1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Check it out college football on the West Coast. This 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,039 is Get Off My Pylon, a look at the PAC 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,839 twelve and more, part of the College Gridiron Coast to 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,679 Coast podcast network. Here's your host, Matt Zimon. 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,519 Speaker 2: Welcome to the latest edition of Get Off My Pilon 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,800 College football podcast. 7 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 3: This is your host, Matt Zemmack, brought to you by 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,359 the College Grade aeron Coast to Coast podcast network. 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We don't have the Civil War this week. 26 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:31,959 We don't have the Apple Cup this week. They were 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,719 held in September because they were now non conference games. 28 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:40,319 So rivalry Week is taking a hit, certainly in the West. 29 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:44,760 We did have Stanford and Cal this past weekend before 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,640 Thanksgiving wild games. Stanford got off to it a very 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,200 strong start, but col rallies late in the final minutes 32 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:59,319 to get the Acts to win Big Game Michigan Ohio 33 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:04,719 State is the game. But and there are other rivalries 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:10,400 called the Big Game Stanford Cal. It's just Big Game. Uh, 35 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,240 don't don't ask me why there there's that little nuance. 36 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,960 But Cal does win Big Game, gets the Acts over 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Stanford in an acc battle in Berkeley. Yes, that that's 38 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,039 our that's our new world. But rivalry Week has taken 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,240 a hit because of realignment. Obviously Texas and Texas A 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,879 and m though being you know, a conference game now 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,800 that that's gonna be the Camp Miss story. But in 42 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:39,759 terms of you know, football on the West. It is 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,800 a little bit different this week, but certainly a lot 44 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,599 on the table, a lot to discuss heading into the 45 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,599 final full Saturday of the college football regular season, the 46 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,560 week before the conference championship games, and then we're gonna 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,080 have the first twelve team playoffs. It's gonna be quite 48 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:02,039 fascinating to see how it all shakes out. So let's 49 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:04,199 start in the big twelve. That's where the action is 50 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,680 for what Western college football programs, at least you know 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,800 several of them. B YU, Colorado, Arizona State all being 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,800 thrown into a blender. And you know this, this was 53 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,360 a weekend in which b YU had a chance to 54 00:03:18,439 --> 00:03:21,879 nail it all down and didn't. In Arizona State was 55 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,039 clearly the better team most of the day, but BYU 56 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:29,360 all season long, rallying late, rallying the second half, rallying 57 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,479 in the fourth quarter, that's what the Cougars do. And 58 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,199 once again, you know, they almost pulled it off, but 59 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,159 you know, just going to that well all the time 60 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:44,000 just not sustainable enough. Arizona State does manage to fend 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,360 off BYU in a game that shouldn't have gone down 62 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,520 to the final play. It did, but it shouldn't have 63 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:56,360 been that close. And so Arizona State now has the 64 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,759 inside track of Arizona State beats Arizona and a bragging 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,080 rights game and a rivalry game, Arizona State will go 66 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:07,199 to the Big twelve championship game. So at ASU b 67 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,360 YU game. Plenty of you, I'm sure said it was 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,240 one of the major games in the three point thirty 69 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,199 eastern window. And you know, Arizona State gets off to 70 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,839 a twenty eight to nine lead midway through the second 71 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,079 half and then seem to you know, down shift and 72 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,439 BYU sensed an opening and made it a closer game. 73 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,720 One thing we have to point out, and I know 74 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:35,279 that Arizona States had kicking problems, but you know, even 75 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,839 if you have a kicking problem, you can still kick pats. 76 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:41,839 You can still kick chip shot field goals. And ASU 77 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:47,160 and Kenny Dillingham were passing up chip shot length field goals. 78 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,319 And it's worth keeping in mind given the way that 79 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,639 game ended. You know what if Arizona State had taken 80 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,519 that chip shot field goal it had in the third quarter, 81 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,079 all right, when the game was still you know, it 82 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,839 was in a different stage. We're not talking about the 83 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,680 end game here, and Arizona State did have a field 84 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,800 goal that if it wanted to at the end of 85 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,759 the game leading by five twenty eight to twenty three. 86 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,879 But if it was in A State had not passed 87 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:16,720 up a chip shot field goal in the third quarter, 88 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,560 all right, at a different point in the game, then 89 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,120 at the end, if the score thirty, the score would 90 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,839 have been thirty one twenty three, or at least it 91 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,800 could have been thirty one twenty three. And then you 92 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,160 kick another field goal and it's thirty four to twenty 93 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,079 three and it's game over. Now, many people will say, 94 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:36,160 and I think it's a fair point. You know, Arizona 95 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,720 State at the end of that game inside the BYU five, 96 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:43,800 leading by the five to five points, and I remember, B, 97 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,920 why you had time out so everyone A State was 98 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:50,199 going to kneel take a knee. B. Why you could 99 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,480 have stopped the clock? Okay, so so B. Why you 100 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:59,079 would have had time to to get the ball back. Theoretically, 101 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,240 but Arizona State could have just gone ahead and scored, 102 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,600 and that way, ASU, you know, would not have gotten 103 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:13,680 into the situation it created with quarterback Sam Levitt dropping 104 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:18,120 back twenty five thirty yards, you know, running around to 105 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,319 kill the clock and then throwing the ball in the air, 106 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:24,959 which you know that was intentional grounding, right, there was 107 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:26,959 there was past the line of scrimmage, but there was 108 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,319 no receiver in the vicinity. Levitt was in the pocket 109 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:37,120 and that didn't get called at the very end. But 110 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,600 you know, the next time Kenny Dellingham wants to kill 111 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,560 the clock, you don't need to run backwards. You don't. 112 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:48,560 You never want to give up twenty five thirty yards unless, 113 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,240 unless this is the one exception, you're taking a safety. 114 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,680 You know, the balls at the twenty five, your own 115 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,480 twenty five yard line, the punters taking the snap at 116 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:02,879 the ten eleven yard line. Okay, then you run twenty 117 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:06,000 yards backward out of the end zone to take a 118 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:09,439 safety at the very end of the game. But aside 119 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:12,800 from that, aside from that, you don't just give away 120 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:16,360 thirty yards. And we saw why that was a problem 121 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,079 because BYU had the hail Mary from the middle of 122 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:24,079 the field. The pass got inside the ten, didn't quite 123 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:26,519 get to the goal line. That's because ASU's pass rush 124 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,720 was able to crowd Jake Retzlov, the BYU quarterback, just 125 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:33,879 enough that he threw the ball from around his own 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,959 forty one forty two yard line. He wasn't able to 127 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,519 step up closer to the line of scrimmage, which was 128 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,319 near midfield. If he had been able to step up 129 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:45,399 those extra six or seven yards, maybe that pass gets 130 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:47,439 to the goal line. But as it was, that was 131 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,720 way too uncomfortable, way too close for Asu at the end. 132 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:55,120 And that's because the sun devils gave away thirty yards 133 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,759 and that just wasn't necessary. If you're gonna run around 134 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,720 and try to kill the clock, you just do it 135 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:04,920 for horizontally, and do it with a convoy of players 136 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:07,680 around the quarterback. You know, it shouldn't just be the 137 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:10,639 quarterback running around himself, like there should be like a 138 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,600 trips or bunch formation to one side of the field, 139 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,079 and that bunch of receivers can kind of provide a 140 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,199 protective shield around the quarterback as he runs around, and 141 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,399 the defenders have to get through that shield to ultimately 142 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:32,200 force the quarterback to give himself up and and and 143 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,799 and and kneel. So there are more creative ways to 144 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,080 do what Kenny Dinningham did. Like we all understand the 145 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,519 thought process, kill the clock, run around, waste time, so 146 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,600 you don't have to punt. You don't have to worry 147 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,639 about a snap. You don't have to worry about a kick. Uh, 148 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:50,240 and and a block and and and uh. You know 149 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,159 b y U taking it the other way, understand that 150 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:56,559 that like, that's reasonable. But the way that all went down, 151 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,720 it could have been done, uh in a much better, 152 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,639 easier way. You know, if the ASU doesn't lose those 153 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,159 thirty yards, b Yu might get one play, but it's 154 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:13,639 a one, but it's one play around its own twenty 155 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,759 five yard line. So the hail mary just wouldn't have 156 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:19,639 you even have had a chance. As it happened, the 157 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,440 hail mary was near midfield and the game came at 158 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,759 the very end kind of close. It was a bit 159 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:28,320 of a close call for it was in a state. 160 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:32,879 So that's that's part of the process of unpacking the 161 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,480 end of that game and the wild situation which unfolded 162 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,960 in TMP with fans rushing the field only for one 163 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,399 second to be put back on the clock. And can 164 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,240 you imagine if b Yu had scored a touchdown on 165 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:48,360 the hail mary would have been one of the all 166 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,360 timers in terms of going from you know, the expectation 167 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,120 of total victory rushing the field and then oh they 168 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,519 they revise everything and then BYU wins. Fortunately for Arizona 169 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,279 State that did not happen, and it was a very 170 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,799 good performance generally for SU before the final few minutes. 171 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:13,799 And ASU's offensive line that's really what's making the difference. 172 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:18,559 You know, they are blowing their opponents off the line 173 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:24,399 of scrimmage. They're convincingly winning the battle up front. Like 174 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:27,279 you know, it's not a fluke the way Arizona State's 175 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,919 doing this. Arizona State is knocking the sny out of 176 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:37,600 its opponents. Line plays has been markedly developed by Dillingham 177 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,559 and his staff this season, and in a Big Twelve 178 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,080 which is so dominated by parody, it's not dominated by 179 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,960 any one team, it's been dominated by parody. Parody's been 180 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,440 the winner in the Big Twelve this season. Kind of 181 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,320 a metaphor for the rest of college football at large. 182 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,360 You know, with the several the jumble of several good 183 00:10:57,399 --> 00:11:00,200 but hardly great teams in the SEC, it's really the 184 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,559 same in the Big Twelve. Now, the better teams in 185 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,559 the SEC would beat the better teams in the Big Twelve. 186 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,600 I'm not saying that the teams at the top of 187 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:15,360 each conference are equal, But what is equal in the 188 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:18,799 SEC and Big twelve is parody, just a lot of parody. 189 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:22,919 No clear cut team or teams rising above the pack. 190 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:26,759 It's been a jumble and it's going to remain a 191 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,759 jumble until the very end. But ASU within that jumble 192 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,679 has had the better offensive line play. It has shown 193 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:38,919 up in these recent weeks, winning at Kansas State, a 194 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,440 team that was supposed to contend for the Big Twelve 195 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:44,240 championship game, and now beating BOYU, the team that was 196 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:48,600 in the driver's seat but no longer is. And so 197 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:54,519 with Colorado losing to Kansas and you've probably heard this, 198 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:57,480 but we want to definitely make sure you know this. 199 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,200 The tie breakers with a four team tie right now 200 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,799 in the Big twelve, tiebreakers are such that if Arizona 201 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:12,480 State beats Arizona and Iowa State beats Kansas State in Pharmageddon, 202 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,480 it will be Arizona State and Iowa State. Those are 203 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,480 the two teams that control their fate. Colorado and BYU 204 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:25,879 need those two teams to lose. And so you know, 205 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:31,320 with Colorado losing, the Buffs no longer control their own destiny, 206 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,200 and so as well as coach Prime Deon Sanders, has 207 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,960 brought along this team. We have seen the limitations of 208 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:45,320 what the Buffaloes have. You know that they were able 209 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,759 to take advantage of Utah's injury at the quarterback spot 210 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:51,720 a couple of weeks ago, and let's remember they beat 211 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:56,519 Baylor on in overtime after a hail Mary touchdown at 212 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:59,799 the very end of regulation. So you know, this doesn't 213 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,519 revise the larger reality of Deon Sanders doing a really, 214 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,080 really good job with Colorado and surpassing expectations, not by 215 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,279 a little but by a lot. That that remains true. 216 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:14,840 But I think there has been a bit of a 217 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,559 reality check in terms of, you know, Colorado being that 218 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:22,039 far ahead of the field in the Big twelve, Colorado, 219 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,279 you know, separating itself from the Big twelve, Colorado being 220 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,879 a playoff caliber team. Now, Colorado could still get in 221 00:13:29,919 --> 00:13:33,960 if it gets some help this weekend. But you know, 222 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,679 the idea that Colorado was a juggernaut or a colossus, 223 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,399 if you know, if anyone was thinking that that was 224 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:44,480 a bit of an overstatement, that was a bit of overreach. 225 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,200 The Kansas team that's been so disappointing for most of 226 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,919 this season has finally picked it up at the end 227 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:57,360 lance Leypold getting his team together. They beat EYU on 228 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,840 the road. That Jayhawks then beat Colorado very decisively. Kansas 229 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,279 finally is playing to its potential, but only when playing 230 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,399 spoiler and that that has to leave a bit of 231 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,000 a sour taste for the Jayhawks. But like they're gonna 232 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:13,799 remember that win over Colorado, they're going to remember ruining 233 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,000 Colorado's season or at least, you know, making it so 234 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,159 that Colorado's path to the Big twelve championship game in 235 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,279 the playoffs is going to be a lot more difficult. 236 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,480 You know that Kansas is relishing that. A couple of 237 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:29,440 things to take from that Colorado game, things that everyone's 238 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,039 talking about. First off, the hit that the Kansas player 239 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,919 delivered to sder Sanders, the quarterback for Colorado. That was 240 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,519 a dirty hit and they didn't even throw a flag 241 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:44,600 on it. They picked up the flag. That is exactly 242 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:48,320 what targeting should be, and yet they don't even call targeting. 243 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:51,559 They don't even throw a flag fifteen yards you know, 244 00:14:51,639 --> 00:14:55,919 hitting below the waist absolutely astounding that that's not both 245 00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:58,639 a penalty and an ejection, because that should have been 246 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:01,519 both a penalty and a j and yet it was neither. 247 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:08,399 Just just the way targeting, personal fouls, laid hits, unnecessary 248 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,759 roughness are interpreted and officiated. It's just completely upside down, 249 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:18,000 completely upside down, makes no sense. It insults everyone's intelligence, 250 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,200 everyone's sense of basic fair play. It's a disaster, and 251 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,399 you wish that the powers that be could get it right. 252 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:29,440 But you know, there's no reason to have any confidence 253 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:32,440 that the people who make and oversee the rules of 254 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:35,960 college football are going to do something meaningful about any 255 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 of this. But that is a hit that should have 256 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:40,679 merited an ejection because that was a dirty hit. You 257 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,480 saw the Kansas player lead with his helmet in a 258 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:45,320 situation where you know he's not trying to make a 259 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,000 form tackle with his arms. No, that's just spearing, spearing 260 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:52,679 and hitting low, and yet they pick up the flag. 261 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,919 That's an absolute travesty. Now, later in the game, we 262 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,919 had Shagar Sanders pushing official and some people will say 263 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,639 he's lucky he didn't get ejected. Well, first off, you 264 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:08,639 know sder Sanders did not get protected by this officiating 265 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,440 crew with that awful, malicious hit not being flag, so 266 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,679 he probably already had reason to feel hard done. You 267 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,240 know that that he was not protected by that officiating crew. 268 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,720 So obviously he was angry the shove. You know, you're 269 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,879 not supposed to shove an official. If you want to 270 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:31,360 flag him fifteen yards for that, fine, But the idea, oh, 271 00:16:31,679 --> 00:16:37,200 he's lucky he didn't get tossed. Well maybe in a 272 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:40,759 narrow sense, because you know other players might have gotten 273 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:44,360 tossed for doing what he did. To that extent, maybe 274 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,120 you can say he got quote unquote lucky. But fundamentally, 275 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,879 it was a minor shove. There was a tussle, there 276 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:54,159 were a lot of different bodies there. I would want, 277 00:16:54,639 --> 00:17:00,960 you know, much more forceful, impactful, direct contact if I'm 278 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,480 going to eject a player for what happened for what 279 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,920 Sugar Sanders did to the official in that Colorado okay, 280 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:11,599 this game, So that did not merit an ejection. To 281 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,559 hit on Sanders is what merited an ejection, and no 282 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,559 ejection came. So, you know, lots of controversy in that 283 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,960 car Out Kansas game, But Sugar Sanders, really he needed 284 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,200 to be protected by that officiating crew. He wasn't, and 285 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,759 I'm glad that he was not ejected for that pretty modest, 286 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:43,480 minor shove toward toward the referee in that game. The 287 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:48,279 other plot point from the Big Twelve before we move 288 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,960 on to other conferences and other Western teams the United States, 289 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:57,839 is that Utah loses late to Iowa State, and Utah 290 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,079 might be frustrated with that result to the side clones 291 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,720 at home and it's been a brutal year for the youths, 292 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:08,160 but Utah can say, hey, we made life worse for BYU. 293 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,960 It's actually the kind of game where you know, if 294 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,119 you're a Utah fan, you dislike BYU. Utah didn't help 295 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,799 BYU out. So in many ways, Utah, you know, did 296 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,559 the thing that a rival should do. No, you don't 297 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:24,799 help out b YU when you have the chance. And 298 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,480 it's not as though Utah was playing for really high stakes. 299 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,680 So really, if that lost to Iowa State narrowly, it's 300 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,279 gonna sting. But you it's game over and you and 301 00:18:35,319 --> 00:18:39,599 you realize, oh, this, this this result help hurts b YU. 302 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:43,920 So maybe not the worst thing for Utah. All right, 303 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,880 So now to the other conferences. In Oregon, UH and 304 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,440 Washington had the week off. They meet UH in their 305 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,759 rivalry game this weekend, and you know, Oregon is set 306 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:57,720 to go to the College Football playoff, there's no doubt 307 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,720 about that. Ohio State beats Indiana, Penn State beats Minnesota. 308 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:06,480 So in the Big Ten looking like four playoff teams, 309 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:10,559 with Indiana benefiting from all those SEC playoff contenders losing 310 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:14,559 a third game, that's probably gonna put the the Hoosiers in. 311 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,559 But Oregon and Ohio State, they're definitely good to go. 312 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,799 Penn State just needs to win its game against Maryland. 313 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,160 It should be good to go. But the thing to 314 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,400 point out about the Big Ten, and especially as it 315 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,319 relates to Oregon, a team that you know, we regularly 316 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,759 talk about and on Get off my pylon, is that 317 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:38,519 Oregon should not be playing in the Big Ten championshiame. 318 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,559 And what I mean by that is not that Oregon 319 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,400 didn't deserve it or earn it. What I'm saying is, 320 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,640 if you have an unbeaten team, a team that's obviously 321 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,119 in that number one seed position as Oregon is right now, 322 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:55,359 why are you making Oregon play a conference championship game. 323 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,359 Oregon should get that week off, gets the benefit of 324 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:03,960 rest or its first playoff game, right, I mean, doesn't 325 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,480 that make sense? And you know, like let's say Oregon 326 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:13,720 loses that Big Ten championship game to Ohio State. Oregon 327 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:15,880 then has to play a first round game. It won't 328 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,079 have the buy all right, and so Oregon will be 329 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,839 made to play Washington on November thirty, Big Ten Conference 330 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,640 championship game on December seventh, and then the playoff game 331 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,400 two weeks later, and then it's gonna have to play 332 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,480 three more playoff games after that to win the national title. 333 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,839 Doesn't seem fair, doesn't seem right. So we need to 334 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,960 figure out these conference championship games and fit them into 335 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:47,480 the playoff system. Oregon should not be made to play 336 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,240 the Big Ten championship game. We should call Oregon the 337 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,480 Big Ten champion. After all, the Ducks beat Ohio State, 338 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,920 that game should be either Ohio State Penn State, or 339 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:02,400 or being realistic, how State beats Michigan. Like Oregon and 340 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,960 Ohio State clearly the two best teams in the Big Ten. 341 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,200 Ohio State beat Penn State head to head. What the 342 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,759 Big Ten should do, and this is how college football 343 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:14,920 should adjust to the twelve team playoff format in this 344 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,519 new era. The Big Ten championship game should really be 345 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:22,000 not a conference championship game, but we should call it 346 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:26,319 the Big Ten Playoff. The Big Ten playoff Penn State 347 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,680 versus Indiana. Winner of that game solidifies that third spot. 348 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,200 Loser might not necessarily be eliminated, but it obviously loses 349 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:41,319 its leverage. But have that third game or what or 350 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,519 to be more precise, have a game between your third 351 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:49,200 and fourth place teams to solidify and justify inclusion into 352 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,839 the playoff. And wouldn't we all want to see Penn 353 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,440 State Indiana more than Oregon Ohio State. We would want 354 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,720 to see Oregon and Ohio State play a rematch in 355 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:04,000 the playoff, not in a second Big Ten game, because 356 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,640 we already saw that one. We haven't seen Penn State 357 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:11,000 versus Indiana in the Big Ten regular season. And so 358 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,200 like we learned more, it would be you know, more helpful, 359 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,240 more interesting, newer fresher if we had Penn State play 360 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,720 Indiana again. This is this is assuming o how State 361 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,519 beats Michigan at home, which you know should happen. Have 362 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,359 your third place team and your fourth place team in Indianapolis. 363 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,039 I mean the game's still on television, box still carries 364 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,480 that game, or whoever actually that might be on NBC 365 00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:42,680 this year. Whoever, you still have the TV slot, You 366 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,960 still have a TV window. There's still a game being 367 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,720 played on the night of December seventh in Indianapolis. But 368 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,839 instead of having one versus two Oregon Ohio State, it 369 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,920 should actually be three versus four Penn State versus Indiana. 370 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,680 That game would draw more interest, it would be more 371 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,000 of a revealer, would help the committee out with playoff selections. 372 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,319 That's what we should do, but it's not the current reality. 373 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,720 It's not what we currently have. But that is a 374 00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:13,759 really important point to make about Oregon and about the 375 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:18,599 rest of the Big Ten. Moving on, Boise State once again, 376 00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:22,680 you know does not play really well. Boise State's played 377 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,079 a bad month of football. In November, barely beat Nevada, 378 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,279 was bad for two and a half quarters against San 379 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,759 Jose State before finally sorting things out. Boise State needs 380 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:38,119 a late touchdown to scrape by Wyoming seventeen thirteen. Bronco's 381 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,599 not charging hard to the finish line, but they're in 382 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,359 the Mountain West Championship game. They are closer to a 383 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,839 spot in the playoffs, so that is what matters. It 384 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,599 doesn't look great, but Boise State is avoiding the losses 385 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,880 that these SEC contenders are suffering. And Ashton genty you 386 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,319 give him a ticket to New York. That should be 387 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,720 pretty clear. Should be pretty obvious right now, definitely should 388 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,759 be one of the Heisman finalists. And the other big 389 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,960 development in the West and particularly the Mountain West Conference. 390 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,759 Colorado State gets drilled by Fresno State, So that does 391 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,559 open the door for UNLV, which beats San Jose State. 392 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,119 It opens the door for a Boise State UNLV rematch. 393 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,279 That's what we all wanted. So now you know it's 394 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,799 close to happening. Just one more step to go before 395 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:31,559 ceiling that particular matchup, and I think we all would 396 00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,599 want to see Boise State and UNLV go at it 397 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,240 again because that game in Vegas earlier in the regular season, 398 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,119 it was a compelling watch. It was an interesting, tough battle, 399 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,599 generally lived up to the hype. Wasn't an artistic game, 400 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,400 but it was a tough, physical game. Both teams left 401 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,160 it all out on the field, so we could get 402 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,519 the two best teams in the Mountain West. Those are 403 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,000 and have been the two best teams in the mount 404 00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,759 West all season, Boise State and UNLV. So now if 405 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:01,039 Klorado State suffering that one loss, yeah, it's now closer 406 00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:06,119 to happening. Boise State versus UNLV and in terms of 407 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,839 the Group of five and Boise State's position there, Army 408 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,119 losing to Notre Dame. That was the other thing that 409 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,559 Boise State really needed to happen to be Group of 410 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,920 five champion, So that much closer for Boise State. It's 411 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,119 all right there. Boise State just needs to take care 412 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:29,119 of business these next two weeks. They're definitely in the playoff. 413 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,880 I think. The only other thing to say about the playoff, 414 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:38,319 in addition to, you know, amending the conference championship games 415 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,880 and how they fit in the other thing to say, 416 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:43,480 and this is partly a Big twelve thing, but it's 417 00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:47,440 really more more broadly applied throughout the sport. It also 418 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,160 applies to all these SEC teams with three losses. To me, 419 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,279 if you play twelve games in a regular season, you 420 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:58,200 know that that's unique to college football, right play only 421 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,200 twelve games. College basketball you play about thirty. College baseball 422 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:08,400 you play, you know, several dozen games. College football, you 423 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,559 played just twelve games. If you lose three of them, 424 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,759 I don't care how how good your nine wins are. 425 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,039 If you're losing three of your twelve games, you know 426 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,960 you're not really taking care of business. And I know 427 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:24,440 that you know Army also Tulane, and of course the 428 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,480 two of them play in the AAC Championship game. Yes, 429 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:31,640 they haven't played schedules that are as tough as the 430 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,480 teams in the SEC, but they haven't lost as many games, 431 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:40,599 especially the Army. Army lost once. There should be some 432 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,160 sort of way to say, hey, if you've lost three games, 433 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,400 we're not going to eliminate you from playoff consideration, but 434 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,599 you go to the back of the line, all right. 435 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,240 There should there should be something about that, and that 436 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,640 that has not really been made clear, and there isn't 437 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,359 like a rule structure to police that. I think that 438 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,440 there needs to be at least something done, Like if 439 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,480 you have three losses and like you don't have a 440 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:13,920 certain amount of top twenty five wins, you go to 441 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,079 the back of the line, like you will not be 442 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000 able to get in over a group of five team 443 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,759 that goes eleven and one twelve and one. You know, 444 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,680 if that was a rule, you know you have to 445 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:30,680 have substantial meat on the bone. Merely being from the 446 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,400 SEC shouldn't be enough to give you more consideration than 447 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200 an eleven and one team. You know, if you're nine 448 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,480 to three in the SEC. I'm sorry, I don't think 449 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,960 that should get you ahead of the line. You need 450 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,799 to stay in back of the line. But the Playoff 451 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:52,480 hasn't really nailed down its criteria along those lines. But 452 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,880 maybe that can be a reform plank for twenty twenty 453 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,839 five or maybe twenty twenty six. Every parts of this 454 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:07,519 process on several levels that can use some adjustment as 455 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,680 we go forward, and hopefully we're gonna learn how to 456 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,960 do this better in the playoff era. Obviously, we weren't 457 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,720 expecting this much carnage in year one. We weren't expecting 458 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,160 all these SEC teams to have three losses. We thought 459 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,119 they'd be ten and two and it would be a 460 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,680 done deal. Well, has it really worked out that way. 461 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,000 It's been a lot more clean and neat in the 462 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,200 Big Ten. That's where you've seen teams not lose a 463 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,000 second game or a third game, and so it truly 464 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:37,759 is a different situation in the Big Ten conference. That's 465 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,559 why the Big Ten is going to get four teams 466 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:45,720 in barring some remarkable upsets in turns of events. But 467 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:49,200 there is a lot to clean up and improve about 468 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,759 this playoff process, and I say that even before the 469 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,680 announcement of the twelve teams, and who knows what kind 470 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,000 of curveball the Committee's gonna throw, But that's coming up 471 00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:01,559 in a few weeks. 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My 503 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,799 pilon wants to wish you and yours a very happy Thanksgiving. 504 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,799 You know what, you don't have to talk politics, right, 505 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,519 just eat the food, watch the football, have a good time, 506 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,440 you know, take a break from the madness of the world. 507 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,960 It's a great week of sports. It's a great week 508 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,799 of college football. These Saturdays you know, they've gone by 509 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,960 very quickly, and this is the last full service college 510 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,640 football Saturday. Then we have that much more smaller scale 511 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,440 Saturday on December seventh with the conference championship games. This 512 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,480 is the last really big Saturday. Get bull bids announced, 513 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,279 We're gonna get coaches fired. We're certainly going to talk 514 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,960 about all those kinds of things next week. Here on, 515 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:36,039 get off my pilot. But hey, enjoy the holiday. You 516 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,799 don't have to make it a time of misery or contentiousness. 517 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,119 I think it's a time to really take a step 518 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,200 back and just enjoy what we have. Hopefully you'll find 519 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,119 the ability to do that. Hopefully you're in a situation 520 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,960 where that comes easily. But if not, hey, you know, 521 00:31:55,039 --> 00:32:02,559 why not just avoid the harsh collision and enjoy a 522 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,440 wonderful Thanksgiving with you and your family. So we get 523 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,599 off my pilon, send you our best wishes. Hope you 524 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:14,400 have a great holiday full of family and fun and football, 525 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,559 and we'll be with you next week to make sense 526 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,680 of how everything happens, how everything comes together. As we 527 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,200 get closer to the first twelve team college football playoff, 528 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400 find a college grad roon coast to coast at Apple 529 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,480 and wherever you listen to your podcasts on Twitter at 530 00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:36,759 Gridiron Coast. So this is Matt Zemk thanking you for 531 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,759 listening to another edition of Get Off My Pilon, covering 532 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,920 western college football in the United States, part of the 533 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,880 College gridroon coast to coast family, Happy Thanksgiving. We will 534 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,440 see you next week.