WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:08.519 Get ready, get ready for you. 2 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.519 Know, it looks like it's the sixteenth day I guess 3 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:20.800 of May? Is that right? Sixteenth day May? All right? Anyway, yeah, 4 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:23.359 there it is not the eydes of March, but a 5 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:27.600 day after the IDEs of May whatever, fifteen days after 6 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:30.120 May Day. It is what it is. It was what 7 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.679 it was, and hey, you know, adventures in the Middle 8 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:37.320 East to side. Here we are. It's Friday and open 9 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:41.159 mic time, so let's get to it. Uh three one nine, 10 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:43.719 five two seven five zero one six is still the 11 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.799 number to call in. And we've got at least four 12 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.240 hours of live stuff to do tonight, so there you go. Plus, 13 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.920 I did a short attention span DJ theater earlier and 14 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.799 I'll put that into the replay mix, and I should 15 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.640 have a show or two over the weekend, so it 16 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.640 will be an interesting week of podcasting, although it hasn't 17 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.680 been yet. So and I can't do short attentionspan DJ 18 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:10.200 theater and podcast form because copyright problems, but I can 19 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:12.519 replay it on my little online radio station. So for 20 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:14.359 those of you the tune indo Shelly dot com at 21 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.959 random times a day, you guys will get to hear 22 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.760 the replay. There you go as you've been here in 23 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.079 the replace all week of everything else that's gone on 24 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:24.760 and some of the older ones that I put in. Anyhow, 25 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:27.439 like I said, three one nine five two seven five 26 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.000 zero one six still the number to call in and 27 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:33.920 join up with this this week and it is a Friday. Anyway, 28 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:36.239 I got my co host with me. We don't have 29 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.280 the special uh celebrity caller this week, so open lines 30 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.799 this whole time, all the way up to ten pm 31 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.760 when the Age of Transition starts, and then eleven pm 32 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.719 will have Uncle the broadcast and I have no idea 33 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.280 what's going to happen there, So there you go. Anyways, 34 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:54.480 what's on your mind? Bpete this week? 35 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:57.239 Oh, it's been a busy week. 36 00:01:57.239 --> 00:01:59.159 We've been dodging a lot of rain two I mean 37 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.120 off of all every day, so trying to get your 38 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.760 work done and between that's been a little hard to do. 39 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.719 But other than that, busy online, you know, with the 40 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.919 government now that I'm retired individual and subject to the 41 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.120 large as such society that I paid for with taxes 42 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:15.120 all these damn years. 43 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:18.000 But other than that, it's been. 44 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:18.120 A good week. 45 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.639 Just reading the story here, it's funny story picked up 46 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.120 on a Detroit TV station that happened in Charlotte here 47 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:30.039 in the state of my Choosing. The manager at Popeye's 48 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.960 was arrested for attempted first degree murder after shooting a 49 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.319 co worker during an argument over burnt biscuits. 50 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.039 Burn biscuits. 51 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:39.960 It's getting bad out there, man. 52 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.560 You can't even go to work at bo Hangile's without 53 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:45.639 taking a chance of taking a shot. 54 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.360 That's rough, man. You know they closed the Bojangles. You 55 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:51.080 know when you came to visit me, was there a 56 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:52.759 Bojangles still down the street from us? 57 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:54.520 I think there was? 58 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:55.520 I think so. 59 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:57.919 I think there was pasted on the way to the 60 00:02:57.960 --> 00:02:59.199 place where we got cigarettes. 61 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.439 Yeah, I think so, right, because we ended up going 62 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.280 to Lolo or something to go get cigarettes because we 63 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.199 got the circle k on the corner and then the 64 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.000 next block over used to be a Bojangles, but they 65 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.439 pulled it, and apparently they pulled a whole bunch of them. 66 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:16.080 They even closed some Popeyes in the city, which is weird, weird, 67 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:19.599 but they were claiming supply chain issues. 68 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.360 And about a couple of Popeyes up this way. 69 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:26.400 Yeah, I mean Bojangles. Isn't that from North Carolina? That 70 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.360 chicken franchise or what. Yeah. 71 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:36.080 In fact, they were quartered in Charlotte, and yeah, they 72 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.599 started in this area, started branching out. They're one of 73 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:41.960 the success stories of fast food. 74 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:45.800 Well, you know what another success story is, and I 75 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.560 don't even know why. It's a success story from the 76 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.560 Northeast and from a bad part of the northeast. Really 77 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:56.400 Connecticut subway. Oh my god, I cannot stand that there 78 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.360 are subway restaurants everywhere. And the reason why there are 79 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.240 is because they were the cheapest franchise to buy for 80 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.240 a very long time, you know. Yeah. 81 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.400 Yeah, And they don't they don't take up a lot 82 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:11.479 of room. They're one of the few fast food companies 83 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:14.840 that can be retrofitted into kiosks because they really don't 84 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:15.560 need a lot of room. 85 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.480 Yeah, kiosk. You can put them into a modular situation 86 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.600 where you have, like, you know, a couple of different things, 87 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.439 like say you got a a convenience store, right, and 88 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.399 you've got okay, I want to put a fast food 89 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:27.959 in here, and then I also want to put a 90 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.480 service in here, you know, and you want to put 91 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.000 a couple of slots. They can design it for that too. 92 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:35.759 They crunch it down and make the fridge small and everything, 93 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:37.720 you know, as long as you got. 94 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.360 One thing I hate about that though, is when you 95 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.000 get a bunch of those chains together in the little 96 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.680 chios sections, it really puts a hamper on what can 97 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.519 be sold in the adjoining convenience store. 98 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.120 Yeah, well did they They don't. I was just going 99 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.120 to ask you, did they put Papa John's in your 100 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:56.439 circle case yet? 101 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.720 No, They've Circle K's been trying to trying to keep 102 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.279 up with Speedway when it comes to pizzas and things 103 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.720 like that, food choices, and they've modernized a lot of 104 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.160 Circle K's up here to put in newer stuff to 105 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:15.240 allow for food. But they don't. Their problem is staff 106 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.759 not keeping it stocked. That's their biggest issue. Speedway took 107 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:21.720 over on that. Now, I'm sure. 108 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.160 See now you think that you think that's an issue. 109 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.160 I got to tell you something about that though, because 110 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.639 Kim occasionally goes down and does what like a smart 111 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:33.800 shift for the Circle K. And the thing is they 112 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.680 don't have a problem with stocking the food corporate tells 113 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.160 them not to. They're only supposed to put out like 114 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:43.839 exactly what they used the day before, basically, so they 115 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:45.480 never they don't want waste. 116 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.720 Yeah, I understand that these stores up here though, are 117 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.519 severely lacking on stocking and subways kicking their butt. Yeah, 118 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:55.879 but they breakfast at lunch. 119 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:57.560 But they've done it here too, where they put up 120 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.160 one rack of hot dogs and that's it for the day. Hey, 121 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.759 how can that be possible in a busy city like this? Right? 122 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.040 One rack of hot dogs for the day. And they 123 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.240 got rid of the original Circle K pizza and they 124 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:11.920 put in these Papa John's minis, which is weird because 125 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:14.560 now you got raceway going into yours. I don't know, 126 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.800 it's like Circle K like play in the field here 127 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:18.560 or what I think. 128 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.680 So the Speedway just got bought out last year by 129 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:25.720 seven to eleven, so they're slowly making the transition over 130 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.639 to seven eleven, which we didn't have a lot of 131 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.319 seven elevens in this area, and they were usually more 132 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.920 expensive than all the other convenienced zones. And now that 133 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:38.759 they bought out Speedway, they the prices are starting to 134 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:40.399 go through a roof. I used to get a whole 135 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.279 pizza for six bucks. Now it's eleven dollars, ten dollars. 136 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.120 Now you know what's weird about that? I read an 137 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.079 article that possibly Circle K was going to buy Southland, 138 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:53.160 and I was like, when the hell did they get 139 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:55.839 that big? But and they came from. 140 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.199 Kay's pretty big because you got to realize Circle K 141 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.959 used to be the Circle K and Kangaroo and they 142 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.399 bought up Kangaroo stores. 143 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:07.720 See. Now, the first time I ever heard of a 144 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:10.839 circle K was in that Bill and Ted movie, Remember 145 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.680 the Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, like in the eighties. Yeah, 146 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:16.720 that's the first time I ever even heard of a 147 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:18.759 Circle K. And then I don't know, I thought they 148 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.759 were in Florida or something. And then they just started 149 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.639 springing up in a lot of places and they bought 150 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:26.079 the kangaroos or they took over the kangaroos I should 151 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.600 say in North Carolina. And I went, this is weird, 152 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:31.959 Like Circle K is becoming this like I don't know, 153 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.480 the Walmart of convenience stores, right, yeah, just like you. 154 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.120 Know Kingston as smile as it was. 155 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.000 It ended up when Circle K bought Kangaroo, they ended 156 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.560 up with four stores in the city, each other had two. 157 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.120 And when they merged and then they closed down the 158 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:49.720 ones that weren't as profitable. But it's getting tough because 159 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.000 now wah Wah has come down from Pennsylvania and is 160 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.399 opening up places BUCkies, the huge place we stopped there 161 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.560 in Texas. They're opening up stores. It's getting to be 162 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:02.399 cut throat out there. 163 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.959 Yeah, it's getting weird. Look, if wa Wah comes down here, 164 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.040 I'm gonna be happy because I like the way Wawah runs. 165 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:10.560 But they don't have a store. The closest thing you 166 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:12.759 got to ahuah Wah in this area at all, like 167 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.759 any part of the South is Sheets, you know. Uh, 168 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:18.959 But wah Wah had, you know, like the best, like 169 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.120 just quick, quick, easy, cheap subs. They used to have. 170 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:23.560 They had all kinds of hospitals. 171 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:27.240 Yeah, the owner of Sheets sent as kids to school 172 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:29.399 up at the High Point University. And I got to 173 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.680 talking with a couple of them when we were when 174 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:33.960 I worked for DOT, I had to go and inspect 175 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.919 their connections with the our road race system and. 176 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:37.720 All that, and. 177 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.320 So I got to talking to them, and I mean 178 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.080 they started just to take on wah Wah. So now 179 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.639 we've got both Pennsylvania big competitors down here. 180 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.480 Nice. Uh Okay, so it looks like we do have 181 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.039 a caller. But again I'll give the number out three 182 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.360 one nine five two seven, five zero one six. I 183 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.919 know I talk fast, but I try to slow it down. 184 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.320 Three to one nine five two seven five zero one six. 185 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.000 That's still the number until things change here. And we're 186 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.320 still playing around with a couple of different setups, trying 187 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:12.480 to get the best deal because I'm gonna pay somebody. 188 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.399 I'm not gonna pay Skype anymore, but somebody's gonna get 189 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:17.320 my money, and they're gonna get more of it because 190 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.399 Skype I had a good deal with and of course 191 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:22.120 they get rid of the cheap thing, and they got 192 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:23.440 to make you you know, you got to buy a 193 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.759 whole bundle with Microsoft now, so there you go. Or 194 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.600 you can find a new thing, and that's always fun. 195 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.519 I don't want to use zoom. I really hate zoom, 196 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.759 but who knows, maybe we'll use zoom. I guess we'll 197 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.279 have to see. Jitsy's been interesting too, But I got 198 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:44.039 somebody else like making me use that in order to 199 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:47.080 talk to them. And I got one other thing. I 200 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.600 can't remember the name of it now, But everybody's got to, 201 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.639 you know, pay to play set up, and you know, yeah, 202 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:56.000 you can have this and this for free. But then 203 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.519 there's all kinds of complications. As a matter of fact, 204 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:00.879 we're supposed to get cut off after sixty minutes, I 205 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.960 think on some of these things, which is ridiculous. So 206 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.320 unless you're upily last week, we didn't. Yeah, well we didn't, 207 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:13.000 and I was surprised. Anyways, let's see what this caller is. Uh, 208 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:17.200 let's see. It looks like six one seven area code 209 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.759 and you're live on the show. Don't know, I don't 210 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:22.679 recognize the number. 211 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:25.679 But how you doing, Chris Graves? 212 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:26.200 How you doing? 213 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.600 Oh it's Chris? Okay, how you doing? Chris? I know 214 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.679 you and I spoke yesterday off there, but. 215 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:36.279 Yeah, no it was great. 216 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.679 Yeah, so how you doing tonight? 217 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.440 We are you just wondering? I'm just wondering. I always 218 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:49.399 thought bo Jangles was like a blues guitar player from 219 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.879 like the forties, by BB King's sidekick or something. 220 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.399 No, he was like a dancing bo Jangles. Let me 221 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:57.840 let me see if I can explain. I don't know, 222 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:59.919 you know what. Maybe I should go to the Wikipedia 223 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:05.240 on this, because bo Jangles was a kind of a 224 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.440 figure who I recall was a black guy who danced. 225 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.879 That's all I know about him. But let me, let 226 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:14.879 me look that up real fast. But it's it's a 227 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:18.200 chicken joint in North Carolina that has spread out to 228 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.320 some other parts of the South. And I had never 229 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.399 heard of it until I moved to North Carolina. And 230 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.840 it's not bad. It's good chicken. Uh, it's better fried chicken. 231 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.320 I'm in Massachusetts. I haven't even heard of it. So 232 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.480 that's why, like how I'm trying to remember, like is 233 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:38.559 like my history bo Jangles. I always thought was some 234 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.559 kind of blues artist, uh, from like the forties, like 235 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:47.240 in the same vein of like BB King. But you're 236 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:52.960 telling me it's a chicken joint in like the South East. 237 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.200 Right, Yeah, well, okay, so his his Wikipedia reads like 238 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:59.120 this and this is this is I told you off 239 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.879 the top of my head, right who he was. But 240 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.279 let's see, it looks like he uh let's see, Luther 241 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.960 his real name was Bill Robinson, Okay, and uh, let's 242 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.039 see it was an American tap dancer, actor, and singer, 243 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.759 best known and most highly paid black entertainer in the 244 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.600 United States during the first half of the twentieth century. 245 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.840 So he was like, yeah, he was a guy from 246 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.919 that time period. You're talking about he was actually born 247 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.879 in eighteen seventy eight, so he's from the early part 248 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:34.039 of the twentieth century. And he was like a tap 249 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:38.360 dancer and singer and stuff like that. And I don't 250 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.600 even know if his family has anything to do with 251 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.360 the bo Jangles restaurant or what, but. 252 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.919 I would hope so it's they're getting some kind of residuals. 253 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.759 Well, ye who knows, because you know, they had a 254 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.080 bunch of different places that were named after people at 255 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.679 one point that they you know, like different things happened, 256 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:03.360 like the baby Roof candy are right, you know, Babe 257 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.720 Ruth's family tried to sue over that. I think they 258 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:08.320 finally settled it after like I don't know, one hundred 259 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.799 years of the candy bar being made with his family, 260 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.360 but I mean they didn't really pay them. And there's 261 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:17.679 been other people that have sort of just been the 262 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.799 mascots or whatever, which is weird because, like I said, 263 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.200 a lot of these things were very much regional, but 264 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.159 then things have started to spread. And the reason why 265 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:33.080 I called the Circle K the Walmart of the convenience 266 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:38.360 stores is because Circle well Walmart was not in the 267 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.440 Northeast at one point when I was a kid. I 268 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:44.879 remember there was no Walmart. We had Kmart, we had 269 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:50.519 coldor we had let me think, two guys, you know, 270 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.759 and the stuff in the ball. Yeah, okay, Bradley's. We 271 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.960 had stuff like that. But Walmart was like a new 272 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:00.519 thing in like, I don't know, nineteen nineties may maybe 273 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.039 it emerged sort of. I mean we could look that 274 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:06.159 up too, but I know it came to the northeast 275 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.000 then and it was like, well, this is huge in 276 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:11.320 the South or somewhere, and I was like okay. And 277 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.559 then next thing I knew is that Walmart was all 278 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.759 the way across the country. And Circle K I'd never 279 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:21.039 heard of again until the Bill and Ted movie They're 280 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.200 Excellent Adventure. They were outside of the Circle K when 281 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.360 George Carlin shows up in the phone booth, right, So 282 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:30.919 I almost thought it was one of those fictional places, 283 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.480 like you know, like what was the name of the 284 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:36.879 burger joint in American Beauty, right, mister Happy Burger or 285 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:43.879 something stupid or movies, yeah, or even well falling down right, 286 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.399 he goes to wham Burger or whatever. Like a lot 287 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.080 of Hollywood movies don't want to use real restaurants, so 288 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.960 they make up something, which is a funky thing when 289 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.120 you look at Come Up to America, because there actually 290 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:04.159 was a guy that made up McDowell's. Yeah, that whole 291 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:07.559 funky McDowell's controversy with McDonald's where the black guys got 292 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.799 his McDowell's was like based on a real thing. It 293 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.879 actually happened and yeah, and the guy like you know, 294 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.399 Paramount Yeah, and it was like, but but it was 295 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.399 based on a real thing where a guy actually opened 296 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.200 up a restaurant before that movie and was like, Oh, 297 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.360 I don't have the Golden Arches. I have the Golden Arcs, 298 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:34.159 you know, right, And oh it's not a big Mac, 299 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.679 it's a big Mick, you know. And it was like, oh, dude, 300 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:41.279 you know, come on man. But clearly it was based 301 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:44.039 on that. But the thing is about this convenience store stuff. 302 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.759 Like I loved Wah Wah being up in the Northeast. 303 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:48.320 I thought it was great and I was thought of 304 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.519 it as a Jersey thing, but it was in Pennsylvania. 305 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.840 And the weird thing about that is that Turkey Hill 306 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:59.000 had stores up in the northeast too, in Pennsylvania mainly, 307 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.320 and the Turkey Hills store looked like a carbon copy 308 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:04.240 of ah Wah Wah. It was exactly the same thing, 309 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.960 except all the products that would be marked wahwah in 310 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.919 a wah Wah were marked Turkey Hill. Like they're big things, 311 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.799 iced tea and different different products whatever Turkey Hill makes. 312 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.120 I know they make iced tea, ice cream, a few 313 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:17.799 other things. 314 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:23.000 But it was almost like a take on Cumberland Farms. 315 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:25.879 Kind of sort of but see Cumberland Farms is another 316 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.039 one that used to exist when when I was a kid, 317 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.679 and Krauser's was another one when I was a kid. 318 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.120 These were convenience stores in the Northeast, but Krausers got 319 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.399 like dissolved into a whole bunch of independence stores. I 320 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.639 don't think they exist anymore. There was quick Check quick 321 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:42.679 Checkers another one. 322 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.879 Uh shouldn't there shouldn't be long before Chris's Bojangles up 323 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.240 his way, because I mean what twenty twenty two they 324 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:54.159 boat Angles opened ten locations in Jersey and they went north. 325 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:58.679 They've opened in Vegas, moving east, and this last year 326 00:16:58.720 --> 00:16:59.960 they expanded into Phoenix. 327 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.960 Weird, and they kicked them the hell out of making Georgia's. 328 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:09.319 I don't know what that says, but they were they Yeah. 329 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:12.160 Is Popeyees headquartered down there? Or they are they Atlanta? 330 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:13.640 Or are they in Louisiana. 331 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:15.799 You know, I don't know where Popeyes. I would think 332 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.960 would be in Louisiana, but you never know. Like I said, 333 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.359 it's so strange to me that like subway comes from 334 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.519 Connecticut and that that has continued to grow, because I 335 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.200 would have thought that thing would have failed a long 336 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:28.640 time ago. But it's so cheap and easy to buy, 337 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:32.440 That's why. But otherwise, let me look up where what 338 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.240 do you say, Popeyes? Where's their talk? 339 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:38.799 Looking forwards? Now, let's see Louisiana kitchen ink? Yeah, out 340 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:39.720 of New Orleans. 341 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:41.680 Well, see that makes sense. 342 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:43.240 Now they're headquartered in Miami. 343 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:47.960 Now, okay, so they moved, Yeah, Miami funded. 344 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:49.440 In seventy two in New Orleans and. 345 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:53.839 Then right and and this again is the emergence of 346 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:58.000 all these chicken places. I guarantee is post KFC's success, 347 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:05.160 you know what I mean? Yeah, And that's a KFC's Louisville, Kentucky, right, 348 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:11.599 pretty sure? Yeah, Yeah, that's right. But Miami, Miami's got 349 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.000 a bunch of cores. Is it like Miami becoming like 350 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:15.079 a big corporate center? 351 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.480 Now, yeah, because of their taxes. 352 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:20.720 Yeah, that's what it is, right, it is. 353 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.240 Texas and Florida. I mean they're going crazy. 354 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:26.640 Well, you know anytime you give them a tax break. 355 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:28.880 I mean that's why Amazon does what it does, because 356 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.200 they go everywhere where they get a special deal, you know. 357 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.559 And that's why the Amazon warehouses pop. We got those 358 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:39.480 here in making because you know, if you can what about. 359 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.400 What about truck? 360 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.400 What about pizza Hut? Because I know pizza Hut was 361 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.720 like a Midwest thing, but it was all over the 362 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:51.000 Northeast when I was a kid. And uh, now you 363 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.039 can't find a pizza Hut unless it's like a carry 364 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.559 carry out kind of thing, and it's not really the same, 365 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:03.279 Like you don't like the salad bar and the buffet 366 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:08.240 and everything. It's literally it's very hard to find. 367 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:09.599 Right. 368 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:12.880 Well, they were hurt a lot of COVID hurt, a 369 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:16.079 lot of KFC or Pizza Hut locations. We had two 370 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.519 shut down in Lexington and the only thing left was 371 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:21.920 to carry out. But that's the problem is they're having 372 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:27.559 to compete against Papa John's and Domino's and Little Caesars 373 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:31.839 and the sit down restaurant part of it started failing. 374 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.599 You know, people will getting it delivered to the house. 375 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.319 Why go to Pizza Hut, So that's part of them. 376 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:39.240 And then COVID all damn near killed them. 377 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.160 Well like COVID killed Chuck E Cheese and then Chuck 378 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.559 E Cheese tried to rebrand itself with some other kind 379 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.039 of pizza and you know, and that was laughable because 380 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.640 who the hell was the chunky cheese for the pizza. 381 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:55.319 So let's see, Yes, kfcity is still in Louisville, Kentucky. 382 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.240 Yeah, KFC Okay, I. 383 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.640 Got checking Cheese was canceled way before the pandemic there, no, 384 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:05.200 but see I thought so too, But no, that's really 385 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:05.799 when it died. 386 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.880 It actually went out of business. Funny thing about Pizza 387 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:11.519 Hut is I know, and it was very very strange 388 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:13.279 that I know this, but I know they were founded 389 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:18.759 in Wichita, Kansas And yeah, Dad heard that. Yeah, and 390 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.440 I think they have since I'm looking now. See they're 391 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.599 one of these ones that moved to Texas. Like BP 392 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.400 was saying, because of the tax breaks, a lot of 393 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.640 a lot of these corporate headquarters migrated to either Texas 394 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:31.279 or Florida. 395 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.400 So bro and that's that's another problem for pieces of 396 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.319 places like KFC and Pizza Hut. Not only is the 397 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.480 competition getting harder, but you know they're not their own company. Now, 398 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:48.400 KFC was bought by Young Brands, which also has oh crap, 399 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:53.039 Burger King. I think Pizza Hut is in that group. 400 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:57.880 So when you get one of these mega companies that 401 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:01.880 buys several fast food joint Okay, well, we're gonna push 402 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.680 Burger King this year. We've got these new ad promotions, 403 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:07.000 We're going to try this new product, blah blah blah. 404 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:11.640 And it's almost like, yeah, KFC, same company as Pizza 405 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:16.200 Hut and Taco Bell. So it's hard sometimes on the 406 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:19.000 corporate level you let your business go to pieces. 407 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:20.680 You know, it's a shame. 408 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:25.799 Pizza Hut and KFC were staples when I was growing up. 409 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.440 You see. Now Pizza Hut would probably be dead though 410 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:32.079 without those modulars because they lost their their in house 411 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.400 restaurant thing. Like you said, during the pandemic. They were 412 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:37.640 just gone. And I never understood why Pizza Hut existed 413 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.480 in the Northeast, because we had better pizza everywhere. Pizza 414 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:46.359 Hut was like pointless to me, you know, it was like, 415 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:48.279 why are you going to buy that. It's me it 416 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.119 costs more. I mean they had nicer restaurants, Like they 417 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:54.759 had nicer booths than a lot of the you know, Itza. 418 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:56.839 Used to have the best day and lunch bufe though, 419 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:01.640 so the money to her family is great, I'll tell you. 420 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.720 Yeah, like pizza is. 421 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.319 I never saw this buffet. I think Chris is the 422 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:09.799 only person that ever mentioned it to me till you 423 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:12.799 just mentioned it now, the Pizza Hut buffet. I never 424 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:13.200 saw that. 425 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:19.240 Oh yeah, man, yeah, two thousand and five. Like I 426 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.519 would go to the Pizza Hut buffet and literally it 427 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.799 was like nine dollars, like with the tip included, and 428 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.440 you can pretty much, you know, get your fix. And 429 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.519 it was it was pretty good. And I know people 430 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:35.920 will you know, look down on me for you know, 431 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.920 you know, being like maybe that was you know, like 432 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.799 the poor the poor person's buffet, but it was serviceable 433 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.359 and it was pretty good. In my opinion. 434 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:53.200 Pizza buffets got me my wife in college. 435 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.480 Dude, listen, I was more than happy to you know, 436 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.519 what place I loved for buffet was the They called 437 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.200 it the Chot And I don't know where that restaurant 438 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.240 came from, but there was a couple of them in Jersey, 439 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.119 and they were the first place I ever saw with 440 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.359 like all you could eat, like you know, shrimp, cocktail, shrimps. 441 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.079 They weren't like the biggest shrimp, but they weren't the 442 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:16.240 smallest shrimp. But you had that and a few other 443 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.359 things on there, like salad bar, so you could get 444 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.559 like just the salad bar and eat all you want. 445 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:25.359 And that to me was the best. 446 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.680 So I'll be honest with you, that's like red Lobster. 447 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:30.960 I will take I will. 448 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.519 You know, take credit for putting them in the bankruptcy 449 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.119 because when they had shrimp Fest going, it was so bad. 450 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.079 I'm the manager of the one there in Hickory. 451 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:42.440 He wad come in the door with my wife and 452 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:43.920 he'd sit there and go, you know what, I'd do 453 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.119 better to hand both of y'all fifty bucks and send 454 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.039 you somewhere else because we would kill. 455 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.319 Them tony bucks. All the shrimp you could eat. Then, 456 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.240 I eat so much shrimp scampy, you could have squeezed. 457 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:55.839 The garlic butter out of me. 458 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:56.599 When I got home. 459 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.000 Wow, Wow, you know what's funny is I'm looking up 460 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:01.880 bread lobster because I was thinking to myself. Didn't they 461 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.559 didn't they go out of business completely, but apparently now no. 462 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.400 They they filed Chapter eleven, came out of it, and 463 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.359 I've seen ads now on they're running ads back in 464 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:11.839 this area. 465 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.319 I've always loved red lobster. 466 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.759 Yeah, I'm looking at this thing. They've got like a 467 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:20.559 order ahead menu, which is really weird for my area, 468 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.799 Like you got to order ahead, okay, and they've got this. 469 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:28.559 Yeah they got deals though, they got but they almost 470 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.559 put it, didn't. They almost put themselves out of business 471 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:32.680 with was it a crab legs or was it trip? 472 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.480 Well, they would have Crabfest and then they'd have lobster Fest, 473 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.240 and then they'd have shrimp Fest, so one time during 474 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.519 the year. Shrimp Fest was usually twice a year. It 475 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:44.759 was all you could eat for a certain amount. You 476 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.240 go in there and spend you know, twenty bucks a person, 477 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.440 and hell, you'd end up eating seventy five dollars for seafood. 478 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.400 I've kept them going, man. They finally got to me 479 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.880 and said, well, you have to order. We'd like it 480 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.160 if you'd order two orders at a time, just to 481 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:01.960 make it eat here on our chefs. And it's like, okay, 482 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.319 you'd be halfway through your first order and say, all right, 483 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:08.039 two more, bring them out, let's go. You know, they 484 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.400 walked up with the you know, the Cheddar bay biscuits. 485 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.559 It's like, honey, put those in your purse. That's filler. 486 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:14.319 We're not fucking with them. We're here to eat shrimp. 487 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:16.640 Oh, but you've got to eat a cheddar baby biscuit. 488 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:18.160 If you're a Red LOFs. You got at least. 489 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.519 Although I have to commend them though, they had the 490 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:27.799 coldest pewter I think they were pewter bowls for their salad. 491 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.359 It was so cold that I would have to ask 492 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.200 them for a room temperature bowl. 493 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:35.240 It hurt my teeth so bad. 494 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:37.279 Wow that cold. 495 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.799 Wow Wow. See. 496 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.559 Red Lobster was another place I was happy to I accidentally, 497 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.039 it was so funny. I accidentally gave out the weirdest 498 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.720 tip ever had a red Lobster. When I was taking 499 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.279 a girl out on a date in high school, I 500 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.440 accidentally I separated my money into two piles, and I 501 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.559 had a tip amount, and I had the check amount, 502 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:01.160 and I gave the tip. I gave the check amount 503 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:05.000 to the to the waitress as a tip, so she 504 00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.279 got a hundred. She got one hundred percent tip. 505 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:12.519 There was a score for her. 506 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.559 Yeah, no, that was listen, you know. And I was 507 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.519 like sitting there, like, no, I don't care, order what 508 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:19.920 you want, and like, you know, we ordered the biggest 509 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.279 meals we could. So, I mean we each ordered like, say, 510 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.359 thirty dollars meals. This is a nineteen like nineteen ninety, right, 511 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.039 so we ordered, you know, the biggest meals we could. Yeah, sure, 512 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.759 get appetite. I don't care getting extra this whatever, like 513 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.519 one hundred dollars bill and I had put it aside 514 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.440 where I'm like, well, that's pretty easy if I give 515 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.680 her twenty five and I give okay, So I pay 516 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:41.799 the bill with one hundred and then I give her 517 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.240 twenty five. I'm good. I go and walk up to 518 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.880 pay the bill, and I realized I've still got the 519 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:47.599 twenty five in my pocket, and I gave her the 520 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:52.200 hundred and I went, oh boy, and she's like the 521 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.559 girl I was with was like, are you gonna go 522 00:26:53.599 --> 00:27:01.640 get it back? And I'm like no, it's just. 523 00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:04.920 The case things didn't work out with the day, right exactly. 524 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:06.039 The waitress go back. 525 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:13.279 I'll go back and see the waitress later and be like, hey, honey, listen, Yeah. 526 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:16.480 Now, did you guys ever get into long John Silbers. 527 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.599 See, I only ever saw one of those in Jersey. 528 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:20.920 Did you have those where you were at? 529 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:21.799 We? 530 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.680 We had them in h New England. 531 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.839 I know, I know you had them in New England, 532 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.200 but I only ever saw one in Jersey. 533 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:31.759 I think we had one in Hicky and I want 534 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:34.640 to see there was definitely want a couple in Charlotte, Okay. 535 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.240 And then I'm trying to think anywhere else I've lived. 536 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.839 I think there was one in Greenville for a while. 537 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.759 Maybe wrong about that Greenville, but they were more fast 538 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.400 food seafood than you know, sit down like you would 539 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:52.759 have read lobster or something. 540 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:53.279 You know. 541 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.599 It was almost like a sonic Yeah, well you know they. 542 00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.039 They were the first ones come out with like popcorn, 543 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.599 shrimp and stuff from it, you know, for lunch. It 544 00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.359 was quick to pop in there. It was in a 545 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.880 In fact, it was at the Walmart I think in Hickory. 546 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.519 See there in and get lunch on thirty minutes and 547 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:11.480 still have time to go do something. 548 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.400 The one town I lived in, uh in uh is 549 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:19.519 for Cood River. There was a combination Kenny Rogers Roasters. 550 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.960 I'm not kidding. By the way, Nathan's hot Dogs and 551 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.880 Long John Silvers in one building. Okay, that was like 552 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:32.079 this one stop shop for don't I don't know who 553 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.319 decided to put these three together, but it was the 554 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.720 weirdest thing because it was like the three most unpopular 555 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.519 fast food joints decided to unify in the one building 556 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.119 in this one town. And I'm like, so that that's 557 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.200 the only place I saw the Long John Silvers. And 558 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:52.319 then after a while it became an Arthur Treachery I 559 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:52.759 heard of that. 560 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:53.480 Wow. 561 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.799 Yeah, Arthur Treacher was like basically, I think like a 562 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.039 Long John Silvers pretty much. I mean, they probably didn't 563 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.200 even have to change much, but the signage, you know, 564 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.759 and it was like it was like the same thing. 565 00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:09.400 And Nathan, Yeah it was weird. 566 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:16.119 And Arthur True or Gary Kleaner Fosters. 567 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:14.839 The same thing. 568 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.119 Yeah, okay, I never saw that. Well we all have 569 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:19.799 you ever? 570 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.880 Did you have shones like around there? You know, the 571 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.200 Andy Griffiths restaurant shoes? 572 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.759 But down south, you know, the only place I've seen 573 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.880 shoes is on Rick and Morty. I've never seen a show. 574 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.440 Yeah, did you know that as of. 575 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:41.359 Last year. In April, there's only two author treachers left 576 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.079 in the US. 577 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.039 No, I didn't see. There you go. 578 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.960 There's some chips. 579 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.519 Yeah, named that for some British guy. Okay, I think 580 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.559 I've seen that logo. 581 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:54.519 He was like an actor or something, right, Yeah, I have. 582 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.720 No idea why to hell you know, fish and chips 583 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:57.920 except the English. 584 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.680 There's two of them, and that's U Northeastern Northeast Ohio. 585 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:07.119 There you go. But like I said, it's really weird 586 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.759 to watch, like, you know, after a while, like every 587 00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.480 town ends up with a McDonald's and a Burger King, 588 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.400 you know what I mean. But these other things that 589 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.799 have gone on, it's it's like weird switching. And I 590 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:20.119 was trying to tell you, I don't know, did I 591 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:23.160 mention this already that I read somewhere that that circle 592 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.079 K was trying to buy seven eleven out which way. 593 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.559 You mean, it's going to be tough because seven eleven 594 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.039 just fought Speedway last year or so or a year 595 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.160 and a half ago. So it's gonna be a tough 596 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.759 acquisition to buy seven eleven. 597 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.160 I don't know, you know, it depends on how it 598 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.799 works out, because you know, much like with the weird 599 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.720 thing that went on with the fast food restaurants. Like 600 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.200 a few years back, they had this thing where it 601 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.200 was like Coke and Pepsi were backing different restaurants, and 602 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.160 so that was the competition for a little bit. Like 603 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.079 there's a reason why you get a Dorito's Loco taco 604 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.680 at you know, Taco Bell, right, because they're in bed 605 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.400 with the Pepsi people, who are also in bed with 606 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.240 the Dorito people. It's all the same company. So yeah, 607 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.319 you know that's why you get your your Baja Blast 608 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.640 used to only be available at what do you call it? 609 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:18.839 At Taco Bill right, Yeah, yeah, I remember that because 610 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.000 Mountain is a Pepsi product. But anyway, why are we 611 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:22.839 into this whole la? 612 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.359 I don't know how we got into this, right, I 613 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.680 brought a pizza hut in all these like defunt places. 614 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.799 But it's fun to think about Friendly's. 615 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.119 There was another one in the northeast that's almost gone. 616 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:38.680 Now, Oh that's too bad. 617 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.279 I did not know this, but Circle K is actually 618 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:47.720 owned by Canadian company. Yeah. They started in Texas. Yeah, 619 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:51.160 started in Texas. They're headquartered in Tempe, Arizona. They're owned 620 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:56.079 by Alimentation Couche tard Inc. Based in the volt Quebec. 621 00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:57.279 Okay. 622 00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.160 They were founded in nineteen fifty one. 623 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.799 Wow, Like I said, the first time I ever heard 624 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:04.720 of them. They were in that Bill and Ted movie, right, 625 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.920 and they were in what was it, San Dimas, California? Right, 626 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.359 wasn't it the Uh yeah it was yeah, And I'm like, 627 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.720 so what the hell is the circle? Okay? Like I said, 628 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.160 I thought they made it up, but it turned out 629 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.640 it was a real place, you know where. 630 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.920 They brought it back for the third movie too, Like 631 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.640 the third movie, like during the pandemic that came out 632 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.640 like kind of like they brought okay back in the 633 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.480 parking lot you know. 634 00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.960 Oh yeah, Bill and Ted die or something, right, they 635 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:34.400 like absolutely get killed. 636 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.960 No, it was like they're they were trying to do 637 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.880 a tnaciously where like they created the best song on 638 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.079 the planet or whatever. 639 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:47.319 Yeah okay, okay, yeah, No, I read something about this 640 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:49.920 like it turns out it's their kids that do the 641 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.839 great music or whatever. Yeah. 642 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:55.279 Yeah, it was horrible. 643 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.319 Yeah, I give it a shot. But I. 644 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:03.160 Did not know this. Seven eleven is actually owned by 645 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:07.440 a holding company in Japan, and that's why they do 646 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.200 so well in Japan. They've got it's like it's like 647 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.640 seven eleven. Japan bought the American issue of it. It 648 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.440 started in Dallas. Well that was years ago. Yeah, I'm 649 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:20.480 I'm sorry. 650 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:22.960 Well that was so and I know that that was 651 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.319 Southland Corporation. And that was the interesting thing about Jesse Curry, 652 00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.079 who was the chief of police in Dallas at the 653 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.400 time of the Kennedy assassination. He wound up working security 654 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.240 for Southland Corporation when he retired from the police force. 655 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.200 And that's why his book was only available in seven elevens. 656 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.000 That's why he were able his book, the first one 657 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:42.720 he put out. 658 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.160 Ye, now that you mentioned it. 659 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.319 My parents bought it at a seven eleven in New Orleans. 660 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.720 Because that's the only place they could buy it, and 661 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.079 that was the only place that sold it. 662 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.599 Yeah, and I got a great slushy at the seven 663 00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:02.000 eleven down the street from Jilly Plaza. 664 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:04.880 That'll be one hundred years old in two years. 665 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.079 Yeah, b Pete and I had to take a long 666 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.519 walk around to go to a seven eleven in Dallas, 667 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.039 and we were staying at that ridiculous hotel. When we 668 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:18.159 went to Dallas, we were at the Artsy Hotels. The 669 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:20.960 hotel with the paint brushes in a frame on the 670 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.039 ceiling that place. But for some reason, we had to 671 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:25.960 walk like two miles to get to a place that 672 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.199 was a quarter mile away because everything was fenced off 673 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:30.639 or something. Right, Yeah, I. 674 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.440 Could have hit it with a good tea shot from 675 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.239 the from the front of the hotel, put it really good. 676 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.719 You know, tea shot with a baseball. Yeah, I'd put 677 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.800 it through through the roof. But it just kills me. 678 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:42.159 I fall. 679 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.079 We had to walk around to get to the damn thing. 680 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.800 Yeah, it's thirty minute walk at least. 681 00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.679 That was crazy. He was like, look, I'm hungry. The 682 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.599 hotel has got nothing, and I don't want to give 683 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.000 him any money. Anyway, Where's there's got to be a comedian. 684 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.039 It's there near here. Yeah, it's seven to eleven, like 685 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:03.039 quarter mile away. 686 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.599 Oh great, and that's probably the one I was at. 687 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.400 Oh yeah, yeah, Well, I don't think it was new. 688 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.079 When I was in Dallas like three years ago or 689 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.920 whatever it was. I literally had to I had to 690 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.039 park my car in the Walmart parking lot like two 691 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:21.800 miles away. 692 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:23.400 See I remember that. 693 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:27.639 Okay, there was one that was near what what is 694 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.440 the name of that hotel. You know, they used to 695 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.760 hold the conferences at like this much nicer hotel and 696 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.480 now were The new place there they're into now is 697 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.519 much better and I'm looking forward to going back there. 698 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.119 It's got a whole mall inside of it. What sucks 699 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.039 is they close it over the weekend, so it's not 700 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.760 really that helpful for us. But it's not as close 701 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.880 to Dealey Plaza as the one that was right down 702 00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:01.360 the street from. Two things interesting, the cable cio and 703 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.280 the Greyhound bus terminal are right there, and there's a 704 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.159 seven eleven like on the block over from the hotel 705 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.960 that I stayed at. I know that because that's where 706 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.119 I was going like in between because I needed cigarettes. 707 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.440 Somehow my cigarettes got lost. I had to run into there, 708 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.360 and it was only a block away from where they 709 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:26.840 had the twenty seventeen Lancer conference. So what was the hotel? 710 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:27.840 I can't even think of it. 711 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.559 Anyway, I couldn't afford any of the hotels or motels 712 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:37.119 that were in the area. And I knew that if 713 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.280 I parked at the Walmart parking lot, people wouldn't you know, 714 00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.159 the cops wouldn't be mess with me or whatever. 715 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.519 Yeah, yeah, Well, I've only been able to split the 716 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.119 cost of a room once, so honestly, otherwise, the only 717 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.920 time I've been there is when somebody else is paid 718 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:56.440 for my room. I can't, right, right, I can't do it. 719 00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.760 It's it's expensive, man. And plus they put a they 720 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.800 put like a tourist tax on everything too. 721 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.159 So yeah, yeah, I know it was. 722 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.280 And I think Robert Rodin was out. He was out 723 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.920 in front of the pergola or whatever you want to 724 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.400 call it. You know, he's trying to hawk his his 725 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:23.519 book or his DVD's or whatever. And I really wish 726 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.400 I had the money to buy whatever he was hawking 727 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.639 at the time, but I just couldn't. 728 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.360 Yeah, I understand this past year he was inside with us, 729 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.480 but I think everything he had he was charging one 730 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:42.599 hundred bucks for, you know. Yeah, yeah, so you know, 731 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.800 it just was what it was. And meanwhile, I don't 732 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.519 know how many he sold, but it couldn't have been 733 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:49.719 that many, because I mean, we weren't. It was not 734 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.079 a good year for merchandise last year. I'll tell you that. 735 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.159 I mean, did you notice there, you. 736 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:01.280 Know, the the perch, the so called perch the Zuppruter 737 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:06.400 was on with his secretary or whatever. Did you notice 738 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:07.760 that they removed that? 739 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:10.159 No, that wasn't removed. That was there. 740 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:13.239 I was there last year. 741 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.559 Yeah, it was there last year. 742 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.719 You know. I thought it was removed when I was 743 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:21.159 there like three years ago. 744 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.360 See, I heard that story from somebody else, and like 745 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.679 I asked somebody who was in the area to check, 746 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.880 and they said, no, it's still there. I said, okay, 747 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.679 but I've been back there twice since the first time 748 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.400 I heard that, and each time it's there. I mean, 749 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.199 if they took it out, they put it back, because 750 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.000 when I was there. 751 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.760 Yeah, I can't explain it. Yeah, I curseworn it was gone. Yeah, 752 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.679 because I wanted to film something with my cell phone 753 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.039 and it wasn't there. So it's kind of goofy that 754 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.559 they would put it back. Or maybe I don't know, 755 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:01.639 like maybe someone slipped me some psychedelics that I was 756 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:02.320 aware of. 757 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:03.559 Well, did you did. 758 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.039 You see the did you see the plaque that described 759 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.280 because there's a like a plaque there that explained Sabruter 760 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.159 stood here and this and that. Did you see that? Yeah, okay, 761 00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:13.960 I did see that. 762 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.400 Yeah, that should be. 763 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.119 Right by the one of two pedestals that looked kind 764 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.079 of the same and right there should be his pedestal. 765 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.239 But every time I've been there, it's been there. Despite 766 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.400 the fact that that what was it last year we 767 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.639 had q A non stop traffic on Elm Street for 768 00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:39.239 a minute, I still can't explain that that was the 769 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.760 weirdest thing. They all just got together and held their 770 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.159 hands and stopped traffic like right at the moment of 771 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.599 silence that was going on. 772 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.760 Well, shucka like back in the day, like do you 773 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.480 remember in your research do you remember hearing all the 774 00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:03.000 stories about how Villas Plazo was basically people were taking 775 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.519 out like the bullet fragments like with tippet and everything 776 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:11.000 in the curb and the whole thing with the manhole 777 00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:15.199 cover or whatever like in the replacing the sign. 778 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:16.360 Do you remember all that. 779 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.320 Stuff or well, I know this a bunch of things 780 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.199 in Dealey Plaza people just like took as souvenirs. And 781 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:24.800 for a little while there was a bit of a 782 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.000 menace where people were taking chips off of the book 783 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.679 depository building too. You can still find them floating on 784 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:33.320 the internet. People will actually sell you a piece of 785 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:38.639 the book depository building and they took almost all the 786 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.840 boards off of the picket fence. None of those are 787 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.960 original at this point. I mean, there might be a 788 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.599 handful of them that are, but realistically, the people took 789 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.599 most of those boards home. People were taking all kinds 790 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.960 of things from there, you know, before they turned it 791 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.639 into like a park area. People just did what they wanted. 792 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.400 I've never heard of anybody taking the manhole cover away, 793 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.119 but I heard about the sign being moved. I heard 794 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.519 all these different things. I don't know what to make 795 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.679 of all of it exactly, you know, because I'm sorry. Yeah, 796 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:15.159 trivia question time surveyors. What was the pergola on. 797 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.000 The grass and knole? Who was it named after? 798 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.960 Oh man, I should know this too. 799 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:23.960 I'll give you a honor. Starts with the bea. 800 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.360 No, I don't know. I knew this. 801 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:38.239 I named after John Neely Bryan, who was a lawyer. Yeah, 802 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.039 uh in Dallas. 803 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:40.920 And fact his. 804 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.559 Is that his log cabin Yeah, replicause of John Neely 805 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:53.920 Brian's cabin Founder's Plaza, Dallas, Texas. So he uh, just 806 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:55.800 a little bit of trivia fling out there. Everybody talks 807 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.519 about the portal of it. Well, nobody ever says. 808 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:03.239 That Brian ever heard BPTE have you ever heard the 809 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:11.119 story about the glass being taken out of the sixth 810 00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.760 floor the book compository. 811 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.840 The window was enough so good? 812 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.559 Who had it? Allegedly, Bird I think had the whole windows. 813 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, whole thing was for me. 814 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.320 Yeah. 815 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.239 Yeah, no, I always sound that to be very strange. 816 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:34.519 Well maybe it's a stranger at all, but like, yeah, no, 817 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.639 I I heard it. It was almost like a like 818 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:41.559 a trophy kind of thing. I know that may be 819 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.800 controversial to say. 820 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.159 But yeah no, some people have said that, and some 821 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.320 people have said that. I I don't know how to 822 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.039 you know, how to respond to that except to say 823 00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.920 that like a lot of pieces of that plaza were 824 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.440 removed by different people for different reasons, and that guy 825 00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.840 owned the building, so there was no detection of it, 826 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.239 and it was just a historical spot that he could 827 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.199 do what he wanted with because he owned it. It's 828 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.239 even earlier, like when you watch the JFK movie, right, 829 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.440 and they're they're sitting there and they're supposed to be 830 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.480 on the sixth floor. They're not on the sixth floor. 831 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.519 I think they're on the fifth floor, the floor below him. 832 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.000 And it's just this whole weird thing because at that 833 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.559 time in ninety one, they were starting, uh to like 834 00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:30.320 you know, put it back together, uh, to actually create 835 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.679 the Sixth Floor Museum, which would come later. I forget when. 836 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:34.960 I guess should look up when that was founded, actually, 837 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.760 because I bet you that would explain some of that. 838 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.199 I think some of the production budget for Oliver stones 839 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:48.239 movie like went towards restoring the upper upper floor. Like 840 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:49.559 I could be wrong, but. 841 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.920 Well, I know they paid to restore like the grounds 842 00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.679 a bit and like some of the uh, some of 843 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.320 the you know, the rubbery and that kind of stuff. 844 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.960 I know they did that. Yeah, when was the Sixth 845 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.920 Floor Museum founded? I'm going to find that out. 846 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.880 I wouldn't be surprised if it was nineteen ninety one, 847 00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.239 around the release. 848 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.159 Of the movie. 849 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.000 That could be wrong. I'm probably wrong, but. 850 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:21.239 That's a good question. 851 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:25.400 Because up until that point, no one was really like, 852 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:31.159 besides you know, hardcore researchers, no one was really that 853 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.880 invested in the JFK assassination at the time. Right, because 854 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.280 when Oliver Stone's movie came out, it kind of reinvigorated 855 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:44.559 the public nineteen eighty interest. 856 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.920 And February twenty of nineteen eighty nine, when it was established, right, but. 857 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.400 They didn't reopen it for a while because they started 858 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.199 the refurbishment. But that that whole thing, that's part of 859 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.760 it though, because Stone did put some money into it, 860 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.400 into the plaza to have it sort of you know, 861 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.840 put back the way it was historically as best they 862 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:11.239 could tell. And they were doing that with like Groden's photographs, 863 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:12.000 you know. 864 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.280 Going, okay, now, the museum. 865 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.800 The museum actually opened President's State February twenty and nineteen 866 00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:19.440 eighty nine. 867 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.960 Well it says it was founded, which was President's Day. 868 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.960 It opened as a museum to chronicle the assassination of 869 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.239 the museum. I don't think they were done with it yet. 870 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:29.239 Let me see. 871 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.840 Oh no, I'm sure they've been doing stuff to it 872 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.920 since then. Yeah, but I mean they actually opened up. 873 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.039 So that's about like approximately like two and a half 874 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:48.840 years maybe before the release of the film. It makes sense. 875 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.119 Something like that, like when they were filming it would 876 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.920 have been when the money when they couldn't have money 877 00:45:52.920 --> 00:46:01.159 into it, Yeah, exactly. So yeah, JFK. I'm pretty sure 878 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.719 it was filmed mostly in nineteen ninety but let me 879 00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:09.360 see here, film from April from April fifteenth to July 880 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:14.480 thirty first, nineteen ninety one. Okay, and it was released 881 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:18.519 in nineteen ninety one. All right, I'm a little off. 882 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:22.280 There were they still filming in nineteen ninety one, because 883 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.280 I thought they would have had a final cut by 884 00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:26.960 early nineteen ninety one. 885 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:28.320 No, it's gotty wrong. 886 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.039 No, it says, well, I'm just reading what it says. 887 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.960 According to this, the movie JFK, directed by Oliver Stone, 888 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.000 was filmed from April fifteenth to July thirty first, nineteen 889 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:37.440 ninety one. 890 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.559 Really, that's what it says. 891 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.079 Wow, okay, all right, Well, and. 892 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:46.639 It was released later on that year. 893 00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:54.199 Okay, Yeah, No, I always had the assumption that JFK 894 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.360 was released like in the fall. 895 00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.039 Of nineteen ninety one, but. 896 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.119 It was a Christmas movie that was released December twentieth. 897 00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:05.559 There you go. And I'm looking at you know, the 898 00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.119 different places where they filmed and when they did it, 899 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:14.199 and Dealey Plaza they filmed. Let's see, I'll see. 900 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:15.559 Budget was forty million. 901 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.360 He took in two hundred and five point four million 902 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:19.159 at the box office. 903 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.159 Yeah, they filmed, Okay, they filmed in Washington, d C. Briefly, 904 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.719 they filmed in Fort Worth, Texas, New Orleans, Louisiana, Arlington 905 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:31.400 National Cemetery Course and in Dealey Plaza. So there's the 906 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.760 filming locations and the filming dates. April fifteen, nineteen ninety 907 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:40.519 one to July thirty, first, nineteen that's pretty quick bit 908 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.599 of production there for yeah, as much as he. 909 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.280 Had, especially back in the day. 910 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.480 Well, I mean that's a lot to get done in 911 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.320 let's see, you know, fourth month to the seventh month, 912 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.480 three months really four months total, you know at most, 913 00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:58.000 because you're talking the middle of April, so you get 914 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.960 through April and then you go May, June, July. Yeah, 915 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:02.039 I mean it's only. 916 00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.800 Well, one of the reasons that they shot and that 917 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:06.599 they shot. 918 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.280 On such a heavy schedule was apparently when he wanted 919 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:14.199 to recreate the assassination in Daley Plaza, they had to 920 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.519 pay the Dallas City Council a huge lot of money 921 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.559 to hire the police, a move route, traffic and everything, 922 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.079 and he only had ten days to shoot all the footage. 923 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.559 So he just swarmed the place with cameras. 924 00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:27.199 He had. 925 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:33.599 Seven cameras and fourteen film stocks sitting there just to 926 00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:34.239 save time. 927 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.159 Plus, I know, he had to hire the duplicate limousine, 928 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.880 which was another cost and that guy used to charge 929 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:41.239 him low fifty thousand. 930 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:43.719 It cost fifty thousand just to put someone in the 931 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.559 window from which Oswald was supposed to have shot Kennedy. Yeah, 932 00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.320 because they only had certain hours, yep, they could only 933 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.800 see They were allowed to film at that location only 934 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.920 between certain hours with only five people on the floor 935 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:56.719 at one time. 936 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.840 So it was the camera crew, the actor and Oliver Stone. 937 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:10.360 And they also were utilizing different film stocks like eight milimeters, 938 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:15.440 sixteen millimeter, thirty two milimeter to get all these different 939 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.360 damage points. At the time too, you had to get 940 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:24.920 Gary Olman in there as Lee Harvey, right, and they 941 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.239 had to close off all at Elm Street, Main Street, Houston. 942 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.400 When you see but when you see Garrison on the 943 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.119 you know where he's saying he's on the sixth floor. 944 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.840 He's not on the sixth floor. He's on the fifth floor. 945 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:41.320 Because I remember that from the director's commentary which was 946 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.559 made contemporaneous with the film. It was like, oh, well, 947 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.760 why doesn't that And I knew it didn't look right 948 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.760 because there's a different shape to the windows, and I'm 949 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.760 sitting there like, why doesn't this look right to me? 950 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.559 I couldn't figure it out back then, and then I 951 00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:57.519 heard the director's commentary. He's like, because he's on the 952 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.400 fifth floor. That's why there's a minor difference. 953 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.760 You know, I did something. I did something I wasn't 954 00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:08.840 supposed to do when I when I visited Dallas, I 955 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:13.760 actually turned my my cell phone on and started videotaping 956 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:22.360 when because they prohibit you from videoing around the sniper's nest, 957 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:29.519 and I started videotaping anyway, I'm telling you, dude, like, 958 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.679 would that tree like I don't know, Like maybe I 959 00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.119 could be wrong, but would that tree in the way 960 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.159 and everything? He couldn't have made this? 961 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.679 You know, Well, I don't know. I could be wrong, 962 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.760 but I don't know. You know, I've been through this 963 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:48.960 a few different ways, and I got to tell you 964 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.000 I look at it, and when I look at the 965 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:56.239 the FBI recreation, which it gives you the best look 966 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.760 at what the foliage should have looked like. Then, uh, 967 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:02.920 you know, because it's only a couple of weeks after 968 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.400 when they did their recreation, their first one, which is 969 00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.119 on a silent film. You can get it at the 970 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:13.519 National Archives if you request it. It's I don't know, 971 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.320 I feel like I could make that shot with a 972 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.159 decent weapon. Now with a bad scope, then you have 973 00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:24.400 the concern about the iron sights. But it doesn't explain 974 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.039 all the shots. It still doesn't, you know, could he 975 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.599 have scored the back shot though I think he could have. 976 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.920 Well, he's gonna throw the man liquer carcane because originally 977 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.519 it was a German nauser. I still claim. I cling 978 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:48.480 to that that detail. People forget about that it wasn't 979 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:53.679 the weapon that they said it was like originally, you know. 980 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.039 Well, even weirder than that is there is a man 981 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:03.960 liquor on you know, carcano on the Alier film. But 982 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.599 I don't know, the sling doesn't look right. See, every 983 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.840 time I look at this thing, it makes me nuts 984 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.079 trying to figure out that weapon because every time I 985 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.800 turn around, whether it's you know, whether it's what's his 986 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.199 name carrying it through the hallway holding it up, or 987 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.920 it's you know, them supposedly finding it and Alier's filming 988 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.679 and throwing his film out the window. Uh, and all 989 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:30.079 that you're getting different weapons. And also it doesn't match 990 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.199 what he ordered, even if you assume that the that 991 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.800 the order form was his and you know, and he's 992 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.360 getting the uh, the the a high del you know, 993 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.360 stuff and everything else. That's not the weapon he ordered. 994 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.000 That's not what's in evidence, which is weird. 995 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.440 Wasn't there another wasn't there another weapon like on the 996 00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:54.119 roof of the building that was uh British, right or whatever. 997 00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.440 But he also found well they had that, they had 998 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.079 this the Endfield rifle was taken taking it. There was 999 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:05.119 a whole bunch of stuff going on because yeah, you 1000 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:09.079 got the Dallas Cinema Associates film, they show him taking 1001 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.400 a completely different rifle away from the school book depository. 1002 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:17.039 Nobody can explain that still because that doesn't even show 1003 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.360 upon the evidence sheet. And again, yeah, people said it 1004 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.800 was you know, okay, well maybe I meant it was 1005 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.840 that style rifle or whatever. The whole point is it 1006 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.679 says clearly on it that it's made in Italy. So 1007 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.320 I don't understand, you know, I don't understand most of 1008 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:41.280 what's going on. But also Roger Craig's not telling the 1009 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:45.440 truth because he's in the film. Really yeah, because he's 1010 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.800 in the film. This is what kills me about Roger 1011 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.320 Craig and people that support him, is he's in the 1012 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:54.360 Alier film. He's in the search of the book depository 1013 00:53:55.119 --> 00:54:00.159 and guess what, that's not a German rifle in that film. 1014 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.920 So he's standing a few Yeah, the Alia film, they 1015 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.639 just go on YouTube. Uh, Tom Aliego was Yeah, he's 1016 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:13.320 the one who filmed the search allegedly in the Uh 1017 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.519 you know, some people say, oh, it was recreated or 1018 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:18.239 this or that, but they sealed the book depository and 1019 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.599 searched it, right, you're aware that part of the story. 1020 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.760 So there is the TV the TV film. The TV 1021 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.199 cameraman is in there filming stuff. He throws his film 1022 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.559 out the window to get it down to the guys 1023 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.559 to bring it to the station, and they did show 1024 00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:36.880 part of it. But the whole Alia film, you take 1025 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.519 a look at it, that is it's it's the carcano, 1026 00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.679 but it's not the same carcano. I think that's in 1027 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:48.360 evidence one two. Craig is there and it's clearly not 1028 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.519 a German mouser. So you know, he can say whatever 1029 00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:53.320 he wants to say about what he saw, but you 1030 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.119 can see him in the film a few feet away. 1031 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.320 Yeah, I feel like dip shoot, I know, you know 1032 00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:02.320 I haven't seen that. 1033 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.400 And the other one, yeah, well another port you can 1034 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.079 see Craig on is I forget who's who actually caught it. 1035 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.280 But he does the search of the parking lot, you know, 1036 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.079 next to the book depository, between where the rail yard 1037 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.800 tower is and like where all those cars are part. 1038 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:24.320 He's searching through there, looking around. But he ends up 1039 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:28.320 in the book depository too, So he was there. 1040 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:31.880 Because he's the he's the guy that's always talking about 1041 00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.440 he saw Oswald like leaving in a. 1042 00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.360 Rambler, right, that's the other thing he says, Oh, I 1043 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.199 saw him run down the hill and get into a 1044 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:44.400 station wagon basically leave. And that doesn't that doesn't go 1045 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.480 along with the official story the bus ticket that that 1046 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:50.360 Oswald had in his pocket with a transfer for no reason. 1047 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.000 He got off of that because it got stuck in 1048 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:55.559 trap exposedly and then he takes the taxi and all that. 1049 00:55:56.280 --> 00:56:00.679 But that makes no sense if he ran across the grassy, no, 1050 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.719 and what got into a station wagon? You know? 1051 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:10.519 Okay, Yeah, because I'm going on what Steve Cameron was 1052 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:12.199 talking about like years ago. 1053 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.920 Yeah, no, no, I get it, I get it. It's 1054 00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.440 just that if you take Craig at face value, that's fine, 1055 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:21.079 but you gotta look at just look at the films 1056 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.559 he's in that's all I'm saying. And he's there, I'm 1057 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:25.239 gonna check it out. 1058 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.320 I haven't seen the films you're talking about. 1059 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:31.559 Yeah, look at the Alia. It's spelled A L y 1060 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.400 e A or something like that. I could look him 1061 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.480 up real fast, but that's the name of the photographer 1062 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.519 and it's generally referred to as the Alier film. But 1063 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:41.559 let me just make sure. 1064 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:50.159 Okay, don't want to check that out, Chuck, Chuck, just 1065 00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:53.239 out of curiosity, what is your thoughts on like the 1066 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.920 whole German Bowser thing. 1067 00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:00.159 Well, I think they took several people and several weapons 1068 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.639 into custody, but they don't want to cop to all 1069 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.719 of them. And the three the endfield is funny because 1070 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:10.159 that's probably what do you call it, uh buill Wesley 1071 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:14.960 Frasier's weapon, and they were they were telling him, Hey, 1072 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:17.440 you're screwed because you took this guy to work and 1073 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.840 you know we're gonna bust you too. 1074 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:23.920 On the roof right. 1075 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.440 Well, I don't know where they got it from, but 1076 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.119 they took his weapon, the endfield. 1077 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:32.440 Oh yeah, they he had to turn it in when 1078 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:34.440 he showed up at the police department. They wanted to 1079 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:35.519 see his rifle. 1080 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.719 Yeah, immediately they wanted to see his weapon, and that 1081 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:40.679 was the only one he had. I think that was 1082 00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.199 that was of that type, you know, a long gun. 1083 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.280 You want to be in his situation. They're trying to 1084 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.159 pin an accomplished wrap on you. 1085 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.199 Yeah, of course that's that. That's honestly, that's how I 1086 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:54.639 account for a lot of his changes in his story 1087 00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:55.280 and everything else. 1088 00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:58.039 THATSS well, I. 1089 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:02.559 Kind of would be. I mean, look, if you and I, 1090 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:05.400 you and I went to a city together, okay, and 1091 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.679 they arrested me and told you, hey, listen, I know 1092 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.280 you were driving this guy and he took a shot 1093 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:16.119 at Trump. We're gonna blame you. You're gonna be like, uh, 1094 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.039 I had nothing to do with it, and I don't 1095 00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:21.800 know what the hell you're talking about. And you know, 1096 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.760 I'm just saying I was just driving the guy. That's 1097 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.199 what you would say, and you'd be right. But they'll 1098 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.039 they'll they'll jam you up. W f A a TV reporter, 1099 00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:39.760 they describe him as Tom Aljay. I thought I always 1100 00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:41.880 thought it was Alia, but I could be. 1101 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:42.480 I don't know. 1102 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.079 I knew a guy in the military. He had the 1103 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:46.840 same last name. When we pronounced Olia. 1104 00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.559 You know, some people have the same last name, pronounce 1105 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:54.280 it different too. I mean, you know, I forget who 1106 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.760 who like was in the case. As a matter of fact, 1107 00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:58.360 there was a weird case of that where it was 1108 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.480 like people were, oh, I know what it was the 1109 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:07.719 FBI agent. Everybody had called him Siebert for years. Uh, 1110 00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.199 and it's cyber right, that's the way to actually pronounce 1111 00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:13.320 his name. And he would get irritated if he called 1112 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.599 him Siebert by the way, Sebert O'Neil, the two that 1113 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:22.360 were the FBI witnesses in the in the autopsy. But al, yeah, 1114 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.079 you spelled a L y e A. That's the way 1115 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:29.679 your friend's name was spelled. Yeah, I don't know. 1116 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.119 How do you tell you're talking about the FBI guy 1117 00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:36.519 that picked up a bullet from the lag and put 1118 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:38.119 it in his pocket. Heard that? 1119 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:44.280 Yeah, Well, and that's funny too because is Mark Oaks 1120 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.719 did a really good piece on that, And I don't 1121 00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.920 know if it's available on the internet because it was 1122 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:51.960 a VHS tape at one point, and I think it 1123 00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:53.639 might have made it to DVD, but I don't know 1124 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:57.559 if it's existed. After that, he did something called the 1125 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:02.159 Mystery FBI Man, and it's funny because we talked about 1126 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:06.119 Jesse Curry's book earlier. That's where he first got a 1127 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:09.000 notion about this guy picking up the bullets. He saw 1128 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.760 the photographs in Jesse Curry's book, Mark Oaks, and then 1129 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:15.719 he went and tried to track it down and wounded 1130 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.079 up confronting Gimberling and all this other stuff because he 1131 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.480 thought it was Robert Oh God, I can't remember the 1132 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.960 guy's name. But he showed him a picture. He said, 1133 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.079 is this the guy? And the guy kind of says yes, 1134 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:29.840 and then he gets pissed at him and meets him 1135 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.960 at some form somewhere and starts yelling at him, which 1136 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:36.800 which Mark recorded also and included on the on the 1137 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.840 on the VHS tape. But it was a great VHS tape. 1138 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.639 I really missed the fact that that might still be 1139 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:50.239 in my my Jersey uh storage, that tape. I hope 1140 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.280 it is. It was a great one. 1141 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.760 Those pictures originated in that newsletter. Who is the guy 1142 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.159 that was investigating it. 1143 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:03.920 Well, you're talking about newsletter, You're talking about Penn Jones newsletter. 1144 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:06.159 But it was the original. 1145 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:10.079 Those photographs were originally in there right now. 1146 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.239 They were originally taken by a local newspaper. There was 1147 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.719 a pair two photographers that work together and I can't 1148 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.519 remember their names now, but there were two photographers that 1149 01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.760 work together for a local newspaper and it wasn't the 1150 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.360 Morning News, and they took those pictures and if you checked, 1151 01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.079 I think Jesse Curry actually credits him with it in 1152 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.239 the book. But but nobody knows who this guy is 1153 01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:39.239 picking up this bullet is the point in Jesse Curry's book. 1154 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:41.880 And like I said, Oaks tracked it down and he 1155 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:44.079 had it down to somebody named Robert Something. 1156 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.920 I had the name at one point. I got to 1157 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:52.239 look back into where. 1158 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:59.239 Yeah, it's something real basic though. Yeah, let's see Mark, 1159 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.280 the Oaks prone figure Jacobs community know for. 1160 01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.960 Because I think the same FBI agent has some kind 1161 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:13.719 of device in his pocket that remember Hicks, Hicks was 1162 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:19.199 photographed having some kind of walkie talkie type thing. 1163 01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.159 I'm trying to look at. I'm trying to look up 1164 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:27.320 something about this right now. 1165 01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:31.000 Yeah, yeah, no, I yeah, it's all coming back to 1166 01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:39.480 me now. Yeah, I had the guy's name at one point. 1167 01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.679 It was around the time that I was doing research 1168 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:52.039 with Who's the guy Bob? Bob He used to produce 1169 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:52.599 this show. 1170 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:57.599 Bob Wilson, Bob Wilson. 1171 01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.599 See, I've removed him from my brain. 1172 01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:03.599 I can't even remember. 1173 01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:07.199 But it was around that time I was going back 1174 01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:12.719 and forth with him on Facebook and uh we, uh 1175 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:17.440 we we were talking about those photographs and uh not 1176 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:23.880 only was this guy named Hicks, he had some kind 1177 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:27.199 of like walkie talkie in his back pocket, which was 1178 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:34.360 you know, he was photographed, but also the dark complex 1179 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.159 complexion man or whatever. The guy that was standing next 1180 01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:42.199 to the umbrella guy, he had walkie TALKI two. 1181 01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:45.800 They were saying they saw two of him sticking out 1182 01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.880 of his uh yeah, out of his back pocket and whatever. 1183 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:50.360 Let's see. 1184 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.840 But the guy that picked up the bullet in the lawn, 1185 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.960 he had a walkie talkie too. I think in one 1186 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.639 of those photographs. 1187 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.440 Could be I'm looking at anyway, I'm looking at the clip. 1188 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.280 You know what's funny is I see a clip of 1189 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:09.119 Mark Oak's original video is up on Vince Palmyra's YouTube channel. 1190 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:13.280 But well, let me see if I can find out. Okay, 1191 01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:18.840 what do we got here? 1192 01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:19.679 Right? 1193 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.280 Okay, I just stopped. I was trying to play an 1194 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.440 audio there and you were talking, so I didn't understand 1195 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:29.159 any of what just happened. No, what you say? Good? 1196 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.639 No, I just said Vince PALMERA. He was like, he 1197 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.440 was the expert on the Secret Service detail, right. 1198 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:41.199 Yeah, he pretty much knows more about the Secret Service 1199 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:46.039 than pretty much anybody I can think of. Yeah, regard this. Yeah, 1200 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:46.920 let me see something. 1201 01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:50.800 Also, in a telephone interview with Deputy Sheriff oul man Ox, 1202 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:54.079 he told me that a bullet was picked up on 1203 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:57.480 the south side of Elm Street and reiterated the same 1204 01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:02.840 at dinner before our present at the JFK Assassination and 1205 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:07.519 Information Center in Dallas. This is a photo of Deputy 1206 01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:12.880 Sheriff Al Maddox standing behind Lieutenant Day on November twenty second, 1207 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.800 nineteen sixty three, and through his help, he put me 1208 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.000 in touch with a well known FBI agent who does 1209 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.039 not want his name mentioned, and who told me who 1210 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.960 this mystery man was. At this point, my friend and 1211 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:31.039 colleague Stan Surzon worked with me step first step in 1212 01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:34.480 locating this man, and we virtually acquired the. 1213 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.679 Information at the same time. 1214 01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:42.000 The name that the FBI agent gave me without hesitation 1215 01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:46.599 was Dallas Special Agent Robert at Barrett. 1216 01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.360 He had worked on several commission exhibits. 1217 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:54.400 Here you go, it's Barrett. That's who it was, Robert Barrett. Okay, 1218 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.079 that's who he said it was. And he goes through 1219 01:05:57.079 --> 01:05:59.480 a whole thing where he's trying to compare photographs, asking 1220 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:01.639 other FBA eye people all kinds of things in this 1221 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:06.360 UH presentation here. But I'm pretty satisfied. 1222 01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:09.480 Maddox right, no, no, no. 1223 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.920 Maddox, Deputy Maddox or the guy who was who retired. 1224 01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:16.840 I forget what he actually retired as. 1225 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:18.199 I'm getting the next of them. 1226 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:22.079 Okay, Yeah, Al Maddox was a nice guy, was one 1227 01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:25.159 of the easiest UH cops to talk to in the 1228 01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:30.679 nineties in Dallas UH and and was very cooperative with Mark. 1229 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:34.280 So they had actually done a presentation together at one 1230 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:37.599 of the ASQUE conferences back then. That's what he's talking 1231 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:41.280 about there, and I know that, and I also know 1232 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:45.199 that he would be helpful, like he actually probably gave 1233 01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.119 me about three four different police officers to get a 1234 01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:50.159 hold of that he still knew how to get a 1235 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:58.360 hold of, so and that was that was actually Yeah. 1236 01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.880 So Bart sit in the photograph where he's picking the 1237 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:02.960 bullet and the grass. 1238 01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:06.960 Well, that's that's the best that a bunch of people said, 1239 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:10.400 you know, that's who they thought it was, and including Gimbreling, 1240 01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.480 which is really funny because you know, Gimbling you know, 1241 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.320 the first report that was written on the assassination, right 1242 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:20.360 the first you know, was it three hundred pages or 1243 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:23.360 whatever was They often refer to it as the Gimbreling Report. 1244 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.880 So yeah, he was, Yeah, he was there at one 1245 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.639 of the like one of the original centers there where 1246 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:32.920 they did one of these you know, like presentations like 1247 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:35.880 before the because this is only like the twenty eighth 1248 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:41.599 or twenty ninth conference for Lancer, so before that they 1249 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.159 had other ones and Gimberling was at one of those, 1250 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.480 and he doesn't sit down with him in videotapes It 1251 01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:52.480 here too, which I think I could probably find it 1252 01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:53.920 by surch real fast, here we go. 1253 01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:58.960 Partner I had no period of time after the assassination 1254 01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:01.840 was a man by the name of U. E. R. 1255 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:07.639 Buddy Walters, and they had some photographs of UH on 1256 01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:11.039 patrolman Joe Foster over on the south side of Elm 1257 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.719 Street that UH went in order to investigate that area 1258 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.920 to see if you could see anything, and eventually uh 1259 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.319 al Mannox's partner, Buddy Walters had come over there and 1260 01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:26.880 another man had uh joined them to take part in 1261 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:31.439 the investigation. And a lot of people have wondered who 1262 01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:35.239 the person was, not necessarily uh what they were doing, 1263 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:38.600 cause it uh has been written that they were investigating 1264 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:43.159 the area and performing their duties. But I wanted to 1265 01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:48.560 show you this uh picture and through tracing it, UH 1266 01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:52.199 I had found out who the person was and see 1267 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:56.079 if you could look at that please. And the man 1268 01:08:56.119 --> 01:08:59.760 that I contacted UH was the man that also worked 1269 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:03.840 for the FBI in nineteen sixty three and since at 1270 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:06.520 a period of time after that had moved or transferred. 1271 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:14.560 And the man that I contacted said that it was 1272 01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:19.439 him that was a picture of him, and that person's 1273 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:21.720 name was Robert Barrett. 1274 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:24.960 And I'd just like to show you this as a confirmation. 1275 01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:28.600 And he sent me, And I was wondering if you 1276 01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:33.039 had any information or an opinion as to whether that 1277 01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:37.640 might possibly resemble mister Barrett, and if you knew him personally. 1278 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:42.159 This is not the first time I've seen this picture. 1279 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:48.319 Bob Barrett and Ivan Lee were two agents that worked 1280 01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:52.880 closely together, and we're responsible for a section of the 1281 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:57.159 first report I wrote in November thirtieth of sixty three. 1282 01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:03.079 Which was about a multiple page section containing photographs of 1283 01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:08.279 all the various locations of Ozma's escape route front. 1284 01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:10.239 All right, Now, what he handed him is a picture 1285 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.520 like you were talking about, which which had the guy 1286 01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:16.000 reaching down and seeming to pick something up out of 1287 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:20.119 the grass. Yeah, and he handed him that and a 1288 01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:23.640 picture of Barrett, and then a note from Barrett saying yeah, 1289 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:31.119 that's me. Okay. Once once he did this contact with Gimberling, 1290 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.760 though then Barrett wrote wrote him again angrily saying, hey, 1291 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:35.319 that's not me. 1292 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:42.600 So really yeah, yeah, it was really. 1293 01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.840 Funny and so oaks that That's why he put out 1294 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.439 the videotape where it was like here, watch all this happen, 1295 01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:52.319 just me trying to figure out who's in one photograph. 1296 01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:52.640 You know. 1297 01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:56.199 It was just like I found it extremely fascinating. And 1298 01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.439 this is again, this is Gimberling, who I think is dead. Now. 1299 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:07.520 Uh, let's see, did you ever meet Barrett Barrett? NOA, 1300 01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:12.760 I met uh two different FBI agents with the name Kennedy, 1301 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:16.279 and I never did met Kimberling. 1302 01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:21.840 But the most interesting person I think I ever met 1303 01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:26.319 would would have to be I, come to think of 1304 01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:31.039 it was was. Wade was the most interesting person I 1305 01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:36.359 ever met on that whole trial. Wade was too much man. 1306 01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:39.479 Wade was too much and he told he told me 1307 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:42.880 the same story that he apparently told like everybody for 1308 01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:46.239 about thirty years. Uh. He loved telling the story about 1309 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:50.960 Jack Ruby, uh speaking out daring that press conference. I 1310 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:53.239 don't know when he started telling that story, but I 1311 01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:56.079 was one of the people he gave it to. I 1312 01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:59.119 gotta pig on that somewhere in my in my stuff 1313 01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:02.479 in Jersey. It's too funny. He's like, I want to 1314 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:04.119 tell you a story. You got to you gotta hear this. 1315 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:06.920 You had to just let him go because I was 1316 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:09.680 in his house and I was in his home office, 1317 01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:11.560 and it was just sort of like, Okay, what do 1318 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.000 you want to tell me about? And he tells me 1319 01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.800 the same exact story that he tells everybody about. You 1320 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.399 know who said that? I said, yeah, Jack Ruby, Oh 1321 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:24.840 you knew that. Yeah, I knew that. You know, I've 1322 01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:26.479 seen the film one hundred times, you know. 1323 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:32.399 So yeah, Chuck, you may have told people before, but 1324 01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:37.399 I've never heard your take on it. But Tom O'Neill, 1325 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:42.760 his book Chaos, the whole thing was Jolly West. What 1326 01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.800 is your take on that? I don't even know if 1327 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:47.119 you have a take on it. 1328 01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:47.520 But. 1329 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:53.720 I actually have. I have Tom O'Neill's work file on 1330 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:59.840 that book Chaos and Man, oh man, it's right there. 1331 01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:05.720 It's almost I'm how do you explain a guy who 1332 01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:10.079 was part of MK ultra okay in his own handwriting, 1333 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.960 by the way, he said it, several times O'Neill got 1334 01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:15.439 letters out of his papers from the from the universities. 1335 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.199 This guy was there. Jack Ruby goes crazy after he 1336 01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:26.279 meets with him alone. Yep, he goes and gets special 1337 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:29.800 quiet time with Charles Manson when he's in jail. He's 1338 01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:32.439 also working at He's also working at the hate Ashbury 1339 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.239 clinic that Manson was bringing all his girls to for 1340 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:40.479 vd GEE coincidence, coincidence, coincidence. Oh, by the way, he 1341 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:42.840 was somewhere near Sir Han Sir Hann for some reason. 1342 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:53.359 And Timothy McVeigh what I I don't Jolly West is 1343 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:55.159 a wild story in and of itself. 1344 01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:01.560 Carmine and I did a two point rby it would 1345 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:07.680 be a fair explanation because Ruby was basically completely nuts 1346 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:13.279 after he met with him, So timeline wise, either he 1347 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:15.399 did have some sort of brain damage, like you know, 1348 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:19.600 bell I was trying to say, or you know, or 1349 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:24.319 maybe he got dosed. I mean, I can't prove that, 1350 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.000 and that's the thing, you can't really prove it. But 1351 01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:30.279 it's weird to watch an MK ultra doctor walk in 1352 01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:34.800 and out of every celebrity murder case over like, you know, 1353 01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:40.279 a ten year time period, and magically weird stuff happens. 1354 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:42.399 You know. 1355 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:48.640 Well, he even had connections with who is the heiress, 1356 01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:54.439 the the rich heiress that the Liberation Army. 1357 01:14:55.319 --> 01:15:01.159 What's the name, Patty Hurst, pat h He had connections 1358 01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:01.880 with her toil. 1359 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:06.479 Yeah, right, And also there's a weird thing about cointelpro 1360 01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:10.920 and chaos and targeting the white Panthers and yeah, which 1361 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.159 by the way, would have probably qualified most of the 1362 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:15.319 murder victims at the at the teaatehouse. 1363 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:17.760 Yeah. 1364 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:21.319 Yeah, because Abigail Folger, everybody thinks of her as nothing, 1365 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:24.079 but you know, except she's the coffee you know, a 1366 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.600 coffee heiress. But no, it went further than that. She 1367 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:32.760 was also political activist. It's a whole crazy thing. And 1368 01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:36.119 O'Neill got as close as he spent twenty years on 1369 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.239 that damn thing. Do you know that. 1370 01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:44.439 Yeah, yeah, I tried to have I actually, when I 1371 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:48.279 was doing the show, would you get that thing? I try? 1372 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:53.079 I reached out to him and he was charging for interviews, 1373 01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:57.119 and at the time I was like, well, I really 1374 01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:01.239 can't pay for an interview. But I can understand why, 1375 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:06.119 like he was doing that, you know, because he basically 1376 01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:09.279 put like twenty plus years of his life into this 1377 01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:09.840 whole film. 1378 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.720 Yeah, I know, and believe me, I'd love to talk 1379 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.279 to the guy too, but I haven't been able to 1380 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:19.159 book him either, So yeah, I didn't. I didn't get a. 1381 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:24.720 Feature Stuttering John Stuttering John once like trial in books. 1382 01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:25.840 See now him I got for free. I don't know, 1383 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:27.319 you know, I just happened to get him when he 1384 01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:34.720 was putting out that book. Oh really, okay, yeah, I 1385 01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:36.319 got him when he put out what the hell was 1386 01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:37.840 the name of that book. I don't even remember what 1387 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.279 it was, but it was like, you know, his life 1388 01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:44.319 story and his struggle with stuttering and all that. Yeah, 1389 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:46.880 I can't remember the name of the book. But I 1390 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:50.039 also thought it was interesting that he was mentoring kids 1391 01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:57.199 with stuttering problems too. Yeah, you know, while he's doing 1392 01:16:57.239 --> 01:17:00.000 his you know, after Howard Stern podcast and everything else. 1393 01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:07.600 Yeah, now like he all he does is trash Howard 1394 01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.239 now you know, yeah. 1395 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.279 Well you know, what are you gonna do? 1396 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:15.520 But anyway, Yeah, No, the Jolly west thing I always 1397 01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:20.439 thought was very interesting, And for anyone out there that 1398 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:25.600 doesn't know, I think Jolly West Stron helped him commit 1399 01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:30.680 suicide in two thousand, in nineteen, in ninety nine, and 1400 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:36.720 I think like Jolly West's wife ended up passing away 1401 01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:38.520 like not too long after that. 1402 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:44.680 I think he did die in ninety nine. I don't 1403 01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:46.159 remember the circumstances. 1404 01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:51.119 But let me say, well, Jolly west Son wrote a 1405 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:55.479 whole book about how he basedically he killed his father, 1406 01:17:56.920 --> 01:18:02.279 you know, right, let's see pretty sure that it's on 1407 01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:03.000 the record. 1408 01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:06.439 Yeah, it says here he died of a rapidly advancing 1409 01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:13.119 malignant tumor. But okay, nineteen twenty four to nineteen ninety nine. 1410 01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.880 Yeah, if you look deeper into it, I'm pretty sure 1411 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:21.600 he put out a book with like a Jack Tavorkian 1412 01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:24.960 kind of assisted suicide scenario. 1413 01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:30.960 You know, I don't know, because there is a whole 1414 01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:35.079 strange controversy about his collected works too. That's another thing. 1415 01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:38.079 But let's take a look at what his books are 1416 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:43.359 that are related to him. Let's see Alcoholism and Related Problems, 1417 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:51.560 a rare recording of Margaret's singer Yike's Explorations in Psychology 1418 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:57.600 of Emotions, The American Psychiatric Association Explorations in Psychology of Emotions, 1419 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.880 The Green Rebellion Notes on the Life and Times of 1420 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:07.279 American Hippies, Critical Issues, and Behavioral Medicine. Okay, well, I 1421 01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:11.119 don't know. Look, he is a weird, weird figure though, 1422 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:14.279 and definitely I'm very very convinced he was connected d M. 1423 01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:18.840 K Ultra and he shows up and just ends up 1424 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:21.560 with these private interviews with some high profile people that 1425 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:25.439 wind up doing some pretty crazy things afterwards. So you know, 1426 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:28.319 the stuttering John but was called easy for you to say, 1427 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:32.960 by the way, that was a book. But yeah, I 1428 01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:35.680 got him on during that. It was it was pretty cool. Actually, 1429 01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:40.359 I want to say Opperman at somehow uh putting me 1430 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:44.479 in touch with the right person, uh to get him, 1431 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:46.199 because I think had him on before. 1432 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:52.680 It was John like uh didy Gooy's whole leftist. I 1433 01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:54.720 guess I know he hates Tromp. 1434 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:59.359 And right now we spent most of our time honestly 1435 01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:02.880 talking about uttering and uh, and you know, and a 1436 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:06.159 little bit about like his time with Howard Stern a 1437 01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:08.119 little bit. But you know, what are you doing with 1438 01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.159 the podcast? Well you know, what did you put in 1439 01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:10.560 the book? 1440 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:10.840 Uh? 1441 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:12.800 What? You know? What kind of story are you telling here? 1442 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:15.199 You know? And like I said, talked about the man. 1443 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:17.159 I only had him for about, I don't know, thirty 1444 01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:18.000 thirty five minutes. 1445 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:22.600 I think he tried to charge you at all if 1446 01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:23.279 you don't want the. 1447 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:26.199 Well he didn't, he didn't. I didn't pay him. 1448 01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:30.000 He was apparently he's notorious for trying to charge people. 1449 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:33.079 No, I have not paid for an interview on my show. 1450 01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:38.720 No, I even know. That's cool, that's cool. 1451 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:42.600 I mean and I tried to book RFK Junior before, 1452 01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:47.439 you know, before he became what he is now. And uh, yeah, 1453 01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:50.920 that was that was a he wanted twenty five thousand. 1454 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:55.880 So really, yeah, that was that was his speaking thing. Wow, 1455 01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:59.359 you want RFK Junior to speak twenty five thousand? And 1456 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:04.039 John Barber will back me up on that, because he 1457 01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:05.199 invited him to that loss. 1458 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:10.079 He invited him to that Yeah, well, he invited him 1459 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:12.239 to that Las Vegas thing he did with Joan Mellon 1460 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:16.199 and uh or k Junior again twenty Yeah, sure, you 1461 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:17.560 want me to show up twenty five grand? 1462 01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:24.159 Wow? Okay, wow, you know probably was twenty five grand 1463 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:26.560 plus plus put me up in a hotel plus, you know, 1464 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.520 but no, right, you know, but I obviously wasn't gonna 1465 01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:32.960 put anybody up in hotel. 1466 01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:38.880 Anyway, barely put my shelf up into a hotel. 1467 01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:41.479 Yeah right, I can just keep the roof over over 1468 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:43.479 the heads over here, that's it. I mean, you know, 1469 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:48.239 I can't. I can't even go and visit my home 1470 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:50.159 state of Jersey. I can't make it up there, So 1471 01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:54.439 you know where am I going? And I certainly don't 1472 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:57.279 have twenty five g's for a speaking fee, for God's sake. 1473 01:21:57.359 --> 01:21:59.760 I mean, somebody else tried to charge me money to 1474 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.640 I can remember who else, but there was there was 1475 01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:05.399 actually like two or three other people I think that 1476 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.399 tried to charge me money to do a podcast interview. 1477 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:10.000 And I'm like, you're you're kidding, right? 1478 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:13.239 It was? 1479 01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:15.000 Was it Marina Oswald? 1480 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.439 Well, no, Marina. I can't get a hold of Marina now, 1481 01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:23.920 so I don't know what's going on. Yeah. I used 1482 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:28.760 to be able to and I cannot now, so I 1483 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:31.399 don't know what that means. I had heard at one 1484 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:33.720 point that she was so totally fed up that she 1485 01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:38.680 was done and talking to anybody. But I used to 1486 01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:39.439 be able to get a holder. 1487 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:46.800 Well, let's work on uh, I think uh Lee Harvey's kids, 1488 01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:51.560 they they're still open to doing interviews. 1489 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:52.560 Must work on that. 1490 01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:55.199 Yeah, it wasn't done. Wasn't Don Jeffries going to do that? 1491 01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.000 Yeah? He's in concept with them. Yeah that's why I'm 1492 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:01.359 so yeah. 1493 01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.399 Yeah, I mean yeah, I know. Hey, I'd be more 1494 01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:06.159 than happy to hear him get hold of or even 1495 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:11.479 Rachel or whoever you know, Yeah, would be interesting. 1496 01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:17.359 Anyways, listen, even gotten I got in contact with you know, 1497 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:22.399 you know the Patsy that time, never saw you know, Thomas, 1498 01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:23.279 the Arthur rally. 1499 01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:26.560 Okay, what about Chicago plot? 1500 01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:30.479 K Yeah, I found his sister. 1501 01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:35.880 Yeah mm hmm. So, uh, I'm. 1502 01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:40.560 Gonna I'm not gonna pest for her, but I'm gonna 1503 01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:43.560 continue trying to uh get that interview. 1504 01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.399 Well, I hope you don't hit the same Yeah, I 1505 01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:50.039 hope you don't hit the same wall I did. Because 1506 01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:52.960 I got a hold of somebody in his family at 1507 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.720 one point. I don't remember who it was, but it 1508 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:59.520 was so usy too. Somebody related, somebody related to him, 1509 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:04.479 why ago And I pretty much got told that like 1510 01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:08.640 they cared about him when he was you know, around, 1511 01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:12.760 but he was like a very difficult person and they 1512 01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:14.479 just don't even want to relive it, is what I 1513 01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:16.720 was told. So I don't know what she'll. 1514 01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:19.720 Be telling you, like like eight right, I think. 1515 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:23.159 Yeah, I mean I don't even know what he does. 1516 01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:25.279 You know, that would be another you gotta be looking 1517 01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:30.800 at You're asking me all these weird it's coming back 1518 01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:31.439 to me right. 1519 01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:36.840 Now as we're talking. Yeah, sorry, this is. 1520 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:38.760 Like the test I'm not prepared for. 1521 01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:43.159 You know, I took up the whole hour or two. 1522 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.680 I apologize one else that. 1523 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:48.800 You know, No, look, nobody else that's called in. I 1524 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.640 was gonna get ready to take a break. But but 1525 01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:55.600 other than that, nobody's called in. So it's fine. I 1526 01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:57.479 wanted to look at I want to look him up 1527 01:24:57.479 --> 01:25:00.399 and see what what happened to him, because I remember 1528 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:04.239 what year he had passed away. But let's see archival 1529 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:10.399 footage blah blah blah blah, And it's very hard. 1530 01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:15.560 To find anything on Thomas Arthur Valley. Well, and you 1531 01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:19.079 know something, you you actually called me el rot something 1532 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:23.159 that I was talking about on other shows. For a while. 1533 01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:30.159 I had always come across a thing that I wasn't 1534 01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:36.239 able to substantiate, and that was that Thomas Arthur Valley 1535 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:39.680 was pulled over in a car that was registered to 1536 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:40.960 the rby Oswald. 1537 01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:44.520 Yeah that, Yeah, you were one. 1538 01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:47.319 Hundred percent corrects Like I can't prove that. 1539 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:50.079 Yeah, I couldn't there, look was wrong. Yeah, I know 1540 01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:52.520 about him being pulled over, and I know about the 1541 01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:55.319 police trying to get rid of the records on it 1542 01:25:56.079 --> 01:25:58.359 and all that stuff. Yeah, they you know, he did 1543 01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.199 have a bunch of rounds. I mean, like some ridiculous 1544 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:04.199 I forget how many, like three thousand rounds in his 1545 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:08.239 front or something. Yeah, yeah, and it was like, okay, 1546 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:12.119 that's pretty crazy. But other than that, they had no 1547 01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:16.239 reason to take him down, and it was just like 1548 01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:16.920 it was weird. 1549 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:22.039 It was it wasn't registered to Lee Harvey Golswalt, not 1550 01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:25.479 that I know of, No, But what do you got 1551 01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:28.239 so like the urban legend like behind it? 1552 01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:32.840 I guess yeah, let's see, he was trying the information 1553 01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:37.119 again was not in as long to analysis. Yeah, it's 1554 01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:40.840 funny because after he was released you see, I'm seeing 1555 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:42.920 a bunch of places where people are like dead end, 1556 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:49.239 dead end on him at a certain point here strong 1557 01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:53.479 indicators Chicago. Yeah. See, Now the other guys that they 1558 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:57.239 were supposedly tracking, the supposed group of Cubans that were 1559 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:02.560 there in Chicago same time, those guys disappeared, and that's 1560 01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:04.960 a whole other thing. They just never tracked him down. 1561 01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:09.239 Yeah, there were like four guy who's renting like an 1562 01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:12.199 apartment or whatever camp. 1563 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:16.760 Yeah, I mean Valley was shorter than the other thing is, oh, 1564 01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:18.920 the guy looked just like Oswa and not really. He 1565 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:22.439 was shorter than him, you know, you know, he was 1566 01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:24.199 shorter than him, he was thinner than him, he had 1567 01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:27.319 blue eyes. I mean, there's a whole thing that is 1568 01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:30.000 way different on him. 1569 01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:33.079 But didn't they try to like push to the uh, 1570 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:38.520 the John Birch society like angle like with him and 1571 01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:42.920 instead of just the you know, the Cuban angle. 1572 01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:45.640 Yeah, like that's the ya. That's the thing is they've 1573 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.000 always said that and I don't even know where they 1574 01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:49.720 got that from. 1575 01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:51.720 Yeah, I don't either. 1576 01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:55.880 You know, outside of Okay, when you look at Bolden's claim, 1577 01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:59.840 it's one thing, right, and the information that he gave 1578 01:27:59.920 --> 01:28:03.640 to Edwin Black, that's one thing. And they did a 1579 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:05.680 light detector on him, and I, you know, for the 1580 01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:10.840 most part, I believe Bolden, but you know, without documentation, 1581 01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:15.039 I don't rely on you know, this guy's memory alone, 1582 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:19.399 especially considering look from his own words. You know, he 1583 01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:25.239 was medicated heavily in jail. Yeah, so a lot of 1584 01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:31.760 information could be lost or misrepresented. Gler. 1585 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:37.279 Mark Lane was representing Moulden a certain period of time 1586 01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:38.920 in like the early seventies. 1587 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:41.520 Yeah, Mark Lane interjected himself into a lot of cases 1588 01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:46.039 and got some people out of place. So yeah, yeah, no, 1589 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:49.520 Mark Lane did a lot of stuff like that, and 1590 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:52.079 then by the end of the seventies he's in freaking Jonestown. 1591 01:28:52.199 --> 01:29:00.920 I mean, you know Mark Lane another yea curious Yeah, No, 1592 01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:03.520 it's okay. I'm just saying it's just, you know, it's 1593 01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:04.119 another case. 1594 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:08.840 So you're right though, he was Jose's lawyer. 1595 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:10.479 Like, like, I got to tell you. 1596 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:17.439 You know Polly Perette from CSI, Yeah, she made that 1597 01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:22.319 documentary Citizen Lane. I think like ten years ago. 1598 01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:24.000 Yes, Citizen Lane. I remember that. 1599 01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:27.800 I tried to get her on the podcast, and for 1600 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:31.159 some reason, she just wouldn't do it. I don't know why, 1601 01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:34.279 because I thought she was proud of the work that 1602 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:39.119 she did with that documentary, but it always like, maybe 1603 01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:41.800 feel weird about it. And I talked to Charlie Robinson 1604 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.760 about that too, and I guess she tried to do 1605 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:52.000 something similar, like getting her to come on to talk 1606 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:56.600 about that, and I just don't know, like what the 1607 01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:58.920 deal with that whole thing was either. 1608 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.199 So look, i'd love to talk to her about that myself, 1609 01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:04.399 just as you know, what was going on behind the 1610 01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:06.079 scenes while you were filming that, because she took a 1611 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:09.920 while to film that, I think, so I'd love to 1612 01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:13.199 just get some And it's also weird because that's around 1613 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:14.960 the time I think I got a letter from him. 1614 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:19.319 Is no, no, No, it was earlier than that, because 1615 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:21.079 it was around the time he put out that The 1616 01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:25.239 Final Word or whatever book that he sent me that letter, 1617 01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:30.720 So I gotta look up with maybe twenty twelve. Yeah, 1618 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:34.399 so I mean, that's yeah, thirteen years ago now, But 1619 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:36.680 I think she might have been filming around the same time. 1620 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:39.079 I'm not sure, though, I'd have to look back at it. 1621 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:39.600 I don't know. 1622 01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:41.800 So be Pete, what do you think should we take 1623 01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:42.199 about that? 1624 01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:44.159 Should we take a little break here be Pete. What 1625 01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:44.600 do you think? 1626 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:47.560 Yeah, we take a quick one if you want. 1627 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:49.279 Yeah, I need to do that just so I can 1628 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:51.640 get another drink. To be honest with you, and I'm 1629 01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:54.399 just gonna put you on hold Chris for now while 1630 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:57.159 we go to break real fast. And I know we've 1631 01:30:57.159 --> 01:30:59.039 done JFK hour and I'm sure some of you are 1632 01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:02.600 thrilled and some of your now, but it's like Chris 1633 01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:04.560 testing me and me having to figure out stuff and 1634 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.479 piece things together as I'm going, uh, you having fun 1635 01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:08.199 with this, b Peter. 1636 01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:14.359 No, Well, it's just it's just most It's like most 1637 01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:16.600 conversations that you have. It's a little bit of trivia 1638 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:19.039 here there, and it just starts rolling. 1639 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:22.199 It's you know what, though, it sounds exactly like most 1640 01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:24.760 of the conversations I have at the conferences, you know that, right, 1641 01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:30.119 Except sadly I usually know every single thing these people 1642 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:33.279 ask me at the conferences. Chris keeps stumping me on 1643 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:37.960 weird little things. But at the conferences they're like would 1644 01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:39.720 you know this? And I'm like, well, there's kind. 1645 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:42.600 Of indicative of the whole JFK thing. 1646 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:46.159 I mean, you can spend hours talking minutia and never 1647 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:50.319 you know, end never discussed anything really. 1648 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:55.000 Questionable. It's just this whole JFK world. 1649 01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:57.520 Now is nothing but a bunch of little facts for 1650 01:31:57.760 --> 01:32:03.439 this or rat you know. 1651 01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:21.159 Revelation through kan say heurial, Oh. 1652 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:35.079 Shell a fat to belly spring. You are the fact, 1653 01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:44.079 you are the. 1654 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:45.800 Uncle. 1655 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:48.920 Do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said that 1656 01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:52.479 an Asian secret society was going to dispatch ninja's to 1657 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:53.880 take down the illuminati. 1658 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:57.000 Oh that's interesting, yeah in the coatroom? 1659 01:32:57.560 --> 01:32:57.800 Yeah? 1660 01:32:57.880 --> 01:32:59.359 Did that ever work out too good? 1661 01:32:59.640 --> 01:32:59.720 No? 1662 01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:04.359 It didn't, did it? 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I kind of 1723 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.960 have a commentary to do on Trump's ol story about 1724 01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:42.840 the fat shot, which I think is funny. But other 1725 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:44.600 than that, what's what's news? 1726 01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:45.279 You know what? 1727 01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:47.479 Trump went to Saudi Arabia, okay. 1728 01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:51.239 Least kissing everybody's ass. 1729 01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:56.680 I don't like us, okay, so you know that's the 1730 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:59.640 point I'm not, you know, like, didn't we do this 1731 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:03.279 for oil before anyway? So now he's doing it for 1732 01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:06.119 cash because supposedly they're going to make a six billion, 1733 01:37:06.279 --> 01:37:10.079 six hundred billion dollar investment. Whatever. Am I even interested 1734 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:12.119 in this? Does this have anything to do with me? 1735 01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:13.319 You know what I'm saying. 1736 01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:17.760 I have noticed something though, in the past three months. 1737 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:21.319 It seems like the littlest of things can get so 1738 01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:25.720 blown out of proportion in a matter of I mean minutes, 1739 01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:29.279 the minute something hits Twitter or the minute something hits 1740 01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:33.640 some other social platform. It's like it takes off and 1741 01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:35.880 it takes a week and a half to get the 1742 01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:40.680 actual story after all this people running around with their 1743 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:42.920 hair on fire. Yep, it takes a week and a 1744 01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:47.039 half to get down to the basic, actual story and 1745 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:48.199 then it disappears. 1746 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:51.439 Yeah, you know how many things that were? You know 1747 01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:55.239 it was a fire alarm when it happened. Now we don't. 1748 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:56.439 We haven't heard about it months. 1749 01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:58.840 Yeah, and now I'm just exhausted, to be honest with you. 1750 01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:02.920 Yeah, I think that's the purpose, Just exhaust everybody. And 1751 01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:03.800 they said, I'll. 1752 01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:06.520 Ask for maybe maybe that. It looks like we got 1753 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:08.199 Jimmy James on the line, so I'm going to bring 1754 01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:11.840 him on and see what's on his mind. Jimmy, Uh, 1755 01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:14.119 it doesn't look like I kept you too too long. 1756 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:14.960 But how you doing? Man? 1757 01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:18.479 Oh, I'm doing fine. 1758 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:24.079 Cool. Were you enjoying the the JFK stump stumped the 1759 01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:26.800 host and going on there for a minute. 1760 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:32.880 Well, I was in deep meditation. I missed it. 1761 01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:38.119 Oh listen, man, congratulations to you. I wish I could 1762 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:41.520 be in deep meditation anymore. I can't even focus long enough, 1763 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:43.640 so props. 1764 01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:49.319 Oh my goodness, yes, oh, I. 1765 01:38:51.039 --> 01:38:52.359 Had to chuck. I had to. 1766 01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:56.479 I send it right up there too, like I'm one up. Oh, 1767 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:59.279 I'm up to cloub twenty five. Now I've seen the Greek. 1768 01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:00.520 He's a cloud seven. 1769 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:02.359 I went up up. 1770 01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:07.399 I'm up nice, I'm glad, I'm I'm I'm cheering you on, man. 1771 01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:07.760 No. 1772 01:39:09.640 --> 01:39:14.479 Oh, I was just you know, up there, just clouding out, 1773 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:20.079 chelling out, taking it all in. I'm kind of bummed 1774 01:39:20.119 --> 01:39:25.000 out of miss JFK Hour though. Chris, uh, you know it. 1775 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:26.640 I owe you an apology. 1776 01:39:27.479 --> 01:39:30.119 Oh sorry? Yeah, you want me to put Chris on 1777 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:35.319 with you? Oh yeah, okay, I'll put Chris on with you. 1778 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:38.840 Hold on, okay, Chris, you're back on. You're on with you. 1779 01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:46.159 James, Hey, Jimmy, James over here, and you did every time. 1780 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:50.239 I owe you an apology. 1781 01:39:50.439 --> 01:39:53.960 Once you said, uh, man over guns and bullets all 1782 01:39:54.039 --> 01:39:58.039 over deeply plaza and I crissed back a little on that, 1783 01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:02.079 but I shouldn't have, as you were correct, there were 1784 01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:03.960 they start counting. 1785 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:06.600 These things they add up, Yeah they do. 1786 01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:13.880 Yeah, you have photographs of FBI guys like putting uh 1787 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:17.239 what appears to be bullets in their pockets. 1788 01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:18.239 You have. 1789 01:40:20.279 --> 01:40:23.640 I think there was there there was another bullet. 1790 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:24.359 That hit. 1791 01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:30.199 The streak, and not not James Tieg's bullet, but there 1792 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:35.039 was another bullet that Oliver Stone brought up on Joe 1793 01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:38.680 Rogan's podcast, and uh, I didn't even know about that. 1794 01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:42.840 Yeah, well what what? Uh that's an easy one. 1795 01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:43.119 You know. 1796 01:40:43.159 --> 01:40:46.000 What's funny about that is I knew about that years 1797 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:52.359 ago and why because of a guy named Stavis Ellis. Okay, 1798 01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:56.000 he's he was another cop. And what's funny is I 1799 01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:57.880 had him written in my file for the longest time 1800 01:40:57.920 --> 01:40:59.680 is Steven Ellison. I don't know how I did that, 1801 01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:05.520 but Stavis Ellis anyways, Uh, this guy swore that the 1802 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:09.239 bullets struck the road near him, which if you positioned 1803 01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:15.000 him correctly, you got bullet strikes on the ground behind limo, 1804 01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:19.760 which you know, nobody ever found the bullet for. But 1805 01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:22.880 then again, there's a whole family. There's three people, uh 1806 01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:26.920 that are that are standing over by the manual cover 1807 01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:30.600 who swear that a bullet literally burrowed into the into 1808 01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:34.199 the dirt, uh, you know, or by the manual cover. 1809 01:41:35.880 --> 01:41:38.840 So you know, there's all kinds of stuff. People are 1810 01:41:38.920 --> 01:41:42.520 seeing things everywhere, and I'm not saying everybody's accurate. But 1811 01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:46.039 when you start to combine it with this guy picking 1812 01:41:46.119 --> 01:41:48.079 up something out of the grass, the James Take thing 1813 01:41:48.159 --> 01:41:51.760 they tried to deny. You know, what are you gonna 1814 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:55.279 do after a while. I mean, there there's literally bits 1815 01:41:55.319 --> 01:41:55.920 of evidence the. 1816 01:41:56.800 --> 01:41:59.880 Hole in the windshield Chuck No, maybe made it. 1817 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.359 No talks about see but maybe maybe not because is 1818 01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:06.239 that the windshield that ended up at the National Archives 1819 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:12.760 or not? You see, because it's true, you know, I'm 1820 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:13.439 not saying that. 1821 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:16.359 I know for I'm pretty sure there was photographs before 1822 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:21.520 it went it went the I'm pretty sure there's photographs 1823 01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:25.079 before that limo was sent back. 1824 01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:29.159 To Michigan, right, like where there wasn't there was tests 1825 01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:33.920 of money from like another FBI agent that said he 1826 01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:38.960 put a pencil through that bullet hole in the windshield. 1827 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:41.960 Well that was the guy who came out later said that, right, 1828 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:44.560 And then there was also a medical student at the 1829 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:48.039 time who became a doctor leader who said that she 1830 01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:52.680 could put a pencil through it. But it's all weird. 1831 01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:55.319 It's a whole weird contention because here's the thing. When 1832 01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:57.600 the when you take a look at the FBI, were 1833 01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:01.319 the secret Service photographs of the limo they're mainly focused 1834 01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:06.680 on the back seat, and you know, so if you. 1835 01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:08.880 Think about it, though, it's just a lot of opening 1836 01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:12.479 that shirt away right right in a Parkland. He literally 1837 01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:15.560 had like a bucket with like soap and water, and 1838 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:16.039 they were. 1839 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:19.760 Like, there's already a guy with Yeah, there's already a 1840 01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:22.319 guy with a sponge rocket cleaning it up at Parkland. Yep. 1841 01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:25.439 If you think about it, though, I paint the bullets 1842 01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:28.720 that are just connected to the car. You had a 1843 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:31.600 ding in the in the trim above the windshield, right 1844 01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:33.840 cron piece four, sir, you had a crack in the 1845 01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:36.399 You had a crack in the windshield. There's photos of 1846 01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:39.840 the car sitting there Parkland with some either a crack 1847 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:41.520 or a break in the windshield. 1848 01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:46.199 There's definitely a blemish in the windshield. Yes, absolutely, all right, Now. 1849 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:48.720 Look at the shots. Kennedy took two bullets that we 1850 01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:49.039 know of. 1851 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:51.880 Okay, he took the first shot where he was grabbing 1852 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:53.800 his throat, he comes out from behind the sign and 1853 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:58.359 there's a fruder film and then the headshot. That's four 1854 01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:03.560 shots already. I don't think the bullet that hit the chrome. 1855 01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:08.600 Looking at the imprint in the chrome on the trim 1856 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:11.560 and the windshield. You can see a perfectly round hole. 1857 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:14.920 So that thing, if it fragmented, could a piece of 1858 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:18.039 that hit the windshield. Well, all right, let's say that 1859 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:18.840 was one shot. 1860 01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:21.199 So now you've got three shots. 1861 01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:22.479 You've got two that hit. 1862 01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:24.439 Kennedy and the one that hit the trim in the 1863 01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:27.520 car and could have possibly damaged the windshield. 1864 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:30.640 There's three shots. You got the shot with take and. 1865 01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:34.760 You've got three shots, and you've got three missing fragments 1866 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:38.000 now which well, which were dug out of the carpet 1867 01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:39.359 of the limo. 1868 01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:43.199 But I mean they could be fragments of from whatever 1869 01:44:43.319 --> 01:44:43.880 hit the trim. 1870 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:49.119 They can believe they could potentially be from one projectile 1871 01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:50.960 because they didn't even one. 1872 01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:52.119 That hit Kennedy in the back. 1873 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.359 We don't know that's got the shot on Connolly too, 1874 01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:57.279 the turn out that is the same one that hit 1875 01:44:57.399 --> 01:44:58.199 Kennedy in the back. 1876 01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:00.840 Let's to make it simple. Sure, So you're looking at 1877 01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:02.520 it thour shots already. 1878 01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:05.319 That's the way I look. I've always seen it that way, okay. 1879 01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:07.359 And the thing is, I think that you got two 1880 01:45:07.439 --> 01:45:10.560 from the front and two from behind. I really think so, 1881 01:45:11.279 --> 01:45:13.399 because he was clearly struck in the back as far 1882 01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:16.079 as I'm concerned. And when you end up with those 1883 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:21.439 bullet fragments, let's just call them fragments of the same projectile. Okay, 1884 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:28.800 that's one two Okay, the one that ends up in 1885 01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:32.640 Connolly's leg. Don't forget there was a projectile in his leg. 1886 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:36.960 Yeah, yeah, he's up his wrist right. 1887 01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:40.880 Well that if you go with the theory, okay, that 1888 01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:44.079 it's all bull it hit his wrist before it hit 1889 01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:46.119 the leg smashed, the wrist went through and then and 1890 01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:50.720 it ends up partially buried in his leg, in his thigh. Yeah. 1891 01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:54.880 I'm not saying I buy that. I'm just saying, if 1892 01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:59.119 you go with that, that's one bullet. You have the fragments. 1893 01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:03.680 They apparently account for a second projectile. He's still got 1894 01:46:03.720 --> 01:46:07.279 a problem. I don't see how all that happens. And 1895 01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:13.840 tag there's three exactly bare minimum of three. 1896 01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:18.600 That's what gets me about the War Commission and how 1897 01:46:18.680 --> 01:46:20.720 so many people bought it. I mean, they had to 1898 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:23.720 finagle a single bullet theory to account for three shots, 1899 01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:29.199 and they're still not accounting for tague shot. So how 1900 01:46:29.319 --> 01:46:32.159 in the hell they could release the war report and 1901 01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:35.319 not at least match up the number of shots to 1902 01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:37.319 the number of bullets that they don't. 1903 01:46:37.159 --> 01:46:41.720 Exist because their kills me. Their idea is he took 1904 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:47.640 three shots. One first one missus strikes curb take but 1905 01:46:48.640 --> 01:46:52.720 second one JFK's neck passes through his neck into Connolly, 1906 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:56.920 into his leg. Last one head shot. 1907 01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:01.439 But see that's just did though the bullet that hit 1908 01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:01.920 his back. 1909 01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:06.000 Based on their own testimony, I guess you could call 1910 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:07.760 it that was a dead hole. 1911 01:47:07.960 --> 01:47:10.000 They felt the bottom of the hole in his back. 1912 01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:10.399 Yep. 1913 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:13.560 So you've got one shot, You've got the shot that 1914 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:16.600 hit Connolly, there's two shots, you got the head shot. 1915 01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:22.479 It's three shots, yep, and tags let alone what bounced 1916 01:47:22.479 --> 01:47:24.560 off the damn trima of the WHO shield. 1917 01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:26.319 Well, and here's the problem. Unless you're going to tell 1918 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:29.840 me that the head shot sprayed all of those fragments 1919 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:33.399 in his skull and ended up in the two the 1920 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:37.319 three now missing. By the way, those fragments are gone. 1921 01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:41.439 I don't know if you know that those are totally gone. 1922 01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:45.880 They don't even exist anymore. They were taken in evidence, 1923 01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:48.960 but they don't exist anymore. They say they were destroyed 1924 01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:52.680 as a result of testing. That's the explanation, you know, supposedly, 1925 01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:56.199 but nobody will sign off on it. They're just gone. 1926 01:47:57.640 --> 01:47:59.840 Surprised there's anything left for him to release that a 1927 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:01.640 thing hasn't been done done away with. 1928 01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:06.000 Yeah, well, you know, just just like look the biological 1929 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:11.680 material see JFK's brain. There's another thing. And I'm pretty 1930 01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:15.640 satisfied where that went, because that casket that that that 1931 01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:20.840 RFK had dumped also contained biological material. Now some people 1932 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:22.760 would say, well, that's just the blood and everything that 1933 01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:24.920 ended up in that casket when they carried the body, 1934 01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:28.840 and blah blah blah. But it seems strange that it 1935 01:48:28.960 --> 01:48:32.439 disappeared the brain, you know, the canister with the brain, 1936 01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:38.800 and it disappeared right before that, you know, classified navy 1937 01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:44.239 drop of the casket into the ocean, and didn't Gerald. 1938 01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:55.119 Forward change the back bullets on JFK as magic bullet 1939 01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:57.319 in his in his draft for the age. 1940 01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:04.640 Yeah, in his draft, right, he's said, you know, back 1941 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:08.520 back of the what was it, back of the neck 1942 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:13.279 instead of back is what he changed it to, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1943 01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:16.800 But that was about three inches three four inches. 1944 01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:18.359 Yeah, all true. 1945 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:23.640 And our instructor completed it with the magic the whole 1946 01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:25.840 magic bullet scenario, right. 1947 01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:28.880 The thing, the thing that gets me the most out 1948 01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:30.680 of it is when it was released. I mean, you 1949 01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:33.079 had you pet people like Mark Lane going no, this 1950 01:49:33.199 --> 01:49:36.239 story doesn't make sense. Why you didn't have more of 1951 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:42.000 the intellectual assets that this country had. I mean not 1952 01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:46.319 just Mark Lane, not just a lawyer, but the the 1953 01:49:47.479 --> 01:49:52.039 media and everybody else. Why they just blatantly swallowed the 1954 01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:53.439 Warren Commission report. 1955 01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:54.800 I'll never understand. 1956 01:49:55.399 --> 01:49:58.199 Well, Warren Commission reports released in sixty four, it took 1957 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:01.439 a little while for everybody to go through. By sixty six, 1958 01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:05.640 Lane is going around to colleges and given discussions and 1959 01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:09.680 everything else. Sixty six, sixty seven, sixty eight, sixty nine. 1960 01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:13.680 Garrison joins them, and they were going around all over 1961 01:50:13.720 --> 01:50:17.439 the place trying to give demonstrations. This is why this 1962 01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:19.600 doesn't work. This is why this makes no sense. You 1963 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:21.840 can't cycle the rifle fast and all that stuff. 1964 01:50:21.960 --> 01:50:24.680 No, that's what gets me is with the amount of. 1965 01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:28.520 With the amount of intellect that we had in this 1966 01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:32.800 country in the mid sixties, why there wasn't more questioning 1967 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:36.920 of that report coming out from different different avenues. 1968 01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:40.119 I just I'll never understand there's a swallow of it. 1969 01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:42.840 You know, Lockstock and barrel. 1970 01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:46.079 Oh yeah, Well the War Commission said, uh huh, where 1971 01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:47.720 is your intellectual curiosity? 1972 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:48.039 Spread? 1973 01:50:48.119 --> 01:50:52.840 COVID the crap they just twenty twenty here in COVID. 1974 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.239 That's the same thing I was thick and during COVID. 1975 01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:59.159 These people are stupid as hell. They can't believe this. 1976 01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:02.439 Come on, well it was believed, it was blievably went 1977 01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:06.199 along with it, and the same thing happened is believe 1978 01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:10.039 the experts. Remember David Bellin went on a tour along 1979 01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:11.960 with a bunch of these other guys trying to support 1980 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.920 the Commission, saying, look, we got it all correct. You know, 1981 01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:17.479 even if we didn't sort out everything, we sorted it 1982 01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:19.960 out enough to tell you this is the basic story done, 1983 01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:25.760 and believe us. We're the experts. That's really what it 1984 01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:28.039 came down to. I mean, I hate to say it, 1985 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:30.399 but it's kind of the American way. Believe the expert. 1986 01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:32.920 Here's your expert. How do you know he's an expert? 1987 01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:35.279 Good question, but don't ask it. 1988 01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:35.920 You know. 1989 01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:40.800 Well, nineteen sixty four, I'll give them a lot more 1990 01:51:42.039 --> 01:51:48.760 grace because the government up to that point had gotten 1991 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:54.039 caught a lot less slide. But by two twenty everyone 1992 01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:59.520 should have been calling out this COVID garbage fools. 1993 01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:02.600 Hey, look, I agree with you. The only thing is 1994 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:07.199 that I really wish we had seen, you know, more 1995 01:52:07.239 --> 01:52:09.760 of what happened in the seventies, because all that questioning 1996 01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:11.680 started to come out. Which, oh, by the way, that 1997 01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:13.560 announcement I was going to tell you about real fast 1998 01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:18.279 before we run out of time, was that Apparently you know, 1999 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:21.479 they made a list for Representative Luna to go to 2000 01:52:21.560 --> 01:52:25.920 the CIA with, and Morley wrote, let's see the Florida 2001 01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:29.800 Republican chair of the House Task Force on Declassification expects 2002 01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:34.439 answers on assassination records. The CIA will release long secret 2003 01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:37.239 files related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy 2004 01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:44.600 within weeks, an agency official promise. Representative Anna Paulina Luna, 2005 01:52:44.800 --> 01:52:49.239 chair of the House Task Force on Declassification of federal secrets. 2006 01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:53.479 On Friday, in an interview with JFK Fax, Luna said 2007 01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:57.159 she was told the CIA had located four of the 2008 01:52:57.279 --> 01:52:59.880 five files that she demanded in a letter to CI 2009 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:06.600 Director John Ratcliffe last month. So who knows, Maybe we'll 2010 01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:08.359 see some progress in a few days. 2011 01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:19.760 And Chuck can, Chuck can? I asked yourself, Yeah, real quick, Yeah, good, Okay, 2012 01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:27.960 the RFK assassination. Had you heard? You know, there was 2013 01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:30.560 a documentary called. 2014 01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:31.159 The Second Gun. 2015 01:53:32.319 --> 01:53:37.880 Yep, did you ever see? 2016 01:53:38.720 --> 01:53:45.199 What is testimony that there was another sugar besides Eugene Caesar. 2017 01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:51.640 I recall that there was a couple of ideas about 2018 01:53:51.720 --> 01:53:54.960 more than one person having a gun. And you know, 2019 01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:57.520 Caesar is your best person because he had a He 2020 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:00.479 definitely had a gun. And you know that that clip off, 2021 01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:03.439 that clip on tie you see laying next to RFK 2022 01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:06.279 in the pictures is Caesar's, Yeah, because he was that 2023 01:54:06.439 --> 01:54:07.319 damn close to him. 2024 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:13.199 But there were other there were other witnesses that I 2025 01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:21.319 actually sound that said that they saw a guy shoot 2026 01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:26.680 what apparently was blanks like confetti like you've seen like 2027 01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:29.800 a molie like, uh, shooting blanks. 2028 01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:33.399 Well, I didn't see it. Yeah, I didn't see the 2029 01:54:33.479 --> 01:54:36.960 thing about shooting blanks. I did see the the other 2030 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:40.319 witnesses who said they saw other people draw guns. But 2031 01:54:40.479 --> 01:54:43.279 I don't recall anybody saying everything about blanks blanks I 2032 01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:46.800 think comes from Lisa Piece's work, but I could be 2033 01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:50.319 wrong about that. Anyways, looks like, let's see what time 2034 01:54:50.439 --> 01:54:52.399 is it? Oh crap, I'm about a minute over, so 2035 01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:54.239 I got to get on over to the Age of 2036 01:54:54.319 --> 01:54:58.439 Transitions with Aaron Franz. Guys, but I appreciate you and 2037 01:54:58.760 --> 01:55:02.159 Jimmy James for calling in. Seriously, Uh you guys make 2038 01:55:02.199 --> 01:55:04.720 the show run. Jimmy, you got to call in earlier. Man, 2039 01:55:05.399 --> 01:55:07.079 I would have I would have loved to talk to 2040 01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:10.239 you more, and you too, Chris. But in the meantime, BPTE, 2041 01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:11.680 I'm gonna give you the final word. 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