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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to
welcome to the show, Daniel, Joseph Gobin. How you doing, Jenie?
Speaker 2: Very good, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on, my friend. I
am looking forward to our conversation. You have walked a
very similar path to the one I'm walking in in
the sense of being able to try to discover what spirituality,
what the nature of the universe is for yourself by
investigating everything and everybody and figuring out what makes sense
for you. And that's kind of what we do here
at the show. We go down every single path, every
kind of tradition, and try to find the core ideas
that connect us all. So my first question to you, Daniel,
is you begun having profound spiritual experiences at around seven.
Can you talk a little bit about that when you
first started being awakened? Because at seven I was watching
Saturday morning cartoons, so I wasn't being awakened at the time.
I was watching the Smurfs and ThunderCats, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it just seemed just a natural thing. Started
happening at the age of seven, which is a very
important period in life because until you're seven, you're just
kind of in the stream world, and after seven you
start to discover yourself to some degree. But I was
just cutting grass and I heard my guardian angel talk
to me. It was just as clear as a bell,
and it spoke with the voice of authority like I'd
always heard it, so I immediately believed, and it spoke
to me about my past lives my current life. I
came out, I had out of body experiences, but I
had no idea what was happening because I had no
framework to do it understand it. My parents knew nothing
about any of this, so if I tell them about it,
they were a little freaked out, you know. You know.
I first, you know, told him I could see the
etheric vitality, and they wanted me to have my eyes examined.
And then I told him about next time in reincarnation,
I want to be this and this, and they want
to have my head examined. Then, you know, because they
just didn't understand it. They didn't talk like that. They
didn't know anybody to talk like that about reincarnation, and
they're looking at me like, what's he talking about? How
does he know this? So that just went on and
on from there.
Speaker 1: That's pretty fascinating. You. So you were born not only
in the time period, but because if i'm when was
this the sixties seventeen? I was born in nineteen fifty,
nineteen fifty, okay, So if you were born in nineteen fifty,
then you in the mid late fifties essentially when this
was happening. So you might as well have three heads
if you start talking about reincarnation, and where were you
in the country at.
Speaker 2: The time, Indiana?
Speaker 1: So foreheads, Yeah, so heads, five heads. Essentially you could
have been talking about reincarnation back then. It's such as
that's very fascinating because the idea and the concept would
have not been in your purview. No, there's no Hindu
shows that you were watching on television in the fifties,
So this concept just came out of literally the ethereal.
The vine essentially gave you this information, which is what
you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it's in us. You know, all these
past lives are in us, so we know it, but
we don't know at the personality level because we're disconnected
from the soul, which is a record keeper of all that.
But sometimes it comes through to us, right, So you know,
I had past life experiences when I was eight years.
Speaker 1: Old, so you were you were seeing in your past
lives when you were eight.
Speaker 2: It wasn't so much seeing it way sort of seeing it,
but something would trigger it and I would just go
into this thing and it's like what they were talking
about I knew very well. And you know, you'd see
later on you go to a certain place and you
would have a familiarity with it, but this first one
just it proved out all through my life and desk
boats confirmed it. So you just have to you know,
anything you feel real resident with a person, place or thing,
there's some message in that.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, though it's a seven year
old in the fifties, no less, this information is so
far out there, how did you even process it? I mean,
it sounds like almost like you had a knowing about
it and it was just kind of like a matter
of fact about it. But when you start seeing your
parents and people around you start reacting differently. How did
you deal with that psychologic Because I got to imagine
when your parents are going, oh, this kid is weird,
let's get them tested and multiply way, I gotta believe
that does something to you.
Speaker 2: Actually, it didn't to me. I just knew they didn't
know that.
Speaker 1: Wow. So you just stuck to your understanding and your knowled.
Speaker 2: It was it was like in every cell of you
when you have a real deep one like that, It's
in every part of you, and it's just like, no
one can convince you it's not true because you really
experienced it. It's experiential knowledge is what it.
Speaker 1: Is, right, which is a lot but a lot of
the masters speak about the like if you books are
great and as far as leading you towards directions and
things like that. But experiential knowledge is the greatest knowledge
that you can have because you have actually firsthand experience
with it. So as you're growing up, how are you
continuously having mystical experiences? Are you seeing.
Speaker 2: Here and there? It's not like every day, but here
and there and do it? And I started to be
able to use the etheric energy of the material body.
And you know, when I was in high school or
high school and I could enhance it, I started to
learn how to work with I still hadn't read anything
about it, and it wasn't until college I started to
read something about it junior year in college about you know,
other thoughts, you know. Slowly that led me into Hinduism
and that really interested me, and so I just you know,
studied around Hinduism. And when I got to my twenties,
I took off and really started to really like, what's
what is this stuff I'm experiencing? What does this really mean?
And I go around to people and say, you know,
do you know? You know? I'd go to the guru's
mess do you know? And finally I met somebody didn't
new and he could explain it all and it was such
a way that not only did it resonate in you,
but he also taught you how to experience it for
yourself and can't that's you know, knowledge is theoretical knowledge
is one thing. Experiancial knowledge is another, and that leads
to wisdom those who lead the wist.
Speaker 1: Before where we get to your teacher, because I definitely
want to do a deep dive in him after spending
like twenty years, you know, walking the earth like cane
and kung fu and you know, studying both Eastern and
Western paths. Which is the biggest misconception about looking for
spiritual like spiritual seeking, because a lot of people like
I just made a quick little joke about like your
cane and kung fu walking from town to town with
a backpack on, and you know, just looking for a
new master, a new guru to talk to. What are
these misconceptions about spiritual seeking because so many people are
waking up now at this time in history and are
starting their their search for these ideas very much like
you did. You were a pioneer in many ways by
doing this, because in your time, this just doesn't This
was in the West, wasn't happening. Obviously you didn't run
into Yeah, you didn't run into anybody like bah, where
have you been? So what are those misconceptions? You think?
Speaker 2: First of one is probably the biggest one, is that
what we're seeking is outside of ourself. Everybody goes on
the guru hunt. I did. You've read it something in
the book, and you keep thinking, if I'm going to
get there, I'm going to find this thing. But it
turns out the seeker is the thought, you know, what
I'm saying, the thing that you are is what you're
really seeking, and the other side of it is that
thing in you, that higher self if you want to
call it, that is seeking you. So it's really a
very nice match once you realize that. The other one
is I feel very strongly about, is that we get
this concept we're spiritually developing and that's just not true.
I mean it feels that way to the personality, but
really what it is is an awakening. You mentioned the awakening.
It's a realization. That's why I call it self realization.
You're not realizing the personality self, you're realizing the inner self,
this higher self. And it's it's not like we have
two cells. We were one cells, but we have two,
you know, like we're duel and one. We have a
human nature and a divine nature and those things you know,
for most people they don't connect. But when you start
seeking consciously, you bring those two together closer and closer
than they touch.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. So out of all of the you know,
when you started studying the East and the West. We'll
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show. What are the mystical traditions
that connect the two because everyone always looks at them
very separately. But there is mysticism in Judaism, there is
mysticism in Christianity. There's definitely mysticism and being a Muslim
and Islam. But in the East it leans a lot
more into the mystic with the OKI's and Hinduism and
Buddhism and Tibetans and all that kind of stuff, So
it starts off more mystic than the West does. But
there is a lot of I mean, Christianity was a
mystical religion prior to Rome getting its hands on.
Speaker 2: It, absolutely before they hijacked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So what are the connections do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, it's basically the same thing. We're looking for something.
We're seeking something, you know, and in first you you
seek the truth, and then when you find it, what
do you do. We have to really deep dive into
you have to start researching the truth. That's why we
call ourselves researchers of truth, because we found some threat
of truth and now we really want to go into it.
But yeah, it's in all of them, you know, Judaism,
Like you say, I avoided Christianity because it had been
so poorly expressed. I thought these guys didn't know anything,
and so I went to India. I went to Hindu
shams and Buddhist monasteries, and you know, I would learn
and they were good, but they didn't take me as
far as I wanted to go. I really wanted to
know why, you know, what is all this? And who
am I? And what am I? Because those are two
different things. And so it wasn't until I met doctor
Steelianos Techlist that he showed us these out of body experiences,
these mystical experiences were in the New Testament. We just hadn't,
you know, quite understood it because of the poor examples
that certain ignorant priests have been doing to Christianity. So
what you have to do? What this is what the
researchers the truth is. One aspect of it is it's
taken all the two thousand years of religious prejudice and
ignorant dogma that's been heaped on it, and just read
the teachings and trying to penetrate those because those are
masterfully presented and they really do reveal the process.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I discovered as well on my
path as I was raised the Catholic and was this
illusioned with a dog mine the vision of it, even
at a young age. And I started seeking myself, and
very much like you, I started to lean more towards
the East and started to reject Christianity because again it
was presented in in such a way that it was
you know, I still feel guilty. It's a Catholicism. You're
gonna feel guilty, that's the thing. So then I started
leaning more towards the East. But after going through the East,
I started to go towards back towards Christianity. And now
it's been kind of my mission in this life and
in this show to not only talk about Christianity in
a beautiful way, but also to talk about the truth
of it, the truth of Jesus's teachings. I mean, I
stood in front of the Vatican when I was in
Italy and I literally had the epiphany going, this has
nothing to do with Christ, nothing to do with that.
This is all pomp and circumstance. It's all about man's
ego and power and control. Has nothing to do with
Christ and his teachings, and these beautifully masterful, simple, very
simple teachings. Do you find that the most profound teachings
in all of your journeys are the simplest.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's it's and Dashlos was one to do this. Obviously,
Christ did it. A lot of masters can do this.
They put the thing so simply, but it's just like damn.
It really just drives it home to you. And people
talk too many words, you lose the power, right.
Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite quotes is by Yogananda,
which was Christ died, was crucified on the cross in
one day, but his teachings have been crucified for two
thousand years, and.
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard this.
Speaker 1: Isn't that? Isn't that a beautiful It's just one of
my favorite quotes of his. Uh, it's it's beautiful. So
let's let's dive in a little bit about the way
jump on top of that one. Please please please go for.
Speaker 2: Dascolos used to say this, it's very similar. He said,
we they crucified Christ. We are crucifying him every day.
And the way we treat other people because he's in
them and he's in us, So how we treat other
people is one of the most reflective facts of how
advanced you are spiritual Lang which you could say.
Speaker 1: So you mean, so I can't, I can't go to
war and kill you in the name of Christ. That's
not that's not the Christ. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 2: That's basically I know it's earth shaking, But.
Speaker 1: So no crusades, is what you're saying. No crusades, no
crusades whatsoever.
Speaker 2: No, just you know, how hard can it be? Love
God and love your human fellow human being?
Speaker 1: How hard treat others as you would like to be treated?
I mean, that is as simple and profound as you get.
You know, the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Everything
I can do, you can do in more like these
are such basic, simple teachings, but so profound and so powerful.
And I I gotta imagine, you know, in Christ and
Buddha and and a lot of the masters of those
was walking around. It was similar to you. It looked
like they were talking like they had five heads. Because
at a time, sure they didn't get it, didn't get Yeah,
the consciousness of humanity wasn't really ready for them. They're
the ones that kind of pushed us and nudged us
up and up and more wake and more wake over
the centuries. But I gotta imagine. It's so difficult at
the time speaking about these kind of things.
Speaker 2: Trying to imagine Christ. When he's trying to help the
people understand what the Kingdom of Heaven is, he said,
the Kingdom of Heaven is like a woman who mikes
three measures of flour together with yeast. What did they
think he was teaching bakers how to cook, well, I
mean baked bread. You know, there's a real meaning in that.
We are we have a trinity on us, just like
the Godhead has a trinity, and our trinity is spirits, soul,
and personality and so and even within the personality, there's
a trinity the mental body, as the Hindoos calling, the
emotional body, and the physical body. And when those are balanced,
you feel like you're in heaven. But most people have
got too much had thing going on, or they're over
emotional or maybe over physical. But when you balance all
three of them, you're you know, you're aligned, and you
feel that heaven.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's really fascinating because when you start, you know,
I was fascinated growing up with like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I
grew up in the eighties, and you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger
and sliced the loan. And there are all these just
muscle bound guys. But as you see them as they're
getting older, especially Arnold specifically, he's become a lot softer
and he started to figure out, Oh, I must give more,
I must be of service more, I must help more.
And I'm not sure if it's age that's doing that
to him, but most of his career was all about
the body, the body of the body, the body of
the body. But when the body goes, when it happens
to all of us, all of us at one point,
you're not gonna look like thirty anymore, you know. And
he was essentially the picture of perfection of the human body.
I mean, he was literally known to have the perfect body.
And he's had that conversation so many times in public.
He talks about he's like, when I look in the
body in the mirror, now I look and I'm like,
oh my god, look what's happened to me? He goes.
But most people have never been in shape, so they
have no reference. True, you know, when another seventy eight
year old looks in the body like, oh, I'm out
of shape, he goes. But you've never been in shape,
so you really don't know the difference. I know what
it's like to have a perfect body for many, many,
many years. But it's amazing how how he started to
When the body goes and the physical body is starting
to go, that's when you start getting either mental or
you start getting spiritual, or you start balancing. It starts
to balance more, which is what I'm making. The point
of what you're trying to say is the balancing of
the three. You do feel like you're in all because
you never see a jacked up yogi, you know, generally.
Speaker 2: Speaking, Yeah, there was that yogi. I saw New York
one time who I forget his name, and he could
lift six thousand pounds and they had this whole apparatus
and he come under with his feet and he was
trying to trying to prove his strength.
Speaker 1: And I could have I could have a debate about
how yogi esque that is, or how much he's leaning
towards the ego. Have you ever heard this? This parable
of two yogis are at the edge of a river
and one turns to the other one and goes, hey,
I can I can watch this, And he levitates across
the river and he lands on the other side, and
the other Yogi just walks about twenty feet, goes on
the bridge and walks across two and he and he goes.
What did you think he goes? I think that's a
waste of thirty years. I could have just used the bridge. Yeah, exactly,
one leaning towards Ego, one leaning towards the path. Very
very fascinating. So let's talk about your teacher, the whale teachings.
And that's that's is his Namescalos.
Speaker 2: It's a Greek word means teacher.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show. So tell me about
when did you meet him? What is this profound teacher
that you obviously were searching. You didn't just walk among
them on the Starbucks somewhere. So how did you find
him and what was the feeling when you did find him?
Speaker 2: Well, I've been around the world, like I said, seeking
for twenty years, and at that point I had this brother, Seeker.
We used to go places together, and uh, he called
me one day and said, hey, you want to meet
a master? I said sure, why not? He had just
heard about Daskalos and at that time there were no
real books here or nothing was out about him, so
we will went. First of all, he told me that
it had been invaded Nicosia, Cyprus, where desk Bos what
had been invaded by the Turks, right, and so there
was still green line. People were getting shot, there were
car bombs and stuff. And when I heard that part,
I didn't want to go. So he said, I'm going
to go looking for some tickets, and I well, he
looked for tickets. I looked for an excuse to get out.
So when he called back, I said, I can't really go.
I don't have the money. Goes, I've party about the tickets.
You go, You're coming, And it was like without any effort,
I just showed up on his doorstep. And when the
first class I remember when he started talking about all
this stuff. You know, I thought I knew something after
twenty years of searching, But what he knew was you
didn't know anything, but you could tell he did. And
that was the guy I've been looking for, somebody that
really could explain all these different levels, all these different
you know, realities. There are many many realities.
Speaker 1: So what was it about. You know, I've been in
the room with a master or two in my day,
a walking master, and the energy they give is something
very special. It's visceral, especially for those who are empathiced,
and especially those who can kind of feel that kind
of energy. What was it about him other than his words?
Did you feel a presence? Because you hear these stories
of Yogi's who their presence and his masters who their presence,
you know you've become a glistener intoxicated, and you know
that's an extreme obviously, But what did you really feel
other than the information you were hearing.
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't look much different than an old grandpa,
and he didn't do he didn't do that. In fact,
he avoided that guru higher than you kind of thing.
And he just was humbly sat in a chair on
the same level with everybody else, and he talked and
humility was one of them, and this super wisdom was another,
but the most important one was this love I felt
with him. And he eventually reveals about how we've been
together in past lives, and you know, this is just
a carry on what we had known together before.
Speaker 1: So he spoke a lot about the researchers of truth.
What does that truly mean being a researcher of truth
rather than a believer or someone wes faith.
Speaker 2: Well, it means you don't you know. A believer is okay,
I believe in that thing way out there. But the
researcher lives tries to live it and make it part
of their daily life. That's the big difference. And you
keep going deeper and deeper, and so he gave the
tools of how to do it. He created The researchers
have been around for over two thousand years, but it's
only been an oral tradition. It's sodscalos and he says
it's time to reveal more and put it out there.
I think it has a lot to do with the
world we're in right now that we really need this.
It was just profoundness about being with him and the
love and how he could make you laugh so hard
your jaws would age. He was just he was everything
to me. He was a friend, a teacher, a guru,
not a guru, but a master. He was like a father.
Sometimes he was like a mother tender. When you do
a healing and something on you, he'd come like a mother. Okay,
It's just like he was everything. He had the vibration
of everything.
Speaker 1: What kind of lineage or was there a lineage you
were talking about that this has been passed on for orally,
what's the lineage of that? What is the Is there
a name for it?
Speaker 2: Well, it was called by other names in the past,
but it's now called Researchers of Truth. And even though
it was an oral tradition, some of us shown up
in other systems, like the Rosicrucians, the Cathers, you see
bits of it. Bit. He was the only one to
systematize it. So it goes on oral tradition, just in
small groups for all these years, and each researcher, if
he could, would take it farther and learn something else
and add it to it. So it's been this body
of accumulating knowledge. And so it's you know, you ask
the questions and what you're looking for, whether it's in
a material plane or spiritual. But the first guy that
did it was you don't ever hear this was melchi Or,
the guy called melchi Or in the Bible. He started it,
and he started it. He also came back around Christ
later and that greatly influenced him, and he started the
circles and took it back to his country.
Speaker 1: And this has been is and this has been origin
in Greece this entire time has it been staying?
Speaker 2: No, this this guy was was a Hindu. He was
a Hindu king that one of the three wise men
that came to see Christ. Okay, so he was a
Hindu king. Another guy was from what's now our meeting,
and the other guy was a Bedouin. So there were
three different kings and they did it too, but he
really did it, and he gave his whole kingdom away
just to do this. And the interesting thing was, and
most people don't know this, that in the Buddhist scriptures,
and they were an oral tradition too. For five hundred years.
Buddha's closest disciple and attendant, Ananda, ask him one day,
are you God? And he says no, But in five
hundred years God himself will incarnate. Well that was five
hundred years BC. So this Indian king knew about this prophecy.
So he was working on astrology and intuition and he
worked out the time, you know, intuitively, he got the
time Christ was born. He left his entire kingdom, came across,
picked up the other two kings, and they all wanted
to go to see the Christ. So that's how it starts.
Speaker 1: So is Douglas's teaching very connected to Christianity, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's not the Christianity that yeah, yeah, it's he
called it inner Christianity. But you know, to be a
good Christian it's the same thing to be as a
good Buddhist or to be a good Muslim. You know,
it's exactly the same thing means to be a good
human being, first of all. And what's the good herman
beings which means you get is you develop. You're developing
more love, more wisdom, and more strength. That's all it is.
So any religion that practitioner does that they're a Christian,
they're Buddhists. People come to Desklos and he would answer
their questions in the tradition they were from. And they
would say, well, are you a Are you a Jew? Yeah,
I'm Jewish, And they say, are you a Buddhist, Yes,
I'm a Buddhists. He would say yes to everyone because
he considered it all the same thing. The only difference is,
you know, we're all studying this truth and you have
the absolute truth, which no master on earth, no man
in the highest Heaven, has only that's God, the absolute truth.
So everybody else, every other religion, every other person is
some place between ignorance and knowing the absolute truth. So
the thing we want to do when we pick something
to follow I have this the way I feel is
we want to pick something that's covered more distance, because
some of them haven't covered very far. Some of them
are covered really far. So we want to pick one
that resonates with us, of course, but also has covered
a lot of distance toward the absolute truth. And the
absolute truth is that the relative So we're climbing this
like ladder of relative truth towards the absolute truth. And
the relative truth is only so much of the absolute truth.
But it's all like a one thing. It's just different
degrees of expression.
Speaker 1: It's a spectrum, if you will, Like you're going on
different different levels of it. So it's okay, I'm kind
of wrapping my head around it a little bit because
it's I mean, I've been saying the same thing because
I have a lot of people sometimes who ask me, like,
you know, if they're really Christian, or if they're Jewish,
or if they're you know, whatever religion or dogmatic religion
they're at. They What I find fascinating is that they
have to believe that theirs is the only way, because
that's the programming in their own mind. They're like, if
I'm if my path to God is not the only way,
and you're well, then that that negates my path, which
is not true at all. But they believe that, Hence
wars and all the other stuff that.
Speaker 2: Goes in, and they've been programmed to belie. But you know,
it's sort of like job security for the priest to say, oh,
those things are wrong.
Speaker 1: Come with us. We can't we can't have we can't
have talks of reincarnation in the Bible. That's gonna throw
throw things out of whack. We can't have that. So
let's talk about the teachings of the whale that he
talks about. What is what is the metaphor of the whale?
Speaker 2: My experience of meeting him was like being in this
ocean and nothing's going on, and all of a sudden,
this giant whale shows up next to you and as
he moves, like the currents he creates sort of take
you with him. So that's why I chose that metaphor?
Speaker 1: Is that your Is that your metaphor? Sure, the teaching
of the whale. So so he was this giant whale
and you kind of just rode his his wave.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't he Yeah, he wouldn't let you ride him,
but he you know, the currents just automatically drew you
along if you were interested in this subject anyway.
Speaker 1: So then how can someone living in today chaos and
noise connect with that same oceanic consciousness, if you will,
of swimming with the whale as you put.
Speaker 2: It, Well, I think you have to really take a
look at this guy and study what he presented and
what he brought forth. And like I said, he took
that oral tradition and systematize it. So now you have
not only the teachings but the practices. The teachings kind
of chart the path for you, but it's the practices
you do that moves you along that path. So there's
many many practices.
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and now back to the show. You were speaking about
self realization. What is the self that we are realizing?
You know, that's a very deep question there, what question?
That is the question? What is the self that we
are realizing?
Speaker 2: Well, most people think it's the personality self. But the
personality self is constantly changing. You know, you're not the
same person you were ten years ago or be twenty
years ago. So this personality, what's the personality made of?
It's this sum total of our thoughts, feelings, desires, intentions,
and action, and those change. So that can't be us
because the real, what's real, doesn't change, and what changes
isn't ultimately real, so it goes away. You know, your body,
you don't have the same body of that little newborn
that was crawled across for where did that body go?
It's gone. Every cell gets renewed every seven within seven years,
so obviously not our body. You know, it's constantly changing.
So but you've got to start there because right now,
the inner self is not two selves. It's one cell
has been in two natures. They're kind of mixed together
because we all every once in a while have a
feeling of something really high and noble, or feel like
we're something bigger than this personality with nothing but strengths
and weaknesses. So you have to start there and analyze.
That's we use the term self introspection, which is one
of the most powerful things to be able to separate
those two and then you start to recognize, well, that's
my inner cell or oh, that's my outer self with
full of egotism to doing this. So when you start
to separate that, then you put your foot on. Really
you're coming close to starting to realize itself. And it
happens in many different levels, but I won't go into
all that right now. But there's three different levels. The
inner self we call it, and then the soul self,
which is like the pure soul, and then the spirit
and those it's a very long journey to get to
the spirit.
Speaker 1: So what is the difference between the spirit and the soul.
Speaker 2: It's a matter of definition.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Imagine the sun and it's casting out rays of light
and the light comes to an archetypal idea we call
the hue human idea, and when that light comes to that,
it's like light coming to a window, and that light
comes through the window and assumes the shape of that window.
No difference between the light on the outside and the
light on the inside. But if the square at the
window square, it has a square shape. So it's kind
of a definition and it's not created, it's just formed.
It's hard to describe obviously at that level, but it
forms the spirit into through the human idea archetype, and
an archetype is like a mold in which many things
are made. So there's one human archetype, but many many
human beings. But then what happens is every human being
has different thoughts, different feelings, different desires. That's why there's
no two personalities the same on Earth. Even in identical twins,
they are not the same personality because they're using the
mind differently and creating their thoughts and emotions and desires.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful metaphor of the sunlight hitting the window
because essentially we're we're all windows. It's just how the
window is designed and what because the sun is all
the same in other words, that the sun. Let's let's
call we're going to get into the metaph deep into
the metaphors.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: The sun is either God or the Higher Self or
the over soul or whatever you what name you want
to give it. And then the rays coming through is
the or the spirit, and the rays coming through is
the soul. But the actual manifestation in the physical form
is the window that the rays kind of have to
go through to form the sun.
Speaker 2: That the oh, the window. The window is the the
archetypal idea of human beings, and that craates the form
of the light of the spirit. Let's go to light.
So the sun, sun has the light, it comes through
the window. It's the same light. It's just taken on
a formation. Now, but when the sun hits the floor, now,
well that's the personality and what happens. If this personality
is dark and heavy, it's not going to reflect much light.
If this person alley off the floor is white, it's
going to reflect a lot of light. These high masters,
they're like a crystal caremer. That's the difference in personalities.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the masters. What do the masters do?
Because I'm fascinated with the ascended masters, the ideas of
the ascended masters and all of the you know Jesus, Buddha,
Yogananda and men Saint Germaine and so on that these
masters who walked are what is happening to these masters,
even you know, living ones are recent ones like your
teacher Yoga Nanda's another recent master that walked the earth.
What is it about their energy, their vibration, their frequency
that is helping waken so many souls around them, by
their message or by themselves just being in the room
with them. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Well they're they're the ones who have touched on the
truth that they're a child of God too, right, So
they are on fire. So when you get close to
those guys, they caught catch you on fire. They started
firing you, or they enhance the fire that's already in you.
That's what I feel about it. When you're around somebody,
they just you know, it upflists you. They say, right, well,
what so the ones.
Speaker 1: So they're lighter fluid. Yeah, it's like a form of
the form of something to either start the fire or
enhance the fire that's already inside of you and essentially
awaken you more. But on a and I hate to
use the word technical, but on a technical level, it's
we're all frequency, we're all vibration. That's the nature of
the universe is frequency and vibration. So, but their frequency
is at a higher pitch than most walking the planet.
So by either being in their presence if you're lucky
enough to be in their presence, or by hearing their
voice or even the vibrations of their teachings in a
book that holds vibration as well. I mean, anyone who's
ever picked up Autobiography of a Yogi and reads it
for the first time, it's like, it's like you're getting
slammed in the face so much. Though, though when I
first read it, I put it away. I was like, no, no, no, no,
no no no, I can't like, I'm not ready. I'm
not ready yet. It took me to my thirties before
I can actually read it. So does that make sense
to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But see, now you're talking about something very important
called a tunement. So when you start to listen to them,
you start to feel a tunement. So what's a tunement. Well,
if you take a piano and a harp and put
it next to each other in the room, and they're
both attuned, and you strike to note one note on
that piano, that same note on the harp will resonate
because there's a vibration coming off from to the other one.
That's like a master and a personality, and some of
are a seeker, and.
Speaker 1: They're both different. The harp sounds different than the piano,
but the note is the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the vibration is the same.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, now you were also talking about worlds and
realms and things like that. There's a term you've spoken about,
the psycho psychonetics.
Speaker 2: Psychonoetics.
Speaker 1: We call it this.
Speaker 2: It's really one thing, but it has two different states
and you move through it. When it's people call it
the heaven worlds. You know, Christ said there were seven heavens.
Well where are they? Well, Earth is the first, the
psychical is the second, and Hindus call it astral. Same
thing Hindus call what they call them the mental we
call no edical because no eedical nos is from the
Greek and it means mind. And then they have the
higher causal. So it's the same exact story. So what
is it? Co Lombardo's right, so these are different realms?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are these realms? And how do you
can you travel to them?
Speaker 2: Well, again, it's by attunement and picking up the vibration
eventually expilot one mint. But people think of where are they, Well,
they're right here, They're right exactly where you are, and
they've been just a higher vibration and it's like the same.
We'll go back to some vibrations experience. If you play
seven notes on a scale on an octagon on a piano,
and then you jump to the higher scale above it,
it's the same notes, it's just vibrating in a higher frequency.
So these three worlds of existence are right here, vibrating
at a higher level. And some people clairvoyance can kind
of see through that veil between the two worlds, but
it's because it's at a different rate. I mean, you're
moving your hand through a psychical world, but nothing is
substructing you. Likewise, if you were in your psychical body,
you could move your hand through terial things. I've had
that experience where I've walked through material walls because i
was in my higher body. I wasn't in a material body.
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Speaker 2: And once once you start to have that experience, you
start to realize, well, none of this is as real
we thought it was.
Speaker 1: So so then okay, I'm trying to wrap my head.
I love these kind of conversations because it starts making
me Really, when my head starts to hurt, this is
a good thing. This is a good thing. So what
is the difference then, Because from my I've had experiences
where I've sat down and I've done astral travel I've done.
I've not out of body experiences yet. I haven't gotten
to that place yet, but I've done astral travel within
my own meditations, things that have happened to me, and
my meditations where visions and other information comes in that
there's just no way I made it up, just no
way I made it up. But where I find a problem,
where I find a challenge, And I think this is
where most people find challenges with this kind of topic,
is that you don't know what you're imagining versus what's
coming through. So I've been guided to my spirit counsel
and walk through and I'm like, is this happening? Am
I making all of this up? But the things that
are coming through I wouldn't say, or I wouldn't do,
or I wouldn't even begin to imagine these things. So
that's how I'm starting to differentiate between things I'm making
up in my own imagination and things that are actual experiences.
Do you know what I'm talking about? And how and
how do you make it? How do you tell the
difference between the two?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's for sure that's happening because we
have this egoism that's kind of tricking us all the time.
It's trying to trick us all the time. So is
that real or is that not real? Sometimes it tricks
you into thinking something that wasn't real Israel, And sometimes
it takes you into thinking something wasn't real it was real.
So for me, it's a vibration. It's how it resonates
in me. It's almost like hand in glove. It fits
the other one. Oh maybe maybe, but the other one.
When I have the experience, it just rock solid.
Speaker 1: So you just you just understand, you just like this
is real.
Speaker 2: It's like you know, it's like I was trying to
talk about my parents not knowing it, but I knew it,
so they are Their doubt did you know? Didn't sway me.
Speaker 1: There are moments in my in my meditations that I've
had those moments that I'm like, this is absolutely one
something outside of me. It's a mystical experience as opposed
to something in your imagination, because it just takes a
hold of you in a way that you can't really explain.
Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You just I mean because you can you can explain
away like oh, I'm master traveling, I'm going through a wormhole.
I'm going through another reality, another timeline, or I'm going
to visit the future, the past, or something along those lines.
You can kind of intellectually wrap your head around it.
But when you have a vision internally, when you're meditating
or something, and you are taking hold of it, and
the feeling your body gets and everything is so powerful
that you're just like, what just happened to me? Like
it's it's a thing that it's happened to me only
a handful of times, but those times have been so
profound to me that I can give you details of
every instance of what happened in each of those things,
wherein the other stuff it's kind of dream almost dreamlike.
It kind of comes in and comes out. Does that
make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little ephemeral. It's just not solid, But yeah,
trust those feelings that you have.
Speaker 1: You've studied so many different walks of spirituality and ideas
of it. There's a concept that suffering is necessary for awakening.
Is that an illusion of the lower self? Or is
that true that there has to be a certain amount
of suffering to awaken?
Speaker 2: I think it's true. I think it is true. But
you know, because we got to wake up we're in
this dream. It's like somebody's slapping in the face. Wake up,
snap out of it. You know, life does that to you,
especially when you get stuck right. Something will come along
and it'll smack you and shake you and you start
to well, what was that? Why am I doing that?
So suffering really serves to help wake up the person
if and only if they respond to it correctly, and
if they all poor me, Oh, I'm a victim again.
That's they lose right that one.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have to go through it again. When
you're talking about that, it brought to my attention or
brought to my memory The Matrix, one of my favorite
films of all time. And when you are leaving the
Matrix world, when Neo you say, I'm assuming you've seen
the Matrix. Oh of course, okay, okay. So when Neo
is leaving the Matrix and he's taken the blue pill,
and he's taken it, it's a blue pill. I think
I forgot which one it is. I think it's a
blue or the red pill, one of the two. I
thought it might he would take the red pill, you exactly.
I confuse it too. So he takes the red pill,
and now he's leaving. Well, before then there was suffering,
but it was a different kind of suffering. He was
just kind of like not going anywhere in life. He
was a hacker on the side, all this kind of stuff.
But once he takes that pill, it's nothing but suffering.
I mean, it's like suffering to get out of the matrix,
suffering to literally be pulled out of the those things
coming out of his mouth, and he's taken and he's
thrown in and he's eating mush, you know, mush. He's
dressed horribly, it's cold. It's nothing but suffering. In the
real world. When he awakens to what the reality and
the truth is, it's all pure suffering until he learns
to transcend it, and then he becomes an awakened one.
He becomes a master eventually, where he can then control
both worlds. He can go into the matrix and play
with it and manipulate it, and then he starts to
be able to do that in the real world as well.
So it's such a I don't want to go down
a matrix rabbit hole because I could talk about matrix
for hours and hours, But does that make sense as
far as what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: I say, sure, and there's some mouse right, it might
have even been Christ but I can't say for sure.
Who said if you knew what your suffering did for you,
you would pray that it never stopped. It's a heavy
one in it.
Speaker 1: Ooh that's Oh. That hit me like a ton of bricks. Oh. Man,
that's powerful because if you look at your life, anytime
you've grown, anytime you've made a big step forward, there's
been suffering. There's been challenges, there's been adversity. That's what
tests you. That's what tests your metal. That is what
makes you the samurai sword and not the kitchen knife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that, or butter knife maybe, but.
Speaker 1: Even better a butter knife. But that's such a part.
Speaker 2: So if just think about this, when you awaken, it's
like opening your eyes and you see a bigger picture,
more higher truth. Right. Well, it may be your spouse
left you, you know, it's like that wakes you up
and you start to open your eyes and it's just
like if you were asleep and you just opened your
eyes to bright eye, bright light. Man, that would hurt you.
So there's two ways of going, you know, So like
two ways to progress. One is the path of basically suffering.
It's a trial and error, you know, it's like taking
it on the chin all the time. Or the other
one is through reason, where you really introspect on what's happening.
You play it through and you start to see it
and you can avoid some of those sufferings and pitfalls.
It's not mandatory, as it has to do with how
attached we are to our illusions and our ignorance.
Speaker 1: That's a really important one. How attached we are to
our illusions? Can you dive in a little bit to that.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's just like I was saying, your wife leaves
your business parts you're teaching. You had this illusion they
were something else, but the world woke you up to
the truth. Well that was painful. So in our system,
you know, christis pick up your cross and follow me. Right,
what's your cross? Well, your crosses all this karmic baggage
right where you think you're going to follow him too?
The crucifixion where the egotism is crucified and you can't
expect to be resurrected as this higher self if the
lower sell the at least of the egotism in the
lower cell isn't crucified so eventually, and the pain, how
painful it is. It's exactly how attached you are to
your egoism.
Speaker 1: With your journey to find out what was happening to
you and all the paths you walked. What do you
believe is the biggest misconception of this term enlightenment because
obviously the Buddha found but so many people think it's
a destination that after you get there, then you just
walk around like Christ and heal people, and like, what
is the you know, what is the truth of enlightenment?
What's misunderstood about this concept?
Speaker 2: For me, it's not just like this one thing. You
have many enlightenments, because enlightenment really means waking up to
the true nature of reality. And there's no higher enlightenment
than waking up to who you are because you're a
child of God. When you realize that, it's a totally
different situation.
Speaker 1: Now. You've also done a lot of work in prisons. Yeah,
and that's really interesting because I mean, the souls that
are in prison a lot of times feel lost, feel hopeless,
literally feel like they're trapped and they can't get out.
Some will never get out. How what did your work like,
how did what did you witness during this work that
really just like, oh my god, I can't believe that
that happened to that soul.
Speaker 2: One day, I had a very interesting experience in Mexico.
They took me to a juvenile delinkment center and the
kids were in there, and you know, they didn't they
were just there because they didn't have anything else to do.
There kept your audience, right, And there was this kid
in the middle of the second row and he sat
there like this. He had his hat on sideway and
he was just giving me this SKUNKI right, And I
thought this kid, I couldn't read him, but.
Speaker 1: He was just like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He was really focused on me, but I couldn't quite reading.
And when it was over, he came up to me
and he hugged me and he started taking bracelets he
had made off and give them to me. He followed
me around the rest of the time like a puppy dog.
Wrote me notes. It really impacted him. I thought it
wasn't hitting him, but it really really hit him the hardest.
A lot of them got stuff from me, and then
they take me to a big maximum security prisoner with
three hundred people, right, and I'm sitting there talking to them.
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Speaker 2: And this guy in the middle of the second row
has a tear drop. He's killed somebody, right, and he's
given me this look like I'm feeling like I don't
know what he's thinking.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But after it was over, he came up and hugged me,
and he started telling me how beneficial it was the
people in the Mexican prisons. These people are open to it.
They've been beat over the head with Catholicism really badly,
and when they hear the fresh story of it, it's
not like that Christ didn't judge anybody it. They didn't
make him feel guilty for things. So when they start
to hear it's something more and something they can relate to,
it's just like they come alive. It was like I've
never seen such a response in an audience, more than
even just an American audience who's just not in jail.
Sometimes they were really hidden.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating because they especially the Mexican jail, because I'm
Latino and I've was raised it was raised Catholic as well,
and this beating of the dogmine, all the stuff that
comes along with Catholicism that they are, they're so like
they're searching, and I think people listening to this conversation
they're searching for truth and they don't want to turn
their their back on Christ because his teachings were so pure,
so much love. From what I've understood from my research,
if you know, most Catholics are not following Christ, They're
following Paul, you know. I mean it's it's Paul, Paul
and Mary. No no other Mary, of course, but no
Paul and Paul wrote. Between Paul and his disciple, they
wrote half the New Testament, you know, so a lot
of the Dogma, a lot of the fee or all
that stuff was written by Paul. Had nothing to do
with Christ. You know. It's it's fascinating, but it's so
lovely to see that they were they were searching, and
you gave them the door and they walked in through it.
They did have a new relationship with Christ's teachings.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just went just a couple of months ago
to the same prison actually, uh with the juveniles with
my friend who's the researcher truth in Mexico, and he
gave them a lesson that time. And the kids in there,
you know, you think, oh they're juveniles and you don't
look that bad. One of them had raped his and
killed his five year old sister. Another one who killed
his mother. And these guys were loving it. They were
just loving hearing this. And they looked up to my
friend who was given the lesson, and you could see
the admiration like that, Oh, this is my big brother.
He knows the truth, you know, he's helping me. So
even the well, even Saint Paul said the redemption of everything,
So even the worst of the worst will be redeemed.
Speaker 1: That's another conversation for another podcast.
Speaker 2: How long that's going to take? How much suffering?
Speaker 1: Different matter, a different matter, karma, you know, Yeah, soul blueprints.
There's a lot the sole contracts, a lot of things
going on there now. Docolos also described the human being
as a living laboratory of the divine. Can you explain
that idea?
Speaker 2: Sure, we are the divine, We're a spark of the God.
You know, Christ said it, all these enlightened masters that
said we're a child of God. And the part about
a laboratory is that we use our personality like a
scientist us as a laboratory. We study things. What makes
us feel that way? Why do I get angry over this?
Why do I chase these streams? Why do I chase
that idea? So we're studying ourselves all the time, but
we have to use our subconsciousness as like the laboratory.
Speaker 1: He also talked about thought form creation. Can you explain
what that means?
Speaker 2: Sure, thoughts are things, right, we hear that, but what's
it really mean. Well, when we create a thought, even
if it's not a strong thought, we are imbuing it
with power, energy, purpose, are intent, and it gives it
a form. It gives it really a form, a form
that we can't see with our materialized clairvoyin see it
all the time. I've seen them. Sometimes you don't want
to see them. Some of them are really horrifically horrible.
It's God's mercy that we don't see them. And so
those things are living, and once they're created, they never die.
All you can do is take the energy out and
so they don't affect you. That's where habits come from.
You have this habit of smoking a cigarette twenty times
a day or something, and you do it every day,
and you do it for years and years and years.
That's a hard thing to break and the only way
to break it is take the energy out. You can't
fight against it, You'll never win. So these things are
real and they affect everybody. We live in a sea
of these thought forms. We'll call them thought forms dosclose
and the Sufis call them elementals. So these things that
are living, they follow you from one life to another
until they're fulfilled or you consciously disenergize them.
Speaker 1: You have to do them karma. Is this a karma thing?
Speaker 2: Well, sure, but this is the mechanism, the actual thing
that takes out you know, you've done something, You've say
I hate that person. But we live in like a dome, right,
So anytime you say a hateful word, it echoes and
comes back to you. But now it has a form,
and that form is the shape of your intention. Like
if it's jealousy, it might be a snake or an animal.
Speaker 1: Or something, a person or you can be a person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that person's face.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you have this strong desired wish and thought
about it, I want a diamond ring. The shape in
the form of it is a diamond ring. That diamond ring.
So they take these forms on, but they don't we
can't see them, so we think, oh, that's nothing. I
just had a thought.
Speaker 1: So these ideas. So, let's say alcoholism is something that
you're fighting with in this lifetime and maybe your parents,
your father fought it, and before that, your great grandfather
fought it and so on. That's ancestral almost in the
line that you decided to come into. So can you
talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: It's genetic, but it's not material genetic, it's right energetic,
it's a it's we call them family elementals. They travel
from one generation to another. And it says in the
Bible the sins of the father are transferred down to
three or four generations. Well, this is how it happens
through these influences. They're an influence. So now the next kid,
who But the thing is you have to vibrate somewhat
in harmony for it that influence to hit you. If
you're pure and you don't think about gambling or drinking
or anything, it's not going to affect that kid. But
some kid it feels similar vibration that can attach to
him and stick with him and then drive him, influence
his behavior. But it's only an influence. It's not a possession,
but it might as well be his possession because if
they accept it. But if they do accept it, it's
really hard to get rid of it because you've repeat
it too many times, and every time you repeat it,
it get stronger every time you deny it. Like if
you want to have a cigarette, just don't have the
next cigarette and you'll win, right, Just one cigarette.
Speaker 1: Easier said than done, obviously, of.
Speaker 2: Course, of course, speak use of the power and the
drive of this thoughtful it's attached to you and it
works through the energy aspect of your body.
Speaker 1: So similarly to you know, generational abuse of people like
abusing their kids and you know, spanking them and all
this stuff where I was raised like that, not an
abusive way, but spanked, where we choose not to do
that to our children. We're kind of breaking that cycle
exactly because we've decided no, we're not, We're not doing
that anymore. Trust me. I would like to. I have teenagers.
I would love to. But I think every parent listening
could kind of feel my feeling relate to that one.
But but we choose to do it differently this time,
and hopefully that breaks the cycle, because there are people
in my generation who are continuing the cycle like that
for their kids and so on and so forth. So
I'm fascinated with the idea of these elementals and these
things that kind of haunt you and follow you from
from life to life. And there's also but there's that's
we're talking about the negative ones, but there's also positive ones.
Speaker 2: Just like there's positive karma, negative karma. It's what it's
what you're doing. It creates the thing. So if you
sit down and meditate every day, then you have this
elemental influencing you to try to still you and center
you at certain times of a day.
Speaker 1: Right if if you all of a sudden can play
the piano at seven, you know, beautifully, that's probably something
you've brought in from another life, because that's there's no
possible way to center your you can learn how to play,
you know, Mozart couldn't have learned how to play what
he played. He brought that in from another life. Now,
I wanted to ask you, do you believe that humanity
is collectively dreaming reality? And if so, how can how
can we awaken from it without denying it, which is
the biggest problem of awakening or finding enlightenment. It's still
being here and living in this world and navigating this world.
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Speaker 2: Every human being creates a shell, and it's made up
of their thoughts, feelings and all that kind of stuff.
And not one person listening to this podcast sees you
the same way or me the same way. Amen, So
you know that's that's what's going on. We're all creating
our own reality. How many realities are there, how many
human beings are there, we all create them. But see,
here's the thing. We create our reality based on what
we know. So who we think we are and what
we think reality is, and how we react to that
reality depends on what we know, and what we know changes.
Reality changes for us, and we change with it because
we have new new elementals, new thoughts, new ideas, and
we learned something mankind sis. It has always been that way,
and it's that way now. You know. Five hundred years
ago we thought the Earth was the center of the universe.
Four hundred years ago, we thought the sun was rotating
around the earth, you know, and you're not too long
ago A couple was one hundred and fifty. We thought
burning witches was a good idea.
Speaker 1: It was a good thing, you know.
Speaker 2: So we changed, and so our reality changes.
Speaker 1: Do you how do you see humanity moving forward? I
mean you've been you've been on this planet for a
few minutes, and you've seen and you've seen things change
from that seven year old in the late in the
late fifties, where consciousness has gone and information has gone,
and awareness has gone across humanity. People say, yeah, this
is oh, this is so bad. Life is going that
the world is in chaos, all the political stuff and
the financial stuff, and the food and ever in the
religion and all this stuff seems to be going out
of whack. But I always look at us like we
are more evolved now, awakenedly, more evolved now than I
can see us anytime in the last you know, five
to six thousand years. It doesn't seem like it, But
we were doing like you just mentioned, we were burning,
which is one hundred and fifty years ago, you know.
I mean they were still doing barbaric things in the
I think the the last the last guillotine was in
France was still going on when Star Wars was released,
is right. I saw that somewhere like they were they
just were about to get rid of it, but they
were still executing you know, death penalty with the guillotine. Wow,
in the seventies there, and there's so many more examples
of that through different cultures around the world. But we
have evolved to the point where like maybe we shouldn't
burn witches. Yeah, you know, maybe maybe women should be
allowed to vote, you know, maybe you know, these kind
of things that we've evolved consciously to go. You know what,
it's not right to do that. We have a long
way to go, trust me.
Speaker 2: But we've come a long way. You've got a good point.
Speaker 1: We've come a long way. So where do you see
us moving as far as the level of collective awareness
or consciousness going in the next five to ten years,
Because these last five years have been a hell of
a ride, I know, and.
Speaker 2: It's about to get even more accelerated, I believe. Tell me, Well,
when human beings come to the planet, I think of
the first caveman. These guys are just like animals. All
they're thinking about are the five esses, Sex, sleep, sustenance, shelter,
and survival. They're just animals. But what starts to happen
is they have to start to use the mind and
develop their consciousness because something's trying to eat them and
they need to eat something. So both cavemen and cave
women carried clubs around to fight and to kill thanks
to eating, and it's slowly, slowly to develop. They developed
then they move through. So basically what I'm saying is
there's five levels of consciousness. This whole thing's about. Humanity
has to go through these five level consciousness to get
to the end. And the first level that humanity has
to go to is instincts you consciousness. That's what the
casement were. They were just living instinctally, but then through
the experiences they start to wake up more and they
start to then start to live subconsciously. Human beings, a
lot of human beings live subconsciously. They go to work,
they do this, and their life's over and they haven't
thought about it, you know. So then we move out
of the subconscious phase into the consciousness, a waking phase,
and there's many, you know, steps in that phase, and
eventually we move into the super consciousness phase. That's where
you can see clearvoyantly, here clear audiently and use the
mind in a whole different way. And he has many
levels too. And when we finally get through that stage,
we reach super conscious self awareness. Now in an awakening phase,
it's a self consciousness, but it's about the little self.
But at the end of the thing, when you finally
reached this final stage in masters have reached it, Doscolos
had reached it self super conscious awareness. He knew who
he was. He had super consciousness. He could tell you
what you said to somebody, not only that day like
earlier in the day, previous lifetimes. Of course, people couldn't
prove that one, but during the day he would just
constantly tell you stuff that made you realize he was
playing with a lot more cards than anybody else because
he knew what was going on with you. You know,
he had meet you for the first time, he had
mentioned something from your life back into wherever you came from.
So he had that, and that's where we're all going.
Speaker 1: What do you think Doscalos would think about today's state
of the world, politically, spiritually, all of it.
Speaker 2: Well, he had a certain phrase, as he used to
like to say, nothing more stupid. I think he would
find this what's happening now is just complete and stupid,
but he knows it's necessary to give us the necessary
experience to come out of this predicament we're in.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that humanity has to go
through the same suffering as the individual does, absolutely sure,
in order to awaken. And the stuff that we're going
through these last I mean, it's been a wild ride
since two thousand, but it seems like twenty twelve was
a really big pivotal year because of buying calendar and
that whole thing of switching, and that was the beginning
of the new era of humanity's consciousness and growing. Twenty sixteen,
twenty twenty is from twenty twenty on, it's just been
every year, it just keeps folding on itself, and it
just keeps growing and getting more intense and more boud.
Do you see that that's happening in these next five
to ten years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think there's no stopping it now. It
started to awaken, people starting to awaken. It's like a
snowball and it's oh and this is wrong, and this
is this has been a lie and all that kind
of stuff, So it's definitely coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see these videos of one of the biggest
things that one of my biggest pet peeves that is
happening in the world right now is America's food system.
I can't stand what is allowed to be sold to
human beings here. And the thing that kills me is
when I'm in Europe, I can eat. I can go
to McDonald's and eat. Not that I want to, but
if I have to, if I want to stop and
pick up something, I know when I eat a French
fry over there, it's gonna be a potato. You know
that if you put that, If you put that French
fry in a in a bag somewhere for a month,
it's going to decay, It's gonna smell, and it's gonna
build mold here. That French fry will be good for
probably the next five to ten years. It's insane. But
people are starting to awaken to this. People are starting
to understand that there's certain things happening our food system
that's unacceptable anymore. When Europe has figured that out decades ago.
No GMOs, no corn syrup. You know, I could drink
a Coca cola not that I should. It's but as
a tree.
Speaker 2: But you hear cokes making them with cane sugar.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I wonder why I want to because I
wonder because no, because people are demanding it and people
are like, wait a minute, why are why? Why are
why do we have red number seven? And in Europe
doesn't like why do we have corn syrup? In Mexico?
Mexico has sugar. I don't know about you. Like we
have costcos in La and in Texas where I'm at
right now, and they sell Mexican coke.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sell Mexic because people want Mexican coke now
because it has sugar in it as opposed to GMO
ridden corn syrup. So it's fair, it's fair. But so
that's an example. I use that as an example of
things that are that people are just waking up to.
And it's getting and it seems to be getting more
and more people are waking up. More people are starting
to get angry, and more people are demanding change more.
And boy, I think we're in for a while to ride,
like you said, because there's a lot of change that
needs to happen, and it's change isn't always pretty.
Speaker 2: It's not change is not always but it's necessary, it's
absolutely necessary.
Speaker 1: We're going to go on, So what what gives you
hope for humanity's future? Because we're talking a little bit
of people. Okay, tell me.
Speaker 2: I find I find, you know, I find that there
are most wonderful things in anybody, virtually almost you know,
some people are just so annoying you don't want to
be with them, can't get can't get away from them
fast enough, and that's because of their elementals are so
disharmony is to yours, you know?
Speaker 1: Is that why when you meet? Is that why when
you meet somebody you're just like, Oh.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. It's there because then you mentioned vibration.
Those elementals make an average tone to Sufi's called a tone.
It's their vibration, and it's so how to sync with
yours that you just well, I gotta go, you know.
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And now back to the show. There's a there's a
person in my family that I that I that exactly
that happens. That person's never done a thing to me ever,
and Andy they married into the family. The distant family.
But when I'm around them, I just I just like
I gotta get away from them. I'm like, it is
just visceral in me. I'm like, oh oh oh. And
again they're not they're not like, you know, doing any
drugs in front of me. They're not even speaking. They're
just just their presence alone. Just I just can't. I can't.
I can't do that. And it's it's fascinating. But that's
the thing that's like, it's their their vibration, their frequencies
just so far removed from mine that I just can't
even be around them. It's it's pretty it's pretty fascinating, Daniel.
Where can people find out more about you and the
amazing work you're doing in the world.
Speaker 2: Researchers of Truth dot com is our website and we
have a just lots of free videos on YouTube through
you know, hashtag Researchers of Truth. We're starting to put
someone telegram or TikTok and they think there's some on
Instagram right now, and we do seminars now. We've just
been backed by a nonprofit organization from England and they're
they're funding us and they're helping us develop a school
so we're building this big school with daskalosis teachings so
people can go and listen to him talk and obviously
read the books, but read private lessons that the public
doesn't have, and really study this stuff deeply like we
did when he was alive. So we're really looking for
we're going to launch that next year.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. And finally, if you could whisper
one message to every soul in humanity right now, what
would that message be? Wake up?
Speaker 2: Wake up?
Speaker 1: As simple as that simple? Uh, Daniel. It has been
such a pleasure talking to you, my friend. Thank you
so much for your tireless work of trying to awaken
this planet and everybody in it. I appreciate you and
everything you do and my friends, so thank you again.
Speaker 2: All right, feel the same way about you, my friend,
and look forward to meeting you maybe someday.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you again. Thank you for spending this sacred
time with us today. If you feel called to explore
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