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Speaker 2: zero one six still the number to call in and
Speaker 2: join up with this this week and it is a Friday. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I got my co host with me. We don't have
Speaker 2: the special uh celebrity caller this week, so open lines
Speaker 2: this whole time, all the way up to ten pm
Speaker 2: when the Age of Transition starts, and then eleven pm
Speaker 2: will have Uncle the broadcast and I have no idea
Speaker 2: what's going to happen there, So there you go. Anyways,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind? Bpete this week?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's been a busy week.
Speaker 4: We've been dodging a lot of rain two I mean
Speaker 4: off of all every day, so trying to get your
Speaker 4: work done and between that's been a little hard to do.
Speaker 4: But other than that, busy online, you know, with the
Speaker 4: government now that I'm retired individual and subject to the
Speaker 4: large as such society that I paid for with taxes
Speaker 4: all these damn years.
Speaker 3: But other than that, it's been.
Speaker 5: A good week.
Speaker 4: Just reading the story here, it's funny story picked up
Speaker 4: on a Detroit TV station that happened in Charlotte here
Speaker 4: in the state of my Choosing. The manager at Popeye's
Speaker 4: was arrested for attempted first degree murder after shooting a
Speaker 4: co worker during an argument over burnt biscuits.
Speaker 2: Burn biscuits.
Speaker 3: It's getting bad out there, man.
Speaker 4: You can't even go to work at bo Hangile's without
Speaker 4: taking a chance of taking a shot.
Speaker 2: That's rough, man. You know they closed the Bojangles. You
Speaker 2: know when you came to visit me, was there a
Speaker 2: Bojangles still down the street from us?
Speaker 3: I think there was?
Speaker 5: I think so.
Speaker 4: I think there was pasted on the way to the
Speaker 4: place where we got cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, right, because we ended up going
Speaker 2: to Lolo or something to go get cigarettes because we
Speaker 2: got the circle k on the corner and then the
Speaker 2: next block over used to be a Bojangles, but they
Speaker 2: pulled it, and apparently they pulled a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 2: They even closed some Popeyes in the city, which is weird, weird,
Speaker 2: but they were claiming supply chain issues.
Speaker 3: And about a couple of Popeyes up this way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bojangles. Isn't that from North Carolina? That
Speaker 2: chicken franchise or what. Yeah.
Speaker 4: In fact, they were quartered in Charlotte, and yeah, they
Speaker 4: started in this area, started branching out. They're one of
Speaker 4: the success stories of fast food.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what another success story is, and I
Speaker 2: don't even know why. It's a success story from the
Speaker 2: Northeast and from a bad part of the northeast. Really
Speaker 2: Connecticut subway. Oh my god, I cannot stand that there
Speaker 2: are subway restaurants everywhere. And the reason why there are
Speaker 2: is because they were the cheapest franchise to buy for
Speaker 2: a very long time, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they don't they don't take up a lot
Speaker 4: of room. They're one of the few fast food companies
Speaker 4: that can be retrofitted into kiosks because they really don't
Speaker 4: need a lot of room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kiosk. You can put them into a modular situation
Speaker 2: where you have, like, you know, a couple of different things,
Speaker 2: like say you got a a convenience store, right, and
Speaker 2: you've got okay, I want to put a fast food
Speaker 2: in here, and then I also want to put a
Speaker 2: service in here, you know, and you want to put
Speaker 2: a couple of slots. They can design it for that too.
Speaker 2: They crunch it down and make the fridge small and everything,
Speaker 2: you know, as long as you got.
Speaker 4: One thing I hate about that though, is when you
Speaker 4: get a bunch of those chains together in the little
Speaker 4: chios sections, it really puts a hamper on what can
Speaker 4: be sold in the adjoining convenience store.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well did they They don't. I was just going
Speaker 2: to ask you, did they put Papa John's in your
Speaker 2: circle case yet?
Speaker 4: No, They've Circle K's been trying to trying to keep
Speaker 4: up with Speedway when it comes to pizzas and things
Speaker 4: like that, food choices, and they've modernized a lot of
Speaker 4: Circle K's up here to put in newer stuff to
Speaker 4: allow for food. But they don't. Their problem is staff
Speaker 4: not keeping it stocked. That's their biggest issue. Speedway took
Speaker 4: over on that. Now, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: See now you think that you think that's an issue.
Speaker 2: I got to tell you something about that though, because
Speaker 2: Kim occasionally goes down and does what like a smart
Speaker 2: shift for the Circle K. And the thing is they
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with stocking the food corporate tells
Speaker 2: them not to. They're only supposed to put out like
Speaker 2: exactly what they used the day before, basically, so they
Speaker 2: never they don't want waste.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that these stores up here though, are
Speaker 4: severely lacking on stocking and subways kicking their butt. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but they breakfast at lunch.
Speaker 2: But they've done it here too, where they put up
Speaker 2: one rack of hot dogs and that's it for the day. Hey,
Speaker 2: how can that be possible in a busy city like this? Right?
Speaker 2: One rack of hot dogs for the day. And they
Speaker 2: got rid of the original Circle K pizza and they
Speaker 2: put in these Papa John's minis, which is weird because
Speaker 2: now you got raceway going into yours. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's like Circle K like play in the field here
Speaker 2: or what I think.
Speaker 4: So the Speedway just got bought out last year by
Speaker 4: seven to eleven, so they're slowly making the transition over
Speaker 4: to seven eleven, which we didn't have a lot of
Speaker 4: seven elevens in this area, and they were usually more
Speaker 4: expensive than all the other convenienced zones. And now that
Speaker 4: they bought out Speedway, they the prices are starting to
Speaker 4: go through a roof. I used to get a whole
Speaker 4: pizza for six bucks. Now it's eleven dollars, ten dollars.
Speaker 2: Now you know what's weird about that? I read an
Speaker 2: article that possibly Circle K was going to buy Southland,
Speaker 2: and I was like, when the hell did they get
Speaker 2: that big? But and they came from.
Speaker 4: Kay's pretty big because you got to realize Circle K
Speaker 4: used to be the Circle K and Kangaroo and they
Speaker 4: bought up Kangaroo stores.
Speaker 2: See. Now, the first time I ever heard of a
Speaker 2: circle K was in that Bill and Ted movie, Remember
Speaker 2: the Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, like in the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the first time I ever even heard of a
Speaker 2: Circle K. And then I don't know, I thought they
Speaker 2: were in Florida or something. And then they just started
Speaker 2: springing up in a lot of places and they bought
Speaker 2: the kangaroos or they took over the kangaroos I should
Speaker 2: say in North Carolina. And I went, this is weird,
Speaker 2: Like Circle K is becoming this like I don't know,
Speaker 2: the Walmart of convenience stores, right, yeah, just like you.
Speaker 3: Know Kingston as smile as it was.
Speaker 4: It ended up when Circle K bought Kangaroo, they ended
Speaker 4: up with four stores in the city, each other had two.
Speaker 4: And when they merged and then they closed down the
Speaker 4: ones that weren't as profitable. But it's getting tough because
Speaker 4: now wah Wah has come down from Pennsylvania and is
Speaker 4: opening up places BUCkies, the huge place we stopped there
Speaker 4: in Texas. They're opening up stores. It's getting to be
Speaker 4: cut throat out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting weird. Look, if wa Wah comes down here,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be happy because I like the way Wawah runs.
Speaker 2: But they don't have a store. The closest thing you
Speaker 2: got to ahuah Wah in this area at all, like
Speaker 2: any part of the South is Sheets, you know. Uh,
Speaker 2: But wah Wah had, you know, like the best, like
Speaker 2: just quick, quick, easy, cheap subs. They used to have.
Speaker 2: They had all kinds of hospitals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the owner of Sheets sent as kids to school
Speaker 4: up at the High Point University. And I got to
Speaker 4: talking with a couple of them when we were when
Speaker 4: I worked for DOT, I had to go and inspect
Speaker 4: their connections with the our road race system and.
Speaker 2: All that, and.
Speaker 4: So I got to talking to them, and I mean
Speaker 4: they started just to take on wah Wah. So now
Speaker 4: we've got both Pennsylvania big competitors down here.
Speaker 2: Nice. Uh Okay, so it looks like we do have
Speaker 2: a caller. But again I'll give the number out three
Speaker 2: one nine five two seven, five zero one six. I
Speaker 2: know I talk fast, but I try to slow it down.
Speaker 2: Three to one nine five two seven five zero one six.
Speaker 2: That's still the number until things change here. And we're
Speaker 2: still playing around with a couple of different setups, trying
Speaker 2: to get the best deal because I'm gonna pay somebody.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pay Skype anymore, but somebody's gonna get
Speaker 2: my money, and they're gonna get more of it because
Speaker 2: Skype I had a good deal with and of course
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Speaker 2: to make you you know, you got to buy a
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Speaker 2: I don't want to use zoom. I really hate zoom,
Speaker 2: but who knows, maybe we'll use zoom. I guess we'll
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Speaker 2: somebody else like making me use that in order to
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Speaker 2: you know, pay to play set up, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can have this and this for free. But then
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of complications. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: we're supposed to get cut off after sixty minutes, I
Speaker 2: think on some of these things, which is ridiculous. So
Speaker 2: unless you're upily last week, we didn't. Yeah, well we didn't,
Speaker 2: and I was surprised. Anyways, let's see what this caller is. Uh,
Speaker 2: let's see. It looks like six one seven area code
Speaker 2: and you're live on the show. Don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: recognize the number.
Speaker 5: But how you doing, Chris Graves?
Speaker 6: How you doing?
Speaker 2: Oh it's Chris? Okay, how you doing? Chris? I know
Speaker 2: you and I spoke yesterday off there, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how you doing tonight?
Speaker 6: We are you just wondering? I'm just wondering. I always
Speaker 6: thought bo Jangles was like a blues guitar player from
Speaker 6: like the forties, by BB King's sidekick or something.
Speaker 2: No, he was like a dancing bo Jangles. Let me
Speaker 2: let me see if I can explain. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know what. Maybe I should go to the Wikipedia
Speaker 2: on this, because bo Jangles was a kind of a
Speaker 2: figure who I recall was a black guy who danced.
Speaker 2: That's all I know about him. But let me, let
Speaker 2: me look that up real fast. But it's it's a
Speaker 2: chicken joint in North Carolina that has spread out to
Speaker 2: some other parts of the South. And I had never
Speaker 2: heard of it until I moved to North Carolina. And
Speaker 2: it's not bad. It's good chicken. Uh, it's better fried chicken.
Speaker 6: I'm in Massachusetts. I haven't even heard of it. So
Speaker 6: that's why, like how I'm trying to remember, like is
Speaker 6: like my history bo Jangles. I always thought was some
Speaker 6: kind of blues artist, uh, from like the forties, like
Speaker 6: in the same vein of like BB King. But you're
Speaker 6: telling me it's a chicken joint in like the South East.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, okay, so his his Wikipedia reads like
Speaker 2: this and this is this is I told you off
Speaker 2: the top of my head, right who he was. But
Speaker 2: let's see, it looks like he uh let's see, Luther
Speaker 2: his real name was Bill Robinson, Okay, and uh, let's
Speaker 2: see it was an American tap dancer, actor, and singer,
Speaker 2: best known and most highly paid black entertainer in the
Speaker 2: United States during the first half of the twentieth century.
Speaker 2: So he was like, yeah, he was a guy from
Speaker 2: that time period. You're talking about he was actually born
Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy eight, so he's from the early part
Speaker 2: of the twentieth century. And he was like a tap
Speaker 2: dancer and singer and stuff like that. And I don't
Speaker 2: even know if his family has anything to do with
Speaker 2: the bo Jangles restaurant or what, but.
Speaker 6: I would hope so it's they're getting some kind of residuals.
Speaker 2: Well, ye who knows, because you know, they had a
Speaker 2: bunch of different places that were named after people at
Speaker 2: one point that they you know, like different things happened,
Speaker 2: like the baby Roof candy are right, you know, Babe
Speaker 2: Ruth's family tried to sue over that. I think they
Speaker 2: finally settled it after like I don't know, one hundred
Speaker 2: years of the candy bar being made with his family,
Speaker 2: but I mean they didn't really pay them. And there's
Speaker 2: been other people that have sort of just been the
Speaker 2: mascots or whatever, which is weird because, like I said,
Speaker 2: a lot of these things were very much regional, but
Speaker 2: then things have started to spread. And the reason why
Speaker 2: I called the Circle K the Walmart of the convenience
Speaker 2: stores is because Circle well Walmart was not in the
Speaker 2: Northeast at one point when I was a kid. I
Speaker 2: remember there was no Walmart. We had Kmart, we had
Speaker 2: coldor we had let me think, two guys, you know,
Speaker 2: and the stuff in the ball. Yeah, okay, Bradley's. We
Speaker 2: had stuff like that. But Walmart was like a new
Speaker 2: thing in like, I don't know, nineteen nineties may maybe
Speaker 2: it emerged sort of. I mean we could look that
Speaker 2: up too, but I know it came to the northeast
Speaker 2: then and it was like, well, this is huge in
Speaker 2: the South or somewhere, and I was like okay. And
Speaker 2: then next thing I knew is that Walmart was all
Speaker 2: the way across the country. And Circle K I'd never
Speaker 2: heard of again until the Bill and Ted movie They're
Speaker 2: Excellent Adventure. They were outside of the Circle K when
Speaker 2: George Carlin shows up in the phone booth, right, So
Speaker 2: I almost thought it was one of those fictional places,
Speaker 2: like you know, like what was the name of the
Speaker 2: burger joint in American Beauty, right, mister Happy Burger or
Speaker 2: something stupid or movies, yeah, or even well falling down right,
Speaker 2: he goes to wham Burger or whatever. Like a lot
Speaker 2: of Hollywood movies don't want to use real restaurants, so
Speaker 2: they make up something, which is a funky thing when
Speaker 2: you look at Come Up to America, because there actually
Speaker 2: was a guy that made up McDowell's. Yeah, that whole
Speaker 2: funky McDowell's controversy with McDonald's where the black guys got
Speaker 2: his McDowell's was like based on a real thing. It
Speaker 2: actually happened and yeah, and the guy like you know,
Speaker 2: Paramount Yeah, and it was like, but but it was
Speaker 2: based on a real thing where a guy actually opened
Speaker 2: up a restaurant before that movie and was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't have the Golden Arches. I have the Golden Arcs,
Speaker 2: you know, right, And oh it's not a big Mac,
Speaker 2: it's a big Mick, you know. And it was like, oh, dude,
Speaker 2: you know, come on man. But clearly it was based
Speaker 2: on that. But the thing is about this convenience store stuff.
Speaker 2: Like I loved Wah Wah being up in the Northeast.
Speaker 2: I thought it was great and I was thought of
Speaker 2: it as a Jersey thing, but it was in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: And the weird thing about that is that Turkey Hill
Speaker 2: had stores up in the northeast too, in Pennsylvania mainly,
Speaker 2: and the Turkey Hills store looked like a carbon copy
Speaker 2: of ah Wah Wah. It was exactly the same thing,
Speaker 2: except all the products that would be marked wahwah in
Speaker 2: a wah Wah were marked Turkey Hill. Like they're big things,
Speaker 2: iced tea and different different products whatever Turkey Hill makes.
Speaker 2: I know they make iced tea, ice cream, a few
Speaker 2: other things.
Speaker 6: But it was almost like a take on Cumberland Farms.
Speaker 2: Kind of sort of but see Cumberland Farms is another
Speaker 2: one that used to exist when when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and Krauser's was another one when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: These were convenience stores in the Northeast, but Krausers got
Speaker 2: like dissolved into a whole bunch of independence stores. I
Speaker 2: don't think they exist anymore. There was quick Check quick
Speaker 2: Checkers another one.
Speaker 4: Uh shouldn't there shouldn't be long before Chris's Bojangles up
Speaker 4: his way, because I mean what twenty twenty two they
Speaker 4: boat Angles opened ten locations in Jersey and they went north.
Speaker 4: They've opened in Vegas, moving east, and this last year
Speaker 4: they expanded into Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Weird, and they kicked them the hell out of making Georgia's.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that says, but they were they Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is Popeyees headquartered down there? Or they are they Atlanta?
Speaker 3: Or are they in Louisiana.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know where Popeyes. I would think
Speaker 2: would be in Louisiana, but you never know. Like I said,
Speaker 2: it's so strange to me that like subway comes from
Speaker 2: Connecticut and that that has continued to grow, because I
Speaker 2: would have thought that thing would have failed a long
Speaker 2: time ago. But it's so cheap and easy to buy,
Speaker 2: That's why. But otherwise, let me look up where what
Speaker 2: do you say, Popeyes? Where's their talk?
Speaker 4: Looking forwards? Now, let's see Louisiana kitchen ink? Yeah, out
Speaker 4: of New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Well, see that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Now they're headquartered in Miami.
Speaker 2: Now, okay, so they moved, Yeah, Miami funded.
Speaker 3: In seventy two in New Orleans and.
Speaker 2: Then right and and this again is the emergence of
Speaker 2: all these chicken places. I guarantee is post KFC's success,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, And that's a KFC's Louisville, Kentucky, right,
Speaker 2: pretty sure? Yeah, Yeah, that's right. But Miami, Miami's got
Speaker 2: a bunch of cores. Is it like Miami becoming like
Speaker 2: a big corporate center?
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, because of their taxes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is, right, it is.
Speaker 4: Texas and Florida. I mean they're going crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, you know anytime you give them a tax break.
Speaker 2: I mean that's why Amazon does what it does, because
Speaker 2: they go everywhere where they get a special deal, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's why the Amazon warehouses pop. We got those
Speaker 2: here in making because you know, if you can what about.
Speaker 5: What about truck?
Speaker 6: What about pizza Hut? Because I know pizza Hut was
Speaker 6: like a Midwest thing, but it was all over the
Speaker 6: Northeast when I was a kid. And uh, now you
Speaker 6: can't find a pizza Hut unless it's like a carry
Speaker 6: carry out kind of thing, and it's not really the same,
Speaker 6: Like you don't like the salad bar and the buffet
Speaker 6: and everything. It's literally it's very hard to find.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, they were hurt a lot of COVID hurt, a
Speaker 4: lot of KFC or Pizza Hut locations. We had two
Speaker 4: shut down in Lexington and the only thing left was
Speaker 4: to carry out. But that's the problem is they're having
Speaker 4: to compete against Papa John's and Domino's and Little Caesars
Speaker 4: and the sit down restaurant part of it started failing.
Speaker 4: You know, people will getting it delivered to the house.
Speaker 4: Why go to Pizza Hut, So that's part of them.
Speaker 4: And then COVID all damn near killed them.
Speaker 2: Well like COVID killed Chuck E Cheese and then Chuck
Speaker 2: E Cheese tried to rebrand itself with some other kind
Speaker 2: of pizza and you know, and that was laughable because
Speaker 2: who the hell was the chunky cheese for the pizza.
Speaker 4: So let's see, Yes, kfcity is still in Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, KFC Okay, I.
Speaker 6: Got checking Cheese was canceled way before the pandemic there, no,
Speaker 6: but see I thought so too, But no, that's really
Speaker 6: when it died.
Speaker 2: It actually went out of business. Funny thing about Pizza
Speaker 2: Hut is I know, and it was very very strange
Speaker 2: that I know this, but I know they were founded
Speaker 2: in Wichita, Kansas And yeah, Dad heard that. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I think they have since I'm looking now. See they're
Speaker 2: one of these ones that moved to Texas. Like BP
Speaker 2: was saying, because of the tax breaks, a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of these corporate headquarters migrated to either Texas
Speaker 2: or Florida.
Speaker 4: So bro and that's that's another problem for pieces of
Speaker 4: places like KFC and Pizza Hut. Not only is the
Speaker 4: competition getting harder, but you know they're not their own company. Now,
Speaker 4: KFC was bought by Young Brands, which also has oh crap,
Speaker 4: Burger King. I think Pizza Hut is in that group.
Speaker 4: So when you get one of these mega companies that
Speaker 4: buys several fast food joint Okay, well, we're gonna push
Speaker 4: Burger King this year. We've got these new ad promotions,
Speaker 4: We're going to try this new product, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And it's almost like, yeah, KFC, same company as Pizza
Speaker 4: Hut and Taco Bell. So it's hard sometimes on the
Speaker 4: corporate level you let your business go to pieces.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a shame.
Speaker 4: Pizza Hut and KFC were staples when I was growing up.
Speaker 2: You see. Now Pizza Hut would probably be dead though
Speaker 2: without those modulars because they lost their their in house
Speaker 2: restaurant thing. Like you said, during the pandemic. They were
Speaker 2: just gone. And I never understood why Pizza Hut existed
Speaker 2: in the Northeast, because we had better pizza everywhere. Pizza
Speaker 2: Hut was like pointless to me, you know, it was like,
Speaker 2: why are you going to buy that. It's me it
Speaker 2: costs more. I mean they had nicer restaurants, Like they
Speaker 2: had nicer booths than a lot of the you know, Itza.
Speaker 6: Used to have the best day and lunch bufe though,
Speaker 6: so the money to her family is great, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like pizza is.
Speaker 2: I never saw this buffet. I think Chris is the
Speaker 2: only person that ever mentioned it to me till you
Speaker 2: just mentioned it now, the Pizza Hut buffet. I never
Speaker 2: saw that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, man, yeah, two thousand and five. Like I
Speaker 6: would go to the Pizza Hut buffet and literally it
Speaker 6: was like nine dollars, like with the tip included, and
Speaker 6: you can pretty much, you know, get your fix. And
Speaker 6: it was it was pretty good. And I know people
Speaker 6: will you know, look down on me for you know,
Speaker 6: you know, being like maybe that was you know, like
Speaker 6: the poor the poor person's buffet, but it was serviceable
Speaker 6: and it was pretty good. In my opinion.
Speaker 3: Pizza buffets got me my wife in college.
Speaker 2: Dude, listen, I was more than happy to you know,
Speaker 2: what place I loved for buffet was the They called
Speaker 2: it the Chot And I don't know where that restaurant
Speaker 2: came from, but there was a couple of them in Jersey,
Speaker 2: and they were the first place I ever saw with
Speaker 2: like all you could eat, like you know, shrimp, cocktail, shrimps.
Speaker 2: They weren't like the biggest shrimp, but they weren't the
Speaker 2: smallest shrimp. But you had that and a few other
Speaker 2: things on there, like salad bar, so you could get
Speaker 2: like just the salad bar and eat all you want.
Speaker 2: And that to me was the best.
Speaker 4: So I'll be honest with you, that's like red Lobster.
Speaker 3: I will take I will.
Speaker 4: You know, take credit for putting them in the bankruptcy
Speaker 4: because when they had shrimp Fest going, it was so bad.
Speaker 3: I'm the manager of the one there in Hickory.
Speaker 4: He wad come in the door with my wife and
Speaker 4: he'd sit there and go, you know what, I'd do
Speaker 4: better to hand both of y'all fifty bucks and send
Speaker 4: you somewhere else because we would kill.
Speaker 3: Them tony bucks. All the shrimp you could eat. Then,
Speaker 3: I eat so much shrimp scampy, you could have squeezed.
Speaker 4: The garlic butter out of me.
Speaker 5: When I got home.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, you know what's funny is I'm looking up
Speaker 2: bread lobster because I was thinking to myself. Didn't they
Speaker 2: didn't they go out of business completely, but apparently now no.
Speaker 4: They they filed Chapter eleven, came out of it, and
Speaker 4: I've seen ads now on they're running ads back in
Speaker 4: this area.
Speaker 3: I've always loved red lobster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at this thing. They've got like a
Speaker 2: order ahead menu, which is really weird for my area,
Speaker 2: Like you got to order ahead, okay, and they've got this.
Speaker 2: Yeah they got deals though, they got but they almost
Speaker 2: put it, didn't. They almost put themselves out of business
Speaker 2: with was it a crab legs or was it trip?
Speaker 4: Well, they would have Crabfest and then they'd have lobster Fest,
Speaker 4: and then they'd have shrimp Fest, so one time during
Speaker 4: the year. Shrimp Fest was usually twice a year. It
Speaker 4: was all you could eat for a certain amount. You
Speaker 4: go in there and spend you know, twenty bucks a person,
Speaker 4: and hell, you'd end up eating seventy five dollars for seafood.
Speaker 4: I've kept them going, man. They finally got to me
Speaker 4: and said, well, you have to order. We'd like it
Speaker 4: if you'd order two orders at a time, just to
Speaker 4: make it eat here on our chefs. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: you'd be halfway through your first order and say, all right,
Speaker 4: two more, bring them out, let's go. You know, they
Speaker 4: walked up with the you know, the Cheddar bay biscuits.
Speaker 4: It's like, honey, put those in your purse. That's filler.
Speaker 3: We're not fucking with them. We're here to eat shrimp.
Speaker 2: Oh, but you've got to eat a cheddar baby biscuit.
Speaker 2: If you're a Red LOFs. You got at least.
Speaker 4: Although I have to commend them though, they had the
Speaker 4: coldest pewter I think they were pewter bowls for their salad.
Speaker 4: It was so cold that I would have to ask
Speaker 4: them for a room temperature bowl.
Speaker 3: It hurt my teeth so bad.
Speaker 2: Wow that cold.
Speaker 5: Wow Wow. See.
Speaker 2: Red Lobster was another place I was happy to I accidentally,
Speaker 2: it was so funny. I accidentally gave out the weirdest
Speaker 2: tip ever had a red Lobster. When I was taking
Speaker 2: a girl out on a date in high school, I
Speaker 2: accidentally I separated my money into two piles, and I
Speaker 2: had a tip amount, and I had the check amount,
Speaker 2: and I gave the tip. I gave the check amount
Speaker 2: to the to the waitress as a tip, so she
Speaker 2: got a hundred. She got one hundred percent tip.
Speaker 6: There was a score for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that was listen, you know. And I was
Speaker 2: like sitting there, like, no, I don't care, order what
Speaker 2: you want, and like, you know, we ordered the biggest
Speaker 2: meals we could. So, I mean we each ordered like, say,
Speaker 2: thirty dollars meals. This is a nineteen like nineteen ninety, right,
Speaker 2: so we ordered, you know, the biggest meals we could. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: get appetite. I don't care getting extra this whatever, like
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars bill and I had put it aside
Speaker 2: where I'm like, well, that's pretty easy if I give
Speaker 2: her twenty five and I give okay, So I pay
Speaker 2: the bill with one hundred and then I give her
Speaker 2: twenty five. I'm good. I go and walk up to
Speaker 2: pay the bill, and I realized I've still got the
Speaker 2: twenty five in my pocket, and I gave her the
Speaker 2: hundred and I went, oh boy, and she's like the
Speaker 2: girl I was with was like, are you gonna go
Speaker 2: get it back? And I'm like no, it's just.
Speaker 6: The case things didn't work out with the day, right exactly.
Speaker 6: The waitress go back.
Speaker 2: I'll go back and see the waitress later and be like, hey, honey, listen, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now, did you guys ever get into long John Silbers.
Speaker 2: See, I only ever saw one of those in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Did you have those where you were at?
Speaker 3: We?
Speaker 5: We had them in h New England.
Speaker 2: I know, I know you had them in New England,
Speaker 2: but I only ever saw one in Jersey.
Speaker 4: I think we had one in Hicky and I want
Speaker 4: to see there was definitely want a couple in Charlotte, Okay.
Speaker 4: And then I'm trying to think anywhere else I've lived.
Speaker 4: I think there was one in Greenville for a while.
Speaker 4: Maybe wrong about that Greenville, but they were more fast
Speaker 4: food seafood than you know, sit down like you would
Speaker 4: have read lobster or something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It was almost like a sonic Yeah, well you know they.
Speaker 4: They were the first ones come out with like popcorn,
Speaker 4: shrimp and stuff from it, you know, for lunch. It
Speaker 4: was quick to pop in there. It was in a
Speaker 4: In fact, it was at the Walmart I think in Hickory.
Speaker 4: See there in and get lunch on thirty minutes and
Speaker 4: still have time to go do something.
Speaker 2: The one town I lived in, uh in uh is
Speaker 2: for Cood River. There was a combination Kenny Rogers Roasters.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. By the way, Nathan's hot Dogs and
Speaker 2: Long John Silvers in one building. Okay, that was like
Speaker 2: this one stop shop for don't I don't know who
Speaker 2: decided to put these three together, but it was the
Speaker 2: weirdest thing because it was like the three most unpopular
Speaker 2: fast food joints decided to unify in the one building
Speaker 2: in this one town. And I'm like, so that that's
Speaker 2: the only place I saw the Long John Silvers. And
Speaker 2: then after a while it became an Arthur Treachery I
Speaker 2: heard of that.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Arthur Treacher was like basically, I think like a
Speaker 2: Long John Silvers pretty much. I mean, they probably didn't
Speaker 2: even have to change much, but the signage, you know,
Speaker 2: and it was like it was like the same thing.
Speaker 2: And Nathan, Yeah it was weird.
Speaker 6: And Arthur True or Gary Kleaner Fosters.
Speaker 5: The same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I never saw that. Well we all have
Speaker 2: you ever?
Speaker 6: Did you have shones like around there? You know, the
Speaker 6: Andy Griffiths restaurant shoes?
Speaker 2: But down south, you know, the only place I've seen
Speaker 2: shoes is on Rick and Morty. I've never seen a show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you know that as of.
Speaker 4: Last year. In April, there's only two author treachers left
Speaker 4: in the US.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't see. There you go.
Speaker 4: There's some chips.
Speaker 3: Yeah, named that for some British guy. Okay, I think
Speaker 3: I've seen that logo.
Speaker 8: He was like an actor or something, right, Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: No idea why to hell you know, fish and chips
Speaker 2: except the English.
Speaker 3: There's two of them, and that's U Northeastern Northeast Ohio.
Speaker 2: There you go. But like I said, it's really weird
Speaker 2: to watch, like, you know, after a while, like every
Speaker 2: town ends up with a McDonald's and a Burger King,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But these other things that
Speaker 2: have gone on, it's it's like weird switching. And I
Speaker 2: was trying to tell you, I don't know, did I
Speaker 2: mention this already that I read somewhere that that circle
Speaker 2: K was trying to buy seven eleven out which way.
Speaker 4: You mean, it's going to be tough because seven eleven
Speaker 4: just fought Speedway last year or so or a year
Speaker 4: and a half ago. So it's gonna be a tough
Speaker 4: acquisition to buy seven eleven.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, it depends on how it
Speaker 2: works out, because you know, much like with the weird
Speaker 2: thing that went on with the fast food restaurants. Like
Speaker 2: a few years back, they had this thing where it
Speaker 2: was like Coke and Pepsi were backing different restaurants, and
Speaker 2: so that was the competition for a little bit. Like
Speaker 2: there's a reason why you get a Dorito's Loco taco
Speaker 2: at you know, Taco Bell, right, because they're in bed
Speaker 2: with the Pepsi people, who are also in bed with
Speaker 2: the Dorito people. It's all the same company. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you know that's why you get your your Baja Blast
Speaker 2: used to only be available at what do you call it?
Speaker 2: At Taco Bill right, Yeah, yeah, I remember that because
Speaker 2: Mountain is a Pepsi product. But anyway, why are we
Speaker 2: into this whole la?
Speaker 6: I don't know how we got into this, right, I
Speaker 6: brought a pizza hut in all these like defunt places.
Speaker 2: But it's fun to think about Friendly's.
Speaker 6: There was another one in the northeast that's almost gone.
Speaker 2: Now, Oh that's too bad.
Speaker 4: I did not know this, but Circle K is actually
Speaker 4: owned by Canadian company. Yeah. They started in Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 4: started in Texas. They're headquartered in Tempe, Arizona. They're owned
Speaker 4: by Alimentation Couche tard Inc. Based in the volt Quebec.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: They were founded in nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2: Wow, Like I said, the first time I ever heard
Speaker 2: of them. They were in that Bill and Ted movie, right,
Speaker 2: and they were in what was it, San Dimas, California? Right,
Speaker 2: wasn't it the Uh yeah it was yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: so what the hell is the circle? Okay? Like I said,
Speaker 2: I thought they made it up, but it turned out
Speaker 2: it was a real place, you know where.
Speaker 6: They brought it back for the third movie too, Like
Speaker 6: the third movie, like during the pandemic that came out
Speaker 6: like kind of like they brought okay back in the
Speaker 6: parking lot you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bill and Ted die or something, right, they
Speaker 2: like absolutely get killed.
Speaker 6: No, it was like they're they were trying to do
Speaker 6: a tnaciously where like they created the best song on
Speaker 6: the planet or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, okay, yeah, No, I read something about this
Speaker 2: like it turns out it's their kids that do the
Speaker 2: great music or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was horrible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I give it a shot. But I.
Speaker 4: Did not know this. Seven eleven is actually owned by
Speaker 4: a holding company in Japan, and that's why they do
Speaker 4: so well in Japan. They've got it's like it's like
Speaker 4: seven eleven. Japan bought the American issue of it. It
Speaker 4: started in Dallas. Well that was years ago. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Well that was so and I know that that was
Speaker 2: Southland Corporation. And that was the interesting thing about Jesse Curry,
Speaker 2: who was the chief of police in Dallas at the
Speaker 2: time of the Kennedy assassination. He wound up working security
Speaker 2: for Southland Corporation when he retired from the police force.
Speaker 2: And that's why his book was only available in seven elevens.
Speaker 4: That's why he were able his book, the first one
Speaker 4: he put out.
Speaker 2: Ye, now that you mentioned it.
Speaker 3: My parents bought it at a seven eleven in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Because that's the only place they could buy it, and
Speaker 2: that was the only place that sold it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I got a great slushy at the seven
Speaker 6: eleven down the street from Jilly Plaza.
Speaker 3: That'll be one hundred years old in two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, b Pete and I had to take a long
Speaker 2: walk around to go to a seven eleven in Dallas,
Speaker 2: and we were staying at that ridiculous hotel. When we
Speaker 2: went to Dallas, we were at the Artsy Hotels. The
Speaker 2: hotel with the paint brushes in a frame on the
Speaker 2: ceiling that place. But for some reason, we had to
Speaker 2: walk like two miles to get to a place that
Speaker 2: was a quarter mile away because everything was fenced off
Speaker 2: or something. Right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Could have hit it with a good tea shot from
Speaker 4: the from the front of the hotel, put it really good.
Speaker 3: You know, tea shot with a baseball. Yeah, I'd put
Speaker 3: it through through the roof. But it just kills me.
Speaker 5: I fall.
Speaker 3: We had to walk around to get to the damn thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's thirty minute walk at least.
Speaker 2: That was crazy. He was like, look, I'm hungry. The
Speaker 2: hotel has got nothing, and I don't want to give
Speaker 2: him any money. Anyway, Where's there's got to be a comedian.
Speaker 2: It's there near here. Yeah, it's seven to eleven, like
Speaker 2: quarter mile away.
Speaker 5: Oh great, and that's probably the one I was at.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Well, I don't think it was new.
Speaker 6: When I was in Dallas like three years ago or
Speaker 6: whatever it was. I literally had to I had to
Speaker 6: park my car in the Walmart parking lot like two
Speaker 6: miles away.
Speaker 3: See I remember that.
Speaker 2: Okay, there was one that was near what what is
Speaker 2: the name of that hotel. You know, they used to
Speaker 2: hold the conferences at like this much nicer hotel and
Speaker 2: now were The new place there they're into now is
Speaker 2: much better and I'm looking forward to going back there.
Speaker 2: It's got a whole mall inside of it. What sucks
Speaker 2: is they close it over the weekend, so it's not
Speaker 2: really that helpful for us. But it's not as close
Speaker 2: to Dealey Plaza as the one that was right down
Speaker 2: the street from. Two things interesting, the cable cio and
Speaker 2: the Greyhound bus terminal are right there, and there's a
Speaker 2: seven eleven like on the block over from the hotel
Speaker 2: that I stayed at. I know that because that's where
Speaker 2: I was going like in between because I needed cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Somehow my cigarettes got lost. I had to run into there,
Speaker 2: and it was only a block away from where they
Speaker 2: had the twenty seventeen Lancer conference. So what was the hotel?
Speaker 2: I can't even think of it.
Speaker 6: Anyway, I couldn't afford any of the hotels or motels
Speaker 6: that were in the area. And I knew that if
Speaker 6: I parked at the Walmart parking lot, people wouldn't you know,
Speaker 6: the cops wouldn't be mess with me or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I've only been able to split the
Speaker 2: cost of a room once, so honestly, otherwise, the only
Speaker 2: time I've been there is when somebody else is paid
Speaker 2: for my room. I can't, right, right, I can't do it.
Speaker 2: It's it's expensive, man. And plus they put a they
Speaker 2: put like a tourist tax on everything too.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I know it was.
Speaker 6: And I think Robert Rodin was out. He was out
Speaker 6: in front of the pergola or whatever you want to
Speaker 6: call it. You know, he's trying to hawk his his
Speaker 6: book or his DVD's or whatever. And I really wish
Speaker 6: I had the money to buy whatever he was hawking
Speaker 6: at the time, but I just couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand this past year he was inside with us,
Speaker 2: but I think everything he had he was charging one
Speaker 2: hundred bucks for, you know. Yeah, yeah, so you know,
Speaker 2: it just was what it was. And meanwhile, I don't
Speaker 2: know how many he sold, but it couldn't have been
Speaker 2: that many, because I mean, we weren't. It was not
Speaker 2: a good year for merchandise last year. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: I mean, did you notice there, you.
Speaker 6: Know, the the perch, the so called perch the Zuppruter
Speaker 6: was on with his secretary or whatever. Did you notice
Speaker 6: that they removed that?
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't removed. That was there.
Speaker 5: I was there last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was there last year.
Speaker 6: You know. I thought it was removed when I was
Speaker 6: there like three years ago.
Speaker 2: See, I heard that story from somebody else, and like
Speaker 2: I asked somebody who was in the area to check,
Speaker 2: and they said, no, it's still there. I said, okay,
Speaker 2: but I've been back there twice since the first time
Speaker 2: I heard that, and each time it's there. I mean,
Speaker 2: if they took it out, they put it back, because
Speaker 2: when I was there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't explain it. Yeah, I curseworn it was gone. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because I wanted to film something with my cell phone
Speaker 6: and it wasn't there. So it's kind of goofy that
Speaker 6: they would put it back. Or maybe I don't know,
Speaker 6: like maybe someone slipped me some psychedelics that I was
Speaker 6: aware of.
Speaker 5: Well, did you did.
Speaker 2: You see the did you see the plaque that described
Speaker 2: because there's a like a plaque there that explained Sabruter
Speaker 2: stood here and this and that. Did you see that? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I did see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that should be.
Speaker 2: Right by the one of two pedestals that looked kind
Speaker 2: of the same and right there should be his pedestal.
Speaker 2: But every time I've been there, it's been there. Despite
Speaker 2: the fact that that what was it last year we
Speaker 2: had q A non stop traffic on Elm Street for
Speaker 2: a minute, I still can't explain that that was the
Speaker 2: weirdest thing. They all just got together and held their
Speaker 2: hands and stopped traffic like right at the moment of
Speaker 2: silence that was going on.
Speaker 6: Well, shucka like back in the day, like do you
Speaker 6: remember in your research do you remember hearing all the
Speaker 6: stories about how Villas Plazo was basically people were taking
Speaker 6: out like the bullet fragments like with tippet and everything
Speaker 6: in the curb and the whole thing with the manhole
Speaker 6: cover or whatever like in the replacing the sign.
Speaker 5: Do you remember all that.
Speaker 2: Stuff or well, I know this a bunch of things
Speaker 2: in Dealey Plaza people just like took as souvenirs. And
Speaker 2: for a little while there was a bit of a
Speaker 2: menace where people were taking chips off of the book
Speaker 2: depository building too. You can still find them floating on
Speaker 2: the internet. People will actually sell you a piece of
Speaker 2: the book depository building and they took almost all the
Speaker 2: boards off of the picket fence. None of those are
Speaker 2: original at this point. I mean, there might be a
Speaker 2: handful of them that are, but realistically, the people took
Speaker 2: most of those boards home. People were taking all kinds
Speaker 2: of things from there, you know, before they turned it
Speaker 2: into like a park area. People just did what they wanted.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of anybody taking the manhole cover away,
Speaker 2: but I heard about the sign being moved. I heard
Speaker 2: all these different things. I don't know what to make
Speaker 2: of all of it exactly, you know, because I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: trivia question time surveyors. What was the pergola on.
Speaker 4: The grass and knole? Who was it named after?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I should know this too.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a honor. Starts with the bea.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I knew this.
Speaker 4: I named after John Neely Bryan, who was a lawyer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: uh in Dallas.
Speaker 3: And fact his.
Speaker 4: Is that his log cabin Yeah, replicause of John Neely
Speaker 4: Brian's cabin Founder's Plaza, Dallas, Texas. So he uh, just
Speaker 4: a little bit of trivia fling out there. Everybody talks
Speaker 4: about the portal of it. Well, nobody ever says.
Speaker 6: That Brian ever heard BPTE have you ever heard the
Speaker 6: story about the glass being taken out of the sixth
Speaker 6: floor the book compository.
Speaker 3: The window was enough so good?
Speaker 2: Who had it? Allegedly, Bird I think had the whole windows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whole thing was for me.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I always sound that to be very strange.
Speaker 6: Well maybe it's a stranger at all, but like, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I I heard it. It was almost like a like
Speaker 6: a trophy kind of thing. I know that may be
Speaker 6: controversial to say.
Speaker 2: But yeah no, some people have said that, and some
Speaker 2: people have said that. I I don't know how to
Speaker 2: you know, how to respond to that except to say
Speaker 2: that like a lot of pieces of that plaza were
Speaker 2: removed by different people for different reasons, and that guy
Speaker 2: owned the building, so there was no detection of it,
Speaker 2: and it was just a historical spot that he could
Speaker 2: do what he wanted with because he owned it. It's
Speaker 2: even earlier, like when you watch the JFK movie, right,
Speaker 2: and they're they're sitting there and they're supposed to be
Speaker 2: on the sixth floor. They're not on the sixth floor.
Speaker 2: I think they're on the fifth floor, the floor below him.
Speaker 2: And it's just this whole weird thing because at that
Speaker 2: time in ninety one, they were starting, uh to like
Speaker 2: you know, put it back together, uh, to actually create
Speaker 2: the Sixth Floor Museum, which would come later. I forget when.
Speaker 2: I guess should look up when that was founded, actually,
Speaker 2: because I bet you that would explain some of that.
Speaker 6: I think some of the production budget for Oliver stones
Speaker 6: movie like went towards restoring the upper upper floor. Like
Speaker 6: I could be wrong, but.
Speaker 2: Well, I know they paid to restore like the grounds
Speaker 2: a bit and like some of the uh, some of
Speaker 2: the you know, the rubbery and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I know they did that. Yeah, when was the Sixth
Speaker 2: Floor Museum founded? I'm going to find that out.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if it was nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 6: around the release.
Speaker 5: Of the movie.
Speaker 6: That could be wrong. I'm probably wrong, but.
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 6: Because up until that point, no one was really like,
Speaker 6: besides you know, hardcore researchers, no one was really that
Speaker 6: invested in the JFK assassination at the time. Right, because
Speaker 6: when Oliver Stone's movie came out, it kind of reinvigorated
Speaker 6: the public nineteen eighty interest.
Speaker 4: And February twenty of nineteen eighty nine, when it was established, right, but.
Speaker 2: They didn't reopen it for a while because they started
Speaker 2: the refurbishment. But that that whole thing, that's part of
Speaker 2: it though, because Stone did put some money into it,
Speaker 2: into the plaza to have it sort of you know,
Speaker 2: put back the way it was historically as best they
Speaker 2: could tell. And they were doing that with like Groden's photographs,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Going, okay, now, the museum.
Speaker 4: The museum actually opened President's State February twenty and nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Well it says it was founded, which was President's Day.
Speaker 2: It opened as a museum to chronicle the assassination of
Speaker 2: the museum. I don't think they were done with it yet.
Speaker 2: Let me see.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm sure they've been doing stuff to it
Speaker 4: since then. Yeah, but I mean they actually opened up.
Speaker 6: So that's about like approximately like two and a half
Speaker 6: years maybe before the release of the film. It makes sense.
Speaker 2: Something like that, like when they were filming it would
Speaker 2: have been when the money when they couldn't have money
Speaker 2: into it, Yeah, exactly. So yeah, JFK. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it was filmed mostly in nineteen ninety but let me
Speaker 2: see here, film from April from April fifteenth to July
Speaker 2: thirty first, nineteen ninety one. Okay, and it was released
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one. All right, I'm a little off.
Speaker 6: There were they still filming in nineteen ninety one, because
Speaker 6: I thought they would have had a final cut by
Speaker 6: early nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 5: No, it's gotty wrong.
Speaker 2: No, it says, well, I'm just reading what it says.
Speaker 2: According to this, the movie JFK, directed by Oliver Stone,
Speaker 2: was filmed from April fifteenth to July thirty first, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one.
Speaker 5: Really, that's what it says.
Speaker 6: Wow, okay, all right, Well, and.
Speaker 2: It was released later on that year.
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, No, I always had the assumption that JFK
Speaker 6: was released like in the fall.
Speaker 5: Of nineteen ninety one, but.
Speaker 4: It was a Christmas movie that was released December twentieth.
Speaker 2: There you go. And I'm looking at you know, the
Speaker 2: different places where they filmed and when they did it,
Speaker 2: and Dealey Plaza they filmed. Let's see, I'll see.
Speaker 3: Budget was forty million.
Speaker 4: He took in two hundred and five point four million
Speaker 4: at the box office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they filmed, Okay, they filmed in Washington, d C. Briefly,
Speaker 2: they filmed in Fort Worth, Texas, New Orleans, Louisiana, Arlington
Speaker 2: National Cemetery Course and in Dealey Plaza. So there's the
Speaker 2: filming locations and the filming dates. April fifteen, nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: one to July thirty, first, nineteen that's pretty quick bit
Speaker 2: of production there for yeah, as much as he.
Speaker 6: Had, especially back in the day.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's a lot to get done in
Speaker 2: let's see, you know, fourth month to the seventh month,
Speaker 2: three months really four months total, you know at most,
Speaker 2: because you're talking the middle of April, so you get
Speaker 2: through April and then you go May, June, July. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's only.
Speaker 3: Well, one of the reasons that they shot and that
Speaker 3: they shot.
Speaker 4: On such a heavy schedule was apparently when he wanted
Speaker 4: to recreate the assassination in Daley Plaza, they had to
Speaker 4: pay the Dallas City Council a huge lot of money
Speaker 4: to hire the police, a move route, traffic and everything,
Speaker 4: and he only had ten days to shoot all the footage.
Speaker 4: So he just swarmed the place with cameras.
Speaker 2: He had.
Speaker 4: Seven cameras and fourteen film stocks sitting there just to
Speaker 4: save time.
Speaker 2: Plus, I know, he had to hire the duplicate limousine,
Speaker 2: which was another cost and that guy used to charge
Speaker 2: him low fifty thousand.
Speaker 4: It cost fifty thousand just to put someone in the
Speaker 4: window from which Oswald was supposed to have shot Kennedy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because they only had certain hours, yep, they could only
Speaker 4: see They were allowed to film at that location only
Speaker 4: between certain hours with only five people on the floor
Speaker 4: at one time.
Speaker 3: So it was the camera crew, the actor and Oliver Stone.
Speaker 6: And they also were utilizing different film stocks like eight milimeters,
Speaker 6: sixteen millimeter, thirty two milimeter to get all these different
Speaker 6: damage points. At the time too, you had to get
Speaker 6: Gary Olman in there as Lee Harvey, right, and they
Speaker 6: had to close off all at Elm Street, Main Street, Houston.
Speaker 2: When you see but when you see Garrison on the
Speaker 2: you know where he's saying he's on the sixth floor.
Speaker 2: He's not on the sixth floor. He's on the fifth floor.
Speaker 2: Because I remember that from the director's commentary which was
Speaker 2: made contemporaneous with the film. It was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: why doesn't that And I knew it didn't look right
Speaker 2: because there's a different shape to the windows, and I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there like, why doesn't this look right to me?
Speaker 2: I couldn't figure it out back then, and then I
Speaker 2: heard the director's commentary. He's like, because he's on the
Speaker 2: fifth floor. That's why there's a minor difference.
Speaker 6: You know, I did something. I did something I wasn't
Speaker 6: supposed to do when I when I visited Dallas, I
Speaker 6: actually turned my my cell phone on and started videotaping
Speaker 6: when because they prohibit you from videoing around the sniper's nest,
Speaker 6: and I started videotaping anyway, I'm telling you, dude, like,
Speaker 6: would that tree like I don't know, Like maybe I
Speaker 6: could be wrong, but would that tree in the way
Speaker 6: and everything? He couldn't have made this?
Speaker 2: You know, Well, I don't know. I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. You know, I've been through this
Speaker 2: a few different ways, and I got to tell you
Speaker 2: I look at it, and when I look at the
Speaker 2: the FBI recreation, which it gives you the best look
Speaker 2: at what the foliage should have looked like. Then, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, because it's only a couple of weeks after
Speaker 2: when they did their recreation, their first one, which is
Speaker 2: on a silent film. You can get it at the
Speaker 2: National Archives if you request it. It's I don't know,
Speaker 2: I feel like I could make that shot with a
Speaker 2: decent weapon. Now with a bad scope, then you have
Speaker 2: the concern about the iron sights. But it doesn't explain
Speaker 2: all the shots. It still doesn't, you know, could he
Speaker 2: have scored the back shot though I think he could have.
Speaker 6: Well, he's gonna throw the man liquer carcane because originally
Speaker 6: it was a German nauser. I still claim. I cling
Speaker 6: to that that detail. People forget about that it wasn't
Speaker 6: the weapon that they said it was like originally, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, even weirder than that is there is a man
Speaker 2: liquor on you know, carcano on the Alier film. But
Speaker 2: I don't know, the sling doesn't look right. See, every
Speaker 2: time I look at this thing, it makes me nuts
Speaker 2: trying to figure out that weapon because every time I
Speaker 2: turn around, whether it's you know, whether it's what's his
Speaker 2: name carrying it through the hallway holding it up, or
Speaker 2: it's you know, them supposedly finding it and Alier's filming
Speaker 2: and throwing his film out the window. Uh, and all
Speaker 2: that you're getting different weapons. And also it doesn't match
Speaker 2: what he ordered, even if you assume that the that
Speaker 2: the order form was his and you know, and he's
Speaker 2: getting the uh, the the a high del you know,
Speaker 2: stuff and everything else. That's not the weapon he ordered.
Speaker 2: That's not what's in evidence, which is weird.
Speaker 6: Wasn't there another wasn't there another weapon like on the
Speaker 6: roof of the building that was uh British, right or whatever.
Speaker 2: But he also found well they had that, they had
Speaker 2: this the Endfield rifle was taken taking it. There was
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff going on because yeah, you
Speaker 2: got the Dallas Cinema Associates film, they show him taking
Speaker 2: a completely different rifle away from the school book depository.
Speaker 2: Nobody can explain that still because that doesn't even show
Speaker 2: upon the evidence sheet. And again, yeah, people said it
Speaker 2: was you know, okay, well maybe I meant it was
Speaker 2: that style rifle or whatever. The whole point is it
Speaker 2: says clearly on it that it's made in Italy. So
Speaker 2: I don't understand, you know, I don't understand most of
Speaker 2: what's going on. But also Roger Craig's not telling the
Speaker 2: truth because he's in the film. Really yeah, because he's
Speaker 2: in the film. This is what kills me about Roger
Speaker 2: Craig and people that support him, is he's in the
Speaker 2: Alier film. He's in the search of the book depository
Speaker 2: and guess what, that's not a German rifle in that film.
Speaker 2: So he's standing a few Yeah, the Alia film, they
Speaker 2: just go on YouTube. Uh, Tom Aliego was Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: the one who filmed the search allegedly in the Uh
Speaker 2: you know, some people say, oh, it was recreated or
Speaker 2: this or that, but they sealed the book depository and
Speaker 2: searched it, right, you're aware that part of the story.
Speaker 2: So there is the TV the TV film. The TV
Speaker 2: cameraman is in there filming stuff. He throws his film
Speaker 2: out the window to get it down to the guys
Speaker 2: to bring it to the station, and they did show
Speaker 2: part of it. But the whole Alia film, you take
Speaker 2: a look at it, that is it's it's the carcano,
Speaker 2: but it's not the same carcano. I think that's in
Speaker 2: evidence one two. Craig is there and it's clearly not
Speaker 2: a German mouser. So you know, he can say whatever
Speaker 2: he wants to say about what he saw, but you
Speaker 2: can see him in the film a few feet away.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like dip shoot, I know, you know
Speaker 6: I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2: And the other one, yeah, well another port you can
Speaker 2: see Craig on is I forget who's who actually caught it.
Speaker 2: But he does the search of the parking lot, you know,
Speaker 2: next to the book depository, between where the rail yard
Speaker 2: tower is and like where all those cars are part.
Speaker 2: He's searching through there, looking around. But he ends up
Speaker 2: in the book depository too, So he was there.
Speaker 6: Because he's the he's the guy that's always talking about
Speaker 6: he saw Oswald like leaving in a.
Speaker 2: Rambler, right, that's the other thing he says, Oh, I
Speaker 2: saw him run down the hill and get into a
Speaker 2: station wagon basically leave. And that doesn't that doesn't go
Speaker 2: along with the official story the bus ticket that that
Speaker 2: Oswald had in his pocket with a transfer for no reason.
Speaker 2: He got off of that because it got stuck in
Speaker 2: trap exposedly and then he takes the taxi and all that.
Speaker 2: But that makes no sense if he ran across the grassy, no,
Speaker 2: and what got into a station wagon? You know?
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, because I'm going on what Steve Cameron was
Speaker 6: talking about like years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I get it, I get it. It's
Speaker 2: just that if you take Craig at face value, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but you gotta look at just look at the films
Speaker 2: he's in that's all I'm saying. And he's there, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna check it out.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen the films you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the Alia. It's spelled A L y
Speaker 2: e A or something like that. I could look him
Speaker 2: up real fast, but that's the name of the photographer
Speaker 2: and it's generally referred to as the Alier film. But
Speaker 2: let me just make sure.
Speaker 6: Okay, don't want to check that out, Chuck, Chuck, just
Speaker 6: out of curiosity, what is your thoughts on like the
Speaker 6: whole German Bowser thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they took several people and several weapons
Speaker 2: into custody, but they don't want to cop to all
Speaker 2: of them. And the three the endfield is funny because
Speaker 2: that's probably what do you call it, uh buill Wesley
Speaker 2: Frasier's weapon, and they were they were telling him, Hey,
Speaker 2: you're screwed because you took this guy to work and
Speaker 2: you know we're gonna bust you too.
Speaker 6: On the roof right.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know where they got it from, but
Speaker 2: they took his weapon, the endfield.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they he had to turn it in when
Speaker 4: he showed up at the police department. They wanted to
Speaker 4: see his rifle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, immediately they wanted to see his weapon, and that
Speaker 2: was the only one he had. I think that was
Speaker 2: that was of that type, you know, a long gun.
Speaker 4: You want to be in his situation. They're trying to
Speaker 4: pin an accomplished wrap on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that's that. That's honestly, that's how I
Speaker 2: account for a lot of his changes in his story
Speaker 2: and everything else.
Speaker 4: THATSS well, I.
Speaker 2: Kind of would be. I mean, look, if you and I,
Speaker 2: you and I went to a city together, okay, and
Speaker 2: they arrested me and told you, hey, listen, I know
Speaker 2: you were driving this guy and he took a shot
Speaker 2: at Trump. We're gonna blame you. You're gonna be like, uh,
Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with it, and I don't
Speaker 2: know what the hell you're talking about. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I was just driving the guy. That's
Speaker 2: what you would say, and you'd be right. But they'll
Speaker 2: they'll they'll jam you up. W f A a TV reporter,
Speaker 2: they describe him as Tom Aljay. I thought I always
Speaker 2: thought it was Alia, but I could be.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I knew a guy in the military. He had the
Speaker 4: same last name. When we pronounced Olia.
Speaker 2: You know, some people have the same last name, pronounce
Speaker 2: it different too. I mean, you know, I forget who
Speaker 2: who like was in the case. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: there was a weird case of that where it was
Speaker 2: like people were, oh, I know what it was the
Speaker 2: FBI agent. Everybody had called him Siebert for years. Uh,
Speaker 2: and it's cyber right, that's the way to actually pronounce
Speaker 2: his name. And he would get irritated if he called
Speaker 2: him Siebert by the way, Sebert O'Neil, the two that
Speaker 2: were the FBI witnesses in the in the autopsy. But al, yeah,
Speaker 2: you spelled a L y e A. That's the way
Speaker 2: your friend's name was spelled. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: How do you tell you're talking about the FBI guy
Speaker 6: that picked up a bullet from the lag and put
Speaker 6: it in his pocket. Heard that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and that's funny too because is Mark Oaks
Speaker 2: did a really good piece on that, And I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's available on the internet because it was
Speaker 2: a VHS tape at one point, and I think it
Speaker 2: might have made it to DVD, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's existed. After that, he did something called the
Speaker 2: Mystery FBI Man, and it's funny because we talked about
Speaker 2: Jesse Curry's book earlier. That's where he first got a
Speaker 2: notion about this guy picking up the bullets. He saw
Speaker 2: the photographs in Jesse Curry's book, Mark Oaks, and then
Speaker 2: he went and tried to track it down and wounded
Speaker 2: up confronting Gimberling and all this other stuff because he
Speaker 2: thought it was Robert Oh God, I can't remember the
Speaker 2: guy's name. But he showed him a picture. He said,
Speaker 2: is this the guy? And the guy kind of says yes,
Speaker 2: and then he gets pissed at him and meets him
Speaker 2: at some form somewhere and starts yelling at him, which
Speaker 2: which Mark recorded also and included on the on the
Speaker 2: on the VHS tape. But it was a great VHS tape.
Speaker 2: I really missed the fact that that might still be
Speaker 2: in my my Jersey uh storage, that tape. I hope
Speaker 2: it is. It was a great one.
Speaker 6: Those pictures originated in that newsletter. Who is the guy
Speaker 6: that was investigating it.
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about newsletter, You're talking about Penn Jones newsletter.
Speaker 2: But it was the original.
Speaker 6: Those photographs were originally in there right now.
Speaker 2: They were originally taken by a local newspaper. There was
Speaker 2: a pair two photographers that work together and I can't
Speaker 2: remember their names now, but there were two photographers that
Speaker 2: work together for a local newspaper and it wasn't the
Speaker 2: Morning News, and they took those pictures and if you checked,
Speaker 2: I think Jesse Curry actually credits him with it in
Speaker 2: the book. But but nobody knows who this guy is
Speaker 2: picking up this bullet is the point in Jesse Curry's book.
Speaker 2: And like I said, Oaks tracked it down and he
Speaker 2: had it down to somebody named Robert Something.
Speaker 6: I had the name at one point. I got to
Speaker 6: look back into where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something real basic though. Yeah, let's see Mark,
Speaker 2: the Oaks prone figure Jacobs community know for.
Speaker 6: Because I think the same FBI agent has some kind
Speaker 6: of device in his pocket that remember Hicks, Hicks was
Speaker 6: photographed having some kind of walkie talkie type thing.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to look at. I'm trying to look up
Speaker 2: something about this right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, I yeah, it's all coming back to
Speaker 6: me now. Yeah, I had the guy's name at one point.
Speaker 6: It was around the time that I was doing research
Speaker 6: with Who's the guy Bob? Bob He used to produce
Speaker 6: this show.
Speaker 2: Bob Wilson, Bob Wilson.
Speaker 6: See, I've removed him from my brain.
Speaker 4: I can't even remember.
Speaker 6: But it was around that time I was going back
Speaker 6: and forth with him on Facebook and uh we, uh
Speaker 6: we we were talking about those photographs and uh not
Speaker 6: only was this guy named Hicks, he had some kind
Speaker 6: of like walkie talkie in his back pocket, which was
Speaker 6: you know, he was photographed, but also the dark complex
Speaker 6: complexion man or whatever. The guy that was standing next
Speaker 6: to the umbrella guy, he had walkie TALKI two.
Speaker 2: They were saying they saw two of him sticking out
Speaker 2: of his uh yeah, out of his back pocket and whatever.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 6: But the guy that picked up the bullet in the lawn,
Speaker 6: he had a walkie talkie too. I think in one
Speaker 6: of those photographs.
Speaker 2: Could be I'm looking at anyway, I'm looking at the clip.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is I see a clip of
Speaker 2: Mark Oak's original video is up on Vince Palmyra's YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: But well, let me see if I can find out. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do we got here?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay, I just stopped. I was trying to play an
Speaker 2: audio there and you were talking, so I didn't understand
Speaker 2: any of what just happened. No, what you say? Good?
Speaker 6: No, I just said Vince PALMERA. He was like, he
Speaker 6: was the expert on the Secret Service detail, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he pretty much knows more about the Secret Service
Speaker 2: than pretty much anybody I can think of. Yeah, regard this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let me see something.
Speaker 10: Also, in a telephone interview with Deputy Sheriff oul man Ox,
Speaker 10: he told me that a bullet was picked up on
Speaker 10: the south side of Elm Street and reiterated the same
Speaker 10: at dinner before our present at the JFK Assassination and
Speaker 10: Information Center in Dallas. This is a photo of Deputy
Speaker 10: Sheriff Al Maddox standing behind Lieutenant Day on November twenty second,
Speaker 10: nineteen sixty three, and through his help, he put me
Speaker 10: in touch with a well known FBI agent who does
Speaker 10: not want his name mentioned, and who told me who
Speaker 10: this mystery man was. At this point, my friend and
Speaker 10: colleague Stan Surzon worked with me step first step in
Speaker 10: locating this man, and we virtually acquired the.
Speaker 2: Information at the same time.
Speaker 10: The name that the FBI agent gave me without hesitation
Speaker 10: was Dallas Special Agent Robert at Barrett.
Speaker 6: He had worked on several commission exhibits.
Speaker 2: Here you go, it's Barrett. That's who it was, Robert Barrett. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's who he said it was. And he goes through
Speaker 2: a whole thing where he's trying to compare photographs, asking
Speaker 2: other FBA eye people all kinds of things in this
Speaker 2: UH presentation here. But I'm pretty satisfied.
Speaker 6: Maddox right, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Maddox, Deputy Maddox or the guy who was who retired.
Speaker 2: I forget what he actually retired as.
Speaker 6: I'm getting the next of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Al Maddox was a nice guy, was one
Speaker 2: of the easiest UH cops to talk to in the
Speaker 2: nineties in Dallas UH and and was very cooperative with Mark.
Speaker 2: So they had actually done a presentation together at one
Speaker 2: of the ASQUE conferences back then. That's what he's talking
Speaker 2: about there, and I know that, and I also know
Speaker 2: that he would be helpful, like he actually probably gave
Speaker 2: me about three four different police officers to get a
Speaker 2: hold of that he still knew how to get a
Speaker 2: hold of, so and that was that was actually Yeah.
Speaker 6: So Bart sit in the photograph where he's picking the
Speaker 6: bullet and the grass.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the best that a bunch of people said,
Speaker 2: you know, that's who they thought it was, and including Gimbreling,
Speaker 2: which is really funny because you know, Gimbling you know,
Speaker 2: the first report that was written on the assassination, right
Speaker 2: the first you know, was it three hundred pages or
Speaker 2: whatever was They often refer to it as the Gimbreling Report.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he was, Yeah, he was there at one
Speaker 2: of the like one of the original centers there where
Speaker 2: they did one of these you know, like presentations like
Speaker 2: before the because this is only like the twenty eighth
Speaker 2: or twenty ninth conference for Lancer, so before that they
Speaker 2: had other ones and Gimberling was at one of those,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't sit down with him in videotapes It
Speaker 2: here too, which I think I could probably find it
Speaker 2: by surch real fast, here we go.
Speaker 11: Partner I had no period of time after the assassination
Speaker 11: was a man by the name of U. E. R.
Speaker 11: Buddy Walters, and they had some photographs of UH on
Speaker 11: patrolman Joe Foster over on the south side of Elm
Speaker 11: Street that UH went in order to investigate that area
Speaker 11: to see if you could see anything, and eventually uh
Speaker 11: al Mannox's partner, Buddy Walters had come over there and
Speaker 11: another man had uh joined them to take part in
Speaker 11: the investigation. And a lot of people have wondered who
Speaker 11: the person was, not necessarily uh what they were doing,
Speaker 11: cause it uh has been written that they were investigating
Speaker 11: the area and performing their duties. But I wanted to
Speaker 11: show you this uh picture and through tracing it, UH
Speaker 11: I had found out who the person was and see
Speaker 11: if you could look at that please. And the man
Speaker 11: that I contacted UH was the man that also worked
Speaker 11: for the FBI in nineteen sixty three and since at
Speaker 11: a period of time after that had moved or transferred.
Speaker 11: And the man that I contacted said that it was
Speaker 11: him that was a picture of him, and that person's
Speaker 11: name was Robert Barrett.
Speaker 12: And I'd just like to show you this as a confirmation.
Speaker 12: And he sent me, And I was wondering if you
Speaker 12: had any information or an opinion as to whether that
Speaker 12: might possibly resemble mister Barrett, and if you knew him personally.
Speaker 13: This is not the first time I've seen this picture.
Speaker 13: Bob Barrett and Ivan Lee were two agents that worked
Speaker 13: closely together, and we're responsible for a section of the
Speaker 13: first report I wrote in November thirtieth of sixty three.
Speaker 7: Which was about a multiple page section containing photographs of
Speaker 7: all the various locations of Ozma's escape route front.
Speaker 2: All right, Now, what he handed him is a picture
Speaker 2: like you were talking about, which which had the guy
Speaker 2: reaching down and seeming to pick something up out of
Speaker 2: the grass. Yeah, and he handed him that and a
Speaker 2: picture of Barrett, and then a note from Barrett saying yeah,
Speaker 2: that's me. Okay. Once once he did this contact with Gimberling,
Speaker 2: though then Barrett wrote wrote him again angrily saying, hey,
Speaker 2: that's not me.
Speaker 5: So really yeah, yeah, it was really.
Speaker 2: Funny and so oaks that That's why he put out
Speaker 2: the videotape where it was like here, watch all this happen,
Speaker 2: just me trying to figure out who's in one photograph.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was just like I found it extremely fascinating. And
Speaker 2: this is again, this is Gimberling, who I think is dead. Now.
Speaker 8: Uh, let's see, did you ever meet Barrett Barrett? NOA,
Speaker 8: I met uh two different FBI agents with the name Kennedy,
Speaker 8: and I never did met Kimberling.
Speaker 2: But the most interesting person I think I ever met
Speaker 2: would would have to be I, come to think of
Speaker 2: it was was. Wade was the most interesting person I
Speaker 2: ever met on that whole trial. Wade was too much man.
Speaker 2: Wade was too much and he told he told me
Speaker 2: the same story that he apparently told like everybody for
Speaker 2: about thirty years. Uh. He loved telling the story about
Speaker 2: Jack Ruby, uh speaking out daring that press conference. I
Speaker 2: don't know when he started telling that story, but I
Speaker 2: was one of the people he gave it to. I
Speaker 2: gotta pig on that somewhere in my in my stuff
Speaker 2: in Jersey. It's too funny. He's like, I want to
Speaker 2: tell you a story. You got to you gotta hear this.
Speaker 2: You had to just let him go because I was
Speaker 2: in his house and I was in his home office,
Speaker 2: and it was just sort of like, Okay, what do
Speaker 2: you want to tell me about? And he tells me
Speaker 2: the same exact story that he tells everybody about. You
Speaker 2: know who said that? I said, yeah, Jack Ruby, Oh
Speaker 2: you knew that. Yeah, I knew that. You know, I've
Speaker 2: seen the film one hundred times, you know.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Chuck, you may have told people before, but
Speaker 6: I've never heard your take on it. But Tom O'Neill,
Speaker 6: his book Chaos, the whole thing was Jolly West. What
Speaker 6: is your take on that? I don't even know if
Speaker 6: you have a take on it.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 2: I actually have. I have Tom O'Neill's work file on
Speaker 2: that book Chaos and Man, oh man, it's right there.
Speaker 2: It's almost I'm how do you explain a guy who
Speaker 2: was part of MK ultra okay in his own handwriting,
Speaker 2: by the way, he said it, several times O'Neill got
Speaker 2: letters out of his papers from the from the universities.
Speaker 2: This guy was there. Jack Ruby goes crazy after he
Speaker 2: meets with him alone. Yep, he goes and gets special
Speaker 2: quiet time with Charles Manson when he's in jail. He's
Speaker 2: also working at He's also working at the hate Ashbury
Speaker 2: clinic that Manson was bringing all his girls to for
Speaker 2: vd GEE coincidence, coincidence, coincidence. Oh, by the way, he
Speaker 2: was somewhere near Sir Han Sir Hann for some reason.
Speaker 14: And Timothy McVeigh what I I don't Jolly West is
Speaker 14: a wild story in and of itself.
Speaker 2: Carmine and I did a two point rby it would
Speaker 2: be a fair explanation because Ruby was basically completely nuts
Speaker 2: after he met with him, So timeline wise, either he
Speaker 2: did have some sort of brain damage, like you know,
Speaker 2: bell I was trying to say, or you know, or
Speaker 2: maybe he got dosed. I mean, I can't prove that,
Speaker 2: and that's the thing, you can't really prove it. But
Speaker 2: it's weird to watch an MK ultra doctor walk in
Speaker 2: and out of every celebrity murder case over like, you know,
Speaker 2: a ten year time period, and magically weird stuff happens.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Well, he even had connections with who is the heiress,
Speaker 6: the the rich heiress that the Liberation Army.
Speaker 5: What's the name, Patty Hurst, pat h He had connections
Speaker 5: with her toil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And also there's a weird thing about cointelpro
Speaker 2: and chaos and targeting the white Panthers and yeah, which
Speaker 2: by the way, would have probably qualified most of the
Speaker 2: murder victims at the at the teaatehouse.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Abigail Folger, everybody thinks of her as nothing,
Speaker 2: but you know, except she's the coffee you know, a
Speaker 2: coffee heiress. But no, it went further than that. She
Speaker 2: was also political activist. It's a whole crazy thing. And
Speaker 2: O'Neill got as close as he spent twenty years on
Speaker 2: that damn thing. Do you know that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I tried to have I actually, when I
Speaker 6: was doing the show, would you get that thing? I try?
Speaker 6: I reached out to him and he was charging for interviews,
Speaker 6: and at the time I was like, well, I really
Speaker 6: can't pay for an interview. But I can understand why,
Speaker 6: like he was doing that, you know, because he basically
Speaker 6: put like twenty plus years of his life into this
Speaker 6: whole film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and believe me, I'd love to talk
Speaker 2: to the guy too, but I haven't been able to
Speaker 2: book him either, So yeah, I didn't. I didn't get a.
Speaker 6: Feature Stuttering John Stuttering John once like trial in books.
Speaker 2: See now him I got for free. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, I just happened to get him when he
Speaker 2: was putting out that book. Oh really, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 2: got him when he put out what the hell was
Speaker 2: the name of that book. I don't even remember what
Speaker 2: it was, but it was like, you know, his life
Speaker 2: story and his struggle with stuttering and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of the book. But I
Speaker 2: also thought it was interesting that he was mentoring kids
Speaker 2: with stuttering problems too. Yeah, you know, while he's doing
Speaker 2: his you know, after Howard Stern podcast and everything else.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now like he all he does is trash Howard
Speaker 6: now you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well you know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 6: But anyway, Yeah, No, the Jolly west thing I always
Speaker 6: thought was very interesting, And for anyone out there that
Speaker 6: doesn't know, I think Jolly West Stron helped him commit
Speaker 6: suicide in two thousand, in nineteen, in ninety nine, and
Speaker 6: I think like Jolly West's wife ended up passing away
Speaker 6: like not too long after that.
Speaker 2: I think he did die in ninety nine. I don't
Speaker 2: remember the circumstances.
Speaker 6: But let me say, well, Jolly west Son wrote a
Speaker 6: whole book about how he basedically he killed his father,
Speaker 6: you know, right, let's see pretty sure that it's on
Speaker 6: the record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says here he died of a rapidly advancing
Speaker 2: malignant tumor. But okay, nineteen twenty four to nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you look deeper into it, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 6: he put out a book with like a Jack Tavorkian
Speaker 6: kind of assisted suicide scenario.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, because there is a whole
Speaker 2: strange controversy about his collected works too. That's another thing.
Speaker 2: But let's take a look at what his books are
Speaker 2: that are related to him. Let's see Alcoholism and Related Problems,
Speaker 2: a rare recording of Margaret's singer Yike's Explorations in Psychology
Speaker 2: of Emotions, The American Psychiatric Association Explorations in Psychology of Emotions,
Speaker 2: The Green Rebellion Notes on the Life and Times of
Speaker 2: American Hippies, Critical Issues, and Behavioral Medicine. Okay, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Look, he is a weird, weird figure though,
Speaker 2: and definitely I'm very very convinced he was connected d M.
Speaker 2: K Ultra and he shows up and just ends up
Speaker 2: with these private interviews with some high profile people that
Speaker 2: wind up doing some pretty crazy things afterwards. So you know,
Speaker 2: the stuttering John but was called easy for you to say,
Speaker 2: by the way, that was a book. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: got him on during that. It was it was pretty cool. Actually,
Speaker 2: I want to say Opperman at somehow uh putting me
Speaker 2: in touch with the right person, uh to get him,
Speaker 2: because I think had him on before.
Speaker 6: It was John like uh didy Gooy's whole leftist. I
Speaker 6: guess I know he hates Tromp.
Speaker 2: And right now we spent most of our time honestly
Speaker 2: talking about uttering and uh, and you know, and a
Speaker 2: little bit about like his time with Howard Stern a
Speaker 2: little bit. But you know, what are you doing with
Speaker 2: the podcast? Well you know, what did you put in
Speaker 2: the book?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: What? You know? What kind of story are you telling here?
Speaker 2: You know? And like I said, talked about the man.
Speaker 2: I only had him for about, I don't know, thirty
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes.
Speaker 6: I think he tried to charge you at all if
Speaker 6: you don't want the.
Speaker 2: Well he didn't, he didn't. I didn't pay him.
Speaker 6: He was apparently he's notorious for trying to charge people.
Speaker 2: No, I have not paid for an interview on my show.
Speaker 6: No, I even know. That's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I mean and I tried to book RFK Junior before,
Speaker 2: you know, before he became what he is now. And uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that was a he wanted twenty five thousand.
Speaker 2: So really, yeah, that was that was his speaking thing. Wow,
Speaker 2: you want RFK Junior to speak twenty five thousand? And
Speaker 2: John Barber will back me up on that, because he
Speaker 2: invited him to that loss.
Speaker 15: He invited him to that Yeah, well, he invited him
Speaker 15: to that Las Vegas thing he did with Joan Mellon
Speaker 15: and uh or k Junior again twenty Yeah, sure, you
Speaker 15: want me to show up twenty five grand?
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, wow, you know probably was twenty five grand
Speaker 2: plus plus put me up in a hotel plus, you know,
Speaker 2: but no, right, you know, but I obviously wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: put anybody up in hotel.
Speaker 6: Anyway, barely put my shelf up into a hotel.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I can just keep the roof over over
Speaker 2: the heads over here, that's it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't even go and visit my home
Speaker 2: state of Jersey. I can't make it up there, So
Speaker 2: you know where am I going? And I certainly don't
Speaker 2: have twenty five g's for a speaking fee, for God's sake.
Speaker 2: I mean, somebody else tried to charge me money to
Speaker 2: I can remember who else, but there was there was
Speaker 2: actually like two or three other people I think that
Speaker 2: tried to charge me money to do a podcast interview.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're you're kidding, right?
Speaker 5: It was?
Speaker 6: Was it Marina Oswald?
Speaker 2: Well, no, Marina. I can't get a hold of Marina now,
Speaker 2: so I don't know what's going on. Yeah. I used
Speaker 2: to be able to and I cannot now, so I
Speaker 2: don't know what that means. I had heard at one
Speaker 2: point that she was so totally fed up that she
Speaker 2: was done and talking to anybody. But I used to
Speaker 2: be able to get a holder.
Speaker 6: Well, let's work on uh, I think uh Lee Harvey's kids,
Speaker 6: they they're still open to doing interviews.
Speaker 5: Must work on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't done. Wasn't Don Jeffries going to do that?
Speaker 6: Yeah? He's in concept with them. Yeah that's why I'm
Speaker 6: so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I know. Hey, I'd be more
Speaker 2: than happy to hear him get hold of or even
Speaker 2: Rachel or whoever you know, Yeah, would be interesting.
Speaker 6: Anyways, listen, even gotten I got in contact with you know,
Speaker 6: you know the Patsy that time, never saw you know, Thomas,
Speaker 6: the Arthur rally.
Speaker 5: Okay, what about Chicago plot?
Speaker 6: K Yeah, I found his sister.
Speaker 5: Yeah mm hmm. So, uh, I'm.
Speaker 6: Gonna I'm not gonna pest for her, but I'm gonna
Speaker 6: continue trying to uh get that interview.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you don't hit the same Yeah, I
Speaker 2: hope you don't hit the same wall I did. Because
Speaker 2: I got a hold of somebody in his family at
Speaker 2: one point. I don't remember who it was, but it
Speaker 2: was so usy too. Somebody related, somebody related to him,
Speaker 2: why ago And I pretty much got told that like
Speaker 2: they cared about him when he was you know, around,
Speaker 2: but he was like a very difficult person and they
Speaker 2: just don't even want to relive it, is what I
Speaker 2: was told. So I don't know what she'll.
Speaker 6: Be telling you, like like eight right, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't even know what he does.
Speaker 2: You know, that would be another you gotta be looking
Speaker 2: at You're asking me all these weird it's coming back
Speaker 2: to me right.
Speaker 6: Now as we're talking. Yeah, sorry, this is.
Speaker 2: Like the test I'm not prepared for.
Speaker 6: You know, I took up the whole hour or two.
Speaker 6: I apologize one else that.
Speaker 2: You know, No, look, nobody else that's called in. I
Speaker 2: was gonna get ready to take a break. But but
Speaker 2: other than that, nobody's called in. So it's fine. I
Speaker 2: wanted to look at I want to look him up
Speaker 2: and see what what happened to him, because I remember
Speaker 2: what year he had passed away. But let's see archival
Speaker 2: footage blah blah blah blah, And it's very hard.
Speaker 6: To find anything on Thomas Arthur Valley. Well, and you
Speaker 6: know something, you you actually called me el rot something
Speaker 6: that I was talking about on other shows. For a while.
Speaker 6: I had always come across a thing that I wasn't
Speaker 6: able to substantiate, and that was that Thomas Arthur Valley
Speaker 6: was pulled over in a car that was registered to
Speaker 6: the rby Oswald.
Speaker 2: Yeah that, Yeah, you were one.
Speaker 6: Hundred percent corrects Like I can't prove that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't there, look was wrong. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: about him being pulled over, and I know about the
Speaker 2: police trying to get rid of the records on it
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Yeah, they you know, he did
Speaker 2: have a bunch of rounds. I mean, like some ridiculous
Speaker 2: I forget how many, like three thousand rounds in his
Speaker 2: front or something. Yeah, yeah, and it was like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's pretty crazy. But other than that, they had no
Speaker 2: reason to take him down, and it was just like
Speaker 2: it was weird.
Speaker 6: It was it wasn't registered to Lee Harvey Golswalt, not
Speaker 6: that I know of, No, But what do you got
Speaker 6: so like the urban legend like behind it?
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, let's see, he was trying the information
Speaker 2: again was not in as long to analysis. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: funny because after he was released you see, I'm seeing
Speaker 2: a bunch of places where people are like dead end,
Speaker 2: dead end on him at a certain point here strong
Speaker 2: indicators Chicago. Yeah. See, Now the other guys that they
Speaker 2: were supposedly tracking, the supposed group of Cubans that were
Speaker 2: there in Chicago same time, those guys disappeared, and that's
Speaker 2: a whole other thing. They just never tracked him down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there were like four guy who's renting like an
Speaker 6: apartment or whatever camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Valley was shorter than the other thing is, oh,
Speaker 2: the guy looked just like Oswa and not really. He
Speaker 2: was shorter than him, you know, you know, he was
Speaker 2: shorter than him, he was thinner than him, he had
Speaker 2: blue eyes. I mean, there's a whole thing that is
Speaker 2: way different on him.
Speaker 6: But didn't they try to like push to the uh,
Speaker 6: the John Birch society like angle like with him and
Speaker 6: instead of just the you know, the Cuban angle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the ya. That's the thing is they've
Speaker 2: always said that and I don't even know where they
Speaker 2: got that from.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't either.
Speaker 2: You know, outside of Okay, when you look at Bolden's claim,
Speaker 2: it's one thing, right, and the information that he gave
Speaker 2: to Edwin Black, that's one thing. And they did a
Speaker 2: light detector on him, and I, you know, for the
Speaker 2: most part, I believe Bolden, but you know, without documentation,
Speaker 2: I don't rely on you know, this guy's memory alone,
Speaker 2: especially considering look from his own words. You know, he
Speaker 2: was medicated heavily in jail. Yeah, so a lot of
Speaker 2: information could be lost or misrepresented. Gler.
Speaker 6: Mark Lane was representing Moulden a certain period of time
Speaker 6: in like the early seventies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Lane interjected himself into a lot of cases
Speaker 2: and got some people out of place. So yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: Mark Lane did a lot of stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: then by the end of the seventies he's in freaking Jonestown.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know Mark Lane another yea curious Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: it's okay. I'm just saying it's just, you know, it's
Speaker 2: another case.
Speaker 6: So you're right though, he was Jose's lawyer.
Speaker 2: Like, like, I got to tell you.
Speaker 6: You know Polly Perette from CSI, Yeah, she made that
Speaker 6: documentary Citizen Lane. I think like ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, Citizen Lane. I remember that.
Speaker 6: I tried to get her on the podcast, and for
Speaker 6: some reason, she just wouldn't do it. I don't know why,
Speaker 6: because I thought she was proud of the work that
Speaker 6: she did with that documentary, but it always like, maybe
Speaker 6: feel weird about it. And I talked to Charlie Robinson
Speaker 6: about that too, and I guess she tried to do
Speaker 6: something similar, like getting her to come on to talk
Speaker 6: about that, and I just don't know, like what the
Speaker 6: deal with that whole thing was either.
Speaker 2: So look, i'd love to talk to her about that myself,
Speaker 2: just as you know, what was going on behind the
Speaker 2: scenes while you were filming that, because she took a
Speaker 2: while to film that, I think, so I'd love to
Speaker 2: just get some And it's also weird because that's around
Speaker 2: the time I think I got a letter from him.
Speaker 2: Is no, no, No, it was earlier than that, because
Speaker 2: it was around the time he put out that The
Speaker 2: Final Word or whatever book that he sent me that letter,
Speaker 2: So I gotta look up with maybe twenty twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I mean, that's yeah, thirteen years ago now, But
Speaker 2: I think she might have been filming around the same time.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, though, I'd have to look back at it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So be Pete, what do you think should we take
Speaker 4: about that?
Speaker 2: Should we take a little break here be Pete. What
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we take a quick one if you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to do that just so I can
Speaker 2: get another drink. To be honest with you, and I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna put you on hold Chris for now while
Speaker 2: we go to break real fast. And I know we've
Speaker 2: done JFK hour and I'm sure some of you are
Speaker 2: thrilled and some of your now, but it's like Chris
Speaker 2: testing me and me having to figure out stuff and
Speaker 2: piece things together as I'm going, uh, you having fun
Speaker 2: with this, b Peter.
Speaker 4: No, Well, it's just it's just most It's like most
Speaker 4: conversations that you have. It's a little bit of trivia
Speaker 4: here there, and it just starts rolling.
Speaker 2: It's you know what, though, it sounds exactly like most
Speaker 2: of the conversations I have at the conferences, you know that, right,
Speaker 2: Except sadly I usually know every single thing these people
Speaker 2: ask me at the conferences. Chris keeps stumping me on
Speaker 2: weird little things. But at the conferences they're like would
Speaker 2: you know this? And I'm like, well, there's kind.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you can spend hours talking minutia and never
Speaker 4: you know, end never discussed anything really.
Speaker 3: Questionable. It's just this whole JFK world.
Speaker 4: Now is nothing but a bunch of little facts for
Speaker 4: this or rat you know.
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Speaker 4: Well, I've just been sitting there standing the headlines and
Speaker 4: that early in a while and news out there for faddy.
Speaker 4: Now usually their faddy's isn't when you start dumping stuff,
Speaker 4: so it gets lost on the weekend.
Speaker 3: But I'm not seeing much out of here.
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, the week was kind of
Speaker 2: lame for news, you know, which didn't exactly motivate me much,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean outside of it. I kind of
Speaker 2: have a commentary to do on Trump's ol story about
Speaker 2: the fat shot, which I think is funny. But other
Speaker 2: than that, what's what's news?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 2: Trump went to Saudi Arabia, okay.
Speaker 3: Least kissing everybody's ass.
Speaker 2: I don't like us, okay, so you know that's the
Speaker 2: point I'm not, you know, like, didn't we do this
Speaker 2: for oil before anyway? So now he's doing it for
Speaker 2: cash because supposedly they're going to make a six billion,
Speaker 2: six hundred billion dollar investment. Whatever. Am I even interested
Speaker 2: in this? Does this have anything to do with me?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I have noticed something though, in the past three months.
Speaker 4: It seems like the littlest of things can get so
Speaker 4: blown out of proportion in a matter of I mean minutes,
Speaker 4: the minute something hits Twitter or the minute something hits
Speaker 4: some other social platform. It's like it takes off and
Speaker 4: it takes a week and a half to get the
Speaker 4: actual story after all this people running around with their
Speaker 4: hair on fire. Yep, it takes a week and a
Speaker 4: half to get down to the basic, actual story and
Speaker 4: then it disappears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how many things that were? You know
Speaker 3: it was a fire alarm when it happened. Now we don't.
Speaker 3: We haven't heard about it months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I'm just exhausted, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the purpose, Just exhaust everybody. And
Speaker 3: they said, I'll.
Speaker 2: Ask for maybe maybe that. It looks like we got
Speaker 2: Jimmy James on the line, so I'm going to bring
Speaker 2: him on and see what's on his mind. Jimmy, Uh,
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like I kept you too too long.
Speaker 2: But how you doing? Man?
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm doing fine.
Speaker 2: Cool. Were you enjoying the the JFK stump stumped the
Speaker 2: host and going on there for a minute.
Speaker 5: Well, I was in deep meditation. I missed it.
Speaker 2: Oh listen, man, congratulations to you. I wish I could
Speaker 2: be in deep meditation anymore. I can't even focus long enough,
Speaker 2: so props.
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, yes, oh, I.
Speaker 2: Had to chuck. I had to.
Speaker 6: I send it right up there too, like I'm one up. Oh,
Speaker 6: I'm up to cloub twenty five. Now I've seen the Greek.
Speaker 6: He's a cloud seven.
Speaker 4: I went up up.
Speaker 2: I'm up nice, I'm glad, I'm I'm I'm cheering you on, man.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: Oh, I was just you know, up there, just clouding out,
Speaker 6: chelling out, taking it all in. I'm kind of bummed
Speaker 6: out of miss JFK Hour though. Chris, uh, you know it.
Speaker 5: I owe you an apology.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry? Yeah, you want me to put Chris on
Speaker 2: with you? Oh yeah, okay, I'll put Chris on with you.
Speaker 2: Hold on, okay, Chris, you're back on. You're on with you.
Speaker 6: James, Hey, Jimmy, James over here, and you did every time.
Speaker 5: I owe you an apology.
Speaker 6: Once you said, uh, man over guns and bullets all
Speaker 6: over deeply plaza and I crissed back a little on that,
Speaker 6: but I shouldn't have, as you were correct, there were
Speaker 6: they start counting.
Speaker 5: These things they add up, Yeah they do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have photographs of FBI guys like putting uh
Speaker 6: what appears to be bullets in their pockets.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 6: I think there was there there was another bullet.
Speaker 4: That hit.
Speaker 6: The streak, and not not James Tieg's bullet, but there
Speaker 6: was another bullet that Oliver Stone brought up on Joe
Speaker 6: Rogan's podcast, and uh, I didn't even know about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what what? Uh that's an easy one.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: What's funny about that is I knew about that years
Speaker 2: ago and why because of a guy named Stavis Ellis. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's he was another cop. And what's funny is I
Speaker 2: had him written in my file for the longest time
Speaker 2: is Steven Ellison. I don't know how I did that,
Speaker 2: but Stavis Ellis anyways, Uh, this guy swore that the
Speaker 2: bullets struck the road near him, which if you positioned
Speaker 2: him correctly, you got bullet strikes on the ground behind limo,
Speaker 2: which you know, nobody ever found the bullet for. But
Speaker 2: then again, there's a whole family. There's three people, uh
Speaker 2: that are that are standing over by the manual cover
Speaker 2: who swear that a bullet literally burrowed into the into
Speaker 2: the dirt, uh, you know, or by the manual cover.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's all kinds of stuff. People are
Speaker 2: seeing things everywhere, and I'm not saying everybody's accurate. But
Speaker 2: when you start to combine it with this guy picking
Speaker 2: up something out of the grass, the James Take thing
Speaker 2: they tried to deny. You know, what are you gonna
Speaker 2: do after a while. I mean, there there's literally bits
Speaker 2: of evidence the.
Speaker 5: Hole in the windshield Chuck No, maybe made it.
Speaker 2: No talks about see but maybe maybe not because is
Speaker 2: that the windshield that ended up at the National Archives
Speaker 2: or not? You see, because it's true, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that.
Speaker 23: I know for I'm pretty sure there was photographs before
Speaker 23: it went it went the I'm pretty sure there's photographs
Speaker 23: before that limo was sent back.
Speaker 6: To Michigan, right, like where there wasn't there was tests
Speaker 6: of money from like another FBI agent that said he
Speaker 6: put a pencil through that bullet hole in the windshield.
Speaker 2: Well that was the guy who came out later said that, right,
Speaker 2: And then there was also a medical student at the
Speaker 2: time who became a doctor leader who said that she
Speaker 2: could put a pencil through it. But it's all weird.
Speaker 2: It's a whole weird contention because here's the thing. When
Speaker 2: the when you take a look at the FBI, were
Speaker 2: the secret Service photographs of the limo they're mainly focused
Speaker 2: on the back seat, and you know, so if you.
Speaker 6: Think about it, though, it's just a lot of opening
Speaker 6: that shirt away right right in a Parkland. He literally
Speaker 6: had like a bucket with like soap and water, and
Speaker 6: they were.
Speaker 2: Like, there's already a guy with Yeah, there's already a
Speaker 2: guy with a sponge rocket cleaning it up at Parkland. Yep.
Speaker 4: If you think about it, though, I paint the bullets
Speaker 4: that are just connected to the car. You had a
Speaker 4: ding in the in the trim above the windshield, right
Speaker 4: cron piece four, sir, you had a crack in the
Speaker 4: You had a crack in the windshield. There's photos of
Speaker 4: the car sitting there Parkland with some either a crack
Speaker 4: or a break in the windshield.
Speaker 2: There's definitely a blemish in the windshield. Yes, absolutely, all right, Now.
Speaker 3: Look at the shots. Kennedy took two bullets that we
Speaker 3: know of.
Speaker 4: Okay, he took the first shot where he was grabbing
Speaker 4: his throat, he comes out from behind the sign and
Speaker 4: there's a fruder film and then the headshot. That's four
Speaker 4: shots already. I don't think the bullet that hit the chrome.
Speaker 4: Looking at the imprint in the chrome on the trim
Speaker 4: and the windshield. You can see a perfectly round hole.
Speaker 4: So that thing, if it fragmented, could a piece of
Speaker 4: that hit the windshield. Well, all right, let's say that
Speaker 4: was one shot.
Speaker 3: So now you've got three shots.
Speaker 2: You've got two that hit.
Speaker 4: Kennedy and the one that hit the trim in the
Speaker 4: car and could have possibly damaged the windshield.
Speaker 3: There's three shots. You got the shot with take and.
Speaker 2: You've got three shots, and you've got three missing fragments
Speaker 2: now which well, which were dug out of the carpet
Speaker 2: of the limo.
Speaker 3: But I mean they could be fragments of from whatever
Speaker 3: hit the trim.
Speaker 2: They can believe they could potentially be from one projectile
Speaker 2: because they didn't even one.
Speaker 3: That hit Kennedy in the back.
Speaker 4: We don't know that's got the shot on Connolly too,
Speaker 4: the turn out that is the same one that hit
Speaker 4: Kennedy in the back.
Speaker 3: Let's to make it simple. Sure, So you're looking at
Speaker 3: it thour shots already.
Speaker 2: That's the way I look. I've always seen it that way, okay.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I think that you got two
Speaker 2: from the front and two from behind. I really think so,
Speaker 2: because he was clearly struck in the back as far
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned. And when you end up with those
Speaker 2: bullet fragments, let's just call them fragments of the same projectile. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's one two Okay, the one that ends up in
Speaker 2: Connolly's leg. Don't forget there was a projectile in his leg.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's up his wrist right.
Speaker 2: Well that if you go with the theory, okay, that
Speaker 2: it's all bull it hit his wrist before it hit
Speaker 2: the leg smashed, the wrist went through and then and
Speaker 2: it ends up partially buried in his leg, in his thigh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I buy that. I'm just saying, if
Speaker 2: you go with that, that's one bullet. You have the fragments.
Speaker 2: They apparently account for a second projectile. He's still got
Speaker 2: a problem. I don't see how all that happens. And
Speaker 2: tag there's three exactly bare minimum of three.
Speaker 4: That's what gets me about the War Commission and how
Speaker 4: so many people bought it. I mean, they had to
Speaker 4: finagle a single bullet theory to account for three shots,
Speaker 4: and they're still not accounting for tague shot. So how
Speaker 4: in the hell they could release the war report and
Speaker 4: not at least match up the number of shots to
Speaker 4: the number of bullets that they don't.
Speaker 2: Exist because their kills me. Their idea is he took
Speaker 2: three shots. One first one missus strikes curb take but
Speaker 2: second one JFK's neck passes through his neck into Connolly,
Speaker 2: into his leg. Last one head shot.
Speaker 3: But see that's just did though the bullet that hit
Speaker 3: his back.
Speaker 4: Based on their own testimony, I guess you could call
Speaker 4: it that was a dead hole.
Speaker 3: They felt the bottom of the hole in his back.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: So you've got one shot, You've got the shot that
Speaker 4: hit Connolly, there's two shots, you got the head shot.
Speaker 4: It's three shots, yep, and tags let alone what bounced
Speaker 4: off the damn trima of the WHO shield.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's the problem. Unless you're going to tell
Speaker 2: me that the head shot sprayed all of those fragments
Speaker 2: in his skull and ended up in the two the
Speaker 2: three now missing. By the way, those fragments are gone.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that those are totally gone.
Speaker 2: They don't even exist anymore. They were taken in evidence,
Speaker 2: but they don't exist anymore. They say they were destroyed
Speaker 2: as a result of testing. That's the explanation, you know, supposedly,
Speaker 2: but nobody will sign off on it. They're just gone.
Speaker 4: Surprised there's anything left for him to release that a
Speaker 4: thing hasn't been done done away with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, just just like look the biological
Speaker 2: material see JFK's brain. There's another thing. And I'm pretty
Speaker 2: satisfied where that went, because that casket that that that
Speaker 2: RFK had dumped also contained biological material. Now some people
Speaker 2: would say, well, that's just the blood and everything that
Speaker 2: ended up in that casket when they carried the body,
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. But it seems strange that it
Speaker 2: disappeared the brain, you know, the canister with the brain,
Speaker 2: and it disappeared right before that, you know, classified navy
Speaker 2: drop of the casket into the ocean, and didn't Gerald.
Speaker 6: Forward change the back bullets on JFK as magic bullet
Speaker 6: in his in his draft for the age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in his draft, right, he's said, you know, back
Speaker 2: back of the what was it, back of the neck
Speaker 2: instead of back is what he changed it to, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But that was about three inches three four inches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all true.
Speaker 6: And our instructor completed it with the magic the whole
Speaker 6: magic bullet scenario, right.
Speaker 4: The thing, the thing that gets me the most out
Speaker 4: of it is when it was released. I mean, you
Speaker 4: had you pet people like Mark Lane going no, this
Speaker 4: story doesn't make sense. Why you didn't have more of
Speaker 4: the intellectual assets that this country had. I mean not
Speaker 4: just Mark Lane, not just a lawyer, but the the
Speaker 4: media and everybody else. Why they just blatantly swallowed the
Speaker 4: Warren Commission report.
Speaker 3: I'll never understand.
Speaker 2: Well, Warren Commission reports released in sixty four, it took
Speaker 2: a little while for everybody to go through. By sixty six,
Speaker 2: Lane is going around to colleges and given discussions and
Speaker 2: everything else. Sixty six, sixty seven, sixty eight, sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Garrison joins them, and they were going around all over
Speaker 2: the place trying to give demonstrations. This is why this
Speaker 2: doesn't work. This is why this makes no sense. You
Speaker 2: can't cycle the rifle fast and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: No, that's what gets me is with the amount of.
Speaker 4: With the amount of intellect that we had in this
Speaker 4: country in the mid sixties, why there wasn't more questioning
Speaker 4: of that report coming out from different different avenues.
Speaker 3: I just I'll never understand there's a swallow of it.
Speaker 3: You know, Lockstock and barrel.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well the War Commission said, uh huh, where
Speaker 4: is your intellectual curiosity?
Speaker 5: Spread?
Speaker 6: COVID the crap they just twenty twenty here in COVID.
Speaker 6: That's the same thing I was thick and during COVID.
Speaker 6: These people are stupid as hell. They can't believe this.
Speaker 2: Come on, well it was believed, it was blievably went
Speaker 2: along with it, and the same thing happened is believe
Speaker 2: the experts. Remember David Bellin went on a tour along
Speaker 2: with a bunch of these other guys trying to support
Speaker 2: the Commission, saying, look, we got it all correct. You know,
Speaker 2: even if we didn't sort out everything, we sorted it
Speaker 2: out enough to tell you this is the basic story done,
Speaker 2: and believe us. We're the experts. That's really what it
Speaker 2: came down to. I mean, I hate to say it,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of the American way. Believe the expert.
Speaker 2: Here's your expert. How do you know he's an expert?
Speaker 2: Good question, but don't ask it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Well, nineteen sixty four, I'll give them a lot more
Speaker 6: grace because the government up to that point had gotten
Speaker 6: caught a lot less slide. But by two twenty everyone
Speaker 6: should have been calling out this COVID garbage fools.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, I agree with you. The only thing is
Speaker 2: that I really wish we had seen, you know, more
Speaker 2: of what happened in the seventies, because all that questioning
Speaker 2: started to come out. Which, oh, by the way, that
Speaker 2: announcement I was going to tell you about real fast
Speaker 2: before we run out of time, was that Apparently you know,
Speaker 2: they made a list for Representative Luna to go to
Speaker 2: the CIA with, and Morley wrote, let's see the Florida
Speaker 2: Republican chair of the House Task Force on Declassification expects
Speaker 2: answers on assassination records. The CIA will release long secret
Speaker 2: files related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy
Speaker 2: within weeks, an agency official promise. Representative Anna Paulina Luna,
Speaker 2: chair of the House Task Force on Declassification of federal secrets.
Speaker 2: On Friday, in an interview with JFK Fax, Luna said
Speaker 2: she was told the CIA had located four of the
Speaker 2: five files that she demanded in a letter to CI
Speaker 2: Director John Ratcliffe last month. So who knows, Maybe we'll
Speaker 2: see some progress in a few days.
Speaker 6: And Chuck can, Chuck can? I asked yourself, Yeah, real quick, Yeah, good, Okay,
Speaker 6: the RFK assassination. Had you heard? You know, there was
Speaker 6: a documentary called.
Speaker 5: The Second Gun.
Speaker 2: Yep, did you ever see?
Speaker 6: What is testimony that there was another sugar besides Eugene Caesar.
Speaker 2: I recall that there was a couple of ideas about
Speaker 2: more than one person having a gun. And you know,
Speaker 2: Caesar is your best person because he had a He
Speaker 2: definitely had a gun. And you know that that clip off,
Speaker 2: that clip on tie you see laying next to RFK
Speaker 2: in the pictures is Caesar's, Yeah, because he was that
Speaker 2: damn close to him.
Speaker 6: But there were other there were other witnesses that I
Speaker 6: actually sound that said that they saw a guy shoot
Speaker 6: what apparently was blanks like confetti like you've seen like
Speaker 6: a molie like, uh, shooting blanks.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't see it. Yeah, I didn't see the
Speaker 2: thing about shooting blanks. I did see the the other
Speaker 2: witnesses who said they saw other people draw guns. But
Speaker 2: I don't recall anybody saying everything about blanks blanks I
Speaker 2: think comes from Lisa Piece's work, but I could be
Speaker 2: wrong about that. Anyways, looks like, let's see what time
Speaker 2: is it? Oh crap, I'm about a minute over, so
Speaker 2: I got to get on over to the Age of
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