1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,759 Speaker 1: This is that Bigfoot podcast where hoaxes di loud, myths 2 00:00:05,799 --> 00:00:10,160 get crushed and the truth doesn't need permission. We don't 3 00:00:10,279 --> 00:00:14,359 do blurry, we don't do polite. We cut through crap 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,440 and call it like it is. If you're here for 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,640 feel good folklore, keep scrolling. But if you're fed up 6 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:25,079 with the fake and hungry for real answers, let's go 7 00:00:25,679 --> 00:00:30,879 that Bigfoot podcast. We're not just hunting sasquatch. We're breaking 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,240 the illusion wide. 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: Open, doctor Hogan Chirou. I presume what's going on man now? 10 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: Much just hanging in there. It seems like we're going 11 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:49,640 to have a late fire season out here this year. 12 00:00:49,799 --> 00:00:51,960 Hopefully it doesn't keep me from getting in the woods. 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,600 How are you doing? 14 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:55,479 Speaker 2: I am good man, dealing with the insurance company, trying 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,960 to get my seventy five thousand dollars bill, taking care 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,039 of from my surgery up in Pennsylvania. Everything you'd want 17 00:01:01,079 --> 00:01:03,000 to deal with on a random Wednesday morning. 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,719 Speaker 3: It makes update that much more interesting, right. 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like I'm getting humped in so many 20 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:10,760 different ways that I didn't expect when I woke up 21 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:14,079 this morning. Not my favorite way to spend the day, 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,799 but it is what it is, but we're not here 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,680 to talk about that. We're here to talk about Bigfoot. 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,120 We're not going to bore you guys with my horrible 25 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:23,359 seventy five thousand dollars bill. If you would like to 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,120 help contribute to that, you can send me something through paypout. 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,680 And I'm just kidding. We're here to talk about Bigfoot, man, 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,640 let's get into it. Everybody loved the episode that we 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,120 put out last week over here on that Bigfoot podcast 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,439 got some rave reviews from our conversation. I thought it 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,920 was a great conversation. But it doesn't really matter what 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,840 we think. It's all about what you guys think. We 33 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,480 do this show for you, the audience, so we appreciate 34 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:47,879 the feedback and the Apple podcast reviews. If you've not 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,359 done that, you need to do it. We would appreciate 36 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:52,760 a five star rating and a review if you feel 37 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:55,959 so inclined. It literally takes two minutes you do it 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,079 right there on Apple podcast, and it goes a long 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,439 way with helping people find the show. I want more 40 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:02,319 people listening to us, so if you would do that, 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,959 we would appreciate it. It only takes a couple of seconds. 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,959 But enough of that. Let's get into what we're going 43 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:09,599 to talk about today. We've got a couple of things 44 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:11,960 that are on the agenda for us. One thing that 45 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:14,120 I am excited to talk about, and I was glad 46 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,439 to hear that you wanted to talk about, was this 47 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,159 face of nef face of a Sasquatch video from Mike 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,319 up in Ontario, Canada from I guess you would call 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,319 it Sasquatch Ontario. Infamy is what I would call it, 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,240 more so than fame. But according to his eighty SI 51 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,560 thousand subscribers, I would say it's fame for them he 52 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,199 put out this video. I don't know, it's been like 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,400 two years ago now. Immediately my response was, this is 54 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:46,719 one of the most ridiculous things I have ever personally 55 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:50,680 seen in the Bigfoot community or outside at Frankly, was 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,479 what was clearly to me a Halloween mask that had 57 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:58,360 been doctored in some way, was painted, it looked like 58 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:01,960 some fake eyes had been added to it. I don't know, 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,879 did you see these when they first come out? When 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,280 did you first get introduced to this Sasquatch Ontario Mike 61 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:08,319 Patterson bullshit. 62 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: I think it may have been about a year ago 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,680 that I came across it just randomly. It cracks me 64 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:18,719 up that you said that, because that was six or 65 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:22,360 seven months before I heard you ever say anything about it. 66 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,039 When I came across about a year ago. That was 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,199 the first thing I thought. I thought it was actually 68 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:28,800 a joke. I thought it was one of those joke 69 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,599 videos where people say we found Sasquatch and then they 70 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,520 have their best friend in a suit run across the 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,560 camera or something. That's what I thought it was, because 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,120 not only like you, was that that looks like a mask. 73 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:46,080 The features on it. It looks like a bad Halloween 74 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,919 Sasquatch mask. I mean, at least with those other videos 75 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,360 from North of the Border that appear to be faked. 76 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,599 At least with those they tried to make it look 77 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:02,159 like what people describe Squatch is looking on with NFF, 78 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,680 it looked like it was the cousin that no one 79 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:06,280 ever talked about, or something like. 80 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:07,439 Speaker 2: I just went what. 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: I'm glad that I've gotten a chance to hear you 82 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:14,039 talk about your personal odyssey on this unintended I'm hoping 83 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:15,960 that you'll share that with the audience, fill us in 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,160 about what you've done, because I love the way that 85 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:22,360 you with the extra mile of not just calling it 86 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:26,639 out and saying no, that's obviously a mask everyone can see, 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,439 and you have basically people take sides you with the 88 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,959 extra mile, which I'm all about, as we've talked about 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,639 the last time about get the evidence, get the data, 90 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,639 get the proof if it's out there. 91 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,759 Speaker 2: I saw your Facebook post about it. 92 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:43,319 Speaker 3: But maybe you can update the audience on where you 93 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,399 are with that whole process and phill Us in there. 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has definitely been a process. And let me 95 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:51,040 take you back to the beginning for you guys who 96 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,279 have no clue what we're talking about, at least in 97 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:55,399 relation to the mask. I think everybody who listened to 98 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:59,360 the show knows about Mike Patterson and his Sasquatch Ontario 99 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,439 YouTube chain. He and Dwyane. It's like a twelve year 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,439 hoax at this point that they've perpetuated. A couple of 101 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,639 years ago, Mike came out with these photos of this 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,680 ridiculous dark figure mask thing sitting on top of a 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,519 fence with what looks like some sort of material laying 104 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,879 in front of it. You'll typically see them side by side. 105 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,199 He claims it's two photographs or two images that were 106 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,879 taking seconds apart. One of them shows some of the 107 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,519 teeth on this mask, which are pretty white, and then 108 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,319 the other one, the mouth is covered up with what 109 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:36,439 Mike claims to be Nefatillah's arm. He's got his arm 110 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,360 laid up on this fence. He's saying, you're looking across 111 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,319 the arm, and that's why you see a difference in 112 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:44,759 the mouth. I just took the image in my iPhone 113 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,560 when they first came out a couple of years ago, 114 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,399 and I lightened the contrast. Took me about four seconds. 115 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,519 I lightened the contrast, and it's clear to see that 116 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,680 what he claims is a face of a sasquatch is 117 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,399 nothing more than a mask sitting on top of something 118 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:03,040 in this picture with a fence, and there's this lattice 119 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,279 and some white blanket or something, and then there's like 120 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:09,360 a shovel leaned up against the thing. Here's the thing 121 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,720 that got me. Mike claimed that he didn't take these photographs. 122 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:18,360 His partner, his research partner aka the voice of Nefatilla, Dwayne, 123 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:22,040 took the photos and he said he took them seconds apart. 124 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:25,920 But you can see clearly that things in the photograph 125 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,199 that are supposedly allegedly seconds apart have been moved. The 126 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,040 white blanket is twice the size that it was. It's 127 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,120 unfolded to twice its size in one of the photos, 128 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,439 and then it's smaller in the second photo. What the 129 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,519 fuck was neft doing laundry folding this thing at the 130 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,600 same time the photos were taken, I don't know. Made 131 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,879 no sense to me as an investigator. That's the first 132 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:52,240 thing that stuck out to me, other than the obvious 133 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:56,759 ridiculousness of this alleged photograph of this face that's nothing 134 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,040 more than a mask that's clearly been manipulated. 135 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: The domestic kid in Sasquatch. That's what happened, Brian. He's 136 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:03,839 doing laundry. 137 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was able to fold it, and he had 138 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,160 it folded one way, and he took a photo a 139 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,560 second or two later, and it's folded a different way. 140 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,399 So I digress it. But that's basically what happened. In 141 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:15,319 a nutshell, I lightened it up and I called him 142 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:17,560 out and said, this is complete bullshit, dude, this is 143 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:20,920 clearly a mask. Of course, Mike did his typical attack 144 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,959 on me. I'm not enlightened. I'm an idiot. He can't 145 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,120 believe that I was ever a police officer who would 146 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,879 ever trust me on a nine to one one call, 147 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 because clearly my observation skills are off because I think 148 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,639 this is a mask, but it's clearly the face of Nefatia. 149 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,439 Okay whatever, Mike and I have her back and forth. 150 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,199 I searched for days, and I'm not talking about this 151 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,319 all night or anything like that. I wasn't sitting up 152 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,120 obsessing about it, but over the course of probably three 153 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,759 to five days, I was doing searches in my spare 154 00:07:52,839 --> 00:07:56,279 time to try to find this mask. Because if you 155 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:59,600 watch the video that Mike did about this when he 156 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:04,879 brought these amazing images of sasquatch to the world, Mike 157 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,079 says in his video, Hey, I know there'll be people 158 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,680 who say this as a mask. I challenge anybody to 159 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,399 try and find the mask because it doesn't exist. This 160 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,240 is a real sasquatch, so there is no mask to 161 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:22,199 be found here, right, So he makes this challenge in 162 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,879 his video again, as an investigator looking at this, there's 163 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,720 no reason for someone who has nothing to hide to 164 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,279 draw attention to the fact that people are going to 165 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,840 say this is a hoax. That was a little odd 166 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,759 to me, but people accepted the challenge because what happened 167 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,399 is and what sort of set this in motion for 168 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,919 me at least with the mask and the recreation photos 169 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,600 that we're talking about is I don't know. It's probably 170 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,639 a couple of months ago at this point. I don't 171 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:51,480 spend a whole lot of time on Reddit. I've said 172 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,399 this about Reddit plenty of times, and I'll say it 173 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,320 even to this day. Reddit is the bunghole of all 174 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,759 social media. I stay away from it as much as 175 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:03,159 pot possible, but I do still get the notifications from 176 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,720 the r bigfoot subreddit, and somebody had posted somebody being 177 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,480 your local gay cryptid is this screen name or account 178 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,919 name on Reddit? Which I thought was interesting. We'll maybe 179 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:18,519 talk a little bit more about that later. But he 180 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,759 did a post saying, Hey, I think I found the 181 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:26,480 mask that was used in the Sasquatch Ontario Mike Patterson 182 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,679 Dwayne Scott photos. I click on it and lo and behold, 183 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:48,759 by god, this guy has a matchnd at Chicken Dinner. 184 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:51,799 I will post these photographs over on the blogs. If 185 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:54,519 you guys want to see and follow along in real time, 186 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,679 head over to Parandormworldproductions dot com. Check out the blog 187 00:09:57,799 --> 00:09:59,679 at the top of the page and you can see 188 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,039 all these photographs that I'm talking about. I look at 189 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,159 this mask. It is not black. Nef's face is black 190 00:10:06,159 --> 00:10:08,879 in these photographs. It became apparent to me clearly that 191 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,559 it would have to be altered in some way, which 192 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,200 would make sense if you're investigating this and looking into it, 193 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:18,240 you would challenge people to find the exact mask, because 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,519 you know that's not possible because they've altered this mask 195 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,440 to change its appearance to take these photographs. So I 196 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,879 looked at the mask and everything matched. The unique forehead, 197 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:34,120 the brow ridge, the ears, the nose, the teeth, the mouth, 198 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,679 everything matched almost perfectly. The only problem is the mask 199 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:40,799 was lighter in color. It was more of a cream colored, 200 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,679 lighter color with some black speckled in right. So it 201 00:10:44,759 --> 00:10:47,159 was clear that they had to alter this in some 202 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,159 way and paint it. People were postulating that it was 203 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,480 shoe polish, and they were coming up with all these 204 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,559 ideas of how they could do this. It was all 205 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,039 speculation at that point because I didn't have a physical 206 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,240 mask in my hand, so I click on We had 207 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,600 the Facebook marketplace link in this reddit post to a 208 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,840 guy who ding ding ding Ding lives miles from where 209 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:17,279 Dwyane and Mike Patterson are up in Ontario, Canada. Boy, 210 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,279 is that a red flag or a green flag? I 211 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:21,559 guess it depends on who's keeping score here, but it 212 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,600 was a green flag for me. I'm thinking, hoh shit, 213 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,120 we might have a match here. So I immediately reach out 214 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,519 to the cellar and say, hey, is this still available? 215 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,000 They wanted a four bucks US for the mask, and 216 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,559 they had additional Halloween masks besides this one, completely different. 217 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,559 They had nothing to do with this mask. They were 218 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,039 just a lot of masks that they had for sale 219 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,240 and buy a lot, two or three a collection, right. 220 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,879 So I reach out to the guy. His girlfriend actually 221 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,159 responds to me and says, Hey, my boyfriend's dealing with this. 222 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,279 It's his listing. He's out of town for work for 223 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,720 a couple of weeks. But we're not shipping the mask. 224 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,840 You have to pick it up locally here in Canada. 225 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,279 And I'm thinking, fuck, I'm not gonna be able to 226 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,240 do that. I'm not flying to Canada and doing this 227 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,039 whole excursion to go and buy a four dollar mask. 228 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,559 I don't want it that freaking bad, I thought the 229 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,000 photographs would be enough. The side by side comparison should 230 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,840 be enough for Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles to see 231 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,200 that it's the same mask. Right, But we know how 232 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,600 people are, we know how the community is. Mike immediately 233 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:31,240 came out firing at me, saying I had created an 234 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:38,240 artificial intelligence and AI imaged mask based on Neff's face 235 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,440 to try to discredit him. That was his line, and 236 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,919 then he personally attacked me. I've shared that stuff on 237 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:47,200 social media publicly. He went for the gay card. He 238 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,960 started calling me all kinds of names and using gayslers 239 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,960 and shit that I've never heard before in my fifty years. 240 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,320 He was really making me cry. It was all I 241 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,440 could do to get up in the morning. 242 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,399 Speaker 3: I was worried about you there. You're so fragile about 243 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:02,039 that stuff. 244 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,879 Speaker 2: I'm a very fragile guy when it comes to those things. 245 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,320 I've never heard anybody say anything like that. In my 246 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:10,159 sixteen years in law enforcement on the streets of Atlanta. 247 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:13,080 I've never had my feelings hurt like Mike hurt my feelings. 248 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: By the way, folks, let's hope sarcasm can come through 249 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:17,759 in this media. 250 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: So he attacks me personally I put that out there, 251 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:22,600 and he blocks me on the all social media, so 252 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:25,200 I can't see anything he's posting. He's clearly still talking 253 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,639 about me on his social media because people are sending 254 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,600 it to me. At this point, I really don't care. 255 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:31,919 I'm just trying to get the mask because I know 256 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:35,440 this is not the mask I e. The exact one 257 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,759 that they used, obviously, but it was an exact match, 258 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,240 meaning this is a mass produced product in Canada that 259 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,360 he could have gotten his hands on. This just happens 260 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,679 to be another one. In fact, when I reached out 261 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,080 to this guy, he actually messaged me back when he 262 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,080 got back in town and said, hey, I know you 263 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,440 spoke to my girlfriend. I'm willing to ship you the 264 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,320 mask if you'll pay extra pay for the shipping and 265 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,679 then make it worth my while. I think one hundred 266 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,679 and fifty dollars US later, he was satisfied and he 267 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:08,559 mails me the mask. Okay, I'm happy. Can I just say, 268 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:10,080 really quickly about the mask? 269 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,519 Speaker 3: You saying I'm not going to fly to Canada, how 270 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:14,799 hilarious it would have been if you had flown there, 271 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,320 got the mask from the guy, and then gone a 272 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,399 couple of miles to Mike's place and shut up with 273 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,480 the mask on your face lives streaming it for the world. 274 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,919 Speaker 2: I got back from a trip I don't know. I'd 275 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:27,519 been to Gatlinburg or Florida, I don't know where I was. 276 00:14:27,559 --> 00:14:30,159 I'd been to a speaking gig somewhere, and I came 277 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,000 back from that and it was waiting on me. I 278 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:34,600 couldn't wait. If you follow me on Facebook or you 279 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,480 are friends with me on Facebook, my Facebook profile picture 280 00:14:38,559 --> 00:14:41,039 is me wearing the mask before it was ever altered. 281 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,720 So that's out there for everybody to see. And again 282 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:45,519 I'll post it over on the blog for you guys 283 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:49,120 to check out. So I get the mask obviously. If 284 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,039 you follow me at all, you know we talked a 285 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,200 little bit about my medical procedure. I had an emergency 286 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,960 surgery while I was up at a speaking gig up 287 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,559 in Pennsylvania earlier this last month. So I've had a 288 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,559 lot of care to do. This is a very busy 289 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:03,480 time for us. There's a lot of travel and it's 290 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,919 been raining. I think we talked that in the last episode. 291 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:08,440 It's been raining here. It's raining right now as we're 292 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,600 recording this. There's been a ton of rain. I need 293 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,919 to do this outside right a. I had to alter 294 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:15,600 the mask. I had to figure out a way to 295 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,240 paint it very similarly to what they did. Honestly, the 296 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:21,399 only thing I could figure out to make it look 297 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:24,600 similar to what they did with the shiny face. I 298 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,759 tried shoe pilish, I tried other products. I had to 299 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:31,480 use a black sharpie and color it in by hand 300 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:33,480 to make it the right color. 301 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: We've got to pay some bills, but don't go anywhere. 302 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,879 That Bigfoot podcast will be right back after this. 303 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,759 Speaker 2: Then I had to order eyes, I believe. I ordered 304 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,879 some fake eyes from Amazon. Had to figure out how 305 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:50,840 to tape them in there so they could stick out 306 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,399 enough to be seen in the photographs. I'll be honest, 307 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,360 it wasn't as easy as I thought it was going 308 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,080 to be. To recreate these photos, I pulled out an 309 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,639 old iPhone on five s that we have, one of 310 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:06,279 the tiny little Tictac iPhones with a shitty camera. Because 311 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,320 I had no idea what kind of camera they used. 312 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,600 I didn't know how far away he was. I didn't 313 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,440 know if he used a flash. I didn't know if 314 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,039 they used lighting. I certainly didn't know the type of camera. 315 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:17,639 So I had to do a lot of experimentation. So 316 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:20,080 after all that was said and done, I guess it 317 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:22,799 was last week sometime I did the actual photo shoot 318 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,159 and I got pretty damn close. 319 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:24,399 Speaker 4: Man. 320 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: I think they look pretty good. If you guys haven't 321 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,519 seen him again, check out the blog over on Paranormal 322 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:32,120 World Productions dot com. They looked pretty good, right. I 323 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,519 used a black background to make it even darker. I 324 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:39,159 got far enough away, I used my flash. I didn't 325 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,639 use the flash. I lightened it. I did this, but 326 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,440 I ultimately ended up just using a flash on my 327 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,080 new iPhone. I have a sixteen Pro. I think it 328 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,759 is the flash there from a certain amount of distance 329 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:54,559 away looked pretty good. I was satisfied with those. So 330 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,759 those are the ones that I ended up posting that 331 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,519 before and after the comparison shots so you can see it. 332 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,720 And people immediately started responding. I don't think anybody at 333 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,279 this point has come out in defense of these photographs 334 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,559 that Mike has put out there. Everybody has said, hands down, 335 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:15,440 absolute match. You got this guy into story pretty much. 336 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:17,759 Here's the thing that bothers me, here's the thing that's 337 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:20,440 so hard for me when it comes to the community. 338 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:22,960 I did a post over on Reddit. I think as 339 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 of this morning, it's at forty thousand views on Reddit. 340 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,000 The majority of the people are saying, hands down, yeah, 341 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:32,400 we've known for years this guy was a hoaxer. We 342 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,720 knew when those came out that it was a mask. 343 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:38,359 My response to all of those has been, look, I 344 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,480 get what you're saying. I'm clearly not talking to you. 345 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,720 You aren't my audience. The eighty suidd thousand people that 346 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:52,400 are drinking Mike Patterson's kool aid on his YouTube channel 347 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,680 are my target audience right now. I am talking to 348 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,440 the people who believe the bullshit that he's been perpetrating 349 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:04,640 and perpetuating for the last twelve years. That's my audience here, 350 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:08,200 and I want this spread far and wide. I went 351 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,160 live on every branch of social media that we have 352 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,799 because I wanted people to share this. I want Mike 353 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,759 to see it, I want Dwayne to see it, and 354 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:20,680 I want the people that believe his bullshit to see it. 355 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,519 Because if I can change ten minds, I've done my 356 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,559 job here. Because it's not obvious to everybody, to you, 357 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,079 to me, to the majority of critical thinkers that are 358 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,480 involved in this subject, Yeah, it's pretty clear, but to 359 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:37,759 these people it's not, and those are the people that 360 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:41,960 I'm trying to I don't want to say save, but honestly, 361 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,640 that's what I'm trying to do, is get the information 362 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,200 out to these people. So thank you to everybody who 363 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:49,920 shared this. Thank you to everybody who's viewed it on Reddit. 364 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,759 Please share it far and wide. I'm hoping by now 365 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,720 Mike Patterson's seen it. I haven't heard from Mike. I 366 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:58,240 figured I would get a personal attack, but the last 367 00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:00,720 thing he put out about it was a video addressing 368 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,400 the photographs that I had put out before I did 369 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,160 the recreation. He doesn't call me out by name, but 370 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,920 he says, somebody has created an AI mask and clearly 371 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,480 fucking wearing it in a photograph on my Facebook. It's 372 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:16,920 not made by AI. It is real, it exists, and 373 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,400 it is what you used to fake these photographs. So 374 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:23,079 I guess my question to you is, just as a person, 375 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,839 a critical thinker, obviously you have a PhD, you're a doctor, 376 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,920 you're well educated, you're a man of the world. Is 377 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,720 it not the most frustrating thing in the world to you, 378 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,079 Because I feel like the community just dismisses these things 379 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,200 whole cloth. I said to people, Yeah, we've known Mike 380 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:43,160 has been a hoaxer, but when have you ever seen 381 00:19:43,279 --> 00:19:48,680 anybody find the mask that he used and then recreate 382 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,359 the hoax to prove without a shadow of a doubt 383 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,640 that it's a hoax. That's a rare thing that happens 384 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,400 in this community, and when it does not just because 385 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,480 I did it. I'm not looking for praise here. I'm 386 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:02,720 not looking for adulation. I'm not looking for my ego 387 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:07,599 to be stroked. I'm simply saying acknowledge that someone went 388 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,119 the extra mile to prove a hoax, because it rarely, 389 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:16,720 if ever happens outside of maybe a finding bigfoot, recreation 390 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,039 or something that might have said, yeah, this is probably 391 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,400 not a bigfoot. But when does that ever happen? And 392 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,079 why is it so difficult for this community to not 393 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,119 be negative about the hoax are being revealed and the 394 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,079 person who went the extra mile. It's almost like I'm 395 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:34,599 getting more shit online for going the extra mile and 396 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,160 proving the hoax than he did for hoaxing the stuff 397 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,799 in the first place. Where are you on this whole 398 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:43,759 thing within the community of they're attacking people who are 399 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,039 going out doing the extra mile, spending their hard earned 400 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,279 cash and their time to prove this guy is nothing 401 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:51,119 more than a hoaxer. 402 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: First, I know you didn't do it for any kind 403 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,359 of praise, but I do want to again thank you 404 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:01,599 for going the extra mile, because again, that's my whole 405 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,279 approach to life really is. You get presented with anything, 406 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,599 go the extra mile to figure out if it's factual, 407 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,319 if it's real, if it holds water. So I appreciate that. Also, 408 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,319 the recreation you did to me looking at the two 409 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,240 side by side to put it in I think the 410 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:26,200 right context, those pictures side by side could have been 411 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:31,599 used in the same advertisement for that mask during Halloween 412 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:36,039 from Spirit Halloween or any of those big Halloween online 413 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:39,799 stores or anything like that. That's how close those two 414 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,920 were so well done with that. I think of those 415 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,680 eighty thousand followers, some probably follow him for the see 416 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,839 what kind of ridiculous hoax he comes up with next, Right, 417 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:57,640 it's the Rubbernecker train wreck sort of crap, So some 418 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,279 of them probably that. But I also think this whole 419 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,440 people resisting. I think this is a natural reaction for humans. 420 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,119 From my perspective, I think this may be something that 421 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,960 is especially strong in the cryptid world because most of 422 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,799 the people who are interacting online or whatever the case is, 423 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:25,359 have not had an experience themselves. They believe this. It's 424 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,160 a belief, and so I think of it along the 425 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,680 same lines. And I'm not trying to say that Sasquatches 426 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:33,519 their religion, but I think of it in the same 427 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:37,279 lines of belief systems. And when people don't have the 428 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,440 facts in front of them, so whether or not they 429 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,920 think this is a hoax or not, they go, oh, yeah, 430 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,680 we all know whisper to ourselves, that's just bullshit over there. 431 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,440 I think there's a maybe even a subconscious fear that 432 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:56,079 if you get one crack in the wall, the whole 433 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,200 thing comes tumbling down. They worry that, oh, what's going 434 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,319 to happen next? Is somebody going to show that the 435 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,240 Freeman footage is not real? 436 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: Oh? 437 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,559 Speaker 3: And then are they going to go to Patterson Gibblin Again. 438 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:12,559 It's almost like a belief system because a lot of people, 439 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:19,000 I think, either came into it going oh yeah, there's bigfoot, yeah, 440 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:24,559 with no evidence, or they want to believe so strongly 441 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:29,319 that they're not worried about the evidence. And I think 442 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,519 that's part of The reason why you and I connected 443 00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:34,279 is that you and I both came into this thing 444 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:35,960 where we're. 445 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:37,799 Speaker 2: Like, Sasquatch sounds awesome. 446 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: I would love it if there's a Sasquatch, but we 447 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,920 both came into a very skeptical I know we talked 448 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,519 a little bit last time, a little bit on how 449 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:48,279 we're in different places along this journey. I think that's 450 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:53,000 probably why you're getting the pushback, is because you're willing 451 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,079 to go that extra mile and say no. And as 452 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,519 I heard you say, even if if the Patterson Gimlin 453 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:08,720 film is not real, that doesn't mean Sasquatch is not real. 454 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:12,799 And I think people really can't divorce those two because 455 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,720 those are the only things they have to hang their 456 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:20,119 hats on. They're gonna push back against any kind of effort. 457 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,319 I've seen the online responses when people have called the 458 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,200 Todd standing stuff out and people are just, oh, no, man, 459 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,960 he spends all day out there. Those things are real. Again, 460 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,480 it's apples and oranges. They could be real. Even if 461 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:40,119 they're not real, that doesn't mean that Sasquatch is not real. 462 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,000 I hope that's one of the things that can be 463 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,000 a change within the community because I know, we want 464 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:52,480 to talk about the crossover gorilla trail cam footage. There's 465 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:59,200 a great example. There were these stories for decades about gorillas, 466 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,799 about these huge primates in Africa in the west, and 467 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:10,079 they were folklore stories from locals in Africa. There were 468 00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:14,400 people who believed it outright because they wanted to believe 469 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,119 there were these giant monsters in the quote unquote dark 470 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,640 continent as they called it back then. The sea change 471 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,400 was when people said, I'm open to the idea that 472 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,640 they're there, and when we get evidence of it, all 473 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,440 start believing it. And it doesn't have to necessarily be 474 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:38,519 Every single person has their own personal interaction. It's what 475 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:44,880 we've talked about before about replicable studies, things where you 476 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,160 can rely on the objectivity that's been put into it, 477 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,720 the safeguard, the bumpers that have been put onto the 478 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:53,079 observations of things. 479 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,319 Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's my take on it is. 480 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: I think they're just like there's this deep seated fear 481 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:00,279 that may not even be. 482 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: Conscious about your walls, this house of cards potentially, or 483 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,680 let's take the Jenga and you're pulling a block out 484 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,079 of their jinga structure of what it's based on I'm 485 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:13,279 glad you brought up about the Patterson Gimblin film because 486 00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:16,960 I have said that multiple times talking about that because 487 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,680 so many people that is their holy grail when it 488 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,160 comes to evidence for the existence of these creatures. Anyone 489 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,799 who says it's not real is threatening that for them. 490 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,359 I said, look, they could be completely full of horseshit. Patterson, Gimlin, 491 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,240 Bob Hieronymous, this guy Philip Morris who said he made 492 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,279 the suit. Maybe everybody there was in on this hoax. 493 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,680 Maybe it was this huge elaborate hoax that was created. 494 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,039 And if that's the case, it doesn't mean that Bigfoot 495 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,119 can't be real. Those things can exist simultaneously and both 496 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,000 to be true at the same time. This can be 497 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:57,960 a hoax. Todd Standing's footage can be a hoax. The 498 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,240 Freeman footage could be fake. All these things could be happening, 499 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,400 and Sasquatch could still be real, but people don't want 500 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,799 to hear that. I think that's what's happening in a 501 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,960 lot of cases here. But there's still so many people 502 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,319 in the community who seem to be so desensitized with 503 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,920 Oh yeah, I've known that's fake for years. Let's move on. Okay, 504 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:22,240 just because you know it's fake. Plenty of other people 505 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,559 believe that it's real, and in my opinion, if someone 506 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,640 is willing to go the extra step to do the 507 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,240 recreation and to prove it's hard to prove a hoax. 508 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,880 People I think have been trying to do it. With 509 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,599 Todd standing in his footage for years, I have said 510 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,559 that I think all of his videos are fake. I 511 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,559 don't think any of that shit is real. I can't 512 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,720 prove that. There is no physical way. It is so 513 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,519 hard for anybody to prove a negative. How do you 514 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,119 prove something doesn't exist? How do you do that? What's 515 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,559 the process for saying Bigfoot doesn't exist? Here's the proof 516 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,480 it doesn't exist in and of itself, the statement doesn't 517 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,599 even make sense. It's the same way with this hoax. 518 00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:10,720 Unless Todd comes out and says, you know what, folks, 519 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,640 I just feel like I need to do a deathbed 520 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,799 confession before I go out. All that shit was made up. 521 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,400 That was animatronic. I painted my dad's face with black 522 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,440 shoe polish and he crawled around on the ground and 523 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,559 I found him. Unless he does that, it's physically impossible 524 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,119 to prove it. But the mistake that Mike Patterson and 525 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,359 Dwayne made were using something that was mass produced that 526 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,480 someone had the astute ability to scour the internet. I 527 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,799 don't know if they use Google lens or what they use, 528 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,640 but I credit whoever. This guy is your local gay cryptid. 529 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,559 He's on Facebook as well, because he's messaged me on 530 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:51,319 Facebook and on Reddit. Is clearly a real person who 531 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:56,039 found this listing to his credit or her credit up 532 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,000 in Canada. And then I took the ball from there 533 00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,000 and ran with it. I reached out and got it. 534 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,240 I had the means to purchase it. I had the 535 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,599 time to wait to get it. I had the time 536 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,359 to put into altering it to make it match. I 537 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,839 had the time and the ability to go out and 538 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,720 buy things. I had to go out and spend twenty 539 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:19,920 fucking dollars on some lattice from Low's to get it 540 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:22,880 home and make this look as real or as close 541 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,920 to the original as possible. And it's so funny. People 542 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,920 have commented, Hey, your shit looks more real than his his. 543 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440 If it posted those pictures that you created that looks 544 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,039 more like a real sasquatch than what Mike put out there, 545 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,640 maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. I appreciate that. 546 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,279 I'm not going in the business of hoaxing bigfoot faces. 547 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:44,480 That's not my intention here, folks. This was a one 548 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:46,799 time deal for just Mike. If it ever comes up 549 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,160 again and I have the ability to prove that somebody's 550 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,880 lying about their evidence, I'm going to do that. Yeah, 551 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,799 it's just this overwhelming thing in the community. Instead of 552 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,759 responding to my Reddit thread, literally, somebody said to me, 553 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,400 I don't think anybody should be wasting their time on 554 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,680 this guy or trying to disprove his evidence. It's clearly 555 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,480 a mask. No, it's not. Go to his YouTube channel 556 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,799 and look at how many views. Yeah, that video has. 557 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,519 Look at the comments. The hundreds are, possibly thousands of 558 00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:21,599 comments that this guy has on this particular video. I 559 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,039 think it's been viewed like one hundred and twenty thousand times. Again, 560 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,319 people say, what's he getting out of this hoax? Why 561 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:32,039 would he hoax that it's money? It is money. 562 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: We've got to pay some bills. But don't go anywhere. 563 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,480 That Bigfoot podcast will be right back after this. 564 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:45,359 Speaker 2: I don't know what the algorithm is doing with his videos, 565 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,359 but I said this before. I've talked to people who 566 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,200 have big accounts, and I know about what they make 567 00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,160 off of their YouTube videos. Some people make as little 568 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,839 as six bucks per thousand views. Some people make twenty 569 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,559 dollars per thousand views on these videos. You do the math. 570 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,880 Multiply twenty dollars times one hundred and twenty thousand. That's 571 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,839 your motivation. He's making money off of hoaxing these videos 572 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,160 about nef talking, farting into a microphone, singing, and now 573 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,160 the face of nef Right. Every video he posts is 574 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,440 content for him that he gets paid because he created it. 575 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,240 That's the motivation. If we were in court and we 576 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,480 were trying to prove the motive for said crime, his 577 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:35,880 motivation is fame amongst his followers. His ego is stroked 578 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,079 because they support him wholeheartedly. And on top of that, oh, 579 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,200 by the way, he's able to pay a few bills 580 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,039 with the money that he's making off of this eighty 581 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,440 SOMEI thousand. I think it's close to eighty one thousand 582 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,440 subscribers on YouTube. Again, I don't begrudge anybody for making 583 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200 money off of this subject. It's my full time job. 584 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,319 It's how I pay my bills and support my family. 585 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,599 But I'm not lying to people faking evidence, and I'm 586 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,319 not taking advantage of people's gullibility. And that's the problem 587 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,319 that I have with Mike in a nutshell. 588 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that wraps up that my component really well. 589 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,279 There's an interesting part there that I've been wanting to 590 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,480 talk a little bit more about the whole fame component 591 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:21,839 because I'm the skeptic, and when I'm at a conference, 592 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,880 whenever I'm interacting with folks who are either knowers or believers, 593 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,559 I often get the pushback of why would these people 594 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,519 claim to see what they saw? They're not getting famous 595 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,319 off of it or anything. It can't be that. I 596 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,200 would push back against that really strongly because everything is 597 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:46,680 context specific, right, Everything that we deal with is within 598 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,079 our little fish pond. That had a pretty small Bigfoot conference, 599 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,759 the one I was at Oakridge this summer. The speakers 600 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,640 there were being fond of like the rolling Stones were 601 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,680 hanging out great for I'm not begrudging that. I'm not 602 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,279 saying they shouldn't be, but I'm saying, just from an 603 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:12,559 observational perspective, you mentioned egos, they're getting some serious serotonin 604 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,599 releases in their brain. They're looked at as an authority 605 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,079 figure in the community that they're in. So when people say, oh, 606 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,240 you're not getting famous off this. No, you're not getting 607 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,599 Hollywood famous, office, you're not getting pop star famous, you're 608 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,440 not Taylor Swift, but you're getting bigfoot famous off this. 609 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,759 If you're Mike, you mentioned it as eighty thousand followers, 610 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,319 he gets to use that as a sort of bragging point, 611 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,000 a feather in his cap or where he stands. That 612 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,920 automatically makes him one of those authority figures who's a 613 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,799 player in the bigfoot world, who has to be considered 614 00:33:54,839 --> 00:34:00,160 whenever you're talking about these things. And for me, I say, 615 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,559 that's why those folks need to be scrutinized when they 616 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,480 put something out to the public. Even more if it's 617 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,400 Johnny's Bigfoot page and his mom and his cousin follow 618 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,320 him and that's it, then it put out whatever you want. Yeah, 619 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,559 no one should bother to take the time because he 620 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,559 got his cousin to put a suit on and run 621 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,400 down the road. But when it's someone who has that 622 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,840 kind of cachet within the community. And I bring this 623 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,400 from the scientific community, You've go to a scientific conference, 624 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,320 grad students get up where they're presenting these hypotheses that 625 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,400 they're testing right now in their dissertations, and nobody really cared. 626 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,360 They may find it interesting, they may have talked to 627 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,119 them afterward, they may think that grad student is particularly bright, 628 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,599 whatever the case, but they don't really care about what 629 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,559 they're talking about until there's a mountain of data or 630 00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,800 that person has the reputation of who they move the 631 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,320 new You get one of the sort of academic famous 632 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,800 people up on the stage presenting and they present the 633 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,159 same hypothesis. If you could replicate that, you would have 634 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,000 hand shooting up right their academic rivals. You would have 635 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,039 a lot of scrutiny over it, because there's a lot 636 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,920 of weight to what they say. And that's why I 637 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,559 think when those people all due respect, when those people 638 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,880 say no, one should waste their time on this guy, 639 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,960 because we all know that he's been a hoaxer. Like 640 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,239 you said, no, that's bullshit. Not everybody knows. Again, if 641 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,639 the Sasquatch community is going to move into being a 642 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,639 scientific community, being about objective data, being actually to show 643 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:01,400 facts beyond beliefs, then you have to call out any 644 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,079 kind of claim. You have to investigate it further. You 645 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,079 said it yourself. When we were talking about your personal 646 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:13,679 experiences last year, you said, hey, I haven't seen all 647 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:17,800 the video footage. The jury is still out. Basically, you 648 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,000 know what you saw. But you're saying if there's something 649 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,920 where there was a trick of lights, there was this, 650 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:29,679 there was that, then you'll accept that's the case. That's 651 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,800 the approach that I hope more of the community can 652 00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:39,599 start to adopt instead of the kind of entrenched belief 653 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,440 component everyone say, oh, science got that wrong. Yeah, that's 654 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,639 what science tries to do all the time. Science is 655 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,639 constantly trying to get things wrong because that's how you 656 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,679 learn what's right. And that also means that you're open 657 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,159 to new data. That's why, like I said, I never 658 00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,760 say never when it comes to biology, because new data 659 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,880 can always to be presented. I'm always open to hearing 660 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,000 that what Mike presented is not new data, and that 661 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,519 needs to be very clear, and you made it really 662 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:11,119 clear it's not new data. 663 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,199 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that, because that is the 664 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920 other thing that I've said so many times. Part of 665 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,719 the reason that I think a lot of academics shy 666 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,760 away from bigfoot as a subject or sasquatch research as 667 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,159 a subject is because of some of the ridiculous things 668 00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:29,079 that are out there, and the more popular that these 669 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:33,360 people that are hoaxing these ridiculous videos and photographs or 670 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,239 whatever they're hoaxing Bigfoot speaking to Mike and farting into 671 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,519 microphones and shit like that, the more it's pushed out 672 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:44,119 there in these algorithms, it floats its way to the top. 673 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,159 So if an academic says, I've always been interested in Bigfoot, 674 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,920 I've got my PhD in primatology and anatomy, I want 675 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,400 to go into this and look at it as a 676 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,320 serious subject. Let me go out there and see what 677 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,159 evidence is out there. Right now, they do a Google search, 678 00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:03,840 and these ridiculous as photographs of this bad Halloween mask 679 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,559 are the first thing that he comes in contact with 680 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,679 or she comes in contact with as a scientist, and 681 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,880 they see all the comments and the laughing emojis, and 682 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,400 then they go to Todd Standings videos and go, oh 683 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,840 my god, this is the best thing out there besides 684 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,320 the Patterson Gimlin film or the Freeman footage, which a 685 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,679 lot of people have the opinion that's faked as well. 686 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,599 Whether you're talking about video one or video two, that 687 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,320 may in and of itself cause that person or many 688 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,119 scientists to say, you know what, this is some kakamami bullshit. 689 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,239 I am not getting involved in this. These people are 690 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,639 clearly batshit crazy. I'm out of here now. Has that 691 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,760 happened maybe? Could it happen? Sure, But it's another piece 692 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,199 of the puzzle why I think it's important for people 693 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:56,480 when you can go the extra mile, prove its hoax, 694 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,719 toss that shit out with the bathwater, and move on, 695 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,599 as you said, to try to move the needle on 696 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,159 the research. So if there's no other reason to do 697 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,920 something like I did and prove that someone hopes some 698 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,239 kind of evidence that's out there in front of the masses. 699 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,639 By the way, Sasquatch Ontario YouTube channel eighty one thousand, 700 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,400 eight hundred subscribers. As of right now when we record this, 701 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,679 the Face of nef Sasquatch People video from two years 702 00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:35,840 ago has one hundred and sixteen thousand views. Sasquatch Contact 703 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,119 the Voice of Nefatilla from Sasquatch Ontario on their YouTube 704 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:46,119 channel three years ago one hundred and twenty six thousand views. 705 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:51,159 That's a lot of freakin eyeballs on those two videos alone. 706 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,760 And those two videos are both one hundred percent nothing 707 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,960 but horseshit. I have proven that the mask is one 708 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,280 one hundred percent faked, hoaxed, altered. It's a mask, hands down. 709 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,599 I can't do anything other than point you to the 710 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,440 YouTube channel that's devoted to this hoax, where Dwayne has 711 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,400 admitted that he is the voice of Nefatilla. Those two 712 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,360 things should be nails in the coffins done. But there's 713 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,320 still almost a quarter of a million views between those 714 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,159 two videos for people that have eaten it up hook 715 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,960 Line and Sinker, So that in and of itself, if 716 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,719 there were just those two videos to deal with, they've 717 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,760 been proven that they're hoaxes, but it doesn't matter. Those 718 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,440 eyeballs have still consumed it, and there's plenty of people 719 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,280 who will die thinking that it's one hundred percent real. 720 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 3: It's something that's important for people to think about. You 721 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:52,000 mentioned the monetary component him getting money off of these views. 722 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,360 It's a perpetuating sacle because the more views he gets, 723 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,639 the more money he gets, which means the more videos 724 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:04,039 he can produced, the more notoriety he gets. Even if 725 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,639 it's negative. There are folks who believe that no publicity's 726 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,480 bad publicity. Even if it's negative, there are people who 727 00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:13,639 are gonna want him to come speak at a conference 728 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,360 just because it's this tension in the air. Mike's gonna 729 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,079 present his controversial videos and talk about it, and you get. 730 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,639 Speaker 2: A question him. 731 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 3: This is for the reasoning why you need to scrutinize 732 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880 these things, because you're adding fuel to the fire. If 733 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,000 you just oh, yeah, he's getting views and he's getting clicks, 734 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,079 he gets more money, he gets more notoriety, instead of 735 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:43,119 the community being able to say, if you have some 736 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,840 real evidence, bring it forward. If you don't, then just 737 00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:53,760 go do something else. Start making AI videos of fasquatch 738 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,760 drinking beer, running through the woods eating squirrels because they said, yes, 739 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,280 go ahead, go all in on the fake stuff. 740 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 2: Make it a joke. 741 00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 3: Those videos get massive views, and if that's what you're 742 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,000 in it for. But if you're in it for trying 743 00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:16,320 to figure out the biological reality of this organism, where 744 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,960 it fits in, what's actually going on with it, then yeah, 745 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,119 you need to call out the fake stuff, and you 746 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,320 need to, like you said, throw it out with the 747 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,320 bathwater and move on. 748 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 2: I agree, enough airtime for Mike and his bullshit photographs 749 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,480 and my wonderful recreation. Again, if you guys want to 750 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,400 see those photos, either check it out on my social 751 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,800 media over on Facebook. I've got it on Instagram, and 752 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,119 I have it on the blog. Head over to the 753 00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,719 website check it out there. But I want to be 754 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,920 respectful of everybody's time, including yours. Before we get out 755 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,719 of here, let's talk about you mentioned it a little 756 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,079 while ago about the gorillas. Give everybody the dime store 757 00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,320 tour of what we're talking about here. What you know 758 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,760 about them, what's been happening, what's new about this elusive 759 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,239 grid gorilla over in Africa. Yeah. 760 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,079 Speaker 3: Actually, I have a friend I was in grad school 761 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:08,920 with who studied the crossover gorilla. They're an isolated population 762 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:13,440 of western lowland gorilla in a forested area that's really 763 00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:17,599 cut off from continuous forest. And let's be clear, they're 764 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:23,119 not a separate species of gorilla, although conservationists might harve 765 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,800 it up that way because conservation laws allow you to 766 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,159 then protect organisms better and things like that. Technically there 767 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:35,199 are subspecies, but what's important is this is a population 768 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:42,360 that was known from gorilla tracks, from genetic evidence, from 769 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:48,000 hair sightings. A few people have video it's not as 770 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,960 blurry as most of the sasquatch video that we see. 771 00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:55,800 But that's where kind of some parallels are is that 772 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,519 for a long time it was known by these things 773 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,599 and known by all the locals that there were gorillas 774 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,599 in this area. I would say that the difference is 775 00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:09,880 there was clear genetic evidence because you had other gorilla 776 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,000 populations to compare it to, So you had the gorilla 777 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:18,400 genome already sequenced from Western Lowland populations that are in 778 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:24,400 big continuous sports. You find these equal samples, you collect them, 779 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,039 you get them analyzed, you're able to say, okay, that's 780 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,639 absolutely gorilla. It looks like it's the same species of 781 00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,840 gorilla as Western Lowland, but has some markers that are 782 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,840 slightly different, so it's a subspecies. Like I said, there's photos, 783 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,000 there's video. Most of those are published in academic journals, 784 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,800 are shown at conferences. This is the first time that 785 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,039 they've gotten them on a trail cam where it's clear 786 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,159 that there's a big as ape right there. So that's 787 00:44:56,199 --> 00:45:01,760 really exciting because first it's more publicly known, so it 788 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,760 brings more attention to the subject. It's also exciting I 789 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,480 think for field researchers because it shows that their efforts 790 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,559 to do things that are non invasive observations like field 791 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:14,920 camps and things like that are working. 792 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 1: We've got to pay some bills, but don't go anywhere. 793 00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,320 That Bigfoot podcast will be right back after this. 794 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 3: I think for the bigfoot world it's exciting because it 795 00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:34,320 gives that hope keep collecting the data you may get 796 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,320 rather than just what looks like a furry arm or 797 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,159 some blurry Oh look it's hidden behind a tree or whatever. 798 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,320 If the sasquatches don't short out the trail cameras, you 799 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,800 may get one on a trail camp. 800 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,679 Speaker 2: And yeah, I think it's interesting. 801 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,760 Speaker 3: I love the media these days for clicks and everything 802 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,519 like that talking about monetizing things because it's not as 803 00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:57,559 unheard of. 804 00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,159 Speaker 2: It's not like no one had ever. 805 00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 3: Seen across River gorilla, and it's not like there was 806 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,199 an already photo evidence of them. It's just a matter 807 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,079 of this a really small population that is skiddish around humans, 808 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,960 typically probably because they've been hunted. To get them on 809 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,800 a trail cam, you start to be able to know 810 00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:22,119 their movement patterns a little bit. Makes it really exciting, 811 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,400 especially for the scientists. 812 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 2: Symbol Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I didn't think 813 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,599 there was a smoking gun there, because, like you said, 814 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:32,159 it wasn't like they discovered some new species of gorilla 815 00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:34,280 that had never been seen before. But I thought it 816 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,320 was interesting in conjunction with some of the things we've 817 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,360 talked about with Bigfoot in the past and even today 818 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,719 about the evidence that people are collecting. It was very 819 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,239 similar to what happened with the Western Lowland gorillas when 820 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,880 they were discovered initially. That in and of itself being 821 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,519 caught on a trail cam is something interesting to me 822 00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:56,039 because I don't know how many times this has been attempted, 823 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,159 but it's not been very successful in a lot of 824 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,239 larger primates and even larger mammals in general, to catch 825 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,239 them on trail cams, although it does happen on occasion, 826 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,400 and I think it's very similar to what we experience 827 00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,119 or what we've seen in the Bigfoot community over the years, 828 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,119 is there are a ton of people who try to 829 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:19,880 put out trail cameras. I've seen personally some amazing footage 830 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,320 of what I believe to be a Sasquatch on trail 831 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,079 cameras that nobody will ever see because these people are 832 00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:27,880 not going to release it. They show it to people 833 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,039 at conferences or people in confidence when they're talking about 834 00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,039 the subject, and they know they're in an area where 835 00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,639 they're not going to be laughed at. But by and large, 836 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,719 they're not putting this on the six o'clock news in 837 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,039 their local town saying hey, I caught this on trail cams. 838 00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,920 I got one in Sam Squatches in the backyard. They're 839 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,800 not doing that right because they know they're going to 840 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,719 be laughed out of church and out of the grocery store, 841 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,800 and people are gonna be stopping when they're pumping their 842 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,239 gas at the quick Trip saying, hey, ain't you that 843 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,760 boy caught that thing over on that trail cam at 844 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,159 Sam Squatch. I don't blame them for not leasing that information. 845 00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:04,960 Bigfoot Billy exactly. He gets a new tag from the 846 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,320 local tag off as I'm bigfoot Billy because everybody knows 847 00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:11,320 I think that goes on. I don't think it's rampant 848 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,599 in the community, but there are some people out there 849 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,280 who have some footage that I believe to be genuine 850 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,719 that we'll probably never see. So I think things like 851 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,760 this and that's why I wanted to touch on it before 852 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,440 we get out of here may help people say yeah, 853 00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:28,920 I've got some footage, or maybe we might go back 854 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,480 to trail cams, because the thing in the community. Now, 855 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,840 you talk to people. I guarantee seven out of ten 856 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,440 people that I talked to about the subject, they clearly 857 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,079 have no frickin clue. They just assume because they've heard 858 00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:43,360 this over the years, or they've been told stories, or 859 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,400 they've heard podcasts where they say, don't put up trail 860 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,639 cameras it runs the bigfoot off. Is that happening? Do 861 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,840 they see an ir Is it one of those things 862 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,280 that could prevent activity? Possibly, but we don't know that. 863 00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,880 And if a gorilla is caught on a trail camera, 864 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:03,159 clearly I'll post these photos as well on the blog 865 00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:06,000 with everything else, so you guys can see it for yourself, 866 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,840 see it with your own eyes. It's a real photograph 867 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,039 of this very elusive type of gorilla in this area. 868 00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,199 It can be done with them. Is it possible we 869 00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:18,760 can get a photograph of a bigfoot or a sasquatch 870 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,519 on trailcam? I think so. I don't think it's one 871 00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:24,119 of those things that we should just dismiss as a 872 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:28,079 community whole cloth, because that's the thing people say it's 873 00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,840 a double edged sword. Skeptics come and say, where's the 874 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,800 photographs you have bigfoot on your property that you have 875 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,280 cameras out? No, why don't you have cameras out because 876 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,320 Joe from the local Bigfoot research group said I shouldn't 877 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,039 put cameras out because of it are run to sam 878 00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,199 squatches off. Okay, we're definitely not going to get into 879 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,519 trailcam video or steal photos. If every Yahoo that's in 880 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,679 the community believes that Bigfoot can manipulate the cameras or 881 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,480 they avoid the cameras, it just doesn't make sense that 882 00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:01,199 as a community we wouldn't use all the tools of available. Again, 883 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,480 I think it goes to that's one of those things 884 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,960 that scientists may look at and go The first thing 885 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,880 I would do if I were trying to find some 886 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,760 large undiscovered primate in this general area is set up 887 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,559 camera traps. If you don't have to have it manned, 888 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,920 you can go check the cameras at your leisure. You 889 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,159 should capture something if you're seeing this evidence, if you're 890 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:24,000 seeing footprints and you've gotten a hair sample, and there's 891 00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,400 this big turd over here that you think the sasquatch 892 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,599 left behind. Put a fucking trail camera up there, and 893 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,679 maybe you'll catch Sam Squatch on the trail cam. But 894 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,880 nobody's doing that because now the general consensus in the 895 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,239 community is they hide from trail cameras, they avoid trail cams, 896 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,360 they see an IR, none of which has ever been 897 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,280 proven because nobody knows. So why not do that. That's 898 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,599 all I'm gonna say about that. If you guys think 899 00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:53,239 you have activity, put a trail camera out. I've done 900 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,559 it here on my property. I've never captured anything on 901 00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:58,719 the trail camp, but I've at least tried it. Do 902 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,679 it in your research here. You may get lucky. You 903 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,159 may be the next big discovery. Who knows. I think 904 00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:06,760 we've beaten that horse to death. I don't want to 905 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,440 get into the videos and stuff that we were going 906 00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:10,920 to talk about today. We'll save that for the next episode. 907 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,679 There is some stuff that we want to talk about 908 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,760 as far as videos and some of the AI stuff 909 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,679 that's going around, some of this evidence that people are 910 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,519 claiming to be Bigfoot. I want to get in your knowledge, 911 00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,920 training and experience and breaking some of this stuff down 912 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,280 and why it's probably not a Bigfoot and it's most 913 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,360 likely AI, but we'll do that on the next episode 914 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,159 of the show. If you guys want to hear something 915 00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:35,119 specific from us, shoot me an email Brian at Paranormalworldproductions 916 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,320 dot com. We'll add it to the hopper and maybe 917 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,400 talk about it on a future show. You can always 918 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,840 leave us a voicemail. The button's right there on the 919 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,360 website in the contact section. We love to get those 920 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,960 voicemails and maybe we'll play them on the show on 921 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,800 a future episode. If you want to be a part 922 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,320 of the show, Hogan, any last words from you man 923 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,000 that you want to leave with the good people in 924 00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:54,000 Bigfoot World. 925 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 3: I'm curious about what you've got coming up in the 926 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:58,599 near future. 927 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm glad you mentioned that I've got a shameless plug. 928 00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:05,480 The documentary that we were filming when I had my 929 00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,760 encounters last summer is coming out in a couple of weeks. 930 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,519 It's going to debut in the United Kingdom and I 931 00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,360 think nineteen or twenty theaters, so it's actually going to 932 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,639 be in cinemas as they call them. Over across the Pond. 933 00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,280 I shared a post that Daniel put out yesterday or 934 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,679 day before yesterday. Some people have said they've clicked the 935 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,440 link and it's not working. It really doesn't matter because 936 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,840 it's not even in the United States at this point. 937 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,159 It'll be here a couple of weeks after that, so 938 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,280 just stay tuned. We'll certainly announce it. We're planning on 939 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,880 getting the group together. It'll probably be me, Ryan RPG, Golumbeski, Daniel, 940 00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,599 his dad, Craig. We may get Bobo involved. We're going 941 00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:46,320 to try to get as many people that were involved 942 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,039 in the project on and talk a little bit about that, 943 00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:51,760 talk about the premiere and when it's going to be 944 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,480 in the US. It's going to be in theaters here 945 00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:58,639 in a limited engagement stateside after this happens over in 946 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,840 the United Kingdom over the next couple of weeks. I'm 947 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,960 not going to talk specifically about who's distributing the film 948 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,360 because I don't know that's public knowledge, but it'll eventually 949 00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,400 end up outside of the theaters, very much like you 950 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,559 expect any other movie. It'll come to some streaming platform 951 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,320 or platforms eventually, but all that's happening in the next 952 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,159 couple of weeks. I'm imagining, as I've said before, it 953 00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:21,920 will probably hit streaming platforms at some point in time 954 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,000 before the end of the year, hopefully sooner rather than later. 955 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,519 We'll make more announcements as that's coming out, But I 956 00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:30,400 do have a camp out that's scheduled here next week 957 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,440 as we record this on September twelfth, thirteenth, and fourteenth. 958 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,880 It's about two to three hours away from us here 959 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,599 and our property in North Carolina. But I'm actually going 960 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:42,199 to do a post about that here shortly, so if 961 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,719 you follow me on Facebook, Instagram and check out our 962 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,239 Bigfoot Encounters and Field Research group on Facebook, I'll do 963 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,760 a post over there as well. I think we've got 964 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,159 four spots left before that's completely full. It's a great place. 965 00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:57,320 I've interviewed at least one guy who's had an encounter 966 00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,960 just yards away from where we're going to be camping. 967 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,800 It's going to be an amazing weekend. If nothing else, 968 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,079 we'll get out in the woods and have a good 969 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,360 time with everybody, and then we'll sit around the campfire 970 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,960 and tell some tales and have a good time. All 971 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,920 your food is included, all your drinks are included in 972 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,000 the price that you'll see. If you're interested in that, 973 00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,559 you can head over to Ncigfoot Adventures dot Com. I'll 974 00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:19,079 link to that in the show notes if you want 975 00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:21,239 to be involved in that. If we get this out 976 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,840 before then that's really it for me. 977 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,079 Speaker 4: Man. 978 00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,599 Speaker 2: That's all I have is the big announcement for the 979 00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:28,000 documentary coming out. I've been waiting for this for over 980 00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,239 a year. I'm excited for that. I've seen the full 981 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,760 finished documentary. We actually showed it up in Pennsylvania before 982 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,440 I had to leave and promptly go to the hospital 983 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,840 a couple of weeks ago. It's great, man. I've really 984 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,400 enjoyed the reaction that people have had to the film. 985 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,280 I hope everybody that's listening is interested, will go check 986 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,079 it out. Excellent. There you have it, folks. Until next time, 987 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,199 we'll see you, guys. Take care of all. 988 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 4: I can't out. I can't, I can't give out. I 989 00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:51,679 can