Speaker 1: I would say on average, we're looking at seventy to
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the show is aliens, mysteries, secrets. It
Speaker 1: sounds as though somebody's cooking in a stove. Are you
Speaker 1: cooking on a stove, Eddie. I'm here like a lot
Speaker 1: of metal. I don't know why I'm hearing metal slamming
Speaker 1: against a stove. I'm hearing bumping around. It's uh, maybe
Speaker 1: it's coming from Zoro Ranch where they're cooking Zoro. Maybe absolutely,
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where they're cooking people and that's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah, good evening, Walder, good morning.
Speaker 1: You sound like doctor Sky's son.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he'd appreciate that. Oh yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: that could be. I would be about that. I think.
Speaker 1: I think if we were smart, you would perpetuate that rumor.
Speaker 2: I think that's what you might get him into trouble.
Speaker 1: No, no, won't get him into You're in the same geography,
Speaker 1: You're in the same general geography and the minds of
Speaker 1: people from the Northeast. You're, in fact, in exactly the
Speaker 1: same place in the minds of people in the Northeast,
Speaker 1: and you both of you have only one body of knowledge.
Speaker 1: Oh there's another phone call that's gonna go away, and
Speaker 1: we we you have the same body of knowledge. You
Speaker 1: really can't talk about anything else except this stuff, and
Speaker 1: you have a similar passion.
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm very passionate about this. You know
Speaker 2: what drives all of that. And I think it's important
Speaker 2: to note that we spend in an ordinate amount of
Speaker 2: time looking at things and try to discern whether or
Speaker 2: not they're true or not true. And it's my job
Speaker 2: this evening and any evening that I'm here with you, Walter,
Speaker 2: to talk about the mysteries, right, that just perpetuate themselves,
Speaker 2: and we try to figure out exactly what is and
Speaker 2: exactly is yet another example of that with Madeline McCann
Speaker 2: and six years ago, I think in all of this,
Speaker 2: Madeleine McCann is the young three year old who disappeared
Speaker 2: in Portugal. This was, you know, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Hard to believe it's, you know, this long ago, but
Speaker 2: it is. It's been a good seventeen years. And go
Speaker 2: back to mayther two thousand and seven, a resort on
Speaker 2: the Portuguese coast called Pria de Luce. Right, Mom and
Speaker 2: Dad walked down to the tapas bar and joined themselves
Speaker 2: for dinner. The kids are asleep, kids plural, back at
Speaker 2: the apartment about eighty feet away or excuse me, eighty
Speaker 2: meters away, I should say, not feet. They come back
Speaker 2: to check and the bed is empty. Three year old
Speaker 2: little girl Madeline is gone. Nobody's been charged. Nineteen years later,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is incredible.
Speaker 1: That is incredible. And what tell us if you remember
Speaker 1: what happened exactly when they discovered that little girl was missing.
Speaker 2: Well, you go and you look at them going back
Speaker 2: after dinner to go check. They went in shifts and
Speaker 2: find it that she was gone, and she's there with
Speaker 2: her two siblings in the room in the initial check,
Speaker 2: and then the second go around she is not there.
Speaker 2: It's incredible because they were so close, so immediately adjacent.
Speaker 2: They're drinking, they're having fun at the wine bar. And
Speaker 2: once that happens, the Portuguese police are immediately notified, and
Speaker 2: it's a whole system, the whole investigation that gets fouled up.
Speaker 2: It just feels as if something has gone wrong, not
Speaker 2: just with the McCanns, but also the police department, and
Speaker 2: they can't really figure out, you know, how this little
Speaker 2: girl is. You know automatically missing. So here we are
Speaker 2: nineteen years later. I don't want to recant every detail
Speaker 2: about that evening because so much of it has become murky,
Speaker 2: is especially the thirteen years where nobody which was even
Speaker 2: a suspect. And you fast forward to June of twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: a prosecutor in the German city of Brunswick, Hans Christian Wolters,
Speaker 2: steps up to a microphone and drops a bomb out
Speaker 2: of nowhere. No one's expecting this, and he finally says,
Speaker 2: after all this out of nowhere, we have a suspect, right,
Speaker 2: and we know that madel mccannon is dead and we
Speaker 2: know who killed her. The name of the man is
Speaker 2: Christian Bruckner Okay or Bruckner forty nine years old today
Speaker 2: Okay German national convicted rapist, convicted pedophile, was living about
Speaker 2: a mile from the MCCA apartment in the Old Garb
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven in a camper van, running drugs. Okay,
Speaker 2: up to no good essentially all right, So here's this
Speaker 2: piece that put him at the top of the list.
Speaker 2: And on the night that Madeline vanished, a cell phone
Speaker 2: linked to him ping the tower, as often happens in
Speaker 2: many of these investigations, but ping the tower serving the
Speaker 2: Ocean Club resort where they were staying. The next day
Speaker 2: he de registers one of his cars. His Jaguar was
Speaker 2: reregistered to a new owner within twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Who was Wait one second, do you know who the
Speaker 1: new owner was?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Could it have been an accomplice or was it just
Speaker 1: a sale?
Speaker 2: I think it was just a sale. The speed of
Speaker 2: it all is what's very suspect not to mention in
Speaker 2: a camper van. Yeah, so Wolters, the prosecutor. Wolters told
Speaker 2: the BBC back in December of twenty twenty six months
Speaker 2: after all this quote says, if you knew the evidence
Speaker 2: we had, you would come to the same conclusion that
Speaker 2: I do. What you have what evidence? Six years later,
Speaker 2: we still don't know what most of the evidence is.
Speaker 2: He says he's holding it back for tactical reasons. But
Speaker 2: here's what is on the public record. So two witnesses,
Speaker 2: Witness number one Helge Bushing, ran with Bruckner in the
Speaker 2: algav drug scene, told German investigators that at like a
Speaker 2: musical festival in Spain when you're after medaline vanished. Bruckner
Speaker 2: said of her quote she didn't scream bushing is in
Speaker 2: the German Witness Protection even today, just for that witness
Speaker 2: number two. I hope I pronounced this name correctly. Natschke
Speaker 2: Miftari seventeen years old when she met Bruckner back in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. He was more than double her age, running
Speaker 2: a candy kiosk in Brunswick. She was with him about
Speaker 2: a year and this is what she told the German
Speaker 2: police later, early twenty fourteen party at their flat, guests
Speaker 2: asked Ructor about the mechanic caase, he goes silent, guest leave,
Speaker 2: She presses him, and here word forward is what she says.
Speaker 2: He told her I know about Maddie. I was near
Speaker 2: the hotel at the time. I was living in the
Speaker 2: area at the time. I'm not going to say anything more.
Speaker 2: I'm not a stupid guy.
Speaker 1: I am a businessman, a businessman, a business I had
Speaker 1: not a monkey I'm what monkey business is that.
Speaker 2: I'm a businessman. So yeah. A year into the relationship,
Speaker 2: she says she found child sexual abuse material on his laptop,
Speaker 2: confronted him, He beats her, She falls down the stairs.
Speaker 2: Police raided the hireflat recovered get this Walter three hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety one child abuse photographs in sixty eight videos,
Speaker 2: including footage of him abusing a previous girlfriend's five year
Speaker 2: old daughter. That is the Man German prosecutors say took
Speaker 2: madel to McCann So so why isn't he in a
Speaker 2: cell tonight? Well, Bruckner goes Becka. In twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: he goes on trial in Brunsnick, but not for Madeline,
Speaker 2: for other unrelated sex offenses. I think there was four
Speaker 2: or five of them, allegedly all committed in particle between
Speaker 2: two thousand and twenty seventeen, same time frame, different victims
Speaker 2: and prosecutors want fifteen years. Fast forward to about October
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. A judge acquits him on all
Speaker 2: five of those accounts, says the evidence is insufficient, so
Speaker 2: that verdict has nothing to do with a mccannic case.
Speaker 2: But the timing is really devastating in all of this,
Speaker 2: particularly since the lead investigator says in all of this
Speaker 2: that if you knew, we knew, you would basically be
Speaker 2: able to convict him, but yet has still yet to
Speaker 2: come forward with it, because Brookner was already finishing a
Speaker 2: seven year sentence for a two thousand and five rape
Speaker 2: of a seventy two year old American tourist in the
Speaker 2: same exact place prior don't lose Portugal one mile from
Speaker 2: more Matteline Vanish and that sentence ends last year September
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, so prosecutors race the clock. They file
Speaker 2: a garrant appeal. In all this, an anonymous woman shows up,
Speaker 2: pays off Bruckner's finds money that could have been held
Speaker 2: in past January, and the Germans lose all. The prosecutors
Speaker 2: lose all their fallback on all this. So after that
Speaker 2: happens in the prison in northern Germany, a black cowardy
Speaker 2: drives out. Christian Bruckner is now a free man, so
Speaker 2: fitted with an electronic ankle moditor, now two officers basically
Speaker 2: assigned to protect him. He gets death threats. Now he's
Speaker 2: turning into the victims. For weeks he slept in a
Speaker 2: public park in the city of a German city, Okay,
Speaker 2: and now just six months ago in February of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, he has now moved into social housing, reportedly
Speaker 2: a flat near a school, which has now caused another
Speaker 2: round of local protests where they will not let him
Speaker 2: sleep even tonight, and that's exactly where he is. Here's
Speaker 2: where these investigations stand as of two day, okay, and
Speaker 2: it's all over TikTok. It's all over everywhere. In fact,
Speaker 2: there's a woman claiming to say that she is then ascann.
Speaker 1: If it's all over TikTok, it must be true.
Speaker 2: Well that's my job, Walters, the figure out what is
Speaker 2: and what isn't, because you gotta you know, everyone's looking
Speaker 2: to see how they can sort of get some sort
Speaker 2: of attention. So the prosecutor Walters says that he remains
Speaker 2: quote not just our number one suspect, but he's our
Speaker 2: only suspect. Okay. In Britain Scotland yards Operation Grange is
Speaker 2: now still open. In all of this, they have got
Speaker 2: three full time officers on this. And here's the part
Speaker 2: that kind of makes me crazy. The Brits, where the
Speaker 2: McCanns are from, are still officially calling this a missing
Speaker 2: person inquiry. So it's a murder in Germany and in
Speaker 2: Britain they're calling it a missing person not a homicide.
Speaker 2: Same case, two different classifications, two different countries. And back
Speaker 2: where this all happened in Portugal, all right, he was
Speaker 2: a formal suspect since April of twenty twenty two. A
Speaker 2: German Portuguese search of the farm buildings this is the
Speaker 2: big part near prior to Louse, was conducted just this
Speaker 2: past June. Nothing publicly announced, but they dug up everything everything.
Speaker 2: Yet we have no information as to actually as what happened.
Speaker 2: So the federal prosecutor back in Germany filed a forty
Speaker 2: four page report in the Federal Court of Justice asking
Speaker 2: the High Court to quash the twenty twenty four acquittal
Speaker 2: and reopened the case, and that pealed right as of today,
Speaker 2: is still pending. That's where we are.
Speaker 1: We have three different jurisdictions, three different countries, filing three
Speaker 1: different sets of charges with three different consequences.
Speaker 2: Is that right, that's correct? Yeah, I mean nineteen years
Speaker 2: really no suspect other than him. You have all sorts
Speaker 2: of money that's been paid, and a man in Germany's
Speaker 2: that they called the killer of her, essentially well known.
Speaker 2: He can't even rest, there's protests, he can't sleep anywhere,
Speaker 2: he goes like he is constantly being berated by the public.
Speaker 2: And then you have Kate and Jerry mccannon sending out
Speaker 2: messages annually every New Year's basically saying the ongoing search
Speaker 2: and quest for knowledge and justice has not stopped and
Speaker 2: is far from over. We're two decades into this, Walter,
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about it, and nothing is getting done now.
Speaker 1: Right when that kid disappeared and they realized the kid disappeared,
Speaker 1: Is it true the mother said they got her.
Speaker 2: There's many things. She wrote a book and there are
Speaker 2: many different quotes. I don't know that she said that specifically. Okay,
Speaker 2: I know that she was considered along with her husband
Speaker 2: for the shortest time upfront and then dismissed as a suspect.
Speaker 2: Her and her husband were both implicated. So but that
Speaker 2: all washed out. Well.
Speaker 1: It is the ultimate parent nightmare that you go out
Speaker 1: for a couple hours of relaxation, you make the mistake
Speaker 1: of leaving your kids without a babysitter, even though the
Speaker 1: hotel had free babysitters, volunteered babysitters, and they left without
Speaker 1: a babysitter. So there's a guilt level number one. Then
Speaker 1: you come home and there's no babysitter. That is the
Speaker 1: ultimate health for any parent, especially when you've got a
Speaker 1: kid that young, that defenseless, and you and I have
Speaker 1: more to discuss. Stand by Ross Walter Sterling with Ross Coulthard,
Speaker 1: who's a great broadcaster, journalist, investigator, a man of mystery
Speaker 1: in New Mexico near the Zoro Ranch. Couldn't be better positioned,
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Speaker 2: Other side of the money.
Speaker 1: That's a jingle we had made just for you, Eddie.
Speaker 1: I help you appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate it, Walter, I appreciate all that very much. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about the show is all
Speaker 2: the the intros and the swinging songs that are.
Speaker 1: William, why don't you cue that up again and play
Speaker 1: that whenever you can play it again? Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to hear that again. The money, and doesn't it make
Speaker 1: you beg the question as to why other talk shows
Speaker 1: don't overproduce the way we do doesn't Isn't that a chance?
Speaker 1: Isn't that one of the great mysteries as to why
Speaker 1: they care so little about their audience that they don't
Speaker 1: produce the show, that they don't prep.
Speaker 2: The show the money. You've keeping it fresh, that's what
Speaker 2: you do, Wald, Yeah, I mean I think that's what
Speaker 2: you and your producers are doing, and there's always some
Speaker 2: something new. I have to tell you that my young
Speaker 2: children enjoy it very much.
Speaker 1: How old are those children? Uh?
Speaker 2: I love it in fourteen.
Speaker 1: You are a busy guy.
Speaker 2: I am. You are a busy guy.
Speaker 1: Do you have any other Do you have another mystery
Speaker 1: you'd like to discuss with us tonight? Because you're in
Speaker 1: rare form and I respect you.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yes, I do want to talk about a
Speaker 2: lot of New Mexico stuff that is here, because there's
Speaker 2: so much here. I don't have one on the ready. Also,
Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch is something that I have been delving into
Speaker 2: again this week.
Speaker 1: Have you been there?
Speaker 2: It's funny that you should ask. Yeah, in Utah, I
Speaker 2: have driven past there, but I have not been on
Speaker 2: the ranch. And you cannot get on the ranch. That
Speaker 2: is one of the things that How big is that ranch?
Speaker 2: How big is that?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 2: I don't know how large? Probably i'd probably a section,
Speaker 2: I would say, I mean it's it's pretty large section
Speaker 2: in real estate terms, thirty six square miles, so that's
Speaker 2: pretty Excuse me, that would be a square mile. Excuse me.
Speaker 2: That township would be thirty six.
Speaker 1: It's pretty big. Yeah, And anymore out of a Zoro ranch,
Speaker 1: any more meals any more meals out of Zoral ranch.
Speaker 2: Not today, not to night to night. Unfortunately, it's very
Speaker 2: quiet here. The Truth Commissions doing their investigation. One of
Speaker 2: the things that we talked about some weeks ago that's
Speaker 2: getting some new attention is the massacre that happened in
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Nevada and Route ninety one back on October
Speaker 2: first of twenty seventeen. That is definitely hot. And of
Speaker 2: course Charlie kirk Man I recently returned from Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: I'll be there again very soon, as soon as next
Speaker 2: week at the orm Utah Utah Valley at University. That
Speaker 2: has just gone explosive. You want to talk about one
Speaker 2: of the most talked about, bounced around things that no
Speaker 2: one's taking the official story on, that would be the
Speaker 2: Charlie kirk thing on the daily. There's new information that's
Speaker 2: come out and I'll be touching upon that again. Also,
Speaker 2: this Russian radio that is constantly transmitting recently shut off
Speaker 2: and then came back on. And with all the consternation
Speaker 2: that's going on in Ukraine, conflict in the Middle East
Speaker 2: with Iran, in Israel. The fact that that recently changes
Speaker 2: something else that I'm also going to touch upon. So
Speaker 2: lots of mystery, mystery morning coming.
Speaker 1: Out, many mysteries of the morning, many jingles about mysteries.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at Skinwalker Ranch, the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Speaker 1: And what was the last thing you mentioned.
Speaker 2: Rute ninety one, ninety one October first, Yeah, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: and I, of course.
Speaker 1: Where you and I realized that it was impossible for
Speaker 1: one gunman to have killed that many people in that
Speaker 1: short time. And then, mysteriously, his brother, who was going
Speaker 1: to explain there was no way his brother could do it,
Speaker 1: he got arrested for having child pornography, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: we will find out was planted in his home. All right,
Speaker 1: Happy the next day, by the way, say it again.
Speaker 1: The next day it was found. Amazing, you know, amazing, uncanny, uncanny,
Speaker 1: the coincidences. It's funny how this stuff happens. But tell
Speaker 1: me about you, of course, tell me about your radio station.
Speaker 1: Promote your radio.
Speaker 2: Yeah a rockoftalk dot com is the website. Click on there.
Speaker 2: There's lots of information there on Zoa Ranch, so you
Speaker 2: can precede you can shoot me an email, which some
Speaker 2: of you did last night, which was pretty good both
Speaker 2: on Axon you know, the the body cameras and as
Speaker 2: well as the flock cameras which all continue to follow up.
Speaker 2: That's also very you know, hot to the touch. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you can catch me on the local station here in
Speaker 2: New Mexico AM sixteen hundred K I v A the Kiva.
Speaker 1: And what's your email that they got in touch with
Speaker 1: you on? What was the email?
Speaker 2: I just got a rockoftalk dot com and you can
Speaker 2: contact me any number of ways, and said, just from
Speaker 2: last night alone Walter on the Axon camera, seventeen different
Speaker 2: emails and inquiries about what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. That's what the advertiser needs to know.
Speaker 1: Look at the response that this show gets. Its un
Speaker 1: believable Ross Ross, Oh my god, Eddie Ragan, thank you
Speaker 1: for being on the other side of Midnight. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much.