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<v Speaker 1>I would say on average, we're looking at seventy to

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<v Speaker 1>eighty percent of the show is aliens, mysteries, secrets. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds as though somebody's cooking in a stove. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>cooking on a stove, Eddie. I'm here like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of metal. I don't know why I'm hearing metal slamming

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<v Speaker 1>against a stove. I'm hearing bumping around. It's uh, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming from Zoro Ranch where they're cooking Zoro. Maybe absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's where they're cooking people and that's what I'm hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe. Yeah, good evening, Walder, good morning.

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<v Speaker 1>You sound like doctor Sky's son.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he'd appreciate that. Oh yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that could be. I would be about that. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if we were smart, you would perpetuate that rumor.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what you might get him into trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, won't get him into You're in the same geography,

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<v Speaker 1>You're in the same general geography and the minds of

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<v Speaker 1>people from the Northeast. You're, in fact, in exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same place in the minds of people in the Northeast,

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<v Speaker 1>and you both of you have only one body of knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's another phone call that's gonna go away, and

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<v Speaker 1>we we you have the same body of knowledge. You

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<v Speaker 1>really can't talk about anything else except this stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>you have a similar passion.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, I'm very passionate about this. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what drives all of that. And I think it's important

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<v Speaker 2>to note that we spend in an ordinate amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time looking at things and try to discern whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not they're true or not true. And it's my job

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<v Speaker 2>this evening and any evening that I'm here with you, Walter,

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the mysteries, right, that just perpetuate themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>and we try to figure out exactly what is and

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<v Speaker 2>exactly is yet another example of that with Madeline McCann

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<v Speaker 2>and six years ago, I think in all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>Madeleine McCann is the young three year old who disappeared

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<v Speaker 2>in Portugal. This was, you know, two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to believe it's, you know, this long ago, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It's been a good seventeen years. And go

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<v Speaker 2>back to mayther two thousand and seven, a resort on

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<v Speaker 2>the Portuguese coast called Pria de Luce. Right, Mom and

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<v Speaker 2>Dad walked down to the tapas bar and joined themselves

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<v Speaker 2>for dinner. The kids are asleep, kids plural, back at

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<v Speaker 2>the apartment about eighty feet away or excuse me, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>meters away, I should say, not feet. They come back

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<v Speaker 2>to check and the bed is empty. Three year old

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<v Speaker 2>little girl Madeline is gone. Nobody's been charged. Nineteen years later,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredible. And what tell us if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>what happened exactly when they discovered that little girl was missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you go and you look at them going back

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<v Speaker 2>after dinner to go check. They went in shifts and

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<v Speaker 2>find it that she was gone, and she's there with

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<v Speaker 2>her two siblings in the room in the initial check,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the second go around she is not there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible because they were so close, so immediately adjacent.

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<v Speaker 2>They're drinking, they're having fun at the wine bar. And

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<v Speaker 2>once that happens, the Portuguese police are immediately notified, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a whole system, the whole investigation that gets fouled up.

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<v Speaker 2>It just feels as if something has gone wrong, not

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<v Speaker 2>just with the McCanns, but also the police department, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can't really figure out, you know, how this little

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<v Speaker 2>girl is. You know automatically missing. So here we are

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen years later. I don't want to recant every detail

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<v Speaker 2>about that evening because so much of it has become murky,

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<v Speaker 2>is especially the thirteen years where nobody which was even

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<v Speaker 2>a suspect. And you fast forward to June of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>a prosecutor in the German city of Brunswick, Hans Christian Wolters,

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<v Speaker 2>steps up to a microphone and drops a bomb out

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere. No one's expecting this, and he finally says,

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<v Speaker 2>after all this out of nowhere, we have a suspect, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know that madel mccannon is dead and we

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<v Speaker 2>know who killed her. The name of the man is

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Bruckner Okay or Bruckner forty nine years old today

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<v Speaker 2>Okay German national convicted rapist, convicted pedophile, was living about

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<v Speaker 2>a mile from the MCCA apartment in the Old Garb

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and seven in a camper van, running drugs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>up to no good essentially all right, So here's this

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<v Speaker 2>piece that put him at the top of the list.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the night that Madeline vanished, a cell phone

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<v Speaker 2>linked to him ping the tower, as often happens in

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<v Speaker 2>many of these investigations, but ping the tower serving the

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<v Speaker 2>Ocean Club resort where they were staying. The next day

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<v Speaker 2>he de registers one of his cars. His Jaguar was

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<v Speaker 2>reregistered to a new owner within twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was Wait one second, do you know who the

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<v Speaker 1>new owner was?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Could it have been an accomplice or was it just

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<v Speaker 1>a sale?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was just a sale. The speed of

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<v Speaker 2>it all is what's very suspect not to mention in

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<v Speaker 2>a camper van. Yeah, so Wolters, the prosecutor. Wolters told

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<v Speaker 2>the BBC back in December of twenty twenty six months

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<v Speaker 2>after all this quote says, if you knew the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>we had, you would come to the same conclusion that

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<v Speaker 2>I do. What you have what evidence? Six years later,

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<v Speaker 2>we still don't know what most of the evidence is.

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<v Speaker 2>He says he's holding it back for tactical reasons. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's what is on the public record. So two witnesses,

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<v Speaker 2>Witness number one Helge Bushing, ran with Bruckner in the

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<v Speaker 2>algav drug scene, told German investigators that at like a

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<v Speaker 2>musical festival in Spain when you're after medaline vanished. Bruckner

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<v Speaker 2>said of her quote she didn't scream bushing is in

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<v Speaker 2>the German Witness Protection even today, just for that witness

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<v Speaker 2>number two. I hope I pronounced this name correctly. Natschke

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<v Speaker 2>Miftari seventeen years old when she met Bruckner back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen. He was more than double her age, running

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<v Speaker 2>a candy kiosk in Brunswick. She was with him about

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<v Speaker 2>a year and this is what she told the German

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<v Speaker 2>police later, early twenty fourteen party at their flat, guests

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<v Speaker 2>asked Ructor about the mechanic caase, he goes silent, guest leave,

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<v Speaker 2>She presses him, and here word forward is what she says.

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<v Speaker 2>He told her I know about Maddie. I was near

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel at the time. I was living in the

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<v Speaker 2>area at the time. I'm not going to say anything more.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a stupid guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a businessman, a businessman, a business I had

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<v Speaker 1>not a monkey I'm what monkey business is that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a businessman. So yeah. A year into the relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>she says she found child sexual abuse material on his laptop,

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<v Speaker 2>confronted him, He beats her, She falls down the stairs.

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<v Speaker 2>Police raided the hireflat recovered get this Walter three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety one child abuse photographs in sixty eight videos,

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<v Speaker 2>including footage of him abusing a previous girlfriend's five year

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<v Speaker 2>old daughter. That is the Man German prosecutors say took

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<v Speaker 2>madel to McCann So so why isn't he in a

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<v Speaker 2>cell tonight? Well, Bruckner goes Becka. In twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes on trial in Brunsnick, but not for Madeline,

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<v Speaker 2>for other unrelated sex offenses. I think there was four

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<v Speaker 2>or five of them, allegedly all committed in particle between

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and twenty seventeen, same time frame, different victims

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<v Speaker 2>and prosecutors want fifteen years. Fast forward to about October

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four. A judge acquits him on all

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<v Speaker 2>five of those accounts, says the evidence is insufficient, so

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<v Speaker 2>that verdict has nothing to do with a mccannic case.

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<v Speaker 2>But the timing is really devastating in all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly since the lead investigator says in all of this

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<v Speaker 2>that if you knew, we knew, you would basically be

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<v Speaker 2>able to convict him, but yet has still yet to

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<v Speaker 2>come forward with it, because Brookner was already finishing a

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<v Speaker 2>seven year sentence for a two thousand and five rape

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<v Speaker 2>of a seventy two year old American tourist in the

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<v Speaker 2>same exact place prior don't lose Portugal one mile from

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<v Speaker 2>more Matteline Vanish and that sentence ends last year September

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, so prosecutors race the clock. They file

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<v Speaker 2>a garrant appeal. In all this, an anonymous woman shows up,

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<v Speaker 2>pays off Bruckner's finds money that could have been held

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<v Speaker 2>in past January, and the Germans lose all. The prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>lose all their fallback on all this. So after that

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<v Speaker 2>happens in the prison in northern Germany, a black cowardy

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<v Speaker 2>drives out. Christian Bruckner is now a free man, so

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<v Speaker 2>fitted with an electronic ankle moditor, now two officers basically

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<v Speaker 2>assigned to protect him. He gets death threats. Now he's

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<v Speaker 2>turning into the victims. For weeks he slept in a

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<v Speaker 2>public park in the city of a German city, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and now just six months ago in February of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six, he has now moved into social housing, reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>a flat near a school, which has now caused another

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<v Speaker 2>round of local protests where they will not let him

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<v Speaker 2>sleep even tonight, and that's exactly where he is. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>where these investigations stand as of two day, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's all over TikTok. It's all over everywhere. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a woman claiming to say that she is then ascann.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's all over TikTok, it must be true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's my job, Walters, the figure out what is

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<v Speaker 2>and what isn't, because you gotta you know, everyone's looking

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<v Speaker 2>to see how they can sort of get some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of attention. So the prosecutor Walters says that he remains

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<v Speaker 2>quote not just our number one suspect, but he's our

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<v Speaker 2>only suspect. Okay. In Britain Scotland yards Operation Grange is

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<v Speaker 2>now still open. In all of this, they have got

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<v Speaker 2>three full time officers on this. And here's the part

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of makes me crazy. The Brits, where the

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<v Speaker 2>McCanns are from, are still officially calling this a missing

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<v Speaker 2>person inquiry. So it's a murder in Germany and in

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<v Speaker 2>Britain they're calling it a missing person not a homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Same case, two different classifications, two different countries. And back

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<v Speaker 2>where this all happened in Portugal, all right, he was

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<v Speaker 2>a formal suspect since April of twenty twenty two. A

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<v Speaker 2>German Portuguese search of the farm buildings this is the

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<v Speaker 2>big part near prior to Louse, was conducted just this

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<v Speaker 2>past June. Nothing publicly announced, but they dug up everything everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet we have no information as to actually as what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So the federal prosecutor back in Germany filed a forty

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<v Speaker 2>four page report in the Federal Court of Justice asking

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<v Speaker 2>the High Court to quash the twenty twenty four acquittal

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<v Speaker 2>and reopened the case, and that pealed right as of today,

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<v Speaker 2>is still pending. That's where we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We have three different jurisdictions, three different countries, filing three

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<v Speaker 1>different sets of charges with three different consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right, that's correct? Yeah, I mean nineteen years

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<v Speaker 2>really no suspect other than him. You have all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of money that's been paid, and a man in Germany's

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<v Speaker 2>that they called the killer of her, essentially well known.

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<v Speaker 2>He can't even rest, there's protests, he can't sleep anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes like he is constantly being berated by the public.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have Kate and Jerry mccannon sending out

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<v Speaker 2>messages annually every New Year's basically saying the ongoing search

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<v Speaker 2>and quest for knowledge and justice has not stopped and

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<v Speaker 2>is far from over. We're two decades into this, Walter,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's talking about it, and nothing is getting done now.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when that kid disappeared and they realized the kid disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>Is it true the mother said they got her.

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<v Speaker 2>There's many things. She wrote a book and there are

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<v Speaker 2>many different quotes. I don't know that she said that specifically. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that she was considered along with her husband

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<v Speaker 2>for the shortest time upfront and then dismissed as a suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and her husband were both implicated. So but that

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<v Speaker 2>all washed out. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the ultimate parent nightmare that you go out

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple hours of relaxation, you make the mistake

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<v Speaker 1>hotel had free babysitters, volunteered babysitters, and they left without

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<v Speaker 1>a babysitter. So there's a guilt level number one. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you come home and there's no babysitter. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate health for any parent, especially when you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>kid that young, that defenseless, and you and I have

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<v Speaker 1>more to discuss. Stand by Ross Walter Sterling with Ross Coulthard,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a great broadcaster, journalist, investigator, a man of mystery

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<v Speaker 1>in New Mexico near the Zoro Ranch. Couldn't be better positioned,

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<v Speaker 1>You really couldn't be. This is the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>Midnight from the Red Apple Audio Network, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other side of the money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a jingle we had made just for you, Eddie.

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<v Speaker 1>I help you appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do appreciate it, Walter, I appreciate all that very much. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite things about the show is all

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<v Speaker 2>the the intros and the swinging songs that are.

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<v Speaker 1>William, why don't you cue that up again and play

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<v Speaker 1>that whenever you can play it again? Okay, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear that again. The money, and doesn't it make

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<v Speaker 1>you beg the question as to why other talk shows

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<v Speaker 1>don't overproduce the way we do doesn't Isn't that a chance?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that one of the great mysteries as to why

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<v Speaker 1>they care so little about their audience that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>produce the show, that they don't prep.

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<v Speaker 2>The show the money. You've keeping it fresh, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you do, Wald, Yeah, I mean I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you and your producers are doing, and there's always some

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<v Speaker 2>something new. I have to tell you that my young

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<v Speaker 1>How old are those children? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>I love it in fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a busy guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I am. You are a busy guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any other Do you have another mystery

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to discuss with us tonight? Because you're in

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<v Speaker 1>rare form and I respect you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Yes, I do want to talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of New Mexico stuff that is here, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much here. I don't have one on the ready. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>Skinwalker Ranch is something that I have been delving into

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<v Speaker 2>again this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been there?

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny that you should ask. Yeah, in Utah, I

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<v Speaker 2>have driven past there, but I have not been on

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<v Speaker 2>the ranch. And you cannot get on the ranch. That

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the things that How big is that ranch?

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<v Speaker 2>How big is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how large? Probably i'd probably a section,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, I mean it's it's pretty large section

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<v Speaker 2>in real estate terms, thirty six square miles, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty Excuse me, that would be a square mile. Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>That township would be thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty big. Yeah, And anymore out of a Zoro ranch,

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<v Speaker 1>any more meals any more meals out of Zoral ranch.

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<v Speaker 2>Not today, not to night to night. Unfortunately, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>quiet here. The Truth Commissions doing their investigation. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we talked about some weeks ago that's

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<v Speaker 2>getting some new attention is the massacre that happened in

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas, Nevada and Route ninety one back on October

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<v Speaker 2>first of twenty seventeen. That is definitely hot. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course Charlie kirk Man I recently returned from Salt Lake City.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be there again very soon, as soon as next

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<v Speaker 2>week at the orm Utah Utah Valley at University. That

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<v Speaker 2>has just gone explosive. You want to talk about one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most talked about, bounced around things that no

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<v Speaker 2>one's taking the official story on, that would be the

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie kirk thing on the daily. There's new information that's

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<v Speaker 2>come out and I'll be touching upon that again. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>this Russian radio that is constantly transmitting recently shut off

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<v Speaker 2>and then came back on. And with all the consternation

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<v Speaker 2>with Iran, in Israel. The fact that that recently changes

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<v Speaker 2>something else that I'm also going to touch upon. So

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<v Speaker 2>lots of mystery, mystery morning coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, many mysteries of the morning, many jingles about mysteries.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're looking at Skinwalker Ranch, the Charlie Kirk assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was the last thing you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Rute ninety one, ninety one October first, Yeah, twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>and I, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you and I realized that it was impossible for

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<v Speaker 1>one gunman to have killed that many people in that

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<v Speaker 1>short time. And then, mysteriously, his brother, who was going

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<v Speaker 1>to explain there was no way his brother could do it,

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<v Speaker 1>he got arrested for having child pornography, which I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>we will find out was planted in his home. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy the next day, by the way, say it again.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day it was found. Amazing, you know, amazing, uncanny, uncanny,

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<v Speaker 1>the coincidences. It's funny how this stuff happens. But tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about you, of course, tell me about your radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>Promote your radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah a rockoftalk dot com is the website. Click on there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of information there on Zoa Ranch, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can precede you can shoot me an email, which some

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<v Speaker 2>of you did last night, which was pretty good both

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<v Speaker 2>on Axon you know, the the body cameras and as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the flock cameras which all continue to follow up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also very you know, hot to the touch. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can catch me on the local station here in

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico AM sixteen hundred K I v A the Kiva.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's your email that they got in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>you on? What was the email?

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<v Speaker 2>I just got a rockoftalk dot com and you can

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<v Speaker 2>contact me any number of ways, and said, just from

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<v Speaker 2>last night alone Walter on the Axon camera, seventeen different

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<v Speaker 2>emails and inquiries about what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen. That's what the advertiser needs to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the response that this show gets. Its un

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<v Speaker 1>believable Ross Ross, Oh my god, Eddie Ragan, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being on the other side of Midnight. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much.