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<v Speaker 1>and listeners liking Yeah, I know, the most aggervated noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Oddly, we're live February twenty sixth of twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been quite a whirlwind of a couple of weeks, really,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't speak to Larry Hancock last week because

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<v Speaker 2>rather suddenly, right before we were supposed to air, I

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<v Speaker 2>was not well enough to do. So it's my fault.

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<v Speaker 2>But thankfully Larry decided to join us this week, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually it probably times out better because we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about some current events and we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Hey, how about foreign policy. I know that's on

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's mind right now. There's sarcasm in that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody wants to talk about the Epstein files. Everybody's talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the economy because it's strangling us all but

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<v Speaker 2>not according to the State of the Union address. But

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<v Speaker 2>also not according to the State of the Union address.

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<v Speaker 2>Oddly absent in my mind is foreign policy. Really. I

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<v Speaker 2>know there were some mentions, but not a lot there. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>moves are being made so it's sort of strange to

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<v Speaker 2>see this administration not signaling moves, or maybe they're signaling

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<v Speaker 2>moves in a different way that I don't understand, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even moving without comment on certain things because assets

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<v Speaker 2>are being moved around. We certainly have this issue now

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<v Speaker 2>with what's going on with Cuba in the boats, because

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<v Speaker 2>we had the Venezuela thing, but according to Trump's State

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<v Speaker 2>of the Union, Venezuela is now a great partner of

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<v Speaker 2>ours ever since they took Maduro out of there. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, no looking at the boats and whatever's going

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<v Speaker 2>on on the high seas in r. S's And meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening with the circling of Iran and the speculation there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I didn't hear much of that in

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<v Speaker 2>the State of the Union. But let's hear from somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's a little more sober and intelligent on these things

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<v Speaker 2>than I am usually, and that's Larry Hancock, who's the

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<v Speaker 2>author of very many books. Of course, there'll be a

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<v Speaker 2>hyperlinks you can go follow Larry's blog, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about history and history as it's being made sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and gee, the Oversight Committee's awfully busy, but he may

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<v Speaker 2>have more commentary on that in the near future as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows. Larry. First off, how you doing tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing fine, Chuck, looking forward to an early spring.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been warm here this week. It's very nice the.

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<v Speaker 2>Past couple of days. I got warmer here, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was freezing for Georgia for a while while, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>really really cold. I know people in the Northeast are

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<v Speaker 2>probably saying to themselves shut up because they were buried

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<v Speaker 2>under you know, three and a half feet of snow.

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<v Speaker 2>But believe me, it was cold for us in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>For being in Georgia, it would have been like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a typical week in I don't know, March in Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, it is what it is anyway, Larry. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is a strange time. I mean, look, you heard

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<v Speaker 2>what I had to say at the beginning, and I

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<v Speaker 2>do feel that way. And I'm not offering much of

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion on when I don't feel as though I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being offered much data. So you know, maybe you're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>things I'm not. So what is actually happening regarding US

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<v Speaker 2>foreign policy? I mean, are we about to strike Iran?

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<v Speaker 2>In your estimation? I mean all those questions that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>really love to ask somebody I don't know, like at

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<v Speaker 2>the Pentagon right now, But where's that guy been? Right? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>I know our head of the FBI was making sure

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate with the hockey team in Italy and all,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, we are busy with other things. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I missed the memo, what what do you see happening here?

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<v Speaker 2>And what can we see beyond the surface? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>One thing that talking about who's saying? What about? Just

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<v Speaker 3>an immediate comment is one One high ranking admiral pointed

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<v Speaker 3>out to the President about three weeks ago that that

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<v Speaker 3>we have been deploying forces at a rate that is

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<v Speaker 3>quite unusual for US without having an active you know,

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<v Speaker 3>being at war or having a you know, a congressionally

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<v Speaker 3>approved military action play. And the admiral was essentially saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I've got a carrier group that's been deployed

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<v Speaker 3>already for a year and a half. The guys in

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<v Speaker 3>that carrier group would like to come home, they'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to be rotated. We really need to maintain ships. We've

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<v Speaker 3>got some real sustainment issues with this force. So I

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<v Speaker 3>just need to advise you of that. So please don't

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<v Speaker 3>send them to the gol again. And the answer was

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<v Speaker 3>to ignore him or move him out of his position,

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<v Speaker 3>which is happening a lot these days, and sure enough

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<v Speaker 3>to carry a group to the golf. So one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that's happening that is I think why you're

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<v Speaker 3>not hearing much from anybody, Chucks. It's become very clear

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<v Speaker 3>that if you actually even state your opinion from a

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<v Speaker 3>professional standpoint, if it's not the right opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to look for work immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think that is and the Secretary of

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<v Speaker 3>Defense is strictly in that court. If you have advice,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't really want advice. What they want is compliance.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think that's why the level of communication

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<v Speaker 3>has really dropped down. Okay, similar to what we might

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<v Speaker 3>have explained over the last few decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So let me just ask you about a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of specific things. Then, because you have the the Gerald Ford,

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<v Speaker 2>there's reports that those guys kind you know, gave that

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<v Speaker 2>sentiment that you just mentioned about Hey, listen, we've been

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<v Speaker 2>out here long enough and maybe it's time to rotate

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<v Speaker 2>us or you know, give us some shot leave or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that report. In addition, I saw that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're supposed to be deploying hospital ships right to Greenland,

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<v Speaker 2>and these things seem awfully incongruous to the awfully ignored

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<v Speaker 2>elements that have been deployed that seem to be strategic

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<v Speaker 2>but are not actually involved in an active operation. Does

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<v Speaker 2>this seem contradictory or does it seem like we're just

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<v Speaker 2>not getting a full report on what's actually happening regarding this,

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<v Speaker 2>or what do you make of that?

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<v Speaker 3>I always think it's all disconnected because it's quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 3>all situational.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a comment I would make.

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<v Speaker 3>Traditionally, you would have a stated foreign policy, okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you can looking for things that would be consistent

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<v Speaker 3>with that foreign policy. We're in a very situational mode

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment. Whatever strikes the president at any point

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<v Speaker 3>in time, any given a week becomes the foreign policy priority.

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<v Speaker 1>And whatever it was last week.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it may recycle, but it's not part of

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<v Speaker 3>a coherent, consistent, orderly process.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like rotation. You know. Well, we talk about Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if somebody asked a question about it, and if

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<v Speaker 3>they ask the right question, that makes us think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>we may do something different.

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<v Speaker 1>Same way with the hospital ships.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you hear that the hospital ships are on

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<v Speaker 3>their way in a social media post, but we know

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<v Speaker 3>that's not true, and we know that can't even happen.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them is under maintenance. They would require icebreakers

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't have. The port's not big enough to die.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just they're inconsistencies all over the place. So at

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<v Speaker 3>this point in time, we don't really have a foreign

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<v Speaker 3>policy being supported by an integrated series of actions.

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<v Speaker 1>We have at best, it's tactical.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what are you going to do this week

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<v Speaker 3>to support what the priority was this week? And next

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<v Speaker 3>week you'll turn around and go, well, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>but I already deployed everybody for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you want me to pull them back.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the carrier that you talked about, rather than

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<v Speaker 3>being rotated as it should have been in the first place,

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<v Speaker 3>was deployed to support the Venezuela operation tentatively, and then

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<v Speaker 3>it was no, it's not going to have to go there.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it going to go home? No, No, it's turns

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<v Speaker 3>out it's going to go. So what you are seeing

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of disconnections. I think it would be

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<v Speaker 3>hard for anybody to objectively not think that was going on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very difficult for commanders, It's very difficult granders. It's

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<v Speaker 3>difficult for the person. Well, I would say, the only

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<v Speaker 3>person who's pleased by this. And if I were really

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<v Speaker 3>I'd wait about a week under the assumption that we

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<v Speaker 3>might well have engaged with Iran and that we might

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<v Speaker 3>have supplied the bulk of our anti ballistic missiles there

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<v Speaker 4>All well, wow, well this leads us to a logistically.

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<v Speaker 3>Our forces will be tired, out of ammunition and not

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<v Speaker 3>involved in this kind of situational activity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So it leaves you with logistical questions. But are

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<v Speaker 2>we certain that we're just simply not being shown? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this a new kind of stealth behavior?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Where there is two tracks let's say of behavior here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not all singular. Let's just say there's the surface

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<v Speaker 2>level stuff and the stuff that's being shared, and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's maybe a quiet contingent that is simply you know,

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<v Speaker 2>actually enacting more long term strategies. Is that a possibility?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, are we really looking at a four D

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<v Speaker 1>Now, No, I don't think no, I think that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what you did say is obviously there are

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<v Speaker 3>two levels of things going on. The military stuff is

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<v Speaker 3>quite transparent, and these days it can't not be. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't really sneak forces around that if you can turn this,

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<v Speaker 3>turnoff transponders, you know. But you know when we're assembly enforcing.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite frankly, the president never fails to announceward forced. So

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<v Speaker 3>that that part is pretty straightforward. What we don't see,

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<v Speaker 3>and we talked about this a little bit earlier. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>the president is always running a series of deals in

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<v Speaker 3>the background, and if the deals were that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>condition the military response, it may restrain it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we saw that in Venezuela clearly. In Venezuela you had

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<v Speaker 3>it was very confusing because you had something going that

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<v Speaker 3>had to do with drugs, which like.

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<v Speaker 1>It disappeared, and then it had to do with oil.

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<v Speaker 3>And what it turned out was that he had clearly

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<v Speaker 3>been the ghost shading with the vice present the country

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<v Speaker 3>to actually gain access to its oil supplies, not to

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<v Speaker 3>do a revolution, for do a new democratic government, not

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<v Speaker 3>to control drugs, but literally essentially to do a deal

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<v Speaker 3>to gaintain access to its oil. So wise, so there

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<v Speaker 3>is a there's a deal making going on. Certainly, there's

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<v Speaker 3>deal making going on in regard to Palestine, in regard.

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<v Speaker 1>To Iran, and REGARDSS.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's in the background that you're not seeing is

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<v Speaker 3>what particular deal he's trying to cut at any point

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<v Speaker 3>in time, because that deal may be different than the

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<v Speaker 3>one that he's talking about. So, yeah, certainly, is that

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<v Speaker 3>for fortys I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's what.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, but it's there's a level of complexity situationally.

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<v Speaker 1>And what deal he thinks can be cut.

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<v Speaker 3>And the fascinating thing to me was in Venezuela, the

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<v Speaker 3>deal that's been cut and the outcome that's been that

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<v Speaker 3>we're arriving at is totally different than what the deal

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<v Speaker 3>being discussed in the beginning was. So that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>leaves you at odds about you know, I wonder where

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's see if we can make a pattern out

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<v Speaker 2>of this, because it seems to me like that is

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<v Speaker 2>a consistent pattern, you know, when it comes to intervention

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<v Speaker 2>regarding Israel and that circumstance, right, it was to be

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<v Speaker 2>in support of them because they had been under attack,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was a couple of years ago, now I know,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, before we go any further, I got

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<v Speaker 2>to mention there's still shooting going on in Ukraine. Everybody forgets,

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<v Speaker 2>but there it is. And the only address to that

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<v Speaker 2>in the State of the Union was, well, that wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>happened if I was president, Okay, but it's still happening.

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<v Speaker 2>And what happened to that negotiation not a top priority

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment according to this administration, right, So the

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<v Speaker 2>top priority of Venezuela, well, that was about drugs, and

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<v Speaker 2>we were bombing the boats and then we had to

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<v Speaker 2>take out the dictator. And meanwhile, I didn't think Venezuela

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<v Speaker 2>from the history. I understand it's really not. But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to clamp down on that. They're blowing up boats,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next thing you know is we're snatching the dictator,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing them here under drug charges and cutting an oil deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, it's either chaos or there is a

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<v Speaker 2>pattern being hidden here where it's like, look it's a ropodope,

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<v Speaker 2>here's my right. I don't know, it's an odd sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing to witness here, because I've never seen this

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<v Speaker 2>before in foreign policy, even studying historically foreign policy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a time period we could look back to

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<v Speaker 2>that would reveal to us this type of foreign policy

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<v Speaker 2>behavior from the United States? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I think one can say that we have always we've

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<v Speaker 3>always had two stated foreign policy seeze right, the overt

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<v Speaker 3>communicating diplomatically, and then whatever an individual president chose to

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<v Speaker 3>make his priority. So the fact that we would have

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<v Speaker 3>you know, dysfunction is not odd.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not odd at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we go back to, you know, the invasion

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<v Speaker 3>of Cuba, and you have the guy who's at the.

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<v Speaker 1>UN going, oh, we would never do something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>At the bottom line is we just didn't tell him

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<v Speaker 3>we were about to do that, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think it would be unfair to say that we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been in these situations before.

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<v Speaker 1>We seem to be in more.

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<v Speaker 3>Of them at any one time than before, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think that makes it. It makes it a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more challenging and probably a lot more risking. But

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<v Speaker 3>because you can, you know, you can get away with

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<v Speaker 1>Can you get away with life in the same timeframe?

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<v Speaker 1>Not sure. But the real answer to your.

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<v Speaker 3>Question, I think is what is totally escaping us at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment is committing to these actions without an understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the long term impact.

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<v Speaker 3>Because, as you just said, in all of these cases,

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<v Speaker 3>we come out with a statement in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>why we're doing it, and then we change it in midstream,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the question is going to be, well, we

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<v Speaker 3>changed in midstream.

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<v Speaker 1>How does you know?

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, did we accomplish what we said we

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<v Speaker 3>were going to do? You know, let's look at Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 3>Have I seen anyse Yeah, we've suck some boats. Have

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<v Speaker 3>I seen any Have I seen any statistics in the

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<v Speaker 3>State of the Union message about drug usage in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States being down, drug availability in the United States

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<v Speaker 3>being down?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any metric to show me that that worked? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now what about the metrics on the on the oil?

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<v Speaker 1>We know we've we've taken a lot of oil. We haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not. We're taking it easy way, We're taking it

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<v Speaker 1>out of tankers, right, you know, and we're selling that,

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<v Speaker 1>And and where's the metrics on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the oversight committee that says, has it made their

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<v Speaker 3>life better already?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it has, don't know, haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>What we have definitely not seen was the claim that

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<v Speaker 3>was made in the beginning is that we're actually going

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<v Speaker 3>to take Matiro because we want to put a democratic

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<v Speaker 3>government in place, and democratic governments are good for the hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll all be better if we get rid of all

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<v Speaker 3>these dictators. Well, we know that there's a disconnect there

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<v Speaker 3>because immediately after that was said, then we actually saw

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of detators that had been charged and in

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<v Speaker 3>dictators that we've been really taking to task for drug running.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's the inconsistency, you know. So to get back

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<v Speaker 3>to your question, it's hard to answer a question of

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<v Speaker 3>whether this is working or not when all of these

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<v Speaker 3>feats they're not what was supposed to work. And when

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<v Speaker 3>it's the metric, how do I evaluate it?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So, I mean, the essential message here is that

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<v Speaker 2>when you see a public message from the United States

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<v Speaker 2>about the motivation and operation. If I were just random

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<v Speaker 2>any foreign entity, I would not take it seriously as

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate, you know, root of the operation. I would think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they say they're coming to do this, it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they're really after. Number one. Number two, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I buy it, because it seems as

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<v Speaker 2>though every beginning entry into action from the US as

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<v Speaker 2>of late appears to change mid stream, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>and then ultimately ends up in a completely different sort

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<v Speaker 2>of orientation. You know, like, let's just take Venezuela for

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. They wanted to remove the dictator, okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>they left the vice president there because an oil deal

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<v Speaker 2>could be cut. Well, I guess the drug problem left

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<v Speaker 2>when Madruro did. It's a very weird circumstance there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like, don't believe the first thing the US says

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<v Speaker 2>would be how I would interpret it if I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have some good intelligence to let me know what was

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<v Speaker 2>coming next? Would that be an unfair sort of outsider perspective, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Think, I don't see how anybody who's looking at what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on could feel differently, honestly, And I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm well, someone can tend this is a perfectly good

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<v Speaker 2>strategy anyway, you know, just to just to enact the

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<v Speaker 2>confusion before the infusion of the actual agenda.

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<v Speaker 3>Right anyway, Uh, I think the fighting is still in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>Fighting is still going on in Gaza, right, is not anything?

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<v Speaker 3>The Israeli army has not agreed anything. The Israeli settlers,

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<v Speaker 3>are you thinking? The Israeli government, their democratic government hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>agreed anything. You know, we're sort of acting like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're done, there's peace, going to something else, and none

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<v Speaker 3>of these things are ever done that there's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>there were points in time like with we're good at

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<v Speaker 3>declaring victory, right, and I think we're back to that motive.

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<v Speaker 1>We're quickly declaring victories.

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<v Speaker 3>So we can go on to something else and not

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<v Speaker 3>looking behind us at all. We're not we're not learning

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<v Speaker 3>every experience. We're not we're almost not interested in the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>So not that we have not been there before in Guatemala, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I talked about regime change and Guatemaldel for ages

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<v Speaker 3>where we did literally manage.

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<v Speaker 1>To kick out a government.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we didn't do a deal with it that right,

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<v Speaker 3>but the net result over there, we left it in

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<v Speaker 3>a contentious state. Over the following ten years there was

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<v Speaker 3>something like twenty thousand deaths and murders inside the country,

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, because we didn't. We declared victory and

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<v Speaker 3>we're done. You know what we got what we wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever happens to the people is wherever, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, it's we're satisfied with and one left and right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a very a very hit and run thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm having trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Again with Iran a run.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a period of time where we might have

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<v Speaker 3>jumped in and taken some strong military action when there

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<v Speaker 3>was a revolution in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can't delay those things. And we've learned that

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<v Speaker 3>over time. That's a historical lesson. There's there's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>very small if you if you want the military action,

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<v Speaker 3>you do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Cuba to us and.

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<v Speaker 6>Well we went and so we did not yet we

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<v Speaker 6>had bombed their atomic facilities before and now we're about ready.

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<v Speaker 1>To bomb them again.

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<v Speaker 3>And it just there doesn't see any seem to be

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<v Speaker 3>any continuity. Everything is what what are we going to

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<v Speaker 3>do today?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right, and with the hospital ships today, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? With Iran, I'm confused because I could have swore

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<v Speaker 2>we were told that they absolutely obliterated all of the

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear program when they took out this one particular area

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<v Speaker 2>before with the Israeli assist Right, and now we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to reobliterate their nuclear program. I am confused.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think even the President said we'll just

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<v Speaker 3>bomb the desert again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just doesn't seem productive to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But and one of the reasons, quite frankly, while most

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<v Speaker 3>of the nations in the Gulf region are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>discourage this, is that they and know what follows regime

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<v Speaker 3>change in Iran will be totally unpredictable and probably much

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<v Speaker 3>more violent and much more vicious. And this is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of generally the state of regime change when you don't

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<v Speaker 3>when there's no you know, when you force regime change,

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<v Speaker 3>no parties obviously in control. I guess that's not the

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<v Speaker 3>only good thing you say say about Venezuela. We really

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<v Speaker 3>left the party of dictor schadership in control and they

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<v Speaker 3>are still in control. But if we break Iran, all

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<v Speaker 3>those people over there know that it's just going to

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<v Speaker 3>be bloody conditional warfare among half a dozen parties for ages,

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<v Speaker 3>and they don't want that to happen because at this

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<v Speaker 3>point in time, two things could happen. The Iranians could say,

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<v Speaker 3>we accept your conditions and lie to us and go ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>just so we pull those forces back back, okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>that could very well happen. Or they could say we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to fight, because they're kind of the same position

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<v Speaker 3>Putin's in. You know, either let us stay or you

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<v Speaker 3>come to eliminat us. And if you come to eliminat us,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna fight, and it'll be a bloody battle if

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<v Speaker 3>it happens. And I think more than even being a

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<v Speaker 3>bloody battle, I keep in my own mind, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>quite understand why a run having a handful of nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>weapons is more a danger to this country than North Korea,

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<v Speaker 3>for example.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did we suddenly.

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<v Speaker 2>See there's the key. I don't think it is. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's more of a danger to Israel than it

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<v Speaker 2>is to us, you know. But there you go, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And now now this turns into the foreign policy question.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody likes to really discuss unless you're angry and hateful

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<v Speaker 2>one way or another. Right, it seems like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people are anxious to talk about this, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>the hornet's nest that nobody wanted to kick, right, I mean,

424
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<v Speaker 2>isn't that what Iran has been since, you know, basically

425
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:14.319
<v Speaker 2>the hostage crisis my recorded memory, I don't know, maybe

426
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, but it hasn't that been the case where

427
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 2>it's like, look, nobody wants to really go in and

428
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:26.519
<v Speaker 2>do anything regarding Iran. They're contained, so to speak. I mean,

429
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>that was the idea. Now Israel has a different point

430
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>of view on it, and we have been you know,

431
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:35.400
<v Speaker 2>blamed for and said to be, you know, at the

432
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 2>behest of Israel doing many things. And I'm not saying

433
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<v Speaker 2>that that is valid or invalid incomplete, because there's a

434
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 2>lot of nuance there. But as far as our concerns

435
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 2>America first concerns, no, I don't think Iran having a

436
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 2>weapon or a handful of weapons or whatever it is

437
00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:01.359
<v Speaker 2>that they could possibly manufacture is actually many more dangerous

438
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 2>than anything else on the planet right now, you know.

439
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.759
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I don't see anybody discussing China

440
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>in foreign policy discussions at all, maybe I'm you know,

441
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>missing something, but it's like China disappeared off of the map.

442
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 2>As far as these discussions go, am I imagining that?

443
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.279
<v Speaker 3>No, no, you're not, and it is confusing. I just

444
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 3>got my mut's issue of my Air and Space magazine.

445
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I subscribe to you since I former Air Force heading.

446
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:36.960
<v Speaker 3>So the theater commanders or you can sell, they're having

447
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 3>to be political, but they're being nonplussed about what they're

448
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 3>being what they're being asked to do with their resources.

449
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're talking about, well, there was a policy,

450
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 3>a foreign policy shift under Obama towards China.

451
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we got that and we started reorienting.

452
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.559
<v Speaker 3>Taining all our resourcesologies are we're fighting whatever towards China.

453
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>But this Venezuela, whether it's Iran.

454
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>And they're the ones to have the real problem. They've

455
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 3>got a small number of assets relatively speaking, and they've

456
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.400
<v Speaker 3>been told that there was this shift towards China, but

457
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:21.680
<v Speaker 3>that's not where they're being.

458
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Asked to send differences.

459
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.720
<v Speaker 3>That's not where they're asked to be spend their assets

460
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 3>in terms of maintenance and personnel and weaponry.

461
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 1>And they're what they're doing is they're very you know,

462
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:37.480
<v Speaker 1>these are graduate of war colleges.

463
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 3>They're very politely saying, we are perplexed. Also, we're trying

464
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<v Speaker 3>to do the best we can.

465
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Don't pick on us, right, So you know, it's it's

466
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>a very weird state. It's like to me, that would

467
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>be the sleeping dog. I'd be worrying about getting up

468
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 2>to bite us. You know. All these other concerns. Yeah,

469
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>they're situational. They may have you know, different and flashpoints,

470
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. But I would think that in general, the

471
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>long term issue has got to be to deal with

472
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese and what it is that they plan to

473
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>do in the region, because you know, there you go,

474
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 2>that's what I thought the deal was. But all of

475
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 2>that as again, like I said, sort of evaporated from

476
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 2>the discussion, and it's about all of these other brush

477
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>fires as opposed to the major thing building there. I mean,

478
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.359
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, but there you go. That's my opinion. Sorry,

479
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.799
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to put mine into it this time.

480
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 1>But it is the other thing that goes along then.

481
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 3>And you know, it seems like we're spending all of

482
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 3>our time talking military, but quite frankly, these days, most

483
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 3>of it does seem to be foreign military. You know,

484
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 3>what are we doing overseas with the military. And one

485
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 3>of one of our advantage at the moment is that

486
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 3>we have smallphens and you can go to Venezuela and

487
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 3>do very precise, highly targeted, cleanly targeted aggression, you know,

488
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:14.319
<v Speaker 3>so lots of people don't get killed. And that's about

489
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 3>what we're going to do in Iran again. You know,

490
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 3>that's one of the great areas of expertise right now

491
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 3>that we have and we're the only ones demonstrating.

492
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Do the Chinese have it?

493
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.319
<v Speaker 3>Sure they have it, they're just not fighting anybody. And

494
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.440
<v Speaker 3>actually they're not consuming any of their resources. We keep

495
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 3>asking why they can afford this. You know, see, I'm

496
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>going to keep spending and growing the way they employ

497
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 3>those assets again, highly expensive. You can't replenish those types

498
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:51.480
<v Speaker 3>of ammunitions, can't. You can't replenish the ballistic missile interceptors

499
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 3>that we spent on Israel right and in mass more

500
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 3>than we're ever used for anything before. It takes years

501
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.119
<v Speaker 3>to manufacture and reply those things.

502
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 2>But in these.

503
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.839
<v Speaker 3>Years using your stockpiles that are that Yeah, that's our

504
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 3>American advantage and and that's great, and it helped protect

505
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:16.559
<v Speaker 3>our people. But if you start spending it, and spending

506
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 3>it heavily for these types of actions, then you you're

507
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:24.799
<v Speaker 3>talking about a year or two years to reset, which

508
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 3>is why there's so much spending in this year's military

509
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 3>budget for replenishment and resupply and growing the munition space.

510
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Because we've somehow, and I quite know how it happened,

511
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 3>we've somehow become in an almost constant state of warfare

512
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.079
<v Speaker 3>using these sophisticated weapons with almost.

513
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Note seene it right now, there's this thing nobody planned

514
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 1>on it. That's why we're suddenly.

515
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Well and there's the entriest thing.

516
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Sorry we have money or to buy forget that, forget

517
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>giving right.

518
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Sorry you broke up a bit there. But the important

519
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 2>point in my mind is that while we are spending

520
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>these assets and resources, uh, the Chinese are quietly not

521
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>doing that. So what type of build up are we

522
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>looking at, you know, for something potentially in the near future.

523
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.319
<v Speaker 2>That is what would be concerning me if I was

524
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 2>involved in this business directly exactly, is that, Look, they're

525
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:38.519
<v Speaker 2>not spending all these resources, They're just building things and

526
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 2>stockpiling them. And isn't that what we used to worry

527
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>about also, right, was the stockpile of who's got the

528
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>most in the stockpile? That used to be a direct concern,

529
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.319
<v Speaker 2>it seems like, and that's no longer you know, again

530
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 2>discussed or even hinted at in these in these back

531
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and forths that I see. I don't know, like I

532
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.400
<v Speaker 2>say to me, this is what's concerning. Is anybody keeping

533
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>an eye on that? And how out? You know, Look,

534
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 2>we got to keep manufacturing things because we're using them,

535
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.839
<v Speaker 2>we're lending them, we're giving them.

536
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>I see it in Yeah, I use all of it,

537
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 3>you know. I think Congress actually began to see it

538
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 3>a little bit this year because the budget which is passed.

539
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Hun.

540
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:26.880
<v Speaker 3>But the second thing is we've become so relied on

541
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 3>that advanced technology, and it's the offensive that we have

542
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.799
<v Speaker 3>in versual numbers. I mean, the size of our force

543
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 3>is nothing loss even much less twenty or fifty.

544
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 1>It's men stool compared to that.

545
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 3>And for all aspects of our forces that you know,

546
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 3>use really advanced, really expensive assets.

547
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

548
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 3>I was just reading today and while this has happening,

549
00:33:55.160 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 3>you talked about China. Twenty years ago, China had perhaps

550
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:08.320
<v Speaker 3>ten low worth orbit surveillance satellites monitoring our assets and

551
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 3>resources around the globe. Now they have one hundred, they'll

552
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 3>probably have five hundred within two years. They can deal

553
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 3>with this on a level they've never had before. And now,

554
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just they're they're changing the they're changing

555
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 3>the plane field from our standpoint where we're still stuck

556
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 3>in the same plane field and it gets more and

557
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:32.760
<v Speaker 3>more expensive to cope. So, no, you didn't see a

558
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 3>lot of discussion about that last night. You saw during

559
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 3>the speech talk about claims for the space Force.

560
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's all well and good, but.

561
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, I sort of missed people actually, you know,

562
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 3>dealing with the reality of the situation, and sometimes you

563
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 3>sometimes it's not all good. Sometimes you have to admit

564
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 3>things aren't the way you want them to be.

565
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, and there you go, Space for which should be

566
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 2>frankly becoming much much more significant in our strategic planning.

567
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard anything about it. It's almost like, yeah,

568
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 2>we established it, but we really haven't done anything with

569
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 2>it yet. It seems like now that could be because

570
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>we're you know, keeping our cards close to our best

571
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>so to speak. That could be, or it's not a

572
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.719
<v Speaker 2>priority at the moment, I don't know, you know, it's

573
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.039
<v Speaker 2>hard to say. I mean, have you noted any you know,

574
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 2>interesting things about Space Force expansion, what it is they're

575
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 2>planning on doing. Have they added to you know, the

576
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 2>the actual elements that are going to make up the

577
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>infrastructure of this newly created military branch. I mean, has

578
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>any of that come through? I don't think so.

579
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, I had they're planning on it, and they were

580
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 3>planning on if they got funded. But one of the

581
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:01.039
<v Speaker 3>problems is in these days, the way we've been recycling

582
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 3>the budget, and not just the budget, but the spending.

583
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 3>You know, that's that's a problem we have that the

584
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Chinese don't have, or the Russians say, you know, somebody,

585
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:16.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, they just spend, you know, they don't They

586
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 3>don't stop and.

587
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Start where we do.

588
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Our contracting stops and starts, payments turn on and off,

589
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 3>and they don't have that problem. But no, the Space

590
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Force has those plans. But I think I think really

591
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 3>what we're talking about, if we admitted it, have admitted it,

592
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:38.239
<v Speaker 3>is for whatever reason, we have moved into just bragging

593
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 3>about how good we are and how effective we are,

594
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.159
<v Speaker 3>and we're really talking about how good we are, which

595
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 3>is was fine.

596
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for example, our performance.

597
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 3>In Venezuela or in Iran from a military standpoint was

598
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 3>awesome and it was fantantastic.

599
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 1>But it's constrained.

600
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 3>So if all you'd ever do is brag about it,

601
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 3>then you don't get to discuss. You know, we can't

602
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.480
<v Speaker 3>do that every week. You know, we don't have the people,

603
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 3>the assets or resources.

604
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 1>But we've.

605
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 3>We've just everything is, it's gone. We've gotten into a

606
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 3>bragging mode, which can be dangerous. I need a little

607
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 3>a little hubris needs to be entered into the dialogue.

608
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's the difficulty is now we have a

609
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of you know, hyperbolic statements about everything's great, it's

610
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 2>in a golden age. But we're ignoring some things here

611
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I think, or it does seem as though action is

612
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>not being taken where it should be, and smarter planning

613
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:48.679
<v Speaker 2>is not being done. And I mean again, maybe that's

614
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>just the perspective we're being presented so that, you know, surprise,

615
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 2>we actually have all this other stuff. I don't know.

616
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that I know for certain, but one

617
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>does wonder, you know, how this is all going to

618
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>pan out, not necessarily tomorrow, but in a few years

619
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.360
<v Speaker 2>from now we'll see the effects of this sort of

620
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 2>change in posture. I guess we could call it, Would

621
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>that be a fair way to put it? Or how

622
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 2>many years do you think it'll be before we actually

623
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 2>see the results here?

624
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:26.639
<v Speaker 3>I think there are two levels of results. The first

625
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 3>is the results of what we've done. I mean, the

626
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 3>results in Latin America of what we've done. I mean

627
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 3>we we've You and I talked about this another show.

628
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 3>We have instituted, reinstituted dunboat diplomacy in Latin America.

629
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Call it what you will.

630
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 3>We've made it very clear to everybody that either you

631
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 3>play with us or we'll take you out right. You know,

632
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.960
<v Speaker 3>So is that going to produce what we wanted? Is

633
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 3>that going to produce revenues for us? Revenues for them

634
00:38:58.599 --> 00:38:59.000
<v Speaker 3>we want?

635
00:38:59.039 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Up?

636
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 3>We know we just started that. We won't know what's

637
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 3>going to happen. Same thing in some of these other venues. Uh,

638
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 3>same thing about you know, Gaza or Palestine. What is

639
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 3>it really going to produce? We won't know for some

640
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.039
<v Speaker 3>time because we've already done all that, right, we haven't

641
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 3>done the other stuff that you and I are talking about,

642
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, are we prepared for the other stuff?

643
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Is the real question?

644
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Are at the time, at the time we're doing these

645
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 3>have we really prepared for the big questions we have

646
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.599
<v Speaker 3>we made the investments that we need to compete with

647
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 3>the Chinese economically? Have we made the investments that we

648
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 3>need to compete in the Arctic?

649
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Have we made them? You know?

650
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 3>That's that is the problem. Those are two different things.

651
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 3>One is, you know, what are the repercussions of what

652
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.320
<v Speaker 3>we've done within the last eight months to a year,

653
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.679
<v Speaker 3>and then what are the longer term effects of what

654
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 3>we're not doing now? And I would say here the

655
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 3>strange thing, in my mind is the most obvious one

656
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 3>is the Chinese very well, very greatly wanted influence in

657
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.159
<v Speaker 3>the Middle East and in Latin America in terms of

658
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 3>resources and very much on their way to getting them,

659
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 3>and we're very successful. Was this really a strategy that's

660
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.119
<v Speaker 3>going to stop that and suddenly we have access to

661
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 3>all those resources?

662
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, and if so, that will be a good call.

663
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:33.679
<v Speaker 3>But I will have to tell you, speaking speaking locally

664
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 3>for a change, what we're seeing the agriculture folks are

665
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 3>seen in terms of lost markets for virtually all of

666
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 3>our products in Latin America and other places around the

667
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 3>world because of the tariffs. You know, that seems to

668
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 3>be speaking against the fact that we've made advances. You know,

669
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 3>maybe we got the Chinese out of some business deals,

670
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:02.800
<v Speaker 3>did we really?

671
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

672
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Maybe people people like us less without a doubt than

673
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 3>the Chinese because Chinese didn't do anything to them. And

674
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:18.119
<v Speaker 3>the third point is we're not gaining new markets, we're

675
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 3>losing them.

676
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Right. And then simultaneously, the unanswered question, which I find

677
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>remarkable nobody's asked so far, is look, they're talking about Okay,

678
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court ruled that that the initial tariffs were

679
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Speaker 2>not legal whatever, And well, how about this. Now we're

680
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.039
<v Speaker 2>going to have to refund it. Who you going to

681
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 2>refund it to? Right, You're going to refund it to

682
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.199
<v Speaker 2>the people that paid it, which is the importers, Okay.

683
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that that cost was passed along to consumers,

684
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to get a refund on this. So

685
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 2>you have an imbalance right there. Plus the introduction of

686
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 2>new tariffs and all of this is part of our

687
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 2>foreign policy as well, and is affecting foreign policy if

688
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>nothing else, you know, and Trump said it in the

689
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 2>state of the Union. Let's take him at his word. Listen,

690
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 2>either you're gonna make deals with us or we're gonna

691
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>make it difficult on you. So I'm gonna bring fifteen

692
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 2>percent tariffs instead of ten percent tariffs. And that's the

693
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 2>way that's gonna go. And Okay, how is that gonna

694
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>fall out? You know, if it sticks, which is a

695
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.679
<v Speaker 2>question from many different angles, will it stick? So I

696
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.239
<v Speaker 2>think that's a reasonable question to ask about all of

697
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.079
<v Speaker 2>these foreign policy decisions. Where again, if I'm a foreign nation,

698
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 2>whether adversary, neutral, or ally, I would ask myself, is

699
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:49.679
<v Speaker 2>any of this gonna stick from the United States? No

700
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 2>matter what they declare out of the gate, and no

701
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.760
<v Speaker 2>matter what deals I allegedly cut with them, because they'll

702
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 2>walk away from deals, they'll decide that we have new

703
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 2>deals to be made. Whether it's financial, militarily, anything else

704
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. And I would say that if we become

705
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>too unpredictable, then it's going to like, you know, judge

706
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.719
<v Speaker 2>for yourself kind of diplomacy is going to happen on

707
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the other end, I mean, or am I overreacting?

708
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>No?

709
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.519
<v Speaker 3>Now, I think that if we rapped all of this

710
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 3>back up to the higher level of just talking about

711
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 3>foreign policy. Okay, forget to see one judgment calling foreign

712
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:35.000
<v Speaker 3>policy has always been has any national been predictable.

713
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:37.440
<v Speaker 1>And trustworthy?

714
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Can I do business with them without expecting them to

715
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 3>stab me in the back or attack me?

716
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>You know?

717
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.199
<v Speaker 3>That's really kind of the core of foreign policy. Foreign

718
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 3>policy is to have a policy that people can understand,

719
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 3>that it's consistent, they can trust, and it allows for

720
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 3>business to go on.

721
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>A long term basements.

722
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 3>In some terms, I'd say, but that's one of the

723
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 3>reasons why empires work pretty well for a time because

724
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 3>they were very consistent over a long period of time,

725
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 3>and what their policies were, you knew it, you could

726
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.360
<v Speaker 3>deal with it, you might not even like it, but

727
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 3>it didn't change. And predictability has been very key in

728
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 3>diplomacy and foreign policy forever, and we've taken that away.

729
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 3>So I think at the highest possible level, the question

730
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 3>is about our foreign policy, is that we've become so

731
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 3>tactical and so situational that most of the other nations

732
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 3>have to reconsider the terms that they're going to be

733
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 3>doing business with us, whether that is military business, whether

734
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 3>it is.

735
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Trade.

736
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:55.800
<v Speaker 3>We've already seen in Europe that lots of military deals

737
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 3>that we're going to the US are now going to

738
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:05.159
<v Speaker 3>European man manufacturers because they're more trustworthy. We're we're not

739
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 3>going to turn things on when you start using your

740
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 3>assets as bargaining tools. You know, other people are not stupid.

741
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 3>It's sort of like, well, you did that to me once,

742
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.400
<v Speaker 3>you did that to me twice, maybe I think you

743
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 3>might do it again. So none of this speaks well

744
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 3>to general foreign policy over you know, we're talking about

745
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:30.199
<v Speaker 3>over different administrations or you know, a decade or something

746
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.920
<v Speaker 3>like that, which is we're real foreign policy. Let's face it,

747
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 3>since World War Two, people were able to view Americans

748
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.320
<v Speaker 3>in relatively consistent fashion. They might have thought we were

749
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:48.320
<v Speaker 3>assholes at point in time culturally or behaviorally, but they

750
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 3>knew we did business. You know, they knew how we

751
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.599
<v Speaker 3>did business right, were predictable. We were a good source

752
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 3>for them, We were a good market for them.

753
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 1>And so that's great. We had a reputation for that.

754
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's what I'm concerned about at the moment, is

755
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.119
<v Speaker 3>is more what's happening to our reputation?

756
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Mmm? No, I mean one time a guy in Germany

757
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.360
<v Speaker 2>explained it to me like this that as so long

758
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.400
<v Speaker 2>as you let the Americans think they're you know, basically

759
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 2>ripping you off a little bit, Uh, you can keep

760
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>everything happy.

761
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

762
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that you are, and it doesn't mean

763
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>that Americans in general will do that. But that was

764
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the way to maintain the balance. Is as long as

765
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 2>an American thought they were getting over in some way

766
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>in doing business with a foreign country, they were. They

767
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.119
<v Speaker 2>were thrilled. So there's change in attitude in general where nope,

768
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 2>they're all ripping us off. Uh. It was a real

769
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 2>It was a real serious change and and something that uh,

770
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 2>for probably one hundred years, right, most of the planet

771
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 2>did not think this way, know that we were like this.

772
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.480
<v Speaker 2>It was like, just just entertain them even and give

773
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 2>them the idea that they're doing well in the transaction,

774
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and you'll be fine. That consistent paradigm just is no

775
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>longer valid because of what's going on.

776
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.679
<v Speaker 3>That was always the definition, always the definition of is

777
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.960
<v Speaker 3>a good business deal was most both parties thought they

778
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.639
<v Speaker 3>did a little bit better than the other guy.

779
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was a good bid.

780
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 3>If one of them gets beat to death and both

781
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.320
<v Speaker 3>sides know it, that's not a good business deal, and

782
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.159
<v Speaker 3>that's pretty much the where we've moved. I think somebody's

783
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 3>going to feel that they really got had, and it's

784
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 3>going to be and I don't just feel like it

785
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 3>will be announced that you got had.

786
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's we're first, and we made sure we

787
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 1>were first, and you know, there's no doubt about it.

788
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:52.400
<v Speaker 1>So there.

789
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 2>It sounds much like the warnings in childhood of don't

790
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>gloat even if you did win by a lot, because

791
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't help, you know. It's just anyway. I don't

792
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 2>know what kind of bow you want to tie on this,

793
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.519
<v Speaker 2>but I think we kind of already did, quite frankly,

794
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's look an examination in real time

795
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 2>of what's going on with the foreign policy, which again

796
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 2>was not the main focus of the State of the Union.

797
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it has been, especially when we're getting ready and

798
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 2>preparing to do some major action, but quite frankly, I

799
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.239
<v Speaker 2>think it's a little bit difficult to predict, you know,

800
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>what the major action is, even from the political talking

801
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.679
<v Speaker 2>heads out there that are left that still have jobs,

802
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 2>from all the independents out there that are just parroting

803
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.159
<v Speaker 2>each other, I think that they have no idea what's

804
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>going to happen next and they're just going with their guts,

805
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 2>and their guts are definitely not involved in most of

806
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the transactions. So you know, it's always good to talk

807
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 2>to you about it because we get another lens and

808
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>one that is a bit more objective. And I appreciate that.

809
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.960
<v Speaker 2>But I guess in closing, I would say, you know,

810
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 2>do you have any idea how the history is going

811
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:13.199
<v Speaker 2>to record this period regarding foreign policy? In your mind?

812
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

813
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.760
<v Speaker 3>I think it's it's I think it's going to record

814
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.199
<v Speaker 3>it as the point in time where we gave up

815
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 3>the advantages that we garnered during the Second World War,

816
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:32.039
<v Speaker 3>basically in terms of foreign policy and in terms of

817
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 3>building a reputation, trading partnerships, million military partnerships. That the

818
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.159
<v Speaker 3>news is that over several decades they begin to take

819
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:43.639
<v Speaker 3>taken for granted.

820
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, sometimes that's not a bad thing.

821
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, our markets were in place, they stayed in place.

822
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Nobody questioned it.

823
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we've been buying from these people, We've been doing

824
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 3>deals with these people. As you said, you know, you

825
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 3>might be take at times, they get advantage of you,

826
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 3>but it's a comfortable place to be, right and we

827
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 3>were that way with Europe, we were that we of

828
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:10.039
<v Speaker 3>Latin America, maybe not as much in Southeast Asia, but

829
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 3>even in the Gulf States we were that way.

830
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.199
<v Speaker 1>It was a it was.

831
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:19.000
<v Speaker 3>A comfortable position that we took advantage of by remaining

832
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 3>consistent and leaving things alone. And I think anybody's who's

833
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 3>been in marketing, there's a famous saying is you spend

834
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.159
<v Speaker 3>a whole lot of money to gain market share, and

835
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:33.559
<v Speaker 3>you can lose it over by making a mistake.

836
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 1>And so it's a lot you know.

837
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.519
<v Speaker 3>Once you get it, do not give it up because

838
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be really expensive to get it back.

839
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.519
<v Speaker 3>And I think that would be my overview at this

840
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.280
<v Speaker 3>point in time, in the long term, and that's that's

841
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:52.400
<v Speaker 3>why I'm sorry that foreign policy is not being talked

842
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 3>about in those terms. It's not being talked about. Certainly,

843
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 3>we gave up any talk of talking about it in

844
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.039
<v Speaker 3>terms of morality or democracy or you know.

845
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Good intentions. Forget that. We tried that for a while.

846
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<v Speaker 3>That's gone, but we've given We've given up talking about

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<v Speaker 3>follow foreign policies as a long term investment. Foreign policy

848
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.119
<v Speaker 3>is a long term investment in relations of all kinds,

849
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<v Speaker 3>and I think we're in the process of sacrificing that

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00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 3>it is. There going to be a reset, but we're

851
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<v Speaker 3>going to have to earn it back.

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00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 1>We earned it during World War Two with a lot

853
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<v Speaker 1>of blood. We earned it during the.

854
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Cold War with a lot of blood and a lot

855
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 3>of expense. And the nation should be proud of that.

856
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:47.519
<v Speaker 3>It sacrificed itself, spent lots of money on the Cold

857
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<v Speaker 3>War and won the Cold War. We may just have

858
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<v Speaker 3>lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, It reminds me of Larry And

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<v Speaker 2>you might disagree, but this is the way I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Coca Cola is the act example. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if people remember this, and some of you might

863
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.679
<v Speaker 2>not have even been alive, but there was a point

864
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>at which, you know, Coca Cola had a good, solid

865
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 2>piece of the market and they didn't need to mess

866
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 2>with it at all. They could add products whatever, and

867
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 2>some genius decided to change the formula of Coca Cola

868
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:21.199
<v Speaker 2>and they came up with this crap called new Coke.

869
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:25.639
<v Speaker 2>And the second they did it, they suffered such losses

870
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 2>that I'm telling you it took them about a decade

871
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>to rebuild themselves with what they wound up calling Coca

872
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Cola classic for a long time because they had to

873
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<v Speaker 2>reverse themselves and go back to the original formula. So

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<v Speaker 2>take or leave my metaphor any which way you choose.

875
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean the listener, not you, Larry. But I do

876
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<v Speaker 2>see it this way, I can take it.

877
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I can take it painfully, Chuck.

878
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<v Speaker 3>Because a I was living in Atlanta then they was

879
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 3>a stockholder. I'm still a Coke stockholder. So it wasn't

880
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.920
<v Speaker 3>just a boy. You guys made a mistake. You guys

881
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 3>made a mistake with my money. Okay, But yeah, I

882
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<v Speaker 3>think that's a good and you can come back. And

883
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 3>I think it actually took them about no more than

884
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:17.400
<v Speaker 3>a months to realize that they've made a terrible mistake. Yeah,

885
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 3>but coming back from that mistake took them a lot longer.

886
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.039
<v Speaker 3>And I think that is a good metaphor. You can

887
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<v Speaker 3>you can make a mistake and it sounds good, it

888
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.639
<v Speaker 3>sounds attractive, and then it's going to take you a

889
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.480
<v Speaker 3>long longer time to come back. And that's why not

890
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 3>to sound preachy about it, but it bothers me that

891
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:44.119
<v Speaker 3>we have not taken our our foreign policy and the

892
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 3>perception of America as a partner.

893
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>The way we should have.

894
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 3>We've not taken it as a major national investment over

895
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:58.119
<v Speaker 3>decades and decades, and we should have taken it seriously

896
00:53:58.280 --> 00:53:58.920
<v Speaker 3>and we didn't.

897
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I definitely didn't mean to hit you personally, but

898
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:03.840
<v Speaker 2>you're well aware of the fact that for a long

899
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.239
<v Speaker 2>time they had to sell both products on the shelf.

900
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 2>As they slowly walked it back. You had New Coke

901
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and Classic Coke both on the shelves. And believe me,

902
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the people did speak within about a month of like, hey,

903
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>what did you do to a staple name brand? You

904
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:27.840
<v Speaker 2>know that the world knows what happened. Yeah, and it

905
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 2>is inexplicable that it was such a se It's like

906
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 2>a legendary self inflicted wound done by a corporation. I mean,

907
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to laugh at it, because it probably cost

908
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.079
<v Speaker 2>you quite a bit because all of a sudden, market

909
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.360
<v Speaker 2>share was down and it was like, whoa, what did

910
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 2>we do to our business? Is what Coke Corporate was saying,

911
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and with good reason. Now will we see it within

912
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.679
<v Speaker 2>a month. No, But you know, at the speed of politics,

913
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you that it usually seems to me,

914
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 2>like any administration, the effects of what they do is

915
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:07.159
<v Speaker 2>seen in the following year. First, then a couple of

916
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 2>years later you're still dealing with the fallout from whatever

917
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 2>decisions they made, good, bad or otherwise. It does seem

918
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.199
<v Speaker 2>to be the speed of things, but then again, the

919
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.719
<v Speaker 2>world is constantly changing, so who knows it. We'll see it,

920
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and it we'll see a correction, or if a corrections necessary,

921
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 2>maybe new cocal work this time.

922
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<v Speaker 3>Larry, you know what concerns me is with the speed

923
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 3>of events. I'm not sure that we even have the

924
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:40.599
<v Speaker 3>time tort before. Let's just talk about tariffs and investments

925
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.079
<v Speaker 3>and chip monks, and you and I talked about.

926
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:43.920
<v Speaker 1>This on an earlier show.

927
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<v Speaker 3>If I can't figure out how much I'm actually paying

928
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:51.920
<v Speaker 3>in regard to tariffs, and if I can't figure out

929
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 3>my economic picture, I can't invest money correctly right, and

930
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<v Speaker 3>that's going to scare me off.

931
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<v Speaker 1>And what we've seen over.

932
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<v Speaker 3>The last eight months is I don't see how I

933
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 3>can and and I've got to respond, I'm not as

934
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<v Speaker 3>not as American, but as a foreigner doing business with US.

935
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<v Speaker 3>I can't keep waiting to see if this is going

936
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<v Speaker 3>to stabilize. I you know, we're we're making shipping orders

937
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:19.079
<v Speaker 3>and purchasing orders and manufacturing orders in real time.

938
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 1>The good news is we've gotten really.

939
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<v Speaker 3>Faster at this, But the bad news is you're going

940
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:27.440
<v Speaker 3>to make your decisions a lot faster too. You just

941
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.920
<v Speaker 3>can't wait to say, Oh, is this going to get

942
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:33.159
<v Speaker 3>back to normal? Is this going to stabilize? You're going

943
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 3>to have to be making some unfortunately short term decisions.

944
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<v Speaker 3>So it could it could change fit quicker than it

945
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.400
<v Speaker 3>might have twenty thirty years ago.

946
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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, especially with the you know, the hyper realization

947
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 2>of supply chains on local level as well as on

948
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:54.679
<v Speaker 2>the you know, mass warehouse level and everything else. I mean,

949
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 2>we are in a different world than we would have

950
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:00.119
<v Speaker 2>been prior to the turn of the century, for sure,

951
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 2>So you know, you got to consider that across the board. Anyway,

952
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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock, like I said, there will be links to

953
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<v Speaker 2>some of Larry's books, which I highly recommend all of them.

954
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what book I would put on this

955
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:16.320
<v Speaker 2>one this discussion. I usually have a recommended book from you,

956
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<v Speaker 2>but I recommend them all, And who knows, maybe we'll

957
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.840
<v Speaker 2>be discussing other topics which are a little more narrow

958
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.840
<v Speaker 2>in focus in the coming weeks. But who knows the

959
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.960
<v Speaker 2>news might produce things that are irresistible for us to discuss.

960
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>And hopefully I'll have you with me in about two

961
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<v Speaker 2>more weeks, right, Larry, sounds good, excellent Till then, guys,

962
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<v Speaker 2>I'm merely o'celly. All of you are the effect.

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<v Speaker 1>This is James Corbin at coorporreport dot com and you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Ocelly affected o'celly.

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<v Speaker 8>One Nason beneath the anti gods and anything they would

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<v Speaker 8>the only the only that can ford the when but

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<v Speaker 7>of us.

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<v Speaker 8>All that's a light country which is my witches.

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<v Speaker 1>So will be the funnishment for ten red o'clock.

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<v Speaker 9>The use expressed my caller schools there anyone else who

979
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<v Speaker 9>happens again on the air of Jelly dot com do

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<v Speaker 9>not necessarily replied the views of the Jelly dot com

981
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<v Speaker 9>or And we are not responsible for any stupidity which

982
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<v Speaker 9>might ensue.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 10>In Denial, Secret Wars with Air Strikes and Tanks by

985
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:56.639
<v Speaker 10>Larry Hancock. Secret wars became a staple of US covert

986
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<v Speaker 10>operations center, still happening today. Larry Hancock's book In Denial

987
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<v Speaker 10>rips the cover off many of them, using new files.

988
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<v Speaker 10>It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no

989
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<v Speaker 10>one has ever written about before.

990
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<v Speaker 11>It shows why it really failed and why the United

991
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<v Speaker 11>States did not earn from it. It also shows why

992
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<v Speaker 11>other countries today are doing secret operations with more success.

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<v Speaker 11>This is the book that puts what some want to

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<v Speaker 11>deny into the light. In Denial, Secret Wars with air

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<v Speaker 11>Strikes and Tanks Larry Hancock. For more information, go to

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<v Speaker 2>Pick up your copy of.

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<v Speaker 13>of The War State, gives you the benefit of his

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<v Speaker 14>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 14>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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<v Speaker 14>the context of the Times and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 14>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 14>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 14>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 14>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 14>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 14>In the decade that followed it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 14>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 14>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 14>island armed with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 14>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 14>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 14>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 14>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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