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the Sean Ryan Show. Tom Holman The Borders Are sat
for a three hour interview with Sean Ryan, who's a
former Navy seal and he does a podcast and he
mainly focuses on a lot of national security terrorism kinds
of things. But he had Homan on for this three
hour interview and that's apparently the normal length of his shows,
and they covered a whole bunch of stuff, a whole
bunch of stuff. Tom Holman worked on the southern border
for years and that gave him gives him this, you know,
experience and this insight into what exactly the human costs
are of illegal immigration. And this is I've been making
this argument ever since the immigration stuff really kind of
became a story back in the early two thousands and
there was, you know, efforts to implement two eighty seven
G program in Charlotte, in Mecklemburg, and there were people
getting killed from dui drivers that were here illegally, and
it was difficult to get attention, It was difficult to
get traction in the legislature and stuff. It just wasn't.
It wasn't what it is now. Fast forward twenty five
years of this and everybody's well fed up with the situation. Right,
But because he worked the border for those years, he
was down there. I think he said he was down
there for like twenty five years, so probably was down
there when all of it started getting really really bad,
and he saw firsthand what I have been saying also,
which is not that he's listening to me, but it's
the same argument. It's the side of the Ledger that
is never accounted for from Democrats and media. But I
repeat myself in these open border activists, the human cost
in lives, treasure abuse. Right, It's unfathomable when you open
the border, tell people that you will get all of
this stuff when you get here, and then they take
the logical rational approach and say okay, I'll come, and
then they experience these horrible things on the way. They
get kidnapped, they get held for ransom by a rival cartel.
I mean, it's some of the stories from that area.
I remember covering. This was probably fifteen years ago. There
was this I guess they were fighting, probably over the
human trafficking routes at that time, the cartels were, and
so they would go and hit the rival cartels. Drop
houses they called them. So if you're a coyote and
you're bringing you know, twenty thirty people across the border,
you stash them someplace before you, you know, send them
to go work in some factory someplace, or you're going
to traffic them into the sex trade or whatever. You
bring them across and you bring them to this house
and you tell them okay, stay here, and you lock
them in there, and then you coordinate payment, you coordinate
travel to send them wherever they're going. And people don't
know when they come across the border. They don't know
if they're going to be sent to a drop house.
They don't They may be deceived, right, So they end
up in this drop house and then the cartels will
raid the other cartels drop houses. Either they'll murder everybody
in the house, they take them hostage, or they hold
them for ransom, and they torture people on the phone
with their loved ones back home in order to extort
money out of the loved ones back home. This was
a problem. I'm sure it still occurs, but I remember
this was like a This became a big issue probably
about fifteen years ago. So his experience on the border
has informed his outlook on this. And when you keep
your border open as we have, you are condemning people
to death, to vi ailins, and to abuse.
Speaker 2: It wasn't rare to find a dead body of an
illego alien that was making the journey and died making
that journey because the smogglers don't care if you get sick.
They're not calling nine to one one because that alien
means nothing to him. Now, he's not going to get
paid to get into this final destination. They just leave
there to die. I know, I can't tell how many
aliens we find near death's door making that journey, and
we actually were able to get them help and save them.
But the thing that really really affected me was two things.
Number one talking to a little girl about nine years
old that was part of the smoking group who was
raped multiple times by members of the criminal carte nine
years old. Yeah, and let me tell you so, it's
toughest guy you want to be when you sit down
and get on your knees. You talk to this little
girl and I and everything in his and pure evan
has been ripped from her where you can tell that
she has no faith in humanity. I mean, this little
girl's world was destroyed. She's never going to be the same.
I don't care how much counselince she gets, right, And
I'm a father and you think, you know, how can
someone do that to such an innocent little girl? And
it really changes who we are. I mean it's just
like you know, I can't believe there's a human being
out there that would would would do that to a
little girl. The members of Cartells are animals. They don't
care about these people. These people are commodity. And there's
been several instances where you know, women and children that
I've been involved when through an investigations were sexist ulted
by the car tells us, you know, demanded as part
of crossing them. Either across the desert or over the river,
or just take it. It's just just just raping for
the hell of it. I mean, I've seen rape trees.
You don't worry. Uh, these smugglers would just hanging panties
up in the tree as a trophy. And well, the
nine year old girl shook me because then you realize
just how inhumanities that these people are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's never an account that's part of this discussion.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 1: No, we hear what we hear from democrats. Who's gonna
who's gonna clean your bathrooms, who's gonna mow your yard?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: What about what about that girl and all the others
like her? Let me go over and talk to Ray here. Hello, Ray,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Oh Pete, I'm calling in since we're on this subject
of legal aliens committing crime, just just to try to
make more people wear whoever I can on the radio
and bring it to the forefront. Uh. That my mother
worked for several years with a lady. I won't mention
her first name, but her last name was Gardener, and
I knew the lady pretty well myself, and her family
was Scott Gardner, and he and his family of wife
and two kids were killed in a car crash with
an illegal lady and several years ago. You might remember it.
Speaker 1: I do, I absolutely do. They were down there were
they were at the beach right, they were coming back
from the beach.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they were. I just I wasn't
that familiar with her family. I just I just knew
the lady through my mom working with her, and her
last name being Gardener. She was probably pretty close related
to them. So I just thought i'd bring that, bring
that up while we were on the subject.
Speaker 1: Oh, I remember, I remember the story. I want to
say they were from Gaston County maybe, And.
Speaker 3: I think so. The lady talking about that worked with
my mother. Her and my mother worked at a sewing
plant here in Gaston County.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember I attended an event. It was
at Congresswoman Sue Myrick's office, I believe, and Sheriff Jim
Panograph was there from Mecklenburg and it was a focus
on illegal immigration and the problems, and that story was
front and center in that event. And I don't remember
all the details about the event, but I remember being
in that office. It was a media event. They brought
in you know families, you know, victims, families and stuff,
and they brought in law enforcement officials to try to
raise the profile. And I remember the case absolutely. I
believe they were down at the beach, they were on
their way back, and it wiped out the whole family.
So yeah, Ray, I appreciate the call, sir.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, thank you, thank you. Yeah.
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game that democrats are playing here. I've got the audio.
I've got the audio. We will cover it. But previously,
Holman said there were two cases that shook him right.
He gave you the first one about the nine year
old girl, and then he talked about the second case,
and this is where he got emotional. The second case
that he was called to investigate about twenty years ago.
I remember this case. You probably will too. It was
a tractor trailer that was filled with people and it
was abandoned in Texas.
Speaker 2: Right away. See several bodies on the ground because when
those doors finally opened up, that people are such a
rush to get air that they knock some dead bodies
out of the truck onto the ground. On some dead
bodies on the ground there. Then I got to the
back of the tractor trailer and uh, I looked in the
back of the tractor trailer, I just see that people,
most of me in their underwear because they were trying
to get some relief from the searing heat. And right away,
so I looked at a key down a little boy
and he was partially covered up by who later found
out with his father who was protecting him. And I
keyed in on him, and he was wearing the same
color underwear. My little boy had same underwear and I
had a five year old cent at the time, so
right away I keyed in on him. So we had
so I took an investigation. He also termed Houston flew
in and the helicopter came to the crime scene. But
what's going on. I was processing the crime scene. We
had a guy taking pictures and I was telling him,
don't take all these pictures. All I needed, but I
told him that we were do the boy last. Uh
and mainly because I couldn't handle it. That's the time.
So we processed the crime scene and I testified to this,
and I got angry when testimony with someone claimed I
didn't care about dying children. He should have wore my shoes.
I've seen a lot of dying children, dead children in
my career. So when we got to the child, I
knelt down beside him, I put my hand on him,
and I said a prayer because I knew, based on
the years I've done alien smart investigations, what a horrible,
horrible death this child went through. He make the death.
Speaker 1: He told stories of.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: Uh in this podcast with Sean Ryan, The Sean Ryan Show.
There was one coyote or smuggler who was bringing a
family over. They were from Africa, I think he said,
and it was a you know, mom and dad, a
couple of small kids. Whatever. They threw them in the
rather than get caught, they just threw them in the water,
threw them in the river, and then turned around and
drove off. And the family couldn't swim. They didn't care.
They just threw them in the water.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's the incentive structure that the prior administration and these
NGOs and these activists have created. And then they have
the audacity to accuse opponents of their policies of wanting
children to be separated from their parents or two be
killed to die or to be in cages. Right, Yet,
this is the system that you guys ran, this incentivized
system for people to make this journey and to be
abused in these ways. The trailer that he was talking
about there got up to one hundred and seventy five degrees.
They said. The air compressor for the truck was turned
off because the driver did not want to draw attention
to the fact that he was hauling human cargo. Right,
And if you've got that compressor running, some law enforcement
pulls you over, they're going to say, why do you
got the thing running in the back. You're obviously keeping
something cool. What have you got in the back, Because
if there's nothing back there, as you just told me
probably right, then that would be at odds with why
you're running the compressor. So let's take a look in
the back, and then he would be busted. The driver
was getting angry at the people in the back. He
was on the phone with his cartel and he was
mad because the people in the back were ripping apart
his truck because they were baking to death, and so
they had bashed out one of the tail light areas
and they were trying to signal for help. Trying to
get some air in there, trying to signal for help
or something, and so he abandoned it on the side
of the road, and he didn't even unlock the doors.
He stopped the truck, left the doors locked, unhitched it,
and drove away. Holman said fourteen people went to prison
over that case. But he also said that he did
not sleep for a week because of the experience with
that little boy, and that's what prompted him to then
go get help. But he also says that's why he
always says this. He woke up every day mad during
the Biden administration. Every day for four years, he would
wake up angry. And that's why because he knew that
that's occurring again. This stuff now continues and it gets
worse and worse, and more and more people, more and
more kids die. Because he knew what the open border
would do, because he had seen what occurred before. He
knew there would be more death, he knew there would
be more rapes, there would be more suffering, more drugs
flowing across the border, all of it. And so when
you know, Donald Trump gave him a call and said
do you want to come back? He said absolutely, let's
fix this. So why would you implement such an inhumane policy?
Why would you do something like this at all of
the human cost, all of the suffering, all of the death,
Why would you do this? Well, Tom Holman has he
has an idea and it may sound familiar, all right,
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a message on the email or in the email in
the inbox from Dennis who says, your caller just mentioned
that car crash that killed Scott Gardner and his family
from Gastonia by a drunk illegal alien twenty years ago.
I remember it well. Sue Myrick, our US congressional representative
at the time, tried sponsoring the Scott Gardner Act in
Congress to make it automatic deportation for any illegal caught
drunk driving, and Congress turned it down. And that probably
explains why I was at Sue Myrick's office in Gaston
County for some type of an event. I bet it
was the unveiling of that or it was some press
conference about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the details of why I was there,
just remember it was an immigration related thing, it was
in Gaston County, and it was because of that case.
So thanks Dennis. I appreciate that. I do recall. I
do recall now that you've refreshed my memory.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: The Washington Times reports that in the past the charges
of felony reentry have only been used sporadically, but under
Biden they plunged. Out of roughly one hundred forty thousand
illegal immigrants apprehended by border patrol agents in March of
twenty twenty four, just nine hundred eleven of the one
hundred forty thousand were charged with illegal entry, or seven
out of a thousand cases. By comparison, this past March,
the latest data that's available, agents record awarded eight thousand,
two hundred arrests. Prosecutors brought two thousand, six hundred four cases.
That is a rate of three eighteen per thousand cases.
That represents a forty five hundred percent increase. Illegal re
entry cases have shot up as well, went from twelve thousand,
forty six last year in March to almost three thousand
this past March. That's one hundred and forty percent increase
as well. See, when you prioritize particular enforcement, then you
send the deterrence message and and you remove the people,
you get them out. It can be done. Jonathan Faye,
a former federal prosecutor up in Virginia, who served as
acting head of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement at the
end of the first Trump administration, said, the lack of
prosecutions under Biden is another symptom of an open borders policy.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to prosecute these cases, even with the
most serious offenders. They wanted illegal immigration, and they would
do anything they could to encourage it, except when he said, duh,
do right. So this leads to the question of why
Holman on the Sean Ryan Show said that Joe Biden
unsecured the border on purpose. This was not incompetence, This
was not mismanagement. This was intentionally said.
Speaker 2: Because when President Biden signed over ninety executive orders destroying
everything that President Trump did and Trump forty five. He
also overturned to Trump's census rule, which means the man's
the people they release in the United States, that'll becount
the next census. Most of the sanctuary cities, which means
what when they proportioned their seats and House me it's
more seats than House with the deempts, and also I
think their future Democratic voters there.
Speaker 1: It is what have I been saying. It's about the apportionment.
He is exactly right. On January twentieth, twenty twenty one,
this report from NPR quote, one of President Biden's first
executive actions has reversed former President Donald Trump's unprecedented policy
of altering a key census count by excluding unauthorized immigrants.
The change ensures that the US continues to follow more
than two centuries of precedent in determining representation in Congress
and the electoral College.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But why why did Trump do that? Because you had
seen the increase in illegal immigration prior to Trump arriving.
He ran on it. Remember, nobody was even talking about
this topic before I came down the Escaleta. You know,
he wanted the border wall, he wanted a restrained immigration.
Why because it was a problem. It's been a problem
since Reagan cut the deal in the eighties. So he says,
you know what census is coming up. We're not going
to count these unauthorized immigrants because you guys have been
flooding the country with more and more people, allowing them
to stay and counting them towards the census. Hours after
he was sworn in as president, Biden signed an executive
order that calls for all US residents whether you're in
the country legally or not to be counted in state
population numbers that, according to the fourteenth Amendment, must include
the whole number of persons in each state. Right, So
you bring everybody in and then you got this. The
constitutional law is that you have to count whole number
of persons. So Democrats knew that, so they brought in
all the people so we can count more people in
the these areas that elect Democrats, and then we'll get
more seats in Congress, and we'll get a lasting, permanent
majority in the House. Another firewall, another blue firewall. So
Trump tries to get at that and says, no, we're
going to stop it. Oh, you can't stop it. He
got sued, and then Biden reversed the order. The state
counts are used once a decade to reallocate each state's
share of electoral votes and the four hundred and thirty
five seats in the House of Representatives. Since the first
national headcount in seventeen ninety, those counts have never omitted
any residents because of immigration status. Biden's order also rescinded
an executive order that Trump issued in twenty nineteen as
part of a project at the Census Bureau to produce
citizenship data using government records as an alternative to Trump's
failed push to add a citizenship question to the census form.
You remember this fight. They wouldn't even They don't even
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again Tom Homan on The Sean Ryan Show. He laid
out what I've been saying for years. This is why
I've brought to the sound bites, because it's confirmation that
I do. I do think like I might have an
idea what I'm talking about here. If Tom Homan is
saying it, then obviously I'm not alone in saying it
or thinking it right. And I've seen research. I guess
it was probably a couple of years ago that had
illegal aliens not been counted in the census, it would
have deprived democrats of somewhere in the neighborhood of about
twenty seven seats, twenty four to twenty seven seats. It's
all based on estimates. It's an illegal population. It's hard
to track. You don't know where they are, you don't
know you know how many. So that was some of
the research I had seen. So Democrats are at risk
of being in a perpetual minority in the House, in
the House of Representatives if they lose population, as they
have been losing population in the states that they control, California,
New York. They've already lost congression. California lost a seat
for the first time ever in twenty twenty, even with
all of the illegal immigration into California. Right, that's the
long term strategy. And secondarily, there is a belief that
the people coming up are going to vote Democrat. I
don't know if that's the case. I think there are
things that people coming from South and Central America being Catholic,
I don't think that they are on board with everything
that the left is, you know, promoting. But for now,
it keeps them, It keeps them in a position where
they can contest and maybe win majorities in the House.
That goes away so here, he says, Democrats are employing. Yes,
this long term strategy. Here's the last home and clip.
Speaker 2: Or not?
Speaker 1: Why why is it frozen? Why why did it freeze?
Let's try you again.
Speaker 2: They're playing the long game, they're smart at it. Overwhelm
the system. Let's bring ten point five man encounters to
the border, release them without proper betting, because all they
care about was the optics. If there's no overcrowding in
the sea, if there's no overcrowding, we could say the
border secure, which they did. Borbitual agents were ordered process quickly,
released quickly because if there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to
see here. So of course they weren't vetted properly. Didn't
have time to vet them properly. Why did they release
millions of people into the United States rather than putting
them in an empty ice bed, an ice bed owned
by ICE, contracted by Ice at one hundred and twenty
seven dollars a night. Why did they not fill that bed?
But they rather release them to Nangil. Get put in
a hotel at five hundred bucks a night, get three
three meals a day, get free medical care, and get
and not only that, they get flown into the city
their choice. They say, what they want to go, we
flew them there by administration, put them a hotel room
five hundred bucks a night, give them three meals a day,
free medical care. Why did they do that instead of
putting them in the ice facility one hundred and twenty
seven dollars a night because they knew exactly what they're doing.
They know if they go into ice detention, they get
a hearing within forty days based on real debt. If
an immigration court, nearly nine out of ten people claim
asylum will get ordered to remove. Because they don't qualify
for asylum, they get removed. That's not what they wanted.
Overwhelm the system because once you're out of the system,
you've got the detained docket. Immigration court prioritizes the detained docket,
but once you release them, now they're on the non
detained docket, sitting in the hotel room. Hearing's going to
take three five seven years, depending on what location you're on.
If you want to exhaust all you appeals, maybe nine years.
They overwhelmed the system because it's going to take years
to get these people through the process. And what happens
then we're hoping for a democratic administration. Now you can
warn Amnesty they're playing the long game. They overwhelmed the
system on purpose. They did not detain them on purpose.
Speaker 1: On purpose. Nine out of ten asylum seekers, he says,
are denied asylum requests, which they get within they get
their hearings within forty days. You'd arrest somebody at the border.
You bring them to a detention facility one hundred and
twenty seven dollars a night for the bed forty days,
within forty days, you run them through an asylum court.
The court nine out of ten times says you're not
actually covered under the asylum program, and so you got
to go back. So what do you do, Well, you
don't send them into the detention, You send them home,
give them a notice to appear. It's catch and release, right,
say oh okay, well you going to come back and
we'll hear it later. And it takes years to do that.
You file appeals. That adds more years and years. And
he says, you're overwhelming the system, which is Cloward and Piven,
nineteen sixties era sociologist laid out the plan for the
left overwhelm the system. This is not a new strategy,
but it is a long term strategy. That's what we're
dealing with now, and God bless Tom Holman and Donald
Trump for trying to try to stop this. All right,
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