragically short. Do you want to talk a little

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bit about the case, Tiffany.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like Wayne said, they were going

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over there to teach I think they were teaching the

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students English, but I know that they themselves were also

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going over there to learn some Spanish. And I mean

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they had the purest of intentions going over there. I mean, yes,

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they're in their twenties. Yes, that's when you party and

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you do stupid stuff, but I mean these were solid

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minded women essentially, and they go on a hike and

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that was the last anybody's seen of them. They were

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staying with a host family and they didn't come back home.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, tragically they didn't. There's so many, so many things

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that happened in this story. I'm gonna go ahead and

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go ahead and put it out there myself. I don't

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think this was an accident. I think these ladies were

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met without play in one way or another. We're gonna

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be talking about a couple of different things that might

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have happened to them. I've got about a twenty five

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minute clip that I'm going to play for you guys

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that will do a much better job than Tiffany and

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I in like breaking you in to this case, bringing

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you in from the ground level and giving you a

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full idea. So I'm going to play that. It's not

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a video it's completely audio, so you guys let me

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know if you can hear it. Okay, But after that

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about what we think happened. And you guys be coming up.

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any opinions, please be ready to let us know what

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you think. But I'm going to go ahead and start

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Speaker 7: On the morning of the first of April twenty fourteen,

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two young women decided to hike up to a popular

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tourist spot on the famous Pianist to Trail. They were

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never seen alive again. Were there deaths the result of

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a tragic accident, or is there more to this mystery

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that meets the eye? What happened to the lost girls

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of Panama? It is said that every year, in those

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first few weeks, when the rains begin to fall over

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the rolling hills of the Green Mountain Highlands, that if

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you listen very closely, you will hear the echoed cries

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of Leschicus Hollandsas it is nothing more than a local superstition,

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But for the people of a small town nestled in

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a valley on the southern flank of the continental divide,

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those cries are both clear and dominous. The name of

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this small town is Bokeetae, and it belongs to a

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region of Panama which has often been described as Little Switzerland.

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Its stunning pine forests, crystal clear lakes, and steep pastures

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are highly reminiscent of those Swiss landscapes, presenting an idyllic

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beauty which seems to reinforce Panama's very distinction of being

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Central America's safest nation. For how could anything bad happen

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in amongst all that splendor? At least, that is the

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impression two young women had when they decided to visit

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this part of the world. Lizana Frown and Chris Kramersh

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had saved up for months to take the holiday of

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a lifetime, a six week long tour of the tropical

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paradise that is the Isthmus of Panama. Their stay was

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to be more than a simple vacation, as they planned

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to learn fluent Spanish and partake in volunteer work whilst

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they were there. As they boarded their flight on the

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fifteenth of March twenty fourteen, they no doubt did so

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with the feeling of excitement and anticipation, oblivious to the

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tragedy that awaited them. Two weeks after landing at Tokiomen

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International Airport, they would hike up into the heavenly cloud

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forests of the Green Mountain Highlands and never return. It

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would be months before any trace of them was found,

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and those traces would leave behind a truly haunting mystery

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which divides opinion to this day. Found in amongst their

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recovered belongings was a camera which would provide a tiny

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window into their final days and leave us wondering was

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it just a tragic accident or did something far more

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sinister occur? It is not a question we can answer,

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but one we can at least elaborate upon. So let

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us go back to where it all started, with two

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young ladies who would later become known as Les Chicas

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houlendesas the Dutch Girls, Lisanna and Chris. Lizana Frown was

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born on the twenty fourth of September nineteen ninety one.

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Standing at six feet tall, she was described as athletic

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and adventurous. She was a keen member of her college

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volleyball team and had also dabbled in more extreme endeavors

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such as mountaineering. And skydiving. Lizana was also highly intelligent,

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having graduated from Saxeon Universe with a degree in applied psychology.

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During her studies, she had developed a passion for amateur

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photography and had purchased a camera so that she could

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further indulge in her newfound hobby. As she had spent

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her whole life in Ameshfort, a municipality in Utrecht Province

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of the Netherlands, she longed to travel the world, and

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it was through this desire that she befriended a young

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lady named Chris Kramers. Chris was born on the ninth

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of August nineteen ninety two, and where Lazana was a

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bit of an introvert, Chris was the exact opposite. Her

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outgoing nature was reflected in her love of the arts.

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She was an amateur actress and was on the verge

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of graduating in art history at the University of Utrecht.

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Friends and relatives spoke highly of her open, friendly nature

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and her great sense of humor. She was the kind

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of person that would do anything for anyone if they

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were in need. Chris met Lasana whilst working part time

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at a cafe in Amishfort, and the pair bonded quickly

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due to their mutual interest in traveling. As friends, they

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soon became inseparable, and they planned to take a trip

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to Central America as soon as they had saved up

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enough money. But as they were penniless students, they had

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to cut their respective living costs, and so moved into

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an apartment together to help raise those funds. Within six months,

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they had booked their flight to Panama and kissed their

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families goodbye with an unspoken promise to return. Of course,

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they couldn't have known that they would break that promise

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just as completely as they would break the hearts of

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those they loved. Two weeks of their holiday sightseeing and

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taking part in leisure activities before moving on to the

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real purpose of their trip. As mentioned previously, they wanted

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to learn fluent Spanish and had applied for jobs in

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order to accomplish this quickly. It just so happened that

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a school in the small town of Bouquetta in West

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Panama had been looking for volunteer social workers to help

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out with the children's studies. This had all been arranged

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when they first booked the holiday, and they were under

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the impression that they were due to start their jobs

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at the school on the thirty first of March twenty fourteen. However,

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when they arrived on this date, they were told rather

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bluntly that they were seven days early. Now at a

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loose end, and with the whole week to kill, they

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decided to explore the Green Mountain Highlands and Vulcan Baru

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National Park, which were just as stone's throw away from Bokeeta.

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They had it in mind to hike up to the

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Continental Divide, a point which separates the watersheds that flow

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into the Pacific Ocean to the south and Caribbean Sea

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to the north. At one thousand, eight hundred and fifty

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metres above sea level, the Mirror Door or Lookout sits

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right on the cusp of the Continental Divide and offers

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stunning three hundred and sixty degree panoramas which stretch all

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the way to the horizon. The main route lead up

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to the Mirrodor is known as the Pianist Trail, which

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is highly popular with tourists not only for its population

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of tropical birds and its breathtaking vistas, but also because

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the trail cuts through the region's famous cloud forests. These

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are dense woodlands, most of which are quite literally situated

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inside the cloud layer due to their altitude, which gives

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them an almost ethereal appearance. It is no wonder that

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this turned out to be Chris and Lausanna's first port

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of call. Unfortunately for them, it would also be their last.

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On the morning of the first of April, they were

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seen having brunch at around ten a m with two

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other men, also Dutch nationals, whom they had befriended shortly

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after arriving in Baqueta. This was the last time anyone

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decisively recalled seeing them. A few people told police that

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they thought they had seen them on the Pianista trail

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later that day, but these reports were unconfirmed. In any case,

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they made a final post on Facebook stating their intention

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to walk around Bakhetti and then set off for the

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Mirrordor as soon as they had finished their meal. Along

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the way, they were accompanied by a dog named Blue,

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the household pet of the family they were lodging. With

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time stamps on recovered photos, when matched by location, suggested

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that they made excellent time and that they had arrived

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at the Continental Divide by one pm that afternoon. The

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pictures also indicated that the weather was bright and sunny,

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and views from the Mirrordor were clear and far reaching.

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What was obvious was that the two women had dressed

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and packed relatively light, definitely not intending to take an

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extended hike. The first signs that something was up emerged

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later that evening, when Blue returned home by himself. Chris

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and Lisana were nowhere to be seen. The next day,

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they failed to show up for a pre booked appointment

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with a local tour guide, which raised further alarm within

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the community. Meanwhile, back in the Netherlands, the girl's families

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had stopped receiving text messages, which had been a daily

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occurrence up until that point. On the third of April,

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residents from the town began a ground search for the

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two young women, whilst local authorities made aerial sweeps. The

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participation of local authorities is actually a point of contention

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amongst investigators. Whilst official search and rescue teams are adamant

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that their involvement began on the third, many stakeholders, including townsfolk,

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flatly reject this claim and instead state that they did

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not get involved until many days later on the sixth. Coincidentally,

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This is also the date on which police detectives, dog

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teams and the girls' families arrived from the Netherlands to

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assist in the search. Despite the concerted effort by hundreds

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of people, as well as the offer of a thirty

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thousand dollars award by family members, nobody found a single

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trace of the two young women. After ten days the

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official search which came to an end, but many townspeople

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still took it upon themselves to continue looking. It was

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all to no avail. Chris and Lasanna had seemingly vanished

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into thin air. Ten weeks passed by, and long after

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all other searches had ceased, a member of the indigenous

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Ngobi tribe walked into Bouqueta carrying Lizana's blue backpack and

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some of the girl's other belongings. She handed it in

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to the local police department, saying that she had found

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it on the bank of a river near her village

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of Alto Romero. It was close to a rice paddy

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where she had been working, and she indicated that it

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had not been there the day before. This suggested it

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had washed up on the river bank sometime during the

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previous evening when authorities checked the contents of the backpack.

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They found two pairs of sunglasses, a water bottle, eighty

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three dollars in cash, Lizana's passport, her camera, two pairs

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of bras, and both women's mobile phones. Everything was dry

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and the camera and phones were still in working order,

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somewhat contradicting the possibility that the backpack had been washed downstream.

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Authorities immediately began an extensive search of the area and

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located Chris's gene shorts about a mile upstream from where

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the backpack was discovered. Some people say that they were

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found zipped and neatly folded on top of a rock,

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whilst others contend that they were found floating in the

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river itself. One of Chris's empty boots was also located

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in the same area. If the discovery of clothing and

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apparel had been a reason to panic, nothing would bear

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the families for what came next. Over the next two months,

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up to thirty three bone fragments were found scattered over

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a small area, including a piece of Lazana's pelvis, as

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well as one of her boots with her foot bones

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still inside. Fragments of Chris's bones were also found relatively

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close by, along with those of three other unidentified individuals.

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This came as something of a shock to those close

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to the case, and suspicions of foul play began to

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weigh heavily on everyone's minds. In the meantime, police had

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been checking the contents of both the phones and the camera.

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It was discovered that between the dates of the first

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and third of April, the girls had made a total

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of seven failed attempts to call emergency services, the first

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call being placed only a few hours after they had

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reached the mirror door on the day of their hike,

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at sixteen thirty nine in the afternoon. After the third

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of April, the phones were only ever powered on to

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carry out signal checks. No further attempts to call emergency

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services were made. It is believed that Lazanna's phone ran

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out of battery on the fifth, as it was not

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turned on again after this date. On the sixth, Chris's

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phone was powered on, but the access pin was entered

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incorrectly for the first time. In fact, a total of

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seventy seven attempts to access the phone were made between

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the seventh and tenth of APIs, but all were unsuccessful.

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This phone was switched on again on the eleventh for

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a signal check, and was left active for just over

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an hour before being switched off for the final time.

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The phones were not accessed again after this date. The

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most chilling aspect of the entire case, however, would be

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the one hundred or so photographs that were found on

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Lazana's camera. The first eleven images were ordinary enough. Taken

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on the first of April, they showed the girls walking

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along the trail, taking selfies and generally enjoying the hike.

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But as the afternoon wore on, the last few of

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these images begin to exhibit a different mood. Pictures taken

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from behind Chris show her looking back at Lasana with

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an uncertain expression. The camera was not used again from

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the second to the seventh of April, but in the

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early hours of the eighth, between one am and four

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am in the morning, more than ninety photos were taken

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in complete darkness. Neither of the women are featured in

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these images, apart from a close up of Chris's strawberry

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blonde hair with what looks like dried blood on her skin.

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What they do show are snapshots of the dark jungle interior,

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most of which are aimed at nothing in particular, although

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a few of them do seem to have a purpose

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in mind. Some show twigs and reflective materials laid out

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in deliberate patterns, others with plastic bags hooked onto branches.

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One is even believed to have been taken from the

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top of a ravine, looking down upon a body lying

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at the bottom, but it is far too dark to

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be conclusive even after enhancement. All in all, the images

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add a somewhat bizarre element to the case, but unfortunately

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they present far more questions than they do answers. So

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what happened to these two young women during the days

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after they went missing. The most prominent theory is that

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they took a wrong turn whilst on the Continental divide,

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and instead of heading back down towards Bouchetae on the

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south side, they moved into the much deeper wilderness to

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the north. Once they realized they had become lost, they

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tried calling emergency services but were unsuccessful. They probably continued

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moving downhill in this direction, hoping they would find their

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way out or stumble upon a settlement. But unknown to

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Chris and Lisana, the only thing that awaited them was

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even more notoriously difficult to rain, with a lot of

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almost impassable ravines. It is believed that on the fifth

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of April, Chris suffered a terrible, perhaps even fatal accident.

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The fact that the person who tried to access her

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phone on the sixth did not know the pin suggests

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that this was probably Lisanna. Chris must have been either

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unconscious or dead at this point, otherwise she would have

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been able to just tell her friend what the PIN

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number was. There is a possibility that Lizana stayed with

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the dead or dying Chris for some time, not wanting

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to leave her alone. When she at last decided to

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move on, she placed markers indicating where Chris's body was

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located in case she made it out alive and had

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to guide rescuers back in to retrieve her body, and

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this was believed to be the purpose of the nighttime photos.

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Either that or she was using the flash as a

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light source as she walked through the forest in darkness,

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which would have been highly dangerous. In any case, Luzanna

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probably survived a few more days. This was supported by

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the fact that Chris's phone was powered on again on

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the eleventh However, she must have eventually succumbed to starvation

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or dehydration soon afterwards, or suffered an accident of her own.

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The bones found inside her boot indicated that she had

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broken her foot at some point, suggesting she had suffered

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a trip or fall. The bodies of the two women

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were then at the mercy of scavengers, and their remains

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were more than likely washed downstream towards Altromero. Despite being

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a relatively plausible explanation, there are a number of issues

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with this theory. First of all, how could the girls

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have taken a wrong turn whilst on the continental divide.

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The north facing slopes are much steeper than the south

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and it would have been obvious that this was not

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the way they had come. Secondly, from the mirror dor,

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the Pianista trail is easily recognizable, and you can even

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see the town of Buketay lying in the valley below

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from this altitude, So why did they travel in the

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opposite direction? Could they have been forced into going this way?

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Foul play has never been ruled out of this case,

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and although evidence regarding their phone usage seems to contradict

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the involvement of a third party, there are other possibilities.

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A kidnapper would never have allowed the two women to

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keep hold of their phones, so it is unlikely that

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they were ever abducted, But what if they had been followed.

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According to an article published in twenty sixteen by The

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Daily Beast, there is apparently a tour guide in Buketay

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who many locals suspect as having something to do with

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the deaths of the two women. He was not named,

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but it is known that he had met with Lazanna

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and Chris less than twenty four hours before they disappeared.

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He had offered them a full tour package, including a

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guided Hi cup to the Continental Divide, plus an overnight

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stay at his ranch on the other side of the mountains.

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For reasons known only to themselves, the girls declined his

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offer and decided to walk the Pianista trail alone. This

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particular tour guide has a reputation in the town for

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being overly friendly towards female tourists. In fact, even some

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hikers who have visited the region mentioned on Reddit when

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discussing this case, that this same tour guide had behaved

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inappropriately towards their own girlfriends, petting them and touching them.

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Could this man have taken Chris and Lausanna's rejection as

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a slight. Could he have followed them up the Pianista

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trail and have scared them into seeking another route down?

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After all, he was the one who first discovered their remains,

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and what's more, they were located less than half a

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mile from his ranch. Fish and is regarding a third

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party do not end there. When forensics examined Lisanna's backpack,

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they discovered more than thirty sets of fingerprints on it.

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Whilst it is possible that the lady who found the

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bag may have passed it around her village before handing

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it in to police, this was never confirmed. Another unusual

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aspect is the lack of grease on the backpack and

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items of recovered clothing. As a body decomposes, grease evacuates

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the soft tissues and soaks into whatever the cadaver is wearing,

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and one would expect this to have been found on

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the girl's apparel if they had died as the result

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of an accident. There were also questions raised over the

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condition of some of the remains. Chris's bones looked as

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if they had been bleached, which was not in accordance

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with the rate of decay and seemed unlikely given the

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covering of the forest canopy. However, this depends entirely on

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where her bones were located. If they had been washed

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up on the bank of a river, for instance, which

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received more sunlight, it is not incomprehensible for them to

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have been bleached in the intense rays over a period

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of months. On the other hand, there were no markings

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on the bones whatsoever. If the bodies had fallen victim

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to scavengers after death, teeth marks and other minuscular brasions

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would have been detected under a microscope, but there were none.

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The lack of any big bones is also troubling for

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many investigators. Why didn't they find any significant remains? As

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one of the most prominent guides in Buchette was quoted

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as saying, there are no animals up there that would

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eat a skull, so where are the rest of Chris

479
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and Lusanna's bodies? Other pertinent questions regarding the deletion of

480
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,279
a picture on the camera also points to the possibility

481
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,359
of something more sinister. Image five oh nine, which sits

482
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240
in between the final daytime photo taken on the first

483
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,200
and the first nighttime photo taken on the eighth seemed

484
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920
to be missing, but it's on clear whether this was

485
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,039
deleted by one of the girls or another party later on,

486
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,640
perhaps to hide something. It should come as no surprise

487
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,680
that many people in the town suspect to cover up,

488
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,319
as tourism accounts for almost four billion dollars a year

489
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:21,039
eighteen percent of Panama's GDP Residents insist that the accident

490
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:24,440
scenario has been overly pushed by local authorities rather than

491
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,000
one involving foul play in order to protect that income.

492
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,720
Especially since the deaths of Chris and Lsana, it is

493
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,839
now believed that there may be a serial killer at

494
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,680
large in the area. There have been up to twenty

495
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,400
five deaths and disappearances in the region which remain unsolved,

496
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,680
two thirds of which have occurred over the last three years.

497
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,599
This makes one wonder who the other three individuals were

498
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,359
whose remains were found along with the girls, but authorities

499
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,240
simply explain this by saying that the terrain on that

500
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:58,960
side of the divide is very dangerous. Even the indigenous

501
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,759
peoples are wary of traversing that part of the region,

502
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,880
and many have died crossing the monkey bridges which Chris

503
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:09,440
crossed the ravines. There are many more theories out there,

504
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,839
of course, Some believe the girls were eaten by pygmy

505
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,160
cannibals or killed for their organs by traffickers. Some even

506
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,240
favor a supernatural explanation and have noted similarities with missing

507
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:25,039
for one one cases. But as it stands, the deaths

508
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,279
of Chris Kramer's and Zanna Frown were more than likely

509
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,240
a tragic accident, although it seems that there are far

510
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,160
too many questions hanging over this case to conclude this

511
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,640
with any certainty. Too many bizarre elements, such as while

512
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,559
Lizanna took those photos at night and not in the daytime,

513
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,559
what was she trying to tell us? Was she simply

514
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,319
trying to find her way in the dark, or possibly

515
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:51,079
even scare off wild animals. Was she so sleep deprived

516
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:54,720
and dehydrated by this time that she was possibly hallucinating?

517
00:30:55,559 --> 00:31:00,519
And was it even her who took the photographs at all? Fortunately,

518
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,359
we'll probably never know why Chris and Lazana decided to

519
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,400
pass over to the other side of the divide. Maybe

520
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,119
they took a wrong turn, maybe they were forced, or

521
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,200
maybe they just felt over confident and wanted to explore Further,

522
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,359
simply put, what we have here is a case of

523
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,960
two young women getting lost in the jungle, desperately needing

524
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,359
assistance and never receiving any One can only imagine the

525
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,759
fear and dinner turmoil they must have felt, wandering through

526
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,079
the untamed lands of a foreign country in the dead

527
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,519
of night, starving and dehydrated, and panicking at every sound,

528
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:43,119
and that is terrifying enough. The world has lost two

529
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,079
more bright and beautiful human beings in Chris Kramer's and

530
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:49,920
Lizanna frown. We can only wonder what they might be

531
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,200
doing now, what they might have achieved in their lives

532
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,400
if only they had turned back towards Bouqueta on that

533
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,920
fateful afternoon. Our hearts go out to their families. May

534
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,160
they forever rest in peace.

535
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:16,039
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Paranormal Odyssey. There you go. For

536
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,920
those of you that weren't familiar with this case, you

537
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:25,279
are a little bit more now. It's just heartbreaking. I

538
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,960
believe Troy asked at some point during the video which

539
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,359
one was which Lesanne I think was the taller, the

540
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,160
six foot tall, and then Chris was the shorter one.

541
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:49,160
Either way, both young, very smart, very pretty personable, young

542
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:56,960
women that were taken. I mean the lots of someone's eyes.

543
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,920
Their parents loved them, you know, they did their siblings,

544
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,319
if they had any I mean boyfriend. I know I

545
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:09,799
think Lessay had a boyfriend. What's going through his mind

546
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,400
while all that's going on? You know what's happening to

547
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:20,799
my girlfriend? It's it's just heartbreaking. I mean, my daughter

548
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,480
Sydney is I mean, she was born in twenty she's

549
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,400
twenty four now, she just turned twenty four. I cannot

550
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:36,480
imagine being forced to live this life knowing that something

551
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:41,519
happened to her and I couldn't help her, and I

552
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:45,839
don't even know what happened to her. It's it's awful.

553
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,119
It's terrifying. Tiffany, I know you looked into it a

554
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,119
lot in preparation for this. What are your thoughts?

555
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: Well, there were some things that were mentioned on there.

556
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,160
I mean that you have brought up, but I hadn't

557
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,599
found when I was researching it, Like with the you know,

558
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,799
you had talked before the show about the tour guide

559
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,920
and you know he was a little bit two. I

560
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,119
mean I could see them saying, no, fam, We're we're good,

561
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,800
We're gonna go on this way. Maybe he did spook

562
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,000
them into going the wrong way and he could have

563
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,400
just followed him anyway. I mean, but again, my daughter

564
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,559
too was born in two thousand. She turned twenty four

565
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:32,639
in August, so Kaylee's twenty five. I mean, it's there's

566
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,400
there's a lot more questions than there are answers. But

567
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,840
what I did find is I think it was Lessan's

568
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,239
parents actually went to Panama and they took some of

569
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,280
the Dutch National Guards with them. Nobody could find them.

570
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,400
There are two women who posted an article in twenty

571
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,639
twenty three that they were planning on going up there

572
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,159
to look for the rest of their remains. I on

573
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,679
their own dollar, We're just gonna go because there's supposed

574
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,719
to be a dam in that river that they were

575
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,880
talking about. And they're like, well, if any of their

576
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,079
remains are still there, they're going to be right there

577
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,519
at the dam. So they were actually planning on going

578
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,519
up there. I didn't find if they did or not,

579
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,280
but they were planning on going up there. But there's

580
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:29,639
so many questions, like with the backpack, why why does

581
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,639
anybody think that you can put a waterproof, a non

582
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,960
waterproof book bag into a river and have the dry backpack,

583
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,039
the camera that's not damaged, the phones that are not damaged,

584
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,599
and what the hell is it with the seventy seven

585
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:50,559
incorrect access codes?

586
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:56,599
Speaker 5: That's it, that's it. You just right on the fucking nose, Tiffany,

587
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,800
You just hit it. Why why was a set over

588
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:09,119
seventy attempts to enter this young lady's passcode for her phone?

589
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,320
And you and I talked about this. It's one of

590
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,079
the things that we talked about before we came on.

591
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:18,599
If your best friend and you do y'all know each

592
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:23,239
other's passcodes? Most of the time, I would say, yes,

593
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,679
y'all know each others. So if you're incapacitated, if there

594
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,760
was an accident and you fail and you're unconscious, I

595
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,480
think that your friend knows that your knows your passcode

596
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,440
and able to get help. Why Why does someone take

597
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:46,800
seventy something attempts and never does get access to it?

598
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:52,079
That is but again, everybody, Yeah, that's not everybody. I

599
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:56,199
can't speak for everyone. I mean, some people are really

600
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:02,400
really private with their stuff. But I'm thinking girls, best friends,

601
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,239
they don't care to share their past code, right right?

602
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,159
Speaker 4: Yeah? I know everybody everybody, of course, I mean we're family.

603
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:14,199
But I mean, I don't ever have anything to hide

604
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,119
and just pick up my phone or in my passcode

605
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,320
and you know, do what they need to do. But

606
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,320
you know, if they're if they're you know, bunking together

607
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,239
and they're splitting the costs, and you know, I would

608
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,920
think or I would like to think that they would

609
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,480
have shared each other's passcode just in case something happens.

610
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,920
But they were not prepared to stay out there for

611
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960
any length of time. I mean, they'd planned on being

612
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,119
back at their host house by that evening. I mean,

613
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,119
they only had one bottle of water between the two

614
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,039
of them, and no doubt, I mean the reason why

615
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,679
the phones were being turned off was just to conserve battery,

616
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,519
and then they only, you know, only turned it on

617
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,920
to try to call none one one repeatedly.

618
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: There are a couple of theirs that are bouncing around

619
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:04,679
the video that we shared with you. The clip that

620
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,639
we shared with you guys didn't really go into They

621
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:13,119
did a little bit about the tour guide. I have

622
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,800
looked in a little bit about this tour guide. This

623
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,440
dude was creepy as fuck. I mean, I think he

624
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:29,000
had a record. He was known for making advances toward women,

625
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,760
and if this guy had anything to do with it,

626
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,079
I don't think anything good would have come from that.

627
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,679
Speaker 4: No, one hundred percent not. And if he has a

628
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,159
record and he is known to do that, why are

629
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,239
you letting him work for you? Why are you letting

630
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,679
him be a tour God? That's creepy.

631
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and again, this isn't the US. I mean,

632
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,639
we do vet our employees a little bit better. But yeah,

633
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:07,360
you're exactly right. Another thing I heard, and Tiffany, I

634
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,559
don't know if you heard any of this in your research.

635
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:18,000
Supposedly there's a gang that operates over there, and one

636
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,800
of them, I don't know which one. I think Lesane

637
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,599
had the boyfriend she was committed to, so I don't

638
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:30,280
think it was her, But the other one, Chris, may

639
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,960
have had something to do with. She may have met

640
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,039
this gentleman over there that she was had felt a

641
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:43,360
connection to or whatever. But he was a gang member

642
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,719
and it's reported now there are police and detectives and

643
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,559
people that have looked into this, that have followed up

644
00:39:53,599 --> 00:40:01,159
to this that say that one of them had some

645
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,159
kind of dealings with this person that was a reported

646
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,519
gang member, and it's believed that they ran into this

647
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,239
person or another member of the gang on the trail.

648
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:22,000
They went back with them to a party and advances

649
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,599
were made towards one of them which were refuted that

650
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,679
she didn't want anything to do with it, and that

651
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,320
didn't end well, and both of them ended up dead.

652
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,320
I have I wish that I would have written down

653
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,119
where I heard this, But someone has followed this lead

654
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:51,719
over there and they said that a person, that a

655
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,280
young man that first came out with this story ended

656
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,760
up dead due to mysterious circumstances. That led to another

657
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,079
young man who in turn ended up dead due to

658
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:13,639
mysterious circumstances murdered. Both of these guys were murdered, and

659
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:18,360
it was said that they had information about these two women.

660
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,159
Did you hear any Did you find anything like that?

661
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,880
I know, Again, again, all of the studying, all of

662
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,320
the looking, in the researching that I have done, which

663
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,599
is quite a bit, I only saw that in a

664
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:43,280
couple places. But people are more scary than cryptids. People

665
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,079
are more scary than ghosts than paranormal stuff. I would

666
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:53,719
rather deal with any of that than a crazy person exactly.

667
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,360
And I think that that's what happened to these young ladies.

668
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: Well, let's look at the let's look at the bones. Okay,

669
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,599
So Chris Kremer, it was her pelvis that was found.

670
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,480
It was said to have been bleached. So but in

671
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,719
that time period, like it said, it would not have

672
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,840
been able to have been bleached the way that they're saying. Yeah,

673
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:25,039
Lesand's foot was found. Her boot was found, and then

674
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:28,480
her foot was found in her boot. So from what

675
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,599
I heard, they found her boot and her foot in

676
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:37,199
the Okay, this is the jungle guy. So the jungle.

677
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,239
They found her foot behind a like behind a bush,

678
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,760
kind of situated behind a tree. First off, it's the jungle.

679
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,639
Are you just gonna have some kind of radar detection

680
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,639
that goes off and says, hey, there's a shoe every

681
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,679
you're just get a foot in it. No, But it

682
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,280
was like I think I've read somewhere it was like

683
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,639
a cli cut.

684
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 5: Yeah I read that too.

685
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 4: It was not jagged, it was not not surgical.

686
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

687
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like you know, and I think it

688
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,960
was Mike who had said did he have an operating

689
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:20,880
room in his basement? This tour guide? I mean, how

690
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,360
do you get a clink surgical precision clean cut. I

691
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:32,119
don't get that part at all. And the and the pictures,

692
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,800
the five oh nine, okay, five o nine had been deleted,

693
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,039
and when they took the SD card out, it showed

694
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,599
that it still had some data on it. So from

695
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,480
what I heard is when you take the SD card out,

696
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,880
there's some some data still on it. However, it looked

697
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:55,119
to have been deleted by a computer. Mm hmm, there's

698
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:56,840
no computer. They didn't have a computer.

699
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: Were walking around with a computer.

700
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: Right exactly when it's like Chris said, the bleach bone

701
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,760
sounds like a serial killer, you know, pour some asset

702
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,079
on it.

703
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:14,119
Speaker 5: But I stop thinking has happened. Something happened to these

704
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:19,559
young ladies, and someone out there knows the truth. And

705
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:21,760
this one, I don't a lot of the things that

706
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,119
we covered, Tiffany. I think I have this feeling we

707
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:28,719
will never know the answer this one. I think I

708
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,079
feel like we will eventually.

709
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 4: I think so someone.

710
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: Knows what happened and they will come forward.

711
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think there's like these two

712
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,920
women who are invested enough in this case to go

713
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,320
and look for the rest of their remains. I mean,

714
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,000
who's to say, I mean, they could find them and

715
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,119
you know, it could be solved then, but there's so

716
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,079
many like the what was that one hundred pictures or

717
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:02,719
ninety pictures that were taken? You know, if Chris died

718
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,280
April fifth and Lysanne didn't, because there's speculation that they

719
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,280
were taking the picture was taking the pictures either to

720
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,360
at night to alert somebody of their whereabouts because the

721
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,519
flash was going.

722
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,639
Speaker 5: Off, or to see where they were going, or to

723
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,800
scare something off.

724
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: Right, There's just so many what ifs, There's so many questions.

725
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 5: Can you just imagine take a second, everybody, take a

726
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:40,039
second and imagine put yourself in their shoes, how terrified

727
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,639
you would be. I mean, there's been times here in Tennessee, Georgia,

728
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,199
you know, in my surrounding areas that I've been camping

729
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,079
and I've been scared. But could you could you imagine

730
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,760
being in a place that you're not familiar with, the woods,

731
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:06,679
the jungle, and someone's trying to bring you horm Just yeah,

732
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:12,320
it sounds ritual. I mean, it's terrifying. Guys. I hate,

733
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,639
I hate that these young ladies went through that. I

734
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:22,000
can't stand it. Well, I mean, and again, let's look

735
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,079
at this, these two ladies they were young, they were

736
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:34,199
pretty they were foreign, they weren't you know, uh, they

737
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,639
weren't used to the area. They were new to the area.

738
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,000
So and I think they come from pretty well to

739
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:45,000
do families. They're getting attention. What's the people that are

740
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:48,719
over there that aren't getting attention? How much is going

741
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,320
on over there? Because there's been talk of a serial

742
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,880
killer operating over there. So the locals that didn't come

743
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:05,480
from wealthy families, that weren't you on vacation, that are

744
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:09,119
just disappearing. Is what's going on over there?

745
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,599
Speaker 4: Right? And it is so foreign and it is you know,

746
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:16,639
it's like you know, it's a jungle. It's like you know,

747
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,039
and you can have storms there and flash flooding and

748
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,519
an instant I mean, so who's to say that that

749
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:30,400
didn't happen. Let's just hypothetically speak. Let's just hypothetically speak. Okay,

750
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,559
it's raining and there's a flash flood. Okay, they could

751
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:35,639
have gotten injured that way because some of the bones

752
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,079
were broken. Okay, so this could have caused the painting,

753
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,880
This could have caused the numerous phone calls to General

754
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,440
one and only one of those phone calls connected for

755
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:48,519
two seconds and then it cut off because of the reception.

756
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:54,119
There was no there was no reception, but okay, so

757
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,679
but it still leaves open the fact that somebody had

758
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,960
to have had their phone that wasn't them who was

759
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,159
trying to get into it. And then you know, I

760
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,840
don't know, I just don't know. There's so many what ifs.

761
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 5: That so many what ifs. I mean, like we said earlier,

762
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,880
we're not going to come to an answer on this show.

763
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,840
This show is just to raise awareness, to get more

764
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,000
people talking about it. If enough people talk about it

765
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:33,079
and raise hell about it, maybe we'll get answers. So

766
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,000
we're doing our little part.

767
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:36,199
Speaker 4: We're trying.

768
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,199
Speaker 5: I'd love to go to some of these questions that

769
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,320
we have highlighted. First one going to Goo goo to

770
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,159
ninety nine. Think you think you thank you buddy? That

771
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,119
is mister Gary Blaylock, Mike Wolf. Does anyone find it

772
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:58,039
strange there were other Dutch nationals there at the same time.

773
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: I mean, they could have been in there for the

774
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,639
same reasons that these two girls were. Maybe volunteer opportunities.

775
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know. Is that

776
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:11,440
a tourist destination?

777
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: I think I think it. It does have the touristy

778
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,480
you know thing I mean, because it's it's like a

779
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:20,039
whole other world that you.

780
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,559
Speaker 5: Could experience, yeh, be straight.

781
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:27,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what they were saying on the article

782
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,239
that you played, is you know, there's a lot of

783
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,760
hush hush going on because of the supposed serial killer,

784
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,639
and tourists aren't going to want to come and do

785
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,440
everything gets swept under the rug.

786
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, Miss Chris Blaylock. Why would her foot bone still

787
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,400
be in her boot? Was that her foot bone? Or

788
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:50,039
was it her foot? Was it the foot?

789
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,679
Speaker 4: It was who from ankle to two?

790
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 5: It was like push and everything.

791
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 4: Yes, because they did upon you know, looking through you know,

792
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,639
throughout the area.

793
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.

794
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 4: There were pieces of flesh that were found. Some of

795
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,000
them were the sands and some of them were chrises.

796
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:19,480
But yes, it was our whole foot.

797
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:27,679
Speaker 5: So flesh and everything. Yes, Yeah, I don't know real quick,

798
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:33,320
my good buddy, Miss Crystal Blevins became a po freak tonight.

799
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,440
Thank you very very very very much, ma'am. Thank you

800
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:42,039
glad to have you. Mike Wolf. Did they check that

801
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,920
tour guide's basement for an operating room? Might be selling

802
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,519
off body parts. I might watch so many horror movies,

803
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:53,480
but I mean it happens. I mean people sell off

804
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,039
body parts at organs and.

805
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,159
Speaker 4: Shit black market man kidneys, livers, spleens.

806
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 5: But to answer your question, No, I don't know what

807
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:07,119
was checked. I'm sure the authorities looked into him. I

808
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:14,039
would hope anyway, Alex, are they just throwing the word

809
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:18,400
cannibal out there or are they actually cannibals out there?

810
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,320
Great question. I don't know.

811
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that either. I don't know if

812
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:27,159
there's actually because I was like, you know me, I

813
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,719
was like digging into like the dark side of this,

814
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,960
not the you know what. When you're a researcher, you

815
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,519
have to look at everything, right, So I was like,

816
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:41,719
what kricktens being them on?

817
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 5: All right, Alex, again, this is what we just talked about.

818
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,000
That her foot was cut off, like bone was cut

819
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,280
or was there meat on the foot bone while other

820
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,840
bones are meat free and bleached. That's the same question,

821
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:01,239
had Alex. I don't know.

822
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lessan's foot was in her boot and it did

823
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,119
half pieces of flesh on it. It was like it

824
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:13,039
was cut from the ankle. And then I think I

825
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,679
think the rest of it were just bones that they found.

826
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:22,679
Speaker 5: Crystal says, let her freak flag fly. That's why Ram fly.

827
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,559
We are glad to have you all right, real quick,

828
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,199
I do, Oh my gosh, this is a new one.

829
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,960
But you guys have been showing up and showing out

830
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,639
tonight since we talked about our good friend Chris hitting

831
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:46,159
us with a hondo. Uh. Joe Pat hit us with fifteen.

832
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 4: Oh thank you.

833
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:54,199
Speaker 5: Our brand new member Stormy Stormy hit us with.

834
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: Twenty Oh thank you, Stormy.

835
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:03,199
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, and I were awesome, awesomebody. Mister

836
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,400
Troy hit us with another fitty.

837
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 4: Oh thank you'all. You're so cool.

838
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so very much. You are helping us

839
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:18,199
out in ways that you just cannot know. We appreciate

840
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,280
it so much. We love y'all very much.

841
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: Yes, now, can we talk about the resolves that we

842
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,760
have made as the dynamic duo for next year?

843
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 5: We're talking about you don't play dumb. I wasn't paying

844
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,719
attention to hit again.

845
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,599
Speaker 4: I said, can we talk about what we're playing in

846
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:42,480
for next year?

847
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 5: Yes? Yes, go ahead, go ahead.

848
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 4: Okay, So all right, so we were going through our

849
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,079
shows and you know, you know, we were just kind of,

850
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,679
you know, messioned minds and thoughts, and you know, we

851
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:57,920
were looking back at the beginning of this year and

852
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,000
the amount of shows and it just kind of dwindled down.

853
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:04,119
Now I had all that happen in November and I

854
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:07,159
could not mentally do one hundred and ten percent like

855
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,760
I normally do. And then we were sicking in December,

856
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,400
and then Wayne was out of town, so we only

857
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,079
did four shows in December, and I was like, that's crap.

858
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,960
We can't do that to our people. So we sat

859
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,239
down and we talked, and what we are planning to

860
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,159
do is we are wanting to do six to eight

861
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:34,280
shows every month and then two eight shows, Yes, six

862
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,320
to eight live shows every month, and then two members

863
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,840
only per month, as well as doing the side episodes

864
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:49,360
of Spooky Sundays and the Missing Persons, and we are

865
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,840
working on another giveaway.

866
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 5: Yeah for our members. Yes, we are very, very very

867
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:02,800
excited about that New Year's resolutions that we have come

868
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,760
up with. So again we are wanting for starting January first,

869
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,880
moving forward, six to eight live shows a month, at

870
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,880
least two members only live shows every month, and we

871
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:26,920
are planning a new giveaway Alex says, best dollar ninety nine. Ever,

872
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:32,679
I agree with you so much, buddy. Let's see what

873
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,559
ghost Bate says, add in a live paranormal we can

874
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:37,000
do that.

875
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,679
Speaker 4: We can do that, and that's I was muted. So

876
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,119
I was excited, and nobody heard how excited that was.

877
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 5: Christa and I have been talking behind scenes about doing

878
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:54,400
her taking me on my very first paranormal investigations, and

879
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,679
we have worn out some places and we've come up

880
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:02,159
with the idea of Corpsewood Manor in Georgia, North Georgia.

881
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,920
So I think we're going to do that and we

882
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,639
we may as well film it and thank you if

883
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:09,280
we can.

884
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 4: I think you should. And Alex said that he would

885
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,440
make a donation for they give away.

886
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: Okay, awesome, let me know what you got, Alex.

887
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I talked to Zach about this.

888
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 5: Wayne is going no, Ruby, Ruby has a home right here.

889
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,039
Ruby is not going anywhere. But thank you, mister Robert.

890
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,840
I love you, buddy.

891
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 4: So what I was saying before Wayne had a freak

892
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,239
out is that I had talked to Zach about it,

893
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,559
and you know, all this fun stuff happens away from

894
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,800
where I am. Okay, I'm in Virginia. Wayne's in Tennessee.

895
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,239
All of our members are like right here together, and

896
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,039
I'm like way over here. So I am planning on

897
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:03,519
traveling more to be a part of things that you

898
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:05,480
guys have going on in Tennessee.

899
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 5: Here, you sign you up, We'll get you set up

900
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,880
for a member of Manimal Research.

901
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 4: I'm just saying. So there's a lot of a lot

902
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,960
of cool things that are gonna start happening in twenty

903
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:22,400
twenty five, and I'm so stoked about it.

904
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 5: Joe Pat, why are you calling me out? Dude.

905
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:28,639
Speaker 4: He's not wrong.

906
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 5: He's not wrong at all. That's what Crystal Blevin is

907
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,400
trying to get me out of because she ain't afraid

908
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,599
of shit. Go out here.

909
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 4: He ain't wrong, it would be. Yeah, It's just a

910
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,159
lot of cool stuff, and I'm so excited. I was

911
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:51,800
so excited to be able to come on tonight and

912
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,280
tell you guys, and you know, be like, hey, look,

913
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,159
this is really cool. This is what we're gonna do.

914
00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,639
So and be waiting for the next instance have spooky

915
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,360
Sundays because that was recorded today.

916
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,599
Speaker 5: Yes it was. It will be released by a podcast

917
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,679
probably tomorrow. I'm gonna do my best to get it

918
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:16,719
out tomorrow. But yeah, all of that said, we just

919
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,280
got a few days left in four We will see

920
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,199
you all again before the end of the year, yes,

921
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,000
but we just want to talk a little bit about

922
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,440
next year.

923
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:27,239
Speaker 1: Yep.

924
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 4: And we're already I mean talking about next year, talking

925
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,199
about January. I mean, I have two on the calendar

926
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,960
already working on the third, so we're getting them.

927
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 6: All right.

928
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 5: All right, let's get out of here, madam say you're

929
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,639
good beast.

930
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,119
Speaker 4: Thank you all again for your support and for your

931
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,800
cash apps and your venmos and your everything, because we

932
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,440
can't we can't do what we do without you. I mean,

933
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,320
we would just fall apart. So I appreciate you so

934
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,239
much and all that you do and for all the

935
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,800
love and support that you show us. And yeah, we'll

936
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:09,639
see you next time.

937
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:13,719
Speaker 5: You guys are loved so so much more than you know.

938
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:18,199
You are appreciated so much more than you know. Thank

939
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,719
you everyone that is able to help, and that does

940
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,639
everyone that's not, We understand, and we love you. Just

941
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:31,760
being here is enough. We appreciate that. Please tell everyone

942
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,039
about the show and the best thing you can do

943
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:38,880
to help us if you want help us grow the

944
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,320
show now share it, tell everybody about it, tell them

945
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,880
how much fun you have while you're here, and just

946
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,159
help us keep growing. That will be the best thing

947
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:53,079
you can do for us. But until we talk again,

948
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,039
y'all take care of yourselves, take care of each other.

949
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:03,119
Bye bye, Hey, guys, thanks so very much for checking

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out this episode of Paranormal Odyssey. Love you guys so

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much all the continued support. I want to ask everyone

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please take just a second, go rate and review the

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show wherever it is you get your podcasts. I also

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like to remind everyone about Paranormal Odyssey Live, which can

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be found every Tuesday evening eight pm over on YouTube,

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as well as every other Saturday Tiffany and I do

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and after our show at ten pm over on YouTube. Guys,

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please go check that out hit that subscribe button if

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you are new over there. We would appreciate that so much. Also, guys,

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if you would please head over and check out our website,

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Paranormalworldproductions dot com. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 8: Guys, they say you don't gotta go, but your causday

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and I don't want to feel world of its statiste.

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Speaker 6: Chop this chop that chid.

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Speaker 8: Everything came right back ride back joy for me, need enjoy.

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Speaker 6: Staying right come it right away. Stasst ssssssssstists games stssssssst

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used us