WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:02.160 Adventist Radio London. 2 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:03.680 Inspiration for the. 3 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:16.920 Song Welcome the Talking Point with Ray Sen Pedro. 4 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:19.559 Angela, discussing the hot topics. 5 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:23.399 And answering your questions, Saturdays, five to seven pm. 6 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:24.719 On Adventist Radio London. 7 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:25.920 It's talking point. 8 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:27.320 It's talking point. 9 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:31.920 It's talking point, it's talking point, real conversations. 10 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:32.960 You need to have. 11 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.560 Good evening, good evening. We are running a little bit late, 12 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:42.560 but I'm glad you've stayed with us. It's talking Point 13 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:48.359 on your Sabbath evening here and it's really good, really 14 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:51.640 really good to have you with us. We're live in studio. 15 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:53.920 We're not often live, or we're not always live, let's 16 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.960 change that. But we are live today and we're here 17 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:01.679 to talk men's health, both physical health and mental health 18 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:06.719 in light of it being Men's Month. I am going 19 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:12.920 to can I Pedro and over to Pedro. He's going 20 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:17.120 to with our health lead out today's discussion. I think 21 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:21.599 it's only befitting that he does. And then he'll introduce 22 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:24.640 the guests and we will get right into it because 23 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:27.319 I know we are kind of pressed for time, so 24 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:32.680 we don't want to waste any of it. Let's just 25 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:36.519 pray before I do that then and we'll get going deminily, Father, 26 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.879 thank you for this opportunity. Thank you for the opportunity 27 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.599 to talk about such an important topic. And so we 28 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:45.000 always do a talking point, and so we're grateful for 29 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:50.239 this platform. Bless the conversation, Bless the technology, and maybe 30 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:55.400 a blessing to those listening in Jesus name, Amen and 31 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.359 a man, right, Padro? 32 00:01:59.400 --> 00:01:59.799 Are you there? 33 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:00.599 Alright? 34 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:01.480 Yay? 35 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:04.280 Everybody, welcome to Talking Point. 36 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.960 So today we were doing a series of different shows 37 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.840 about men's health, and today we're gonna do the one 38 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:14.000 on physical and mental. 39 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:15.439 Uh. 40 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.759 With us, we have two folks that what would you 41 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.360 call all you have professionals? Would you like to get professionals? 42 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:23.319 Uh? 43 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.759 What is doctor Sopho. I'm not gonna say his last 44 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:28.919 name because I will butcher it. His first name actually 45 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.719 his first name, sorry, his last name is Sopho. And 46 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.159 then we also have Mark, who's a regular on Talking Brain. 47 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.439 Been a minute, but he's back and joining us again. 48 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.560 So we're got to have them both as we talk 49 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.759 about men's health and the pits and the falls and 50 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:44.240 the pros and the cons and everything else that goes 51 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:45.280 with men and. 52 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:50.199 So uh, real quick, actually do you wanna go into 53 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:51.479 what we normally do, is an here or. 54 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.120 Are you just gonna yeah, well, we just I mean, 55 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:59.080 it's Angie on She's she's alright, let's jump into it 56 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.759 because we're pressed for as it is anyway, I know, 57 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.319 Andie's on locations, so she's kind of trying to find 58 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:06.960 a spot and trying to find a good signal so 59 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:07.759 she could be aboard. 60 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:12.120 I think, I'm yeah, So we're gonna, we're gonna get started. 61 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:12.400 Aul. 62 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:17.919 Yeah, everyone, thank you Edul for joining us again. 63 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.759 All right, so doctor, could you just say your full 64 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.280 name and then say who you are and just give 65 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:26.280 us a brief like description of yourself. 66 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:27.479 Sure. 67 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:33.000 So my name is Dr Quartin Guardian, born and raised 68 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:33.639 in Ghana. 69 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.240 Came here to stay young, and I'm currently a General 70 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:42.199 Practitioner registrart so GP Registrar in training one more year 71 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:45.319 and then main consultants giv. 72 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:48.319 Wow, okay, congratulations. 73 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.599 Did you do all your studying here or. 74 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.400 So partly? He partly back home. I was one of 75 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:56.439 those moldy kids that. 76 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.479 Were sent back you see, when you were threatened as 77 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.000 a young childs and you back home. 78 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.240 I was one of those who sent back you know, 79 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:07.560 changed turn my life around so good, and then came 80 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:10.120 back here in my studies in the university. 81 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.240 So I studied in London and. 82 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:17.639 It's a little which was a bad boy because you 83 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.519 guys said, you know, but look at it like this 84 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:20.480 and you know we got some back. 85 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:25.439 You will be where you are now. I would say 86 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.199 that things time for a reason. All right, then we 87 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.240 got Mark. 88 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.360 You're gonna just go bring you know, you know who 89 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.399 you are. But just for those who may not heard 90 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.800 of it the first time talking, I mean listen. 91 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:43.439 Yeah, my name is Mark Semple, the traumatologies therapist, psych 92 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:49.959 psycho therapist, CBT therapiest you call it all the different therapies. 93 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:58.120 I also volunteer with it something of conference, the COXSIT Service, 94 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:08.720 Cornerstone I Conference. I also have my private practice, so 95 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:10.480 I'm pleased to be here. 96 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:11.959 Thank you. 97 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:16.279 Of course I'm drawn by my host and Angela. 98 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:24.399 Hello, Hello again. Anything else, well, I'm just grateful to 99 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.920 have these two gentlemen on board, looking forward to the conversation. Mark, 100 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.959 welcome back. As said, it's been a minute, but you're 101 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:37.000 already our resident consultant expert. And I'm throwing out to 102 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:41.600 doctor Southher here that he could possibly potentially be also 103 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.759 well I'm just I know, and I just lock him in, 104 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.759 just lock him in, right, okay, you know, just like 105 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.319 all right, that's my cue, that's my cute. 106 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:01.399 Like you should know by now. 107 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:02.480 I was easy. 108 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:03.199 It was. 109 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:10.920 I was easy to it. Like I said, first, we're. 110 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:16.240 Going to talk about men's physical health, and I guess 111 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.639 right off the back, being a male like doctor southh 112 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:22.360 just wanted to find that from you and in in 113 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:29.720 terms of I guess give a brief just general synapsis 114 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.439 of what men's physical health will be, because sometimes people 115 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:34.519 may have it, may think of it as something else, 116 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:38.279 or you know, have they may incorporate health mental health 117 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.759 with physical health. So could you give us like a 118 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.800 synapsis of what physical health would be would be considered. 119 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.040 So when we talk about men's. 120 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:55.040 Talking about as diseases which have a mental impact a 121 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.279 man's physical and to do that as mental health, actually who. 122 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.399 Has a part to play in that? Because some degree 123 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:05.879 of mental health can actually manifest. 124 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.199 Physically as well in individuals. So I think we should 125 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:10.040 have definitely. 126 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:13.560 Just categorize of mental health as something that happens just 127 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.680 in the mind, but sometimes in a certain individuals especially 128 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:20.000 extreme cases, they may experience. 129 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:20.839 Physical vicinities as well. 130 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:22.240 But even to focus maybe on. 131 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:26.639 The physical related health issues associated with men, what we 132 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.600 tend to realize is that men tend to present quite 133 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.480 late at the stages of your disease. 134 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:35.319 And then the reason for there's you know, many things 135 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:35.920 with men. 136 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:37.879 In generally we don't like to go to the down. 137 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:42.360 Type, and that's pretty much a known fact. And also 138 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.959 in terms of men, we tend to downplay a lot 139 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.040 of the issues that we face because we see as. 140 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.920 Even trivial or you know, we have other things to 141 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:52.639 worry about. 142 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.120 So as a result of a combination of these things 143 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.759 and others, men meant to present quite late. 144 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:05.680 In the stages of things such as because that's quite late, 145 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:09.480 and then there are many other things. So these are 146 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:15.720 common things that typically happened to correlated correlated. 147 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:23.879 Okay, I just want to ask, is everybody hearing doctor Saffo? Clearly? 148 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.199 I think I think there needs to be a little 149 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:29.560 bit he's a little bit lower, so I think it's 150 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:30.759 coming off on the radio a little. 151 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.600 Bit low, Okay. And also I don't know if it 152 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:35.000 seems to be that you're cutting out. I don't know 153 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.240 if it's signal where you are? Is it generally okay? 154 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:37.840 Where you are? 155 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:40.480 The signal is okay? 156 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.879 Firefi okay better. 157 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:45.399 That sounds better, okay, all right. 158 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:50.279 Yeah earlier it sounded sound yeah, but it's fine, okay, 159 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.039 called working working through the process. 160 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.919 Yes, all right, doctor. 161 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:58.799 Can I jump in as question? 162 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:04.480 Yes, just you mentioned that that men don't have to 163 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.080 go to the doctors a bit reluctant. Where does that 164 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.159 and maybe we're gonna come a little later, but where 165 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:10.000 does that stem from? 166 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:10.440 What is that? 167 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:11.639 What is that about? 168 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.440 And you in terms of the men that you beat, 169 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:18.039 do they ever give you any particular reasons or you 170 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:21.080 know why people didn't come sooner, or what's their reluctance 171 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:22.600 or so. 172 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.080 Usually it boils down to a few things. One is 173 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:32.000 they're usually too busy to make time for their health, 174 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:37.000 and they feel that there are other greater responsibilities that 175 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.320 they need to address or you know, focus your mind on. 176 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.960 And sometimes when you have certain physical conditions which don't 177 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:50.279 impact you or disable you physically, may I can deal 178 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.080 with it, you know, I'll just take some pain relief 179 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.240 or whatever it is. I'll just see how it goes 180 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.159 Over the least couple of weeks, couple of months and 181 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.320 see if things result. So the reluctancy usually comes. There 182 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.519 are greater things for me to focus my energy on. 183 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.360 And this is not a present issue now. I mean 184 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.080 I will get I would get a looked at it 185 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.320 and look at some point, but right now the other 186 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:12.360 things that need to focus on, So that's number one. 187 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.840 Number two they don't see as a big thing. They 188 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:18.720 just say, hey, you know, this is the part and 189 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:20.679 parcel of getting. 190 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.879 Older, or this is the part and parcel of perhaps. 191 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:27.240 They understanding of that particular condition maybe or that particular 192 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.480 symptom maybe give them to what a doctor will see. 193 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:30.360 So for instance, if. 194 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:34.279 They are having fluctuating thou symptoms, they make it thing that, 195 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.679 oh it's because I ate something wrong, or I didn't 196 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.840 drink enough water and so forth. But as a doctor 197 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.399 we may consider, oh is this a sign of cut cancer. 198 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.840 So sometimes it's the lack of understanding of the path 199 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.879 of physiolity behind the symptoms or so makes them a 200 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.279 loved to come up. And the one thing I always 201 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.120 say is that if you if you are a partner 202 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:58.919 to such a person, I think a lot of the time, 203 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.159 a lot of the men that we need coming into GP. 204 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:04.440 Practice on GP surgeries is usually at the push of 205 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:05.200 the apartners. 206 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:07.080 Thet is like. 207 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.360 No, I do think this is worried and we go 208 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.320 and check it and they reluctantly like the first common 209 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:13.080 they always. 210 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:14.600 Say is oh, because my wife said I need to 211 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:15.759 come and see and. 212 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:17.840 Goes for us. 213 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.399 We're like, you know what, You're very thankful that you 214 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.600 know the you know, the females in their lives are 215 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.200 you know, in quote unquote to them nugging. 216 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:32.039 But it ends up being quite useful because without that push, 217 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.679 they're very reluctant to come by themselves. 218 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:38.320 I think ladies continue what you're doing to neever may 219 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:39.000 see nagging. 220 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.360 But we appreciated very much side of nottice. 221 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.960 Oh well, as I said, this is just saying that 222 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.360 every man is a great bat. 223 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.919 Behind every is a nagging going to go there? 224 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:57.360 Do we get results? 225 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:00.720 We said, we say, of lives. 226 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:07.000 How do you challenged that? 227 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.000 Obviously you know you are fakful for the women that 228 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.440 maybe behind them all they come in. 229 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.080 You know, how as a doctor can you I suppose 230 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.799 gen being courage because you don't want to seem like 231 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.120 a bagging, but to sort of say, look, you know, 232 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:23.360 how can you reiterate the importance because especially if you 233 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:25.919 think that you know, you're saying they have extra responsibilities. 234 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.919 They maybe providers, they've got families that put jobs. If 235 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:31.679 they get sick, that knocks all. 236 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.679 Of that back into the background somewhere. 237 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.799 So you know, how can you kind of yeah, like 238 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:39.879 you encourage them or do you think what would you 239 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:41.480 say something to sort of say, look, you know, we 240 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.799 get it, you're busy, You've got the time that think 241 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:44.360 it's important. 242 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:49.240 However, I think every patient is different. 243 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.840 That's why in the world of general practices and family 244 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:57.200 medicine is quite difficult, because one one medicine will be 245 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.840 suitable for all men out there. And I think the 246 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.440 few the few approaches that I tend to take is 247 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.000 I try to find out is there any particularly important 248 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.080 event in their life that they will like to be 249 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.080 present for. So some men will be a case of 250 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:17.919 all walking your daughter down the aisle, whether seeing the 251 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.440 you know, the sun graduating or you know whatever it is, 252 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:28.120 identifying that pivotal moment or that important event that they 253 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.080 would want to be present for. And then I think 254 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.639 sometimes you have to use a bit of scare factor 255 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.480 as well by informing them of the severity of their condition. 256 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.279 So, for instance, if it is about as or prostrate cancer. 257 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.159 And letting them know that, you know, not routinely coming 258 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:48.840 into a GP surgery, this increases your chance by x 259 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.399 amount of percentage and as a result, you're less likely 260 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.919 to reach that particular mouthhone that you want to reach 261 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.279 is when you break it to them in that way. 262 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.360 That's when they're like, oh, wow, this is actually quite 263 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.559 severe or this is why this. So I think those 264 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.279 are some of the tactics that you can implement. But 265 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.559 some men, generally, when they see that okay, this is 266 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.200 a bad result or you know, this is being investigated 267 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.039 or taken very seriously, they naturally become more switched on. 268 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.480 And I think the last thing, if all else fails, 269 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.320 is just to let them know the Hey, all I 270 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.000 want to do is see you twice. 271 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:24.320 They hear that's it. 272 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.240 If you set them a target and achievable and attainable target, 273 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:30.440 it makes it easier for them to do it because 274 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:32.159 even tells them the whole you know, I just don't 275 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.559 want to see you. They don't They can't quantify how 276 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:36.960 many times you want to see the chip orders see 277 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.440 and typically speaking every a a check club every six 278 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.159 months or so is actually quite good when it comes 279 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.480 to lend because we can give full for a routine 280 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.559 blood tests. You can examine their blood pressure and take 281 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.559 their and their height and way to measure they be 282 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.320 at mind, So we can do a lot of risk 283 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:57.360 assessment to see if this is somebody willing to see 284 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:00.440 more often. So I think usually if there's any citation 285 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:02.360 on a man's part to go and see the GP, 286 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:04.320 just having in the back of your mind that all 287 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:06.159 I need to do is see my GP at least 288 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.279 twice or twice a year. 289 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:10.639 Yeah, so as. 290 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.120 A male, I know exactly what you're talking about. Doctor 291 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.279 is I don't like going to the doctor? Actually, I 292 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.440 do have a question. So do you find that people 293 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:23.279 that work in the medical field are more unlikely to 294 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:25.720 go to the doctor than say, somebody that is not 295 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:27.720 a medical Ooh, you. 296 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:32.200 Could actually get both ways. I think the worry with 297 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:33.200 so obviously you. 298 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.240 Get certain individuals who work in the medical field who 299 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.840 are reluctant because they can of out I know this is, 300 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.799 this shouldn't be anything, or they don't want to waste 301 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.279 their doctor's time because sometimes they're aware of the impact 302 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:48.759 of or the lack of resources within you know, the 303 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.639 healthcare system, so they're like, I don't want to waste time, 304 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:52.080 I will go on. 305 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.240 There's a bit more serious. So you have individuals such 306 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:54.480 as that. 307 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.960 Then you have the individuals on the other side, which 308 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.600 you know, you mainly say or they have contracts, or 309 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.600 individuals who because they know the medicine doctors are usually 310 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:07.279 quite worse for this as well. They know the medicine, 311 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:10.679 they know that although a lot of symptoms can be benign, 312 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.639 when we doctors see it, mind automatically goes to. 313 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.000 The thing that's will to cause us of the worst. 314 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:24.000 So you tend to have these individuals who over present. 315 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:28.120 To the GP or over present to an emergency department 316 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:29.840 because they're like, you know what, Yes, I know that 317 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:32.360 there's a chance that this can be benign, but I'm 318 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.679 also worried about all of these other things which I 319 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:36.000 know can also happen. 320 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.759 So you can get to people on either side of 321 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:39.120 the coin. 322 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:40.840 So in otherwise you get what you get. The ones 323 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.519 that think they know what you know, Oh yeah, that 324 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:48.840 that happens all the time. They come with the yeah, yeah, 325 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.279 we have a lot of people who. 326 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.159 Come with especially in this now a day and age 327 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:54.919 where it's very difficult. 328 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:58.039 To get a hold of your GP or your family physician. 329 00:16:58.360 --> 00:16:59.960 People tend to come with a shop and a list 330 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:01.919 of things that they want to talk about because that's 331 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.879 the only opportunity that they will get probably a long 332 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:04.519 time in. 333 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:10.000 CIG as a GP, and I know, like keV GP 334 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:13.799 has like probably with ten thousand patients. It's very hard 335 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.039 to see ten thousand patients, you know, in a week 336 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.599 or in a month. How does how does the GP 337 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.960 adjust so that they can get the men to come 338 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:26.799 in more? I mean you gave you know with the 339 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:32.519 wife and everything is yeah, like how do they get 340 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.759 an outfit that you need to come in to be seen? 341 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.319 Like do we do we date? Do you guys text? 342 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.440 Do you guys? Shall not? Notices like that? 343 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:45.000 Or so? I think every practice is different and sometimes 344 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:46.240 you have to use. 345 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.319 Certain landmarkets. 346 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.799 So for instance, we're in this month of November and 347 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.319 obviously we all know that it's Men's health month and 348 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.799 it's as a GP practice or a a GI surgery. 349 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:03.880 When you see these sorts of events or these sorts 350 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:08.240 of dedicated months set in place for men, you. 351 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:10.200 Should use the opportunity to then. 352 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.920 Say, okay, you know what, we're doing a campaign trying 353 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.359 to get as you said, you'll send out texts to 354 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:17.480 the men on your on your. 355 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:21.200 System, put in certain banners or some sort of. 356 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.680 Adverts out just to try and draw more men because 357 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.279 they're more susceptible to come in during this month because 358 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.799 this is such a big campaign and orders on everybody's mind. 359 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.559 So I think it's utilizing those sorts of opportunities. But 360 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:38.119 otherwise it is quite difficult. As you said, we have 361 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.519 a large number of patients that are on our list, 362 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:44.400 so to send like for instance, MERGP surgery, we were 363 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.279 a combination of three and it's like thirty thousand patients 364 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:50.039 that we look after. It'll be very difficult for us 365 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.160 to to send a text to every single man on 366 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:57.359 that list and still be able to find appropriate appointment 367 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.359 slots for them. Now, But obviously that all the things 368 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.720 that we can also do in our own individual community. 369 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.920 You know, GPS usually work from Monday. 370 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.519 To Friday, but you also have the Saturday Sunday, maybe 371 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.200 setting up a storm in your local area, having men 372 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:13.599 come out and you may get their blood pressure shed, 373 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:14.720 their blue coach checked. 374 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:16.240 These common things. 375 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:20.240 That are all respectors for disease having those things to 376 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:23.279 check in the in the comfort of their own community. 377 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.240 You know, whether they a person going to the grocery. 378 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.200 We can easily just get a few of these things 379 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.559 assessed and if there is an issue, give them the 380 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.960 information to say that, hey, this is what we found today. 381 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:33.160 It would be a good idea for you to go 382 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:33.720 and see. 383 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:34.000 U a GP. 384 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.200 A lot of men don't like to be forced to 385 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.759 do things, So I think that's where the encouragement comes 386 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:42.640 in and say that, hey, look, I'm not going to 387 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.720 control you your life, but I believe that this results means, 388 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.039 like X, Y and Z, you have this level of risk, 389 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:49.640 I think it will be appropriate for you to go. 390 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:51.400 And then at the end of the day, we're all humans. 391 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:55.160 We have to people should be allowed to make bad decisions. 392 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.319 So if you give a man that information and you 393 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.079 give them the tools, is up to him to then 394 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:01.920 take that. 395 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:02.960 And utilize that. 396 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:05.160 But you will have done the best that you can 397 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.480 as a family, friend, as a commission and so forth. 398 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.319 And I also want to just jump in, Can I 399 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:13.519 just jump in here, Pedro and say that we can 400 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:20.319 also do a lot of work within our workspaces, schools, organizations. 401 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.200 I know, for instance, we've run meetings where we've invited 402 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:29.440 certain certain businesses that cater for this, so they come 403 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:33.039 in they do spot checks. And so if you're running 404 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:35.640 an event as an organization, that's an interesting that's a 405 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.240 very good thing that you can do to sort of 406 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.079 get our men. I mean it will be men and women, 407 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.039 but it will persuade our men to it's right, as 408 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.359 you say, in the comfort of their own environment to 409 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.680 get checks done. So yeah, any any HR or business 410 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:54.680 leader or owner listening can use that opportunity as well, 411 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:58.519 particularly in this month because we are emphasizing men's health, 412 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:02.359 to bring such organizations saying to do spots spot checks 413 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:03.759 for their stuff. 414 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:09.200 Even churches too, like we do like belfairs maybe twice 415 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.519 a year. And you know, and and like she said, 416 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.720 spot say, I think you need to contact your GD. 417 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:17.240 Yeah, I know. 418 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:20.960 Like my wife she makes me do blood pressure because 419 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:23.240 every like once a month, just make sure my blood 420 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:23.839 pressure is okay. 421 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.640 Yeah, my husband it was. 422 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:29.400 High out the night, so she was like, oh, I 423 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:32.000 was like, look, if it's high in the morning after sleep, 424 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:33.559 then I'll go to the GP. 425 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:35.720 But it was okay. So she was like and she 426 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:36.160 did not. 427 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.880 I'm not lying my wife. Literally, I'm laying in bed. 428 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:40.559 It's about seven in the morning. All of a sudden 429 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:42.960 I feel a blood pushure cup put on my arm, 430 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.759 and all of a sudden, it's what is going Are 431 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:49.160 you really like you wake me up? 432 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:50.440 Just do it on my arm? 433 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:52.200 What do you do? 434 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:52.880 What it takes? 435 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:55.960 I said, we get results? 436 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:57.400 There you go, there you go. 437 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:58.279 I mean. 438 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.440 She's like you. 439 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.160 So it was okay, So I got this. I didn't 440 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:05.200 got to go see the GP this time. 441 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.279 I'm not against our I'm not against our wives or 442 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.119 our partners picking up the phone and making the appointments either. 443 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.519 I mean I've done that. I've done that. 444 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.680 If if I keep holding back, going back on what 445 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:20.880 you said too, because I was thinking what you said 446 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.119 earlier at the very beginning you was talking about we 447 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.400 we always instead of my health, we look at the 448 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:29.160 other things that we have going on in our life, 449 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.279 and I think it's man, we have to we have 450 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:35.200 to kind of realize that if we're not healthy, we 451 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:37.000 can't take care of the other things that we're worried 452 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:41.799 about doing. So, like you know, recently, I fell and 453 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.359 I heard my I booked my hand on my right, 454 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.720 I kind of like fractured my hand, and I still 455 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.079 went to work the next day. Well not the next day, 456 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:52.200 I stated. I went and got checked. They said it 457 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.319 was a slight break, but I can still move with 458 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.079 and stuff. So I went to work the second of 459 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.480 the day after I should have stayed home for a 460 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.599 couple of days unarrested. I know that, but it's like, 461 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:03.799 even though I do that, I still push myself too, 462 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:05.119 because I'm like, if I don't really need to take 463 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.640 the time off, then you know, I'm not going to, 464 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.680 you know, take the time off. But then two weeks later, 465 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:13.400 I mean so much, it's. 466 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:15.000 Bothered me so much. I can't function the way I 467 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:17.039 need to function, and it's taken long at the hell. 468 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:19.440 So I think sometimes it's made me have to realize, 469 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.920 if you just take them a couple of days, rest 470 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.279 goes longer than trying to push through the pain, because 471 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.119 then you end up hutting yourself further down the road, 472 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:28.640 and then you end. 473 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:29.599 Up breaking down faster. 474 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:32.000 So I guess that would be my you know, that 475 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.519 would be my kind of tipp it on why men 476 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:36.599 should go and see the doctor. 477 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.440 When they should go see the doctor, then rest if 478 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:38.920 they say. 479 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:44.680 Rest Mark, I see your microphones off or on? Rather, 480 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:46.359 is this something that you want to jump in and say. 481 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.599 And now we're talking physical health, but I'm sure you 482 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.160 have a comment to two here. 483 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:52.279 I just think that. 484 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.880 You know, as much as the physical health situation, the 485 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:58.519 mental side of things is. 486 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:03.000 It is so wide. 487 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:10.279 Men don't go to doctors because of society. Big boys 488 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:14.839 don't let big boys don't cry m hm. So we 489 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:19.559 start to grow young men in terms of that whatever 490 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:24.039 you feel, don't cry about it, don't you don't stress 491 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:30.000 about it. Also, we ourselves men as if we are 492 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.240 always we're fixers, so we think that we will always 493 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.000 fix whatever it is that's happening to us. 494 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:43.839 We'll fix it. Also, society doesn't relect be a man 495 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:47.480 that is vulnerable. We talk about it a lot. 496 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.880 And you hear people say I would love to see 497 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.319 my man cry, but how many times do you want 498 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:59.200 to see him cry? Yeah, So all these societal things 499 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.079 that happen you find that you end up and what 500 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.440 the doctors. Also, it's compounded and then you find that 501 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.240 like for example, my my wife books all my appointments. 502 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:17.319 I'm too busy or it's not, it's it's not keeping 503 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.519 me in once, it's not keeping me in bed. 504 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:20.839 I'm going to go to work. 505 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:27.519 Yes, So it has to be very a very serious 506 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:30.880 situation for a man to crawl to go to the doctor. 507 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:31.799 Yeah. 508 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:38.319 So yeah, that's absolutely true, doctor Saper. So the other 509 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.480 thing I was thinking of two is that's definitely his true. 510 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:40.680 Mart. 511 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.160 I think the physical the mental does combined in this 512 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.640 whole thing, because it's even though we're talking about the physical, 513 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.359 some of the physical things we're talking about as the 514 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.400 mental part of why we don't physically do what we 515 00:25:54.519 --> 00:26:00.279 need to do, because it's mental involved. I guess question 516 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.599 I have for your doctors out for next was about 517 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:06.319 what like health screen is can we do at home? 518 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.039 Like what can we do at home that will benefit us? 519 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:14.240 Or like keepers going as men? But then also it's 520 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.359 kind of like a two part question. Also, what do 521 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.839 you find as a GP is the most common denominator 522 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.039 that affects men on a regular basis? 523 00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:28.079 Like the most is it? Like obesity? Is it blook? 524 00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:31.200 Is it diabetes? Is it stress? 525 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.200 Okay, so I think funny enough. 526 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.400 I even done a talk for the health team yesterday 527 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.039 for our local church, and the title. 528 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.079 Of my talk was the little things matter, and I 529 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.680 think that is the key answer to the question that 530 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.640 you didn't propose, because a. 531 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:52.720 Lot of the time when we talk about help, we 532 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:54.880 tend to think of the big, dramatic things. 533 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.319 You know, you know completely revolution as. 534 00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.480 In you know what we eat, you know of throwing 535 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.960 out all of the crapping in our cupboards and replaces 536 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.000 with or just fruits and vegetables. We think of the 537 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:09.759 extreme things, but sometimes it's the little things that also count. 538 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:13.920 If you're at home, the few things that you can 539 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.119 do to just give yourself a routine check to see 540 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.440 how things are is number one. 541 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:19.720 Your blood pressure. 542 00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.559 High blood pressure is a killer of many men, and 543 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.720 it actually affects multiple organs in the body. 544 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:30.799 So if you think of the blood vessels in your body, 545 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:31.720 like plumbing. 546 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.440 Work, there are certain organs within your body that require 547 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:40.519 delicate or get small supply of pipes. 548 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.519 So the pipes that go to these areas are very 549 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.400 tiny and as a result, they need quite. 550 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.640 Adequate supply of blood pressure, but as well as ensuring 551 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:52.240 that their. 552 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:53.799 Blood pressure is not too high. 553 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.640 So even individual has high blood pressure, just like with pipework, 554 00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.720 if you have high blood pressure or high pressure going 555 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:00.240 through if. 556 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.160 It's more likely to burst or leak. 557 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.319 It's the same thing with the blood vessel within our body, 558 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.559 things such as your heart, your kidneys, your eyes, these 559 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.599 are all structures that require small or good control of 560 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:13.480 your blood pressure. 561 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:15.640 So I think blood pressure is something that is very 562 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:16.759 much tea and. 563 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.640 One thing I would always advise as your wife has 564 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.880 been doing control checking your blood pressure on a monthly basis, 565 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.480 and if you do notice that your blood pressure is high, 566 00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:26.839 So normally you say that blood pressure is high when 567 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.839 there's about one three five over eighty. So usually those 568 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.759 sorts of values above that were usually worry So if 569 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.200 you do see something like that, the key thing that 570 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.920 a DP would always ask you to do is take 571 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.160 your blood pressure for a week, take. 572 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.799 It in the morning and in the evening, and then 573 00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.480 what you need to do is you need to take. 574 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.240 An average of those blood pressure readings and see where 575 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:49.279 your blood pressure sits. 576 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.400 If your blood pressure is on average above that one 577 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:53.200 three fib. 578 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.359 For eighty, then go and see your GP may be 579 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.400 a case where we need to have a conversation about 580 00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:58.119 what needs to. 581 00:28:58.119 --> 00:28:59.200 Be done to change. 582 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.759 So that's bloo pressure. The other thing that I would 583 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.079 always always encourage you to do is check their weight. 584 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.720 Obviously your heights does not changed, or your weight will 585 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:14.240 fluctuate throughout now weight or in other terms, obesity is 586 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.400 a large marker of many chronic diseases. 587 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:21.359 So diabetes and joints or authritis. 588 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.720 Relate to pain and things such as your kidney, things 589 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.319 such as heart attacks and as strokes. These are all 590 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.599 things that are linked to the things that we take 591 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:31.160 for granted. You know, sometimes when we wake up or 592 00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:32.720 when we are going through it, we might describe a 593 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.880 biscuit here, a snack there, everything that, oh, yeah, it's 594 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.759 not an issue. But all of these things compound all 595 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.839 the time, and you know when you feel like, oh 596 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:46.279 it's just one biscuit, it has an impact on you 597 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.960 for a long period of time. So I think checking 598 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.440 your weight on a regular basis and making sure that 599 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.759 you're keeping within what will call your ideal be a 600 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.160 mile will be key because it reduces the amount or 601 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.079 the risk you have to certain diseases. 602 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.640 So wait, blood pressure and sleep. 603 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:07.680 Sleep sleep sleep. 604 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.400 That's another thing that men aren't very good at doing. 605 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.440 You know, some people pick up night shifts, some people 606 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.480 who work weekends, some people will only get four hours. 607 00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.519 Maybe you have a child in your you know your 608 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:19.039 sleep is. 609 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:19.680 Not that great. 610 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.480 These are all things that you compound over time. You 611 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.440 may not see the effects now, But even a simple 612 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:27.759 thing that's sleeping. 613 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:30.359 A good seven eight hours a day. 614 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.559 I know that it's very dramatic and a lot of 615 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.279 us are like, whoa, we'll sleeping that that many hours 616 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.559 is never going to happen. But you know that sleep 617 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.559 is linked to your risk of getting dementia or even outsiders. 618 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.319 But it's not an issue now. But you won't see 619 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.359 the effects now, but in due time you will see 620 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.920 that your memory will about to be impacted. You see 621 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.359 that you become forgetful. So these are things that you 622 00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.880 can make changes now to ensure that you're in a 623 00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.400 better position in the future. 624 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:01.559 I think these are the small things. 625 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.480 Always asks patient to focus on the small things, because 626 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.839 the small things you can continue to do that. There's 627 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.720 no point starting something completely crazy, a completely new diet 628 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:13.920 and it only lasts one week and go back to 629 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.599 square away. But if it's a case of Okay, I 630 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.039 used to eat I don't know, five customer creams a day, 631 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.480 I'm now cutting it down to two, that's great. Yes, 632 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.160 it's not you know, you know, you're not not eating 633 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:27.319 custompleans at all, but you've reduce the portion and over 634 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.599 time you will reduce it to from two to one 635 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.559 and eventually you won't be eating customer cleansing. But is 636 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.200 those small steps We're always looking for something dramatic, something 637 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.480 game changing, But is these small steps that will end 638 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.279 up getting into that crossing. 639 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:49.640 Line anicity with their oublicity being of the way they 640 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:54.119 always said that when you're that, it makes your borkins 641 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.160 work harder. Yeah, So I guess my question would be 642 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:01.200 so like five to ten thing that should be about. 643 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.160 I don't know exactly what I think. 644 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:08.759 It's will be like one ninety Now realistically I'm not 645 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.759 I'm not jumping on this stuff, but like, realistically, what 646 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:13.960 would in your kid, your pigon what would be a 647 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.519 good weight that if I can't make one ninety, what 648 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.319 would be realistically a good like a good way for 649 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.079 somebody that that Because I know that you want you 650 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.720 want to like yours, the GPS wants to be. 651 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.640 Within that that range. But is there a little is 652 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.519 there a little leeway? 653 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.599 Is what I'm acting is there's just a little way 654 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.319 way leeway because some people just like to feel a 655 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:35.200 little bit bigger. 656 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:36.720 Than they than they are. Does that make sense what 657 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:37.279 I'm acting? 658 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.680 Yeah, yeah, I mean the BMI is more completely accurate 659 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:47.240 because some individuals have different depositions of protein in their body. 660 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.240 Some people will have more protein than others, and obviously 661 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.359 protein also adds to that weight. So I wouldn't say 662 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.519 taking the bois is so viable is a key thing, 663 00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.640 but it's rather working towards that ideal weight and trying 664 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.880 to ensure that's the actual amount of central obesity. So 665 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:10.160 usually when we talk about individuals gaining fat around the belly, 666 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.880 that is usually the worrying one or the worrying type 667 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:14.519 of fact that we. 668 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.960 Have an issue with is reducing that amount of fact. 669 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.640 If you're gaining protein as a result of these changes 670 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.880 that you're making, your weight stays the same, that is 671 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.519 fine because you're losing fact and replacing them. 672 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.000 With proteins, so that's not an issue. 673 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.599 And one thing that we always. 674 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:35.720 Advise individuals to do is one hundred and fifty minutes 675 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:41.839 of exercise. That is the standard that every individual above 676 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.720 the age of eleven should or about the age of fifteen, 677 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:48.200 so it should be carrying out one hundred and fifty 678 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.599 minutes of exercise. So that's two and a half hours 679 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.200 of exercise throughout the week. And I'm not saying take out. 680 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.799 I do a complete two and a half hours work 681 00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.680 out at the General. But just a case of splitting 682 00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:58.960 it up. 683 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.240 It doesn't have to be in a crazy to be 684 00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.920 simply walking for thirty minutes. It can be cycling for 685 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:05.640 thirty minutes. 686 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.440 It can be running, it can be you know, swimming. 687 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.559 There are so many activities that you can carry out. 688 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.199 But by doing one hundred and fifty minutes of exercise 689 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.840 a week, you know that you add three to four 690 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.960 years and more to your life just by doing that 691 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.039 two and a half hours of exercise a week. 692 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.880 But people will think that this is trivial, this is oh, 693 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:26.880 it doesn't mean anything. 694 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.320 This is just exercise. It shouldn't you know. 695 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.519 I can do it here and then my work gets 696 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.039 me to walk more than enough. 697 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.079 But is these more subtle changes that will come down 698 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:36.639 all the time. 699 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.840 Now my wife is listening and everything you just said, 700 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.039 my get me. That's me. 701 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.480 I do not like the exercise, and I always think 702 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:49.280 that I would say to I park about a block 703 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.920 away from the job and walk to the job. 704 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:55.760 She's like, that's not exercise. So so now, thank you 705 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:56.199 very much. 706 00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.000 You just now I'm gonna have to have a discussion 707 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.559 when I get off this point talking point to because 708 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.119 I number wife could but like I told you, I 709 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:02.480 told you. 710 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:07.079 Hear it anyway. But yeah, matter of fact, she's yeah, 711 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.159 she just texted me and said that's what I've been saying. 712 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.880 What's happened. It's actually even going to mark. 713 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.960 It's actually these sort of things that she helps your 714 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.719 mental health as well, like exercises. 715 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.239 Right, that's gonna be my next question actually, So like 716 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.360 if you don't get enough sleep, if you don't if 717 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.119 you are if you don't get enough sleep, if you don't. 718 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.599 Think, wouldn't that kind of affect the way you. 719 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.199 You make you irritable, make you responded, make you depressed, 720 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.719 make you That goes to the mental part. So that's 721 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:40.840 it's all. That's why I'm saying the physical and the 722 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.679 mental is all combined in one, and that's why it's both. 723 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.719 It affects both. So like you were saying, like as 724 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.960 you get older, you can get more of a chance 725 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.679 of dementia, but you can forget be more forgetful. But 726 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.440 it can also make you just more of a surly 727 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.079 male or like somebody that just always nasty all the 728 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.719 time or just angry all the time. And you're wondering 729 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:02.760 why you're angry all the time, It is because you're. 730 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.639 Not taking care of yourself physically. 731 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.639 Yeah, I think that a lot of times we don't 732 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.199 look at it all. Exercising and these things affect your 733 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:18.960 mental health. One of the things I talk to my 734 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:25.920 patients about is about how exercising, every time your muscles 735 00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:34.239 are basically contracting, your body actually secretes lopamine and serotoning 736 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:40.039 into like mental health med isis into your bloodstream so 737 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:45.280 that your brain can regulate your mental health. So these 738 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.480 are the things that happen whenever I when all my patients, 739 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:55.840 I talk to them about exercising, about sleeping, about even breathing. 740 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.559 It is a wonderful thing in terms of helping people 741 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.920 because a lot of people know, since COVID are doing 742 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:13.280 on depression medication and anxiety medication and exercising and breathing 743 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:20.599 and even sleeping and meditation, that's the best exercise, the 744 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:26.280 best mental health medication you can use for a depression, 745 00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.519 anxiety and some other mental health illnesses. 746 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:34.119 A problem is that we're living in a society that. 747 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.079 Like Weig speaks m hm mm hmm mm hmm. 748 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.199 And so that's one of the problems we have right now. 749 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:44.000 But if someone. 750 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.960 Doing exercising, even when in terms of addiction, when I 751 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.079 speak to addicts and I tell them in terms of 752 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.079 how they can be able to keep their dopemin, uncertatoonin 753 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:03.199 and endurving levels at a normal level, I direct them 754 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:08.480 to exercising because once Europe coming off the as I 755 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.280 say to them, the brain does not basically say, oh, 756 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:19.360 you're giving me alcohol or or if you're smoking or 757 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.960 whatever it is. The brain says, what you're giving me 758 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:26.079 a synthetic either dopa really the sretoning and derphings or 759 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.760 something like that. So basically the moment is synthetic. What 760 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:33.199 comes out to your since then give it will basically 761 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.119 create that gap of which basic causes graving. 762 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.840 Some triggers and so on and so forth. 763 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:44.239 Emphasising is the best thing to regulate your mental health. 764 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.239 Yeah, fantastic. 765 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.840 I just want to add to what or not add 766 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:55.480 but just reiterate what doctor Sapo said about small steps, 767 00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:01.960 especially as we're approaching the New Year's and generally about 768 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.320 that time, everybody is about their new year resolution and 769 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.320 they're looking at those big, major life shifting changes that 770 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.000 we make and then we keep for about two three 771 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:18.800 days or you just keep renewing that new year. You know, 772 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:21.239 oh my new year is February first, it's March first. 773 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.400 It's you know, we shift it back, we shift it back. 774 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.960 But like you said, it's those small steps, those habits 775 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:31.519 that we we create or we break, as the case 776 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.000 might be, that will make the difference in the long run. 777 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:37.280 So thanks for that. 778 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.280 Society and going up here, for not going up going 779 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.440 up in the States and living here. Is there. It 780 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:50.679 gives us the culture because there's two different cultures. So doctor, 781 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:52.800 for the. 782 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.880 Physical part, what I find here is that the GPS 783 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:01.400 are more medication lists absolutely have to. We're in the States. 784 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.840 They just go straight to all you need, googles, the web. 785 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.559 Take these pills, you need black blood pressure, take these pills. 786 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.239 Whereas head the doctor will say, well, you said d 787 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.239 the week and then we'll talk. 788 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:13.679 And then before they even give. 789 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.960 You pills, then they'll say, you know, exercise eat right, 790 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:18.719 you know, let's put you on the diet. 791 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:20.039 Let's do this, let's I. 792 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:21.920 Can send that for a fact of going to the 793 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:26.159 GB and they tried, they try everything possible before they 794 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:29.280 go to medicine to try to make you to fix 795 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:30.519 the palm that you may be having. 796 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.519 Do you find do you my other? I guess the 797 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.360 thing would be like living in the UK. One thing 798 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:36.760 I learned. 799 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.440 You guys love your coffee, and I know caffeine is 800 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.360 one of the major things that can affect a man's 801 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.360 physical health. And they love the alcohol intake. They love 802 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.239 to drink. They drink they can drink the us under 803 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.639 the table here, you know, So do you How do 804 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:55.719 you find that when you're talking to the men here 805 00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.920 about the caffeine there, they're smoking the caffeine and they're 806 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.199 just the accohol intake of trying to convince them that 807 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.119 that's that can help them so much, along with the sleeping, 808 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:13.239 because you can sleep eight hours, but if you're drinking 809 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.360 a whole bunch of coffee, it can't it kind of 810 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.800 does it kind of kind of act each other like 811 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:18.800 you work against each other. 812 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:21.039 Yeah, I mean she knows. 813 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:23.760 I think it all points down to you. 814 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.599 I was mentioning before because I never I don't. 815 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.840 Agree with the thought of going cold Turkey. 816 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.440 I think the smaller proportion of individuals that works for, 817 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.559 but a large ruleship doesn't. Now we're the reason with 818 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.760 cold Turkey is because obviously, let's say you've been smoking 819 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.280 for ten sistors and you decide to go cold turkey today. 820 00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:49.440 You have to fight. 821 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:55.159 Against the the nerve nervous or the nurse system pathways 822 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:57.639 that have been formed over the last ten to fifteen 823 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:01.159 years within that twenty four hours. And I promise you 824 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.800 you are not going to beat your brain doing it. So, 825 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.639 because the brain is a powerful When I say it's 826 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:08.800 a powerful working, it's. 827 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.400 An extremely powerful working. 828 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.079 So what I always advise people when it comes to 829 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:18.039 coffee smoking, whatever the addiction is, is a case of 830 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:20.199 cutting it down. 831 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:21.000 Okay. 832 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.079 So if there's an x amount or let's say you 833 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.039 smoke fifteen a day, okay, that's fine. Let's try and 834 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.719 cut it down to maybe twelve with it. Then you 835 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.559 set do as your new baseline, and then. 836 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.519 You cut it down to ten and then you keep 837 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:40.039 the working way at it because the way. 838 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.360 It does is that you re set for you every 839 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.519 time you drop it down and you stick to that, 840 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.199 that becomes your new norm, and your brain is like Okay, 841 00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.679 we're still smoking, we're still getting the benefits, but I 842 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.960 know that we're only smoking twelve and that becomes a 843 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:54.400 new moment. 844 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:56.679 Then you set it down to ten and they'll both 845 00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:58.280 and so forth. 846 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.719 Well, as Mark said, we do it in the society 847 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.360 where everybody wants that quick. 848 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:03.559 Fit or I need to get it sort of like 849 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:04.280 straight away. 850 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.320 So we lack the patience to be able to take 851 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.159 those small incremental steps which will be beneficial in the 852 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:12.719 long run. 853 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.800 And it's the same thing with you know, making money. 854 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.519 A lot of people want to be million of years 855 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:22.039 straight away, you know, but that process is a long process. 856 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.639 It's not something that happens overnight unless you're gonna win 857 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:26.800 the MTU, which let's be honest, is unlikely. 858 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:28.679 I'm trying to say, of course. 859 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.719 And I think you know, when you look at millionaires, 860 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.440 a lot of them are you know, in their fifties, 861 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:34.599 in their sixties. 862 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:36.519 It did not come overnight. 863 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:37.400 And it's the same thing. 864 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:42.239 We're tackling our addictions, tackling our habits then breaking certain 865 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.519 habits as well. It takes time and you have to 866 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.360 be in it for the long run. The same thing 867 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.199 with investment, when you put you know that good one 868 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.079 hundred pounds in the months, you're not hoping to make 869 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.440 a thousand the next day. Is about seeing the long 870 00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.280 goal or the long distances that you know what, I 871 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.239 am going to keep on trying and I'm going to 872 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.360 do what I can every single day and all the 873 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.920 time when you look like you're like, wow, have come 874 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.440 very far. But it's about having that patience. 875 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.679 And the same thing. We're losing weight a lot of 876 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.360 them this I know with this is men's months, but 877 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:19.239 I'm going to catch. 878 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.119 The ladies a bit as well. A lot of the 879 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.159 ladies that we tend to speak to is like, you know, 880 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.880 I want to lose you. I'm going to lose weight, 881 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.840 and there is a lack of patience on that said, 882 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.079 that's where a lot of people go and do you 883 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.360 know a ze pic you know, these sort of instanting 884 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.000 related pills they take this way. 885 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.920 To us tease and so forth. 886 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.400 Is the same thing as. 887 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.679 Human beings like the fast sticks. 888 00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.639 But we have to remember that a lot of the 889 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.320 time we're dealing with with habits that have informed multiple 890 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.239 years in advance, and our nervous system has been rewired 891 00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.679 to go in a particular direction. It's not going to 892 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.440 change that real hairing just because you said so today. 893 00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:59.760 So I think that's the key thing to remember when 894 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.480 it comes you see either caffeine, alcohol, just trying to 895 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.800 cut down bit by bit and see and sticking with that. 896 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.519 In a long word, preach it, bye, brother, preaci it. 897 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.239 That's good. Yeah, who he is? 898 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:13.480 Right? 899 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.000 I mean definitely. 900 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.880 I had one quit when you was talking to hit 901 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:23.039 me in the head stress because you was talking about right, 902 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.320 so physically for male, even for a woman, how much 903 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.039 can stress affect you too? Because I think stress, I 904 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:34.239 think people sleep on the fact that I remember years 905 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:35.639 ago I read a book and the first thing, the 906 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.760 first line in the book says, stress is the number 907 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:41.599 one killer. It's worse than high blood pressures, is worse 908 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.320 than heart is worse than everything that you can think of. 909 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:49.519 Because when you stress, you end up. It affects everything 910 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.880 in your body, affects all your ugs. It fix your 911 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:52.960 brain and fix everything. 912 00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.079 So how does. 913 00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.719 How do you tackle something like that with somebody that's 914 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.800 like that's very overt stressful and then that that kind 915 00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:03.280 of goes. 916 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.280 Into the mental health but it's but it does affect 917 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:07.199 physically though, too. 918 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.480 So that's what I mean, like you know, it does 919 00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:12.880 affecture physically when you just when you're just always thinking 920 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.519 of stuff for stressing over something. So in your as 921 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.079 a GP, I'm totally sure you deal people that do 922 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.599 stress a good amount. 923 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.320 So like what do you what do you what does 924 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.639 your take from that part health? 925 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:30.360 Though, yes, I mean it's interlinked with marks areas expertise 926 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.960 because stress, I mean, from our point of view GPS, 927 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.440 we tend to always refer when it comes to mental 928 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.159 health data stuff to you know, our cd T team 929 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.559 or our furviest team and so forth, because there are 930 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.199 certain things that we won't be able to achieve in 931 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.079 that tend to steam and it's time for that consultation. 932 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:51.599 But when it comes to the physical aspect of its 933 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.079 always that pass on to mark. The physical aspect that 934 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:56.719 we see when it comes to stress is that your 935 00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:00.280 body does not know that, oh your stress where you 936 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.199 have a deadline for work. Your body interprets this stress. 937 00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.719 As, oh, we're in a fight or flight situation? 938 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.880 Are we getting attacked? Is there like a danger nearby? 939 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.920 That's how your body perceives that stress or that particular emotion. 940 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.239 It does not see that, oh, you know, you just 941 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.239 got a parking ticket and you now need to try 942 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:20.719 and figure out how to get the money for it. 943 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:22.519 You know, it just sees as that we're in danger, 944 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:26.119 and in doing so, it actually releases hormones called cortisol, 945 00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:30.679 corts's stress hormone. Now, what people don't understand about cortiso 946 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.239 is that in the short period of time it's health 947 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.079 in terms of making you allowing you to have make 948 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.440 a decision about fight or flight. But if you're constantly 949 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:43.920 at stress, that means constantly this cortiso hormone. 950 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.719 Is being released. Now, what cortisol does is that. 951 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:50.119 It actually accelerates the amount of sugar production in your body, 952 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.840 because your body's like, Okay, we're in a final flight situation, 953 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.199 whether we're fighting, whether we're running away, we need sugar. 954 00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.440 We need nutrients in ability to get this body moving. 955 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.760 So if you're constantly at stressed and your body doesn't 956 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.679 care what it is or what the outcome of that 957 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.719 stress is, it will release this cortosol, which will increase 958 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:12.320 your sugar lot And obviously, if you have constantly high 959 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.000 levels or sugar, you increase your chance of diabetes. 960 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.079 So that's one number two. 961 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.800 Cortosol will get your heart beaten more faster, and also 962 00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.079 get your pressure to increase, because again we're dealing with 963 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:25.840 the fight or flight situation. 964 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.320 Your body's trying to repay you yourself in order to 965 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.000 do or carry out certain actions. 966 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.960 So for instance, you're to see a lion, you that's 967 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.320 not the ideal time for your heart to be taking it. 968 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.440 You know, it's a wonderful sweet time. No, the heart 969 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.800 means to between them to try and get blood around 970 00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.960 the body. So in that particular moment when cortosol released, 971 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.159 your body can't distinguish between whether it's a lion or 972 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:48.440 your work deadline. 973 00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.039 You will treat it as the same. 974 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.159 So again, your heart rate goes up, your blood pressure 975 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.239 goes up. Not obviously over time that increases your risk 976 00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.920 of high blood pressure. And this is just as a 977 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.320 result of you worried about something. And that's what I 978 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.800 was saying before in the beginning, that there is a 979 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.639 when people think of mental health the thing that always 980 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.719 just in the mind, but the brain is so powerful 981 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.719 that they can actually manifest itself physically, and you start 982 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.320 to have issues physically as a result from the stress 983 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.440 that they're going through. So I think Mark would definitely 984 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.880 agree in terms of distresses. That what it can quote 985 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.119 the mental health community. 986 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, spot on the ducks. But as I'm 987 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.599 not even going to repeat to what the doctors said, 988 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.840 spot or I would have said the same thing. However, 989 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.559 what happens is that most of us grew up in 990 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.199 a stressful environment, and that is when you have top 991 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.039 ex trauma that pops in because the body gets so 992 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.719 cussed up to living in ice stress that the brain 993 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.519 does not switch off. So what happens is that we 994 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:02.719 our brain basically rating in a high high stress even 995 00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:04.920 hence why a lot of us broke. 996 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:08.679 Yeah your mark. 997 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.679 People, yes, sorry, but that yes, that's why some of 998 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.599 us procrastinate because of the fact that we get so 999 00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.280 positive to the high stress that we're living in. 1000 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:22.840 The more through the. 1001 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:31.559 The more close the appointment or whatever it is happening, 1002 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:36.440 school exams or whatever it is. If we think that 1003 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.880 we perform at our best when we are stressed out, 1004 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:42.239 you know. 1005 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.079 And so these are things, and so what happens the 1006 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.719 brain says, because. 1007 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.760 Of the fact that you're always in a fight flight mode, 1008 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:56.800 then I have to basically keep the partisan and adrenaline pumpy. 1009 00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:01.320 And so for example, sleeping. 1010 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.000 Most of us go to bed, and the brain says, 1011 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:10.039 because safety is not the environment, safety is in your brain. 1012 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.159 So you can lie on in a safe house and 1013 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.960 still feel worried that somebody's gonna come in, you know. 1014 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.960 So then what happens in terms of people. 1015 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.920 Not sleeping is that the brain says, okay, one of 1016 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.199 us have to stay awake in case we got to 1017 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:27.719 go to fight our flight situation. 1018 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.039 So while we are awake, the brain sleeps. So in 1019 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:31.840 the morning. 1020 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:34.519 Hence why a lot of us make a lot of 1021 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.360 mistakes when we are so stressful that we are at 1022 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.719 work because at that time we're awake and the brain. 1023 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.840 Is sleeping, you know. 1024 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.920 So basically that's happening to us. And so the body 1025 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:53.000 basically continue to pump the cortisol. The problem as the 1026 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:58.239 doctor talk about cortisol and basic bleach to sugar, if 1027 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.199 it in the court that cortzol but you is basically 1028 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.000 an energy. Cortisole mixed with adrenaline gives you that energy 1029 00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:11.280 boos okay. So it's so the body keeps popping it out, 1030 00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.039 the brain keeps popping it out, and the bodies like, 1031 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.119 we have enough, what are we gonna do with all 1032 00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.639 of this energy and it stores it. Hence why most 1033 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.519 of us getting you know, the belly area, because that's 1034 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.199 one of the places that breaks, it's gonna be stored. 1035 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.280 And so these are the things that happened to us. 1036 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.719 So when it comes to stress of the sort of thing, 1037 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.320 the first thing that you need to do is basically 1038 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.280 look at your brain and how your brain is operating. 1039 00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:45.599 Looked at how you can have yourself down, relax and 1040 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.320 the other thing. That's the first thing because and if 1041 00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.679 you look at in terms of how we were brought 1042 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:58.480 up as in our different families, that's a problem. M 1043 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.400 Cultural also is another issue. 1044 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:08.440 Yeah, well, I'm really glad we have to had the discussion, 1045 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:14.039 especially on the physical health and along with the mental. 1046 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:16.239 We're gonna put a pen in it. We're gonna go 1047 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:17.880 to our song singing. 1048 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:20.840 Yeah we surecast. 1049 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:27.719 Yeah, yeah, let's go to he has. 1050 00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:29.840 Before we do that. 1051 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:31.719 Doctor South, I know you're not able to stay with 1052 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.400 much smaller, but I was, like I was saying to 1053 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.039 early in the beginning of the before we got on 1054 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.760 the radio, you are on different you know, media platforms 1055 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:41.280 and stuff. I don't know if you want to share 1056 00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.320 so that people can see because, as I said, your 1057 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.679 reals are really insightfied. I've not watched all of the 1058 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:48.880 watch all a lot of them, but I did watch 1059 00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:51.239 one or two, and I just want, you know, to 1060 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.119 put it out there. So if anybody that's listening, want 1061 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:55.079 to come and listen to some of the things that 1062 00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.000 you did talk about, because you do cover up ward 1063 00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.800 in general, you know, synopsis of health. 1064 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.239 Yeah, so yeah, sorry that I can't stay for long. 1065 00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:06.199 Rai's been a pleasure to be on this platform, and 1066 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.800 actually we're really insight for having this conversation. 1067 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:13.800 I'd love to join again in the near future. But 1068 00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:17.320 in terms of my platform, so I tend to do short. 1069 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:22.239 Rules or short videos to educate and provide individuals knowledge 1070 00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.079 about conditioners that are coming to them. 1071 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:26.519 And I just weren't saying sure that people are. 1072 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:30.199 Empowered and able to make informed decisions about their own health. 1073 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.039 So you can find me on Instagram, on TikTok, Facebook 1074 00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.119 at the at sign doctor d R and then SOO 1075 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:40.599 s A r FO. 1076 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.000 So that's at d R s A r f O. 1077 00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:47.280 And I'd love to hear from you guys on those platforms. 1078 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:49.599 Thank you once again for having me and I'll be 1079 00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:50.440 back very shortly. 1080 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.320 Thank you so much to join us. 1081 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.039 We really appreciate your insight on the physical health of men. Definitely, 1082 00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:58.320 we definitely will be calling you back. 1083 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:04.760 I look forward, take can all right, all right, so 1084 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.840 we'll go to a song now, Marvin. Stop. 1085 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:09.760 He has his hands on you. 1086 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:35.360 Okay, listen, he sees she sees a tea. 1087 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:44.599 You cry, and he said he sha shut inside them 1088 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:51.440 soon in time. You want what he loves. 1089 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:52.360 She's to. 1090 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:55.039 Go through. 1091 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.480 What do you go through? 1092 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:13.079 Listen? Ches No, he said, that's a good place to 1093 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:14.760 slip up those hands and give him some place. 1094 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.639 Oh, I can't get no help for me. 1095 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.920 That's a good place to lessen. Listen, Let's look at 1096 00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:21.320 the workers. 1097 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:24.039 See your old day. 1098 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:31.199 Shock even when the soul is armed. 1099 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:41.280 Yes, and from the top of your shore shout shout. 1100 00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:47.119 Oh well nonever well there ever here is changed. She 1101 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:52.320 won't share, But shall I do? Can I tell you 1102 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.519 one thing? Remember hes no. 1103 00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:58.920 Airs here his hand. 1104 00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:11.519 He has, Yes, it does, he said, I see you through, 1105 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:17.199 and when you cry, gets holding you. 1106 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.599 So just live he chi not. 1107 00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:31.360 So he will he will fall bad, Yes he will, yes, 1108 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:32.079 he will. 1109 00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:34.079 Just know. 1110 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:44.760 He as he said, old Sometimes you feel so lone 1111 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:55.639 like a child long spill. No, thank you Jill leading 1112 00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:01.480 you to this stroke. What you say when win? 1113 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:08.199 End? When will lie? When? When I win? That's why 1114 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:08.960 I want to know. 1115 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:11.239 But Chase. 1116 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:18.159 No, he has his hand, he has a say it's 1117 00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:26.239 all Yes he does, Yes, he does. 1118 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:28.440 He says, if you. 1119 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:34.119 And when you fight, he's holding you. 1120 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:37.360 So you can chess. 1121 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:43.880 Just see him first hand time here will you? He 1122 00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:54.360 will lie? No cheers. No, he has his head end 1123 00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:59.199 when times. 1124 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:11.760 And see son cannot understand, but simp size if we 1125 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:16.960 were said to focus what it needs to be. 1126 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:29.519 He is hand. See he has a sid on you 1127 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:40.760 and when you cry, he's alway. So just seim you 1128 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.400 your head. You to mother? 1129 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:46.679 You know. 1130 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:53.159 I am home from her? Yes, said why you will 1131 00:59:54.039 --> 01:00:03.039 us know? Just a hesitant. And when you came he 1132 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:07.159 said city, he'll be gonnaway. 1133 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:09.239 Why don't anybody. 1134 01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:18.760 Else socialsity, no names about femly. 1135 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:37.800 Chersten. No he has his head yeah, just no, he 1136 01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:52.280 has his head, just his Oh. 1137 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:56.880 Shoot you. 1138 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.400 Welcome back to talking from everybody. Thank you for joining us. 1139 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:24.440 As we were talking about. 1140 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:28.559 Medical health and in the physical ended up aspect of 1141 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.039 a mentor and doctor. 1142 01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:32.039 Southold had to leave us. 1143 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.199 So we're now continue to be joined by Mark Simple, 1144 01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:38.039 who has come on the program as we said before 1145 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.960 many of times, and he's a residential poking the point 1146 01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:41.800 co host. 1147 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:43.719 He's pretty much like a cost of arts. We need 1148 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:44.519 to get him a T shirt. 1149 01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:49.000 Actually, yeah, get yeah, yeah, yeah, we need get him 1150 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.079 a T shirt because it's definitely he's definitely a part 1151 01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.920 of the potagon anytime we need him become so definitely. 1152 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:58.480 Uh So, as we were talking more just talking about 1153 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.000 the physical government and everything, so now you you deal 1154 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:05.159 more in some of the the physics also there mostly 1155 01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.960 in the mental of men. So what what would be 1156 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.079 what in your opinion, what would be the biggest mental 1157 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:18.639 issue that men have when it comes to our health. Oh, 1158 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:21.719 I know the Boyd question, but I know you can 1159 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.159 kind of break it down. It is a broad question. 1160 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:26.639 One of the biggest issue men. 1161 01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:33.719 Okay, at at present, one of. 1162 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:39.639 The biggest issues with facing men now in new divergence. 1163 01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:45.280 And when I see new divergence, you have the autism 1164 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:53.000 aspurgis ADHD and it's now being a lot more pronounced. 1165 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.039 I think the biggest issue in all of this is 1166 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:01.679 that in terms of what we spoke about in the beginning, 1167 01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:11.199 men are are free to present and actually try to 1168 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:16.639 understand what's happening to them. The biggest issue is not 1169 01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:22.800 the illnesses. I think the biggest issue for men is 1170 01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:28.079 being able to present and get diagnosed or checked out. 1171 01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:35.320 Because most of us culturally, when we look at it, 1172 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:47.519 especially black men in the African diaspora, the Caribbean diaspora, 1173 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:53.920 the men who become with a cultural bias about being checkout. 1174 01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:02.159 We shouldn't have mental health or breed. There are certain 1175 01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:06.599 areas in terms of especially pass as black men, certain 1176 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:13.480 areas of our body does not wrong, nothing bad happens, 1177 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:20.039 and that the top or head at the bottom those areas. 1178 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.320 Anywhere else things can go wrong. I can get back pain, 1179 01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:25.960 I can break my and I can break my leg, 1180 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:27.840 I can whatever it is. 1181 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:29.039 But when it comes. 1182 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.639 Tomental that these things should always stay intact. 1183 01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:33.039 Mm hmm. 1184 01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:34.280 Yeah. 1185 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:35.320 Do you find that men? 1186 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.639 Do you find that men with mental health like, like 1187 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.559 we just said, is it just because like if they 1188 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.239 go get say like that's why they don't like to 1189 01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:47.639 see the dact way, they don't want people get psychiatrist 1190 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:50.800 or of us you know, the top their problems out. 1191 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:52.880 Is it so what you're saying is that like a 1192 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:57.239 black man doesn't want to get to the bottom, like 1193 01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.440 get to the bottom of why they're feeling that way. 1194 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.519 Because do you, okay, let me put it this way. 1195 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.599 Do you think that some black men or even men 1196 01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:08.159 in general, know what part of the problem is, but 1197 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.440 they don't want to address it and that's why they 1198 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.159 don't get the help that they need. So, like, let's 1199 01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:15.920 say I'm just looking a example. So let's say like 1200 01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:20.000 I just lost my brother and I mentioned this last week, 1201 01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:21.960 and I said, I need I know, I need to 1202 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.760 get I know I need to get some grief counseling 1203 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.239 because I have not thought any grief throughout this process, 1204 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.679 but I know that the grief is there. But one 1205 01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:32.559 of my fears is that if I go get the 1206 01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:36.079 grief counseling, it's going to bring out more then I'm 1207 01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:39.639 probably willing to accept right now. So instead of going 1208 01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:41.599 to get the grief counseling, I kind of just keep 1209 01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.559 pushing it off and pushing it off and pushing it off. 1210 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:45.440 And just keep working. 1211 01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.039 The question is why are you pushing it up? 1212 01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:50.320 Right? 1213 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:54.559 And that's that's what I'm afraid of. That's what I'm 1214 01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:56.800 afraid of because and. 1215 01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.400 Because of the fact that they are several narrows tives 1216 01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:06.679 that are attached to the why for example, by may 1217 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:09.679 be pushing it off because one, as you say, it 1218 01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:13.119 will bring up other issues too. 1219 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:19.159 Even though we talk about mental health culturally. 1220 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:22.920 Everybody's you know, there are different words that people use 1221 01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:28.400 that really shouldly. It's like I don't want to mainly 1222 01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:33.039 moot most of the Africa and our guys said, I 1223 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:38.079 don't want people to think that I am mad, and 1224 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:43.159 so those words get it's still it's still root. 1225 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.280 They are still rooted in our culture. 1226 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:51.920 We don't want anybody to know that we having therapy 1227 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.760 or whatever, because each songs as if we're less of 1228 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.000 a man if we actually do these things. 1229 01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:00.760 I need to get you off. 1230 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:02.519 And I just said when you just said the first 1231 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.239 thing you just said, I think that's part of the 1232 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:06.719 crunch right there. So you said that we don't want 1233 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:08.679 people to live we mad. I think the problem is 1234 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.800 that men over the years have instead of being able 1235 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:14.840 to express themselves, when they have expressed themselves, they have 1236 01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:19.599 come off as mad and they've got it so ostracized 1237 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:24.480 or so they've been so like, how could you be 1238 01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:27.639 like they don't. The person doesn't understand that they're going 1239 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:29.400 through something. They just think that they're being mad. So 1240 01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:31.559 then we say, well, if they alwayn't gonna be mad, 1241 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:33.239 I'm just not gonna say nothing at all, because I 1242 01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:35.920 think men as a problem sometimes when we try to 1243 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.960 express ourselves and then we don't get that response back 1244 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.360 that we think we need, then we kind of just 1245 01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.239 kind of shut down and say you know what, I'm 1246 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:45.199 not It doesn't make a difference because they're not gonna 1247 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.159 listen to me anyway. So how can a man work 1248 01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:51.719 through that with his mental health? And getting doesn't make 1249 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:53.599 sense with what I'm saying, Like, hey. 1250 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:55.119 What I'm saying something? Because I'm like, am I saying 1251 01:07:55.159 --> 01:08:01.480 it right? It gets help a lot of us as 1252 01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:08.360 men who reach out for help. We do, but it's 1253 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:12.679 only once. Most men only reach out for help once. 1254 01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:17.039 In this era where GPS. 1255 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:22.199 Are, you know, you gotta keep calling about some forty 1256 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:24.600 to fifty times before you can get any. 1257 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.560 We want, we reach out. 1258 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.239 That if we are not being wored, we met shut down, 1259 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:35.720 we go into hiding. 1260 01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:37.239 Because of the fact that. 1261 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:45.760 As men, we still we were brought up in homes 1262 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.399 where mommy did a lot of. 1263 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:52.800 Things for us. So, man, we need to get it straight. 1264 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.039 That is why God gives us a woman. 1265 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:01.880 And as you talk about our wives basically calling the 1266 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.119 GPS and so of, because of the fact that we're 1267 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.800 going to do it. If it doesn't work, we shut 1268 01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:10.319 it down. We're not gonna you know, it's going to 1269 01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:13.119 take a long time before we cry out for help again. 1270 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:20.479 And so hence why you find that we need agreement 1271 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:25.239 along with us two. Basically, if we cannot do it, 1272 01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:28.159 they will basically pick it up and do our blood 1273 01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:29.479 pressures as. 1274 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:31.359 To be hard before and so on. 1275 01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:33.840 So for because of the fact that we're going to 1276 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:36.680 reach out and if we don't get the result we want, 1277 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:37.600 we shut down. 1278 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:45.199 So that's one of the problems we have. Yeah, go ahead, Petro. 1279 01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:50.039 Well, so I've been there for nineteen years and I 1280 01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:54.920 had two boys before then. And do you think having 1281 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:58.680 both parents in the house can help the mental health 1282 01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:02.279 of the boy or the child? Or we're talking about men, 1283 01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:04.560 So we're talking about boys going to men. So they 1284 01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:09.960 get older, you know, they become more they're just being 1285 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.000 more around around, Like when you have a discussion and 1286 01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:14.479 you're talking to a male and then they only grow 1287 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.600 up in saying a single family household, is the mental 1288 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.399 health different than somebody that grew up in a. 1289 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:23.000 Are married in two person household. 1290 01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:28.720 So yes, the research has shown that there they are 1291 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.319 benefit benefit of man being in a hole. 1292 01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:38.319 You have to understand two parents being in a hope 1293 01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:42.600 is not the because you can have two parents in 1294 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.800 a home and a home it's a fairly dysfunctional. It's 1295 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:48.239 still on one parent. That's only one parents parenting. Yes, 1296 01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:55.520 I got you right. Definitely neithern what children need. Put 1297 01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:58.640 this for a young man, you know, or. 1298 01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.560 To bolt tomate home and go in his own home 1299 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:06.279 with a wife and treat his wife wonderful, then you 1300 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:11.319 know mommy has done her job, because mommy is the 1301 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:14.039 one that teaches a young man how. 1302 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:19.199 To actually give and receive love from it from a woman. 1303 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:24.720 When a young woman leaves her home and basically and 1304 01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:28.720 she has a wonderful relationship, then daddy has done his 1305 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:35.760 job because of the fact that collectively mommy and daddy 1306 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:42.119 working together make that chall around bach individual. Because of 1307 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:46.840 the fact that the things that mommy while mommy love 1308 01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:51.439 and Mommy here is more emotional and so on and 1309 01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:57.000 so forth. That is more disciplinary, disciplinarian, and so children 1310 01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:03.119 need those boundariest. So when mommy and daddy is around, 1311 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:06.399 you get more of a wrong with child. 1312 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:08.159 When it's just mommy. 1313 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:09.920 It is. 1314 01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:13.479 There are a lot of as we can see that. 1315 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:16.560 There's so many stats all day that talks about single 1316 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:22.399 parental especially with mommy. The whole situation is the research 1317 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:26.279 has shown that children growing up with fathers to a 1318 01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:27.520 whole lot better. 1319 01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:32.680 Than with children growing up with mothers. Is that particularly 1320 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:35.800 for boys or for both. 1321 01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:39.000 I'm sure there may be something. 1322 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.119 I go with my mother who I was fourteen then 1323 01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:46.159 she met my father, and it definitely I think I 1324 01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:47.520 definitely not would have. 1325 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:51.359 Went differently if my mother never married my father. So 1326 01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:52.800 I can kind of see where you go with that. 1327 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:54.840 I guess I can see my life and then I 1328 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.000 would have been a different mindset if I didn't have 1329 01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:59.760 my father for fourteen going up till he passed away, 1330 01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:03.560 because he just told me different things. But like for 1331 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:07.000 a single parent that doesn't never never get remarried or 1332 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:11.119 get married, That's where I guess co parenting or having 1333 01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:14.399 more models, or having like a mentor to help, or 1334 01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:17.800 even reaching out and getting assistance with the different programs 1335 01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:19.640 out there. Like when I was going there was a 1336 01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:22.279 big brother's little sisters, and I had a guy that 1337 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:25.079 took you know, took me out and showed me, you know, 1338 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.720 did things with me and stuff in and things like that. 1339 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.800 So it's just getting also just getting help so that 1340 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:33.159 you can kind of round it, to kind of round it, 1341 01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.199 you know, in a good way to help with the 1342 01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:37.840 mental health of the child to when they get older 1343 01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:40.760 that they're not suffering or they're not dealing with as 1344 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:43.239 much as maybe if they didn't have it from a 1345 01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:45.199 young age. Because I think we have to start from 1346 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.239 a young age, which you agree that you have to 1347 01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:50.279 start from a young age to help people with mental 1348 01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:53.319 health issues to start to address it, I guess, or 1349 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:54.560 to figure out what is wrong. 1350 01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:56.159 They kind of address it. 1351 01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:02.880 Look move men, ill each you started from childhood, Yeah, 1352 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:07.039 and it starts from the home environment. 1353 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:10.520 What's happening between also even. 1354 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:12.960 Start from us. We call it in you through trauble 1355 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:16.720 from in the worm. And I can even push it. 1356 01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:21.000 Back further if here and here here is one of 1357 01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:26.520 the research that game. Do you know that if your 1358 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.520 father is a cheater, that. 1359 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:35.600 Cheating on your mom, then basically that gene what is 1360 01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:40.479 sarming with that child is basicly and that child has 1361 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:41.720 the potential to cheat. 1362 01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:44.800 And because of the fact. 1363 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:48.119 So what happens when that child is born the home 1364 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:52.000 environment facilitated the process of that child cheating. 1365 01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:57.119 Wow, wow, I think we might have spots on debate there. 1366 01:14:57.319 --> 01:14:59.800 I'm sure our listeners are are mulling that one of 1367 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:02.359 And you've got your hand out if. 1368 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:04.119 You had a question, and I'd just about to tell 1369 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:04.880 the question. 1370 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:07.319 Yeah, I was kind of going to go back, and 1371 01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:09.119 maybe it's following on a little bit for what you're saying, 1372 01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.119 because you were mentioning it's quite interested to. 1373 01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.880 Hear that there seems to be and I don't know 1374 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:14.119 why this. 1375 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:19.079 Maybe just increased awareness of neurodiversion conditions, but I'm just wondering, 1376 01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:21.840 and obviously because many people, and I guess it's the 1377 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.359 same for men and women get can get diagnosed quite 1378 01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.399 late because I don't necessarily think they don't ass you know, 1379 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:29.760 what's happening. So I'm just wondering what kind of things 1380 01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:32.840 might present themselves that actually turn out to be some 1381 01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:36.479 of these conditions, because sometimes you know, you hear especially 1382 01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:39.199 with children, you know, children who kind of this seems 1383 01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:41.560 to be quite naughty children, that a high energy, they 1384 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:42.319 don't sit still, all. 1385 01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.600 Those kind of things. But as as you get older 1386 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:46.960 and an adults, they may present themselves in different ways. 1387 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:50.119 So I'm just wondering what things they could be. So 1388 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:53.760 if somebody is thinking maybe something. 1389 01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:55.800 Seems a bit awful, not quite right, what could they 1390 01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:59.640 be looking out for that actually could signal possibly. 1391 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:00.600 Can like that? 1392 01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:01.640 Right? 1393 01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:06.199 Well, in terms of all these things are new researchers 1394 01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:10.119 that are coming out in terms of new divergence. Someone 1395 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:14.199 you in the olden times, we will say that if 1396 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:19.319 pay for example, adhd, adhd is hereditary, you know, under said. 1397 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:22.960 But then now they're realizing that adhd is not hereditary. 1398 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:28.239 Ad it's not it can be hereditary and it cannot 1399 01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:29.920 be hereditary. 1400 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:32.560 All right, And so you ask yourself the question why 1401 01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:34.159 what what? What's this? 1402 01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.159 What's the difference? Because of the fact that as what 1403 01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:41.960 I just say, adhd can come down with it, because 1404 01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.119 of the fact that one of your parents that or 1405 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:48.159 whatever it is, has basically and so have adhd. And 1406 01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:51.680 so it comes down in the g because we have 1407 01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:54.960 to there are a lot of work now that is 1408 01:16:55.279 --> 01:17:00.600 done on gene and what comes through the gene of 1409 01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:02.560 of a child. 1410 01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:04.560 You see what I'm saying. 1411 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:10.560 So then so ADHD comes down from your father, lies, 1412 01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:14.720 it comes down from your your dad's life. Now Dad 1413 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:21.920 is gonna be basically marry mom. The relationship that they 1414 01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:26.399 have is going to facilitate the process because of the 1415 01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:34.640 fact that ADHD is basically we're main So the brain 1416 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:41.119 basically is in its protection. It cannot stay still right. 1417 01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:46.159 The brain is constantly pumping up, you know, all the 1418 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:47.560 different adrenaline and. 1419 01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:48.560 So on and so forth. 1420 01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:54.640 So rom environment it's going to facilitate that process. It's 1421 01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:57.520 just like like they say, we. 1422 01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:03.760 Find the alcohol gene, yes, so why does this child 1423 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:07.439 basically even though you find the alcohology, why does the 1424 01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:12.600 children of alcoholic becomes alcoholic on it? Because of the 1425 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:16.760 fact that the Whoman environment provides that if the child 1426 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:21.000 has choices, if the child has you know, all the 1427 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:25.000 different things, then children are not going to boom to that. 1428 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.319 But what they have is that they need daddy and 1429 01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:36.720 mommy basically solving problems with alcohol. And that child brain says, well, 1430 01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:40.840 how maybe the best place wait to deal with alcohol. 1431 01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.039 This maybe the best place that they to deal with 1432 01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:48.119 adhdsitribution so we have to start to look at it 1433 01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.520 from different perspectives. 1434 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:52.600 That's basically what it is. 1435 01:18:53.720 --> 01:19:00.359 Okay, So most of us, for example, when it comes 1436 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:07.600 to children again, what we do understand the neuroplasticity and 1437 01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:11.680 all these different things that happens with children. 1438 01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:15.680 We think children are Oh, don't worry about them. And 1439 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.279 we hear people we say this, don't worry about them. 1440 01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:19.880 They they're not gonna understand this. 1441 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:25.680 They may not understand what they are making, meaning hm hm. 1442 01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:33.039 Yes, yeah, I think we need to give kid more credit. 1443 01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:39.760 So for example, listen to this baby in the boom. 1444 01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:46.640 It's already saying whether outside of this boom it's faith 1445 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:47.720 or whether. 1446 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:48.079 It is not. 1447 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:54.239 The baby also knows songs of voices who are safe 1448 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:55.039 and who are not. 1449 01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:58.720 Now, I have a child in the boom. 1450 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:03.840 That hasn't started, and they haven't been a tree or whatever. 1451 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:08.239 It is already making meaning means that the moment that 1452 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:12.680 child comes out of the book, the child is already saying, well, look, 1453 01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:17.279 I am in an unsafe or I'm in a safe environment. 1454 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:21.760 Hence why some of us got clay babies, and hence 1455 01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:24.960 why some of us have babies that can explore and 1456 01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:29.279 mom and daddy, because you know, praise every because of 1457 01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:32.800 the fact that we're already setting this child of the 1458 01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:38.319 either be successful for the either not. 1459 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:44.039 I like that, and it puts the honest on our parents. 1460 01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:47.800 It puts the honest on our parenting to be vigilant, 1461 01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:51.159 to to to do the work so that we're providing 1462 01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:55.760 safe spaces, we're providing opportunity for for our children to 1463 01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.479 get the support they need. And I know this is 1464 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:02.760 this is this is not easy because, as we've already discussed, 1465 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.159 the NHS is overwhelmed. It may take persistence, it must 1466 01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:14.720 be may take just being maybe loud, vocal, present, whatever 1467 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:17.560 it means to make sure that you're getting the help 1468 01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:20.640 that you need. And I'm talking to parents and I'm 1469 01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:25.720 even talking to our men. I know it's not maybe 1470 01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:28.880 the popular thing or the done thing, but sometimes when 1471 01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:34.520 we're when we're struggling and we're suffering, we need to 1472 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:40.399 wave our hands, make our presence felt and get the 1473 01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:46.279 support we need because oftentimes we may be ignored or 1474 01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:49.760 put to the bottom of the list because the support 1475 01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:53.880 system is struggling. The NHS is struggling. Waiting lists are 1476 01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:58.600 six months strong. So yeah, let's find our networks. Let's 1477 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:01.359 find our support systems, whether it's a church, whether it's 1478 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:02.840 our community, whether it's. 1479 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:04.079 Our family or wives. 1480 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:08.479 Just raise our hands and say, you know what, I 1481 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:10.920 think I'm struggling here, or I think something is wrong 1482 01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:14.239 and we need to we need to look into it. 1483 01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:18.680 That's actually read my next point, Mark, what do you 1484 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:20.800 what do you say to Like we talked about the 1485 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:22.720 physical way they said, like we were talking about how 1486 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:24.960 the woman nags. 1487 01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:29.520 The husband to go get you know, get see the doctor. 1488 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.479 The kind it kind of applies even in the mental 1489 01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.439 health of a male too, would you say, I mean, 1490 01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:38.079 I know it may be a little bit different in 1491 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:39.640 the sense of a lot of times they make the 1492 01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:43.000 male may get more irritated or more like leave me alone. 1493 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:43.520 I'm fine. 1494 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:47.880 But and what what what could a woman, us a 1495 01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:51.079 wife do that can help a male that may not 1496 01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:53.840 want to admit that he may need some some some 1497 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:56.560 help or that his mental like, you know, not recognize 1498 01:22:56.600 --> 01:22:59.079 that he's struggling mentally. 1499 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:07.479 I think that because us men, we just show that women, 1500 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:12.880 when women talk, they lower their stress levels, when men. 1501 01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:15.039 Talk increase stress levels. 1502 01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:21.039 Right, So aband the quiet plate actually online? 1503 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:22.039 Okay? 1504 01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:23.520 Is quiet? 1505 01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:31.199 However, what our wives can do if the male has 1506 01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:35.239 a trusted friend that it can let. 1507 01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:40.840 I think it's more us raising the topic. 1508 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:44.800 Mark, You've gone a little quiet, so I'm just gonna 1509 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:46.039 ask you to speak. 1510 01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:51.079 We need to raise these topics with because of the 1511 01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:57.479 fact that nobody will actually start talking about this as 1512 01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:03.760 men were suffering, young men are suffering, us, as older 1513 01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:07.239 men are suffering. And because of the fact that we 1514 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:11.840 don't have a forum where we can raise the topics either. 1515 01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:13.520 At home in the church. 1516 01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:14.199 Uh. 1517 01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:19.239 Because of the fact that a lot of times, and again. 1518 01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:25.000 That the whole premise of you know, I told him so, 1519 01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:29.199 it's it's like even this program here, I know a 1520 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:31.960 lot of wives are going to basically be on men 1521 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:35.000 their husband as if I told you so, you should 1522 01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:37.079 have done this, you should have done that, you know, 1523 01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:42.680 bring it back, uh and talk half that the topic 1524 01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:44.920 opening of talk about it. 1525 01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:48.319 What asked him? 1526 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:56.359 What are are different ways he can basically work with 1527 01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:59.680 to actually either go to the doctor to actually ea 1528 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:03.239 rest an issue. And because of the fact that we're 1529 01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:07.399 not gonna basically just jump up and go pop the therapy. 1530 01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:09.880 I'm not gonna do that. 1531 01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:17.279 Sure, So it's about having that conversation that is in 1532 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:18.479 a safe. 1533 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.079 Environment for both men. 1534 01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:25.039 Because if a man feels if you are treating him 1535 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:27.520 like a child, even though he wants that, at. 1536 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:32.960 Times, he's gonna shut down. Mhmm. 1537 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:33.600 Yeah. 1538 01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:39.800 So it's about opening it up, having that conversation and yeah, 1539 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:42.319 and do. 1540 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:42.880 You have a question. 1541 01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:57.640 What are you talking? I can't Hey, okay, all right, 1542 01:25:57.680 --> 01:25:59.159 And I'm sorted a little bit of that's love that 1543 01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:02.600 I mean to do that. Yeah, I really, yeah, I 1544 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.920 agree with you totally with that. I think my wife 1545 01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:07.760 and I we I can get a little into the 1546 01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:09.920 still of my wife when she when she comes to 1547 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.880 me with stuff like that. I'm trying to get better 1548 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:14.920 at it, not saying I get like mad. 1549 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:16.279 I'm just like, you know, just leave me a lot. 1550 01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:19.439 I'm fine, But like you said, she just keeps like 1551 01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:22.439 plotting me insane to me, you know, like listen, I'm 1552 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:23.439 just worried about you. 1553 01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:25.479 I just want to you know, just want to bring 1554 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:26.199 it to your attention. 1555 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:28.439 And then she wouldn't even say like think about it, 1556 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:31.800 like because she does give me the time to sit 1557 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:35.119 and you know, by myself, and she'll say, well she 1558 01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:37.239 gonna sit off and think about it and come back 1559 01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:39.119 and then we get talk like so I think that 1560 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:42.600 does just to help with the as a male, help with. 1561 01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:44.000 The mental health of what you're going through. 1562 01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:46.439 Sometimes you just need to be able to take a 1563 01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:49.560 minute and think, to try to get all the because 1564 01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:51.359 I think sometimes its nails. We have so much things 1565 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.399 going on in ahead at once that we we get 1566 01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:57.199 we get confused and all the all everything, and then 1567 01:26:57.239 --> 01:26:59.399 we don't fix the issue that we need to fix, 1568 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:03.359 and then then the mental part that you know comes up. 1569 01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:06.920 Because the thing about it is this that as men, 1570 01:27:07.279 --> 01:27:09.520 one of the things that we don't talk about is 1571 01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:16.640 getting overwhelmed. Yeah, there's so much locally, there is so much. 1572 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:24.960 We have to think about, you know, and because of 1573 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:31.119 the fact that we don't talk about it, everybody assume that, 1574 01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.439 oh the word about it, he's fine, and not realize 1575 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:39.039 it that easily happened where this one can be overwhelmed 1576 01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:40.920 and you just don't know about it. 1577 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:47.000 And and that's where the conversation. 1578 01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:49.880 I think maybe because my wife's bless her, she's a 1579 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:56.000 wonderful woman. People's are therapies that we operate, uh, you know, 1580 01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:59.079 way she knows. I don't like when I go to 1581 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:01.159 the top four EXCEP. When I go to the doctor, 1582 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:05.840 by doctor say should I put nine nine nine on 1583 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:08.279 speed dial? Because you actually hear in front of me. 1584 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:11.239 I don't turn out, you know, I would put you know, 1585 01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:15.119 so they always you see I turned up. What she 1586 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:18.560 does for is that she's like, Mark, look my book 1587 01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:24.520 misappointment for you. You're going you know. So it comes 1588 01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:28.159 down to our wives in pufty. You need to know 1589 01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:31.640 each other. You need to understand each other. 1590 01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:35.720 The fighting and Lisa tried to know each other. Try 1591 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:39.520 to understand talk about these things, and so you know 1592 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:43.319 your partner and you know what are the strengths and 1593 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.439 what are their businesses. My businesses is booking appointment. My 1594 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:49.840 wife knows that and so she books the appointments for me. 1595 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:56.159 But if we did have those conversations, she would have 1596 01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:57.119 been on the wisel. 1597 01:28:59.000 --> 01:28:59.560 That makes sense. 1598 01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:01.399 Can I just. 1599 01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:06.840 Ladies have a question? Well, you're both standing there looking 1600 01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:07.960 like you have something to say. 1601 01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:12.119 Well, it's basically to share some stats and get your 1602 01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.439 thoughts on it. Mark and the rest of the team. 1603 01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:19.880 Because I was in preparation for this program looking at them, 1604 01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:23.399 and I've got them right today. I've spilled stats out 1605 01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:27.760 before and got them completely wrong. But it's dismal and 1606 01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:30.359 the picture is looking quite bleak, and I want to 1607 01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:33.600 know Mark, if this is what you're seeing in your 1608 01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:36.960 own practice, and then oh, we can look at addressing it. 1609 01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:41.920 It says three or four suicides and men in the UK, 1610 01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:46.560 So that's approximately fourteen men died daily in the UK. 1611 01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:52.439 Yet men, as we've been discussing, are less likely to 1612 01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:54.840 seek help. I'm going to say it again, three or 1613 01:29:54.920 --> 01:30:00.520 four suicides of men. As approximately fourteen men die daily. 1614 01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:05.279 That's fourteen men too many in the UK, yet men 1615 01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:11.520 are less likely to seek help. In addition, black men 1616 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:15.239 are seventeen percent more likely to be diagnosed than are 1617 01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:21.119 white counterparts for mental illnesses, seventeen. 1618 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:21.760 Percent more likely. 1619 01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:27.840 Than all black and white counterparts to be diagnosed with 1620 01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:32.680 mental illness. And a lot of these stats relate to 1621 01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:38.199 men who are under fifty, so these are young men 1622 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:42.640 by all accounts, Mark, are you seeing this in your practice? 1623 01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:47.920 I mean, do these figures sound skewed? The sound about right? 1624 01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:50.000 And what do we do? 1625 01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:53.960 What do we do? I would say they are about 1626 01:30:54.119 --> 01:31:00.439 right at five percent. 1627 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:07.560 I think it is underreported, especially within the black community. 1628 01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:16.279 It's underreported when it comes to as I said before 1629 01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:19.600 in the other programs. I wrote in paper or. 1630 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:26.960 The effects of PTSD and complex PTSD within the Black 1631 01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:30.319 and Ethnic Minority community, and they said black men are 1632 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:34.119 twenty times more likely to commit suicide than the white 1633 01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:37.000 pump part or because of the fact that the black 1634 01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:40.439 what I really realized, because of the fact that the 1635 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:45.279 black community is hush hush m hm. Those things are 1636 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:51.319 not reported, those suicide attempts are not reported, are not 1637 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:53.479 even to our family. 1638 01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:54.520 Wow. 1639 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:59.520 Because of the fact that we're faithful. Again, the stigmatism 1640 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:03.880 that is running within the black and ethnic minority community. 1641 01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:11.439 The research show also black a young man is seventeen, 1642 01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:16.479 as you said, in terms of diagnosed with mental health. 1643 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:18.920 And because of the fact that the first thing, and 1644 01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:21.600 I've worked in a lot when I was working with 1645 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:24.439 NHS in a lot of mental health units and. 1646 01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:27.159 So on and so forth, the first thing that they think. 1647 01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:30.840 When a black child homon talk about mental health is 1648 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:31.600 that one. 1649 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:32.079 They're lying. 1650 01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:33.439 Wow. 1651 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:41.279 So there is a barrier in terms of in terms 1652 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:41.960 of treatment. 1653 01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:45.880 Okay, So if you think that this young man is 1654 01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:50.239 lying whatever he says, basically. 1655 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:58.239 You're not listening. Two is that you know he wants 1656 01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:03.159 to get off of with work easy or whatever. 1657 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:09.159 So there's a lot of around A young think about him, 1658 01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:14.640 a young black boy six two, six feet three coming 1659 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:16.479 and saying that he's having anxiety. 1660 01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:20.000 And he's not six feet two, six ft three all. 1661 01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:22.560 He's also six feet two, six feet three. 1662 01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:30.119 Wide, so he's you know, he's passive, and I work 1663 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:33.479 with him, and you look at this guy, you have 1664 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:35.560 to actually say, sit. 1665 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:37.119 Down and listen to them. 1666 01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:42.159 Because the whole sitting step needs. 1667 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:47.159 To be change is that the church has in part 1668 01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:51.039 of playing it. And I think the problem again is 1669 01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:56.680 that we is a church a partab with these things. 1670 01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:05.359 Also yeah, uh see see in terms of our laity 1671 01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:06.960 and so on and so forth. 1672 01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:12.359 A young black boy picked up a joint smoke. He 1673 01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:16.199 has been suffering with that illness for over eight years. 1674 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:24.239 Yeah, Angie, want go ahead? 1675 01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:26.439 No, no, no, I was gonna say, Angie had a 1676 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.199 question regarding the church as well, which might come in 1677 01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:30.319 quite nicely here as well. 1678 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:35.960 That's yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, it's interesting that 1679 01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:38.239 you do mention that, because I'm also wondering, you know, 1680 01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:42.439 what our church, our church could do more of, because really, 1681 01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:45.119 when we think about it, especially from coming from a 1682 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.439 Christian perspective, there are lots of kind of probably biblical 1683 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:52.640 principles about us looking after our body doing things, but 1684 01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:55.279 kind of tapping into it's something that's doctor South has 1685 01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:59.279 said at the beginning where sometimes men don't necessarily think 1686 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:03.039 they have the time or they have other responsibilities, et 1687 01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:05.960 cetera that kind of almost outweigh the need for them 1688 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:07.479 to think, oh, it's really important for me to go 1689 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:09.920 to the doctors or go and get myself checked out 1690 01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:14.159 or seek therapy or support, when actually, I mean, ultimately 1691 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:17.199 I think it's in Corinthians first, Crinthians six or was 1692 01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:19.479 nineteen twenty where it's saying that our bodies are a temple, 1693 01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:24.920 and you know, we need to honor God with our bodies. 1694 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:27.439 So that kind of underlying principle. 1695 01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:30.520 I wonder how much as a church we really do 1696 01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:34.800 promote that talk about that. But in a way that's 1697 01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:37.119 kind of understanding. As you're talking about the need to 1698 01:35:37.359 --> 01:35:40.319 listen to understand where people's situations are. I don't think 1699 01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:42.119 it's quite as clear cut as you know, this is 1700 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:44.119 what you're supposed to do, because there are so many 1701 01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:48.359 complex things within that. But I guess, you know, is 1702 01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:50.960 it right to kind of highlight some of those principles 1703 01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.680 because they're there, you know, the basic things that we're doing, 1704 01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:57.000 making sure that we are eating right, we get enough rest, 1705 01:35:57.479 --> 01:35:59.720 we have the right kind of levels of responsibility. 1706 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:01.720 You know, how can we kind of. 1707 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:07.039 Encourage those principles but in a kind of caring, listening 1708 01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:09.119 way that it just doesn't gloss over the surface. 1709 01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:12.960 It really gets to d you know. And Jesus, he 1710 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:15.000 you know, he kindlights the importance of rest. 1711 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:18.319 When he was under stress and pressure, he went to 1712 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:21.279 find a quiet place, you know, away from the hustle 1713 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:21.880 and bustle. 1714 01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:24.800 Of everything and away from his his responsibilities that his 1715 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:30.680 under might be. Yeah, Yeah, I'm just wondering how how 1716 01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:32.680 can we as a church do that better? 1717 01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:40.319 Most of the churches that have been to. 1718 01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:46.560 Observe most of other churches basically what I call it 1719 01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:53.000 into what we call religiosity, okay, and that is if 1720 01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:58.479 you look at most churches, no, we have at least 1721 01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:04.560 a deer is a campaign happening early spring, and there 1722 01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:09.399 is a campaign normally happens sometimes it sent them October 1723 01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:16.439 side right, spiritual. Where is the campaign for mental health? 1724 01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:21.560 Where is the campaign for see what I'm saying so 1725 01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:27.239 basically we have stopped saying pray, brother, pray and praise 1726 01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.359 is the prey. And what we've done with just basically 1727 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:35.680 acting it out. You know, all our issues are going 1728 01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:39.920 to be solved by a campaign in terms of and 1729 01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:43.720 so that's how most of the churches now are behaving. 1730 01:37:44.199 --> 01:37:49.800 We don't run any depression or anxiety will work within 1731 01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:52.760 the church, which most of the young people and even 1732 01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:55.880 a lot of old folks are basically suffering from. We're 1733 01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:58.960 not going to do that because it doesn't look good. 1734 01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:01.800 M hm, doesn't sound. 1735 01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:07.960 So things like bay one of another's borders is not 1736 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:12.279 gonna basically be be sorted in church because church is 1737 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:13.920 not a safe place for anybody. 1738 01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:17.239 We bear the burtons up to a point. 1739 01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:21.960 Because of the fact that I may not be able 1740 01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:24.520 to yeah, I may not be able to deal with. 1741 01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:25.600 Your body, you know what. 1742 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:29.880 For example, what happens when someone gets up and say 1743 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:32.840 I was doing this or whatever it is, The. 1744 01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:35.399 First thing we do as a church is jumped to 1745 01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:36.079 shut them up. 1746 01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:40.000 We take them out the back and somebody talk with them, 1747 01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:45.600 and then we let them go free. We don't basicly 1748 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:49.760 say well you know what, we you know, we have 1749 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:53.720 this I'm gonna contact this person for you or whatever 1750 01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:57.720 it is we you know, so the truth and again 1751 01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:02.760 if we actually wrap it up in it's houltrue. Well, 1752 01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:05.880 the look at the churches and all the churches that 1753 01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:10.239 we have within the Culting Conference or or whatever it is, 1754 01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:15.359 it's predominantly either Afro Caribbean or Afro you know, or Africa, yes, 1755 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:19.479 and mixed up. So those whatever it is that we're 1756 01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:24.880 coming with church basically probably from battle, the stigmas and 1757 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:29.520 everything is coming from battle, and pup with that, we 1758 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.960 have to deal with the subtle racisms that are happening 1759 01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:34.079 with in our society. 1760 01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:37.600 Yeah, Angie, can I can I ask you to come 1761 01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:40.600 in here because I know you're Your church in particularly 1762 01:39:40.640 --> 01:39:44.520 has a very robust is it a mental health team 1763 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:49.199 or and maybe some some tips or or best practices 1764 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:53.399 can be shared with with our listeners. Sorry, Petro, I mean. 1765 01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:56.279 You there where. 1766 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:00.239 Do you have a mental health and well being team? 1767 01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:02.119 And there's a team made up. 1768 01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:09.359 Of practitioners and really it's about kind of highlighting the 1769 01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:13.600 importance and recognizing and being aware of your mental health. 1770 01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:18.079 So they've done a range of things from there's always. 1771 01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:23.560 A message in out bull liveting highlighting something I think, 1772 01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:25.600 you know, whether it's just encouraging you you know that 1773 01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:28.000 you're not so I think today's one was if you 1774 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:30.079 feel like you're struggling, you know that you're not alone, 1775 01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:32.039 you're special, you're value, et cetera. 1776 01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:35.279 So there's always something in the bulleteer they've. 1777 01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:39.640 Run, They do PM spots within Saddle School, and then 1778 01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:42.720 they work with They've worked with different departments, the youth, 1779 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:47.520 the seniors, running workshops or having space, you know, taking 1780 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:51.159 space to actually have those conversations, and. 1781 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:54.439 Offering their support from a group level right down. 1782 01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:57.279 To individuals as well. I mean recently our church has 1783 01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:01.800 gone through a real period of loss grief, and you know, 1784 01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:04.520 they've been on hand to kind of support people, and 1785 01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:07.760 whether that's just kind of giving you a hug or 1786 01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:11.439 just you know, praying with you, just being there for 1787 01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:15.119 people to talk to, but against really highlighting the need 1788 01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:18.439 for you know, for you to be doing something about it. 1789 01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:20.119 You know, it's important and I think as well, it's 1790 01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:20.920 really important. 1791 01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:23.760 To highlight that it's not just when you're having a crisis, 1792 01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:26.039 because often people will reach out when things are going 1793 01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:30.960 completely wrong. It really should be our lifestyle choice should 1794 01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:32.800 be things that we're doing naturally, which is why I 1795 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:34.159 kind of think, you know, the whole idea when we 1796 01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:37.279 think about the biblical principles, it's right there. 1797 01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:39.560 But how we should be living our lives, you know. 1798 01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:41.840 The Bible is full of those promises, full of those 1799 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:43.640 key tips and everything else. 1800 01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:46.359 And sometimes I wonder whether we for kind of forget that, 1801 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:47.520 and I cirvile of that. 1802 01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:49.199 It's very easy to think I know what I should 1803 01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:53.079 be doing, but sometimes you need the encouragement. 1804 01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:56.640 From wherever it's coming from really from a you know, 1805 01:41:56.840 --> 01:41:58.000 where its from a biblical. 1806 01:41:57.680 --> 01:42:00.399 Perspective, or you've got these practitioners who are sharing with 1807 01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:03.520 you practical tips on how to do this, you know, 1808 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:06.359 because as you said, whilst I recognize prayer, it is 1809 01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:09.119 all important if I'm struggling with. 1810 01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:10.800 Something that may not actually be what I need. 1811 01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:12.199 It may to be someone to kind of hold my 1812 01:42:12.279 --> 01:42:14.600 hands and say, you know what, you've got this, and 1813 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:17.279 if you need some help, come and talk. 1814 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.960 To me, you know, And I know for me that's 1815 01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.279 been very helpful, especially of the last couple of weeks. 1816 01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:25.640 So having those kind of initiatives, and again there's lots 1817 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:27.159 of things they can't do everything, and they're starting as 1818 01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:29.119 small as it were, but I think it's a really 1819 01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:31.119 great start to kind of just really hard and it's 1820 01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:34.880 been quite amazing to see the impact and how people 1821 01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:38.159 have been able to share, open up and just kind 1822 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:41.399 of it can be very scared to be that vulnerable 1823 01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:43.880 as well, but actually being open to talk about it, 1824 01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:47.439 and I'm fit doing some dedicated work with our men 1825 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:52.039 as well as going to be very very key saws 1826 01:42:52.079 --> 01:42:53.760 Dissy into my kind of beau. It was a National 1827 01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:58.399 Men's Health Day earlier on this week, and the theme 1828 01:42:58.680 --> 01:43:02.600 was about you know, men's mental health champions, and I 1829 01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:06.720 think really it's really key for not only the women 1830 01:43:07.079 --> 01:43:10.039 and the in the women in people's lives to be supported, 1831 01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:13.760 but men supporting each other, you know, and being the 1832 01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:18.039 champions of everybody else's mental health and supporting each other, 1833 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:20.279 which was a key thing that kind of came out 1834 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:24.880 when we respected the Men's Ministry Department, Devon and his 1835 01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:28.439 team about Iron, Iron Sharpmouth Iron and how we you know, 1836 01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:31.479 you support each other as men, you help them, you 1837 01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:35.199 encourage them because for some markets, as you said, there 1838 01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:37.680 may be many young men and many men who have 1839 01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:40.680 never really had that kind of nurture and environment. 1840 01:43:41.319 --> 01:43:43.439 Some manychap saying, you know, giving you a heart rcre 1841 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.520 telling you I love you or I appreciate you, that 1842 01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:46.119 kind of thing. 1843 01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:49.760 You know, they're coming from a trauma place and that 1844 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:51.079 informs their behavior. 1845 01:43:51.560 --> 01:43:54.920 But trying to kind of change that stigma, change that story, 1846 01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:55.359 change that. 1847 01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:58.399 Narrative, what there can be is all important. And you know, 1848 01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.039 initiatives that ones, we have them from. 1849 01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:02.640 The starting end, but we've got at Balam is a 1850 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:03.479 great way to start. 1851 01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:06.840 So I definitely really encourage the churches to kind of, 1852 01:44:06.880 --> 01:44:08.479 you know, seek at those people because you've probably got 1853 01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:11.199 those I said, practitioners with your age within your churches 1854 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:14.560 and communities that you can call upon to do that. 1855 01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:19.680 But so yeah, so I guess you know, it's it's 1856 01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:22.199 a good it would be a good way to start. Yeah, 1857 01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:24.239 you know, sometimes we question about whether. 1858 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:26.760 Xenerine I always have a conversation. Do men really have 1859 01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:27.640 these conversations? 1860 01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:30.079 Did they talk? Did they open up to each other? 1861 01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:32.039 And I think they probably do in smaller pockets. But 1862 01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:35.399 there's more to be done, and I think as a 1863 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:38.159 church and as Christians, we should be able to change 1864 01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:41.199 that narrative that the society has been peddling for many years, 1865 01:44:41.880 --> 01:44:44.600 you know, telling you a situation. 1866 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:49.439 I was in America, New York a few weeks ago 1867 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:53.640 and a friend of ours, a friend of or. 1868 01:44:53.640 --> 01:45:00.159 As basically I know this individual citizens and box, if 1869 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:01.199 you want to put it that way. 1870 01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:04.600 We grew up in the you know, in church, we 1871 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:14.199 hang out and everything like that. I'm for and myself 1872 01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:15.520 and my brother, my brother came. 1873 01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:17.920 I was doing a presentation in New York and my 1874 01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:20.319 brother came to support me, and this friend came to 1875 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:23.560 see us, and we were just sitting chatty and this. 1876 01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:26.079 Guy dropped the ball on us. I never knew that 1877 01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:26.760 this guy. 1878 01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:30.000 Was suffering from anxiety. 1879 01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:32.359 And these things I am telling you. 1880 01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:36.960 She's my brother and I know and whether he did 1881 01:45:37.239 --> 01:45:46.720 open up and talk us about me, I, myself and 1882 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:48.640 my brother were looking at each other like. 1883 01:45:50.600 --> 01:45:54.720 Far to something. We know you over forty over fifteen years, 1884 01:45:55.239 --> 01:45:57.159 and we never know this about you. 1885 01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:04.680 Sometimes we assume that men are having those conversations and 1886 01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:09.680 really a truly or not, because for us it's difficult 1887 01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:14.359 and and here is the keep them. I asked the question, 1888 01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:23.159 so what are you going to do about it? And 1889 01:46:23.720 --> 01:46:27.560 they look at me as if why are you asking 1890 01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:28.840 us that question. 1891 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:29.359 You know. 1892 01:46:31.399 --> 01:46:37.800 Sometimes, or we can ask sometimes when we hear these things, 1893 01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:44.119 we rush stay in hell and and and we have 1894 01:46:44.479 --> 01:46:46.159 to have the. 1895 01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:54.479 Right time. Yeah, and that's one of the problems. Again. 1896 01:46:54.640 --> 01:47:02.159 We can we ask questions, but the wrong MHM allow 1897 01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:09.560 this individual to basically be able to say, yes. 1898 01:47:09.560 --> 01:47:11.399 I need its help. 1899 01:47:13.439 --> 01:47:13.880 Mm hmm. 1900 01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:14.479 Yeah. 1901 01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:18.279 Yeah, because of the fact that not all of us 1902 01:47:18.479 --> 01:47:27.840 are talking about it. And I think that the church, Yeah, Angie, 1903 01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:31.520 I've heard a lot about Ballot and I'm very happy 1904 01:47:31.640 --> 01:47:34.640 for Ballot Church and their mental health. But I think 1905 01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:37.760 that most of our churches need to even if it's 1906 01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:42.760 a little thing that little and basically help people to 1907 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:44.000 do some. 1908 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:47.239 Work in you know. 1909 01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:52.520 Again, we run out into the community and not looking 1910 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:57.319 at what's happening in our churches, and we need charity 1911 01:47:57.439 --> 01:48:00.560 begins at home when these things happening. 1912 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:05.800 So I would say and Parner Store counseling service. 1913 01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:09.920 But I know we had started a number of years 1914 01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:15.079 ago running mental and support groups in different churches. 1915 01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:19.439 So so talktal since the teen. 1916 01:48:19.319 --> 01:48:19.920 Be or the. 1917 01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:25.840 Stone, they would be able to one of us can 1918 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:30.000 form entreeing up individuals with Indian churches. 1919 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:32.800 In terms of to run these groups. 1920 01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:36.039 And tow and so on and so forth, so fantastic. 1921 01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:42.840 So we have a wealth of professionals HM were now 1922 01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:43.800 utilizing them. 1923 01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:48.039 I was actually gonna say that, so on that note 1924 01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:51.279 of Devon, I was gonna say that anybody listening like 1925 01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:53.399 that in the church or like they can, can't they 1926 01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:56.680 contact Dallum to talk to Devon so that he can 1927 01:48:57.079 --> 01:48:59.399 because I know, not just in the church and Ballance 1928 01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:02.520 Church himself, he also does it for men's health outside 1929 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:06.560 the church. He has mess programs, men's only programs and 1930 01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:10.479 stuff and events and stuff online on zoom in person too, 1931 01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:15.560 and that they are they're actually very well well done 1932 01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:19.760 and they're very well received and that. So like if 1933 01:49:19.800 --> 01:49:22.800 you want to find out I guess I don't know, 1934 01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:25.239 if you contact the plum and then Devin. 1935 01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:26.920 Will contact the station. 1936 01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:33.640 Yeah, yeah, so that you could get more information on that, 1937 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:36.039 because it's definitely there's a lot of stuff out there, 1938 01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:38.840 like you said, Mark, that we just don't know it's 1939 01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:42.800 there and it's sitting right there, but nobody, nobody utilizes it. 1940 01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:48.199 That it needs to be utilized. Yeah, definitely, And I 1941 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:51.199 think that one of the things that. 1942 01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:55.039 We need to do all suits train up people that 1943 01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:58.560 are willing to do this work within the churches too. 1944 01:49:59.520 --> 01:49:59.720 Yeah. 1945 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:01.319 Uh, we kind of. 1946 01:50:03.239 --> 01:50:06.720 Or young people that you know, especially young men and 1947 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.079 so and so doing different things that and they need 1948 01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:13.920 that guidance and we need to be able to work 1949 01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:14.319 with that. 1950 01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:19.760 So that church can grow and we can help each o. 1951 01:50:21.640 --> 01:50:23.680 All right, Well, we're gonna have to put a pin 1952 01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:26.439 in it because, as we always say, time going so 1953 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:29.800 fast talking and next thing you know, we're like, how 1954 01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:32.319 can we get two hours of this? We we always 1955 01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:34.039 did until we said how we're gonna do two hours? 1956 01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:36.560 And then we like, we need more than two hours. 1957 01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:39.239 So yeah, we'll come, we'll come to the time that 1958 01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:42.760 we have to get ready to sign off. But we 1959 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:46.439 want to thank Mark so much for helping us and 1960 01:50:46.520 --> 01:50:48.600 coming on and giving us the knowledge you know and 1961 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:53.520 understanding doctor for coming on earlier. And we're definitely gonna 1962 01:50:53.560 --> 01:50:57.359 have your web back on again. Maybe maybe individually because 1963 01:50:57.359 --> 01:50:59.920 I think we can actually do like a mense ment 1964 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.399 health for the whole two hours, and we can definitely 1965 01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:06.399 have a physical but just so much to unpacked. There's 1966 01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:08.880 so much to unpack that an hour doesn't give justice 1967 01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:11.640 sometimes to what you need to talk about and. 1968 01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:14.720 We're looking forward maybe to bringing bringing some other persons 1969 01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:19.399 on the planel And we always say it. We always 1970 01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:20.520 say around. 1971 01:51:20.920 --> 01:51:23.319 Yeah, I tell you right now, we do around. We 1972 01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:26.960 do around table. So we mights to talk. 1973 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:28.920 We might as to talk to the to the manager 1974 01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:31.439 of vegemating and say, look, we need three hours or something. 1975 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:34.840 Around table is not gonna be two hours is not 1976 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:36.279 gonna be enough. I'm gonna take you that right now. 1977 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:37.760 That's all good. That's all good. 1978 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:41.920 I guarantee you that, so you know, but we'll work 1979 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:42.760 on that in the future. 1980 01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:47.039 Also be good. Has to be a qucket thing for 1981 01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:49.880 one of our talk reports on the talking points on 1982 01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:50.720 the road as well. 1983 01:51:51.239 --> 01:51:52.520 And it would be a great kind of way to 1984 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:55.399 kind of if you could get and I say, weep 1985 01:51:56.039 --> 01:51:57.399 as a woman as a group, you know. 1986 01:51:57.560 --> 01:52:01.720 Come together actually mean price or have that kind of discussion. 1987 01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:03.760 If we're allowed to kind of do that sort of thing. 1988 01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:08.520 But yeah, maybe do one, maybe do one that's not 1989 01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:10.920 recording one and then break it up. 1990 01:52:11.560 --> 01:52:15.399 Yeah, absolutely absolutely, just do it. 1991 01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:17.800 And then how long it goes, it goes, and then 1992 01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:20.159 we just break it up and sort it out. We 1993 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:22.479 figured it out later. So you have ways to get 1994 01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:25.159 ways to do it, so pre record. 1995 01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:28.600 What we do is pre record topic, yes. 1996 01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:31.319 Around table and period card. So ever it goes over 1997 01:52:31.399 --> 01:52:33.159 two hours, because still we don't we're not. 1998 01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:35.640 We're not time abound. 1999 01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:37.960 Were just having time restraint, So. 2000 01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:38.560 We just do it. 2001 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:41.000 If it's three four hours, that's fine, and then we 2002 01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:43.600 can break it up and then put it over what 2003 01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:46.119 to the shows kind of the kind of like maybe 2004 01:52:46.159 --> 01:52:46.840 a series. 2005 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:47.439 Of like something like that. 2006 01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:50.399 Just this is a good point to say that we're 2007 01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:54.439 thinking of doing actual live workshops. So maybe that might 2008 01:52:54.520 --> 01:52:56.359 be the context of the place that we can do 2009 01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:59.279 something like this. We're put that out then putting it 2010 01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:02.119 out there, and it could be as part of an 2011 01:53:02.159 --> 01:53:03.880 a y program, but it could be that we set 2012 01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:06.840 up something in a community center or something like that. 2013 01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:11.840 We will invite our listeners to come along meet you guys, 2014 01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:15.039 but also maybe have conversations like this, and it's not 2015 01:53:15.159 --> 01:53:18.119 going to be recorded. I'm not not going to be live, 2016 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.600 so we don't have to worry about the time. But 2017 01:53:22.359 --> 01:53:25.720 we can share and we can discuss because as we can, 2018 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:27.800 I mean, there's lots to talk about, and I know 2019 01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:31.399 our men are listening and really gaining something from this discussion. 2020 01:53:31.520 --> 01:53:34.239 So yeah, let's keep the conversation going. 2021 01:53:35.119 --> 01:53:37.840 So I'm pretty sure that you looked up because I didn't. 2022 01:53:37.880 --> 01:53:40.800 I'm sorry, do you look I know we have Cornerstone, yes, 2023 01:53:41.039 --> 01:53:44.119 well as what's the other I'm going. 2024 01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:48.039 To put you on this Samaritans. I believe there's one 2025 01:53:48.079 --> 01:53:53.279 one six one one six yes for the Samaritans, so 2026 01:53:53.439 --> 01:53:56.680 you can contact them. And also there's a lot of 2027 01:53:56.760 --> 01:54:01.600 information on mind Mine's website that you can leverage. Angie, 2028 01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:03.880 I'm not sure if you've got any more. There are 2029 01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:07.000 several and some that are bespoke, so I bespoke is 2030 01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:09.359 the right word here, but some that deal with particular things, 2031 01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:13.039 so whether it's suicide prevention or young people or whatever 2032 01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:15.520 the case might be, whatever you are dealing with specifically, 2033 01:54:16.039 --> 01:54:19.479 I'm certain that you'll find resources on the online or 2034 01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:22.960 obviously go through your GP because some some things online 2035 01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:25.560 may not be as reliable, So make sure you're getting 2036 01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:28.920 reliable sources for your your information and your help. But 2037 01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:31.680 the first port of call I would say to anyone 2038 01:54:31.800 --> 01:54:34.000 listening anywhere in the world is to go to your 2039 01:54:34.079 --> 01:54:37.800 GP and they can signpost you to where where you 2040 01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:38.359 need to be. 2041 01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:38.960 You need to go. 2042 01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:46.840 Yeah, so I get to say this now, Dear. 2043 01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:53.439 It's all right, so right, definitely, Father, thank you so 2044 01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:56.880 much for this conversation. I feel it's been impactful. I 2045 01:54:57.000 --> 01:54:59.640 feel that it's made a difference to those who have listened. 2046 01:55:00.920 --> 01:55:04.279 I want to pray in particular for doctor Sappho and 2047 01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:07.840 for Mark. May you bless them, Bless the work that 2048 01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:10.800 they're doing in their communities, Bless the work that they're 2049 01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:17.199 doing in their homes and in their churches online. I 2050 01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:19.960 know that you're calling them to different corners of the world, 2051 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:21.960 and we just want you to go with them and 2052 01:55:22.159 --> 01:55:25.199 enlarge in their territory because they're doing such wonderful work, 2053 01:55:25.319 --> 01:55:29.239 not just for men, but for people, for people who 2054 01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:33.119 are hurting both physically and mentally. And Lord, bless the 2055 01:55:33.199 --> 01:55:36.720 talking point team, the wider Ail team, and of course 2056 01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:40.079 bless our listeners. Once again, I hope that anyone who's 2057 01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:43.760 struggling with these topics, with these issues will find the 2058 01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:47.279 strength and the courage to get the support they need 2059 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:49.760 and to know that they're not suffering alone, because Lord, 2060 01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:53.199 you've promised, You've promised. And Joshua, one night and you say, 2061 01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:58.039 have I not commanded you be strong enough? Good courage, 2062 01:55:58.159 --> 01:56:01.760 do not be afraid nor be the smith, for I 2063 01:56:02.279 --> 01:56:07.439 am with you in Jesus' name. We thank you, Amen 2064 01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:08.880 and amen. 2065 01:56:12.399 --> 01:56:16.600 Joining point today as you always say, my name. 2066 01:56:16.600 --> 01:56:22.760 Is, my name is Anja. Oh goodbye. 2067 01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:27.359 One day we'll get it right. 2068 01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:34.640 That's what we did. It good that we absolutely perfect. 2069 01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:38.079 Once in a blue is better than. 2070 01:56:38.079 --> 01:56:41.399 Nothing, indeed indeed, and we'll keep at it. Bye, guys, 2071 01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:42.119 God bless you. 2072 01:56:43.159 --> 01:56:43.760 Thanks Mark. 2073 01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:53.960 Are you struggling to cope with life? Conflict, bereavement, fear, relationship, anger, depression, 2074 01:56:54.560 --> 01:57:00.479 negative thoughts, trauma and uncertainty can all cause emotional balance. 2075 01:57:01.279 --> 01:57:07.760 Don't struggle alone. CCS, your trusted confidential counseling service is 2076 01:57:07.840 --> 01:57:11.439 here for you. 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