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Speaker 4: Good evening, good evening. We are running a little bit late,
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Speaker 4: We're not often live, or we're not always live, let's
Speaker 4: change that. But we are live today and we're here
Speaker 4: to talk men's health, both physical health and mental health
Speaker 4: in light of it being Men's Month. I am going
Speaker 4: to can I Pedro and over to Pedro. He's going
Speaker 4: to with our health lead out today's discussion. I think
Speaker 4: it's only befitting that he does. And then he'll introduce
Speaker 4: the guests and we will get right into it because
Speaker 4: I know we are kind of pressed for time, so
Speaker 4: we don't want to waste any of it. Let's just
Speaker 4: pray before I do that then and we'll get going deminily, Father,
Speaker 4: thank you for this opportunity. Thank you for the opportunity
Speaker 4: to talk about such an important topic. And so we
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Speaker 4: a man, right, Padro?
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Speaker 6: Alright?
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Speaker 6: Everybody, welcome to Talking Point.
Speaker 8: So today we were doing a series of different shows
Speaker 8: about men's health, and today we're gonna do the one
Speaker 8: on physical and mental.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 8: With us, we have two folks that what would you
Speaker 8: call all you have professionals? Would you like to get professionals?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 8: What is doctor Sopho. I'm not gonna say his last
Speaker 8: name because I will butcher it. His first name actually
Speaker 8: his first name, sorry, his last name is Sopho. And
Speaker 8: then we also have Mark, who's a regular on Talking Brain.
Speaker 8: Been a minute, but he's back and joining us again.
Speaker 8: So we're got to have them both as we talk
Speaker 8: about men's health and the pits and the falls and
Speaker 8: the pros and the cons and everything else that goes
Speaker 8: with men and.
Speaker 6: So uh, real quick, actually do you wanna go into
Speaker 6: what we normally do, is an here or.
Speaker 4: Are you just gonna yeah, well, we just I mean,
Speaker 4: it's Angie on She's she's alright, let's jump into it
Speaker 4: because we're pressed for as it is anyway, I know,
Speaker 4: Andie's on locations, so she's kind of trying to find
Speaker 4: a spot and trying to find a good signal so
Speaker 4: she could be aboard.
Speaker 6: I think, I'm yeah, So we're gonna, we're gonna get started.
Speaker 3: Aul.
Speaker 6: Yeah, everyone, thank you Edul for joining us again.
Speaker 8: All right, so doctor, could you just say your full
Speaker 8: name and then say who you are and just give
Speaker 8: us a brief like description of yourself.
Speaker 9: Sure.
Speaker 10: So my name is Dr Quartin Guardian, born and raised
Speaker 10: in Ghana.
Speaker 11: Came here to stay young, and I'm currently a General
Speaker 11: Practitioner registrart so GP Registrar in training one more year
Speaker 11: and then main consultants giv.
Speaker 5: Wow, okay, congratulations.
Speaker 6: Did you do all your studying here or.
Speaker 9: So partly? He partly back home. I was one of
Speaker 9: those moldy kids that.
Speaker 11: Were sent back you see, when you were threatened as
Speaker 11: a young childs and you back home.
Speaker 10: I was one of those who sent back you know,
Speaker 10: changed turn my life around so good, and then came
Speaker 10: back here in my studies in the university.
Speaker 12: So I studied in London and.
Speaker 8: It's a little which was a bad boy because you
Speaker 8: guys said, you know, but look at it like this
Speaker 8: and you know we got some back.
Speaker 6: You will be where you are now. I would say
Speaker 6: that things time for a reason. All right, then we
Speaker 6: got Mark.
Speaker 8: You're gonna just go bring you know, you know who
Speaker 8: you are. But just for those who may not heard
Speaker 8: of it the first time talking, I mean listen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Mark Semple, the traumatologies therapist, psych
Speaker 1: psycho therapist, CBT therapiest you call it all the different therapies.
Speaker 1: I also volunteer with it something of conference, the COXSIT Service,
Speaker 1: Cornerstone I Conference. I also have my private practice, so
Speaker 1: I'm pleased to be here.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Of course I'm drawn by my host and Angela.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello again. Anything else, well, I'm just grateful to
Speaker 4: have these two gentlemen on board, looking forward to the conversation. Mark,
Speaker 4: welcome back. As said, it's been a minute, but you're
Speaker 4: already our resident consultant expert. And I'm throwing out to
Speaker 4: doctor Southher here that he could possibly potentially be also
Speaker 4: well I'm just I know, and I just lock him in,
Speaker 4: just lock him in, right, okay, you know, just like
Speaker 4: all right, that's my cue, that's my cute.
Speaker 6: Like you should know by now.
Speaker 2: I was easy.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 6: I was easy to it. Like I said, first, we're.
Speaker 8: Going to talk about men's physical health, and I guess
Speaker 8: right off the back, being a male like doctor southh
Speaker 8: just wanted to find that from you and in in
Speaker 8: terms of I guess give a brief just general synapsis
Speaker 8: of what men's physical health will be, because sometimes people
Speaker 8: may have it, may think of it as something else,
Speaker 8: or you know, have they may incorporate health mental health
Speaker 8: with physical health. So could you give us like a
Speaker 8: synapsis of what physical health would be would be considered.
Speaker 9: So when we talk about men's.
Speaker 13: Talking about as diseases which have a mental impact a
Speaker 13: man's physical and to do that as mental health, actually who.
Speaker 10: Has a part to play in that? Because some degree
Speaker 10: of mental health can actually manifest.
Speaker 12: Physically as well in individuals. So I think we should
Speaker 12: have definitely.
Speaker 10: Just categorize of mental health as something that happens just
Speaker 10: in the mind, but sometimes in a certain individuals especially
Speaker 10: extreme cases, they may experience.
Speaker 12: Physical vicinities as well.
Speaker 6: But even to focus maybe on.
Speaker 14: The physical related health issues associated with men, what we
Speaker 14: tend to realize is that men tend to present quite
Speaker 14: late at the stages of your disease.
Speaker 12: And then the reason for there's you know, many things
Speaker 12: with men.
Speaker 9: In generally we don't like to go to the down.
Speaker 10: Type, and that's pretty much a known fact. And also
Speaker 10: in terms of men, we tend to downplay a lot
Speaker 10: of the issues that we face because we see as.
Speaker 12: Even trivial or you know, we have other things to
Speaker 12: worry about.
Speaker 10: So as a result of a combination of these things
Speaker 10: and others, men meant to present quite late.
Speaker 12: In the stages of things such as because that's quite late,
Speaker 12: and then there are many other things. So these are
Speaker 12: common things that typically happened to correlated correlated.
Speaker 4: Okay, I just want to ask, is everybody hearing doctor Saffo? Clearly?
Speaker 8: I think I think there needs to be a little
Speaker 8: bit he's a little bit lower, so I think it's
Speaker 8: coming off on the radio a little.
Speaker 4: Bit low, Okay. And also I don't know if it
Speaker 4: seems to be that you're cutting out. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's signal where you are? Is it generally okay?
Speaker 2: Where you are?
Speaker 9: The signal is okay?
Speaker 15: Firefi okay better.
Speaker 4: That sounds better, okay, all right.
Speaker 8: Yeah earlier it sounded sound yeah, but it's fine, okay,
Speaker 8: called working working through the process.
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, doctor.
Speaker 5: Can I jump in as question?
Speaker 16: Yes, just you mentioned that that men don't have to
Speaker 16: go to the doctors a bit reluctant. Where does that
Speaker 16: and maybe we're gonna come a little later, but where
Speaker 16: does that stem from?
Speaker 17: What is that?
Speaker 6: What is that about?
Speaker 16: And you in terms of the men that you beat,
Speaker 16: do they ever give you any particular reasons or you
Speaker 16: know why people didn't come sooner, or what's their reluctance
Speaker 16: or so.
Speaker 10: Usually it boils down to a few things. One is
Speaker 10: they're usually too busy to make time for their health,
Speaker 10: and they feel that there are other greater responsibilities that
Speaker 10: they need to address or you know, focus your mind on.
Speaker 10: And sometimes when you have certain physical conditions which don't
Speaker 10: impact you or disable you physically, may I can deal
Speaker 10: with it, you know, I'll just take some pain relief
Speaker 10: or whatever it is. I'll just see how it goes
Speaker 10: Over the least couple of weeks, couple of months and
Speaker 10: see if things result. So the reluctancy usually comes. There
Speaker 10: are greater things for me to focus my energy on.
Speaker 10: And this is not a present issue now. I mean
Speaker 10: I will get I would get a looked at it
Speaker 10: and look at some point, but right now the other
Speaker 10: things that need to focus on, So that's number one.
Speaker 10: Number two they don't see as a big thing. They
Speaker 10: just say, hey, you know, this is the part and
Speaker 10: parcel of getting.
Speaker 12: Older, or this is the part and parcel of perhaps.
Speaker 10: They understanding of that particular condition maybe or that particular
Speaker 10: symptom maybe give them to what a doctor will see.
Speaker 6: So for instance, if.
Speaker 10: They are having fluctuating thou symptoms, they make it thing that,
Speaker 10: oh it's because I ate something wrong, or I didn't
Speaker 10: drink enough water and so forth. But as a doctor
Speaker 10: we may consider, oh is this a sign of cut cancer.
Speaker 10: So sometimes it's the lack of understanding of the path
Speaker 10: of physiolity behind the symptoms or so makes them a
Speaker 10: loved to come up. And the one thing I always
Speaker 10: say is that if you if you are a partner
Speaker 10: to such a person, I think a lot of the time,
Speaker 10: a lot of the men that we need coming into GP.
Speaker 10: Practice on GP surgeries is usually at the push of
Speaker 10: the apartners.
Speaker 12: Thet is like.
Speaker 10: No, I do think this is worried and we go
Speaker 10: and check it and they reluctantly like the first common
Speaker 10: they always.
Speaker 12: Say is oh, because my wife said I need to
Speaker 12: come and see and.
Speaker 9: Goes for us.
Speaker 10: We're like, you know what, You're very thankful that you
Speaker 10: know the you know, the females in their lives are
Speaker 10: you know, in quote unquote to them nugging.
Speaker 9: But it ends up being quite useful because without that push,
Speaker 9: they're very reluctant to come by themselves.
Speaker 10: I think ladies continue what you're doing to neever may
Speaker 10: see nagging.
Speaker 12: But we appreciated very much side of nottice.
Speaker 16: Oh well, as I said, this is just saying that
Speaker 16: every man is a great bat.
Speaker 6: Behind every is a nagging going to go there?
Speaker 7: Do we get results?
Speaker 4: We said, we say, of lives.
Speaker 12: How do you challenged that?
Speaker 7: Obviously you know you are fakful for the women that
Speaker 7: maybe behind them all they come in.
Speaker 16: You know, how as a doctor can you I suppose
Speaker 16: gen being courage because you don't want to seem like
Speaker 16: a bagging, but to sort of say, look, you know,
Speaker 16: how can you reiterate the importance because especially if you
Speaker 16: think that you know, you're saying they have extra responsibilities.
Speaker 16: They maybe providers, they've got families that put jobs. If
Speaker 16: they get sick, that knocks all.
Speaker 7: Of that back into the background somewhere.
Speaker 16: So you know, how can you kind of yeah, like
Speaker 16: you encourage them or do you think what would you
Speaker 16: say something to sort of say, look, you know, we
Speaker 16: get it, you're busy, You've got the time that think
Speaker 16: it's important.
Speaker 12: However, I think every patient is different.
Speaker 10: That's why in the world of general practices and family
Speaker 10: medicine is quite difficult, because one one medicine will be
Speaker 10: suitable for all men out there. And I think the
Speaker 10: few the few approaches that I tend to take is
Speaker 10: I try to find out is there any particularly important
Speaker 10: event in their life that they will like to be
Speaker 10: present for. So some men will be a case of
Speaker 10: all walking your daughter down the aisle, whether seeing the
Speaker 10: you know, the sun graduating or you know whatever it is,
Speaker 10: identifying that pivotal moment or that important event that they
Speaker 10: would want to be present for. And then I think
Speaker 10: sometimes you have to use a bit of scare factor
Speaker 10: as well by informing them of the severity of their condition.
Speaker 9: So, for instance, if it is about as or prostrate cancer.
Speaker 10: And letting them know that, you know, not routinely coming
Speaker 10: into a GP surgery, this increases your chance by x
Speaker 10: amount of percentage and as a result, you're less likely
Speaker 10: to reach that particular mouthhone that you want to reach
Speaker 10: is when you break it to them in that way.
Speaker 10: That's when they're like, oh, wow, this is actually quite
Speaker 10: severe or this is why this. So I think those
Speaker 10: are some of the tactics that you can implement. But
Speaker 10: some men, generally, when they see that okay, this is
Speaker 10: a bad result or you know, this is being investigated
Speaker 10: or taken very seriously, they naturally become more switched on.
Speaker 10: And I think the last thing, if all else fails,
Speaker 10: is just to let them know the Hey, all I
Speaker 10: want to do is see you twice.
Speaker 2: They hear that's it.
Speaker 10: If you set them a target and achievable and attainable target,
Speaker 10: it makes it easier for them to do it because
Speaker 10: even tells them the whole you know, I just don't
Speaker 10: want to see you. They don't They can't quantify how
Speaker 10: many times you want to see the chip orders see
Speaker 10: and typically speaking every a a check club every six
Speaker 10: months or so is actually quite good when it comes
Speaker 10: to lend because we can give full for a routine
Speaker 10: blood tests. You can examine their blood pressure and take
Speaker 10: their and their height and way to measure they be
Speaker 10: at mind, So we can do a lot of risk
Speaker 10: assessment to see if this is somebody willing to see
Speaker 10: more often. So I think usually if there's any citation
Speaker 10: on a man's part to go and see the GP,
Speaker 10: just having in the back of your mind that all
Speaker 10: I need to do is see my GP at least
Speaker 10: twice or twice a year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so as.
Speaker 8: A male, I know exactly what you're talking about. Doctor
Speaker 8: is I don't like going to the doctor? Actually, I
Speaker 8: do have a question. So do you find that people
Speaker 8: that work in the medical field are more unlikely to
Speaker 8: go to the doctor than say, somebody that is not
Speaker 8: a medical Ooh, you.
Speaker 9: Could actually get both ways. I think the worry with
Speaker 9: so obviously you.
Speaker 10: Get certain individuals who work in the medical field who
Speaker 10: are reluctant because they can of out I know this is,
Speaker 10: this shouldn't be anything, or they don't want to waste
Speaker 10: their doctor's time because sometimes they're aware of the impact
Speaker 10: of or the lack of resources within you know, the
Speaker 10: healthcare system, so they're like, I don't want to waste time,
Speaker 10: I will go on.
Speaker 12: There's a bit more serious. So you have individuals such
Speaker 12: as that.
Speaker 10: Then you have the individuals on the other side, which
Speaker 10: you know, you mainly say or they have contracts, or
Speaker 10: individuals who because they know the medicine doctors are usually
Speaker 10: quite worse for this as well. They know the medicine,
Speaker 10: they know that although a lot of symptoms can be benign,
Speaker 10: when we doctors see it, mind automatically goes to.
Speaker 12: The thing that's will to cause us of the worst.
Speaker 12: So you tend to have these individuals who over present.
Speaker 10: To the GP or over present to an emergency department
Speaker 10: because they're like, you know what, Yes, I know that
Speaker 10: there's a chance that this can be benign, but I'm
Speaker 10: also worried about all of these other things which I
Speaker 10: know can also happen.
Speaker 12: So you can get to people on either side of
Speaker 12: the coin.
Speaker 6: So in otherwise you get what you get. The ones
Speaker 6: that think they know what you know, Oh yeah, that
Speaker 6: that happens all the time. They come with the yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: we have a lot of people who.
Speaker 9: Come with especially in this now a day and age
Speaker 9: where it's very difficult.
Speaker 12: To get a hold of your GP or your family physician.
Speaker 10: People tend to come with a shop and a list
Speaker 10: of things that they want to talk about because that's
Speaker 10: the only opportunity that they will get probably a long
Speaker 10: time in.
Speaker 8: CIG as a GP, and I know, like keV GP
Speaker 8: has like probably with ten thousand patients. It's very hard
Speaker 8: to see ten thousand patients, you know, in a week
Speaker 8: or in a month. How does how does the GP
Speaker 8: adjust so that they can get the men to come
Speaker 8: in more? I mean you gave you know with the
Speaker 8: wife and everything is yeah, like how do they get
Speaker 8: an outfit that you need to come in to be seen?
Speaker 6: Like do we do we date? Do you guys text?
Speaker 6: Do you guys? Shall not? Notices like that?
Speaker 12: Or so? I think every practice is different and sometimes
Speaker 12: you have to use.
Speaker 9: Certain landmarkets.
Speaker 10: So for instance, we're in this month of November and
Speaker 10: obviously we all know that it's Men's health month and
Speaker 10: it's as a GP practice or a a GI surgery.
Speaker 10: When you see these sorts of events or these sorts
Speaker 10: of dedicated months set in place for men, you.
Speaker 12: Should use the opportunity to then.
Speaker 10: Say, okay, you know what, we're doing a campaign trying
Speaker 10: to get as you said, you'll send out texts to
Speaker 10: the men on your on your.
Speaker 9: System, put in certain banners or some sort of.
Speaker 10: Adverts out just to try and draw more men because
Speaker 10: they're more susceptible to come in during this month because
Speaker 10: this is such a big campaign and orders on everybody's mind.
Speaker 10: So I think it's utilizing those sorts of opportunities. But
Speaker 10: otherwise it is quite difficult. As you said, we have
Speaker 10: a large number of patients that are on our list,
Speaker 10: so to send like for instance, MERGP surgery, we were
Speaker 10: a combination of three and it's like thirty thousand patients
Speaker 10: that we look after. It'll be very difficult for us
Speaker 10: to to send a text to every single man on
Speaker 10: that list and still be able to find appropriate appointment
Speaker 10: slots for them. Now, But obviously that all the things
Speaker 10: that we can also do in our own individual community.
Speaker 12: You know, GPS usually work from Monday.
Speaker 10: To Friday, but you also have the Saturday Sunday, maybe
Speaker 10: setting up a storm in your local area, having men
Speaker 10: come out and you may get their blood pressure shed,
Speaker 10: their blue coach checked.
Speaker 12: These common things.
Speaker 10: That are all respectors for disease having those things to
Speaker 10: check in the in the comfort of their own community.
Speaker 12: You know, whether they a person going to the grocery.
Speaker 10: We can easily just get a few of these things
Speaker 10: assessed and if there is an issue, give them the
Speaker 10: information to say that, hey, this is what we found today.
Speaker 12: It would be a good idea for you to go
Speaker 12: and see.
Speaker 2: U a GP.
Speaker 10: A lot of men don't like to be forced to
Speaker 10: do things, So I think that's where the encouragement comes
Speaker 10: in and say that, hey, look, I'm not going to
Speaker 10: control you your life, but I believe that this results means,
Speaker 10: like X, Y and Z, you have this level of risk,
Speaker 10: I think it will be appropriate for you to go.
Speaker 10: And then at the end of the day, we're all humans.
Speaker 10: We have to people should be allowed to make bad decisions.
Speaker 10: So if you give a man that information and you
Speaker 10: give them the tools, is up to him to then
Speaker 10: take that.
Speaker 6: And utilize that.
Speaker 10: But you will have done the best that you can
Speaker 10: as a family, friend, as a commission and so forth.
Speaker 4: And I also want to just jump in, Can I
Speaker 4: just jump in here, Pedro and say that we can
Speaker 4: also do a lot of work within our workspaces, schools, organizations.
Speaker 4: I know, for instance, we've run meetings where we've invited
Speaker 4: certain certain businesses that cater for this, so they come
Speaker 4: in they do spot checks. And so if you're running
Speaker 4: an event as an organization, that's an interesting that's a
Speaker 4: very good thing that you can do to sort of
Speaker 4: get our men. I mean it will be men and women,
Speaker 4: but it will persuade our men to it's right, as
Speaker 4: you say, in the comfort of their own environment to
Speaker 4: get checks done. So yeah, any any HR or business
Speaker 4: leader or owner listening can use that opportunity as well,
Speaker 4: particularly in this month because we are emphasizing men's health,
Speaker 4: to bring such organizations saying to do spots spot checks
Speaker 4: for their stuff.
Speaker 8: Even churches too, like we do like belfairs maybe twice
Speaker 8: a year. And you know, and and like she said,
Speaker 8: spot say, I think you need to contact your GD.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: Like my wife she makes me do blood pressure because
Speaker 6: every like once a month, just make sure my blood
Speaker 6: pressure is okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband it was.
Speaker 8: High out the night, so she was like, oh, I
Speaker 8: was like, look, if it's high in the morning after sleep,
Speaker 8: then I'll go to the GP.
Speaker 6: But it was okay. So she was like and she
Speaker 6: did not.
Speaker 8: I'm not lying my wife. Literally, I'm laying in bed.
Speaker 8: It's about seven in the morning. All of a sudden
Speaker 8: I feel a blood pushure cup put on my arm,
Speaker 8: and all of a sudden, it's what is going Are
Speaker 8: you really like you wake me up?
Speaker 2: Just do it on my arm?
Speaker 15: What do you do?
Speaker 2: What it takes?
Speaker 7: I said, we get results?
Speaker 18: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 12: She's like you.
Speaker 6: So it was okay, So I got this. I didn't
Speaker 6: got to go see the GP this time.
Speaker 4: I'm not against our I'm not against our wives or
Speaker 4: our partners picking up the phone and making the appointments either.
Speaker 4: I mean I've done that. I've done that.
Speaker 8: If if I keep holding back, going back on what
Speaker 8: you said too, because I was thinking what you said
Speaker 8: earlier at the very beginning you was talking about we
Speaker 8: we always instead of my health, we look at the
Speaker 8: other things that we have going on in our life,
Speaker 8: and I think it's man, we have to we have
Speaker 8: to kind of realize that if we're not healthy, we
Speaker 8: can't take care of the other things that we're worried
Speaker 8: about doing. So, like you know, recently, I fell and
Speaker 8: I heard my I booked my hand on my right,
Speaker 8: I kind of like fractured my hand, and I still
Speaker 8: went to work the next day. Well not the next day,
Speaker 8: I stated. I went and got checked. They said it
Speaker 8: was a slight break, but I can still move with
Speaker 8: and stuff. So I went to work the second of
Speaker 8: the day after I should have stayed home for a
Speaker 8: couple of days unarrested. I know that, but it's like,
Speaker 8: even though I do that, I still push myself too,
Speaker 8: because I'm like, if I don't really need to take
Speaker 8: the time off, then you know, I'm not going to,
Speaker 8: you know, take the time off. But then two weeks later,
Speaker 8: I mean so much, it's.
Speaker 6: Bothered me so much. I can't function the way I
Speaker 6: need to function, and it's taken long at the hell.
Speaker 8: So I think sometimes it's made me have to realize,
Speaker 8: if you just take them a couple of days, rest
Speaker 8: goes longer than trying to push through the pain, because
Speaker 8: then you end up hutting yourself further down the road,
Speaker 8: and then you end.
Speaker 6: Up breaking down faster.
Speaker 8: So I guess that would be my you know, that
Speaker 8: would be my kind of tipp it on why men
Speaker 8: should go and see the doctor.
Speaker 6: When they should go see the doctor, then rest if
Speaker 6: they say.
Speaker 4: Rest Mark, I see your microphones off or on? Rather,
Speaker 4: is this something that you want to jump in and say.
Speaker 4: And now we're talking physical health, but I'm sure you
Speaker 4: have a comment to two here.
Speaker 6: I just think that.
Speaker 1: You know, as much as the physical health situation, the
Speaker 1: mental side of things is.
Speaker 6: It is so wide.
Speaker 1: Men don't go to doctors because of society. Big boys
Speaker 1: don't let big boys don't cry m hm. So we
Speaker 1: start to grow young men in terms of that whatever
Speaker 1: you feel, don't cry about it, don't you don't stress
Speaker 1: about it. Also, we ourselves men as if we are
Speaker 1: always we're fixers, so we think that we will always
Speaker 1: fix whatever it is that's happening to us.
Speaker 6: We'll fix it. Also, society doesn't relect be a man
Speaker 6: that is vulnerable. We talk about it a lot.
Speaker 1: And you hear people say I would love to see
Speaker 1: my man cry, but how many times do you want
Speaker 1: to see him cry? Yeah, So all these societal things
Speaker 1: that happen you find that you end up and what
Speaker 1: the doctors. Also, it's compounded and then you find that
Speaker 1: like for example, my my wife books all my appointments.
Speaker 1: I'm too busy or it's not, it's it's not keeping
Speaker 1: me in once, it's not keeping me in bed.
Speaker 6: I'm going to go to work.
Speaker 1: Yes, So it has to be very a very serious
Speaker 1: situation for a man to crawl to go to the doctor.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So yeah, that's absolutely true, doctor Saper. So the other
Speaker 8: thing I was thinking of two is that's definitely his true.
Speaker 6: Mart.
Speaker 8: I think the physical the mental does combined in this
Speaker 8: whole thing, because it's even though we're talking about the physical,
Speaker 8: some of the physical things we're talking about as the
Speaker 8: mental part of why we don't physically do what we
Speaker 8: need to do, because it's mental involved. I guess question
Speaker 8: I have for your doctors out for next was about
Speaker 8: what like health screen is can we do at home?
Speaker 8: Like what can we do at home that will benefit us?
Speaker 8: Or like keepers going as men? But then also it's
Speaker 8: kind of like a two part question. Also, what do
Speaker 8: you find as a GP is the most common denominator
Speaker 8: that affects men on a regular basis?
Speaker 6: Like the most is it? Like obesity? Is it blook?
Speaker 6: Is it diabetes? Is it stress?
Speaker 12: Okay, so I think funny enough.
Speaker 10: I even done a talk for the health team yesterday
Speaker 10: for our local church, and the title.
Speaker 12: Of my talk was the little things matter, and I
Speaker 12: think that is the key answer to the question that
Speaker 12: you didn't propose, because a.
Speaker 10: Lot of the time when we talk about help, we
Speaker 10: tend to think of the big, dramatic things.
Speaker 12: You know, you know completely revolution as.
Speaker 10: In you know what we eat, you know of throwing
Speaker 10: out all of the crapping in our cupboards and replaces
Speaker 10: with or just fruits and vegetables. We think of the
Speaker 10: extreme things, but sometimes it's the little things that also count.
Speaker 10: If you're at home, the few things that you can
Speaker 10: do to just give yourself a routine check to see
Speaker 10: how things are is number one.
Speaker 12: Your blood pressure.
Speaker 10: High blood pressure is a killer of many men, and
Speaker 10: it actually affects multiple organs in the body.
Speaker 9: So if you think of the blood vessels in your body,
Speaker 9: like plumbing.
Speaker 10: Work, there are certain organs within your body that require
Speaker 10: delicate or get small supply of pipes.
Speaker 9: So the pipes that go to these areas are very
Speaker 9: tiny and as a result, they need quite.
Speaker 10: Adequate supply of blood pressure, but as well as ensuring
Speaker 10: that their.
Speaker 12: Blood pressure is not too high.
Speaker 10: So even individual has high blood pressure, just like with pipework,
Speaker 10: if you have high blood pressure or high pressure going
Speaker 10: through if.
Speaker 12: It's more likely to burst or leak.
Speaker 10: It's the same thing with the blood vessel within our body,
Speaker 10: things such as your heart, your kidneys, your eyes, these
Speaker 10: are all structures that require small or good control of
Speaker 10: your blood pressure.
Speaker 9: So I think blood pressure is something that is very
Speaker 9: much tea and.
Speaker 10: One thing I would always advise as your wife has
Speaker 10: been doing control checking your blood pressure on a monthly basis,
Speaker 10: and if you do notice that your blood pressure is high,
Speaker 10: So normally you say that blood pressure is high when
Speaker 10: there's about one three five over eighty. So usually those
Speaker 10: sorts of values above that were usually worry So if
Speaker 10: you do see something like that, the key thing that
Speaker 10: a DP would always ask you to do is take
Speaker 10: your blood pressure for a week, take.
Speaker 9: It in the morning and in the evening, and then
Speaker 9: what you need to do is you need to take.
Speaker 10: An average of those blood pressure readings and see where
Speaker 10: your blood pressure sits.
Speaker 9: If your blood pressure is on average above that one
Speaker 9: three fib.
Speaker 10: For eighty, then go and see your GP may be
Speaker 10: a case where we need to have a conversation about
Speaker 10: what needs to.
Speaker 12: Be done to change.
Speaker 10: So that's bloo pressure. The other thing that I would
Speaker 10: always always encourage you to do is check their weight.
Speaker 10: Obviously your heights does not changed, or your weight will
Speaker 10: fluctuate throughout now weight or in other terms, obesity is
Speaker 10: a large marker of many chronic diseases.
Speaker 12: So diabetes and joints or authritis.
Speaker 10: Relate to pain and things such as your kidney, things
Speaker 10: such as heart attacks and as strokes. These are all
Speaker 10: things that are linked to the things that we take
Speaker 10: for granted. You know, sometimes when we wake up or
Speaker 10: when we are going through it, we might describe a
Speaker 10: biscuit here, a snack there, everything that, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 10: not an issue. But all of these things compound all
Speaker 10: the time, and you know when you feel like, oh
Speaker 10: it's just one biscuit, it has an impact on you
Speaker 10: for a long period of time. So I think checking
Speaker 10: your weight on a regular basis and making sure that
Speaker 10: you're keeping within what will call your ideal be a
Speaker 10: mile will be key because it reduces the amount or
Speaker 10: the risk you have to certain diseases.
Speaker 12: So wait, blood pressure and sleep.
Speaker 9: Sleep sleep sleep.
Speaker 12: That's another thing that men aren't very good at doing.
Speaker 10: You know, some people pick up night shifts, some people
Speaker 10: who work weekends, some people will only get four hours.
Speaker 9: Maybe you have a child in your you know your
Speaker 9: sleep is.
Speaker 6: Not that great.
Speaker 10: These are all things that you compound over time. You
Speaker 10: may not see the effects now, But even a simple
Speaker 10: thing that's sleeping.
Speaker 9: A good seven eight hours a day.
Speaker 10: I know that it's very dramatic and a lot of
Speaker 10: us are like, whoa, we'll sleeping that that many hours
Speaker 10: is never going to happen. But you know that sleep
Speaker 10: is linked to your risk of getting dementia or even outsiders.
Speaker 10: But it's not an issue now. But you won't see
Speaker 10: the effects now, but in due time you will see
Speaker 10: that your memory will about to be impacted. You see
Speaker 10: that you become forgetful. So these are things that you
Speaker 10: can make changes now to ensure that you're in a
Speaker 10: better position in the future.
Speaker 9: I think these are the small things.
Speaker 10: Always asks patient to focus on the small things, because
Speaker 10: the small things you can continue to do that. There's
Speaker 10: no point starting something completely crazy, a completely new diet
Speaker 10: and it only lasts one week and go back to
Speaker 10: square away. But if it's a case of Okay, I
Speaker 10: used to eat I don't know, five customer creams a day,
Speaker 10: I'm now cutting it down to two, that's great. Yes,
Speaker 10: it's not you know, you know, you're not not eating
Speaker 10: custompleans at all, but you've reduce the portion and over
Speaker 10: time you will reduce it to from two to one
Speaker 10: and eventually you won't be eating customer cleansing. But is
Speaker 10: those small steps We're always looking for something dramatic, something
Speaker 10: game changing, But is these small steps that will end
Speaker 10: up getting into that crossing.
Speaker 8: Line anicity with their oublicity being of the way they
Speaker 8: always said that when you're that, it makes your borkins
Speaker 8: work harder. Yeah, So I guess my question would be
Speaker 8: so like five to ten thing that should be about.
Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what I think.
Speaker 8: It's will be like one ninety Now realistically I'm not
Speaker 8: I'm not jumping on this stuff, but like, realistically, what
Speaker 8: would in your kid, your pigon what would be a
Speaker 8: good weight that if I can't make one ninety, what
Speaker 8: would be realistically a good like a good way for
Speaker 8: somebody that that Because I know that you want you
Speaker 8: want to like yours, the GPS wants to be.
Speaker 6: Within that that range. But is there a little is
Speaker 6: there a little leeway?
Speaker 8: Is what I'm acting is there's just a little way
Speaker 8: way leeway because some people just like to feel a
Speaker 8: little bit bigger.
Speaker 6: Than they than they are. Does that make sense what
Speaker 6: I'm acting?
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I mean the BMI is more completely accurate
Speaker 10: because some individuals have different depositions of protein in their body.
Speaker 10: Some people will have more protein than others, and obviously
Speaker 10: protein also adds to that weight. So I wouldn't say
Speaker 10: taking the bois is so viable is a key thing,
Speaker 10: but it's rather working towards that ideal weight and trying
Speaker 10: to ensure that's the actual amount of central obesity. So
Speaker 10: usually when we talk about individuals gaining fat around the belly,
Speaker 10: that is usually the worrying one or the worrying type
Speaker 10: of fact that we.
Speaker 12: Have an issue with is reducing that amount of fact.
Speaker 10: If you're gaining protein as a result of these changes
Speaker 10: that you're making, your weight stays the same, that is
Speaker 10: fine because you're losing fact and replacing them.
Speaker 12: With proteins, so that's not an issue.
Speaker 6: And one thing that we always.
Speaker 10: Advise individuals to do is one hundred and fifty minutes
Speaker 10: of exercise. That is the standard that every individual above
Speaker 10: the age of eleven should or about the age of fifteen,
Speaker 10: so it should be carrying out one hundred and fifty
Speaker 10: minutes of exercise. So that's two and a half hours
Speaker 10: of exercise throughout the week. And I'm not saying take out.
Speaker 12: I do a complete two and a half hours work
Speaker 12: out at the General. But just a case of splitting
Speaker 12: it up.
Speaker 10: It doesn't have to be in a crazy to be
Speaker 10: simply walking for thirty minutes. It can be cycling for
Speaker 10: thirty minutes.
Speaker 9: It can be running, it can be you know, swimming.
Speaker 12: There are so many activities that you can carry out.
Speaker 10: But by doing one hundred and fifty minutes of exercise
Speaker 10: a week, you know that you add three to four
Speaker 10: years and more to your life just by doing that
Speaker 10: two and a half hours of exercise a week.
Speaker 9: But people will think that this is trivial, this is oh,
Speaker 9: it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 12: This is just exercise. It shouldn't you know.
Speaker 9: I can do it here and then my work gets
Speaker 9: me to walk more than enough.
Speaker 12: But is these more subtle changes that will come down
Speaker 12: all the time.
Speaker 6: Now my wife is listening and everything you just said,
Speaker 6: my get me. That's me.
Speaker 8: I do not like the exercise, and I always think
Speaker 8: that I would say to I park about a block
Speaker 8: away from the job and walk to the job.
Speaker 6: She's like, that's not exercise. So so now, thank you
Speaker 6: very much.
Speaker 8: You just now I'm gonna have to have a discussion
Speaker 8: when I get off this point talking point to because
Speaker 8: I number wife could but like I told you, I
Speaker 8: told you.
Speaker 6: Hear it anyway. But yeah, matter of fact, she's yeah,
Speaker 6: she just texted me and said that's what I've been saying.
Speaker 6: What's happened. It's actually even going to mark.
Speaker 10: It's actually these sort of things that she helps your
Speaker 10: mental health as well, like exercises.
Speaker 8: Right, that's gonna be my next question actually, So like
Speaker 8: if you don't get enough sleep, if you don't if
Speaker 8: you are if you don't get enough sleep, if you don't.
Speaker 6: Think, wouldn't that kind of affect the way you.
Speaker 8: You make you irritable, make you responded, make you depressed,
Speaker 8: make you That goes to the mental part. So that's
Speaker 8: it's all. That's why I'm saying the physical and the
Speaker 8: mental is all combined in one, and that's why it's both.
Speaker 8: It affects both. So like you were saying, like as
Speaker 8: you get older, you can get more of a chance
Speaker 8: of dementia, but you can forget be more forgetful. But
Speaker 8: it can also make you just more of a surly
Speaker 8: male or like somebody that just always nasty all the
Speaker 8: time or just angry all the time. And you're wondering
Speaker 8: why you're angry all the time, It is because you're.
Speaker 6: Not taking care of yourself physically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that a lot of times we don't
Speaker 1: look at it all. Exercising and these things affect your
Speaker 1: mental health. One of the things I talk to my
Speaker 1: patients about is about how exercising, every time your muscles
Speaker 1: are basically contracting, your body actually secretes lopamine and serotoning
Speaker 1: into like mental health med isis into your bloodstream so
Speaker 1: that your brain can regulate your mental health. So these
Speaker 1: are the things that happen whenever I when all my patients,
Speaker 1: I talk to them about exercising, about sleeping, about even breathing.
Speaker 1: It is a wonderful thing in terms of helping people
Speaker 1: because a lot of people know, since COVID are doing
Speaker 1: on depression medication and anxiety medication and exercising and breathing
Speaker 1: and even sleeping and meditation, that's the best exercise, the
Speaker 1: best mental health medication you can use for a depression,
Speaker 1: anxiety and some other mental health illnesses.
Speaker 6: A problem is that we're living in a society that.
Speaker 12: Like Weig speaks m hm mm hmm mm hmm.
Speaker 6: And so that's one of the problems we have right now.
Speaker 6: But if someone.
Speaker 1: Doing exercising, even when in terms of addiction, when I
Speaker 1: speak to addicts and I tell them in terms of
Speaker 1: how they can be able to keep their dopemin, uncertatoonin
Speaker 1: and endurving levels at a normal level, I direct them
Speaker 1: to exercising because once Europe coming off the as I
Speaker 1: say to them, the brain does not basically say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're giving me alcohol or or if you're smoking or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. The brain says, what you're giving me
Speaker 1: a synthetic either dopa really the sretoning and derphings or
Speaker 1: something like that. So basically the moment is synthetic. What
Speaker 1: comes out to your since then give it will basically
Speaker 1: create that gap of which basic causes graving.
Speaker 6: Some triggers and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: Emphasising is the best thing to regulate your mental health.
Speaker 15: Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 4: I just want to add to what or not add
Speaker 4: but just reiterate what doctor Sapo said about small steps,
Speaker 4: especially as we're approaching the New Year's and generally about
Speaker 4: that time, everybody is about their new year resolution and
Speaker 4: they're looking at those big, major life shifting changes that
Speaker 4: we make and then we keep for about two three
Speaker 4: days or you just keep renewing that new year. You know,
Speaker 4: oh my new year is February first, it's March first.
Speaker 4: It's you know, we shift it back, we shift it back.
Speaker 4: But like you said, it's those small steps, those habits
Speaker 4: that we we create or we break, as the case
Speaker 4: might be, that will make the difference in the long run.
Speaker 4: So thanks for that.
Speaker 6: Society and going up here, for not going up going
Speaker 6: up in the States and living here. Is there. It
Speaker 6: gives us the culture because there's two different cultures. So doctor,
Speaker 6: for the.
Speaker 8: Physical part, what I find here is that the GPS
Speaker 8: are more medication lists absolutely have to. We're in the States.
Speaker 8: They just go straight to all you need, googles, the web.
Speaker 8: Take these pills, you need black blood pressure, take these pills.
Speaker 8: Whereas head the doctor will say, well, you said d
Speaker 8: the week and then we'll talk.
Speaker 6: And then before they even give.
Speaker 8: You pills, then they'll say, you know, exercise eat right,
Speaker 8: you know, let's put you on the diet.
Speaker 6: Let's do this, let's I.
Speaker 8: Can send that for a fact of going to the
Speaker 8: GB and they tried, they try everything possible before they
Speaker 8: go to medicine to try to make you to fix
Speaker 8: the palm that you may be having.
Speaker 6: Do you find do you my other? I guess the
Speaker 6: thing would be like living in the UK. One thing
Speaker 6: I learned.
Speaker 8: You guys love your coffee, and I know caffeine is
Speaker 8: one of the major things that can affect a man's
Speaker 8: physical health. And they love the alcohol intake. They love
Speaker 8: to drink. They drink they can drink the us under
Speaker 8: the table here, you know, So do you How do
Speaker 8: you find that when you're talking to the men here
Speaker 8: about the caffeine there, they're smoking the caffeine and they're
Speaker 8: just the accohol intake of trying to convince them that
Speaker 8: that's that can help them so much, along with the sleeping,
Speaker 8: because you can sleep eight hours, but if you're drinking
Speaker 8: a whole bunch of coffee, it can't it kind of
Speaker 8: does it kind of kind of act each other like
Speaker 8: you work against each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean she knows.
Speaker 12: I think it all points down to you.
Speaker 9: I was mentioning before because I never I don't.
Speaker 12: Agree with the thought of going cold Turkey.
Speaker 10: I think the smaller proportion of individuals that works for,
Speaker 10: but a large ruleship doesn't. Now we're the reason with
Speaker 10: cold Turkey is because obviously, let's say you've been smoking
Speaker 10: for ten sistors and you decide to go cold turkey today.
Speaker 9: You have to fight.
Speaker 10: Against the the nerve nervous or the nurse system pathways
Speaker 10: that have been formed over the last ten to fifteen
Speaker 10: years within that twenty four hours. And I promise you
Speaker 10: you are not going to beat your brain doing it. So,
Speaker 10: because the brain is a powerful When I say it's
Speaker 10: a powerful working, it's.
Speaker 12: An extremely powerful working.
Speaker 10: So what I always advise people when it comes to
Speaker 10: coffee smoking, whatever the addiction is, is a case of
Speaker 10: cutting it down.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 10: So if there's an x amount or let's say you
Speaker 10: smoke fifteen a day, okay, that's fine. Let's try and
Speaker 10: cut it down to maybe twelve with it. Then you
Speaker 10: set do as your new baseline, and then.
Speaker 12: You cut it down to ten and then you keep
Speaker 12: the working way at it because the way.
Speaker 10: It does is that you re set for you every
Speaker 10: time you drop it down and you stick to that,
Speaker 10: that becomes your new norm, and your brain is like Okay,
Speaker 10: we're still smoking, we're still getting the benefits, but I
Speaker 10: know that we're only smoking twelve and that becomes a
Speaker 10: new moment.
Speaker 12: Then you set it down to ten and they'll both
Speaker 12: and so forth.
Speaker 10: Well, as Mark said, we do it in the society
Speaker 10: where everybody wants that quick.
Speaker 12: Fit or I need to get it sort of like
Speaker 12: straight away.
Speaker 10: So we lack the patience to be able to take
Speaker 10: those small incremental steps which will be beneficial in the
Speaker 10: long run.
Speaker 9: And it's the same thing with you know, making money.
Speaker 10: A lot of people want to be million of years
Speaker 10: straight away, you know, but that process is a long process.
Speaker 10: It's not something that happens overnight unless you're gonna win
Speaker 10: the MTU, which let's be honest, is unlikely.
Speaker 9: I'm trying to say, of course.
Speaker 10: And I think you know, when you look at millionaires,
Speaker 10: a lot of them are you know, in their fifties,
Speaker 10: in their sixties.
Speaker 12: It did not come overnight.
Speaker 6: And it's the same thing.
Speaker 10: We're tackling our addictions, tackling our habits then breaking certain
Speaker 10: habits as well. It takes time and you have to
Speaker 10: be in it for the long run. The same thing
Speaker 10: with investment, when you put you know that good one
Speaker 10: hundred pounds in the months, you're not hoping to make
Speaker 10: a thousand the next day. Is about seeing the long
Speaker 10: goal or the long distances that you know what, I
Speaker 10: am going to keep on trying and I'm going to
Speaker 10: do what I can every single day and all the
Speaker 10: time when you look like you're like, wow, have come
Speaker 10: very far. But it's about having that patience.
Speaker 12: And the same thing. We're losing weight a lot of
Speaker 12: them this I know with this is men's months, but
Speaker 12: I'm going to catch.
Speaker 10: The ladies a bit as well. A lot of the
Speaker 10: ladies that we tend to speak to is like, you know,
Speaker 10: I want to lose you. I'm going to lose weight,
Speaker 10: and there is a lack of patience on that said,
Speaker 10: that's where a lot of people go and do you
Speaker 10: know a ze pic you know, these sort of instanting
Speaker 10: related pills they take this way.
Speaker 12: To us tease and so forth.
Speaker 6: Is the same thing as.
Speaker 12: Human beings like the fast sticks.
Speaker 10: But we have to remember that a lot of the
Speaker 10: time we're dealing with with habits that have informed multiple
Speaker 10: years in advance, and our nervous system has been rewired
Speaker 10: to go in a particular direction. It's not going to
Speaker 10: change that real hairing just because you said so today.
Speaker 10: So I think that's the key thing to remember when
Speaker 10: it comes you see either caffeine, alcohol, just trying to
Speaker 10: cut down bit by bit and see and sticking with that.
Speaker 6: In a long word, preach it, bye, brother, preaci it.
Speaker 6: That's good. Yeah, who he is?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 6: I mean definitely.
Speaker 8: I had one quit when you was talking to hit
Speaker 8: me in the head stress because you was talking about right,
Speaker 8: so physically for male, even for a woman, how much
Speaker 8: can stress affect you too? Because I think stress, I
Speaker 8: think people sleep on the fact that I remember years
Speaker 8: ago I read a book and the first thing, the
Speaker 8: first line in the book says, stress is the number
Speaker 8: one killer. It's worse than high blood pressures, is worse
Speaker 8: than heart is worse than everything that you can think of.
Speaker 8: Because when you stress, you end up. It affects everything
Speaker 8: in your body, affects all your ugs. It fix your
Speaker 8: brain and fix everything.
Speaker 6: So how does.
Speaker 8: How do you tackle something like that with somebody that's
Speaker 8: like that's very overt stressful and then that that kind
Speaker 8: of goes.
Speaker 6: Into the mental health but it's but it does affect
Speaker 6: physically though, too.
Speaker 8: So that's what I mean, like you know, it does
Speaker 8: affecture physically when you just when you're just always thinking
Speaker 8: of stuff for stressing over something. So in your as
Speaker 8: a GP, I'm totally sure you deal people that do
Speaker 8: stress a good amount.
Speaker 6: So like what do you what do you what does
Speaker 6: your take from that part health?
Speaker 10: Though, yes, I mean it's interlinked with marks areas expertise
Speaker 10: because stress, I mean, from our point of view GPS,
Speaker 10: we tend to always refer when it comes to mental
Speaker 10: health data stuff to you know, our cd T team
Speaker 10: or our furviest team and so forth, because there are
Speaker 10: certain things that we won't be able to achieve in
Speaker 10: that tend to steam and it's time for that consultation.
Speaker 10: But when it comes to the physical aspect of its
Speaker 10: always that pass on to mark. The physical aspect that
Speaker 10: we see when it comes to stress is that your
Speaker 10: body does not know that, oh your stress where you
Speaker 10: have a deadline for work. Your body interprets this stress.
Speaker 9: As, oh, we're in a fight or flight situation?
Speaker 12: Are we getting attacked? Is there like a danger nearby?
Speaker 10: That's how your body perceives that stress or that particular emotion.
Speaker 10: It does not see that, oh, you know, you just
Speaker 10: got a parking ticket and you now need to try
Speaker 10: and figure out how to get the money for it.
Speaker 10: You know, it just sees as that we're in danger,
Speaker 10: and in doing so, it actually releases hormones called cortisol,
Speaker 10: corts's stress hormone. Now, what people don't understand about cortiso
Speaker 10: is that in the short period of time it's health
Speaker 10: in terms of making you allowing you to have make
Speaker 10: a decision about fight or flight. But if you're constantly
Speaker 10: at stress, that means constantly this cortiso hormone.
Speaker 12: Is being released. Now, what cortisol does is that.
Speaker 10: It actually accelerates the amount of sugar production in your body,
Speaker 10: because your body's like, Okay, we're in a final flight situation,
Speaker 10: whether we're fighting, whether we're running away, we need sugar.
Speaker 10: We need nutrients in ability to get this body moving.
Speaker 10: So if you're constantly at stressed and your body doesn't
Speaker 10: care what it is or what the outcome of that
Speaker 10: stress is, it will release this cortosol, which will increase
Speaker 10: your sugar lot And obviously, if you have constantly high
Speaker 10: levels or sugar, you increase your chance of diabetes.
Speaker 12: So that's one number two.
Speaker 10: Cortosol will get your heart beaten more faster, and also
Speaker 10: get your pressure to increase, because again we're dealing with
Speaker 10: the fight or flight situation.
Speaker 12: Your body's trying to repay you yourself in order to
Speaker 12: do or carry out certain actions.
Speaker 10: So for instance, you're to see a lion, you that's
Speaker 10: not the ideal time for your heart to be taking it.
Speaker 10: You know, it's a wonderful sweet time. No, the heart
Speaker 10: means to between them to try and get blood around
Speaker 10: the body. So in that particular moment when cortosol released,
Speaker 10: your body can't distinguish between whether it's a lion or
Speaker 10: your work deadline.
Speaker 12: You will treat it as the same.
Speaker 10: So again, your heart rate goes up, your blood pressure
Speaker 10: goes up. Not obviously over time that increases your risk
Speaker 10: of high blood pressure. And this is just as a
Speaker 10: result of you worried about something. And that's what I
Speaker 10: was saying before in the beginning, that there is a
Speaker 10: when people think of mental health the thing that always
Speaker 10: just in the mind, but the brain is so powerful
Speaker 10: that they can actually manifest itself physically, and you start
Speaker 10: to have issues physically as a result from the stress
Speaker 10: that they're going through. So I think Mark would definitely
Speaker 10: agree in terms of distresses. That what it can quote
Speaker 10: the mental health community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, spot on the ducks. But as I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to repeat to what the doctors said,
Speaker 1: spot or I would have said the same thing. However,
Speaker 1: what happens is that most of us grew up in
Speaker 1: a stressful environment, and that is when you have top
Speaker 1: ex trauma that pops in because the body gets so
Speaker 1: cussed up to living in ice stress that the brain
Speaker 1: does not switch off. So what happens is that we
Speaker 1: our brain basically rating in a high high stress even
Speaker 1: hence why a lot of us broke.
Speaker 6: Yeah your mark.
Speaker 1: People, yes, sorry, but that yes, that's why some of
Speaker 1: us procrastinate because of the fact that we get so
Speaker 1: positive to the high stress that we're living in.
Speaker 6: The more through the.
Speaker 1: The more close the appointment or whatever it is happening,
Speaker 1: school exams or whatever it is. If we think that
Speaker 1: we perform at our best when we are stressed out,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 6: And so these are things, and so what happens the
Speaker 6: brain says, because.
Speaker 1: Of the fact that you're always in a fight flight mode,
Speaker 1: then I have to basically keep the partisan and adrenaline pumpy.
Speaker 6: And so for example, sleeping.
Speaker 1: Most of us go to bed, and the brain says,
Speaker 1: because safety is not the environment, safety is in your brain.
Speaker 1: So you can lie on in a safe house and
Speaker 1: still feel worried that somebody's gonna come in, you know.
Speaker 6: So then what happens in terms of people.
Speaker 1: Not sleeping is that the brain says, okay, one of
Speaker 1: us have to stay awake in case we got to
Speaker 1: go to fight our flight situation.
Speaker 6: So while we are awake, the brain sleeps. So in
Speaker 6: the morning.
Speaker 1: Hence why a lot of us make a lot of
Speaker 1: mistakes when we are so stressful that we are at
Speaker 1: work because at that time we're awake and the brain.
Speaker 6: Is sleeping, you know.
Speaker 1: So basically that's happening to us. And so the body
Speaker 1: basically continue to pump the cortisol. The problem as the
Speaker 1: doctor talk about cortisol and basic bleach to sugar, if
Speaker 1: it in the court that cortzol but you is basically
Speaker 1: an energy. Cortisole mixed with adrenaline gives you that energy
Speaker 1: boos okay. So it's so the body keeps popping it out,
Speaker 1: the brain keeps popping it out, and the bodies like,
Speaker 1: we have enough, what are we gonna do with all
Speaker 1: of this energy and it stores it. Hence why most
Speaker 1: of us getting you know, the belly area, because that's
Speaker 1: one of the places that breaks, it's gonna be stored.
Speaker 1: And so these are the things that happened to us.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to stress of the sort of thing,
Speaker 1: the first thing that you need to do is basically
Speaker 1: look at your brain and how your brain is operating.
Speaker 1: Looked at how you can have yourself down, relax and
Speaker 1: the other thing. That's the first thing because and if
Speaker 1: you look at in terms of how we were brought
Speaker 1: up as in our different families, that's a problem. M
Speaker 1: Cultural also is another issue.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I'm really glad we have to had the discussion,
Speaker 8: especially on the physical health and along with the mental.
Speaker 8: We're gonna put a pen in it. We're gonna go
Speaker 8: to our song singing.
Speaker 5: Yeah we surecast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's go to he has.
Speaker 6: Before we do that.
Speaker 8: Doctor South, I know you're not able to stay with
Speaker 8: much smaller, but I was, like I was saying to
Speaker 8: early in the beginning of the before we got on
Speaker 8: the radio, you are on different you know, media platforms
Speaker 8: and stuff. I don't know if you want to share
Speaker 8: so that people can see because, as I said, your
Speaker 8: reals are really insightfied. I've not watched all of the
Speaker 8: watch all a lot of them, but I did watch
Speaker 8: one or two, and I just want, you know, to
Speaker 8: put it out there. So if anybody that's listening, want
Speaker 8: to come and listen to some of the things that
Speaker 8: you did talk about, because you do cover up ward
Speaker 8: in general, you know, synopsis of health.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so yeah, sorry that I can't stay for long.
Speaker 10: Rai's been a pleasure to be on this platform, and
Speaker 10: actually we're really insight for having this conversation.
Speaker 12: I'd love to join again in the near future. But
Speaker 12: in terms of my platform, so I tend to do short.
Speaker 10: Rules or short videos to educate and provide individuals knowledge
Speaker 10: about conditioners that are coming to them.
Speaker 12: And I just weren't saying sure that people are.
Speaker 10: Empowered and able to make informed decisions about their own health.
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Speaker 12: So that's at d R s A r f O.
Speaker 10: And I'd love to hear from you guys on those platforms.
Speaker 10: Thank you once again for having me and I'll be
Speaker 10: back very shortly.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much to join us.
Speaker 8: We really appreciate your insight on the physical health of men. Definitely,
Speaker 8: we definitely will be calling you back.
Speaker 5: I look forward, take can all right, all right, so
Speaker 5: we'll go to a song now, Marvin. Stop.
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Speaker 15: He says, if you.
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Speaker 19: So you can chess.
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Speaker 6: Welcome back to talking from everybody. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6: As we were talking about.
Speaker 8: Medical health and in the physical ended up aspect of
Speaker 8: a mentor and doctor.
Speaker 6: Southold had to leave us.
Speaker 8: So we're now continue to be joined by Mark Simple,
Speaker 8: who has come on the program as we said before
Speaker 8: many of times, and he's a residential poking the point
Speaker 8: co host.
Speaker 6: He's pretty much like a cost of arts. We need
Speaker 6: to get him a T shirt.
Speaker 8: Actually, yeah, get yeah, yeah, yeah, we need get him
Speaker 8: a T shirt because it's definitely he's definitely a part
Speaker 8: of the potagon anytime we need him become so definitely.
Speaker 8: Uh So, as we were talking more just talking about
Speaker 8: the physical government and everything, so now you you deal
Speaker 8: more in some of the the physics also there mostly
Speaker 8: in the mental of men. So what what would be
Speaker 8: what in your opinion, what would be the biggest mental
Speaker 8: issue that men have when it comes to our health. Oh,
Speaker 8: I know the Boyd question, but I know you can
Speaker 8: kind of break it down. It is a broad question.
Speaker 8: One of the biggest issue men.
Speaker 6: Okay, at at present, one of.
Speaker 1: The biggest issues with facing men now in new divergence.
Speaker 1: And when I see new divergence, you have the autism
Speaker 1: aspurgis ADHD and it's now being a lot more pronounced.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest issue in all of this is
Speaker 1: that in terms of what we spoke about in the beginning,
Speaker 1: men are are free to present and actually try to
Speaker 1: understand what's happening to them. The biggest issue is not
Speaker 1: the illnesses. I think the biggest issue for men is
Speaker 1: being able to present and get diagnosed or checked out.
Speaker 1: Because most of us culturally, when we look at it,
Speaker 1: especially black men in the African diaspora, the Caribbean diaspora,
Speaker 1: the men who become with a cultural bias about being checkout.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't have mental health or breed. There are certain
Speaker 1: areas in terms of especially pass as black men, certain
Speaker 1: areas of our body does not wrong, nothing bad happens,
Speaker 1: and that the top or head at the bottom those areas.
Speaker 1: Anywhere else things can go wrong. I can get back pain,
Speaker 1: I can break my and I can break my leg,
Speaker 1: I can whatever it is.
Speaker 6: But when it comes.
Speaker 1: Tomental that these things should always stay intact.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Do you find that men?
Speaker 8: Do you find that men with mental health like, like
Speaker 8: we just said, is it just because like if they
Speaker 8: go get say like that's why they don't like to
Speaker 8: see the dact way, they don't want people get psychiatrist
Speaker 8: or of us you know, the top their problems out.
Speaker 8: Is it so what you're saying is that like a
Speaker 8: black man doesn't want to get to the bottom, like
Speaker 8: get to the bottom of why they're feeling that way.
Speaker 6: Because do you, okay, let me put it this way.
Speaker 8: Do you think that some black men or even men
Speaker 8: in general, know what part of the problem is, but
Speaker 8: they don't want to address it and that's why they
Speaker 8: don't get the help that they need. So, like, let's
Speaker 8: say I'm just looking a example. So let's say like
Speaker 8: I just lost my brother and I mentioned this last week,
Speaker 8: and I said, I need I know, I need to
Speaker 8: get I know I need to get some grief counseling
Speaker 8: because I have not thought any grief throughout this process,
Speaker 8: but I know that the grief is there. But one
Speaker 8: of my fears is that if I go get the
Speaker 8: grief counseling, it's going to bring out more then I'm
Speaker 8: probably willing to accept right now. So instead of going
Speaker 8: to get the grief counseling, I kind of just keep
Speaker 8: pushing it off and pushing it off and pushing it off.
Speaker 6: And just keep working.
Speaker 1: The question is why are you pushing it up?
Speaker 18: Right?
Speaker 6: And that's that's what I'm afraid of. That's what I'm
Speaker 6: afraid of because and.
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that they are several narrows tives
Speaker 1: that are attached to the why for example, by may
Speaker 1: be pushing it off because one, as you say, it
Speaker 1: will bring up other issues too.
Speaker 6: Even though we talk about mental health culturally.
Speaker 1: Everybody's you know, there are different words that people use
Speaker 1: that really shouldly. It's like I don't want to mainly
Speaker 1: moot most of the Africa and our guys said, I
Speaker 1: don't want people to think that I am mad, and
Speaker 1: so those words get it's still it's still root.
Speaker 6: They are still rooted in our culture.
Speaker 1: We don't want anybody to know that we having therapy
Speaker 1: or whatever, because each songs as if we're less of
Speaker 1: a man if we actually do these things.
Speaker 6: I need to get you off.
Speaker 8: And I just said when you just said the first
Speaker 8: thing you just said, I think that's part of the
Speaker 8: crunch right there. So you said that we don't want
Speaker 8: people to live we mad. I think the problem is
Speaker 8: that men over the years have instead of being able
Speaker 8: to express themselves, when they have expressed themselves, they have
Speaker 8: come off as mad and they've got it so ostracized
Speaker 8: or so they've been so like, how could you be
Speaker 8: like they don't. The person doesn't understand that they're going
Speaker 8: through something. They just think that they're being mad. So
Speaker 8: then we say, well, if they alwayn't gonna be mad,
Speaker 8: I'm just not gonna say nothing at all, because I
Speaker 8: think men as a problem sometimes when we try to
Speaker 8: express ourselves and then we don't get that response back
Speaker 8: that we think we need, then we kind of just
Speaker 8: kind of shut down and say you know what, I'm
Speaker 8: not It doesn't make a difference because they're not gonna
Speaker 8: listen to me anyway. So how can a man work
Speaker 8: through that with his mental health? And getting doesn't make
Speaker 8: sense with what I'm saying, Like, hey.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying something? Because I'm like, am I saying
Speaker 6: it right? It gets help a lot of us as
Speaker 6: men who reach out for help. We do, but it's
Speaker 6: only once. Most men only reach out for help once.
Speaker 6: In this era where GPS.
Speaker 1: Are, you know, you gotta keep calling about some forty
Speaker 1: to fifty times before you can get any.
Speaker 6: We want, we reach out.
Speaker 1: That if we are not being wored, we met shut down,
Speaker 1: we go into hiding.
Speaker 6: Because of the fact that.
Speaker 1: As men, we still we were brought up in homes
Speaker 1: where mommy did a lot of.
Speaker 6: Things for us. So, man, we need to get it straight.
Speaker 6: That is why God gives us a woman.
Speaker 1: And as you talk about our wives basically calling the
Speaker 1: GPS and so of, because of the fact that we're
Speaker 1: going to do it. If it doesn't work, we shut
Speaker 1: it down. We're not gonna you know, it's going to
Speaker 1: take a long time before we cry out for help again.
Speaker 1: And so hence why you find that we need agreement
Speaker 1: along with us two. Basically, if we cannot do it,
Speaker 1: they will basically pick it up and do our blood
Speaker 1: pressures as.
Speaker 6: To be hard before and so on.
Speaker 1: So for because of the fact that we're going to
Speaker 1: reach out and if we don't get the result we want,
Speaker 1: we shut down.
Speaker 6: So that's one of the problems we have. Yeah, go ahead, Petro.
Speaker 8: Well, so I've been there for nineteen years and I
Speaker 8: had two boys before then. And do you think having
Speaker 8: both parents in the house can help the mental health
Speaker 8: of the boy or the child? Or we're talking about men,
Speaker 8: So we're talking about boys going to men. So they
Speaker 8: get older, you know, they become more they're just being
Speaker 8: more around around, Like when you have a discussion and
Speaker 8: you're talking to a male and then they only grow
Speaker 8: up in saying a single family household, is the mental
Speaker 8: health different than somebody that grew up in a.
Speaker 6: Are married in two person household.
Speaker 1: So yes, the research has shown that there they are
Speaker 1: benefit benefit of man being in a hole.
Speaker 6: You have to understand two parents being in a hope
Speaker 6: is not the because you can have two parents in
Speaker 6: a home and a home it's a fairly dysfunctional. It's
Speaker 6: still on one parent. That's only one parents parenting. Yes,
Speaker 6: I got you right. Definitely neithern what children need. Put
Speaker 6: this for a young man, you know, or.
Speaker 1: To bolt tomate home and go in his own home
Speaker 1: with a wife and treat his wife wonderful, then you
Speaker 1: know mommy has done her job, because mommy is the
Speaker 1: one that teaches a young man how.
Speaker 6: To actually give and receive love from it from a woman.
Speaker 1: When a young woman leaves her home and basically and
Speaker 1: she has a wonderful relationship, then daddy has done his
Speaker 1: job because of the fact that collectively mommy and daddy
Speaker 1: working together make that chall around bach individual. Because of
Speaker 1: the fact that the things that mommy while mommy love
Speaker 1: and Mommy here is more emotional and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. That is more disciplinary, disciplinarian, and so children
Speaker 1: need those boundariest. So when mommy and daddy is around,
Speaker 1: you get more of a wrong with child.
Speaker 6: When it's just mommy.
Speaker 16: It is.
Speaker 6: There are a lot of as we can see that.
Speaker 1: There's so many stats all day that talks about single
Speaker 1: parental especially with mommy. The whole situation is the research
Speaker 1: has shown that children growing up with fathers to a
Speaker 1: whole lot better.
Speaker 6: Than with children growing up with mothers. Is that particularly
Speaker 6: for boys or for both.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there may be something.
Speaker 8: I go with my mother who I was fourteen then
Speaker 8: she met my father, and it definitely I think I
Speaker 8: definitely not would have.
Speaker 6: Went differently if my mother never married my father. So
Speaker 6: I can kind of see where you go with that.
Speaker 8: I guess I can see my life and then I
Speaker 8: would have been a different mindset if I didn't have
Speaker 8: my father for fourteen going up till he passed away,
Speaker 8: because he just told me different things. But like for
Speaker 8: a single parent that doesn't never never get remarried or
Speaker 8: get married, That's where I guess co parenting or having
Speaker 8: more models, or having like a mentor to help, or
Speaker 8: even reaching out and getting assistance with the different programs
Speaker 8: out there. Like when I was going there was a
Speaker 8: big brother's little sisters, and I had a guy that
Speaker 8: took you know, took me out and showed me, you know,
Speaker 8: did things with me and stuff in and things like that.
Speaker 8: So it's just getting also just getting help so that
Speaker 8: you can kind of round it, to kind of round it,
Speaker 8: you know, in a good way to help with the
Speaker 8: mental health of the child to when they get older
Speaker 8: that they're not suffering or they're not dealing with as
Speaker 8: much as maybe if they didn't have it from a
Speaker 8: young age. Because I think we have to start from
Speaker 8: a young age, which you agree that you have to
Speaker 8: start from a young age to help people with mental
Speaker 8: health issues to start to address it, I guess, or
Speaker 8: to figure out what is wrong.
Speaker 6: They kind of address it.
Speaker 1: Look move men, ill each you started from childhood, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it starts from the home environment.
Speaker 6: What's happening between also even.
Speaker 1: Start from us. We call it in you through trauble
Speaker 1: from in the worm. And I can even push it.
Speaker 6: Back further if here and here here is one of
Speaker 6: the research that game. Do you know that if your
Speaker 6: father is a cheater, that.
Speaker 1: Cheating on your mom, then basically that gene what is
Speaker 1: sarming with that child is basicly and that child has
Speaker 1: the potential to cheat.
Speaker 6: And because of the fact.
Speaker 1: So what happens when that child is born the home
Speaker 1: environment facilitated the process of that child cheating.
Speaker 4: Wow, wow, I think we might have spots on debate there.
Speaker 4: I'm sure our listeners are are mulling that one of
Speaker 4: And you've got your hand out if.
Speaker 6: You had a question, and I'd just about to tell
Speaker 6: the question.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I was kind of going to go back, and
Speaker 16: maybe it's following on a little bit for what you're saying,
Speaker 16: because you were mentioning it's quite interested to.
Speaker 7: Hear that there seems to be and I don't know
Speaker 7: why this.
Speaker 16: Maybe just increased awareness of neurodiversion conditions, but I'm just wondering,
Speaker 16: and obviously because many people, and I guess it's the
Speaker 16: same for men and women get can get diagnosed quite
Speaker 16: late because I don't necessarily think they don't ass you know,
Speaker 16: what's happening. So I'm just wondering what kind of things
Speaker 16: might present themselves that actually turn out to be some
Speaker 16: of these conditions, because sometimes you know, you hear especially
Speaker 16: with children, you know, children who kind of this seems
Speaker 16: to be quite naughty children, that a high energy, they
Speaker 16: don't sit still, all.
Speaker 7: Those kind of things. But as as you get older
Speaker 7: and an adults, they may present themselves in different ways.
Speaker 16: So I'm just wondering what things they could be. So
Speaker 16: if somebody is thinking maybe something.
Speaker 7: Seems a bit awful, not quite right, what could they
Speaker 7: be looking out for that actually could signal possibly.
Speaker 10: Can like that?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, in terms of all these things are new researchers
Speaker 1: that are coming out in terms of new divergence. Someone
Speaker 1: you in the olden times, we will say that if
Speaker 1: pay for example, adhd, adhd is hereditary, you know, under said.
Speaker 1: But then now they're realizing that adhd is not hereditary.
Speaker 1: Ad it's not it can be hereditary and it cannot
Speaker 1: be hereditary.
Speaker 6: All right, And so you ask yourself the question why
Speaker 6: what what? What's this?
Speaker 1: What's the difference? Because of the fact that as what
Speaker 1: I just say, adhd can come down with it, because
Speaker 1: of the fact that one of your parents that or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, has basically and so have adhd. And
Speaker 1: so it comes down in the g because we have
Speaker 1: to there are a lot of work now that is
Speaker 1: done on gene and what comes through the gene of
Speaker 1: of a child.
Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So then so ADHD comes down from your father, lies,
Speaker 1: it comes down from your your dad's life. Now Dad
Speaker 1: is gonna be basically marry mom. The relationship that they
Speaker 1: have is going to facilitate the process because of the
Speaker 1: fact that ADHD is basically we're main So the brain
Speaker 1: basically is in its protection. It cannot stay still right.
Speaker 1: The brain is constantly pumping up, you know, all the
Speaker 1: different adrenaline and.
Speaker 12: So on and so forth.
Speaker 6: So rom environment it's going to facilitate that process. It's
Speaker 6: just like like they say, we.
Speaker 1: Find the alcohol gene, yes, so why does this child
Speaker 1: basically even though you find the alcohology, why does the
Speaker 1: children of alcoholic becomes alcoholic on it? Because of the
Speaker 1: fact that the Whoman environment provides that if the child
Speaker 1: has choices, if the child has you know, all the
Speaker 1: different things, then children are not going to boom to that.
Speaker 1: But what they have is that they need daddy and
Speaker 1: mommy basically solving problems with alcohol. And that child brain says, well,
Speaker 1: how maybe the best place wait to deal with alcohol.
Speaker 1: This maybe the best place that they to deal with
Speaker 1: adhdsitribution so we have to start to look at it
Speaker 1: from different perspectives.
Speaker 6: That's basically what it is.
Speaker 19: Okay, So most of us, for example, when it comes
Speaker 19: to children again, what we do understand the neuroplasticity and
Speaker 19: all these different things that happens with children.
Speaker 1: We think children are Oh, don't worry about them. And
Speaker 1: we hear people we say this, don't worry about them.
Speaker 1: They they're not gonna understand this.
Speaker 6: They may not understand what they are making, meaning hm hm.
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, I think we need to give kid more credit.
Speaker 6: So for example, listen to this baby in the boom.
Speaker 1: It's already saying whether outside of this boom it's faith
Speaker 1: or whether.
Speaker 9: It is not.
Speaker 1: The baby also knows songs of voices who are safe
Speaker 1: and who are not.
Speaker 6: Now, I have a child in the boom.
Speaker 1: That hasn't started, and they haven't been a tree or whatever.
Speaker 1: It is already making meaning means that the moment that
Speaker 1: child comes out of the book, the child is already saying, well, look,
Speaker 1: I am in an unsafe or I'm in a safe environment.
Speaker 1: Hence why some of us got clay babies, and hence
Speaker 1: why some of us have babies that can explore and
Speaker 1: mom and daddy, because you know, praise every because of
Speaker 1: the fact that we're already setting this child of the
Speaker 1: either be successful for the either not.
Speaker 6: I like that, and it puts the honest on our parents.
Speaker 4: It puts the honest on our parenting to be vigilant,
Speaker 4: to to to do the work so that we're providing
Speaker 4: safe spaces, we're providing opportunity for for our children to
Speaker 4: get the support they need. And I know this is
Speaker 4: this is this is not easy because, as we've already discussed,
Speaker 4: the NHS is overwhelmed. It may take persistence, it must
Speaker 4: be may take just being maybe loud, vocal, present, whatever
Speaker 4: it means to make sure that you're getting the help
Speaker 4: that you need. And I'm talking to parents and I'm
Speaker 4: even talking to our men. I know it's not maybe
Speaker 4: the popular thing or the done thing, but sometimes when
Speaker 4: we're when we're struggling and we're suffering, we need to
Speaker 4: wave our hands, make our presence felt and get the
Speaker 4: support we need because oftentimes we may be ignored or
Speaker 4: put to the bottom of the list because the support
Speaker 4: system is struggling. The NHS is struggling. Waiting lists are
Speaker 4: six months strong. So yeah, let's find our networks. Let's
Speaker 4: find our support systems, whether it's a church, whether it's
Speaker 4: our community, whether it's.
Speaker 6: Our family or wives.
Speaker 4: Just raise our hands and say, you know what, I
Speaker 4: think I'm struggling here, or I think something is wrong
Speaker 4: and we need to we need to look into it.
Speaker 8: That's actually read my next point, Mark, what do you
Speaker 8: what do you say to Like we talked about the
Speaker 8: physical way they said, like we were talking about how
Speaker 8: the woman nags.
Speaker 6: The husband to go get you know, get see the doctor.
Speaker 8: The kind it kind of applies even in the mental
Speaker 8: health of a male too, would you say, I mean,
Speaker 8: I know it may be a little bit different in
Speaker 8: the sense of a lot of times they make the
Speaker 8: male may get more irritated or more like leave me alone.
Speaker 12: I'm fine.
Speaker 8: But and what what what could a woman, us a
Speaker 8: wife do that can help a male that may not
Speaker 8: want to admit that he may need some some some
Speaker 8: help or that his mental like, you know, not recognize
Speaker 8: that he's struggling mentally.
Speaker 1: I think that because us men, we just show that women,
Speaker 1: when women talk, they lower their stress levels, when men.
Speaker 6: Talk increase stress levels.
Speaker 1: Right, So aband the quiet plate actually online?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 6: Is quiet?
Speaker 1: However, what our wives can do if the male has
Speaker 1: a trusted friend that it can let.
Speaker 6: I think it's more us raising the topic.
Speaker 5: Mark, You've gone a little quiet, so I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: ask you to speak.
Speaker 1: We need to raise these topics with because of the
Speaker 1: fact that nobody will actually start talking about this as
Speaker 1: men were suffering, young men are suffering, us, as older
Speaker 1: men are suffering. And because of the fact that we
Speaker 1: don't have a forum where we can raise the topics either.
Speaker 6: At home in the church.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 6: Because of the fact that a lot of times, and again.
Speaker 1: That the whole premise of you know, I told him so,
Speaker 1: it's it's like even this program here, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of wives are going to basically be on men
Speaker 1: their husband as if I told you so, you should
Speaker 1: have done this, you should have done that, you know,
Speaker 1: bring it back, uh and talk half that the topic
Speaker 1: opening of talk about it.
Speaker 6: What asked him?
Speaker 1: What are are different ways he can basically work with
Speaker 1: to actually either go to the doctor to actually ea
Speaker 1: rest an issue. And because of the fact that we're
Speaker 1: not gonna basically just jump up and go pop the therapy.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Sure, So it's about having that conversation that is in
Speaker 1: a safe.
Speaker 6: Environment for both men.
Speaker 1: Because if a man feels if you are treating him
Speaker 1: like a child, even though he wants that, at.
Speaker 6: Times, he's gonna shut down. Mhmm.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's about opening it up, having that conversation and yeah,
Speaker 1: and do.
Speaker 6: You have a question.
Speaker 8: What are you talking? I can't Hey, okay, all right,
Speaker 8: And I'm sorted a little bit of that's love that
Speaker 8: I mean to do that. Yeah, I really, yeah, I
Speaker 8: agree with you totally with that. I think my wife
Speaker 8: and I we I can get a little into the
Speaker 8: still of my wife when she when she comes to
Speaker 8: me with stuff like that. I'm trying to get better
Speaker 8: at it, not saying I get like mad.
Speaker 6: I'm just like, you know, just leave me a lot.
Speaker 8: I'm fine, But like you said, she just keeps like
Speaker 8: plotting me insane to me, you know, like listen, I'm
Speaker 8: just worried about you.
Speaker 6: I just want to you know, just want to bring
Speaker 6: it to your attention.
Speaker 8: And then she wouldn't even say like think about it,
Speaker 8: like because she does give me the time to sit
Speaker 8: and you know, by myself, and she'll say, well she
Speaker 8: gonna sit off and think about it and come back
Speaker 8: and then we get talk like so I think that
Speaker 8: does just to help with the as a male, help with.
Speaker 6: The mental health of what you're going through.
Speaker 8: Sometimes you just need to be able to take a
Speaker 8: minute and think, to try to get all the because
Speaker 8: I think sometimes its nails. We have so much things
Speaker 8: going on in ahead at once that we we get
Speaker 8: we get confused and all the all everything, and then
Speaker 8: we don't fix the issue that we need to fix,
Speaker 8: and then then the mental part that you know comes up.
Speaker 6: Because the thing about it is this that as men,
Speaker 6: one of the things that we don't talk about is
Speaker 6: getting overwhelmed. Yeah, there's so much locally, there is so much.
Speaker 1: We have to think about, you know, and because of
Speaker 1: the fact that we don't talk about it, everybody assume that,
Speaker 1: oh the word about it, he's fine, and not realize
Speaker 1: it that easily happened where this one can be overwhelmed
Speaker 1: and you just don't know about it.
Speaker 6: And and that's where the conversation.
Speaker 1: I think maybe because my wife's bless her, she's a
Speaker 1: wonderful woman. People's are therapies that we operate, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: way she knows. I don't like when I go to
Speaker 1: the top four EXCEP. When I go to the doctor,
Speaker 1: by doctor say should I put nine nine nine on
Speaker 1: speed dial? Because you actually hear in front of me.
Speaker 6: I don't turn out, you know, I would put you know,
Speaker 6: so they always you see I turned up. What she
Speaker 6: does for is that she's like, Mark, look my book
Speaker 6: misappointment for you. You're going you know. So it comes
Speaker 6: down to our wives in pufty. You need to know
Speaker 6: each other. You need to understand each other.
Speaker 1: The fighting and Lisa tried to know each other. Try
Speaker 1: to understand talk about these things, and so you know
Speaker 1: your partner and you know what are the strengths and
Speaker 1: what are their businesses. My businesses is booking appointment. My
Speaker 1: wife knows that and so she books the appointments for me.
Speaker 1: But if we did have those conversations, she would have
Speaker 1: been on the wisel.
Speaker 6: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Can I just.
Speaker 6: Ladies have a question? Well, you're both standing there looking
Speaker 6: like you have something to say.
Speaker 4: Well, it's basically to share some stats and get your
Speaker 4: thoughts on it. Mark and the rest of the team.
Speaker 4: Because I was in preparation for this program looking at them,
Speaker 4: and I've got them right today. I've spilled stats out
Speaker 4: before and got them completely wrong. But it's dismal and
Speaker 4: the picture is looking quite bleak, and I want to
Speaker 4: know Mark, if this is what you're seeing in your
Speaker 4: own practice, and then oh, we can look at addressing it.
Speaker 4: It says three or four suicides and men in the UK,
Speaker 4: So that's approximately fourteen men died daily in the UK.
Speaker 4: Yet men, as we've been discussing, are less likely to
Speaker 4: seek help. I'm going to say it again, three or
Speaker 4: four suicides of men. As approximately fourteen men die daily.
Speaker 4: That's fourteen men too many in the UK, yet men
Speaker 4: are less likely to seek help. In addition, black men
Speaker 4: are seventeen percent more likely to be diagnosed than are
Speaker 4: white counterparts for mental illnesses, seventeen.
Speaker 5: Percent more likely.
Speaker 4: Than all black and white counterparts to be diagnosed with
Speaker 4: mental illness. And a lot of these stats relate to
Speaker 4: men who are under fifty, so these are young men
Speaker 4: by all accounts, Mark, are you seeing this in your practice?
Speaker 4: I mean, do these figures sound skewed? The sound about right?
Speaker 18: And what do we do?
Speaker 6: What do we do? I would say they are about
Speaker 6: right at five percent.
Speaker 1: I think it is underreported, especially within the black community.
Speaker 6: It's underreported when it comes to as I said before
Speaker 6: in the other programs. I wrote in paper or.
Speaker 1: The effects of PTSD and complex PTSD within the Black
Speaker 1: and Ethnic Minority community, and they said black men are
Speaker 1: twenty times more likely to commit suicide than the white
Speaker 1: pump part or because of the fact that the black
Speaker 1: what I really realized, because of the fact that the
Speaker 1: black community is hush hush m hm. Those things are
Speaker 1: not reported, those suicide attempts are not reported, are not
Speaker 1: even to our family.
Speaker 22: Wow.
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that we're faithful. Again, the stigmatism
Speaker 1: that is running within the black and ethnic minority community.
Speaker 1: The research show also black a young man is seventeen,
Speaker 1: as you said, in terms of diagnosed with mental health.
Speaker 1: And because of the fact that the first thing, and
Speaker 1: I've worked in a lot when I was working with
Speaker 1: NHS in a lot of mental health units and.
Speaker 6: So on and so forth, the first thing that they think.
Speaker 1: When a black child homon talk about mental health is
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 6: They're lying.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: So there is a barrier in terms of in terms
Speaker 6: of treatment.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you think that this young man is
Speaker 1: lying whatever he says, basically.
Speaker 6: You're not listening. Two is that you know he wants
Speaker 6: to get off of with work easy or whatever.
Speaker 18: So there's a lot of around A young think about him,
Speaker 18: a young black boy six two, six feet three coming
Speaker 18: and saying that he's having anxiety.
Speaker 6: And he's not six feet two, six ft three all.
Speaker 6: He's also six feet two, six feet three.
Speaker 17: Wide, so he's you know, he's passive, and I work
Speaker 17: with him, and you look at this guy, you have
Speaker 17: to actually say, sit.
Speaker 6: Down and listen to them.
Speaker 5: Because the whole sitting step needs.
Speaker 1: To be change is that the church has in part
Speaker 1: of playing it. And I think the problem again is
Speaker 1: that we is a church a partab with these things.
Speaker 23: Also yeah, uh see see in terms of our laity
Speaker 23: and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: A young black boy picked up a joint smoke. He
Speaker 1: has been suffering with that illness for over eight years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Angie, want go ahead?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I was gonna say, Angie had a
Speaker 4: question regarding the church as well, which might come in
Speaker 4: quite nicely here as well.
Speaker 16: That's yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, it's interesting that
Speaker 16: you do mention that, because I'm also wondering, you know,
Speaker 16: what our church, our church could do more of, because really,
Speaker 16: when we think about it, especially from coming from a
Speaker 16: Christian perspective, there are lots of kind of probably biblical
Speaker 16: principles about us looking after our body doing things, but
Speaker 16: kind of tapping into it's something that's doctor South has
Speaker 16: said at the beginning where sometimes men don't necessarily think
Speaker 16: they have the time or they have other responsibilities, et
Speaker 16: cetera that kind of almost outweigh the need for them
Speaker 16: to think, oh, it's really important for me to go
Speaker 16: to the doctors or go and get myself checked out
Speaker 16: or seek therapy or support, when actually, I mean, ultimately
Speaker 16: I think it's in Corinthians first, Crinthians six or was
Speaker 16: nineteen twenty where it's saying that our bodies are a temple,
Speaker 16: and you know, we need to honor God with our bodies.
Speaker 7: So that kind of underlying principle.
Speaker 16: I wonder how much as a church we really do
Speaker 16: promote that talk about that. But in a way that's
Speaker 16: kind of understanding. As you're talking about the need to
Speaker 16: listen to understand where people's situations are. I don't think
Speaker 16: it's quite as clear cut as you know, this is
Speaker 16: what you're supposed to do, because there are so many
Speaker 16: complex things within that. But I guess, you know, is
Speaker 16: it right to kind of highlight some of those principles
Speaker 16: because they're there, you know, the basic things that we're doing,
Speaker 16: making sure that we are eating right, we get enough rest,
Speaker 16: we have the right kind of levels of responsibility.
Speaker 7: You know, how can we kind of.
Speaker 16: Encourage those principles but in a kind of caring, listening
Speaker 16: way that it just doesn't gloss over the surface.
Speaker 7: It really gets to d you know. And Jesus, he
Speaker 7: you know, he kindlights the importance of rest.
Speaker 16: When he was under stress and pressure, he went to
Speaker 16: find a quiet place, you know, away from the hustle
Speaker 16: and bustle.
Speaker 7: Of everything and away from his his responsibilities that his
Speaker 7: under might be. Yeah, Yeah, I'm just wondering how how
Speaker 7: can we as a church do that better?
Speaker 6: Most of the churches that have been to.
Speaker 1: Observe most of other churches basically what I call it
Speaker 1: into what we call religiosity, okay, and that is if
Speaker 1: you look at most churches, no, we have at least
Speaker 1: a deer is a campaign happening early spring, and there
Speaker 1: is a campaign normally happens sometimes it sent them October
Speaker 1: side right, spiritual. Where is the campaign for mental health?
Speaker 1: Where is the campaign for see what I'm saying so
Speaker 1: basically we have stopped saying pray, brother, pray and praise
Speaker 1: is the prey. And what we've done with just basically
Speaker 1: acting it out. You know, all our issues are going
Speaker 1: to be solved by a campaign in terms of and
Speaker 1: so that's how most of the churches now are behaving.
Speaker 1: We don't run any depression or anxiety will work within
Speaker 1: the church, which most of the young people and even
Speaker 1: a lot of old folks are basically suffering from. We're
Speaker 1: not going to do that because it doesn't look good.
Speaker 6: M hm, doesn't sound.
Speaker 1: So things like bay one of another's borders is not
Speaker 1: gonna basically be be sorted in church because church is
Speaker 1: not a safe place for anybody.
Speaker 4: We bear the burtons up to a point.
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that I may not be able
Speaker 1: to yeah, I may not be able to deal with.
Speaker 6: Your body, you know what.
Speaker 1: For example, what happens when someone gets up and say
Speaker 1: I was doing this or whatever it is, The.
Speaker 6: First thing we do as a church is jumped to
Speaker 6: shut them up.
Speaker 1: We take them out the back and somebody talk with them,
Speaker 1: and then we let them go free. We don't basicly
Speaker 1: say well you know what, we you know, we have
Speaker 1: this I'm gonna contact this person for you or whatever
Speaker 1: it is we you know, so the truth and again
Speaker 1: if we actually wrap it up in it's houltrue. Well,
Speaker 1: the look at the churches and all the churches that
Speaker 1: we have within the Culting Conference or or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's predominantly either Afro Caribbean or Afro you know, or Africa, yes,
Speaker 1: and mixed up. So those whatever it is that we're
Speaker 1: coming with church basically probably from battle, the stigmas and
Speaker 1: everything is coming from battle, and pup with that, we
Speaker 1: have to deal with the subtle racisms that are happening
Speaker 1: with in our society.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Angie, can I can I ask you to come
Speaker 4: in here because I know you're Your church in particularly
Speaker 4: has a very robust is it a mental health team
Speaker 4: or and maybe some some tips or or best practices
Speaker 4: can be shared with with our listeners. Sorry, Petro, I mean.
Speaker 2: You there where.
Speaker 7: Do you have a mental health and well being team?
Speaker 7: And there's a team made up.
Speaker 16: Of practitioners and really it's about kind of highlighting the
Speaker 16: importance and recognizing and being aware of your mental health.
Speaker 7: So they've done a range of things from there's always.
Speaker 16: A message in out bull liveting highlighting something I think,
Speaker 16: you know, whether it's just encouraging you you know that
Speaker 16: you're not so I think today's one was if you
Speaker 16: feel like you're struggling, you know that you're not alone,
Speaker 16: you're special, you're value, et cetera.
Speaker 7: So there's always something in the bulleteer they've.
Speaker 16: Run, They do PM spots within Saddle School, and then
Speaker 16: they work with They've worked with different departments, the youth,
Speaker 16: the seniors, running workshops or having space, you know, taking
Speaker 16: space to actually have those conversations, and.
Speaker 7: Offering their support from a group level right down.
Speaker 16: To individuals as well. I mean recently our church has
Speaker 16: gone through a real period of loss grief, and you know,
Speaker 16: they've been on hand to kind of support people, and
Speaker 16: whether that's just kind of giving you a hug or
Speaker 16: just you know, praying with you, just being there for
Speaker 16: people to talk to, but against really highlighting the need
Speaker 16: for you know, for you to be doing something about it.
Speaker 7: You know, it's important and I think as well, it's
Speaker 7: really important.
Speaker 16: To highlight that it's not just when you're having a crisis,
Speaker 16: because often people will reach out when things are going
Speaker 16: completely wrong. It really should be our lifestyle choice should
Speaker 16: be things that we're doing naturally, which is why I
Speaker 16: kind of think, you know, the whole idea when we
Speaker 16: think about the biblical principles, it's right there.
Speaker 7: But how we should be living our lives, you know.
Speaker 16: The Bible is full of those promises, full of those
Speaker 16: key tips and everything else.
Speaker 7: And sometimes I wonder whether we for kind of forget that,
Speaker 7: and I cirvile of that.
Speaker 16: It's very easy to think I know what I should
Speaker 16: be doing, but sometimes you need the encouragement.
Speaker 7: From wherever it's coming from really from a you know,
Speaker 7: where its from a biblical.
Speaker 16: Perspective, or you've got these practitioners who are sharing with
Speaker 16: you practical tips on how to do this, you know,
Speaker 16: because as you said, whilst I recognize prayer, it is
Speaker 16: all important if I'm struggling with.
Speaker 12: Something that may not actually be what I need.
Speaker 16: It may to be someone to kind of hold my
Speaker 16: hands and say, you know what, you've got this, and
Speaker 16: if you need some help, come and talk.
Speaker 7: To me, you know, And I know for me that's
Speaker 7: been very helpful, especially of the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 16: So having those kind of initiatives, and again there's lots
Speaker 16: of things they can't do everything, and they're starting as
Speaker 16: small as it were, but I think it's a really
Speaker 16: great start to kind of just really hard and it's
Speaker 16: been quite amazing to see the impact and how people
Speaker 16: have been able to share, open up and just kind
Speaker 16: of it can be very scared to be that vulnerable
Speaker 16: as well, but actually being open to talk about it,
Speaker 16: and I'm fit doing some dedicated work with our men
Speaker 16: as well as going to be very very key saws
Speaker 16: Dissy into my kind of beau. It was a National
Speaker 16: Men's Health Day earlier on this week, and the theme
Speaker 16: was about you know, men's mental health champions, and I
Speaker 16: think really it's really key for not only the women
Speaker 16: and the in the women in people's lives to be supported,
Speaker 16: but men supporting each other, you know, and being the
Speaker 16: champions of everybody else's mental health and supporting each other,
Speaker 16: which was a key thing that kind of came out
Speaker 16: when we respected the Men's Ministry Department, Devon and his
Speaker 16: team about Iron, Iron Sharpmouth Iron and how we you know,
Speaker 16: you support each other as men, you help them, you
Speaker 16: encourage them because for some markets, as you said, there
Speaker 16: may be many young men and many men who have
Speaker 16: never really had that kind of nurture and environment.
Speaker 7: Some manychap saying, you know, giving you a heart rcre
Speaker 7: telling you I love you or I appreciate you, that
Speaker 7: kind of thing.
Speaker 16: You know, they're coming from a trauma place and that
Speaker 16: informs their behavior.
Speaker 7: But trying to kind of change that stigma, change that story,
Speaker 7: change that.
Speaker 16: Narrative, what there can be is all important. And you know,
Speaker 16: initiatives that ones, we have them from.
Speaker 7: The starting end, but we've got at Balam is a
Speaker 7: great way to start.
Speaker 16: So I definitely really encourage the churches to kind of,
Speaker 16: you know, seek at those people because you've probably got
Speaker 16: those I said, practitioners with your age within your churches
Speaker 16: and communities that you can call upon to do that.
Speaker 16: But so yeah, so I guess you know, it's it's
Speaker 16: a good it would be a good way to start. Yeah,
Speaker 16: you know, sometimes we question about whether.
Speaker 7: Xenerine I always have a conversation. Do men really have
Speaker 7: these conversations?
Speaker 16: Did they talk? Did they open up to each other?
Speaker 16: And I think they probably do in smaller pockets. But
Speaker 16: there's more to be done, and I think as a
Speaker 16: church and as Christians, we should be able to change
Speaker 16: that narrative that the society has been peddling for many years,
Speaker 16: you know, telling you a situation.
Speaker 6: I was in America, New York a few weeks ago
Speaker 6: and a friend of ours, a friend of or.
Speaker 1: As basically I know this individual citizens and box, if
Speaker 1: you want to put it that way.
Speaker 6: We grew up in the you know, in church, we
Speaker 6: hang out and everything like that. I'm for and myself
Speaker 6: and my brother, my brother came.
Speaker 1: I was doing a presentation in New York and my
Speaker 1: brother came to support me, and this friend came to
Speaker 1: see us, and we were just sitting chatty and this.
Speaker 6: Guy dropped the ball on us. I never knew that
Speaker 6: this guy.
Speaker 1: Was suffering from anxiety.
Speaker 6: And these things I am telling you.
Speaker 22: She's my brother and I know and whether he did
Speaker 22: open up and talk us about me, I, myself and
Speaker 22: my brother were looking at each other like.
Speaker 6: Far to something. We know you over forty over fifteen years,
Speaker 6: and we never know this about you.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we assume that men are having those conversations and
Speaker 1: really a truly or not, because for us it's difficult
Speaker 1: and and here is the keep them. I asked the question,
Speaker 1: so what are you going to do about it? And
Speaker 1: they look at me as if why are you asking
Speaker 1: us that question.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, or we can ask sometimes when we hear these things,
Speaker 1: we rush stay in hell and and and we have
Speaker 1: to have the.
Speaker 6: Right time. Yeah, and that's one of the problems. Again.
Speaker 1: We can we ask questions, but the wrong MHM allow
Speaker 1: this individual to basically be able to say, yes.
Speaker 6: I need its help.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because of the fact that not all of us
Speaker 1: are talking about it. And I think that the church, Yeah, Angie,
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot about Ballot and I'm very happy
Speaker 1: for Ballot Church and their mental health. But I think
Speaker 1: that most of our churches need to even if it's
Speaker 1: a little thing that little and basically help people to
Speaker 1: do some.
Speaker 6: Work in you know.
Speaker 1: Again, we run out into the community and not looking
Speaker 1: at what's happening in our churches, and we need charity
Speaker 1: begins at home when these things happening.
Speaker 6: So I would say and Parner Store counseling service.
Speaker 1: But I know we had started a number of years
Speaker 1: ago running mental and support groups in different churches.
Speaker 6: So so talktal since the teen.
Speaker 9: Be or the.
Speaker 1: Stone, they would be able to one of us can
Speaker 1: form entreeing up individuals with Indian churches.
Speaker 6: In terms of to run these groups.
Speaker 2: And tow and so on and so forth, so fantastic.
Speaker 1: So we have a wealth of professionals HM were now
Speaker 1: utilizing them.
Speaker 8: I was actually gonna say that, so on that note
Speaker 8: of Devon, I was gonna say that anybody listening like
Speaker 8: that in the church or like they can, can't they
Speaker 8: contact Dallum to talk to Devon so that he can
Speaker 8: because I know, not just in the church and Ballance
Speaker 8: Church himself, he also does it for men's health outside
Speaker 8: the church. He has mess programs, men's only programs and
Speaker 8: stuff and events and stuff online on zoom in person too,
Speaker 8: and that they are they're actually very well well done
Speaker 8: and they're very well received and that. So like if
Speaker 8: you want to find out I guess I don't know,
Speaker 8: if you contact the plum and then Devin.
Speaker 4: Will contact the station.
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, so that you could get more information on that,
Speaker 24: because it's definitely there's a lot of stuff out there,
Speaker 24: like you said, Mark, that we just don't know it's
Speaker 24: there and it's sitting right there, but nobody, nobody utilizes it.
Speaker 6: That it needs to be utilized. Yeah, definitely, And I
Speaker 6: think that one of the things that.
Speaker 1: We need to do all suits train up people that
Speaker 1: are willing to do this work within the churches too.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, we kind of.
Speaker 1: Or young people that you know, especially young men and
Speaker 1: so and so doing different things that and they need
Speaker 1: that guidance and we need to be able to work
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 6: So that church can grow and we can help each o.
Speaker 8: All right, Well, we're gonna have to put a pin
Speaker 8: in it because, as we always say, time going so
Speaker 8: fast talking and next thing you know, we're like, how
Speaker 8: can we get two hours of this? We we always
Speaker 8: did until we said how we're gonna do two hours?
Speaker 8: And then we like, we need more than two hours.
Speaker 8: So yeah, we'll come, we'll come to the time that
Speaker 8: we have to get ready to sign off. But we
Speaker 8: want to thank Mark so much for helping us and
Speaker 8: coming on and giving us the knowledge you know and
Speaker 8: understanding doctor for coming on earlier. And we're definitely gonna
Speaker 8: have your web back on again. Maybe maybe individually because
Speaker 8: I think we can actually do like a mense ment
Speaker 8: health for the whole two hours, and we can definitely
Speaker 8: have a physical but just so much to unpacked. There's
Speaker 8: so much to unpack that an hour doesn't give justice
Speaker 8: sometimes to what you need to talk about and.
Speaker 4: We're looking forward maybe to bringing bringing some other persons
Speaker 4: on the planel And we always say it. We always
Speaker 4: say around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I tell you right now, we do around. We
Speaker 6: do around table. So we mights to talk.
Speaker 8: We might as to talk to the to the manager
Speaker 8: of vegemating and say, look, we need three hours or something.
Speaker 6: Around table is not gonna be two hours is not
Speaker 6: gonna be enough. I'm gonna take you that right now.
Speaker 2: That's all good. That's all good.
Speaker 6: I guarantee you that, so you know, but we'll work
Speaker 6: on that in the future.
Speaker 7: Also be good. Has to be a qucket thing for
Speaker 7: one of our talk reports on the talking points on
Speaker 7: the road as well.
Speaker 16: And it would be a great kind of way to
Speaker 16: kind of if you could get and I say, weep
Speaker 16: as a woman as a group, you know.
Speaker 7: Come together actually mean price or have that kind of discussion.
Speaker 7: If we're allowed to kind of do that sort of thing.
Speaker 8: But yeah, maybe do one, maybe do one that's not
Speaker 8: recording one and then break it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, just do it.
Speaker 8: And then how long it goes, it goes, and then
Speaker 8: we just break it up and sort it out. We
Speaker 8: figured it out later. So you have ways to get
Speaker 8: ways to do it, so pre record.
Speaker 6: What we do is pre record topic, yes.
Speaker 8: Around table and period card. So ever it goes over
Speaker 8: two hours, because still we don't we're not.
Speaker 4: We're not time abound.
Speaker 6: Were just having time restraint, So.
Speaker 7: We just do it.
Speaker 8: If it's three four hours, that's fine, and then we
Speaker 8: can break it up and then put it over what
Speaker 8: to the shows kind of the kind of like maybe
Speaker 8: a series.
Speaker 6: Of like something like that.
Speaker 4: Just this is a good point to say that we're
Speaker 4: thinking of doing actual live workshops. So maybe that might
Speaker 4: be the context of the place that we can do
Speaker 4: something like this. We're put that out then putting it
Speaker 4: out there, and it could be as part of an
Speaker 4: a y program, but it could be that we set
Speaker 4: up something in a community center or something like that.
Speaker 4: We will invite our listeners to come along meet you guys,
Speaker 4: but also maybe have conversations like this, and it's not
Speaker 4: going to be recorded. I'm not not going to be live,
Speaker 4: so we don't have to worry about the time. But
Speaker 4: we can share and we can discuss because as we can,
Speaker 4: I mean, there's lots to talk about, and I know
Speaker 4: our men are listening and really gaining something from this discussion.
Speaker 4: So yeah, let's keep the conversation going.
Speaker 6: So I'm pretty sure that you looked up because I didn't.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, do you look I know we have Cornerstone, yes,
Speaker 8: well as what's the other I'm going.
Speaker 4: To put you on this Samaritans. I believe there's one
Speaker 4: one six one one six yes for the Samaritans, so
Speaker 4: you can contact them. And also there's a lot of
Speaker 4: information on mind Mine's website that you can leverage. Angie,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you've got any more. There are
Speaker 4: several and some that are bespoke, so I bespoke is
Speaker 4: the right word here, but some that deal with particular things,
Speaker 4: so whether it's suicide prevention or young people or whatever
Speaker 4: the case might be, whatever you are dealing with specifically,
Speaker 4: I'm certain that you'll find resources on the online or
Speaker 4: obviously go through your GP because some some things online
Speaker 4: may not be as reliable, So make sure you're getting
Speaker 4: reliable sources for your your information and your help. But
Speaker 4: the first port of call I would say to anyone
Speaker 4: listening anywhere in the world is to go to your
Speaker 4: GP and they can signpost you to where where you
Speaker 4: need to be.
Speaker 2: You need to go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I get to say this now, Dear.
Speaker 4: It's all right, so right, definitely, Father, thank you so
Speaker 4: much for this conversation. I feel it's been impactful. I
Speaker 4: feel that it's made a difference to those who have listened.
Speaker 4: I want to pray in particular for doctor Sappho and
Speaker 4: for Mark. May you bless them, Bless the work that
Speaker 4: they're doing in their communities, Bless the work that they're
Speaker 4: doing in their homes and in their churches online. I
Speaker 4: know that you're calling them to different corners of the world,
Speaker 4: and we just want you to go with them and
Speaker 4: enlarge in their territory because they're doing such wonderful work,
Speaker 4: not just for men, but for people, for people who
Speaker 4: are hurting both physically and mentally. And Lord, bless the
Speaker 4: talking point team, the wider Ail team, and of course
Speaker 4: bless our listeners. Once again, I hope that anyone who's
Speaker 4: struggling with these topics, with these issues will find the
Speaker 4: strength and the courage to get the support they need
Speaker 4: and to know that they're not suffering alone, because Lord,
Speaker 4: you've promised, You've promised. And Joshua, one night and you say,
Speaker 4: have I not commanded you be strong enough? Good courage,
Speaker 4: do not be afraid nor be the smith, for I
Speaker 4: am with you in Jesus' name. We thank you, Amen
Speaker 4: and amen.
Speaker 6: Joining point today as you always say, my name.
Speaker 4: Is, my name is Anja. Oh goodbye.
Speaker 2: One day we'll get it right.
Speaker 6: That's what we did. It good that we absolutely perfect.
Speaker 6: Once in a blue is better than.
Speaker 4: Nothing, indeed indeed, and we'll keep at it. Bye, guys,
Speaker 4: God bless you.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mark.
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