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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to

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welcome to the show, Daniel, Joseph Gobin. How you doing, Jenie?

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Speaker 2: Very good, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on, my friend. I

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am looking forward to our conversation. You have walked a

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very similar path to the one I'm walking in in

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the sense of being able to try to discover what spirituality,

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what the nature of the universe is for yourself by

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investigating everything and everybody and figuring out what makes sense

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for you. And that's kind of what we do here

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at the show. We go down every single path, every

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kind of tradition, and try to find the core ideas

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that connect us all. So my first question to you, Daniel,

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is you begun having profound spiritual experiences at around seven.

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Can you talk a little bit about that when you

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first started being awakened? Because at seven I was watching

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Saturday morning cartoons, so I wasn't being awakened at the time.

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I was watching the Smurfs and ThunderCats, So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it just seemed just a natural thing. Started

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happening at the age of seven, which is a very

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important period in life because until you're seven, you're just

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kind of in the stream world, and after seven you

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start to discover yourself to some degree. But I was

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just cutting grass and I heard my guardian angel talk

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to me. It was just as clear as a bell,

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and it spoke with the voice of authority like I'd

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always heard it, so I immediately believed, and it spoke

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to me about my past lives my current life. I

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came out, I had out of body experiences, but I

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had no idea what was happening because I had no

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framework to do it understand it. My parents knew nothing

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about any of this, so if I tell them about it,

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they were a little freaked out, you know. You know.

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I first, you know, told him I could see the

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etheric vitality, and they wanted me to have my eyes examined.

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And then I told him about next time in reincarnation,

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I want to be this and this, and they want

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to have my head examined. Then, you know, because they

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just didn't understand it. They didn't talk like that. They

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didn't know anybody to talk like that about reincarnation, and

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they're looking at me like, what's he talking about? How

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does he know this? So that just went on and

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on from there.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty fascinating. You. So you were born not only

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in the time period, but because if i'm when was

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this the sixties seventeen? I was born in nineteen fifty,

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nineteen fifty, okay, So if you were born in nineteen fifty,

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then you in the mid late fifties essentially when this

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was happening. So you might as well have three heads

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if you start talking about reincarnation, and where were you

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in the country at.

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Speaker 2: The time, Indiana?

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Speaker 1: So foreheads, Yeah, so heads, five heads. Essentially you could

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have been talking about reincarnation back then. It's such as

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that's very fascinating because the idea and the concept would

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have not been in your purview. No, there's no Hindu

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shows that you were watching on television in the fifties,

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The vine essentially gave you this information, which is what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it's in us. You know, all these

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past lives are in us, so we know it, but

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we don't know at the personality level because we're disconnected

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from the soul, which is a record keeper of all that.

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I had past life experiences when I was eight years.

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Speaker 1: Old, so you were you were seeing in your past

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lives when you were eight.

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but something would trigger it and I would just go

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into this thing and it's like what they were talking

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about I knew very well. And you know, you'd see

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later on you go to a certain place and you

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would have a familiarity with it, but this first one

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just it proved out all through my life and desk

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boats confirmed it. So you just have to you know,

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anything you feel real resident with a person, place or thing,

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there's some message in that.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, though it's a seven year

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old in the fifties, no less, this information is so

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far out there, how did you even process it? I mean,

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it sounds like almost like you had a knowing about

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it and it was just kind of like a matter

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of fact about it. But when you start seeing your

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parents and people around you start reacting differently. How did

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you deal with that psychologic Because I got to imagine

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when your parents are going, oh, this kid is weird,

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let's get them tested and multiply way, I gotta believe

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that does something to you.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it didn't to me. I just knew they didn't

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Speaker 1: Wow. So you just stuck to your understanding and your knowled.

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Speaker 2: It was it was like in every cell of you

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when you have a real deep one like that, It's

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in every part of you, and it's just like, no

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one can convince you it's not true because you really

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experienced it. It's experiential knowledge is what it.

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Speaker 1: Is, right, which is a lot but a lot of

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the masters speak about the like if you books are

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great and as far as leading you towards directions and

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things like that. But experiential knowledge is the greatest knowledge

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that you can have because you have actually firsthand experience

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with it. So as you're growing up, how are you

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continuously having mystical experiences? Are you seeing.

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Speaker 2: Here and there? It's not like every day, but here

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and there and do it? And I started to be

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able to use the etheric energy of the material body.

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high school and I could enhance it, I started to

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learn how to work with I still hadn't read anything

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about it, and it wasn't until college I started to

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read something about it junior year in college about you know,

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other thoughts, you know. Slowly that led me into Hinduism

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and that really interested me, and so I just you know,

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studied around Hinduism. And when I got to my twenties,

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I took off and really started to really like, what's

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what is this stuff I'm experiencing? What does this really mean?

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And I go around to people and say, you know,

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do you know? You know? I'd go to the guru's

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mess do you know? And finally I met somebody didn't

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new and he could explain it all and it was such

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a way that not only did it resonate in you,

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but he also taught you how to experience it for

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yourself and can't that's you know, knowledge is theoretical knowledge

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is one thing. Experiancial knowledge is another, and that leads

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to wisdom those who lead the wist.

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Speaker 1: Before where we get to your teacher, because I definitely

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want to do a deep dive in him after spending

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like twenty years, you know, walking the earth like cane

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and kung fu and you know, studying both Eastern and

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Western paths. Which is the biggest misconception about looking for

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spiritual like spiritual seeking, because a lot of people like

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I just made a quick little joke about like your

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cane and kung fu walking from town to town with

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a backpack on, and you know, just looking for a

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new master, a new guru to talk to. What are

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these misconceptions about spiritual seeking because so many people are

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waking up now at this time in history and are

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starting their their search for these ideas very much like

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you did. You were a pioneer in many ways by

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doing this, because in your time, this just doesn't This

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was in the West, wasn't happening. Obviously you didn't run

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into Yeah, you didn't run into anybody like bah, where

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have you been? So what are those misconceptions? You think?

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Speaker 2: First of one is probably the biggest one, is that

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what we're seeking is outside of ourself. Everybody goes on

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the guru hunt. I did. You've read it something in

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the book, and you keep thinking, if I'm going to

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get there, I'm going to find this thing. But it

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turns out the seeker is the thought, you know, what

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I'm saying, the thing that you are is what you're

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really seeking, and the other side of it is that

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thing in you, that higher self if you want to

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call it, that is seeking you. So it's really a

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very nice match once you realize that. The other one

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is I feel very strongly about, is that we get

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this concept we're spiritually developing and that's just not true.

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I mean it feels that way to the personality, but

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really what it is is an awakening. You mentioned the awakening.

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this higher self. And it's it's not like we have

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two cells. We were one cells, but we have two,

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you know, like we're duel and one. We have a

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human nature and a divine nature and those things you know,

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for most people they don't connect. But when you start

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seeking consciously, you bring those two together closer and closer

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than they touch.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting. So out of all of the you know,

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when you started studying the East and the West. We'll

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now back to the show. What are the mystical traditions

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that connect the two because everyone always looks at them

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very separately. But there is mysticism in Judaism, there is

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mysticism in Christianity. There's definitely mysticism and being a Muslim

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and Islam. But in the East it leans a lot

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more into the mystic with the OKI's and Hinduism and

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Buddhism and Tibetans and all that kind of stuff, So

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it starts off more mystic than the West does. But

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mystical religion prior to Rome getting its hands on.

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Speaker 2: It, absolutely before they hijacked it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So what are the connections do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's basically the same thing. We're looking for something.

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We're seeking something, you know, and in first you you

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seek the truth, and then when you find it, what

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do you do. We have to really deep dive into

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you have to start researching the truth. That's why we

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call ourselves researchers of truth, because we found some threat

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of truth and now we really want to go into it.

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so poorly expressed. I thought these guys didn't know anything,

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and so I went to India. I went to Hindu

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shams and Buddhist monasteries, and you know, I would learn

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and they were good, but they didn't take me as

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far as I wanted to go. I really wanted to

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know why, you know, what is all this? And who

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am I? And what am I? Because those are two

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different things. And so it wasn't until I met doctor

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Steelianos Techlist that he showed us these out of body experiences,

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these mystical experiences were in the New Testament. We just hadn't,

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you know, quite understood it because of the poor examples

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that certain ignorant priests have been doing to Christianity. So

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what you have to do? What this is what the

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ignorant dogma that's been heaped on it, and just read

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the teachings and trying to penetrate those because those are

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masterfully presented and they really do reveal the process.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing I discovered as well on my

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path as I was raised the Catholic and was this

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very much like you, I started to lean more towards

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the East and started to reject Christianity because again it

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was presented in in such a way that it was

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you know, I still feel guilty. It's a Catholicism. You're

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gonna feel guilty, that's the thing. So then I started

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leaning more towards the East. But after going through the East,

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I started to go towards back towards Christianity. And now

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it's been kind of my mission in this life and

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in this show to not only talk about Christianity in

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a beautiful way, but also to talk about the truth

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of it, the truth of Jesus's teachings. I mean, I

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stood in front of the Vatican when I was in

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Italy and I literally had the epiphany going, this has

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nothing to do with Christ, nothing to do with that.

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This is all pomp and circumstance. It's all about man's

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ego and power and control. Has nothing to do with

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Christ and his teachings, and these beautifully masterful, simple, very

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simple teachings. Do you find that the most profound teachings

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in all of your journeys are the simplest.

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Speaker 2: It's true, it's it's and Dashlos was one to do this. Obviously,

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Christ did it. A lot of masters can do this.

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They put the thing so simply, but it's just like damn.

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It really just drives it home to you. And people

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talk too many words, you lose the power, right.

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Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite quotes is by Yogananda,

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which was Christ died, was crucified on the cross in

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one day, but his teachings have been crucified for two

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thousand years, and.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't heard this.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that? Isn't that a beautiful It's just one of

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my favorite quotes of his. Uh, it's it's beautiful. So

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let's let's dive in a little bit about the way

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jump on top of that one. Please please please go for.

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Speaker 2: Dascolos used to say this, it's very similar. He said,

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we they crucified Christ. We are crucifying him every day.

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And the way we treat other people because he's in

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them and he's in us, So how we treat other

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people is one of the most reflective facts of how

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advanced you are spiritual Lang which you could say.

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Speaker 1: So you mean, so I can't, I can't go to

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war and kill you in the name of Christ. That's

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not that's not the Christ. Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: That's basically I know it's earth shaking, But.

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Speaker 1: So no crusades, is what you're saying. No crusades, no

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crusades whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: No, just you know, how hard can it be? Love

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God and love your human fellow human being?

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Speaker 1: How hard treat others as you would like to be treated?

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I mean, that is as simple and profound as you get.

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You know, the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Everything

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I can do, you can do in more like these

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are such basic, simple teachings, but so profound and so powerful.

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And I I gotta imagine, you know, in Christ and

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Buddha and and a lot of the masters of those

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was walking around. It was similar to you. It looked

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like they were talking like they had five heads. Because

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at a time, sure they didn't get it, didn't get Yeah,

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the consciousness of humanity wasn't really ready for them. They're

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the ones that kind of pushed us and nudged us

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up and up and more wake and more wake over

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the centuries. But I gotta imagine. It's so difficult at

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the time speaking about these kind of things.

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Speaker 2: Trying to imagine Christ. When he's trying to help the

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people understand what the Kingdom of Heaven is, he said,

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the Kingdom of Heaven is like a woman who mikes

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three measures of flour together with yeast. What did they

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think he was teaching bakers how to cook, well, I

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mean baked bread. You know, there's a real meaning in that.

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We are we have a trinity on us, just like

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the Godhead has a trinity, and our trinity is spirits, soul,

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and personality and so and even within the personality, there's

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a trinity the mental body, as the Hindoos calling, the

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emotional body, and the physical body. And when those are balanced,

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you feel like you're in heaven. But most people have

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got too much had thing going on, or they're over

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emotional or maybe over physical. But when you balance all

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three of them, you're you know, you're aligned, and you

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feel that heaven.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's really fascinating because when you start, you know,

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I was fascinated growing up with like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I

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grew up in the eighties, and you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger

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and sliced the loan. And there are all these just

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muscle bound guys. But as you see them as they're

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getting older, especially Arnold specifically, he's become a lot softer

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and he started to figure out, Oh, I must give more,

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I must be of service more, I must help more.

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to him, but most of his career was all about

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the body, the body of the body, the body of

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the body. But when the body goes, when it happens

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to all of us, all of us at one point,

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you're not gonna look like thirty anymore, you know. And

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he was essentially the picture of perfection of the human body.

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I mean, he was literally known to have the perfect body.

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And he's had that conversation so many times in public.

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He talks about he's like, when I look in the

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body in the mirror, now I look and I'm like,

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oh my god, look what's happened to me? He goes.

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But most people have never been in shape, so they

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have no reference. True, you know, when another seventy eight

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year old looks in the body like, oh, I'm out

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of shape, he goes. But you've never been in shape,

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so you really don't know the difference. I know what

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it's like to have a perfect body for many, many,

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many years. But it's amazing how how he started to

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When the body goes and the physical body is starting

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to go, that's when you start getting either mental or

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you start getting spiritual, or you start balancing. It starts

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to balance more, which is what I'm making. The point

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of what you're trying to say is the balancing of

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the three. You do feel like you're in all because

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you never see a jacked up yogi, you know, generally.

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Speaker 2: Speaking, Yeah, there was that yogi. I saw New York

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one time who I forget his name, and he could

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lift six thousand pounds and they had this whole apparatus

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and he come under with his feet and he was

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trying to trying to prove his strength.

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Speaker 1: And I could have I could have a debate about

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how yogi esque that is, or how much he's leaning

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towards the ego. Have you ever heard this? This parable

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of two yogis are at the edge of a river

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and one turns to the other one and goes, hey,

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I can I can watch this, And he levitates across

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the river and he lands on the other side, and

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the other Yogi just walks about twenty feet, goes on

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the bridge and walks across two and he and he goes.

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What did you think he goes? I think that's a

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waste of thirty years. I could have just used the bridge. Yeah, exactly,

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one leaning towards Ego, one leaning towards the path. Very

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very fascinating. So let's talk about your teacher, the whale teachings.

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And that's that's is his Namescalos.

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Speaker 2: It's a Greek word means teacher.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

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and now back to the show. So tell me about

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when did you meet him? What is this profound teacher

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that you obviously were searching. You didn't just walk among

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them on the Starbucks somewhere. So how did you find

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him and what was the feeling when you did find him?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been around the world, like I said, seeking

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for twenty years, and at that point I had this brother, Seeker.

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We used to go places together, and uh, he called

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me one day and said, hey, you want to meet

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a master? I said sure, why not? He had just

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heard about Daskalos and at that time there were no

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real books here or nothing was out about him, so

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we will went. First of all, he told me that

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it had been invaded Nicosia, Cyprus, where desk Bos what

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had been invaded by the Turks, right, and so there

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was still green line. People were getting shot, there were

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car bombs and stuff. And when I heard that part,

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I didn't want to go. So he said, I'm going

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to go looking for some tickets, and I well, he

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looked for tickets. I looked for an excuse to get out.

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So when he called back, I said, I can't really go.

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I don't have the money. Goes, I've party about the tickets.

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You go, You're coming, And it was like without any effort,

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I just showed up on his doorstep. And when the

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first class I remember when he started talking about all

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this stuff. You know, I thought I knew something after

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twenty years of searching, But what he knew was you

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didn't know anything, but you could tell he did. And

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that was the guy I've been looking for, somebody that

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really could explain all these different levels, all these different

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you know, realities. There are many many realities.

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Speaker 1: So what was it about. You know, I've been in

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the room with a master or two in my day,

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a walking master, and the energy they give is something

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very special. It's visceral, especially for those who are empathiced,

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and especially those who can kind of feel that kind

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of energy. What was it about him other than his words?

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Did you feel a presence? Because you hear these stories

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of Yogi's who their presence and his masters who their presence,

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you know you've become a glistener intoxicated, and you know

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that's an extreme obviously, But what did you really feel

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other than the information you were hearing.

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Speaker 2: Well, he didn't look much different than an old grandpa,

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and he didn't do he didn't do that. In fact,

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he avoided that guru higher than you kind of thing.

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And he just was humbly sat in a chair on

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the same level with everybody else, and he talked and

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humility was one of them, and this super wisdom was another,

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but the most important one was this love I felt

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with him. And he eventually reveals about how we've been

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together in past lives, and you know, this is just

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a carry on what we had known together before.

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Speaker 1: So he spoke a lot about the researchers of truth.

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What does that truly mean being a researcher of truth

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rather than a believer or someone wes faith.

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Speaker 2: Well, it means you don't you know. A believer is okay,

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I believe in that thing way out there. But the

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researcher lives tries to live it and make it part

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of their daily life. That's the big difference. And you

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keep going deeper and deeper, and so he gave the

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tools of how to do it. He created The researchers

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have been around for over two thousand years, but it's

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only been an oral tradition. It's sodscalos and he says

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it's time to reveal more and put it out there.

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I think it has a lot to do with the

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world we're in right now that we really need this.

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It was just profoundness about being with him and the

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love and how he could make you laugh so hard

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your jaws would age. He was just he was everything

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to me. He was a friend, a teacher, a guru,

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not a guru, but a master. He was like a father.

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Sometimes he was like a mother tender. When you do

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a healing and something on you, he'd come like a mother. Okay,

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It's just like he was everything. He had the vibration

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of everything.

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Speaker 1: What kind of lineage or was there a lineage you

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were talking about that this has been passed on for orally,

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what's the lineage of that? What is the Is there

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a name for it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it was called by other names in the past,

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but it's now called Researchers of Truth. And even though

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it was an oral tradition, some of us shown up

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in other systems, like the Rosicrucians, the Cathers, you see

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bits of it. Bit. He was the only one to

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systematize it. So it goes on oral tradition, just in

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small groups for all these years, and each researcher, if

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he could, would take it farther and learn something else

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and add it to it. So it's been this body

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of accumulating knowledge. And so it's you know, you ask

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the questions and what you're looking for, whether it's in

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a material plane or spiritual. But the first guy that

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did it was you don't ever hear this was melchi Or,

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the guy called melchi Or in the Bible. He started it,

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and he started it. He also came back around Christ

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later and that greatly influenced him, and he started the

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circles and took it back to his country.

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Speaker 1: And this has been is and this has been origin

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in Greece this entire time has it been staying?

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Speaker 2: No, this this guy was was a Hindu. He was

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a Hindu king that one of the three wise men

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that came to see Christ. Okay, so he was a

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Hindu king. Another guy was from what's now our meeting,

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and the other guy was a Bedouin. So there were

473
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three different kings and they did it too, but he

474
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really did it, and he gave his whole kingdom away

475
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just to do this. And the interesting thing was, and

476
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,279
most people don't know this, that in the Buddhist scriptures,

477
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and they were an oral tradition too. For five hundred years.

478
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Buddha's closest disciple and attendant, Ananda, ask him one day,

479
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are you God? And he says no, But in five

480
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:06,599
hundred years God himself will incarnate. Well that was five

481
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,920
hundred years BC. So this Indian king knew about this prophecy.

482
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So he was working on astrology and intuition and he

483
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000
worked out the time, you know, intuitively, he got the

484
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:22,240
time Christ was born. He left his entire kingdom, came across,

485
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,759
picked up the other two kings, and they all wanted

486
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to go to see the Christ. So that's how it starts.

487
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Speaker 1: So is Douglas's teaching very connected to Christianity, Yeah.

488
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:37,519
Speaker 2: But it's not the Christianity that yeah, yeah, it's he

489
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,599
called it inner Christianity. But you know, to be a

490
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,279
good Christian it's the same thing to be as a

491
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,440
good Buddhist or to be a good Muslim. You know,

492
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,200
it's exactly the same thing means to be a good

493
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,119
human being, first of all. And what's the good herman

494
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,519
beings which means you get is you develop. You're developing

495
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,920
more love, more wisdom, and more strength. That's all it is.

496
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So any religion that practitioner does that they're a Christian,

497
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,000
they're Buddhists. People come to Desklos and he would answer

498
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:09,880
their questions in the tradition they were from. And they

499
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,119
would say, well, are you a Are you a Jew? Yeah,

500
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,799
I'm Jewish, And they say, are you a Buddhist, Yes,

501
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,480
I'm a Buddhists. He would say yes to everyone because

502
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,599
he considered it all the same thing. The only difference is,

503
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,880
you know, we're all studying this truth and you have

504
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,160
the absolute truth, which no master on earth, no man

505
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:31,359
in the highest Heaven, has only that's God, the absolute truth.

506
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,920
So everybody else, every other religion, every other person is

507
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:39,880
some place between ignorance and knowing the absolute truth. So

508
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:43,519
the thing we want to do when we pick something

509
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,839
to follow I have this the way I feel is

510
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,079
we want to pick something that's covered more distance, because

511
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:51,119
some of them haven't covered very far. Some of them

512
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,839
are covered really far. So we want to pick one

513
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,440
that resonates with us, of course, but also has covered

514
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a lot of distance toward the absolute truth. And the

515
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,559
absolute truth is that the relative So we're climbing this

516
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,160
like ladder of relative truth towards the absolute truth. And

517
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,279
the relative truth is only so much of the absolute truth.

518
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,759
But it's all like a one thing. It's just different

519
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:15,839
degrees of expression.

520
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: It's a spectrum, if you will, Like you're going on

521
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:24,039
different different levels of it. So it's okay, I'm kind

522
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,720
of wrapping my head around it a little bit because

523
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,559
it's I mean, I've been saying the same thing because

524
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,599
I have a lot of people sometimes who ask me, like,

525
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you know, if they're really Christian, or if they're Jewish,

526
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:38,279
or if they're you know, whatever religion or dogmatic religion

527
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:40,920
they're at. They What I find fascinating is that they

528
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,839
have to believe that theirs is the only way, because

529
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:46,319
that's the programming in their own mind. They're like, if

530
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,359
I'm if my path to God is not the only way,

531
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,160
and you're well, then that that negates my path, which

532
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,799
is not true at all. But they believe that, Hence

533
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,279
wars and all the other stuff that.

534
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Goes in, and they've been programmed to belie. But you know,

535
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,559
it's sort of like job security for the priest to say, oh,

536
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,559
those things are wrong.

537
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,839
Speaker 1: Come with us. We can't we can't have we can't

538
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,599
have talks of reincarnation in the Bible. That's gonna throw

539
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,480
throw things out of whack. We can't have that. So

540
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,240
let's talk about the teachings of the whale that he

541
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,799
talks about. What is what is the metaphor of the whale?

542
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,519
Speaker 2: My experience of meeting him was like being in this

543
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,799
ocean and nothing's going on, and all of a sudden,

544
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,559
this giant whale shows up next to you and as

545
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,279
he moves, like the currents he creates sort of take

546
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,640
you with him. So that's why I chose that metaphor?

547
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: Is that your Is that your metaphor? Sure, the teaching

548
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,039
of the whale. So so he was this giant whale

549
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,319
and you kind of just rode his his wave.

550
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: He wouldn't he Yeah, he wouldn't let you ride him,

551
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,640
but he you know, the currents just automatically drew you

552
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,119
along if you were interested in this subject anyway.

553
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: So then how can someone living in today chaos and

554
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:06,519
noise connect with that same oceanic consciousness, if you will,

555
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,759
of swimming with the whale as you put.

556
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Speaker 2: It, Well, I think you have to really take a

557
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,960
look at this guy and study what he presented and

558
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:16,480
what he brought forth. And like I said, he took

559
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:20,640
that oral tradition and systematize it. So now you have

560
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,880
not only the teachings but the practices. The teachings kind

561
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,799
of chart the path for you, but it's the practices

562
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720
you do that moves you along that path. So there's

563
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:31,000
many many practices.

564
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

565
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:43,559
and now back to the show. You were speaking about

566
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,920
self realization. What is the self that we are realizing?

567
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,119
You know, that's a very deep question there, what question?

568
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,759
That is the question? What is the self that we

569
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:55,640
are realizing?

570
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,599
Speaker 2: Well, most people think it's the personality self. But the

571
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personality self is constantly changing. You know, you're not the

572
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,640
same person you were ten years ago or be twenty

573
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,920
years ago. So this personality, what's the personality made of?

574
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It's this sum total of our thoughts, feelings, desires, intentions,

575
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:17,079
and action, and those change. So that can't be us

576
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,519
because the real, what's real, doesn't change, and what changes

577
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,519
isn't ultimately real, so it goes away. You know, your body,

578
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:28,279
you don't have the same body of that little newborn

579
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,720
that was crawled across for where did that body go?

580
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:35,599
It's gone. Every cell gets renewed every seven within seven years,

581
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:40,440
so obviously not our body. You know, it's constantly changing.

582
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,559
So but you've got to start there because right now,

583
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,519
the inner self is not two selves. It's one cell

584
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:51,640
has been in two natures. They're kind of mixed together

585
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,720
because we all every once in a while have a

586
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,680
feeling of something really high and noble, or feel like

587
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,359
we're something bigger than this personality with nothing but strengths

588
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,680
and weaknesses. So you have to start there and analyze.

589
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,079
That's we use the term self introspection, which is one

590
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,359
of the most powerful things to be able to separate

591
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,559
those two and then you start to recognize, well, that's

592
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,920
my inner cell or oh, that's my outer self with

593
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,880
full of egotism to doing this. So when you start

594
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,440
to separate that, then you put your foot on. Really

595
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,920
you're coming close to starting to realize itself. And it

596
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:31,279
happens in many different levels, but I won't go into

597
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,079
all that right now. But there's three different levels. The

598
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,640
inner self we call it, and then the soul self,

599
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,400
which is like the pure soul, and then the spirit

600
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,599
and those it's a very long journey to get to

601
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,079
the spirit.

602
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: So what is the difference between the spirit and the soul.

603
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Speaker 2: It's a matter of definition.

604
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:49,799
Speaker 1: Really.

605
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,559
Speaker 2: Imagine the sun and it's casting out rays of light

606
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,680
and the light comes to an archetypal idea we call

607
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,720
the hue human idea, and when that light comes to that,

608
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,200
it's like light coming to a window, and that light

609
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,359
comes through the window and assumes the shape of that window.

610
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,160
No difference between the light on the outside and the

611
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,759
light on the inside. But if the square at the

612
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,079
window square, it has a square shape. So it's kind

613
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,920
of a definition and it's not created, it's just formed.

614
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,359
It's hard to describe obviously at that level, but it

615
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:35,119
forms the spirit into through the human idea archetype, and

616
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,640
an archetype is like a mold in which many things

617
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,480
are made. So there's one human archetype, but many many

618
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,480
human beings. But then what happens is every human being

619
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,960
has different thoughts, different feelings, different desires. That's why there's

620
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:55,200
no two personalities the same on Earth. Even in identical twins,

621
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,519
they are not the same personality because they're using the

622
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,079
mind differently and creating their thoughts and emotions and desires.

623
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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful metaphor of the sunlight hitting the window

624
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:10,280
because essentially we're we're all windows. It's just how the

625
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,079
window is designed and what because the sun is all

626
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,159
the same in other words, that the sun. Let's let's

627
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,440
call we're going to get into the metaph deep into

628
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the metaphors.

629
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Speaker 2: Here.

630
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,679
Speaker 1: The sun is either God or the Higher Self or

631
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,960
the over soul or whatever you what name you want

632
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,719
to give it. And then the rays coming through is

633
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,000
the or the spirit, and the rays coming through is

634
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:35,760
the soul. But the actual manifestation in the physical form

635
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,519
is the window that the rays kind of have to

636
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,880
go through to form the sun.

637
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: That the oh, the window. The window is the the

638
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,079
archetypal idea of human beings, and that craates the form

639
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,960
of the light of the spirit. Let's go to light.

640
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,719
So the sun, sun has the light, it comes through

641
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,840
the window. It's the same light. It's just taken on

642
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,559
a formation. Now, but when the sun hits the floor, now,

643
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,559
well that's the personality and what happens. If this personality

644
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,360
is dark and heavy, it's not going to reflect much light.

645
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,280
If this person alley off the floor is white, it's

646
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,159
going to reflect a lot of light. These high masters,

647
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:19,079
they're like a crystal caremer. That's the difference in personalities.

648
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the masters. What do the masters do?

649
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,239
Because I'm fascinated with the ascended masters, the ideas of

650
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,920
the ascended masters and all of the you know Jesus, Buddha,

651
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Yogananda and men Saint Germaine and so on that these

652
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,920
masters who walked are what is happening to these masters,

653
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,639
even you know, living ones are recent ones like your

654
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,360
teacher Yoga Nanda's another recent master that walked the earth.

655
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,400
What is it about their energy, their vibration, their frequency

656
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,800
that is helping waken so many souls around them, by

657
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,440
their message or by themselves just being in the room

658
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:00,480
with them. Mm hmm.

659
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:03,199
Speaker 2: Well they're they're the ones who have touched on the

660
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,760
truth that they're a child of God too, right, So

661
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,800
they are on fire. So when you get close to

662
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,920
those guys, they caught catch you on fire. They started

663
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,719
firing you, or they enhance the fire that's already in you.

664
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,960
That's what I feel about it. When you're around somebody,

665
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,760
they just you know, it upflists you. They say, right, well,

666
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,800
what so the ones.

667
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:30,679
Speaker 1: So they're lighter fluid. Yeah, it's like a form of

668
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,679
the form of something to either start the fire or

669
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,920
enhance the fire that's already inside of you and essentially

670
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,000
awaken you more. But on a and I hate to

671
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,960
use the word technical, but on a technical level, it's

672
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,360
we're all frequency, we're all vibration. That's the nature of

673
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,440
the universe is frequency and vibration. So, but their frequency

674
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,800
is at a higher pitch than most walking the planet.

675
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,000
So by either being in their presence if you're lucky

676
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,719
enough to be in their presence, or by hearing their

677
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,760
voice or even the vibrations of their teachings in a

678
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,159
book that holds vibration as well. I mean, anyone who's

679
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:11,079
ever picked up Autobiography of a Yogi and reads it

680
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,559
for the first time, it's like, it's like you're getting

681
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,280
slammed in the face so much. Though, though when I

682
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,960
first read it, I put it away. I was like, no, no, no, no,

683
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,400
no no no, I can't like, I'm not ready. I'm

684
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,679
not ready yet. It took me to my thirties before

685
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,039
I can actually read it. So does that make sense

686
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:26,199
to you?

687
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? But see, now you're talking about something very important

688
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,360
called a tunement. So when you start to listen to them,

689
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,239
you start to feel a tunement. So what's a tunement. Well,

690
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,679
if you take a piano and a harp and put

691
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,719
it next to each other in the room, and they're

692
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,079
both attuned, and you strike to note one note on

693
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,079
that piano, that same note on the harp will resonate

694
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,119
because there's a vibration coming off from to the other one.

695
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,599
That's like a master and a personality, and some of

696
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:53,599
are a seeker, and.

697
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:56,639
Speaker 1: They're both different. The harp sounds different than the piano,

698
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,760
but the note is the same.

699
00:37:58,039 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the vibration is the same.

700
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, now you were also talking about worlds and

701
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,719
realms and things like that. There's a term you've spoken about,

702
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,800
the psycho psychonetics.

703
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,159
Speaker 2: Psychonoetics.

704
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,039
Speaker 1: We call it this.

705
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,159
Speaker 2: It's really one thing, but it has two different states

706
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,000
and you move through it. When it's people call it

707
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,440
the heaven worlds. You know, Christ said there were seven heavens.

708
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,119
Well where are they? Well, Earth is the first, the

709
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:30,000
psychical is the second, and Hindus call it astral. Same

710
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:33,920
thing Hindus call what they call them the mental we

711
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,760
call no edical because no eedical nos is from the

712
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,880
Greek and it means mind. And then they have the

713
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,480
higher causal. So it's the same exact story. So what

714
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,599
is it? Co Lombardo's right, so these are different realms?

715
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are these realms? And how do you

716
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:54,599
can you travel to them?

717
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: Well, again, it's by attunement and picking up the vibration

718
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:05,079
eventually expilot one mint. But people think of where are they, Well,

719
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:09,679
they're right here, They're right exactly where you are, and

720
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,679
they've been just a higher vibration and it's like the same.

721
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,840
We'll go back to some vibrations experience. If you play

722
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,280
seven notes on a scale on an octagon on a piano,

723
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,079
and then you jump to the higher scale above it,

724
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,760
it's the same notes, it's just vibrating in a higher frequency.

725
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,480
So these three worlds of existence are right here, vibrating

726
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,280
at a higher level. And some people clairvoyance can kind

727
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,440
of see through that veil between the two worlds, but

728
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,280
it's because it's at a different rate. I mean, you're

729
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,760
moving your hand through a psychical world, but nothing is

730
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,960
substructing you. Likewise, if you were in your psychical body,

731
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,360
you could move your hand through terial things. I've had

732
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,639
that experience where I've walked through material walls because i

733
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,679
was in my higher body. I wasn't in a material body.

734
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

735
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:07,719
and now back to the show.

736
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: And once once you start to have that experience, you

737
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,960
start to realize, well, none of this is as real

738
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,920
we thought it was.

739
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:21,199
Speaker 1: So so then okay, I'm trying to wrap my head.

740
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480
I love these kind of conversations because it starts making

741
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:25,719
me Really, when my head starts to hurt, this is

742
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,760
a good thing. This is a good thing. So what

743
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,920
is the difference then, Because from my I've had experiences

744
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,400
where I've sat down and I've done astral travel I've done.

745
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,519
I've not out of body experiences yet. I haven't gotten

746
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,039
to that place yet, but I've done astral travel within

747
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:44,920
my own meditations, things that have happened to me, and

748
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,480
my meditations where visions and other information comes in that

749
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,599
there's just no way I made it up, just no

750
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,800
way I made it up. But where I find a problem,

751
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,559
where I find a challenge, And I think this is

752
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,400
where most people find challenges with this kind of topic,

753
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,079
is that you don't know what you're imagining versus what's

754
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,440
coming through. So I've been guided to my spirit counsel

755
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,079
and walk through and I'm like, is this happening? Am

756
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:14,440
I making all of this up? But the things that

757
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:18,320
are coming through I wouldn't say, or I wouldn't do,

758
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,679
or I wouldn't even begin to imagine these things. So

759
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,400
that's how I'm starting to differentiate between things I'm making

760
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,280
up in my own imagination and things that are actual experiences.

761
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,800
Do you know what I'm talking about? And how and

762
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,119
how do you make it? How do you tell the

763
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,039
difference between the two?

764
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's for sure that's happening because we

765
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,760
have this egoism that's kind of tricking us all the time.

766
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,280
It's trying to trick us all the time. So is

767
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,679
that real or is that not real? Sometimes it tricks

768
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,079
you into thinking something that wasn't real Israel, And sometimes

769
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,880
it takes you into thinking something wasn't real it was real.

770
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,480
So for me, it's a vibration. It's how it resonates

771
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,280
in me. It's almost like hand in glove. It fits

772
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,679
the other one. Oh maybe maybe, but the other one.

773
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,239
When I have the experience, it just rock solid.

774
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: So you just you just understand, you just like this

775
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:13,320
is real.

776
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,119
Speaker 2: It's like you know, it's like I was trying to

777
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,599
talk about my parents not knowing it, but I knew it,

778
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,519
so they are Their doubt did you know? Didn't sway me.

779
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: There are moments in my in my meditations that I've

780
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,079
had those moments that I'm like, this is absolutely one

781
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,519
something outside of me. It's a mystical experience as opposed

782
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,480
to something in your imagination, because it just takes a

783
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:41,239
hold of you in a way that you can't really explain.

784
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:42,679
Is that right?

785
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

786
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: You just I mean because you can you can explain

787
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:49,239
away like oh, I'm master traveling, I'm going through a wormhole.

788
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,400
I'm going through another reality, another timeline, or I'm going

789
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,079
to visit the future, the past, or something along those lines.

790
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,639
You can kind of intellectually wrap your head around it.

791
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,320
But when you have a vision internally, when you're meditating

792
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,800
or something, and you are taking hold of it, and

793
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,599
the feeling your body gets and everything is so powerful

794
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,559
that you're just like, what just happened to me? Like

795
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,000
it's it's a thing that it's happened to me only

796
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:15,920
a handful of times, but those times have been so

797
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,079
profound to me that I can give you details of

798
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,840
every instance of what happened in each of those things,

799
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,960
wherein the other stuff it's kind of dream almost dreamlike.

800
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:26,559
It kind of comes in and comes out. Does that

801
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:27,039
make sense.

802
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little ephemeral. It's just not solid, But yeah,

803
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:32,960
trust those feelings that you have.

804
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: You've studied so many different walks of spirituality and ideas

805
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,199
of it. There's a concept that suffering is necessary for awakening.

806
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,280
Is that an illusion of the lower self? Or is

807
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,639
that true that there has to be a certain amount

808
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,000
of suffering to awaken?

809
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,519
Speaker 2: I think it's true. I think it is true. But

810
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,480
you know, because we got to wake up we're in

811
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,880
this dream. It's like somebody's slapping in the face. Wake up,

812
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,599
snap out of it. You know, life does that to you,

813
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,960
especially when you get stuck right. Something will come along

814
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:09,239
and it'll smack you and shake you and you start

815
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,440
to well, what was that? Why am I doing that?

816
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:14,480
So suffering really serves to help wake up the person

817
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:19,360
if and only if they respond to it correctly, and

818
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,920
if they all poor me, Oh, I'm a victim again.

819
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,519
That's they lose right that one.

820
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have to go through it again. When

821
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,599
you're talking about that, it brought to my attention or

822
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,800
brought to my memory The Matrix, one of my favorite

823
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,280
films of all time. And when you are leaving the

824
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Matrix world, when Neo you say, I'm assuming you've seen

825
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,360
the Matrix. Oh of course, okay, okay. So when Neo

826
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:48,119
is leaving the Matrix and he's taken the blue pill,

827
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,679
and he's taken it, it's a blue pill. I think

828
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:51,960
I forgot which one it is. I think it's a

829
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,280
blue or the red pill, one of the two. I

830
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,960
thought it might he would take the red pill, you exactly.

831
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,079
I confuse it too. So he takes the red pill,

832
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,719
and now he's leaving. Well, before then there was suffering,

833
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,440
but it was a different kind of suffering. He was

834
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,039
just kind of like not going anywhere in life. He

835
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,559
was a hacker on the side, all this kind of stuff.

836
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,039
But once he takes that pill, it's nothing but suffering.

837
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,320
I mean, it's like suffering to get out of the matrix,

838
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,280
suffering to literally be pulled out of the those things

839
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,239
coming out of his mouth, and he's taken and he's

840
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,599
thrown in and he's eating mush, you know, mush. He's

841
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,639
dressed horribly, it's cold. It's nothing but suffering. In the

842
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,519
real world. When he awakens to what the reality and

843
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:36,159
the truth is, it's all pure suffering until he learns

844
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,920
to transcend it, and then he becomes an awakened one.

845
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:45,519
He becomes a master eventually, where he can then control

846
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,000
both worlds. He can go into the matrix and play

847
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,159
with it and manipulate it, and then he starts to

848
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:51,800
be able to do that in the real world as well.

849
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,159
So it's such a I don't want to go down

850
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,000
a matrix rabbit hole because I could talk about matrix

851
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:58,679
for hours and hours, But does that make sense as

852
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,519
far as what we're talking about.

853
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: I say, sure, and there's some mouse right, it might

854
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,599
have even been Christ but I can't say for sure.

855
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,360
Who said if you knew what your suffering did for you,

856
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,599
you would pray that it never stopped. It's a heavy

857
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:14,039
one in it.

858
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: Ooh that's Oh. That hit me like a ton of bricks. Oh. Man,

859
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,000
that's powerful because if you look at your life, anytime

860
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,400
you've grown, anytime you've made a big step forward, there's

861
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,760
been suffering. There's been challenges, there's been adversity. That's what

862
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,920
tests you. That's what tests your metal. That is what

863
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,000
makes you the samurai sword and not the kitchen knife.

864
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that, or butter knife maybe, but.

865
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,519
Speaker 1: Even better a butter knife. But that's such a part.

866
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: So if just think about this, when you awaken, it's

867
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,239
like opening your eyes and you see a bigger picture,

868
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,199
more higher truth. Right. Well, it may be your spouse

869
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,000
left you, you know, it's like that wakes you up

870
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:04,519
and you start to open your eyes and it's just

871
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,119
like if you were asleep and you just opened your

872
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,719
eyes to bright eye, bright light. Man, that would hurt you.

873
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,599
So there's two ways of going, you know, So like

874
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,159
two ways to progress. One is the path of basically suffering.

875
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,000
It's a trial and error, you know, it's like taking

876
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:21,800
it on the chin all the time. Or the other

877
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,199
one is through reason, where you really introspect on what's happening.

878
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,039
You play it through and you start to see it

879
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,920
and you can avoid some of those sufferings and pitfalls.

880
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,599
It's not mandatory, as it has to do with how

881
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:37,599
attached we are to our illusions and our ignorance.

882
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,199
Speaker 1: That's a really important one. How attached we are to

883
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,920
our illusions? Can you dive in a little bit to that.

884
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: Sure, it's just like I was saying, your wife leaves

885
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,559
your business parts you're teaching. You had this illusion they

886
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,320
were something else, but the world woke you up to

887
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:57,480
the truth. Well that was painful. So in our system,

888
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,360
you know, christis pick up your cross and follow me. Right,

889
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:04,840
what's your cross? Well, your crosses all this karmic baggage

890
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,920
right where you think you're going to follow him too?

891
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:13,039
The crucifixion where the egotism is crucified and you can't

892
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:16,159
expect to be resurrected as this higher self if the

893
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,639
lower sell the at least of the egotism in the

894
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,199
lower cell isn't crucified so eventually, and the pain, how

895
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,119
painful it is. It's exactly how attached you are to

896
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:27,400
your egoism.

897
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,039
Speaker 1: With your journey to find out what was happening to

898
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:35,679
you and all the paths you walked. What do you

899
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,480
believe is the biggest misconception of this term enlightenment because

900
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,039
obviously the Buddha found but so many people think it's

901
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:46,559
a destination that after you get there, then you just

902
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:50,199
walk around like Christ and heal people, and like, what

903
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,199
is the you know, what is the truth of enlightenment?

904
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,079
What's misunderstood about this concept?

905
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,639
Speaker 2: For me, it's not just like this one thing. You

906
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,559
have many enlightenments, because enlightenment really means waking up to

907
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,320
the true nature of reality. And there's no higher enlightenment

908
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,000
than waking up to who you are because you're a

909
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:12,239
child of God. When you realize that, it's a totally

910
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,159
different situation.

911
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: Now. You've also done a lot of work in prisons. Yeah,

912
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,719
and that's really interesting because I mean, the souls that

913
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,400
are in prison a lot of times feel lost, feel hopeless,

914
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,280
literally feel like they're trapped and they can't get out.

915
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:40,599
Some will never get out. How what did your work like,

916
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,800
how did what did you witness during this work that

917
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:46,000
really just like, oh my god, I can't believe that

918
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:47,039
that happened to that soul.

919
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,119
Speaker 2: One day, I had a very interesting experience in Mexico.

920
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,519
They took me to a juvenile delinkment center and the

921
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:56,559
kids were in there, and you know, they didn't they

922
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,440
were just there because they didn't have anything else to do.

923
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,280
There kept your audience, right, And there was this kid

924
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480
in the middle of the second row and he sat

925
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,559
there like this. He had his hat on sideway and

926
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,199
he was just giving me this SKUNKI right, And I

927
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,920
thought this kid, I couldn't read him, but.

928
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,079
Speaker 1: He was just like, I don't know.

929
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: He was really focused on me, but I couldn't quite reading.

930
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,559
And when it was over, he came up to me

931
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,719
and he hugged me and he started taking bracelets he

932
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,360
had made off and give them to me. He followed

933
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,400
me around the rest of the time like a puppy dog.

934
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:32,480
Wrote me notes. It really impacted him. I thought it

935
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,559
wasn't hitting him, but it really really hit him the hardest.

936
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,880
A lot of them got stuff from me, and then

937
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,519
they take me to a big maximum security prisoner with

938
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,480
three hundred people, right, and I'm sitting there talking to them.

939
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

940
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,599
and now back to the show.

941
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Speaker 2: And this guy in the middle of the second row

942
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has a tear drop. He's killed somebody, right, and he's

943
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given me this look like I'm feeling like I don't

944
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know what he's thinking.

945
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Speaker 1: You know.

946
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Speaker 2: But after it was over, he came up and hugged me,

947
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and he started telling me how beneficial it was the

948
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people in the Mexican prisons. These people are open to it.

949
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They've been beat over the head with Catholicism really badly,

950
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and when they hear the fresh story of it, it's

951
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not like that Christ didn't judge anybody it. They didn't

952
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make him feel guilty for things. So when they start

953
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to hear it's something more and something they can relate to,

954
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:33,159
it's just like they come alive. It was like I've

955
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,920
never seen such a response in an audience, more than

956
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even just an American audience who's just not in jail.

957
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Sometimes they were really hidden.

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Speaker 1: That's fascinating because they especially the Mexican jail, because I'm

959
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Latino and I've was raised it was raised Catholic as well,

960
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and this beating of the dogmine, all the stuff that

961
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,679
comes along with Catholicism that they are, they're so like

962
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,840
they're searching, and I think people listening to this conversation

963
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,760
they're searching for truth and they don't want to turn

964
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,880
their their back on Christ because his teachings were so pure,

965
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,840
so much love. From what I've understood from my research,

966
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,039
if you know, most Catholics are not following Christ, They're

967
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following Paul, you know. I mean it's it's Paul, Paul

968
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:31,400
and Mary. No no other Mary, of course, but no

969
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:36,760
Paul and Paul wrote. Between Paul and his disciple, they

970
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wrote half the New Testament, you know, so a lot

971
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of the Dogma, a lot of the fee or all

972
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,239
that stuff was written by Paul. Had nothing to do

973
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,599
with Christ. You know. It's it's fascinating, but it's so

974
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,880
lovely to see that they were they were searching, and

975
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,800
you gave them the door and they walked in through it.

976
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They did have a new relationship with Christ's teachings.

977
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just went just a couple of months ago

978
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to the same prison actually, uh with the juveniles with

979
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my friend who's the researcher truth in Mexico, and he

980
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,159
gave them a lesson that time. And the kids in there,

981
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,480
you know, you think, oh they're juveniles and you don't

982
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,480
look that bad. One of them had raped his and

983
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,639
killed his five year old sister. Another one who killed

984
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his mother. And these guys were loving it. They were

985
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,199
just loving hearing this. And they looked up to my

986
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,599
friend who was given the lesson, and you could see

987
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,679
the admiration like that, Oh, this is my big brother.

988
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,960
He knows the truth, you know, he's helping me. So

989
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,360
even the well, even Saint Paul said the redemption of everything,

990
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,920
So even the worst of the worst will be redeemed.

991
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Speaker 1: That's another conversation for another podcast.

992
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,559
Speaker 2: How long that's going to take? How much suffering?

993
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: Different matter, a different matter, karma, you know, Yeah, soul blueprints.

994
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,320
There's a lot the sole contracts, a lot of things

995
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,239
going on there now. Docolos also described the human being

996
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,599
as a living laboratory of the divine. Can you explain

997
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:04,519
that idea?

998
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: Sure, we are the divine, We're a spark of the God.

999
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,920
You know, Christ said it, all these enlightened masters that

1000
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said we're a child of God. And the part about

1001
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,320
a laboratory is that we use our personality like a

1002
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,920
scientist us as a laboratory. We study things. What makes

1003
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,519
us feel that way? Why do I get angry over this?

1004
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,679
Why do I chase these streams? Why do I chase

1005
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,800
that idea? So we're studying ourselves all the time, but

1006
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,719
we have to use our subconsciousness as like the laboratory.

1007
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Speaker 1: He also talked about thought form creation. Can you explain

1008
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:38,239
what that means?

1009
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 2: Sure, thoughts are things, right, we hear that, but what's

1010
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,960
it really mean. Well, when we create a thought, even

1011
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:48,320
if it's not a strong thought, we are imbuing it

1012
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:55,320
with power, energy, purpose, are intent, and it gives it

1013
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,639
a form. It gives it really a form, a form

1014
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,000
that we can't see with our materialized clairvoyin see it

1015
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:03,599
all the time. I've seen them. Sometimes you don't want

1016
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:06,239
to see them. Some of them are really horrifically horrible.

1017
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:09,239
It's God's mercy that we don't see them. And so

1018
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,760
those things are living, and once they're created, they never die.

1019
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,119
All you can do is take the energy out and

1020
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:17,639
so they don't affect you. That's where habits come from.

1021
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,360
You have this habit of smoking a cigarette twenty times

1022
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,079
a day or something, and you do it every day,

1023
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:24,920
and you do it for years and years and years.

1024
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,119
That's a hard thing to break and the only way

1025
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,000
to break it is take the energy out. You can't

1026
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:32,840
fight against it, You'll never win. So these things are

1027
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,760
real and they affect everybody. We live in a sea

1028
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,320
of these thought forms. We'll call them thought forms dosclose

1029
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,639
and the Sufis call them elementals. So these things that

1030
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:45,920
are living, they follow you from one life to another

1031
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,199
until they're fulfilled or you consciously disenergize them.

1032
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: You have to do them karma. Is this a karma thing?

1033
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, sure, but this is the mechanism, the actual thing

1034
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,880
that takes out you know, you've done something, You've say

1035
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,480
I hate that person. But we live in like a dome, right,

1036
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,119
So anytime you say a hateful word, it echoes and

1037
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:09,199
comes back to you. But now it has a form,

1038
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:14,320
and that form is the shape of your intention. Like

1039
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,960
if it's jealousy, it might be a snake or an animal.

1040
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,519
Speaker 1: Or something, a person or you can be a person.

1041
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that person's face.

1042
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1043
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: And if you have this strong desired wish and thought

1044
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,480
about it, I want a diamond ring. The shape in

1045
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:30,880
the form of it is a diamond ring. That diamond ring.

1046
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:34,119
So they take these forms on, but they don't we

1047
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,079
can't see them, so we think, oh, that's nothing. I

1048
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:36,840
just had a thought.

1049
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: So these ideas. So, let's say alcoholism is something that

1050
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,199
you're fighting with in this lifetime and maybe your parents,

1051
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,199
your father fought it, and before that, your great grandfather

1052
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,880
fought it and so on. That's ancestral almost in the

1053
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,960
line that you decided to come into. So can you

1054
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,079
talk a little bit about that.

1055
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: It's genetic, but it's not material genetic, it's right energetic,

1056
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:02,599
it's a it's we call them family elementals. They travel

1057
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,079
from one generation to another. And it says in the

1058
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:08,159
Bible the sins of the father are transferred down to

1059
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,559
three or four generations. Well, this is how it happens

1060
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,320
through these influences. They're an influence. So now the next kid,

1061
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:18,719
who But the thing is you have to vibrate somewhat

1062
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,719
in harmony for it that influence to hit you. If

1063
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,920
you're pure and you don't think about gambling or drinking

1064
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:27,199
or anything, it's not going to affect that kid. But

1065
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,039
some kid it feels similar vibration that can attach to

1066
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,840
him and stick with him and then drive him, influence

1067
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,719
his behavior. But it's only an influence. It's not a possession,

1068
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,519
but it might as well be his possession because if

1069
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,159
they accept it. But if they do accept it, it's

1070
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:45,920
really hard to get rid of it because you've repeat

1071
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,920
it too many times, and every time you repeat it,

1072
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,960
it get stronger every time you deny it. Like if

1073
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,079
you want to have a cigarette, just don't have the

1074
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:56,000
next cigarette and you'll win, right, Just one cigarette.

1075
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:58,639
Speaker 1: Easier said than done, obviously, of.

1076
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: Course, of course, speak use of the power and the

1077
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,519
drive of this thoughtful it's attached to you and it

1078
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,039
works through the energy aspect of your body.

1079
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,039
Speaker 1: So similarly to you know, generational abuse of people like

1080
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,719
abusing their kids and you know, spanking them and all

1081
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,480
this stuff where I was raised like that, not an

1082
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,880
abusive way, but spanked, where we choose not to do

1083
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,679
that to our children. We're kind of breaking that cycle

1084
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,360
exactly because we've decided no, we're not, We're not doing

1085
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:38,559
that anymore. Trust me. I would like to. I have teenagers.

1086
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:43,599
I would love to. But I think every parent listening

1087
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:47,239
could kind of feel my feeling relate to that one.

1088
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:50,639
But but we choose to do it differently this time,

1089
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,159
and hopefully that breaks the cycle, because there are people

1090
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:58,079
in my generation who are continuing the cycle like that

1091
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,800
for their kids and so on and so forth. So

1092
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,800
I'm fascinated with the idea of these elementals and these

1093
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,559
things that kind of haunt you and follow you from

1094
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:10,920
from life to life. And there's also but there's that's

1095
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,679
we're talking about the negative ones, but there's also positive ones.

1096
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:17,599
Speaker 2: Just like there's positive karma, negative karma. It's what it's

1097
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:20,199
what you're doing. It creates the thing. So if you

1098
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,159
sit down and meditate every day, then you have this

1099
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,760
elemental influencing you to try to still you and center

1100
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,079
you at certain times of a day.

1101
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,159
Speaker 1: Right if if you all of a sudden can play

1102
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:33,199
the piano at seven, you know, beautifully, that's probably something

1103
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:35,119
you've brought in from another life, because that's there's no

1104
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:38,119
possible way to center your you can learn how to play,

1105
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,039
you know, Mozart couldn't have learned how to play what

1106
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:46,239
he played. He brought that in from another life. Now,

1107
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:50,760
I wanted to ask you, do you believe that humanity

1108
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,719
is collectively dreaming reality? And if so, how can how

1109
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,800
can we awaken from it without denying it, which is

1110
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,519
the biggest problem of awakening or finding enlightenment. It's still

1111
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:08,199
being here and living in this world and navigating this world.

1112
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,239
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1113
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,119
and now back to the show.

1114
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Speaker 2: Every human being creates a shell, and it's made up

1115
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,360
of their thoughts, feelings and all that kind of stuff.

1116
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,519
And not one person listening to this podcast sees you

1117
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:33,400
the same way or me the same way. Amen, So

1118
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,599
you know that's that's what's going on. We're all creating

1119
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:39,320
our own reality. How many realities are there, how many

1120
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,920
human beings are there, we all create them. But see,

1121
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,800
here's the thing. We create our reality based on what

1122
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,960
we know. So who we think we are and what

1123
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,519
we think reality is, and how we react to that

1124
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:55,920
reality depends on what we know, and what we know changes.

1125
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,400
Reality changes for us, and we change with it because

1126
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,239
we have new new elementals, new thoughts, new ideas, and

1127
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,440
we learned something mankind sis. It has always been that way,

1128
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,519
and it's that way now. You know. Five hundred years

1129
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:14,559
ago we thought the Earth was the center of the universe.

1130
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,239
Four hundred years ago, we thought the sun was rotating

1131
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:22,840
around the earth, you know, and you're not too long

1132
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,039
ago A couple was one hundred and fifty. We thought

1133
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:27,639
burning witches was a good idea.

1134
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,679
Speaker 1: It was a good thing, you know.

1135
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: So we changed, and so our reality changes.

1136
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:36,599
Speaker 1: Do you how do you see humanity moving forward? I

1137
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:38,400
mean you've been you've been on this planet for a

1138
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,199
few minutes, and you've seen and you've seen things change

1139
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,920
from that seven year old in the late in the

1140
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:50,880
late fifties, where consciousness has gone and information has gone,

1141
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,000
and awareness has gone across humanity. People say, yeah, this

1142
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:57,880
is oh, this is so bad. Life is going that

1143
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,960
the world is in chaos, all the political stuff and

1144
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,000
the financial stuff, and the food and ever in the

1145
01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:06,039
religion and all this stuff seems to be going out

1146
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,440
of whack. But I always look at us like we

1147
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:12,639
are more evolved now, awakenedly, more evolved now than I

1148
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,360
can see us anytime in the last you know, five

1149
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,599
to six thousand years. It doesn't seem like it, But

1150
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,039
we were doing like you just mentioned, we were burning,

1151
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:24,159
which is one hundred and fifty years ago, you know.

1152
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,800
I mean they were still doing barbaric things in the

1153
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:33,400
I think the the last the last guillotine was in

1154
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,800
France was still going on when Star Wars was released,

1155
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,039
is right. I saw that somewhere like they were they

1156
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:42,639
just were about to get rid of it, but they

1157
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:47,719
were still executing you know, death penalty with the guillotine. Wow,

1158
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,719
in the seventies there, and there's so many more examples

1159
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,320
of that through different cultures around the world. But we

1160
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:56,400
have evolved to the point where like maybe we shouldn't

1161
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,880
burn witches. Yeah, you know, maybe maybe women should be

1162
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,239
allowed to vote, you know, maybe you know, these kind

1163
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,679
of things that we've evolved consciously to go. You know what,

1164
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,400
it's not right to do that. We have a long

1165
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:11,559
way to go, trust me.

1166
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:14,599
Speaker 2: But we've come a long way. You've got a good point.

1167
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:17,199
Speaker 1: We've come a long way. So where do you see

1168
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,039
us moving as far as the level of collective awareness

1169
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:23,760
or consciousness going in the next five to ten years,

1170
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,559
Because these last five years have been a hell of

1171
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:26,440
a ride, I know, and.

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Speaker 2: It's about to get even more accelerated, I believe. Tell me, Well,

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when human beings come to the planet, I think of

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the first caveman. These guys are just like animals. All

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they're thinking about are the five esses, Sex, sleep, sustenance, shelter,

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and survival. They're just animals. But what starts to happen

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is they have to start to use the mind and

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develop their consciousness because something's trying to eat them and

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they need to eat something. So both cavemen and cave

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women carried clubs around to fight and to kill thanks

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to eating, and it's slowly, slowly to develop. They developed

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then they move through. So basically what I'm saying is

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there's five levels of consciousness. This whole thing's about. Humanity

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has to go through these five level consciousness to get

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to the end. And the first level that humanity has

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to go to is instincts you consciousness. That's what the

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casement were. They were just living instinctally, but then through

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the experiences they start to wake up more and they

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start to then start to live subconsciously. Human beings, a

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lot of human beings live subconsciously. They go to work,

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they do this, and their life's over and they haven't

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thought about it, you know. So then we move out

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of the subconscious phase into the consciousness, a waking phase,

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and there's many, you know, steps in that phase, and

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eventually we move into the super consciousness phase. That's where

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you can see clearvoyantly, here clear audiently and use the

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mind in a whole different way. And he has many

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levels too. And when we finally get through that stage,

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we reach super conscious self awareness. Now in an awakening phase,

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it's a self consciousness, but it's about the little self.

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But at the end of the thing, when you finally

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reached this final stage in masters have reached it, Doscolos

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had reached it self super conscious awareness. He knew who

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he was. He had super consciousness. He could tell you

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what you said to somebody, not only that day like

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earlier in the day, previous lifetimes. Of course, people couldn't

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prove that one, but during the day he would just

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constantly tell you stuff that made you realize he was

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playing with a lot more cards than anybody else because

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he knew what was going on with you. You know,

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he had meet you for the first time, he had

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mentioned something from your life back into wherever you came from.

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So he had that, and that's where we're all going.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Doscalos would think about today's state

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of the world, politically, spiritually, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, he had a certain phrase, as he used to

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like to say, nothing more stupid. I think he would

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find this what's happening now is just complete and stupid,

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but he knows it's necessary to give us the necessary

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experience to come out of this predicament we're in.

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that humanity has to go

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through the same suffering as the individual does, absolutely sure,

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in order to awaken. And the stuff that we're going

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through these last I mean, it's been a wild ride

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since two thousand, but it seems like twenty twelve was

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a really big pivotal year because of buying calendar and

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that whole thing of switching, and that was the beginning

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of the new era of humanity's consciousness and growing. Twenty sixteen,

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twenty twenty is from twenty twenty on, it's just been

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every year, it just keeps folding on itself, and it

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just keeps growing and getting more intense and more boud.

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Do you see that that's happening in these next five

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to ten years.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think there's no stopping it now. It

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started to awaken, people starting to awaken. It's like a

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snowball and it's oh and this is wrong, and this

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is this has been a lie and all that kind

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of stuff, So it's definitely coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see these videos of one of the biggest

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things that one of my biggest pet peeves that is

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happening in the world right now is America's food system.

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I can't stand what is allowed to be sold to

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human beings here. And the thing that kills me is

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when I'm in Europe, I can eat. I can go

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to McDonald's and eat. Not that I want to, but

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if I have to, if I want to stop and

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01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:35,039
pick up something, I know when I eat a French

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fry over there, it's gonna be a potato. You know

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that if you put that, If you put that French

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fry in a in a bag somewhere for a month,

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it's going to decay, It's gonna smell, and it's gonna

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build mold here. That French fry will be good for

1253
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probably the next five to ten years. It's insane. But

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people are starting to awaken to this. People are starting

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to understand that there's certain things happening our food system

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that's unacceptable anymore. When Europe has figured that out decades ago.

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No GMOs, no corn syrup. You know, I could drink

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a Coca cola not that I should. It's but as

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a tree.

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Speaker 2: But you hear cokes making them with cane sugar.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I wonder why I want to because I

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wonder because no, because people are demanding it and people

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are like, wait a minute, why are why? Why are

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why do we have red number seven? And in Europe

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doesn't like why do we have corn syrup? In Mexico?

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Mexico has sugar. I don't know about you. Like we

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have costcos in La and in Texas where I'm at

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right now, and they sell Mexican coke.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they sell Mexic because people want Mexican coke now

1271
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because it has sugar in it as opposed to GMO

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ridden corn syrup. So it's fair, it's fair. But so

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that's an example. I use that as an example of

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things that are that people are just waking up to.

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And it's getting and it seems to be getting more

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and more people are waking up. More people are starting

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to get angry, and more people are demanding change more.

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And boy, I think we're in for a while to ride,

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like you said, because there's a lot of change that

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needs to happen, and it's change isn't always pretty.

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Speaker 2: It's not change is not always but it's necessary, it's

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absolutely necessary.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go on, So what what gives you

1284
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hope for humanity's future? Because we're talking a little bit

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of people. Okay, tell me.

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Speaker 2: I find I find, you know, I find that there

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are most wonderful things in anybody, virtually almost you know,

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some people are just so annoying you don't want to

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be with them, can't get can't get away from them

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fast enough, and that's because of their elementals are so

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disharmony is to yours, you know?

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Speaker 1: Is that why when you meet? Is that why when

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you meet somebody you're just like, Oh.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly it. It's there because then you mentioned vibration.

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Those elementals make an average tone to Sufi's called a tone.

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It's their vibration, and it's so how to sync with

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yours that you just well, I gotta go, you know.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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And now back to the show. There's a there's a

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person in my family that I that I that exactly

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that happens. That person's never done a thing to me ever,

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and Andy they married into the family. The distant family.

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But when I'm around them, I just I just like

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I gotta get away from them. I'm like, it is

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just visceral in me. I'm like, oh oh oh. And

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again they're not they're not like, you know, doing any

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01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,960
drugs in front of me. They're not even speaking. They're

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just just their presence alone. Just I just can't. I can't.

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I can't do that. And it's it's fascinating. But that's

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the thing that's like, it's their their vibration, their frequencies

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,920
just so far removed from mine that I just can't

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even be around them. It's it's pretty it's pretty fascinating, Daniel.

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Where can people find out more about you and the

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amazing work you're doing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Researchers of Truth dot com is our website and we

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have a just lots of free videos on YouTube through

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you know, hashtag Researchers of Truth. We're starting to put

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someone telegram or TikTok and they think there's some on

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Instagram right now, and we do seminars now. We've just

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been backed by a nonprofit organization from England and they're

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they're funding us and they're helping us develop a school

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so we're building this big school with daskalosis teachings so

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people can go and listen to him talk and obviously

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read the books, but read private lessons that the public

1325
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doesn't have, and really study this stuff deeply like we

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did when he was alive. So we're really looking for

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we're going to launch that next year.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. And finally, if you could whisper

1329
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one message to every soul in humanity right now, what

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would that message be? Wake up?

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Speaker 2: Wake up?

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Speaker 1: As simple as that simple? Uh, Daniel. It has been

1333
01:12:17,119 --> 01:12:18,920
such a pleasure talking to you, my friend. Thank you

1334
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,840
so much for your tireless work of trying to awaken

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this planet and everybody in it. I appreciate you and

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everything you do and my friends, so thank you again.

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Speaker 2: All right, feel the same way about you, my friend,

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and look forward to meeting you maybe someday.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you again. Thank you for spending this sacred

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time with us today. If you feel called to explore

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this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this

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