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Speaker 4: All right, everyone, you are listening to the Cosmic Peach
Speaker 4: podcast and tonight I have on New York Patriot from
Speaker 4: the Occult Rejects and also he has his own show.
Speaker 4: Everyone already knows this a New York Patriots show. Thank
Speaker 4: you so much, And yeah, I'm a huge fan, have
Speaker 4: always been a huge fan. Never thought i'd actually get
Speaker 4: to talk to you and like spill my crazy out
Speaker 4: all over you.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to hit you up. I think
Speaker 3: you're like holy shit.
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh my god, it's just New
Speaker 4: York Patriot. Don't make you no.
Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: That's a listen, and thank you for having me on
Speaker 5: and even thinking to me with this too.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you were the first person I thought of,
Speaker 4: because what we're going to be talking about tonight is
Speaker 4: the Winchester Rifle Mansion, and a lot of people are
Speaker 4: familiar with this place, but as I was talking to
Speaker 4: New York about it, it's only ever covered in a
Speaker 4: paranormal aspect. But what about all the symbolism, what about
Speaker 4: all the dark shit? It gets glossed over one percent
Speaker 4: of the time.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. You know. I was gonna
Speaker 3: kind of make a comment going along with what you
Speaker 3: were just saying. I looked at some of the stuff
Speaker 3: that you had sent me, and I think I, like
Speaker 3: I said, I did watch two different shows on one
Speaker 3: or two about it. One of them was a lot
Speaker 3: more of kind of like the history of like the
Speaker 3: House and the Lady, but it can't go too deep.
Speaker 3: And then the other one just went straight in to
Speaker 3: go something. But you know, like the thing with me
Speaker 3: is that I was watching it and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: you said, seance room, you got weird stares going on
Speaker 3: over the place, she got doors opening that, like just
Speaker 3: the wall there, and like we're not gonna get into
Speaker 3: more of this, like we're just gonna kind of breeze
Speaker 3: over that and just go along with like, which I
Speaker 3: think is still interesting. Oh look at the sculptures on
Speaker 3: the one, which still looked a cult to me. But
Speaker 3: it was like we just kind of glazed over the
Speaker 3: sands room.
Speaker 4: I know, I know, and it's like there's a big
Speaker 4: fucking elephant in the room and its name is occultism. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's what I found. But yeah, So the first thing
Speaker 4: I think that is interesting is this bad Boy is
Speaker 4: located in California.
Speaker 5: So much weird shit out there.
Speaker 3: I know. We just like before we covered the Cabala,
Speaker 3: like technically our last series that even the Occult Rejects
Speaker 3: did was on a cult in California.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And she never had ever been to California.
Speaker 4: She grew up in Connecticut and had lived her whole
Speaker 4: life in Connecticut. And then when she decided I'll get
Speaker 4: into why, but she moves to California and builds this
Speaker 4: sucker right in the middle of San Jose, California, and
Speaker 4: it's supposedly one of the most haunted places in America.
Speaker 4: But I don't think ghosts are what they're seeing up
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 3: I can agree with that. Or if it's it's yeah,
Speaker 3: or if they aren't, they're probably not understanding what's making
Speaker 3: that happen? Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's completely bizarre. It's completely bizarre, and it's so
Speaker 4: it's twenty four thousand square feet and it's a Victorian mansion,
Speaker 4: obviously built in the late eighteen hundreds. Staircases to know
Speaker 4: where doors that lead to nowhere. Everyone knows this, but
Speaker 4: now here's where I need your thoughts, feelings, opinions, New York,
Speaker 4: because I noticed that some of the doors open up
Speaker 4: to a thirteen foot drop and there's thirteen bathrooms and
Speaker 4: thirteen steps on each staircase. What do you think about that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, even before when you mentioned how
Speaker 3: much a square foot it had, I had wondered if
Speaker 3: that was like, you know, I broke that down to
Speaker 3: like six twenty four, bit JAMONTI you make that six.
Speaker 3: And then you mentioned thirteen a few times, aiding that
Speaker 3: together you would, uh we would still you'd get four.
Speaker 3: Those are two male like kind of masculine numbers. That
Speaker 3: was just the first thing that came to my mind.
Speaker 3: If I could be wrong, but did the house have
Speaker 3: seven floors before she started working on it, before it
Speaker 3: started collapsing it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a really big farmhouse and she
Speaker 4: basically kept the original structure and just added onto it
Speaker 4: over the years.
Speaker 5: But she spread out said shit down, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the address is five two five, which is
Speaker 4: five that's ten twelve one plus three, so we have
Speaker 4: a three there, and then we have all these thirteen
Speaker 4: foot drop, thirteen bathrooms, thirteen steps on staircase. I mean, like.
Speaker 5: Thirteen that's definitely don't on purpose.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh yeah, even if I can't even reason that,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it has to be. I mean, oh, that's
Speaker 3: stuff that like, I mean, in my opinion, if you
Speaker 3: have a sands room you're into ocultism, probably that's something
Speaker 3: you're gonna do on purpose.
Speaker 4: Well, I hope I can't not bring the fire for
Speaker 4: this episode, so I hope I'm gonna just leave you awestruck.
Speaker 4: But let's continue. Some of the stained glass windows are
Speaker 4: super freaky looking. I don't know, if you've got a
Speaker 4: chance to look.
Speaker 3: At those, the aren't in the house and the art
Speaker 3: and the ground, they're kind of impressive there.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I mean there's the stained glass windows are
Speaker 4: like spider webs, and some of them look like like
Speaker 4: solar systems, and like, what what did you find about
Speaker 4: the strike on the ground.
Speaker 3: A lot of fishes. I mean, no, people may think
Speaker 3: that's silly, but I think that could have like a
Speaker 3: lot of like neither abyss or even type of like
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Even like the Jesus idea in a sense maybe stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh they had like just a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff that seemed like kind of aquatic to me,
Speaker 3: like it might have been common. It's just like the
Speaker 3: thing is is like once I knew who this person
Speaker 3: was into it, I have to stop looking at everything
Speaker 3: like wondering, like you know, the reason for it when
Speaker 3: you're getting into magic. I mean technically, if you're probably
Speaker 3: doing what she thinks she was doing, it would be
Speaker 3: crossing the abyss in a sense or pulling things from it.
Speaker 3: So I thought like a lot of the art could
Speaker 3: actually you know, go along with that type of stuff,
Speaker 3: just in my opinion. Unfortunately, I think if the average
Speaker 3: person looked at it, they probably wouldn't think anything of it.
Speaker 5: There was some of the glass structures that I saw
Speaker 5: inside the house.
Speaker 3: That I don't know who made them. But I hate
Speaker 3: to say it, but I really do think you know,
Speaker 3: back in the day, you look at all these uh,
Speaker 3: all these like churches or all these things are ability.
Speaker 3: It's just like, you know that so much time and
Speaker 3: attention because given to that, and we don't get.
Speaker 5: That anymore with stuff, you know, not really.
Speaker 3: And I do think people, you know, and it always
Speaker 3: seems to be with like spiritual religious stuff. You have
Speaker 3: these big, beautiful monuments made for so sometimes I do
Speaker 3: think like people will put that much time and effort
Speaker 3: into it because uh, it's kind I hate to sound cheesy,
Speaker 3: but it's almost like you kind of receive the download.
Speaker 3: They have an image in their mind and they want
Speaker 3: to replicate it, and they will just stop it nothing
Speaker 3: until it's gone. You know, when you fuck with magic,
Speaker 3: you will be inspired to like do things and create things,
Speaker 3: and either you can make art or you could be
Speaker 3: an asshole in other ways. You know, there's so many
Speaker 3: different ways you can go about it. But I do think,
Speaker 3: like again, just going along with the type of person
Speaker 3: that she was and what I did, you know, find
Speaker 3: out very little about her. I you know, it's like
Speaker 3: it's all to me characteristics of somebody into that stuff.
Speaker 3: Other people, you know, maybe I'm if I'm sure if
Speaker 3: I was like rich or just you know whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: I would probably buy fucking weird looking art because I
Speaker 3: understand what it fucking looks like, you know, or stained
Speaker 3: glass windows because it makes sense to me, and I
Speaker 3: would have that in my house and other people might
Speaker 3: just that's pretty weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And speaking about the stained glass windows, I'm glad
Speaker 4: that you brought that up again because what I found
Speaker 4: was one of the stained glass windows says wide, unclasp
Speaker 4: the tables of their thoughts. And I was thrown off
Speaker 4: by this because it's cryptic as fuck. And then I
Speaker 4: googled it and it's from a Shakespeare play.
Speaker 5: Oh fuck yeah, New York, New York Shakespeare.
Speaker 4: It's a Shakespeare play and Shakespeare said this phrase means
Speaker 4: unbind the seance tables to freely communicate the messages of
Speaker 4: the spirit. Yes, wow, now you tell me what you
Speaker 4: think about that. Why the fuck are you getting that
Speaker 4: on some stained glass windows?
Speaker 3: Well, if you know, we've come across it with the Gess,
Speaker 3: the Order of Quatxicotal and a lot of mason in orders.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think Crowley's even mentioned him, you know the oto. Uh.
Speaker 3: They have Francis Bacon, who is sometimes considered maybe like
Speaker 3: you know, one of the two or three people that
Speaker 3: really was Shakespeare. They do acknowledge Francis Bacon as a saint,
Speaker 3: but a lot of secret societies are very big into Shakespeare.
Speaker 3: They're very influenced by him, my opinion, and this is
Speaker 3: how I think like that. I mean, I do think
Speaker 3: there is an agenda to push weird sexualism and stuff
Speaker 3: like that the world weird identities. But I do think
Speaker 3: there is times where people This is why I think
Speaker 3: is an example with Shakespeare. He was showing archetypes. He
Speaker 3: was actually showing male and female energies changing around. There's
Speaker 3: a fucking whole story going on there that the average
Speaker 3: person doesn't realize, and they're just like, oh, that dude
Speaker 3: looks cool in a women's clothes. I have no friends,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll dress like that.
Speaker 6: People like, hey, they liked him on State, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, and then taking the shit wrong where
Speaker 6: it's like, no, I really was just trying to show
Speaker 6: a feminine energy, influencing, influencing a male with something.
Speaker 3: Like you know, and because you know, Shakespeare, I believe
Speaker 3: was into the occult, so that's exactly what he was
Speaker 3: showing with all that weird shit. So now you're saying
Speaker 3: that she's got a quote in her house. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm by far sold this lady wasn't the ship.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no. And so my
Speaker 4: question to you is, was the millionaire widow Sarah Winchester
Speaker 4: actually a necromancer because there's a lot of evidence to
Speaker 4: support that she was calling up the dead.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, if you're fucking with things from
Speaker 3: the other side, I mean technically, I mean, it's all
Speaker 3: like how you want to look at the wordage. But
Speaker 3: I could see I mean, when you in magic, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, real magic, you're kind of almost going back
Speaker 3: in the past, back back before you were even conceived,
Speaker 3: So you're the spirit if you're even messing with that
Speaker 3: stuff or trying to contact other people. Technically, I mean
Speaker 3: that would be you know, the rebirth or redeath, you
Speaker 3: know it little looks to how you want to look
Speaker 3: at it, where you're actually being birthed, whereas death, same
Speaker 3: thing almost in a sense. So I could see, like
Speaker 3: people saying necromancer like a lot of things I think
Speaker 3: people use in magic, like all these different names, like
Speaker 3: chaos magic. There's no difference in regular magic really or
Speaker 3: thinking making people change their thinking. So like even with necromancing,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's almost like a word to kind of
Speaker 3: explain something that's going on anyway, But if you're doing
Speaker 3: real magic, in my opinion, you would kind of.
Speaker 5: Be talking to the dead in a sense.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so that's this is what.
Speaker 3: In a sense, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's fascinated by it, which is why I think
Speaker 4: she has that Shakespeare quote up there about the seances
Speaker 4: and like. But I did want to tell you a
Speaker 4: little bit about her past so we can kind of
Speaker 4: pull that apart. She was named after her older sister
Speaker 4: who died, and so she replaced her dead sister, Sarah
Speaker 4: as Sarah.
Speaker 5: Did they have the same name or did she just
Speaker 5: take care?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they named their their first daughter Sarah died, and
Speaker 4: then they had they got pregnant again and named her Sarah.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, like named her the same name as her
Speaker 4: dead sister, like replacing her in a way, which I
Speaker 4: felt like it just sounds sinister, Like why would you
Speaker 4: do that, like assume the other sister's identity. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: first Sarah died, so we'll just have another baby and
Speaker 4: we'll name her Sarah too, And it's like weird.
Speaker 3: I mean, also, depending on what her family was into
Speaker 3: I mean, I would think, believe it or not. I
Speaker 3: do think we're like names or specific letters do mean
Speaker 3: stuff in occultism. So they might have stuck with that
Speaker 3: name Sarah because of what it actually kind of represented.
Speaker 3: If they were into that.
Speaker 5: Shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So they might have been hell bent are representing something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the first one didn't work. I guess we'll
Speaker 3: name the next one.
Speaker 4: Well. They were pretty affluent people. They weren't broke by
Speaker 4: any means. And she grew up right next to Yale University,
Speaker 4: and at a very young age she developed an interest
Speaker 4: in Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry.
Speaker 3: That's why you got William Shakespeare's Sure no one ever
Speaker 3: brings that. Uh No, even in the Justice Initiations and
Speaker 3: Quats the Cootal Initiations, they mentioned Shakespeare. Definitely mentioned Shakespeare stuff.
Speaker 4: And actually, I just want to change it for a
Speaker 4: second because there's a new show on Netflix called The Sandman.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wow.
Speaker 4: Have you watched it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I have to rewatch it again.
Speaker 4: But yeah, do you remember when he he finds Shakespeare?
Speaker 3: Wait, was that the part with like his that dude
Speaker 3: that he kept the meeting up with didn't he end
Speaker 3: up like being maybe one or two play kind of
Speaker 3: or he sted He was like a few kind of
Speaker 3: well known people throughout this time. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So basically they were implying that Shakespeare, because of like
Speaker 4: this darkness that he wanted to portray, like the Sandman,
Speaker 4: gave him this gift of it's really dark. I mean
Speaker 4: they mentioned a Uster Crowley in the first episode.
Speaker 3: No, they do, Yes, they do. You're right. That's why
Speaker 3: I put it on actually is because luxtold me, and
Speaker 3: that's why I watched it. I was like, yoh, it
Speaker 3: was like right out the gate and within the first episode.
Speaker 3: You're right they mentioned Crowley.
Speaker 4: Yes, and it was like the one deity that was
Speaker 4: supposed to represent desire. What do you think about that?
Speaker 4: That was like, whoa, that's.
Speaker 5: Hey, it's actually something that I think Luck.
Speaker 3: Said he'd be interested in covering because I actually think
Speaker 3: there's so much shit in that show.
Speaker 4: It's like the game that keeps on giving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he very much. Uh kind of plays like the feminine.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people get could get into
Speaker 3: like a you know, I guess Saturn being more of
Speaker 3: a feminine thing, but like there is a male aspect
Speaker 3: to that as well, and I think he was very
Speaker 3: much symbolizing that. And I quote my eye because it's
Speaker 3: you normally don't see that as often. You know, it's
Speaker 3: normally always like a lot of like I hate to
Speaker 3: say the phrasing of like the scarlet horse type stuff
Speaker 3: or very like it's always like a woman that's like
Speaker 3: controlling the scenario. So I thought it was interesting seeing that,
Speaker 3: And I mean then I've also been kind of seeing
Speaker 3: stuff even in media going the other.
Speaker 7: Direction now, I think anyway, yeah, getting away from left
Speaker 7: pillars stuff, very scarlet horror, feminine energy collapsing in on itself,
Speaker 7: to now are kind of going to an expansive energy.
Speaker 3: Get the Ukraine flag colors, perfect example, male colors green
Speaker 3: still on the male tree, even though the queen was
Speaker 3: wearing it, it's still on the mill side. So you
Speaker 3: get a lot of I see a pendulum swinging, And
Speaker 3: I thought, like that show kind of quote my eye
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, yeah, here's another male aspect
Speaker 3: now instead of a feel.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna throw this out there and you can
Speaker 4: tell me to fuck off New York. But if you
Speaker 4: guys are gonna do a show on the sand Man
Speaker 4: count me the fuck in. I will just and throw
Speaker 4: out a comment every now. I was wondering if you
Speaker 4: saw it though, because it was just like endless amounts
Speaker 4: of like references and like it was so crazy.
Speaker 5: But anyways, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: It's definitely I ever suggested people to watch if they
Speaker 3: want to check it out for a cult symbolism. Yes,
Speaker 3: they do. Suspect that the real William Shakespeare was a
Speaker 3: Rosicrucian too.
Speaker 4: What, Yeah, that would make sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, holy shit, I forgot about that. Yeah, if like
Speaker 3: Francis Bacon was a Rosicrucian too, and like they think
Speaker 3: that he is one of like two or three people
Speaker 3: that was Shakespeare. But regardless, there was a lot pointing
Speaker 3: back to him being a Rosicrucian, just in some of
Speaker 3: his books. I mean he has like shit in there.
Speaker 5: It's just like literally like shit that matches up with Rosicrucion.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're not the first person who's actually told
Speaker 4: me that. So it's like coming full circle. Everything's like
Speaker 4: a spiderweb. So Sarah Winchester is into Residicrucianism and Freemasonry,
Speaker 4: and at the age twenty three, she married a family
Speaker 4: friend named William Winchester. Two years later, after she marries
Speaker 4: William Winchester, she has a daughter born June fifteenth, eighteen
Speaker 4: sixty six.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, what was the date again?
Speaker 4: June which is a six? Yeah, fifteenth, which is a six.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, eighteen sixty six, so you got.
Speaker 3: You got six six, and then that would be seven twelve.
Speaker 5: Nineteen, damn, I don't know what that ten and bring
Speaker 5: down the one.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Uh, that is interesting though. The first
Speaker 3: two is six six.
Speaker 4: And then sixty six.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh no, I'm sorry, that would be nine,
Speaker 3: and then twelve. There'd be twenty one to three, so
Speaker 3: you get six six and then three.
Speaker 4: I just thought that was so weird. William right, yeah,
Speaker 4: William Winchester, and then she marries him has a daughter
Speaker 4: named Annie. And the sixes was weird because I was like,
Speaker 4: if this it is eighteen sixty six, but it's like
Speaker 4: weird because the baby mysteriously dies one month later? Wow?
Speaker 3: Really mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, d for that, there is exactly one month.
Speaker 4: It said in July of eighteen sixty six, one month
Speaker 4: after she died mysteriously, and it didn't give it the
Speaker 4: date that she died, but it just said a one
Speaker 4: month later in July, and I guess she was so
Speaker 4: destroyed by it, like they decided not to have any
Speaker 4: more children, but instead they just devote every waking minute
Speaker 4: of their lives into guns. And so at that time,
Speaker 4: soldiers are still using single shot carbines, meaning like every
Speaker 4: single time they fired the gun, they have to stop
Speaker 4: and reload, and as you can imagine, this was a
Speaker 4: waste of fucking time, especially like if you're in the
Speaker 4: middle of like a ward, stopping to like reload every
Speaker 4: time you shoot your gun.
Speaker 3: Well, you know it something I do want to add
Speaker 3: real quick before you get going, and I forget. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it may not be anything, but the daughter you said
Speaker 3: was June fifteenth, eighteen sixty six, that would have been
Speaker 3: when she died. Would have been more than likely when
Speaker 3: she was born. She was probably born in Gemini. When
Speaker 3: she died, it was more than likely if it was
Speaker 3: a month later, that was cancer. I mean, the only
Speaker 3: weird about that I'm thinking is because especially with freemasonry,
Speaker 3: at the top of the pillar, you have a cancer
Speaker 3: symbol on a lot of them, and they kind of
Speaker 3: like cancer can also be kind of like the keyhole
Speaker 3: of like how you escape the matrix citizens, oh, break
Speaker 3: out of the system. So I don't know, like, you know,
Speaker 3: that would be coming out of the flesh, experiencing magic,
Speaker 3: you know, baking out the system. So I don't know
Speaker 3: if there's anything there. I mean, I hate to even
Speaker 3: come up with like a weird thing about that.
Speaker 5: Maybe she was supposed to who knows, But it is.
Speaker 4: Weird though that she's surrounded by death, like she replaced
Speaker 4: her dead sister, She gets pregnant, baby dies, like she's
Speaker 4: so high it like she don't even want to have
Speaker 4: kids anymore after that, and there's a lot more death
Speaker 4: that surrounds her. But I don't want to jump the
Speaker 4: gun haha, punited that, Okay. So William Winchester's father, Oliver,
Speaker 4: buys out a bankrupt revolver company and heires mechanics to
Speaker 4: create the world's first repeating rifle. And it said that
Speaker 4: this gun was super fucking fast. It could fire off
Speaker 4: fifteen shots in ten seconds, and so less than a
Speaker 4: decade later, the Winchester rifle is an icon of the West.
Speaker 4: In the family's wealth X blodes, they become extremely wealthy,
Speaker 4: and so over the next couple of years, Sarah has
Speaker 4: a bunch of like weird deaths pop up in her life.
Speaker 4: Her mom, her father in law, and then her husband,
Speaker 4: William Winchester himself dies of tuberculosis. So her daughter, her mom,
Speaker 4: her father in law, and her husband die within like
Speaker 4: a five or six year period.
Speaker 5: Oo, it sounds so special.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, he this
Speaker 4: is why I say, like, if you're surrounded by death
Speaker 4: just like constantly, and then you're named after a dead
Speaker 4: person and I don't know New York like that just
Speaker 4: it gives me the he be gbs.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know, no, I yeah, because then I
Speaker 3: started like going and thinking of like weird shit, because
Speaker 3: like you know, I do believe people like kind of
Speaker 3: like born for certain reasons when it comes.
Speaker 5: You know, when you get into sick shit.
Speaker 3: It's just like, I mean, I hate to say, but
Speaker 3: when you see that much death.
Speaker 5: Or any that's so wondering, like how much was.
Speaker 3: It like supposed to happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, of sacrifices, I hate to say it. Who yeah,
Speaker 5: And to.
Speaker 4: Think of their their invention the repeating rifle, like damn
Speaker 4: you know that's a death machine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know that would be very much like
Speaker 3: on the beast side of things, you know, like like
Speaker 3: a lot of like other reasons why I've been thinking
Speaker 3: we might be heading that way. Is even just the
Speaker 3: shit with Elon Musk and with the rockets, it's very
Speaker 3: like I mean, it's fucking dick firing off. It's very
Speaker 3: explosive energy. It's complete opposite side of the left side,
Speaker 3: raw explosive energy. So like we're seeing rockets, I mean
Speaker 3: I would consider that's the same shit. Yeah, oh, I
Speaker 3: mean look at you even on Skinwalker Ranch. You got
Speaker 3: them shooting rockets up too. I mean, everybody's representing this
Speaker 3: phallic energy that has to do with weird shit.
Speaker 4: Yes, no, that is a good point. That is a
Speaker 4: really good point.
Speaker 3: So I would even look at the gun as possibly
Speaker 3: even being like, you know, representation of we're playing that
Speaker 3: side of it now.
Speaker 4: Who knows, Oh yeah, definitely. But as the story goes,
Speaker 4: after William Winchester's death, she becomes a recluse and she
Speaker 4: just sits in her house in Connecticut. She's inconsolable for years,
Speaker 4: and what she's doing during this time is a fucking mystery.
Speaker 4: No one knows for sure, And then she pops up
Speaker 4: all of a sudden in eighteen eighty five, out of
Speaker 4: the blue and just heads to California like inconsolable recluse.
Speaker 4: No one knows what's going on with her. It's a
Speaker 4: total mystery. Wakes up one day, I'm moving to California,
Speaker 4: and so she bought her house right right because she
Speaker 4: gets in touch with this guy named Ed Rambo who
Speaker 4: is an old business associate of her dead.
Speaker 3: Wait his name is Ed Rambo?
Speaker 1: Was he?
Speaker 3: And CALLI? Yes? Oh fuck, that's so well. I think
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, you know what. So there was
Speaker 3: I forgot where I was covering it. Fuck, I could
Speaker 3: be wrong.
Speaker 5: I may not be California.
Speaker 3: There was a thing that we came across when we're
Speaker 3: covering the Order of Quasic Hootal And I could be wrong,
Speaker 3: but I thought it was like a Balboa Park in California,
Speaker 3: and it just seems very like I had all this
Speaker 3: occult structure there and it was just like really weird.
Speaker 3: And I started even thinking about, like, you know, as
Speaker 3: crazy as it sounds, I'm like, well, Rocky Balbo, I'm
Speaker 3: like looking at his movies now, but whatever, But I
Speaker 3: just think it's it's funny if ifs Rambo and Balbo.
Speaker 4: Know, the name stuck out to me because I was
Speaker 4: like ed Rambo. I was like, this is so funny.
Speaker 3: I was like, is this what Stallone got all these
Speaker 3: names from?
Speaker 4: That would be he bought up so he and he
Speaker 4: was involved with the Winchester family because he was like
Speaker 4: a longtime friend of the family and that's why she
Speaker 4: reached out to him as was she said like, hey,
Speaker 4: I need your help. I want to move to California
Speaker 4: and buy a house. And so he took her to
Speaker 4: like this desolate area that was considered to be at
Speaker 4: the time like an untouched frontier and it was a
Speaker 4: forty five acre ranch surrounded by fruit farms. At the time,
Speaker 4: the farmhouse was just an eight bedroom house and it
Speaker 4: was like kind of dilapidated. Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: They said there was like levels that were like kind
Speaker 3: of like ruins just from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just dilapidated piece of shit. And she
Speaker 4: kept yeah it was. She kept the original structure though,
Speaker 4: and just started building onto it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was like a money pit, but she
Speaker 3: had the money to throw at it and then she
Speaker 3: made it into something.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, that and whether it be mental illness or
Speaker 4: she was conjuring up some shit. I mean, she built
Speaker 4: off of that dilapidated structure. So she hires a construction
Speaker 4: team and she designs the remodel herself. Now here's the
Speaker 4: part you were waiting for.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, the plans, right.
Speaker 4: Her plans have zero logic and the workers were never
Speaker 4: given architectural blueprints, only Sarah's rough sketches that she channeled. Oh,
Speaker 4: she would just show up one day with a sketchbook
Speaker 4: and she would say, I channeled this, and this is
Speaker 4: what the room is supposed to look like.
Speaker 3: I can't believe she even told the workers that she
Speaker 3: even show you know, it's good enough that you handed
Speaker 3: on fucking you know artwork, can say make this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, her servants went to their fucking graves, zipped lips.
Speaker 4: They never said a fucking word about what went on
Speaker 4: in that mansion a fucking word.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's I mean, just from the stuff that I've seen,
Speaker 3: it's like tons of weird architecture in that.
Speaker 5: Fucking you got like staircases like going all over the place,
Speaker 5: right mm hm, Well they have them like leading to
Speaker 5: nowhere in some parts.
Speaker 4: Too, yeah, leading to nowhere. And so by the end
Speaker 4: of it, the house has one hundred and sixty rooms,
Speaker 4: including forty bedrooms, forty staircases, thirteen bathrooms, six kitchens, ten
Speaker 4: thousand windows, two thousand doors, fifty two skylights, forty seven fireplaces,
Speaker 4: three elevators, two basements, and only one shower.
Speaker 5: And you said, you said one thousand, what things of windows?
Speaker 4: Ten thousand windows, and.
Speaker 5: Then you said something two thousand or two something.
Speaker 4: Two thousand doors.
Speaker 3: Two thousand doors. See, that's weird because like today we
Speaker 3: were covering the Kabbala me and Lox and on the
Speaker 3: first I would consider, well, Cather would be the first
Speaker 3: sphere which I could maybe see that's why there was
Speaker 3: so many fucking windows, even though this is a one.
Speaker 5: Oh those zeros don't really matter, it's just the one
Speaker 5: is there.
Speaker 3: There's this there's a guy now that falls on the
Speaker 3: second sphere called Chokma and his name is Jennie.
Speaker 5: And you could see him depicted with two heads.
Speaker 3: One looking one way, one looking the other way, and
Speaker 3: it was almost as if he is like a door.
Speaker 3: Sometimes he will staying with that key in his hand,
Speaker 3: and he is on the second sphere. So I'm wondering
Speaker 3: if that's why there's that many doorways to represent.
Speaker 4: Who was on the fourth sphere.
Speaker 3: That would be another male god. You could say maybe
Speaker 3: Zeus or.
Speaker 5: I'd have to look at us and maybe Thoor might
Speaker 5: even fit there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because forty bedrooms a moonrah.
Speaker 8: I mean you know that's yeah, forty bedrooms, forty staircases,
Speaker 8: forty seven fireplaces, So.
Speaker 3: I mean you can actually release something. Was there a
Speaker 3: three in there at all? Or A seven?
Speaker 4: Thirteen bathrooms, six kitchens, six kitchens, two basements, three elevators.
Speaker 3: Three elevators.
Speaker 4: Okay, we three elevators. I don't know why you'd have
Speaker 4: forty fucking bedrooms in only one shower, but I guess.
Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting. This could be a stretch.
Speaker 3: But the sixth sphere in the tree, well, a lot
Speaker 3: of the spears all connect to that. And when you're
Speaker 3: in the kitchen, you're putting a whole bunch of shit
Speaker 3: together and making something out of it. I mean, that
Speaker 3: could be, but I'm gonna tell you occult this will
Speaker 3: think like that though, especially if like, look at this
Speaker 3: lady has worked on her house since the day she
Speaker 3: had it, so the day she died, right, she was
Speaker 3: always doing something with it. Did the lady? On my opinion,
Speaker 3: was burnt the fuck out from magic, like fucking with
Speaker 3: it too much, has too much going on in her head,
Speaker 3: and she's just constantly needs to do something mm hmm.
Speaker 3: She's probably like kind of like half lust and it's
Speaker 3: just taking a cult concepts and like I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: build it in my house mm hmm. And it's crazy
Speaker 3: because people get fucked up like that.
Speaker 4: Get this shit. New York the townspeople described her as
Speaker 4: fucking bizarre as fuck, and they said they said she dressed, Yeah,
Speaker 4: she dressed in all black, wore black gloves, in a
Speaker 4: black veil covering her face.
Speaker 3: Well, that would be the black. The first feminine energy
Speaker 3: that comes into the Cabala's black. It's the black sear Banah,
Speaker 3: that's the first time. That's like the you know, all
Speaker 3: almighty feminine energy would be black. If she wanted to
Speaker 3: dress the black purple.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. So this visually was into some dark shit.
Speaker 4: I knew it.
Speaker 3: Saturn and gets a lot of black, you know, black brown.
Speaker 4: Yeah. She never invited anyone over and the only people
Speaker 4: besides Sarah herself allowed in the house were her workers
Speaker 4: and the servants, which carried the secrets to their deaths.
Speaker 4: Of what went on in that house. Nobody ever talked
Speaker 4: about it, and even Teddy Roosevelt came to her home
Speaker 4: specifically made the trip just to see her, and she
Speaker 4: refused to let him in the house.
Speaker 3: What did he go to see her for?
Speaker 4: He said he was a gun lover and wanted to
Speaker 4: meet the heiress of the Winchester rifle family fortune. Whatever
Speaker 4: he wanted to meet her, goes all the way to
Speaker 4: San Jose to meet her. Wouldn't let him in the
Speaker 4: fucking gate.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just find a way that the I
Speaker 3: don't know. Sometimes I don't think people are as naive
Speaker 3: as they are, So I just don't like, why would.
Speaker 5: The president even want to go see her?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 3: Like, you have no idea someone who should know the
Speaker 3: you know all this intelligence about the country you're in,
Speaker 3: you don't know this lady's weird before you saw heading there.
Speaker 4: It's like one day he was sitting there and he
Speaker 4: told Eleanor He's like, you know that old lady that
Speaker 4: wears the black veil around town, has all those servants
Speaker 4: in her house been building on the house constantly for
Speaker 4: the past fifteen I want to go visit her and
Speaker 4: see what she's doing. Break some bread, have some coffee. No,
Speaker 4: this is not happening, Like there's there is something that's
Speaker 4: not being said here about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think him going to the house
Speaker 3: is very fucking weird.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, it is fucking weird. But so I'm sure
Speaker 4: you found this while you were watching videos or whatever.
Speaker 4: But there was like a humongous earthquake that destroyed.
Speaker 3: Like the house, yes, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And it was so fucked that the workers were like, oh,
Speaker 4: we gotta start over, like there's no way we can't
Speaker 4: save this, and she was like, oh no, we're gonna
Speaker 4: save it. And she literally had everything reconstructed after the earthquake,
Speaker 4: and she did not start over, like she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is perfect. We'll just keep remodeling, remodeling, remodeling, We'll
Speaker 4: just fix everything. And construction literally never stopped until she died.
Speaker 4: And she would say like, if I stop working on
Speaker 4: the house, then I'll die. And in nineteen ten, when
Speaker 4: the construction slowed down, her health did take a turn
Speaker 4: for the worse, and then by the fall of nineteen
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen twenty two, she's barely hanging on by a thread.
Speaker 4: Makes all the arrangements for her will and then dies
Speaker 4: September fifth, nineteen twenty two, in her sleep.
Speaker 5: That's wild, that's actually I mean that as soon as
Speaker 5: she stopped working on the house and health.
Speaker 4: Went yeah, and then she died.
Speaker 3: And what was what was the September What was it?
Speaker 4: September fifth, nineteen twenty two.
Speaker 5: Maybe interesting else happened on that time? Oh well, the
Speaker 5: smooth day was too of the week.
Speaker 3: It might be interesting.
Speaker 4: Friday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh uh is that you that I told you
Speaker 3: that it was a lot of weird Friday. I noticed
Speaker 3: a lot of weird stuff with that. With a guest
Speaker 3: I had on one time.
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: She was doing a lot of Susan Mary Fine art.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know who she is.
Speaker 3: She has an Instagram account kind of big. She doesn't
Speaker 3: Jumatria a lot. And uh, we had around.
Speaker 5: The occult rejects and she started having.
Speaker 3: You know, the commonalities. We started noticing, or I did,
Speaker 3: because I started looking at some of the dates that
Speaker 3: she was showing for people, and I was like, do
Speaker 3: you realize a lot of these people all died on Fridays?
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck's up with that?
Speaker 5: But uh, now this was on a Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Fuck that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I told you, even after she dies,
Speaker 4: the servants won't fucking utter a word. And then this
Speaker 4: amusement park owner John Brown buys the house after Sarah's
Speaker 4: death and turns it into the tourist attraction that everyone
Speaker 4: sees today. But so nobody knew what the house looked
Speaker 4: like on the inside because nobody was ever allowed to
Speaker 4: fucking go in there, and the servants and people who
Speaker 4: worked there would not spill any tea. So until he
Speaker 4: turned it into a tourist attraction, nobody knew like what
Speaker 4: was really going on in there. Everyone is fixated on
Speaker 4: this seance room, right, And here's the details on the
Speaker 4: seance room. It has three doors to get in, but
Speaker 4: only one door to get out, So one of the
Speaker 4: doors is the exit. One door takes you down a
Speaker 4: narrow passageway to a closet, and the other door drops
Speaker 4: you eight feet into the kitchen below rops you eight
Speaker 4: feet Yes, and this is the seance room. Three ways
Speaker 4: to get in, only one way to get out. Once
Speaker 4: you get in there, one door takes you drops you
Speaker 4: eight feet down into the kitchen. The other door takes
Speaker 4: you down a narrow ass passage all the way down
Speaker 4: to a fucking empty closet.
Speaker 3: Oh I remember seeing that.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Actually yes, I'm pointing that out, Like it was like
Speaker 3: this along the whole way. Is there everything like steps
Speaker 3: involved in that and just like went down to like nothing.
Speaker 4: It just went down to like an empty closet. Like
Speaker 4: literally it was weird. And so have you watched watched
Speaker 4: Have you listened to my Laurel Canyon Part one?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, I have not.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, in that episode.
Speaker 3: Actually so much fucking crazy shit over there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So in that episode I mentioned a little
Speaker 4: something about Harry Houdini being involved in weird shit that
Speaker 4: goes on in Laurel Canyon, and Harry Houdini himself was
Speaker 4: invited for a private tour of the house and was
Speaker 4: invited to conduct a seance in the house. Wow, a
Speaker 4: private seance. He goes to this closet of Sarah Winchester's robes,
Speaker 4: and according to Houdini, she used a different robe for
Speaker 4: each spirit that she spoke to. Yeah, does this make
Speaker 4: any sense to you, because I'm drawing a blank on
Speaker 4: why she would have done that.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, I believe it. When I used to practice
Speaker 3: depending on what day, or what energy I was working
Speaker 3: with would determine what I'm probably wearing over my shit.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna try to match colors to a
Speaker 3: certain extent, or I might just use like a regular
Speaker 3: you know, you can always you can always just go
Speaker 3: with the plain black or plain white, which have a
Speaker 3: way you're feeling. But I mean I.
Speaker 5: Had extra stuff where I'd have it on to match.
Speaker 3: Like if I was, say I wanted to do something
Speaker 3: on a Thursday, I might make sure I have blue
Speaker 3: on me somewhere because Thursday or Jupiter, or it could
Speaker 3: go for like the sphere of chess set. If I
Speaker 3: was even just dealing with cabalistic stuff, I could even
Speaker 3: choose blue to go with that, or you know, maybe
Speaker 3: purple blue.
Speaker 4: Would fit well, so this would make sense.
Speaker 3: Then if oh yeah, yeah, that's that's when you want
Speaker 3: to get extra or if you're getting very specific, very
Speaker 3: specific on stuff. It's kind of like when you want
Speaker 3: to get more specific with with stuff in magic, It's
Speaker 3: almost like you're gonna have extra things to get to
Speaker 3: mean specific like elements or aspects or or or a
Speaker 3: lot of times you could also be a lot of
Speaker 3: just mental connection, you know what I'm saying, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I have a red candle. The red candle may not
Speaker 3: be doing anything, but in your mind, the red candle
Speaker 3: represents something. It represents what you're doing. So sometimes you'll
Speaker 3: even have a lot of that overlaid just for the
Speaker 3: fucking mind.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Then well no, I would totally say that that that
Speaker 3: is normal if they're probably serious in what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I totally would see that.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: Also in the Gaistia, I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 5: heard the Gayshia.
Speaker 3: That is like a book of seventy two demons that
Speaker 3: you will have to uh that that you can raise
Speaker 3: and kind of bind in a triangle and take control
Speaker 3: of it and you know, supposedly get stuff out of
Speaker 3: it or whatever. Each one of those all have their
Speaker 3: specific signs and all like their little things that are different.
Speaker 3: So you know, I depending on how this person was
Speaker 3: looking at her, I mean, that could be a perfect
Speaker 3: example if she was working with that stuff. Every time
Speaker 3: she worked with a specific demon, she would have a
Speaker 3: different outfit as well, in different things.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck.
Speaker 3: Like, because like you're because what you're also gonna do
Speaker 3: is you're gonna go in front of it with its sigil,
Speaker 3: saying like, I'm controlling you as well. So you know,
Speaker 3: if a person is just looking at a design that
Speaker 3: you're wearing on your shirt and doesn't fully understand it,
Speaker 3: they could still consider that different outfits where it's like,
Speaker 3: well it's maybe the same row. I just got a
Speaker 3: different fucking sign on that. You know what I'm saying, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Because you had, because there's that specific.
Speaker 3: They have their own signs and you got to use
Speaker 3: their own ship to some you know, evoke them.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: See that's what I'm talking about, New York. I knew
Speaker 4: you were to have on this fucking episode. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: makes so much sense. Okay, now your thoughts on a
Speaker 4: place called the Hall of Fires. It's literally a corridor.
Speaker 4: You open the door and it's got four fireplaces in it.
Speaker 4: That's it. What do you think about this? Four specific
Speaker 4: fireplaces and yeah, corridor.
Speaker 3: For would go back to again. That is the on
Speaker 3: the Kabolatry of Life. First three spheres. I found the
Speaker 3: same on Troum interesting because you said it had three
Speaker 3: this the top of the tree. The first three spheres
Speaker 3: are all in the spirit form for the most part.
Speaker 3: The third one is kind of like half in and
Speaker 3: half out. That's the spirit kind of world being birthed
Speaker 3: into this world, or vice versa. But the first three
Speaker 3: really are of like spirit and out of body. So
Speaker 3: I can see the seance room having three associated with it.
Speaker 3: Now the four now, the third sphere would be the
Speaker 3: feminine energy that burts you into this world. The first
Speaker 3: masculine sphere is going to be number four and fire.
Speaker 3: You get fire and air is for male, and you
Speaker 3: have a water and earth for female when it comes
Speaker 3: to representing stuff, So the four fires I could see
Speaker 3: maybe representing that in a sense. You know, Chess said, males,
Speaker 3: you maal.
Speaker 4: You know what they said? She fucking used it for
Speaker 4: what to dry her laundry? My ass, Come on, New York,
Speaker 4: you're looking at me crazy, like that's even that's preposterous
Speaker 4: that she used it to dry the laundry.
Speaker 3: But again, the crazy thing is is that to her,
Speaker 3: she would just be like, oh, I'm drying my laundry
Speaker 3: and it's representing a fucking this something occult to me,
Speaker 3: Like yo, it could be that fucking she could have
Speaker 3: been that off, you could really, I mean, I hope not.
Speaker 3: I just hope that's just a bad excuse of what
Speaker 3: she was using.
Speaker 4: A horrible excuse.
Speaker 3: But the long hallway that yeah, it's even like again
Speaker 3: almost a phallic symbol, you know what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, now that that's what I was.
Speaker 3: She could have even like, well, you know, that could
Speaker 3: have been like a fucking what I was even gonna say,
Speaker 3: like that long hallway even going.
Speaker 5: To like a cabin or whatever you said, closet.
Speaker 3: These things could have been alters of shrines, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, that whole way with the four fucking things,
Speaker 3: that could have been like a specific Now if I
Speaker 3: was rich, I guess, you know, and I was still practicing,
Speaker 3: this is what I would do. Like I was saying before,
Speaker 3: when I worked with certain spheres on the tree, I
Speaker 3: had certain things that would go with it, certain colors,
Speaker 3: this and that. I guess if I had the money,
Speaker 3: you know, I instead of setting up a different altar
Speaker 3: every time I want to change it, I just would
Speaker 3: you know, make one and leave it and maybe go
Speaker 3: have another room and put my other one in there,
Speaker 3: you know, so I could just keep building upon it
Speaker 3: and never take it down. That could have been specifically
Speaker 3: like like me just for that sphere, for those experiences,
Speaker 3: for that stuff with the aballa, that room could have
Speaker 3: just been whenever she wanted to work with chess.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, because that's I'm just getting like things that
Speaker 3: I could see as being a magician, Like if you
Speaker 3: had money, things that would make it easier for you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you wanted to be extra.
Speaker 4: You know, she had endless amounts of money. And I
Speaker 4: mean psychics and mediums and people have been in there
Speaker 4: and they say they detect a lot of demonic activity.
Speaker 4: But the one thing I wanted to end it with
Speaker 4: is that, or not ended with. But this is a
Speaker 4: closing thought for like the part about her. After William died,
Speaker 4: Sarah goes to this Boston medium named Adam Coons and
Speaker 4: asked him to summon William's spirit And basically this Adam
Speaker 4: Kuhns conveyed messages to Sarah from William, one of them
Speaker 4: being a warning, and William said that Sarah was in
Speaker 4: great danger and she would be forever haunted by the
Speaker 4: spirits of every soul killed by the Winchester rifle unless
Speaker 4: she built them a home a vessel. And some even
Speaker 4: say that the way Sarah designed the home was to
Speaker 4: act as a laborateth to confuse the spirits so they
Speaker 4: would not be able to find her your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, I mean, I mean I can see that
Speaker 5: making sense. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I was just thinking before too. You know,
Speaker 3: I mentioned the gaatia. I could see maybe using some
Speaker 3: of those things in there to have conversations with the
Speaker 3: other side as well. So you know, I'm wondering, like now,
Speaker 3: really wondering what she kind of maybe fucking with you
Speaker 3: fucked up entities to do what she was doing.
Speaker 4: I think she will.
Speaker 3: Uh. And if you were and I guess, if I guess,
Speaker 3: if structure does have some sort of an influence on
Speaker 3: these entities, I mean, it would totally make sense. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess I'd be trying to confuse the fuck out.
Speaker 3: I mean, I need some sleep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, think of it. It really is like a laborateth,
Speaker 4: like you go up a staircase and fu ceiling or
Speaker 4: something like weird shit like, oh, I'm just gonna open
Speaker 4: this door twenty foot drop to your death on the sidewalk.
Speaker 3: Yo. It wasn't there one going out like the side
Speaker 3: of the house.
Speaker 4: Yes, And it looked like it would have just been
Speaker 4: a bathroom or something.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I forgot about it that. She cracked me
Speaker 5: up when I saw that kill.
Speaker 2: There's a door on the fucking outside, Yes, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't locked, you could just open it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, could you imagine walking the fuck
Speaker 3: out of it?
Speaker 4: Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Oh, how did you how did they die? Well, they
Speaker 4: were at Sarah Winchester's house and they had to take
Speaker 4: a shit and they ended up opening a door in
Speaker 4: the hallway that just went right outside and they splattered
Speaker 4: themselves on the sidewalk. The fuck.
Speaker 3: No, that reminds me of it. I don't know where
Speaker 3: this show took place. I hope you maybe you know
Speaker 3: what the name you remember this, but you probably don't.
Speaker 3: It was a really shitty movie. Do you remember nothing
Speaker 3: but trouble?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Didn't it have Chevy cha?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And they were they were like in some weird house.
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering where it took place. Uh, it's like
Speaker 3: some kind of like like they went to.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Dan Ackroyd was like the judge.
Speaker 5: Oh, he played like a bunch of different people.
Speaker 3: But somehow like him. And uh, I forgot this chick's name, Uh,
Speaker 3: Demi moore him and Demi Moore end up like Chivy
Speaker 3: Chase and Demi Moore end up in front of uh
Speaker 3: dan Ackroyd as like a judge and like they're trying
Speaker 3: to break out of the fucking place and it's like
Speaker 3: all these weird like amazing ship inside the whole house
Speaker 3: to get out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was weird movies. And there was like some
Speaker 4: weird hot dog train.
Speaker 3: That was disgusting.
Speaker 4: It was like a weird hang out.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm trying to I think it might have
Speaker 3: taken place take like around New York. So I was
Speaker 3: just wondering, like, yo, imagine this shit's like this took
Speaker 3: place over in California near the same.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't fucking surprise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think so, but I did check though.
Speaker 3: It was interesting. Just popped into my head.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, my mom was obsessed with that movie and
Speaker 4: we laughed at the same like five parts over and
Speaker 4: over again. Yeah. But my final little snippet that I
Speaker 4: have here is about that dude named Aiden Sinclair who
Speaker 4: is putting on magic shows at the Mansion to this day,
Speaker 4: and he calls himself an illusionist. But my question, first off,
Speaker 4: is Sinclair as in the same Sinclair's that trace their
Speaker 4: bloodline back through the Saint Clair family, being descendants of
Speaker 4: Jesus and Mary Magdalen Wow and Claire the Illusionist in
Speaker 4: the Winchester Mansion.
Speaker 3: See sometimes like I wonder, like, all right with the house?
Speaker 3: I mean, is it part of the architecture in what
Speaker 3: she was doing inside the house?
Speaker 5: Could it be a mixture of that.
Speaker 3: In lay lines or maybe something specific with that area?
Speaker 3: Is this some sort of maybe almost like magnetic.
Speaker 5: Field that if you were defeated, helps.
Speaker 3: It create things that you know, So that could all
Speaker 3: be there, So like other people could probably go there
Speaker 3: and if they understand what they're doing, kind of take
Speaker 3: advantage of like maybe a hotspot, Like I.
Speaker 4: Think about it in New York, she could have fucking
Speaker 4: open up a portal in that motherfucker. And just as
Speaker 4: a side note, this Sinclair family, who traces their bloodline
Speaker 4: back through the Saint Clair's were a part of the
Speaker 4: priory of Sion who practiced her metic black magic. Think
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I listen. I mean, if I was
Speaker 3: to have goes to Wuipment and hours to go there,
Speaker 3: I'd be doing it completely different than everybody else because
Speaker 3: I'd be expecting to be finding shit, and I'd probably
Speaker 3: do shit to try to get it to come out.
Speaker 3: But I'm pretty sure that there is residual energy in
Speaker 3: places like those. That's why I was trying to get
Speaker 3: out before neither from things that they've done.
Speaker 5: Was it already predisposed from where it.
Speaker 3: Was built, how the house is built, and you could
Speaker 3: just never change it unless you're to break it down
Speaker 3: because of the geometry, you know, whatever reason. I do
Speaker 3: think that, like, uh, I even think, like totally honest
Speaker 3: with you, like, all right, I put it this way.
Speaker 3: If Zach Beggins ends up this and then yeah, there's
Speaker 3: some fucking weird occult ism probably going on because he
Speaker 3: just has been there. Oh how's you go?
Speaker 4: Oh no, he's already been there.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck yo, Yo, seriously, I do watch his shit
Speaker 3: and I but I you know, and I'll knock him too.
Speaker 3: He's very good at what he does. I just don't
Speaker 3: really can't. I think it's horrible, but he is good
Speaker 3: at what he does. But I think, honestly, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: I do think he's into the occult and this is
Speaker 3: why this places he chooses to go because he thinks
Speaker 3: it's a hot spot or what I was getting at
Speaker 3: me as a magician, I would go to these places
Speaker 3: maybe knowing that if I feed it a little bit something,
Speaker 3: can I get a reaction as well?
Speaker 5: Or can I manifest something as well? So I do
Speaker 5: think you have magicians out.
Speaker 3: There showing you paranormal silly shit, but they're actually neither
Speaker 3: hoping they find something or they're trying to use that
Speaker 3: area to create something. And let's just eve can get
Speaker 3: on film, you know?
Speaker 4: Oh yes, And I've always said, like Zach from Ghost Adventures,
Speaker 4: like could they not have found a more attractive guy?
Speaker 4: Like they had to put this ugly motherfucker up? Was
Speaker 4: there even an interview with this guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? When he was younger, at least he looked like
Speaker 3: he was. Well. Then again, I mean to me, it
Speaker 3: was obvious he was juiced up, but like, at least
Speaker 3: younger he was in better shape. But even then, I
Speaker 3: guess if women realized he was like kind of a juice,
Speaker 3: that might have still not have helped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a two out of ten. So I
Speaker 4: don't know, I've never I've never liked it, but the
Speaker 4: show was cool for what it.
Speaker 3: Is obviously, Oh yeah, it's entertainment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just entertainment, not retarded. It's funny.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh, we don't want to go in there.
Speaker 3: And Aaron, you know, really always in areas. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: has the He's the most like animated, comical like person
Speaker 3: I think in that field.
Speaker 4: Really Okay, So what do you think about The Dead
Speaker 4: Files with Amy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sons so many memes. I love the eyes. I
Speaker 3: love the eyes. She's got crazy eyes. But you know what,
Speaker 3: I think she's legit. I do too, Yeah, well, and
Speaker 3: you know legit where she I think she understands magic
Speaker 3: for sure. I think she can pick up things. Now,
Speaker 3: how theatrical is she? I don't know that, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know to the degree of that, but I
Speaker 3: definitely do think that woman she's legit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always loved The Dead five.
Speaker 3: I mean even I forgot who did I I saw
Speaker 3: somebody some other show had the dude from The Dead
Speaker 3: Files on for like a two minute guest and it
Speaker 3: was like this other show that's only been out for
Speaker 3: a few years. I'm like, you know, so it was
Speaker 3: just kind of funny, how like they even busted his chops,
Speaker 3: Like yo, you guys have been out of for so long,
Speaker 3: but just never got that break. If you really think
Speaker 3: about it, they're actually out of all those shows, they
Speaker 3: really aren't. They kind of are like the most least
Speaker 3: known in my.
Speaker 5: Opinion, And I wonder because is it, you know, maybe like.
Speaker 3: She's a little bit legit and unless she unless she
Speaker 3: kind of picks a team, she just won't get anywhere.
Speaker 4: I don't know why more people aren't watching that as
Speaker 4: opposed to Ghost Adventures, because I feel like the stuff
Speaker 4: that she finds is way more.
Speaker 3: I've actually thought about trying to contact the guys, you know,
Speaker 3: if I can get them on my Showlder.
Speaker 4: The investigator, the detective. Yeah, he's really like no nonsense
Speaker 4: kind of guy, Like he'll go.
Speaker 3: I just think it would sound funny that both of us,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, But and just
Speaker 3: to hear like, because I'm sure there's like this stuff
Speaker 3: that just maybe didn't make the show that he could
Speaker 3: still talk about, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, think about like what you do for
Speaker 4: a living as you travel around with the psychic medium,
Speaker 4: going to haunted houses talking to people, then you find
Speaker 4: out it's all real death certificates, stuff about the property,
Speaker 4: and like it for me. It's just how could he not,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. Maybe he does believe in it,
Speaker 4: maybe he doesn't. He always says he's like a skeptic
Speaker 4: or whatever. But I would be two episodes in and
Speaker 4: be full sold out like believer, like yes, this woman
Speaker 4: is seeing some shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I mean, you can even put it as easy as this.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is a like I don't
Speaker 3: picture myself like going this serious, but eventually, hopefully by
Speaker 3: next year, I do plan on buying some paranormal equipment
Speaker 3: because I do actually want to try to like prove
Speaker 3: in certain ways magic, you know. And if I had
Speaker 3: that type of stuff, I mean, and people told me,
Speaker 3: like if I had the equipment, like serious equipment, and
Speaker 3: if people told me like listen, you know, I think
Speaker 3: my house might be wanted or there's something weird going on,
Speaker 3: I mean, I would legit just go there, and I
Speaker 3: would no lie probably for free, just to see if
Speaker 3: I can study and pick something up. I would go
Speaker 3: and go set up and do that type of shit,
Speaker 3: because to me, it would be like me trying to
Speaker 3: study and show magic or magic more for me, not
Speaker 3: so much paranormal, but like I could see how somebody like,
Speaker 3: so what I'm getting out of somebody who's into used
Speaker 3: to be into magic, used to be a ceremonial magician.
Speaker 3: I would actually love doing that. It's not something I
Speaker 3: would get into. I got my podcasts instead, But that
Speaker 3: would really interest me a lot because it would be
Speaker 3: almost like me going out with toys and trying to
Speaker 3: scientifically now prove magic instead of me.
Speaker 5: Doing all my little shit that I used to do.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know, like it's kind of like I
Speaker 3: understand I have an idea maybe of what magic and
Speaker 3: the paranormal is, and I think I might be able
Speaker 3: to prove it with science with these machines. That would
Speaker 3: be me, and like, for all you know, that could
Speaker 3: be her and she just got a little bit of
Speaker 3: popularity and got on TV.
Speaker 4: I think she's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I think I think she's a real deal.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying anything bad negative about her. I
Speaker 3: don't know that well, but I do definitely think I
Speaker 3: will give her credit. I think she is one of
Speaker 3: the few that actually is gifted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that one hundred percent. So
Speaker 4: what do you think about the spirit box or whatever
Speaker 4: it's like basically like the white noise. You ask a question,
Speaker 4: the answer kind of comes through in some type of like.
Speaker 3: There's certain ones that I'm I'm not a fan of,
Speaker 3: unfortunately not to be. I'll fucking bang on Zach again.
Speaker 3: But the kind of one like they have one, I
Speaker 3: don't know if maybe I'm confused with the type of
Speaker 3: box it is, but it's like too much and too loud,
Speaker 3: and it just seems like you could pick up so much.
Speaker 3: And then there's other ones that it just sounds like
Speaker 3: it's more of like kind of like white noise and
Speaker 3: just things kind of coming in and out.
Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. Some of them I would, uh.
Speaker 3: I would use. I don't know how much I would
Speaker 3: value it, But there's definitely the ones I would not
Speaker 3: use because I think it's just spitting out too much
Speaker 3: random shit, or it's just made to spit out random
Speaker 3: shit so people buy it.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you that, like it's made for TV.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what the thing is too, you know,
Speaker 3: from what I've even started noticing from having some paranoral
Speaker 3: investigators on my show, you'd actually be surprised how a
Speaker 3: lot of that equipment is actually kind of what almost
Speaker 3: directly from somebody who makes it as well.
Speaker 4: Mm okay, so like you know, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: There's no like all, you know, or it could be real,
Speaker 3: you know, legit for real, which you know I'm sure
Speaker 3: was out there, but I mean, you know you have
Speaker 3: no ise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no ghost ear us. You just go and
Speaker 4: pick up.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can, you can buy this shit online.
Speaker 3: But I like anybody that I know that's like, uh,
Speaker 3: you can even see Zach or anybody professional. They'll probably
Speaker 3: if you're watching ghost Hunters, Ghost Adventures, any of those shows,
Speaker 3: at some point they'll probably mention a piece of equipment
Speaker 3: that they bought from a specific person, you know, and uh,
Speaker 3: it's not like a store, you know, somebody actually made
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, put that a lot on a lot of ghost shows.
Speaker 3: And and plus the people that I've had on my
Speaker 3: own show, I've noticed that. So you have to also
Speaker 3: want to like, you know, is it even working right?
Speaker 4: Did you like Ghost Hunters?
Speaker 3: I liked them at first for a while.
Speaker 4: What were they called TAPS.
Speaker 5: Yes, Transatlantic Paranormal.
Speaker 4: Society Yeah, yeah, mm hmm or something like that.
Speaker 3: Don't know, Uh, yeah, I like them a lot at
Speaker 3: first because, uh, they seemed to debunk a lot. A
Speaker 3: lot at least, like I knew they weren't trying to
Speaker 3: sell me. I'm like, wow, you know, and sometimes you
Speaker 3: actually got a whole episode that just kind of sucked,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, well, you know, at least
Speaker 3: I thought it was like somewhat kind of you know,
Speaker 3: not descripted. I think eventually it just got just like
Speaker 3: the rest. But uh, and.
Speaker 5: You know, that's what I've heard why they even broke up.
Speaker 3: I don't know how truthful that was, because one didn't
Speaker 3: want to do that anymore the other one did. I
Speaker 3: don't know. That was one of the very few shows
Speaker 3: that when I was like kind of like in the
Speaker 3: later teens, that I actually like specifically watched.
Speaker 4: I watched it in I watched it in elementary school,
Speaker 4: so I'm I'm a little bit younger, but I do
Speaker 4: remember watching it as a kid and being like, they
Speaker 4: never see any fucking ghosts on this show. Like it
Speaker 4: was always just like why do I do.
Speaker 3: In every week? And then when they did give you
Speaker 3: a bo you thought it was exciting, right, I.
Speaker 4: Was so sided. Every Wednesday the ghost us and then
Speaker 4: it was like they never saw a fucking ghosts, but
Speaker 4: it was still cool because it was one of the
Speaker 4: first shows like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just funny though when you
Speaker 3: look back at it too. One thing I did think
Speaker 3: was weird. It was like I was like, Yo, the
Speaker 3: whole Rota Ruder thing, like that had to be bullshit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they always check. They'd always check the fucking toilet
Speaker 4: and in every fucking house that they went in, and
Speaker 4: they'd be like, I'm having ghost activity, Well is your
Speaker 4: toilet clong?
Speaker 3: I think Rota Rud was just a big sponsor of
Speaker 3: THEIRS when they first started to help pay for the
Speaker 3: course of the show. I'm sure, because I really don't.
Speaker 3: I was like, come on, like, why are you getting
Speaker 3: that whole Like why did you even have to take
Speaker 3: that whole angle? But for the most part, I did
Speaker 3: think the show was kind of like okay because it
Speaker 3: didn't seem over the top for a while. I think
Speaker 3: it lasted a long time. It was a little bit
Speaker 3: of weird shit that they kind of did. I think
Speaker 3: almost reality TV is with some of the character is.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like the first I think season or two,
Speaker 3: they ended up getting rid of that one gig because
Speaker 3: it was just like a constant problem. He's having problems
Speaker 3: with this girl's having problems working with people on the show.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. Then there's that one kid that started
Speaker 3: liking the fucking chick that was there, and yeah, we
Speaker 3: can't be having that. It was like a little bit
Speaker 3: of a kind of reality TV tourist in there. That
Speaker 3: shit that was kind of like, ah, man, don't do that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for the most.
Speaker 4: Part, in the Ghost Assholes New York, this is the
Speaker 4: this is the part of the job. I ask you
Speaker 4: some personal questions about you. Okay, sure, and now this
Speaker 4: is going to be part of my spectacular for October.
Speaker 4: So what was your favorite thing you dressed up as
Speaker 4: for Halloween as a kid?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man, the only thing I can really well that I remember.
Speaker 3: I guess that I kind of liked. I think got Dracula,
Speaker 3: but like that was like kind of like my idea
Speaker 3: and I kind of stuck with that. But like once
Speaker 3: I got to a certain age, I really didn't dress
Speaker 3: up anymore. So that's like really the only thing I
Speaker 3: can think of.
Speaker 4: Was it a homemade costume?
Speaker 3: Well, it was like a mixture of like stuff from
Speaker 3: the store, and like my mom, it all like the
Speaker 3: fucking ye blood. And my mom loved Halloween, so I
Speaker 3: was like, too, yeah, that was all.
Speaker 5: Actually I had fucking blood coming all over.
Speaker 4: The Yeah, did your mom take you to the rich neighborhood?
Speaker 4: Did trick or treat?
Speaker 3: Uh? No, that's funny because like I like I people,
Speaker 3: I know people who have done that, and that's that
Speaker 3: is Like that was like a thing like even on
Speaker 3: Long Island, like you could be in a decent area
Speaker 3: and then like go fifteen minutes and then like be
Speaker 3: in somewhere like I could never afford here, so like
Speaker 3: you could just even take like a ride fifteen to
Speaker 3: twenty minutes away and end up in some like little
Speaker 3: area that like I'm sure you're gonna do a lot
Speaker 3: better off you're not going to those doors.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, my mom would take us to this place
Speaker 4: in Kentucky. It was like where all the doctors and
Speaker 4: people live, and they would only open the gates for Halloween,
Speaker 4: So nobody could really go into the neighborhod unless you
Speaker 4: lived there, But for Halloween they would open the gates
Speaker 4: and like they'd give us like candy apples and like
Speaker 4: those big, humongous chocolate bars for like cooking and just
Speaker 4: the most extravagant trick or treating ever, And I just
Speaker 4: always thought it was funny because she'd be like, We're
Speaker 4: gonna go trick or treating in the rich neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I have plenty of times I've
Speaker 3: heard of that.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: With me, with the kid, I was just I think
Speaker 5: we kind of just stayed in our area.
Speaker 4: It Wasula, Yeah, Dracula, Son of the Devil. Really nice.
Speaker 4: Your favorite Halloween candy? Are you chocolate guy or Snickers,
Speaker 4: Peanut butter cups, peanut butter cup.
Speaker 3: I'm not into candy corn or.
Speaker 4: Hell fucking no, it tastes like toothpaste.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was much more like, uh, you know, if
Speaker 3: I got like.
Speaker 5: Eminem's with the small little candy bar things, I'm cool
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 3: I was really never into like a lot of the
Speaker 3: chewining candy and stuff.
Speaker 4: No, sour Patch kids, Oh no, those are all right.
Speaker 3: No, those I actually do like those. It's just it's
Speaker 3: not something I think about. But if I would have them, sure.
Speaker 4: And then, of course the honorary question of the show
Speaker 4: is what is your favorite scary movie? Oh or show?
Speaker 5: Scary movie show? Yeah, that's a good question. Scary movie, Well,
Speaker 5: oh fucking I can't even say that. It's so silly.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say the Blay of Witch, because I
Speaker 5: thought it was real when I saw it, But it's
Speaker 5: like so embarrassing. I can't believe.
Speaker 3: I'm just I thought it was real when I saw it,
Speaker 3: as Yeah, because I like literally saw the day over
Speaker 3: the day after and didn't know until a few days
Speaker 3: after the fact. I think I read like the newspaper
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, yeah, what a letdown, prick.
Speaker 3: Far because at the time I thought that was the
Speaker 3: creepiest shit. Uh. My favorite horror movie, yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what would probably uh hmmm, I don't know, all right,
Speaker 3: I can't say favor, but if I was to suggest,
Speaker 3: I guess maybe we have. My favorite would probably be
Speaker 3: the Rob Zombie Halloween.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's the first time I've gotten that. So good.
Speaker 4: I love original answers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely stepped up Halloween and Michael Myers and
Speaker 3: spun occultism all over that shit. M Really, he did
Speaker 3: a great job and really making something that in my opinion,
Speaker 3: was already on that, you know, to that extent, he
Speaker 3: really like put a lot of work into adding a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they made a horror movie about the Winchester Rifle Mansion.
Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that on that site. You sent it
Speaker 3: to me too, Yes, I.
Speaker 4: Mean of course I watched it.
Speaker 5: It was the whole thing available, or was or would
Speaker 5: you have to pay for it?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think you have to pay for it, but it
Speaker 4: works on Netflix for free for a time. And that's
Speaker 4: what it was. Embellished obviously, because nobody really knows what
Speaker 4: she was doing in there, because she didn't never let
Speaker 4: anyone in, and anyone who worked there never said anything,
Speaker 4: so obviously everything in the movie is conjecture. But basically
Speaker 4: she would trap the spirits in these rooms and like
Speaker 4: she put a certain number of nails in the door,
Speaker 4: you know. But you know how sometimes they can take
Speaker 4: something that's true and even add more like a cult
Speaker 4: shit to it by putting little clues and stuff in.
Speaker 4: I felt like that's what they were doing with the movie.
Speaker 5: Interested I have to see.
Speaker 4: If I can watch it, because she would be like
Speaker 4: this room is for this spirit and this door needs
Speaker 4: to get nine nails, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 4: was weird like that.
Speaker 3: This is when I'm getting out where like she legit
Speaker 3: could have had a different type of room for different
Speaker 3: energies that she was working with, Like on the Tree
Speaker 3: of Life you would would have nine at least nine
Speaker 3: rooms probably mm hmm. So uh, it's very that's very weird,
Speaker 3: and I like nails are very symbolic.
Speaker 5: I'm like kind of like grounding you to this plane
Speaker 5: or bringing.
Speaker 3: You back mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I think she was into some dark ship for sure.
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, the more you talk about was like
Speaker 3: the definitely being specific. I'm like really questioning like if
Speaker 3: like the Gaatia like you were saying before, or she
Speaker 3: was definitely fucking around with stuff for sure. But I
Speaker 3: definitely think she might have been. I mean, you can
Speaker 3: even get into an Okio magic she might have been doing,
Speaker 3: and then that's a whole fucking uesome serious shit, which
Speaker 3: could be why this so much weird shit with that house,
Speaker 3: because that is some pretty like you know, if you
Speaker 3: get into an Okia magic, in my opinion, you are
Speaker 3: like really going out there to anxtent.
Speaker 4: Let's just say that she didn't do anything by accident.
Speaker 4: It was all on purpose, right, never a blueprint, only
Speaker 4: a sketch that was channeled all of this. I saw
Speaker 4: this one YouTube video where this guy who was like
Speaker 4: into architecture, said she was doing all this and it
Speaker 4: made perfect sense because she was putting windows here to
Speaker 4: let light into the lower floors, and it would make
Speaker 4: sense to put a door here. And as he was talking,
Speaker 4: he was making himself look like an ass, like there's
Speaker 4: no reason on fucking planet fucking Earth it makes sense
Speaker 4: to put trap doors that drop down thirteen feet. Like
Speaker 4: people always try to debunk stuff that cannot be fucking debunked, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's all I was
Speaker 3: getting in too when I had watched whatever I watched.
Speaker 3: It's like they skimmed over a shit that I think
Speaker 3: that you and me would just be like, oh, hold up,
Speaker 3: can we go back? You're right like that. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's just so cut and dry, like let me look.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there's some demonic shit. Nobody needs
Speaker 4: to go there unless you are prepared to leave with something.
Speaker 3: Probably that's an unfortunate part of that is, you know,
Speaker 3: especially very you know, weak minded person, and that's not
Speaker 3: knocking anybody, you know, or maybe if you have like
Speaker 3: just like certain mental illness, or if you're just very
Speaker 3: scared of depressed. Unfortunately, people like that to a very
Speaker 3: easy target, and they can walk away worse than they
Speaker 3: did do it in there.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Well would you say this is a selfish question,
Speaker 4: but like if you were gonna go like on a
Speaker 4: ghost tour or something like that, do you do anything
Speaker 4: like to put the shield up me?
Speaker 3: I mean, if I was to go, I you know,
Speaker 3: I think I don't even think I would. I'd probably
Speaker 3: just believe it or not. I mean, depending, I guess,
Speaker 3: depending on where I'm going.
Speaker 5: If somebody was like, hey, you want to come here?
Speaker 3: Uh, for the most part, I think I would probably
Speaker 3: just walk in and just if I felt uncomfortable, then
Speaker 3: new to leave and then reassess the situation. But I think, honestly,
Speaker 3: for the most part, I probably would just walk straight
Speaker 3: into a place. But if I had to, I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: if somebody thought that place was fucked up and I
Speaker 3: thought it was fucked up, I mean, I mean, I guess,
Speaker 3: to be totally honest with you, I mean, if somebody
Speaker 3: really believed it was desperate, I mean, I would even
Speaker 3: probably try to try vanishing stuff, basically manishing stuff, and
Speaker 3: I would approach the situation that way. Okay, but you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, like, uh, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would go into a place like
Speaker 3: really that that worried, because like I think I would,
Speaker 3: I would know something's wrong before it got bad, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, and then I would just decide
Speaker 3: is this worth me going any farther? But I mean no,
Speaker 3: if if I wanted to, I mean, even a basic
Speaker 3: meditation and just visualizing a shield around me or bowl
Speaker 3: around me for a while and then going, that could
Speaker 3: be even good enough sometimes.
Speaker 5: Or I could wear a certain uh.
Speaker 3: I mean I would even be open to wearing like
Speaker 3: certain oils or carrying certain crystals with you. I mean,
Speaker 3: there is there is ways that you could approach that
Speaker 3: stuff and protect yourself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I probably I would probably.
Speaker 3: Go to the extent of trying if it was definitely
Speaker 3: like really worth it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always just worry because like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of places that you go on an even day to
Speaker 2: day basic even maybe somebody's house that you think you know,
Speaker 2: you know, you're on the right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you literally could just go to someone's house that
Speaker 3: you know of from me and not even realize that
Speaker 3: shit's like affecting you.
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, are actually bothering you or like screwing.
Speaker 3: Up, like like like what if there's like you're the
Speaker 3: friend's fine, but like the parents, like you have no
Speaker 3: idea what kind of energy is going on in that house.
Speaker 5: That could be you know, affecting just a person in general.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have crystals by my door, my front door,
Speaker 4: for like I don't want nobody coming up in her,
Speaker 4: and they have some weird shit on them.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You could easily really I
Speaker 3: hate to say it, just sometimes people like again, like
Speaker 3: I was getting out, I guess like if you were
Speaker 3: somebody who like lived in fear or hate or shame,
Speaker 3: you're when you when you're when you're not like that
Speaker 3: and you're around the person like that, you always do
Speaker 3: kind of feel like the kind of an awkwardness or
Speaker 3: an uncomfortability if you pick up on energy, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean saying, So like just think about that.
Speaker 3: How like sometimes even when somehow, like I could see
Speaker 3: you and be like, oh.
Speaker 5: Just she doesn't feel right, something's bothering her and just
Speaker 5: know it somehow, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, And then like like oh I
Speaker 3: feel batter blah blah blah, Like you know what I'm
Speaker 3: saying like people can sometimes even sense that without even
Speaker 3: being like that close and knowing before you eat an
Speaker 3: approach a person, just think about somebody who's really fucked up,
Speaker 3: Like how that could affect you.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: No, I really do think like people do pick up
Speaker 3: a lot that they don't realize that as intuition.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah absolutely. And I was just talking to
Speaker 4: someone the other day because they said, I don't know why,
Speaker 4: like I want to be their friend. They seem nice enough,
Speaker 4: but every time I'm around them, I feel tired and
Speaker 4: depressed and like I just feel drained. And I was like,
Speaker 4: first off, that should be a red flag, because that's
Speaker 4: something called discernment. They might look like a nice person,
Speaker 4: or act like a nice person, or even say things
Speaker 4: that you like, but if you feel like you just
Speaker 4: got hit by a truck every time year around them,
Speaker 4: that's a problem, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 4: always worry about that kind of stuff, opening myself up
Speaker 4: to certain kind of situations or even people, Well, people.
Speaker 5: Are gonna have demons themselves, and that's what you're feeling.
Speaker 3: I have to say, I even like I've even like
Speaker 3: I even had a friend in the oto that you
Speaker 3: used to fuck with the goags sometimes and then started
Speaker 3: having experiences stopped and there was a female friend of
Speaker 3: ours that was in the OTO, and uh like it
Speaker 3: was only like me and like maybe a few people
Speaker 3: that I really kind of spoke to because I really didn't.
Speaker 3: I just knew I didn'tthing. So there's very few people
Speaker 3: that I kind of like actually talked to them, especially
Speaker 3: in a magical you know, relationship. And like we all
Speaker 3: noticed like she was like kind of like riding that
Speaker 3: stuff pretty going pretty all with it, just like kind
Speaker 3: of got into that and was just going through their
Speaker 3: gods and like kind of wasn't going back to like
Speaker 3: you know, anything else. Like it's not like I like
Speaker 3: you just wanted to dabble, like you you're kind of
Speaker 3: like just going that way and just like weird, shit
Speaker 3: just was not going right. You even felt an uncomfortability
Speaker 3: around there. And my friend friend even said to me,
Speaker 3: he's like, bro, he's like when you play.
Speaker 5: With shit enough start to smell like he's like.
Speaker 3: He's like a real ship and he's like and people
Speaker 3: are even picking it up well or just the bad
Speaker 3: energy and just isn't even really fucking worth there either,
Speaker 3: Like you know, pulling away from her, you know, in
Speaker 3: a societal sense.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. I mean I guess we could both agree
Speaker 4: that no matter what the situation is, everybody is a
Speaker 4: little shitty. But of course, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But to the point where.
Speaker 3: You live crazy, the crazy thing is real quick. And
Speaker 3: I'll even say it's that like she wasn't even doing
Speaker 3: it in a thinking.
Speaker 5: This is bad or even trying to hurt anybody.
Speaker 3: She thought she was just you know, contacting these aspects
Speaker 3: of like the demonic mind and shit, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: you don't really need to like fuck.
Speaker 5: With that too much, like I think you're you know,
Speaker 5: doing but whatever, right, So like it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't even in bad intentions on anybody that she was
Speaker 3: doing these things and she was still fucking herself.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's why I just say I cover it on my podcast,
Speaker 4: What I Ever do it? Myself? Hailed to the no
Speaker 4: because I'm superstitious about all that stuff, you know. But
Speaker 4: at some point, I think everyone has like that shadow
Speaker 4: self that they have to deal with, they have like
Speaker 4: that demon in their closet, whatever that might be. Some
Speaker 4: people are just a little bit more obvious than others.
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, because like everybody said,
Speaker 4: how nice of a guy Ted Bundy was, and like, oh,
Speaker 4: he'd never hurt anyone. Like he had that girlfriend forever
Speaker 4: long and he was super sweet to her and her daughter.
Speaker 5: Look at Gacy, right.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying is.
Speaker 3: Well, he was connected with politicians. He was, you know,
Speaker 3: loved in the town. He put on parades, you know,
Speaker 3: he was he was in it.
Speaker 5: He went to he got sentenced to ten years.
Speaker 3: This guy did eighteen months and had a miniature golf
Speaker 3: thing put into the fucking prison that he was in.
Speaker 3: Come on, go to.
Speaker 4: Hell that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah three, I.
Speaker 4: Hope he has thirty three demons just raping him on
Speaker 4: a daily basis. Anyways, New York. Yes, if people want
Speaker 4: to find you, where can they look? Instagram? Where's your podcast?
Speaker 4: Tell me about it?
Speaker 3: Right Instagram? I got the NY Patriot nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 3: There is the Occult Rejects also on Instagram, but honestly,
Speaker 3: we're really very vaguely use it just the post episodes. Uh,
Speaker 3: you can catch me on like I said, Instagram and
Speaker 3: New York Patriot nineteen seventy eight. We do have Twitter.
Speaker 3: The ocult rejects that I'm on a little bit more
Speaker 3: than the ocult rejects on I'm actually on Twitter and
Speaker 3: Instagram the most. If you want to find me. I
Speaker 3: don't have a New York Patriot account on Twitter. I've
Speaker 3: already been banned so many times with that name prior,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, like the only reason I can even access
Speaker 3: Twitter is because I got a new phone and I
Speaker 3: have a different like IP kind of thing now, so
Speaker 3: may way, I can't even get back on. So yeah,
Speaker 3: well from the prior one because the old phone that
Speaker 3: I had was so I went from A thirteen to
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen like that, No, no, I'm sorry, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: and A and eight, oh my god, and eight to
Speaker 3: a thirteen. I went from my iPhone eight to a thirteen. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I went from an A to at thirteen, So think
Speaker 3: how well fucking old I I mean, that phone was
Speaker 3: kind of old. So like, I've already been banned too
Speaker 3: many times, and like I couldn't use that phone anymore.
Speaker 3: I couldn't use the fucking computer. So it's like I
Speaker 3: had to wait till I got it on my phone
Speaker 3: and then well, eventually I got a new computer and
Speaker 3: then that was fun too, So all right, yeah, that
Speaker 3: whole long joint out thing. Yeah, I'm on Twitter, the
Speaker 3: Occult Rejects, NY Patriot on Instagram, and then I have
Speaker 3: the MII Patriots show that's on an all major podcast.
Speaker 3: I do have Bitchoot and Rumble. I might phase out
Speaker 3: of those. We also have The Occult Rejects that's on
Speaker 3: Bitchoot and Rumble as well and all major podcasts, but
Speaker 3: they're really the best spot, really, I would say, as
Speaker 3: long as it's still up knock on wood. We do
Speaker 3: have a YouTube account. It's almost it's broken, nine hundred
Speaker 3: almost two one thousand members. We're hoping and hoping to
Speaker 3: make a thousand. We have tour and more, which we'll
Speaker 3: have my show, The Occult Rejects, and when Lucks, my
Speaker 3: co host on The Ocult Rejects, does his own show
Speaker 3: that will go on there as well. So you have
Speaker 3: like three different shows on there, and I put out
Speaker 3: at least two or three shows a week myself, so
Speaker 3: you have a lot of shit on that one YouTube site,
Speaker 3: tour and more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, can't keep a good man down, that's what. But yeah,
Speaker 4: thank you so much New York for coming on my show.
Speaker 4: I'm still your number one fan.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I'll take that.
Speaker 4: I'll take that, always will be. But yeah, no, I
Speaker 4: think this was a great episode. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Sure, thank you. That was fun. Actually, oh yeah no,
Speaker 3: it took it for me because I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, this is so funny. I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, this works.
Speaker 5: Out perfect because like I can use this for my
Speaker 5: show and I'm.
Speaker 3: The guests because I actually thought this is interesting and
Speaker 3: I was like, I would cover this myself, so I'm
Speaker 3: going to use this myself. So I was like, this
Speaker 3: is great. I'm gonna have fun and I'm the guests
Speaker 3: and this will be an episode for me. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: I had a great time. I thought it was a
Speaker 3: really good show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, since you said that, let me just plug.
Speaker 3: On my ownh yeah, go ahead, go for you.
Speaker 4: Here I go. So I have the Cosmic Peach podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm Julia if you didn't catch that in the beginning,
Speaker 4: and I cover everything from paranormal and all the nice
Speaker 4: dark shit that you can always imagine and very original.
Speaker 3: I will say, I think thank you.
Speaker 4: I try to be I'm the thing.
Speaker 3: I have to say out of all of the podcasts
Speaker 3: I follow, your don't. You're not covering anything I've seen
Speaker 3: somebody else I won't. I'll be totally honest with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like tainted to me if somebody else covering
Speaker 4: if I can do better than that. So if you
Speaker 4: want to get your mind blown, stop by Cosmic Peach Podcast. Okay,
Speaker 4: so I just want to tell people where they can
Speaker 4: go to get their minds blown, Cosmic Peach Podcast. But
Speaker 4: thank you New York, and thank you to all my listeners,
Speaker 4: and we will catch you on the next one.