Speaker 1: All right, let's get a drive time.
Speaker 2: Tuesday afternoon, fourteen minutes past the hour two o'clock turned
Speaker 2: into a nice, warm afternoon after.
Speaker 1: A chilly, chilly morning.
Speaker 2: Little cloud coverage put some sunshine here in downtown Salt
Speaker 2: Lake City, Utah, about sixty two degrees on this beautiful
Speaker 2: May Tuesday afternoon. And as it is every single day,
Speaker 2: it's gonna have you along for the Rids fence check.
Speaker 2: It's behind the Mike Porter Larsen behind the glass today
Speaker 2: producing booking the show Busy jam Pack Tuesday Show.
Speaker 1: As we're getting ready.
Speaker 2: For the conference finals in both professional basketball and pro hockey.
Speaker 2: Conference finals. Final four for both the NHL and the NBA.
Speaker 2: No basketball or hockey last night, but the Timberwolves in
Speaker 2: the Thunder at Pecom Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, tip
Speaker 2: off at six thirty tonight on ESPN.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow night will be the New.
Speaker 2: York Knicks and the Boston Celtics, So the West tonight,
Speaker 2: the East Tomorrow. In the world of pro hockey, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be the Panthers and the Hurricane in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Speaker 2: First puck will drop at six o'clock on TNT, SO
Speaker 2: Busy Night tonight as the conference finals get going, a
Speaker 2: couple of new mock drafts I want to get to
Speaker 2: as far as who the Jazz could look at at
Speaker 2: number five, and the Jazz also have a second first
Speaker 2: round pick and a couple of second round picks as well.
Speaker 2: Want to remind you we will have you taken care of.
Speaker 2: Coming up on June the twenty fifth. Our Draft night
Speaker 2: coverage will be excellent. It'll be myself, but most importantly
Speaker 2: it'll be Gordy Chiasa and Richard Smith to you guys
Speaker 2: that basically spent a lifetime in the world of professional
Speaker 2: basketball with Utah Jazz and others.
Speaker 1: Gordy should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that maybe at some point, but it'll
Speaker 2: be exciting and potentially out in about We'll let you
Speaker 2: know what our plans are as we will bring you
Speaker 2: excellent coverage of the draft and we'll stay on for
Speaker 2: the first round on June the twenty fifth. The second
Speaker 2: round is the twenty six that actually runs through our
Speaker 2: afternoon drive show, so we'll be able to bring you
Speaker 2: live analysis of who the land on the second round
Speaker 2: or if they trade up trade down. Speaking of rookies,
Speaker 2: the All Rookie team came out today in Pro Basketball.
Speaker 2: No Isaiah Collier, no Kyle Philipowski, but they landed just
Speaker 2: on the outside looking in. I believe Collier was eleven
Speaker 2: as far as the votes go, and Philipowski was twelve.
Speaker 2: Isaiah did get one first team vote, but did not
Speaker 2: make either first or second team, so he's kind of
Speaker 2: hoping for that for either of those two, who had
Speaker 2: very fine rookie campaigns for the Utah Jazz. A lot
Speaker 2: of rumors regarding NBA offseason moves, A lot of them
Speaker 2: are kind of involving the potential of the Jazz getting involved.
Speaker 2: Will keep you up to date as we go throughout
Speaker 2: the show today, So a lot to do on the
Speaker 2: program today. The Jazz have announced their Summer League dates
Speaker 2: July the fifth through the eighth. It's going to be
Speaker 2: played at the Huntsman Center, not Delta Center because of
Speaker 2: course construction downtown.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: The last time the Jazz played Summer League at the
Speaker 2: Huntsman Center was the rookie season of one Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 2: and I was their courtside and that was the first
Speaker 2: time I said that, oh, okay, this kid is serious.
Speaker 2: He gave it to Jason Tatum once upon a time
Speaker 2: a number years ago at the Huntsman Center.
Speaker 1: So we have that on the table today.
Speaker 2: NFL offseason meetings some voting today on some rules, namely
Speaker 2: the NFL will allow their football players to play flag
Speaker 2: football for the twenty eight Olympics. Here's my question, right
Speaker 2: out of the gates, who are we playing against? Like
Speaker 2: who in the world can feel the flag football team
Speaker 2: that can keep up with Like is an American sport?
Speaker 1: Does like Turkey have football players.
Speaker 2: That I don't know about when I first saw this story,
Speaker 2: Like who are our peers in flag football worldwide?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like there's a little NFL europe action. Of
Speaker 3: course rugby like countries that have rugby, I know they
Speaker 3: have like little niche football teams because there's that kind
Speaker 3: of overlapping interest. But there's not much as far as
Speaker 3: anything that should compete with the Olympics. Especially if you're
Speaker 3: you're just kind of going out there and doing the
Speaker 3: flag football seven on seven thing. You you should win
Speaker 3: a gold medal and not have to send any NFL players.
Speaker 2: No, Like when I first heard, like, all right, should
Speaker 2: we let NFL players play flag football? Mike against who.
Speaker 2: It's like, does does Bekistan have a quarterback? I don't
Speaker 2: know about this seems like an odd thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm sure once it becomes an
Speaker 3: Olympic sport, that's the thing. Once it becomes in the Olympics,
Speaker 3: regardless of how you know, funny, we may find it.
Speaker 3: You know, curling once upon a time looks pretty silly,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, But once it becomes an Olympic sport, you
Speaker 3: have countries that will invest in it. They will literally
Speaker 3: put money into having a football team, even if they
Speaker 3: are in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: So hey, girl, the game just.
Speaker 2: It just kind of strikes me as our Olympic team
Speaker 2: ninety two Barcelona, Like every game is going to be
Speaker 2: a blowout. But anyway, they're also voting on the tush push.
Speaker 2: They're voting, you know, on moving the kickoff up. They're
Speaker 2: voting on a bunch of different things. NFL offseason style.
Speaker 2: There's also a news from Ross Dellinger about the current
Speaker 2: landscape of college football. They could throw an absolute monkey
Speaker 2: wrench in the house versu NCAA settlement. We're going to
Speaker 2: unpack that on the show today at some point, because
Speaker 2: of course we are always one eye on college football
Speaker 2: less than one hundred days away. Not sure when we're
Speaker 2: starting the countdown. It's my favorite thing, but busy, busy
Speaker 2: guest list Today. Our first guest will be Lee Ellis,
Speaker 2: one of our favorites to talk basketball with.
Speaker 1: Lee is from Australia.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll ask Lee if Australia has any football players
Speaker 2: that our NFL players need to worry about for the
Speaker 2: twenty eight Olympics. Tim McMahon NBA Daily Assist Style from ESPN,
Speaker 2: Richard Smith live in studio to preview tonight's Action and
Speaker 2: Taco Little Jazz Hoops. Then the head coach of Rayal
Speaker 2: salt Lake, Pablo Mash Johnny will stop by. I'm going
Speaker 2: to try to be nice today. Scoring goals would be cool.
Speaker 2: Scoring a goal would be cool. It's been almost two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty it's since RSL scored a goal.
Speaker 1: They welcome in the best team in Major League Soccer,
Speaker 1: Vancouver coming up on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Lee Elis, Tim McMahon, Richard Smith, Pablo Mash joinning me,
Speaker 2: Spence check. It's all of you, the great listeners, and
Speaker 2: that guy you've already heard from him, Porter Larson. How
Speaker 2: did you spend your Monday evening sands any sort of
Speaker 2: basketball or hockey playoff action.
Speaker 3: Yeah, little tennis, a little gardening. As I mentioned on
Speaker 3: the way out yesterday, I moved recently and have enough
Speaker 3: room to grow my own food, which is very, very cool.
Speaker 3: So I'm building a garden. Played some tennis yesterday, but
Speaker 3: now we got basketball back. It's one of the rare,
Speaker 3: rare days during the spring that we don't have hoops.
Speaker 3: Were spoiled start of conference tournament time in college basketball
Speaker 3: basically into June. We're pretty spoiled with hoops almost almost
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: Yes indeed, but playoff action returns tonight, both on the
Speaker 2: ice and the court, and we're going to preview those
Speaker 2: games for you guys today. Our first guest will be
Speaker 2: Lee Ellis fun basketball conversation with Lee.
Speaker 1: Always enjoy when he pops by.
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Speaker 2: All right, we've got a sneaky good series between the
Speaker 2: Timberwolves and the Oklahoma City Thunder. The Western Conference Finals
Speaker 2: gets rolling tonight at six thirty Mountain time on ESPN
Speaker 2: at Paycom Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Tomorrow it's going
Speaker 2: to be the Eastern Conference turn. It will be Nick Celtics,
Speaker 2: of course, so excited for that one. Did you know
Speaker 2: that the two best teams since March first in the
Speaker 2: NBA are playing tonight, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City Thunder. Okay See is twenty eight and six since
Speaker 2: March first, and the Timberwolves are twenty six and six
Speaker 2: since March first. Those are the two best records in
Speaker 2: pro basketball since March first. And you know, it's interesting
Speaker 2: whether it's Tim McMahon or Dave mcminnimon or any of
Speaker 2: our NBA guests, Howard Beck, et cetera, Tim Bontemps throughout
Speaker 2: the course of the end of the regular season, and
Speaker 2: honestly a few weeks prior to that, maybe a couple
Speaker 2: of months left in the regular season.
Speaker 1: I questioned to all of our guests. Was pretty similar.
Speaker 2: After Oklahoma City had established themselves as the best team
Speaker 2: in the West and one of the best regular season
Speaker 2: teams historically speaking period, when you look at the net
Speaker 2: and look at some of the splits, and I would
Speaker 2: ask the.
Speaker 1: Same question, who is keeping Mark Dagnold up that night?
Speaker 2: And the answer would vary a little bit depending on
Speaker 2: the ebbs and flows of the season, or depending on
Speaker 2: you know, acquisitions trades. For instance, when and of course
Speaker 2: the Lakers got Luca, a lot of people thought the
Speaker 2: Lakers were gonna have something to say about the West
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: I did not believe that to be the case.
Speaker 2: I will change my view next year when these two
Speaker 2: have more time to play together, but I just did
Speaker 2: not think it was enough time. And then after the
Speaker 2: trade Mark Davis, the kid from Charlotte, fell through. They
Speaker 2: just don't have any bigs. They could not play Jackson Hayes.
Speaker 2: We're not doing a Lakers breakdown, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people thought maybe the Lakers would have something to say
Speaker 2: about it. Golden State gets Jimmy Butler, they kind of
Speaker 2: change their defensive schematics, and a lot of people thought
Speaker 2: maybe Golden State would have something to say about it.
Speaker 2: Of course, Minnesota dispatches of Golden State in five games.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City is coming off one day of rest after
Speaker 2: dispatching of Denver in a really tough seven game series.
Speaker 2: Now OKC six and two on one day of rest.
Speaker 2: Throughout the course of the postseason. This is a young
Speaker 2: team with a bunch of great young players. They go
Speaker 2: ten to eleven deep. They could even go deeper that
Speaker 2: deeper than that. If I'm honest, I don't think the
Speaker 2: lack of rest is going to plague them. On the
Speaker 2: other side, Minnesota two and four when they have more
Speaker 2: than three days of rest, and they have five days
Speaker 2: of rest tonight. So it's the old question rest versus
Speaker 2: rust what will play out. Oklahoma City is a six
Speaker 2: point five point favorite. They're five and one at home
Speaker 2: during the playoffs. As our reference, they're twenty eight and
Speaker 2: six since March first, which is the best record in
Speaker 2: pro basketball. I think there are a lot of really
Speaker 2: interesting matchups to watch tonight. We have two of the
Speaker 2: great young I'll call them Wings, even though SGA is
Speaker 2: a primary ball handler for Oklahoma City. Anthony Edwards of course,
Speaker 2: really the emerging face of the NBA, probably the best
Speaker 2: young domestic player. The best young player still probably is
Speaker 2: Luka Doncic, but we have two of the best ball
Speaker 2: in hand dynamic wings scorers going out of tonight with
Speaker 2: the Tea Wolves and the Thunder. The Thunder are not
Speaker 2: just a favorite tonight, they are your favorite to win
Speaker 2: the series. Minnesota is looking to advance to their first
Speaker 2: NBA Finals in history. Gone to the NBA Finals I
Speaker 2: think they were an expansion team in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2: They have never been to the NBA Finals, not one time.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City was last there in twenty twelve. That was
Speaker 2: the Durant Westbrook Group of OKC, so that was the
Speaker 2: last time they were in the NBA Finals. And of course,
Speaker 2: a ton of interesting matchups and a ton of interesting
Speaker 2: schematic approaches between these two coaches to really well coached teams,
Speaker 2: and Minnesota of course features a lot of former jazz men,
Speaker 2: namely Rudy Gobert, four time Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's a place for Mike Conley in
Speaker 2: this series. And the only reason I say that is,
Speaker 2: you know, Mike is a guard who at this stage
Speaker 2: in his career. You know, he was fine being a
Speaker 2: smallish guard when he was younger and had more speed,
Speaker 2: But now that he's a little bit older, he's been
Speaker 2: kind of resigned to like a spot up jump shooter, right,
Speaker 2: and they try to find Mike for open corner threes.
Speaker 2: He will initiate the offense a little bit. But I'm
Speaker 2: just afraid with what OKAC has as far as their
Speaker 2: dogs on the perimeter. I mean, Shay can really guard
Speaker 2: Jalen Williams can really guard Alex Caruso's gonna be interesting
Speaker 2: to see what Mark Dagnall does with Alex Caruso. He
Speaker 2: put Carusoe on Jokic Game seven that actually worked. My
Speaker 2: guess is are gonna see a healthy amount of Alex
Speaker 2: Caruso on Anthony Edwards. Ant is so dynamic that you
Speaker 2: have to throw a bunch of different looks at him.
Speaker 2: But the thing with OKCE is they have the personnel
Speaker 2: to do that. You're gonna see Shae on Ant. You'll
Speaker 2: see Jalen Williams on Ant. I bet you see Alex Caruso,
Speaker 2: lou Dort, maybe even a little caseon Wallace even though
Speaker 2: he's not very big. So Oklahoma City has this grip
Speaker 2: of personnel on the wings with big athletics size that
Speaker 2: can really cause Ant a lot of problems. But what
Speaker 2: makes this interesting is Minnesota has the same thing. So
Speaker 2: what do they do with Shae? Because Ant can guard
Speaker 2: Jaden McDaniels can guard. My guess is Jaden gets the
Speaker 2: primary defensive assignment on SGA, but they'll probably put him
Speaker 2: on Jalen Williams as well. I think Go Bear is
Speaker 2: gonna be able to neutralize Isaiah Hartenstein that little flow.
Speaker 1: That's something interesting to watch out for.
Speaker 2: These are two really good teams, and we kind of
Speaker 2: have a sneaky excellent Western Conference Finals matchup because there
Speaker 2: aren't any of There's no Golden State, there's no steph
Speaker 2: there's no Lebron, there's no Lakers. So I wonder how
Speaker 2: many people really fully understand that. Honestly speaking, these are
Speaker 2: probably the two most deserving teams in the West, based
Speaker 2: off of the way.
Speaker 1: Both these teams have played since March.
Speaker 2: Again, Oklahoma City the best team in pro basketball since
Speaker 2: March first. The second best team in pro basketball since
Speaker 2: March first is the Minnesota Timberwolves, and they do battle tonight.
Speaker 2: We'll give you some picks later on a playoff basketball
Speaker 2: back in the house this evening, coming up at six thirty.
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Speaker 2: studio forty years with the Utah Jazz Front Office. Then
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Speaker 2: you honest later on, but we're batting lead off with
Speaker 2: one of our favorites, and I'm told he's in the
Speaker 2: heart of New York City, in Midtown Manhattan is where
Speaker 2: we find our friend Lee Ellis on a Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Lee, Happy Tuesday, sir.
Speaker 6: How are you fine?
Speaker 7: Thanks Bence, Thanks very much for having me.
Speaker 1: How's the how's the weather? How's how are the conditions
Speaker 1: out in New York City?
Speaker 7: Actually beautiful? Really nice sunny day. Not too human as well.
Speaker 7: I live in Atlanta, so we're already sinking hot in
Speaker 7: the humidity, but it's nice and breezy. The streets are
Speaker 7: alive and you can sort of feel, you know, a
Speaker 7: bit of energy. The Nicks haven't been in a position
Speaker 7: like this before, and so I was down at Madison
Speaker 7: Square Garden before, and you know, you can sort of
Speaker 7: tell everyone's pretty excited and looking forward to Game one
Speaker 7: tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've got the forecast up. It does look lovely
Speaker 2: in Midtown Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Good for you.
Speaker 2: So you reference that you can kind of feel the
Speaker 2: buzz in the city. Are Are you noticing people wearing
Speaker 2: Nick jerseys and hats and such? Are you are you
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of Nick paraphernalia out about New York?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, even one Devin Booker Sun's jersey, which sort of
Speaker 7: slid outs me a little bit. But other than that, yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean again, just the energy around the garden there,
Speaker 7: you know, just before, like everyone's sort of excited and
Speaker 7: they can't wait for it to happen here tomorrow. And
Speaker 7: I because, as I said, they just haven't been in
Speaker 7: this position, this far into the playoffs for so long.
Speaker 7: And not only that, but I think they are a
Speaker 7: real chance too because you know, I don't think anyone
Speaker 7: realistically had them beating the Celtics, and they did that
Speaker 7: quite comfortably and quite impressively. And now they go from having,
Speaker 7: you know, go from being underdog in the conference semifinals
Speaker 7: to being favorite in the finals. So it's quite a
Speaker 7: remarkable position that the Knicks find themselves in right now.
Speaker 2: You know, Lee the last team to win a championship
Speaker 2: with a ball dominant, smallish guard as the best player
Speaker 2: really was Detroit back in the Isaiah Thomas you know,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine days. And that's who
Speaker 2: the Necks are now. It's not just Jalen, but if
Speaker 2: we're honest, he really is the engine that makes them go.
Speaker 2: What stands out most to you about how Jalen Brunson
Speaker 2: has answered every question that's been thrown at him. A
Speaker 2: lot of people, as you probably recall, were very skeptical
Speaker 2: that the next decided to go all in on him,
Speaker 2: and I'll admit that he's better than I ever thought
Speaker 2: he could be.
Speaker 1: What stands out most to you about his growth, I think.
Speaker 7: It's that continual clutch performances. If you go back to
Speaker 7: the Piston series, he'd really deliver it on the road
Speaker 7: in Detroit. He closed out that series with a huge three.
Speaker 7: Remember they were down seven or eight points with about
Speaker 7: a minute ago in Game six and Brunton stepped up
Speaker 7: and knocked down the shot. And then the same thing
Speaker 7: in the Celtics series. And again I've got to give
Speaker 7: so much respect and admiration to sib Tom Thibodeaux and
Speaker 7: the entire team because they were getting smoked by the
Speaker 7: Celtics in that second round, you know, down twenty in
Speaker 7: three games and came back and won. And so it's
Speaker 7: not like that. You know, that can happen once and
Speaker 7: you can say that was an anomaly, but then when
Speaker 7: it happens a couple of times, and then when it
Speaker 7: goes back to the other previous series, it's like this
Speaker 7: team has got some real resilience and some real spine
Speaker 7: to them. And it starts with Brunson because he's never
Speaker 7: afraid to take the shot. He's never afraid to put
Speaker 7: the ball in his hands. He's had some really good
Speaker 7: defenders on him too. I start Thompson while only young,
Speaker 7: very athletic, very fast, and you know, we've right up
Speaker 7: in Brunson's grill a lot. And then the Celtics have
Speaker 7: multiple guys they can throw it in, Jalen Brown and
Speaker 7: Derek White, you know, all those goes through Holidays another one,
Speaker 7: really good high quality defenders. But every time Brunson has
Speaker 7: a chance, he wants the ball in his hands. And
Speaker 7: sometimes he makes the right pass, sometimes he hits the
Speaker 7: right shot. He doesn't, you know, nail every shot, but
Speaker 7: I like the fact that he doesn't, you know, miss
Speaker 7: the shot, and then all of a sudden go into
Speaker 7: his shell. He won't be afraid of missing a shot.
Speaker 7: He just wants to take it because that's what they
Speaker 7: employ him to do. That's what he's paid to do.
Speaker 7: And he was the clutch player of the Year in
Speaker 7: the regular season, and then he's gone on and proven.
Speaker 6: That in the playoffs.
Speaker 7: So you know, this is why I'm sort of in
Speaker 7: this position now where I look at the Knicks and
Speaker 7: I think they haven't you know, they didn't get lucky
Speaker 7: in the playoffs. Now the Pistons, of course, weren't that experience.
Speaker 7: Then they had to go out and beat the defending
Speaker 7: champs on the road, and they did that so well.
Speaker 7: And now even if they get down big, it's like
Speaker 7: they've got guys who can get them back into it.
Speaker 7: Mcale bridges his offense in the last quarters has been
Speaker 7: really good. Karl Anthony Towns has been, you know good
Speaker 7: most of the time. He's had a few down games,
Speaker 7: but they've got options, they've got weapons, and then when
Speaker 7: the game is there to be won, the ball goes
Speaker 7: into Brunton's hands every time, and everyone on that team
Speaker 7: is confident he's going to make the right decision. So
Speaker 7: I think that comparison to Isaiah Thomas is actually very,
Speaker 7: very good because they're about the same size. You know,
Speaker 7: they're tough, they're resilience, and now Brunton has got, you know,
Speaker 7: a catalog of big shots to sort of prove that
Speaker 7: he's up to the moment.
Speaker 2: So away from Jalen and even Kat for a moment
Speaker 2: because I think it's safe to say more often than
Speaker 2: not those two. Certainly, Jalen's going to get his, and
Speaker 2: you know, Kat has a complex and kind of varied
Speaker 2: history and big games.
Speaker 1: There's some good, some bad, and you know kind of
Speaker 1: the way it goes.
Speaker 2: But the three headed monster on the wing, you know
Speaker 2: some of Cal Bridges, who they traded five first round
Speaker 2: picks for Josh Hart, who I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: is the heart beats I didn't even mean to do
Speaker 2: that of that team. And then you know og Is,
Speaker 2: even though you know at times the shot can get loose,
Speaker 2: he was so good against the Wings for the Celtics
Speaker 2: and the playoffs and has been one of the best
Speaker 2: perimeter defenders in the NBA all year long. So what
Speaker 2: do you make of what they need to get from
Speaker 2: those three against the pacer team that just has a
Speaker 2: bunch of pit bulls and they want to fight everybody.
Speaker 6: Well, they can all.
Speaker 7: Defend, like you mentioned there, they're all sort of Tom
Speaker 7: Thibodeau guys. You know, they know that they're expected to
Speaker 7: put in on the defensive end primarily, and they do that,
Speaker 7: but all of them can also hit those threes, which
Speaker 7: is really the modern game. The way it is, you
Speaker 7: need to be able to shoot, and you need to
Speaker 7: be able to at least be relied on to knockdown
Speaker 7: some shots. Now, some games you might have Josh hart
Speaker 7: John for twenty five or thirty points, scort Og, even
Speaker 7: Bridget can get that. It's usually not all three of them,
Speaker 7: but as usually they almost rotate that around, which is again,
Speaker 7: it's great for the Knicks because they've got options and
Speaker 7: they know they're going to get it out mostly of
Speaker 7: one of those guys every game. Now, when I look
Speaker 7: at Bridges, I don't love his shot selection at times,
Speaker 7: and I don't love his shooting mechanics, but he's effective.
Speaker 7: And again he did that really well in fourth quarters
Speaker 7: against the Boston Celtics. So you know, I don't think
Speaker 7: the Knicks are super deep, but they've got by. If
Speaker 7: you throw in Mitchell Robinson and Douci Guide, they've got
Speaker 7: seven players pretty much is the length of the rotation,
Speaker 7: but all of them go out there and contribute primarily
Speaker 7: on the defensive end. McBride is not as good as
Speaker 7: those guys, but certainly Mitchell Robinson is as well. So
Speaker 7: everyone who plays, you know, you just sort of know
Speaker 7: that that's what Tom Diibberdeau is looking for firstly, can
Speaker 7: you go out there and defend more than one position?
Speaker 7: And pretty much all of those guys can, so, you know,
Speaker 7: the Paces, this is a really interesting matchup because the
Speaker 7: Paces have got so many guys as well who can
Speaker 7: go and get their own bucket. You know, Pascal Siakham
Speaker 7: and Tyrese Haliburton. You know Niece Smith's been shooting the
Speaker 7: ball really well from three, and then Myles as well.
Speaker 7: He's going to spread the floor. So everyone's kind of
Speaker 7: got a good matchup. Everyone can kind of hurt each other.
Speaker 7: And that's why I think we're really set up for
Speaker 7: a great series here because it should be tough, it
Speaker 7: should be tight, but honestly, we should see some really good,
Speaker 7: high quality basketball because you're going to see defense from
Speaker 7: both ins. And I think that's the word I keep
Speaker 7: coming back to you because for so long when the
Speaker 7: Knicks stunk, they just were bad defensively. And I think
Speaker 7: now Tom Thibodeau has finally got to that point where
Speaker 7: he's been able to implement his style and everyone's brought
Speaker 7: into it and everyone understands what their job is and
Speaker 7: now we're seeing the results of that you know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: One more thing on the nickt and I do want
Speaker 2: to ask you about the Pacers specifically, because they deserve
Speaker 2: a lot of credit for what they've been doing. And
Speaker 2: you know, I've known Tom Thibodeau for a number of years.
Speaker 2: He was an assistant in New York for Jeff Van Gundy,
Speaker 2: and I certainly respect the man. But when you're up
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten to seventy four with five minutes
Speaker 2: left in the fourth, isn't it time to pull your players?
Speaker 7: Well, yes, that's the one area that I think care
Speaker 7: And you know I've noticed because I've been a a
Speaker 7: lot of the Knicks game, certainly here in the playoffs
Speaker 7: and in the regular season. I saw it too when
Speaker 7: when the Knicks are in Atlanta, Rick Brunson is often
Speaker 7: the guy who has to go up and say to him,
Speaker 7: come on, this is enough enough, because you know, it's
Speaker 7: the one stubborn trait that Tibbs has that he's still
Speaker 7: is very reluctant to give up. And that is to
Speaker 7: you know, basically acknowledge when a game is in hand.
Speaker 7: And you know, if you go back to last season
Speaker 7: in the playoffs, you know Jalen Brunson broke down and
Speaker 7: if you go back to when he's in the Chicago
Speaker 7: Bulls day, Joki Noah still talks about it on podcasts now,
Speaker 7: like those guys you know, got ran into the ground
Speaker 7: by Tibbs and so I think he has loosened up
Speaker 7: a little over the years, but he still could improve
Speaker 7: on that. Because I was watching that the other night
Speaker 7: with the closeout game, and Tad was on the bench
Speaker 7: and they were up, you know, shirt whatever it was,
Speaker 7: and he came back in and I was like, what
Speaker 7: are you doing. You're just playing with fire at this point.
Speaker 7: But fortunately everyone survived and you know, by closing it
Speaker 7: out in six, they've got an extra couple of days
Speaker 7: of rest. But yeah, it's one of those things that
Speaker 7: I think Gibbs still needs to really work on.
Speaker 2: So Lee, as you know, the Cleveland Cavaliers, led by
Speaker 2: our old buddy Donovan Mitchell, had a historic regular season,
Speaker 2: and you know, the favorites to play in the Eastern
Speaker 2: Conference Finals were the Calves and the Celtics. We've already
Speaker 2: discussed the next beating Boston, and I'm sure if you're
Speaker 2: a Calves fan you can lean into we weren't fully
Speaker 2: healthy Donovan go saw him after the second round once again,
Speaker 2: and of course it's not all his fault when he
Speaker 2: is really cooking, he's as dynamic as any ball in
Speaker 2: hand offensive generator in the league. Now, I do think
Speaker 2: and I've always believed this because I saw it out
Speaker 2: here when Donovan tends to put blinders on and do
Speaker 2: his own thing, while it's really dynamic and very effective,
Speaker 2: I just I've never believed that's conducive to winning team
Speaker 2: basketball because other teammates kind of get a little bit
Speaker 2: in the mode where they're watching him do his thing
Speaker 2: and they're not boxing out, they're not playing defense where
Speaker 2: they need to. I've always been more of a fan
Speaker 2: of a team overall approach, but Indiana deserves a lot
Speaker 2: of credit. And I found it really interestingly after the
Speaker 2: final game to hear Kenny Atkinson just admit like they're
Speaker 2: a level ahead of us, They're they're better than we
Speaker 2: are right now, and Rick Carlisle echo like it was
Speaker 2: interesting to hear him say, we're just on fire, We're
Speaker 2: just we've got it clicking at the right time. So
Speaker 2: what stands out most to you about the way the
Speaker 2: Pacers beat the Calves and if you're a Cavs fan,
Speaker 2: what are you hoping for this offseason?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Well, I think with the Pacers, they kind of
Speaker 7: snuck up on pretty much everyone because they started off
Speaker 7: the season badly, and Tyrese Halliburton was bad and maybe
Speaker 7: there was a bit of an Olympic hangover for him.
Speaker 7: But I think we sort of saw We saw the
Speaker 7: Pacers in the conference finals last year they got swept,
Speaker 7: and the way they started this season was like, oh,
Speaker 7: maybe they aren't that good. But their record closing the
Speaker 7: season was forty two and fourteen, so they've been playing
Speaker 7: really well. But because the Celtics and the Caves and
Speaker 7: the Knicks were so far ahead of them, I think
Speaker 7: everyone just thought we'd go on Boston and Cleveland in
Speaker 7: the Eastern Conference finals here and didn't really give anyone
Speaker 7: else much of a chance.
Speaker 6: But you're right.
Speaker 7: I mean, Rick Carlyle, you know, he's a pretty good coach,
Speaker 7: and you know, he's a pretty consistent coach. He might
Speaker 7: not be, you know, the most charismatic coach out there,
Speaker 7: but he certainly gets guys to play to a high level.
Speaker 7: And that's what I noticed about the Pacers is once
Speaker 7: tyri Is Haliburton got to go on because he wasn't
Speaker 7: an All Star this season, but he certainly picked his
Speaker 7: game up in the second half of the season. But
Speaker 7: also guys like Nemhard and Nie Smith, as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 7: really really important role players. You know, they can hit
Speaker 7: those threes, you know, they play hard defense, they don't
Speaker 7: need the ball in their hands all that much. And
Speaker 7: then patcal Siakam, who was an All Star this season,
Speaker 7: he was also fantastic in the second part. So Indiana
Speaker 7: had one of those seasons that was pretty much idea
Speaker 7: where people were overlooking you and dismissing him, and then
Speaker 7: they come into the playoffs and they cruise along, you know,
Speaker 7: and they beat the Bucks, who you know, Lillard obviously
Speaker 7: was banged up somewhat there, but even if he wasn't,
Speaker 7: I think the pa Is still win that series. And
Speaker 7: then yeah, the you know, it was called an upset
Speaker 7: because they took down the Cleveland cattle Is, but they've
Speaker 7: beat the Cash three to one in the regular season,
Speaker 7: so it's probably not that much of an upset really.
Speaker 7: It was more just that the Pacers matched up well.
Speaker 7: There was some injury concerns of course there with the Cavs,
Speaker 7: but I think that was really only for one game
Speaker 7: when Mobiley Hunter and Garland were out. Garland mister Thurst
Speaker 7: game though as well. But ultimately we saw, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 7: Donovan is a great playoff performer. You know, he's had
Speaker 7: some huge moments, but he hasn't been able to turn
Speaker 7: those into playoff success. He's never gone past the second round.
Speaker 7: So there is something that's not quite working there that
Speaker 7: even if Donovan goes for forty I think he finished
Speaker 7: averaging forty one in that series, but what good is
Speaker 7: that if you're lose in five games? You know. So
Speaker 7: the Cabs a really disappointing end to a very promising
Speaker 7: season and where they go and the off season from
Speaker 7: here now, I don't think they make too many changes
Speaker 7: because I think overall they probably just look back at
Speaker 7: what they did wrong and they think, Okay, you know,
Speaker 7: we need to have made some improvements from within, because overall,
Speaker 7: I think they've got a good roster. Evan Mobley defensive
Speaker 7: Player of the Year. Donovan We've already talked about him,
Speaker 7: and Darius was an All Star this year. Jared Allen
Speaker 7: has been an All Star. You know, they're well balanced.
Speaker 7: They've got three point shooting. They picked up DeAndre Hunter
Speaker 7: for their six man at the trade deadline here, so
Speaker 7: that you know they've got all the peoples. Maybe it
Speaker 7: was just one of those seasons where you know, they
Speaker 7: were caught looking ahead a little bit and thought that
Speaker 7: they sort of leave their own height where it was like, hey,
Speaker 7: we're going straight back to the conference finals here, and
Speaker 7: you know, didn't really give the Paces the respect they deserve.
Speaker 7: Kenny Atkinson remember, Coach of the Year, well deserving as well.
Speaker 7: I mean he I thought I saw, you know, watching
Speaker 7: the Cavs this season, they were a lot like those
Speaker 7: Brooklyn Nets teams that Kenny Atkinson had. Remember, they were
Speaker 7: fun to watch. They really seemed to be all on
Speaker 7: the same page and cheering each other on. And it
Speaker 7: felt like, you know, the Cavs were on the path
Speaker 7: here to the conference finals before before sort of you
Speaker 7: know that they couldn't quite get it done there in
Speaker 7: the conference. So very interesting season.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 7: I don't think they'll decide to blow it up or
Speaker 7: anything like that. I think they'll just try to take
Speaker 7: care of business a little bit better next season, because
Speaker 7: overall a lot of their guys are under contract. I
Speaker 7: think they're a better team than they performed in the playoffs,
Speaker 7: and maybe sometimes a loss like this can actually help
Speaker 7: you in the future. So we'll find out that, you know,
Speaker 7: Indiana again, they the way they ended the season was
Speaker 7: just so impressive that they find themselves in this position.
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, a lot of people around
Speaker 7: the league may see as a surprise, but I don't
Speaker 7: think the Indiana Pacers themselves are all that surprise that
Speaker 7: they're in this position.
Speaker 2: Moving out this way, Lee, I was surprised to learn
Speaker 2: this morning when I was doing a little reading a
Speaker 2: prep for the show, that the two best records in
Speaker 2: pro basketball since March first belonged to Oklahoma City, who
Speaker 2: has the best record, and then the Minnesota Timberwolves, who
Speaker 2: have the second best record. Let's start with the Minnesota
Speaker 2: side of things, and this is a team that's been
Speaker 2: together now for a few years, and they had a
Speaker 2: nice little playoff run last year. Of course, you need
Speaker 2: good fortune in the NBA playoffs, and you always had injuries.
Speaker 2: It was a bumber to see Tatum go down. And
Speaker 2: nobody wants to watch Golden's Day without watching Stephen Curry.
Speaker 2: But Minnesota won't apologize. What do you make of their
Speaker 2: route to the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 7: What stands out, Yeah, honestly a little bit like the
Speaker 7: Paces in that when they made that trade at the
Speaker 7: start of the season for Towns, you know, trading him away.
Speaker 6: I thought that was a bad move.
Speaker 7: I thought Towns has been there, they're finally having some success,
Speaker 7: and then they blow it up. I think for a
Speaker 7: weaker move in bringing Devincenzo and Julius Randall. But after
Speaker 7: that sluggish start, and remember they had to basically win
Speaker 7: on the last day of the season just to avoid
Speaker 7: the play in, they've really gotten together and been super impressive.
Speaker 7: And I think Chris Finch deserves a lot of credit
Speaker 7: because he's got them playing at this high level where
Speaker 7: they were really convincing against the Warriors. Of course you
Speaker 7: mentioned no Steph Curry, but even still they lost that
Speaker 7: first came remember at home when Steph left early on,
Speaker 7: so there was more that pressure of expectation like, oh,
Speaker 7: you can't lose possibly now to the Warriors without Steph.
Speaker 7: And they went out and won the next four games.
Speaker 7: And Anthony Edwards, I mean, he's ready, he's ready for
Speaker 7: the hype.
Speaker 6: He loves being the.
Speaker 7: Center of attention, and he's gone out there and delivered.
Speaker 7: And so you know, last season against the Mavericks, I
Speaker 7: saw Anthony Edwards on a podcast somewhere basically just sort
Speaker 7: of shaking his head at what Luca was able to do.
Speaker 7: But you could sort of see that fight in the
Speaker 7: eyes of Edwards in the way that he spoke was
Speaker 7: like he wasn't feeling sorry for himself. Instead he realized
Speaker 7: what it took to get to the next level. And
Speaker 7: so now he's back here, and I think last season,
Speaker 7: of course, with Team USA in Paris, he showed, you know,
Speaker 7: he learned from those guys like Kevin Durant and like
Speaker 7: Steph and Lebron. Being around those guys really helped him
Speaker 7: understand how important it is to take care of your
Speaker 7: body and to be ready and to embrace those moments
Speaker 7: when they come. So, you know, really good stuff here
Speaker 7: from the Timberwolves. I mean, you guys of course know
Speaker 7: Rudy very well there in Utah as well. I mean,
Speaker 7: he has been at times, you know, he sort of
Speaker 7: fluctuates a little bit, but when he's good, he's very
Speaker 7: very good. And you know, Rudy's he's been in the
Speaker 7: playoffs a lot. He's an experienced veteran and he plays
Speaker 7: such a role and he's going to have a huge
Speaker 7: role in this series now against the Thunder because they
Speaker 7: have the big guys chet, Holmgren and Hartenstein. So he's
Speaker 7: going to have his work cut out for him. But
Speaker 7: as we saw again against the Warriors, if you are
Speaker 7: able to really utilize Rudy on the offensive end, I
Speaker 7: think he grows even more on the defensive end and
Speaker 7: there'll be opportunities there for him. And you know, the
Speaker 7: Timberwolves are ready. I think they're in a really good spot.
Speaker 7: It's going to be a great series. I mean, obviously
Speaker 7: the Sunder have the best records, so they start at
Speaker 7: home and they were great, but they closed out their
Speaker 7: series only what two days ago? So does that favor
Speaker 7: you know, is rhythm more important than rest? Will find
Speaker 7: out because usually that's what the what the result of
Speaker 7: game one is that if the Thunder winners like see,
Speaker 7: you better to be a rhythm. If the Wolves winners
Speaker 7: like see an extra couple of days, rest away out.
Speaker 7: So there's no science if a proof of either answer,
Speaker 7: but it should be a fascinating game one either way.
Speaker 2: Makes you wonderly what a team would look like with
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell Rudy Gobert and their prime and a Mike
Speaker 2: Conley maybe and maybe a Joe Ingles.
Speaker 1: And it makes you wonder what that team would look like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it does, it does.
Speaker 7: And you know, the Atlanta Hawks coach Queen's Knight is
Speaker 7: a pretty good coach too, so I wonder how he
Speaker 7: would go with those sort of guys.
Speaker 1: Yes he is.
Speaker 2: And before I say you loose, I will take advantage
Speaker 2: of the space just to ask you about the Jazz
Speaker 2: because you know, ultimately it's tough to see any forward
Speaker 2: progress at this point, and this will be four years
Speaker 2: coming up since they made the decision to break that
Speaker 2: team down. We all gather around our television to watch
Speaker 2: the NBA Draft lottery and we all felt like we
Speaker 2: were punched in the gut when they fell to five.
Speaker 1: But what do you make of where we find ourselves
Speaker 1: around here?
Speaker 2: Before I set you loose with this rebuild that hasn't
Speaker 2: really brought a lot of hope to the fan base yet, well,
Speaker 2: all I.
Speaker 7: Will say, and I'll just preface this by saying, I'm
Speaker 7: not a draft expert, but I've heard and from what
Speaker 7: I read and understand, it's a fairly deep draft. So
Speaker 7: I think you could still get a very good player
Speaker 7: there at number five, but obviously the sites were set
Speaker 7: much higher. I mean, when you have a guy like
Speaker 7: Cooper Flagg, who's been the number one pick all season,
Speaker 7: that's the sort of you know, franchise altering player that
Speaker 7: you would ultimately hope to get your hands on. Now
Speaker 7: he goes to the Dallas Public somehow. I don't know
Speaker 7: how that happened, but it did, and the Jazz fall back.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's taking a little bit longer. And you know, look,
Speaker 7: Dannie Angels is acquiring a lot of draft capital, so
Speaker 7: you expect to see some move here soon. But I
Speaker 7: know it's frustrating. I lived in Toronto for nine years
Speaker 7: and when your team sort of, you know, year in
Speaker 7: year out, feels like they're either rebuilding or they're you know,
Speaker 7: waiting for the next draft or the next season, it
Speaker 7: becomes pretty frustrating because it doesn't have to.
Speaker 1: Be like that.
Speaker 7: You know, things don't always necessarily turn around after one
Speaker 7: or two seasons. But when it gets up to that
Speaker 7: four and five mark, you're just like, come on, man,
Speaker 7: do something here. We want to see some wins again here.
Speaker 7: We don't want to be continually looking down the road
Speaker 7: at the next you know, two three fourths seasons away,
Speaker 7: So I get the frustration, but I will say, I
Speaker 7: mean Utah when they're playing well, it's it's one of
Speaker 7: the most fascinating home court advantages I think in the league.
Speaker 7: I talked to Quinn Snyder a lot about this this
Speaker 7: year when I was down at Hawks games, and you know,
Speaker 7: he said, like that home ground, that home court there
Speaker 7: was so important for you know, you know, securing home
Speaker 7: court in the in the playoffs, and so you know,
Speaker 7: he knows what it's like. And as a fan, I've
Speaker 7: never been to Utah, but I've seen it, and I
Speaker 7: think and I hope the Jazz fans that it's not
Speaker 7: too long before we see that environment again, because it
Speaker 7: is certainly one of the most exciting to watch for
Speaker 7: fans on TV.
Speaker 2: Got some good pickup hoops out here, Lee, you should
Speaker 2: make your way out of here before I set you loose.
Speaker 2: Tell all of our listeners where they can go find
Speaker 2: your work.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just on the socials. My name Lee ls L
Speaker 7: E I G H E L L I S I
Speaker 7: mean New York City for these games. I'll be in
Speaker 7: Indiana for the for the entire series. I'll be where
Speaker 7: however long it goes. So if anyone is in New York,
Speaker 7: I may hit up the rock A Park on Thursday
Speaker 7: to shoot around and have some fun up there, and
Speaker 7: then they happen Indiana the same thing I'll be. I'll
Speaker 7: looking for a few outdoor courts to play on while
Speaker 7: I'm out there, So hopefully if there's any fans listening,
Speaker 7: they can hit me up and we'll connect and have
Speaker 7: some fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, always a pleasure, save travels and we'll
Speaker 1: do it again anytime.
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: It is a Tuesday on the program. You know what
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Speaker 2: It's time for our weekly conversation with the legend himself,
Speaker 2: star of every ESPN and quite frankly TNT broadcast. I'm
Speaker 2: watching out this way, Tim McMahon. A lot of TV
Speaker 2: phace time for our guy these days.
Speaker 1: Tim, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 6: Oh hey, partners, I want to go just kind of
Speaker 6: scroll the court. Uh, you know, I'm getting ready for
Speaker 6: this Western Conference finals. And now they decided to do
Speaker 6: a sound check, decided to retweet back to the bowels
Speaker 6: of the pay Calm Center.
Speaker 1: I see, I see.
Speaker 2: I had a friend text me the other day and said,
Speaker 2: is Tim intentionally played himself where he knows he can
Speaker 2: get the most camera time on these games?
Speaker 1: So I just have to ask you that right out
Speaker 1: of the gates.
Speaker 6: Well, listen, I like those court side seats. I'm getting
Speaker 6: squeezed out of them tonight, you know, Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 6: You got all these other folks coming in NBA folks
Speaker 6: taking my seat. So I'm gonna I think I still
Speaker 6: got a good one. But I'm all from the corner.
Speaker 6: I won't be right behind the visiting coach where you
Speaker 6: get a lot of good airtime.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: I will take advantage of you on the show today,
Speaker 2: not literally, but I will take advantage of the time
Speaker 2: to ask you about the Jazz, even though I know
Speaker 2: there's not a lot to talk about. There's just a
Speaker 2: ton of reports that after falling to five, they are
Speaker 2: going to try to be bold and maybe potentially move up.
Speaker 2: Who in front of them, Tim, do you think is
Speaker 2: most likely to trade their pick and you think the
Speaker 2: Jazz can get involved.
Speaker 6: Well, I think most likely would be san Antonio. But
Speaker 6: I think if san Antono is trading that pick, it's
Speaker 6: probably an Yannis type of package. It will not be
Speaker 6: the Mavericks. Number one is not available. Aside from that,
Speaker 6: I could really probably see any of those other teams
Speaker 6: willing to discuss because look, my understanding of this strap.
Speaker 6: I'm by no means of draft Bee. I watched maybe
Speaker 6: a total of three or four hours of college basketball
Speaker 6: this year, perhaps not true about five or six anyways,
Speaker 6: Cooper fly clear cut number one, UH, number two, Harper,
Speaker 6: Dylan Harper, and then kind of the conversation as far
Speaker 6: as you know, buging now of the Beholder probably starts
Speaker 6: at number three. So I think especially you know, three
Speaker 6: or four I think could be up for grabs if
Speaker 6: the Jazz are willing to obviously incentivize that they've got
Speaker 6: a tough future picks to play with, you know, extra
Speaker 6: picks to play with. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 6: there's you know, with I don't know with Philly honestly
Speaker 6: taking Paul George, who might be considered to be appealing. So,
Speaker 6: you know, we'll see what happens. I think there's a
Speaker 6: lot of things that are possibility.
Speaker 2: Have you been able to connect with anybody over here
Speaker 2: about their thoughts on, you know, falling to five and
Speaker 2: their thoughts on being in a position, UH to potentially
Speaker 2: try to be bold based off of all the assets
Speaker 2: they have. Do you have any any idea tim where
Speaker 2: the head is at of the Utah Jazz front office
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 6: Well, listen, obviously very disappointed to fall to five, but
Speaker 6: also fully understanding that was statistically the most likely of
Speaker 6: any scenario. I mean, there was like a forty eight
Speaker 6: percent chance they ended up with number five take and
Speaker 6: only fourteen percent chance of number one. And so you know,
Speaker 6: we'll see what that means in terms of aggressivenessess as
Speaker 6: far as moving up what this summer looks like. But
Speaker 6: you know, I did talk to somebody who basically basically
Speaker 6: indicated to me that, hey, tankings are really risky strategy
Speaker 6: with the lottery odds flattened, and you know, there's a
Speaker 6: there's discussions that need to be had about the rationale
Speaker 6: for tanking versus the risk of ending up in this
Speaker 6: scenario and really the challenges that come along with real
Speaker 6: player development when quote unquote player development's your priority.
Speaker 2: We learned this year that nobody's off limits. I mean, hell,
Speaker 2: if Luca can be traded, anybody could be traded. But
Speaker 2: do you think the Jazz would actively shop. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw market In and Kessler out there, because honestly,
Speaker 2: I think those are the only two players that I
Speaker 2: would say have proven to be here for the long haul.
Speaker 2: Do you think they would be on the table potentially,
Speaker 2: and maybe the Jazz just go all in on being
Speaker 2: really young and kind of starting the clock.
Speaker 6: Now, Well, I think you're asking two different things. Would
Speaker 6: they actively shop or would they be on the table.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about actively shop. I think anything is
Speaker 6: on the table. I mean Traden Lowry marketing in and
Speaker 6: trading Walker Tesler was on the table for the Jazz
Speaker 6: last summer. They were just asking for, you know, an
Speaker 6: extreme premium type of price, and like there's a lot
Speaker 6: to talk about marketing and the Warriors. Nothing ever got
Speaker 6: close because not only were the Warriors not including Brandon
Speaker 6: Pajevski in any conversations, which is a deal killer, but
Speaker 6: they weren't willing to go all in on the picks,
Speaker 6: and the Jazz wanted ed things. Look, could those kind
Speaker 6: of conversations be restarted? Sure, I could see that again.
Speaker 6: I think Kessler they were asking for a lot last summer,
Speaker 6: and given the circumstances, I thought he had a really
Speaker 6: really good season, only adding to his value. My guess
Speaker 6: is they will both be in Utah next season. But
Speaker 6: I don't think it's a certainly by any stretch of
Speaker 6: the imagination.
Speaker 2: One more thing here, Tim, your buddy Bobby Mark sopped
Speaker 2: on yesterday and did an excellent job of outlining just
Speaker 2: how we have entered this era of parody in the NBA.
Speaker 2: It's a topic that's been discussed quite a bit. You've
Speaker 2: got you guys have dug into it on the hoof
Speaker 2: collective and you know, the markets like cities like ours
Speaker 2: have star players championships on Milwaukee, Denver, and then we
Speaker 2: have Indianapolis, Minnesota and Okay, seeing the conference finals and
Speaker 2: I just feel like, and Bobby was great with this.
Speaker 2: You know, the new CBA expires in twenty thirty, so
Speaker 2: that's a five year runway. It just kind of adds
Speaker 2: a little bit of sting around here that the Jazz
Speaker 2: aren't ready to capitalize on this landscape that seems to
Speaker 2: be built for a city like Salt Lake and a
Speaker 2: team like the Jazz.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I hear what you're saying, And I would
Speaker 6: just remind you that the Jazz just and we can
Speaker 6: debate the semantics of contender, right sure, but I'm going
Speaker 6: to say the Jazz just had a pretty long chapter
Speaker 6: as a contender that closed. You know, they're trying to
Speaker 6: open up a new one. It feels a million miles
Speaker 6: away right now, but you know, it's not that long
Speaker 6: ago that that Rudy and Donovan or there in Utah
Speaker 6: on a team that you felt like had a chance
Speaker 6: that just never was able to get over the hump.
Speaker 6: You know, could never break through. But you know, had
Speaker 6: the best record and was the best run in the
Speaker 6: NBA that year. Ye, So you know, again it's not
Speaker 6: like it's just been eons and eons of the jazz
Speaker 6: out in the wilder and if they had a chance,
Speaker 6: you know, they weren't able to get over to humps
Speaker 6: for a variety of reasons. They decided to go ahead
Speaker 6: and pivot from that and break that team up.
Speaker 7: And now you know, it's been a few years of this.
Speaker 7: I'm sure it's tough to live through. It feels like
Speaker 7: it's been a long time. It's frustrating. But again, this
Speaker 7: is that you're not the Charlotte to one it's it's
Speaker 7: been forever, you know, or the Washington Wizards or one
Speaker 7: of those type of teams. This franchise has recently experienced
Speaker 7: a pretty high level of success.
Speaker 2: Surely you have a hot take on Isaiah Collier and
Speaker 2: Kyle Philipowski not making either first or second team All
Speaker 2: NBA Rookie.
Speaker 6: I will be honest with you, I skimmed the All
Speaker 6: Rookie selections and they have not really sunk my teeth
Speaker 6: into uh or done a whole lot of things ken
Speaker 6: about them. Color surprised me a little bit. Yeah, that
Speaker 6: surprised me a little bit. I thought the Jazz is
Speaker 6: a nice little marketing campaign. They they sent me some
Speaker 6: of those. One of those posters is on the wall
Speaker 6: one of my boys, So you know, we at least
Speaker 6: got have to vote to my house about Unfortunately, my
Speaker 6: boys don't have an official ballot, but kas and Isaiah
Speaker 6: Collier fans in North Dallas.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on.
Speaker 2: We were able to get six minutes on the Jazz,
Speaker 2: which is more than I thought we could.
Speaker 1: So let's move on.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm impressed that you were able to play along,
Speaker 2: but that's why you're a pro. I continue to give
Speaker 2: you credit. And I talked about this to start the
Speaker 2: show because with about three weeks in the regular season
Speaker 2: left you on the regular season, I asked you, who's
Speaker 2: the team that can throw punches with OKC and the
Speaker 2: answer would very based off the week. You know, the
Speaker 2: Lakers get Luca? Could it be the Lakers? Lakers? The
Speaker 2: Warriors get Jimmy? Could it be the Warriors. You're the
Speaker 2: one that said watch out for Minnesota, and I read
Speaker 2: this morning.
Speaker 1: I did not know this.
Speaker 2: The two best records in pro basketball since March first
Speaker 2: are Oklahoma City and the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Timberwolves side of things.
Speaker 2: What is what are your main takeaways with how they
Speaker 2: finished a regular season and how they've been able to
Speaker 2: advance to the conference finals.
Speaker 6: You got to start with Julius Randall and look for
Speaker 6: a lot of the season it was about figuring out
Speaker 6: the Randalls fit and it was clunky and like could
Speaker 6: he really not just coexist but thrive with And you
Speaker 6: got two kind of ball stopping, you know, star type
Speaker 6: of players. What's you know? They like to operate kind
Speaker 6: of similar rhythms where they're kind of getting each other's
Speaker 6: way and bogging things down for each other. For a
Speaker 6: lot of the season, the space wasn't quite right. You know,
Speaker 6: there's also the ruty factor as far as part of
Speaker 6: the spacing and ingredients there. They took a long time
Speaker 6: to figure things out. There's a lot of button their
Speaker 6: heads up against walls, a lot of frustration. They felt
Speaker 6: like they were making progress and then boom it makes
Speaker 6: you know, gets his hammy. So he's come back from
Speaker 6: that hand me though, this thing is taken off of them.
Speaker 6: You know you mentioned the record down a stretch. You know,
Speaker 6: obviously they they sitting here in the Western Common Finals. Randall,
Speaker 6: a guy who had a reputation, is kind of a
Speaker 6: playoff dog, to be honest with you, after Instant New
Speaker 6: York has been awesome during his playoffs. He has been
Speaker 6: a bona five legitimate All NBA caliber co stars day.
Speaker 6: He's been All NBA before, but not in the playoffs
Speaker 6: and played at that level in the playoffs until this season.
Speaker 6: But here he is. You know, they've obviously got a
Speaker 6: really good eating the team. They've got the you know, top,
Speaker 6: top level type of superstar in ant er, it was
Speaker 6: approaching the top level. But this really is clicked because
Speaker 6: Julius Randall has found his comfort zone and has taken off.
Speaker 6: And you know, this is a big team with two
Speaker 6: go two guys you know up down the roster, dudes
Speaker 6: who are scared to get the nose Verdy in terms
Speaker 6: of of defending. I will say Raynolds playing the best
Speaker 6: defense in his career too. That's been a major factor.
Speaker 6: And you know, we're going to find out what kind
Speaker 6: of fight they can put up against the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 1: Is there a home for Mike in this series?
Speaker 2: Mike Conley, I mean, you know, four or five years ago,
Speaker 2: at six', one he still had decent shift ability and
Speaker 2: speed move move side to. Side when you look at Ok,
Speaker 2: see Even Cason wallace is six,', THREE like i Wonder
Speaker 2: if mike is going to be able to play big
Speaker 2: Minutes For chris finch in.
Speaker 6: This, series well and that's that's one of the questions
Speaker 6: that we're going to. Find out like con is no
Speaker 6: longer like a thirty five even a thirty plus minute per.
Speaker 6: Game guy obviously he's kind of shifted into more of a.
Speaker 6: COMPLIMENTARY role i do think though he still has value.
Speaker 6: FOR them i got to protect, them defense so he
Speaker 6: got to kind of hide them a little, bit defensively
Speaker 6: but just the, calming presence, you know kind of, the
Speaker 6: orchestrator the guy who pets. Things organized i'll, say this
Speaker 6: even if he doesn't play a, whole lot he's got
Speaker 6: extreme value, for him just as that stage vets of
Speaker 6: voice on the bench and in the, locker room and
Speaker 6: you know an extra Pair Of Isivanniers. Anthony edwards so
Speaker 6: who do you?
Speaker 2: Think draws who do you think draws the primary Assignment?
Speaker 2: ON ant, i mean with an offensive talent, like that
Speaker 2: you want to throw a bunch of different looks, and
Speaker 2: okay see has a bunch of.
Speaker 1: Different bodies Is, it dort Is? It jalen Is?
Speaker 2: It shay who do you think draws THE primary, i,
Speaker 2: mean hell We Saw, Alex, Caruso Gardner. Kola jokich who
Speaker 2: do you think draws the primary Assignment?
Speaker 6: On ant it's sure as that will Not. Be shay
Speaker 6: it's gonna Be. Lou Dort lou dort's gonna start off.
Speaker 6: ON him i Think lou dort will spend the most time.
Speaker 6: ON him i think it's primarily going To. BE lou
Speaker 6: i think he's also going to see a healthy built
Speaker 6: to Case. And wallace my guess Is that crusoe is
Speaker 6: going to spend more Time On julius randall mean He Will.
Speaker 6: Anthony edwards i'm sure he'll see. Him some but, you
Speaker 6: know Think about cruso's impact defensively so far in, These
Speaker 6: playoffs Completely Eight Jaron jackson junior live in the, first
Speaker 6: round And then, game Seven the thunder's big Adjustment was
Speaker 6: huso ended up being the guy who spent the most
Speaker 6: Time on joker in. That, game now there's a lot
Speaker 6: of help obviously, involved there but one of the great
Speaker 6: Strength of pruso as a defender in addition just had
Speaker 6: insane hands, and instincts is that this is a tough
Speaker 6: dude who's got the ability to. Guard UP so i
Speaker 6: think he'll be THE primary i don't need. TO start
Speaker 6: i think he'll get more time anybody Else On. Julius
Speaker 6: randall AND again i think if lou Dor On, anthony
Speaker 6: edwards to me is as fascinating with an individual matchup
Speaker 6: as you could possibly come.
Speaker 1: UP with i agree on the, Other side sga Is?
Speaker 1: It jaden Is?
Speaker 2: It antot who draws the primary signmon ON shaf.
Speaker 6: I would think they would start Off with jade McDaniels
Speaker 6: on him for the simple fact that you don't necessarily
Speaker 6: want and to have to exhaust that kind of energy
Speaker 6: playing forty plus minutes per, game now and it's going
Speaker 6: to get his fair share time. On THEM but i
Speaker 6: don't think you want him to have to do that
Speaker 6: from the opening Tip of game one?
Speaker 1: For sure, all right the go.
Speaker 2: Bear factor, of course we are familiar with it, around
Speaker 2: here and, YOU know i was thinking about this Tim
Speaker 2: Watching mitchell robinson really guard like five positions on a
Speaker 2: couple of different possessions With the celtics and the modern
Speaker 2: day five out spacing offensive attack that most teams like
Speaker 2: to use is a really tough ask on. Most, Bigs
Speaker 2: now rudy can, handle it even though some people think that.
Speaker 2: He cannot how do You think okase goes about. Their
Speaker 2: business do you think they're going to try to go
Speaker 2: small to at Least, neutralize rudy make him chase these
Speaker 2: perimeter players around.
Speaker 1: The floor.
Speaker 6: It's like a a pitcher with like, eight, Pitches right
Speaker 6: they've got a lot. Of stuff they can go a
Speaker 6: lot of. DIFFERENT ways i think they start off with
Speaker 6: their two gigs and kind of go. From there And
Speaker 6: in game one is Really For. Mark dagnall it's kind
Speaker 6: of a feel. Out game it's still in a lot
Speaker 6: of different Things that i'm seeing how they, respond to
Speaker 6: is seeing how they. Handle it they do have the
Speaker 6: ability to play shit in a lineup that is fied
Speaker 6: out with a seven footer on. THE floor i think
Speaker 6: you'll see a lot. Of, that honestly looking at It from,
Speaker 6: MINNESOTA'S perspective i think, feel, like hey let's see if
Speaker 6: check and. Hit shots he hadn't shot it well during.
Speaker 6: The playoffs that goes back to. Last year, you know
Speaker 6: THEY certainly i think will play small some With with
Speaker 6: cluso almost AS a i guess there's a small ball
Speaker 6: center and then just kind of a crazy switching type.
Speaker 6: Of lineup AND again i think they'll go too big
Speaker 6: some with with or a lot to, start games Certainly
Speaker 6: with Hart and Stein. And HOLMER so i think there
Speaker 6: will be a lot of different. Looks there and you,
Speaker 6: know what like go bet obviously you think the root
Speaker 6: do you think would be fans full time deepers play
Speaker 6: of the year and just you know he's going to
Speaker 6: have to be awesome on that in. THE floor i
Speaker 6: think his screening in this series is going to. Be
Speaker 6: Critical lou dort is as good as there is in.
Speaker 6: The League as i've got a part rolling, by me
Speaker 6: they're like. A Hundreds lou dord is as good as
Speaker 6: there is in the league at navigating screens and Obviously
Speaker 6: getting dort off of and is going to be, a
Speaker 6: huge huge Deal. For minnesota so, You know rudy prides
Speaker 6: himself is the best screen in. The league has to
Speaker 6: be put to the test in.
Speaker 2: The series in, The playoffs Shay And jalen williams combined
Speaker 2: are averaging, let's see this would be forty nine point
Speaker 2: six points between the two. Of them Aunt And julius
Speaker 2: randall averaging forty nine. Point four so it's nearly a
Speaker 2: standstill better one to two Offensive Punch Aunt, Julius Randall
Speaker 2: Shay jaln williams.
Speaker 9: So far in.
Speaker 6: These playoffs so far in, the playoffs it has been
Speaker 6: has been And joyous randall, Because Honestly jarren williams hasn't
Speaker 6: had a great, playoff series so are a, great playoffs great.
Speaker 6: Post league, so far he's had some. Good games he's
Speaker 6: not shot the, ball though he's not shot the. Three
Speaker 6: wheel he's playing with a really painful. Risk injury don't
Speaker 6: want to use who as, an excuse but like if
Speaker 6: you saw the ty job underneath that, shooting sleeve you
Speaker 6: Know what i'm. Talking about they need more Of The
Speaker 6: jade Doug from. Game seven if they get, that GUY
Speaker 6: then i Think, it's, okay see because let's just be
Speaker 6: straight up as Awesome as ann, is days there's the
Speaker 6: only two other guys that would put a conversation with
Speaker 6: him is in terms of that level of offensive talents
Speaker 6: the guy That the thunder just Beat and luca those
Speaker 6: are the only. Two guys this dude just average damn
Speaker 6: thirty three points. A game let the league is scoring
Speaker 6: on sixty plus food, shooting percentage, you know, crazy efficiency,
Speaker 6: you know great assistant. Turnover ratio like the guy can
Speaker 6: score in so many of. The ways he's the best
Speaker 6: offense player in. The SERIES but I Think jaylen williams
Speaker 6: is four and it's a pretty distant form in terms
Speaker 6: of the postseason.
Speaker 2: Right now chet Is okay c's. Third option Who is
Speaker 2: minnesota's third option or is it? By committee.
Speaker 6: It's, by COMMITTEE and i think You would you could
Speaker 6: argue that it's their. Sixth man you could argue this
Speaker 6: not big or, seventh Pain even Shinzo. Nas reeve, You
Speaker 6: know jay McDaniels has had some big games in, These
Speaker 6: PLAYOFFS but i think he's a guy who's going into
Speaker 6: a series like you want to you want to see
Speaker 6: if he's. Making shots but you know there are nights
Speaker 6: where he looks like that type. Of DUDE so i
Speaker 6: don't think there's a clear cut third Option.
Speaker 2: For bill, all RIGHT before i say, you loose do
Speaker 2: you have? A lean this feels like a, heavyweight. Fight,
Speaker 2: man okay see is, the favorite, of COURSE but i
Speaker 2: would not Sleep. On minnesota are you leaning one way or?
Speaker 1: The other and?
Speaker 6: WHY oh i definitely would lean towards the team that
Speaker 6: won sixty eight games and have the best point DIFFERENTIAL in,
Speaker 6: Nba HISTORY and i would cite those as the as the.
Speaker 6: Two REASONS but i think he's gonna be a. Heckord serious?
Speaker 1: Fair enough, All, Right tim thanks for, the. Time man
Speaker 1: enjoy the game tonight should be a.
Speaker 6: Good one, appreciate, you brother.
Speaker 2: All right The great tim McMahon COVERS the NBA for
Speaker 2: espn joins us on a. Weekly basis all of his
Speaker 2: work is up On his twitter PAGE At espn, underscore
Speaker 2: McMahon including the link to the Book that tim wrote
Speaker 2: that was Released, In, March luka Doncic And the Curse.
Speaker 1: Of greatness you can check that out On his.
Speaker 2: Twitter Page The conference finals begin tonight in the world
Speaker 2: of pro BASKETBALL with Okc.
Speaker 1: And Minnesota oklahoma city is a six point five.
Speaker 2: Point favorite and then tomorrow night it is time For
Speaker 2: The eastern conference side of things As The New. York
Speaker 2: knicks we'll welcome In The boston Celtics To Madison. Square
Speaker 2: Garden first conference finals For the knicks since the year
Speaker 2: two thousand when they played, coincidentally Enough The. Indiana pacers,
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Speaker 1: Stay, Tuned Smitty, happy. Tuesday sir how. Are you we're, Doing,
Speaker 1: great spence what's going? On here it's great to. SEE
Speaker 1: you a lot of stuff, going on a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: going ON and i need to. GIVE you i need
Speaker 1: to give.
Speaker 2: You credit as the kids, Would say i'm gonna give your,
Speaker 2: flowers wow because you. Are good to remind us that
Speaker 2: when it comes to, playoff basketball anything, can happen Like
Speaker 2: A steph curry hamstring Or A jason. Tatum, achilles unfortunately
Speaker 2: no part of me Thought the knicks had a chance
Speaker 2: Against The. Boston, celtics yet for the first time since
Speaker 2: the year, two Thousand The New york knicks are back
Speaker 2: in the. Conference finals in two thousand they Play The,
Speaker 2: indiana pacers and in twenty twenty five they will Play The.
Speaker 1: Indiana pacers, you.
Speaker 9: Know so it's, Wild.
Speaker 10: Too spence the LAST night i was on a flight
Speaker 10: coming Back To salt LAKE and i just happened to
Speaker 10: flip on. The screen it was a thirty for thirty
Speaker 10: On the knicks two championship teams in seventy and, seventy
Speaker 10: three and just the genesis of that and all the
Speaker 10: guys talking, about It And walt Frazier And bill Bradley
Speaker 10: And phil jackson and all, Those guys and it was
Speaker 10: a reminder of how electric the league, can be especially,
Speaker 10: you Know With new york being the center of it
Speaker 10: When the knicks are good and when, they're competitive and
Speaker 10: how that kind of ramps.
Speaker 9: Everybody up so it's.
Speaker 10: A fun time of the year in, the playoffs especially
Speaker 10: when you get TO the nba version Of The, final
Speaker 10: four but also if you happen to Be a knicks
Speaker 10: fan wherever, you are, you know it's kind of a,
Speaker 10: you know maybe a, semi unexpected, you know turn of
Speaker 10: events to get to. This far but that's why you're playing.
Speaker 10: The playoffs it's. What happens. You know you can get
Speaker 10: that right spence or you can get the, flip side
Speaker 10: which is what the Unfortunately the, jazz had, you know,
Speaker 10: three four five, years ago and they were one of
Speaker 10: the better teams and one of the expected teams to
Speaker 10: make an extended run and then stub their toe a
Speaker 10: few times in the playoffs Against, the clippers and and
Speaker 10: and just you know a reminder of how tenuous it
Speaker 10: is at this time, of year and how fine that
Speaker 10: line is on the positive side or the, negative side
Speaker 10: just depending what. Can, happen right everybody Had the celtics
Speaker 10: And Then jason tatum goes, down unfortunately and But the
Speaker 10: knicks have been playing well And the knicks have won
Speaker 10: is it four or five road gamesaive road games in
Speaker 10: the first two.
Speaker 1: Two series.
Speaker 10: That's unbelievable, you Know The, HOUSTON rockets i believe have
Speaker 10: the Record if i'm, not mistaken in ninety four when
Speaker 10: they won, the championship, They won. THEY won i believe
Speaker 10: it was nine road games to get TO The nba
Speaker 10: championship and they had two series where they won three
Speaker 10: road games in particular series on their way to. Doing
Speaker 10: that and that's, to me that's always been one of
Speaker 10: the great accomplishments and never gets talked, about enough is
Speaker 10: Is how houston made that run that year and especially
Speaker 10: all those road games they wont.
Speaker 2: Oh it get it gets, Talked, About smidy it gets
Speaker 2: talked about plenty because they Beat.
Speaker 1: The knicks who Did the jazz lose to in?
Speaker 2: Ninety, four no it was ROCKET because i can remember
Speaker 2: so for our, younger listeners look. It Up michael jordan
Speaker 2: had retired and as a child Of the jazz And.
Speaker 2: THE knicks i thought, to myself ninety four is the
Speaker 2: year That the jazz And the knicks are going to
Speaker 2: play in. THE finals i had Forgot that houston actually beat. Both, teams,
Speaker 2: yeah Well the Houston the jazz. Were favored they came
Speaker 2: in as the, three Seed that houston was a sixth Seed.
Speaker 2: The jazz and that was the year the jazzon made
Speaker 2: the Trade for jeff warn a SECOND and uh and
Speaker 2: And the jazz are feeling pretty good and we're in a,
Speaker 2: good SPOT and Uh and Houston went that was when
Speaker 2: the first round series were best of five And the
Speaker 2: jazz had the first two at home and went to
Speaker 2: to and then the fifth game was Here In, salt
Speaker 2: lake AND and uh And the jazz are up seven
Speaker 2: with five minutes to go, at HOME and Uh And
Speaker 2: clyde drexler went on the little runs RIGHT and uh
Speaker 2: And the jazz couldn't stop him at that moment, in
Speaker 2: TIME and Uh and houston got over the hump in
Speaker 2: that series and then parlayed that into a great run all,
Speaker 2: THE way uh to. The finals but that was that,
Speaker 2: also precipitated, you know a lot of a thinking AND
Speaker 2: and uh, head scratching you know By the jazz the
Speaker 2: next couple of years really was was what Precipitated the
Speaker 2: jazz bringing In A chris morris because when we looked
Speaker 2: at that and and tried to, analyze everything and and
Speaker 2: you never try and get, you know too reactionary to
Speaker 2: those things again plus, or minus because it's a series
Speaker 2: and a couple things can happen in a couple, of
Speaker 2: games and you don't want to wipe away what you
Speaker 2: did over a six month period over eighty two games
Speaker 2: because you had a, bad weekend right or something. Like
Speaker 2: that but when we looked, at That the jazz, looked,
Speaker 2: at hey if we are going to get over, this
Speaker 2: hump Which the jazz felt at, that time we have a.
Speaker 9: Good team we have a highly.
Speaker 10: Competitive team, you know we can really do, some damage,
Speaker 10: you know in these coming years with the core we
Speaker 10: have Now With stockton Malone. And horniseck but we have
Speaker 10: to have someone if we get to this spot again
Speaker 10: that can play a matchup Against A clyde drexler, type
Speaker 10: guy because we're going to be seeing. Him again and
Speaker 10: so that precipitated the move that Eventually Became chris morris
Speaker 10: being added to, the team and then We play houston
Speaker 10: in ninety seven In That western, conference finals and now
Speaker 10: they got, a team but they've Also added barkley to
Speaker 10: go Along, with drexler And the jazz were able to
Speaker 10: counter with their, big three But Also chris morris to
Speaker 10: match up Some against drexler just in terms of his
Speaker 10: length and athleticism and And the jazz, you know pushed
Speaker 10: through at that time and got to their first finals in.
Speaker 10: Ninety Seven b russ on. That Team b, Russ, was
Speaker 10: yeah he was the. Starting three so he, oh, yeah,
Speaker 10: yeah yeah, he was and and and and he became
Speaker 10: a he worked, his way. You Know brian russell was
Speaker 10: a second round pick Out Of Long beach state and
Speaker 10: came in as as really a post player out of
Speaker 10: college and uh and made himself into A viable nba
Speaker 10: wing defender and what is commonly referred to now as
Speaker 10: a THREE and, d guy and became a reliable enough
Speaker 10: three point shooter that that helped Offset What jeff hornseack
Speaker 10: was able to do on the other wing with, his
Speaker 10: shooting and then of course spaced, that, floor Uh for
Speaker 10: Carl and john to run picking rolls And for carl
Speaker 10: to have some space to operate.
Speaker 1: Down low, shandon, Too Right.
Speaker 10: Shandon Anderson and anderson was a rookie in, ninety seven
Speaker 10: so his first two years in the league were the
Speaker 10: two years At the jazz run to.
Speaker 9: The finals, that yeah.
Speaker 2: That's RIGHT so i was thinking about THIS when i
Speaker 2: saw you on the, rundown today because you had a
Speaker 2: front row seat to The Early jalen brunson experience With The.
Speaker 2: Dallas mavericks, THE final I guess I'll say nail and
Speaker 2: the coffin without trying to be too Dramatic Of Gobert.
Speaker 2: Mitchell quinn you know that group was the series you
Speaker 2: guys Played. Against dallas luca, Gets Hurt rick carlisle gives
Speaker 2: the Ball. To jalen you're our ball and hand, guy
Speaker 2: now and it worked, really WELL and i think it
Speaker 2: caught a lot of people. Off guard and of Course
Speaker 2: the knicks did. Their calculation, they said we're going to
Speaker 2: go all in on. That kid His dad rick as.
Speaker 2: An assistant he Was a nick back in. The day
Speaker 2: are you surprised To see jalen elevate to this level
Speaker 2: or did you see it coming based off of what you.
Speaker 1: Guys, Experienced no I'm personally.
Speaker 10: I'M surprised i Always Liked jalen brunson coming out of College,
Speaker 10: at villanova, you know where they won. Two championships but
Speaker 10: he was he was always a. Steadying influence he always
Speaker 10: played with a.
Speaker 1: Calm.
Speaker 10: Demeanor uh he Got to dallas as a second. Round
Speaker 10: pick Give Give Dennis, Dennis, lindsay uh. Some, props dennis
Speaker 10: who's the general manager Of the jazz at, the Time
Speaker 10: Liked rick brunson in. The draft it didn't it didn't go.
Speaker 10: Our way he ended up going early in the second Round,
Speaker 10: to dallas. You know and again the way sometimes these,
Speaker 10: Things happened spence and and people people try and write
Speaker 10: it differently than it. Really was But but Rick, Brunt
Speaker 10: Rick jalen brunson was a nice player For The dallas
Speaker 10: mavericks and a good.
Speaker 9: Rotation guy doncic.
Speaker 10: Goes down you look down, the BENCH and i can
Speaker 10: give you countless times that's happened over my years IN
Speaker 10: the nba where, a coach, you know looked down the bench, and,
Speaker 10: said well uh pointed to and, guys said, you're up
Speaker 10: and you're you're expecting not, anything great be expecting someone
Speaker 10: to maybe plug their finger in the dike and just
Speaker 10: hold you in place somehow while some of your main
Speaker 10: guys go to work or somebody does something in, that
Speaker 10: regard and then somebody comes out of the Woodwork Like
Speaker 10: jalen brunson Against the jazz in that. Playoff series and
Speaker 10: uh and, And, again spence you look at it and
Speaker 10: and people will have their own version of of what
Speaker 10: you should or could or would have done. And Whatnot
Speaker 10: But jalen brunson was a surprise in, that series, played
Speaker 10: well helped them immensely to win. That, series Okay the
Speaker 10: jazz stubbed their toe in, that regard but now here
Speaker 10: we are several years Later And jalen brunson is doing
Speaker 10: the exact same thing when everybody he's going to do
Speaker 10: the exact, same thing and they haven't been able to.
Speaker 10: Stop it so it shows, his persistence, his development his
Speaker 10: talent and skill level that he has the confidence to play.
Speaker 10: That way and he's become obviously a main guy IN
Speaker 10: the nba and has showed everybody that he can lift
Speaker 10: that kind of heavy load when it's called. Upon him
Speaker 10: and but he may never have gotten the chance to,
Speaker 10: show that and he may, still be, you know a
Speaker 10: good rotation Guy for dallas on his second mid. Level
Speaker 10: contract whatever If if doncich hadn't, gotten hurt that's that's,
Speaker 10: that proverbial, you know be ready when your number, is
Speaker 10: called you know mantra and that you always. Tell guys
Speaker 10: and then when you're, in there here. You go you
Speaker 10: always said you wanted more. Playing time here's your more.
Speaker 10: Playing time let's see what. You got and To To jalen,
Speaker 10: brunson's credit he's been able to pilay that into you
Speaker 10: know what is he is now in the middle of
Speaker 10: a of A terrific nba career and uh and the
Speaker 10: main guy For the knicks at the at.
Speaker 2: The, Moment Yeah and i've been so impressed with his
Speaker 2: both mental and. PHYSICAL toughness i know it, sounds cliche
Speaker 2: but you look at him and he's a. Sturdy kid
Speaker 2: But Even, drew holliday who's one of the best primeter
Speaker 2: defensive players that we've had in, A generation drew had
Speaker 2: some good moments, on Him but jalen would take him
Speaker 2: down on. The Block derek white didn't have a prayer
Speaker 2: against Him because jalen just backed. Them down and six'
Speaker 2: one maybe six', One quite Honestly, and AGAIN bill but
Speaker 2: i DON'T know that i really knew that he had
Speaker 2: this physical presence and mental toughness the way and he
Speaker 2: seems like. A, perfect nick yeah.
Speaker 10: Well he's he's got the demeanor spence that when things,
Speaker 10: don't go right you. Never see him all these guys
Speaker 10: always always go crazy and they're yelling at the ref or,
Speaker 10: they're you know throwing a temper tantrum in the middle
Speaker 10: of the game and whatever way. They Want to jalen
Speaker 10: brunson always just has. A calm demeanor whether the, ball
Speaker 10: went in whether the ball, didn't go in or he,
Speaker 10: got the call he didn't.
Speaker 9: Get the, call you know. He's just.
Speaker 10: Playing he's, Playing You know john stockin was one of
Speaker 10: the greatest, at doing, it you know just looking ahead
Speaker 10: to the next play and not worrying about what happened,
Speaker 10: ten seconds ago. Good Or Bad and jalen brunson's. Got
Speaker 10: that skill and again To, the point DEWEY as, an
Speaker 10: nba fans ever see that if The scenario with, doncic years,
Speaker 10: earlier you know.
Speaker 9: DOESN'T doesn't occur i mean.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys just.
Speaker 10: Need the chance and that's why we always want to talk,
Speaker 10: about the draft which obviously will be doing a lot
Speaker 10: of in the next month or so and trying to
Speaker 10: project GUYS. At the nba you just never know how
Speaker 10: someone is, going to play no matter what their talent
Speaker 10: or Skill level or nate, poletic abilities are until they
Speaker 10: get in the fire and you put him in there and,
Speaker 10: the pressure's on and, now you see you know, how
Speaker 10: they think what, their twitch is what their, confidence level
Speaker 10: is all those kinds of things you. Never quite know
Speaker 10: it's the old It's The old.
Speaker 9: Mike.
Speaker 10: Tyson accident right everybody's got a plan until they get
Speaker 10: hit in the face and then the plan goes.
Speaker 9: Out the window and now we see what. You really
Speaker 9: Got And and jalen brunson's doing.
Speaker 1: That in. Spades you Know, frank is sola friend.
Speaker 2: Of the, Show in fact porter reach Out, to Is
Speaker 2: sola tell isola That with The nixon, the conference finals
Speaker 2: he has to come.
Speaker 1: On THE show he.
Speaker 9: I like this. I.
Speaker 10: Like this porter, by the way your guy here calling
Speaker 10: out like a national figure by, his LAST Name.
Speaker 1: Call i, SOLA without me i saw is NOT a.
Speaker 1: Thing i saw it's not a.
Speaker 2: Thing without Me but but frank always talks about and,
Speaker 2: then he'll tweet He'll write about there really isn't any
Speaker 2: hard data to support The Narrative that tom tibboteau plays his.
Speaker 2: Players too much it. Does not exist and when you,
Speaker 2: look at It This year steve kerr was. Playing ten
Speaker 2: guys steph, Does his hamstring Boston's ten d tatum. Does
Speaker 2: his achilles the data. Does not exist it's a narrative
Speaker 2: That exists that tom plays his. Guys, TOO much however
Speaker 2: i know. You Were Traveling, But friday, night game six
Speaker 2: the score is one hundred and ten TO seventy four
Speaker 2: yep with six Minutes Left and jalen brunson is fighting
Speaker 2: over Screen SET. By xavier tillmanep, pull the guys. PULL
Speaker 2: the starters I know It's tom's, THICK and again i want,
Speaker 2: to be clear there really. Is no data my soul
Speaker 2: has been on. This for years there's no Data to
Speaker 2: indicate tom plays his, players too much so they. All
Speaker 2: get hurt guys, just get hurt. No matter what but
Speaker 2: what do you make of that with five and a
Speaker 2: half minutes left, in the game all the starters are
Speaker 2: in and They're up forty why do you think he?
Speaker 1: Rolls, that way well If, you KNOW TIBs which i
Speaker 1: know you.
Speaker 10: Do is somewhat he is a high strung guy and
Speaker 10: he is all and he is He is he he's
Speaker 10: one of those guys who just believes and he just
Speaker 10: feels with his gut that no lead is safe and.
Speaker 10: It doesn't matter and you can talk to HIM and
Speaker 10: And I, know rick brunson one of, the assistant coaches
Speaker 10: is probably the best at it to be able to
Speaker 10: go up to, him, and, say, hey coach, coach it's,
Speaker 10: uh you know let's get him, out or something and
Speaker 10: he'll he'll like look at him and give him a
Speaker 10: scowl like what? Are you, talking you, know, you, know
Speaker 10: okay yeah and wave him. Off or whatever and it's,
Speaker 10: Just against, uh tim's nature uh. To do that that's
Speaker 10: just the. Way he coaches he's gonna go down with with. With,
Speaker 10: those guys, okay it's smart it's, not smart whatever, But.
Speaker 10: You're right spence all, during the Season whenever the knicks
Speaker 10: had a little ripple or something didn't go right, during
Speaker 10: the season or they had, a you know lost, three
Speaker 10: or four, whatever it was there would always be people.
Speaker 10: Harping on it while he's playing this guys too much
Speaker 10: and it's too many minutes and you gotta cut it
Speaker 10: back as when you get, to the playoffs they got
Speaker 10: to have some energy left and blah blah blah and
Speaker 10: whatever and and but now they're in. The conference finals They've,
Speaker 10: beaten the celtics they had some Tough, games against detroit
Speaker 10: which is an up. And coming team they're in the
Speaker 10: final FOUR.
Speaker 9: Of the nba.
Speaker 10: You don't hear anybody complaining about tims is playing the, guys,
Speaker 10: TOO much, right i mean it's just a narrative that
Speaker 10: that somebody gets on and somebody takes it and runs.
Speaker 10: Off with it and whether it makes sense or, not or,
Speaker 10: whatever you know you always people always are going to
Speaker 10: use it to whatever way they want to, skew, the
Speaker 10: argument right and if they're if they're, losing some games it's,
Speaker 10: going to be.
Speaker 9: Oh they ran.
Speaker 10: Out of gas they played brunts at. Forty three minutes
Speaker 10: you can't do that then to, play you know whatever.
Speaker 10: It's gonna be and, So you know tis is gonna
Speaker 10: Coach the. Way TIBs has look he Did. It, in
Speaker 10: chicago uh He. Did in minnesota you know the way
Speaker 10: he's he Alway coaches The knicks new that's. How he
Speaker 10: coaches that's how he's gonna be if he can get
Speaker 10: his team to, a high level which. Obviously they have
Speaker 10: and they made the big. Trade last summer they went
Speaker 10: all in on this group by making The Trade For
Speaker 10: karl anthony towns and Also Bringing in michal bridges and
Speaker 10: giving up a bunch of their draft picks and all
Speaker 10: that kind of stuff they had, in the bank and
Speaker 10: they rolled the. Dice on it and again things have, fallen,
Speaker 10: their way.
Speaker 9: Right they won they.
Speaker 10: WON three games i think it Was in, the detroit
Speaker 10: series like in the, last thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: The ball.
Speaker 10: Fell their way they, made a shot they, got to
Speaker 10: stop they got To, steal the celtics the same thing,
Speaker 10: in game one and then they got they got The.
Speaker 10: Thing with tatum and so, to this point those breaks
Speaker 10: that they some of them, they've made themselves but some
Speaker 10: of them have. Happened for them and in whatever way
Speaker 10: you want, to interpret it they find themselves now in.
Speaker 10: The conference, finals and, uh you Know In, being new
Speaker 10: york as you Know very well, spence first, hand you know, whether,
Speaker 10: they win uh they'll, be the greatest the greatest. Thing
Speaker 10: on earth and, if they lose they'll they'll be down
Speaker 10: in the depths, Of, you know uh in the under
Speaker 10: six feet, under the ground and and there'll be this
Speaker 10: guy's fault and that guy's fault and the other guy's.
Speaker 10: Fault and whatever and that's just the way It Is.
Speaker 10: In new york and, at the moment they. Ride and
Speaker 10: high so we'll see what happens at. Starting, TOMORROW night.
Speaker 1: Honestly I was just i was, kind OF chuckling but
Speaker 1: i was a.
Speaker 2: LITTLE bit, Nervous i mean We're Watching o Gianna Nobe,
Speaker 2: guarding Baylor shireman, and i'm like what if what are
Speaker 2: we doing here on the other. Side of things i'll
Speaker 2: continue to give you credit as a, guy, that's like look.
Speaker 2: Anything can happen come, and playoff basketball and more, often
Speaker 2: than not in a, seven game series the best. Team
Speaker 2: does Advance and maybe indiana was just, the Best team
Speaker 2: but cleveland was so good in. The Regular season And
Speaker 2: kenny gets Coach of The year and donovan's probably gonna
Speaker 2: Be FIRST, Team all Nba Mobley gets defensive Player, of
Speaker 2: the year, and you know it Was. Interesting In smithy
Speaker 2: after game six it was a game six, Or game,
Speaker 2: five game Six when, the pacers won whichever the, Clothes
Speaker 2: Out was kenny atkinson readily admitted like they're at a level, That,
Speaker 2: we're not like they're better than we. Are right Now
Speaker 2: And then rick carlisle steps to the podium. And owns, it,
Speaker 2: he's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're flying we're.
Speaker 2: Playing the best basketball we played, all year long which is, the,
Speaker 2: old cliche right play the right way at the right time.
Speaker 2: Of the year what do you make of The way
Speaker 2: the pacers were able to Get rid of Donovan And.
Speaker 1: The, cleveland cavaliers well.
Speaker 9: It was a great.
Speaker 10: Series for them, first of all they, have been running
Speaker 10: running hot the second half. Of the season they've been.
Speaker 10: Playing Very Well. The indiana pacers they after they stumbled
Speaker 10: out of the Gates early In, november And, december and,
Speaker 10: halliburton you know maybe wasn't his usual self whatever early,
Speaker 10: in the season but they got their. Feed under them
Speaker 10: they Got Through the, all star break they played very well,
Speaker 10: the second half and they've just they've just gotten on
Speaker 10: a you know what some people would. Call a heater,
Speaker 10: they've they've played. They're playing well it's not a surprise
Speaker 10: because they're a good team and they've. Got good players
Speaker 10: but when they play together And The way rick, carlisle
Speaker 10: has them how they, share the ball. They move it
Speaker 10: uh it doesn't matter who. Gets The credit but haliburton
Speaker 10: is the, key for them and he's got that kind
Speaker 10: of A Personality like gilgess alexander does OR for For
Speaker 10: Okc and jalen brunson Does with the knicks where, they're
Speaker 10: the catalyst. But they don't they they all have that
Speaker 10: mindset that they don't care who else does it as
Speaker 10: long as. It gets Done and the pacers are on
Speaker 10: that kind. Of a role and winning that First game
Speaker 10: in cleveland where they came back and they were doubt they,
Speaker 10: should have lost and, they they again the ball bounced
Speaker 10: their way a couple Of times and mitchell got the
Speaker 10: offensive foul call, that was Questionable and then haliburton misses,
Speaker 10: a free throw but he ends up with the ball back,
Speaker 10: as a rebound which should never HAPPEN, in the nba
Speaker 10: and is able to stick that three. At the, buzzer
Speaker 10: you know those are the things that have to take
Speaker 10: place along the way if you're gonna have some kind
Speaker 10: of an. Extended playoff run so none of these things.
Speaker 10: Are a surprise it's just when you're the team that.
Speaker 10: It's happening too in. A positive way you want to
Speaker 10: keep those things going and you want to make sure
Speaker 10: that your mindset doesn't trick you into thinking that you're better.
Speaker 9: Than you are. That, you understand okay we got. To,
Speaker 9: break there okay the other game the guy fell down and,
Speaker 9: lost the, ball you know.
Speaker 10: Whatever it is and so but we have to stick
Speaker 10: to what we believe we can do to the best
Speaker 10: of our ability to give us a chance.
Speaker 9: To BE successful and i think they're gonna be, TWO
Speaker 9: terrific series. I really do i think it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Fun to watch before we, CATCH a break i have A,
Speaker 2: question about donovan and IN the question i will insert
Speaker 2: an OPINION and then i want.
Speaker 1: You to go and you might get mad at.
Speaker 9: Me for this I'm.
Speaker 1: Already, mad spence okay well that's.
Speaker 2: THAT'S the smittymo i can always angry because, Here's, the,
Speaker 2: thing like ultimately if you just look at the numbers
Speaker 2: and you look at some of the playoff, explosions he
Speaker 2: has he's in the most, rarefied Of, air Including, mike
Speaker 2: Including Iverson including kobe like, Individual playoff scoring donovan is
Speaker 2: on a short list of somebody who's been able to
Speaker 2: do what he's done throughout the first seven eight years.
Speaker 2: Of his career never been out of, the second Round
Speaker 2: and certainly i'm not putting a team sport. On ONE
Speaker 2: player but i noticed at times here and maybe he
Speaker 2: was out of necessity and At, times in cleveland like
Speaker 2: when he just goes all in on doing. His own
Speaker 2: thing it's really fun to watch at times because he's
Speaker 2: that talented and he's that good and he can Get
Speaker 2: his own but at times it feels like his teammates
Speaker 2: stand around and watch him and suddenly, they're not cutting or,
Speaker 2: they're not guarding or they're, not boxing out and you've
Speaker 2: got a bunch of guys standing watching one dude, do
Speaker 2: his thing and at times maybe at the expense, of
Speaker 2: the team and then at times he runs. Out of gas,
Speaker 2: we saw, It and look cleveland has to rely on
Speaker 2: him in a very heavy way offensively because he, is
Speaker 2: that good and you guys did the same thing because he.
Speaker 2: Is that dynamic but at times does it feel like
Speaker 2: he puts blinders on to the point where maybe it's
Speaker 2: not conducive. To team winning is that fair or what
Speaker 2: are your?
Speaker 1: Thoughts?
Speaker 10: ON it yeah i would push back on that somewhat spence,
Speaker 10: he you know he does those things because he knows
Speaker 10: that he. Can do them he knows that his team is,
Speaker 10: relying on him that the heavy load. Is on him
Speaker 10: but that stuff, you're talking about that's on. The, other
Speaker 10: guys sure, the other guys, that's their problem their fault
Speaker 10: if they're standing around watching him instead of instead, of
Speaker 10: cutting baseline instead of spacing, out weak side instead of
Speaker 10: going and getting a screen on somebody or rolling to
Speaker 10: the front of the rim or, whatever it is that's
Speaker 10: on the other guys to not, be ball watchers on
Speaker 10: the other guys to understand this is. What's going on
Speaker 10: my guy is about to spin dribble to his left
Speaker 10: and get in the lane and try and do a
Speaker 10: double pump or something at. The DOTTED line so i
Speaker 10: got to get in a position for, a POTENTIAL rebound
Speaker 10: or i got at least get in front of my
Speaker 10: guy and try and box him out so maybe we
Speaker 10: can get offensive tip or Something in those, In, THOSE
Speaker 10: circumstances donovan i can tell you he's all about. Trying
Speaker 10: to win he's all about trying to do what he
Speaker 10: can to affect winning, for his group and those things
Speaker 10: that when they've, come up short it hasn't been. Because
Speaker 10: of him he gives the maximum effort as, you alluded,
Speaker 10: to you know big scoring numbers. And all that that's
Speaker 10: what he's there to do, in those instances and it's
Speaker 10: on his teammates to fill in the cracks and do,
Speaker 10: the other, things you know to get you.
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Speaker 1: Nba playoff.
Speaker 2: Basketball Returns tonight the conference Finals in the West Is
Speaker 2: first oklahoma City, taken on minnesota and, then tomorrow night
Speaker 2: it Will be the Knicks and the celtics Live, from
Speaker 2: the mecca the world's, Most Famous Arena. Madison square garden
Speaker 2: let's get, His Mic. ON richard smith.
Speaker 9: I Always. LOVE that spence i always loved the world's.
Speaker 9: Most famous arena it's such.
Speaker 1: An AUDACIOUS player AND i.
Speaker 9: Always i always quickly say, myself self proclaimed.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's.
Speaker 2: It's very audacious it's one of the things you just say,
Speaker 2: it out loud, and you know people just tend to. Latch,
Speaker 2: ONTO it, YEAH i, KNOW i. Know i know, but
Speaker 2: we uh we did a Lot On the knicks. Pacers
Speaker 2: last series talked To, a little donovan Talked. A little
Speaker 2: calves let's move over and Now, to the west and
Speaker 2: we'll end with some jazz, For, The segment smitty Let's,
Speaker 2: start in minnesota where Your old Friend rudy, go beart
Speaker 2: resides Your Old friend, Mike Conley, Resides, Joey Ingles. Nikkeil
Speaker 2: alexander walker kind of The Jazz, Version midwest jazz midwest
Speaker 2: team that actually is still playing and. Actually is good.
Speaker 2: Unlike the jazz we'll get to that. In the, moment
Speaker 2: you know we talked about This with. The TATUM stuff
Speaker 2: and i Don't Know if golden state Beats Them. WITH
Speaker 2: steph curry i know it looks a, Lot different certainly
Speaker 2: but what do You MAKE of and i, read THIS
Speaker 2: earlier and i was unaware the top two records in
Speaker 2: Pro basketball, Since March first Oklahoma city won minnesota two
Speaker 2: didn't start. Out that well they were trying to Figure out,
Speaker 2: the randall, stuff You Know and julius randall is a
Speaker 2: very talented. Individual offensive, SCORER at times I think the
Speaker 2: knicks asked a little too, much of him and He
Speaker 2: Was an all star once, upon a time obviously a.
Speaker 2: Very capable player he seems to have settled in. Quite
Speaker 2: a bit what do you Make Of how chris finch's
Speaker 2: coaches Team Of The. Western, CONFERENCE finals yeah.
Speaker 9: I think that it's taken a little. While to adjust,
Speaker 9: BUT you Know i think randall is in a good
Speaker 9: spot because he doesn't have to. Be the guy he
Speaker 9: doesn't have to be doing all.
Speaker 10: The heavy lift and Obviously With with anthony edwards there
Speaker 10: and so he takes a lot of the Spotlight off
Speaker 10: H but but randall, is a, good good player uh in,
Speaker 10: the mid post and he's also a better passer than,
Speaker 10: most people think and, a WILLING passer and i think
Speaker 10: he fits in well, with that, group you know on
Speaker 10: the Other side, from jade McDaniels who's who's really a,
Speaker 10: good wing defender has become a serviceable, three point shooter
Speaker 10: and they've gotten a. Nice Rhythm going and rudy has
Speaker 10: always been the. Ultimate team guy he, just you know
Speaker 10: tries to fill in the cracks where he can and
Speaker 10: make himself available on the offensive end and does what.
Speaker 10: He does, defensively, and so uh they're on, a nice.
Speaker 10: Role YOU know and i think it's gonna be a.
Speaker 10: REALLY competitive series, i, really think uh the home teams
Speaker 10: are going to gonna prevail during. THIS this round i
Speaker 10: just think, that those guys they seem to, both play
Speaker 10: better a little bit more energized with, their home crowds
Speaker 10: which are both really, terrific you know, During the PLAYOFFS
Speaker 10: and so i think it's gonna be, fun to watch
Speaker 10: and it's gonna be interesting to see how they come
Speaker 10: Out the Old, rust versus, rest you know a debate
Speaker 10: will Happen, tonight between okay see just coming off a
Speaker 10: tough seven game series and finishing up forty eight hours
Speaker 10: Ago basically and minnesota having almost, a week off and
Speaker 10: and so it's it's gonna be interesting to see how
Speaker 10: the two.
Speaker 2: Teams come, out Oddly enough ok se six and two
Speaker 2: with one day of rest during The playoffs and minnesota
Speaker 2: two and four with more than three, days of rest
Speaker 2: and they have five days, Of, rest, obviously okay see
Speaker 2: a bunch of bunch of young players probably don't need
Speaker 2: as much rest as some of the teams that are a.
Speaker 2: Little bit older let me let me Ask you about rudy,
Speaker 2: THOUGH you know i was watching it Was Game, six
Speaker 2: nick celtics and there was One Possession where mitchell robinson.
Speaker 1: WAS was guarding i Think It.
Speaker 2: WAS luke cornette a pass went out, To the wing
Speaker 2: robinson goes out, and closes out, comes Back. Down checks
Speaker 2: cornette then the ball goes to The Corner to Jalen
Speaker 2: Brown and mitchell robinson goes out and closes out guarded like.
Speaker 2: Three different positions the way that the game, is played
Speaker 2: now it asks a lot from a big to guard,
Speaker 2: on the perimeter to get out and close out to,
Speaker 2: guard Multiple players and rudy does it as, well as
Speaker 2: anybody but for some reason does not. Get the credit
Speaker 2: do you why do you. Think that is it feels
Speaker 2: like there's just people that have dug their heels in
Speaker 2: and they're just gonna hate everything he does.
Speaker 10: No, Matter WHAT yeah and i THINK that that's i
Speaker 10: think you just said, A. LOT there spence i think
Speaker 10: some people get on a certain narrative and then they
Speaker 10: just won't let it go.
Speaker 9: For whatever reason, it's you.
Speaker 10: Know it's, unfortunate you know you have to really watch
Speaker 10: the games and pay attention to, what's going on and
Speaker 10: you realize all of the we we had a in
Speaker 10: house metric system that was a proprietary thing that We
Speaker 10: that the JAZZ developed when i was there to gauge
Speaker 10: our our defensive analytics and stuff and to go off
Speaker 10: off the page of of what what the numbers SHOWED
Speaker 10: you And uh, and rudy, constantly you know graded so
Speaker 10: so far above everybody else in the league in terms
Speaker 10: of what he meant on the defensive END to teams.
Speaker 9: Uh in games and he continues.
Speaker 8: To do, that.
Speaker 10: You know he's gotten to the point in his career
Speaker 10: where he knows that he doesn't have to do all of,
Speaker 10: these you know a bunch of things. In the basket
Speaker 10: he just has to do. Some of them and and
Speaker 10: do them very well and and let the other people
Speaker 10: do what they're supposed to be doing in order to
Speaker 10: have have some. Level of success and he's he's learned
Speaker 10: how to do that, and and uh he's smart about
Speaker 10: it and uh and and he's a guy that's gonna
Speaker 10: be a very valuable Key uh from minnesota in this
Speaker 10: series if they're gonna.
Speaker 2: Have any success it's funny YOU reference and i don't
Speaker 2: pretend to know the ins and outs of your in
Speaker 2: house metric system as it pertains To the way, Rudy
Speaker 2: impacted winning but it reminds me OF an interview I
Speaker 2: did when i was doing The show at gordon And we.
Speaker 2: Had dennis On we had, dennis lindsay on and he
Speaker 2: hit us with like ten straight Stats.
Speaker 1: About everything rudy does you know.
Speaker 2: Offensive, field goal, percentage rebound, percentage black percentage the opponent's
Speaker 2: field Goal percentage against rudy? AT the RIM i mean
Speaker 2: i lost track. After a while he just, boom boom boom.
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom did you guys ever feel like you
Speaker 2: had to stand? Up for him did you ever feel
Speaker 2: like the heat he was getting with so unfair that
Speaker 2: as an organization you had to get out in front
Speaker 2: of it. A, LITTLE bit yeah i.
Speaker 10: Mean there was some of that because, it's you know
Speaker 10: a lot of the, noise you, hear you know is
Speaker 10: around it from people, who are lazy who, just you
Speaker 10: know take, some you know the cream off the top
Speaker 10: and leave the rest of the dessert there and don't
Speaker 10: don't bother digging in to see what else is going
Speaker 10: on and and uh and it always felt bad for
Speaker 10: him because Not only was rudy an integral part of
Speaker 10: what those jazz teams did as his as, his career
Speaker 10: progressed but he also, we also, knew you know, behind
Speaker 10: Closed doors that rudy was one of our guys who
Speaker 10: was really about, helping the team uh to whatever extent
Speaker 10: he could. To be successful it wasn't about, His own
Speaker 10: honors it wasn't, about you know getting. Attention to himself
Speaker 10: he really cared about how the. Team was doing and
Speaker 10: and and sometimes when, he got attacked and, in that
Speaker 10: regard you felt bad for him because you knew that
Speaker 10: he was trying to do the things that the coaches
Speaker 10: were asking, him to, do you know.
Speaker 9: Within his ability and, his skill level uh to be able.
Speaker 10: To execute that and when it, didn't go well, or
Speaker 10: you know you, missed an assignment or you miss, something
Speaker 10: that happened and and and people were. Pointing to, you
Speaker 10: you know you just felt that it was unfair because
Speaker 10: you knew he was one of your guys who was
Speaker 10: trying to do, the right thing even.
Speaker 9: If.
Speaker 2: He failed sometimes do you think that it affected him on,
Speaker 2: a personal level like? Behind closed, doors you Know because
Speaker 2: the draymond stuff it, got so old but It. WASN'T just,
Speaker 2: draymond i mean it felt like and it still Feels,
Speaker 2: LIKE quite frankly I was watching i was watching. Something
Speaker 2: earlier Today IT. Was gilbert a renus who just Decided.
Speaker 2: To attack rudy, he was like he's the Liability on.
Speaker 2: This minnesota TEAM and, like i said it feels like
Speaker 2: there's a faction of people in the league that HAVE
Speaker 2: just decided i. Don't like him do you think behind
Speaker 2: closed doors it? Really hurt him do you think it?
Speaker 1: Got?
Speaker 10: To, Him, SURE yeah NO i think i think he's he's,
Speaker 10: human like anybody, and you know he would like to
Speaker 10: be recognized for his efforts and for the work. He
Speaker 10: puts in, AND you know i, tell you what nobody
Speaker 10: worked harder on his and and on his, ability to,
Speaker 10: move you know from. Side to side and and you
Speaker 10: know with his hips and and being. Able, to recover uh.
Speaker 10: Then he did and, he always, uh you know he
Speaker 10: always put. The work in he always put. The time
Speaker 10: in look he's, He's seven too he's got some limited.
Speaker 9: True.
Speaker 10: Athletic ability uh and then the rest of the stuff
Speaker 10: he has to you know make, up with, uh you
Speaker 10: know whether it's with his length or with his smarts
Speaker 10: or with his instincts or. What have you and and
Speaker 10: he was always someone who. Would do that and and
Speaker 10: and it's it's easy, that you know the a lot of,
Speaker 10: the national guys it's just a lazy narrative because they
Speaker 10: don't want to do the work and they don't really.
Speaker 10: Look at it they just kind of jump. On a bandwagon,
Speaker 10: and you know, as you know, spencing this business it's all,
Speaker 10: about you know clicks, and you know sound, bites and whatever,
Speaker 10: and you know whatever is easy and and and, so that's.
Speaker 10: Unfortunate you know, and you Know But but rudy is has,
Speaker 10: never backed, down you know from his teammates, and his
Speaker 10: coaches and has always been there to to uh to
Speaker 10: give a maximum effort from what. He can, do and
Speaker 10: yeah he'd like to be one of the boys, in
Speaker 10: the room, and you know have all, the other, guys
Speaker 10: you know dap them up and all that, kind of stuff,
Speaker 10: and you know accept him, into the club. So to
Speaker 10: speak and there are some guys who are jealous that
Speaker 10: he's been recognized as A Four Time nba defensive Player.
Speaker 10: Of the year and you, know, it's interesting, uh, you
Speaker 10: know similar, not the same but maybe in, the same
Speaker 10: uh in the same. Boat as Uh now now i'm
Speaker 10: blanking out. On his name the center Who Won the
Speaker 10: defensive Player of the year Awards For the detroit pistons
Speaker 10: in the in, the two thousands who was Also A.
Speaker 10: Non Ben wallace ben wallace a non a, non offensive. Guy,
Speaker 10: you Know Uh, but ben, Wallace you know. Rudy was longer,
Speaker 10: rudy's you. Know MORE effective maybe, I Don't know ben wallace,
Speaker 10: presents you know maybe a little tougher persona OR personality maybe.
Speaker 10: I don't know but you never heard any of those
Speaker 10: criticisms Of Anybody, about ben, wallace you know or you
Speaker 10: know that he was short, on offensive production or couldn't
Speaker 10: do this or. That or whatever and, For whatever reason
Speaker 10: rudy HAS gotten that i don't know. What that is,
Speaker 10: YOU know again i think somebody way, down the, road
Speaker 10: you know started that narrative and then, just kind, of
Speaker 10: you know jumped down the bandwagon and decided to ride,
Speaker 10: with it man you.
Speaker 1: Know well and with.
Speaker 2: Little jazz stuff but before, WE get there i. Know
Speaker 2: your reference you like both teams that have. Home court
Speaker 2: advantage my Only Hesitancy, WITH oklahoma city i guess Is
Speaker 2: the way. I'LL put, this, i mean look they have everything.
Speaker 2: That you want, they have depth they, have star power they,
Speaker 2: have great, coaching they guard they can score in a myriad.
Speaker 2: OF different ways i always hesitate to anoint A team
Speaker 2: if i haven't seen them. Do it before minnesota Was
Speaker 2: In The western conference finals. A Year ago Oklahoma, city
Speaker 2: beat telicans then got Smoked. By the MAVs do you
Speaker 2: feel Like this is okayse's time or which way you
Speaker 2: lean it?
Speaker 1: On, BOTH sides NO i just i think it's, going to,
Speaker 1: be you know, come down, to you know beating a dead.
Speaker 10: Horse or spence but the team that can avoid injury,
Speaker 10: can avoid, somebody you.
Speaker 9: Know not playing.
Speaker 10: In, a game, say for example somebody picks up three
Speaker 10: quick files and is out extended time and the other
Speaker 10: team is able to take. Advantage of that hopefully we
Speaker 10: Don't Get another Steph Curry or, jason tatum thing and
Speaker 10: everybody can play at full strength and you, can just,
Speaker 10: see you know. WHAT'S going on i think if all
Speaker 10: the guys are, on the floor and all the guys
Speaker 10: are available and playing the way, that they're capable That's
Speaker 10: that's why i'm excited, for BOTH series because i think
Speaker 10: they're both going to. BE very competitive i think the
Speaker 10: team that keeps its head within its self doesn't get
Speaker 10: caught up in all, the you know the historyonics they
Speaker 10: can happen at this point in the playoffs and people
Speaker 10: yelling at the referees every other whistle and getting. Upset
Speaker 10: about things if you can keep your calm and just
Speaker 10: stay in your moment and try and concentrate on what
Speaker 10: you need, TO do next i think that that's those
Speaker 10: are the teams that are gonna have a head up
Speaker 10: and have a better chance of succeed succeeding in getting.
Speaker 2: To the, finals all right before we let you, go
Speaker 2: for today let's Do a. Little jazz basketball so the
Speaker 2: draft is Coming up on june. The Twenty fifth the jazz.
Speaker 2: Have number five they have, number twenty one they have
Speaker 2: forty three. And fifty three so to. First two, Seconds
Speaker 2: You know bobby mars joined us yesterday and did a
Speaker 2: really really good job of, outlining you know my question.
Speaker 2: Him was okay so the NARRATIVE is the nba is now,
Speaker 2: built for PARODY and the nba is now built by
Speaker 2: design for every team in every city to. Have a
Speaker 2: shot so over the, past seven Years we've seen denver,
Speaker 2: In a Championship we've seen milwaukee. Win a championship this Year,
Speaker 2: we have Indianapolis, We Have, minnesota oklahoma city three of the.
Speaker 2: Final four teams it is a perfect time for a
Speaker 2: team that plays Their Basketball In salt lake city to
Speaker 2: be able to capitalize on the LANDSCAPE. Of, the Nba
Speaker 2: unfortunately the, jazz aren't ready and there's five years LEFT.
Speaker 2: In the cba it expires. IN twenty thirty i don't
Speaker 2: know what's. GOING to happen i know there's a lot
Speaker 2: of pushback from people that don't like the way this thing.
Speaker 2: Has played out there, ARE several reports i don't know
Speaker 2: how much of. THIS is real i don't know how
Speaker 2: much of this is True that the jazz are going,
Speaker 2: To be bold they're going to be. Bold this offseason they,
Speaker 2: have the assets they, have the picks they, have the
Speaker 2: space they have. The young players what does a successful
Speaker 2: offseason look Like For the, Utah, JAZZ maidy well.
Speaker 10: I think they have to be bold because they have
Speaker 10: nowhere to go. But up there they not only had
Speaker 10: the worst record in the league, this past season but
Speaker 10: they by a lot, of defensive metrics they, were one
Speaker 10: of if not the, worst defensive team.
Speaker 1: Uh in a lot.
Speaker 10: Of years, HISTORICAL but yeah i mean they, just you
Speaker 10: know they're just not very good. At the moment so
Speaker 10: there's nobody that's on the on the. Team that's untouchable,
Speaker 10: IN my opinion i, think you know when you're when
Speaker 10: you have the worst record and and you're not showing
Speaker 10: that you're making any progress because this, this defensive malaise,
Speaker 10: if you will has been the mantra the last, couple of,
Speaker 10: years you know, then then uh you you have. To
Speaker 10: make changes so it wouldn't surprise me that they try
Speaker 10: and make a. Lot, of moves uh make a. Lot
Speaker 10: of changes what? Does that yield what does? It look
Speaker 10: like all those things you know are. UP for grabs
Speaker 10: i think they're going to be doing a lot, Of,
Speaker 10: soul searching uh in terms of what is the next
Speaker 10: step that we're going to have to make to be
Speaker 10: able to start seeing some kind of a relevant and
Speaker 10: uh improvement in what we're. Trying, to do again, People
Speaker 10: get frustrated people get upset about what's what's taking place. At,
Speaker 10: the moment obviously you you go from hoping you get
Speaker 10: the first pick to the fifth pick, doesn't work out
Speaker 10: and so now you're. Even More, frustrated but spence they've
Speaker 10: only been doing this, for three years, and you know
Speaker 10: sometimes these, things, take five, six seven years and and.
Speaker 10: And sometimes, longer you know you don't have control over some,
Speaker 10: of the things, like the draft like the draft. Lottery
Speaker 10: last week so, to your point a lot of things
Speaker 10: are gonna be, on the table a lot of things
Speaker 10: are gonna they're gonna be. Trying to do how much,
Speaker 10: do they, do you know to to to The to
Speaker 10: The danny angel a mantra of. Big game hunting they're
Speaker 10: gonna be trying to do a lot of that. In,
Speaker 10: Different ways uh do they come, Back with anything do
Speaker 10: they have a whole different scheme in terms of their
Speaker 10: team and and what their personnel looks, like In uh
Speaker 10: next october remains. To be SEEN but but i think
Speaker 10: everything's on the table for them because they've gotta they've
Speaker 10: got to show THAT they're which i know they're, willing
Speaker 10: To do Because danny angels willing has shown in the
Speaker 10: past he's willing.
Speaker 6: To.
Speaker 10: Do anything uh but they have to show that they
Speaker 10: can start making moves that that look like they're making
Speaker 10: improvement and look like that they're they're moving in. The,
Speaker 10: right direction, uh you know, for the uh for the
Speaker 10: benefit of their of their, season ticket, holders their fans
Speaker 10: everybody who who are.
Speaker 2: Diehard jazz fans do you think they approach next year
Speaker 2: with best foot forward instead of inventing Injuries And having
Speaker 2: walker castler shoot seven.
Speaker 1: Threes, A night well.
Speaker 10: I think they i think they have to get they
Speaker 10: have to make some kind of a show that looks
Speaker 10: like they, are getting better.
Speaker 9: They are.
Speaker 10: Improving you know to do another year of this thing
Speaker 10: that they just did is going, to be difficult only
Speaker 10: from the standpoint that they're gonna be having people breathing
Speaker 10: down their, necks, to say hey you just did that
Speaker 10: and it didn't it, didn't work out so you're gonna,
Speaker 10: do it, Again you know and so that's that's gonna
Speaker 10: that would be, a hard, sell you know to. Their
Speaker 10: fan base and, uh and look nobody, wants to lose
Speaker 10: and nobody wants to do. It on purpose everybody wants
Speaker 10: to try and be a better. Version Of themselves and
Speaker 10: i'm sure they're gonna kick the tires on a lot
Speaker 10: of different things in the next several, months to, see
Speaker 10: you know how they can get that going in.
Speaker 2: The right direction great, to see. You my friend we'll
Speaker 2: let you. Get some rest thanks, for the Time Okay.
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Speaker 2: Pablo Master, eddie, happy tuesday sir how are We?
Speaker 11: Doing having tuesday? Doing well, Yourself i'm.
Speaker 2: WELL i'm well i hate to start with a, low
Speaker 2: hanging fruit but it's, been a, minute my guy it's
Speaker 2: been a minute since we've. SEEN a goal i believe
Speaker 2: the official tally is two hundred and. FORTY six, minutes
Speaker 2: i know we keep revisiting this and every week it
Speaker 2: feels like you are liking what you're seeing as far
Speaker 2: as the chances that, have been created it's the finishing that.
Speaker 1: Is left wanting are you still? In, that space, YEAH
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 11: I think, so you know it's it's it's been tough
Speaker 11: to see like the. Amount, OF times again i think
Speaker 11: one of the things that we've really worked on since
Speaker 11: last year has been progressing the ball from our goal to.
Speaker 11: Their opponents goal and and, to be fair it's. Not
Speaker 11: real sexy it gives us a lot of control, of
Speaker 11: the game but we're really really. Proficient at that and,
Speaker 11: then you know even this morning just broke down all
Speaker 11: the different chances that some of them were not even,
Speaker 11: getting shots on and they just come down to. Decision
Speaker 11: making patience some we have, to go faster some we have,
Speaker 11: to go slower and so just kind of breaking the
Speaker 11: different scenarios down for the guys so that they, can you.
Speaker 11: Know digest it we. Can train it, we, train it
Speaker 11: say we'll train it the rest of this, week and,
Speaker 11: hopefully you know because if we don't have that one
Speaker 11: guy that's, gonna you know and dig a little has
Speaker 11: been that guy and it's obviously a big burden to
Speaker 11: carry and it's not going to, Happen every game so
Speaker 11: how can we now figure out different solutions more as
Speaker 11: a front five as opposed to just relying on one.
Speaker 11: Or two guys and so that's that's really the methodology
Speaker 11: that we're going to take as to how we're going
Speaker 11: to flip this around and find more ways to goals
Speaker 11: and then hopefully if for those five front five are,
Speaker 11: operating in unison then we can release a pivot a
Speaker 11: little bit higher that'll give us. A six attacker, so
Speaker 11: that hopefully again doing, it by numbers doing, it by
Speaker 11: committee and doing it more, as a collective and so that's,
Speaker 11: it's been, frustrating but, again you, know you know we
Speaker 11: have all the pieces that we're going to have for for,
Speaker 11: the time being and the onnesses on myself to and
Speaker 11: the coaches to find solutions to get these guys hitting
Speaker 11: balls in the back.
Speaker 2: Of, the, NED look man i know you're an extremely
Speaker 2: POSITIVE person and i appreciate. That ABOUT you but i
Speaker 2: also watch you play for a, lot OF years and
Speaker 2: I feel like i know you, a LITTLE bit and
Speaker 2: i know that there's a stone cold killer and a competitor.
Speaker 2: In there somewhere at what point does it does? It
Speaker 2: become frustrating at what point does it become like WHAT
Speaker 2: else can i do to get this thing going in?
Speaker 4: The?
Speaker 1: Right direction yeah, YOU.
Speaker 11: Know AGAIN i think i, think we, are you know
Speaker 11: proud To say that i've evolved a little. Bit from,
Speaker 11: THAT from, THAT i mean i still have that, deep
Speaker 11: deep INSIDE or else i wouldn't be in this in
Speaker 11: this profession because it is. All about winning, but, there's
Speaker 11: also like, YOU know what i have to be the
Speaker 11: example for the rest, of, The GUYS right like i
Speaker 11: can sit here and be frustrated until my hands in
Speaker 11: the air. And place blame but at the end, of the,
Speaker 11: DAY you know i have to have. A cool head
Speaker 11: i have. TO find solutions i have to relay and
Speaker 11: sell that solution. To the players and and that's the
Speaker 11: that's the that's the beauty, of the, scraft you know
Speaker 11: because it's it's really, easy, to, say hey listen we
Speaker 11: lost forty something goals. From last year we're not going
Speaker 11: to be able. To score goals but the beauty of
Speaker 11: coaching is finding different solutions. To new problems and and,
Speaker 11: so for, me you know the one thing identified identify
Speaker 11: three different things in the attack that we the ways we.
Speaker 11: Can score goals one is, offensive, set pieces right and
Speaker 11: that's nothing to do with. Anyone in particular that's good
Speaker 11: delivery and bravery and getting.
Speaker 6: In.
Speaker 11: The box uh the other part is decisions and execution in.
Speaker 11: The final third and those are the things that we're
Speaker 11: going to continue. To work on that we worked on
Speaker 11: today and we work on the rest. Of the week
Speaker 11: and and the third thing is is making sure our
Speaker 11: shape behind the ball is such that we can create
Speaker 11: repetitive attacks and releasing a pivot and and so that
Speaker 11: we can from one attack we can get three. Or
Speaker 11: four opportunities so like that is that that's our action plan.
Speaker 11: For the week that's that's those are the areas that
Speaker 11: we've identified we. Can MAKE games and i think that's
Speaker 11: what the that's where. My focus lies so when you,
Speaker 11: talk about frustration it's when you stop coming up with
Speaker 11: different pathways to. ACHIEVE a goal i think is when.
Speaker 11: You GET frustrated and i think from a coaching perspective
Speaker 11: that frustration. Is about yourself and so that's WHERE that's
Speaker 11: where i stay positive because there's. Always a solution you
Speaker 11: just have to ask the right questions to get to
Speaker 11: the right to the right solutions and and and put
Speaker 11: a game plan in place. To achieve those and so that's,
Speaker 11: the plan, obviously you know, LIKE you said i think
Speaker 11: winning is the thing that drives to all, of us
Speaker 11: athletes is it is. The holy grail and when you're,
Speaker 11: not doing that and it's really easy to get, down
Speaker 11: on yourself down on, down on everyone. Down on life
Speaker 11: but but it's really about being resilient and for, me
Speaker 11: more importantly being the type of me behaving like the
Speaker 11: TYPE of player i want to see out. In the
Speaker 11: field and that's even though it's it's it's, not going well,
Speaker 11: you still, believe you're positive, you're finding solutions and you're
Speaker 11: proaching every day like it's a great opportunity, to get
Speaker 11: better fair.
Speaker 2: ENOUGH impressive growth i was going to make a joke
Speaker 2: about sending my father to fight you in.
Speaker 1: The locker room but we don't have to, Do, that
Speaker 1: today pablo we. Can leave.
Speaker 9: That i'm.
Speaker 2: Impressed i'm impressed you're a great example to somebody like
Speaker 2: me who has a little FIRE that you i don't
Speaker 2: need to throw them Monopoly board If i'm playing monopoly
Speaker 2: with my eight. Year, Old, nephew, Okay like yeah. I'M
Speaker 2: with YOU i just i hate to, keep, DIGGING here
Speaker 2: MAN i just. I DON'T know like i watch your,
Speaker 2: post game presser and there was a little something There
Speaker 2: after the COLORADO l and i see on, THE sideline
Speaker 2: like i just have To imagine if I'm as if
Speaker 2: i'm AS frustrated as i am watching your club and,
Speaker 2: ATTACK right now i just have to imagine at times
Speaker 2: you're looking around at teams that have payrolls ten times,
Speaker 2: more than yours and we were all expecting something more
Speaker 2: during the, primary transfer whinno and, It didn't come like?
Speaker 2: HOW are you I guess what, i'll ask is how
Speaker 2: are you digesting all this stuff when it does feel
Speaker 2: like you're entering a lot of matches up against it
Speaker 2: based off the players you have.
Speaker 11: At. Your, disposal yeah again you, know IT'S crazy and
Speaker 11: I guess maybe i'm, an eternal optimist but like it's so,
Speaker 11: hard to build like to build teams that are perennial
Speaker 11: playoff contenders and championship like, it takes time AND that's
Speaker 11: why I want to i'll go BACK to what i said,
Speaker 11: at the beginning is we started this project last year
Speaker 11: as far as changing our shape and really being ball
Speaker 11: secure and ball dominant in the way we built. From
Speaker 11: the back, and you know there's a bunch of crazy.
Speaker 11: Stats there is we're one of the top teams in
Speaker 11: the he is going from our goal to our, opponent's,
Speaker 11: Final third right so that's a stat and no one
Speaker 11: cares about that's that's useless information as far as you
Speaker 11: know results go. Game to game the hardest thing to
Speaker 11: do in soccer is really. That FINAL third and i
Speaker 11: just feel that we are so close to hit in
Speaker 11: the back. Of the net and there's all. IN every
Speaker 11: game i can show you six or seven different if
Speaker 11: there was one, decision made differently it would have hit
Speaker 11: the back. Of the net and you obviously can't, joystick
Speaker 11: the guys so you're giving them information and they're learning
Speaker 11: on the fly and so they're trying to digest this
Speaker 11: information and delivered. In real time, AND so like i
Speaker 11: feel really good about our offense until we get to,
Speaker 11: the final third and that's really. Where you know and
Speaker 11: you saw it last year With guys like gomez and guys, Like.
Speaker 11: You know chicho they were scoring goals with VERY little
Speaker 11: x g and it made the coaching seem like we
Speaker 11: were geniuses, at, The time right and it was really.
Speaker 11: Them making plays AND that's what i was alluding to,
Speaker 11: after the game is like just somebody smash the ball
Speaker 11: on top bind from, twenty yards, out you know somebody
Speaker 11: to get across the front of the defender and flick
Speaker 11: one in, the back. Post you know and it's just.
Speaker 11: About making, plays but oftentimes when you're not scoring a, Lot,
Speaker 11: of goals spence what ends up happening is that run
Speaker 11: is a, little bit late that passes a little bit
Speaker 11: late because you, start overthinking, it you know and. It
Speaker 11: doesn't come it's not, natural, To you right we're not
Speaker 11: operating in, the flow state and so it is it's
Speaker 11: tough and AGAIN and and i actually feel for the,
Speaker 11: it's MY frustration but i feel for the guys because
Speaker 11: it's very difficult to come in after damn. The same
Speaker 11: guys but ninety percent, of the game you guys on
Speaker 11: both sides of the ball are doing. A great JOB
Speaker 11: and and i can't give them the, the you know
Speaker 11: the the know how in real time where seconds and
Speaker 11: inches are the difference between scoring. And not scoring that
Speaker 11: type of EXPERIENCE one because i was in a, goal
Speaker 11: scorer myself, but they, just you know they're just lacking
Speaker 11: in that little bit of, that that polish that, that that.
Speaker 11: Nouse you know and AND and like, I Said earlier
Speaker 11: jego lun has been the guy that's been doing, that
Speaker 11: for us and it's impossible to expect a guy that
Speaker 11: hasn't typically, scored you know ten fifteen twenty goals a
Speaker 11: season to be that guy. Every single GAME and so
Speaker 11: i feel for him as well because he's doing a
Speaker 11: ton of. Work for us and at the end, of
Speaker 11: the day we all as a team come into that,
Speaker 11: locker room frustrated and it's really about one phase of
Speaker 11: the game that can really turn this thing, on the
Speaker 11: screws and, so it's, it's you know, if nothing else
Speaker 11: it's gonna it's going to bring, our you KNOW the
Speaker 11: way i feel about the way. We train today it's
Speaker 11: again two days for me are are the day because after,
Speaker 11: a tough result you can you, can drop tools. You
Speaker 11: cannot believe but these guys got after today and they're
Speaker 11: full of belief and commitment and the energy was. Just
Speaker 11: spot on and, so you know as long as, we
Speaker 11: have that we have we we we do. Have a
Speaker 11: chance and so now it's just about as a collective,
Speaker 11: working extremely hard believing harder than anyone doows because once
Speaker 11: you get, the first goal, the second goal then they
Speaker 11: start coming in droves and who knows It might be
Speaker 11: gozo that's going to be a ten goal. Score this year.
Speaker 2: At the risk of, LABORING the point i HAVE one
Speaker 2: more i guess not to be redundant point. To make
Speaker 2: here and once upon A time in mls it was
Speaker 2: a little bit different than. It is now like the
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine team we had here that won
Speaker 2: the cup was not near the highest BAID. Roster in
Speaker 2: mls they beat the team that was the highest BAIDE
Speaker 2: roster in mls that had A Guy named david beckham
Speaker 2: on it had A Guy named landon. Donovan on it
Speaker 2: the league has, changed sixteen years fifteen, sixteen years later.
Speaker 1: So now we can talk about it as more of,
Speaker 1: a grown up.
Speaker 2: Big BOY league although i do think there are several
Speaker 2: things about the infrastructure league that need to.
Speaker 1: Be looked at that's, just me personally AND, WHETHER, IT'S.
Speaker 2: Nfl nba nhl there, Is, one thing pablo and it's
Speaker 2: NOW prevalent in mls they can even, the playing field
Speaker 2: and that is economic investment meant in, talent period. Period,
Speaker 2: period period okay it didn't used to, be that way
Speaker 2: but it. Is that way and you have not received
Speaker 2: that from the front office. Or the ownership, you, Just
Speaker 2: HAVEN'T okay so i just need to know how that lands, With, YOU.
Speaker 11: AGAIN SPENCE i i i mean There's times where i'm
Speaker 11: watching other teams and the way they, go about It and,
Speaker 11: and i'm saying if we, just had that just, that one,
Speaker 11: GUY because again, i YOU know we're i, think we're
Speaker 11: two two attacking players away from being a top team
Speaker 11: in this in this conference and. In this league two
Speaker 11: top and, Again, why too well one because they'll help,
Speaker 11: with the goals but two it Will also activate luna in.
Speaker 11: A different, Way right now luna is the guy that's,
Speaker 11: been double, team triple teams and it just it's it's
Speaker 11: and it's a tough ask, to you know to to
Speaker 11: ask a guy, like you, know you know dom or
Speaker 11: goes Up or His SEUs or wolf, or you know
Speaker 11: to be the guy that scores goals when you know historically.
Speaker 11: It hasn't HAPPENED and so i agree that investment. Is
Speaker 11: really important you've got. To HAVE that and i do
Speaker 11: believe with two players that that we can we be
Speaker 11: and no one would. Recognize our team they wouldn't recognize
Speaker 11: all the work that's being done, and the commitment, the
Speaker 11: the graph the quality from our goal to to. The
Speaker 11: FINAL third but i think that, TWO players, would i
Speaker 11: mean two players, have proven experience would would make the
Speaker 11: biggest difference. In the world and and, And you know
Speaker 11: I've talked To. KURT and jason i think we're all
Speaker 11: on the same page as as to what we need in,
Speaker 11: order to, be you know. A real, contender because again
Speaker 11: it's really hard to get all. The Phases right and
Speaker 11: i'm saying we have on both sides. OF the ball
Speaker 11: i would, say we, have you know five of the.
Speaker 11: Six phases unlocked well we're up there with the top.
Speaker 11: Of the league but the one that sticks out the
Speaker 11: most is, that final third and, like you said two
Speaker 11: hundred and something minutes. Without a, goal you know that's
Speaker 11: that's where the pressure just keeps mountain. On the defense
Speaker 11: it keeps mounting on the guys trying to score goals
Speaker 11: because they're just not coming in and offensively try to do.
Speaker 11: More than defensively you can only withstand so much pressure
Speaker 11: before you know you're playing from a place if we can't,
Speaker 11: get one up because, if we do how are we going?
Speaker 11: To SCORE goals and i just think those two top
Speaker 11: players would alleviate all that for us and would put
Speaker 11: us in.
Speaker 1: The right, direction all right we can move.
Speaker 2: Off of it the, sun Is, shining it's tuesday it's,
Speaker 2: a nice day so let's move. Off OF it but
Speaker 2: i do HAVE one more i don't know if it's,
Speaker 2: an uncomfortable question But you took diego off in the
Speaker 2: fifty eighth, minute pre planned sending A message something.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing? What was it what went? Into, that decision,
Speaker 1: NO you know.
Speaker 11: I think after, REVIEWING the game i probably should have.
Speaker 11: Left them, on you know he was he was Leggy
Speaker 11: on the, wednesday at home and probably left him on
Speaker 11: for twenty. Minutes too, LONG but again i think, this
Speaker 11: for me it's just it's just it's a it's a tough. Situation,
Speaker 11: As WELL right so i probably left him on twenty
Speaker 11: minutes too Long in, the Portland game but i'm, thinking
Speaker 11: to myself, we're at home we. Need to win who's
Speaker 11: going to? Score? The goals RIGHT so then i left
Speaker 11: Him on. The colorado game he was he was leggy
Speaker 11: from the start and came at the, halftime, HE says
Speaker 11: COACH i got i got MORE tank and, i was,
Speaker 11: like all right well let's let's. See it now and,
Speaker 11: to be FAIR when when i decided in, the sixtieth
Speaker 11: minute he wasn't really involved in the play except right before.
Speaker 11: He came out and AT that moment i should have
Speaker 11: pulled the sub, back, And said no diego is going,
Speaker 11: to win, this you know win this. Game for us
Speaker 11: and so that's probably, the you know, that's on me.
Speaker 11: But it was but it's, also you know three games
Speaker 11: in a row where he's put. In max, effort you
Speaker 11: know the amount of running he does is. Through the
Speaker 11: roof we're playing down A, Man IN dallas so i
Speaker 11: was half cognizant of not running them. Through the, ringer
Speaker 11: you know he wasn't really involved, in THE game and, I,
Speaker 11: was like okay, maybe this, is you know an opportunity for.
Speaker 11: Some FRESH legs but i THINK in hindsight i should
Speaker 11: have kept them on and maybe run him. Through the
Speaker 11: ringer but then my biggest fear is if you lose A,
Speaker 11: guy like luna then then then it's. Catastrophic as well
Speaker 11: so it's it's it's all those different variables that, went
Speaker 11: into it, but after review you should have left them.
Speaker 9: IN the game i like that.
Speaker 2: Transparency and honesty but speaking of the potential of losing A,
Speaker 2: GUY like luna i Was, not in colorado which is probably.
Speaker 1: Why you lost but we've.
Speaker 2: Been OVER that so i Was watching the apple broadcast
Speaker 2: when something really, caught my ear namely the broadcaster, Saying
Speaker 2: that you pablo told them that you'd Be Surprised if
Speaker 2: diego luna is still with the club After the summer.
Speaker 2: European transfer window is that something that, you told them,
Speaker 2: and if so can you elaborate?
Speaker 6: On?
Speaker 11: That, PLEASE yeah no i think that was complete.
Speaker 8: Out, of, context Okay okay yeahs luna is a guy
Speaker 8: that is near and dear, to my heart only because
Speaker 8: the transformation that he's had since, he's been here and.
Speaker 11: And obviously that's That's all on luna because he the
Speaker 11: work that. He's put, in and, uh you know we
Speaker 11: Were talking, about LUNA'S trajectory and, i was saying when,
Speaker 11: he got here he didn't want to didn't, want to
Speaker 11: defend didn't want to, help the team could could, care less,
Speaker 11: about you know just the only thing he really wanted
Speaker 11: was get. On THE ball and i was talking about
Speaker 11: how the national team is speaking about him and how
Speaker 11: they say he's a guy that plays. With stones right
Speaker 11: he steps on the field and he has a presence
Speaker 11: so even when maybe the attacking, stuff isn't working that
Speaker 11: he still contributes massively to the team and the spirit.
Speaker 11: Of the team AND so then i said it was
Speaker 11: it was in context to how how fast he's got
Speaker 11: he's gone from the player he was to the. Player
Speaker 11: he IS and, so i said along, THAT same trajectory
Speaker 11: i wouldn't be surprised if he's not here at the end,
Speaker 11: of the summer because someone's going to come in and
Speaker 11: pay twenty five million dollars or ever it is to take,
Speaker 11: him somewhere. Else YOU know but i THINK and and
Speaker 11: i think the big the biggest thing with that is too,
Speaker 11: is you know with with, the ownership CHANGE there is
Speaker 11: uh and it's just been mentioned, to me recently which
Speaker 11: is really exciting is ownership doesn't want to sell. Players
Speaker 11: moving forward they want to build a team that the
Speaker 11: community can, get, to know support have, their favorite players
Speaker 11: and build and build, something that's. Long long term and
Speaker 11: so that was. News, TO me obviously i never Want.
Speaker 11: TO lose luna i think that he's he's a player that,
Speaker 11: can you know A Lot like hobby morales back, in
Speaker 11: the day where he's. A game changer he's a he's
Speaker 11: he's a guy that, starts the attack. Finishes the attacks
Speaker 11: he's he's one of the most likable people you will
Speaker 11: ever meet in your life and someone that you always want. To,
Speaker 11: root for so at least, from my, perspective you know
Speaker 11: If if if luna stays here, at the club it
Speaker 11: would BE it'd be i think the best thing for,
Speaker 11: ourselves moving forward because he is a he is a
Speaker 11: PLAYER that is i wouldn't, say is irreplaceable but you'd
Speaker 11: have to you'd have to open up the bank to
Speaker 11: get a player that it is committed and has the
Speaker 11: type of investment that. That he has as an attacking
Speaker 11: player on both sides. Of the ball, that that is that,
Speaker 11: is just, starting you know to make the leap from
Speaker 11: young player. Too now superstar SO that that i think
Speaker 11: so that was that was taken. Out of Context it
Speaker 11: was it wasn't me Wanting. TO move lunan i was
Speaker 11: just speaking towards his trajectory and how. Fast IT'S been
Speaker 11: and i wouldn't be surprised given how how far he's
Speaker 11: coming a year, and a half two years to where he.
Speaker 11: Could potentially go but hopefully it's here at ourselves for.
Speaker 2: The LONG term so i think it's safe To Say
Speaker 2: that Gail Miller and steve starks listen to the Show
Speaker 2: because that's i've just been begging. For, This, Forever, pablo hey,
Speaker 2: porter real quick will you go ahead and formulate a
Speaker 2: Press release that pablo on the Show Has indicated diego
Speaker 2: luna is going TO be an rsl.
Speaker 1: Man for life can you?
Speaker 6: Get?
Speaker 1: That done, yeah. Thank, you sir okay.
Speaker 2: THAT kid buck i know the bottom line of what
Speaker 2: the club is, trying to do, But that news pablo
Speaker 2: is something that is also.
Speaker 1: News to me that had to be music. To, your
Speaker 1: ears yes, TO be fair, i.
Speaker 11: MEAN again and i think this is like a big
Speaker 11: part of like the unknowns that have been. Kind of
Speaker 11: happening the underpinnings is obviously the move of the, transfer
Speaker 11: of ownership and obviously there's different philosophies. Of different groups
Speaker 11: AND working With Gfh and david blitzer. Has been amazing
Speaker 11: it's opened my eyes with different ways. Of doing things
Speaker 11: they care, about the club they look at it from,
Speaker 11: a different PERSPECTIVE and so I think the miller's, being
Speaker 11: you know Family here in utah for so many years
Speaker 11: and love their sports and want to build something that
Speaker 11: the fans can hang. Their hat on is just think
Speaker 11: about it from. A coaching, perspective you know we put
Speaker 11: a lot, of you know time and energy into a
Speaker 11: guy Like on grayce gomez, where you know he came
Speaker 11: in wasn't proven and it took about a year for
Speaker 11: him to get up to speed and then he just
Speaker 11: took off. Like A rocket, and i, thought you know
Speaker 11: it just feels like you're almost like, a you know
Speaker 11: you're you're raising these you're helping develop, these young players
Speaker 11: and then they leave at the time where you think
Speaker 11: they can, make huge impacts not only. At the club from.
Speaker 11: A plane perspective but in the community and and and,
Speaker 11: and you know Like guys like beckerman that we're at
Speaker 11: the club. A long time i mean Fans, you say
Speaker 11: beckerman and everyone knows who, you're talking about and it's
Speaker 11: like it. Just feels good and from, a coaching perspective
Speaker 11: it's great, to see, that you know some of the the,
Speaker 11: time and energy and it's. NOT all soccer a lot
Speaker 11: of it's about life and and how to be a
Speaker 11: good pro and how to look after yourself and how
Speaker 11: to how, to you know how to carry a, little,
Speaker 11: bit more, uh you know responsibility and all these little
Speaker 11: things that you go and see these guys and and,
Speaker 11: and You know and beckerman still lives here and so
Speaker 11: now he's given back. To the COMMUNITY so it's i
Speaker 11: think it's a gift that. Keeps on giving but from
Speaker 11: our standpoint as coaches is it makes the work more
Speaker 11: meaningful when you know that there's a that they could
Speaker 11: potentially be, here long term and it just you can.
Speaker 6: Go all in it's not like a.
Speaker 11: Short term thing you can go all in and make
Speaker 11: the necessary decisions to help them, more LONGER term which
Speaker 11: i think is even. Better for him so music TO
Speaker 11: my ears i think that's why, we do it is
Speaker 11: to build, something that sustainable build a team that can
Speaker 11: be a perennial playoff team that competes with. Trophies every
Speaker 11: year and the only way you do. That is, continuity and,
Speaker 11: so You know helping luna, in his journey, but more
Speaker 11: importantly having the ability to keep them around is, truly
Speaker 11: you know music, to my ears, as you said.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure and look you nailed it. At the
Speaker 1: end it's also the only, way. To win dude. It
Speaker 1: just is it's the only.
Speaker 2: Way to, win like otherwise we're, spinning our wheels the.
Speaker 2: Fans are upset there's nobody that's your long term and
Speaker 2: it does a. Disservice to you so we'll end on
Speaker 2: one more Positive note that i'll set you. LOOSE after
Speaker 2: this i think he got something in. THIS gozo kid
Speaker 2: i don't know, much about him but you've been giving
Speaker 2: them times and starts over the. Past little, bit and,
Speaker 2: look he's, young he's raw but you can see, there's something.
Speaker 11: There isn't there i'll, tell you what and it's, a little.
Speaker 11: BIT you know i don't want to go crazy with the,
Speaker 11: with THE comparisons because i think they're all very unique.
Speaker 9: But raw.
Speaker 6: Talent he has.
Speaker 11: The one thing That's, true with andrea's That's True, with
Speaker 11: diego luna And true with gozo is that, they're, All
Speaker 11: learners right so the young players with a, lot of
Speaker 11: talent but they're also aware that they, don't know everything
Speaker 11: and so what they do is they, go you know
Speaker 11: you give. THEM you know i Was working with gozo
Speaker 11: today on, is crossing right because THAT'S an area i
Speaker 11: think he, can make games and just gave him a
Speaker 11: just a way to think about how he, crosses the
Speaker 11: ball and he started delivering. Really good balls and, so
Speaker 11: it's like this, is for me the beauty of coaching
Speaker 11: is like, sharing your experience, but more important you have
Speaker 11: to have a willing. Participant receiving it if, they know
Speaker 11: everything then there's no there's no need, for, A coach
Speaker 11: RIGHT and so i think those are the similarities between the.
Speaker 11: Three OF them and I think what gozo has is really,
Speaker 11: high end speed really high end, work rate defensively and
Speaker 11: what he's doing every day after practice is sharpening his
Speaker 11: tools in front, of the, goal, so, shooting crossing, passing
Speaker 11: you know all. These little things and so there is
Speaker 11: No doubt that gozo is going to be a top player.
Speaker 11: In this, league and again is it two, years from
Speaker 11: now is, it next year is it four? Years FROM
Speaker 11: now is. I don't know but he has all the
Speaker 11: footballing characteristics that can make him a, top, pro physical physical, and,
Speaker 11: You know technical, but more importantly he's got the character
Speaker 11: of A guy that i believe will be a learner and.
Speaker 11: He'll get it he will, figure it out and he
Speaker 11: will understand what his role is and what his craft
Speaker 11: is and. Putting all together in the short term the
Speaker 11: way he's helping our group because he just brings so
Speaker 11: much enthusiasm and energy at a time where our team really.
Speaker 11: Really needs it so he's been special, for US now
Speaker 11: but i really believe he'll be a special player for
Speaker 11: this club.
Speaker 9: In, The future well.
Speaker 2: POB'S my guy i feel like, today with therapy we,
Speaker 2: exercised some demons we talked, through some issues and then
Speaker 2: we ended, in the nest in.
Speaker 1: The, safe place.
Speaker 11: Right let's go. IT'S all good. I appreciate you i'll
Speaker 11: send you the check for. The therapy.
Speaker 2: Session Love It the pablo mationnroy Head Coach over al
Speaker 2: salake rsl welcomes in the Best Team In Major league
Speaker 2: soccer vancouver coming up seven Point. Thirty on saturday if
Speaker 2: you missed that interview AND you're, an rsl fan the
Speaker 2: big titbit Is that recently pablo was told that the,
Speaker 2: new ownership group which of course Led by, the miller
Speaker 2: family not interested in selling any of these. Young talented
Speaker 2: players does that mean it. Will, never happen no but
Speaker 2: it's the only way to win continuity.
Speaker 1: Build. A roster man that.
Speaker 2: Is good news if, you missed it check out the
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Speaker 1: Zero h right the. Playoffs are back.
Speaker 2: Playoffs, are back tonight both in the world of professional
Speaker 2: hockey and the world. Of professional basketball We're gonna Have
Speaker 2: Carolida and florida game ONE here on espn SEVEN hundred
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Speaker 2: Fan tomorrow night it Will be the Knicks, and the
Speaker 2: celtics so stay. Tuned for that and on the hockey,
Speaker 2: side of things it Will be the Oilers. And the
Speaker 2: stars so the final four in both hockey AND in the.
Speaker 2: Nba IS set can i get something off my chest
Speaker 2: before we? Say good, Night of course i'm all for
Speaker 2: like off. Season football conversation folks love football or the Home.
Speaker 2: Of the utes do college football as much as. We
Speaker 2: possibly can i'm not one just to piss topics on air.
Speaker 2: THAT aren't applicable i am so over the debate about
Speaker 2: whether or not the tush push should be, allowed.
Speaker 1: Every, break, every day.
Speaker 2: Man every day there's another update about This topic that
Speaker 2: i'm just. Completely tired of.
Speaker 3: Maybe, to your liking that debate will be over tomorrow
Speaker 3: when the voter's the owners vote, to ban it which.
Speaker 1: Is just silly. It's a play it's.
Speaker 3: A quarterback sneak it's a quarterback sneak done by a
Speaker 3: quarterback that squats five hundred pounds and a running back
Speaker 3: that you know it does, more than that and an
Speaker 3: offensive line that is maybe the best. In the league
Speaker 3: but it's. A quarterback sneak if you want, to talk,
Speaker 3: about you know assisting the runner and kurtelling those rules, a,
Speaker 3: little bit okay but we're changing the rules around. A
Speaker 3: quarterback sneak that is something that is being voted on
Speaker 3: by a bunch of owners, around the league and it's
Speaker 3: going to. BE approved tomorrow, i want, to you know
Speaker 3: just preface that very little chance that it isn't and
Speaker 3: it's because a bunch of teams Can't stop the eagles.
Speaker 3: From doing it, and to me that's. It's pretty Dumb i'm.
Speaker 3: A cowboys fan I, HATE the eagles, i you Know
Speaker 3: Even though britain covey's. ON that roster i struggle cheering
Speaker 3: for them To Win.
Speaker 1: A super.
Speaker 3: Bowl it's ridiculous if if you, can't stop it draft
Speaker 3: That kid from florida and try. To stop it I'm
Speaker 3: kind of i'm. Kind of bugged and the fact that
Speaker 3: we continue to change sports to make them LIKE better
Speaker 3: for tv and easier on the eyes, Is uh yeah
Speaker 3: i'm not really on.
Speaker 1: Board with it, it's pretty WILD how uh i?
Speaker 2: Mean to me what this is is a testament THAT'S
Speaker 2: how popular nfl football is that every single day we're
Speaker 2: getting an update. On The tushbush, to porter's point if you,
Speaker 2: don't like, it stop it and you don't change the
Speaker 2: rules because you can't stop the play that's been legal
Speaker 2: for decades and.
Speaker 1: Decades and decades.
Speaker 2: It's, just ridiculous also today it WAS unanimous that nfl
Speaker 2: players are okay to play flag football in the Twenty.
Speaker 2: TWENTY eighth olympics i, continue to ask who are. We
Speaker 2: playing against football is really Only played in America and
Speaker 2: maybe canada.
Speaker 1: A little bit there's, a, little kicking.
Speaker 3: Yeah there's a There's a few australian players that have
Speaker 3: made IT. In, The Nfl Obviously mitch wi. SHNOWSKI a
Speaker 3: punter i believe The forty nine ers had a punt
Speaker 3: returner Who was. Of australian descent So, the the aussies,
Speaker 3: they're gonna, have you know, some. Special teams guys you
Speaker 3: know there, are a couple like like euro teams that.
Speaker 3: STILL have organizations i don't know who, they really, play
Speaker 3: but yeah. We'll, SEE it uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know i just this whole thing has. Caught
Speaker 1: me up we.
Speaker 2: Should play ourselves they should have like multiple flag football
Speaker 2: teams Comprised OF only american nfl players because it is
Speaker 2: literally a sport that Has. Played in america it is
Speaker 2: a game that you throw a football, with your hands
Speaker 2: but there's. A little kicking there's, a little.
Speaker 3: Kicking even though it's. Still called football we're getting rid of.
Speaker 3: All the kicking how many?
Speaker 1: Points is? It sometimes?
Speaker 11: One?
Speaker 1: Sometimes three right you SAW the? The, snl, skit.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah excellent stuff those skits.
Speaker 3: Are really funny they've DONE one on nfl But also
Speaker 3: Like america. And english language. It's good stuff who you
Speaker 3: Leaning Towards? T?
Speaker 2: Wolves OKASE i honestly I think okay see is the,
Speaker 2: Lean for sure but there's something About the way minnesota has.
Speaker 2: A little, something i mean they've got several dudes they Can.
Speaker 2: Throw at shay rudy's going to neutralize a lot of.
Speaker 2: Their interior drives they love to. ATTACK the, bucket I
Speaker 2: mean if i was putting, money On it, Which i'm
Speaker 2: not i'd probably put it On, An OKAY see but
Speaker 2: i would Not.
Speaker 1: Look Past minnesota.
Speaker 3: Okay see is the Better roster okay see, is you
Speaker 3: know over the, next five years the team that we're
Speaker 3: going to, be Talking. About NOT minnesota but i might
Speaker 3: be Leaning towards the timberwolves. Just right now, they've been
Speaker 3: there they know what a conference. Finals looks like they
Speaker 3: have a bunch of players who have decades long careers building.
Speaker 3: Towards This Moment while oka see. Is MORE talented while
Speaker 3: i believe that you know almost every box of WHICH
Speaker 3: which way i lean Goes, TOWARDS ok see i kind
Speaker 3: of have a Feeling That the minnesota timberwolves pull, this
Speaker 3: one out and they do so behind the veteran leadership that.
Speaker 6: They do have.
Speaker 3: There is one there is ONE thing that i am
Speaker 3: looking for, In, the series spence The Narrative of rudy
Speaker 3: gobert being like tough to play in the playoffs or
Speaker 3: sometimes played off the floor in the playoffs is. Mostly
Speaker 3: completely unwarranted but, in this series, in this matchup there
Speaker 3: are some guys that that that okay se can throw
Speaker 3: at him to, space the Floor to put rudy in
Speaker 3: the situations that we Saw where the jazz, were asking,
Speaker 3: him you know not. Out Of position the jazz were
Speaker 3: asking him to guard two players at a time, in
Speaker 3: the corner in the short corner and still continue to
Speaker 3: to to. Guard the post that's, something that okay see
Speaker 3: can maybe go back and look at and uh try
Speaker 3: to emulate. A little bit i'm curious to see how.
Speaker 2: That, plays out yeah It, will be uh it will
Speaker 2: be really really interesting to see how this. SERIES plays
Speaker 2: out i will admit It's not Quite Shaq. And kobe
Speaker 2: beef i'd Like to see rudy, get a trophy yeah
Speaker 2: before Our, guy don okay that's, KIND of like i
Speaker 2: know that narrative got.
Speaker 1: A little tired which team?
Speaker 2: Are, you on yeah but no knowing what happened behind
Speaker 2: the scenes and All the guff rudy took and really
Speaker 2: what Was happening was donovan and his powerful agency. Making,
Speaker 2: POWER plays Yeah i just i'm kind Of cheering For
Speaker 2: rudy and mike like And Of course joey Ingles.
Speaker 1: Too love conley i'd love To see go bert.
Speaker 3: Get a trophy i'm Not, over the nicks not over the,
Speaker 3: next of course be More. PARTIAL to conley i think
Speaker 3: he is one of the real good GUYS, in the
Speaker 3: Nba not. The rudi's Not he's a he's. A nice dude,
Speaker 3: BUT you know I Look at mike conley as one
Speaker 3: of the nicer fellas that we've worked WITH in. The
Speaker 3: nba circles, that being said if you do make It
Speaker 3: like a, Rudy don thing i'm with, you on that
Speaker 3: it would be cool to, see him win and Not
Speaker 3: Just the, rudy dahn thing But just the rudy versus the. World,
Speaker 3: type thing right whether we talk about the go back,
Speaker 3: to the combine go back to his time. As a
Speaker 3: prospect there's Just something, about rudy where even though there's
Speaker 3: parts OF him that, i loved, HATE you know i
Speaker 3: think that he can lean into. THE sensitivity stuff i
Speaker 3: think the, crystals, ARE silly right. I have that i
Speaker 3: have that argument with my. Aunt every week it's it's
Speaker 3: something that that is. Is very rooty it's part, of his,
Speaker 3: IDENTITY and man i think that it would be it
Speaker 3: would be pretty cool to see.
Speaker 2: That guy WIN last thing a recommendation before we say good,
Speaker 2: Night last night no playoff basketball got all cut UP.
Speaker 2: On hacks hbo WHAT else did i? Catch up, on
Speaker 2: CAN'T remember but i did sit. Down and watch we
Speaker 2: Had Our Guy caylin jones on Who's Now with netflix
Speaker 2: pubby in His. New documentary Untold It's. Called shooting guards
Speaker 2: it's about The Situation with Gilbert Arenas. And javars critenen
Speaker 2: and one of The things that i'm told Does Really
Speaker 2: well manti tale story among others, that They've done the
Speaker 2: brett farv may drop tonight actually Doing one On. Brett
Speaker 2: favre is the story gets reported and then you believe initially,
Speaker 2: what you hear and then it goes away and then
Speaker 2: you kind of. Forget about it you will be floored
Speaker 2: about what Actually Happened between Javaris Crittin. And GILBERT arenas
Speaker 2: and i came away feeling So Gutted. For javar's crittin
Speaker 2: and now let, Me Be clear javar's crittinen was committed
Speaker 2: of murder far, after the fact and spend a, decade
Speaker 2: in jail and unfortunately a young lady lost her life.
Speaker 2: With multiple kids of course, not condoning that but the
Speaker 2: way this was portrayed and, what actually happened it is
Speaker 2: worth your time to. CHECK this out i think you'll
Speaker 2: come away with a lot Of Sympathy for, javar's critten.
Speaker 3: Well and as you kind, of alluded to that later
Speaker 3: situation didn't happen in a vacuum away from What Happened
Speaker 3: to javaris critten. In his career all, of the above it's.
Speaker 3: AN interesting look i still got. To finish, It, but
Speaker 3: yeah kaylin cool to see him make moves regardless of.
Speaker 3: Where it is he's always, covering something. Cool something, Interesting
Speaker 3: and yeah i'm looking forward to the, farv one too
Speaker 3: because that's been that's been one of the more kind
Speaker 3: of polarizing but interesting stories in the retired sports world.
Speaker 3: In recent, Memory so yeah i'll Finish, the Shooting guards
Speaker 3: which kaylin got the uh got the assignment for. Naming
Speaker 3: that one, hit it out hit the nail, on the head.
Speaker 1: He sure did.
Speaker 2: He, Sure did indeed. Rest In peace George, wentz better
Speaker 2: norm Better known As.
Speaker 1: Norm from cheers he.
Speaker 2: Passed, away today okay unfortunately that you're way too Young.
Speaker 2: TO remember, CHEERS i, know i, know you know you
Speaker 2: know some Some quotes. That i've heard my, family love,
Speaker 2: Cheers but yeah cheers to me is the, bar, downtown
Speaker 2: indeed indeed but it was a great television show a number,
Speaker 2: Of Years, Ago Ted, danson kirsty ally, look, It up
Speaker 2: kids it was phenomenal back. In the, Day all right
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