WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.640 You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:06.080 Tonight's account comes from an individual that had a harrowing 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.800 experience and a GEO tracker on an Oregon logging road 4 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.240 to stay tuned to see what happened when they looked 5 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:18.519 over and saw something right beside them in the woods. 6 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:21.879 Stay with us, all right, Big for Society. We've got 7 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:24.960 the privilege of talking to Darren today. Darren's an individual 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.199 I got connected to in the YouTube comments over on 9 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:33.119 the YouTube channel. He shared about an interesting experience that 10 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:36.479 happened to him out there in Oregon. Asked him to 11 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.119 reach out to me and here we are. So welcome 12 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:40.960 to the show, Darren. How's it going today, sir? 13 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:43.079 We're going pretty good. 14 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.359 Good to hear, good to hear. We were just talking 15 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.520 about it. Sounds like it's pretty nice out there weatherwise. 16 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.880 We are burning up here in Iowa due to the corn. 17 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.119 Maybe some people get that, maybe they don't, but. 18 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:57.799 I think I think we're in fall. I think we're 19 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.240 in perpetual, perpetual spring here. Yeah. 20 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.920 Absolutely, hopefully. It looks like they're starting to get that 21 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.719 Cram fire under control. That's pretty wild stuff for you. 22 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:12.120 Guys out there in east of the Cascades. But Darren, 23 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.480 I'm going to say, feel free to take us back 24 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:21.719 to when this experience happened to you, and you're welcome 25 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:22.680 to walk us through it. 26 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.480 Oh, it was several years ago, actually back in. 27 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:32.719 I remember things events like they happened yesterday, So I 28 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:36.319 forget years. I believe it was either ninety nine or 29 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:42.280 two thousand area. And some friends of mine we were 30 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:47.079 going up in the hills outside of the scap Who's 31 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:53.400 Saint Helen's area here in Oregon up offer Vernonia Highway, 32 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.319 and it's a popular area we used to go to 33 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:56.680 up there. 34 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.560 It's called Bunker Hill. 35 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.840 And anybody knows this area around here, they'll know what 36 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.439 I'm talking about. And I was riding with a friend 37 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:11.280 of mine and his it was like an eighty eight 38 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:16.159 Judeo tracker, those little things just we'll never get stuck. 39 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:22.759 And we're behind a friend of mine, another. 40 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:26.120 Couple of friends of mine there and his UH was 41 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.439 dry his Toyota pickup at the time, and they got 42 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.280 a little bit ahead of us where we got up 43 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:32.479 into the gravel roads. 44 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:35.479 Uh it's up off a road called cater. 45 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.960 And UH it's it's heavily wooded, but there's areas where 46 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:43.879 there's clear cut and stuff duotes. 47 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:45.000 It's logging area up there. 48 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.719 It's gets harvested off and on appropriately. 49 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.560 And uh. 50 00:02:53.000 --> 00:03:00.919 I was looking to my right and just inside the woodline. 51 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.520 All of a sudden, I know this. There's something walking 52 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:10.680 two legged, extremely large, tall, probably in the eight to 53 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:15.639 nine foot tall area, I would say, And it was furry, 54 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:17.240 and at first I was thinking. 55 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:18.919 Is there a bear back there or something? 56 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:24.080 But it's still walking and keeping pace with us. We're 57 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:29.000 just going pretty slow. I mean a little bit, a 58 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.520 little bit faster than a normal human would walk, but 59 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:39.319 not much. And I'm watching it, and I'm watching it, 60 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.360 and all of a sudden, I'm like, is that what 61 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.759 I think it is? And I'm looking at it harder 62 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:51.319 and I could see muscle like flexing. It was close enough. 63 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:55.080 I could see the muscles flexing in the legs, the 64 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:01.039 thighs and the calf area. So that told me right 65 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:03.199 away that it wasn't somebody goofing around in the suit. 66 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.360 And about that time I thought about it, I'm like, 67 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:12.319 wait a minute, this is the driver's see when I'm 68 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.719 seeing And I slowly looked to my left at my 69 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:20.399 friend who is driving, and he's looking the same direction 70 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.639 I'm looking with his mouth wide open, and we both 71 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.240 did that, are you. 72 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:28.319 Seeing what I'm seeing? 73 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:33.439 Type a little small conversation real quick, and we both agreed, yes, 74 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:39.439 and we're watching this, and he didn't stop. We just 75 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.879 kept going to see what would happen, because we knew 76 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.519 that there was a line eventually we would hit that 77 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.720 there was clear cut up there, so we're going to 78 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:52.759 see if it would come out in the open. And 79 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.759 sure enough, just as we get basically the creature, the 80 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:03.600 big foot, it was about probably about ten fifteen feet 81 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.360 away from where it would hit the clear cut and 82 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.480 be out in the open, it turned to its right 83 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.000 and veered off and just melted away into the woods. 84 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.680 And that's when we stopped and we just sat there. 85 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.360 We must have sat in that one spot for about 86 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.120 good five to ten minutes, just looking at each other 87 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.319 and doing the what the heck did? We just you know, 88 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.160 speechless at some point, and we just sat there for 89 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:37.639 a while, and then eventually we collected ourselves and agreed 90 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:39.040 that we saw what we saw. 91 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:40.360 We know what we saw. 92 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:45.920 It was definitely a big foot, and so we just 93 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.240 kept going and caught up with our friends and we 94 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.439 said something to them about it, and they laughed at us, 95 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.879 of course, because they didn't see it. They were probably 96 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:59.639 half mile ahead of us. But uh, anyway, that's about 97 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:05.360 it's about, not just the whole thing, not very big, 98 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.360 not very long, but still big. 99 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:11.519 It's just to me, it's huge. It's such a fascinating 100 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:18.920 account and an interesting time period too. So I'm just 101 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:24.480 gonna ask questions based on what I heard. So it 102 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.920 sounds like that your viewpoint of it was kind of 103 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:32.199 the side profile as it's walking alongside with the vehicle. 104 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:32.839 Is that right? 105 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:37.759 Yeah, it would have just been basically walking alongside of us, 106 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:44.800 except about oh, what would I say, about fifty yards 107 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.959 twenty five yards of it would be open ground, and 108 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.319 then about twenty five more yards would be in the 109 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:54.040 thick of the woods that he was in walking in. 110 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:59.199 Gotcha, how long would you say total you were able 111 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.160 to have this visual. 112 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:04.959 Actually seeing it? 113 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:11.439 It probably went on for about four or five minutes. 114 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.920 Maybe four or five minutes. That's incredible, but. 115 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.240 It was it was a good amount of time. 116 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.279 I mean, it was enough time that you know, we 117 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:22.240 did that exchange of are you seeing what I'm seeing. 118 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.879 We're still moving. I'm looking at it. 119 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.160 I can see, you know, details that are you know, 120 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.680 because I'm going through remindable the details of what would 121 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:36.040 tell me that it's not what I think it is. 122 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:40.199 And I had enough time to verify in my mind 123 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:44.639 that it was what I thought it was, telling me 124 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:45.199 a bigfoot? 125 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.680 What would you say that, you know, looking back on it, 126 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:52.759 the main thing that you experienced that day? What was 127 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.399 it that you're like one hundred percent? What I saw 128 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:59.240 was bigfoot and not just you know, a hermit out 129 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:00.720 in the woods or something like that. 130 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:06.519 The heights, the thickness and being able to those, and 131 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.680 I could see the fur, the color of it, and 132 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:14.639 like I said, I could see muscle flexing when if 133 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.720 it was something or someone in a suitor or wearing 134 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:21.839 a thick jacket or whatever, he wouldn't see muscle, you know, 135 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:25.000 like it would see if he saw if you were 136 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.040 watching a bear in the zoo or something like that 137 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:30.000 playing around, and I can see their muscle. Question, I 138 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.639 could see that because it was it was close enough 139 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:36.360 and right and well it was early morning, but it 140 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:40.279 was daylight, so I had at plenty at night. 141 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:46.000 What was the if you're looking back on in your 142 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.519 mind right now? What was the gate like or how 143 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:50.039 did how did it move? 144 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:51.720 When it was long? 145 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:58.559 Very long gate, very wide stride Like I said, we 146 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.159 were going, we were going going slow, just keep it along. 147 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.159 And we're on a gravel road, so we weren't in 148 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.679 a big hurry. And like I said, we were going, 149 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.799 we were it almost like we were idling along. 150 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.240 But it made me hair faster. And but it was 151 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:17.399 faster than a human would be walking. 152 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.720 The human wouldn't walk that fast, but that gate that 153 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:25.440 he was walking just kept them moving along pretty fast. 154 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.879 Or two legged creature or thing or whatever you want 155 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:30.240 to call it. 156 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:37.879 Absolutely did you have any idea of how how long 157 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:42.919 the gate was? You know, between I guess if you 158 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.080 were able to go back and see footprints, how long 159 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.879 between there would. 160 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:57.960 Be hmm, I'm thinking, uh three foot strides gotcha from 161 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:00.679 two toe to the I canna heal? 162 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:02.879 I think that was where you put it. I'm not good. 163 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:07.480 At figuring out distances like that, but yeah, it'd be 164 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.399 about three three to four foot gate, I mean real, 165 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.320 real long, longer than. 166 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:15.639 A human when it was. 167 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.840 I think how to ask this for a minute? Was 168 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:25.960 there anything that you remembered about how it was putting 169 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:30.360 its feet down as it walked, just. 170 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:39.320 A solid foot plant. H had purpose, it had but uh, 171 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.399 it was very sure about itself. 172 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:45.240 It knew what it was doing, new where it was going. 173 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:47.080 It wasn't hesitating or. 174 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.360 You know, it'd step over small logs and limbs and 175 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:57.840 stuff like that. But yeah, it belonged to where he 176 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.039 was walking, and he knew where he was and he 177 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:00.679 he just what. 178 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:02.879 You're getting and he was doing what he was doing. 179 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:05.720 I was surprised. I never looked at us. That's what 180 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:12.000 I was waiting for. But he just kept just kept 181 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:12.879 cooking the light along. 182 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:15.720 But he was it was enough that he knew that 183 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:17.080 he didn't want to come out in the open. 184 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:19.799 That clear cut. 185 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.799 Absolutely based on what you saw of the way that 186 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:29.320 it was walking forward. If you were able to go 187 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.840 back and look at the orientation of the tracks, how 188 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:34.759 do you think those tracks would look like? 189 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:39.679 Hard? 190 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.919 Hard to say, even if I was to go back 191 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.720 and track him and look at the prints that they're there. 192 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.480 Yeah, I mean sometimes you know, you look at let's say, 193 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.240 you look at some tracks and the feet are, you know, 194 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.720 next to each other. Sometimes they're in a straight line. 195 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.000 It'd be a straight, straight line and you know like 196 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:06.960 a human would walk, you know, straight line and side 197 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:08.039 by side at some. 198 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.519 One point in your in your gate and your stride. 199 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:18.320 Gotcha, did you notice anything about the length of the 200 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.000 arms or the hands as you were watching it? 201 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:27.000 Arms are longer, longer than a human's long hands went 202 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.559 down about just just below what would be the knee, 203 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:36.879 and really swung those arms too. Definitely use them for 204 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:42.519 balance or local motion, stride and everything. Because those arms 205 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:49.799 were swinging. There wasn't a they weren't They weren't loose 206 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.039 like something in a suit or whatever, or something that 207 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:55.320 was too big on them, you know. 208 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.799 Yeah. 209 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:06.200 Anyway, you mentioned a few times that you that was furry. 210 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.960 Did you notice any details about how h if it 211 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:15.799 was long fur or uh, the color of the fur anything. 212 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:20.679 I thought it kept going through patches of where the 213 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.639 light was hitting it, and it was it was backlit 214 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.360 because the sun had just come up and I would 215 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.399 have been looking at an easterly direction, so. 216 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.600 It was brighter on the other side of it. 217 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.120 Well, one did get into areas where the sun would 218 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.399 come on it, so I could see the fur. 219 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.279 It looked like it was brown. 220 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:50.639 Really dark brown, dark dark almost black, and uh, very long. 221 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:57.360 Like like the fur hair that would be on like 222 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:58.120 an elk. 223 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.799 Or maybe like a dog dog type for a bigger dog, 224 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:09.279 not a short haired dog, a bigger dog like a. 225 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:08.639 Husky type for. 226 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:16.159 Okay, so sounds like potentially a few inches long or 227 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:16.879 what would you. 228 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:23.840 Say, yeah, yeah, about. 229 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.440 As it was walking, did it have what would you say? 230 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:29.080 The posture of it was as it was walking alongside 231 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:31.759 the geotracker. 232 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:37.039 Sort of leans forward but louched over a little bit, 233 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:45.279 but all forward lean motion, you know, leaning forward a 234 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:52.120 little bit more than a human would walk, but not 235 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:57.559 much more. It was it was like I said, it 236 00:14:57.639 --> 00:14:59.320 was definitely had it had purpose. 237 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:04.519 It was it was going somewhere something to do. 238 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:11.559 Did it have to did it have to take like 239 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.000 let's say it's walking and there's a tree or sapling 240 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:16.320 in front of it, did it have to like get 241 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:18.440 stuff out of its way? Or is it just bulldozing 242 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:19.320 through stuff? 243 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:21.320 I think there was. 244 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.000 He must have been like a game trail or a 245 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:29.360 big foot trail or whatever, because it wasn't It wasn't 246 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:32.559 tripping or anything, and he wasn't having to really go 247 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:33.879 over much. 248 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:35.399 Foliage or. 249 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.480 Step over many logs and everything that it would have 250 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.559 to step over. It was just a basic raise its 251 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:49.559 foot higher than normal walk. There was never any big 252 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.399 logs or anything I had to hop over or hesitate 253 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:57.039 to go over. So I'm assuming we should have stopped 254 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.679 the one over there and looked at the see if 255 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:01.919 there was a game trail, because it was pretty smooth, 256 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.480 I mean like it was on a trail or almost 257 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:09.559 you know, flat. If it did come across a limb 258 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.440 or something, it would just sort of brush it to 259 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:13.039 one side with its hand. 260 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:27.080 Absolutely having that side view, did you were you able 261 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:31.440 to see any features of the face or maybe any 262 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:35.639 any contours of the face. I guess you wouldn't have 263 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.399 a dead on look, but you would potentially be able 264 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:40.639 to see a side view. 265 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.240 Maybe by memory, but you know, it could have been 266 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.159 added in later on through the years, but it was 267 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.120 the average what you would the pictures or images. We 268 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:58.480 have a bigfoot, the burry, the thick fur all the 269 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.320 way up to about ciber An area, and then it 270 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:05.839 thinned out and there was an area that was a 271 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:10.680 rough skin looking brinkly, hard looking. 272 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:13.440 Well skin. 273 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.240 It wasn't completely the face wasn't completely covered in fur, 274 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:18.920 but almost. 275 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.440 Do you remember if there was a color to the 276 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:25.599 skin that you saw. 277 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:34.440 It was like a canned darker than a human would 278 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:41.720 be canned. Probably about if it was a do you 279 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:47.519 think about race, different racist colors, it would be not 280 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:55.359 the same Native American dark, a little darker than Hispanic, 281 00:17:55.559 --> 00:18:01.519 but not African American looking, not super dark. 282 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:08.480 That makes sense, No, it definitely makes sense. Yeah, that's 283 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:13.279 that's a very very good way to put it. Anything 284 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:17.400 like anything to do with the nose or the eyes 285 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:18.279 or the mouth at all. 286 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:24.279 I could see there was a nose, but barely, you know, 287 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:26.279 it was far enough away that I really couldn't see 288 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.240 that much of a detail, but I could see that 289 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:30.920 in the shape of the face there was a nose, 290 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:38.480 and there was lips, not a mustache or anything like that. 291 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.359 But no, I just it just had a face sort 292 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:49.920 of the cross between a human and a monkey, okay, 293 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.039 like a chimpanzee. 294 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:58.720 Were there parts of it that that made you think 295 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:08.079 more of monkey type features? 296 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.720 Yeah, I mean I definitely knew it wasn't a human 297 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:13.720 face I was seeing. 298 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:20.720 It was definitely some kind of eight or. 299 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.880 Oh whatever you would call it. It's hard to describe 300 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:31.519 not quite human but not quite eight sort of something between. 301 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:38.799 Having that side view for a few minutes, it would 302 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:42.559 be interesting to know this. Did you notice if it 303 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:46.839 had any an ear at all or anything that could 304 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:50.400 be like an opening for an ear. 305 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:53.559 No, I think that would have that's pretty much well 306 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.319 covered by furka, and it wasn't close enough for me 307 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.000 to see it that much that close detail. 308 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:05.079 Absolutely, did you get any feeling as to if it 309 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:07.039 was a male or a female at all? 310 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.039 Definitely, I think it was a male. 311 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:18.880 Was big, it was dick, very muscular, very muscular, and 312 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:23.359 it definitely walked and carried itself like a male would 313 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.160 carry themselves. You know, you know how you can tell 314 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.839 the difference between a male of any species if it's 315 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.599 if it's walking or galloping or trotting, just by their 316 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:36.759 gate and there the way they carry themselves. 317 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:47.000 Sure is thinking about I'm sure you've you've looked at 318 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:51.200 a few representations of bigfoot over the years. Is there 319 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:54.279 anything in the community that comes close to what you 320 00:20:54.359 --> 00:21:00.079 saw that day? 321 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:05.839 Yeah? I do, definitely. When I see pictures and depictions 322 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:10.440 of them, I critique them more because of what I saw, 323 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.599 And I can always say that's like, oh, that's fake 324 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:18.599 I can pick a fake out really really quick, and 325 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.880 the only one that ever come close to it is 326 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.000 have you ever seen the video and our pictures of 327 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.440 that face that's like looking straight at the camera and 328 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.799 you almost don't see it until. 329 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.000 It moves its eyes. 330 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:37.319 I can't remember the name of the guy that supposedly 331 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:38.920 took these videos and pictures. 332 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:40.039 Is he from Canada? 333 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:45.279 Yeah, he's somewhere up here. Is you either watching it 334 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.759 or Canada? The guys from is it? 335 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:49.759 Is it Toddstanding? 336 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:52.559 That sounds familiar? 337 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:58.000 Yeah, it sounds like you are describing one of his 338 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:03.440 more famous videos. If someone has another one, put it 339 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.440 in the comments. I might be thinking of something I 340 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.839 shouldn't be, but just throw it in the comments. If 341 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.279 you have any other ideas of what he could be 342 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:12.079 talking about. 343 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.599 Uh, name sounds very familiar. 344 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:21.920 Yeah, yeah, that that is extremely interesting. Also another way 345 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:27.000 to ask that question is are there things that we usually, 346 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:31.839 you know, the community will put in drawings or et cetera. 347 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:35.000 A bigfoot and you're like, I've seen it. You guys 348 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:35.920 are getting it wrong. 349 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:44.599 It's hard to say exactly, but there's. 350 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:46.079 Just so many small details. Though. 351 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:49.000 Like I said, if I see one you know, one 352 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:53.240 that's supposed to be walking away or walking I can 353 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.880 tell you which ones are fake and which ones aren't. 354 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.640 And there's very few, very very very very few ones that. 355 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:02.240 I would tell you that are real. 356 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:08.720 I mean almost almost everyone to see is I just 357 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:10.119 go that's not real. 358 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:11.599 That's not really. 359 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:16.039 And my friend that was with me, when we're together 360 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:18.640 and we watch things and see things on TVs or 361 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.039 movies or whatever, we both do it at the same time. Oh, 362 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:24.559 that's sake as heck, we can pick them out pretty good. 363 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:25.240 Yeah. 364 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.599 I was actually gonna ask you that is, are there 365 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.279 conversations that still happen with you and this friend where 366 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.400 you talk about what you saw that day? 367 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.480 Oh oh yeah, to this day. 368 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.440 We just we'll be doing things and stuff and something 369 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.480 they it would just come up and it'll just say, yeah, 370 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.599 we saw bigfoot, remember that? Oh yeah, Well, just start 371 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:49.039 talking about it like it just happened, and I just 372 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.640 reassure each other that we we did see what we 373 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.599 saw and that we're not crazy. 374 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:58.039 Immediately after you had that sighting, were you affected emotionally 375 00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:02.759 in any way where the next two days hard in 376 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.039 any way or how what was the emotional journey like 377 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:07.279 that after you had that sight. 378 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:14.759 Actually, as it's like a version of relief, going yeah, 379 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:15.640 they're real. 380 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.160 Yeah, I knew it. I knew it. I knew it 381 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:20.519 because I always believed. 382 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:25.240 And at the time, my mom was still with us, 383 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:29.119 and I was staying with her at the time, and 384 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:37.000 she always wanted to see an alien and believed in midfoot, 385 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.000 and I always wanted to see one. And when I 386 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:41.559 got home, I told her all about it, and she 387 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:47.319 was just a static and I just reassure, yeah, they 388 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:54.480 are real, because mean, both me and Ernie seen it. Yeah, 389 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:59.160 it's emotionally, it's like. 390 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:01.440 Like I said, it's like almost relief. It's like, yeah, yep, 391 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:02.880 for sure. 392 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:12.559 Wow that that is. That's that's a really interesting observation 393 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.920 for sure. How has it affected the rest of your 394 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.039 life knowing that you've actually seen one. Is it something 395 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.079 where you've really got into bigfoot after that or kind 396 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:23.720 of like you know it is what it is. 397 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.960 Yeah, well, yeah, it gave me a familiarity with a 398 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:35.440 big It almost gives me a. 399 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.759 A feeling of kinship with it now. 400 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.839 I feel like it was a gift that it gave 401 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:45.279